From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 23 02:06:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED8C16A4CE; Sun, 23 May 2004 02:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D42543D45; Sun, 23 May 2004 02:06:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.0.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4MFT10s050190; Sat, 22 May 2004 09:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <40AF7052.9000609@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:22:58 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040304 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J.D. Bronson" References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040522092527.00be43e8@cheyenne.wixb.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.2.20040522092527.00be43e8@cheyenne.wixb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: mjacob@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LSI 20320R Raid Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 09:06:09 -0000 J.D. Bronson wrote: > I have asked this and no one replied, but I have more information... > > The card seems very well supported (mpt) but yet when I setup a RAID > MIRROR and it is resyncing - the card DOES tell Freebsd 5.2.1, but the > message is unrecognized: > > ============================================ > Waiting 10 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > mpt0: Unknown event 0xb > mpt0: Unknown event 0xb > > GEOM: create disk da0 dp=0xc7b72050 > ============================================= > > Is there plans to fix this so that the card and the driver can tell the OS > whats going on? > > Thanks. > > > The mpt and amr drivers are largely unmaintained right now as LSI no longer sponsors an engineer to take care of them. I'm not sure what else to say about that other than we would gladly accept a new maintainer. Scott From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 24 18:49:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929A316A4CE; Mon, 24 May 2004 18:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F7A43D46; Mon, 24 May 2004 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@roq.com) Received: from roq.com (unknown [203.100.254.38]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9274C5D8; Tue, 25 May 2004 01:49:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <40B2A61A.5050006@roq.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 11:49:14 +1000 From: Michael Vince User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040520 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maksymilian Wrzesinski References: <32525686.20040518234834@obta.uw.edu.pl> In-Reply-To: <32525686.20040518234834@obta.uw.edu.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: raid backup X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 01:49:59 -0000 Maksymilian Wrzesinski wrote: > hello, > > what would you recommend as good (and cheap) solution for backup raid? > i need two 120gb hard disks connected in a proper mode to the > controller to back up one another. > > what chips on controllers are fast and reliable - and still being > cheaplike silicon image ata controllers? are they supoorted by > freebsd? > > tia, > I have been keeping my eye out for cheap hardware based RAID solutions my self all the addon cards still seem to be either cheap software based? stuff from taiwan or expensive and often slow addon cards that have questionable support for FreeBSD It seems that the the Nforce3 250gb from Nvidia has hardware based raid built into their chipset for motherboards with a lot of top shelf features such as hotswap for SATA and both SATA and IDE RAID that can be combined http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=2009 Quote from anandtech 'Other questions regarded Linux support on nForce3-250Gb. Nvidia emphasizes full support for Linux in their literature for nF3-250. We were assured that nF3-250 features will have drivers available for Linux if they are needed, and that all features will work in Linux. Linux users should be reassured to know that Linux was a significant part of the nVidia presentation - not a thrown-in afterthought as we often see when it comes to Linux.' I am guessing this motherboard chipset would work well as RAID, it shouldn't matter what what OS you run as it is true hardware based RAID, I am assuming with FreeBSD we would miss out of some utils to query the raid as to the status of the HDs but I would hope that FreeBSD would eventually get the same tools as that would be available for Linux The performance should be good as well since they have the benchmarks are there and compare to the intel stuff if you have seen some of benchmarks of some of the 'high performance?' addon raid cards that anadtech have benchmarked over time you will be shocked to see how slow and crappy some of them are! The Nforce3 250gb is for AMD 64 CPUs only but they have also just released the same technology for the Athlon XP series called Nforce2 Ultra 400gb which would make a very cheap and powerful solution. http://www.anandtech.com/chipsets/showdoc.html?i=2051 The latest Intel chipsets don't seem to be to far behind as far as I can tell but they don't offer things like hot swap etc. Still as I said I have just been watching out I am not sure how well this stuff would work on FreeBSD but I am thinking in theory it should be OK. If any one really knows and has tested with them it would be great to hear about it. -- PGP ID: 0x4F163152 From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 24 22:51:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C212416A4CE; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rms04.rommon.net (rms04.rommon.net [212.54.2.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7831A43D49; Mon, 24 May 2004 22:51:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Received: from he.iki.fi (hbb.vuokselantie10.fi [193.64.42.187]) by rms04.rommon.net (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i4P5oU3v037103; Tue, 25 May 2004 08:50:30 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Message-ID: <40B2DEA1.4070909@he.iki.fi> Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:50:25 +0300 From: Petri Helenius User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Vince References: <32525686.20040518234834@obta.uw.edu.pl> <40B2A61A.5050006@roq.com> In-Reply-To: <40B2A61A.5050006@roq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org cc: Maksymilian Wrzesinski Subject: Re: raid backup X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 05:51:37 -0000 Michael Vince wrote: > Maksymilian Wrzesinski wrote: > >> hello, >> >> what would you recommend as good (and cheap) solution for backup raid? >> i need two 120gb hard disks connected in a proper mode to the >> controller to back up one another. > Depends on your definition of "cheap" but 3ware cards work fine with FreeBSD. Pete From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 09:01:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6338516A4CE for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from svaha.com (svaha.com [38.113.6.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039DE43D49 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meconlen@obfuscated.net) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (653260hfc48.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.60.48]) (AUTH: LOGIN meconlen) by svaha.com with esmtp; Thu, 27 May 2004 12:00:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org From: Michael Conlen Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:00:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Subject: nfsd and nfsiod X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:01:20 -0000 I've noticed nfsd.c and nfsiod.c hard code the limit of 20 processes. There's also a kernel tunable in FreeBSD 5 for maxiod IIRC. Is there a reason for this or could they be increased? -- Michael Conlen From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 09:08:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DB516A4CF for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904D943D39 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 09:08:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4RG8YE8059795; Thu, 27 May 2004 11:08:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <40B61280.4010803@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:08:32 -0500 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040520) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Conlen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nfsd and nfsiod X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:08:48 -0000 Michael Conlen wrote: > I've noticed nfsd.c and nfsiod.c hard code the limit of 20 processes. > There's also a kernel tunable in FreeBSD 5 for maxiod IIRC. Is there a > reason for this or could they be increased? I just finished a discussion on this subject on one of the other lists - yes, you can bump it up. I've set mine at 50. freebsd-questions and freebsd-net had the thread on the 21st I think.. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 16:49:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2219016A4CE; Thu, 27 May 2004 16:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antyk.obta.uw.edu.pl (antyk.obta.uw.edu.pl [193.0.78.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F51443D39; Thu, 27 May 2004 16:49:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcson@obta.uw.edu.pl) Received: from ph182.warszawa.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl (ph182.warszawa.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.76.103.182])i4RNkQQC092555; Fri, 28 May 2004 01:46:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mcson@obta.uw.edu.pl) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 01:51:43 +0200 From: Maksymilian Wrzesinski X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.49) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1650099583.20040528015143@obta.uw.edu.pl> To: Michael Vince In-reply-To: <40B2A61A.5050006@roq.com> References: <32525686.20040518234834@obta.uw.edu.pl> <40B2A61A.5050006@roq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:04:30 -0700 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: raid backup X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Maksymilian Wrzesinski List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:49:25 -0000 Witaj Michael, W Twoim liście datowanym 25 maja 2004 (03:49:14) można przeczytać: MV> It seems that the the Nforce3 250gb from Nvidia has hardware based raid MV> built into their chipset for motherboards with a lot of top shelf i have checked some nforce2 ultra400 boards available at shops arround. it appears that those boards, like msi k7n2 Delta-ILSR, are only capable of having raid on SATA interface, because of only one IDE connector and two SATA's. will it support RAID based on one IDE and one SATA drive? -- Pozdrowienia, Maksymilian mailto:mcson@obta.uw.edu.pl From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 17:35:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493BB16A4CE; Thu, 27 May 2004 17:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D631243D39; Thu, 27 May 2004 17:35:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@roq.com) Received: from roq.com (unknown [203.100.254.38]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6234C77C; Fri, 28 May 2004 00:35:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <40B6894F.7010906@roq.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:35:27 +1000 From: Michael Vince User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040520 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maksymilian Wrzesinski References: <32525686.20040518234834@obta.uw.edu.pl> <40B2A61A.5050006@roq.com> <1650099583.20040528015143@obta.uw.edu.pl> In-Reply-To: <1650099583.20040528015143@obta.uw.edu.pl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Subject: Re: raid backup X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 00:35:56 -0000 Maksymilian Wrzesinski wrote: > Witaj Michael, > > W Twoim liście datowanym 25 maja 2004 (03:49:14) można przeczytać: > > MV> It seems that the the Nforce3 250gb from Nvidia has hardware based raid > MV> built into their chipset for motherboards with a lot of top shelf > > i have checked some nforce2 ultra400 boards available at shops > arround. it appears that those boards, like msi k7n2 Delta-ILSR, > are only capable of having raid on SATA interface, because of > only one IDE connector and two SATA's. will it support RAID based on > one IDE and one SATA drive? > I believe the Nforce2 Ultra400 is the older version of the Nforce2 chipset these motherboards would probably have an external taiwan based RAID controller chip on the motherboard, you want the Nforce2 Ultra400-Gb based motherboard which would have RAID based purely from the nforce2 GB chipset. These GB based Nforce chipsets are brand spanking new, I have looked around a bit on the web and I can only see 1 motherboard maker with a motherboard out based on them and thats for the Nforce3 Gb version http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=572 Probably be a few more weeks or maybe a month or 2 before you can buy a motherboard based on this chipset. From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 28 17:24:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A96216A4CE for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 17:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deliver.epitech.net (deliver.epitech.net [163.5.0.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24C5E43D4C for ; Fri, 28 May 2004 17:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from le-hen_j@epita.fr) Received: from epita.fr ([10.42.1.60]) by deliver.epitech.net (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004052718524104666 ; Thu, 27 May 2004 18:52:41 +0200 Received: from rocco (rocco.epita.fr [10.42.14.9]) by epita.fr id i4RGv6v28866 Thu, 27 May 2004 18:57:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:57:05 +0200 From: Jeremie Le Hen To: Eric Anderson Message-ID: <20040527165705.GB11429@rocco.epita.fr> References: <40B61280.4010803@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40B61280.4010803@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org cc: Michael Conlen Subject: Re: nfsd and nfsiod X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 00:24:03 -0000 > I just finished a discussion on this subject on one of the other lists - > yes, you can bump it up. I've set mine at 50. For information: Subject: Max NFSD processes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:55:20 -0500 -- Jeremie LE HEN aka TtZ/TataZ jeremie.le-hen@epita.fr ttz@epita.fr Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 29 03:03:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C86016A4CE; Sat, 29 May 2004 03:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B07043D31; Sat, 29 May 2004 03:03:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@roq.com) Received: from roq.com (CPE-203-51-131-166.vic.bigpond.net.au [203.51.131.166]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2471B4C632; Sat, 29 May 2004 10:03:07 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <40B85FD9.7070607@roq.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 20:03:05 +1000 From: Michael Vince User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040520 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <32525686.20040518234834@obta.uw.edu.pl> <40B2A61A.5050006@roq.com> <1650099583.20040528015143@obta.uw.edu.pl> <40B6894F.7010906@roq.com> In-Reply-To: <40B6894F.7010906@roq.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org cc: Maksymilian Wrzesinski Subject: Re: raid backup X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 10:03:19 -0000 > Maksymilian Wrzesinski wrote: > >> Witaj Michael, >> >> W Twoim liście datowanym 25 maja 2004 (03:49:14) można przeczytać: >> >> MV> It seems that the the Nforce3 250gb from Nvidia has hardware based >> raid MV> built into their chipset for motherboards with a lot of top >> shelf >> i have checked some nforce2 ultra400 boards available at shops >> arround. it appears that those boards, like msi k7n2 Delta-ILSR, >> are only capable of having raid on SATA interface, because of >> only one IDE connector and two SATA's. will it support RAID based on >> one IDE and one SATA drive? >> > > > I believe the Nforce2 Ultra400 is the older version of the Nforce2 > chipset these motherboards would probably have an external taiwan based > RAID controller chip on the motherboard, you want the Nforce2 > Ultra400-Gb based motherboard which would have RAID based purely from > the nforce2 GB chipset. > > These GB based Nforce chipsets are brand spanking new, I have looked > around a bit on the web and I can only see 1 motherboard maker with a > motherboard out based on them and thats for the Nforce3 Gb version > http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=572 > > > Probably be a few more weeks or maybe a month or 2 before you can buy a > motherboard based on this chipset. Looking around on the net and FreeBSD archives it looks like if you want cheap ATA Raid now go with either a Intel motherboard with ICH5 or Promise SATA TX2/TX4 The performance of the Intel ICH5 looks very good with low CPU utilization (well from what benchmarks in running from MS windows suggest) I haven't found any clear documentation on what can and cant be used. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2004-March/006791.html http://www.ambrisko.com/doug/ata/ata_stable_sata_4.patch http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.2.1R/relnotes-i386.html#DISKS http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.2.1R/hardware-i386.html#AEN65 http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.10R/hardware-i386.html#AEN34 From owner-freebsd-performance@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 29 05:21:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F72516A4CE; Sat, 29 May 2004 05:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zvezda.number.ru (inet.zvezda.number.ru [213.247.132.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBAB43D2F; Sat, 29 May 2004 05:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blacksir@number.ru) Received: from inet.park7.number.ru ([212.5.99.220] helo=blacksir) by mail.zvezda.number.ru with smtp (Exim) id 1BU2pI-00053s-CQ; Sat, 29 May 2004 16:20:37 +0400 From: "Vasenin Alexander aka BlackSir" To: "Michael Vince" Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:20:56 +0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 In-Reply-To: <40B85FD9.7070607@roq.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -100.0 (---------------------------------------------------) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "inet.zvezda.number.ru", hasmessageblock similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details.that all cheap solutions is the so-called HostRAID, that are software or semi-software implementations of RAID. So, their "RAID" ability supported only by M$ Window$. Under FreeBSD they work as normal Adaptec on AIC 7899 chip. Take a look at hardware notes on 4.10, for example noone except Promise calls it RAID... Vasenin Alexander aka BlackSir [...] Content analysis details: (-100.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -------------------------------------------------- -100 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 29 May 2004 11:34:04 -0700 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org cc: Maksymilian Wrzesinski Subject: RE: raid backup X-BeenThere: freebsd-performance@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance/tuning List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 12:21:00 -0000 I'm watched nearly same thing yesterday and found, that all cheap solutions is the so-called HostRAID, that are software or semi-software implementations of RAID. So, their "RAID" ability supported only by M$ Window$. Under FreeBSD they work as normal IDE/SCSI/SATA controllers. I've tested yesterday one of them - Adaptec on AIC 7899 chip. Take a look at hardware notes on 4.10, for example "Promise Fasttrak-33, -66, -100, -100 TX2/TX4, -133 TX2/TX2000" - noone except Promise calls it RAID... Vasenin Alexander aka BlackSir > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Michael Vince > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 2:03 PM > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; freebsd-performance@freebsd.org; Maksymilian Wrzesinski > Subject: Re: raid backup > > Looking around on the net and FreeBSD archives it looks like if you want > cheap ATA Raid now go with either a Intel motherboard with ICH5 or > Promise SATA TX2/TX4 > The performance of the Intel ICH5 looks very good with low CPU > utilization (well from what benchmarks in running from MS windows suggest) > I haven't found any clear documentation on what can and cant be used.