From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 28 02:13:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3E316A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:13:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao11.cox.net (lakermmtao11.cox.net [68.230.240.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3A543D4C for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:13:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from overminddl1@cox.net) Received: from OVERMIND ([24.252.210.250]) by lakermmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040628021303.MGDW25349.lakermmtao11.cox.net@OVERMIND> for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:13:03 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c45cb5$715ad270$6301a8c0@OVERMIND> From: "OvermindDL1" To: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:13:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Problem with install FreeBSD on a Micron NetFrame MV5000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:13:06 -0000 My place of work has recently acquired a Micron NetFrame MV5000. It = currently has the scsi card that came with it originally, 7 hard drives, = 1 is hot-swap, 2 are RAID 1, 4 are RAID 5. Windows 2k will load fine on = it, but FreeBSD does not see any drive at all when I run the = installation off of a cd. The fdisk in the sysinstall sees no drives. = A previous message in another list described my exact same problem, but = no resolution was completed. Would anyone have any help on this issue? = The link the the old message is = http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/2004-April/001432.htm= l From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 28 18:33:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A85A16A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:33:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spider.deepcore.dk (cpe.atm2-0-53484.0x50a6c9a6.abnxx9.customer.tele.dk [80.166.201.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897C543D1D for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:33:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Received: from DeepCore.dk ([192.168.0.130]) by spider.deepcore.dk (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5SIX8Vx040908; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:33:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos@DeepCore.dk) Message-ID: <40E06465.9010706@DeepCore.dk> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:33:09 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schmidt?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040329) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Ambrisko References: <200406240201.i5O21H5g048428@ambrisko.com> In-Reply-To: <200406240201.i5O21H5g048428@ambrisko.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-mail-scanned: by DeepCore Virus & Spam killer v1.4 cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: Maxim Sobolev Subject: Re: HostRaid support on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 18:33:20 -0000 Doug Ambrisko wrote: > Søren Schmidt writes: > | Reading the metadata off the disks and using that info to access a RAID > | array is easy and can be had even without docs in a few hours. Writing > | back the metadata in case of failures etc to retain sanity of the array > | is "somewhat" more difficult. Actually I'm working with this currently > | for new formats for ata-raid and its not trivial to get right. > > Of which we've done the Intel 2 drive format read, write deal with > broken mirrors etc. Writing and dealing with broke mirrors was harder > and can lead to breaking the Intel RAID BIOS code :-( > > It's available in our -stable ata SATA patches that have been updated to > 4.10-RELEASE. Cool, I'll take a look at that after I have the Adaptec format done, that would then bring us to 5 different supported formats, oh boy.... -- -Søren From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 14:56:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8719016A4CE for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:56:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from area23.clicktivities.net (igel.clicktivities.net [213.61.250.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDC543D4C for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:56:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from akuehl@area23.clicktivities.net) Received: (from akuehl@localhost) by area23.clicktivities.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i5TEuNb52568; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:56:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from akuehl) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:56:23 +0200 From: Andreas Kuehl To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040629145623.GB51898@clicktivities.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: akuehl@clicktivities.net Subject: Adaptec ASR-2020S in IBM xSeries 345 and 4.9-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:56:29 -0000 --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi It happend to me to install FreeBSD on a group of IBM xSeries 345 machines. Mostly everything is ok, but in two machines is a zero channel raid controler called ServeRAID 6.10. The label on the chip reads "ASR-2020S/128MB - B2U IBM RC RE" As I understand, the ASR-2010S is supported. I do not find a hint for the ASR-2020S. Any hints for me or information I shall provide? Sincerely Andreas --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFA4YMXC7cZ2r3DER8RAjtvAJ9Ysg7hy0A24wnuZ0/b/Y7IOTXMJwCfWHsb 0xBXjHxjOgobNpc1JZxTEto= =Kvz/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm-- From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 18:11:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEEA16A4CE; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:11:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (u46n208.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.46.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA07043D46; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:11:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 729133B841; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:11:44 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718C13B763; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:11:44 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:11:44 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:11:50 -0000 I've always used Seagate or Quantum drives in my servers ... with the recent thought about switching to Dual-Athlon servers, from Intel, and the caveats about both heat and power that I've had, its been recommended switching to Hitachi drives from the usual Seagate ... also, apparently the failure rates are higher on the Seagate's are much higher then the Hitachi ... Since I can't say I've ever had a complaint (other then the U320 firmware fiasco that Seagate did fix), I'm wondering if there is that much of a difference with the Hitachi's to warrant the extra ~$50/drive ... ? The server we are putting together will be a 2U chassis, with 6 U320 drives in it ... either hitachi or seagate ... Thoughts? Opinions? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 18:22:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAD216A4D0; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:22:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from beowulf.devnetinc.com (beowulf.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39FB43D54; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:22:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crome@devnetinc.com) Received: from cromatic (portal.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.227]) by beowulf.devnetinc.com (DEVNET, Inc. Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id 281A82000302; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:32:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jason A. Crome" To: "'Marc G. Fournier'" , Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:22:23 -0500 Organization: DEVNET, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRd/b9AyKoEr0W2RSSH6hvtuTRxwQAB8W0g Message-Id: <20040629173234.281A82000302@beowulf.devnetinc.com> cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:22:12 -0000 I can't imagine a higher failure rate than we've had with Hitachi drives. Of the 15 or so servers we've built for customers using Hitachi drives over the last 2 years, 6 of them came back after about a year of operation with catastrophic drive failures. And unfortunately it wasn't just a bad batch of drives - they were manufactured at entirely different times. Sooooo, I guess give the two options, I'd say Seagate ;-) -------------------------------------------------- Jason A. Crome Senior Software Engineer, DEVNET, Inc. E-Mail: crome@devnetinc.com http://www.devnetinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marc > G. Fournier > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:12 PM > To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org > Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted > > > I've always used Seagate or Quantum drives in my servers ... > with the recent thought about switching to Dual-Athlon > servers, from Intel, and the caveats about both heat and > power that I've had, its been recommended switching to > Hitachi drives from the usual Seagate ... also, apparently > the failure rates are higher on the Seagate's are much higher > then the Hitachi ... > > Since I can't say I've ever had a complaint (other then the > U320 firmware fiasco that Seagate did fix), I'm wondering if > there is that much of a difference with the Hitachi's to > warrant the extra ~$50/drive ... ? > > The server we are putting together will be a 2U chassis, with > 6 U320 drives in it ... either hitachi or seagate ... > > Thoughts? Opinions? > > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services > (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy > ICQ: 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 18:23:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FA516A4CE; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:23:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from isber.ucsb.edu (research.isber.ucsb.edu [128.111.147.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926B243D46; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:23:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from randall@ucsb.edu) Received: from casino.isber.ucsb.edu ([128.111.147.11] helo=casino) by isber.ucsb.edu with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1BfNFa-0006hb-00; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:22:34 -0700 Message-ID: <005d01c45e06$12459020$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> From: "randall ehren" To: "Marc G. Fournier" , References: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:22:44 -0700 Organization: ISBER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Scanner: exiscan *1BfNFa-0006hb-00*oXiyxNZOjZw* (ISBER - Institute for Social, Behavioral, and Economic Research) cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:23:26 -0000 > I've always used Seagate or Quantum drives in my servers ... with the > recent thought about switching to Dual-Athlon servers, from Intel, and the > caveats about both heat and power that I've had, its been recommended > switching to Hitachi drives from the usual Seagate ... also, apparently > the failure rates are higher on the Seagate's are much higher then the > Hitachi ... > > Since I can't say I've ever had a complaint (other then the U320 firmware > fiasco that Seagate did fix), I'm wondering if there is that much of a > difference with the Hitachi's to warrant the extra ~$50/drive ... ? if you've always used seagate and they have always worked, then why switch? we are a 100% seagate shop here, with the exception of when dell decides to use ibm/hitachi drives instead of seagate. those are often the drives that fail and i always make a note to dell requesting a seagate drive. if you're building a custom box, http://www.rackmountpro.com/ sells some nice 2U cases with 6 drives bays and a hot-swap backplane for whatever type of drive you plan to install. -randall -- randall s. ehren :// 805.893.5632 systems administrator :// isber.ucsb.edu institute for social, behavioral, and economic research From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 18:29:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A5A16A4CF for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:29:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cube.gelatinous.com (rdns.106.161.62.64.fre.communitycolo.net [64.62.161.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AED543D39 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:29:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scott@gelatinous.com) Received: (qmail 31952 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2004 18:29:16 -0000 Received: from dsl093-129-198.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO tinny.home.foo) (66.93.129.198)SMTP; 29 Jun 2004 18:29:16 -0000 From: "Scott T. Smith" To: "Jason A. Crome" In-Reply-To: <20040629173234.281A82000302@beowulf.devnetinc.com> References: <20040629173234.281A82000302@beowulf.devnetinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1088533730.12038.49.camel@tinny.home.foo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:28:50 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:29:16 -0000 On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 11:22, Jason A. Crome wrote: > I can't imagine a higher failure rate than we've had with Hitachi drives. > Of the 15 or so servers we've built for customers using Hitachi drives over > the last 2 years, 6 of them came back after about a year of operation with > catastrophic drive failures. And unfortunately it wasn't just a bad batch > of drives - they were manufactured at entirely different times. > > Sooooo, I guess give the two options, I'd say Seagate ;-) Isn't the current Hitachi drive business just IBM's old drive business, which they offloaded a couple years back when they were having the high failure rates of the DeskStar 75? http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/04/0050238 http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002may/gee20020605012041.htm Scott From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 18:30:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9203016A4FE for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:30:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE45043D41 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:30:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from maul.immure.com (adsl-66-136-206-1.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [66.136.206.1])i5TIUAPX192882; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:30:11 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) id i5TIUAnB048818; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:30:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [10.1.132.3]) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i5TIUABu048782; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:30:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5TIUAVF074222; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:30:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@luke.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i5TIU9R6074221; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:30:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:30:09 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Gary Stanley Message-ID: <20040629183009.GD70022@luke.immure.com> References: <408EC2F1.5070300@steelerubber.com> <408EDBD0.8000805@freebsd.org> <6.1.0.6.2.20040429014621.03d3ae28@208.141.46.3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040429014621.03d3ae28@208.141.46.3> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.12.3 on maul.immure.com cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended RAID controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bob Willcox List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:30:18 -0000 On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 01:48:12AM -0400, Gary Stanley wrote: > At 06:16 PM 4/27/2004, Scott Long wrote: > > >AMI/LSI MegaRAID: > > - This hardware used to be well supported, but the vendor no > > longer provides regular updates. I don't know whether a > > management app exists or not, though I doubt that it does. > > There are management apps (they seem to partially work, but I want to test > the advanced functions on a non-production array) I would be happy to help in testing this. I have a non-production array on a system (Dual Athlon MP w/320-1 LSI controller) that I can test on. Bob > > http://people.freebsd.org/~emoore/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-scsi > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-scsi-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Bob Willcox Serocki's Stricture: bob@immure.com Marriage is always a bachelor's last option. Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 18:32:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB6516A4CE for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:32:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130D843D3F for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:32:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from maul.immure.com (adsl-66-136-206-1.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [66.136.206.1])i5TIWKX2136872; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:32:20 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) id i5TIWJCF049073; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:32:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [10.1.132.3]) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i5TIWJO8049037; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:32:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5TIWJDM074290; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:32:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@luke.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i5TIWJnU074289; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:32:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:32:19 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Gary Stanley Message-ID: <20040629183219.GE70022@luke.immure.com> References: <408EC2F1.5070300@steelerubber.com> <408EDBD0.8000805@freebsd.org> <6.1.0.6.2.20040429014621.03d3ae28@208.141.46.3> <20040629183009.GD70022@luke.immure.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040629183009.GD70022@luke.immure.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.12.3 on maul.immure.com cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended RAID controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bob Willcox List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:32:27 -0000 On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 01:30:09PM -0500, Bob Willcox wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 01:48:12AM -0400, Gary Stanley wrote: > > At 06:16 PM 4/27/2004, Scott Long wrote: > > > > >AMI/LSI MegaRAID: > > > - This hardware used to be well supported, but the vendor no > > > longer provides regular updates. I don't know whether a > > > management app exists or not, though I doubt that it does. > > > > There are management apps (they seem to partially work, but I want to test > > the advanced functions on a non-production array) > > I would be happy to help in testing this. I have a non-production array > on a system (Dual Athlon MP w/320-1 LSI controller) that I can test on. I forgot to mention that this system is running a recent 5.2-current. > > Bob > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~emoore/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-scsi > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-scsi-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > Bob Willcox Serocki's Stricture: > bob@immure.com Marriage is always a bachelor's last option. > Austin, TX > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-scsi > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-scsi-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Bob Willcox Serocki's Stricture: bob@immure.com Marriage is always a bachelor's last option. Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 18:36:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E90316A4CE; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:36:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from beowulf.devnetinc.com (beowulf.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2012943D3F; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:36:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crome@devnetinc.com) Received: from cromatic (portal.devnetinc.com [65.204.197.227]) by beowulf.devnetinc.com (DEVNET, Inc. Mail Daemon) with ESMTP id B08D82000301; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:47:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jason A. Crome" To: "'Scott T. Smith'" Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:36:59 -0500 Organization: DEVNET, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-reply-to: <1088533730.12038.49.camel@tinny.home.foo> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcReADJKpbWq62QgSGKYtMj+KIQ6IQAB1hZA Message-Id: <20040629174712.B08D82000301@beowulf.devnetinc.com> cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:36:11 -0000 In a word, yeah. In a few more words, I wish we hadn't found out the hard way about the high failure rates. Has been no end of trouble for us. -------------------------------------------------- Jason A. Crome Senior Software Engineer, DEVNET, Inc. E-Mail: crome@devnetinc.com http://www.devnetinc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of > Scott T. Smith > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:29 PM > To: Jason A. Crome > Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted > > On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 11:22, Jason A. Crome wrote: > > I can't imagine a higher failure rate than we've had with > Hitachi drives. > > Of the 15 or so servers we've built for customers using > Hitachi drives > > over the last 2 years, 6 of them came back after about a year of > > operation with catastrophic drive failures. And unfortunately it > > wasn't just a bad batch of drives - they were manufactured > at entirely different times. > > > > Sooooo, I guess give the two options, I'd say Seagate ;-) > > Isn't the current Hitachi drive business just IBM's old drive > business, which they offloaded a couple years back when they > were having the high failure rates of the DeskStar 75? > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/04/0050238 > > http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2002may/gee20020605012041.htm > > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 18:37:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393C716A4CF for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:37:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from isber.ucsb.edu (research.isber.ucsb.edu [128.111.147.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B53E43D39 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:37:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from randall@ucsb.edu) Received: from casino.isber.ucsb.edu ([128.111.147.11] helo=casino) by isber.ucsb.edu with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1BfNTU-0006qr-00; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:36:56 -0700 Message-ID: <00a501c45e08$175a26f0$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> From: "randall ehren" To: "Bob Willcox" , "Gary Stanley" References: <408EC2F1.5070300@steelerubber.com> <408EDBD0.8000805@freebsd.org><6.1.0.6.2.20040429014621.03d3ae28@208.141.46.3><20040629183009.GD70022@luke.immure.com> <20040629183219.GE70022@luke.immure.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:37:11 -0700 Organization: ISBER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Scanner: exiscan *1BfNTU-0006qr-00*PprDDPVRcrM* (ISBER - Institute for Social, Behavioral, and Economic Research) cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended RAID controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:37:13 -0000 > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~emoore/ on a side note, does anyone know if it's possible to initiate a RAID rebuild using these utilities? they seem to only allow the viewing or status, but not initiate any changes... -randall -- randall s. ehren :// 805.893.5632 systems administrator :// isber.ucsb.edu institute for social, behavioral, and economic research From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 19:03:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C357516A4CE; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:03:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gw.catspoiler.org (217-ip-163.nccn.net [209.79.217.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE1A43D31; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:03:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (mousie.catspoiler.org [192.168.101.2]) by gw.catspoiler.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5TJ353G070809; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200406291903.i5TJ353G070809@gw.catspoiler.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:03:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis To: scrappy@hub.org In-Reply-To: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:03:22 -0000 On 29 Jun, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > I've always used Seagate or Quantum drives in my servers ... with the > recent thought about switching to Dual-Athlon servers, from Intel, and the > caveats about both heat and power that I've had, its been recommended > switching to Hitachi drives from the usual Seagate ... also, apparently > the failure rates are higher on the Seagate's are much higher then the > Hitachi ... > > Since I can't say I've ever had a complaint (other then the U320 firmware > fiasco that Seagate did fix), I'm wondering if there is that much of a > difference with the Hitachi's to warrant the extra ~$50/drive ... ? I don't have any experience with Hitachi (or IBM, except for that 2.5 inch laptop drive in my firewall box). I've always had good luck with Seagate SCSI drives, except for a couple of early failures of bottom of the line Hawks just before that product line was phased out. I was happy with the earlier Hawks, though. There are some drives that draw a lot of power and get hot, like the early Barracudas and more recent bleeding edge drives, but I've always purchased the lower power drives, including the 10K RPM 1" high U160 Cheetah that I bought a few months back that only draws about 10 W, which is quite acceptable. It doesn't have any special cooling requirements. Pretty much all the WD SCSI drives that I've used (purchased by a former employer) have developed bearing problems after a while that make them sound like a dental drill. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 19:06:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0040116A4CE; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:06:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.linkline.com (smtp2.linkline.com [64.30.215.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E244F43D39; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:06:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sclements@linkline.com) Received: from samclementsde (host-66-59-225-129.lcinet.net [66.59.225.129]) by smtp2.linkline.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E65BE; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Samuel Clements" To: "'Marc G. Fournier'" , Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:06:26 -0700 Organization: linkLINE Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2149 Thread-Index: AcReBJxlbbjnH0abSg6VwLpd+OlFSgAB1NAQ Message-Id: <20040629190624.48E65BE@smtp2.linkline.com> cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sclements@linkline.com List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:06:57 -0000 Of the two, I prefer the Seagates, if not for the absolutely hassle free way to get firmware updates. You just call and ask. Hitachi on the other hand, you have to get the serial number and firmware rev of every drive in the target system before they'll even speak to you! -Sam > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > hardware@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:12 AM > To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org > Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted > > > I've always used Seagate or Quantum drives in my servers ... with the > recent thought about switching to Dual-Athlon servers, from Intel, and the > caveats about both heat and power that I've had, its been recommended > switching to Hitachi drives from the usual Seagate ... also, apparently > the failure rates are higher on the Seagate's are much higher then the > Hitachi ... > > Since I can't say I've ever had a complaint (other then the U320 firmware > fiasco that Seagate did fix), I'm wondering if there is that much of a > difference with the Hitachi's to warrant the extra ~$50/drive ... ? > > The server we are putting together will be a 2U chassis, with 6 U320 > drives in it ... either hitachi or seagate ... > > Thoughts? Opinions? > > > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services > (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: > 7615664 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 20:05:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3011516A4D0 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:05:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout1-ext.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C4643D31 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:05:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from maul.immure.com (adsl-66-136-206-1.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [66.136.206.1])i5TK4t5t054824; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:04:55 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) id i5TK4sXH056412; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:04:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [10.1.132.3]) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i5TK4sEa056376; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:04:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5TK4sI8075838; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:04:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@luke.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i5TK4sfD075837; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:04:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:04:54 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: randall ehren Message-ID: <20040629200454.GF70022@luke.immure.com> References: <408EC2F1.5070300@steelerubber.com> <20040629183219.GE70022@luke.immure.com> <00a501c45e08$175a26f0$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00a501c45e08$175a26f0$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.12.3 on maul.immure.com cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended RAID controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bob Willcox List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:05:04 -0000 On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 11:37:11AM -0700, randall ehren wrote: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~emoore/ > > on a side note, does anyone know if it's possible to initiate a RAID rebuild > using these utilities? they seem to only allow the viewing or status, but > not initiate any changes... I thougth that the rebuild would be initiated automatically when you plug in the new drive. Is that not so? Bob -- Bob Willcox Serocki's Stricture: bob@immure.com Marriage is always a bachelor's last option. Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 29 23:52:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB2F16A4CE for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:52:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from isber.ucsb.edu (research.isber.ucsb.edu [128.111.147.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BA543D49 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:52:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from randall@ucsb.edu) Received: from casino.isber.ucsb.edu ([128.111.147.11] helo=casino) by isber.ucsb.edu with esmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1BfSOI-0009Vv-00; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:51:54 -0700 Message-ID: <022301c45e34$124700d0$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> From: "randall ehren" To: "Bob Willcox" References: <408EC2F1.5070300@steelerubber.com><20040629183219.GE70022@luke.immure.com><00a501c45e08$175a26f0$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> <20040629200454.GF70022@luke.immure.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:52:01 -0700 Organization: ISBER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Scanner: exiscan *1BfSOI-0009Vv-00*LrfjAjFXqgM* (ISBER - Institute for Social, Behavioral, and Economic Research) cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended RAID controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:52:06 -0000 > > on a side note, does anyone know if it's possible to initiate a RAID rebuild > > using these utilities? they seem to only allow the viewing or status, but > > not initiate any changes... > > I thougth that the rebuild would be initiated automatically when you > plug in the new drive. Is that not so? nope. put a new drive in, can't reboot the machine until this weekend, been like this for about 36 hours now... root@db[~]% ./amrcontrol status 0 ####################################################### ### LSI MEGARAID LOGICAL DRIVE INFORMATION ### ####################################################### ##Logical drives 0 RAID= RAID5 Status= DEGRADED Rebuild Rate= 70 -randall From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 00:18:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937CC16A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:18:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout3-ext.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3294443D3F for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:18:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from maul.immure.com (adsl-66-136-206-1.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [66.136.206.1])i5U0IVPX143232; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:18:32 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) id i5U0IV9j001924; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:18:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [10.1.132.3]) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i5U0IV9O001888; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:18:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5U0IVTc079712; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:18:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@luke.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i5U0IUsN079711; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:18:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:18:30 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: randall ehren Message-ID: <20040630001830.GA79686@luke.immure.com> References: <20040629200454.GF70022@luke.immure.com> <022301c45e34$124700d0$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <022301c45e34$124700d0$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.12.3 on maul.immure.com cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended RAID controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bob Willcox List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:18:43 -0000 On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 04:52:01PM -0700, randall ehren wrote: > > > on a side note, does anyone know if it's possible to initiate a RAID > rebuild > > > using these utilities? they seem to only allow the viewing or status, > but > > > not initiate any changes... > > > > I thougth that the rebuild would be initiated automatically when you > > plug in the new drive. Is that not so? > > nope. put a new drive in, can't reboot the machine until this weekend, been > like this for about 36 hours now... Bummer. Seems like that ought to be automatic. > > root@db[~]% ./amrcontrol status 0 > > ####################################################### > ### LSI MEGARAID LOGICAL DRIVE INFORMATION ### > ####################################################### > > ##Logical drives 0 > RAID= RAID5 > Status= DEGRADED > Rebuild Rate= 70 > > -randall -- Bob Willcox Serocki's Stricture: bob@immure.com Marriage is always a bachelor's last option. Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 00:47:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B373316A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:47:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6B743D2D for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:47:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id i5U0krui020204; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:46:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id i5U0krI4020203; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:46:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:46:53 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Bob Willcox Message-ID: <20040630004653.GA20146@panzer.kdm.org> References: <20040629200454.GF70022@luke.immure.com> <022301c45e34$124700d0$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> <20040630001830.GA79686@luke.immure.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040630001830.GA79686@luke.immure.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: randall ehren Subject: Re: Recommended RAID controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:47:09 -0000 On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 19:18:30 -0500, Bob Willcox wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 04:52:01PM -0700, randall ehren wrote: > > > > on a side note, does anyone know if it's possible to initiate a RAID > > rebuild > > > > using these utilities? they seem to only allow the viewing or status, > > but > > > > not initiate any changes... > > > > > > I thougth that the rebuild would be initiated automatically when you > > > plug in the new drive. Is that not so? > > > > nope. put a new drive in, can't reboot the machine until this weekend, been > > like this for about 36 hours now... > > Bummer. Seems like that ought to be automatic. Well, if you're writing the RAID controller firmware, you'll often want some user intervention prior to treating a newly inserted drive as a spare. What if the user accidentally plugged the drive into the wrong SCSI (or SATA or FC or ATA) bus? What if the user just wanted to treat the new drive as a volume, and put it on the controller so he could access it? What if you have 2 (or more) failed arrays, how do you decide which array gets the spare? You get the idea. You want to ask the user before potentially overwriting his data. There are probably some RAID boxes that do treat newly inserted drives as spares immediately, but you pretty much need some sort of standing policy on what to do with a "foreign" drive in that case. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 00:51:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3C316A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:51:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C45E43D53 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:51:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from maul.immure.com (adsl-66-136-206-1.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [66.136.206.1])i5U0pWX2016664; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:51:32 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) id i5U0pWRt002917; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:51:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (luke.immure.com [10.1.132.3]) by maul.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i5U0pVjX002881; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:51:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from luke.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5U0pVbs080012; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:51:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@luke.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.immure.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i5U0pVwG080011; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:51:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:51:31 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-ID: <20040630005131.GA79967@luke.immure.com> References: <20040629200454.GF70022@luke.immure.com> <022301c45e34$124700d0$0b936f80@net.isber.ucsb.edu> <20040630001830.GA79686@luke.immure.com> <20040630004653.GA20146@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040630004653.GA20146@panzer.kdm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 1.0.12.3 on maul.immure.com cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: randall ehren Subject: Re: Recommended RAID controller X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bob Willcox List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:51:46 -0000 On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 06:46:53PM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 19:18:30 -0500, Bob Willcox wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 04:52:01PM -0700, randall ehren wrote: > > > > > on a side note, does anyone know if it's possible to initiate a RAID > > > rebuild > > > > > using these utilities? they seem to only allow the viewing or status, > > > but > > > > > not initiate any changes... > > > > > > > > I thougth that the rebuild would be initiated automatically when you > > > > plug in the new drive. Is that not so? > > > > > > nope. put a new drive in, can't reboot the machine until this weekend, been > > > like this for about 36 hours now... > > > > Bummer. Seems like that ought to be automatic. > > Well, if you're writing the RAID controller firmware, you'll often want > some user intervention prior to treating a newly inserted drive as a spare. > > What if the user accidentally plugged the drive into the wrong SCSI (or > SATA or FC or ATA) bus? > > What if the user just wanted to treat the new drive as a volume, and put it > on the controller so he could access it? > > What if you have 2 (or more) failed arrays, how do you decide which array > gets the spare? > > You get the idea. You want to ask the user before potentially overwriting > his data. There are probably some RAID boxes that do treat newly inserted > drives as spares immediately, but you pretty much need some sort of > standing policy on what to do with a "foreign" drive in that case. Hmm, all good points. Guess I was thinking about this from the standpoint of simple convenience and overlooking the risks. :-) Bob > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@kdm.org -- Bob Willcox Serocki's Stricture: bob@immure.com Marriage is always a bachelor's last option. Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 04:21:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8E216A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:21:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2FD43D53 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:21:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from karl@akheller.net) Received: from darktower.akheller.net ([68.85.124.105]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20040630042118011001srtte>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:21:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (pbg4.akheller.net [192.168.1.5]) by darktower.akheller.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i5U4LJI07320 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:21:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from karl@akheller.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org From: Karl Heller Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:21:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Subject: Adaptec 2940S76 not recognized X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:21:46 -0000 I have an adaptec 2940/2940U board with a AHA-2940S76 W/Autoterm sticker on the main chip. The bios is one revision behind the latest.. but its a 1995 card. I think it isn't recognized because the vendor ID tags were changed in 1996 if I recall. Can anyone give me some quick pointers on how to modify the aic7xxxx_pci.c files to recognize this card. I'm surprised this hasn't been caught yet. BTW.. this is 4.10-Stable around May 26. Karl "The number of people that can reason well, is much smaller than those that can reason badly. If reasoning were like hauling rocks then several reasoners might be better than one. But reasoning isn't like hauling rocks." - Galileo From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 04:47:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E772616A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:47:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from salvador.pacific.net.sg (salvador.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B012F43D46 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:47:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 28129 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 04:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell2.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.192) by salvador with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 04:47:11 -0000 Received: from pacific.net.sg ([210.24.202.160]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20040630044711.SAQR1183.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@pacific.net.sg>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:47:11 +0800 Message-ID: <40E245C4.6010801@pacific.net.sg> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:47:00 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040409 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:47:25 -0000 Hi, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Since I can't say I've ever had a complaint (other then the U320 > firmware fiasco that Seagate did fix), I'm wondering if there is that > much of a difference with the Hitachi's to warrant the extra ~$50/drive > ... ? As you have heard from the others already, Hitachi is not a good choice. We use Fujitsu sind the mid-eighties without any problems except some early failures. Fujitsu did verz bad IDE drives but their SCSI drives are outstanding good. We also have one customer who took Seagates as Fujitsu drives were out of stock that time and he also has no problems. Erich From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 11:31:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAB916A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:31:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta2.rdslink.ro (mta2.rdslink.ro [193.231.236.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0396D43D4C for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:31:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 6919 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 14:28:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.rdslink.ro) (193.231.236.20) by mta2.rdslink.ro with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 14:28:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 12546 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 11:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (82.76.249.55) by mail.rdslink.ro with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 11:30:56 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1C0190; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:35:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 41548-10; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:35:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id 53CD913; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:35:02 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:35:02 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-Id: <20040630143502.7677cca1@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:31:15 -0000 On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:11:44 -0300 (ADT) "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > I've always used Seagate or Quantum drives in my servers ... with the > recent thought about switching to Dual-Athlon servers, from Intel, and the > caveats about both heat and power that I've had, its been recommended > switching to Hitachi drives from the usual Seagate ... also, apparently > the failure rates are higher on the Seagate's are much higher then the > Hitachi ... > > Since I can't say I've ever had a complaint (other then the U320 firmware > fiasco that Seagate did fix), I'm wondering if there is that much of a > difference with the Hitachi's to warrant the extra ~$50/drive ... ? I can say nothing about Hitachi, but with Seagate's IDEs I've had troubles on 5.x (the last one last night). It's seems to be something about ATA timings; the results are file systems completely messed-up after 1 of 2 reboots; also it depends on firmware revision of the HDD in question and FreeBSD version (e.g. I've used one 40G HDD as my boot disk for a few months on 5.0, but now it ain't working with 5.2.1). But with the SCSI Seagates I've had no problems, always worked well, even in some warm places. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 13:30:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F9016A4CE; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:30:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.distrust.net (mail.distrust.net [69.93.230.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE4343D2D; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:30:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dsze@alumni.uwaterloo.ca) Received: from eeyore.distrust.net (CPE000021e92a64-CM014320019900.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.112.29.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.distrust.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5UDU3aI037840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:30:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dsze@alumni.uwaterloo.ca) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040630092141.02c54ec0@mail.distrust.net> X-Sender: dsze@engmail.uwaterloo.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:30:04 -0400 To: "Marc G. Fournier" From: David Sze In-Reply-To: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.73, clamav-milter version 0.73a on mail.distrust.net X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:30:38 -0000 At 03:11 PM 29/06/2004 -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote this to All: >I've always used Seagate or Quantum drives in my servers ... with the >recent thought about switching to Dual-Athlon servers, from Intel, and the >caveats about both heat and power that I've had, its been recommended >switching to Hitachi drives from the usual Seagate ... also, apparently >the failure rates are higher on the Seagate's are much higher then the >Hitachi ... > >Since I can't say I've ever had a complaint (other then the U320 firmware >fiasco that Seagate did fix), I'm wondering if there is that much of a >difference with the Hitachi's to warrant the extra ~$50/drive ... ? > >The server we are putting together will be a 2U chassis, with 6 U320 >drives in it ... either hitachi or seagate ... If you will be using a motherboard with an LSI Logic chipset (mpt driver under FreeBSD), definitely do _not_ get Hitachi/IBM drives. There's a weird interaction that causes the OS not to boot if there is more than one Hitachi drive attached to an mpt controller. A single drive works fine. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 15:02:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8125F16A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:02:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D5543D41 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:02:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Received: from localhost (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5UF2Aj3006966; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:02:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:02:28 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" To: Karl Heller , freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940S76 not recognized X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:02:30 -0000 > Can anyone give me some quick pointers on how to modify the aic7xxxx_pci.c > files to recognize this card. I'm surprised this hasn't been caught yet. Can you provide the PCI IDs for this controller? "pciconf -l" should give the necessary information. -- Justin From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 15:50:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC75416A4CE; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (mail.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B0543D5A; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:50:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ma@dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (krusty.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.163.1])480D619F09; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:49:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED55CC1BCD; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:03:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08532-04; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:03:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id EA925C1BCB; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:03:27 +0200 (CEST) To: David Sze In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040630092141.02c54ec0@mail.distrust.net> (David Sze's message of "Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:30:04 -0400") References: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> <6.1.2.0.2.20040630092141.02c54ec0@mail.distrust.net> From: Matthias Andree Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:03:27 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at m2a2.dyndns.org cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:50:32 -0000 David Sze writes: > If you will be using a motherboard with an LSI Logic chipset (mpt driver > under FreeBSD), definitely do _not_ get Hitachi/IBM drives. There's more than one LSI chipset (there are at least the sym, mpt and amr cards, sym for 53c8xx and 53c1010, mpt for 53c1020 and 53c1030, AMR for MegaRAID stuff). > There's a weird interaction that causes the OS not to boot if there is > more than one Hitachi drive attached to an mpt controller. A single > drive works fine. That might be a matter of the BIOS in question. -- Matthias Andree Encrypted mail welcome: my GnuPG key ID is 0x052E7D95 (PGP/MIME preferred) From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 1 19:17:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFDD16A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:17:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from e450.mnsi.net (e450.mnsi.net [216.8.137.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610D943D48 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:17:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dts@mnsi.net) Received: from dts (darryl.ADSL.mnsi.net [216.8.139.47]) by e450.mnsi.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i61JGQ47001025 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01c45f9f$dcd5e2a0$0200a8c0@dts> From: "Darryl" To: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:16:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: cdrecord X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 19:17:18 -0000 Ok, I'm not sure where to go with this one so if anyone can point me in = the right direction for this i'd be thankfull. The problem is cdrecord will not see the the writer when -scanbus = switch is used, but the drive does work as a CDrom. After FreeBSD was = installed, I used "make install" for the cdrtools-2.0.3_2 package = (Previous to freeBSD 4.10 installed was Windows 2000. No hardware has = changed since I was able to burn CDs using EZ cd creator) Here is some = information: 4.10-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE #0: Wed Jun 23 15:08:47 ahc0: port 0xb800-0xb8ff mem = 0xd6800000-0xd6800fff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 aic7870: Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=3D7, 16/253 SCBs cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers cd0: cd present [1 x 2048 byte records] prompt# camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass1,da1) at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 (pass2,da2) at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass3,da3) at scbus0 target 6 lun 0 (pass4,cd0) prompt# cdrecord -scanbus cdrecord: warning: low file descriptor limit (93) Cdrecord 2.00.3 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.10) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 = J=F6rg Schilling Using libscg version 'schily-0.7' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'COMPAQPC' 'FIREBALL1080S ' '1Q09' Disk 0,1,0 1) 'QUANTUM ' 'LIGHTNING 540S ' '241E' Disk 0,2,0 2) 'IBM ' 'DCAS-34330 !#' 'S65A' Disk 0,3,0 3) 'IBM ' 'DCAS-34330 !#' 'S69D' Disk 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * The whole kernel config can be found here: = http://www.mnsi.net/~dts/kernel/kernel.txt At this point i'm not sure why the system can find the Ricoh RW drive = and cdrecord can't. I don't know much about configuring the kernel for = such a scsi device, and I don't know much about camcontrol. But I do = think these have something to do with why cdrecord doesn't see it. Any = information at all would help me greatly. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 1 19:29:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C0A16A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:29:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7090643D49 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:29:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id i61JRmui034804; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id i61JRmRa034803; Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 13:27:47 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Darryl Message-ID: <20040701192747.GA34776@panzer.kdm.org> References: <001f01c45f9f$dcd5e2a0$0200a8c0@dts> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001f01c45f9f$dcd5e2a0$0200a8c0@dts> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrecord X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 19:29:18 -0000 [ please wrap your lines at 80 columns ] On Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 15:16:07 -0400, Darryl wrote: > Ok, I'm not sure where to go with this one so if anyone can point me in the right direction for this i'd be thankfull. > The problem is cdrecord will not see the the writer when -scanbus switch is used, but the drive does work as a CDrom. After FreeBSD was installed, I used "make install" for the cdrtools-2.0.3_2 package (Previous to freeBSD 4.10 installed was Windows 2000. No hardware has changed since I was able to burn CDs using EZ cd creator) Here is some information: > > 4.10-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE #0: Wed Jun 23 15:08:47 > > ahc0: port 0xb800-0xb8ff mem 0xd6800000-0xd6800fff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 > aic7870: Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs > > cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device > cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers > cd0: cd present [1 x 2048 byte records] > > prompt# camcontrol devlist > at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) > at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass1,da1) > at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 (pass2,da2) > at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass3,da3) > at scbus0 target 6 lun 0 (pass4,cd0) > > > > prompt# cdrecord -scanbus > cdrecord: warning: low file descriptor limit (93) > Cdrecord 2.00.3 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.10) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 J?rg Schilling > Using libscg version 'schily-0.7' > scsibus0: > 0,0,0 0) 'COMPAQPC' 'FIREBALL1080S ' '1Q09' Disk > 0,1,0 1) 'QUANTUM ' 'LIGHTNING 540S ' '241E' Disk > 0,2,0 2) 'IBM ' 'DCAS-34330 !#' 'S65A' Disk > 0,3,0 3) 'IBM ' 'DCAS-34330 !#' 'S69D' Disk > 0,4,0 4) * > 0,5,0 5) * > 0,6,0 6) * > 0,7,0 7) * > > > The whole kernel config can be found here: http://www.mnsi.net/~dts/kernel/kernel.txt > > > At this point i'm not sure why the system can find the Ricoh RW drive and cdrecord can't. I don't know much about configuring the kernel for such a scsi device, and I don't know much about camcontrol. But I do think these have something to do with why cdrecord doesn't see it. Any information at all would help me greatly. You need to make sure you have a /dev/pass4 device in order for cdrecord to talk to it. Easy ways to check: camcontrol tur cd0 -v ls -la /dev/pass4 If you don't have it, you can make it like this: cd /dev sh MAKEDEV pass5 The '5' is the number of pass devices to make. Hopefully that'll fix your problem. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 2 04:53:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B17D16A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:53:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E813243D1F for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:53:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from karl@akheller.net) Received: from darktower.akheller.net ([68.85.124.105]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20040702045210015007b6gqe>; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 04:52:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (pbg4.akheller.net [192.168.1.5]) by darktower.akheller.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i624qAI12780; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:52:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from karl@akheller.net) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <92FB4A63-CBE3-11D8-893A-000393C77F2E@akheller.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Karl Heller Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:52:09 -0400 To: "Justin T. Gibbs" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940S76 not recognized X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 04:53:56 -0000 Originally this card was showing up as : Jun 30 16:22:18 rns /kernel: pci0: (vendor=0x9004, dev=0x0178) at 9.0 irq 10 However, I'm thinking this was because the bios wasn't enable on the card. After some magic and control-a work the card showed the adaptec bios logo screen (which it hadn't in the past). I thought nothing of this since I have a few others that don't either. However, it is now reported as ahc0: port 0xc800-0xc8ff mem 0xdc00b000-0xdc00bfff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 ahc0@pci0:9:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x81789004 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 This isn't an Ultra SCSI card, even though the board says 2940/2940U the chip is a 7870P. 1. How compatible is the 7880 with the 7870? 2. Is there anyway to probe further and/or hack this to work using the correct chip initialization? Thanks! Karl On Jun 30, 2004, at 11:02 AM, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: >> Can anyone give me some quick pointers on how to modify the >> aic7xxxx_pci.c >> files to recognize this card. I'm surprised this hasn't been caught >> yet. > > Can you provide the PCI IDs for this controller? "pciconf -l" should > give the necessary information. > > -- > Justin > > "The number of people that can reason well, is much smaller than those that can reason badly. If reasoning were like hauling rocks then several reasoners might be better than one. But reasoning isn't like hauling rocks." - Galileo From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 2 14:07:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680A316A4CE; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:07:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.distrust.net (mail.distrust.net [69.93.230.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F2E43D2D; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:07:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dsze@mail.distrust.net) Received: from mail.distrust.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.distrust.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i62E6qO0041863; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:06:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dsze@mail.distrust.net) Received: (from dsze@localhost) by mail.distrust.net (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i62E6ot6041862; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:06:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dsze) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:06:50 -0500 From: David Sze To: Matthias Andree Message-ID: <20040702140650.GA41797@mail.distrust.net> References: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> <6.1.2.0.2.20040630092141.02c54ec0@mail.distrust.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.73, clamav-milter version 0.73a on mail.distrust.net X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:07:35 -0000 On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 06:03:27PM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: > David Sze writes: > > > If you will be using a motherboard with an LSI Logic chipset (mpt driver > > under FreeBSD), definitely do _not_ get Hitachi/IBM drives. > > There's more than one LSI chipset (there are at least the sym, mpt and > amr cards, sym for 53c8xx and 53c1010, mpt for 53c1020 and 53c1030, AMR > for MegaRAID stuff). I can see how my message was ambiguous - I only meant the "mpt" driver (hence the part in brackets), the 53c1030 for sure, don't know about the 53c1020. > > There's a weird interaction that causes the OS not to boot if there is > > more than one Hitachi drive attached to an mpt controller. A single > > drive works fine. > > That might be a matter of the BIOS in question. Perhaps, but consider that there are no problems with more than one of any other brand of drive. Just look at the archives: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-October/004638.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-October/004640.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-October/004689.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2003-October/000770.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-November/004924.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2003-December/000871.html http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2003-August/015092.html Until the "mpt" driver gets an active FreeBSD maintainer, I'd stay away from it in combination with Hitachi/IBM drives. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 2 14:15:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F6916A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:15:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (krusty.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165D243D45 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:15:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ma+fscsi@dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (krusty.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.163.1])E8A34328B4 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:14:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB667C0F18 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:14:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19421-03 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:14:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id D253AC0F17; Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:14:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:14:17 +0200 From: Matthias Andree To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040702141417.GB18830@merlin.emma.line.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org References: <20040629150632.J74139@ganymede.hub.org> <6.1.2.0.2.20040630092141.02c54ec0@mail.distrust.net> <20040702140650.GA41797@mail.distrust.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040702140650.GA41797@mail.distrust.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at m2a2.dyndns.org Subject: Re: Hitachi vs Seagate: Opinions wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:15:26 -0000 On Fri, 02 Jul 2004, David Sze wrote: > > There's more than one LSI chipset (there are at least the sym, mpt and > > amr cards, sym for 53c8xx and 53c1010, mpt for 53c1020 and 53c1030, AMR > > for MegaRAID stuff). > > I can see how my message was ambiguous - I only meant the "mpt" driver (hence > the part in brackets), the 53c1030 for sure, don't know about the 53c1020. It's a bit unfortunate that the LSI stuff is now unmaintained in FreeBSD, I'd considered running FreeBSD on a MegaRAID-based server but given that the megaraid driver is not actually maintained either, that hardware is with Linux currently. > > That might be a matter of the BIOS in question. > > Perhaps, but consider that there are no problems with more than one of any > other brand of drive. Just look at the archives: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-October/004638.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-October/004640.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-October/004689.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2003-October/000770.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2003-November/004924.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2003-December/000871.html > http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2003-August/015092.html > > Until the "mpt" driver gets an active FreeBSD maintainer, I'd stay away from > it in combination with Hitachi/IBM drives. That sounds a bit different from staying away from LSI though :-) -- Matthias Andree Encrypted mail welcome: my GnuPG key ID is 0x052E7D95 (PGP/MIME preferred)