From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 16:45:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B149216A41C for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:45:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B5F43D55 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:45:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout10/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j5QGjISJ009265; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl231-059-251.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.59.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j5QGjGCF028943; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:45:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8A978F23-3424-4BA9-ACFD-08D0CE29AD77@bbuzzed.cx> References: <1119653056.80834.0.camel@cream.xbsd.org> <42BD01DD.7050901@pop.agri.ch> <8A978F23-3424-4BA9-ACFD-08D0CE29AD77@bbuzzed.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:43:55 -0700 To: Nathan Reilly X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ppc Project Page is alive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:45:23 -0000 Nathan, Thanks but mine is not one of these :). I still have ADB [not ADC] :). In fact I tried to plug my usb keyboard into my laptop to use that and it was not properly initialized it seems [the 6.0 SNAP for FreeBSD image was what I used] Dave On Jun 26, 2005, at 2:15 AM, Nathan Reilly wrote: > Dave, > > Just as a note, the current models of the AlBook have a USB > keyboard and trackpad. > > Nathan > > > On 26/06/2005, at 12:40 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > > >> Nice! >> >> I'm planning to try FBSD/ppc on my AlBook 15" today sometime. >> >> Anyone done an ADC keyboard driver yet? >> >> I might take a crack at that if it's not done. It may take me a >> good long while though. >> >> Dave > From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 20:23:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB35516A41C for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:23:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toa@pop.agri.ch) Received: from smtp.messaging.ch (exsmtp01.agrinet.ch [81.221.250.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5C843D1D for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:23:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toa@pop.agri.ch) Received: from [192.168.225.5] ([80.218.0.93]) by smtp.messaging.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:23:02 +0200 Message-ID: <42BF0E9C.7070007@pop.agri.ch> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:22:52 +0200 From: Andreas Tobler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Leimbach References: <1119653056.80834.0.camel@cream.xbsd.org> <42BD01DD.7050901@pop.agri.ch> <8A978F23-3424-4BA9-ACFD-08D0CE29AD77@bbuzzed.cx> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2005 20:23:02.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA024880:01C57A8C] Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ppc Project Page is alive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:23:05 -0000 David Leimbach wrote: > Nathan, > > Thanks but mine is not one of these :). > > I still have ADB [not ADC] :). > > In fact I tried to plug my usb keyboard into my laptop to use that and > it was not > properly initialized it seems [the 6.0 SNAP for FreeBSD image was what > I used] The Albooks have usb kbd, but the internal kbd is handled over adb driver. I have my albook with external USB kbd running, or ssh ;) In the known issue sections it says that you might have to set : OK set hint.pcib.1.skipslot=26 I do not have to set this, but maybe I'm just lucky. Also, I run my book with cvs kernel and cvs src. Did you take the snap from Peter ? If so, there is a little pci issue not included there. An issue which makes my Titanium (the second machine) unusable with external kbd. See http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-src/2005-May/046972.html Andreas From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 20:29:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E920F16A41C for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:29:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dleimbac@VerariSoft.Com) Received: from VerariSoft.Com (mpi.verarisoft.com [207.203.40.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B7543D53 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:29:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dleimbac@VerariSoft.Com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mpi.mpi-softtech.com [207.203.40.130]); by VerariSoft.Com (8.12.8/8.12.8/mpi_1.1) with ESMTP; id j5QKSwtN008515 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 15:29:01 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: David Leimbach Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:27:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Subject: cvsup? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:29:03 -0000 I take it we don't have the m3 to do CVSup on FreeBSD/ppc yet eh? I was gonna take a crack at getting the latest source and working on an ADB keyboard driver. Dave From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 22:14:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B708A16A41C for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:14:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org (xbsd.org [82.233.2.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A62943D48 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:14:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BE511CCB; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:22:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv1.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 62676-07; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:21:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cream.xbsd.org (cream.xbsd.org [192.168.42.6]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B2E11C8E; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:21:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Florent Thoumie To: David Leimbach In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-VIhdetgx0uD7QMg/XuKo" Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:14:50 +0200 Message-Id: <1119824090.27663.2.camel@cream.xbsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xbsd.org Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:14:30 -0000 --=-VIhdetgx0uD7QMg/XuKo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le Dimanche 26 juin 2005 =E0 13:27 -0700, David Leimbach a =E9crit : > I take it we don't have the m3 to do CVSup on FreeBSD/ppc yet eh? >=20 > I was gonna take a crack at getting the latest source and working on =20 > an ADB keyboard driver. Well, you can still use anonymous cvs to get it or (WIP) csup=20 here : http://mu.org/~mux/csup.html. --=20 Florent Thoumie flz@xbsd.org --=-VIhdetgx0uD7QMg/XuKo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCvyjZMxEkbVFH3PQRAvYIAJ9jn1V1z0mlKgtTHle9bqiG9ycCSgCeLilF VHNYxB0LMj9G/juw01lnI6U= =exLW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-VIhdetgx0uD7QMg/XuKo-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 03:33:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066D616A41C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:33:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE6043D1F; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:33:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j5R3XiSn004241; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:33:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:33:43 -0400 To: David Leimbach , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 Cc: Maxime Henrion Subject: Re: cvsup? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:33:47 -0000 At 1:27 PM -0700 6/26/05, David Leimbach wrote: >I take it we don't have the m3 to do CVSup on FreeBSD/ppc yet eh? There is the 'csup' project that Maxime Henrion is working on, as Florent Thoumie has already mentioned. There's the version at: http://mu.org/~mux/csup.tgz but I think there is a more recent version somewhere. I thought it was going into the 'freebsd projects' repository, but I don't see it there. It compiles under freebsd/ppc, but I haven't tried to use it yet. This 'csup' project should be seeing more progress soon, as it is one of the projects which will be worked on with Google's "summer of code". >I was gonna take a crack at getting the latest source and working >on an ADB keyboard driver. The way I'm working on powerpc, I cvsup the freebsd src to a directory on a separate (i386) machine, and then NFS-export that directory to my powerPC machine. That has worked well enough for me, so I haven't looked into other alternatives. I am running on a Mac-mini though, which has a rather slow hard drive (4200 rpm). So in my case, it's probably faster to stick with the NFS-mounted directory... :-) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 07:25:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6177E16A41C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:25:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from regnauld@catpipe.net) Received: from moof.catpipe.net (moof.catpipe.net [195.249.214.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1749443D4C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:25:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from regnauld@catpipe.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9647D1B3BC; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:25:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from moof.catpipe.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moof.catpipe.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59102-04; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vinyl.catpipe.net (vinyl.catpipe.net [195.249.214.189]) by moof.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BAC91B3B4; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:24:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by vinyl.catpipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 8293C3981C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:24:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:24:29 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20050627072428.GD77236@catpipe.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 Organization: catpipe Systems ApS User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at catpipe.net Cc: Maxime Henrion , David Leimbach , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:25:03 -0000 Garance A Drosihn (drosih) writes: > me, so I haven't looked into other alternatives. I am running on > a Mac-mini though, which has a rather slow hard drive (4200 rpm). > So in my case, it's probably faster to stick with the NFS-mounted > directory... :-) Indeed on my G4-450 the disk is running in PIO mode, so NFS is definitely faster... Phil From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 08:19:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4248A16A42C for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:19:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mux@freebsd.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291DF43D49 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:19:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mux@freebsd.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1920) id 025DB5C9CC; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:19:57 +0200 From: Maxime Henrion To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20050627081957.GP14567@elvis.mu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: David Leimbach , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:19:58 -0000 Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 1:27 PM -0700 6/26/05, David Leimbach wrote: > >I take it we don't have the m3 to do CVSup on FreeBSD/ppc yet eh? > > There is the 'csup' project that Maxime Henrion is working on, as > Florent Thoumie has already mentioned. There's the version at: > > http://mu.org/~mux/csup.tgz > > but I think there is a more recent version somewhere. I thought > it was going into the 'freebsd projects' repository, but I don't see > it there. It compiles under freebsd/ppc, but I haven't tried to use > it yet. This 'csup' project should be seeing more progress soon, as > it is one of the projects which will be worked on with Google's > "summer of code". The latest version of the snapshot can be found at : http://mu.org/~mux/csup.html I'd be interested in knowing if it works fine under FreeBSD/ppc. For the CVS repository, I'm still waiting for Peter to setup the csup repository in the FreeBSD projects repository. Cheers, Maxime From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 14:26:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB47E16A41C for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:26:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org (xbsd.org [82.233.2.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AB543D1D for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:26:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FAA11CBB; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:33:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv1.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 71034-02; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:33:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.20.108] (unknown [83.142.147.11]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3314911BF1; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:33:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42C00C76.4000400@xbsd.org> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:25:58 +0200 From: Florent Thoumie User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Tobler References: <1119653056.80834.0.camel@cream.xbsd.org> <42BD01DD.7050901@pop.agri.ch> In-Reply-To: <42BD01DD.7050901@pop.agri.ch> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xbsd.org Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ppc Project Page is alive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:26:07 -0000 Andreas Tobler wrote: > Florent Thoumie wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> I've just updated the page from information gathered either in >> the wiki or in the mailing list archive (after Simon corrected >> some SGML bits). >> >> Feel free to post your comments on what you think should be >> added/removed. It lacks some machines in the Supported >> Hardware part so if you're luckily running FreeBSD on some >> other machines >> just tell. >> >> Thanks for all people who work{,ed} on FreeBSD/ppc, especially >> Peter. >> >> Note: If you're too lazy or simply not interested in SGML, >> just send plain text and I'll do the conversion. >> > > Cool Thanks! > > May we add the following links to the Doc section? > Helpful at least for me to debug low level stuff. > > http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2004.html > http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2023.html > http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2001.html > > And to the known issues section: > > No Altivec support yet. > > Thank you, > > Andreas > > Running fbsd on a al book 1.5GHz. > > albook kernel: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT #3: Mon Jun 20 21:01:33 CEST 2005 > albook kernel: Preloaded elf kernel "/boot/kernel/kernel" at 0x57e000. > albook kernel: Timecounter "decrementer" frequency 18432000 Hz quality 0 > albook kernel: cpu0: Motorola PowerPC 7447A revision 1.1, 752.32 MHz I've added your comments, thanks! -- Florent Thoumie flz@xbsd.org From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 19:04:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0C216A423 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:04:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp3.server.rpi.edu (smtp3.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F56343D49 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:04:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j5RJ4ldh012223; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:04:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050627072428.GD77236@catpipe.net> References: <20050627072428.GD77236@catpipe.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:04:46 -0400 To: Phil Regnauld From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.3 Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: speed of disk I/O on PPC X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:04:50 -0000 At 9:24 AM +0200 6/27/05, Phil Regnauld wrote: >Garance A Drosihn (drosih) writes: >> me, so I haven't looked into other alternatives. I am running on >> a Mac-mini though, which has a rather slow hard drive (4200 rpm). >> So in my case, it's probably faster to stick with the NFS-mounted >> directory... :-) > > Indeed on my G4-450 the disk is running in PIO mode, so NFS > is definitely faster... I just did some buildworld timings on my Mac-mini, which has that really slow hard drive. I tried a buildworld with an NFS-mounted /usr/obj directory, and another with an NFS-mounted /usr/src directory. The NFS directories are coming from a i386 machine with much faster disks. Oddly enough, the buildworld was faster with both src and obj as local directories on the slow hard disk. This was a very simplistic benchmark, and there were some other things going on at the same time. Still, I was surprised that NFS-mounting some directories did not seem to speed anything up. Both local: real=5597.58 user=5157.62 sys= 75.53 NFS obj: real=6543.29 user=5203.52 sys=300.07 NFS src: real=6703.42 user=5564.93 sys= 90.69 -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 20:14:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D64316A41C for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:14:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@blacktabby.org) Received: from mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7366043D53 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:14:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@blacktabby.org) Received: (qmail 22710 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2005 20:14:59 -0000 Received: from dsl081-246-196.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO emmenthaler.blacktabby.org) ([64.81.246.196]) (envelope-sender ) by mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Jun 2005 20:14:59 -0000 Received: by emmenthaler.blacktabby.org (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 61DD33A94; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.198] (roquefort.blacktabby.org [192.168.1.198]) by emmenthaler.blacktabby.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED28A3A93; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:14:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <900a725dbfd1d8931e89366c0574d778@blacktabby.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Kranzel Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:14:55 -0700 To: David Leimbach X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on emmenthaler.blacktabby.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:14:59 -0000 On Jun 26, 2005, at 1:27 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > I take it we don't have the m3 to do CVSup on FreeBSD/ppc yet eh? > > I was gonna take a crack at getting the latest source and working on > an ADB keyboard driver. > > Dave > There's a package for cvsup in the Fink archive (http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/cvsup), and I use it sometimes on my G3 (running MacOS X 10.3.9). I'm not sure how they got it to work, but maybe we could mangle it to work on FreeBSD? -Adam From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 20:59:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD7C16A41C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:59:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34FC43D4C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:59:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j5RKxWqD021178; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:59:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050627081957.GP14567@elvis.mu.org> References: <20050627081957.GP14567@elvis.mu.org> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:59:31 -0400 To: Maxime Henrion From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 Cc: David Leimbach , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:59:34 -0000 At 10:19 AM +0200 6/27/05, Maxime Henrion wrote: > >The latest version of the snapshot can be found at : > >http://mu.org/~mux/csup.html > >I'd be interested in knowing if it works fine under FreeBSD/ppc. I downloaded the latest version, and it compiled without any problems on powerPC, and seems to be working fine. It is relatively slow, but then that was mentioned on the web page. But if you're on a platform where we don't have modula-3 support, then it's much better to have csup as an option, than to have no cvsup-ish option at all! I don't know if csup results in a larger load on the server that it's pointed at. What I did was 'csup' once, pointing at my own cvsup-mirror. I compared that to the src tree I had via other means. I then updated my cvsup-mirror, and then updated both the 'csup' src tree and the 'cvsup' one. The 'csup' src-tree was updated with all the same changes as the 'cvsup' one. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 22:10:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5515416A428 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:10:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mux@freebsd.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287DA43D58 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:10:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mux@freebsd.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1920) id 1ADD05CA3C; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:10:28 +0200 From: Maxime Henrion To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20050627221028.GR14567@elvis.mu.org> References: <20050627081957.GP14567@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: David Leimbach , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:10:28 -0000 Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 10:19 AM +0200 6/27/05, Maxime Henrion wrote: > > > >The latest version of the snapshot can be found at : > > > >http://mu.org/~mux/csup.html > > > >I'd be interested in knowing if it works fine under FreeBSD/ppc. > > I downloaded the latest version, and it compiled without any > problems on powerPC, and seems to be working fine. It is relatively > slow, but then that was mentioned on the web page. But if you're on > a platform where we don't have modula-3 support, then it's much better > to have csup as an option, than to have no cvsup-ish option at all! > > I don't know if csup results in a larger load on the server that > it's pointed at. Yes, csup as it is now should put a much larger load on the server because it can't send revision numbers (those are contained in the status file) and only sends MD5 checksums, so the server has to guess which revision number this MD5 checksum matches. > What I did was 'csup' once, pointing at my own cvsup-mirror. I > compared that to the src tree I had via other means. I then updated > my cvsup-mirror, and then updated both the 'csup' src tree and the > 'cvsup' one. The 'csup' src-tree was updated with all the same > changes as the 'cvsup' one. Great, thanks for doing these tests! Maxime From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 28 00:01:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EB416A41C for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:01:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38AE43D48 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:01:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j5S01RiB016620; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (dsl231-059-251.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.59.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j5S01PtF014709; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:01:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <42BF0E9C.7070007@pop.agri.ch> References: <1119653056.80834.0.camel@cream.xbsd.org> <42BD01DD.7050901@pop.agri.ch> <8A978F23-3424-4BA9-ACFD-08D0CE29AD77@bbuzzed.cx> <42BF0E9C.7070007@pop.agri.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:59:48 -0700 To: Andreas Tobler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/ppc Project Page is alive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:01:33 -0000 On Jun 26, 2005, at 1:22 PM, Andreas Tobler wrote: > David Leimbach wrote: > >> Nathan, >> Thanks but mine is not one of these :). >> I still have ADB [not ADC] :). >> In fact I tried to plug my usb keyboard into my laptop to use >> that and it was not >> properly initialized it seems [the 6.0 SNAP for FreeBSD image was >> what I used] >> > > The Albooks have usb kbd, but the internal kbd is handled over adb > driver. > I have my albook with external USB kbd running, or ssh ;) In the > known issue sections it says that you might have to set : > OK set hint.pcib.1.skipslot=26 That worked for me just fine. The internal keyboard and trackpad are ADB connected. The newer model Albooks are usb through and through. > > I do not have to set this, but maybe I'm just lucky. Also, I run my > book with cvs kernel and cvs src. > I have internal bluetooth and have to use that magic to boot. Also setting: set hw.syscons.disable=1 causes a kernel panic [with an uptime of 1 second!!! :)] > Did you take the snap from Peter ? If so, there is a little pci > issue not included there. An issue which makes my Titanium (the > second machine) unusable with external kbd. See http:// > lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-src/2005-May/046972.html > Didn't see that. I got the 6.0 snapshot referenced from the wiki and my external keyboard works great... but only if I set that pci skipping thingy :) > Andreas > From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 28 00:04:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764F716A435; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:04:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dleimbac@VerariSoft.Com) Received: from VerariSoft.Com (mpi.verarisoft.com [207.203.40.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FECC43D49; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:04:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dleimbac@VerariSoft.Com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mpi.mpi-softtech.com [207.203.40.130]); by VerariSoft.Com (8.12.8/8.12.8/mpi_1.1) with ESMTP; id j5S04NtN014500; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:04:26 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <20050627221028.GR14567@elvis.mu.org> References: <20050627081957.GP14567@elvis.mu.org> <20050627221028.GR14567@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Leimbach Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:02:47 -0700 To: Maxime Henrion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: Garance A Drosihn , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:04:36 -0000 On Jun 27, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Maxime Henrion wrote: > Garance A Drosihn wrote: > >> At 10:19 AM +0200 6/27/05, Maxime Henrion wrote: >> >>> >>> The latest version of the snapshot can be found at : >>> >>> http://mu.org/~mux/csup.html >>> >>> I'd be interested in knowing if it works fine under FreeBSD/ppc. >>> >> >> I downloaded the latest version, and it compiled without any >> problems on powerPC, and seems to be working fine. It is relatively >> slow, but then that was mentioned on the web page. But if you're on >> a platform where we don't have modula-3 support, then it's much >> better >> to have csup as an option, than to have no cvsup-ish option at all! >> >> I don't know if csup results in a larger load on the server that >> it's pointed at. >> > > Yes, csup as it is now should put a much larger load on the server > because it can't send revision numbers (those are contained in the > status file) and only sends MD5 checksums, so the server has to guess > which revision number this MD5 checksum matches. > > >> What I did was 'csup' once, pointing at my own cvsup-mirror. I >> compared that to the src tree I had via other means. I then updated >> my cvsup-mirror, and then updated both the 'csup' src tree and the >> 'cvsup' one. The 'csup' src-tree was updated with all the same >> changes as the 'cvsup' one. >> > > Great, thanks for doing these tests! > > Maxime > Nice I'll hopefully check it out tonight sometime :) Dave From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 29 17:25:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D7816A41C for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:25:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: from jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it [83.149.128.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F1643D1D for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:25:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: by jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 49B7A59CB; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:25:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:25:24 +0200 From: Dario Freni To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050629172524.GA62176@cvs.freesbie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6" Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE (What else? ;) X-Sent-From: cvs.freesbie.org X-GPG-Key: http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: 9C23 3CED 32A4 1E6E 7F83 042F CA68 BBD8 8892 872B User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:25:22 -0000 --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys, I've just installed FreeBSD on an external hard drive. You know, I was too lazy to reformat everything, so I recycled an old 6Gig harddrive thanks to an external box. You can find a mini-guide at: http://tinyurl.com/b7s8u Bye, Dario --=20 Dario Freni (saturnero@freesbie.org) FreeSBIE developer (http://www.freesbie.org) GPG Public key at http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCwtmCymi72IiShysRAu2SAKDlxffO5vaGfP2l0U47/VjEJUPq6wCgkrBO yF2uo4I7LqttWbPzo/MCHWA= =LjxU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 29 17:51:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A2416A41C for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:51:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toa@pop.agri.ch) Received: from smtp.messaging.ch (exsmtp01.agrinet.ch [81.221.250.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A18D43D1F for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:51:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toa@pop.agri.ch) Received: from [192.168.225.5] ([80.218.0.93]) by smtp.messaging.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:18 +0200 Message-ID: <42C2DF8A.2050001@pop.agri.ch> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:51:06 +0200 From: Andreas Tobler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dario Freni References: <20050629172524.GA62176@cvs.freesbie.org> In-Reply-To: <20050629172524.GA62176@cvs.freesbie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2005 17:51:18.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[26D62800:01C57CD3] Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:51:20 -0000 Dario Freni wrote: > Hi guys, I've just installed FreeBSD on an external hard drive. You > know, I was too lazy to reformat everything, so I recycled an old 6Gig > harddrive thanks to an external box. You can find a mini-guide at: > > http://tinyurl.com/b7s8u the short form of /pci@f4000000/firewire/node/sbp-2/disk@0:3 is fw/node/sbp-2/disk@0:3 Andreas From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 22:04:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC3516A41C for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:04:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444F843D48 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:04:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (localhost.onthenet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with ESMTP id ATZ08708; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:03:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from 203.22.124.140 by dommail.onthenet.com.au (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:03:49 +1000 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 08:03:49 +1000 From: Peter Grehan To: Dario Freni , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.7-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: grehan@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:04:13 -0000 >Hi guys, I've just installed FreeBSD on an external hard drive. You >know, I was too lazy to reformat everything, so I recycled an old 6Gig >harddrive thanks to an external box. You can find a mini-guide at: > >http://tinyurl.com/b7s8u Great work Dario ! I'm looking forward to the FreeSBIE/ppc live CD :) later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 22:16:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6F116A41C; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:16:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: from jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it [83.149.128.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6798A43D1D; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:16:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: by jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 276C659DE; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:16:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:16:35 +0200 From: Dario Freni To: Peter Grehan Message-ID: <20050630221635.GA29010@cvs.freesbie.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE (What else? ;) X-Sent-From: cvs.freesbie.org X-GPG-Key: http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: 9C23 3CED 32A4 1E6E 7F83 042F CA68 BBD8 8892 872B User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:16:32 -0000 --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 08:03:49AM +1000, Peter Grehan wrote: > >Hi guys, I've just installed FreeBSD on an external hard drive. You > >know, I was too lazy to reformat everything, so I recycled an old 6Gig > >harddrive thanks to an external box. You can find a mini-guide at: > > > >http://tinyurl.com/b7s8u >=20 > Great work Dario ! I'm looking forward to the FreeSBIE/ppc live CD :) >=20 > later, Today I made my first minimal iso in ppc :) but have no cd-rw to test it. Will buy a couple tomorrow. In the meantime I'm compiling some apps (argh! emacs port doesn't compile). I hope to have a test iso soon. Little update to the article. USB, sadly, works better than FireWire. When booting from FireWire i'm not able to make a buildworld. It exits really at *random* points with quite *random* error codes (96, 120, 223...). Absolutely no problem switching to USB (same box, it's a combo usb/fw external case). Bye, Dario --=20 Dario Freni (saturnero@freesbie.org) FreeSBIE developer (http://www.freesbie.org) GPG Public key at http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCxG9Cymi72IiShysRAkXbAKDwrsWEAeQLkyfS6J7w5tK86gUjKgCcDK4X fH4ARDNlCXk6Man5C4occPE= =y+xI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 22:26:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA2916A41C; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:26:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toa@pop.agri.ch) Received: from smtp.messaging.ch (exsmtp01.agrinet.ch [81.221.250.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2A943D48; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:26:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toa@pop.agri.ch) Received: from [192.168.225.5] ([80.218.0.93]) by smtp.messaging.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:26:22 +0200 Message-ID: <42C47188.5060006@pop.agri.ch> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 00:26:16 +0200 From: Andreas Tobler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dario Freni References: <20050630221635.GA29010@cvs.freesbie.org> In-Reply-To: <20050630221635.GA29010@cvs.freesbie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2005 22:26:22.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEE037E0:01C57DC2] Cc: Peter Grehan , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:26:25 -0000 Hi Dario, Dario Freni wrote: > Today I made my first minimal iso in ppc :) but have no cd-rw to test > it. Will buy a couple tomorrow. In the meantime I'm compiling some > apps (argh! emacs port doesn't compile). I hope to have a test iso > soon. > > Little update to the article. USB, sadly, works better than > FireWire. When booting from FireWire i'm not able to make a > buildworld. It exits really at *random* points with quite *random* > error codes (96, 120, 223...). Absolutely no problem switching to USB > (same box, it's a combo usb/fw external case). How much RAM does your mini have ? I ask because my albook has 1GB and I encountered similar failures, I also boot from fw. I replaced my fw case and before I limited ram to 512MB (hw.physmem=512M) and built world. With current sources. Then I was able to buildworld again with full 1GB. Well, I do not know yet what it was, the current sources or the fw case. Andreas From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 22:33:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D49516A41C; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:33:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: from jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it [83.149.128.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5450843D1F; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:33:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: by jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2773359DE; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:33:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:33:17 +0200 From: Dario Freni To: Andreas Tobler Message-ID: <20050630223317.GA29111@cvs.freesbie.org> References: <20050630221635.GA29010@cvs.freesbie.org> <42C47188.5060006@pop.agri.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42C47188.5060006@pop.agri.ch> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE (What else? ;) X-Sent-From: cvs.freesbie.org X-GPG-Key: http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: 9C23 3CED 32A4 1E6E 7F83 042F CA68 BBD8 8892 872B User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: Peter Grehan , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:33:11 -0000 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 12:26:16AM +0200, Andreas Tobler wrote: > Hi Dario, >=20 > Dario Freni wrote: >=20 > >Today I made my first minimal iso in ppc :) but have no cd-rw to test > >it. Will buy a couple tomorrow. In the meantime I'm compiling some > >apps (argh! emacs port doesn't compile). I hope to have a test iso > >soon. > > > >Little update to the article. USB, sadly, works better than > >FireWire. When booting from FireWire i'm not able to make a > >buildworld. It exits really at *random* points with quite *random* > >error codes (96, 120, 223...). Absolutely no problem switching to USB > >(same box, it's a combo usb/fw external case). >=20 > How much RAM does your mini have ? I ask because my albook has 1GB and I= =20 > encountered similar failures, I also boot from fw. I replaced my fw case= =20 > and before I limited ram to 512MB (hw.physmem=3D512M) and built world.=20 > With current sources. Then I was able to buildworld again with full 1GB.= =20 > Well, I do not know yet what it was, the current sources or the fw case. Well, 1Gb. I was thinking about replacing it with the original 256Mb dimm, but I first tried switching to USB and it worked. Now I've got a fresh current from yesterday, I'll try rebuild everything tomorrow, booting from fw (I don't want to rebuild the world now as I need an already built one for FreeSBIE). Anyway, is USB2 supported? My box is attached directly to the mac mini, but I don't see any ehci output from kernel. Anyway, it's not so slow, I reached 7.0MB/s via scp. --=20 Dario Freni (saturnero@freesbie.org) FreeSBIE developer (http://www.freesbie.org) GPG Public key at http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCxHMsymi72IiShysRAq2fAJ9cI5lw+WW3pWApMLFUj5pt3WMbhQCgz3AW ylyox8jWqFwiD4ZsycABvCk= =6SdD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 22:41:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D9316A41C; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:41:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0998043D1F; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:41:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j5UMfNm6010187; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:41:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:41:22 -0400 To: grehan@freebsd.org, Dario Freni , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:41:25 -0000 At 8:03 AM +1000 7/1/05, Peter Grehan wrote: > > Hi guys, I've just installed FreeBSD on an external hard drive. > > You know, I was too lazy to reformat everything, so I recycled > > an old 6Gig harddrive thanks to an external box. You can find > > a mini-guide at: > > >> http://tinyurl.com/b7s8u > > Great work Dario ! I'm looking forward to the FreeSBIE/ppc > live CD :) Indeed. The more ppc users, the merrier! I also took an external firewire drive, and used Apple's disk utility app to create a bunch of partitions on it. Apparently the utility decides to create an additional tiny partition between each partition that I actually asked it to create, which means I ended up with a lot of partitions. So my list includes: Intended-Use Partition FreeSpace ------------ --------- --------- ?? da0s9 262144 blocks (128MB) MacOS 10.4 da0s10 36647736 blocks (17894MB) ?? da0s11 17408 blocks (8MB) / da0s12 3254152 blocks (1588MB) ?? da0s13 17408 blocks (8MB) /usr da0s14 5749760 blocks (2807MB) ?? da0s15 17408 blocks (8MB) /usr/obj da0s16 6798336 blocks (3319MB) The thing is, I actually have more partitions than that. MacOS sees them all, but FreeBSD only lists the first 16? It happens that most of the later partitions are meant for other OS's anyway, so this isn't much of a problem for me. Just wanted to mention it. Also, what does sysinstall run to look at these partitions? I tried 'bsdlabel' to read the list of partitions, but all it would say was: "a -m option must be specified" -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 22:47:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF7916A41C for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:47:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: from jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it [83.149.128.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C1643D1D for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:47:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: by jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9396659DD; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:47:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:47:06 +0200 From: Dario Freni To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20050630224706.GA29355@cvs.freesbie.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE (What else? ;) X-Sent-From: cvs.freesbie.org X-GPG-Key: http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: 9C23 3CED 32A4 1E6E 7F83 042F CA68 BBD8 8892 872B User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:47:01 -0000 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 06:41:22PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 8:03 AM +1000 7/1/05, Peter Grehan wrote: > > > Hi guys, I've just installed FreeBSD on an external hard drive. > > > You know, I was too lazy to reformat everything, so I recycled > > > an old 6Gig harddrive thanks to an external box. You can find > > > a mini-guide at: > > > > >> http://tinyurl.com/b7s8u > > > > Great work Dario ! I'm looking forward to the FreeSBIE/ppc > > live CD :) >=20 > Indeed. The more ppc users, the merrier! >=20 > I also took an external firewire drive, and used Apple's disk > utility app to create a bunch of partitions on it. Apparently > the utility decides to create an additional tiny partition > between each partition that I actually asked it to create, which > means I ended up with a lot of partitions. So my list includes: >=20 > Intended-Use Partition FreeSpace > ------------ --------- --------- > ?? da0s9 262144 blocks (128MB) > MacOS 10.4 da0s10 36647736 blocks (17894MB) > ?? da0s11 17408 blocks (8MB) > / da0s12 3254152 blocks (1588MB) > ?? da0s13 17408 blocks (8MB) > /usr da0s14 5749760 blocks (2807MB) > ?? da0s15 17408 blocks (8MB) > /usr/obj da0s16 6798336 blocks (3319MB) Why are they starting from 9? > The thing is, I actually have more partitions than that. MacOS > sees them all, but FreeBSD only lists the first 16? It happens > that most of the later partitions are meant for other OS's anyway, > so this isn't much of a problem for me. Just wanted to mention it. > > Also, what does sysinstall run to look at these partitions? I > tried 'bsdlabel' to read the list of partitions, but all it would > say was: "a -m option must be specified" =2E..and -m powerpc says "not supported" --=20 Dario Freni (saturnero@freesbie.org) FreeSBIE developer (http://www.freesbie.org) GPG Public key at http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCxHZpymi72IiShysRAlpVAJ9PC7H31pzfNreJ87H4kW4DrXbtkACdGYLq Y4YclsJjwnxSWvxrG/SKM7k= =lbbf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 23:17:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B22116A41C; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:17:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ssouhlal@FreeBSD.org) Received: from efnet-math.org (efnet-math.org [69.60.109.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E0D43D1F; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:17:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ssouhlal@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (63-170-138-118.cst-sg.blacksburg.ntc-com.net [63.170.138.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by efnet-math.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j5UNHNBq015905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:17:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suleiman Souhlal Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:17:12 -0400 To: Garance A Drosihn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: grehan@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:17:26 -0000 Hi, On Jun 30, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 8:03 AM +1000 7/1/05, Peter Grehan wrote: > >> > Hi guys, I've just installed FreeBSD on an external hard drive. >> > You know, I was too lazy to reformat everything, so I recycled >> > an old 6Gig harddrive thanks to an external box. You can find >> > a mini-guide at: >> > >> >>> http://tinyurl.com/b7s8u >>> >> >> Great work Dario ! I'm looking forward to the FreeSBIE/ppc >> live CD :) >> > > Indeed. The more ppc users, the merrier! > > I also took an external firewire drive, and used Apple's disk > utility app to create a bunch of partitions on it. Apparently > the utility decides to create an additional tiny partition > between each partition that I actually asked it to create, which > means I ended up with a lot of partitions. So my list includes: > > Intended-Use Partition FreeSpace > ------------ --------- --------- > ?? da0s9 262144 blocks (128MB) > MacOS 10.4 da0s10 36647736 blocks (17894MB) > ?? da0s11 17408 blocks (8MB) > / da0s12 3254152 blocks (1588MB) > ?? da0s13 17408 blocks (8MB) > /usr da0s14 5749760 blocks (2807MB) > ?? da0s15 17408 blocks (8MB) > /usr/obj da0s16 6798336 blocks (3319MB) > > The thing is, I actually have more partitions than that. MacOS > sees them all, but FreeBSD only lists the first 16? It happens > that most of the later partitions are meant for other OS's anyway, > so this isn't much of a problem for me. Just wanted to mention it. > > Also, what does sysinstall run to look at these partitions? I > tried 'bsdlabel' to read the list of partitions, but all it would > say was: "a -m option must be specified" We don't support bsd labels on ppc.. I had patches that I sent phk to make them work, about a year ago, but he said he'd rather not have them supported, because of their limits. -- Suleiman Souhlal | ssouhlal@vt.edu The FreeBSD Project | ssouhlal@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 01:30:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCB016A41C for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:30:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4D843D1F for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:30:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j611UTQJ009680; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:30:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050630224706.GA29355@cvs.freesbie.org> References: <20050630224706.GA29355@cvs.freesbie.org> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:30:28 -0400 To: Dario Freni From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 01:30:32 -0000 At 12:47 AM +0200 7/1/05, Dario Freni wrote: >On Thu, Jun 30, 2005, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > >> I also took an external firewire drive, and used Apple's disk >> utility app to create a bunch of partitions on it. Apparently >> the utility decides to create an additional tiny partition >> between each partition that I actually asked it to create, which >> means I ended up with a lot of partitions. So my list includes: >> >> Intended-Use Partition FreeSpace >> ------------ --------- --------- >> ?? da0s9 262144 blocks (128MB) > > MacOS 10.4 da0s10 36647736 blocks (17894MB) >> ?? da0s11 17408 blocks (8MB) >> / da0s12 3254152 blocks (1588MB) >> ?? da0s13 17408 blocks (8MB) >> /usr da0s14 5749760 blocks (2807MB) >> ?? da0s15 17408 blocks (8MB) >> /usr/obj da0s16 6798336 blocks (3319MB) > >Why are they starting from 9? Because I skipped over the first eight... :-) I think I have some extra partitions before these because I said "install drivers for MacOS 9". This external hard disk is still (occasionally) moved between machines, so that seemed like a good idea at the time. But now that I think of it, I believe that just last week I switched over the last person on campus who was still running MacOS 9 campus... When I run the DiskUtility.app on MacOS 10, that partition on da0s10 is the first partition which the application displays. I wonder if those small partitions include meta-data for the real partitions which follow them. > > Also, what does sysinstall run to look at these partitions? > > I tried 'bsdlabel' to read the list of partitions, but all > > it would say was: "a -m option must be > > specified" > >...and -m powerpc says "not supported" Yeah. 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From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 01:57:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4572416A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:57:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.NUXI.org (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19ACD43D1D; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 01:57:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.NUXI.org (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.NUXI.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j611vU1P011547; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.NUXI.org) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.NUXI.org (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id j611vUA9011546; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:57:30 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Suleiman Souhlal Message-ID: <20050701015730.GD4460@dragon.NUXI.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: Garance A Drosihn , grehan@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 01:57:31 -0000 On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 07:17:12PM -0400, Suleiman Souhlal wrote: > On Jun 30, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > >Also, what does sysinstall run to look at these partitions? I > >tried 'bsdlabel' to read the list of partitions, but all it would > >say was: "a -m option must be specified" > > We don't support bsd labels on ppc.. I had patches that I sent phk to > make them work, about a year ago, but he said he'd rather not have > them supported, because of their limits. At this point with FreeBSD/PPC 6.0-RELEASE happening we can't stick our heads in the sand anymore. What type of labels do we support and which non-Sysinstall programs does one use when adding a 2nd disk to their system? -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 03:10:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFA216A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:10:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp2.server.rpi.edu (smtp2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E3B43D1D; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:10:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp2.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j613AbWe029233; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:10:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050630221635.GA29010@cvs.freesbie.org> References: <20050630221635.GA29010@cvs.freesbie.org> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:10:34 -0400 To: Dario Freni , Peter Grehan From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.2 Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:10:39 -0000 At 12:16 AM +0200 7/1/05, Dario Freni wrote: > >Little update to the article. USB, sadly, works better than >FireWire. When booting from FireWire i'm not able to make a >buildworld. It exits really at *random* points with quite *random* >error codes (96, 120, 223...). Absolutely no problem switching >to USB (same box, it's a combo usb/fw external case). Interesting. I've done buildworld/buildkernel with /usr/obj on an external firewire drive, and it worked fine. I did it hoping to see a performance boost by having /usr/obj on the faster external firewire drive, while /usr/src was still on the slow internal drive of the Mac-mini. There was no significant speed difference, but everything seemed to work perfectly fine. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 03:19:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A413F16A41C for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:19:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp3.server.rpi.edu (smtp3.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6832643D1D for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 03:19:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j613Jur6010774; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:19:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050630224706.GA29355@cvs.freesbie.org> References: <20050630224706.GA29355@cvs.freesbie.org> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:19:55 -0400 To: Dario Freni From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.3 Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 03:19:59 -0000 At 12:47 AM +0200 7/1/05, Dario Freni wrote: >On Thu, Jun 30, 2005, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > ... the utility decides to create an additional tiny partition >> between each partition that I actually asked it to create, which >> means I ended up with a lot of partitions. So my list includes: >> >> Intended-Use Partition FreeSpace >> ------------ --------- --------- >> ?? da0s9 262144 blocks (128MB) > > MacOS 10.4 da0s10 36647736 blocks (17894MB) > > ?? da0s11 17408 blocks (8MB) > > / da0s12 3254152 blocks (1588MB) > >Why are they starting from 9? I re-partitioned the drive, and this time I did NOT turn on the "include drivers for MacOS 9" option. Now the first real partition (the 17-gig one) starts at partition #3 instead of partition #10. I also tried creating the partitions-for-freebsd as MacOS Extended partitions, instead of unix partitions. When I did that, the extra-partitions created inbetween my real partitions were 128meg, instead of 8 meg. So, I changed the partitions for freebsd all back to "Unix file system" partitions... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 05:24:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7101416A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 05:24:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toa@pop.agri.ch) Received: from smtp.messaging.ch (exsmtp02.agrinet.ch [81.221.252.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0497A43D1D; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 05:24:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from toa@pop.agri.ch) Received: from [192.168.225.5] ([80.218.0.93]) by smtp.messaging.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 1 Jul 2005 07:24:53 +0200 Message-ID: <42C4D39E.4030403@pop.agri.ch> Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 07:24:46 +0200 From: Andreas Tobler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dario Freni References: <20050630221635.GA29010@cvs.freesbie.org> <42C47188.5060006@pop.agri.ch> <20050630223317.GA29111@cvs.freesbie.org> In-Reply-To: <20050630223317.GA29111@cvs.freesbie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 05:24:53.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[35C889E0:01C57DFD] Cc: Peter Grehan , freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 05:24:55 -0000 Dario Freni wrote: > Anyway, is USB2 supported? My box is attached directly to the mac > mini, but I don't see any ehci output from kernel. Anyway, it's not so > slow, I reached 7.0MB/s via scp. From my albook with bootlog verbose.... Jun 30 21:35:39 albook kernel: ehci0: mem 0xa0000000-0xa00000ff irq 63 at device 27.2 on pci1 Jun 30 21:35:39 albook kernel: ehci0: Reserved 0x100 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xa0000000 Jun 30 21:35:39 albook kernel: uninorth mapdev: start a0000000, len 256 Jun 30 21:35:39 albook kernel: ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] Jun 30 21:35:39 albook kernel: usb5: EHCI version 1.0 Jun 30 21:35:39 albook kernel: usb5: companion controllers, 3 ports each: usb3 usb4 Jun 30 21:35:39 albook kernel: usb5: on ehci0 Jun 30 21:35:39 albook kernel: usb5: USB revision 2.0 Jun 30 21:35:39 albook kernel: uhub5: NEC EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 Though, I do not have usb 2 devices around. Andreas From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 13:26:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA8C16A41C for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:26:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stb@lassitu.de) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988B443D1F for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:26:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stb@lassitu.de) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (schlepper [212.12.50.230]) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j61DPxia090725; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:26:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stb@lassitu.de) In-Reply-To: References: <20050630224706.GA29355@cvs.freesbie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v730) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Bethke Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:25:59 +0200 To: Garance A Drosihn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.730) Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 13:26:04 -0000 Am 01.07.2005 um 05:19 schrieb Garance A Drosihn: > At 12:47 AM +0200 7/1/05, Dario Freni wrote: > > >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2005, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >> > ... the utility decides to create an additional tiny partition >> >> >>> between each partition that I actually asked it to create, which >>> means I ended up with a lot of partitions. So my list includes: >>> >>> Intended-Use Partition FreeSpace >>> ------------ --------- --------- >>> ?? da0s9 262144 blocks (128MB) >>> >>> >> > MacOS 10.4 da0s10 36647736 blocks (17894MB) >> > ?? da0s11 17408 blocks (8MB) >> > / da0s12 3254152 blocks (1588MB) >> >> Why are they starting from 9? >> >> > > I re-partitioned the drive, and this time I did NOT turn on the > "include drivers for MacOS 9" option. Now the first real > partition (the 17-gig one) starts at partition #3 instead of > partition #10. > > I also tried creating the partitions-for-freebsd as MacOS Extended > partitions, instead of unix partitions. When I did that, the > extra-partitions created inbetween my real partitions were 128meg, > instead of 8 meg. So, I changed the partitions for freebsd all > back to "Unix file system" partitions... > I haven't really gotten around installing FreeBSD on either my AlBook or my mini, but: What does OS X diskutil say in comparison? Here's the output from my mini: euterpe:~$ diskutil list /dev/disk0 #: type name size identifier 0: Apple_partition_scheme *37.3 GB disk0 1: Apple_partition_map 31.5 KB disk0s1 2: Apple_HFS euterpe 37.1 GB disk0s3 Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Fon +49 170 346 0140 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 13:47:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9981A16A41F; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:47:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mv.twc.weather.com (mv.twc.weather.com [65.212.71.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182EB43D48; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:47:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.50.41.231] (Not Verified[65.202.103.25]) by mv.twc.weather.com with NetIQ MailMarshal (v6, 0, 3, 8) id ; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:01:08 -0400 From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:47:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050701015730.GD4460@dragon.NUXI.org> In-Reply-To: <20050701015730.GD4460@dragon.NUXI.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507010947.17929.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Garance A Drosihn , Suleiman Souhlal , grehan@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 13:47:20 -0000 On Thursday 30 June 2005 09:57 pm, David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 07:17:12PM -0400, Suleiman Souhlal wrote: > > On Jun 30, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > >Also, what does sysinstall run to look at these partitions? I > > >tried 'bsdlabel' to read the list of partitions, but all it would > > >say was: "a -m option must be specified" > > > > We don't support bsd labels on ppc.. I had patches that I sent phk to > > make them work, about a year ago, but he said he'd rather not have > > them supported, because of their limits. > > At this point with FreeBSD/PPC 6.0-RELEASE happening we can't stick our > heads in the sand anymore. What type of labels do we support and which > non-Sysinstall programs does one use when adding a 2nd disk to their > system? GEOM_APPLE knows how to read the Apple labels, so I think what happens is that you have to create the partitions in OS X and then sysinstall will see them via GEOM_APPLE so that you can newfs them and stick bits on them. I believe that gpt(8) can be used on all of our archs for non-boot disks, and GPT is a much better format than bsdlabel, MBR, etc. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 1 20:43:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE8D16A41C; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:43:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: from jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it [83.149.128.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CBB43D53; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:43:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: by jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07324584B; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:44:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:44:07 +0200 From: Dario Freni To: Peter Grehan Message-ID: <20050701204406.GA89744@cvs.freesbie.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE (What else? ;) X-Sent-From: cvs.freesbie.org X-GPG-Key: http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: 9C23 3CED 32A4 1E6E 7F83 042F CA68 BBD8 8892 872B User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:43:59 -0000 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 08:03:49AM +1000, Peter Grehan wrote: > >Hi guys, I've just installed FreeBSD on an external hard drive. You > >know, I was too lazy to reformat everything, so I recycled an old 6Gig > >harddrive thanks to an external box. You can find a mini-guide at: > > > >http://tinyurl.com/b7s8u >=20 > Great work Dario ! I'm looking forward to the FreeSBIE/ppc live CD :) Just made the first boot :) A small report: - previously, we used to add 32Mb to the mfsroot size normally required. Apparently OpenFirmware didn't like this. Here is the loader output: Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel/kernel data=3D0x34a094+0x52208 syms=3D[0x4+0x49672] / [rotating some seconds] Invalid memory access at %SRR0: 01c18620 %SRR1: 00083030 Then the OpenFirmware prompt again. Resolved by removing the exceeding 32Mb. - usually we extensively use md memory fs union-mounted on compressed fs for /usr, /var and /root. Keeping this behaviour atm results on an instantaneous reboot apparently on the "Creating/trimming log files" phase during the init. I'm not sure about this because, as I said, the reboot is fast, no panic and no freeze. I temporarily resolved removing the unionfs, but I really want to make this work. Are there still problems with unionfs on recent -currents?=20 --=20 Dario Freni (saturnero@freesbie.org) FreeSBIE developer (http://www.freesbie.org) GPG Public key at http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCxasWymi72IiShysRAriBAJ9mKvTqOZezyhsOPBAOIEskBujexwCfb+qt u9BSiWe+WWUHpzON/5fhxZk= =GDq5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 2 03:12:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18C516A41C for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 03:12:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5651B43D1F for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 03:12:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (localhost.onthenet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with ESMTP id AUE10565; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:11:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from 203.144.2.137 by dommail.onthenet.com.au (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:11:52 +1000 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:11:52 +1000 From: Peter Grehan To: Dario Freni X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.7-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <16fa5cff.155a4a67.819d300@dommail.onthenet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 03:12:09 -0000 Hi Dario, >Just made the first boot :) A small report: > >- previously, we used to add 32Mb to the mfsroot size normally > required. Apparently OpenFirmware didn't like this. Here is the > loader output: > >Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf >/boot/kernel/kernel data=0x34a094+0x52208 syms=[0x4+0x49672] >/ [rotating some seconds] >Invalid memory access at %SRR0: 01c18620 %SRR1: 00083030 > >Then the OpenFirmware prompt again. Resolved by removing the exceeding >32Mb. What's happening here is that the mfsroot is overwriting the loader. On the powermac, the loader is placed at 0x1c00000 to try and avoid a conflict with OpenFirmware memory usage (this location was pinched from bootx). So, you're somewhat limited in mfsroot size, since it's placed in memory by the loader directly after the kernel (and before the loader itself). >- usually we extensively use md memory fs union-mounted on compressed > fs for /usr, /var and /root. Keeping this behaviour atm results on > an instantaneous reboot apparently on the "Creating/ trimming log > files" phase during the init. I'm not sure about this because, as I > said, the reboot is fast, no panic and no freeze. > >I temporarily resolved removing the unionfs, but I really want to make >this work. Are there still problems with unionfs on recent - currents? Do you get this on -i386 ? Is it possible to isolate this down to a small test case that can be run on a non-FreeSBIE ppc system ? later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 2 03:18:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B2B16A41C; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 03:18:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AF043D1F; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 03:18:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (localhost.onthenet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with ESMTP id AUE10735; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:18:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from 203.144.2.137 by dommail.onthenet.com.au (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with HTTP/1.1; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:18:24 +1000 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:18:24 +1000 From: Peter Grehan To: obrien@FreeBSD.org, Suleiman Souhlal X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.7-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <2e583cb2.155ae389.819d300@dommail.onthenet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Garance A Drosihn , freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-ppc on an external hdd (Mac Mini) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 03:18:27 -0000 >At this point with FreeBSD/PPC 6.0-RELEASE happening we can't stick our >heads in the sand anymore. What type of labels do we support and which >non-Sysinstall programs does one use when adding a 2nd disk to their >system? Sysinstall for FreeBSD/PPC only understands APM partitions, though you should be able to manually create GPT partitions. My (unrealised) plan for APM partition editing was to pull in pdisk. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 2 12:40:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C3416A41C; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:40:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: from jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it [83.149.128.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0674D43D4C; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:40:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from saturnero@freesbie.org) Received: by jail1-fbsd4.consiagnet.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E7EC059A9; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:40:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:40:48 +0200 From: Dario Freni To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050702124048.GB89744@cvs.freesbie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc" Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE (What else? ;) X-Sent-From: cvs.freesbie.org X-GPG-Key: http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc X-GPG-Fingerprint: 9C23 3CED 32A4 1E6E 7F83 042F CA68 BBD8 8892 872B User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Weird behaviour of mount_unionfs with executables X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:40:40 -0000 --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, I'm working on rewriting FreeSBIE toolkit for my Summer of Code project. Before that, I'm trying to adapt actual scripts with latest -current (expecially ppc). I noticed a weird behaviour of unionfs either in i386 and ppc. Under FreeSBIE, we use to mount memory file systems over compressed ones via unionfs. Under -current, whenever I recall an rwx file, it is correctly executed the first time, then it is copied to the upper layer (why? I haven't modified it yet) with wrong permission, so it is unexecutable. sberta:/home/satu/tmp# kldload geom_uzip sberta:/home/satu/tmp# mdconfig -a -t vnode -f usr.uzip md0 sberta:/home/satu/tmp# ll /dev/md0* crw-r----- 1 root operator 11, 98 Jul 1 12:48 /dev/md0 crw-r----- 1 root operator 11, 99 Jul 1 12:48 /dev/md0.uzip sberta:/home/satu/tmp# mount -r /dev/md0.uzip compressedusr/ sberta:/home/satu/tmp# mdmfs -S -s 32m -M md mdmfs/ sberta:/home/satu/tmp# mtree -PUdr -p mdmfs/ < FreeSBIE.usr.dirs=20 [..snip, reconstructing the directory tree with right permissions..] sberta:/home/satu/tmp# mount_unionfs mdmfs/ compressedusr/ sberta:/home/satu/tmp# cd compressedusr/bin/ sberta:/home/satu/tmp/compressedusr/bin# ll w -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 11416 Jun 22 23:35 w sberta:/home/satu/tmp/compressedusr/bin# ./w 2:26PM up 1 day, 1:38, 9 users, load averages: 3.49, 3.12, 2.26 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT [...] sberta:/home/satu/tmp/compressedusr/bin# ll w -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11416 Jul 2 14:26 w sberta:/home/satu/tmp/compressedusr/bin# ./w =2E/w: Permission denied. I'm also afraid that copying files to the upper layer also when they're not modified could fill up our mfs entirely. I'm almost sure there's a totally different behaviour under RELENG_5, as we haven't encountered such problems. --=20 Dario Freni (saturnero@freesbie.org) FreeSBIE developer (http://www.freesbie.org) GPG Public key at http://www.saturnero.net/saturnero.asc --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCxotQymi72IiShysRAr/vAJ43eCJrgyo/KYUtqPna14FjiMY89wCg1bi7 kq2DD8ugfamciGiKJZkxx2c= =nrYa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TakKZr9L6Hm6aLOc-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 2 13:07:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABA216A41F for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:07:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lief@growthrecordings.co.uk) Received: from pop3.web-mania.com (smtp.web-mania.com [193.22.244.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE36243D48 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:07:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lief@growthrecordings.co.uk) Received: from cpc2-stre1-6-0-cust97.bagu.cable.ntl.com ([81.109.226.97]) by smtp.web-mania.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1DohXF-0002v5-00 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:55:54 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <116D4D8C-EAFA-11D9-870C-000A9575A96A@growthrecordings.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Lief Ryan Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:06:13 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) X-WM-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-WM-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Mac Mini and Serial Console Access X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:07:03 -0000 Hi, just wondering if you have come across any kind of serial port for the mac mini, i'm using the stealth port in my g4, i was thinking of getting a mac mini but as it is i can't use my studio 4 serial midi interface :( Thanks Lief...