From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 9 09:59:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B1C16A4CF for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:59:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sleipnir.msys.ch (sleipnir.msys.ch [157.161.101.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD88043D2D for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:59:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@msys.ch) Received: from [213.189.137.178] (marc@merlin.etc.msys.ch [213.189.137.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by sleipnir.msys.ch (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j099xY7V089116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:59:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@msys.ch) Message-ID: <41E0FF08.4010203@msys.ch> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:53:12 +0100 From: Marc Balmer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041231) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.9 X-SMTP-Vilter-Spam-Backend: spamd X-Spam-Score: -2.8 X-Spam-Threshold: 7.0 X-Spam-Probability: -0.4 Subject: Event: EuroBSDCon 2005, University of Basel, Switzerland X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:59:41 -0000 Hi Please add the following event to the list of events on www.freebsd.org/events/events.html: EuroBSDCon 2005. November 25th-27th, 2005, University of Basel, Switzerland. http://www.eurobsdcon.org/ Thank you! Marc From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 9 11:06:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322D916A4CE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:06:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9703543D49 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:06:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 4E97311DC7; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:06:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:06:50 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Marc Balmer Message-ID: <20050109110650.GA1187@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <41E0FF08.4010203@msys.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41E0FF08.4010203@msys.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Event: EuroBSDCon 2005, University of Basel, Switzerland X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:06:53 -0000 --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.01.09 10:53:12 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: > Please add the following event to the list of events on=20 > www.freebsd.org/events/events.html: >=20 > EuroBSDCon 2005. November 25th-27th, 2005, University of Basel,=20 > Switzerland. http://www.eurobsdcon.org/ Thanks, I just added it so it should be online within the next 24 hours. I just based the description on the one for EuroBSDCon 2004, so if you prefer some other text, just submit the text and I will update it. I'm looking forward to attending :-). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB4RBKh9pcDSc1mlERArJfAJ9Iwn/m0JRrBZ3nQVVDmLsDSTsyDwCfZubJ WQ5UHiAbAydZaI3/ZKKZLGE= =NkoH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 9 22:17:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6551116A4CE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F7A43D46 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:17:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so48888rnf for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:17:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=H5jCz3X9AbuDtyf0UZs//s25f5i1XabnHyTUbHgyHxlGPPTgi0qWY4dQ+AyRbayDT9FN08U3e/lmDLzv16EloYMY0s5xCe9J1AHKCZ3Bj2AByRzmLTxGw+XBqrg+GOBNfa9C+1ks6WelcW6LYj9WB+XHtx4maaQaN18tlJMz0Fc= Received: by 10.38.82.18 with SMTP id f18mr250237rnb; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.101.3 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:17:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:17:01 -0600 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: Chris Zumbrunn In-Reply-To: <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org cc: "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:17:02 -0000 > >> The html versions are now available from the following URLs: > >> > >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html > >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html > >> > >> How does that look? > > > > I like it, but there are things I don't like: > > > > Removing underlines from hypertext links makes > > it impossible to tell wether a heading in the > > navigation columns is a link or not. We could > > require that all elements of the navigation > > are links, but I would like links in the running > > text to show normal behaviour (underlined and blue). > > Modifications should probably go in the direction of removing the links > on section titles in the navigation bars, so that the blue color will > serve as a consistent identifier for links. If it's blue, it's a link. > If it's not blue, it's not a link. Something we do a lot at my workplace (web development firm, mostly) is to have underlines on rollovers and (on some sites unselected, depending of course on user preference). I would prefer to not see the blue underlined if we could avoid it. Of course with the modern css technology, it's not an issue because any user that wants blue underlined links (vision impairment, personal preference, etc) can override the link colour via his/her client. Having the links that have been selected still visible (especially on rollover) but "faded out" in some form into the regular text makes a lot of things more readable. Just a thought, Eric -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 9 22:53:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DACC16A4CE; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:53:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE49C43D3F; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:53:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b154.otenet.gr [212.205.244.162]) j09MrsQC012152; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:53:55 +0200 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j09MrrM9038639; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:53:53 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j09MrrDj038619; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:53:53 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:53:53 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Eric Kjeldergaard Message-ID: <20050109225353.GF832@gothmog.gr> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: "Simon L.Nielsen" cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:53:58 -0000 On 2005-01-09 16:17, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > Something we do a lot at my workplace (web development firm, mostly) > is to have underlines on rollovers and (on some sites unselected, > depending of course on user preference). I would prefer to not see > the blue underlined if we could avoid it. Of course with the modern > css technology, it's not an issue because any user that wants blue > underlined links (vision impairment, personal preference, etc) can > override the link colour via his/her client. Having the links that > have been selected still visible (especially on rollover) but "faded > out" in some form into the regular text makes a lot of things more > readable. > > Just a thought, Eric All good ideas, IMHO. Thanks for sharing them with us, Eric! From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 11:03:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CAB16A4DD for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:03:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F11343D1F for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:03:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0AB3HYb095624 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:03:17 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0AB3GWI095618 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:03:16 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:03:16 GMT Message-Id: <200501101103.j0AB3GWI095618@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:03:19 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. 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From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 18:01:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9217F16A4CE; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:01:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC23243D31; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:01:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Co3rW-000BhG-Fy; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:01:54 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:01:54 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Chris Zumbrunn Message-ID: <20050110180154.GB49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Chris Zumbrunn , freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Giorgos Keramidas , "Simon L.Nielsen" References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="q7xFpbLMA4v1i4j3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org cc: "Simon L.Nielsen" Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:01:56 -0000 --q7xFpbLMA4v1i4j3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:46:28AM +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > On Jan 4, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >=20 > >On Jan 4, 2005, at 12:22 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > >>On 2005-01-02 12:07, "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote: > >>>On 2005.01.01 01:24:07 +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > >>>>I did some further tweaking of the mockups: > >>>>[...] > >>>>The new versions have the following URLs: > >>>>http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1c.gif > >>>>http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2c.gif > >>> > >>>Very interesting, is the source available somewhere so we can look at > >>>the actualy amount of work getting this integrated into the web site? > >>> > >>>>I also added a mockup of what an even more minimalist approach could > >>>>look like: > >>>> > >>>>http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1d.gif > >>>> > >>>>This version just requires changing three lines in the css style > >>>>definition and replacing the one image file. Would this be a > >>>>reasonable first step? > >>> > >>>I think it would be more interesting getting the bar thinggy > >>>integrated at the same time, since it does not look like a lot of=20 > >>>work > >>>getting it all in at the same time. > >> > >>True true :) > >> > >>Ideally, we can add the interesting shaded bar by modifying just one > >>file: `www/share/sgml/includes.header.sgml'. > >> > >>Chris, can we see the source, please? > >> > >>- Giorgos > > > >The mockups you've seen so far had not been done in html - these have=20 > >just been image mockups. I've since implemented them in html, but they= =20 > >are not quite finished yet. I should have them ready within the next=20 > >24h. > > > >Chris >=20 > The html versions are now available from the following URLs: >=20 > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html > http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html >=20 > How does that look? >=20 > There is also a patch http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/patch.txt but I'm=20 > not sure if it's usable. At least it should provide you with a good=20 > overview of the kind of modifications involved. Is • a standard entity, or does this fail to build? Similarly for &stylesheet; - are you sure we have the whole patch here? Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --q7xFpbLMA4v1i4j3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB4sMSocfcwTS3JF8RAiN7AJ9IfFS/R7oQSiue2zrA+21BG8LJHACgu1fG CRd55fZoUQkdHfOhzJ30FkA= =KqNg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --q7xFpbLMA4v1i4j3-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 10 18:03:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C112F16A4CF; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:03:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E3243D2F; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:03:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Co3tJ-000GsQ-Hm; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:03:45 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:03:45 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Eric Kjeldergaard Message-ID: <20050110180345.GC49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Eric Kjeldergaard , Chris Zumbrunn , Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-www@freebsd.org, "Simon L.Nielsen" References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bXVaen7Op4LYXSUn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: Giorgos Keramidas cc: "Simon L.Nielsen" cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:03:48 -0000 --bXVaen7Op4LYXSUn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:01PM -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > >> The html versions are now available from the following URLs: > > >> > > >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html > > >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html > > >> > > >> How does that look? > > > > > > I like it, but there are things I don't like: > > > > > > Removing underlines from hypertext links makes > > > it impossible to tell wether a heading in the > > > navigation columns is a link or not. We could > > > require that all elements of the navigation > > > are links, but I would like links in the running > > > text to show normal behaviour (underlined and blue). > >=20 > > Modifications should probably go in the direction of removing the links > > on section titles in the navigation bars, so that the blue color will > > serve as a consistent identifier for links. If it's blue, it's a link. > > If it's not blue, it's not a link. >=20 > Something we do a lot at my workplace (web development firm, mostly) > is to have underlines on rollovers and (on some sites unselected, > depending of course on user preference). I would prefer to not see > the blue underlined if we could avoid it. Of course with the modern > css technology, it's not an issue because any user that wants blue > underlined links (vision impairment, personal preference, etc) can > override the link colour via his/her client. I am sure that people with vision impairment would love to mess around trying to edit a custom stylesheet because you don't like blue anchors. I quite like the rest of this patch, but removing the underline from links is evil. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --bXVaen7Op4LYXSUn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB4sOBocfcwTS3JF8RAg93AJ0VwlDHLzfWhBvKqjJMFhGoibsvcgCeJ1WF i+IhBwP0xEQ3q60octkg5LQ= =Yd5R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bXVaen7Op4LYXSUn-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 04:23:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B452916A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:23:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1AC43D5D for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:23:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sobolak@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so62204rnf for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K7gHzxlyX4LL0C0YZ9L297iS1GqXJp3H47csb5Hs9MoqPFxRU0AgDwUURuMEH2n/V6KpAjqFRGaA8XABhQmMR/zw6rDPkZIgahPeL5i8rnYoGlFa8w98Y84rm9wUxZ8EQNnZSJe7PARMqt9eHEIg7/lcu+IgW0Bsnhx/TOllsng= Received: by 10.38.150.14 with SMTP id x14mr307599rnd; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.39.2.77 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:23:35 -0600 From: Brian Sobolak To: www@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Update listing for Chicago BSD User Group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: brian@planetshwoop.com List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:23:36 -0000 Hi - The listing for the Chicago user group on this page is no longer correct. Unfortunately the domain has been snagged by a spammer. Please replace it with: o Chicago, IL - The Users of Free Operating Systems (UFO Chicago) is a open-source Unix user group that meets twice a month in Chicago. For directions and mailing list info, please check out our website http://ufo.chicago.il.us. Thank you! brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 10:23:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD3C16A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:23:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5F4643D3F for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:23:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@zumbrunn.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:23:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050110180154.GB49329@submonkey.net> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050110180154.GB49329@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:23:54 +0100 To: Ceri Davies X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:23:59 -0000 On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:46:28AM +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >> >> The html versions are now available from the following URLs: >> >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html >> http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html >> >> How does that look? >> >> There is also a patch http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/patch.txt but I'm >> not sure if it's usable. At least it should provide you with a good >> overview of the kind of modifications involved. > > Is • a standard entity, or does this fail to build? Similarly for > &stylesheet; - are you sure we have the whole patch here? • is a standard entity as of HTML 4.0. Alternatively, I believe • could also be used. &stylesheet; is a placeholder that gets replaced with the correct URL when the site is built. I didn't add that, it's already in use like that. Chris From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 10:24:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D1416A4E4 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:24:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from engine140.deployzone.net (engine140.deployzone.net [193.17.85.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1534443D31 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:24:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@zumbrunn.com) Received: from adsl-212-90-218-5.cybernet.ch [212.90.218.5] by engine140.deployzone.net; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:23:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050110180345.GC49329@submonkey.net> References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050110180345.GC49329@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Zumbrunn Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:24:25 +0100 To: Ceri Davies X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:24:42 -0000 On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: > On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:01PM -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: >> >> Something we do a lot at my workplace (web development firm, mostly) >> is to have underlines on rollovers and (on some sites unselected, >> depending of course on user preference). I would prefer to not see >> the blue underlined if we could avoid it. Of course with the modern >> css technology, it's not an issue because any user that wants blue >> underlined links (vision impairment, personal preference, etc) can >> override the link colour via his/her client. > > I am sure that people with vision impairment would love to mess around > trying to edit a custom stylesheet because you don't like blue anchors. > I quite like the rest of this patch, but removing the underline from > links is evil. People with vision impairment set their browser to override the stylesheet, so the web works best for them personally. This is not something that is specific to a particular site. I would argue that underlining links impairs the vision of everybody else ;-) The important thing is consistency: If it's blue it's a link, if it's not blue it's not a link. Chris From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 13:03:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C231A16A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:03:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA69543D39 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:03:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])j0BD3MUn028429; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:03:23 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) j0BD3MEJ034026; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:03:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost)j0BD3MRs034022; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:03:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:03:22 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: brian@planetshwoop.com Message-ID: <20050111130322.GA29786@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Update listing for Chicago BSD User Group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:03:25 -0000 On 2005-01-10 22:23, Brian Sobolak wrote: > Hi - > > The listing for the Chicago user group on this page > is no longer correct. > Unfortunately the domain has been snagged by a spammer. AFAICT, the http://www.chifug.org/ web page is still up. Is there any way we can verify your group has indeed switched to ufo.chicago.il.us? > Please replace it with: > > o Chicago, IL - The Users of Free Operating Systems (UFO Chicago) is a > open-source Unix user group that meets twice a month in Chicago. For > directions and mailing list info, please check out our website > http://ufo.chicago.il.us. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 13:49:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740F716A4CF for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:49:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC38B43D5A for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:49:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sobolak@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so110000rnz for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:49:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lwb34+ryowH6pKQk5mSeJyInLKhE9MO5+eEcf4ZSScA/IbsSPYZSMyapd3yqMTasmSDMCTkTjEenhjizOv1uC/19GyM0bNK2DXLG6Q8FcyJTLrV43H4iAv4NczHwg9x7C2CDcqeodJtfiCTNjdvNVCA0H4gcpgB5vMXnen+sJg0= Received: by 10.38.8.38 with SMTP id 38mr301493rnh; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.62 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:49:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:49:18 -0600 From: Brian Sobolak To: Giorgos Keramidas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: jgrosch@mooseriver.com cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Update listing for Chicago BSD User Group? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: brian@planetshwoop.com List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:49:20 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas said: > On 2005-01-10 22:23, Brian Sobolak wrote: >> Hi - >> >> The listing for the Chicago user group on this page >> is no longer correct. >> Unfortunately the domain has been snagged by a spammer. > > AFAICT, the http://www.chifug.org/ web page is still up. Is there any > way we can verify your group has indeed switched to ufo.chicago.il.us? Josef Grosch originally registered the CHIFUG site and lost the domain. I've cc'ed him on this message so he can chime in and confirm the spammer status. (Whilte the site is still up, if you mouseover the mailto: link at the bottom, you can see that the mail points to a different domain. If you follow that domain, it's pretty obviously a spam-site as it has numerous unsavory links.) UFO Chicago is a separate group from CHIFUG. However, since we are BSD-friendly, I'd love it if we could include it in the user-group listing. >> Please replace it with: >> >> o Chicago, IL - The Users of Free Operating Systems (UFO Chicago) is a >> open-source Unix user group that meets twice a month in Chicago. For >> directions and mailing list info, please check out our website >> http://ufo.chicago.il.us. > brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 14:43:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43F516A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:43:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5C443D1D for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:43:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CoNFL-0000RL-2j; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:43:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:43:47 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Chris Zumbrunn Message-ID: <20050111144346.GJ49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Chris Zumbrunn , freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050110180154.GB49329@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="S2vPl1TyMfC9AWgZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:43:48 -0000 --S2vPl1TyMfC9AWgZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:23:54AM +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: >=20 > >On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:46:28AM +0100, Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > >> > >>The html versions are now available from the following URLs: > >> > >>http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb1e.html > >>http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/freebsdweb2e.html > >> > >>How does that look? > >> > >>There is also a patch http://top.ch/sitedata/freebsd/patch.txt but I'm > >>not sure if it's usable. At least it should provide you with a good > >>overview of the kind of modifications involved. > > > >Is • a standard entity, or does this fail to build? Similarly for > >&stylesheet; - are you sure we have the whole patch here? >=20 > • is a standard entity as of HTML 4.0. Alternatively, I believe=20 > • could also be used. >=20 > &stylesheet; is a placeholder that gets replaced with the correct URL=20 > when the site is built. I didn't add that, it's already in use like=20 > that. OK, cool. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --S2vPl1TyMfC9AWgZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB4+YiocfcwTS3JF8RAn7OAJ9VV3h3T1omEhJoW1kXQbr+NxLelgCgreht QZVlck1fBjxWtaDZgVusGUo= =9wS5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --S2vPl1TyMfC9AWgZ-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 17:42:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B56B16A4CE; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:42:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD06643D3F; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:42:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (nosferatu.blackend.org [192.168.10.205])j0BHVeO8082844; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:31:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from nosferatu.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) j0BHg8q4000701; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:42:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@nosferatu.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by nosferatu.blackend.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0BHg8Qb000700; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:42:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:42:08 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: World Wide Web Owner Message-ID: <20050111174208.GA683@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <200501111730.j0BHU40P072757@www.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501111730.j0BHU40P072757@www.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:42:17 -0000 should be fixed now. Marc From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 11 18:04:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDD616A4CE; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:04:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAAD43D2F; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:04:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (64-144-75-100.client.dsl.net [64.144.75.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BI48oa051164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:04:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:04:15 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20050111130415.710d95b4@mobile.pittgoth.com> In-Reply-To: <20050111174208.GA683@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <200501111730.j0BHU40P072757@www.freebsd.org> <20050111174208.GA683@nosferatu.blackend.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: World Wide Web Owner Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:04:10 -0000 On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:42:08 +0100 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > should be fixed now. Thanks, that was very impressive. I got the email, ran cvs update and jumped into the directory only to find you had already fixed it. Good show! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 06:28:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2B716A4CE; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:28:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from volginfo.ru (ns.volginfo.ru [217.23.84.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA5643D45; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:28:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from den@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.1.32] (llp-13.vistcom.ru [217.23.84.68]) by volginfo.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E4E200D; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:28:31 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <41E4C38D.3040606@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:28:29 +0300 From: Denis Peplin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041008 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille References: <200501111730.j0BHU40P072757@www.freebsd.org> <20050111174208.GA683@nosferatu.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20050111174208.GA683@nosferatu.blackend.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: World Wide Web Owner Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:28:34 -0000 Hello! Marc Fonvieille wrote: > should be fixed now. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 11:45:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8604516A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:45:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E47143D1F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:45:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20050112114540i9200it2foe>; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:45:55 +0000 Message-ID: <41E50DE3.5050105@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:45:39 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Zumbrunn References: <736EAA55-5B8B-11D9-ACB2-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050110180345.GC49329@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org cc: Ceri Davies Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:45:56 -0000 Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:01PM -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: >> >>> >>> Something we do a lot at my workplace (web development firm, mostly) >>> is to have underlines on rollovers and (on some sites unselected, >>> depending of course on user preference). I would prefer to not see >>> the blue underlined if we could avoid it. Of course with the modern >>> css technology, it's not an issue because any user that wants blue >>> underlined links (vision impairment, personal preference, etc) can >>> override the link colour via his/her client. >> >> >> I am sure that people with vision impairment would love to mess around >> trying to edit a custom stylesheet because you don't like blue anchors. >> I quite like the rest of this patch, but removing the underline from >> links is evil. > > > People with vision impairment set their browser to override the > stylesheet, so the web works best for them personally. This is not > something that is specific to a particular site. I would argue that > underlining links impairs the vision of everybody else ;-) > > The important thing is consistency: If it's blue it's a link, if it's > not blue it's not a link. > > This link should be helpful: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040510.html From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 15:10:24 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8A116A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89B343D1D for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:10:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CFANFk058501 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:10:23 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0CFANXo058497; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:10:23 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:10:23 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200501121510.j0CFANXo058497@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, James Green Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B576316A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A162743D2D for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0CF6Usc052892 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:30 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0CF6UYh052890; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:30 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200501121506.j0CF6UYh052890@www.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:30 GMT From: James Green To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: www/76147: Inclusion in consulting category and products under UK X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:10:24 -0000 >Number: 76147 >Category: www >Synopsis: Inclusion in consulting category and products under UK >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jan 12 15:10:23 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: James Green >Release: 5.3 >Organization: Senokian Solutions Ltd >Environment: >Description: Senokian Solutions are a company dedicated to the use of and support of Open Source Software. We offer support and consultancy on deployment of FreeBSD, and offer firewall and security related products and services using FreeBSD as well as hosting and servers. We also provide servers and desktops pre-installed with FreeBSD. Visit our website at http://www.senokian.com/smes/opensource/ or email us at info@senokian.com, or phone +44 870 744 2030 >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 15:52:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516B116A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:52:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA6243D46 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:52:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1Cokn9-00026E-66; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:52:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:52:15 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20050112155215.GU49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Nikolas Britton , Chris Zumbrunn , freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050110180345.GC49329@submonkey.net> <41E50DE3.5050105@nbritton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KBav/v23NmJ7t/r/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41E50DE3.5050105@nbritton.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:52:17 -0000 --KBav/v23NmJ7t/r/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:45:39AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >=20 > >On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: > > > >>On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:01PM -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>Something we do a lot at my workplace (web development firm, mostly) > >>>is to have underlines on rollovers and (on some sites unselected, > >>>depending of course on user preference). I would prefer to not see > >>>the blue underlined if we could avoid it. Of course with the modern > >>>css technology, it's not an issue because any user that wants blue > >>>underlined links (vision impairment, personal preference, etc) can > >>>override the link colour via his/her client. > >> > >> > >>I am sure that people with vision impairment would love to mess around > >>trying to edit a custom stylesheet because you don't like blue anchors. > >>I quite like the rest of this patch, but removing the underline from > >>links is evil. > > > > > >People with vision impairment set their browser to override the=20 > >stylesheet, so the web works best for them personally. This is not=20 > >something that is specific to a particular site. I would argue that=20 > >underlining links impairs the vision of everybody else ;-) > > > >The important thing is consistency: If it's blue it's a link, if it's=20 > >not blue it's not a link. > > > > > This link should be helpful: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040510.html Thank you (I am slightly shocked that it took two days for someone to agree with me). The W3c agree: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-color Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --KBav/v23NmJ7t/r/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB5UeuocfcwTS3JF8RAlCZAJ9Wxtr0pcUDqxe6WmtEZMjt5z4+WACgoMIM dqAn3JXNrHIs2P86x5VwJ0s= =pZMe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KBav/v23NmJ7t/r/-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 17:11:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED6D16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:11:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F69E43D39 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:11:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050112171141i9100bpjdde>; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:11:47 +0000 Message-ID: <41E55A4D.4090507@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:11:41 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ceri Davies References: <20050102110732.GB861@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20050103232207.GA44980@gothmog.gr> <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050110180345.GC49329@submonkey.net> <41E50DE3.5050105@nbritton.org> <20050112155215.GU49329@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20050112155215.GU49329@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:11:48 -0000 Ceri Davies wrote: >On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:45:39AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > >>Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:01PM -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Something we do a lot at my workplace (web development firm, mostly) >>>>>is to have underlines on rollovers and (on some sites unselected, >>>>>depending of course on user preference). I would prefer to not see >>>>>the blue underlined if we could avoid it. Of course with the modern >>>>>css technology, it's not an issue because any user that wants blue >>>>>underlined links (vision impairment, personal preference, etc) can >>>>>override the link colour via his/her client. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I am sure that people with vision impairment would love to mess around >>>>trying to edit a custom stylesheet because you don't like blue anchors. >>>>I quite like the rest of this patch, but removing the underline from >>>>links is evil. >>>> >>>> >>>People with vision impairment set their browser to override the >>>stylesheet, so the web works best for them personally. This is not >>>something that is specific to a particular site. I would argue that >>>underlining links impairs the vision of everybody else ;-) >>> >>>The important thing is consistency: If it's blue it's a link, if it's >>>not blue it's not a link. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>This link should be helpful: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040510.html >> >> > >Thank you (I am slightly shocked that it took two days for someone to >agree with me). The W3c agree: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-color > > > > I not trying to agree with anyone, just providing reference to what the experts think. Also you have to realize the target user of this website, 90% (more like 99.999%) have at least some technical background. Therefore they know how the web works and what and where links are. As far as the blind, what good is the website if they can't use the product?, AFAIK FreeBSD has no built-in accessibility and those blind people that did manage to get it installed are again going to have a technical background and will know how to navigate the web (the only thing they need are ALT/Title tags). This leaves only color blind people that we need to accommodate, text based web browsers (which don't display links as underlined or real link colors, pull up the FreeBSD site in Links), and old people (I group in the low-vision users here). So the only thing I agree with from Jakob Nielsen site is that of link color, normal text as the same color as links, using hover if links are not underlined, and the old people stuff. I don't care if links are underlined or not. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 19:52:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A1E16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:52:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC91C43D49 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:52:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CooXD-000BxS-Sl; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:52:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:52:03 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20050112195203.GW49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Nikolas Britton , freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050110180345.GC49329@submonkey.net> <41E50DE3.5050105@nbritton.org> <20050112155215.GU49329@submonkey.net> <41E55A4D.4090507@nbritton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="r+YzxXICuUtHiOIf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41E55A4D.4090507@nbritton.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:52:05 -0000 --r+YzxXICuUtHiOIf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 11:11:41AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > Ceri Davies wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:45:39AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > >>Chris Zumbrunn wrote: > >>>On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: > >>>>On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:01PM -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>Something we do a lot at my workplace (web development firm, mostly) > >>>>>is to have underlines on rollovers and (on some sites unselected, > >>>>>depending of course on user preference). I would prefer to not see > >>>>>the blue underlined if we could avoid it. Of course with the modern > >>>>>css technology, it's not an issue because any user that wants blue > >>>>>underlined links (vision impairment, personal preference, etc) can > >>>>>override the link colour via his/her client. > >>>>> > >>>>I am sure that people with vision impairment would love to mess around > >>>>trying to edit a custom stylesheet because you don't like blue anchor= s. > >>>>I quite like the rest of this patch, but removing the underline from > >>>>links is evil. > >>>> > >>>People with vision impairment set their browser to override the=20 > >>>stylesheet, so the web works best for them personally. This is not=20 > >>>something that is specific to a particular site. I would argue that=20 > >>>underlining links impairs the vision of everybody else ;-) > >>> > >>>The important thing is consistency: If it's blue it's a link, if it's= =20 > >>>not blue it's not a link. > >>> > >>This link should be helpful: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040510.html > > > >Thank you (I am slightly shocked that it took two days for someone to > >agree with me). The W3c agree: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-color > > > I not trying to agree with anyone, just providing reference to what the= =20 > experts think. Also you have to realize the target user of this=20 > website, 90% (more like 99.999%) have at least some technical=20 > background. Therefore they know how the web works and what and where=20 > links are. As far as the blind, what good is the website if they can't=20 > use the product?, AFAIK FreeBSD has no built-in accessibility and those= =20 > blind people that did manage to get it installed are again going to have= =20 > a technical background and will know how to navigate the web (the only=20 > thing they need are ALT/Title tags). This leaves only color blind people= =20 > that we need to accommodate, text based web browsers (which don't=20 > display links as underlined or real link colors, pull up the FreeBSD=20 > site in Links), and old people (I group in the low-vision users here).=20 > So the only thing I agree with from Jakob Nielsen site is that of link=20 > color, normal text as the same color as links, using hover if links are= =20 > not underlined, and the old people stuff. I don't care if links are=20 > underlined or not. Everything above boils down to "I don't see how this makes it hard for people, so it's probably ok". I don't imagine that blind users (of which there are quite a few) could care less whether links are underlined or not, but if having links underlined makes it easier for one person to find them (and I count towards that, so it's already fulfilled) for whatever reason then they should be underlined. How about all the people who *don't* want them underlined do the thing with the user-agent style sheets and see how keen they are on imposing it on others then? In short: I will not commit, and will request a backout of, any patch that turns off underlined links on the website. I may not stop short of backing it out myself either, and with that said I'll try not to reply to this thread any more, for the sake of everyone's sanity. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --r+YzxXICuUtHiOIf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB5X/jocfcwTS3JF8RAlNKAKCssqKQI0K78964KLIGFKk3LiVoSACghSPZ 292tZ+R4RL83sYI2h4Doy9E= =ywRF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r+YzxXICuUtHiOIf-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 12 20:16:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320CC16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:16:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19E743D53 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:16:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20050112201614i9100bq8ffe>; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:16:15 +0000 Message-ID: <41E5858E.10600@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:16:14 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041230) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ceri Davies References: <9FC79942-5DE3-11D9-BEAB-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050108144127.GA75006@sumuk.de> <8B30EFDE-6195-11D9-A996-000A95C969C6@zumbrunn.com> <20050110180345.GC49329@submonkey.net> <41E50DE3.5050105@nbritton.org> <20050112155215.GU49329@submonkey.net> <41E55A4D.4090507@nbritton.org> <20050112195203.GW49329@submonkey.net> In-Reply-To: <20050112195203.GW49329@submonkey.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rework of the FreeBSD website [was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:16:16 -0000 Ceri Davies wrote: >On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 11:11:41AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > >>Ceri Davies wrote: >> >> >>>On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:45:39AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Chris Zumbrunn wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Sun, Jan 09, 2005 at 04:17:01PM -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Something we do a lot at my workplace (web development firm, mostly) >>>>>>>is to have underlines on rollovers and (on some sites unselected, >>>>>>>depending of course on user preference). I would prefer to not see >>>>>>>the blue underlined if we could avoid it. Of course with the modern >>>>>>>css technology, it's not an issue because any user that wants blue >>>>>>>underlined links (vision impairment, personal preference, etc) can >>>>>>>override the link colour via his/her client. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I am sure that people with vision impairment would love to mess around >>>>>>trying to edit a custom stylesheet because you don't like blue anchors. >>>>>>I quite like the rest of this patch, but removing the underline from >>>>>>links is evil. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>People with vision impairment set their browser to override the >>>>>stylesheet, so the web works best for them personally. This is not >>>>>something that is specific to a particular site. I would argue that >>>>>underlining links impairs the vision of everybody else ;-) >>>>> >>>>>The important thing is consistency: If it's blue it's a link, if it's >>>>>not blue it's not a link. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>This link should be helpful: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040510.html >>>> >>>> >>>Thank you (I am slightly shocked that it took two days for someone to >>>agree with me). The W3c agree: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-color >>> >>> >>> >>I not trying to agree with anyone, just providing reference to what the >>experts think. Also you have to realize the target user of this >>website, 90% (more like 99.999%) have at least some technical >>background. Therefore they know how the web works and what and where >>links are. As far as the blind, what good is the website if they can't >>use the product?, AFAIK FreeBSD has no built-in accessibility and those >>blind people that did manage to get it installed are again going to have >>a technical background and will know how to navigate the web (the only >>thing they need are ALT/Title tags). This leaves only color blind people >>that we need to accommodate, text based web browsers (which don't >>display links as underlined or real link colors, pull up the FreeBSD >>site in Links), and old people (I group in the low-vision users here). >>So the only thing I agree with from Jakob Nielsen site is that of link >>color, normal text as the same color as links, using hover if links are >>not underlined, and the old people stuff. I don't care if links are >>underlined or not. >> >> > >Everything above boils down to "I don't see how this makes it hard for >people, so it's probably ok". I don't imagine that blind users (of >which there are quite a few) could care less whether links are >underlined or not, but if having links underlined makes it easier >for one person to find them (and I count towards that, so it's already >fulfilled) for whatever reason then they should be underlined. > >How about all the people who *don't* want them underlined do the thing >with the user-agent style sheets and see how keen they are on imposing >it on others then? > >In short: I will not commit, and will request a backout of, any patch >that turns off underlined links on the website. I may not stop short of >backing it out myself either, and with that said I'll try not to reply >to this thread any more, for the sake of everyone's sanity. > >Ceri > > Like I said earlier, I don't care ether way :-) ... So reading between the lines does this mean you'll commit the patch (do you have the power to do this?) if he underlines the links? From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 13 11:27:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3FA16A4CE; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:27:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5083943D1D; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:27:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brueffer@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (brueffer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0DBRtet053713; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:27:55 GMT (envelope-from brueffer@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from brueffer@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0DBRtOk053709; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:27:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from brueffer) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:27:55 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Brueffer Message-Id: <200501131127.j0DBRtOk053709@freefall.freebsd.org> To: info@senokian.com, brueffer@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/76147: Inclusion in consulting category and products under UK X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:27:55 -0000 Synopsis: Inclusion in consulting category and products under UK State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: brueffer State-Changed-When: Thu Jan 13 12:27:26 CET 2005 State-Changed-Why: Added. The entry should appear on the website within 24 hours. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=76147 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 00:28:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC40916A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:28:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.peterbenjamin.com (peterbenjamin.com [65.77.59.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547F143D55 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:28:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pete@peterbenjamin.com) Received: from speedy.peterbenjamin.com (lsanca1-ar6-4-65-104-181.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net [4.65.104.181]) by ns1.peterbenjamin.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15415 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:28:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@peterbenjamin.com) Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050113160516.0355bb90@peterbenjamin.com> X-Sender: pete1@peterbenjamin.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:08:19 -0800 To: www@FreeBSD.org From: Peter Benjamin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ORA 'BSD Hacks' Book not on publish.html page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:28:47 -0000 http://www.freebsd.org/publish.html states: If you know of any additional FreeBSD publications/CDROMs let us know, at www@FreeBSD.org, so that they may be added to this site. The ORA book "BSD Hacks" is not on this list. I'm reading my copy and I am totally thrilled with the content. It represents a considerable time savings for any admin. Pete From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 08:29:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7132616A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:29:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.speedfox.net (mail.speedfox.net [64.40.144.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1A3B43D3F for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:29:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sales@alllinuxcd.com) Received: (qmail 31341 invoked by uid 399); 14 Jan 2005 08:29:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (219.95.18.241) by mail.speedfox.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 08:29:48 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.11]); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:28:48 +0800 Message-ID: <00e601c4fa13$12260260$0300a8c0@tccslook> From: "AllLinuxCD.com Sales" To: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:28:48 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Subject: Request to be listed in your Software Vendors Link page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:29:53 -0000 Hi there, We are the Linux/BSD ISO CDs Vendor and we helps to deliver various Linux/BSD distribution CDs to users with minimum handling and shipping fee. And we would like to request to be list in your resource site. Here is our web site info URL : http://www.alllinuxcd.com Web Site Description : AllLinuxCD.com offers cheap way to obtain FreeBSD CDs and other well-known Linux/BSD distributions. For further information, please visit our site www.alllinuxcd.com or send e-mail to sales@alllinuxcd.com. Thanks in advance. Regards, CS Look AllLinuxCD.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 10:08:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDCB16A4CE; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:08:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A4943D41; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:08:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CpONp-000Km4-27; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:08:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:08:45 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: doceng@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050114100844.GL49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , doceng@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org References: <00e601c4fa13$12260260$0300a8c0@tccslook> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2TEB9zE9jLORvm3o" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00e601c4fa13$12260260$0300a8c0@tccslook> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Request to be listed in your Software Vendors Link page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:08:46 -0000 --2TEB9zE9jLORvm3o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear doceng@, The current situation with cheap CD vendors is suboptimal to say the least. We now have both alllinuxcd.com and cheeplinux.com waiting for a response on outstanding requests, and none of the people who look after this page want to touch it because of the response they get from within the project when/if they add a vendor such as this. As I mentioned in a previous post (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2004-November/001772.html), for the sake of relations with these people we really, really need a policy on whether we should be listing these companies or not. If a contribution to the project is necessary, or if we just plain don't want them, then let's formalise that and at least then we can stop just ignoring these people in the hope that they'll go away. This sounds like it might be a core issue, so if you'd rather punt that's good, but I really feel that we must have a resolution on this. Ceri On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 04:28:48PM +0800, AllLinuxCD.com Sales wrote: > Hi there, >=20 > We are the Linux/BSD ISO CDs Vendor and we helps to deliver various=20 > Linux/BSD distribution CDs to users with minimum handling and shipping= =20 > fee. And we would like to request to be list in your resource site. >=20 > Here is our web site info > URL : http://www.alllinuxcd.com >=20 > Web Site Description : > AllLinuxCD.com offers cheap way to obtain FreeBSD CDs and other well-know= n=20 > Linux/BSD distributions. For further information, please visit our site= =20 > www.alllinuxcd.com or send e-mail to sales@alllinuxcd.com. >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 > Regards, > CS Look > AllLinuxCD.com=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-www@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-www-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --2TEB9zE9jLORvm3o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB55osocfcwTS3JF8RArMzAKDGsejtNcCDS7c3M/WVv6qKH6nVcACeJ4o2 FE1nLjal4MIrb4ogRyhfDkM= =Sj2/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2TEB9zE9jLORvm3o-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 10:10:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A472016A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:10:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A4243D3F for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:10:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CpOPq-0005H7-Fh; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:10:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:10:50 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Peter Benjamin Message-ID: <20050114101050.GM49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Peter Benjamin , www@FreeBSD.org References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050113160516.0355bb90@peterbenjamin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dhZ3knqQgU5Th7HD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050113160516.0355bb90@peterbenjamin.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ORA 'BSD Hacks' Book not on publish.html page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:10:51 -0000 --dhZ3knqQgU5Th7HD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:08:19PM -0800, Peter Benjamin wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/publish.html >=20 > states: >=20 > If you know of any additional FreeBSD publications/CDROMs let us know, > at www@FreeBSD.org, so that they may be added > to this site.=20 >=20 > The ORA book "BSD Hacks" is not on this list. True enough - I'll drop Dru a line and sort it out. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --dhZ3knqQgU5Th7HD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB55qqocfcwTS3JF8RApiiAKCeMtz2TY3PGBujO24akHWwIK9mDwCgv3WP HDH8KhXKGK44YR6iQBcRZC8= =mBX6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dhZ3knqQgU5Th7HD-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 13:51:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9688216A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:51:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bragi.msys.ch (bragi.msys.ch [157.161.101.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB8C43D41 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:51:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@etc.msys.ch) Received: from [192.168.1.26] (gw42.msys.ch [157.161.101.97]) j0EDpdRJ026057 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:51:40 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6A600352-6633-11D9-A5EE-0003938168B2@etc.msys.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: www@FreeBSD.org From: Marc balmer Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:51:39 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: EuroBSDCon 2005 URL X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:51:43 -0000 Can you please change the URL of EuroBSDCon 2005 from http://www.eurobsdcon.org/ to http://2005.eurobsdcon.org/? Both URLs point to the same site at the moment, but after the event, only 2005.eurobsdcon.org will point to the 2005 website. Thanks, Marc Balmer From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 14 14:12:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551A416A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:12:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smartmx-01.inode.at (smartmx-01.inode.at [213.229.60.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D9843D1F for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:12:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from E.Perz@SimTechnology.com) Received: from [83.64.108.42] (port=4964 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smartmx-01.inode.at with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CpSBR-0002hR-N5 for www@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:12:13 +0100 Message-ID: <41E7D54B.9080403@SimTechnology.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:20:59 +0100 From: Erhard Perz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD Press X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:12:17 -0000 Hi, I guess the press section could cope with some updating. There is another story that you possibly want to include in the "press" section: "Upgrading to FreeBSD 5.3" http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/6033 Erhard Perz From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 15 00:08:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6947816A4CE for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:08:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C69D43D2F for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:08:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CpbUT-000LeK-E1; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:08:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:08:29 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Marc balmer Message-ID: <20050115000829.GA49329@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Marc balmer , www@FreeBSD.org References: <6A600352-6633-11D9-A5EE-0003938168B2@etc.msys.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vVpwErOmq4St3IV6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6A600352-6633-11D9-A5EE-0003938168B2@etc.msys.ch> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: EuroBSDCon 2005 URL X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:08:30 -0000 --vVpwErOmq4St3IV6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 02:51:39PM +0100, Marc balmer wrote: > Can you please change the URL of EuroBSDCon 2005 from=20 > http://www.eurobsdcon.org/ to http://2005.eurobsdcon.org/? >=20 > Both URLs point to the same site at the moment, but after the event,=20 > only 2005.eurobsdcon.org will point to the 2005 website. Good point - done. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --vVpwErOmq4St3IV6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB6F79ocfcwTS3JF8RAot6AKC3A4MPwTEGWZnD2jesE7sR2+0hlgCeLXxG 3j3Nm7+VP9ERdKUx1TECc1k= =VyJ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vVpwErOmq4St3IV6-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 15 17:34:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CB316A4CE; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:34:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (vlsi00.si.noda.tus.ac.jp [133.31.130.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96ED443D4C; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:34:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p27127-adsau14honb8-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.107.9.127]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FHYltx063069; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:34:49 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0FHYU3Z097240; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:34:31 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:34:15 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050116.023415.10192844.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: www@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <200501151724.j0FHO15Y059090@www.freebsd.org> References: <200501151724.j0FHO15Y059090@www.freebsd.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.1.53 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sun_Jan_16_02_34_15_2005_492)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 17:34:51 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Jan_16_02_34_15_2005_492)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit World Wide Web Owner wrote in <200501151724.j0FHO15Y059090@www.freebsd.org>: www> ===> projects/bigdisk www> /usr/bin/sed -e 's///' index.sgml | /usr/bin/env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm -d -ifreebsd.urls.absolute -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog -D /w/www/build/www/en/projects/bigdisk > index.html || (/bin/rm -f index.html && false) www> /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:178:6:E: general entity "a.pb" not defined and no default entity www> /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:244:7:E: document type does not allow element "H2" here www> /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:245:6:E: document type does not allow element "P" here www> /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:248:19:E: document type does not allow element "TABLE" here www> /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:280:10:E: document type does not allow element "HR" here www> /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:280:10:E: document type does not allow element "ADDRESS" here www> /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:281:8:E: end tag for "TABLE" omitted, but its declaration does not permit this www> /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:226:4: start tag was here www> *** Error code 1 Fixed. -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Jan_16_02_34_15_2005_492)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBB6VQZTyzT2CeTzy0RAhklAKC1leqminPb2XBp2+XJLuqbsEPbUQCeODJq K7A5TeFlbEjH8OaAecLlPZc= =dNkU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Jan_16_02_34_15_2005_492)----