From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 00:02:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1837C16A41F for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:02:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aw@rackmountmart.com) Received: from web1.tmchost.com (web1.tmchost.com [66.17.159.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D7C43D46 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:02:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aw@rackmountmart.com) Received: (qmail 5329 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2005 18:55:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Oct 2005 18:55:08 -0700 Received: from adsl-68-127-181-202.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net (adsl-68-127-181-202.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.127.181.202]) by webmail.rackmountmart.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:55:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20051002185508.o3tj7593e2o0s48w@webmail.rackmountmart.com> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:55:08 -0700 From: Amanda Wong To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Cc: Subject: Request to add link X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 00:02:44 -0000 Hi there, Greetings! We are a Linux, FreeBSD Rackmount LCD Monitor keyboard Drawer and Rackmount chassis and server manufacturer and distributor. Would you consider listing our url http://www.RackmountMart.com in your site ? Thanks for your attention and look forward to hearing from you soon. Best Regards, Amanda Wang Webmaster http://www.RackmountMart.com From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 04:25:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B7F16A41F for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:25:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA8643D46 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:25:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31AD930D59; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23665-05; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4340B2F2.1050006@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:26:26 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amanda Wong , www@freebsd.org References: <20051002185508.o3tj7593e2o0s48w@webmail.rackmountmart.com> In-Reply-To: <20051002185508.o3tj7593e2o0s48w@webmail.rackmountmart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: Subject: Re: Request to add link X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:25:02 -0000 Amanda Wong wrote: > Hi there, > > Greetings! We are a Linux, FreeBSD Rackmount LCD Monitor keyboard Drawer and > Rackmount chassis and server manufacturer and distributor. Would you consider > listing our url http://www.RackmountMart.com in your site ? > > Thanks for your attention and look forward to hearing from you soon. > > > Best Regards, > Amanda Wang > Webmaster > http://www.RackmountMart.com > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-www@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-www-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi Amanda, We can add you to our hardware vendor list like http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/hardware.html and it would be best if you submit the previous words via http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html That way we can keep track of the request and then we do not forget that the request is in place. Thanks in advance, -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 11:02:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8283616A441 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:02:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7410543D5C for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:02:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j93B2Qih066471 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:02:26 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j93B2QmI066465 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:02:26 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:02:26 GMT Message-Id: <200510031102.j93B2QmI066465@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:02:45 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2003/04/18] www/51135 www Problems with the mailing-lists search in o [2004/03/06] www/63854 www PR-web page loses text 2 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/03/07] www/35647 www www; combine query-by-number and multi-fi s [2002/05/24] www/38500 www gnats web form is overenthusiastic about o [2002/08/06] www/41379 www Cannot browse directory tree on FreeBSD m o [2002/10/17] www/44181 www www "Release Information" organization o [2004/01/24] www/61824 www Misleading documentation on FreeBSD insta o [2004/06/04] www/67554 www man-cgi visual glitch on 3-word titles o [2004/11/05] www/73549 www Mail list archive navigation difficulty o [2004/11/05] www/73551 www List archive 'quoted-printable' corruptio o [2005/01/05] www/75830 www ports.cgi used ports/INDEX from CVS o [2005/08/08] www/84675 www Dangling symlinks o [2005/08/27] www/85333 www BSDTechTalk community with tutorials is n 11 problems total. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 04:40:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C445A16A420 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:40:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C7A43D4C for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:40:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j944eHv9012838 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:40:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j944eHWf012837; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:40:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:40:17 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510040440.j944eHWf012837@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, ThanhNguyen Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9EB16A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:36:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04E343D46 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:36:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j944aJl4055454 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:36:19 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j944aJ3M055452; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:36:19 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510040436.j944aJ3M055452@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:36:19 GMT From: ThanhNguyen To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/86881: hacktek X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 04:40:18 -0000 >Number: 86881 >Category: www >Synopsis: hacktek >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Oct 04 04:40:17 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: ThanhNguyen >Release: ADMtek AL981 >Organization: Home >Environment: >Description: Driver Lan ADMtek AL981 Comet >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 05:19:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167C616A420; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:19:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9DC43D45; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:19:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j945JniZ018399; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:19:49 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j945JnQd018395; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:19:49 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:19:49 GMT From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200510040519.j945JnQd018395@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sinhvienthilai@gmail.com, linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86881: hacktek X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 05:19:50 -0000 Synopsis: hacktek State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: linimon State-Changed-When: Tue Oct 4 05:19:23 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: I'm sorry, but there is not enough information here to determine what, if any, problem there is. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86881 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 11:40:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF07816A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:40:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F007F43D46 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:40:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94BeGOd062679 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:40:16 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j94BeG8X062678; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:40:16 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:40:16 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510041140.j94BeG8X062678@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Stanislav Nadelyaev Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC25A16A421 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:34:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E88443D5A for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:34:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94BYvqk064225 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:34:57 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j94BYv72064224; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:34:57 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510041134.j94BYv72064224@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:34:57 GMT From: Stanislav Nadelyaev To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/86888: new motherboard for the amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:40:18 -0000 >Number: 86888 >Category: www >Synopsis: new motherboard for the amd64 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Oct 04 11:40:16 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Stanislav Nadelyaev >Release: FreeBSD 6.0-BETA5 >Organization: BMSTU >Environment: FreeBSD amd64.domain.local 6.0-BETA5 FreeBSD 6.0-BETA5 #0: Mon Oct 3 16:42:37 MSD 2005 root@amd64.domain.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >Description: Motheboard: Asus A8N-E. Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: FreeBSD 6.0-BETA5 #0: Mon Oct 3 16:42:37 MSD 2005 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: root@amd64.domain.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ACPI APIC Table: Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ (1809.28-MHz K8-class CPU) Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x20ff0 Stepping = 0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Features=0x78bfbff Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Features2=0x1 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: AMD Features=0xe2500800,LM,3DNow+,3DNow> Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: real memory = 1073676288 (1023 MB) Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: avail memory = 1025404928 (977 MB) Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acpi0: on motherboard Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acpi_bus_number: can't get _ADR Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acpi_bus_number: can't get _ADR Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acpi_bus_number: can't get _ADR Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acpi_bus_number: can't get _ADR Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link0: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link1: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link2: irq 3 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link3: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link4: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link5: irq 3 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link6: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link7: irq 5 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link8: irq 11 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link9: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link10: irq 5 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link11: irq 11 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link12: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link13: irq 11 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link14: irq 5 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link15: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link16: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link17: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link18: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link19: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link20: irq 16 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link21: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link22: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link23: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link24: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link25: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link26: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link27: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link28: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link29: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link30: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link31: irq 0 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x4008-0x400b on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: cpu0: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acpi_button0: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link26: BIOS IRQ 5 for -2145780824.1.INTA is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link21: BIOS IRQ 3 for -2145780824.2.INTA is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link27: BIOS IRQ 11 for -2145780824.2.INTB is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link23: BIOS IRQ 5 for -2145780824.10.INTA is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link24: BIOS IRQ 11 for -2145780824.4.INTA is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link29: BIOS IRQ 11 for -2145780824.7.INTA is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link30: BIOS IRQ 5 for -2145780824.8.INTA is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci0: on pcib0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci0: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: isab0: at device 1.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: isa0: on isab0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci0: at device 1.1 (no driver attached) Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ohci0: mem 0xd3004000-0xd3004fff irq 21 at device 2.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: usb0: on ohci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: usb0: USB revision 1.0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: uhub0: nVidia OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: uhub0: 10 ports with 10 removable, self powered Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ehci0: mem 0xfeb00000-0xfeb000ff irq 22 at device 2.1 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: usb1: EHCI version 1.0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: usb1: companion controller, 4 ports each: usb0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: usb1: on ehci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: usb1: USB revision 2.0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: uhub1: nVidia EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: uhub1: 10 ports with 10 removable, self powered Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci0: at device 4.0 (no driver attached) Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xf000-0xf00f at device 6.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ata0: on atapci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ata1: on atapci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: atapci1: port 0x9f0-0x9f7,0xbf0-0xbf3,0x970-0x977,0xb70-0xb73,0xd800-0xd80f mem 0xd3002000-0xd3002fff irq 21 at device 7.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ata2: on atapci1 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ata3: on atapci1 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: atapci2: port 0x9e0-0x9e7,0xbe0-0xbe3,0x960-0x967,0xb60-0xb63,0xc400-0xc40f mem 0xd3001000-0xd3001fff irq 22 at device 8.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ata4: on atapci2 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ata5: on atapci2 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pcib1: at device 9.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link17: BIOS IRQ 21 for 0.7.INTA is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link18: BIOS IRQ 22 for 0.8.INTA is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci_link18: BIOS IRQ 23 for 0.10.INTA is invalid Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci5: on pcib1 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: nve0: port 0xb000-0xb007 mem 0xd3000000-0xd3000fff irq 23 at device 10.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: nve0: Ethernet address 00:11:d8:bc:6d:90 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: miibus0: on nve0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ukphy0: on miibus0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-FDX, auto Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: nve0: Ethernet address: 00:11:d8:bc:6d:90 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: nve0: [GIANT-LOCKED] Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pcib2: at device 11.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci4: on pcib2 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pcib3: at device 12.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci3: on pcib3 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pcib4: at device 13.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci2: on pcib4 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pcib5: at device 14.0 on pci0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci1: on pcib5 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: pci1: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acpi_tz0: on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: fdc0: [FAST] Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: sio0: type 16550A Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77b irq 7 drq 3 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ppbus0: on ppc0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: plip0: on ppbus0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: lpt0: on ppbus0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ppi0: on ppbus0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: kbd0 at atkbd0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: psm0: model IntelliMouse Explorer, device ID 4 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: orm0: at iomem 0xd0000-0xd3fff on isa0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: sio1: port may not be enabled Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1809281032 Hz quality 800 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acd0: DMA limited to UDMA33, device found non-ATA66 cable Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: acd0: DVDROM at ata1-master UDMA33 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: ad8: 238475MB at ata4-master SATA150 Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 kernel: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad8s1a Oct 4 14:35:44 amd64 savecore: no dumps found Oct 4 14:35:46 amd64 kernel: nve0: link state changed to UP >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Notes: On-board nForce ethernet controller (nve(4)) works fine. SATA works fine. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 11:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D8416A459; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:42:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775C643D46; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:42:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (pav@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94Bg8Kn062839; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:42:08 GMT (envelope-from pav@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from pav@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j94Bg8Wl062835; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:42:08 GMT (envelope-from pav) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:42:08 GMT From: Pav Lucistnik Message-Id: <200510041142.j94Bg8Wl062835@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pav@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, pav@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86888: new motherboard for the amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:42:08 -0000 Synopsis: new motherboard for the amd64 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->pav Responsible-Changed-By: pav Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Oct 4 11:42:02 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Take http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86888 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 17:20:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D3A16A422 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:20:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F3943D46 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:20:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j94HKGN9007347 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:20:16 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j94HKGux007346; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:20:16 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:20:16 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510041720.j94HKGux007346@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Roderick Shilling Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A652116A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:13:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C21943D45 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:13:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94HD7nt040125 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:13:07 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j94HD75d040124; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:13:07 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510041713.j94HD75d040124@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:13:07 GMT From: Roderick Shilling To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: www/86898: X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:20:17 -0000 >Number: 86898 >Category: www >Synopsis: >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Oct 04 17:20:16 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Roderick Shilling >Release: >Organization: Orbit Micro >Environment: >Description: Orbit Micro is a system integrator of servers, workstations, industrial computers and networking products. Our application design approach allows us to maximize performance for your computing needs. Our product line also includes a vareity of computer components and peripherals as well as software. Contact us at sales@orbitmicro.com to speak to a sales engineer or if you have questions or comments. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: Would like to be added to Hardware Vendors category X-REMOTE_ADDR-Is-Open-Proxy: Maybe X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Would like to be added to Hardware Vendors category From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 23:09:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B70516A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:09:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from mailout1.pacific.net.au (mailout1.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1B343D45 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:09:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from mailproxy1.pacific.net.au (mailproxy1.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.86]) by mailout1.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j94N9oOI006726; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:09:50 +1000 Received: from dirk.no.domain (ppp2575.dyn.pacific.net.au [61.8.37.117]) by mailproxy1.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j94N9b1H006747; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:09:49 +1000 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:10:24 +1000 From: Sam Lawrance To: emilyboyd@emilyboyd.com Message-ID: <20051005091024.2f3866c9@dirk.no.domain> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.14 (GTK+ 2.6.10; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: new design feedback X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:09:56 -0000 Nice work :-) I have some early (perhaps too early? :) feedback. Some pages don't render as desired when viewed with Safari (maybe konqueror too) or IE5.2 for Mac. I built from perforce and cvs with same effect. On Safari - front page - the grey boxes at bottom appear stacked on top of each other. http://people.freebsd.org/~lawrance/safari-front.jpg On IE - front page - the content above the grey boxes is clustered at top left and bottom right, leaving large areas of whitespace everywhere else. http://people.freebsd.org/~lawrance/ie-front.jpg On IE - docs, get freebsd, support pages - the main content is positioned below the bottom of the grey navigation box at left, leaving large areas of whitespace at top right and bottom left. The text in the navigation bar is positioned below where it should be. http://people.freebsd.org/~lawrance/ie-docs.jpg Cheers Sam From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 23:20:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDAA16A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:20:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from mailout1.pacific.net.au (mailout1.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770AE43D46 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:20:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from mailproxy1.pacific.net.au (mailproxy1.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.86]) by mailout1.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j94NK3wR010926; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:20:03 +1000 Received: from dirk.no.domain (ppp2575.dyn.pacific.net.au [61.8.37.117]) by mailproxy1.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j94NK1i2010744; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:20:02 +1000 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:20:49 +1000 From: Sam Lawrance To: emily@emilyboyd.com Message-ID: <20051005092049.2fd7a1cb@dirk.no.domain> In-Reply-To: <20051005091024.2f3866c9@dirk.no.domain> References: <20051005091024.2f3866c9@dirk.no.domain> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.14 (GTK+ 2.6.10; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new design feedback X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 23:20:08 -0000 Please tweak any followups to go to emily@emilyboyd.com rather than emilyboyd@emilyboyd.com. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 07:00:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C937B16A41F for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:00:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@bsdforums.org) Received: from baba.edry.com (baba.edry.com [206.168.112.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FCF143D4C for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:00:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@bsdforums.org) Received: (qmail 83575 invoked by uid 7779); 5 Oct 2005 07:00:27 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by baba.edry.com (envelope-from , uid 82) with qmail-scanner-1.25 (clamdscan: 0.83/816. spamassassin: 3.0.2. Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.110153 secs); 05 Oct 2005 07:00:27 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: dan@bsdforums.org via baba.edry.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.110153 secs) Received: from unknown (HELO hawaii.edry.com) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 07:00:27 -0000 Received: from 206.124.1.130 (SquirrelMail authenticated user webinfo) by hawaii.edry.com with HTTP; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:00:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <43640.206.124.1.130.1128495627.squirrel@hawaii.edry.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:00:27 -0600 (MDT) From: "dan@bsdforums.org" To: www@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: Destination FreeBSD: Interview with Release Engineer Scott Long X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:00:32 -0000 If possible, please include this on "FreeBSD in the Press" http://www.freebsd.org/news/press.html: BSDForums interviews FreeBSD Release Engineering Team's Scott Long relating to various aspects of FreeBSD. Topics discussed include FreeBSD general issues, its academic roots, how FreeBSD compares to other BSDs - OpenBSD, NetBSD, and the ongoing debate on FreeBSD vs. Linux. Scott gives us his perspective on the corporate adoption and popularity of FreeBSD. He brings us up to speed on FreeBSD 6.0, its new features and enhancements, including Apple G4 PowerMac, AMD64 and wireless compatibility. Scott also discusses FreeBSD 6.0's upgrade path and release timetable. Interview link: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=35212 Thanks! From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 12:06:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA8E16A41F for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:06:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F3843D48 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:06:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E48930D5A; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:06:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13287-07; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:06:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4343C20E.4060507@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:07:42 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dan@bsdforums.org" References: <43640.206.124.1.130.1128495627.squirrel@hawaii.edry.com> In-Reply-To: <43640.206.124.1.130.1128495627.squirrel@hawaii.edry.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Destination FreeBSD: Interview with Release Engineer Scott Long X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:06:18 -0000 dan@bsdforums.org wrote: > If possible, please include this on "FreeBSD in the Press" > http://www.freebsd.org/news/press.html: > > BSDForums interviews FreeBSD Release Engineering Team's Scott Long > relating to various aspects of FreeBSD. Topics discussed include FreeBSD > general issues, its academic roots, how FreeBSD compares to other BSDs - > OpenBSD, NetBSD, and the ongoing debate on FreeBSD vs. Linux. > > Scott gives us his perspective on the corporate adoption and popularity of > FreeBSD. He brings us up to speed on FreeBSD 6.0, its new features and > enhancements, including Apple G4 PowerMac, AMD64 and wireless > compatibility. Scott also discusses FreeBSD 6.0's upgrade path and release > timetable. > > Interview link: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=35212 > > Thanks! > I am working on it ;-) Cheers, Remko -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 13:12:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D2F16A41F for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:12:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9334943D45 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:12:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8F7930D5A; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:12:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35632-02; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:12:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4343D187.2040200@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:13:43 +0200 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <43640.206.124.1.130.1128495627.squirrel@hawaii.edry.com> <4343C20E.4060507@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4343C20E.4060507@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: "dan@bsdforums.org" , www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Destination FreeBSD: Interview with Release Engineer Scott Long X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:12:17 -0000 Remko Lodder wrote: > > I am working on it ;-) > Done, it had been imported into the FreeBSD in the Press section. It can take a little to come up on the pages, since we are redesigning the site and therefore disabled the www build for the time being. This should however not take too long. Thanks for the submission Dan! -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 13:31:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C881D16A41F; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:31:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B25E43D4C; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:31:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 17CF911A31A; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:32:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:32:36 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Hiroki Sato Message-ID: <20051005133236.GA95134@eddie.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Japanese www build fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:31:41 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Hiroki, When I try to build the web site the Japaneese part fails with: =3D=3D=3D> en/../ja/doc/books/ppp-primer install -c -o simon -g simon -m 444 $(/usr/bin/xargs < HTML.manifest) /dum= pster/home/simon/build/www/ja/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer install -c -o simon -g simon -m 444 docbook.css /dumpster/home/simon/build= /www/ja/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer install -c -o simon -g simon -m 444 book.html /dumpster/home/simon/build/w= ww/ja/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer install -c -o simon -g simon -m 444 docbook.css /dumpster/home/simon/build= /www/ja/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer /dumpster/home/simon/build/www/ja/doc/ja doesn't exist, not linking [simon@freefall:www]=20 Does this also happe for you? I can try to look at it when I get home tonight. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDQ9X0h9pcDSc1mlERArK4AJ0Zx/UZAetC6fs0U3eB89de4J5oGgCfb4Lh HiRC6GuTrYGae2wBZCRzhE4= =xwB4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 13:58:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61B216A41F; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:58:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (vlsi00.si.noda.tus.ac.jp [133.31.130.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB6343D45; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:58:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p13123-adsau14honb8-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.106.49.123]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95DwdZl026259; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:58:41 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j95DwLW7012314; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:58:21 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:58:17 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20051005.225817.78747853.hrs@allbsd.org> To: simon@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20051005133236.GA95134@eddie.nitro.dk> References: <20051005133236.GA95134@eddie.nitro.dk> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.52 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Wed_Oct__5_22_58_17_2005_508)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Japanese www build fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:58:44 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Oct__5_22_58_17_2005_508)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Simon L. Nielsen" wrote in <20051005133236.GA95134@eddie.nitro.dk>: si> install -c -o simon -g simon -m 444 docbook.css /dumpster/home/simon/build/www/ja/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer si> /dumpster/home/simon/build/www/ja/doc/ja doesn't exist, not linking si> [simon@freefall:www] si> si> Does this also happe for you? I can try to look at it when I get home si> tonight. This was not a fatal error but was a kind of logical error in doc.subdir.mk. I fixed it just now. Thanks! -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Oct__5_22_58_17_2005_508)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDQ9v6TyzT2CeTzy0RArSQAJ9TYiI9NgwSj9Q9tEWd7l7C90VqOACg3mLp NHolbEnVL3/1V6ryTc0CWDA= =4YyZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Wed_Oct__5_22_58_17_2005_508)---- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 14:46:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4C916A41F; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:46:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soc-emily@freebsd.org) Received: from vorlon.rememberthemilk.com (vorlon.rememberthemilk.com [72.21.39.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4E943D7D; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:46:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soc-emily@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vorlon.rememberthemilk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DDEFC01C; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vorlon.rememberthemilk.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vorlon.rememberthemilk.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20203-10; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [131.229.165.130]) by vorlon.rememberthemilk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69378FC015; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4343E73A.1050700@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:46:18 -0400 From: Emily Boyd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Lawrance References: <20051005091024.2f3866c9@dirk.no.domain> In-Reply-To: <20051005091024.2f3866c9@dirk.no.domain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rememberthemilk.com Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new design feedback X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:46:33 -0000 Sam, > I have some early (perhaps too early? :) feedback. Some pages don't > render as desired when viewed with Safari (maybe konqueror too) or > IE5.2 for Mac. I built from perforce and cvs with same effect. Can you let me know if you're experiencing this problem on my site? http://beastie.emilyboyd.com/~emily/data/ This is the latest version, and renders fine for me in both Safari and Konqueror. The problem with IE 5.2 is that the browser doesn't handle floats in CSS well - I'll see if there is a workaround for this. Emily From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 15:56:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9219E16A41F for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:56:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (smtprelay01.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D54143D4C for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:56:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: (qmail 25637 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 15:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([pbs]775067@[217.187.178.3]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay01.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Oct 2005 15:56:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:56:56 +0200 From: Fabian Keil To: Emily Boyd Message-ID: <20051005175656.2b6c7cc7@localhost> In-Reply-To: <4343E73A.1050700@freebsd.org> References: <20051005091024.2f3866c9@dirk.no.domain> <4343E73A.1050700@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.14 (GTK+ 2.6.4; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) X-PGP-KEY-URL: http://www.fabiankeil.de/gpg-keys/freebsd-listen-2006-08-19.asc X-Face: `PhZA=Lxak@TtN(1g, #<&MCpy@&]f<.#LD|V?.7uN7(:.RP/8s&S, oWJtD[Xd4(_YsBm?fGC OLJGk9OysbMQE%?&$, M[odvx9[[`'F\@JjAC@w4X6/-Gr^apr)f''exvwLOUalUW?~>frSC-Y]0v9, U4"Hz]~H&ZP%S1YJV@MfDIDu2>cw~wMiCW#9PY: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Signature_Wed__5_Oct_2005_17_56_56_+0200_xjbj31ySI2O55mtU; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new design feedback X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:56:28 -0000 --Signature_Wed__5_Oct_2005_17_56_56_+0200_xjbj31ySI2O55mtU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Emily Boyd wrote: > > I have some early (perhaps too early? :) feedback. Some pages don't > > render as desired when viewed with Safari (maybe konqueror too) or > > IE5.2 for Mac. I built from perforce and cvs with same effect. >=20 > Can you let me know if you're experiencing this problem on my site? >=20 > http://beastie.emilyboyd.com/~emily/data/ >=20 > This is the latest version, and renders fine for me in both Safari and > Konqueror. With absolute sizes you are asking for trouble if the user's default font size differs from your expectations. With my usual settings the support link doesn't fit: http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/new-freebsd.org-design-firefox-default-setting= s-612x459.jpg With a slightly increased default font size it gets worse: http://www.fabiankeil.de/tmp/new-freebsd.org-design-firefox-increased-font-= size-612x459.jpg Fabian --=20 http://www.fabiankeil.de/ --Signature_Wed__5_Oct_2005_17_56_56_+0200_xjbj31ySI2O55mtU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDQ/fbjV8GA4rMKUQRAlf3AKCPrJQCAxtN4ZQE/jFMDsiVSjDdcQCdHZcq hKoArYXyPyzTAYbyvH3VZOU= =lSoY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Wed__5_Oct_2005_17_56_56_+0200_xjbj31ySI2O55mtU-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 21:56:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381FF16A41F; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:56:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D431043D5C; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:56:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 3D6B911AD1; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:56:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:56:55 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: World Wide Web Owner Message-ID: <20051005215654.GJ898@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <200510052147.j95LlTqo043318@www.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VSaCG/zfRnOiPJtU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510052147.j95LlTqo043318@www.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:56:58 -0000 --VSaCG/zfRnOiPJtU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.05 21:47:29 +0000, World Wide Web Owner wrote: [...] > /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null -asxml policies.ht= ml > *** Error code 1 (ignored) > /usr/bin/perl5 /w/www/build/www/en/internal/homepage.pl > homepage.inc > /usr/bin/sed -e 's/= //' homepage.sgml | /usr/bin/env SGML_C= ATALOG_FILES=3D /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm -d -ifreebsd.urls.absolute -c /usr= /local/share/sgml/html/catalog -D /w/www/build/www/ru/internal > homepage.h= tml || (/bin/rm -f homepage.html && false) > /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm:0:5:61:E: cannot find "../../includes.navdo= cs.sgml"; tried "../../includes.navdocs.sgml", "/w/www/build/www/ru/interna= l/../../includes.navdocs.sgml" > *** Error code 1 Fixed. Just ignore any build error for the next hour or so - I'm restarting builds manually and fixing problems if/when I encounter them. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --VSaCG/zfRnOiPJtU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDREwmh9pcDSc1mlERApZJAKCphBILC9peZTlIuyO4ykIOLSDutwCfYfpx 8LJytNre3tdCx6vTM1B9pFI= =CmuV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VSaCG/zfRnOiPJtU-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 23:16:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65BF16A41F; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:16:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from mailout1.pacific.net.au (mailout1.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F5D43D45; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:16:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from mailproxy2.pacific.net.au (mailproxy2.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.87]) by mailout1.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j95NGNvl013170; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:16:23 +1000 Received: from dirk.no.domain (ppp2F1C.dyn.pacific.net.au [61.8.47.28]) by mailproxy2.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j95NGKLT022502; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:16:21 +1000 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:17:04 +1000 From: Sam Lawrance To: Emily Boyd Message-ID: <20051006091704.3be65c3c@dirk.no.domain> In-Reply-To: <4343E73A.1050700@freebsd.org> References: <20051005091024.2f3866c9@dirk.no.domain> <4343E73A.1050700@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.14 (GTK+ 2.6.10; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new design feedback X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:16:26 -0000 On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:46:18 -0400 Emily Boyd wrote: > Sam, > > > I have some early (perhaps too early? :) feedback. Some pages don't > > render as desired when viewed with Safari (maybe konqueror too) or > > IE5.2 for Mac. I built from perforce and cvs with same effect. > > Can you let me know if you're experiencing this problem on my site? > > http://beastie.emilyboyd.com/~emily/data/ > > This is the latest version, and renders fine for me in both Safari and > Konqueror. The same problems occur for me with that site. Others don't seem to have this problem. Maybe it's specific to this version of Safari (1.2.4 v125.12). - Sam From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 23:25:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0B416A42F; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:25:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [216.201.118.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCAF43D48; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:25:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514D6611C; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:25:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01602-09; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [216.201.118.138] (racerx.makeworld.com [216.201.118.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBDD610B; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <434460D8.5040806@makeworld.com> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:25:12 -0500 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050930) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <43445708.1060702@makeworld.com> <43445C29.1090106@viviotech.net> <20051005231924.GA49555@holestein.holy.cow> In-Reply-To: <20051005231924.GA49555@holestein.holy.cow> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 OpenPGP: id=C01BC363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.3.3 (20050822) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic Cc: Jordan Michaels , FreeBSD - Questions Subject: Re: OT: New design X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: RacerX@makeworld.com List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:25:19 -0000 Parv wrote: > (Followup set to -www.) > > > in message <43445C29.1090106@viviotech.net>, > wrote Jordan Michaels thusly... > >>*Much* better. =) More professional like FreeBSD should be... > > > Not really. Near the area around "Based on BSD UNIX", i see in > Opera red title "Based on..." and black blurb on dark brown > background color (specified in Opera by me), making it hard to read. > Then there are also the links in red, of course, on dark background, > making it hard to read. I dunno - I dont see a dark brown background where you say it is. It's white to me. Again, the links in red on a dark background? Mayb try out Firefox. I see a heck of a lot of white background where you say its either brown or dark. > > -- Best regards, Chris Please don't steal, the IRS hates competition! From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 23:48:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478D116A420 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:48:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698C443D46 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:48:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.76.67]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051005234759.OBZU16334.mta10.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net>; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:47:59 -0400 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6E350B66B; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:48:04 -0400 From: Parv To: Chris Message-ID: <20051005234804.GA50135@holestein.holy.cow> References: <43445708.1060702@makeworld.com> <43445C29.1090106@viviotech.net> <20051005231924.GA49555@holestein.holy.cow> <434460D8.5040806@makeworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <434460D8.5040806@makeworld.com> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: New design X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:48:01 -0000 in message <434460D8.5040806@makeworld.com>, wrote Chris thusly... > > Parv wrote: > > > > in message <43445C29.1090106@viviotech.net>, wrote Jordan > > Michaels thusly... > > > >>*Much* better. =) More professional like FreeBSD should be... > > > > Not really. Near the area around "Based on BSD UNIX", i see in > > Opera red title "Based on..." and black blurb on dark brown > > background color (specified in Opera by me), making it hard to > > read. Then there are also the links in red, of course, on dark > > background, making it hard to read. > > I dunno - I dont see a dark brown background where you say it is. > It's white to me. > > Again, the links in red on a dark background? Mayb try out > Firefox. I see a heck of a lot of white background where you say > its either brown or dark. Tell me this, what is the background color set in your favourite browser? And here is the image (110kB; in "Author mode" to use page's css, fonts, & colors, not from user specified preferences) in its ugliness ... http://www103.pair.com/parv/tmp/freebsd-no-background-color.png - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 00:32:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7AD16A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:32:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from killing@multiplay.co.uk) Received: from multiplay.co.uk (core6.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098FF43D48; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:32:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from killing@multiplay.co.uk) Received: from vader ([212.135.219.179]) by multiplay.co.uk (multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.23]) (MDaemon.PRO.v8.1.3.R) with ESMTP id md50001881351.msg; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:32:28 +0100 Message-ID: <019701c5ca0d$6db9dcd0$b3db87d4@multiplay.co.uk> From: "Steven Hartland" To: "Murray Stokely" , References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:32:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Spam-Processed: multiplay.co.uk, Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:32:28 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 212.135.219.179 X-Return-Path: killing@multiplay.co.uk X-MDAV-Processed: multiplay.co.uk, Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:32:29 +0100 Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:32:45 -0000 Looks cool will have a play tomorrow but, your missing a background colour which makes it all a bit odd for those of us which dont have a white BG colour :P Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Stokely" > The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website > today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you > think. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith > College that we had the pleasure of working with through Google's > Summer of Code program. ================================================ This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to postmaster@multiplay.co.uk. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 00:36:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D3F16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:36:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from micahjon@ywave.com) Received: from smtpout1.ywave.com (ycomradius.yelmtel.com [216.227.100.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6237A43D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:36:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from micahjon@ywave.com) Received: (qmail 16884 invoked by uid 502); 6 Oct 2005 00:36:09 -0000 Received: from dsl28217.ywave.com (HELO ?192.168.1.65?) (micahjon@ywave.com@216.227.115.217) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 00:36:09 -0000 X-CLIENT-IP: 216.227.115.217 X-CLIENT-HOST: dsl28217.ywave.com Message-ID: <43447178.7030103@ywave.com> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:36:08 -0700 From: Micah User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20050930) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RacerX@makeworld.com References: <43445708.1060702@makeworld.com> <43445C29.1090106@viviotech.net> <20051005231924.GA49555@holestein.holy.cow> <434460D8.5040806@makeworld.com> In-Reply-To: <434460D8.5040806@makeworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, FreeBSD - Questions Subject: Re: OT: New design X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:36:11 -0000 Chris wrote: >Parv wrote: > > >>(Followup set to -www.) >> >> >>in message <43445C29.1090106@viviotech.net>, >>wrote Jordan Michaels thusly... >> >> >> >>>*Much* better. =) More professional like FreeBSD should be... >>> >>> >>Not really. Near the area around "Based on BSD UNIX", i see in >>Opera red title "Based on..." and black blurb on dark brown >>background color (specified in Opera by me), making it hard to read. >>Then there are also the links in red, of course, on dark background, >>making it hard to read. >> >> > >I dunno - I dont see a dark brown background where you say it is. It's >white to me. > >Again, the links in red on a dark background? Mayb try out Firefox. I >see a heck of a lot of white background where you say its either brown >or dark > For you it's a white background. For me in konqueror is's a pale blue (my default window color) and grey in Firefox (again, my default browser color). By the looks of the rounded buttons, a white background is expected but not provided by the site. Later, Micah From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 00:40:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFF016A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:40:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mxfep01.bredband.com (mxfep01.bredband.com [195.54.107.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B799743D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:40:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from palle.girgensohn.se ([213.114.205.87] [213.114.205.87]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20051006004048.LBSW9934.mxfep01.bredband.com@palle.girgensohn.se> for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:40:48 +0200 Received: from palle.girgensohn.se (palle.girgensohn.se [127.0.0.1]) by palle.girgensohn.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBFA17BD3 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:40:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:40:48 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="==========B6E29C6193146C4BADB9==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:40:50 -0000 --==========B6E29C6193146C4BADB9========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Looks very neat! Great work! Just one small detail; You should set the background colour to white, or not set the daemon image on a white background. See enclosed image. Cheers, Palle --On onsdag, oktober 05, 2005 17.12.14 -0700 Murray Stokely wrote: > The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website > today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you > think. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith > College that we had the pleasure of working with through Google's > Summer of Code program. > > We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate and more > aesthetically pleasing. We look forward to improving the site further > over the coming weeks as we work to bring a fresh face to the FreeBSD > web presence. > > To learn more about the other great Summer of Code projects that > students completed this summer, please visit: > http://wikitest.freebsd.org/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode2005 > > You may also still see the old design for our website archived at: > http://www.FreeBSD.org/old > > Thanks again to Emily for helping us get the word out about FreeBSD! > Enjoy, > > - FreeBSD WWW Team > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-announce@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-announce > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-announce-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --==========B6E29C6193146C4BADB9==========-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 01:25:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F4116A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:25:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4E743D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:25:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o12so270124qba for ; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:25:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jTH5/woW5TgUbzGytNYbq+MxgGNrUhQqGavdmUu+rKgM2B7ve7QXO41s1mjf+yq5hWWHUjw9w7QPRsGbw2vZKAWdnbqr9Gu4yO14gnvxzfra+DsfCnC7ob4sHOb7ToFWL6y7o9gndkMT8/Cy8VSEmctQ0VL1qDh/RjS/uz3c4ck= Received: by 10.65.40.18 with SMTP id s18mr684393qbj; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 18:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.35.19 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:25:02 +0900 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> Subject: Fwd: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:25:04 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Eric Kjeldergaard Date: 06-Oct-2005 10:19 Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website To: Murray Stokely On 06/10/05, Murray Stokely wrote: > The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website > today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you > think. That is a very refreshing new look. It appears people have already mentioned the background. The button bar could use a :hover attribute that changes the appearance of the active button. (By button bar, I mean the navigation menu that says "Home" "About" and etc.) Also the "Get FreeBSD Now" and "New to FreeBSD?" links might be more obvious as links if they did something on hover (Underlined themselves and brightened text colour?). The only other thing I see offhand is that the current position in the navigation menu is visually unclear. For instance, if I click on "About" in the main navigation menu, there is nothing indicating that I am under the "About" navigation tree. The same applies to the secondary menus. If I click on "News" in the secondary menu, it would be nice to see where in both the secondary tree and the primary one I am. While the first item in the sub-menu for each primary navigation entry does have it's top entry match, the header for the column does not exactly match the secondary navigation item that was selected. My 2$B1_(B, Eric -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 01:25:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E6616A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:25:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael@endbracket.net) Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A56243D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:25:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael@endbracket.net) Received: from 203-214-90-19.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO mail.endbracket.net) ([203.214.90.19]) by ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2005 09:25:38 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from [127.0.0.1] (eagle.endbracket.net [192.168.1.254]) by mail.endbracket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FB336991 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:25:36 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <43447D6A.70506@endbracket.net> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:27:06 +1000 From: Michael Wardle User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0+ (Windows/20050531) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: love the new look X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:25:40 -0000 Hi The new site looks excellent. I used to accept the previous site, since it contained most of the information I was looking for and was the best FreeBSD resource available. The new site is obviously far more visually attractive, thus appealing to new users and corporate types, while retaining the old site's usefulness. I'm a big fan of the main horizontal navigation bar and the arrangement of the site. A lot of other sites that use a similar format to your new site don't have the content categorized nearly as well. The description on the front page says "Based on BSD UNIX(R)". I thought BSD wasn't allowed to call itself UNIX. I guess you've already checked into this? Thanks From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 01:28:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC1516A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:28:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (gate.funkthat.com [69.17.45.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D36B43D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:28:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j961SnGx083415 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j961SnXf083414 for freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:28:49 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: FreeBSD WWW Team Message-ID: <20051006012848.GT716@funkthat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p6 i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html Cc: Subject: new layout comment... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:28:50 -0000 Ok, I like the new layout, I just think that the bsd daemon on the front should be facing right, not left... Having him face left makes it like he's going backwards, and also, with the Get FreeBSD Now, having him face that will bring the user's eyes to see HOW to get FreeBSD... at least that's my opinion... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 01:40:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479C516A420 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:40:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF0643D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:40:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j961eJdm077352 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:40:19 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j961eJbE077351; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:40:19 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:40:19 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510060140.j961eJbE077351@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, jm Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF12916A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:34:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD6B43D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:34:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j961YTBi050462 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:34:29 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j961YSu2050461; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:34:28 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510060134.j961YSu2050461@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:34:28 GMT From: jm To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/86964: on my 800x600 monitor, the website needs to be scrolled horizontally even at normal text size. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:40:20 -0000 >Number: 86964 >Category: www >Synopsis: on my 800x600 monitor, the website needs to be scrolled horizontally even at normal text size. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 01:40:19 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: jm >Release: >Organization: >Environment: >Description: on my 800x600 monitor, the website needs to be scrolled horizontally even at normal text size. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 02:29:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90BC16A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:29:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from mailout2.pacific.net.au (mailout2.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3690D43D46; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:29:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from boris@brooknet.com.au) Received: from mailproxy2.pacific.net.au (mailproxy2.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.87]) by mailout2.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j962T1dx015762; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:29:01 +1000 Received: from dirk.no.domain (ppp26CA.dyn.pacific.net.au [61.8.38.202]) by mailproxy2.pacific.net.au (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id j962SweJ008571; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:28:59 +1000 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:29:38 +1000 From: Sam Lawrance To: Emily Boyd Message-ID: <20051006122938.47b80296@dirk.no.domain> In-Reply-To: <4343E73A.1050700@freebsd.org> References: <20051005091024.2f3866c9@dirk.no.domain> <4343E73A.1050700@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.14 (GTK+ 2.6.10; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new design feedback X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:29:04 -0000 On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:46:18 -0400 Emily Boyd wrote: > Sam, > > > I have some early (perhaps too early? :) feedback. Some pages don't > > render as desired when viewed with Safari (maybe konqueror too) or > > IE5.2 for Mac. I built from perforce and cvs with same effect. > > Can you let me know if you're experiencing this problem on my site? > > http://beastie.emilyboyd.com/~emily/data/ > > This is the latest version, and renders fine for me in both Safari and > Konqueror. Removing float: left; from #frontnemscontainer in layout.css makes an interesting change. In Safari the page layout looks correct, but then the gray background no longer shows though. In Moz and IE the appearance stays the same. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 02:29:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E966416A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:29:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85EF43D45; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:29:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id A8FBB1CC5C; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:29:11 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Micah Message-ID: <20051006022911.GI63073@freebsdmall.com> References: <43445708.1060702@makeworld.com> <43445C29.1090106@viviotech.net> <20051005231924.GA49555@holestein.holy.cow> <434460D8.5040806@makeworld.com> <43447178.7030103@ywave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43447178.7030103@ywave.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, RacerX@makeworld.com, FreeBSD - Questions Subject: Re: OT: New design X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:29:12 -0000 On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 05:36:08PM -0700, Micah wrote: > For you it's a white background. For me in konqueror is's a pale blue > (my default window color) and grey in Firefox (again, my default browser > color). By the looks of the rounded buttons, a white background is > expected but not provided by the site. This has been fixed in CVS btw, and will go live shortly. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 03:03:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D4D16A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:03:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from steve@waits.net) Received: from mx.waits.net (waits.net [66.27.52.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C464A43D46; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:03:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from steve@waits.net) Received: from mx.waits.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dspam.waits.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74573E69; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.197] (host-197.waits.net [192.168.0.197]) by mx.waits.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BE43E67; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:03:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <370B6709-CA93-4E4D-AF80-0005E45118F9@waits.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephen Waits Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:02:57 -0700 To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Gpgmail-State: signed X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6169 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-DSPAM-Signature: 434493f4453341128520567 X-CLAMAV-Result: Clean Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:03:19 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 5, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Murray Stokely wrote: > The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website > today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you > think. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith > College that we had the pleasure of working with through Google's > Summer of Code program. Tell Emily it looks great! Nice job! - --Steve -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDRJPlnnOWIarjHBkRAscWAJ9AQlD/hUKNeYP1CaByBfRBk5x+uQCfc1De IWyVLZMj/Zm6Lk6DhNciOBg= =tja+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 03:23:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D718A16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:23:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE4943D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:23:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.4) with SMTP id NAA20910 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:23:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:23:18 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:23:24 -0000 On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Murray Stokely wrote: > The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website > today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you > think. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith > College that we had the pleasure of working with through Google's > Summer of Code program. No offense meant to Emily, but I think it's a major downgrade. > We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate and more > aesthetically pleasing. We look forward to improving the site further > over the coming weeks as we work to bring a fresh face to the FreeBSD > web presence. Firstly, anyone with an older browser is going to have problems like: JavaScript Error: http://www.freebsd.org/layout/js/styleswitcher.js, line 40: document.getElementsByTagName is not a function. JavaScript Error: http://www.freebsd.org/layout/js/styleswitcher.js, line 27: document.getElementsByTagName is not a function. JavaScript Error: http://www.freebsd.org/layout/js/styleswitcher.js, line 40: document.getElementsByTagName is not a function. JavaScript Error: http://www.freebsd.org/layout/js/styleswitcher.js, line 40: document.getElementsByTagName is not a function. Secondly, I had to bounce around all over the place just to find things that were previously accessible from the home page - eg, PORTS, FAQ .. > You may also still see the old design for our website archived at: > http://www.FreeBSD.org/old I hope it stays there, and stays updated, until the new page provides the same one-stop functionality that we've long enjoyed till now. And I see the religious nutters have had their way with Beastie! So far, disappointed. Cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 03:50:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECA316A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:50:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92DD43D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:50:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F7A1F441B for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28412-08 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (ool-44c47f78.dyn.optonline.net [68.196.127.120]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561E01F4418 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43449F25.5080205@wingfoot.org> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:51:01 -0400 From: Glenn Sieb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Thunderbird/1.0.6 Mnenhy/0.6.0.104 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:50:57 -0000 Ian Smith said the following on 10/5/2005 11:23 PM: >I hope it stays there, and stays updated, until the new page provides >the same one-stop functionality that we've long enjoyed till now. > > Or, you can learn to go to the newer links.. :) Websites don't always stay the same--I like the less-cluttered look of the page now, but YMMV, obviously :) >And I see the religious nutters have had their way with Beastie! > > Howso? He looks the same to me... sneakers.. horns.. tail..? Best, --Glenn -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 03:53:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C5316A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:53:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul.murphy@cogeco.ca) Received: from fep7.cogeco.net (smtp.cogeco.net [216.221.81.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191A443D45; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:53:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul.murphy@cogeco.ca) Received: from mercury.upton.net (d141-24-210.home.cgocable.net [24.141.24.210]) by fep7.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80B9E18; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.upton.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A0460FD; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.upton.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.upton.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 74968-15; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.upton.net (earth.upton.net [192.168.0.3]) by mercury.upton.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDEB60FC; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:51:30 -0400 From: Paul Murphy To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20051005235130.4d0fae89@earth.upton.net> In-Reply-To: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.14 (GTK+ 2.6.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) X-Face: -Q/~XHbe$z/a Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:53:05 -0000 --Signature_Wed__5_Oct_2005_23_51_30_-0400_UaS5jNwLD=YW4ndG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:12:14 -0700 Murray Stokely wrote: > The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website > today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you > think. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith > College that we had the pleasure of working with through Google's > Summer of Code program. >=20 > We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate and more > aesthetically pleasing. We look forward to improving the site further > over the coming weeks as we work to bring a fresh face to the FreeBSD > web presence. >=20 Good work, it look very professional. I have just a few very minor nits to pick: 1) The 'Donate' and 'Contact' links look like they are part of the 'Text Size' options, maybe they could be separated more. 2) The 'FreeBSD The Power To Serve' banner lines up in the same place for the 'Home', 'About', 'Get FreeBSD' and 'Developers' pages, but on 'Documentation' and 'Community' pages the banner is shifted a few pixels to the right. 3) 'Support' is not on the grey button bar (looks like a stray or line wrap) Viewed with Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7 (-geometry 1280x949+0+25) --=20 Cogeco ergo sum --Signature_Wed__5_Oct_2005_23_51_30_-0400_UaS5jNwLD=YW4ndG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRJ9LbD3aE+jjC78RAqlrAJ9sleBTNLzaZ7GL9N/evtQwK2+SxACfU0e8 Xh4Jx7zCzsLcujZM6UIsmGM= =B+eJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Wed__5_Oct_2005_23_51_30_-0400_UaS5jNwLD=YW4ndG-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 03:59:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681D916A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:59:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmp@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AC243D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:59:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmp@bitfreak.org) Received: from smiley (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F76819F2C for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Darren Pilgrim" To: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:59:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c5ca2a$60e477f0$662a15ac@smiley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:59:48 -0000 Aesthetically speaking, the design is much improved from the old site. = The new design is far more modern and "feels cleaner." I like, keep it up! Technically speaking, the new design is badly broken. In my particular case, my use of larger fonts in Firefox 1.0.6 results = in the new design displaying the following errors: - The nav-bar is on two lines: "| Support" wraps onto a second line. My larger 16 pt minimum font size results in the text for the nav-bar being wider than the fixed layout width. My browser window is 1700 pixels = wide for a reason. Please don't cram everything into 765 pixels, it won't = work. - The "Security Advisories" column is too narrow for some of the = entries. Specifically, the cvsbug and ipsec lines extend past the right edge of = gray area. The white separator lines in the gray news/events area do not = extend to the bottom of the gray area. These are the result of using
s = and s to do the work a should be doing. The layout for the news/events is in a uniform grid, a table makes the most sense. To make this more than just the griping of an armchair dictator, if = you're interested in the input of YAWD[1], I work for a web design company and = will be meeting with the owner in just over an hour. I will bring up = creating working examples of the points I've made as well as possibly further contribution. [1] Yet Another Web Designer From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 04:51:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D3316A420 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:51:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yuval_levy@yahoo.com) Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E3F543D5C for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:51:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yuval_levy@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84229 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2005 04:51:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lU5MIIFNq2BsYLDqIu+XmUvcDoDDv9oTO+1n7d4SuYWjpBD3xUzviX/XxZZjsCu5nq/aV/pkWnHH6QrsgxlBIA3p2zj6DQYpcFt99ptg5iBd1qrmW8z1RCCeB1pGo751w9KTIuM5QND9s+2qsdkC39eRqGo5BGZWVZILi728bR0= ; Message-ID: <20051006045123.84227.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.159.146.225] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:51:23 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: yuval levy To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Excellent Job! X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 04:51:28 -0000 Hey Yuval, can you forward this to the freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org list? I can't make all these improvements on my own, so please repost to the list. Thanks for the feedback. - Murray On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 11:49:30PM -0400, Yuval Levy wrote: >> Murray Stokely wrote: >> > >>> >Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you >>> >think. >>> > > >> Excellent job! >> >> The website needed a facelift and it got a really beautiful one. The >> homepage now looks uncluttered, even though most of the original content >> still fits in there. A masterpiece of clarity and design. >> >> I am missing _one_ thing on the homepage: the ports collection. In my >> opinion it should be featured prominently. It is the single most >> important reason that made me switch from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD, and >> I am sure it is a feature that makes FreeBSD stand out in every OS >> comparison. >> >> The community page looks great. FreeBSD has so far attracted a community >> of mostly programmers. I would suggest adding a wiki there so that >> mainstream users can start adding and sharing knowledge on an informal >> basis. The mailing lists are great and searchable but daunting for a >> newbie. There are a number of sites out there dedicated to FreeBSD but >> they often offer conflicting advice. Having something at the source >> would help demistify FreeBSD to the newbie. >> >> Regards from a former newbie. >> Yuval Levy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 06:03:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816A116A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:03:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ulibemer@libero.it) Received: from smtp8.libero.it (smtp8.libero.it [193.70.192.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A3343D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:03:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ulibemer@libero.it) Received: from localhost (172.16.1.84) by smtp8.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 431C382802406B51 for freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:03:31 +0200 Received: from smtp20.libero.it ([172.16.1.76]) by localhost (asav5.libero.it [193.70.192.154]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13506-14 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:03:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [151.50.5.122] (adsl-ull-122-5.50-151.net24.it [151.50.5.122]) by smtp20.libero.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751555076D for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:03:30 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <4344BDFD.6000904@libero.it> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:02:37 +0200 From: Ulisse Bemer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Cc: Subject: New web site rocks X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:03:32 -0000 The new website is very cool. Kudos! Ulisse Bemer IT consultant Bra, Piedmont (italy) From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 06:08:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A7416A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:08:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem@FreeBSD.org) Received: from relay-er5.mbrd.ru (relay-er5.mbrd.ru [194.117.71.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C534543D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:08:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem@FreeBSD.org) Received: from msd.mbrd.ru ([172.16.4.9]) by relay-er5.mbrd.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.x) id 1ENOvZ-000DKV-DA for www@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:08:25 +0400 Message-ID: <4344BF59.5090003@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:08:25 +0400 From: Sergey Matveychuk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: redundance in developers link on the new site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:08:30 -0000 Hi! When I've selected a 'Developers' item in horizontal menu I've found the same item in left-sided menu. I've hoped to find there a developers list or so, but the link points on the same page. I think it's some weirdness. -- Sem. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 06:08:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2E716A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:08:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwm-dated-1129010928.34f522@mired.org) Received: from delight.idiom.com (outbound.idiom.com [216.240.47.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D241843D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:08:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mwm-dated-1129010928.34f522@mired.org) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by delight.idiom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C4B7140 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mired.org (mwm@idiom [216.240.32.1]) by idiom.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j9668Xhq007234 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:08:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm-dated-1129010928.34f522@mired.org) Received: (qmail 19395 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Oct 2005 06:08:48 -0000 Received: by localhost.mired.org (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1001); Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:08:48 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17220.49007.903011.223246@bhuda.mired.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:08:47 -0400 To: www@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 17) "Jumbo Shrimp" XEmacs Lucid X-Primary-Address: mwm@mired.org X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`; h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.3 (Seattle Slew) Cc: Subject: Problems with new web site design X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:08:41 -0000 Got a couple of things that don't work: In Camino 0.8.4, Firefox 1.0.7, and emacs-w3m version 1.4.4 using w3m version 0.5.1, the mirrors pull-down list does nothing. Making a selection doesn't do anything. Oddly enough, it works properly in w3m version 0.5.1 run on it's own. I think you need a submit button. In emacs-w3m, w3m and FireFox with styles disabled, the page structure is just a long list and beastie doesn't show up. That makes it ugly and hard to use. The fix is to replace the current div soup with the appropriate table tags so the page gets layed out sanely if CSS isn't being used. You might want to put a paragraph in with a property of "display: none" that explains that because CSS is disabled the page appearance isn't optimal. Beastie doesn't show up in my Camino 0.8.4. That's probably because I've got it set to use my colors instead of the page colors, which on most browsers disables the loading of background images, and that's how the image gets loaded, even though it's not used as a background image. Once again, the solution is probably to replace the div soup with structural markup, and make the image part of the content. Come to think of it, having beastie relagated to the background is sorta sad. The Large/Normal text links don't do anything if JavaScript is disabled or otherwise unavailable. The right fix is to replace the javascript with links to a version of the page that loads the appropriate style sheet, but I'm not sure that can be done while still letting JS-enabled browsers switch style sheets without reloading the page. If nothing else, wrapping the contents of the li tag that contains those two links in a noscript tag will make them not appear in browsers in which they aren't functional The "Skip section navigation" link is broken. There doesn't appear to be an element on the page with the name "contentwrap", which is the target of that link. The new site looks much better when the browser is configured the way the designers expect them to be. However, as listed above, it doesn't degrade very well when users tweak the configuration of their browsers. The old site didn't look as nice in a default browser configuration, but it stood up to strange browser configurations a lot better. It's not hard to make a site that degrades gracefully, but the run of the mill web site doesn't bother. FreeBSD is better than the run of the mill software; I think it's web site should be as well. http://www.mired.org/consulting.html Independent Network/Unix/Perforce consultant, email for more information. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 06:30:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D301716A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:30:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F07043D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:30:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j966UI1s015164 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:30:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j966UIb2015163; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:30:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:30:18 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510060630.j966UIb2015163@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, George Danchev Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D4B16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:21:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B1F43D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:21:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j966L5kB095412 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:21:05 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j966L4LF095411; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:21:04 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510060621.j966L4LF095411@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:21:04 GMT From: George Danchev To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:30:19 -0000 >Number: 86970 >Category: www >Synopsis: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 06:30:17 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: George Danchev >Release: >Organization: government / military >Environment: >Description: The new web site looks like a commercial portal instead of free software one. It is not as clean as the old one was. Too many buzztricks in front of it and important information is thrown away somewhere behind that new and stupid face. It doesn't fit the look of the handbook as found currently at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ and other useful resources we all know and love. >How-To-Repeat: visit www.freebsd.org >Fix: Return the old site look and feel or make the new one looks like it at least as much as possible >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 06:58:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0306716A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:58:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gjb@gbch.net) Received: from gw.gbch.net (gw.gbch.net [203.143.238.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 088BD43D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:58:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gjb@gbch.net) Received: (qmail 91817 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 16:58:51 +1000 Received: from iliad.gbch.net (172.16.1.9) by gw.gbch.net with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 16:58:51 +1000 Received: (qmail 33310 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Oct 2005 16:58:51 +1000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:58:51 +1000 From: Greg Black To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i; gjb-muttsend.sh 1.7 2004-10-05 X-Uptime: 111 days X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE i386 X-Location: Brisbane, Australia; 27.49841S 152.98439E X-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb.html X-Blog: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/blog/ X-Image-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/gjb-auug048.gif X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: EBB2 2A92 A79D 1533 AC00 3C46 5D83 B6FB 4B04 B7D6 X-Request-PGP: http://www.gbch.net/keys/4B04B7D6.asc Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:58:55 -0000 On 2005-10-05, Murray Stokely wrote: > The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website > today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you > think. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith > College that we had the pleasure of working with through Google's > Summer of Code program. > > We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate It's a disaster for navigation. Please keep the old site running until you get the new one sorted out. On the old design, I could go in one step to things like release announcements, security advisories, the Handbook and FAQ, and the Ports Collection. The new design provides links to some of the above (but badly organised), but not to other essential items. It's a real shame to see a really good, clear and clean design go out the window in favour of some aesthetics (which are of doubtful merit anyway). Greg From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 07:05:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA61816A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:05:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jorrith@home.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498F643D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:05:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jorrith@home.nl) Received: from waldo (gwbw.xs4all.nl [213.84.100.200]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9675V0X025544 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:05:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jorrith@home.nl) Received: from localhost (waldo [127.0.0.1]) by waldo (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE1236BC2 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:05:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from waldo ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (waldo [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25924-08 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:05:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from behemoth.buyways.nl (behemoth.buyways.nl [192.168.218.81]) by waldo (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFEF36B6B for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:05:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Jorrith Schaap To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:05:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1128582318.814.2.camel@behemoth.buyways.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Subject: New website background color X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:05:39 -0000 Hi there! I just visited your new website (looks great!), and noticed a small error. When you haven't set your browser's background color to white (which is default, but I know plenty of people to change this), the site looks a bit ugly. This can be solved by explicitly setting the background color to white in the stylesheet. That way the site looks as it should! Bye, Jorrith Schaap From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 07:08:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1296916A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:08:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicolas@i.0x5.de) Received: from narr.dauerreden.de (n.0x5.de [217.197.85.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A93943D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:08:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicolas@i.0x5.de) Received: by pc5.i.0x5.de (Postfix, from userid 1003) id A476581D34; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:08:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:08:48 +0200 From: Nicolas Rachinsky To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051006070847.GA89988@mid.pc5.i.0x5.de> References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> X-Powered-by: FreeBSD X-Homepage: http://www.rachinsky.de X-PGP-Keyid: A32C2932 (Communication) and F66AFAF2 (Certification) X-PGP-Fingerprint1: 97EB FA8B 4C8F A54B D89A 697E A6BC AF72 A32C 2932 (Comm.) X-PGP-Fingerprint2: 1DE8 DF23 56F0 3E14 238D 740C E598 C87E F66A FAF2 (Cert.) X-PGP-Keys: http://www.rachinsky.de/nicolas/pgp/nicolas_rachinsky.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:08:53 -0000 * Murray Stokely [2005-10-05 17:12 -0700]: > We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate and more > aesthetically pleasing. We look forward to improving the site further > over the coming weeks as we work to bring a fresh face to the FreeBSD > web presence. I don't like it aesthetically, it's now looking like many other sites. I think, links should be clearly recognisable as such, without putting the mouse over them. I didn't recognice "Get FreeBSD Now" as link, at the first glance, I considered it a heading. But "LATEST RELEASES", "LATEST NEWS",... look too similar to the links. And I don't think links should look like normal text, as soon as the pointer is over them, sometimes it's interessting/relevant which part of the text is part of the link, so this information should be available without moving the mouse. I'm missing the 'shortcuts' "Documentation/Manual pages" and "Bug Reports/Search". Especially the PR search seems to need too many clicks: "Support"/"Bug Reports"/"Search problem reports". Oh, and until now, I missed the "ERRATA NOTICES" completely. http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/index.html After noticing that "FreeBSD Copyright and Legal Information" is no link, this page looks incomplete with only headlines. You learn that the headlines are in fact links by putting your mouse on them (or sth. similar). http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Here the same type of headline is a headline not a link. But wait, there is no information about "Public Relations & Corporate Liaison, Security Officer, Postmaster, Webmaster etc.". Strange. Ah, here the headline is not just a headline, but a link. That's enough for now. Nicolas From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 07:22:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526DE16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:22:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2C343D5A for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:22:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8FEE011A31A; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:22:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:22:57 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051006072256.GA98758@eddie.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Replacing FAQ link with Handbook on front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:22:24 -0000 --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey The current front page has a link to the FAQ in the Shortcuts section. While this would be fine if our FAQ was just slight kept up-to-date (different topic, different day) I think it would be better to replace this link with a link to the Handbook. So, does anyone else think that would be a good idea? --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRNDQh9pcDSc1mlERAgimAJ9TuGAYgk4sSfpxXIQqL0Gzifd+eACaAq4d 6ONAK4QHG6QLwe0jANwHzzw= =66pd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 07:28:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA4116A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:28:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mathieu-prevot@wanadoo.fr) Received: from relay-am.club-internet.fr (relay-am.club-internet.fr [194.158.104.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AF543D5A for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:28:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mathieu-prevot@wanadoo.fr) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (d01m-195-36-137-190.d4.club-internet.fr [195.36.137.190]) by relay-am.club-internet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905C825606 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:28:16 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19facd9af7766882c3b5596cbf755c19@wanadoo.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: Mathieu PREVOT Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:28:15 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Cc: Subject: New web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:28:18 -0000 Hi all, I visited the new website for a while and several points appears: - the title is nicer - i need more clicks to access to a part: it is less functionnal for me. Before, everything was on the main page. - the presentation of FreeBSD was obvious. It is not anymore. - pages are heavier and slower to download - the width is not anymore adaptive Maybe for newbies the pages can appears more clear. --MP From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 07:30:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CC516A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:30:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73B543D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:30:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j967UK63022980 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:30:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j967UKwM022978; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:30:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:30:20 GMT Message-Id: <200510060730.j967UKwM022978@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: George Danchev Cc: Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: George Danchev List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:30:21 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/86970; it has been noted by GNATS. From: George Danchev To: bug-followup@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:27:25 +0300 To elaborate a little bit. I'm not a webmaster that's for sure, but what I miss from the old site are the two panes directly displaying important bullet lists information (about Platforms, Software, Documentation, Support, Bug Reports, Development, Release, etc). Now I should dig the new site and following uneeded links to get the informations. Please add the old, good and informative panes from the old site. Also you do not need big pictures in the center of the site, it should be feel with important texts (as it used to be). -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 07:38:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B621B16A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:38:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED6D43D45; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:38:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77DA930D5A; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:38:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04603-05; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:38:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail.evilcoder.org (dartagnan.elvandar.intranet [10.0.3.122]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D741930D21; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:38:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <37055.145.221.92.41.1128584307.squirrel@webmail.evilcoder.org> In-Reply-To: <20051006072256.GA98758@eddie.nitro.dk> References: <20051006072256.GA98758@eddie.nitro.dk> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:38:27 +0200 (CEST) From: "Remko Lodder" To: "Simon L. Nielsen" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Replacing FAQ link with Handbook on front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:38:29 -0000 On Thu, October 6, 2005 09:22, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > Hey > > The current front page has a link to the FAQ in the Shortcuts section. > While this would be fine if our FAQ was just slight kept up-to-date > (different topic, different day) I think it would be better to replace > this link with a link to the Handbook. > > So, does anyone else think that would be a good idea? > > -- > Simon L. Nielsen > Go for it! -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org Reporter DSINET ** remko@DSINet.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 08:10:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CA416A421 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:10:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C5043D58 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:10:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j968AChk029882 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:10:12 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j968ACBV029881; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:10:12 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:10:12 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510060810.j968ACBV029881@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Petr Panteleyev Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919E816A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:07:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BF343D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:07:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9687952009006 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:07:09 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j96879ZI009004; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:07:09 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510060807.j96879ZI009004@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:07:09 GMT From: Petr Panteleyev To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/86977: No default background color on www.freebsd.org pages X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:10:14 -0000 >Number: 86977 >Category: www >Synopsis: No default background color on www.freebsd.org pages >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 08:10:12 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Petr Panteleyev >Release: 5.4-RELEASE >Organization: >Environment: >Description: Apparently, all http://www.freebsd.org/ pages suppose 'white' color as default background. However, if the user sets another default background in the browser, pages become to look ugly. >How-To-Repeat: Just go to any browser and set default background to anything different from white. I catched the situation from Opera. >Fix: I would propose to set BGCOLOR tag in BODY or do it somehow else, in CSS for example. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 08:12:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD2516A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:12:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8861543D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:12:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1ENQrN-0003Dx-C2; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:12:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:12:13 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Nicolas Rachinsky Message-ID: <20051006081213.GK73874@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Nicolas Rachinsky , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> <20051006070847.GA89988@mid.pc5.i.0x5.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gdTfX7fkYsEEjebm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051006070847.GA89988@mid.pc5.i.0x5.de> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:12:16 -0000 --gdTfX7fkYsEEjebm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 09:08:48AM +0200, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: > * Murray Stokely [2005-10-05 17:12 -0700]: > > We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate and more > > aesthetically pleasing. We look forward to improving the site further > > over the coming weeks as we work to bring a fresh face to the FreeBSD > > web presence. >=20 > I don't like it aesthetically, it's now looking like many other sites. The real beauty of this new design is that it's now possible to change stuff; send us your stylesheets and we'll see if we like them better. That would have been impossible with the old site. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --gdTfX7fkYsEEjebm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRNxdocfcwTS3JF8RAshUAJ9LAwzTdVuXSHmx5NA8tylHe0QiEQCglNsh hehrZyP8japOL8SM/BC+8pQ= =MyqD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gdTfX7fkYsEEjebm-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 08:16:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E419D16A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:16:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4C343D46; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:16:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j968Gm7C030211; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:16:48 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j968Gm4f030207; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:16:48 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:16:48 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> To: danchev@spnet.net, ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:16:49 -0000 Synopsis: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ceri State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 08:15:46 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: The PR database is for bugs. I don't consider this a bug. Please raise your issues on the appropriate mailing list (www@FreeBSD.org) for discussion. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86970 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 08:17:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E93516A420; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:17:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF11E43D46; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:17:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j968HcdR030268; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:17:38 GMT (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j968Hc35030264; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:17:38 GMT (envelope-from ceri) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:17:38 GMT From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200510060817.j968Hc35030264@freefall.freebsd.org> To: peterp@online.ru, ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86977: No default background color on www.freebsd.org pages X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:17:39 -0000 Synopsis: No default background color on www.freebsd.org pages State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ceri State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 08:17:07 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: This was fixed by Murray in CVS; it may take a while to hit the site. Thanks foe the report. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86977 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 08:21:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D069016A421 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:21:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A803643D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:21:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 13917 invoked by uid 104); 6 Oct 2005 08:21:10 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 4.074267 secs); 06 Oct 2005 08:21:10 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.5 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.29.150) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 08:21:06 -0000 From: George Danchev To: Ceri Davies Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:21:05 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510061121.05894.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:21:12 -0000 On Thursday 06 October 2005 11:16, Ceri Davies wrote: > Synopsis: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know > and love > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: ceri > State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 08:15:46 GMT 2005 > State-Changed-Why: > The PR database is for bugs. I don't consider this a bug. OK, Agreed. > Please raise your issues on the appropriate mailing list > (www@FreeBSD.org) for discussion. To elaborate a little bit. I'm not a webmaster that's for sure, but what I miss from the old site are the two panes directly displaying important bullet lists information (about Platforms, Software, Documentation, Support, Bug Reports, Development, Release, etc). Now I should dig the new site and following uneeded links to get the informations. Please add the old, good and informative panes from the old site. Also you do not need big pictures in the center of the site, it should be filled with important texts (as it used to be). > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86970 P.S. I'm not subscribed to www@ please CC. Thanks. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 08:26:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F9916A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:26:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@troback.com) Received: from devil.troback.com (c-195-216-040-156.cust.thalamus.net [195.216.40.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0891E43D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:26:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@troback.com) Received: from [10.46.150.25] (server25.extraco.gelita-se.local [10.46.150.25]) by devil.troback.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j968QfLO011754 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:26:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@troback.com) Message-ID: <4344DFC8.5080707@troback.com> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:26:48 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Trob=E4ck?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051003) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: CSS X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:52 -0000 Hi, the first reaction was "give me back the old page" but when I came over the chock the new page are better than the old one:-) I don't want to be a pain in the a** but there are something wrong with the CSS at line 307: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freebsd.org%2F Thanks for your time! -- Anders Trobäck http://www.troback.com/ ============================================ Windows: "Where do you want to go today?" Linux: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" FreeBSD: "Are you guys coming, or what?" -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 08:34:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D2116A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:34:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2486F43D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:34:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 85A8811A31A; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:35:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:35:54 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Anders =?iso-8859-1?Q?Trob=E4ck?= Message-ID: <20051006083553.GB98758@eddie.nitro.dk> References: <4344DFC8.5080707@troback.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4344DFC8.5080707@troback.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CSS X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:34:56 -0000 --2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.06 10:26:48 +0200, Anders Trob=E4ck wrote: > the first reaction was "give me back the old page" but when I came over= =20 > the chock the new page are better than the old one:-) >=20 > I don't want to be a pain in the a** but there are something wrong with= =20 > the CSS at line 307: > http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.freeb= sd.org%2F I think this has been fixed already, the web site just hasn't been rebuild yet. Hmm, looks like the normal rebuild schedule isn't working... I will look at that. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDROHph9pcDSc1mlERAqwmAJ98v0qAak2zFDGV1YbIGq6ez047OACdFaMl Td1aBZLJFabcfFSzuFkfPwE= =KRZb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 08:37:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FECF16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:37:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markzero@logik.ath.cx) Received: from addr9.addr.com (addr9.addr.com [38.113.244.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8F243D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:37:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markzero@logik.ath.cx) Received: from logik.ath.cx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by addr9.addr.com (8.12.11/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id j968bghV002324 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by logik.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DD729651F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:37:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:37:41 +0100 From: markzero To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051006083741.GB2447@logik.internal.network> References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> X-GPG-Key: http://darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt X-Fingerprint: 0160 A46A 9A48 D3B0 C92F B690 17FB 4B72 0207 ED43 X-ADDRSpamFilter: Passed, probability (0%) X-ADDRSignature: 2F8B1635 Subject: Thoughts on new WWW design X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:37:46 -0000 --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. I like the new design, a good choice of complementary colours. It does seem to be easier to navigate now and the layout of the news items at=20 the bottom is quite attractive. Only one technical criticism and that is that the page could do with a very small margin at the sides, as it looks a little untidy with stock Firefox: http://www.darklogik.org/tmp/061005.png (original on the left, adjustment on the right) I've not had a look at the CSS yet, so I'm not sure how easy that would be to implement. Otherwise, a very nice job. Congrats. M --=20 pgp: http://www.darklogik.org/pub/pgp/pgp.txt 0160 A46A 9A48 D3B0 C92F B690 17FB 4B72 0207 ED43 --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iQIVAwUBQ0TiVBf7S3ICB+1DAQpHxRAAr+7Fc8qlCkhBxl/c4PITm5dNDsm+xTPd f/jL74X33ofBRPc5k0vCLtc7Ythpb+SD/kuIq+yOlD0UeOjIRRN9E6Zq3pYUI4wx 7WVBa0Xew8iLDJk4FYxSckOKRWQb3WDmNo4EnXpiDQaeE6z98Ty9PGYRTUmeEC7p ROnoM4bouu+gGanohtaBNnea7MYm5AxUzfJ3mdT6m9XO169z2bYlBoQl2yDomy/g 08K8rbWej3QJTZnZg6183Ij0RZxrOrhmx11llDxs5TbM+SfNgM4R37znU2TsEtiD 9/epm8CaiYCZ0LuW0TMz0l+kfq5oP4iz9ljmAh9GuapNslR9mzYh4uM7YPfEKo3i z2GeTK8u9S/b+4U63wUJygZGdcQ/LlbzbRVorTDzu+gyFQy+uVE+8ZTK2Qam90jj QZ62JBCTvBjHnoFIngzxODzk7h57rB178uDfh+1SFW3HD9Mxvsa9sUtwKmYAavKC wFj0+S1nsbXvnKSi/GGt/qZqeAHRQ/WNo63e0xq19tFvkGRJwxc2hFzKHJmG89lF qf/ar7/mLaBpeV9lmXp9TtYV4UatAcEYPPCTZq2KQ7cNNP6frZEnMVLzAD79F3n0 eLBUQeEpkJ6/+A/vVTTn8yZE+w9lrNGiwxl0Ni+4FdCK4Fz+oIKNYnG7mlUuYBWE 611TV+KlJTo= =fxm3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 08:44:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA7916A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:44:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zaphod@defcon-x.de) Received: from bohr.goodhost.de (bohr.goodhost.de [83.246.64.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CE843D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:44:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zaphod@defcon-x.de) Received: from localhost (bohr.goodhost.de [83.246.64.16]) by bohr.goodhost.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1F4C80F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:44:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bohr.goodhost.de ([83.246.64.16]) by localhost (bohr.goodhost.de [83.246.64.16]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75478-02 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:44:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.77] (nrbg-d9bb6361.pool.mediaWays.net [217.187.99.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bohr.goodhost.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43389C80A for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:44:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4344E405.20709@defcon-x.de> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:44:53 +0200 From: Rainer Hungerhausen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> In-Reply-To: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at goodhost.de Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:44:57 -0000 Hi, first of all: WOW! I think this is a great improvement. The site looks modern on top and under the hood (XHTML/CSS). The only thing that desturbs me a bit is the FreeBSD logo on top, which could clearly use some more anti-aliasing. But I guess this will be gone as soon as the logo contest is done. Keep up the good work! Regards, Rainer Murray Stokely wrote: > The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website > today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you > think. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith > College that we had the pleasure of working with through Google's > Summer of Code program. > > We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate and more > aesthetically pleasing. We look forward to improving the site further > over the coming weeks as we work to bring a fresh face to the FreeBSD > web presence. > > To learn more about the other great Summer of Code projects that > students completed this summer, please visit: > http://wikitest.freebsd.org/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode2005 > > You may also still see the old design for our website archived at: > http://www.FreeBSD.org/old > > Thanks again to Emily for helping us get the word out about FreeBSD! > Enjoy, > > - FreeBSD WWW Team > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-announce@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-announce > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-announce-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 09:08:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A9A16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:08:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from sohara.org (sohara.org [192.220.64.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BFE43D4C for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:08:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: (qmail 463 invoked by uid 16563); 6 Oct 2005 09:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO df1.marelmo.com) ([194.145.135.67]) (envelope-sender ) by 192.220.64.179 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Oct 2005 09:08:48 -0000 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:08:46 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20051006100846.17d45e07.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.1 (GTK+ 2.6.10; i386-pc-dragonfly1) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: New site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:08:49 -0000 Hi, Generally good but ... The default font is too small and the layout doesn't respond too well to increasing the font size, partly because of what seems to be a fixed width in pixels of the layout. The old site did a better job of shouting about the key features of FreeBSD than the new site does. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirror Arrays The computer obeys and wins. | A better way to focus the sun You lose and Bill collects. | licences available see | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 09:21:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CD316A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:21:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from luyt@ovosoft.nl) Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBCA43D5D for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:20:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from luyt@ovosoft.nl) Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=35767 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ENRvu-0003u9-F3 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:20:58 +0200 Received: from cc351901-a.groni1.gr.home.nl ([82.73.114.87]:26724 helo=deschutes) by smtp1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ENRvt-0003BR-6E for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:20:57 +0200 From: Luyt To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:20:40 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510061120.40339.luyt@ovosoft.nl> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: My opinion about the new website design X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:21:01 -0000 The new website looks good, but it's a pity that it no longer adapts itself to the width of my browser window. Also, the old site behaved much better when the font size in the browser is increased. -- "The ability of the OSS process to collect and harness the collective IQ of thousands of individuals across the Internet is simply amazing." - Vinod Vallopillil http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween4.php From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 09:46:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0596616A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:46:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nb_root@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B040443D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:46:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nb_root@videotron.ca) Received: from clk01a ([66.130.198.54]) by VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0INX00HE8N4Y5RA0@VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:46:04 -0400 From: Nicolas Blais To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-id: <200510060546.09976.nb_root@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=nextPart1755552.2NPZY4xksU; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 Subject: Nice new design, but missing link to ports. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:46:11 -0000 --nextPart1755552.2NPZY4xksU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The subject is self-explanatory.=20 Great job on the new site! Just missing a small clicky to /ports somewhere = on=20 the main page. Nicolas. =2D-=20 =46reeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Oct 1 11:51:38 EDT 2005 =20 root@clk01a:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CLK01A=20 PGP? : http://www.clkroot.net/security/nb_root.asc --nextPart1755552.2NPZY4xksU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDRPJhz38ton5LGeIRAiPEAJ4z0bEIfLfGNO5BN9rI+bivITkypwCfbXhx gzi993pW5hmOpTNby9f8fBU= =e58x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1755552.2NPZY4xksU-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 10:40:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D7616A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:40:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6053D43D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:40:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96AeI6h047456 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:40:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96AeIdu047455; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:40:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:40:18 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510061040.j96AeIdu047455@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Evgeny W. Waganoff" Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D033016A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:32:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD8843D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:32:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96AW6xA018327 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:32:07 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j96AW6it018325; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:32:06 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510061032.j96AW6it018325@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:32:06 GMT From: "Evgeny W. Waganoff" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/86981: X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:40:19 -0000 >Number: 86981 >Category: www >Synopsis: >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 10:40:17 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Evgeny W. Waganoff >Release: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE >Organization: BSD User Group Ekaterinburg (E#BUG) >Environment: >Description: BSD User Group Ekaterinburg (E#BUG)
The BSD User Group Ekaterinburg (E#BUG) is a community of BSD users in Ekaterinburg, Russia. We distribute BSD releases to all who asks us in our sity, and trying to help everyone to discover and use BSD. Please visit our web site and learn more about as. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 10:46:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB4716A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:46:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from mta13.adelphia.net (mta13.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9887643D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:46:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from default.chvlva.adelphia.net ([69.160.76.67]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051006104626.YNVN23334.mta13.adelphia.net@default.chvlva.adelphia.net> for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:46:26 -0400 Received: by default.chvlva.adelphia.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5FA73B66B; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:46:26 -0400 From: Parv To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051006104626.GA65829@holestein.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Some parts seem to be deprived of design renewal X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:46:28 -0000 ( Please CC me on this thread on the relevant bits as i am not subscribed to -www. ) Some parts seem to be deprived of design renewal. On these parts, link colors and fonts do not match as that on the front page and almost any of the 2d level pages. A running theme was that ... - Titles do not appear in san-serif font, causing inconsistency from the first few pages. - No background color has been specified, causing browser to substitute user specified color. - Links are (sometime) hard to distinguish from the text, causing me to strictly use my own preferences. The forsaken ones that i came in contact and actually care about are ... * http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ - Un/visited links are in blue/purple. * http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi - Un/visited links are in black/black along w/ black of normal text. Oh, email address is green near. Green is also the color of some non-link text. * http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ (& its hierarchy) - Link color of www@freebsd is black. - No background color is specified, so black text (above the module table) appears unreadable on dark background color specified by me. - A file's history appears on a page which has both text & the links black w/o any background color. * Description of any of the ports (i selected 2 at random; one was http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/x11-fm/dfm/package-descr) - Tiny fixed width text of description. - A light background color is not specified, so red title, black text & email link appear unreadable. On a related note, should i submit my contribution of style sheets as PR or email to this list? I would appreciate if there is a document describing the purpose of the classes used (as i am not feeling to dig in each file listed in fixed.css right now). - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 11:06:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF5816A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:06:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA6843D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:06:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1ENTaM-0002Ir-Ph for www@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:06:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:06:50 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051006110650.GL73874@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , www@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gm5TwAJMO0F2iVRz" Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: Subject: Release information on the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:06:52 -0000 --gm5TwAJMO0F2iVRz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would we be better off getting rid of the 4.11 link on the front page and replacing it with 6.0-BETA? I think so. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --gm5TwAJMO0F2iVRz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRQVKocfcwTS3JF8RArbUAKC6ANFWaKPT8x7d8CnV9fPB5B+XfgCgiaKA IJmKrYqK9IFGxjncgT7xROc= =PPfq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gm5TwAJMO0F2iVRz-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 11:10:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A0016A423 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:10:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2457043D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:10:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6424C119CCD; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:11:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 2866A11AD1; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:09:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:09:12 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Ceri Davies , www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051006110911.GA1002@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20051006110650.GL73874@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AqsLC8rIMeq19msA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051006110650.GL73874@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: Subject: Re: Release information on the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:10:23 -0000 --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.06 12:06:50 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: > Would we be better off getting rid of the 4.11 link on the front page > and replacing it with 6.0-BETA? I think so. I agree. You might want to ask re@, since having both 4.X and 5.3 was mainly their call. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRQXXh9pcDSc1mlERAmLzAJ9ElsMBUaiU6GvaIIB/Rt2Ne43bmACfWrVN qNXlMnGP9YVYWDdWtBWSt+U= =F8kd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AqsLC8rIMeq19msA-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 11:13:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0662716A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:13:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8663A43D45; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:13:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1ENTgY-000ECn-Ey; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:13:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:13:14 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20051006111314.GM73874@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , "Simon L. Nielsen" , www@FreeBSD.org References: <20051006110650.GL73874@submonkey.net> <20051006110911.GA1002@zaphod.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ik0NlRzMGhMnxrMX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051006110911.GA1002@zaphod.nitro.dk> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Release information on the front page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:13:16 -0000 --ik0NlRzMGhMnxrMX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 01:09:12PM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > On 2005.10.06 12:06:50 +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: >=20 > > Would we be better off getting rid of the 4.11 link on the front page > > and replacing it with 6.0-BETA? I think so. >=20 > I agree. You might want to ask re@, since having both 4.X and 5.3 was > mainly their call. Good idea. I'll do that. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --ik0NlRzMGhMnxrMX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRQbKocfcwTS3JF8RAnPxAJ49z2+E25qoA9aSLAP8qrQ4bIepLACfcRyO TyhYemHIz2TWEor003ezbwE= =wbcO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ik0NlRzMGhMnxrMX-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 12:02:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED29816A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:02:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dennisolvany@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220AF43D6B for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:01:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dennisolvany@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so170188wra for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:01:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=gbih97upHtBsASho76pSUTWDlSVjcczNkl5a75nOKzao9iqIf4sR2NM7782Fn+MTASw2SClU0/wMnyBBtArWiyz3FI+0oQus6sCWcCSAuXFk9NrE2HUsZcCTxoIFxMyQHTiipaho7A4Lm1cCnynbQf5BBxCok5VWw1Tw2iD7Vv4= Received: by 10.54.69.10 with SMTP id r10mr1129068wra; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm ( [67.102.60.210]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 28sm1508487wrl.2005.10.06.05.01.58; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001a01c5ca6d$c24c6640$0366a8c0@dm> From: "Dennis Olvany" To: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:01:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: new site [doc links!] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:02:18 -0000 Removed the doc links from the homepage!? ...tsk, tsk Lynx hard, even = harder. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 12:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AB916A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:14:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david.narayan@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CEC43D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:14:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david.narayan@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so224403nzk for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:14:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SS8HdW6pIdprPi9hLjHzgr6j4sV4OI3aXMPlKcMvLcC4EcySmfOkLio6acRnck5rvMW9N7+kfNtmLuI0VJBo5k1DvQm/YaPTo8kAcE3blKrbpAK3ppslecKfWikDGl4EME5bhS5NaCp+Sa66fpqfnjApTPo/WLTlX6D5D0traqY= Received: by 10.36.36.5 with SMTP id j5mr51946nzj; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.18.29 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <806cdffb0510060514l47def5e6vbb699c6cf8ae9390@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:14:23 -0400 From: David Narayan To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: New web site paragraphs X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Narayan List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:14:26 -0000 Great job on the new web site! My only comment is that the readability of the paragraphs might be improved by changing the line-height for p, ol, li, and ul to 1.4em or 1.6em instead of 1.2em. -David From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 12:18:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F2416A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:18:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rd3ph-fbsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web31513.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31513.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BA1243D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:18:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rd3ph-fbsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40083 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2005 12:18:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=U/vxypGSET8ctpmEAHx+5hI187ccsGy95/YMuXl6G3wCE03r6hXxCVI4oM40A7zyFnY8jnx8gxoGQ18WEbC0CDetws+WKe9QjafdSnosrDttbTXDHQ0E3sF/E3wTMD5EYyrOd7cY5bB5VjftRYGS+8M2xFPID9Qeik3/DWPAwno= ; Message-ID: <20051006121813.40081.qmail@web31513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.125.196.119] by web31513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:18:13 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:18:13 -0700 (PDT) From: To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: New web page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rd3ph-fbsd@yahoo.com List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:18:18 -0000 The new site looks great. I have two suggestions: 1. Put a link to the search page (http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html) under SHORTCUTS or provide an "Advanced Search" link that gets us there. 2. If your address (freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org) is on the site, it's hard to find. Could you add it, or make it more prominent? Thank you, Rob. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 12:50:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41B616A420 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:50:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E99A43D55 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:50:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96CoF6S064701 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:50:15 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96CoFSV064687; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:50:15 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:50:15 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510061250.j96CoFSV064687@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Sutharsan Kathirgamu Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387AF16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:48:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE74643D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:48:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96CmrXK006283 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:48:53 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j96CmrJf006281; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:48:53 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510061248.j96CmrJf006281@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:48:53 GMT From: Sutharsan Kathirgamu To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/86989: Support and Consulting Link Addition X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:50:16 -0000 >Number: 86989 >Category: www >Synopsis: Support and Consulting Link Addition >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 12:50:15 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sutharsan Kathirgamu >Release: 4.x and 5.x >Organization: Linux Network Care >Environment: >Description: Dear Sir, Could you please add our company listing to your support section of this website, our team support freebsd 4.x and 5.x. Company Info : Name : Linux Network Care URL : http://www.linuxnetworkcare.com Email : sales@linuxnetworkcare.com Contact : Sutha Kathir Phone :1-877-247-7973 Description: Linux Network Care, Toronto, Ontario. *Linux Network Care* specializes in providing Linux and FreeBSD based solutions for small, medium and corporate sized businesses. We pride ourselves on our delivery of dependable network solutions, world class server administration, tight server security and easy to understand Linux training. We also provide desktop integration with Ubuntu (linux). Thanks in advance Regars Sutha sutha@linuxnetworkcare.com >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 13:20:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92D616A420 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:20:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798E743D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:20:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96DKLGv070563 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:20:21 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96DKKJY070562; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:20:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:20:20 GMT Message-Id: <200510061320.j96DKKJY070562@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: Daniel Gerzo Cc: Subject: Re: www/86989: Support and Consulting Link Addition X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:20:21 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/86989; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Daniel Gerzo To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, xerophyte@linuxnetworkcare.com Cc: remko@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86989: Support and Consulting Link Addition Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:18:02 +0200 Here is proper diff: --- consult.xml~ Sun Oct 2 17:49:30 2005 +++ consult.xml Thu Oct 6 15:14:51 2005 @@ -675,6 +675,20 @@ + + Linux Network Care + http://www.linuxnetworkcare.com/ + + Linux Network Care is based in Toronto, Ontario. Our company is + specialized in providing Linux and FreeBSD based solutions for + small, medium and corporate sized businesses. We provide + ourselves on our delivery of dependable network solutions, world + class server administration, tight server security and easy to + understand Linux training. We also provide desktop integration + with Ubuntu Linux. + + + Lionra Support Services Ltd. http://www.lionra.com/ -- Sincerely, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 14:02:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2613116A420 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:02:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (mail.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0853743D5C for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:02:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Received: from caspian.scsiguy.com (caspian.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96E27DW083259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:02:07 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" To: freeBSD-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.0b4 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Content "shift" on title bar navigation X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:02:10 -0000 Navigating to the "Documentation", "Community", and "Support" tabs from any of the others, causes the whole layout to shift to the right with Firefox: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050925 Firefox/1.0.7 Don't know if it can be fixed or not, but the shift is a bit annoying. -- Justin From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 14:02:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B6116A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:02:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF87E43D73; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:02:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from flame.pc (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226]) by kane.otenet.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with SMTP id j96E2pSJ028844; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:02:51 +0300 Received: from flame.pc (flame [127.0.0.1]) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j96E1vnO082240; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:01:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j96E1vO6082239; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:01:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:01:57 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: George Danchev Message-ID: <20051006140156.GA82130@flame.pc> References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> <200510061121.05894.danchev@spnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510061121.05894.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: Ceri Davies , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:02:55 -0000 On 2005-10-06 11:21, George Danchev wrote: >On Thursday 06 October 2005 11:16, Ceri Davies wrote: >> The PR database is for bugs. I don't consider this a bug. > > OK, Agreed. > >> Please raise your issues on the appropriate mailing list >> (www@FreeBSD.org) for discussion. > > To elaborate a little bit. > > I'm not a webmaster that's for sure, but what I miss from the old site > are the two panes directly displaying important bullet lists > information (about Platforms, Software, Documentation, Support, Bug > Reports, Development, Release, etc). Now I should dig the new site and > following uneeded links to get the informations. Please add the old, > good and informative panes from the old site. There's always the "WTF is this new stuff anyway? I was comfortable and cozy with the old one". Understandable, but don't let the "new stuff" factor blind you to any good things the new design has too :) > Also you do not need big pictures in the center of the site, it should > be filled with important texts (as it used to be). Important for whom? Others will quickly jump up and start arguing that "a couple of well placed, catchy images are worth a thousand words each". Note that I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying. I'm only stating the fact that these are *YOUR* opinions, which you have *every* right to have but it should probably take a lot more than ``This sucks, fix it'' to get anything done :) From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 14:25:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D07816A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:25:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david.brockus@onenet.net) Received: from fes.osrhe.edu (fes.osrhe.edu [164.58.253.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7ED943D48; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:25:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david.brockus@onenet.net) Received: from shrike.osrhe.edu ([10.10.253.6]) by fes.osrhe.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:25:14 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:25:11 -0500 Message-ID: <936EAEBD8D02D842B4105B7CB753FDB8E0A88D@SHRIKE> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website Thread-Index: AcXKCtgxlDqYhtwJQM24r/zl8QS3lQAdnCWA From: "Brockus, David" To: "Murray Stokely" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2005 14:25:14.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4A7CB50:01C5CA81] Cc: Subject: RE: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:25:16 -0000 Hello, Emily did an excellent job. The site is definitely more functional and more aesthetically pleasing. Regards, David -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-announce@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-announce@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Murray Stokely Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:12 PM To: announce@freebsd.org Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you think. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith College that we had the pleasure of working with through Google's Summer of Code program. We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate and more aesthetically pleasing. We look forward to improving the site further over the coming weeks as we work to bring a fresh face to the FreeBSD web presence. To learn more about the other great Summer of Code projects that students completed this summer, please visit: http://wikitest.freebsd.org/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode2005 You may also still see the old design for our website archived at: http://www.FreeBSD.org/old Thanks again to Emily for helping us get the word out about FreeBSD! Enjoy, - FreeBSD WWW Team _______________________________________________ freebsd-announce@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-announce To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-announce-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 15:04:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D575F16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:04:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ritamari.vonostingroup.com [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AA643D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:04:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1ENXIr-0003YI-U8 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:05:02 -0400 Message-ID: <43453D19.1030809@tvog.net> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:04:57 -0400 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Bug in docs.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:04:59 -0000 I noticed that the man.cgi on docs.html is linking to "./cgi/man.cgi" Is this the intended location? the previous site linked all cgi scripts to "http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/*" so that mirror sites would not have to utilize their resources for serving up the dynamic content. Also, a quick note on send-pr.html. Why is there an image verification field on there now? Wouldnt an automated script still be able to use send-pr(1)? so whats the point of this? Hope this helps. -- __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 15:06:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE60716A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:06:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7716F43D48; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:06:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD4C11A31B; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:07:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 136E611AD1; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:06:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:06:30 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20051006150629.GC1002@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20051006111750.GT72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NKoe5XOeduwbEQHU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051006111750.GT72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:06:32 -0000 --NKoe5XOeduwbEQHU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Redirected to -www since that's where stuff about the web page should be discussed, not -stable] On 2005.10.06 21:17:50 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > I'd suggest that the most important feature that is missing is a > website map. The website looks nothing like it used to and many of my > commonly referenced links are no longer on the home page. Finding my > way around is going to be very time consuming until I learn my way > around it. That sounds like a good idea. We have http://www.freebsd.org/search/index-site.html but it's in need of an update, and probably some place more visible to be linked from. > On the positive side, I'm glad that it's still usable with a text > browser. IMO actually even more than before. > On the downside, I notice it now uses cookies. AFAIR (I haven't double checked) it uses a cookie to remember if you choose normal or large font - it's not required. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --NKoe5XOeduwbEQHU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRT11h9pcDSc1mlERAlrxAJ9ZCCdTqCLn1aMxyf7+K6ke35wQ1QCfUUzJ IceRskmcXNaf4wNXZcZXTCY= =99GR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NKoe5XOeduwbEQHU-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 15:34:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4317716A438; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EEA43D53; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96FYMb4087672; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:22 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96FYMFm087668; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:22 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:22 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510061534.j96FYMFm087668@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86898: Would like to be added to Hardware Vendors category X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:34:24 -0000 Synopsis: Would like to be added to Hardware Vendors category Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 15:34:12 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will look into this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86898 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 15:34:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E5016A420 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CABF43D4C for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC1911A31B; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:35:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 0F37D11AD1; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:34:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:34:38 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Frank Laszlo Message-ID: <20051006153436.GE1002@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <43453D19.1030809@tvog.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cYtjc4pxslFTELvY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43453D19.1030809@tvog.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug in docs.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:34:40 -0000 --cYtjc4pxslFTELvY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.06 11:04:57 -0400, Frank Laszlo wrote: > I noticed that the man.cgi on docs.html is linking to "./cgi/man.cgi" > Is this the intended location? the previous site linked all cgi scripts= =20 > to "http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/*" so that mirror sites would not have > to utilize their resources for serving up the dynamic content. Indeed, fixed. (will be online with next rebuild). > Also, a quick note on send-pr.html. Why is there an image verification=20 > field on there now? This has actually been there for a long time (at least a year or so AFAIR). > Wouldnt an automated script still be able to use send-pr(1)? so whats=20 > the point of this? In theory yes, but we have spam filtering there which works OK. In the past we have had big problems with abuse of the web send-pr form, which is why the image verification was added. > Hope this helps. It does, thanks! --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --cYtjc4pxslFTELvY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRUQMh9pcDSc1mlERApnoAKCnu07liY1RAe8GdJdpyFdiiqf0MACffTrJ auBF7jqlFAmmPDr1Ndzto2s= =7pj7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cYtjc4pxslFTELvY-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 15:34:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEE016A428; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6E243D6A; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96FYe53087724; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:40 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96FYecO087720; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:40 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:40 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510061534.j96FYecO087720@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86981: New user group X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:34:43 -0000 Synopsis: New user group Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 15:34:32 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will work on this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86981 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 15:35:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA3916A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:35:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D8A43D78; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96FYuGg087772; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:56 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96FYuvU087768; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:56 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:34:56 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510061534.j96FYuvU087768@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86989: Support and Consulting Link Addition X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:35:01 -0000 Synopsis: Support and Consulting Link Addition Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 15:34:47 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will work on this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86989 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 15:37:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B84216A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:37:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE2543D46; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:37:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96FbsLv087884; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:37:54 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96Fbspo087880; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:37:54 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:37:54 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510061537.j96Fbspo087880@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/41379: Cannot browse directory tree on FreeBSD mirror site with web browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:37:54 -0000 Synopsis: Cannot browse directory tree on FreeBSD mirror site with web browser Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 15:37:38 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will look into this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=41379 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 15:40:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110A816A420; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:40:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E9343D49; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:40:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96Fe7IS088033; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:40:07 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96Fe7kS088029; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:40:07 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:40:07 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510061540.j96Fe7kS088029@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sub01@freeode.co.uk, remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/73551: List archive 'quoted-printable' corruption. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:40:08 -0000 Synopsis: List archive 'quoted-printable' corruption. State-Changed-From-To: open->suspended State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 15:38:49 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: I will suspend this record because it does not seem worth the effort to fix this. We (Keramida and I) think that it is more work to fix it, causing a heavier load on the freebsd servers then it will actually solve. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 15:38:49 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Make me responsible for this since i last touched it. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=73551 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 16:12:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB42A16A420; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:12:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954E343D46; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:12:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96GC0sg093707; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:12:00 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96GC0po093699; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:12:00 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:12:00 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510061612.j96GC0po093699@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jkmyers@wichita.edu, remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86964: on my 800x600 monitor, the website needs to be scrolled horizontally even at normal text size. X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:12:01 -0000 Synopsis: on my 800x600 monitor, the website needs to be scrolled horizontally even at normal text size. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 16:10:55 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: Close this PR since GNATS is for bugs and this is not a bug. Please discuss this issue on www@FreeBSD.org Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 16:10:55 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I touched the PR last, so make me responsible. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86964 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 16:20:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8F416A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:20:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFE943D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:20:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96GKESa093909 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:20:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96GKDm6093908; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:20:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:20:13 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510061620.j96GKDm6093908@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, David Stanford Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C0416A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:10:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E2243D53 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:10:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96GAoZg077237 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:10:50 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j96GAoUS077236; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:10:50 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510061610.j96GAoUS077236@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:10:50 GMT From: David Stanford To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/86996: Please list us under Vendors > Internet Service Providers X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:20:14 -0000 >Number: 86996 >Category: www >Synopsis: Please list us under Vendors > Internet Service Providers >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 16:20:13 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: David Stanford >Release: 4.11 5.3 5.4 i386 amd64 >Organization: Aplus.Net >Environment: >Description: Aplus.Net is a facilities based provider located in San Diego, CA since 1995. We provide Web Hosting, Dedicated Servers, Domain Names, Web Design, and E-Commerce solutions. We offer our customer's the power and stability of the FreeBSD OS with our Web Hosting and Dedicated Servers. Aplus.Net, everything for your online business. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 16:21:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D08916A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:21:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBA043D48; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:21:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96GLBtl094045; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:21:11 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96GLBrp094041; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:21:11 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:21:11 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510061621.j96GLBrp094041@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86996: Please list us under Vendors > Internet Service Providers X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:21:11 -0000 Synopsis: Please list us under Vendors > Internet Service Providers Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 16:21:01 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will work on this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86996 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 16:43:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5D016A420 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:43:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C26E543D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:43:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 23378 invoked by uid 104); 6 Oct 2005 16:43:19 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 3.673636 secs); 06 Oct 2005 16:43:19 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.5 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.29.150) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 16:43:15 -0000 From: George Danchev To: Giorgos Keramidas Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:43:13 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> <200510061121.05894.danchev@spnet.net> <20051006140156.GA82130@flame.pc> In-Reply-To: <20051006140156.GA82130@flame.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:43:28 -0000 On Thursday 06 October 2005 17:01, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2005-10-06 11:21, George Danchev wrote: > >On Thursday 06 October 2005 11:16, Ceri Davies wrote: > >> The PR database is for bugs. I don't consider this a bug. > > > > OK, Agreed. > > > >> Please raise your issues on the appropriate mailing list > >> (www@FreeBSD.org) for discussion. > > > > To elaborate a little bit. > > > > I'm not a webmaster that's for sure, but what I miss from the old site > > are the two panes directly displaying important bullet lists > > information (about Platforms, Software, Documentation, Support, Bug > > Reports, Development, Release, etc). Now I should dig the new site and > > following uneeded links to get the informations. Please add the old, > > good and informative panes from the old site. > > There's always the "WTF is this new stuff anyway? I was comfortable and > cozy with the old one". Understandable, but don't let the "new stuff" > factor blind you to any good things the new design has too :) What I'm supposed to say when you lose trading efficiency for aesthetics for no good reasons ? Ok, it is beautiful, but wastes people's time with useless navigations. My workaround for the time being is bypassing it via google (take a look for efficiency) 'site: freebsd.org query' which returns me clean, sane and flat list of what I'm looking for. > > Also you do not need big pictures in the center of the site, it should > > be filled with important texts (as it used to be). > > Important for whom? Others will quickly jump up and start arguing that > "a couple of well placed, catchy images are worth a thousand words each". > > Note that I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying. I'm You are not the only one. There are multiple complaints left unaddressed targeting the new site's efficiency: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002898.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002889.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002902.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002914.html ... > only stating the fact that these are *YOUR* opinions, which you have > *every* right to have but it should probably take a lot more than > > ``This sucks, fix it'' This is not what I said! > to get anything done :) It has already been said that the important links should stay on the main page, not forcing people digging hard for stuff. Look at the old site's left pane for example. These are the bullet lists links for Platforms, Software, Documentation, Support, Bug Reports, Development (at least) along with their submenus as links. Just one-click away - clean, sane and simple. Also my personal opinion is that the new site should have been placed at freebsd.org/new and discussed to death before surprising people unexpectedly, while the old one mentions about the prospective change and link to how it would look at "Project News" (old's right pane) not the other way around like to place the production one at old/ and fixing new site bugs on the fly. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 17:19:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB8316A421 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:19:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589E843D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:19:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 10FD011B29; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:19:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:19:29 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: George Danchev Message-ID: <20051006171928.GB893@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> <200510061121.05894.danchev@spnet.net> <20051006140156.GA82130@flame.pc> <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:19:32 -0000 --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.06 19:43:13 +0300, George Danchev wrote: > On Thursday 06 October 2005 17:01, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2005-10-06 11:21, George Danchev wrote: > > >On Thursday 06 October 2005 11:16, Ceri Davies wrote: > > >> The PR database is for bugs. I don't consider this a bug. > > > > > > OK, Agreed. > > > > > >> Please raise your issues on the appropriate mailing list > > >> (www@FreeBSD.org) for discussion. > > > > > > To elaborate a little bit. > > > > > > I'm not a webmaster that's for sure, but what I miss from the old site > > > are the two panes directly displaying important bullet lists > > > information (about Platforms, Software, Documentation, Support, Bug > > > Reports, Development, Release, etc). Now I should dig the new site and > > > following uneeded links to get the informations. Please add the old, > > > good and informative panes from the old site. > > > > There's always the "WTF is this new stuff anyway? I was comfortable and > > cozy with the old one". Understandable, but don't let the "new stuff" > > factor blind you to any good things the new design has too :) >=20 > What I'm supposed to say when you lose trading efficiency for aesthetics = for=20 > no good reasons ? Ok, it is beautiful, but wastes people's time with usel= ess=20 It's not done for aesthetics (at least that's not the main reason). The main problem with the old front page of the web site (from my point of view) was that it was _way_ to cluddered. Yes it was OK if you knew the entire front page, but if you didn't there was just way to many links that really didn't need to be there. > > > Also you do not need big pictures in the center of the site, it should > > > be filled with important texts (as it used to be). > > > > Important for whom? Others will quickly jump up and start arguing that > > "a couple of well placed, catchy images are worth a thousand words each= ". > > > > Note that I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying. I'm >=20 > You are not the only one. There are multiple complaints left unaddressed= =20 > targeting the new site's efficiency: I really think it's unfair to say that complaints are left unaddressed considering it's less than 24 hours since the new site went online. Yes there are things that need to be changed, it was never the plan to just change to the new web site and then leave it. We knew that there where things that should be improved, but it's much simpler to do once we have it in our many CVS repository and people have had some time to digest the new site. >=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002898.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002889.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002902.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002914.html > ... >=20 > > only stating the fact that these are *YOUR* opinions, which you have > > *every* right to have but it should probably take a lot more than > > > > ``This sucks, fix it'' >=20 > This is not what I said! Note Giorgos' smiley at the next line. > > to get anything done :) >=20 > It has already been said that the important links should stay on the main= =20 > page, not forcing people digging hard for stuff. I agree, but defining what is important is really hard since we have many different types of users of the web site. E.g. we have new commers that want to learn about FreeBSD, regular users, developers etc etc. > Look at the old site's left=20 > pane for example. These are the bullet lists links for Platforms, Softwar= e,=20 > Documentation, Support, Bug Reports, Development (at least) along with th= eir=20 > submenus as links. Just one-click away - clean, sane and simple. And way too many links almost never used which made it hard to find the important parts (IMO). > Also my personal opinion is that the new site should have been placed at= =20 > freebsd.org/new and discussed to death before surprising people unexpecte= dly,=20 It has been said many times on the doc/www mailing lists that we would do this so anybody that was really interested in the topic and have been on our mailing lists have already had a chance to suggest improvments. Also note that over the last year or so there has been several longs threads about the topic. Also, discussing it to death would just have meant exactly that - nothing would have changed. I'm sorry that you don't find the new web site to be an improvement, but I and many other people do. And belive me, this was _not_ done to annoy people. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRVygh9pcDSc1mlERAtTyAJ48Qmhr09fbIIyJlLbHxUF0+Zkw2ACghZeN HEI71TseH6wqDK4p6xAkSQE= =Yxm+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 17:31:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E404716A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:31:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from devon.odell@gmail.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F36743D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:31:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from devon.odell@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o12so376035qba for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:31:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jpGp4u7b9UDBPyM/o3824+2FtkZPDpF71GwUMQKeuBgySF3oFuGcYObQQQr4/kPuTdY2KIlgCqmcvXzX/cU/0jPaf/ZRbnl+ShJYIJvRKtuB10kkCY6zdl8kOt0otslKn/h/n/4Isg0JUTRdiwp9XsjDPpOqv+BG6bkaQIOAQLo= Received: by 10.64.185.5 with SMTP id i5mr1034200qbf; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.185.19 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9ab217670510061024v56064573x@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:24:34 -0700 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" To: George Danchev In-Reply-To: <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> <200510061121.05894.danchev@spnet.net> <20051006140156.GA82130@flame.pc> <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Devon H. O'Dell" List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:31:09 -0000 > Also my personal opinion is that the new site should have been placed at > freebsd.org/new and discussed to death before surprising people unexpecte= dly, > while the old one mentions about the prospective change and link to how i= t > would look at "Project News" (old's right pane) not the other way around = like > to place the production one at old/ and fixing new site bugs on the fly. This discussion to death is what killed any work on the site in the first place. The old site was ugly, difficult to navigate, and didn't contain a whole bunch of useful information on the front page, anyway. The most useful stuff has been retained and is easily accessible by clicking the `Learn More' link. Trying to find anything in the old site (if you aren't a daily visitor -- and I never have been) was a huge pain in the ass. The new site makes information visible and accessible and has a much more readable color scheme to boot. Also, this site has been discussed quite a bit over the last months. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is that this is a necessary and very worthy ``face-lift.'' -Devon H. O'Dell From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 17:37:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA6816A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:37:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from web@merit.edu) Received: from fiji.merit.edu (fiji.merit.edu [198.108.1.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489E743D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:37:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from web@merit.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fiji.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9DD18A4; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web1.merit.edu (web1.merit.edu [198.108.62.192]) by fiji.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B59218A1; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from web@localhost) by web1.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA02600; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:37:40 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20051006133740.V27@web1.merit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Murray Stokely , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1us X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at merit.edu Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:37:42 -0000 According to Murray Stokely : > > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 10:33:09AM -0400, William Bulley wrote: > > > > I liked the old design better. :-) > > > > Where is beastie? :-( > > On the front page, as always. Did you turn images off or something? Nope, mozilla 1.7.8 proudly running on FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE: "Accept images that come from the originating server only." > > I have to click through more links to get where I wish to go. > > The main complaint with the old site was that there were WAY too many > cluttered links on the front page. But I liked those links -- nobody asked me... ;^) > Still we know it's not perfect and are looking to improve it further. > If you have specific suggestions please mail them to > freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org and/or open up a PR about them. Put it back the way it was? > Thanks for the feedback! > > - Murray You're most welcome. :-) I'm just glad to see that someone is paying attention. Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 17:56:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BE316A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:56:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D67343D4C; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:56:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 9408E11B01; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:56:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:56:29 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Sergey Matveychuk Message-ID: <20051006175628.GC893@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <4344BF59.5090003@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dkEUBIird37B8yKS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4344BF59.5090003@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: redundance in developers link on the new site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:56:31 -0000 --dkEUBIird37B8yKS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.06 10:08:25 +0400, Sergey Matveychuk wrote: > When I've selected a 'Developers' item in horizontal menu I've found the= =20 > same item in left-sided menu. I've hoped to find there a developers list= =20 > or so, but the link points on the same page. > I think it's some weirdness. If you see the other main pages you get to by clicking the gray menu bar you will see the same thing. I'm rather sure it's done on purpose. Personally I don't really have an opinion for whether it's a good or bad thing - I can see argments both for not having the "duplicated" links and for having them. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --dkEUBIird37B8yKS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRWVMh9pcDSc1mlERAoNzAJ4+RZY6IwH8GcGLTPACVChNTAMiSwCfaqTq gMNoB1pzrXtd0wwXncInI6s= =B2BA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dkEUBIird37B8yKS-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 17:59:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9EB16A441 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:59:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CEB543D76 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:59:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 28348 invoked by uid 104); 6 Oct 2005 17:59:36 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-1.4/8.0):AWL, BAYES_05 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 1.450177 secs); 06 Oct 2005 17:59:36 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-1.4/8.0):AWL,BAYES_05 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -1.4 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_05 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.29.150) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 6 Oct 2005 17:59:34 -0000 From: George Danchev To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:59:33 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> <20051006171928.GB893@zaphod.nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <20051006171928.GB893@zaphod.nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510062059.34120.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:59:46 -0000 On Thursday 06 October 2005 20:19, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: --cut-- > Yes there are things that need to be changed, it was never the plan to > just change to the new web site and then leave it. We knew that there > where things that should be improved, but it's much simpler to do once > we have it in our many CVS repository and people have had some time to > digest the new site. This does not explain the deploying the new and unfinished web site in production without being announced on the old one and shown to the site visitors as in separate dir/. No all site visitors are supposed to read www/doc mailing lists, but all of them are vulnerable to unexpacted surprices. Also you might have distributed it in cvs repo as separate branch or dir or whatever without main site surprises. -cut-- > > It has already been said that the important links should stay on the main > > page, not forcing people digging hard for stuff. > > I agree, but defining what is important is really hard since we have > many different types of users of the web site. E.g. we have new > commers that want to learn about FreeBSD, regular users, developers > etc etc. Ok I hope you are collecting the requested links found in the old mainpage and not in the new one. > > Look at the old site's left > > pane for example. These are the bullet lists links for Platforms, > > Software, Documentation, Support, Bug Reports, Development (at least) > > along with their submenus as links. Just one-click away - clean, sane and > > simple. > > And way too many links almost never used which made it hard to find > the important parts (IMO). The important parts are now missing from the new site IMO and not only mine. > > Also my personal opinion is that the new site should have been placed at > > freebsd.org/new and discussed to death before surprising people > > unexpectedly, > > It has been said many times on the doc/www mailing lists that we would > do this so anybody that was really interested in the topic and have > been on our mailing lists have already had a chance to suggest improvments. Again, you do not need to challenge site visitors not tracking www/doc mailing lists. > Also note that over the last year or so there has been several longs > threads about the topic. Also, discussing it to death would just have > meant exactly that - nothing would have changed. As I already said you missed to deploy freebsd.org/new/ (whatever you have done for people to see), leave the old one as it used to be with a clear announce for the new one... instead of just placing the old and working one in old/. > I'm sorry that you don't find the new web site to be an improvement, > but I and many other people do. And belive me, this was _not_ done to > annoy people. I believe you. Just constructive critisism. And thanks God there are always other options to consider. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 18:10:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2477C16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:10:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8ED43D5E for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:10:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96IAEWR009616 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:10:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96IAEvi009615; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:10:14 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:10:14 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510061810.j96IAEvi009615@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Baylac Jean-Dominique Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DE216A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:08:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F8D43D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:08:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96I8iLl093374 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:08:44 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j96I8i5j093304; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:08:44 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510061808.j96I8i5j093304@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:08:44 GMT From: Baylac Jean-Dominique To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/87002: adding our company on Commercial vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:10:16 -0000 >Number: 87002 >Category: www >Synopsis: adding our company on Commercial vendors >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 18:10:14 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Baylac Jean-Dominique >Release: >Organization: Venigo Internet Services >Environment: >Description: Venigo Internet Services is a french company who provide hosting solutions ( shared, dedicated, colocation) and vpn solutions based on FreeBSD. We are also able to provide management & support on variety of BSD & Linux systems. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 18:28:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0C716A445 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:28:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Received: from entwistle.sonicboom.org (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D249543D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:28:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by entwistle.sonicboom.org (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96ISQbj041850 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Message-ID: <43456C9A.1000000@sonicboom.org> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:27:38 -0700 From: Brian User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: new site still has language problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:28:27 -0000 If I search for Ethernet error, the first few matches are not found or not English. If I click the en link or select one of the USA sites from the dropdown, I still get this maddening non english result behavior. Brian From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 18:50:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F39516A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:50:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D0643D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:50:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96IoAN6012047 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:50:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96IoAu0012046; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:50:10 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:50:10 GMT Message-Id: <200510061850.j96IoAu0012046@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: Murray Stokely Cc: Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Murray Stokely List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:50:11 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/86970; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Murray Stokely To: George Danchev Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:44:50 -0700 This PR is probably just going to be closed. You'll need to be more specific if you want specific changes made. We appreciate feedback but this is not helpful feedback. 'just change it back' is going to get lost in the noise of the more positive or more detailed criticisms. We have other more specific CSS/layout issues to addres. The old site was cluttered and difficult to find any information. It was also about a decade old and many of the pages were huge and poorly structured as it had grown organically since 1995. - Murray On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:21:04AM +0000, George Danchev wrote: > > >Number: 86970 > >Category: www > >Synopsis: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love > >Confidential: no > >Severity: non-critical > >Priority: low > >Responsible: freebsd-www > >State: open > >Quarter: > >Keywords: > >Date-Required: > >Class: change-request > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 06:30:17 GMT 2005 > >Closed-Date: > >Last-Modified: > >Originator: George Danchev > >Release: > >Organization: > government / military > >Environment: > >Description: > The new web site looks like a commercial portal instead of free software one. It is not as clean as the old one was. Too many buzztricks in front of it and important information is thrown away somewhere behind that new and stupid face. It doesn't fit the look of the handbook as found currently at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ > and other useful resources we all know and love. > > >How-To-Repeat: > visit www.freebsd.org > >Fix: > Return the old site look and feel or make the new one looks like it at least as much as possible > >Release-Note: > >Audit-Trail: > >Unformatted: > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-www@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-www-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 18:54:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E3B16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:54:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sfarren@gwdg.de) Received: from mailer.gwdg.de (mailer.gwdg.de [134.76.10.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371AE43D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:54:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sfarren@gwdg.de) Received: from dfnhome169.gwdg.de ([134.76.22.169]) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ENat2-00052R-Hm for freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:54:37 +0200 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:54:33 +0200 From: Stefan Farrenkopf To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <3C577ECCE0DCD249FE013DE3@dfnhome169.gwdg.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.0 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website (fwd) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:54:38 -0000 Hello www-team, please take a look at my note about the new FreeBSD website. I sent this first to Murray. best wishes, Stefan PS: now I have seen another thing wich may be a mistake: The page is not fully integrated into the new website. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: 6. Oktober 2005 11:45:56 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Stefan Farrenkopf Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website Return-path: Delivery-date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:46:03 +0200 Received: from mailer.gwdg.de ([134.76.10.26]) by mailbox.gwdg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ENakl-0002FV-Fz for sfarren@gwdg.de; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:46:03 +0200 Received: from ns1.freebsdmall.com ([69.50.233.146] helo=mail.freebsdmall.com) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ENakj-0001tl-MY for sfarren@gwdg.de; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:46:03 +0200 Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 67C281CC6F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:45:56 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Stefan Farrenkopf Cc: Murray Stokely Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website Message-ID: <20051006184556.GH3888@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D X-Callback-Status: (ok) X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 19:03:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614D316A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:03:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D5643D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:03:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1ENb1q-0008UJ-EO; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:03:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:03:42 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Frank Laszlo Message-ID: <20051006190342.GB99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Frank Laszlo , freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <43453D19.1030809@tvog.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43453D19.1030809@tvog.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bug in docs.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:03:47 -0000 --bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 11:04:57AM -0400, Frank Laszlo wrote: > I noticed that the man.cgi on docs.html is linking to "./cgi/man.cgi" > Is this the intended location? the previous site linked all cgi scripts= =20 > to "http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/*" so that mirror sites would not have > to utilize their resources for serving up the dynamic content. >=20 > Also, a quick note on send-pr.html. Why is there an image verification=20 > field on there now? > Wouldnt an automated script still be able to use send-pr(1)? so whats=20 > the point of this? Our trolls are more retarded than most, let's leave it at that ;-) Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRXUOocfcwTS3JF8RAjimAKC2WIIPOTi+Ox0rf1ldXOr2NhZ8ZACeKiBN vb4KVYI5SrrKU/OL4K4oKIs= =L67H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bCsyhTFzCvuiizWE-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 19:20:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B20916A420 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:20:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1611E43D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:20:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96JKIs1017453 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:20:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96JKIV4017452; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:20:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:20:18 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510061920.j96JKIV4017452@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Daniel Gerzo Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F2216A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:18:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E24543D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:18:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047981CD9F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:18:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 42C141CC68; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:18:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20051006191843.42C141CC68@mail.rulez.sk> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:18:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Gerzo To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: Subject: www/87007: Add missing submit button to the Mirrors form on new web page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:20:19 -0000 >Number: 87007 >Category: www >Synopsis: Add missing submit button to the Mirrors form on new web page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 19:20:18 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Daniel Gerzo >Release: FreeBSD 5.4 i386 >Organization: rulez.sk >Environment: System: FreeBSD daemon.rulez.sk 5.4 #2: Fri May 27 23:16:31 CEST 2005 danger@daemon.rulez.sk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/daemon i386 >Description: We have missed a submit button for the mirrors formular on new web site, so one is not able to change mirror. In my fix, I've also included the change to the layout.css so that the submit button fits to the new web-site layout. >How-To-Repeat: check http://www.freebsd.org/ >Fix: Here are the needed changes: --- layout.css.diff begins here --- --- layout.css.orig Thu Oct 6 11:31:22 2005 +++ layout.css Thu Oct 6 21:04:20 2005 @@ -142,6 +142,13 @@ color: #666; } +#MIRROR input, #mirror input { + font-size: 0.8em; + background: transparent; + color: #666; + border: 1px solid #DADADA; +} + /* Content */ #CONTENT, #content { @@ -487,4 +494,4 @@ img { border: 0; -} \ No newline at end of file +} --- layout.css.diff ends here --- --- index.xsl.diff begins here --- --- index.xsl.orig Wed Oct 5 13:58:15 2005 +++ index.xsl Thu Oct 6 21:07:47 2005 @@ -139,6 +139,7 @@ + --- index.xsl.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 19:37:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09F916A420; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E06043D46; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96Jbei2019093; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:37:40 GMT (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96JbexC019089; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:37:40 GMT (envelope-from blackend) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:37:40 GMT From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200510061937.j96JbexC019089@freefall.freebsd.org> To: danger@rulez.sk, blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87007: Add missing submit button to the Mirrors form on new web page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:37:41 -0000 Synopsis: Add missing submit button to the Mirrors form on new web page State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: blackend State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 19:37:23 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: Committed. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87007 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 20:11:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442F116A420; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:11:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soc-emily@freebsd.org) Received: from vorlon.rememberthemilk.com (vorlon.rememberthemilk.com [72.21.39.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B299043D4C; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:11:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soc-emily@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vorlon.rememberthemilk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04658FC01C; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vorlon.rememberthemilk.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vorlon.rememberthemilk.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28229-08; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [131.229.165.130]) by vorlon.rememberthemilk.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A9FFC019; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <434584F3.1070902@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:11:31 -0400 From: Emily Boyd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille References: <200510061937.j96JbexC019089@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200510061937.j96JbexC019089@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rememberthemilk.com Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, danger@rulez.sk Subject: Re: www/87007: Add missing submit button to the Mirrors form on new web page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:11:49 -0000 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Synopsis: Add missing submit button to the Mirrors form on new web page > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: blackend > State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 19:37:23 GMT 2005 > State-Changed-Why: > Committed. Thanks! > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87007 That's not *quite* the right fix, as the 'Go' button is now sitting underneath the mirrors select list (instead of next to it). I'll provide the correct fix soon - this will also need to be changed on the other language homepages in addition to the English one. Emily From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 20:21:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E797E16A421; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:21:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1756443D45; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:21:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (gothic.blackend.org [192.168.1.203]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96KL9ep063035; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:21:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96KL9os037628; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:21:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@gothic.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j96KL9MU037627; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:21:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:21:09 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Emily Boyd Message-ID: <20051006202109.GF596@gothic.blackend.org> References: <200510061937.j96JbexC019089@freefall.freebsd.org> <434584F3.1070902@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <434584F3.1070902@freebsd.org> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, danger@rulez.sk Subject: Re: www/87007: Add missing submit button to the Mirrors form on new web page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:21:12 -0000 On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 04:11:31PM -0400, Emily Boyd wrote: > Marc Fonvieille wrote: > >Synopsis: Add missing submit button to the Mirrors form on new web page > > > >State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > >State-Changed-By: blackend > >State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 19:37:23 GMT 2005 > >State-Changed-Why: > >Committed. Thanks! > > > >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87007 > > That's not *quite* the right fix, as the 'Go' button is now sitting > underneath the mirrors select list (instead of next to it). > I had a doubt but let's see that as a temp. fix. > I'll provide the correct fix soon - this will also need to be changed on > the other language homepages in addition to the English one. Thanks. The localized pages will be updated by the translation teams as soon as the en_US version will be fixed; I mean that most of time you don't have to worry about the translated versions, it's translators job. Marc From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 20:25:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8B016A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:25:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from mail.rulez.sk (DaEmoN.RuLeZ.sK [84.16.32.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B03B43D45; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:25:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danger@rulez.sk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A301CD75; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:25:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.rulez.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D75D1CD73; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:25:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:23:47 +0200 From: Daniel Gerzo X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.5) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1626868959.20051006222347@rulez.sk> To: Emily Boyd In-Reply-To: <434584F3.1070902@freebsd.org> References: <200510061937.j96JbexC019089@freefall.freebsd.org> <434584F3.1070902@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.rulez.sk X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.411 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.988, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -3.411 X-Spam-Level: Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, Marc Fonvieille Subject: Re[2]: www/87007: Add missing submit button to the Mirrors form on new web page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:25:52 -0000 Hello Emily, Thursday, October 6, 2005, 10:11:31 PM, you wrote: > That's not *quite* the right fix, as the 'Go' button is now sitting > underneath the mirrors select list (instead of next to it). i've tried it to place it next to it, but I like it more, when it's under the select list... > I'll provide the correct fix soon - this will also need to be changed on > the other language homepages in addition to the English one. > Emily -- Sincerely, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 20:30:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BDA16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:30:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262DB43D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:30:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96KULAC025641 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:30:21 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96KUKoa025629; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:30:21 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:30:21 GMT Message-Id: <200510062030.j96KUKoa025629@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: George Danchev Cc: Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: George Danchev List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:30:21 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/86970; it has been noted by GNATS. From: George Danchev To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:21:17 +0300 On Thursday 06 October 2005 21:44, Murray Stokely wrote: > This PR is probably just going to be closed. You'll need to be more > specific if you want specific changes made. We appreciate feedback > but this is not helpful feedback. 'just change it back' is going to > get lost in the noise of the more positive or more detailed > criticisms. We have other more specific CSS/layout issues to addres. Ok, I admit that I was quite annoyed thus being too fast this morning filing a non-detailed PR. The thread of my explanations/wishlists start from here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-www/2005-October/002909.html p.s. I'm not subscribed to the list, please cc. -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 20:48:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DF216A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:48:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simonw@matteworld.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBD143D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 20:48:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simonw@matteworld.com) Received: from user-119bq9k.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.233.52] helo=matteworld.com) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ENcet-0006dB-00 for freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:48:07 -0400 Message-ID: <43458D85.6090207@matteworld.com> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:48:05 -0700 From: Simon Walton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; IRIX IP32; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040505 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: New site on Mozilla/irix X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 20:48:08 -0000 The new freebsd.org web pages don't come out quite right with Mozilla 1.6 on IRIX. The left side of the page is cut off (eg. most of the Latest News on the home page). It can be seen if the window is resized large enough. Some other web sites exhibit this also, so I'm sure the fault lies with mozilla. Still, it would be nice if it worked on irix, as the old web site did. Simon From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 21:29:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7EA16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:29:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from guillem@gmail.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE5C43D5E for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:29:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from guillem@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so92123nfe for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:29:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KjJvKyIdcaiZrBepB7JnB4joqeslZQ6hMIu17xfSPxCz7WMxUiNhMB7JP851gNYXlSpBn+keNVHSR9D8naTaTQLlXpzIWl7Wbu0qyUDahB2QwvjiO/EGT71Wbuz8wHY0sf5/CXJdN6QEVplPzpUCHMtamIpApKzx04LQQeMrghw= Received: by 10.48.233.7 with SMTP id f7mr60343nfh; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.244.15 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <778624140510061429q4189a2a0v4c00811e61884526@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:29:28 +0200 From: Guillem Cantallops Ramis Sender: guillem@gmail.com To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: I want my pixels back O:-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Guillem Cantallops Ramis List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:29:39 -0000 Overall I like the new design, but the white (wasted?) space at both sides is pretty annoying... and it gets worse on wide screens, look at these screenshots, I just took them in my PowerBook (yeah, I use Arial 16pt there, it's fine for webs using all 1280x854 pixels): http://bulma.net/beowulf/misc/freebsd_org_new.png http://bulma.net/beowulf/misc/freebsd_org_old.png -- Guillem From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 21:30:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B5E16A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:30:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19D543D62; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:29:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (remko@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96LTupg033013; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:29:56 GMT (envelope-from remko@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from remko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96LTuAZ033009; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:29:56 GMT (envelope-from remko) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:29:56 GMT From: Remko Lodder Message-Id: <200510062129.j96LTuAZ033009@freefall.freebsd.org> To: remko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, remko@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87002: adding our company on Commercial vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:30:01 -0000 Synopsis: adding our company on Commercial vendors Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->remko Responsible-Changed-By: remko Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Oct 6 21:29:38 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will work on this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87002 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 21:50:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7A016A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:50:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F048443D72 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:50:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96LoIDn034429 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:50:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96LoI9Y034428; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:50:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:50:18 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510062150.j96LoI9Y034428@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Nicolas Blais Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9CA16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:42:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD2C43D55 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:42:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96Lg7tI005476 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:42:07 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j96Lg735005475; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:42:07 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510062142.j96Lg735005475@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:42:07 GMT From: Nicolas Blais To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/87016: Missing a link to /ports in main page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 21:50:30 -0000 >Number: 87016 >Category: www >Synopsis: Missing a link to /ports in main page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 06 21:50:18 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Nicolas Blais >Release: 7-CURRENT >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD clk01a 7.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Oct 1 11:51:38 EDT 2005 root@clk01a:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CLK01A i386 >Description: A link to the ports database is missing in the new design of FreeBSD.org. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Just add a link somewhere ;) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 22:00:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2839E16A420 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:00:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A6243D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:00:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j96M0VTH035184 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:00:31 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j96M0V3M035181; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:00:31 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:00:31 GMT Message-Id: <200510062200.j96M0V3M035181@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: Daniel Gerzo Cc: Subject: Re: www/87016: Missing a link to /ports in main page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:00:32 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/87016; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Daniel Gerzo To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, nb_root@videotron.ca Cc: Subject: Re: www/87016: Missing a link to /ports in main page Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:59:11 +0200 This could be possible fix: --- index.xsl~ Thu Oct 6 23:57:23 2005 +++ index.xsl Thu Oct 6 23:57:46 2005 @@ -160,6 +160,9 @@ FAQ
  • + Ported Applications +
    • +
  • Foundation
    • -- Sincerely, Daniel Gerzo From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 22:12:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB1816A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:12:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B9D43D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:12:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so5927rne for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:12:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nBCZzO2AWsi5irvHSzWRdwHYr+qRBL1LePz3KmS/UAg6FB/0hqMr+vYxCr82IrwIes6QfCorbi273BY0Sx8ZDka+qx1JW6yqnU++bAXVFiHMLn/al1Kq8+V9Gl+G32ImxC+miKr0XF3+rryq62ldogkdwVoXW8w1kIk9f5nK/uo= Received: by 10.11.98.9 with SMTP id v9mr33027cwb; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.34 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:12:43 +0200 From: Aron Stansvik To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: I miss my Handbook link! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aron Stansvik List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:12:44 -0000 Hello. Great work on the new website. I just miss the direct link to the Handbook that the old design had. Any chance you could put that under "SHORTCUTS" in the new design? BTW, I have a vector (SVG) version of the BSD daemon I made a year ago, just to have something on my desktop. It think it would fit better with the new design than the one you currently have on the front page. I've emailed Mr. McKusick (the trademark holder for the BSD daemon) to get his blessing to send it over to you for consideration. Best regards, Aron Stansvik From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 22:17:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B23C16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:17:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nb_root@videotron.ca) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205D043D6A for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:16:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nb_root@videotron.ca) Received: from clk01a ([66.130.198.54]) by VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0INY0064GLW6V5E0@VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:16:48 -0400 From: Nicolas Blais In-reply-to: <200510062200.j96M0V3M035181@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Daniel Gerzo Message-id: <200510061816.53994.nb_root@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=nextPart17388157.jzyZvErxRs; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200510062200.j96M0V3M035181@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 Cc: Subject: Re: www/87016: Missing a link to /ports in main page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:17:08 -0000 --nextPart17388157.jzyZvErxRs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On October 6, 2005 06:00 pm, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > The following reply was made to PR www/87016; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Daniel Gerzo > To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, nb_root@videotron.ca > Cc: > Subject: Re: www/87016: Missing a link to /ports in main page > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:59:11 +0200 > > This could be possible fix: > > --- index.xsl~ Thu Oct 6 23:57:23 2005 > +++ index.xsl Thu Oct 6 23:57:46 2005 > @@ -160,6 +160,9 @@ > title=3D"FAQ">FAQ >
  • > + Por= ted > Applications +
    • > +
  • > title=3D"Foundation">Foundation
    • > > > -- > Sincerely, > Daniel Gerzo Actually, in the header it would probably make more sense. (Just an idea) =2D-- index.html.orig Thu Oct 6 18:14:03 2005 +++ index.html Thu Oct 6 18:14:32 2005 @@ -110,6 +110,9 @@
  • Documentation
    • =20 +
  • Ports
    • +
  • Community
    • Nicolas. =2D-=20 =46reeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #0: Sat Oct 1 11:51:38 EDT 2005 =20 root@clk01a:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CLK01A=20 PGP? : http://www.clkroot.net/security/nb_root.asc --nextPart17388157.jzyZvErxRs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDRaJVz38ton5LGeIRAkyBAJsELO3904XOg/ENFnq1lRKmxHUzowCeL1Gw V+dfyiaqMhd0J3kXQ0sNH7k= =puRU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart17388157.jzyZvErxRs-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 22:24:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D6616A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:24:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from len@ellips.ws) Received: from goris.xs4all.nl (goris.xs4all.nl [213.84.30.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67EA443D48 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:24:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from len@ellips.ws) Received: (qmail 17609 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2005 22:24:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by backup.goris.xs4all.nl (127.0.0.1) with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2005 22:24:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:24:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Lennaert Goris X-X-Sender: len@backup.goris.xs4all.nl To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:24:21 -0000 Great website, love the new design. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 22:28:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9ED16A41F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:28:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBDA43D45; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:28:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A46D3.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.70.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j96MS2xr081046; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:28:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j96MS0kc003812; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:28:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j96MSMS2080546; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:28:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j96MSMoo080545; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:28:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:28:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200510062228.j96MSMoo080545@fire.jhs.private> To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, webmaster@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com Munich Unix, BSD, Internet Consultancy Fcc: sent-mail User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org X-URL: http://berklix.com/~jhs/ Cc: Subject: New front page - big thread on stable@ X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:28:06 -0000 Hi www@ people There's a big thread about your new FreeBSD front page on stable@ at http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-October/018651.html Some like your new page, Some think it's Bad. I find it Bad (for why see thread), so have changed the include macro that generates a pseudo frame for the 280 pages I maintain, to no longer point at http://www.freebsd.org but to point to the original http://www.freebsd.org/old/ Julian -- Julian Stacey. Consultant Unix Net & Sys. Eng., Munich. http://berklix.com Mail Ascii not HTML. Ihr Rauch = meine allergischen Kopfschmerzen. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 22:53:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F21416A421; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:53:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603A543D46; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:53:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 4FB261CC6F; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:53:03 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: soc-emily@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051006225303.GG8320@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Is the style cookie really necessary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:53:03 -0000 Is this just for setting the text font size? Does it degrade gracefully? Something like 30% of the people in Europe browse with cookies disabled and a much higher percentage of freebsd users in europe do this. Could this cause beastie not displaying or any of the other weird issues mentioned? - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 23:28:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A56516A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:28:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B60843D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:28:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id F38251CC67; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 16:28:35 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Aron Stansvik Message-ID: <20051006232835.GK8320@freebsdmall.com> References: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: I miss my Handbook link! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:28:36 -0000 On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 12:12:43AM +0200, Aron Stansvik wrote: > Great work on the new website. I just miss the direct link to the > Handbook that the old design had. Any chance you could put that under > "SHORTCUTS" in the new design? I second this. I think the FreeBSD Handbook and the FreeBSD Ports Collection are two huge sells for FreeBSD and both should be added to the Shortcuts list. There is already a platforms link on the main page. So I think 'Platforms' should be removed from the Shortcuts list to make room so it does not look too cluttered after adding both of the above. Any objections? - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 02:20:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAAD16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:20:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D4743D48 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:20:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j972KFxB068855 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:20:15 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j972KFwJ068854; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:20:15 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:20:15 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510070220.j972KFwJ068854@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Eric Humphries Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF3A16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B6D43D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:10:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j972AKkC081440 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:10:20 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j972AK4S081415; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:10:20 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510070210.j972AK4S081415@www.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:10:20 GMT From: Eric Humphries To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/87025: Website inconsistency: missing platforms in menu X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:20:16 -0000 >Number: 87025 >Category: www >Synopsis: Website inconsistency: missing platforms in menu >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 07 02:20:14 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Eric Humphries >Release: 5.4-STABLE >Organization: n/a >Environment: FreeBSD refused 5.4-STABLE FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 20 04:38:09 CDT 2005 root@refused.thecoderguys.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: If you visit: http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/, you'll notice that the platforms list on the left is missing ppc, mips, and ARM. The Table of contents on the right side of the page contains the missing platforms. >How-To-Repeat: Visit http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/, the list on the left is inconsistant with the Table of contents on the right. >Fix: Simply add links to the missing platforms in the left navigation menu. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 03:21:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0AA16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:21:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rra@trilegiant.com) Received: from ns.trilegiant.com (ns.trilegiant.com [204.155.122.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9518A43D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:21:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rra@trilegiant.com) Received: from mailhub.cuc.com (bridgeport.cuc.com [206.28.153.210]) by ns.trilegiant.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j973LPIb006296 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:21:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:21:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Aliwalas X-X-Sender: rra@corvo.oakview2.trilegiant.com To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Cc: Subject: new web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:21:28 -0000 Hats off to Emily Boyd. The new site is just awesome. Beautiful to look at and conveys a lot of information in a coherent manner. Very much in the spirit of BSD unix! -rick aliwalas From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 03:28:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EFE16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:28:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D98143D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:27:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from flame.pc (patr530-a060.otenet.gr [212.205.215.60]) by rosebud.otenet.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j973RsPu028863; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:27:55 +0300 Received: from flame.pc (flame [127.0.0.1]) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j973QtOA001274; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:26:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j973Qpqp001269; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:26:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:26:51 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: George Danchev Message-ID: <20051007032651.GA1219@flame.pc> References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> <200510061121.05894.danchev@spnet.net> <20051006140156.GA82130@flame.pc> <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:28:00 -0000 On 2005-10-06 19:43, George Danchev wrote: >On Thursday 06 October 2005 17:01, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> only stating the fact that these are *YOUR* opinions, which you have >> *every* right to have but it should probably take a lot more than >> >> ``This sucks, fix it'' > > This is not what I said! > >> to get anything done :) Well, it was an over-simplification on my part, but the bulk of your post seemed to be of that tone. Sorry if that wasn'r really your intention... > It has already been said that the important links should stay on the > main page, not forcing people digging hard for stuff. Look at the old > site's left pane for example. These are the bullet lists links for > Platforms, Software, Documentation, Support, Bug Reports, Development > (at least) along with their submenus as links. Just one-click away - > clean, sane and simple. That's more like it! Suggestions for improvement are a nice thing. This is, in fact, how the web site *IS* developed :) Well, a long list of 2-level links may be nice if you are a 'hacker' type, who likes quickly skiiming through lists of links for the right one. It's so... early 90's for the rest of the world though. > Also my personal opinion is that the new site should have been placed > at freebsd.org/new and discussed to death before surprising people > unexpectedly, while the old one mentions about the prospective change > and link to how it would look at "Project News" (old's right pane) not > the other way around like to place the production one at old/ and > fixing new site bugs on the fly. There comes a point at the life of every project where things are no longer done the right way because it *is* the Right Way(TM), but only because ``this is what we have been doing for so long now''. At times like these, more discussion doesn't usually help at all :) Nevertheless, this sort of discussion (about the web site needing a face-lift) has been done again and again, and then again, and again a few months later. The mailing list archives contain a few nice monster-threads about it. Nobody who has been subscribed to freebsd-doc and freebsd-www has been 'surprised unexpectedly'. Moreover, more discussion wasn't going to help much at the point, until someone went away and really *DID* the face lift. And they did... Thankfully they did :) From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 04:39:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C8416A420; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:39:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6FD43D45; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:39:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j974dH1W087718; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:39:17 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j974dGPK087714; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:39:16 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:39:16 GMT From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200510070439.j974dGPK087714@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Vladimir.Chukharev@tut.fi, linimon@FreeBSD.org, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/86971: Re: PR: www/63552: Validation errors due to CAPs in attribute values X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:39:17 -0000 Synopsis: Re: PR: www/63552: Validation errors due to CAPs in attribute values State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: linimon State-Changed-When: Fri Oct 7 04:38:34 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: Misfiled followup to www/63552; content migrated. Responsible-Changed-From-To: gnats-admin->freebsd-www Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Oct 7 04:38:34 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=86971 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 05:31:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FA516A41F; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:31:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (vlsi00.si.noda.tus.ac.jp [133.31.130.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E954043D45; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:31:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p13123-adsau14honb8-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.106.49.123]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j975V3hC059493; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:31:04 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j975UrJr026622; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:30:54 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:30:34 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20051007.143034.128603944.hrs@allbsd.org> To: www@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <200510070516.j975GMpJ056201@www.freebsd.org> References: <200510070516.j975GMpJ056201@www.freebsd.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2.52 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Fri_Oct__7_14_30_34_2005_000)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:31:07 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Oct__7_14_30_34_2005_000)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit World Wide Web Owner wrote in <200510070516.j975GMpJ056201@www.freebsd.org>: ww> ===> ../ja/doc ww> ===> ../ja/doc/articles ww> ===> ../ja/doc/articles/contributing ww> mkdir: /usr/local/www/www.freebsd.org/data/doc/ja_JP.eucJP: Too many levels of symbolic links ww> *** Error code 1 Sorry, should be fixed now. -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Oct__7_14_30_34_2005_000)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDRgf6TyzT2CeTzy0RAkc+AJ0VVUJ7cbHAc7zpZk7aYKOMBxKSwQCfbBA6 /R0wC1zhHOIQUivqKlSjRuA= =ns43 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Fri_Oct__7_14_30_34_2005_000)---- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 05:43:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BCF16A41F; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:43:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem@FreeBSD.org) Received: from relay-er5.mbrd.ru (relay-er5.mbrd.ru [194.117.71.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27EB43D45; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:43:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sem@FreeBSD.org) Received: from msd.mbrd.ru ([172.16.4.9]) by relay-er5.mbrd.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.x) id 1ENl0b-000I63-DL; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:43:05 +0400 Message-ID: <43460AE9.9040109@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:43:05 +0400 From: Sergey Matveychuk User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Simon L. Nielsen" References: <4344BF59.5090003@FreeBSD.org> <20051006175628.GC893@zaphod.nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <20051006175628.GC893@zaphod.nitro.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: redundance in developers link on the new site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:43:15 -0000 Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > If you see the other main pages you get to by clicking the gray menu > bar you will see the same thing. I'm rather sure it's done on > purpose. Well, it was just a quick look. Looks like the redundace link plays a role of a left menu's title. But I have no idea about why it's a link not a plain text. > > Personally I don't really have an opinion for whether it's a good or > bad thing - I can see argments both for not having the "duplicated" > links and for having them. > I'm not sure it's bad too, but it discouraged a little. -- Sem. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 06:38:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA8516A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:38:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stuartb@4gh.net) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F7643D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:38:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stuartb@4gh.net) Received: from 208-59-171-35.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO freeman.4gh.net) ([208.59.171.35]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2005 02:38:17 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,185,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="94712891:sNHT23606254" Received: by freeman.4gh.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0D70155; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeman.4gh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AE032 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Barkley To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> Message-ID: <20051006001726.W25607@freeman.4gh.net> References: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:38:18 -0000 On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 at 17:12 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate and more > aesthetically pleasing. We look forward to improving the site > further over the coming weeks as we work to bring a fresh face to > the FreeBSD web presence. Don't override my font attributes for normal text! "font-size: 69%;" is complete overkill. I have my browser set to display text in the font-size and font-face I want. Displaying characters 2/3rd the size I specified isn't good. Unlike lots of other web sites the new FreeBSD web site does not override my font-face. That is good, I worked hard to get my browser to display characters in readable fonts. If smaller fonts are needed for people with broken or poorly configured browsers make that the css option. As others have noted, some of the fixed pixel size elements interact poorly with the larger fonts. The basic pages still never effectively get larger the 800 pixels wide. Also, there should be a site map. If you know something is there you should be able to find it easily. It took me some doing to find the link to the ports. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 07:00:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1405E16A421 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:00:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nmh@T3X.ORG) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B7043D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:00:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nmh@T3X.ORG) Received: from p54AC2A9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.172.42.155] (helo=T3X.ORG) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1ENmDP0buY-0001d4; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:00:23 +0200 Received: (from nmh@localhost) by T3X.ORG (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j976wZW96683; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:58:35 +0200 (CEST) To: www@freebsd.org From: Nils M Holm Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:55:42 +0200 Message-ID: <2005100706554200-96670@Freedom.T3X.ORG> X-Mailer: NMail X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:5b68ff8df1d89a0a7485e040b6c88401 Cc: Subject: Web site design X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:00:25 -0000 Hi, the new Layout looks nice, but the content starts outside of my browser window (Mozilla 0.8, 770x570 pixels). I will send a PNG on request. Best regards, Nils -- Nils M Holm -- http://www.t3x.org/nmh/ From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 07:03:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF9416A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:03:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from waynec@spinnaker.com) Received: from schooner.spinnaker.com (schooner.spinnaker.com [199.175.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA8643D48 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:03:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from waynec@spinnaker.com) Received: from schooner.spinnaker.com (localhost.spinnaker.com [127.0.0.1]) by schooner.spinnaker.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j9773v8R046122 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:03:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from waynec@schooner.spinnaker.com) Received: (from waynec@localhost) by schooner.spinnaker.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j9773vOx046121 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:03:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from waynec) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:03:57 -0700 From: Wayne Chapeskie To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051007070357.GB43170@spinnaker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://www.spinnaker.com/~waynec/pgp-key.html X-PGP-KeyID: 0xB9D2D272 X-PGP-Fingerprint: CCFE 68D8 0468 A78F BA9D F388 8D14 7A5A B9D2 D272 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: New site - font-size issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:03:58 -0000 The new web site triggered what for me is a pet peeve I have with many web site designers. The style sheet file "http://www.freebsd.org/layout/css/global.css" contains the following lines: body { ... font-size: 69%; ... } What this says to the client's web browser is the following: "Do you know the default font and font size that your owner spent so much time choosing, tailoring it to the size of his monitor, display resolution, font selection peculiarities in his operating environment, and taking account the condition of his eyes, and his own preferences? The size in which he likes to see the bulk of text in his browser windows? Yes that size. Don't use it. Display almost all of the text on this site shrunk by almost 1/3 instead." In response to which I have one question: Why? We can see that the author had an idea that this might not be a good idea, since there is that "Text Size: Normal / Large" selector up in the corner, where "Large" pick up "fixed_large.css" in the style, which has an override: body { font-size: 93%; } Of course, "Normal / Large" is a misnomer; what the page calls "Normal" is actually a shrunken, small size, and "Large" is almost the default size. Look, "default font size" means exactly that. The bulk of the text on a page should be left in that size, because I, as a web site author *cannot* know what each of my readers prefers; there are simply too many variables. It would also be incredibly presumptous of me to presume that I know better than my readers what looks best on their systems, and to their eyes. Browser developers and users go to a lot of trouble figuring out what size works best as a default. Respect their choices. Font size changes from the default are properly used to convey such visual cues as emphasis (headings in a larger size), or "this is less important", through smaller size. This is basic web design, and the fact that a lot of web authors make this mistake doesn't make the practice acceptable, or any less annoying to the reader. At least the style sheet doesn't use absolute font sizes--that would have really annoyed me... -- Wayne Chapeskie GnuPG/PGP KeyID: 0xB9D2D272 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 07:38:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84BD16A41F; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:38:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C5243D53; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:38:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 93F1B11AD1; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:38:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:38:05 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20051007073804.GB890@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> <20051006232835.GK8320@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9zSXsLTf0vkW971A" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051006232835.GK8320@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, Aron Stansvik Subject: Re: I miss my Handbook link! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:38:11 -0000 --9zSXsLTf0vkW971A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.06 16:28:35 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 12:12:43AM +0200, Aron Stansvik wrote: > > Great work on the new website. I just miss the direct link to the > > Handbook that the old design had. Any chance you could put that under > > "SHORTCUTS" in the new design? >=20 > I second this. I think the FreeBSD Handbook and the FreeBSD Ports I agree with the Handbook link, but I think it should replace the FAQ link (ie. we should remove the FAQ link)... in it's current state I don't think the FAQ is that useful compared to the Handbook. > Collection are two huge sells for FreeBSD and both should be added to > the Shortcuts list. I'm not so sure about the ports link. I agree that the Ports Collection is very important for FreeBSD, but frankly IMO our /ports/ pages sucks, as has been discussed at least a few times in the past... --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --9zSXsLTf0vkW971A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRiXch9pcDSc1mlERArPkAJ42OHQVf+/DCNoqeQSjaOFUJamrWwCZAbXe hfEFx+ii+UauS/gPqexR0Eo= =ndN4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9zSXsLTf0vkW971A-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 07:38:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA6F16A41F; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:38:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0546443D48; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:38:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id E44E81CC71; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:38:35 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051007073835.GB30488@freebsdmall.com> References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:38:41 -0000 On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 03:12:04PM +1000, Greg Black wrote: > To list the most critical issues: > > * Many important navigation links (e.g., the Handbook, the > Ports) disappeared from the front page. The Handbook was added back to the front page hours ago in response to earlier posts. If you cared about following such things, paying attention to CVS, or submitting patches you would have noticed. I've also proposed adding the Ports link to the shortcuts bar on the front page. I agree with you here -- those are two very important links. > * The user interface design is dreadful (e.g., fixed sizes for > things that cause all kinds of breakage when windows are > resized or font sizes changed to suit the reader). Most feedback we have received would disagree with that statement. Please provide patches for the CSS if the fixed width stuff bothers you so we can evaluate what you propose as being better. It will be evaluated 100% fairly. Show us your patches or be quiet on this point. > * Really boring junk has replaced real content on the front > page (e.g., lengthy list of new committers under the heading > of "news"). That content was already on the front page of the old site. The content of the news bar has not changed at all. I have complained about the fact that we don't submit enough news stories for 4+ years. I fix it by adding lots of news items whenever I can think of one. Do you submit patches or PRs to submit more interesting news items? If not, why complain when you are part of the problem? > Anyway, rather than protesting that the new thing is wonderful > and continually demanding "constructive" criticism from people > who are offering just that, why not listen to the suggestions > and see how to improve things? Your mail has one constructive comment in it (About ports and handbook links belonging on the front page). Everything else is a vague rant. You vaguely say you don't like the design but don't offer any better alternative. That is not an impressive signal to noise ratio. Provide patches to your CSS / font complaints. > site. The claims that the old site was too hard to use that > have been advanced as the main reason for the update just don't > hold water, as far as I'm concerned. You're welcome to hold that opinion. I don't care to debate you on it. It's just not fair when you act like we are not concerned with valid criticism when it comes our way. Changes to valid points have been made within hours of them first being brought up on the lists. We've made even more changes to the design in response to feedback over the past few months. > Anyway, I see that the people in charge will do whatever they > want and it will be up to the rest of us to make the best of it. The people in charge worked very hard over 6 months to get broad consensus for this change. If you were interested in being a part of this process you should have been subscribed to freebsd-www@, read the front page where we announced a summer of code student was working a redesign, read through the developer status reports, watched the CVS logs, or any of the other many different methods you could have stayed informed about the new design work. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 07:44:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B67816A41F; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:44:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF02643D45; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:44:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 916D51CCA2; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:44:55 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20051007074455.GC30488@freebsdmall.com> References: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> <20051006232835.GK8320@freebsdmall.com> <20051007073804.GB890@zaphod.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051007073804.GB890@zaphod.nitro.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, Aron Stansvik Subject: Re: I miss my Handbook link! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:44:56 -0000 On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 09:38:05AM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > I agree with the Handbook link, but I think it should replace the FAQ > link (ie. we should remove the FAQ link)... in it's current state I > don't think the FAQ is that useful compared to the Handbook. > > > Collection are two huge sells for FreeBSD and both should be added to > > the Shortcuts list. > > I'm not so sure about the ports link. I agree that the Ports > Collection is very important for FreeBSD, but frankly IMO our /ports/ > pages sucks, as has been discussed at least a few times in the past... Yes after reviewing the /ports pages, I agree. For now I just added the Handbook, which clearly belongs, and removed the duplicate platforms link. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 08:02:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB3516A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:02:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sl151@waikato.ac.nz) Received: from newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (newman.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.66.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D7C43D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:02:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sl151@waikato.ac.nz) Received: from ex4.its.waikato.ac.nz (ex4.its.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.70.144]) by newman.its.waikato.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E4B127AFD for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:02:32 +1300 (NZDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:02:32 +1300 Message-ID: <53EF8EA01F1F5241BAB680A851B4F03F1E128C@ex4.its.waikato.ac.nz> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Empty "The FreeBSD Traditional Chinese Documentation Project" Thread-Index: AcXLFXg5J8HOeOgqQ2qcYOtmR8O+3g== From: "Lin, Shih-Min" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Empty "The FreeBSD Traditional Chinese Documentation Project" X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:02:35 -0000 Hi there, I noticed that the documents of "The FreeBSD Traditional Chinese = Documentation Project" seem to be out-dated. The mailing list = subscribing address "majordomo@freebsd.sinica.edu.tw" seems to be = invalid as well. Is the project still proceeding? If possible I would be = happy to give the project a hand (can't do too much at once, though). PS: Is the address "foxfair@freebsd.org" in the page "FreeBSD = Documentation Project: Translations" still valid?? Regards, Sam From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 08:37:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4259716A41F; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:37:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9166C43D48; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:37:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0INZ009L0EN2I4@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de>; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:37:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: from relay.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:37:50 +0200 (MEST) Received: from bigboss.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (bigspace.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.2]) by relay.rwth-aachen.de (8.13.3/8.13.3/1) with ESMTP id j978bnlL005614; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:37:49 +0200 (MEST) Received: from lorien.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de ([137.226.181.92] helo=haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de) by bigboss.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ENnjh-0000Nl-00; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:37:49 +0200 Received: by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8333D2843F; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:37:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:37:19 +0200 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: <20051007074455.GC30488@freebsdmall.com> To: Murray Stokely Message-id: <20051007083719.GB1288@unixpages.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-BETA5 X-PGP-Key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> <20051006232835.GK8320@freebsdmall.com> <20051007073804.GB890@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20051007074455.GC30488@freebsdmall.com> Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, "Simon L. Nielsen" , Aron Stansvik Subject: Re: I miss my Handbook link! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:37:53 -0000 --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 12:44:55AM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 09:38:05AM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > I agree with the Handbook link, but I think it should replace the FAQ > > link (ie. we should remove the FAQ link)... in it's current state I > > don't think the FAQ is that useful compared to the Handbook. > >=20 > > > Collection are two huge sells for FreeBSD and both should be added to > > > the Shortcuts list. > >=20 > > I'm not so sure about the ports link. I agree that the Ports > > Collection is very important for FreeBSD, but frankly IMO our /ports/ > > pages sucks, as has been discussed at least a few times in the past... >=20 > Yes after reviewing the /ports pages, I agree. For now I just added > the Handbook, which clearly belongs, and removed the duplicate > platforms link. >=20 Indeed, /ports sucks. On the other hand freshports.org is _really_ nice. I know we mostly avoid linking to external pages, but I think it would be worth considering it in some cases. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRjO/bHYXjKDtmC0RAiofAKC+K5HL+ERFKgGjqtRMHfJnQrxBigCg32zF s8kBQZxVIL4yLABPFUM4Jww= =1GI1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tjCHc7DPkfUGtrlw-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 08:44:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69E816A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:44:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5246043D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:44:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id C636111AD1; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:44:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:44:28 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Christian Brueffer Message-ID: <20051007084428.GE890@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> <20051006232835.GK8320@freebsdmall.com> <20051007073804.GB890@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20051007074455.GC30488@freebsdmall.com> <20051007083719.GB1288@unixpages.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EgVrEAR5UttbsTXg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051007083719.GB1288@unixpages.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely , Aron Stansvik Subject: Re: I miss my Handbook link! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:44:30 -0000 --EgVrEAR5UttbsTXg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.07 10:37:19 +0200, Christian Brueffer wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 12:44:55AM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 09:38:05AM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > >=20 > > > I'm not so sure about the ports link. I agree that the Ports > > > Collection is very important for FreeBSD, but frankly IMO our /ports/ > > > pages sucks, as has been discussed at least a few times in the past... > >=20 > > Yes after reviewing the /ports pages, I agree. For now I just added > > the Handbook, which clearly belongs, and removed the duplicate > > platforms link. >=20 > Indeed, /ports sucks. On the other hand freshports.org is _really_ nice. > I know we mostly avoid linking to external pages, but I think it would be > worth considering it in some cases. I suggsted this here and on ports@, probably half a year ago (not really sure), but several people really didn't like this. Some because of the potential problem with depending on a non-FreeBSD.org site for all the web based ports information, which I see the potential issue with I just don't consider it a big problem, and some because they simply prefer to simpler layout etc. of /ports/ compared to freshports. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --EgVrEAR5UttbsTXg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRjVsh9pcDSc1mlERAgn6AJ9aXcLr0vHnaPNoIYzsttTRFd3S+QCfXP4B WP/mL+e9rLayeehGQnYttXA= =2vrM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EgVrEAR5UttbsTXg-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 08:53:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F5016A41F; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:53:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E6043D53; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:53:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (gothic.blackend.org [192.168.1.203]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j978rWYE073631; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:53:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j978rWB6000822; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:53:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@gothic.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j978rQGA000821; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:53:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:53:26 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20051007085326.GD595@gothic.blackend.org> References: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> <20051006232835.GK8320@freebsdmall.com> <20051007073804.GB890@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20051007074455.GC30488@freebsdmall.com> <20051007083719.GB1288@unixpages.org> <20051007084428.GE890@zaphod.nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051007084428.GE890@zaphod.nitro.dk> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely , Aron Stansvik Subject: Re: I miss my Handbook link! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:53:37 -0000 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 10:44:28AM +0200, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > >=20 > > Indeed, /ports sucks. On the other hand freshports.org is _really_ nic= e. > > I know we mostly avoid linking to external pages, but I think it would = be > > worth considering it in some cases. >=20 > I suggsted this here and on ports@, probably half a year ago (not > really sure), but several people really didn't like this. >=20 > Some because of the potential problem with depending on a > non-FreeBSD.org site for all the web based ports information, which I > see the potential issue with I just don't consider it a big problem, > and some because they simply prefer to simpler layout etc. of /ports/ > compared to freshports. > Why not add a link to http://www.freshports.org/ in a "good location" on the ports page? This may be a solution that will please everyone. Marc --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRjeFzQ9RwE+OdOgRAue6AJ4mEX4uMcB4FWdLfDXAN/9S2N81qwCfV4Vk ovKBR9tTk4uodW56F12wMMo= =QOHe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 08:58:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D89F16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:58:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A093143D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:58:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 29031 invoked by uid 104); 7 Oct 2005 08:58:07 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL, BAYES_00, URI_REDIRECTOR autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 3.730706 secs); 07 Oct 2005 08:58:07 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL, BAYES_00, URI_REDIRECTOR autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.5 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00,URI_REDIRECTOR autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.29.95) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 08:58:03 -0000 From: George Danchev To: Giorgos Keramidas Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:58:02 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200510060816.j968Gm4f030207@freefall.freebsd.org> <200510061943.13663.danchev@spnet.net> <20051007032651.GA1219@flame.pc> In-Reply-To: <20051007032651.GA1219@flame.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510071158.02793.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/86970: The new web site look and feel is not FreeBSDish as we all know and love X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:58:10 -0000 On Friday 07 October 2005 06:26, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: --cut-- > > It has already been said that the important links should stay on the > > main page, not forcing people digging hard for stuff. Look at the old > > site's left pane for example. These are the bullet lists links for > > Platforms, Software, Documentation, Support, Bug Reports, Development > > (at least) along with their submenus as links. Just one-click away - > > clean, sane and simple. > > That's more like it! Suggestions for improvement are a nice thing. > This is, in fact, how the web site *IS* developed :) This has been said several times by me and other main page links wanters, and the exact links wanted were mentioned. > Well, a long list of 2-level links may be nice if you are a 'hacker' > type, who likes quickly skiiming through lists of links for the right > one. It's so... early 90's for the rest of the world though. Not a valid argument for right and left blank space left unused on the new site, any pointers for that inefficiency ? Instead of brain-storming what link to remove and to fre room to put another one, just rethink of how to put as many of them as possible making use of the free room left. I'm not a webmaster, but I really think that "New to FreeBSD" should look like "Learn More" and moved next to it. Then under SHORTCUTS (do you really need that word there eating space... it is pretty obvious what these are?) you can add "Platforms" and "Ports" (or "Ported Applications") at least. I really tried to be minimalistic. Here are some easy hints for site improvement: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freebsd.org%2Fwhere.html http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freebsd.org%2Fcommunity.html http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freebsd.org%2Fdocs.html http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freebsd.org%2Fdocs%2Fwebresources.html http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freebsd.org%2Fsend-pr.html http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freebsd.org%2Fprojects%2Findex.html I'm sorry to find out that this should be handled on the main page and *on-the-fly*, instead sorted out in previous off-line site discussions/developments. > > Also my personal opinion is that the new site should have been placed > > at freebsd.org/new and discussed to death before surprising people > > unexpectedly, while the old one mentions about the prospective change > > and link to how it would look at "Project News" (old's right pane) not > > the other way around like to place the production one at old/ and > > fixing new site bugs on the fly. > > There comes a point at the life of every project where things are no > longer done the right way because it *is* the Right Way(TM), but only > because ``this is what we have been doing for so long now''. At times > like these, more discussion doesn't usually help at all :) I'm sorry, but there is no excuses for insane and immature site-lifts or any other critical services hazardous treating. I really hope this will never happend again coz it damages people's faith in a severe way ! -- pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 10:20:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB1316A422 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:20:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darrien.l@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89D443D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:20:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darrien.l@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so343875nzk for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:20:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Mymn4xIdNw88ybqpoLr59aMtFNDqzMON+iJAeF37TvOZr33L1iuMh3PTzWEWvFEuAU2nE3rlyuy5MMVC80f0Y9NWCMLedkkc2OxnuAd1fFiCwj9dykUYeFb9yVFQDCmN3IzseEZBT/fnxbAFElNXclzxdpQsLZ0OeoLxbiUFZWw= Received: by 10.36.196.9 with SMTP id t9mr30611nzf; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.252.15 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8fd841240510070320g7f49eda8wcaa3cac03a9490a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:20:26 -0700 From: Darrien To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20051007070357.GB43170@spinnaker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051007070357.GB43170@spinnaker.com> Subject: Re: New site - font-size issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Darrien List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:20:27 -0000 On 10/7/05, Wayne Chapeskie wrote: > The new web site triggered what for me is a pet peeve I > have with many web site designers. The style sheet file > "http://www.freebsd.org/layout/css/global.css" contains the following > lines: > > body { > ... > font-size: 69%; > ... > } > > What this says to the client's web browser is the following: > > "Do you know the default font and font size that your owner spent > so much time choosing, tailoring it to the size of his monitor, > display resolution, font selection peculiarities in his operating > environment, and taking account the condition of his eyes, and his > own preferences? The size in which he likes to see the bulk of text > in his browser windows? Yes that size. Don't use it. Display > almost all of the text on this site shrunk by almost 1/3 instead." > > In response to which I have one question: Why? > > We can see that the author had an idea that this might not be a good idea= , > since there is that "Text Size: Normal / Large" selector up in the > corner, where "Large" pick up "fixed_large.css" in the style, which > has an override: > body { > font-size: 93%; > } > Of course, "Normal / Large" is a misnomer; what the page calls "Normal" > is actually a shrunken, small size, and "Large" is almost the default > size. > > Look, "default font size" means exactly that. The bulk of the text on > a page should be left in that size, because I, as a web site author > *cannot* know what each of my readers prefers; there are simply too > many variables. It would also be incredibly presumptous of me to > presume that I know better than my readers what looks best on their > systems, and to their eyes. Browser developers and users go to a lot of > trouble figuring out what size works best as a default. Respect their > choices. Font size changes from the default are properly used to convey > such visual cues as emphasis (headings in a larger size), or "this is > less important", through smaller size. This is basic web design, and > the fact that a lot of web authors make this mistake doesn't make the > practice acceptable, or any less annoying to the reader. > > At least the style sheet doesn't use absolute font sizes--that would > have really annoyed me... > I hear you. Small, fixed, or other forced font sizes have decimated the internet for me. Not only are they unreadable to me, but they cause distortion and other artifacts such as text running off of a background color, odd line-wrapping and other such things. I've sent emails to various webmasters, but none of them ever bothered to change anything. I sincerely hope that that won't be the case here. My question to developers is this: Is the old website going to be updated and maintained? If so, for how long? If it's not going to be maintained, then I probably won't be using FreeBSD for very much longer. This isn't a hissy fit or an ultimatum, it's reality. If I can't read my OS's documentation without getting eyestrain headaches or jumping through hoops, then my only choices are to clog up mailing lists, forums, IRC channels etc. with stupid questions; or try to guess at how things work with a lot of trial and error. The latter option isn't fair to me and the former option isn't fair to everyone else, so the only real choice is to switch to an OS with documentation I can read. FreeBSD is the best OS I've ever used, and I would hate to have to dump it over something so trivial. Please tell me that poor sighted users aren't going to be discriminated against in this way. Find some way to make the website accessible to all of your users. Keep the old one updated, make a "light" or text-only version of the new one, anything, but please find some way to accommodate all of your users. Who knows, maybe in a few years when your eyes start to lose their 20/20 acuity, you'll thank yourself for making your website accessible now. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 10:25:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A817616A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:25:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ABC43D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:25:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so6771rne for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:25:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Lz6mLslxQpen3Mytmf8FbuhfF2SCAfJmtI+GBpWTCr1lHJclBlCZLWAtiCqHf75zJt1EYfZBueqDId21exif96Rq6OEa1Y/yqR0HKRoE6bmLi42oslYWix1iNmVP4XVspAl8np7bliyncYTTBaFm1RcdOCfEgJM1xefeRnGdDJo= Received: by 10.11.122.68 with SMTP id u68mr39175cwc; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.34 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <751a4f870510070325v50b457d0y@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:25:01 +0200 From: Aron Stansvik To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_2998_6967566.1128680700999" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Do you want my vector daemon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aron Stansvik List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:25:02 -0000 ------=_Part_2998_6967566.1128680700999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline About a year ago I made a vector (SVG) version of the BSD daemon, just to have as a desktop wallpaper. Is this something you would want to use with the new website design? I've attached the image in SVG, PNG and Windows Icon format. For the Windows Icon I deleted the shadow under the daemon and made the SVG square before creating the bitmap. I've also attached a conversation I had with Kirk McKusick to show that he OKed this. The image was created with Inkscape. Please be kind and reply to me and cc the list (or the other way around), since I'm not subscribed. Best regards, Aron Stansvik ------=_Part_2998_6967566.1128680700999 Content-Type: text/plain; name="mcusick_ok.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mcusick_ok.txt" WC1HbWFpbC1SZWNlaXZlZDogZjcyMmEzOTc5MmU2ODYxOTA5NzhmZjkyMGIyZGFkMTE3NWZmMjlm ZQpEZWxpdmVyZWQtVG86IGVsdnN0b25lQGdtYWlsLmNvbQpSZWNlaXZlZDogYnkgMTAuMTEuOTgu MzQgd2l0aCBTTVRQIGlkIHYzNGNzMTUxNTFjd2I7CiAgICAgICAgVGh1LCA2IE9jdCAyMDA1IDIz OjEwOjEwIC0wNzAwIChQRFQpClJlY2VpdmVkOiBieSAxMC42NC4yNDIuMyB3aXRoIFNNVFAgaWQg cDNtcjEzMDI4NzJxYmg7CiAgICAgICAgVGh1LCAwNiBPY3QgMjAwNSAyMzoxMDoxMCAtMDcwMCAo UERUKQpSZXR1cm4tUGF0aDogPG1ja3VzaWNrQG1ja3VzaWNrLmNvbT4KUmVjZWl2ZWQ6IGZyb20g YmVhc3RpZS5tY2t1c2ljay5jb20gKGRzbDA4MS0yNDctMjI3LnNmbzEuZHNsLnNwZWFrZWFzeS5u ZXQgWzY0LjgxLjI0Ny4yMjddKQogICAgICAgIGJ5IG14LmdtYWlsLmNvbSB3aXRoIEVTTVRQIGlk IGQxMnNpMTQyMTg4OXFiYy4yMDA1LjEwLjA2LjIzLjEwLjA5OwogICAgICAgIFRodSwgMDYgT2N0 IDIwMDUgMjM6MTA6MTAgLTA3MDAgKFBEVCkKUmVjZWl2ZWQtU1BGOiBuZXV0cmFsIChnbWFpbC5j b206IDY0LjgxLjI0Ny4yMjcgaXMgbmVpdGhlciBwZXJtaXR0ZWQgbm9yIGRlbmllZCBieSBiZXN0 IGd1ZXNzIHJlY29yZCBmb3IgZG9tYWluIG9mIG1ja3VzaWNrQG1ja3VzaWNrLmNvbSkKUmVjZWl2 ZWQ6IGZyb20gYmVhc3RpZS5tY2t1c2ljay5jb20gKGxvY2FsaG9zdCBbMTI3LjAuMC4xXSkKCWJ5 IGJlYXN0aWUubWNrdXNpY2suY29tICg4LjEyLjgvOC4xMi45KSB3aXRoIEVTTVRQIGlkIGo5NzZB N2FmMDUwMjAyCglmb3IgPGVsdnN0b25lQGdtYWlsLmNvbT47IFRodSwgNiBPY3QgMjAwNSAyMzox MDowOCAtMDcwMCAoUERUKQoJKGVudmVsb3BlLWZyb20gbWNrdXNpY2tAYmVhc3RpZS5tY2t1c2lj ay5jb20pCk1lc3NhZ2UtSWQ6IDwyMDA1MTAwNzA2MTAuajk3NkE3YWYwNTAyMDJAYmVhc3RpZS5t Y2t1c2ljay5jb20+ClRvOiBBcm9uIFN0YW5zdmlrIDxlbHZzdG9uZUBnbWFpbC5jb20+ClN1Ympl Y3Q6IFJlOiBRdWVzdGlvbiBhYm91dCBteSBTVkcgKHZlY3RvcikgQlNEIGRhZW1vbiAKSW4tUmVw bHktVG86IFlvdXIgbWVzc2FnZSBvZiAiVGh1LCAwNiBPY3QgMjAwNSAyMTowNzoyOCArMDIwMC4i CkRhdGU6IFRodSwgMDYgT2N0IDIwMDUgMjM6MTA6MDcgLTA3MDAKRnJvbTogS2lyayBNY0t1c2lj ayA8bWNrdXNpY2tAbWNrdXNpY2suY29tPgoKPiBEYXRlOiBUaHUsIDYgT2N0IDIwMDUgMjE6MDc6 MjggKzAyMDAKPiBGcm9tOiBBcm9uIFN0YW5zdmlrIDxlbHZzdG9uZUBnbWFpbC5jb20+Cj4gUmVw bHktVG86IEFyb24gU3RhbnN2aWsgPGVsdnN0b25lQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KPiBUbzogbWNrdXNpY2tA bWNrdXNpY2suY29tCj4gU3ViamVjdDogUXVlc3Rpb24gYWJvdXQgbXkgU1ZHICh2ZWN0b3IpIEJT RCBkYWVtb24KPiBYLUFTSy1JbmZvOiBNZXNzYWdlIFF1ZXVlZCAoMjAwNS8xMC8wNiAxMjowNzo0 MykKPiBYLUFTSy1JbmZvOiBDb25maXJtZWQgYnkgVXNlciAoMjAwNS8xMC8wNiAxMjo1Njo1NykK PiAKPiBIZWxsbyBNciBNY0t1c2ljay4KPiAKPiBJIGRpZCBhIHZlY3RvciAoU1ZHKSB2ZXJzaW9u IG9mIHRoZSBCU0QgZGFlbW9uIGFib3V0IGEgeWVhciBhZ28sIGp1c3QKPiB0byBoYXZlIHNvbWV0 aGluZyB0byBwdXQgb24gbXkgZGVza3RvcCAoYW5kIHRvIHRyeSBvdXQgYSBmcmVlIHZlY3Rvcgo+ IGlsbHVzdHJhdGlvbiBwcm9ncmFtKS4gTm93IEkgc2VlIHRoYXQgVGhlIEZyZWVCU0QgUHJvamVj dCBoYXZlCj4gcmVkZXNpZ25lZCB0aGVpciB3ZWJzaXRlLCBhbmQgdGhhdCBteSBsaXR0bGUgYmVh c3RpZSAoSU1ITykgd291bGQgZml0Cj4gaXQgbGlrZSBhIGdsb3ZlLgo+IAo+IFNpbmNlIHlvdSBh cmUgdGhlIHRyYWRlbWFyayBob2xkZXIgZm9yIHRoZSBCU0QgZGFlbW9uOyBkbyBJIGhhdmUgeW91 cgo+IGNvbnNlbnQgdG8gc2VuZCB0aGlzIGltYWdlIHRvIFRoZSBGcmVlQlNEIFByb2plY3QgYW5k IGFzayBpZiB0aGV5IHdhbnQKPiB0byB1c2UgaXQgb24gdGhlaXIgd2Vic2l0ZT8gQWxzbywgaWYg SSBoYXZlIHlvdXIgY29uc2VudCwgY2FuIEkgYWxzbwo+IGluY2x1ZGUgdGhpcyBjb252ZXJzYXRp b24gd2hlbiBJIHNlbmQgdGhlIGltYWdlLCB0byBwcm92ZSB0aGF0IEkgaGF2ZQo+IHlvdXIgY29u c2VudD8KPiAKPiBJJ3ZlIGF0dGFjaGVkIGFuIFNWRyBhbmQgYSBQTkcgdmVyc2lvbiBvZiB0aGUg aW1hZ2UgaW4gcXVlc3Rpb24uCj4gCj4gQmVzdCByZWdhcmRzLAo+IEFyb24gU3RhbnN2aWsKCkkg cHJlZmVyIHRoYXQgdGhlIEJTRCBEYWVtb24gYmUgdXNlZCBpbiB0aGUgY29udGV4dCBvZiBCU0Qg c29mdHdhcmUuCkNsZWFybHkgeW91ciB1c2FnZSBxdWFsaWZpZXMuIFlvdSBtYXkgc2VuZCB5b3Vy IGltYWdlIHRvIHRoZSBGcmVlQlNEClByb2plY3QgYWxvbmcgd2l0aCB0aGlzIGVtYWlsLiBUaGV5 IGFyZSB3ZWxsIGF3YXJlIHRoYXQgdGhleSBuZWVkIHRvCmhhdmUgbXkgY29weXJpZ2h0IGluZm9y bWF0aW9uIGF2YWlsYWJsZSAoaW5kZWVkIHRoZXkgZG8gaGF2ZSBpdCBhdmFpbGFibGUpLgpCdXQg Zm9yIHlvdXIgZWRpZmljYXRpb24sIEkgZW5jbG9zZSB0aGF0IGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGJlbG93LgoK PS09LT0tPS09LT0tPS09LT0tPS09LT0tPS09LT0tPS09LT0tPS09LT0tPS09LT0tPS09LT0tPS09 LT0tPS09LT0KClN0YXRlbWVudCBvbiB0aGUgVXNlIG9mIHRoZSBCU0QgRGFlbW9uIEZpZ3VyZToK ClRoZSBCU0QgRGFlbW9uIGlzIHRvIGJlIHVzZWQgaW4gdGhlIGNvbnRleHQgb2YgQlNEIHNvZnR3 YXJlLgpTbywgaWYgeW91IGFyZSB1c2luZyBCU0Qgc29mdHdhcmUgKEZyZWVCU0QsIE5ldEJTRCwg T3BlbkJTRCwKb3IgQlNEIHV0aWxpdGllcykgaW4geW91ciBJbnRyYW5ldCBlbnZpcm9ubWVudCwg dGhlbiB1c2Ugb2YgdGhlCmRhZW1vbiBpcyBhcHByb3ByaWF0ZS4gSWYgeW91IGFyZSBhIE1pY3Jv c29mdCBvciBMaW51eCBzaG9wLCB0aGVuIGl0CmlzIG5vdCBhcHByb3ByaWF0ZS4KCkluZGl2aWR1 YWxzIG1heSB1c2UgdGhlIGRhZW1vbiBmb3IgdGhlaXIgcGVyc29uYWwgdXNlIHdpdGhpbiB0aGUK Ym91bmRzIG9mIGdvb2QgdGFzdGUgKGFuIGV4YW1wbGUgb2YgYmFkIHRhc3RlIHdhcyBhIHBpY3R1 cmUgb2YgdGhlCkJTRCBkYWVtb24gYmxvd3RvcmNoaW5nIGEgU29sYXJpcyBsb2dvKS4gV2hlbiBy ZWFzb25hYmx5IHBvc3NpYmxlLApJIHdvdWxkIGxpa2UgdGhlIHRleHQgYGBCU0QgRGFlbW9uIENv cHlyaWdodCAxOTg4IGJ5IE1hcnNoYWxsIEtpcmsKTWNLdXNpY2suIEFsbCBSaWdodHMgUmVzZXJ2 ZWQuJycgdG8gYmUgaW5jbHVkZWQuICBUaGlzIHRleHQgbmVlZApub3QgYmUgZXRjaGVkIGludG8g dGhlIGZpZ3VyZSBvciBnYXJpc2hseSBkaXNwbGF5ZWQgd2hlbiB1c2luZyB0aGUKZGFlbW9uIGFz IHNheSBhbiBJY29uIGluIGEgV2ViIHdpbmRvdy4gQSBnb29kIGV4YW1wbGUgb2YgaG93CnRvIGhh bmRsZSB0aGUgZHVlIGNyZWRpdCBpbiBhIHdlYiBwYWdlIGlzIHRvIGNyZWF0ZSBhIGxpbmsgZnJv bQp0aGUgZGFlbW9uIHBpY3R1cmUgdG86CgoJaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tY2t1c2ljay5jb20vYmVhc3Rp ZS9tYWlucGFnZS9jb3B5cmlnaHQuaHRtbAoKb3Igc2ltcGx5IGluY2x1ZGUgdGhlIGZvbGxvd2lu ZyB0ZXh0OgoKCUJTRCBEYWVtb24gQ29weXJpZ2h0IDE5ODggYnkgTWFyc2hhbGwgS2lyayBNY0t1 c2ljay4KCUFsbCBSaWdodHMgUmVzZXJ2ZWQuCgoJUGVybWlzc2lvbiB0byB1c2UgdGhlIGRhZW1v biBtYXkgYmUgb2J0YWluZWQgZnJvbToKCQlNYXJzaGFsbCBLaXJrIE1jS3VzaWNrCgkJMTYxNCBP eGZvcmQgU3QKCQlCZXJrZWxleSwgQ0EgOTQ3MDktMTYwOAoJCVVTQQoJb3IgdmlhIGVtYWlsIGF0 IG1ja3VzaWNrQG1ja3VzaWNrLmNvbQoKSWYgeW91IGFyZSBsb29raW5nIGZvciBkYWVtb24gaW1h Z2VzIG9yIGRhZW1vbiBzaGlydHMsIGEgcGljdG9yaWFsCmhpc3Rvcnkgb2YgdGhlIGRhZW1vbiBh bmQgZGFlbW9uIHNoaXJ0cyBhcmUgYXZhaWxhYmxlIGF0IG15IHNpdGUsCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWNr dXNpY2suY29tL2JlYXN0aWUvLiBJZiB5b3UgYXJlIGxvb2tpbmcgZm9yIGRhZW1vbiBiYWRnZXMs CnNlZSB0aGUgc2l0ZSBhdCBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnNjb3Rnb2xkLmNvbS9EYWVtb24uaHRtKS4gRm9y IG90aGVyCnBhcmFwaGFuYWxpYSwgc2VlIHRoZSBzaXRlIGF0IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZnJlZWJzZG1h bGwuY29tL3Byb21vdGlvbmFsLykuCgpJZiB5b3Ugd2FudCB0byBtYXNzIHByb2R1Y2UgdGhlIGRh ZW1vbiBvbiBUc2hpcnRzLCBDRFJPTSdzLCBvciBvdGhlcgpwcm9kdWN0cyB5b3UgbmVlZCB0byBy ZXF1ZXN0IHBlcm1pc3Npb24gaW4gYWR2YW5jZS4gSW4gZ2VuZXJhbCwgSSByZXF1aXJlCnRoYXQg dGhlIGRhZW1vbiBiZSB1c2VkIGluIGFuIGFwcHJvcHJpYXRlIHdheS4gVGhpcyBtZWFucyB0aGF0 IGl0CmhhcyB0byBiZSBzb21ldGhpbmcgcmVsYXRlZCB0byBCU0QgYW5kIG5vdCBleHByb3ByaWF0 ZWQgYXMgYSBjb21wYW55CmxvZ28gKHRob3VnaCBJIGRvIGFsbG93IGNvbXBhbmllcyB3aXRoIEJT RC1iYXNlZCBwcm9kdWN0cyBzdWNoIGFzCkZyZWVCU0QgTWFsbCBvciBEYWVtb24gTmV3cyB0byB1 c2UgaXQpLiAgSSByZWdyZXQgaGF2aW5nIHRvIGJlIHNvCmxlZ2FsaXN0aWMgYWJvdXQgdGhlIGRh ZW1vbiwgYnV0IEkgYWxtb3N0IGxvc3QgdGhlIGRhZW1vbiB0byBhCmNlcnRhaW4gbGFyZ2UgY29t cGFueSBiZWNhdXNlIEkgZmFpbGVkIHRvIHNob3cgZHVlIGRpbGlnZW5jZSBpbgpwcm90ZWN0aW5n IGl0LiBTbywgSSd2ZSB0YWtlbiBkdWUgZGlsaWdlbmNlIHNlcmlvdXNseSBzaW5jZSB0aGVuLgoK CU1hcnNoYWxsIEtpcmsgTWNLdXNpY2sK ------=_Part_2998_6967566.1128680700999-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 10:32:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666C116A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:32:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20BD43D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:32:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (gothic.blackend.org [192.168.1.203]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97AWWhA075220; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:32:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97AWWXc001062; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:32:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@gothic.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j97AWWXX001061; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:32:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:32:32 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Darrien Message-ID: <20051007103232.GF595@gothic.blackend.org> References: <20051007070357.GB43170@spinnaker.com> <8fd841240510070320g7f49eda8wcaa3cac03a9490a3@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8fd841240510070320g7f49eda8wcaa3cac03a9490a3@mail.gmail.com> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New site - font-size issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:32:35 -0000 On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 03:20:26AM -0700, Darrien wrote: > > I hear you. Small, fixed, or other forced font sizes have decimated > the internet for me. Not only are they unreadable to me, but they > cause distortion and other artifacts such as text running off of a > background color, odd line-wrapping and other such things. > > I've sent emails to various webmasters, but none of them ever bothered > to change anything. I sincerely hope that that won't be the case here. > > My question to developers is this: Is the old website going to be > updated and maintained? If so, for how long? If it's not going to be > maintained, then I probably won't be using FreeBSD for very much > longer. This isn't a hissy fit or an ultimatum, it's reality. If I > can't read my OS's documentation without getting eyestrain headaches > or jumping through hoops, then my only choices are to clog up mailing > lists, forums, IRC channels etc. with stupid questions; or try to > guess at how things work with a lot of trial and error. > > The latter option isn't fair to me and the former option isn't fair to > everyone else, so the only real choice is to switch to an OS with > documentation I can read. > [...] The documentation rendering is still the same as before, for example have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ As before, you can CVSup the doc, build it and render it as you wish (HTML, PDF, plain text, etc.). Well, I don't see why you are worried. Marc From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 10:43:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C1C16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:43:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2B643D48 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:43:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so6790rne for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:43:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WRuK8oN66bs3d2KGlRmPd3L001QGWHWRE8P/Hl/gVds2yBdPY6tiLLJm+FDUxbIY1E9zT/SDdyQBXGn7ewZ4fXfNxhmtywZjbgsKCKouRmXsdpmn26pIoIEFltJ3l2BN3xr8SBR75ktMU40vtkyYo2FibWlw6TKKVfvl9yaoIr8= Received: by 10.11.98.76 with SMTP id v76mr38988cwb; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.34 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <751a4f870510070343o3d24a842x@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:43:00 +0200 From: Aron Stansvik To: elvstone@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <751a4f870510070325v50b457d0y@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_3022_20557492.1128681780239" References: <751a4f870510070325v50b457d0y@mail.gmail.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you want my vector daemon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aron Stansvik List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:43:01 -0000 ------=_Part_3022_20557492.1128681780239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline 2005/10/7, Aron Stansvik : > ... > I've attached the image in SVG, PNG and Windows Icon format. > ... Hum. For some reason the images were not attached probably. Not sure if Gmail or freebsd-www@ filtered them away. I'm trying here to attach them as a gzipped tarball instead. Aron ------=_Part_3022_20557492.1128681780239-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 10:52:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268CE16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:52:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tfischer@gmail.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF3543D58 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:52:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tfischer@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so111009nfe for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:52:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=a5Ei5pZMN6loQlVoniTHbY466qTBTU9ZAjdw2hyPHRnksYLi1uFs/APkxxiPJtTh0erjtQCywQsLVXz1BDICqx/pj88FzNNuJUQt+hg/S+tUQxprsXtySkI/p2gYD6H/55y3GOmNR5DPyuxoVKthxiKwiE41h5YuseMzr8JglZw= Received: by 10.48.233.1 with SMTP id f1mr71458nfh; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.250.5 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6651c95f0510070352n454d1dddh7a933395d9031117@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:52:29 +0200 From: tom fischer To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: comments on new website: ports page, visited links X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom fischer List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:52:31 -0000 Hello, Congrats on the new website look and feel - I like it! I do have two minor nits about the new layout - 1) On the old site, I liked the convenience of accessing the main ports page (http://www.freebsd.org/ports/) directly from the FreeBSD home page. On the new site, to get to this page, I need to click through one extra page. Is there any way that we could put a direct link to the ports page back onto the home page? 2) Visited links are no longer discernable from unvisited links.=20 Being able to see which links were visited is pretty useful to me while browsing through the ports collection. While I know that I can configure my browser to use some locally-defined colors for visited/unvisited links, this destroys the nice color setup you have on the new website. Would it be possible to change the stylesheet so that visited links are a slightly different shade of red/orange than unvisited links? I'm not subscribed to the www mailing list, so please cc: me directly to any responses you may have to my comments/requests... best regards, tom From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 11:16:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABAA16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:16:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3535243D49 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:16:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so6837rne for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:16:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SvVKBvSXfZ+FNgKswyYP/cDkbR5bt9u4oBYed1QWRr70paTbTGKaTO7IYmvJOk34sx10b4vCCpD9F6VkjPccoCEMkx/M3gMeY0BFfQiPYmEtZldMllt2BhcNBOfN7/GHePBlL7+nVQvjcj+Jmc6898YsNpHT1xrE/xw5vE83BRw= Received: by 10.11.122.59 with SMTP id u59mr39031cwc; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.34 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <751a4f870510070416l3fe1d648x@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:16:10 +0200 From: Aron Stansvik To: elvstone@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <751a4f870510070343o3d24a842x@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <751a4f870510070325v50b457d0y@mail.gmail.com> <751a4f870510070343o3d24a842x@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you want my vector daemon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aron Stansvik List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:16:11 -0000 2005/10/7, Aron Stansvik : > 2005/10/7, Aron Stansvik : > > ... > > I've attached the image in SVG, PNG and Windows Icon format. > > ... > > Hum. For some reason the images were not attached probably. Not sure > if Gmail or freebsd-www@ filtered them away. I'm trying here to attach > them as a gzipped tarball instead. Okay. For some reason that wouldn't work either, eventhough on my side it looks as if the attachments were sent OK. The images can be seen at http://dose.se/~elvis/svg_daemon/ and I also put up a gzipped tarball at http://dose.se/~elvis/svg_daemon.tar.gz. Aron From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 11:26:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D29516A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:26:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@mail.gbch.net) Received: from gw.gbch.net (gw.gbch.net [203.143.238.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7371F43D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:26:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@mail.gbch.net) Received: (qmail 7775 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 21:26:07 +1000 Received: from iliad.gbch.net (172.16.1.9) by gw.gbch.net with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 21:26:07 +1000 Received: (qmail 52959 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Oct 2005 21:26:05 +1000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:26:04 +1000 From: Greg Black To: Murray Stokely References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051007073835.GB30488@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051007073835.GB30488@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i; gjb-muttsend.sh 1.7 2004-10-05 X-Uptime: 113 days X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE i386 X-Location: Brisbane, Australia; 27.49841S 152.98439E X-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb.html X-Blog: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/blog/ X-Image-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/gjb-auug048.gif X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: EBB2 2A92 A79D 1533 AC00 3C46 5D83 B6FB 4B04 B7D6 X-Request-PGP: http://www.gbch.net/keys/4B04B7D6.asc Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:26:11 -0000 On 2005-10-07, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 03:12:04PM +1000, Greg Black wrote: >> To list the most critical issues: >> >> * Many important navigation links (e.g., the Handbook, the >> Ports) disappeared from the front page. > > The Handbook was added back to the front page hours ago in response to > earlier posts. If you cared about following such things, paying > attention to CVS, or submitting patches you would have noticed. It's there now. It was not there when I wrote that -- I took the time to check before I sent my message. If you cared about paying attention to things, you would have noticed. > I've > also proposed adding the Ports link to the shortcuts bar on the front > page. I agree with you here -- those are two very important links. Splendid. >> * The user interface design is dreadful (e.g., fixed sizes for >> things that cause all kinds of breakage when windows are >> resized or font sizes changed to suit the reader). > > Most feedback we have received would disagree with that statement. Being part of the inner mafia, you may have access to more information than I have. But I've been reading several lists and also participating in discussions in places you have no access to and I can tell you that, although there are plenty of people who like the new site, there are many who don't. So I'm going to go out on a limb and say you pulled that "most" out of your arse. And the ones who like it tend to be people who happen to have default browser and window settings that happen to match whatever the designers used. Making a website -- especially a technical site where information is much more important than glitz -- dependent on specific sizes of elements is plain bad design. > Please provide patches for the CSS if the fixed width stuff bothers > you so we can evaluate what you propose as being better. It will be > evaluated 100% fairly. Show us your patches or be quiet on this > point. Ah, I see you're wearing your FreeBSD Advocacy hat. No doubt you think that a charming invitation like that will have the audience jumping out of their skins to become a part of the project so they too can be made to feel good by the friendly team leaders. If your designer can't fix the size stuff in 5 minutes without patches from me, then you need a new designer. Let me put it in words of one syllable for you: don't try to control font sizes (or styles); don't use fixed sizes for any elements at all; relative sizes and percentages are all that is needed. >> * Really boring junk has replaced real content on the front >> page (e.g., lengthy list of new committers under the heading >> of "news"). > > That content was already on the front page of the old site. If what I said was really too hard to understand, try it this way. The old site had a lot of information that was really useful visible or directly linked on the front page (and in the first screenful as well). The new site seems to treat lists of new committers as something that deserves prominence on the front page -- but the only people who care about that are the new committers' mothers. > The > content of the news bar has not changed at all. I have complained > about the fact that we don't submit enough news stories for 4+ years. > I fix it by adding lots of news items whenever I can think of > one. Good on you. > Do > you submit patches or PRs to submit more interesting news items? Er, I wasn't complaining about lack of news items. I was quite specific: I wanted to see the ports and the handbook back on the front. > If > not, why complain when you are part of the problem? I am part of the problem? Get a grip. You are a representative of the project and you seem to think that gives you the right to be insulting to people who have been FreeBSD advocates for many years. I have news for you: you have no such right. >> Anyway, rather than protesting that the new thing is wonderful >> and continually demanding "constructive" criticism from people >> who are offering just that, why not listen to the suggestions >> and see how to improve things? > > Your mail has one constructive comment in it (About ports and handbook > links belonging on the front page). Everything else is a vague rant. No, I had plenty of specific content. You have an opinion that differs from mine, so you call your opinion a fact. But the truth is just that we have different opinions. You're entitled to yours. I'm entitled to mine. But I made explicit points, not just a vague rant. > You vaguely say you don't like the design but don't offer any better > alternative. I said the fixed sizes and font control was a mistake. How hard is that for you to understand? > That is not an impressive signal to noise ratio. > Provide patches to your CSS / font complaints. I covered this above. >> site. The claims that the old site was too hard to use that >> have been advanced as the main reason for the update just don't >> hold water, as far as I'm concerned. > > You're welcome to hold that opinion. I don't care to debate you on > it. So what was all this? But if you want to take your bat and ball and go home to sulk, that's your affair. I'm feeling pretty much like I'm wasting my time here anyway, so I probably won't bother to followup this thread again. > It's just not fair when you act like we are not concerned with > valid criticism when it comes our way. Changes to valid points have > been made within hours of them first being brought up on the lists. Some things have changed quite fast, and that's good to see. It's a shame that you had to make this the main front page before getting wider feedback, however. And there is a dogged refusal to take notice of several other issues, including the stuff I have raised -- and that same stuff has been raised by others too; it's not just me. > We've made even more changes to the design in response to feedback > over the past few months. That process was not apparent to me. And it was not well publicised. >> Anyway, I see that the people in charge will do whatever they >> want and it will be up to the rest of us to make the best of it. > > The people in charge worked very hard over 6 months to get broad > consensus for this change. Good to hear. Pity more people didn't know about it, as we can see from the current fracas. > If you were interested in being a part of > this process you should have been subscribed to freebsd-www@, read the > front page where we announced a summer of code student was working a > redesign, read through the developer status reports, watched the CVS > logs, or any of the other many different methods you could have stayed > informed about the new design work. And here we go again -- somehow it's /my/ fault that you got this happening without my being aware of it. There was no reason at all to be subscribed to the www list, since I had no idea that it existed or was discussing this. (In fact I did subscribe when it was pointed out to me after I made my initial response to the new site. I have since unsubscribed, as I have no time to read all the noise there.) I saw the SoC announcements, but expected that most of them would lead to very little and that, if something like a complete redesign of the website was envisaged, it would get announced as something for people to test before going live. Had it happened that way, I'm sure that I and others would have been more ready to pitch in and help improve it in time for its launch. Instead of that, it was launched, then announced; and now we see all these defensive responses to feedback. I don't watch CVS logs. Why would I? I use Releases for real work. I have considered taking on some development work from time to time, but then I see nonsense like this and think that I'd rather be working somewhere else. So, without expecting you to take much notice, I'll just repeat that it's not my fault that I didn't know there was something to look at -- it's the Project's fault for not putting up the new site at a temporary location so that the wider community could discuss it calmly rather than having this thing thrust down our throats as a finished work. I hope that the people with time and energy and a few clues about web design will manage to push through the most needed changes and that FreeBSD will once again have a website that I can comfortably send people to for technical information. I've done all I can this time around. Greg From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 11:45:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063C416A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:45:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238E443D62 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:44:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so6901rne for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:44:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HIrtD6tLBaMy/cQfUdDF/h0gn0pry9QjyBI1UNnMEFom/NRnCKDWcK6fZ6+EZFt66CBrrZRjIq/2j/8sminz+xv4fIp3GmIG512gkkmToOELdHW3M2RmJFabXYU8CrmsKpLRXbZwmEJGsd9xYIzmQQ5/gSfbeWzu94Jms/8ZlOg= Received: by 10.11.98.9 with SMTP id v9mr39523cwb; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.34 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <751a4f870510070444h2e7f808cq@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:44:56 +0200 From: Aron Stansvik To: elvstone@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <751a4f870510070416l3fe1d648x@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <751a4f870510070325v50b457d0y@mail.gmail.com> <751a4f870510070343o3d24a842x@mail.gmail.com> <751a4f870510070416l3fe1d648x@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Do you want my vector daemon? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Aron Stansvik List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:45:05 -0000 I also put up a version with maybe a bit more charismatic beastie at http://dose.se/~elvis/svg_daemon2. The changes are just an added gradient for the eye balls and a change in intensity for the red gradient, and end markers for the mouth stroke. Aron 2005/10/7, Aron Stansvik : > 2005/10/7, Aron Stansvik : > > 2005/10/7, Aron Stansvik : > > > ... > > > I've attached the image in SVG, PNG and Windows Icon format. > > > ... > > > > Hum. For some reason the images were not attached probably. Not sure > > if Gmail or freebsd-www@ filtered them away. I'm trying here to attach > > them as a gzipped tarball instead. > > Okay. For some reason that wouldn't work either, eventhough on my side > it looks as if the attachments were sent OK. > > The images can be seen at http://dose.se/~elvis/svg_daemon/ and I also > put up a gzipped tarball at http://dose.se/~elvis/svg_daemon.tar.gz. > > Aron > From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 11:51:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847E216A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:51:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darrien.l@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC8143D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:51:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darrien.l@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so351389nzk for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:51:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ystg+O5dz8n7hnsX5isZJ6cjeRUazpBGFGu0obhNpzSM3IrjuqGg2z595fAsWcxRc4f+0VuJ24XWI6FIagkNjNoUu28pNmNoFHi8hWXu1yo/5ayGk7yMcM5ui1GrYzxq/MHXCcUYjoTtI4Q1dTYiypU+jxvOnxnui83sXbic3/c= Received: by 10.36.115.10 with SMTP id n10mr36899nzc; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.252.15 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8fd841240510070451v747b3599o756c8484865d84b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:51:34 -0700 From: Darrien To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20051007103232.GF595@gothic.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051007070357.GB43170@spinnaker.com> <8fd841240510070320g7f49eda8wcaa3cac03a9490a3@mail.gmail.com> <20051007103232.GF595@gothic.blackend.org> Subject: Re: New site - font-size issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Darrien List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:51:37 -0000 On 10/7/05, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 03:20:26AM -0700, Darrien wrote: > > > > I hear you. Small, fixed, or other forced font sizes have decimated > > the internet for me. Not only are they unreadable to me, but they > > cause distortion and other artifacts such as text running off of a > > background color, odd line-wrapping and other such things. > > > > I've sent emails to various webmasters, but none of them ever bothered > > to change anything. I sincerely hope that that won't be the case here. > > > > My question to developers is this: Is the old website going to be > > updated and maintained? If so, for how long? If it's not going to be > > maintained, then I probably won't be using FreeBSD for very much > > longer. This isn't a hissy fit or an ultimatum, it's reality. If I > > can't read my OS's documentation without getting eyestrain headaches > > or jumping through hoops, then my only choices are to clog up mailing > > lists, forums, IRC channels etc. with stupid questions; or try to > > guess at how things work with a lot of trial and error. > > > > The latter option isn't fair to me and the former option isn't fair to > > everyone else, so the only real choice is to switch to an OS with > > documentation I can read. > > > [...] > > The documentation rendering is still the same as before, for example > have a look at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ > How long is it going to stay that way? What if I want to view the release engineering page which isn't? > As before, you can CVSup the doc, build it and render it as you wish > (HTML, PDF, plain text, etc.). Well, I don't see why you are worried. > Ignoring for the moment that doing so would entail a large amount of work on my part relative to what I used to do, how would I go about building a local copy of the new content under the old layout? Do I just have to check out the tree, rollback and delete a few CSS files, and type "make"; or will I have to edit every single file, adding, changing and removing lines as necessary? From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 12:22:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E1316A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:22:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (raven.ravenbrook.com [193.82.131.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C9843D55 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:22:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (thrush.ravenbrook.com [193.112.141.145]) by raven.ravenbrook.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j97CMYVj051323; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:22:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thrush.ravenbrook.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j97CMXhi061727; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:22:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nb@thrush.ravenbrook.com) From: Nick Barnes To: Greg Black In-Reply-To: from Greg Black of "Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:26:04 +1000" Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:22:33 +0100 Message-ID: <61726.1128687753@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Sender: nb@ravenbrook.com Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:22:42 -0000 *Please* take this off -stable. It's way off-topic. Nick B From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 12:26:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED7116A427 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:26:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@mail.gbch.net) Received: from gw.gbch.net (gw.gbch.net [203.143.238.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7874D43D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:26:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@mail.gbch.net) Received: (qmail 8096 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2005 22:26:26 +1000 Received: from iliad.gbch.net (172.16.1.9) by gw.gbch.net with SMTP; 7 Oct 2005 22:26:26 +1000 Received: (qmail 53572 invoked by uid 1001); 7 Oct 2005 22:26:24 +1000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:26:23 +1000 From: Greg Black To: Nick Barnes References: <61726.1128687753@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <61726.1128687753@thrush.ravenbrook.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i; gjb-muttsend.sh 1.7 2004-10-05 X-Uptime: 113 days X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE i386 X-Location: Brisbane, Australia; 27.49841S 152.98439E X-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb.html X-Blog: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/blog/ X-Image-URL: http://www.gbch.net/gjb/gjb-auug048.gif X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: EBB2 2A92 A79D 1533 AC00 3C46 5D83 B6FB 4B04 B7D6 X-Request-PGP: http://www.gbch.net/keys/4B04B7D6.asc Cc: Greg Black , freebsd-www@freebsd.org, Murray Stokely , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:26:33 -0000 On 2005-10-07, Nick Barnes wrote: > *Please* take this off -stable. It's way off-topic. I tried. I said it belonged on -www. I set the reply-to to -www. But the answers overrode that and sent it back to -stable. Don't whine to me. Greg From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 09:08:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F01716A459 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:08:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from durakovic@hispeed.ch) Received: from smtp.hispeed.ch (mxout.hispeed.ch [62.2.95.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F6F43D64 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:08:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from durakovic@hispeed.ch) Received: from Bolnet (84-72-59-120.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.72.59.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.hispeed.ch (8.12.6/8.12.6/tornado-1.0) with ESMTP id j9798V3C007485 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:08:32 +0200 Message-ID: <002c01c5cb1e$ae1694a0$0a00a8c0@Bolnet> From: "DURAKOVIC Ahmedin" To: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:08:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp-07.tornado.cablecom.ch X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-spamcheck-01.tornado.cablecom.ch-Metrics: smtp-07.tornado.cablecom.ch 32700; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:33:23 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: New Web Site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: DURAKOVIC Ahmedin List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:08:35 -0000 I'm using FreeBSD since 4.1.1 release=20 I think that new web site is great, more "fashion" and had really preaty = look=20 Best Regards From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 13:17:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4715016A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:17:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: from pastinakel.tue.nl (pastinakel.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8D743D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:17:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stijn@pcwin002.win.tue.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pastinakel.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C04C14BCB6; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:17:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pastinakel.tue.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pastinakel.tue.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56857-08; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:16:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from umta.win.tue.nl (umta.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.100]) by pastinakel.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9E414BB05; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:16:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002 [131.155.71.72]) by umta.win.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0ED31401C; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:16:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BBFE340E5; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:16:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:16:49 +0200 From: Stijn Hoop To: Tuomo Latto Message-ID: <20051007131649.GT86136@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <43459BEB.2090503@scls.lib.wi.us> <20051006221820.GB38659@neptune.atopia.net> <4345AFAD.9090004@scls.lib.wi.us> <43466C60.3090103@mbnet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="F8dlzb82+Fcn6AgP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43466C60.3090103@mbnet.fi> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tue.nl Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage [PATCH] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:17:05 -0000 --F8dlzb82+Fcn6AgP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="GZVR6ND4mMseVXL/" Content-Disposition: inline --GZVR6ND4mMseVXL/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [please move to -www] On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 03:38:56PM +0300, Tuomo Latto wrote: > I see now that the powers that be have already decided that this > is the way of the future (good grief). I see it in the comments > to peoples' reactions and in the way the whole thing was planned > in relative secrecy and then just dropped on the rest of us. > I suppose I should at least try to minimize the damage on my behalf. I don't get this attitude. People, it's an open source project, if they want to do things "their way" it's their bloody right. It is of course your right to scream murder about it, but _changing_ things needs doing on your part! > So, here's a specific and constructive suggestion: Great! > Add on a clearly visible place on the front page a link pointing > to the old site and keep the old site updated as well. > How about "Not new to FreeBSD?" under the "New to FreeBSD?"? Wait, that's not really constructive (although specific). > Here's another: Make all headings links. > If I want to see all security advisories, I don't want to have to search > for that little "More". Instead, I'd prefer to click on the heading and > get the security advisory page. Ah, but this one is. I second this. > But where are the advisories on that page? Oh, *now* I have to scroll.. > That table of contents is squeezed between the introduction and > the rest of the content. It is customary to have table of contents first > so people can actually umm.. you know.. find it. So actually this boils down to making changes to /security/index.sgml: split it up in the 'generic text' part and the list of advisories, and link the front page advisories to that last one. Please try the attached patch then (to be applied in www/en). --Stijn --=20 This sentence contradicts itself -- no actually it doesn't. -- Hofstadter --GZVR6ND4mMseVXL/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=patch-www Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: index.xsl =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /net/freebsd/cvsroot/www/en/index.xsl,v retrieving revision 1.129 diff -u -r1.129 index.xsl --- index.xsl 5 Oct 2005 21:46:34 -0000 1.129 +++ index.xsl 7 Oct 2005 12:53:29 -0000 @@ -253,7 +253,7 @@
    =20 -

    SECURITY ADVISORIES

    +

    SECURITY ADVISORIES

    =20 Index: security/Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /net/freebsd/cvsroot/www/en/security/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.14 diff -u -r1.14 Makefile --- security/Makefile 18 Sep 2005 04:33:46 -0000 1.14 +++ security/Makefile 7 Oct 2005 13:10:03 -0000 @@ -9,10 +9,12 @@ =20 DOCS=3D charter.sgml DOCS+=3D security.sgml +DOCS+=3D advisories.sgml =20 INDEXLINK=3D security.html =20 security.html: advisories.html.inc advisories.rdf +advisories.html: advisories.html.inc =20 DEPENDSET.DEFAULT=3D advisories XML.DEFAULT=3D ${XML_ADVISORIES} Index: security/security.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /net/freebsd/cvsroot/www/en/security/security.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.178 diff -u -r1.178 security.sgml --- security/security.sgml 4 Oct 2005 16:14:41 -0000 1.178 +++ security/security.sgml 7 Oct 2005 13:02:14 -0000 @@ -304,12 +304,10 @@ PGP key and are archived, along with their associated patches, at our FTP CERT -repository. At the time of this writing, the following advisories are -currently available (note that this list may be a few days out of date - +repository. At the time of this writing, = the following advisories are +currently available (note that this list may be a few days out of date= - for the very latest advisories please check the -FTP site):

    - -&advisories.html.inc; +    FTP site)

    =20 &footer; Index: security/advisories.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D diff -u /dev/null security.sgml --- /dev/null Fri Oct 7 15:12:14 2005 +++ advisories.sgml Fri Oct 7 14:55:38 2005 @@ -0,0 +1,25 @@ + + + + %navincludes; + %includes; + +]> + + + + &header; + +

    Security Advisories

    + +

    At the time of this writing, the following advisories are +currently available (note that this list may be a few days out of date - +for the very latest advisories please check the +FTP site):

    + +&advisories.html.inc; + + &footer; + + --GZVR6ND4mMseVXL/-- --F8dlzb82+Fcn6AgP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDRnVBY3r/tLQmfWcRAt1kAJ9ORaNvvO0+OcMhwyymqEV+XtHI1wCfRZwe y/jUBF2M7PZBTZLpz4Kg1xg= =SJGi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --F8dlzb82+Fcn6AgP-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 14:23:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F61016A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:23:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shuddering@yofiproductions.com) Received: from dky118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (dky118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.24.28.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EE3E43D5C for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:23:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shuddering@yofiproductions.com) Received: from unknown (HELO Michelson) (192.168.62.157) by dky118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl with SMTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:42:07 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <37264119659.795979857@dky118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org From: Lily Freeman Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:23:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Every man must have a sex! MUST!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:23:32 -0000 Find cheap prescriptions on the internet pharmacy! http://heqht.8zdswueawndg8q81dqq1vq88.spinousdl.com/?tnvp If you have knowledge, let others light their candles at it. The society of women is the element of good manners. In our family we don't divorce our men - we bury them. One should count each day a separate life. That's the secret to life... replace one worry with another.... ADORE, v.t. To venerate expectantly. I never know how much of what I say is true. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 15:09:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A92C16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:09:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from mail.scls.lib.wi.us (mail.scls.lib.wi.us [198.150.40.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD7443D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:09:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from [172.26.2.238] ([172.26.2.238]) by mail.scls.lib.wi.us (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j97F9XG1087574; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:09:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Message-ID: <43468FAD.5070008@scls.lib.wi.us> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:09:33 -0500 From: Greg Barniskis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tuomo Latto References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <43459BEB.2090503@scls.lib.wi.us> <20051006221820.GB38659@neptune.atopia.net> <4345AFAD.9090004@scls.lib.wi.us> <43466C60.3090103@mbnet.fi> In-Reply-To: <43466C60.3090103@mbnet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:09:40 -0000 [redirected to -www from -stable as requested and appropriate, though note I'm not on -www and not really interested in discussing this to death... thanks again, Contributors, keep going and the flames should wither and die sooner or later.] Tuomo Latto wrote: > Greg Barniskis wrote: >>well, usability is not an entirely objective measure, but there are >>objective aspects to it. Like, not having to scroll to find crucial >>navigation links and the Search box, or to see what the latest > > > You forget the number 1 rule: > Thou shalt not add to the number of clicks required. In my book that would be a good guideline but not a rule, and it wouldn't be number 1. This is something to be evaluated in context of the volume and complexity of an actual data set (the content). ($deep <> $bad) && ($BSD >= $complex) && ($linkcount > $many) > Scrolling is always preferable to clicking since it requires less > effort and has a better response time. Personal preference. I despise scrolling due to mouse wheel ergonomics and the much mileage already on my wrist tendons, but have no trouble clicking things right under my nose. More empirically, studies suggest key links not being visible without scrolling leads to measurable reduction of comprehension/use. It seems to me a lot of bellyaching is not about whether the new layout is appropriate, but "boo hoo, you moved my cheese". Analyzed logically, it was clear that some of the cheese was not optimally placed (some folks seem to be measuring "optimal" based on knowing where it was before, but that's not the way to measure it). Cheese was moved. You'll probably live, if not get over it. >> Like, reducing 20-30 headings in big "stacks" >>to clearly bounded clusters of "7 +/- 2", fostering rapid >>understanding. I think usability is measurably up. > > Reducing headings in clearly defined sections to less clearly > defined links improves usability? Wasn't commenting on the quality of actual labels in use. Reducing a large number of visually "like" objects into smaller distinct clusters helps enormously with speed and accuracy of comprehension. If it takes all your fingers to count members of a set, breaking up the set should always be considered. Everybody, sing! "One of these things is not like the others, some of these things are kind of the same...". > I see now that the powers that be have already decided that this > is the way of the future (good grief). I see it in the comments > to peoples' reactions and in the way the whole thing was planned > in relative secrecy and then just dropped on the rest of us. > I suppose I should at least try to minimize the damage on my behalf. Humbug. I'm not on -www but the activity on this was apparently no secret. There is no cabal of sinister masterminds. Or... is there? [muhahahaha!] All such tripe >> /dev/null. =) -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) , (608) 266-6348 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 16:57:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B22516A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:57:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D3943D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:57:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 66D5F1CCEB; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: murray@freebsdmall.com Delivered-To: murray@freebsdmall.com Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [216.136.204.119]) by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C181CC5C for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA9C57466 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:53:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-announce@freebsd.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) id DB5F116A420; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:53:52 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: murray@freebsd.org Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E3E16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:53:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-announce@freebsd.org) From: owner-freebsd-announce@freebsd.org To: murray@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:53:49 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: freebsd-announce@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-announce@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-announce@freebsd.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on mall.freebsdmall.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.1 Resent-From: murray@freebsdmall.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:57:42 -0700 Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Message-Id: <20051007165742.66D5F1CCEB@mail.freebsdmall.com> Cc: Subject: Forward of moderated message X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:57:43 -0000 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-announce@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-announce@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12B416A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:05:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from avatar4d@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F7743D46 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:05:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from avatar4d@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t5so344521wxc for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:05:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MC0yHpRjyNhfmTrmxgyw7eHJ4DJcjMP4VHZZ/cokhw6CfOCyBTjwyBI1kYD13x8vIR/RORhLWTSc1uCFaH8L66G1oMEN382XS8RsjMEeqsJpVTzEoNUe6bGnUDIsue2ifIU7tooMboPrfp+RxhmrwC+a6a46lPokL7usk1EYsmg= Received: by 10.70.96.8 with SMTP id t8mr1708554wxb; Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.65.20 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <17489c7a0510061505x1c79b972s533517989c4be889@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 18:05:32 -0400 From: Chad Gross Reply-To: Chad Gross To: freebsd-announce@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-announce Digest, Vol 114, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20051006120039.78B2316A421@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051006120039.78B2316A421@hub.freebsd.org> I think the new website looks pretty sexy. Big improvement aesthetically. Haven't had a chance to really navigate the site yet, but in terms of design it gets two thumbs up. Chad On 10/6/05, freebsd-announce-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Send freebsd-announce mailing list submissions to > freebsd-announce@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-announce > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-announce-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-announce-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-announce digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website (Murray Stokely) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:12:14 -0700 > From: Murray Stokely > Subject: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website > To: announce@FreeBSD.org > Message-ID: <20051006001214.GU63073@freebsdmall.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii > > The FreeBSD Project is pleased to announce the launch of a new website > today. Please visit http://www.FreeBSD.org and let us know what you > think. The new design was created by Emily Boyd, a student at Smith > College that we had the pleasure of working with through Google's > Summer of Code program. > > We hope you find the new website both easier to navigate and more > aesthetically pleasing. We look forward to improving the site further > over the coming weeks as we work to bring a fresh face to the FreeBSD > web presence. > > To learn more about the other great Summer of Code projects that > students completed this summer, please visit: > http://wikitest.freebsd.org/moin.cgi/SummerOfCode2005 > > You may also still see the old design for our website archived at: > http://www.FreeBSD.org/old > > Thanks again to Emily for helping us get the word out about FreeBSD! > Enjoy, > > - FreeBSD WWW Team > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-announce@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-announce > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-announce-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > > End of freebsd-announce Digest, Vol 114, Issue 1 > ************************************************ > From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 18:48:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D296D16A420; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:48:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9215543D5C; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:48:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (garys@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97Imq24006184; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:48:52 GMT (envelope-from garys@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from garys@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j97Imq9c006180; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:48:52 GMT (envelope-from garys) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:48:52 GMT From: "Gary W. Swearingen" Message-Id: <200510071848.j97Imq9c006180@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@attbi.com, garys@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, garys@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/44181: www "Release Information" organization X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:48:52 -0000 Synopsis: www "Release Information" organization State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: garys State-Changed-When: Fri Oct 7 18:46:32 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: I'll try to fix the problems. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->garys Responsible-Changed-By: garys Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Oct 7 18:46:32 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take it. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=44181 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 20:43:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B89E16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:43:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0311543D48 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:43:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j97Kh3Fg009761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:43:04 +1000 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j97Kh3SR092885; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:43:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j97Kh3a8092884; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:43:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:43:03 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Aron Stansvik Message-ID: <20051007204303.GV72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I miss my Handbook link! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:43:06 -0000 On Fri, 2005-Oct-07 00:12:43 +0200, Aron Stansvik wrote: >BTW, I have a vector (SVG) version of the BSD daemon I made a year >ago, just to have something on my desktop. I'd say that the major problem with this is that few browsers support SVG yet. It looks like recent versions of Mozilla support it (but I don't think it did when I checked around the beginning of the year). Firefox and IE don't appear to. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 20:50:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E7916A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:50:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D6043D4C for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:50:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97KoD61021992 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:50:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j97KoDk1021986; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:50:13 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:50:13 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200510072050.j97KoDk1021986@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Ilya Sher Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C71516A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:47:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE1443D55 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:47:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j97KlXlC074148 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:47:33 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j97KlXY9074147; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:47:33 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200510072047.j97KlXY9074147@www.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:47:33 GMT From: Ilya Sher To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Cc: Subject: www/87093: reporting bugs - filter some by adding link to search and faq X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:50:26 -0000 >Number: 87093 >Category: www >Synopsis: reporting bugs - filter some by adding link to search and faq >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Oct 07 20:50:12 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ilya Sher >Release: >Organization: >Environment: >Description: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html should have links to http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?query and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 22:06:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5AE16A41F for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:06:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F076643D46 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:06:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from elvstone@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so8584rne for ; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NNdPoNSd+D5t4NzVEpJaxvI/m3fHBFbNlYSsiWv6/dHco7jDgQIUVoNZ6CCsgaekDhqjeqzS8tSySY9jsPCKf5WvywDJBTFkwEMm3EGu3CIvWKbZ6KnBqnXWxZpozWen1ae7rwOpGctaExGeCVbECTa7n5k5P0OJljHOaQgY6fA= Received: by 10.11.98.76 with SMTP id v76mr45053cwb; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.34 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <751a4f870510071506k5c74b84bk@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:06:51 +0200 From: Aron Stansvik To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: <20051007204303.GV72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <751a4f870510061512l5f023be3n@mail.gmail.com> <20051007204303.GV72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I miss my Handbook link! :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:06:52 -0000 2005/10/7, Peter Jeremy : > On Fri, 2005-Oct-07 00:12:43 +0200, Aron Stansvik wrote: > >BTW, I have a vector (SVG) version of the BSD daemon I made a year > >ago, just to have something on my desktop. > > I'd say that the major problem with this is that few browsers support > SVG yet. It looks like recent versions of Mozilla support it (but I > don't think it did when I checked around the beginning of the year). > Firefox and IE don't appear to. Oh. I didn't mean for the actual SVG to be used on the website, but a bitmap rendered from it. The daemon I made looks a bit different from the current one used too. See the thread "Do you want my vector daemon?" on this list. Aron From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 00:21:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8247C16A41F; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:21:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC7643D45; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:21:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j980LZx0049907; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:21:35 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j980LZjD049903; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:21:35 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:21:35 GMT From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200510080021.j980LZjD049903@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, bugmeister@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87093: reporting bugs - filter some by adding link to search and faq X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:21:35 -0000 Synopsis: reporting bugs - filter some by adding link to search and faq Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->bugmeister Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Oct 8 00:21:16 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Sounds like our department. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87093 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 01:02:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F23A16A41F; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:02:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1181A43D46; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:02:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id j9812PA08115; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:02:25 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <20051008110225.52611@caamora.com.au> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:02:25 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Greg Black on Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 03:12:04PM +1000 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:02:45 -0000 greetings all, my bagage is this .. i am a disabled man who lives with severe chronicly debiliting pain from significantly danaged neurology and associated arthritis. there are several other conributing issues but i don't need to belabour the point more than this. i use freebsd on hardware that i used to ply my trade (systems analyst consultant for several organisations involved in the research and developemt of computer based tools for resource management on broad acre farm systems and othe niche water resourec management systems and teh odd scart management systems. these days i live a leisurely life on a retirement plan otherwise know as the oinvalide pension .. its meager but its doable enough to keep body and soul together for the time being.. sortofa grin. i use lynx browser on an old intel computer, and soon maybe digital unix on a dec alphastation 255 (with a 233 mhx cpu a 1gb scsi hhd and 128 mb dram and a 10 mhz dec ethernet card) this assumes that i cannot get freebsd or netbsd installed on this nice little workstation. i've just tried to spend some time on teh new webpage ... On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 03:12:04PM +1000, Greg Black wrote: > This belongs on freebsd-www; reply-to set accordingly. > > On 2005-10-06, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:37:40PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 05:33:26PM -0400, Kris Kennaway was witnessed plotting the following conspiracy: > >>> On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 04:43:36PM -0400, Dan Ponte wrote: > >>> > >>>> I second that all the way. Personally, I feel that the FreeBSD project > >>>> is doing too much in the way of appearing "trendy" to attract new users, > >>>> and it's at the expense of its existing userbase. Not to mention that > >>>> the old site rendered perfectly in elinks, while the new one is a mess > >>>> (scrolling all over the place). > >>> > >>> Thanks for sharing your opinion, but you forgot to explain how a new > >>> website will make existing FreeBSD users stop using the operating > >>> system. > > What an absurd way to read what he wrote. Clearly he meant that > the reduction in usability of the new site is at the expense of > the existing userbase which has come to expect certain things > from the site. He said nothing about people leaving and you're > just trolling with the above statement. > > >> I should have worded that differently. By "expense" I didn't mean that > >> the existing userbase would shrink, but, rather, it would be at a > >> disadvantage to it. Though, I don't think that anyone would have truly > >> seen it as the former. > > Nobody who wanted to play fair would have seen it like that. > > > If you think the new design truly puts you at some kind of > > disadvantage, you should formulate constructive ideas for how to fix > > that. > > The problems with the new design have been widely canvassed on > the freebsd-www list, where the discussion belongs. > > Unfortunately, that list is inhabited by a bunch of apologists > for the new design who seem to be mainly interested in shouting > down the people who have raised legitimate concerns; or if that > fails, in belittling them. > > To list the most critical issues: > > * Many important navigation links (e.g., the Handbook, the > Ports) disappeared from the front page. > > * The user interface design is dreadful (e.g., fixed sizes for > things that cause all kinds of breakage when windows are > resized or font sizes changed to suit the reader). > > * Really boring junk has replaced real content on the front > page (e.g., lengthy list of new committers under the heading > of "news"). > > Anyway, rather than protesting that the new thing is wonderful > and continually demanding "constructive" criticism from people > who are offering just that, why not listen to the suggestions > and see how to improve things? if i understand this i would like to say yes, please it is time that freebsd et al lead teh way to show how easy it is to incorporate daiabled users accability into a large scale generally available webpage accessed by a wide verity of teh target population. > > For years, I've been sending people to the FreeBSD site to get > information and help -- universally, I've had excellent feedback > from all kinds of users about the value and ease of use of the > site. The claims that the old site was too hard to use that > have been advanced as the main reason for the update just don't > hold water, as far as I'm concerned. i too have been sending people to teh freebsd web page but unlike perhaps "gregs people" jonathans crowd have been much like him .. argumentative, demanding obnoxious opininated and somewhat loudmounted in thier own ways .. thats teh two leged standing variety, the two wheeled sitting variety have been just as cantankerious and impossible to deal with, we as disabled people can be from time to time. especially when we find webpages that are claimed to be easy to read and have won the odd award .. we wonder what kinds of awards or blind and or illiterates were on teh committy. i've offten made (tried to) point that if you make a page accessible to a disabled peron that all teh (so called) not so disabled people will find the pages far easier to use and a sight more easier on teh eye. these days the (so called) exerts at w3.org now seem to agree with this point of view. > Anyway, I see that the people in charge will do whatever they > want and it will be up to the rest of us to make the best of it. as they have always done, and so will continue, unless adequately persuasive arguments can be proffered by equally persuasive people, even if tehy are not towing teh "company line" i've always laboured in teh view that the internet is supposed to be an inclusive medium .. not teh now rapidly becoming devisively exclusive LogIn/JoinHere/SignUpNow/GetYourAutherisedId etc etc etc kind of space exclusionary sphere/space/world/system and so on on on. > At least this lack of responsiveness means that I can feel OK > about unsubscribing from the noise on freebsd-www, since being > there will clearly accomplish nothing. sadly this is teh tred that i see developing i all of the (megre subset) od freebsd fora i still read for information, that at times is in short supply, but the volume of mail fails not to surge, not nessacerily because of teh attendant spam/vira/propositions/obligatory 'sales' promotion materials. in conclusion, as hard as life used to be i'm starting to long for that world that the freebsd malilinglists used to be 5 years ago, hell even as far as ten years ago .. people answered questions and offered pertinent advice .. sometimes it was off key but freebsd was "simple" enough to even a green user like me could fix things for themselves. now, even with my (almost complete, save teh last semister when i walked out, for reasons of my own stupid pride) bSci (computing) and a strand of mathamatics applied .. has diffuculty reading let alone being able to understand enought to make sence off .. being abl to fix, whose kiding who unless one is completely upto date andor involved in teh development cycle it is difficult enough to coe to terms with. i used to program with BASIC and some basic fortran to build modles of the water strogage systems we used to build/design ..... i'm getting involed, sorry this is nto the time or place i do not have teh intelectual resources or emotional capacities any more to get this involved. all that i have ever asked of the people who have teh strings that make freebsd usable by all people and the secondary string set that controls teh freebsd webspace is that you keep in your conciderations those of teh freebsd communbity who like me have neither the skills of language or communications to be able to adequalty/clearley articulate owr needs for an interface/web page tools that are in truth not that diferent to all teh rest of teh people who use these self same kits/objects/systems/pages we are not asking for much just for a chance to be included and or heard with out being riduclude insulted aand or humilliated .. as was teh want of a prsticular group of people who wonce wandered the pages of teh bsd malinlistsg some time ago. while thay are gone some of teh attitude remains and from time to time prevails. note i'm not talking about the idiotic 'politically correct' talk or attitude set, that has done far more damage to us the disabled as a whole and has raised far more barriers than all teh dark glasses, wheelchairs, canes {white and otherwise) and all teh mangled bodes like mine, some worse, some not so bad, evenly societally acceptable as normal ... as my grandmother used to say, give a disabled perons a hand, who knows you may just be helping your self. i didn;t understand that in my teens i thought it was stupid .. now 40 years latter i regret not having my grandmothers wisdom, or having her around anymore to ask her for the help only someone of her age and experience can give. we all have skills and abilites .. even the stupid one like me. take care all kind regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 01:34:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C81116A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:34:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D0243D4C for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:34:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j981YhYs006359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:34:43 +1000 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j981YhSR093223 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:34:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j981YgdK093222 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:34:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:34:42 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051008013442.GX72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: New website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:34:45 -0000 Whilst the new website looks OK on my laptop at 800x600, switching to my desktop reveals a number of serious shortcomings (as noted by other people as well). 1) If your browser is not in a window that is roughly 800px wide, you either need to scroll horizonally or have whitespace on the edges. The old website resized automatically so this is a serious regression. Looking at Emily's proposal PNGs that were posted recently, this is far more obvious there. 2) The default text size is too small. As other people have stated, if I've gone to the efford of setting up my browser to provide a text size that suits me, why should the website over-ride it? Clicking the 'large' text buton gives me back the text size I configured but only if I have Javascript and cookies enabled. The language choices also then wrap onto two lines. Again, this is a regression. 3) Visited links are no longer displayed as visited. Another regression. I also think that dedicating about 50% of the home page to news, events, press releases etc is overkill. More space should be allocated explaining what FreeBSD is and why you should read more about it. Based on the new front page, I don't see anything that would make me bother to click through to the "learn more" - the existing text does not distinguish it from any other *BSD. The 'Donate' and 'Contact' links at the top need to be better distinguished from the 'text size' links. My suggestion would be to move the 'Donate' and 'Contact' links into the main menu bar (and get rid of the need for the text size links by not breaking the text size to start with). There has been some suggestions that having a smaller home page means that you don't need to scroll. Unfortunately, this isn't true unless you have a very tall screen. Whilst I can how see most of the headings in the bottom section of the screen, none of them are links so I still need to scroll down. How about converting all these headings to links? Overall, I'm disappointed at the regressions in the adaptability of the website - just because lots of other websites state "best viewed with MSIE at 800x600 resolution" doesn't make it right. It's a pity that there appears to have been no effort to provide a trial version of the new website to get some feedback. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 01:38:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFB616A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:38:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from web@merit.edu) Received: from fiji.merit.edu (fiji.merit.edu [198.108.1.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE5643D46 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:38:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from web@merit.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fiji.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA6A1879; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web1.merit.edu (web1.merit.edu [198.108.62.192]) by fiji.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46B01856; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from web@localhost) by web1.merit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA13124; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:38:37 -0400 From: William Bulley To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20051007213837.A13067@web1.merit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Murray Stokely , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1us X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at merit.edu Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:38:39 -0000 According to Murray Stokely : > > The main complaint with the old site was that there were WAY too many > cluttered links on the front page. > > Still we know it's not perfect and are looking to improve it further. > If you have specific suggestions please mail them to > freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org and/or open up a PR about them. > > Thanks for the feedback! You're welcome. :-) Do you plan to leave the http://www.FreeBSD.org/old/ page around indefinitely and update both sites in lock step? Or do you plan to migrate from the old to the new, and eventually retire the old? Thanks again. Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@merit.edu Merit Network Inc. Ann Arbor, Michigan From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 01:42:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BF716A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:42:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5932F43D70 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:42:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 3740E1CC6F; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:42:03 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051008014203.GD68496@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051007213837.A13067@web1.merit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051007213837.A13067@web1.merit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD Project Launches Improved Website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:42:07 -0000 On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 09:38:37PM -0400, William Bulley wrote: > Do you plan to leave the http://www.FreeBSD.org/old/ page around > indefinitely and update both sites in lock step? Or do you plan > to migrate from the old to the new, and eventually retire the old? The old page is not being updated any more. It is just a static copy of the last version of the old site that will never change. It is there for reference purposes so that we can discuss and find regressions where things were done better the old way and improve those on the new site. The old subdirectory will be 'rm -rf'ed in a few weeks. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 01:55:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF85316A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:55:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C40843D45 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:55:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 8EA771CC67; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:55:26 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20051008015526.GE68496@freebsdmall.com> References: <20051008013442.GX72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051008013442.GX72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:55:27 -0000 On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:34:42AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > 2) The default text size is too small. As other people have stated, > if I've gone to the efford of setting up my browser to provide a text > size that suits me, why should the website over-ride it? Clicking > the 'large' text buton gives me back the text size I configured but > only if I have Javascript and cookies enabled. The language choices > also then wrap onto two lines. Again, this is a regression. Do you have a specific suggestion about this issue? Some have proposed leaving everything else the same but just defaulting to the larger size. That would affect the layout a bit on the main page but all the second level pages should be mostly unaffected (just larger). > 3) Visited links are no longer displayed as visited. Another regression. What color do you suggest for visited links? This one should be a one line fix. > The 'Donate' and 'Contact' links at the top need to be better > distinguished from the 'text size' links. My suggestion would be to > move the 'Donate' and 'Contact' links into the main menu bar (and > get rid of the need for the text size links by not breaking the > text size to start with). Yea they probably aren't perfect there. I'm not sure you're suggestion is perfect either though. I'd have to see a mock up. Care to make one? > in the bottom section of the screen, none of them are links so I still > need to scroll down. How about converting all these headings to links? That might be helpful. Each list ends with 'More foo...' and I suppose we could also make the headings point to the same thing as the 'More foo...' links. I think it might be kind of link/underline overload though as that would make every single english word in the grey box (making up 50% of the screen) be a link. > Overall, I'm disappointed at the regressions in the adaptability of > the website - just because lots of other websites state "best viewed Then let's fix them. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 02:54:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E29216A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 02:54:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erh@theimpossible.net) Received: from pedro.ericnix.org (host-70-150-89-9.gforcecable.com [70.150.89.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AC643D46 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 02:54:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erh@theimpossible.net) Received: by pedro.ericnix.org (Postfix, from userid 1005) id A177A443E; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:48:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:48:21 -0500 From: Eric Ryan Harrison To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051008034820.GA30150@theimpossible.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <20051008013442.GX72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051008013442.GX72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Homepage: http://ericnix.org X-Accept-Language: en X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE X-GPG-ID: ED8503F0 X-GPG-Fingerprint: E230 DA84 E21B 7A4A 5B55 39FB FA78 5012 ED85 03F0 X-AIM-ID: anangrywriter Subject: Re: New website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 02:54:28 -0000 I'm replying to Peter instead of crafting my own message because I think he's touched on a few good points and I'd love to just kinda throw my opinion into the queue as well. Peter Jeremy (2005-10-08, 11:34): > Whilst the new website looks OK on my laptop at 800x600, switching to > my desktop reveals a number of serious shortcomings (as noted by other > people as well). I _personally_ think the new website looks freaking awesome. But then again, I use an average browser at an average resolution. > > 1) If your browser is not in a window that is roughly 800px wide, you > either need to scroll horizonally or have whitespace on the edges. > The old website resized automatically so this is a serious regression. > Looking at Emily's proposal PNGs that were posted recently, this is > far more obvious there. CSS/XHTML is definitely a step forward. However, it has been said numerous times already, but web design is fluid. The only thing that is _EVER_ certain in web design is that none of your users will EVER render the same thing the same way. Your best option is to GIVE the user options and let it run from there. Percentages are the way to go here. You can still achieve the exact same look and feel with a percentage value that you do with all of your fixed sizes, but this will make the page accessible to everyone from the dude who's in a 80 character wide console to Mr.Expensive-Pants who is browsing on his 5 foot HDTV display (or whatever you rich fools are buying these days). > 2) The default text size is too small. As other people have stated, -snip- Text sizes should NEVER be set by a website. Sure, it's nice to have a 12px font offset your beautiful 14 px improperly used H3 elements if you get off on that sort of thing. But FreeBSD's website purpose should always be to provide information. Look at the first four letters of your name. 'Free' (for those of you not good with substr()). Sure, we can argue semantics all day about the definition of the word Free, but last time I checked, FreeBSD didn't cost 300$ per license. So give out information about what you're doing and why you're doing it. Be 'Free' in all things. This is the ultimate form of Evangelism or Advocacy or whatever snappy word you use for "Getting People To Use The Stuff I Made." You give away the OS. You give away the documentation. You just make things VERY difficult to get to for all users, and therein lies the problem. > 3) Visited links are no longer displayed as visited. Another regression. > This is a dead horse. In 1999 when I first started monkeying with some CSS stuff, I too was awed by the way I could do all kinds of stupid, illogical things with links. I could change the text to whatever I wanted when I hover over it and the WORLD WAS AMAZED!!! (emphasis mine) at how utterly irrelevant I was in the scheme of things. FreeBSD is the BEST operating system I've ever had the pleasure of using and I want the website to reflect this. I have never read a single usability report that stated "In order to make your site EASY to navigate, please make it so that your users have no clue which link out of the hundreds of thousands of pages on your site they have visited or clicked on." And the sub-heading to that fictional usability document would probably say, "Bonus points for someone who DOESN'T change the color of links based on history AND ALSO changes the text FOR a link on different pages THROUGHOUT the site so that the users will never REALLY know where they are or where they are going." > I also think that dedicating about 50% of the home page to news, > events, press releases etc is overkill. More space should be > allocated explaining what FreeBSD is and why you should read more > about it. Whoa! Hold the ship here! I completely and utterly disagree with you Peter. Not because you're wrong. It's a difference of opinion, but thanks for giving your opinion clearly. That's good form. For me, I _really_ love having the home page be more than just a series of static documents that never change. It's important to have all your necessary links, but I also think that it's essential to website outreach efforts to also make the website's frontpage do more instead of less. This issue is a 50/50 split it seems between usability experts, but I'd be willing to place money on more eventually winning out. I agree that the news section is poorly designed and doesn't really work in the most efficient manner, but I fall under the 'more' category of web design. The oldschool users usually are the ones who dislike the 'more' idea, because they're used to the old page. But after a while, in websites, your power users generally will start to bypass the main page anyway, so they are not the best audience to listen to regarding what content the front page should have. I've seen some great things being posted about things that were missing on the page (Handbook link, etc) and those were good catches. But after a few months, the power users will be typing in the URLs to the pages they want to go to, and their opinions on the frontpage design become moot. > Based on the new front page, I don't see anything that > would make me bother to click through to the "learn more" - the > existing text does not distinguish it from any other *BSD. FreeBSD is a specific niche product. A techy nerd type (which most of us probably are) already KNOW what FreeBSD is and what differences it has to other *BSD's. We're not the target for outreach. We're already customers to the grand vision of FreeBSD. But completely clueless users won't even know what a *BSD is or why they should use it. They want to know about how to get on 'The Internets' if you don't give them an Internet Explorer link RIGHT on their desktop. The grand question that the webdesign team needs to ask themselves is: "What the heck ARE we trying to do?" It's great to say, "Hey, we're FreeBSD's website and we need to have the best website on the whole planet." That is a very noble goal, but that never works out (unless you're MySpace.com (but I seriously believe that's just a combination of strange solar movement patterns affecting the brainwaves of American's as a whole and will later be cured with a new additive to tap water yet to be invented)). You need to decide who it is you are targeting with your website. If you are targetting Systems Administrators already running FreeBSD, then maybe http://freebsd.org should be a link to the -CURRENT,-STABLE,-RELEASE kernels and a table of contents for the Handbook. If you're trying to get Microsoft Windows users to give FreeBSD a shot on the desktop, maybe you need to have a whole bunch of step by step walkthroughs that explain from the get-go on how to do each and every task a regular user would need. Of course, if that's your goal, I think maybe you need to redesign the OS itself. ;) I've always thought of FreeBSD as the fast, stable, and infinitely configurable operating system for people who needed an operating system they could depend on. I've used FreeBSD in almost every environment that I've ever had to depend on any sort of server for any sort of mission critical function. FreeBSD has never let me down yet. But if your sole product (the OS) is targetted towards systems administrators who already are capable with Unix systems and theories, then having a website geared towards home users is hurtful to your home users (who will be sold by the website and be kicked in the junk by the product) AND the unix-heads (who will love the product but get screwed on a crappy, featureless website). The main topic behind this block of information has been this idea: Please, for the love of uid0, decide what it is you are trying to accomplish and do that and only that until your ability to accomplish your mission is so well handled that branching off into wild ideas that may or may not actually work won't do anything but good. You're not at that point yet, and while I love the new look of the website in comparison with the drab, 1994 looking version that made me think of "Netscape 4.0!", I think it needs to be refined. > The 'Donate' and 'Contact' links at the top need to be better > distinguished from the 'text size' links. My suggestion would be to > move the 'Donate' and 'Contact' links into the main menu bar (and > get rid of the need for the text size links by not breaking the > text size to start with). I agree with the breaking text thing. Text sizes are absolutely not supposed to be in the realm of something the web team should want to control. Use your

    tags to denote paragraphical text. Use your

  • tags to denote lists. 's for your content headings and then let the client decide what it is that he/she needs to read the website comfortably. This is one of the only things that all browsers actually do well. MSIE might not handle CSS padding syntax, Lynx will display boring flat text, your Firefox users are using Greasemonkey to integrate your webpage into a scrolling RSS feed that they're dumping to Gmail and integrating into their filesystem using a GoogleFS port, so the only sane option is to say "screw" it and don't set your text sizes anywhere. Just s/font-style:\n//g and be done with the whole she-bang. Your website will be better for it. > There has been some suggestions that having a smaller home page means > that you don't need to scroll. Unfortunately, this isn't true unless > you have a very tall screen. Whilst I can how see most of the headings > in the bottom section of the screen, none of them are links so I still > need to scroll down. How about converting all these headings to links? > > Overall, I'm disappointed at the regressions in the adaptability of > the website - just because lots of other websites state "best viewed > with MSIE at 800x600 resolution" doesn't make it right. It's a pity > that there appears to have been no effort to provide a trial version > of the new website to get some feedback. > > -- > Peter Jeremy Again, thanks for the nice email that I could expand on instead of restating the same things over and over and over again. I just want to touch on a few things of my own before I close this email. A) I get it. FreeBSD's mascot is a daemon and he's cute and red and cuddly so you want to have your base color be #990000 for all of your links. How adorable. No, seriously, I get it. However, if you'll go here: http://www.internettg.org/newsletter/mar99/color_challenged_applet.html (Sorry that it's Java based (there are other offerings available elsewhere if you want to look)) ... you'll see what happens to red/green color blind users when they see anything on your website in #990000. It shows up as a dull grey/green. Not a big deal, you suggest, and yet you've chosen to implement that as your primary link color and have it change to a grey on hover. I love that FreeBSD is devilly and all that stuff, but a website (with usability in mind) should leave the 990000 to the mascot's skin tone and leave the links at the default blue/purple combination that has become the default color in browsers for a reason. If you don't think that blue's fit where your links all seem to be, then perhaps a tweaking of those colors are in order. It's a usability issue more than anything and comes into play quite heavily when in comparison to the Heading links (or lack of actual links) that share the same color and yet aren't actually links like one would expect. Colors (in the way that is being used here) are very important, and you have violated just about every usability theory on the planet in one fell swoop. The designer will hate it because you'll be "destroying her vision", but at the end of the day, why bother creating a website at all if you're not going to make it as useable for the users as you possibly can. B) I LOVE the fact that we (the collective FreeBSD users) now have a new website to call home. A lot of the rants that I've seen on the lists over the last little bit of time have been (for the most part) just culture shock. I, for one, have been VERY happy to FINALLY have a new layout that's a little more modernized. Despite all the things that have been said here, it's far easier at the point we're at now to flexibly move into a place that's better for the users and the maintainers than our old webpage ever was. There are some deficiencies and I just want to make sure they're being addressed properly instead of as a series of rants by users who woke up to find a new website they didn't know was coming. All of that said, the webdesigner did a GREAT job in the Summer of Code for us and she deserves our deepest thanks for doing a thankless job with some VERY difficult restrictions (like no PHP? wtf is up with that... ;) ) to having to deal with 200,000 users around the world who love an OS that fills the niche of the most brutally unpleasing (to the eye) design out of all other OS's that fit in mainstream markets. FreeBSD fills this role EXCELLENTLY, since it's the only OS that I can count on to work on any platform I can imagine and do it without the fluff I've come to expect from the Linux distro's and (gasp) Sun and Microsoft (although their installer still sucks too, so meh!). With that in mind, FreeBSD does this very well, but designing a site to please users who FreeBSD appeals to seems like a frightening task. Designer: Thanks for putting in the hours this summer and doing great things for our website. Finally: I've read some negative things from the list recently and heard things like "Well, submit a patch" or something like that. That's expected from driver software or in ports, but I didn't know FreeBSD's website was "patchable" in this regards too. I am a webdeveloper for a living and would be more than happy to share my knowledge in any way that I can (FINALLY! Something I can contribute to FreeBSD!) and a lot of the problems seem like very easy fixes in the CSS (now aren't you glad you can change every page with one CSS tweak? ;)) But I don't know enough of the politics behind how things are done and I'm going to still have to go and read up on the website patch submission process, and by then it may be too late. But, regardless of if it seems like I've been very critical, I'd be MORE than happy to help with patches,suggestions,a critical external perspective,or even just as a filter for giving the maintainers links to websites that discuss usability and design and whatnot and help them strip out the crap. I'm here for FreeBSD because FreeBSD has always been here for me, so if you don't see any website patches from 'erh@theimpossible.net' coming in, you can assume that I've still not figured out how to submit a patch yet. Anyway, thanks again Designer. Thanks again Dev's. The site change is going to be a lot of fun. -E > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-www@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-www-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 04:01:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4D516A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 04:01:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: from mail.harbourit.com.au (mail.harbourit.com.au [220.245.172.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7952D43D46 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 04:01:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from "") Received: from MailMarshal.Engine ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.harbourit.com.au with NetIQ MailMarshal (v6, 0, 3, 8) id ; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:00:59 +1000 Message-ID: From: mailmarshal@harbourit.com.au To: www@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:00:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--=dee68c62-098a-4c21-b737-f88ae2ddd5a9" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: lupco.talevski@harbourit.com.au Subject: Your email message was blocked X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 04:01:45 -0000 ----=dee68c62-098a-4c21-b737-f88ae2ddd5a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following email message was blocked by MailMarshal: From:www@freebsd.org To:lupco.talevski@harbourit.com.au Subject:Re: My details Message:B434744720000.000000000001.0001.mml Because it contains anexecutable file. If you believe the message is business related, please send a message to = nswservices@harbourit.com.au and request that the message be released. If= =20no contact is made within 5 days the message will be automatically del= eted. MailMarshal Rule: Content Security (Inbound) : Block EXECUTABLE Files NetIQ MailMarshal Email Content Security=20 ----=dee68c62-098a-4c21-b737-f88ae2ddd5a9-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 09:49:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7417016A41F; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:49:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1143343D45; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:49:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Received: from [172.16.1.3] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j989n6lv027282; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 05:49:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051008110225.52611@caamora.com.au> References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051008110225.52611@caamora.com.au> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:48:59 +0200 To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Cc: Subject: Re: new FreeBSD-webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 09:49:10 -0000 At 11:02 AM +1000 2005-10-08, jonathan michaels wrote: > i've offten made (tried to) point that if you make a page accessible to > a disabled peron that all teh (so called) not so disabled people will > find the pages far easier to use and a sight more easier on teh eye. I've felt this way for a long time. I am not disabled myself, but I've known some people who are, and I've seen some of the things that they've had to deal with. Generally speaking, if you can make something easy enough for them to use, then it's easier for everyone else to use, too. But then, I guess I'm the choir that you're preaching to. The problem is that we need to convince the rest of the world. > i've always laboured in teh view that the internet is supposed to be an > inclusive medium .. not teh now rapidly becoming devisively exclusive > LogIn/JoinHere/SignUpNow/GetYourAutherisedId etc etc etc kind of space > exclusionary sphere/space/world/system and so on on on. Yup. And stupid crap like JavaScript and Flash tend to be more exclusive. And everyone and their friggin' brother seems to want to make their website dependant on these kinds of technologies. I think maybe we need a few more ADA lawsuits filed against companies (and other organizations) for the crimes they are committing with their websites. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 10:03:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118CB16A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:03:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6550F43D48 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:03:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail13.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j98A3QwM029611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:03:27 +1000 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j98A3QSR093773 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:03:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id j98A3QSl093772 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:03:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:03:26 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051008100325.GY72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Building a local copy of www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:03:29 -0000 I'm trying to build a local copy of the FreeBSD website so I can do some experimenting and try to improve some of the things I don't like about the new website. Unfortunately, my attempt to build the website dies: ===> news/2000 /usr/bin/sed -e 's///' index.sgml | /usr/bin/env +SGML_CATALOG_FILES= /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm -d -c +/usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog -D /var/tmp/build/www/en/news/2000 > +index.html || (/bin/rm -f index.html && false) /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null -asxml index.html *** Error code 1 (ignored) ===> news/2001 make: don't know how to make index.html. Stop *** Error code 1 (ignored) *** Error code 2 Stop in /var/tmp/build/www/en/news. I've tried both following the instructions in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/the-website-build.html as well as using www/tools/webupdate with the same result. I presume the errors from "tidy" are expected but why can't I create www/en/news/2001/index.html? -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 11:01:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D8616A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:01:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif2-3-1-cust208.cdif.cable.ntl.com [82.31.78.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE1943D45 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:01:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ceri@submonkey.net) Received: from ceri by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.53 (FreeBSD)) id 1EOCSh-000PN6-DA; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:01:55 +0100 Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:01:55 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20051008110155.GW99170@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Peter Jeremy , freebsd-www@freebsd.org References: <20051008100325.GY72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8bLSEqNM5P+Jqlqx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051008100325.GY72352@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: Ceri Davies Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building a local copy of www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:01:59 -0000 --8bLSEqNM5P+Jqlqx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 08:03:26PM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > I'm trying to build a local copy of the FreeBSD website so I can do some > experimenting and try to improve some of the things I don't like about > the new website. Unfortunately, my attempt to build the website dies: >=20 > =3D=3D=3D> news/2000 > /usr/bin/sed -e 's/ +$">//' index.sgml | /usr/bin/env > +SGML_CATALOG_FILES=3D /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm -d -c > +/usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog -D /var/tmp/build/www/en/news/2000 > > +index.html || (/bin/rm -f index.html && false) > /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null -asxml index.html > *** Error code 1 (ignored) > =3D=3D=3D> news/2001 > make: don't know how to make index.html. Stop > *** Error code 1 (ignored) > *** Error code 2 >=20 > Stop in /var/tmp/build/www/en/news. >=20 > I've tried both following the instructions in > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/the-website-b= uild.html > as well as using www/tools/webupdate with the same result. >=20 > I presume the errors from "tidy" are expected but why can't I create > www/en/news/2001/index.html? It looks like you don't have an up-to-date copy of the XML bits. Try checking out a fresh tree. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --8bLSEqNM5P+Jqlqx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDR6cjocfcwTS3JF8RAihGAJ9NAzpNbWkVQ53NYAY/8Z18rQ1GEQCfWF1s P8cMqj7FjncOcdm9XTabk1Q= =KUxt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8bLSEqNM5P+Jqlqx-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 12:21:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA3516A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:21:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gbergling@0xfce3.net) Received: from einhorn.in-berlin.de (einhorn.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1B543D45 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:21:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gbergling@0xfce3.net) X-Envelope-From: gbergling@0xfce3.net X-Envelope-To: Received: from [192.168.1.2] (port-212-202-168-9.dynamic.qsc.de [212.202.168.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by einhorn.in-berlin.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/Debian-4) with ESMTP id j98CL4IP007258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 14:21:06 +0200 Message-ID: <4347B9B0.30903@0xfce3.net> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:21:04 +0200 From: Gordon Bergling User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: (-1.037) AWL,BAYES_05 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang_at_IN-Berlin_e.V. on 192.109.42.8 Subject: Missing link to the "status reports" page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gbergling@0xfce3.net List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:21:12 -0000 Hi, I maybe blind, but I didn't find a link to the status report page, which is located at http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/ Maybe someone can put a link to this page at http://www.freebsd.org/news/ best regards, Gordon From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 13:09:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF4816A41F; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:09:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E3443D45; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:09:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98D9S8p054650; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:09:28 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j98D9Soh054646; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:09:28 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:09:28 GMT From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200510081309.j98D9Soh054646@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87119: [patch] encode copyright and such symbolically X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:09:28 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] encode copyright and such symbolically Class-Changed-From-To: sw-bug->change-request Class-Changed-By: linimon Class-Changed-When: Sat Oct 8 13:05:50 GMT 2005 Class-Changed-Why: Rescue this PR from the 'pending' category. Responsible-Changed-From-To: gnats-admin->freebsd-www Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Oct 8 13:05:50 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=87119 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 15:24:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73ABD16A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:24:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: from mail.data.bg (mail.data.bg [195.149.248.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BB4A43D48 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:23:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danchev@spnet.net) Received: (qmail 30395 invoked by uid 104); 8 Oct 2005 15:23:40 -0000 Received: from danchev@spnet.net by mail by uid 104 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 2.20. uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. Clear:SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3. Processed in 3.909882 secs); 08 Oct 2005 15:23:40 -0000 X-Spam-Tag-Score: SA:0(-2.5/8.0):AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Spamassassin-Hits: -2.5 X-Spamassassin-Tests: AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO danchev5.ddns.homelan.bg) (83.97.29.227) by smtp.data.bg with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 15:23:36 -0000 From: George Danchev To: www@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:23:26 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4214362.HsgJ57McDr"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200510081823.36044.danchev@spnet.net> Cc: Subject: 'free room and add content' suggestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:24:00 -0000 --nextPart4214362.HsgJ57McDr Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello,=20 What do you think to free some room like that: No SHORTCUTS and New to=20 =46reeBSD? oval and you can easily add more links (considered further) belo= w=20 the mirror's list: http://www.bg.freebsd.org/~danchev/www/en/ http://www.bg.freebsd.org/~danchev/patches/ I'm gathering new FreeBSD site regressions and suggestions here: http://www.bg.freebsd.org/~danchev/probs/probs.html /* the list does not pretend to be exhautive at all */ p.s. please do not ask from me beautifications. p.s.s. please, do not cc, I'm subscribed. =2D-=20 pub 4096R/0E4BD0AB 2003-03-18 fingerprint 1AE7 7C66 0A26 5BFF DF22 5D55 1C57 0C89 0E4B D0AB=20 --nextPart4214362.HsgJ57McDr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUAQ0fkdxxXDIkOS9CrAQLqOw/+JnYpV87lZU0R/20IMq5vO41r01vwkAaR VyetiTCcNjNALOA8dIpeQkRubwCfLcRl60Ta9ye4AG8CwvUFwI6stp56Pdehq6Jd GSkJpwfFgeitNErCdc2fWfmz7nZOHcd+Kgb3XGnNzfqaAlSScaEYsTQLGl3q+RZc zb4m99onFs64uqey4/xpK0FrfoNAtwkqqZ4doHBLKwIIBMQ5Ipi+1xLGuVyGUcqi lFNF/EPI5pTdhiKogiMbG5Q5IhnT4wtSZDA4eIRt+95ccIgvy84c8v2AguExN1E3 EK+vSrQyZrOq7pIAoU2CUHCVuSabzCdMxxMxrAklS5RR3S+9MBwfWDZibBrkpLXX /jCdmy/9gX/TUwulD4G28eGtwZ2zdPMemfrmyrSpraj0zi9PuRR9WKjuNBAV0Tc7 Osde8WOV1kNU5DVQtuZ82qTCH+XYij9CdO9/FejO+xFpgGjsltXL+Fjp9j0I7fqZ tnSWBG/jldwTI/HdIBQuUfg4r1Olc+tt2f91EoK4IbDSRfoeXF01qh0ZceVElEeg K7zdg48DDhrYoUOKNX46Xenm8isU3J6BrKUUU1RKJnhiFSO4ik6XOzyORQKeCxTU rKAz+aiI5vsR9aja0xclgx/2dk2yvPPdvxmnzeGepD4kmmoyaxt5MGgQgBADD6dn s9v2TWMzY8E= =1eTU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4214362.HsgJ57McDr-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 15:45:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2056B16A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:45:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rosti.bsd@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B861643D46 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:45:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rosti.bsd@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t6so51004wxc for ; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:45:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OIemudr8Gm4boPhIBeQvEUUDVB0BJwct9wNeapeAKP5vQpliALhd+yNNDdvE8BZGAmE0B06pSDecq0+0AiUppjOvNV7b6SCi3ZqkScqUDMva0y89UZHkTU61FTtf5ujZYlOqJWNg1T8xIwOr++J/vQIKVOGSTCxu4oFoh4uW5Jk= Received: by 10.70.12.15 with SMTP id 15mr3001141wxl; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.14.19 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <59e2ee810510080838g657d0146pf5bb69bc5d7503d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:38:53 +0200 From: Rostislav Krasny To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Two change requests of the new FreeBSD website X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:45:14 -0000 Hi, I have two change requests of the new FreeBSD website: 1. Could you please add a link to http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi into the Shortcuts section of the main page? There was such a link on the old main page and it was very helpful. 2. There is a menu on the left side of http://www.freebsd.org/support.html page. Could you please add more sub-sections into the Bug Reports section of that menu? You can find such sub-sections on http://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html At least the "View a problem report by tracker id" and the "Search problem reports". They could be named on the menu by more short names, if needed. Thanks From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 17:42:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3CF16A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:42:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F93943D45 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:42:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 6F6A71CC71; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:42:02 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Gordon Bergling Message-ID: <20051008174202.GA6076@freebsdmall.com> References: <4347B9B0.30903@0xfce3.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4347B9B0.30903@0xfce3.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Missing link to the "status reports" page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 17:42:02 -0000 On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 02:21:04PM +0200, Gordon Bergling wrote: > I maybe blind, but I didn't find a link to the status report page, which > is located at http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/ > Maybe someone can put a link to this page at http://www.freebsd.org/news/ Click developers, then click status reports. Adding it to the left side nav bar of www.freebsd.org/news is a pretty good idea. Anyone else agree/disagree with that? - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 18:13:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1614916A41F; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:13:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8BE43D48; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:13:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 7FBBC1CC62; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:13:33 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Brad Knowles Message-ID: <20051008181333.GF6076@freebsdmall.com> References: <43455D3E.5040007@mbnet.fi> <20051006204336.GA36557@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006213326.GA33286@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051006213740.GA37835@neptune.atopia.net> <20051006214904.GB33546@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051008110225.52611@caamora.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Website accessability issues (was Re: new FreeBSD-webpage) X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:13:34 -0000 On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 11:48:59AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > I think maybe we need a few more ADA lawsuits filed against > companies (and other organizations) for the crimes they are > committing with their websites. Indeed. We have committers with all sorts of disabilities (including blindness) and so keeping the site fully accessible serves our own internal needs as well as those of our users. The new site continues the move away from HTML 3.2 era visual tags that we've been working on for several years. It is supposed to be more accessible than the old site. If there are regressions then please post them to freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org so we can fix them. - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 18:24:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283EF16A420 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:24:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F370843D45 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:24:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id E731E1CCA2; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:24:48 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Cc: Subject: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:24:49 -0000 The recent mail about not being able to find the status reports page points out how useless our search box is. In this case a search for 'status reports' will have the correct link in the third position, which is actually better than most queries. There should be loads of 'status reports' anchor text pointing to that page so more advanced search engines would rank it first. Is there any reason not to ditch search.cgi and move to a Yahoo! search bar for the site? - Murray From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 18:44:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE6716A41F; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:44:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119B843D45; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:44:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 3421F11B01; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:44:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:44:56 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20051008184455.GB889@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051008182448.GH6076@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Using Yahoo! or Google search bar instead of search.cgi X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:44:59 -0000 --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.08 11:24:48 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > The recent mail about not being able to find the status reports page > points out how useless our search box is. In this case a search for > 'status reports' will have the correct link in the third position, > which is actually better than most queries. There should be loads of > 'status reports' anchor text pointing to that page so more advanced > search engines would rank it first. >=20 > Is there any reason not to ditch search.cgi and move to a Yahoo! > search bar for the site? Well, in general I would prefer if we didn't have to rely on somebody else for searching, but given that our search system has been... not too useful for a long time, I would welcome any improvements, especially if it came with patches ;-). In short: Go for it! :-) (Note: I haven't actually seen Yahoo!'s search thing for individual web sites, but I assume it's better than our current search system). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSBOnh9pcDSc1mlERAjfSAJ90oSBDa3+jXhn3Qc7p3EezgAbPsACfX189 E1skAVk2AsoWywai/8sbYvY= =BTSE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 18:52:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A994016A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:52:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (cpe.atm2-0-71337.0x535ccf26.taanxx2.customer.tele.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D30643D46 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:52:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id C598611B01; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:52:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:52:25 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20051008185225.GC889@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <4347B9B0.30903@0xfce3.net> <20051008174202.GA6076@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051008174202.GA6076@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: Gordon Bergling , freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Missing link to the "status reports" page X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:52:27 -0000 --pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.10.08 10:42:02 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Sat, Oct 08, 2005 at 02:21:04PM +0200, Gordon Bergling wrote: > > I maybe blind, but I didn't find a link to the status report page, whic= h=20 > > is located at http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/ > > Maybe someone can put a link to this page at http://www.freebsd.org/new= s/ >=20 > Click developers, then click status reports. Adding it to the left > side nav bar of www.freebsd.org/news is a pretty good idea. Anyone > else agree/disagree with that? Sounds like a good idea to me. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDSBVph9pcDSc1mlERAnYtAKCmh2PRIcBEmPjgteW6qTmtCWUYnQCfeg1h 4HBGqsNCaalE+rTm+vUpsxk= =pN2i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 19:53:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: www@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256BF16A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:53:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hanche+bounces@math.ntnu.no) Received: from fiinbeck.math.ntnu.no (fiinbeck.math.ntnu.no [129.241.15.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 58F0443D49 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:53:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hanche+bounces@math.ntnu.no) Received: (qmail 30142 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2005 19:53:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Oct 2005 19:53:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:53:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20051008.215322.07615533.hanche@math.ntnu.no> To: www@freebsd.org From: Harald Hanche-Olsen X-URL: http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/ X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: New web design, font size X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:53:26 -0000 First of all, let me congratulate you with the new web design for freebsd.org. It is a vast improvement over the old one. I have one or two gripes, however: The biggest one is the default choice of font sizes: font-size: 69%; Given that this really means 69% of whatever font size the user prefers, I don't think this is such a good idea. I grant that many users don't know how to set the preferred font size in their browser. But that is no excuse for making life harder for those who do. And I'm sure that most readers of www.freebsd.org are technically savvy people who not only knows how, but have carefully configured their browsers to a font size that suits them. Please don't insult those people by essentially telling them that 69% of their preference is better. That said, however, I must applaud your provision of an alternate style sheet, mistitled "Large Text" and setting font-size: 93%; which is still not what the user wanted, but close enough. May I suggest that you make this one the default, and the other one the alternate? And retitle them "Normal text" and "Small text" or something along those lines. I could argue for pages about why this is important, but why not let Jakob Nielsen do the arguing for me? He does so quite eloquently: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20020819.html This topic shows up as the #1 design mistake in his latest Alertbox: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html By the way, I think that a smaller font size is fine for menus and lists. 69% may be overdoing it, but 80% is probably ok. For running text of more than a couple sentences, however, 100% should be the default. My second gripe is with the fixed width of the page. This gets annoying really fast, particularly when viewed on a laptop with a very high resolution screen. This is design mistake #9 in Jakob Nielsen's list, referred to above. So please look into ways to make the page width variable. It ought to be a question of setting the widths of various design elements in percent rather than pixels. - Harald From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 21:20:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF2E16A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:20:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C59D43D45 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:20:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j98LKKK3020227 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:20:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j98LKKdd020226; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:20:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:20:20 GMT Message-Id: <200510082120.j98LKKdd020226@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: "Vladimir Chukharev" Cc: Subject: Re: www/87119: [patch] encode copyright and such symbolically X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vladimir Chukharev List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:20:21 -0000 The following reply was made to PR www/87119; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Vladimir Chukharev" To: bug-followup@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/87119: [patch] encode copyright and such symbolically Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:11:19 +0300 After I had sent the PR I realized the patch is for the wrong file - it's index.xsl to be patched, not index.html. The xsl file has all the special symbols written the same way, as &#nnnn; and some of them are kept in this format in the html file, while the others are transformed to just a byte with the given code. I do not know how to fix this right. Can the entities ©, ® etc be used in xsl files? I think this form is better than &#nnnn;, at least in html files. -- V.Chukharev PS. Unfortunately Opera encoded the attached patch into base64 in the original PR, I put it here again in plain text. --- index.html.old Sat Oct 8 14:05:08 2005 +++ index.html Sat Oct 8 14:22:02 2005 @@ -128,14 +128,14 @@