From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 27 00:20:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94F516A40F for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel.perlman@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428DF43D45 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:20:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from daniel.perlman@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so1290wri for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:20:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=LGCa7gVpEFoX5okV+dCAEMXeCTyPNiMx22RRlX6HJlmtdLUxFbTqI6udzbfR6KYb/tQcA+l2jqZ0r+wK9f5SDOJwjGGQG3JMYh7zgBxXUfj32yt1OmxMSxHb6iEALfvMEtc1YH3bcl4eSj5p0ufxORS/Vqqq2dWvkjjVhQUr2aM= Received: by 10.90.94.2 with SMTP id r2mr7456agb; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.55.16 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:20:03 -0700 From: "Dan Perlman" Sender: daniel.perlman@gmail.com To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b55163e0da838368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Win4BSD Pro Desktop Released X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:20:05 -0000 Dear FreeBSD Community, Thank you all for the warm reception we received during our beta period. We're now pleased to announce that Win4BSD Pro Desktop has now been released and is available for download and purchase. Win4BSD Pro Desktop allows FreeBSD/PC-BSD users to run Windows applications and desktop from the BSD desktop. Win4BSD Press Release To download Win4BSD Pro Desktop for evaluation or to purchase, please visit http://win4bsd.com/. Again, thank you, and please give us your feedback about the product in our support forums or feel free to write to me personally at dap@win4bsd.com. Dan Perlman vp, marketing Win4BSD From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 27 09:17:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E3616A415 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AAE43D6E for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A71D2.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.113.210]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8R9HF1f026532; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:17:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8R9HDoZ081558; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:17:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8R9HIl1076848; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:17:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200609270917.k8R9HIl1076848@fire.jhs.private> To: "Dan Perlman" In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to "Dan Perlman" message dated "Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:20:03 -0700." Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:17:18 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win4BSD Pro Desktop Released X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:17:24 -0000 "Dan Perlman" wrote: > Dear FreeBSD Community, > > Thank you all for the warm reception we received during our beta period. > > We're now pleased to announce that Win4BSD Pro Desktop has now been released > and is available for download and purchase. Win4BSD Pro Desktop allows I suggest you get yourself listed under http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software_bycat.html win4bsd in search box shows you already listed elsewhere like `media/news'). -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Don't buy it ! Get it free ! http://berklix.org/free-software From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 28 07:09:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F66D16A415; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684E743D4C; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:09:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (kvenmb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8S79Y4L067861; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:09:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k8S79YID067859; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:09:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200609280709.k8S79YID067859@lurza.secnetix.de> To: scrappy@freebsd.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:09:33 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20060919142455.K1031@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:09:42 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > By the way, I've got a small question. Does the database > > throw all entries away at the end of each month, and start > > all over again with zero entries? Or is each entry expired > > after a certain time has elapsed (31 days or whatever)? > > Neither ... the month that the report was submitted for has one entry for > host ... we'll be able to graph stuff like growht in # of reporting hosts > and such ... I'm not sure that will work well ... Lets see what happens when October begins. At the beginning of September, the statistics were all reset to zero. > > I just noticed that "PC-BSD" is mentioned as separate OS in the > > statistics now. I think it would be better to count it for FreeBSD > > instead, because PC-BSD (similar to FreeSBIE) is just a standard FreeBSD > > kernel + userland, plus some gadgets on top (GUI installer or live FS, > > respectively). > > The 'plus some gadgets on top' is, IMHO, important ... it shows ppl are > adopting BSD, but that, for them, those 'gadgets' are important for the > deployment ... Sorry, I was a bit unclear ... I didn't mean to say that you shouldn't collect the numbers for each OS sub-variant (or lets call it "distribution") separately. But I think it would make sense to group them together for the "Big 4" on the front page (main page) at bsdstats.org. By the way, I think you cannot tell much from those numbers, because they don't really show any real-world usage of the various BSD variants. Not now, and not in a year from now. The reason for that is that the different BSD projects have very different policies for enabling the bsdstats script by default during installation or during update. By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD has gotten ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been growing at a much higer rate all the time, and will continue to do so. Soon the statistics will "prove" that OpenBSD's user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, because we won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar with the sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late because we're already in code freeze, and sysinstall is a particularly critical piece of code. Apart from that, such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by bike shed discussions. *sigh* I'm sorry, what I wrote isn't really constructive, but rather bellyaching about the whole situation. Maybe I should better shut up now. :-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look like a thumb." -- Steve Haflich, in comp.lang.c++ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 28 12:32:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA64E16A403; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D2943D4C; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:32:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50ADD3A4656; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:32:27 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40881-02; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4AB3A4650; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:31:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id 7ECAD33ECA; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:31:18 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1BE33D1D; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:31:18 -0300 (ADT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:31:18 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Oliver Fromme In-Reply-To: <200609280709.k8S79YID067859@lurza.secnetix.de> Message-ID: <20060928091705.X1975@ganymede.hub.org> References: <200609280709.k8S79YID067859@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:32:36 -0000 On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > By the way, I've got a small question. Does the database > > > throw all entries away at the end of each month, and start > > > all over again with zero entries? Or is each entry expired > > > after a certain time has elapsed (31 days or whatever)? > > > > Neither ... the month that the report was submitted for has one entry for > > host ... we'll be able to graph stuff like growht in # of reporting hosts > > and such ... > > I'm not sure that will work well ... Lets see what happens > when October begins. At the beginning of September, the > statistics were all reset to zero. That is correct ... this is one of my hosts: id | unique_key | country_code | first_connect -----+-----------------------------------+--------------+---------------------------- 235 | cdd6a5011ac543400bcaafb413ae577d | PA | 2006-08-15 06:53:50.077533 And this is what its reported for so far: id | operating_system | release | architecture | report_month -----+------------------+-------------+--------------+---------------------------- 235 | FreeBSD | 4.11-STABLE | i386 | 2006-08-15 07:08:50.694954 235 | FreeBSD | 4.11-STABLE | i386 | 2006-09-01 08:30:06.198988 (2 rows) One for August, one for September ... start of October, a third entry will be added ... > Sorry, I was a bit unclear ... I didn't mean to say that you shouldn't > collect the numbers for each OS sub-variant (or lets call it > "distribution") separately. But I think it would make sense to group > them together for the "Big 4" on the front page (main page) at > bsdstats.org. Except those that are working hard on the various 'sub-variants' are proud to see the fact that the work they are doing is being used, plus, it helps to advertise those sub-variants, so that ppl know they are out there ... > By the way, I think you cannot tell much from those numbers, because > they don't really show any real-world usage of the various BSD variants. > Not now, and not in a year from now. The reason for that is that the > different BSD projects have very different policies for enabling the > bsdstats script by default during installation or during update. The thing is, we're not looking at producing a "this is all the BSD hosts that are out there" sort of number ... we are trying to produce a "see, there *is* a BSD market" ... what does some place like Adaptec consider a "market", that I don't know ... 100k hosts? 500k hosts? I don't know that, each manufacturer (both software and hardware) will have different thresholds ... the point is that we now have *some* marketing numbers that aren't "purely guesswork" ... Hell, even looking at the numbers now ... 10,328 hosts, 42.2% of which are OpenBSD ... 4 362 hosts doesn't sound like alot, but those are 4 362 hosts that will *never* see an Adaptec controller because of Adaptec's closed-doc policy ... what's the average price of an Adaptec controller nowadays? Looking at there site, their SAS RAID controller is SRP: $995 ... that is $4 340 190 in potential revenu *if* everyone bought that card ... even if average price was $100, that is $436 200 in potential revenue that can't be tap'd ... and that number is probably not even 1/10th of the actual # of hosts out there ... And ya, I know, not everyone would by Adaptec even if they had open docs ... that isn't the point ... the point is that Adaptec is getting *zero* right now from the OpenBSD market, since they are closed docs ... > By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD has gotten > ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been growing at a much higer > rate all the time, and will continue to do so. Soon the statistics will > "prove" that OpenBSD's user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, > because we won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. > I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar with the > sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late because we're already in > code freeze, and sysinstall is a particularly critical piece of code. > Apart from that, such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by > bike shed discussions. Of course, not submitting the patch ASAP will ensure that not only do it not getting into 6.2-RELEASE, but it won't get into subsequent releases, or -CURRENT, or ... :) > *sigh* I'm sorry, what I wrote isn't really constructive, but rather > bellyaching about the whole situation. Maybe I should better shut up > now. :-) I got tired of bellyaching, and created bsdstats.org ... *shrug* ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 28 22:27:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E48316A40F; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A72543D4C; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:27:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302B71A3C20; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 11B4C51221; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:27:10 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20060928222710.GA2029@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20060919142455.K1031@ganymede.hub.org> <200609280709.k8S79YID067859@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9amGYk9869ThD9tj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200609280709.k8S79YID067859@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:27:13 -0000 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:09:33AM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD > has gotten ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been > growing at a much higer rate all the time, and will continue > to do so. Soon the statistics will "prove" that OpenBSD's > user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, because we > won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. > I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar > with the sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late > because we're already in code freeze, and sysinstall is > a particularly critical piece of code. Apart from that, > such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by > bike shed discussions. Just submit it...if it is too late for 6.2 (not guaranteed) then it would be in time for 6.3. The surest way to make sure it never gets into sysinstall is for nobody to ever submit a patch. Kris --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFHEw+Wry0BWjoQKURApRyAJ4g83YD+ptBCyGmA3w2AUU286GJlACfSDgH GfjmlCJ1/NZPO8Vsc1MXgkg= =6IMq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 29 01:56:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E523116A561; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@earthlink.net) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F48043D58; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:56:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsd-unix@earthlink.net) Received: from fl-71-54-28-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.54.28.212] helo=kt.weeeble.com) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GT7bb-0006U5-00; Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:55:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:56:00 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: Kris Kennaway Message-Id: <20060928215600.648b1ca1.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <20060928222710.GA2029@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20060919142455.K1031@ganymede.hub.org> <200609280709.k8S79YID067859@lurza.secnetix.de> <20060928222710.GA2029@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.9 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Oliver Fromme , "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:56:11 -0000 On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:27:10 -0400 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:09:33AM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > By the way (apropos default policies): Guess why OpenBSD > > has gotten ahead of FreeBSD in the statistics? It has been > > growing at a much higer rate all the time, and will continue > > to do so. Soon the statistics will "prove" that OpenBSD's > > user base is ten times larger than FreeBSD's, because we > > won't have a bsdstats option in sysinstall in 6.2-Release. > > I'd be willing to submit a patch (I'm somewhat familiar > > with the sysinstall code), but I assume it's too late > > because we're already in code freeze, and sysinstall is > > a particularly critical piece of code. Apart from that, > > such a patch will probably be shredded to pieces by > > bike shed discussions. > > Just submit it...if it is too late for 6.2 (not guaranteed) then it > would be in time for 6.3. The surest way to make sure it never gets > into sysinstall is for nobody to ever submit a patch. Perhaps there could be a message added to /etc/motd as an alternative for 6.2-R if its too late to be included in sysinstall. Modification of a text file should be of less concern. Using the motd might also bring it to the attention to those who will just upgrade and never see sysinstall (as well as those who almost never read mailing lists). Just a thought. Randy -- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 30 22:47:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D44F16A403; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peer.schaefer@hamburg.de) Received: from luv.int-rz.hamburg.de (frontend-1.hamburg.de [212.1.41.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B8C43D45; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:47:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peer.schaefer@hamburg.de) Received: from [85.176.182.120] (helo=[192.168.1.102]) by luv.int-rz.hamburg.de (envelope-from ) with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GTnc0-000449-Gd; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:47:12 +0200 Message-ID: <451EF3EE.2000707@hamburg.de> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 00:47:10 +0200 From: Peer Schaefer User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: CDROM-Artwork (3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 22:47:16 -0000 Hello once more, some time ago (2006-09-01 and -02) I posted some CDROM-labels and CDROM-sleeves (envelopes) for FreeBSD. I received some kind comments and modified my drafts. Modifications include: * Now compliant with the logo-guidelines: the "FreeBSD" text/logo is now single-color white (not a white "Free" with a red "BSD" as in the first draft). * To bring back a "daemonic"-red ;-) the version number is now RED. * The background-colors are a little bit brighter now (the old colors looked great on a monitor but were overly dark on printouts). Here are some thumbnails (75 dpi): http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_generic.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_alpha_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_alpha_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_amd64_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_amd64_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_i386_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_i386_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ia64_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ia64_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ppc_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ppc_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_sparc64_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_sparc64_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_generic.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_alpha.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_amd64.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_i386.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_ia64.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_ppc.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/thumbnails/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_sparc64.png Here are the high-resolution images (300 dpi): http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_generic.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_alpha_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_alpha_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_amd64_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_amd64_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_i386_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_i386_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ia64_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ia64_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ppc_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_ppc_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_sparc64_1of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Label_FreeBSD_sparc64_2of2.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_generic.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_alpha.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_amd64.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_i386.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_ia64.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_ppc.png http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/full/CDROM-Sleeve_FreeBSD_sparc64.png Here is the SVG source: http://www.wolldingwacht.de/foss/freebsd/freebsd-6.1-cdrom-artwork_svg-source.tar.gz LEGAL: The logo and the logo-font are (of course) by Anton Gural. The text is stolen from the FreeBSD-website. The remaining artwork is by me. I hereby donate my part of the artwork to the FreeBSD project, so you may use and distribute it under any license you may choose, e.g. under the BSD-license (you may even place it in the Public Domain). Unless the FreeBSD project chooses some other license, the FreeBSD license (http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/freebsd-license.html) applies. It would be nice if you give me some credit, but that's not legaly required. I would be pleased if these material could be placed at the website (e.g. http://www.freebsd.org/art.html). I would suggest putting a link to the artwork page in the downloads section, so that everyone who downloads an ISO-image can easily obtain the label and sleeve. Best regards, Peer