From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 01:48:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0647316A420 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:48:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB06A43D79 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:48:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from smiley (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E572E19F2C; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:48:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Darren Pilgrim" To: "'Francisco Reyes'" , "'Ted Mittelstaedt'" Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:48:05 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c60e75$6c552640$642a15ac@smiley> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Cc: 'Kristian Vaaf' , chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: How to convert BIND to TinyDNS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:48:22 -0000 From: Francisco Reyes > Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > > > Why are you bothering? TinyDNS isn't the "standard" nameserver that > > everyone and their dog has been using for time out of mind. The people > > that push it seem to like it because it's simpler. I dislike monoliths, they scare me. ;-) FWIW, a while back I (with the help of Zak Johnson) wrote awk scripts to convert between the tinydns-data and BIND8 zonefile formats. The script ended up pretty complete for the tinydns-data->BIND8 conversion. It's converse didn't get very far; there were some severe sanity issues when trying to expand BIND syntax into discrete records. Eventually I got sick of it and just used axfrdns and axfr-get with manual handling for the relatively few cases wherein standards politics got in the way of interoperability. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 04:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D078B16A420 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 04:26:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198E943D55 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2006 04:26:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id k014TvP09479; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:29:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Francisco Reyes" Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:26:32 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Cc: Kristian Vaaf , chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: How to convert BIND to TinyDNS? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 04:26:38 -0000 >-----Original Message----- >From: Francisco Reyes [mailto:lists@stringsutils.com] >Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:02 AM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Kristian Vaaf; chat@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: How to convert BIND to TinyDNS? > > >Ted Mittelstaedt writes: > >> Why are you bothering? TinyDNS isn't the "standard" nameserver that >> everyone and their dog has been using for time out of mind. >The people >> that push it seem to like it because it's simpler > >I would have to disagree with that philosophy. >CCing chat.. since I am not actually adding anything of use to >the original >poster... > > >If that mentality prevailed better software, commercial or open source, >would never gain wide acceptance. Take for instance Postfix. >When Sendmail >was the total undisputed MTA, nobody would have bothered with >it... but it >was simpler than sendmail. > Not true. I am intimately involved in Windows servers and know a lot about Windows, but I still push FreeBSD every chance I get. And Windows is definitely simpler than FreeBSD. >The same applies with TinyDNS. For companies/users that have >simple needs >something easier to use/learn/maintain is a good thing to go for. > I'm not arguing that - but if they are taking over an existing BIND nameserver and they want to change it to tinyDNS - then they need to do it, not try to get the prior admin to do it for them. > >> so I think the onus is on the TinyDNS people to understand what the >> defacto standard is, not the other way around. > >Going back to the Sendmail vs Postfix example. The reason I went with >Postfix years ago was because it was totally different from sendmail. > And I'm sure that you demanded the prior guy that setup Sendmail to do the work building all your Postfix configuration files.....NOT! >If someone is happy with bind, great for them, but to say that >everybody >should be using it I didn't say that. I said: "...think the onus is on the TinyDNS people to understand what the defacto standard is..." Just because they understand it doesen't mean they have to use it. I understand Windows but do you think I use it for servers when I have a choice? >I think it's neither realistic nor healthy >for the Open >Source community. Often times the "Standard" servers do new >features because >some small program somewhere came up with a great idea that the >standard >program didn't have. > Quite true. But, not relevant I am afraid. I was not arguing people shouldn't try to best the defacto standard with their programs. But, before trying to -best- the defacto standard, they need to -understand- the defacto standard. >Lastly.. if we all would go with the "standard" there would be >no FreeBSD, >no open source... just windows. > I didn't say to "go with" the standard. I said to "understand the defacto standard" Big difference. Ted From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 12:27:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5537716A41F for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:27:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MH@kernel32.de) Received: from crivens.unixoid.de (crivens.unixoid.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D0343D60 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:27:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from MH@kernel32.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.unixoid.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B397941BD for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:27:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from crivens.unixoid.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (crivens.unixoid.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22098-08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:27:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.38.0.120] (unknown [212.12.51.89]) by crivens.unixoid.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEF63F2A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:27:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43B91D24.60807@kernel32.de> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 13:31:32 +0100 From: Marian Hettwer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chat-ML FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixoid.de Subject: FAI FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:27:21 -0000 Hi there, did anybody used FAI to do fully automated Installations of FreeBSD? I googled around, but it seems that nobody tried it yet. FAI was written to automatic install large clusters of Debian Servers, but it's also possible to install Solaris for instance. Since I like FAI quite a lot and would prefer FreeBSD anyway, I thought I'd give it a try, if nobody else already did :) More Informations on FAI: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ best regards, Marian PS.: I know that there's a paper on how to do an automated installation of FreeBSD :) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 19:39:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6414D16A41F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:39:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from m21.unixathome.org (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C0F43D67 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:39:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [205.150.199.217]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBFABFB2 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.unixathome.org ([205.150.199.217]) by localhost (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19538-10 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [70.26.229.230]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC41BFAF for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.55.0.99] (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D829B3D3B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 14:38:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:38:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43BBDDF9.27872.2EDC2E08@dan.langille.org> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at unixathome.org Subject: Shmoocon anyone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:39:07 -0000 I know a number of people headed to ShmooCon next week? I know a few tickets are still available via ebay: http://www.shmoocon.org/ cheers -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 12:58:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD1116A41F for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:58:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EFE43D5D for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:57:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so2323804wxc for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 04:57:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Y3EogKTpn6TRAWE+LiExiZFMuVqqCp588I8TntbyzPFkUUJ5E6jl381ZqLirkToGaqWNCaggkBbJA/4x3fnrD57NFW0IEB3Bl83JH055IYOd4arkk1mCgYv9ah0MPiXcSBUbfI7eirSk0ALoNfNrad+wCeTb1vmzSLcwgSdaLBQ= Received: by 10.70.76.6 with SMTP id y6mr1535469wxa; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 04:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.66.9 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 04:57:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:57:57 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Signatures needed, petition for native Flash player. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 12:58:02 -0000 Hello all, I need everyone on the lists to go sign the petition for Macromedia to make a FreeBSD native version of their Flash player. I also need everyone to help spread the word so we can get more sigs. http://www.petitiononline.com/flash4me/petition.html Discussion of this topic should take place on the freebsd-advocacy mailing list, please don't cross-post: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy Thank you.