From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 5 15:51:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F07016A420 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:51:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C0F43D45 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:51:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xnooby@gmail.com) Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so80011uge for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:51:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CHNGm1oFaHtdTm303KUoXXTdq1QWA0eslqb8WyKVt5fEhwLM5x8GJhCWjSYHAIQQccXkav4++7fjr9VyeRNWRQyY8/NLtLAru+vZxX9obl1rdh+JWODlPysOuXuR17PkWzrrR/rwcI610ctDsy/UFmD06/l2KCeUB+Uplf8qZF8= Received: by 10.49.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr978569nfj; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 07:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.216.11 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:51:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:51:43 -0500 From: Xn Nooby To: Robert Atkinson In-Reply-To: <6fb2b4650602041228w7ce48291hfb8604bf28e541ea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5ceb5d550602040425o1955a021x562c1a664b3a2670@mail.gmail.com> <5ceb5d550602041112n468ed7d2r78aa8e333c04efe7@mail.gmail.com> <6fb2b4650602041228w7ce48291hfb8604bf28e541ea@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google is useless nowadays. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:51:49 -0000 OK, the "-cvs" does help. I didn't realize you could filter out things so easily. So from now on, I will just "-junk -garbage" to filter out things that are not relevant. I've heard that if enough people do a search a certain way, Google will start doing it by default. For example, on the latest diggnation episode, they talk about how if you search on one of their names, it brings up a picture - since Google noticed people always followed a text search by clicking on the image links. Maybe they will start to filter out freebsd searches if most of them have the -cvs option. thanks! On 2/4/06, Robert Atkinson wrote: > > Maybe: > > freebsd cloop -inurl:cvs > > or > > freebsd cloop -cvs > > or a derivative of that would help to get rid of what you don't want. > > On 2/4/06, Daniel A. wrote: > > On 2/4/06, Xn Nooby wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 2/4/06, Daniel A. wrote: > > > > That is odd. > > > > My search results are always relevant. > > > > > > > > Maybe you are just not so good at forming a search query? > > > > > > > > > That's possible. How would you word a query to find how people liked > cloop > > > on FreeBSD? Or zisofs on FreeBSD? > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dfreebsd%20cloop > > http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dfreebsd%20zisofs > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 5 16:06:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0726E16A420 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:06:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phreaki@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6933643D45 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:06:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phreaki@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so937515nzo for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:06:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YgV15602cP7VQljPeQvqDSPUSaDJm4uzrUiSCGl2kfbbLnuY4L9YmKXwDRUqN/V3BrxLEclee+z/aoKp+zhvidUJBxtsdlQkbDh1sNHxV5c3kvK1Jd4FOYIYrTYx+g+kwBjCQHJJcGRnsmSgu4w7tIPvJtpbcMxsSrC1aCCrXjc= Received: by 10.64.220.17 with SMTP id s17mr104203qbg; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.53.13 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:06:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6fb2b4650602050806o3ba03884hdd2d0564fc621c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:06:38 -0500 From: Robert Atkinson To: Xn Nooby In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5ceb5d550602040425o1955a021x562c1a664b3a2670@mail.gmail.com> <5ceb5d550602041112n468ed7d2r78aa8e333c04efe7@mail.gmail.com> <6fb2b4650602041228w7ce48291hfb8604bf28e541ea@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Google is useless nowadays. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:06:40 -0000 My favorite has to be: freebsd -cvs cloop site:freebsd.org (Just in case you find a lot of relevent info, it might be nice to see all the cloop pages there) And if you get a bunch of pages there that just list port details: freebsd -cvs cloop site:freebsd.org -inurl:/ports/ hth On 2/5/06, Xn Nooby wrote: > OK, the "-cvs" does help. I didn't realize you could filter out things s= o > easily. > > So from now on, I will just "-junk -garbage" to filter out things that ar= e > not relevant. > > I've heard that if enough people do a search a certain way, Google will > start doing it by default. For example, on the latest diggnation episode= , > they talk about how if you search on one of their names, it brings up a > picture - since Google noticed people always followed a text search by > clicking on the image links. Maybe they will start to filter out freebsd > searches if most of them have the -cvs option. > > thanks! > > > > > On 2/4/06, Robert Atkinson wrote: > > Maybe: > > > > freebsd cloop -inurl:cvs > > > > or > > > > freebsd cloop -cvs > > > > or a derivative of that would help to get rid of what you don't want. > > > > On 2/4/06, Daniel A. wrote: > > > On 2/4/06, Xn Nooby wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/4/06, Daniel A. wrote: > > > > > That is odd. > > > > > My search results are always relevant. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe you are just not so good at forming a search query? > > > > > > > > > > > > That's possible. How would you word a query to find how people lik= ed > cloop > > > > on FreeBSD? Or zisofs on FreeBSD? > > > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dfreebsd%20cloop > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=3Dfreebsd%20zisofs > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 6 02:51:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F5316A420; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 02:51:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from k-choy@ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp) Received: from mir.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp (mir.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp [133.1.12.154]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E8043D45; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 02:51:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from k-choy@ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (serg32.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp [192.168.144.160]) by mir.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp (8.13.3/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k162pDpL059971; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:51:15 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from k-choy@ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp) Message-ID: <43E6B99F.90201@ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:51:11 +0900 From: Choy Kho Yee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Newly developed mailling list search engine needs more testing X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 02:51:17 -0000 Hi, everybody. Firstly, let me introduce myself. I am Choy Kho Yee, an comp. sci. undergraduate student in Osaka University. For my final year project, I have developed a mailing list archive management system called "MLwiki". I have sent mails to some of the mailing lists not so long ago, so that more people can help me test out this system. I have been getting supportive answers from the survey about the system. However, I would like to have more responses about the design and implementation of the system, so here I sent this mail again. I hope that you can spare some of your precious time to help me out with this. If it is proved useful to the community, I would perhaps continue to work on it. More information about MLwiki is available on the main page of this system, which is located at MLwiki http://noanoa.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp/~k-choy/mlwiki-test/mlwiki.php and the survey at The questionnaire http://noanoa.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp/~k-choy/mlwiki-test/mlwiki_questionaire.html Thanks a lot. --- The original mail that I sent not long ago is as follow --- The name MLwiki is made up from the words "Mailing List" and "Wiki". It was developed to overcome some weaknesses of the existing mailing list archiving and searching system and to combine the power of wiki and the huge amount of information in the mailing list archive. With MLwiki, it is hoped that users can get the information they want faster and easier. More information about MLwiki is available on the main page of this system, which is located at MLwiki http://noanoa.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp/~k-choy/mlwiki-test/mlwiki.php The questionnaire http://noanoa.ics.es.osaka-u.ac.jp/~k-choy/mlwiki-test/mlwiki_questionaire.html Please read the introduction on the main page before testing the system as it provides some vital information to fully utilize MLwiki. After testing out the system, I would be glad if you can help me out by filling in the questionnaire about this system, which can be accessed through the above address or from MLwiki's main page. Please understand that MLwiki is in its early stage of development and therefore there might be many bugs hidden in it. Bugs reports are welcome. And please remember that this system is still in an experimental stage, all changes you submit might be lost in the future release. But do feel free to test around. This website will be available until 10 February 2006. Accessibility after that will be re-considered depends on the response and the condition of the system. Thanks a lot. --- Choy Kho Yee E-mail: k-choy at ics dot es dot osaka-u dot ac dot jp From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 6 16:29:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360E116A422 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:29:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF8043D49 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:29:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (ytytml@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16GTccE067273 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:29:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k16GTcjX067272; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:29:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:29:38 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200602061629.k16GTcjX067272@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.0-20051224 ("Ronay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:29:43 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: Google is useless nowadays. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:29:46 -0000 In my experience, Rambler is a very good search engine for the FreeBSD mailing lists: http://freebsd.rambler.ru/ Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. It's trivial to make fun of Microsoft products, but it takes a real man to make them work, and a God to make them do anything useful. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 11 23:35:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC5216A422 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:35:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EBB43D5C for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:35:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1BNYIFv060626 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:34:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <43EE746F.20805@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:34:07 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060127 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Reason #328 why I love FreeBSD... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:35:10 -0000 Reason #328 to use FreeBSD: more time for coffee. `make install clean` = @20 minutes wd: /usr/ports/net/samba3 (incl. MySQL as a dependancy) Windows XP 'format', 120GB, NTFS= @50 minutes `newfs -U /dev/ad3s11` = < 2 minutes (when /dev/ad3 = 320GB EIDE HDD) Sip, sip ... Kevin Kinsey :-) -- Chemist who falls in acid is absorbed in work.