From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 2 01:31:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DFE16A400 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [65.122.236.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AA343D45 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:31:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from Anne (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [65.122.236.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23548; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:31:31 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060401182921.09a9a188@lariat.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:31:22 -0700 To: Scott Long , chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <442EE2D1.4060901@samsco.org> References: <442EE2D1.4060901@samsco.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 2.2.9 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:31:44 -0000 This is obviously an April Fool's Day joke, but come to think of it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a 2.2.9-RELEASE, with all of the major bugs and security holes fixed, for embedded systems. It'd be possible to have a true "Pico" BSD again.... --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 2 03:44:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F4716A420 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 03:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E88A43D46 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 03:44:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-69-246-87-201.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[69.246.87.201]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20060402034434m1100c738he>; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 03:44:34 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:46:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <442EE2D1.4060901@samsco.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20060401182921.09a9a188@lariat.org> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060401182921.09a9a188@lariat.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604012246.19469.slackwarewolf@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 2.2.9 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:44:35 -0000 On Saturday 01 April 2006 8:31 pm, Brett Glass wrote: > This is obviously an April Fool's Day joke, but come to think of it, > it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a 2.2.9-RELEASE, with all of the > major bugs and security holes fixed, for embedded systems. It'd > be possible to have a true "Pico" BSD again.... > > --Brett Glass Don't know about you but it does me damn proud to know an OS and software I use have a good sense of humor :) Then again I may open my mouth to soon, Microsoft may have a front page display today saying a secure version of Windows is possible ;) Anyway happy April Fool's day everyone. I'm having a great day, my Mom loaned me some money so I could buy: Rammstein - Rosenrot Rammstein - Live Aus Berlin And a DVD: The SlaughterHouse Massacre... Awesome so far, it says "More frightening than the Texas Chainsaw Massacre"... I love horror movies what can I say :) Anyway, have a good one everyone. Hast ein guten tag! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 2 16:44:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A828216A401 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:44:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [65.122.236.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD5A43D46 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:44:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from Anne (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [65.122.236.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00424; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:44:31 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060401183945.099cfe10@lariat.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:40:33 -0700 To: ShillerMath , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <20060401174732.4119.qmail@borg.phpwebhosting.com> References: <20060401174732.4119.qmail@borg.phpwebhosting.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: CORRECTION: Your ShillerMath Tidbit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:44:36 -0000 And please note that the message below is still spam and inappropriate for the mailing list. The spam has been reported to the poster's ISP. At 11:18 AM 4/1/2006, Larry Shiller wrote: > Please note that the April 2006 Larry Shiller/ShillerMath tidbit sent > in the past 24 hours should have choice D as the correct answer. We > regret the error. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 3 01:33:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23FF16A420 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1934543D7D for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:32:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO [172.22.134.59]) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 198509; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:32:53 +0400 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Yuri_Grebenkin?=" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: 3 Apr 2006 05:31:56 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Message-ID: Subject: Lost X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:33:03 -0000 Please forgive me for this message. And still... Yesterday was my 'Happy' B= irthday. I planned to celebrate it in other city. My flight was cancelled, = I've broken my leg on ice and can't even stay, I've lost girlfriend and it = was observed by many people. That all in my birthday! Sorry. Damn it. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 3 01:43:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF5416A400 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:43:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sequethin@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BA343D46 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:43:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sequethin@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so693179wxc for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:43:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nghlhgb4j6IKO+yBG2yV6HkRAA8BFNcwoxAkJVibY5nI7Pn/1sD2TfsXoKd3l6xkeUB010lsKvAuYNKCGNit7gXEOrB4iQBnoIBz+cm3w1Pw7OaOfNbJ0aBkPg5NgSUB4ppNX1XYamONPtb16P/UTHwHQFBP5TkfAuMr9DoUi68= Received: by 10.70.118.10 with SMTP id q10mr1395465wxc; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.5? ( [72.225.241.189]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i40sm194285wxd.2006.04.02.18.43.08; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95D91EE9-5CB1-4EFA-B31F-08F4E4317AE6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Hernandez Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:43:05 -0400 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.3) Subject: Re: Lost X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:43:09 -0000 On Apr 2, 2006, at 10:31 PM, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: > Please forgive me for this message. And still... Yesterday was my > 'Happy' Birthday. I planned to celebrate it in other city. My > flight was cancelled, I've broken my leg on ice and can't even > stay, I've lost girlfriend and it was observed by many people. That > all in my birthday! Sorry. Damn it. hey just think... no one can take freebsd from you! ;) and you can use it with a broken leg! hope you recover soon... Mike From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 3 04:28:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0530716A422 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:28:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D5843D46 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:27:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd4mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr5so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.50]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IX40099BPQMSU00@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:27:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd4mr5so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IX400M4APQM1320@pd4mr5so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:27:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx.cydem.org ([24.87.27.3]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IX40097VPQMXDA0@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:27:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:27:57 -0800 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: <200604012225.38947.danny@ricin.com> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <200604022127.57975.soralx@cydem.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <20060401032818.27086.qmail@borg.phpwebhosting.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060331230224.098779f8@lariat.org> <200604012225.38947.danny@ricin.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 Subject: Re: Your ShillerMath Tidbit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:28:00 -0000 > > At 02:12 PM 3/31/2006, Larry Shiller wrote: > > > ShillerMath Tidbits: Getting out of the starting gate [...] > On Saturday 01 April 2006 08:04, Brett Glass wrote: > > Why is this spam on the list? > > > > Also, it's worth noting that the author gives the wrong answer to his > > sample SAT question below. The only correct answer is 4 (D), not 5 (E). > > I wouldn't pay $29.95 for a book from an author who couldn't give the > > correct answer to his own sample problem! Maybe this was just a test -- whether anyone reads spam or not... :/ > > --Brett > > It probably requires Shiller transformations to be applied :) :) Timestamp: 0x4430A3BB [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 3 04:56:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901A716A400 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFC643D49 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:56:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7765C19F2C; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4430AAE0.5030700@bitfreak.org> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:56:00 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soralx@cydem.org References: <20060401032818.27086.qmail@borg.phpwebhosting.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060331230224.098779f8@lariat.org> <200604012225.38947.danny@ricin.com> <200604022127.57975.soralx@cydem.org> In-Reply-To: <200604022127.57975.soralx@cydem.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Your ShillerMath Tidbit X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:56:00 -0000 soralx@cydem.org wrote: > > Maybe this was just a test -- whether anyone reads spam or not... :/ I do when replies comes from people on my filter's learning whitelist. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 3 08:08:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504CB16A400 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:08:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A9543D45 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:08:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (dqfmhm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k33887Qd035979 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:08:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k33887vp035978; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:08:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:08:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200604030808.k33887vp035978@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060401182921.09a9a188@lariat.org> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.0-20051224 ("Ronay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:08:13 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 2.2.9 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:08:23 -0000 Brett Glass wrote: > This is obviously an April Fool's Day joke, but come to think of it, > it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a 2.2.9-RELEASE, with all of the > major bugs and security holes fixed, for embedded systems. It'd > be possible to have a true "Pico" BSD again.... FWIW, 2.2-STABLE is still installed on an old notebook of mine, which has a 486SX-25 processor, 3.5 MB RAM and 120 MB harddisk (that's MB, not GB). It even stops paging a few seconds after the login prompt appears, and it's perfectly usable for typing text on a trip or as an emergency serial console. It's not quite as usable with FreeBSD 3.x or any later version of FreeBSD. I'm not going to update to 2.2.9-Release, though. :-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. 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References 1. http://www.wellsfargo.com/ 2. http://www.wellsfargo.com/auxiliary_access/aa_talkatmloc.jhtml 3. file://localhost/tmp/tmpY50kz5.html#skip 4. http://uruchat.org/wellsfargo06/update-wells-info/ 5. http://www.wellsfargo.com/about/about.jhtml 6. http://www.wellsfargo.com/employment 7. http://www.wellsfargo.com/privacy_security/email_fraud/report.jhtml 8. http://www.wellsfargo.com/privacy_security/index.jhtml 9. http://www.wellsfargo.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 4 03:52:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0748816A401 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:52:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58B243D53 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:52:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-69-246-87-201.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[69.246.87.201]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20060404035223m13003tcvae>; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:52:23 +0000 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:54:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <95D91EE9-5CB1-4EFA-B31F-08F4E4317AE6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <95D91EE9-5CB1-4EFA-B31F-08F4E4317AE6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604032354.11928.slackwarewolf@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Lost X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:52:25 -0000 On Sunday 02 April 2006 9:43 pm, Michael Hernandez wrote: > On Apr 2, 2006, at 10:31 PM, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: > > Please forgive me for this message. And still... Yesterday was my > > 'Happy' Birthday. I planned to celebrate it in other city. My > > flight was cancelled, I've broken my leg on ice and can't even > > stay, I've lost girlfriend and it was observed by many people. That > > all in my birthday! Sorry. Damn it. Lol sounds like a great Birthday to me: You don't have a GF, you can tell strippers it's your Bday. You broke you leg, tell the Dr it hurts like hell and ask for some Vicodin. Your flight was cancelled but you can fly with the pain killers. What's the problem? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 4 04:56:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FDF16A400 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 04:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DCB343D46 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 04:56:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 1393 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 04:56:55 -0000 Received: from maxwell6.pacific.net.sg (203.120.90.212) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 04:56:55 -0000 Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([210.24.122.26]) by maxwell6.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20060404045653.VGMD1180.maxwell6.pacific.net.sg@[192.168.0.107]>; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 12:56:53 +0800 Message-ID: <4431FC17.10401@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:54:47 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060112) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yuri Grebenkin References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lost X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:56:59 -0000 Hi, Yuri Grebenkin wrote: > Please forgive me for this message. And still... Yesterday was my 'Happy' Birthday. I planned to celebrate it in other city. My flight was cancelled, I've broken my leg on ice and can't even stay, I've lost girlfriend and it was observed by many people. That all in my birthday! Sorry. Damn it. nothing is wrong as long as your FreeBSD installation is still up and running. The rest is just an unlucky combination of thing which happen to people during their life. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 4 22:40:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8240D16A401 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:40:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8A243D46 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:40:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k34MdrLv073487 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:40:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:39:43 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060127 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: LOCALE, Ltd.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:40:45 -0000 I'd been talking on a forum with a Linux database guy, and he mentioned that on the PostGres lists, people would "love to use *BSD" but the locale support is limited. Well, sure 'nough, `locale -a | wc -l` seems to be in the mid-200s here, and his systems have over 550 locales. I've probably not RTFM'ed enough, but I'm just looking for a short answer. What does FreeBSD need to have more locales*? I'm assuming the answer is, more people in more locations willing to take the time to RTFM and submit patches to $x team..... Discussion? Linkage? Slaps to the head? Kevin Kinsey * and, of course, an obvious counter question: *does* FreeBSD need to have more LOCALES?" -- Unprovided with original learning, unformed in the habits of thinking, unskilled in the arts of composition, I resolved to write a book. -- Edward Gibbon From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 4 23:26:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4973E16A400 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:26:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C581843D4C for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:26:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so1021975wxc for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ku82tSFN61OqQPMJpua4JCThnJkM9HqqUnLe8x+GY/otB9Omdzo/hvxf+qVwg+QUqmlgpnE0XrArllHK0zMYVdBloYfeEil4p8VdOkgrFZKTvUjb9gBVJQB+4553E4nNOAgdPcdce8CPBiez77CCHpV3dqFoUDwBLLPFNRQp5Vw= Received: by 10.70.133.19 with SMTP id g19mr53673wxd; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.57.15 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:26:40 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Kevin Kinsey" In-Reply-To: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LOCALE, Ltd.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:26:41 -0000 On 4/4/06, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > I'd been talking on a forum with a Linux database guy, > and he mentioned that on the PostGres lists, people > would "love to use *BSD" but the locale support is limited. > > Well, sure 'nough, `locale -a | wc -l` seems to be in the > mid-200s here, and his systems have over 550 locales. > > I've probably not RTFM'ed enough, but I'm just looking > for a short answer. What does FreeBSD need to have > more locales*? I'm assuming the answer is, more people > in more locations willing to take the time to RTFM and > submit patches to $x team..... > > Discussion? Linkage? Slaps to the head? > > Kevin Kinsey > > > * and, of course, an obvious counter question: *does* FreeBSD > need to have more LOCALES?" I would not think that it could hurt. But I tend to think that even spurious locales would be sexy to have. -- -- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 5 00:26:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0921E16A400 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from green.dls.net (green.dls.net [209.242.20.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A5B43D58 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:26:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from emailrob.com (216-145-235-227.rev.dls.net [216.145.235.227]) by green.dls.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE30D4125B6 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:26:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <443300C7.4030703@emailrob.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:27:03 +0100 From: rob_spellberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LOCALE, Ltd.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:26:47 -0000 illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 4/4/06, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > >>I'd been talking on a forum with a Linux database guy, >>and he mentioned that on the PostGres lists, people >>would "love to use *BSD" but the locale support is limited. >> >>Well, sure 'nough, `locale -a | wc -l` seems to be in the >>mid-200s here, and his systems have over 550 locales. >> >>I've probably not RTFM'ed enough, but I'm just looking >>for a short answer. What does FreeBSD need to have >>more locales*? I'm assuming the answer is, more people >>in more locations willing to take the time to RTFM and >>submit patches to $x team..... >> >>Discussion? Linkage? Slaps to the head? >> >>Kevin Kinsey >> >> >>* and, of course, an obvious counter question: *does* FreeBSD >>need to have more LOCALES?" > > > I would not think that it could hurt. > But I tend to think that even spurious > locales would be sexy to have. sexy locales never hurt, but locale bloat is distinctly spurious. it seems that not a week goes by that i don't thank the one who is "so big" [ as michael palin described the one in "the meaning of life" ] for being able to get away with the original 7-bit ascii. well, most of the time. [ brief pause while i look something up. ] i just checked the american radio relay league's dxcc list. http://www.arrl.org/awards/dxcc/ there aren't 400 "countries" even on their list and they're pushing the envelope. i would like to think that making that statement was a polite way to keep using whatever they are accustomed to using [ or accustomed to selling ? ]. otherwise, i would be tempted to think it's sheer snobbery and i don't want to do that without knowing more about the situation. if something is really worth having, the one who really wants it will do the work required to really acquire it. rob From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 5 00:38:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81CB16A422 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:38:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from green.dls.net (green.dls.net [209.242.20.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9319443D45 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:38:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from emailrob.com (216-145-235-227.rev.dls.net [216.145.235.227]) by green.dls.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D1741231A for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:38:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44330398.4080601@emailrob.com> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:39:04 +0100 From: rob_spellberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> <443300C7.4030703@emailrob.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LOCALE, Ltd.? [ very short addendum ] X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:38:42 -0000 rob_spellberg wrote: [ snip ] > [ brief pause while i look something up. ] > > i just checked the american radio relay league's dxcc list. > > http://www.arrl.org/awards/dxcc/ > > there aren't 400 "countries" even on their list and they're pushing the envelope. [ snip ] fwiw, "penguin island" has been deleted [ it's near the bottom of the plaintext list, just above the notes ]. let's not tell the linux crowd. rob From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 5 00:40:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C4216A426 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:40:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDCD43D45 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:40:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5F5824539; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:39:55 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51512-07; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:40:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-222-82-85.eastlink.ca [24.222.82.85]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F3A824535; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:39:54 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7F9B63BD48; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:40:07 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7980A3B397; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:40:07 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:40:07 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: rob_spellberg In-Reply-To: <443300C7.4030703@emailrob.com> Message-ID: <20060404213917.X947@ganymede.hub.org> References: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> <443300C7.4030703@emailrob.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LOCALE, Ltd.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:40:08 -0000 On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, rob_spellberg wrote: > illoai@gmail.com wrote: >> On 4/4/06, Kevin Kinsey wrote: >> >>> I'd been talking on a forum with a Linux database guy, >>> and he mentioned that on the PostGres lists, people >>> would "love to use *BSD" but the locale support is limited. >>> >>> Well, sure 'nough, `locale -a | wc -l` seems to be in the >>> mid-200s here, and his systems have over 550 locales. >>> >>> I've probably not RTFM'ed enough, but I'm just looking >>> for a short answer. What does FreeBSD need to have >>> more locales*? I'm assuming the answer is, more people >>> in more locations willing to take the time to RTFM and >>> submit patches to $x team..... >>> >>> Discussion? Linkage? Slaps to the head? >>> >>> Kevin Kinsey >>> >>> >>> * and, of course, an obvious counter question: *does* FreeBSD >>> need to have more LOCALES?" >> >> >> I would not think that it could hurt. >> But I tend to think that even spurious >> locales would be sexy to have. > > > sexy locales never hurt, but locale bloat is distinctly spurious. The last I checked, the reason why PostgreSQL implimented UNICODE support was to avoid having to add every locale under the sun ... is there something UNICODE *doesn't* handle? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 5 00:55:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5395816A422 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:55:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9495543D53 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:55:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so1031577wxc for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:55:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YufVRRwaTMkx0TgR+hPyieN2usjSEy+TVnzaPCdsGglBw9B5KUZusVRvGR55wuIYFmk53i/zfNaati4aRjBJnMh/hv/YlHxgza7sSXOQ3FauxJVOf7Ffp1juB80PrBTMXJl4anJKlbRKK+wggHtekVEG4iV3+h0x4q7RCwv7Vj8= Received: by 10.70.7.14 with SMTP id 14mr3844117wxg; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.57.15 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:55:53 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <20060404213917.X947@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> <443300C7.4030703@emailrob.com> <20060404213917.X947@ganymede.hub.org> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LOCALE, Ltd.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:55:55 -0000 On 4/4/06, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > is there > something UNICODE *doesn't* handle? > Transactional ethics. A complete list of verbs implementing second aorist and middle pluperfect. A matrix of interactions between local(e) water supplies and micro-organism grown in various sourdough starters. Stress. Attacks ad hominum. Attacks ad machinum. Highly compact text manipulation on a large scale. -- -- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 5 06:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C7716A401 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0094A43D5A for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:54:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (bkvenm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k356sX5A035543 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:54:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k356sXKM035542; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:54:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:54:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200604050654.k356sXKM035542@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4432F5AF.4030201@daleco.biz> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.0-20051224 ("Ronay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:54:39 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: LOCALE, Ltd.? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:54:42 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > I'd been talking on a forum with a Linux database guy, > and he mentioned that on the PostGres lists, people > would "love to use *BSD" but the locale support is limited. > > Well, sure 'nough, `locale -a | wc -l` seems to be in the > mid-200s here, and his systems have over 550 locales. I think one of the main problems is that FreeBSD's support for multi-byte character sets such as UTF-8 is weak, to say the least. For example, syscons doesn't support it at all, neither many programs in the base system. The Linux folks really seem to be ahead in this regard. By the way, as for the argument of "400 countries" ... The number of locales doesn't have anything to do with the number of countries. For example, Switzerland requires at least three different locales (for Swiss German, Swiss French and Swiss Italian language). Furthermore you might need different character encodings (ISO8859-1, ISO8859-8, UTF-8 or even less common ones such as UTF-16), that'll double or triple the locales. And, no, "Foobar here" and "Foobar there" don't need to be the same -- for example, Austrian German has some different month names from German German. Yeah, sounds funny, but that's how the world is. I guess matters are even more complicated for our friends in the Asian areas. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. (On the statement print "42 monkeys" + "1 snake":) By the way, both perl and Python get this wrong. Perl gives 43 and Python gives "42 monkeys1 snake", when the answer is clearly "41 monkeys and 1 fat snake". -- Jim Fulton From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 12:20:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0318D16A423 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:20:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ldrada@gmail.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5F243D58 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:20:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ldrada@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m18so85976nfc for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:20:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=t7uhwMd6XVApEFwzQrbo6XD4vmpVIjWxpTyFQUZwzgGrBxvQe4t/l8A73JAF5V2SoTWwAU7wx1ZUaHChvQ+ztVW6oeZrFBvay0e4+G8//gJCkbnu0HdJxEK7pgO7hdN2MPEonpzrEbLHHgPtslwyhwy8/tFeIA1duGu+LiNa57k= Received: by 10.49.36.8 with SMTP id o8mr38751nfj; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.8 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5ceb5d550604060520t23d9fabaifcc1849cd1fdbeee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:20:52 +0200 From: "Daniel A." To: chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Slow posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:20:56 -0000 Is there any reason why my posts to freebsd-questions are so slow about getting to the list? It's like a curse. I never start a new thread on the questions list unless I have an urgent and pressuring problem, but that is exactly the only time when my emails to the list are slow as hell about getting through. Manual review of gmail senders? Mail looked like spam? Anyone? =3D/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 16:07:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BF816ABDA for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC2643F84 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:06:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s15so125794wxc for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:06:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BUrraEY7njgQ2/vCAzxHN3jaxHKCm47t29tvM5p4dEHCH0dXuepeeXCQBje9OxJK47A1tbxjku4uY9wfG7P8Vd3EsHh1BlvuWGk67cM9SECzJ3y5DXe91kbJKEzrbTDh6KfWyi2gIj6nnsh75/QvHkOdw0HcWiEJPbazBKp/ask= Received: by 10.70.24.5 with SMTP id 5mr1276189wxx; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.57.15 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:06:50 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Daniel A." In-Reply-To: <5ceb5d550604060520t23d9fabaifcc1849cd1fdbeee@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5ceb5d550604060520t23d9fabaifcc1849cd1fdbeee@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:07:26 -0000 On 4/6/06, Daniel A. wrote: > Is there any reason why my posts to freebsd-questions are so slow > about getting to the list? >From your header: To: chat@freebsd.org Which should be freebsd-chat@freebsd.org* I'm not savvy on the backend of it, but at the front, sending to the list without the "freebsd-" prepended makes it go through a ton** slower. *I'm suggesting that you're doing the same thing on freebsd-questions@freebsd.org **tonne -- -- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 17:46:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F1616A604 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:46:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ldrada@gmail.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CB6451B0 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:48:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ldrada@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m18so132244nfc for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PdzBo8mT3RPeTvwRGOM9ff8Lce5dvCnhp8U0q95/lKciYX/E9SaCpvfeyUYE9I+Bj+5XKJQ6kgi4ZqJQpgXAuj+SPhGSg6RENaB81nezZn9ipn6wZj4dWNtEkGKqoPhRDLgs5QJ0rz3muLhtP74L6t4d5TRcPBSwbECxRi8HYjI= Received: by 10.48.216.15 with SMTP id o15mr721521nfg; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.8 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5ceb5d550604060948p53feaaf5jc2fd71a91f2c527@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:48:56 +0200 From: "Daniel A." To: "illoai@gmail.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5ceb5d550604060520t23d9fabaifcc1849cd1fdbeee@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:46:34 -0000 On 4/6/06, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 4/6/06, Daniel A. wrote: > > Is there any reason why my posts to freebsd-questions are so slow > > about getting to the list? > > From your header: > To: chat@freebsd.org > > Which should be freebsd-chat@freebsd.org* > > I'm not savvy on the backend of it, but at the > front, sending to the list without the "freebsd-" > prepended makes it go through a ton** slower. > > > *I'm suggesting that you're doing the same thing > on freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > **tonne > > -- > -- > I usually do type the full list email address. Ommitted this time because I was frustrated. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 20:05:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF9A16A406 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:05:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mail.localelinks.com (web.localelinks.com [64.39.75.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1931343D76 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:05:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (adsl-072-148-013-213.sip.jan.bellsouth.net [72.148.13.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.localelinks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA95168; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:05:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 468ED61C52; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:05:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:05:35 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: "illoai@gmail.com" Message-ID: <20060406200535.GK41551@over-yonder.net> References: <5ceb5d550604060520t23d9fabaifcc1849cd1fdbeee@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11-fullermd.3 Cc: "Daniel A." , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:05:46 -0000 On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 11:06:50AM -0500 I heard the voice of illoai@gmail.com, and lo! it spake thus: > > >From your header: > To: chat@freebsd.org > > Which should be freebsd-chat@freebsd.org* I can't think of any particularly good reason it would make a lick of difference. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 23:03:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8475916A400 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:03:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C1C43D69 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:03:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2F61A4D8C; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 23566516E3; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:03:19 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Daniel A." Message-ID: <20060406230318.GA67971@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <5ceb5d550604060520t23d9fabaifcc1849cd1fdbeee@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5ceb5d550604060520t23d9fabaifcc1849cd1fdbeee@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slow posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:03:26 -0000 --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 02:20:52PM +0200, Daniel A. wrote: > Is there any reason why my posts to freebsd-questions are so slow > about getting to the list? The mail server was down for a few hours today. Kris --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFENZ42Wry0BWjoQKURAonTAJ9LdgzC+dF15ubxCSmq6HIt4VRiBACgqj2E bBhj5wr7NhIVm/qsaYAHIYA= =U6ve -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 7 17:43:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B4216A404 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245C843D4C for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:43:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E781A4D93; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6154A517D2; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:43:33 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20060407174333.GA2150@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <443600DF.10602@samsco.org> <20060407165521.8B78C45046@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060407165521.8B78C45046@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 2.2.9 Released X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:43:34 -0000 --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 09:55:21AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Btw, Ruslan Ermilov was the creative force behind all of this, he=20 > > deserves 99% of the credit. >=20 > While I'm sure Ruslan was involved, I suspect that the real credit > belongs to Sniffy The Wonder Cat. I know that my cat, Sam, has had input > on a lot of my work, but his code seems even less well structured than > mine and is very poorly formatted. Clearly Sniffy is much better at it. Your cat is just writing code in Malbolge. Kris --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFENqTEWry0BWjoQKURAqyKAKDv6iTHpwaGz3zkQNLbG6xyB91cnQCg5MJC htXPH4qnpHf652r8PNDsFNw= =yEDI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7--