From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 4 00:36:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAA616A41F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDAB43D48 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:36:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A136290C6B; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:36:26 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04329-02; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:36:31 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-7-151-244.eastlink.ca [71.7.151.244]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9077290C1E; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:36:25 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7AF64603D5; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:36:35 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795445F3C5; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:36:35 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:36:35 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Nikolas Britton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060603213310.R1114@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060602145855.GA1481@scienceclue.ath.cx> <44805471.1060009@fer.hr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Mathieu Prevot , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Ivan Voras Subject: Re: is FreeBSD popularity decreasing ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:36:33 -0000 I think its the case with pretty much anything: http://www.google.com/trends?q=postgresql%2Cmysql%2Coracle&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all they are all declining in searches ... could it be that ppl are getting more intelligent about their searches themselves, requiring less searches to get to the information that they are looking for? On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 6/2/06, Ivan Voras wrote: >> Mathieu Prevot wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > it seems that google searches about freebsd are decreasing slowly since >> months: >> > >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=freebsd%2C+ubuntu%2C+debian%2C+redhat&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all >> >> Fortunately, both Linux and Windows are also declining in popularity :) >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=linux%2C+windows&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all >> > > Maybe it's a declining in the popularity of google? Less people using > google to search should equal a decline in search volume, look at > this: > http://www.google.com/trends?q=msn%2C+yahoo&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all > > -- > BSD Podcasts @: > http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ > http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 4 03:09:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBDE16A41F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from mail07.powweb.com (mail07.powweb.com [66.152.97.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3D143D48 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:09:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.velox@vvelox.net) Received: from vixen42.vulpes (24-119-225-24.cpe.cableone.net [24.119.225.24]) by mail07.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9724A14DA73 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:11:36 -0500 From: Vulpes Velox To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060603221136.386c64de@vixen42.vulpes> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.2.0 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: dumb terminal question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:09:24 -0000 I am curious, has any one ever seen any small LCD serial dumb terminals that can easily be folded up and fit in a pocket? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 4 03:38:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB45E16A482 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:38:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cleyon@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CDF43D46 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:38:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cleyon@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m51so1030344pye for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:38:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TCt7VunUuuDMv+5hk+1Ovlr78gR7FVG58IwJ8QpNMbKguhPX6YFCGIiY1eqryKPMzXEU4dDfPoPp1Ec9CS7IKYbbuWLoXaKytVFMcZlYvlhALDlk1aE1tLdQ6aUtYVS/lwUDzsnJPWodApnfuqfqlBqUGaN+7AeNr97QVdcD7io= Received: by 10.35.31.14 with SMTP id i14mr4456850pyj; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.80.13 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5ea706d0606032031y3c9d511btb17c7e16a0063053@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:31:10 -0400 From: "Chris Leyon" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20060603221136.386c64de@vixen42.vulpes> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603221136.386c64de@vixen42.vulpes> Subject: Re: dumb terminal question X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:38:19 -0000 On 6/3/06, Vulpes Velox wrote: > I am curious, has any one ever seen any small LCD serial dumb > terminals that can easily be folded up and fit in a pocket? HP 100/200 LX definitely, but you'll need the special serial cable. A Toshiba Libretto may also fit the bill. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 4 04:09:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2B916A41F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D22043D49 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:09:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i31so559232wxd for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:09:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RTshusLaduNhM9UzvMqHoLd6Xy8po1mT4ClaBdMj8o+w7qNb00J+xEwRRPyrVicnJG9ya8Y53yXOn4dHtr19h+5SYlM9rq7PzBazgmBTlOhl+Xl5gRgEwlkrC0zrXjaaC5U/0M5T2ZdoNvV1SCnjHuAIaYQB/7volYRb90dFLzg= Received: by 10.70.8.2 with SMTP id 2mr1356052wxh; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.57.15 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:09:57 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Mathieu Prevot" In-Reply-To: <20060602145855.GA1481@scienceclue.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060602145855.GA1481@scienceclue.ath.cx> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is FreeBSD popularity decreasing ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:09:58 -0000 On 6/2/06, Mathieu Prevot flod: > Hello, The generally linear downward trend in FreeBSD use since the advent of the "*BSD is dying" troll on slashdot nearly a decade ago conclusively demostrates that FreeBSD currently has a negative number of users. Linus Torvalds was accused of having been noted to have pointedly averred: "Dica nworb eht morf yawa deyats evah dluohs I. Em kcuf!" -- -- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 4 04:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE7616A4D1 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:27:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.bitfreak.org (mail.bitfreak.org [65.75.198.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA32D43D46 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:27:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren.pilgrim@bitfreak.org) Received: from [10.242.169.24] (c-67-171-135-169.hsd1.or.comcast.net [67.171.135.169]) by mail.bitfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626A717594; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44826114.8050002@bitfreak.org> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:27:00 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: illoai@gmail.com References: <20060602145855.GA1481@scienceclue.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is FreeBSD popularity decreasing ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:27:06 -0000 illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 6/2/06, Mathieu Prevot flod: >> Hello, > > The generally linear downward trend in FreeBSD > use since the advent of the "*BSD is dying" troll > on slashdot nearly a decade ago conclusively > demostrates that FreeBSD currently has a negative > number of users. It's a side effect of the modern computing culture. The number of users complaining about instability, security holes and API stability is a direct measure of the size of the userbase. There aren't any multi-million dollar businesses doing nothing but selling third-party utility development and technical support for FreeBSD, so it must obviously be dead, dying or not in use. :) -- Darren Pilgrim From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 4 07:35:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF9416A41F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679EC43D46 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017592087; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:35:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: none X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736EB2083; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:35:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3BA1DB879; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:35:47 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Allen References: <447E9540.2020003@io.dk> <200606011357.11990.aren.tyr@gawab.com> <447F0062.8060302@daleco.biz> <20060601144317.47402556@hydrocodone.org> <867j3z3om6.fsf@xps.des.no> <20060603093810.601366af@hydrocodone.org> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:35:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060603093810.601366af@hydrocodone.org> (slackwarewolf@comcast.net's message of "Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:38:10 -0400") Message-ID: <86odx9pe3w.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Unix Haters Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0000 Allen writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > > Allen writes: > > > Technically FreeBSD has more right than SCO UNIX to be called UNIX > > No. Unlike FreeBSD, SCO UnixWare is a direct descendent of the > > original AT&T Unix. > So is / was Free BSD. That's why AT&T sued. It's not quite that simple. Even at the time of the lawsuit, BSD had very little AT&T code in it, and the lawsuit was sparked primarily by BSDI's unauthorized use of the Unix trademark. Read this: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html BTW, FreeBSD is spelled in one word, not two. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 4 15:40:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96B716AA8A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marko@freebsd.org) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4778743D68 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:40:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marko@freebsd.org) Received: from [80.229.231.20] (helo=[192.168.1.4]) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FmuiK-0005IO-Tp for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:40:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4482FEDE.3070600@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:40:14 +0100 From: Mark Ovens User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <447F2695.40603@freebsd.org> <447F2C3B.3010709@freebsd.org> <20060602160707.059b3c1c.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> <200606030050.01643.kruptos@mlinux.org> <20060603094327.1d4886eb@hydrocodone.org> In-Reply-To: <20060603094327.1d4886eb@hydrocodone.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Record Uptimes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:40:38 -0000 Allen wrote: > Anyway did no one think of bringing this up?: > > http://uptime.netcraft.net/up/today/top.avg.html > > Almost every box here is BSD, Free BSD, or Linux. And if you know a > good one with major uptime, you can check for it and eventually it > gets added. > > The first 3 entries on that page: Rank OS Server Netblock Owner 1 BSD/OS Microsoft-IIS/5.0 NEC Soft,Ltd. 2 BSD/OS Microsoft-IIS/6.0 NEC Soft,Ltd. 3 BSD/OS Microsoft-IIS/5.0 NEC Soft,Ltd. IIS running on BSD/OS????? Mark From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 4 15:46:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CADC16ABE1; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakob@grimstveit.no) Received: from mail.hjemme.no (mail.hjemme.no [62.97.193.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B0143D55; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:45:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jakob@grimstveit.no) Received: from grimstveit.no (79.62-97-240.bkkb.no [62.97.240.79]) by mail.hjemme.no (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k54FjqAV025890; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:55 +0200 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:52 +0200 From: Jakob Breivik Grimstveit To: Mark Ovens Message-ID: <20060604174552.7f7fe790@corona.grimstveit.no> In-Reply-To: <4482FEDE.3070600@freebsd.org> References: <447F2695.40603@freebsd.org> <447F2C3B.3010709@freebsd.org> <20060602160707.059b3c1c.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> <200606030050.01643.kruptos@mlinux.org> <20060603094327.1d4886eb@hydrocodone.org> <4482FEDE.3070600@freebsd.org> Organization: BitWise Computing X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.2.0 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p7 Face: 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 User-Agent: Sylpheed-Claws 2.1.0 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Record Uptimes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:46:14 -0000 Mark Ovens wrote on Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:40: > The first 3 entries on that page: >=20 > Rank OS Server Netblock Owner > 1 BSD/OS Microsoft-IIS/5.0 NEC Soft,Ltd. > 2 BSD/OS Microsoft-IIS/6.0 NEC Soft,Ltd. > 3 BSD/OS Microsoft-IIS/5.0 NEC Soft,Ltd. >=20 > IIS running on BSD/OS????? =46rom : :: Why do you report impossible operating system/server combinations ? Webservers that operate behind a caching system, load balancer, reverse pro= xy server or a firewall may sometimes report the operating system of the intermediate machine. Hence reports of 'Microsoft/IIS on Linux' may indicate that either the web server is behind a Linux server that is acting as a reverse proxy, or has configured the Akamai caching system such that the first request to the site goes to one of Akamai's servers [which run Linux], or as in the case of www.walmart.com has been configured to send a misleadi= ng signature.=20 --=20 Jakob Breivik Grimstveit, , 48298152 Bes=F8k Newsergalleriet: "Death is nature's way of saying `Howdy'". From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 5 03:38:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD6516A623 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 03:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84F043D46 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 03:38:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEF0131E05; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:08:21 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFC1286F5A; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:08:21 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:08:21 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20060605033821.GH50579@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <447E9540.2020003@io.dk> <200606011357.11990.aren.tyr@gawab.com> <447F0062.8060302@daleco.biz> <20060601144317.47402556@hydrocodone.org> <867j3z3om6.fsf@xps.des.no> <20060603093810.601366af@hydrocodone.org> <86odx9pe3w.fsf@dwp.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PWfwoUCx3AFJRUBq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86odx9pe3w.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 VoIP: sip:0871270137@sip.internode.on.net WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: Allen , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: The Real UNIX? (was: The Unix Haters Handbook) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:38:25 -0000 --PWfwoUCx3AFJRUBq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, 4 June 2006 at 9:35:47 +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > Allen writes: >> Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: >>> Allen writes: >>>> Technically FreeBSD has more right than SCO UNIX to be called UNIX >>> No. Unlike FreeBSD, SCO UnixWare is a direct descendent of the >>> original AT&T Unix. >> >> So is / was Free BSD. That's why AT&T sued. > > It's not quite that simple. Even at the time of the lawsuit, BSD had > very little AT&T code in it, and the lawsuit was sparked primarily by > BSDI's unauthorized use of the Unix trademark. Read this: > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html There's a difference between technical and commercial rights. Allen was referring to the technical issues. How much code is in the source base is one issue, but I don't know if I'd call it technical. During the attack on IBM, SCO accidentally revealed that the base System V malloc is still the same as the Seventh Edition malloc (something so horrible that BSD rewrote it decades ago, and Linux people threw it out for ugliness without knowing the origin). But is that the technical aspect we mean? Throughout the 1980s System V borrowed heavily from 4.[23]BSD. The Eighth Edition of Research UNIX was derived from 4.1cBSD. From that perspective, I'd really be inclined to think that BSD has more claim to be the real UNIX than Missed'em V has. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --PWfwoUCx3AFJRUBq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEg6ctIubykFB6QiMRAsCYAJ9kz7nsvjWkwPq2r84SxWPC/osLOACePDso nPH56y1G/sPqHYOn9g8zxWw= =6l7g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PWfwoUCx3AFJRUBq-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 5 04:14:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0FD16A518 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:14:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335D243D48 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:14:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so942438nzf for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:14:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cf/B2i6QX9QyeYwRGPBrN9qZiVrutjxNb7v+8/jlIf+HOGHvIiCtDGOCjVgYaCf4GQgg9pbzLZIY96150R9NaXTzmLY36cWEqzAv3khG+zRCUOo7m7Cx9IQTuIQTxexeW6hprevjLDA1HQ1NIcm15hmkMOxCDc8XmwPe9IUZdXY= Received: by 10.36.19.13 with SMTP id 13mr5636625nzs; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.104.17 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:14:13 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" In-Reply-To: <20060605033821.GH50579@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <447E9540.2020003@io.dk> <200606011357.11990.aren.tyr@gawab.com> <447F0062.8060302@daleco.biz> <20060601144317.47402556@hydrocodone.org> <867j3z3om6.fsf@xps.des.no> <20060603093810.601366af@hydrocodone.org> <86odx9pe3w.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20060605033821.GH50579@wantadilla.lemis.com> Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Allen , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Real UNIX? (was: The Unix Haters Handbook) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 04:14:15 -0000 On 6/4/06, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 4 June 2006 at 9:35:47 +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > > Allen writes: > >> Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: > >>> Allen writes: > >>>> Technically FreeBSD has more right than SCO UNIX to be called UNIX > >>> No. Unlike FreeBSD, SCO UnixWare is a direct descendent of the > >>> original AT&T Unix. > >> > >> So is / was Free BSD. That's why AT&T sued. > > > > It's not quite that simple. Even at the time of the lawsuit, BSD had > > very little AT&T code in it, and the lawsuit was sparked primarily by > > BSDI's unauthorized use of the Unix trademark. Read this: > > > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html > > There's a difference between technical and commercial rights. Allen > was referring to the technical issues. > > How much code is in the source base is one issue, but I don't know if > I'd call it technical. During the attack on IBM, SCO accidentally > revealed that the base System V malloc is still the same as the > Seventh Edition malloc (something so horrible that BSD rewrote it > decades ago, and Linux people threw it out for ugliness without > knowing the origin). > > But is that the technical aspect we mean? Throughout the 1980s System > V borrowed heavily from 4.[23]BSD. The Eighth Edition of Research > UNIX was derived from 4.1cBSD. From that perspective, I'd really be > inclined to think that BSD has more claim to be the real UNIX than > Missed'em V has. > How much would it take to get The Open Group to re-certify FreeBSD as UNIX and what would it take for FreeBSD to meet the requirements for UNIX certification, and would it be beneficial to FreeBSD if this happened? --=20 BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 5 04:23:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D0716A50B for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43ABA43D46 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:23:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08972131E06; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:53:46 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF8586F5A; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:53:45 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:53:45 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Nikolas Britton Message-ID: <20060605042345.GK50579@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <447E9540.2020003@io.dk> <200606011357.11990.aren.tyr@gawab.com> <447F0062.8060302@daleco.biz> <20060601144317.47402556@hydrocodone.org> <867j3z3om6.fsf@xps.des.no> <20060603093810.601366af@hydrocodone.org> <86odx9pe3w.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20060605033821.GH50579@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lHuqAdgBYNjQz/wy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 VoIP: sip:0871270137@sip.internode.on.net WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , Allen , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Real UNIX? (was: The Unix Haters Handbook) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 04:23:55 -0000 --lHuqAdgBYNjQz/wy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 4 June 2006 at 23:14:13 -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: > > How much would it take to get The Open Group to re-certify FreeBSD > as UNIX and what would it take for FreeBSD to meet the requirements > for UNIX certification, Probably more money and effort than we have. > and would it be beneficial to FreeBSD if this happened? Good question. My guess is "no", but that's a guess. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --lHuqAdgBYNjQz/wy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEg7HRIubykFB6QiMRAq6hAJ923TvvqAwH/Lu+TQWLaT2tPMfGCACeLLk3 R3paYudIc48QIaxn/rL1CAI= =fdu/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lHuqAdgBYNjQz/wy-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 5 23:36:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C1816D7C4; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:58:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from mx.nitro.dk (zarniwoop.nitro.dk [83.92.207.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4006B43D53; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:58:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (unknown [192.168.3.18]) by mx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9CA2D4865; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id A157E11420; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:58:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:58:44 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Mark Ovens Message-ID: <20060605225844.GO1070@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <447F2695.40603@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lRF4gxo9Z9M++D0O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <447F2695.40603@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Record Uptimes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:36:48 -0000 --lRF4gxo9Z9M++D0O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2006.06.01 18:40:37 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > Respectable showing from FreeBSD here >=20 > http://en.uptime-project.net/page.php?page=3Dtoplist&content=3Dallhosts Good list of bad admins... (any system running this long is bound to have a lot of security flaws). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --lRF4gxo9Z9M++D0O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEhLckh9pcDSc1mlERAlTNAJ9u8j0XrdoF7/2C205adt3Z+cACPgCbBmRg R8TBmAdz2Jf7w/KY8Pt5Ga4= =vFEv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lRF4gxo9Z9M++D0O-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 6 04:07:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEF516BD2B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 03:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snow@aanet.com.au) Received: from mail.aanet.com.au (mail.aanet.com.au [202.63.43.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C52CF43D55 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 03:34:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from snow@aanet.com.au) Received: (qmail 6816 invoked by uid 89); 6 Jun 2006 03:34:10 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.0 ppid: 6628, pid: 6716, t: 0.3448s scanners: attach: 1.2.0 clamav: 0.88.1/m:37/d:1390 Received: from cust2534.qld01.dataco.com.au (HELO ?192.168.1.13?) (202.63.53.230) by mail.aanet.com.au with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 03:34:10 -0000 Message-ID: <4484F7F3.4030407@aanet.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:35:15 +1000 From: Snow User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat References: <447F2695.40603@freebsd.org> <20060605225844.GO1070@zaphod.nitro.dk> In-Reply-To: <20060605225844.GO1070@zaphod.nitro.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Record Uptimes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:07:34 -0000 Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > On 2006.06.01 18:40:37 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: >> Respectable showing from FreeBSD here >> >> http://en.uptime-project.net/page.php?page=toplist&content=allhosts > > Good list of bad admins... (any system running this long is bound to > have a lot of security flaws). > It's a neat trick but I'd rather run FreeBSD 6.1 than 3.2. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 8 14:13:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C617616BF67 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:09:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alive@dienub.org) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8E343D46 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:09:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alive@dienub.org) Received: from m00h.dienub.org (dienub.org [87.49.144.133]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 649D7FAC08E; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:09:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [192.168.0.2]) by m00h.dienub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454E61CC0A; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:09:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44881369.4060300@dienub.org> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:09:13 +0200 From: "Daniel A." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allen , chat@freebsd.org References: <447F2695.40603@freebsd.org> <447F2C3B.3010709@freebsd.org> <20060602160707.059b3c1c.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> <200606030050.01643.kruptos@mlinux.org> <20060603094327.1d4886eb@hydrocodone.org> In-Reply-To: <20060603094327.1d4886eb@hydrocodone.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Record Uptimes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:13:10 -0000 Allen wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:50:01 -0400 > Kevin Brunelle wrote: > >>> That's flaky? >>> >>> I typically get uptimes of 22-30 *hours* from my mains supply >>> without interruption. I have to keep the house clocks on my UPS >>> here in Florida. >>> >>> I suppose the storms we get have a bearing on the quality of our >>> electrical grid ;-) >> Oh you have to love that Florida weather. And just when you think you've got >> the random power-outages beat with several strategic UPSes... the power is >> out for 10-20 days thanks to the latest tropical storm. > > You could all move to Michigan. We dont' get tropical weather here.... Actually coming here form Florida, which some friends of mine have, you'd need some warm clothing ;) > > I still remember friens of mine coming up here saying "Man ti's freezing outside" and this was in the fall. Winter came and they almost cried lol. > > Anyway did no one think of bringing this up?: > > http://uptime.netcraft.net/up/today/top.avg.html > > Almost every box here is BSD, Free BSD, or Linux. And if you know a good one with major uptime, you can check for it and eventually it gets added. > > >> Well, at least that's a rare one... but the power does drive me nuts. I used >> to joke that a light breeze would kill the power at the place where I worked. > > I hate Power outages with a passion. My UPS is dead :( > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Oh man, speaking of power outages. I get them a lot here. I think my file system/hard drive/other hardware has gone corrupt because that. Whenever I get into bed, I know for certain that my system will either A) Crash (Because of the failures) or B) Lose power and stay shut down for the rest of the night. Funny how it always happpens exactly an hour after I leave the house or fall asleep. And it's really frustrating, you know. Knowing that I cant trust my system staying up while I'm writing this email, because all the power outages have damaged my hardware. I live in a country with a really good infrastructure, no extreme conditions or weather whatsoever. So what causes the power outages? Unlike you guys, my power outages are caused by the people I live with. Yeah. They cause shorts all the time. If you see a guy who's kidneys hurt because of abusive coffee ingestion, with eyes red because of continuous clawing-them-out, and random bald spots on the head - Well, it's me. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 9 06:26:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8812D16A418 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:26:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F210D43D70 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:26:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id m7so128389nzf for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:26:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yzdu0W3WYXarKhIupsGiY21ML7h6EICKGm+/zRTMkgA/HLytEvB76mGJdDgtY+S6E0lau3B6/BYdjh/hDIOxiKq18TJLnLnK7zrvyBU7GRc6aMTKALnZ7djHgIbx8MbCyEhqK8ouk1nIsqVYRU/xHv0dup3rQaWz7TIZlq+8jbk= Received: by 10.37.15.52 with SMTP id s52mr3500248nzi; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.104.17 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:26:50 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Daniel A." In-Reply-To: <44881369.4060300@dienub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <447F2695.40603@freebsd.org> <447F2C3B.3010709@freebsd.org> <20060602160707.059b3c1c.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> <200606030050.01643.kruptos@mlinux.org> <20060603094327.1d4886eb@hydrocodone.org> <44881369.4060300@dienub.org> Cc: Allen , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Record Uptimes X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:26:53 -0000 On 6/8/06, Daniel A. wrote: > > Oh man, speaking of power outages. I get them a lot here. I think my > file system/hard drive/other hardware has gone corrupt because that. > Whenever I get into bed, I know for certain that my system will either > A) Crash (Because of the failures) or > B) Lose power and stay shut down for the rest of the night. > > Funny how it always happpens exactly an hour after I leave the house or > fall asleep. > And it's really frustrating, you know. Knowing that I cant trust my > system staying up while I'm writing this email, because all the power > outages have damaged my hardware. > > I live in a country with a really good infrastructure, no extreme > conditions or weather whatsoever. So what causes the power outages? > Unlike you guys, my power outages are caused by the people I live with. > Yeah. They cause shorts all the time. > Shorts?... Real power shorts or just tripping the circuit breaker because they overloaded the circuit? Is this a house? If you have a free slot in your breaker box install a new 20A circuit and run it to your office area. Then buy some active PFC power supplies for your computers, this will protect them from over/under voltages as well as other power conditions that damage your equipment. It wouldn't hurt to get a line interactive, or online, UPS system and a whole house surge protection device too. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 9 13:27:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDE316A41A for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:27:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@brann.org) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D718A43D70 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:27:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@brann.org) Received: from freebie.brann.org (ool-45768fe8.dyn.optonline.net [69.118.143.232]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J0L005AYHDB6W00@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freebie.brann.org (localhost.panix.com [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.brann.org (8.13.6/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59DQNSI088445 for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:26:23 -0400 (EDT envelope-from john@freebie.brann.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by freebie.brann.org (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k59DQMNT088434 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:26:22 -0400 (EDT envelope-from john) Content-return: prohibited Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:26:22 -0400 From: John Brann To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <20060609132456.GA70164@freebie.brann.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Obituary Notice X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:27:24 -0000 It is with deep regret that I note the failure to POST of gate.brann.org. This Toshiba Satellite Pro 415CS (Pentium 90MHz, 16Mb memory) had worked tirelessly as the gateway / firewall / natd machine connecting my home network to the Internet following its productive career starting in 1996 as a personal laptop machine. It first took on its gateway role during 2000 and ran 24/7 for six years, except for reboots to perform upgrades or due to power failures. The machine's dmesg (from 2004) is recorded at: http://www.nycbug.org/?NAV=dmesgd;f_dmesg=;f_bsd=;f_nick=brann;f_descr=;dmesgid=1135#1135 The role of gateway has been taken on by another Toshiba laptop, purchased in 2000 partly with credits from the Toshiba floppy-driver settlement. John. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 9 14:54:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C476816A41A for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:54:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpetsmoker@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200FD43D79 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:54:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from carpetsmoker@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x29so559402nfb for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:54:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:to:subject:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent:from; b=QyvfnY155bgsUkOyP8oHdY3mTeTABe7ZoFZtikS7qETvnRQs+WAvru6JVU4iFPiA/zgQSfYhMu0EH9YCETYDHfQHX035DF+JdJAlKz7iW/hg16nqLIf53IUR81nRdxg56iRWmjDSROWTE9AWD2PFpWJu4s2CcObb6QdQEBzSOec= Received: by 10.48.213.11 with SMTP id l11mr2454976nfg; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carpetsmoker.ictwerkplaats.org ( [80.126.94.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p45sm3331046nfa.2006.06.09.07.54.49; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:53:00 -0000 To: "John Brann" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060609132456.GA70164@freebie.brann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060609132456.GA70164@freebie.brann.org> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (FreeBSD) From: Martin Tournoy Cc: Subject: Re: Obituary Notice X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:54:53 -0000 On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:26:22 -0000, John Brann wrote: > It is with deep regret that I note the failure to POST of gate.brann.o= rg. > > This Toshiba Satellite Pro 415CS (Pentium 90MHz, 16Mb memory) had work= ed > tirelessly as the gateway / firewall / natd machine connecting my home= > network to the Internet following its productive career starting in 19= 96 > as a personal laptop machine. > > It first took on its gateway role during 2000 and ran 24/7 for six yea= rs, > except for reboots to perform upgrades or due to power failures. > > The machine's dmesg (from 2004) is recorded at: > > http://www.nycbug.org/?NAV=3Ddmesgd;f_dmesg=3D;f_bsd=3D;f_nick=3Dbrann= ;f_descr=3D;dmesgid=3D1135#1135 > > The role of gateway has been taken on by another Toshiba laptop, = > purchased > in 2000 partly with credits from the Toshiba floppy-driver settlement.= > > John. I would like to offer my sincere regrets as a fellow Toshiba Satellite. May you find strenght in these hard times. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 9 14:56:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C43E16A41F for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpetsmoker@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BE843D70 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:55:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from carpetsmoker@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a27so398418nfc for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:to:subject:content-type:mime-version:references:content-transfer-encoding:date:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent:from; b=dyHMyZuLU7VZVPMt+9cyJjzqC6S5rtsW1i5wJFFfWI5h/AfOPOAMv1gWOl3nCeDQ8CHnl/ytndskVfQOtkNuLjHgfVgaq65+iQVnnTJmQ3U0Yl7uqcDYppLnZrnpX646L6cECZxxhZB2sP8Oir/frhbwJCdnbQoVnHccseQGc6c= Received: by 10.49.9.20 with SMTP id m20mr2411927nfi; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carpetsmoker.ictwerkplaats.org ( [80.126.94.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n22sm3306889nfc.2006.06.09.07.55.53; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:55:54 -0700 (PDT) To: "Martin Tournoy" , "John Brann" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060609132456.GA70164@freebie.brann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:54:05 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (FreeBSD) From: Martin Tournoy Cc: Subject: Re: Obituary Notice X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:56:00 -0000 On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:53:00 -0000, Martin Tournoy = wrote: > On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:26:22 -0000, John Brann wrote:= > >> It is with deep regret that I note the failure to POST of = >> gate.brann.org. >> >> This Toshiba Satellite Pro 415CS (Pentium 90MHz, 16Mb memory) had wor= ked >> tirelessly as the gateway / firewall / natd machine connecting my hom= e >> network to the Internet following its productive career starting in 1= 996 >> as a personal laptop machine. >> >> It first took on its gateway role during 2000 and ran 24/7 for six = >> years, >> except for reboots to perform upgrades or due to power failures. >> >> The machine's dmesg (from 2004) is recorded at: >> >> http://www.nycbug.org/?NAV=3Ddmesgd;f_dmesg=3D;f_bsd=3D;f_nick=3Dbran= n;f_descr=3D;dmesgid=3D1135#1135 >> >> The role of gateway has been taken on by another Toshiba laptop, = >> purchased >> in 2000 partly with credits from the Toshiba floppy-driver settlement= . >> >> John. > > I would like to offer my sincere regrets as a fellow Toshiba Satellite= . > > May you find strenght in these hard times. > Fuck, I forgot to write owner... ...stupid.... From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 10 02:25:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59AE16A41B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hackmiester@hackmiester.com) Received: from smtpout08-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout08-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63BF443D73 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:25:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hackmiester@hackmiester.com) Received: (qmail 28563 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 02:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.220.172.246) by smtpout08-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.12) with ESMTP; 10 Jun 2006 02:25:44 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20060609132456.GA70164@freebie.brann.org> References: <20060609132456.GA70164@freebie.brann.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4A415EBE-94CE-4D95-B150-52B414BEF033@hackmiester.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Hunter Fuller Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:26:41 +0000 To: John Brann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Obituary Notice X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:25:44 -0000 On 09 Jun 2006, at 1:26 PM, John Brann wrote: > It is with deep regret that I note the failure to POST of > gate.brann.org. > :'( > > The role of gateway has been taken on by another Toshiba laptop, > purchased > in 2000 partly with credits from the Toshiba floppy-driver settlement. What kind? I have a Toshiba 2805 (or something like that) serving as my main server, it's awesome. > > John. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 10 22:35:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005AC16A418 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCC443D46 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:35:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i31so715555wxd for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cAR0I+/TQFeuMagWucy6SRj8IN3Xs/2xR5WZPJOhvs7eDAUUCXlfsTeiQ50iTHube8rkaEPTaBP7tJxjFLdbY1TR30wmvZGPuzaczkacmodSOGf0JGD+7V4x080v6SBL+yi7EFgfCAOmzrfMhJylbTsnHTveHBod0E+Tc1KBTVo= Received: by 10.70.87.8 with SMTP id k8mr4957548wxb; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.50.2 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 02:35:17 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" To: "FreeBSD Chat" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Does anyone have 1994 and earlier mailing list archives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:35:19 -0000 I'm interested in recontructing the complete archive of our mailing lists from the first test messages to the flames of today. Marc only has post-1995 messages and archives on freefall start with different months of 1994. I can't locate the very beginning of each mailing list. Have to wonder if that's still possible. Maybe some old-timers have it all somewhere on their hard drives (tapes, floppies, punch cards, ...)?