From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 11 03:04:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1683A16A420 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB1B43D4C for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:04:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id z3so1040785nzf for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:04:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UKKwvvsaURhTfc0s+s7xjJzM9QEm6HpKUJg8d6m8sN/79ZkJ1wsS5cmGiFWa2Wvf96RfJDiRcCX5tvl4y2VXpdBZ2dnF4HCFpKeQC9MJ837B+niSsv4NoJ7rpM7kuEs7pDSNcpslIq5KAjhahLijqdaX6JhFTylJkmEuopahZgM= Received: by 10.37.22.49 with SMTP id z49mr6535568nzi; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.104.17 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:04:55 -0500 From: "Nikolas Britton" To: "Andrew Pantyukhin" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Does anyone have 1994 and earlier mailing list archives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 03:04:58 -0000 On 6/10/06, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > I'm interested in recontructing the complete archive of > our mailing lists from the first test messages to the > flames of today. > > Marc only has post-1995 messages and archives on > freefall start with different months of 1994. I can't locate > the very beginning of each mailing list. Have to wonder > if that's still possible. Maybe some old-timers have it > all somewhere on their hard drives (tapes, floppies, > punch cards, ...)? Punch cards, lol... Have you tried here?: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/ -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 11 07:38:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C80E16A41A for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF6F43D6B for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:38:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i31so747162wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:38:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t/YjnTKzBxbN+dshFEQkjF5p1QlvXTuaEI03x+SQXQREQseiwqqU996ItXd3rq9keTWWPyubtnBsKqXYl93qP+gcVZgD588xjxdR+lcNfKwskAXEdjVGLrOcUCIps3u3qS110zHcTPFWgexZt7dkwfxgftYWAQWRa6SWAScBa9A= Received: by 10.70.7.5 with SMTP id 5mr5155089wxg; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.50.19 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:38:16 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" To: "Nikolas Britton" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Does anyone have 1994 and earlier mailing list archives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:38:21 -0000 On 6/11/06, Nikolas Britton wrote: > On 6/10/06, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > > I'm interested in recontructing the complete archive of > > our mailing lists from the first test messages to the > > flames of today. > > > > Marc only has post-1995 messages and archives on > > freefall start with different months of 1994. I can't locate > > the very beginning of each mailing list. Have to wonder > > if that's still possible. Maybe some old-timers have it > > all somewhere on their hard drives (tapes, floppies, > > punch cards, ...)? > > Punch cards, lol... Have you tried here?: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/ Yep. It looks like it doesn't have a year or more worth of messages (1994 mostly). 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Never used pre-5.x >> > >> > -Jim >> >> What do you mean 5.x? FreeBSD never made 5.x. They went straight from >> 4 to 6 like everybody else. :-) >> >> Netscape 4 => 6 >> Linux 2.4 => 2.6 >> FreeBSD 4 => 6 >> >> It's a good thing we don't let computers pick version numbers, you >> might end up with FreeBSD 5.5 +/- sqrt(.36). > > As much as I hate to continue this off-topic thread, I couldn't help but > notice a glaring exclusion in your list: I'm willing to continue it. Just not on the -questions list... > IPv4 => IPv6 Mazda 4 => Mazda 6? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 15 23:30:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3C116A479 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62E943D4C for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:30:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local (Exim 4.44) id 1Fr1Ig-00013L-8e for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:30:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: "Jeremy C. Reed" Subject: spool-less and server-less printing X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:30:55 -0000 What do you use for your workstation printing? I am looking for suggestions and experiences with using printing software without any daemon running and not needing to queue the print jobs. (It is okay if remote is a server -- I am just talking about a workstation.) I recently read that foomatic-rip can be used as a stand-alone lpr alternative. It uses PPD files, a render like ghostscript, and is said to work with all known spoolers. Can lprng or cups be used without having a daemon running? (Like for printing directly to an attached parallel port printer.) Jeremy C. Reed From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 16 10:01:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC9616A474 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1C243D55 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:01:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5952085; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:01:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: none X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on tim.des.no Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200C02082; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0383633C28; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:01:38 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: "Jeremy C. Reed" References: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:01:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jeremy C. Reed's message of "Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:30:58 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <86ver1s9kt.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spool-less and server-less printing X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:01:49 -0000 "Jeremy C. Reed" writes: > What do you use for your workstation printing? CUPS. > Can lprng or cups be used without having a daemon running? No. Why is that a problem? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 16 11:54:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C44516A47A for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:54:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raistlin@tacorp.net) Received: from mail.tacorp.net (mail.tacorp.net [64.254.140.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD3143D46 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:54:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from raistlin@tacorp.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.tacorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE5D1B503B; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:54:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tacorp.net Received: from mail.tacorp.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.tacorp.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ZXRSW9WUWNA; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.tacorp.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B1DBB1B5027; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.tacorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF251B5008; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:54:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Slagle To: "Jeremy C. Reed" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060616075356.G81728@mail.tacorp.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spool-less and server-less printing X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:54:54 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > What do you use for your workstation printing? > > I am looking for suggestions and experiences with using printing software > without any daemon running and not needing to queue the print jobs. (It is > okay if remote is a server -- I am just talking about a workstation.) > > I recently read that foomatic-rip can be used as a stand-alone lpr > alternative. It uses PPD files, a render like ghostscript, and is said to > work with all known spoolers. > > Can lprng or cups be used without having a daemon running? (Like for > printing directly to an attached parallel port printer.) For remote printers, you should look at rlpr - ports/print/rlpr Jason -- Jason Slagle /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign . X - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail . From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 17 12:20:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E5116A52E for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:20:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@cloudynwuk.force9.co.uk) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8E543D4C for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:20:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mitchell@cloudynwuk.force9.co.uk) Received: from [81.174.214.12] (helo=[81.174.214.12]) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FrZmb-0000Oa-6u for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:20:09 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.0/368]); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:20:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c69208$5e8b02c0$0cd6ae51@hal> From: "Frank Mitchell" To: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:16:01 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Wot No Run-Time Symbol Table ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:20:23 -0000 From: "Frank Mitchell" To: Subject: Wot No Run-Time Symbol Table ? Date: 11 June 2006 20:21 I've just solved an interesting problem. I wrote an application for Linux and then decided I wanted it under FreeBSD instead. With mods it built okay and almost worked as before. But after rebooting I just got: "Shared object has no run-time symbol table". I'm not the first to see this message. An Internet Search reveals other people being perplexed by it over the past few years. It's caused by building your Source Code on a Windows Partition. I did this because of my favourite Windows Freeware Text Editor. You can get away with it under Linux, but under FreeBSD you get dud readelf information. Can anybody point me towards further details? Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 09/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006