From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 23 11:40:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F189F16A416 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4595943D4C for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:40:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (naxydi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9NBeBqU049489; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:40:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k9NBeBK9049488; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:40:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:40:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200610231140.k9NBeBK9049488@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, bsd-unix@earthlink.net In-Reply-To: <20061021190315.7aa63143.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:40:17 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD branches stats X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, bsd-unix@earthlink.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:40:22 -0000 Randy Pratt wrote: > I think the page referenced may include "release" numbers from all > the reporting machines regardless of operating system. > > Better numbers from the relatively small sample can be found at > > http://www.bsdstats.org/freebsd/releases.php Where is the link to that URL? I didn't find it anywhere. > which tally up to the totals for FreeBSD listed on the main page. > I find the number of 2.x systems a little puzzling though. Well, I also have 2.2-stable installed on an old notebook that wouldn't reasonably run any newer version (it has 4 MB RAM and 120 MB disk, no network, no X). However, the number for 2.x systems seems a bit high indeed. I think the users who still run 2.x systems tend to tune them manually and watch the lists closely for things that need to be patched. Therefore they might have a better chance to know about the bsdstats script than people who just install a release. The statistics are certainly skewed by the fact that the bsdstats script isn't integrated into the standard installation, like other BSD projects did meanwhile. And the numbers are much too low to have much of a statistical value so far. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "C++ is over-complicated nonsense. And Bjorn Shoestrap's book a danger to public health. I tried reading it once, I was in recovery for months." -- Cliff Sarginson From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 23 12:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FC416A416 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:07:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-chat@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3012D43DDE for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:05:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-chat@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GbyYU-0006CW-Aj for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:05:22 +0200 Received: from 161.53.72.113 ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:05:22 +0200 Received: from ivoras by 161.53.72.113 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:05:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:05:07 +0200 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <20061021190315.7aa63143.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> <200610231140.k9NBeBK9049488@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.53.72.113 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060625) In-Reply-To: <200610231140.k9NBeBK9049488@lurza.secnetix.de> Sender: news Subject: Re: FreeBSD branches stats X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:07:13 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > > However, the number for 2.x systems seems a bit high indeed. > I think the users who still run 2.x systems tend to tune > them manually and watch the lists closely for things that > need to be patched. Or the script is picking maybe NetBSD or OpenBSD, both of which had 2.x versions comparatively recently? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 23 12:59:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BDE16A415 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DB043D45 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:59:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7L00J25AQS6W70@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml5so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.149]) by pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7L0085JAQSNNE1@pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx.cydem.org ([24.87.27.3]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J7L00FI3AQSFW00@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 05:58:35 -0700 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <200610230558.35558.soralx@cydem.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <20061021190315.7aa63143.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> <200610231140.k9NBeBK9049488@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 Subject: Re: FreeBSD branches stats X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:59:21 -0000 > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > > > However, the number for 2.x systems seems a bit high indeed. > > I think the users who still run 2.x systems tend to tune > > them manually and watch the lists closely for things that > > need to be patched. > > Or the script is picking maybe NetBSD or OpenBSD, both of which had 2.x > versions comparatively recently? precisely freebsd 2.2.7 an newer were far more popular than 2.1 (which is in the stats) [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 23 14:42:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA5416A40F for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@earthlink.net) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E75E43D53 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:42:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsd-unix@earthlink.net) Received: from fl-71-54-28-212.dhcp.embarqhsd.net ([71.54.28.212] helo=kt.weeeble.com) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gc0ak-0004AL-00; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:15:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:15:48 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <20061023101548.c3cd605e.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200610231140.k9NBeBK9049488@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <20061021190315.7aa63143.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> <200610231140.k9NBeBK9049488@lurza.secnetix.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.9 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Oliver Fromme , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD branches stats X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:42:15 -0000 On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:40:11 +0200 (CEST) Oliver Fromme wrote: > Randy Pratt wrote: > > I think the page referenced may include "release" numbers from all > > the reporting machines regardless of operating system. > > > > Better numbers from the relatively small sample can be found at > > > > http://www.bsdstats.org/freebsd/releases.php > > Where is the link to that URL? I didn't find it anywhere. Marc (scrappy@) referenced it in a thread on freebsd-questions a while back but you are correct that it is not linked from the bsdstats main page. > > which tally up to the totals for FreeBSD listed on the main page. > > I find the number of 2.x systems a little puzzling though. > > Well, I also have 2.2-stable installed on an old notebook > that wouldn't reasonably run any newer version (it has 4 MB > RAM and 120 MB disk, no network, no X). > > However, the number for 2.x systems seems a bit high indeed. > I think the users who still run 2.x systems tend to tune > them manually and watch the lists closely for things that > need to be patched. Therefore they might have a better > chance to know about the bsdstats script than people who > just install a release. The statistics are certainly skewed > by the fact that the bsdstats script isn't integrated into > the standard installation, like other BSD projects did > meanwhile. And the numbers are much too low to have much > of a statistical value so far. The numbers are definitely much too low to draw any conclusions but they do raise some questions in my mind. Had I seen some number of 3.x systems, the presence of 2.x boxes would seem less conspicuous. Speaking for myself, I would not object to bsdstats in the base system but I'm almost sure it would be off by default. The problem of making users aware of its existence would then arise. Perhaps more users would participate if they knew it existed. So far, bsdstats has only been mentioned in a couple of mailing lists. The present low numbers of reporting systems just reinforces my perception that mosts users don't read the mailing lists so even if it were included in the base system it might not get activated. All in all, bsdstats could be useful information beyond its original intent of demonstrating to hardware vendors that a viable market exists. I had thought about mentioning these stats during the 4.x EOL bikesheds since the terms "many 4.x" and "a lot of users" were being tossed around. The 4.x with 10% total didn't seem to meet the criteria for "many" to me ;-) Of course, I didn't bring it up since the sampling is so small at this point that it would have only added to the noise on the lists. Randy -- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 23 15:00:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1707016A412 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@psconsult.nl) Received: from ps226.psconsult.nl (ps226.psconsult.nl [213.222.19.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583FC43D45 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:00:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from paul@psconsult.nl) Received: from phuket.psconsult.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phuket.psconsult.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NExTTO021224 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from paul@psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by phuket.psconsult.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k9NExTTN021223 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from paul@psconsult.nl) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:28 +0200 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061023145928.GA20210@psconsult.nl> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20061021190315.7aa63143.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> <200610231140.k9NBeBK9049488@lurza.secnetix.de> <20061023101548.c3cd605e.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061023101548.c3cd605e.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: FreeBSD branches stats X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:00:20 -0000 On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 10:15:48AM -0400, Randy Pratt wrote: > On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:40:11 +0200 (CEST) > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > Randy Pratt wrote: > > > I think the page referenced may include "release" numbers from all > > > the reporting machines regardless of operating system. > > > > > > Better numbers from the relatively small sample can be found at > > > > > > http://www.bsdstats.org/freebsd/releases.php > > > > Where is the link to that URL? I didn't find it anywhere. > > Marc (scrappy@) referenced it in a thread on freebsd-questions a > while back but you are correct that it is not linked from the > bsdstats main page. > > > > which tally up to the totals for FreeBSD listed on the main page. > > > I find the number of 2.x systems a little puzzling though. > > > > Well, I also have 2.2-stable installed on an old notebook > > that wouldn't reasonably run any newer version (it has 4 MB > > RAM and 120 MB disk, no network, no X). > > > > However, the number for 2.x systems seems a bit high indeed. > > I think the users who still run 2.x systems tend to tune > > them manually and watch the lists closely for things that > > need to be patched. Therefore they might have a better > > chance to know about the bsdstats script than people who > > just install a release. The statistics are certainly skewed > > by the fact that the bsdstats script isn't integrated into > > the standard installation, like other BSD projects did > > meanwhile. And the numbers are much too low to have much > > of a statistical value so far. > > The numbers are definitely much too low to draw any conclusions > but they do raise some questions in my mind. Had I seen some > number of 3.x systems, the presence of 2.x boxes would seem less > conspicuous. > > Speaking for myself, I would not object to bsdstats in the base > system but I'm almost sure it would be off by default. The problem > of making users aware of its existence would then arise. Perhaps > more users would participate if they knew it existed. So far, Have sysinstall (maybe mergemaster too?) put a comment in /etc/rc.conf to make users aware of bsdstats and ask to please enable it (explaining that it won't harm nor export sensitive information). # NOTE: # # Please uncomment the line below. It will make this system automatically # update a database at bsdstats.org telling which version of BSD is running. # This will help the various BSD projects convince software makers that BSD # systems are actually used on a very wide scale and that support for BSD # in their software is as important as support for other operating systems. # # Enabling bsdstats will not compromise the security of this system as no # network ports will be opened by bsdstats. The data that gets exported # by bsdstats is not sensitive and completely anaonymous. The sole purpose # of bsdstats is to get statistics on the installed base of BSD systems. # # For more information, please visit http://www.bsdstats.org/ # #bsdstats_enable="YES" > bsdstats has only been mentioned in a couple of mailing lists. > The present low numbers of reporting systems just reinforces my > perception that mosts users don't read the mailing lists so even > if it were included in the base system it might not get activated. > > All in all, bsdstats could be useful information beyond its original > intent of demonstrating to hardware vendors that a viable market > exists. I had thought about mentioning these stats during the > 4.x EOL bikesheds since the terms "many 4.x" and "a lot of users" > were being tossed around. The 4.x with 10% total didn't seem to > meet the criteria for "many" to me ;-) Of course, I didn't bring > it up since the sampling is so small at this point that it would > have only added to the noise on the lists. > > Randy Paul Schenkeveld From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 23 15:25:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C3616A61E for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25C643D70 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:25:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (uxoxqv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9NFOKle060341; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:24:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k9NFOKJl060340; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:24:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:24:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200610231524.k9NFOKJl060340@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, bsd-unix@earthlink.net In-Reply-To: <20061023101548.c3cd605e.bsd-unix@earthlink.net> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:24:26 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD branches stats X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, bsd-unix@earthlink.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:25:07 -0000 Randy Pratt wrote: > The numbers are definitely much too low to draw any conclusions > but they do raise some questions in my mind. Had I seen some > number of 3.x systems, the presence of 2.x boxes would seem less > conspicuous. True. > Speaking for myself, I would not object to bsdstats in the base > system but I'm almost sure it would be off by default. It doesn't have to be in the base system. It could be a port / package. And it's OK to make it off by default. > The problem > of making users aware of its existence would then arise. Two things: First, sysinstall should ask whether it should be enabled. (It could be done as part of the after-install configuration, where sysinstall also asks whether Linux emulation should be enabled etc.) Second -- and I think this is already the case -- if the bsdstats script is installed but not enabled in rc.conf, then the script outputs a message saying so and explaining how to enable it, so the user sees it in his monthly run output. > Perhaps > more users would participate if they knew it existed. Most certainly. > bsdstats has only been mentioned in a couple of mailing lists. > The present low numbers of reporting systems just reinforces my > perception that mosts users don't read the mailing lists so even > if it were included in the base system it might not get activated. Yes, I think so, too. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. C++: "an octopus made by nailing extra legs onto a dog" -- Steve Taylor, 1998 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 24 13:18:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C83416A403 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:18:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from flpvm23.prodigy.net (flpvm23.prodigy.net [207.115.20.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2605443D5E for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:18:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) X-ORBL: [71.155.231.231] Received: from [192.168.2.3] (adsl-71-155-231-231.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [71.155.231.231]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k9ODIR42028369 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:18:28 -0700 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain Organization: The Stox Organization Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:18:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1161695898.8230.25.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Only in Texas X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ken@stox.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:18:23 -0000 http://rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 24 13:41:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44BA16A403 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3613143D66 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:41:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 32476 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 13:41:12 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Oct 2006 13:41:12 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id BC92C28433; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:41:11 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <1161695898.8230.25.camel@stox.dyndns.org> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:41:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1161695898.8230.25.camel@stox.dyndns.org> (Kenneth P. Stox's message of "Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:18:18 -0500") Message-ID: <44hcxtkf0o.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Only in Texas X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:41:14 -0000 That story is actually older than FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 25 01:04:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E093616A412 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB5643D53 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:04:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4969132E69; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:34:51 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1FDF9C283; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:34:51 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:34:51 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Message-ID: <20061025010451.GH63972@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <1161695898.8230.25.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Or8LRHETumScJgaM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1161695898.8230.25.camel@stox.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 VoIP: sip:0871270137@sip.internode.on.net WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Daemon story (was: Only in Texas) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:04:54 -0000 --Or8LRHETumScJgaM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 24 October 2006 at 8:18:18 -0500, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > http://rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html (The "Are you a satanist" quote). This has been in the preface to "The Complete FreeBSD" since the zeroth edition (24 February 1996). I got it from Rob Kolstad, who got it from Linda Brannigan. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --Or8LRHETumScJgaM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFPrgzIubykFB6QiMRAlUeAKCzvyK0wNe2rtdCeT1YLSKxZjxKTQCgnE9g REiDz68IgvRL8U3h1YQxv2I= =dtcJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Or8LRHETumScJgaM-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 25 01:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AE316A407 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [206.18.177.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24B643D53 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:17:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from gimpy (failure[24.118.173.219]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20061025011647b1300l5kvre>; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:17:07 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:16:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <1161695898.8230.25.camel@stox.dyndns.org> <44hcxtkf0o.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> In-Reply-To: <44hcxtkf0o.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610242016.13971.josh@tcbug.org> Subject: Re: Only in Texas X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:17:08 -0000 On Tuesday 24 October 2006 08:41, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > That story is actually older than FreeBSD. > The people that post these sorts of links must be the same ones that just discovered 'Tripping the Rift' last week and want to show all their friends. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 25 03:52:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84A116A416 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585F843D46 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:52:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) X-ORBL: [75.4.67.252] Received: from [192.168.2.3] (adsl-75-4-67-252.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.4.67.252]) by flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.7 out spool5000 dk/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k9P3q3JX026082; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:52:04 -0700 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Josh Paetzel , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200610242016.13971.josh@tcbug.org> References: <1161695898.8230.25.camel@stox.dyndns.org> <44hcxtkf0o.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <200610242016.13971.josh@tcbug.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: The Stox Organization Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:52:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1161748369.18228.14.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Only in Texas X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ken@stox.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:52:55 -0000 On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 20:16 -0500, Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Tuesday 24 October 2006 08:41, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > That story is actually older than FreeBSD. > > > > The people that post these sorts of links must be the same ones that > just discovered 'Tripping the Rift' last week and want to show all > their friends. Or, in my case, skipped their coffee in the morning after a long night and made a total spectacle of themselves. A few key neurons took the morning off. I really should have known better. Oh well, won't be the first time I got to wear the pointy white hat while sitting in the corner. -Ken From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 25 04:06:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D703716A407 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE4343D53 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:06:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from gimpy (c-24-118-173-219.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.118.173.219]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2006102504061801400qr7g2e>; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:06:18 +0000 From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, ken@stox.org Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:06:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <1161695898.8230.25.camel@stox.dyndns.org> <200610242016.13971.josh@tcbug.org> <1161748369.18228.14.camel@stox.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <1161748369.18228.14.camel@stox.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610242306.05443.josh@tcbug.org> Cc: Subject: Re: Only in Texas X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 04:06:19 -0000 On Tuesday 24 October 2006 22:52, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 20:16 -0500, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 October 2006 08:41, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > > That story is actually older than FreeBSD. > > > > The people that post these sorts of links must be the same ones > > that just discovered 'Tripping the Rift' last week and want to > > show all their friends. > > Or, in my case, skipped their coffee in the morning after a long > night and made a total spectacle of themselves. A few key neurons > took the morning off. I really should have known better. > > Oh well, won't be the first time I got to wear the pointy white hat > while sitting in the corner. > > -Ken ack. ack ack ack. I really apologize. I left out a very crucial :D in my response. I meant to come off as funny, not as a complete a******. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel