From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 12 08:24:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC36516A412 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:24:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd-hardware@mawer.org) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony12.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony12.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.157]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A1243D73 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:24:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd-hardware@mawer.org) Received: from 203-206-173-235.perm.iinet.net.au (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([203.206.173.235]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony12.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2006 16:24:51 +0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAOpoVkXLzq3r/2dsb2JhbAAN X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,414,1157299200"; d="scan'208"; a="25608756:sNHT85088043" Message-ID: <4556D9F6.9050604@mawer.org> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:23:18 +1100 From: Antony Mawer User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: white@prokhorenko.us References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Core 2 Duo and FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 08:24:55 -0000 On 10/11/2006 1:52 PM, Olexandr Prokhorenko wrote: > I¹m considering getting a new Core 2 Duo (Intel® Core 2 Duo E6400 CPU > 2.13GHz) server to run under FreeBSD. I briefly searched the Internet and > found some concerns and trouble reports about FreeBSD and Core 2 Duo > servers. I really need to use this server for high load production use and > it¹s not acceptable for me to have the server running into any kind of > problems, crashes, or whatever else. As an alternative to Core 2 Duo, I was > thinking about Intel® Pentium® D 945 Dual Core 3.4GHz, but I was told that > it has significantly less power. It would help to know what sort of system you are looking at - eg. vendor & model number or at least the motherboard manufacturer and model. This will likely have a great deal of impact on the stability of the drivers for the system. The Core 2 Duo chips are definitely worth considering in favour of the more mediocre Pentium D's. I recently build a Core 2 Duo based system on an Intel DQ965GF motherboard, with which I had issues with the onboard Marvell PATA controller not working. I was able to work around the issue by using a PCI PATA controller for the CD-ROM during installation, after which the drive was no longer needed. The onboard SATA II ports appeared to work fine, and the system survived load testing running an SMP kernel on 6.2-BETA3 (at the time) without any apparent issues. You may want to hang out for 6.2-RELEASE before committing the server to production, as there have been issues regarding the em (Intel GBit) driver in the candidates leading up to the release. --Antony From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 12 12:50:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771B316A4EF for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from regnier.olivier@gmail.com) Received: from smtp3-g19.free.fr (smtp3-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAA243D68 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:50:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from regnier.olivier@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mac76-2-82-241-6-173.fbx.proxad.net [82.241.6.173]) by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF61E4A27E; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:50:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <455718B7.3000009@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:51:03 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olivier_R=E9gnier?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ANdrei , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <4556566A.5010505@gmail.com> <021601c705fd$61f3f070$847ba8c0@Rage> In-Reply-To: <021601c705fd$61f3f070$847ba8c0@Rage> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Slimtype DVDRW SOSw-833S/VRS2 ATA/ATAPI X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: regnier.olivier@gmail.com List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:50:36 -0000 ANdrei a écrit : > hi. > > i don't want to sound like a smartass, but did u try to use it as root? > also, can u mount data cd's? that should give you a start as to know if > your drive is supported, and I actually doubt it that there is _any_ > unsupported normal drive, as FreeBSD doesn't care about the exact type > of drive, but about the type: Atapi, SCSI etc... And if you can mount a > data cd as root, it means you just do smtg wrong (we can get through > this tomorrow or later and figure that out, let's just start by seeing > if data cds work :) btw, if data cd works, try listening to an audio cd > as root, and if that works too (pretty sure it will) then smtg is wrong > with the permissions ;) > > > good luck, > ANdrei > http://students.oamk.fi/~t6ruan00/ > ------ > Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down > to their level then beat you with experience... > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivier Régnier" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:02 AM > Subject: Slimtype DVDRW SOSw-833S/VRS2 ATA/ATAPI > > >> Hello, >> >> I'm running on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10 and i would like to listen a >> music cd, to look a dvd film or to burn a cd data but i can't do that. >> The material is new. Here some information about it: >> >> - Acer Aspire 3002WLMI >> - Mobile AMD Sempron processor 2800+ >> - 15.4 WXGA wide TFT LCD >> - 60GB HDD >> - DVD-Dual (Support DVD+R Double Layer/DVD+RW) >> - 512MB DDR >> - 802.11b/g wireless LAN >> >> To use my DVD/CD burner, i compiled my kernel with these parameters: >> >> # --------------- >> # Kernel. >> # --------------- >> >> # Options >> options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem >> >> # ATA and ATAPI devices >> device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives >> >> # SCSI peripherals >> device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) >> device da # Direct Access (disks) >> >> # ATAPI/CAM >> device atapicam >> >> if you looks the dmesg file, i obtain these lines: >> >> acd0: DVDR at ata1-master UDMA33 >> acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out >> acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out >> acd0: FAILURE - READ_SUBCHANNEL timed out >> acd0: FAILURE - PAUSE ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0xb9 ascq=0x00 >> >> Well, after i activated the dma for the dvd/cd burner with this line in >> my loader.conf: >> >> hw.ata.atapi_dma="1" >> >> After the new kernel is installed, and the system is rebooted, i >> modified my devfs.conf file >> with the good permissions, i think: >> >> own xpt0 olivier >> perm xpt0 0660 >> >> own acd0 olivier >> perm acd0 0660 >> >> link acd0 cdrom >> link acd0 dvd >> >> then, i tested my dvd/cd burner with xmms. I push on the play button, >> the cdrom engages and after 1 second, more nothing. Second test, i used >> mplayer to look my dvd film and nothing. I don't know what happened >> with it. >> Perhaps FreeBSD doesn't support my Slimtype DVDRW ? But if i use the >> atacontrol list command, i have this: >> >> ATA channel 1: >> Master: acd0 ATA/ATAPI revision 5 >> Slave: no device present >> >> It is terrible, when you cannot use your material. With Microsoft >> Windows, I do not have any problem and on the same laptop. Estranged no >> ? But i want to stay on FreeBSD to find a solution. My situation is >> delicate. >> >> Could you help me about this ? >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> Olivier Regnier. >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> Copyright (c) 1992-2006 The FreeBSD Project. >> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 >> The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. >> FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10 #3: Sat Nov 11 23:23:51 UTC 2006 >> root@elipse:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/ORION >> ACPI APIC Table: >> Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 >> CPU: Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ (1600.06-MHz 686-class CPU) >> Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x10fc0 Stepping = 0 >> >> Features=0x78bfbff >> >> AMD Features=0xc2500800 >> AMD Features2=0x1 >> real memory = 468647936 (446 MB) >> avail memory = 449200128 (428 MB) >> ACPI-0377: *** Info: Table [SSDT] replaced by host OS >> ACPI: overriding DSDT/SSDT with custom table >> ACPI-0377: *** Info: Table [DSDT] replaced by host OS >> MADT: Forcing active-low polarity and level trigger for SCI >> ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard >> wlan: mac acl policy registered >> acpi0: on motherboard >> acpi0: Power Button (fixed) >> unknown: I/O range not supported >> acpi_ec0: port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 >> Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 >> acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x8008-0x800b on acpi0 >> cpu0: on acpi0 >> pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 >> pci0: on pcib0 >> agp0: mem 0xe0000000-0xe1ffffff at device >> 0.0 on pci0 >> pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 >> pci1: on pcib1 >> pci1: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) >> isab0: at device 2.0 on pci0 >> isa0: on isab0 >> atapci0: port >> 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x2000-0x200f at device 2.5 on pci0 >> ata0: on atapci0 >> ata1: on atapci0 >> pci0: at device 2.6 (no driver attached) >> pcm0: port 0x1400-0x14ff,0x1c80-0x1cff irq 18 at device 2.7 >> on pci0 >> pcm0: >> ohci0: mem 0xe2002000-0xe2002fff irq 20 at >> device 3.0 on pci0 >> ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support >> usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting >> usb0: on ohci0 >> usb0: USB revision 1.0 >> uhub0: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 >> uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered >> ohci1: mem 0xe2003000-0xe2003fff irq 21 at >> device 3.1 on pci0 >> ohci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> usb1: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support >> usb1: SMM does not respond, resetting >> usb1: on ohci1 >> usb1: USB revision 1.0 >> uhub1: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 >> uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered >> ehci0: mem 0xe2004000-0xe2004fff >> irq 23 at device 3.2 on pci0 >> ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> usb2: EHCI version 1.0 >> usb2: companion controllers, 3 ports each: usb0 usb1 >> usb2: on ehci0 >> usb2: USB revision 2.0 >> uhub2: SiS EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 >> uhub2: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered >> sis0: port 0x1800-0x18ff mem >> 0xe2005000-0xe2005fff irq 19 at device 4.0 on pci0 >> miibus0: on sis0 >> rlphy0: on miibus0 >> rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto >> sis0: Ethernet address: 00:c0:9f:a4:d2:f0 >> cbb0: at device 6.0 on pci0 >> cardbus0: on cbb0 >> pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 >> ndis0: mem 0xe2000000-0xe2001fff >> irq 17 at device 11.0 on pci0 >> ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1 >> ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:0e:9b:d3:b5:7e >> acpi_acad0: on acpi0 >> battery0: on acpi0 >> acpi_lid0: on acpi0 >> acpi_button0: on acpi0 >> acpi_button1: on acpi0 >> acpi_tz0: on acpi0 >> atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 >> atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 >> kbd0 at atkbd0 >> atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 >> psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >> psm0: model Synaptics Touchpad, device ID 0 >> pmtimer0 on isa0 >> orm0: at iomem >> 0xc0000-0xcbfff,0xcc000-0xd5fff,0xdc000-0xe3fff on isa0 >> sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 >> sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> >> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 >> ums0: vendor 0x1241 product 0x1177, rev 1.10/2.00, addr 2, iclass 3/1 >> ums0: 3 buttons and Z dir. >> Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1600064936 Hz quality 800 >> Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec >> ad0: 57231MB at ata0-master UDMA100 >> acd0: DVDR at ata1-master UDMA33 >> acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out >> acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out >> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a >> acd0: FAILURE - READ_SUBCHANNEL timed out >> acd0: FAILURE - PAUSE ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0xb9 ascq=0x00 >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hello, logically, you don't need to mount your music cd with xmms. It is necessary to configure the xmms plugin and tat all. I tested with the root user but i have the same problem. Have you others suggestions ? Thank you so much :) From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 12 14:58:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FD216A415 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:58:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@hausro.de) Received: from mail3.netbeat.de (mail3.netbeat.de [83.243.58.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8870143D53 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:58:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@hausro.de) Received: (qmail 22749 invoked by uid 89); 12 Nov 2006 14:58:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Rage) (86.104.204.154) by mail3.netbeat.de with SMTP; 12 Nov 2006 14:58:44 -0000 Message-ID: <033101c7066b$0436b530$847ba8c0@Rage> From: "ANdrei" To: References: <4556566A.5010505@gmail.com> <021601c705fd$61f3f070$847ba8c0@Rage> <455718B7.3000009@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:58:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slimtype DVDRW SOSw-833S/VRS2 ATA/ATAPI X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:58:23 -0000 i thought you have an issue with _all_ types of CDs, hence my suggestion. I am pretty sure that if you just can't listen to audio CDs (but data CDs work) it's not a _hardware_ issue, and this would not be the proper list for it (but I might be wrong, as I don't use audio so much :) nevertheless, I don't normally use audio CDs (last time looong ago) so I don't have any other ideas on the spot... maybe it would be usefull anyway to tell us if you can properly use data CDs/DVDs, so at least other issues are ruled out... and sorry for the misleading first answer, seems I didn't get the idea right away ;) good luck, ANdrei http://students.oamk.fi/~t6ruan00/ ------ Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivier Régnier" To: "ANdrei" ; Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Slimtype DVDRW SOSw-833S/VRS2 ATA/ATAPI > ANdrei a écrit : >> hi. >> >> i don't want to sound like a smartass, but did u try to use it as root? >> also, can u mount data cd's? that should give you a start as to know if >> your drive is supported, and I actually doubt it that there is _any_ >> unsupported normal drive, as FreeBSD doesn't care about the exact type >> of drive, but about the type: Atapi, SCSI etc... And if you can mount a >> data cd as root, it means you just do smtg wrong (we can get through >> this tomorrow or later and figure that out, let's just start by seeing >> if data cds work :) btw, if data cd works, try listening to an audio cd >> as root, and if that works too (pretty sure it will) then smtg is wrong >> with the permissions ;) >> >> >> good luck, >> ANdrei >> http://students.oamk.fi/~t6ruan00/ >> ------ >> Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down >> to their level then beat you with experience... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivier Régnier" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 1:02 AM >> Subject: Slimtype DVDRW SOSw-833S/VRS2 ATA/ATAPI >> >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm running on FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10 and i would like to listen a >>> music cd, to look a dvd film or to burn a cd data but i can't do that. >>> The material is new. Here some information about it: >>> >>> - Acer Aspire 3002WLMI >>> - Mobile AMD Sempron processor 2800+ >>> - 15.4 WXGA wide TFT LCD >>> - 60GB HDD >>> - DVD-Dual (Support DVD+R Double Layer/DVD+RW) >>> - 512MB DDR >>> - 802.11b/g wireless LAN >>> >>> To use my DVD/CD burner, i compiled my kernel with these parameters: >>> >>> # --------------- >>> # Kernel. >>> # --------------- >>> >>> # Options >>> options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem >>> >>> # ATA and ATAPI devices >>> device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives >>> >>> # SCSI peripherals >>> device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) >>> device da # Direct Access (disks) >>> >>> # ATAPI/CAM >>> device atapicam >>> >>> if you looks the dmesg file, i obtain these lines: >>> >>> acd0: DVDR at ata1-master UDMA33 >>> acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out >>> acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out >>> acd0: FAILURE - READ_SUBCHANNEL timed out >>> acd0: FAILURE - PAUSE ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0xb9 ascq=0x00 >>> >>> Well, after i activated the dma for the dvd/cd burner with this line in >>> my loader.conf: >>> >>> hw.ata.atapi_dma="1" >>> >>> After the new kernel is installed, and the system is rebooted, i >>> modified my devfs.conf file >>> with the good permissions, i think: >>> >>> own xpt0 olivier >>> perm xpt0 0660 >>> >>> own acd0 olivier >>> perm acd0 0660 >>> >>> link acd0 cdrom >>> link acd0 dvd >>> >>> then, i tested my dvd/cd burner with xmms. I push on the play button, >>> the cdrom engages and after 1 second, more nothing. Second test, i used >>> mplayer to look my dvd film and nothing. I don't know what happened >>> with it. >>> Perhaps FreeBSD doesn't support my Slimtype DVDRW ? But if i use the >>> atacontrol list command, i have this: >>> >>> ATA channel 1: >>> Master: acd0 ATA/ATAPI revision 5 >>> Slave: no device present >>> >>> It is terrible, when you cannot use your material. With Microsoft >>> Windows, I do not have any problem and on the same laptop. Estranged no >>> ? But i want to stay on FreeBSD to find a solution. My situation is >>> delicate. >>> >>> Could you help me about this ? >>> >>> Thank you very much. >>> >>> Olivier Regnier. >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >>> Copyright (c) 1992-2006 The FreeBSD Project. >>> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 >>> The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. >>> FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10 #3: Sat Nov 11 23:23:51 UTC 2006 >>> root@elipse:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/ORION >>> ACPI APIC Table: >>> Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 >>> CPU: Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2800+ (1600.06-MHz 686-class CPU) >>> Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x10fc0 Stepping = 0 >>> >>> Features=0x78bfbff >>> >>> AMD Features=0xc2500800 >>> AMD Features2=0x1 >>> real memory = 468647936 (446 MB) >>> avail memory = 449200128 (428 MB) >>> ACPI-0377: *** Info: Table [SSDT] replaced by host OS >>> ACPI: overriding DSDT/SSDT with custom table >>> ACPI-0377: *** Info: Table [DSDT] replaced by host OS >>> MADT: Forcing active-low polarity and level trigger for SCI >>> ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard >>> wlan: mac acl policy registered >>> acpi0: on motherboard >>> acpi0: Power Button (fixed) >>> unknown: I/O range not supported >>> acpi_ec0: port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 >>> Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 >>> acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x8008-0x800b on acpi0 >>> cpu0: on acpi0 >>> pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 >>> pci0: on pcib0 >>> agp0: mem 0xe0000000-0xe1ffffff at device >>> 0.0 on pci0 >>> pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 >>> pci1: on pcib1 >>> pci1: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) >>> isab0: at device 2.0 on pci0 >>> isa0: on isab0 >>> atapci0: port >>> 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x2000-0x200f at device 2.5 on pci0 >>> ata0: on atapci0 >>> ata1: on atapci0 >>> pci0: at device 2.6 (no driver attached) >>> pcm0: port 0x1400-0x14ff,0x1c80-0x1cff irq 18 at device 2.7 >>> on pci0 >>> pcm0: >>> ohci0: mem 0xe2002000-0xe2002fff irq 20 at >>> device 3.0 on pci0 >>> ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >>> usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support >>> usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting >>> usb0: on ohci0 >>> usb0: USB revision 1.0 >>> uhub0: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 >>> uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered >>> ohci1: mem 0xe2003000-0xe2003fff irq 21 at >>> device 3.1 on pci0 >>> ohci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] >>> usb1: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support >>> usb1: SMM does not respond, resetting >>> usb1: on ohci1 >>> usb1: USB revision 1.0 >>> uhub1: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 >>> uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered >>> ehci0: mem 0xe2004000-0xe2004fff >>> irq 23 at device 3.2 on pci0 >>> ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >>> usb2: EHCI version 1.0 >>> usb2: companion controllers, 3 ports each: usb0 usb1 >>> usb2: on ehci0 >>> usb2: USB revision 2.0 >>> uhub2: SiS EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 >>> uhub2: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered >>> sis0: port 0x1800-0x18ff mem >>> 0xe2005000-0xe2005fff irq 19 at device 4.0 on pci0 >>> miibus0: on sis0 >>> rlphy0: on miibus0 >>> rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto >>> sis0: Ethernet address: 00:c0:9f:a4:d2:f0 >>> cbb0: at device 6.0 on pci0 >>> cardbus0: on cbb0 >>> pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 >>> ndis0: mem 0xe2000000-0xe2001fff >>> irq 17 at device 11.0 on pci0 >>> ndis0: NDIS API version: 5.1 >>> ndis0: Ethernet address: 00:0e:9b:d3:b5:7e >>> acpi_acad0: on acpi0 >>> battery0: on acpi0 >>> acpi_lid0: on acpi0 >>> acpi_button0: on acpi0 >>> acpi_button1: on acpi0 >>> acpi_tz0: on acpi0 >>> atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 >>> atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 >>> kbd0 at atkbd0 >>> atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >>> psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 >>> psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] >>> psm0: model Synaptics Touchpad, device ID 0 >>> pmtimer0 on isa0 >>> orm0: at iomem >>> 0xc0000-0xcbfff,0xcc000-0xd5fff,0xdc000-0xe3fff on isa0 >>> sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 >>> sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> >>> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on >>> isa0 >>> ums0: vendor 0x1241 product 0x1177, rev 1.10/2.00, addr 2, iclass 3/1 >>> ums0: 3 buttons and Z dir. >>> Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1600064936 Hz quality 800 >>> Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec >>> ad0: 57231MB at ata0-master UDMA100 >>> acd0: DVDR at ata1-master UDMA33 >>> acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out >>> acd0: FAILURE - PREVENT_ALLOW timed out >>> Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a >>> acd0: FAILURE - READ_SUBCHANNEL timed out >>> acd0: FAILURE - PAUSE ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0xb9 ascq=0x00 >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > Hello, > > logically, you don't need to mount your music cd with xmms. It is > necessary to configure the xmms plugin and tat all. I tested with the > root user but i have the same problem. Have you others suggestions ? > > Thank you so much :) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 09:18:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3E016AEA4 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) Received: from swip.net (mailfe08.swip.net [212.247.154.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F5843D58 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:18:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) X-T2-Posting-ID: IwyKMFz/mwT0D4v/+WKIQA== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Received: from [193.216.88.61] (account mc467741@c2i.net HELO [10.0.0.249]) by mailfe08.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.12) with ESMTPA id 323506052; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:24:15 +0100 From: Hans Petter Selasky To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:23:52 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <4556566A.5010505@gmail.com> <455718B7.3000009@gmail.com> <033101c7066b$0436b530$847ba8c0@Rage> In-Reply-To: <033101c7066b$0436b530$847ba8c0@Rage> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200611130923.54426.hselasky@c2i.net> Cc: regnier.olivier@gmail.com, ANdrei Subject: Re: Slimtype DVDRW SOSw-833S/VRS2 ATA/ATAPI X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:18:47 -0000 On Sunday 12 November 2006 15:58, ANdrei wrote: > i thought you have an issue with _all_ types of CDs, hence my suggestion. > I am pretty sure that if you just can't listen to audio CDs (but data CDs > work) it's not a _hardware_ issue, and this would not be the proper list > for it (but I might be wrong, as I don't use audio so much :) > > nevertheless, I don't normally use audio CDs (last time looong ago) so I > don't have any other ideas on the spot... > maybe it would be usefull anyway to tell us if you can properly use data > CDs/DVDs, so at least other issues are ruled out... > > and sorry for the misleading first answer, seems I didn't get the idea > right away ;) > You probably have to set PIO mode hw.ata.atapi_dma="0" to be able to listen to music CD's --HPS From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 10:29:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF6716A417 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:29:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madis555@hot.ee) Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee (smtp-out.neti.ee [194.126.126.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 806AA43D6E for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:29:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from madis555@hot.ee) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by MXR-4.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46594171E94 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:29:43 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.3 (20060930) (Debian) at neti.ee Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (MXR-2.estpak.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jfqs5xum7JMx for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:29:41 +0200 (EET) Received: from Relayhost2.neti.ee (Relayhost2 [192.168.1.102]) by MXR-4.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9E8171DE2 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:29:41 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <45584912.5050503@hot.ee> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:29:38 +0200 From: Sulev-Madis Silber User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0648-0, 12.11.2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:29:45 -0000 Hello. I have a machine called DEC Celebris GL 6200 here. 128MB RAM, 200MHz PPro. When I tried to boot at first 6.1-RELEASE, then 6.2-BETA2 on it, I got error "Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up" and can't boot. However, it seems to recognize memory size correctly. Also passed memtest. I've tried to change BIOS settings, same results. Then, I tried 4.11-RELEASE... surprisely, works fine. Has anyone any idea about this issue? Sure, machine is bit old, but is that all? Thanks for any comments on this. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 11:31:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AB316A49E for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:31:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA64443D7E for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:31:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75925F64; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:31:29 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CCD5EC1; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:31:29 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id kADBVYYJ028696; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:31:34 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:31:34 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Sulev-Madis Silber Message-ID: <20061113113134.GD25008@rambler-co.ru> References: <45584912.5050503@hot.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+nBD6E3TurpgldQp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45584912.5050503@hot.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:31:37 -0000 --+nBD6E3TurpgldQp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 12:29:38PM +0200, Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > Hello. >=20 > I have a machine called DEC Celebris GL 6200 here. 128MB RAM, 200MHz PPro. >=20 > When I tried to boot at first 6.1-RELEASE, then 6.2-BETA2 on it, I got > error "Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up" and > can't boot. However, it seems to recognize memory size correctly. Also > passed memtest. I've tried to change BIOS settings, same results. Then, > I tried 4.11-RELEASE... surprisely, works fine. >=20 > Has anyone any idea about this issue? Sure, machine is bit old, but is > that all? >=20 > Thanks for any comments on this. >=20 Show us the SMAP data (printed at the very beginning of the verbose boot), or paste the output of the "smap" loader(8) command (only available in recent versions of loader(8)), which provides the same info. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --+nBD6E3TurpgldQp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFWFeWqRfpzJluFF4RAgk7AJ96pzzgFd5YQtTR5XnZBN2+AeiruACfeErC GlN0UAcTOkVwOrhD+oy07As= =97wf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+nBD6E3TurpgldQp-- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 14:46:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7893716A47B; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madis555@hot.ee) Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee (smtp-out.neti.ee [194.126.126.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035DD43E25; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:45:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from madis555@hot.ee) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by MXR-5.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264121893F8; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:45:25 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.3 (20060930) (Debian) at neti.ee Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (MXR-2.estpak.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PRSNSouQAxCv; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:45:20 +0200 (EET) Received: from Relayhost2.neti.ee (Relayhost2 [192.168.1.102]) by MXR-5.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E171894AB; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:45:20 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <455884FF.1000304@hot.ee> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:45:19 +0200 From: Sulev-Madis Silber User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruslan Ermilov References: <45584912.5050503@hot.ee> <20061113113134.GD25008@rambler-co.ru> In-Reply-To: <20061113113134.GD25008@rambler-co.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0648-0, 12.11.2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:46:39 -0000 SMAP type=01 base=0000000000000000 len=000000000009fc00 SMAP type=02 base=000000000009fc00 len=0000000000000400 SMAP type=02 base=00000000000f1e6c len=000000000000e194 SMAP type=02 base=00000000fec00000 len=0000000000001000 SMAP type=02 base=00000000fee00000 len=0000000000001000 SMAP type=01 base=0000000000100000 len=0000000000f00000 SMAP type=01 base=0000000000100000 len=0000000000f00000 Overlapping or non-montonic memory region, ignoring second region SMAP type=01 base=0000000001000000 len=0000000007000000 SMAP type=02 base=00000000ffff1e6c len=000000000000e194 Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 21 17:21:22 GMT 2005 root@perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Show us the SMAP data (printed at the very beginning of the verbose > boot), or paste the output of the "smap" loader(8) command (only > available in recent versions of loader(8)), which provides the same > info. > > > Cheers, From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 16:46:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6F816A47B for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:46:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF8743DD4 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:45:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90185F8A; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:45:42 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8767B5EB9; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:45:42 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id kADGjmJr048211; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:45:48 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:45:48 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Sulev-Madis Silber Message-ID: <20061113164548.GA47901@rambler-co.ru> References: <45584912.5050503@hot.ee> <20061113113134.GD25008@rambler-co.ru> <455884FF.1000304@hot.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <455884FF.1000304@hot.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:46:09 -0000 --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 04:45:19PM +0200, Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > Show us the SMAP data (printed at the very beginning of the verbose > > boot), or paste the output of the "smap" loader(8) command (only > > available in recent versions of loader(8)), which provides the same > > info. > >=20 > SMAP type=3D01 base=3D0000000000000000 len=3D000000000009fc00 > SMAP type=3D02 base=3D000000000009fc00 len=3D0000000000000400 > SMAP type=3D02 base=3D00000000000f1e6c len=3D000000000000e194 > SMAP type=3D02 base=3D00000000fec00000 len=3D0000000000001000 > SMAP type=3D02 base=3D00000000fee00000 len=3D0000000000001000 > SMAP type=3D01 base=3D0000000000100000 len=3D0000000000f00000 > SMAP type=3D01 base=3D0000000000100000 len=3D0000000000f00000 > Overlapping or non-montonic memory region, ignoring second region > SMAP type=3D01 base=3D0000000001000000 len=3D0000000007000000 > SMAP type=3D02 base=3D00000000ffff1e6c len=3D000000000000e194 > Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 21 17:21:22 GMT 2005 > root@perseus.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >=20 And how does it look like on 6.2-BETA? The full verbose boot if possible (over a serial console)? It's not clear exactly WHERE it hangs when you boot 6.2. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFWKE8qRfpzJluFF4RArYkAJ40b6ivGo/985vngqo9mCBxaQ4PCACeN5WK 38IfDppTYtdH7yTlqn6xHVs= =WSVi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 17:50:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F4316A4C2; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from madis555@hot.ee) Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee (smtp-out.neti.ee [194.126.126.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFB643DC7; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:48:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from madis555@hot.ee) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.3 (20060930) (Debian) at neti.ee Message-ID: <4558AFE1.2020406@hot.ee> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:48:17 +0200 From: Sulev-Madis Silber User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruslan Ermilov References: <45584912.5050503@hot.ee> <20061113113134.GD25008@rambler-co.ru> <455884FF.1000304@hot.ee> <20061113164548.GA47901@rambler-co.ru> In-Reply-To: <20061113164548.GA47901@rambler-co.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0648-1, 13.11.2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:50:19 -0000 Strange :) I managed to boot... 6.2-BETA3 If anyone cares how it looked like: http://viki.life.ee/~ketas/celebris-6.2-beta3.log And sorry about wrong output, I thought you meant just a SMAP. Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > And how does it look like on 6.2-BETA? The full verbose boot > if possible (over a serial console)? It's not clear exactly > WHERE it hangs when you boot 6.2. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 18:09:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8174516A494; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:09:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB25B43E33; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:07:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kADI7YqA014502; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:07:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:07:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45584912.5050503@hot.ee> <20061113164548.GA47901@rambler-co.ru> <4558AFE1.2020406@hot.ee> In-Reply-To: <4558AFE1.2020406@hot.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200611131307.33688.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:07:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/2190/Mon Nov 13 04:31:57 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Ruslan Ermilov Subject: Re: Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:09:59 -0000 On Monday 13 November 2006 12:48, Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > Strange :) I managed to boot... 6.2-BETA3 Yeah, beta3 extends the arrays so they can handle more regions. > If anyone cares how it looked like: > http://viki.life.ee/~ketas/celebris-6.2-beta3.log > > And sorry about wrong output, I thought you meant just a SMAP. > > > Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > And how does it look like on 6.2-BETA? The full verbose boot > > if possible (over a serial console)? It's not clear exactly > > WHERE it hangs when you boot 6.2. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 18:18:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACF816A40F for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:18:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F4B43DE1 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:13:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3686037; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:13:50 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB0B6031; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:13:50 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id kADIDuvS065509; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:13:56 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:13:56 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Sulev-Madis Silber Message-ID: <20061113181356.GA65354@rambler-co.ru> References: <45584912.5050503@hot.ee> <20061113113134.GD25008@rambler-co.ru> <455884FF.1000304@hot.ee> <20061113164548.GA47901@rambler-co.ru> <4558AFE1.2020406@hot.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4558AFE1.2020406@hot.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:18:19 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 07:48:17PM +0200, Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > Strange :) I managed to boot... 6.2-BETA3 >=20 > If anyone cares how it looked like: > http://viki.life.ee/~ketas/celebris-6.2-beta3.log >=20 > And sorry about wrong output, I thought you meant just a SMAP. >=20 There's no "giving up"=A0message in the output you quoted; this message is displayed when there's a high number of physical memory chunks (more than 16 for FreeBSD6/i386). Normally, a number of chunks would be equal to the number of non-intersecting SMAP type=3D01 (RAM) chunks, which is far below this point in your casse. Another reason to get a high number of chunks is =66rom probing the memory (the first byte of each physical page excluding kernel space is written in four different ways, and if it doesn't read what it wrote it would result in a memory gap and as a consequence a new element in the physical map array). If you SOMETIMES get this message, this could be indicative of either bad memory or bad memory-related options in the BIOS. Boot it several times and make sure that the message never shows up. If later you'll get random kernel/userland traps this could also be indicative of bad memory. HTH. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFWLXkqRfpzJluFF4RAn2qAJ9glubucXzUkk9+XLFxCzrAVFMqCgCeMf0K 70LghTgVK5ZVZ8NITQl74t4= =NXbW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 18:50:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4692B16A526; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899BC440D0; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:41:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ru@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94CA5F5B; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:41:09 +0300 (MSK) Received: from edoofus.park.rambler.ru (unknown [81.19.65.108]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979445F47; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:41:09 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from ru@localhost) by edoofus.park.rambler.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) id kADIfFnA065780; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:41:15 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:41:15 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20061113184115.GA65671@rambler-co.ru> References: <45584912.5050503@hot.ee> <20061113164548.GA47901@rambler-co.ru> <4558AFE1.2020406@hot.ee> <200611131307.33688.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200611131307.33688.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: No virus found Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Too many holes in the physical address space, giving up? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:50:42 -0000 --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 01:07:33PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > On Monday 13 November 2006 12:48, Sulev-Madis Silber wrote: > > Strange :) I managed to boot... 6.2-BETA3 >=20 > Yeah, beta3 extends the arrays so they can handle more regions. >=20 It's still strange because he was able to boot 4.11 which also has the same old limit of four chunks ((10 - 2) / 2) of RAM, he has three non-overlappping RAM chunks reported by SMAP, and I fail to see how it ends up using five chunks. Odd... There's a problem with the PHYS_AVAIL_ARRAY_END in RELENG_4 (type mismatch): vm_paddr_t phys_avail[10]; /* must be 2 less so 0 0 can signal end of chunks */ #define PHYS_AVAIL_ARRAY_END ((sizeof(phys_avail) / sizeof(vm_offset_t)) - = 2) But it's only applicable to RELENG_4 and PAE. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFWLxLqRfpzJluFF4RAoQCAJ9dnu/SiS3lrYif0yTN26zUJ3FMGACePGJX ufXzbMPOH5raIMzENUbyqNo= =aQky -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx-- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 15 08:04:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B823616A403 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:04:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from v.zakharov@ttgroup.ru) Received: from fs.ttgroup.ru (fs.ttgroup.ru [195.146.66.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE8443D58 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:04:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from v.zakharov@ttgroup.ru) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:07:12 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: help me with new intel hardware Thread-Index: AccIjQ3d8jLReW/CQg6uWYWYVjMk/A== From: "Vladimir Zakharov" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: help me with new intel hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:04:44 -0000 Hi all! =20 Please help me!!! I can't find network drivers for Intel S5000PAL motherboard. I know, that new 6.2 release will support it, but I can't wait!!!! =20 =20 Vladimir Zakharov =20 =20 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 15 08:37:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EC816A403 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:37:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from piroman99@yandex.ru) Received: from smtp1.yandex.ru (smtp1.yandex.ru [213.180.223.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B480443D49 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:37:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from piroman99@yandex.ru) Received: from ppp85-140-58-153.pppoe.mtu-net.ru ([85.140.58.153]:44818 "EHLO [192.168.1.3]" smtp-auth: "piroman99" TLS-CIPHER: "DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA keybits 256/256 version TLSv1/SSLv3" TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S2078728AbWKOIhs (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:37:48 +0300 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp1.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: piroman99 Message-ID: <455AD1AD.5050303@yandex.ru> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:37:01 +0300 From: Ivan Karpoukhin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: help me with new intel hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:37:58 -0000 Vladimir Zakharov > Hi all! > > > > Please help me!!! > > I can't find network drivers for Intel S5000PAL motherboard. I know, > that new 6.2 release will support it, but I can't wait!!!! > > > > > Try FreeBSD 6.2 beta 3 http://www.freebsd.org/where.html#helptest From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 15 09:15:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FB016A492 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vb@uvttk.ru) Received: from mx.uvttk.ru (mx.uvttk.ru [213.129.97.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA40B43D7E for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:15:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vb@uvttk.ru) X-AntiVirus-Scanning: checked Received: from [10.16.1.130] (HELO bobrov) by mx.uvttk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with SMTP id 3710913 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:14:57 +0300 Message-ID: <015901c70896$8558e2a0$8201100a@yugovostok.transtk.ru> From: "Valery V. Bobrov" To: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:14:57 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="koi8-r"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: problem with installing 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:15:13 -0000 Hi! I downloaded ISO from official site and wrote onto CD disk I tried to install FReeBSD version 6.1 and I faced the following problem: The Sysinstall program writes: unable to transfer the base distribution from acd0 write failure on transfer (wrote 1 bytes of 1425400) What sort of problem? Thank you in advance Version 5.4 installed successful on the same server Yours faithfully Valery e-mail: From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 16 15:22:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE64916A494 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C57A43D58 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:21:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A5174.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.81.116]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAGFLk9P065432; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:21:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kAGFLcsZ016900; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:21:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kAGFLcVc094348; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:21:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id kAGFLc4p094347; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:21:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:21:38 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200611161521.kAGFLc4p094347@fire.jhs.private> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen Fcc: sent User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org X-URL: http://berklix.com/~jhs/cv/ X-Fallback: jhs@mail.brierdr.com, jhs@freebsd.org, jhs@berklix.net Subject: HDMI cards ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:22:04 -0000 FreeBSD Hardware people, I'm about to buy a big TV, (for TV not as console). For FreeBSD+Xorg linkage I presume DVI is the interface needed, & DVI-I not DVI-D ? & HDMI to be avoided ? I don't know if FreeBSD & X even drives cards for HDMI ? To future proof: If a DVI or HDMI card later dies & need replacing, Question of what'll then be popular: I suppose DVI will migrate to normal PC main boards later, not HDMI. (HDMI has inbuilt HDCP, (whereas DVI has HDCP only if TV also has "HD Ready" as mine will have), so perhaps 1 more reason DVI will win & HDMI may die, to avoid Hollywood crippling ?) PS Acronym & resolution notes here http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/txt/tv.html Julian -- Julian Stacey. 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Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. http://berklix.org/free-software From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 16 18:48:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F99516A4D8 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:48:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gcorcoran@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F44143D4C for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:48:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gcorcoran@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2006 13:48:19 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id MNM99535; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-55-230.c3-0.tlg-ubr5.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com (HELO [10.56.78.161]) ([207.172.55.230]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2006 13:48:02 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,430,1157342400"; d="scan'208"; a="313054535:sNHT29220570" Message-ID: <455CB270.2070908@rcn.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:48:16 -0500 From: Gary Corcoran User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Stacey References: <200611161521.kAGFLc4p094347@fire.jhs.private> In-Reply-To: <200611161521.kAGFLc4p094347@fire.jhs.private> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090205.455CB1C8.00AB,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.121/2006-09-27 Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDMI cards ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:48:21 -0000 Julian Stacey wrote: > FreeBSD Hardware people, > I'm about to buy a big TV, (for TV not as console). For FreeBSD+Xorg > linkage I presume DVI is the interface needed, & DVI-I not DVI-D ? > & HDMI to be avoided ? I don't know if FreeBSD & X even drives cards > for HDMI ? > > To future proof: If a DVI or HDMI card later dies & need replacing, > Question of what'll then be popular: I suppose DVI will migrate > to normal PC main boards later, not HDMI. (HDMI has inbuilt HDCP, > (whereas DVI has HDCP only if TV also has "HD Ready" as mine will > have), so perhaps 1 more reason DVI will win & HDMI may die, to > avoid Hollywood crippling ?) > > PS Acronym & resolution notes here http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/txt/tv.html Essentially all new big screen (Hi-Def) TVs come with an HDMI connector. Some also include a DVI connector as well. HDMI is digital video, plus audio, in one cable. DVI carries video only. However DVI (digital) video and HDMI video are compatible - you only need a cable with the right connectors on it to convert from one to the other. Unfortunately they tend to charge outrageous prices for such cables though (at least for now). You are correct that everything with an HDMI connector includes the capability for HDCP. However most PC video cards with a DVI connector do NOT yet include HDCP. It costs a few cents more for the HDCP license and to include a unique ID number chip on the card, so most manufacturers haven't done it yet. However with the requirement of HDCP for Blu-Ray disc playback on a PC, more video cards will be getting HDCP capability added on. Of course you'll need either a PC video monitor with HDCP capability (some already exist) or a TV with HDMI/DVI which has HDCP. However if the "user" of the video card (e.g. something *other* than Blu-Ray/HD playback software) doesn't (require) turn on of HDCP then you can connect any video monitor/TV. So unless you plan on using Windows to do software Blu-Ray (or someday HD DVD) playback, HDCP capability on your video card doesn't matter to you. However having HDCP _capability_ won't "hurt" anything - it just won't get turned on by FreeBSD software (e.g. X Windows). Or, looking at it the other way around, if this is your concern: you should, with the right cable, be able to connect an existing (non-HDCP) DVI video card to your shiny new TV's HDMI connector and it will work, as it will just send unencrypted digital video over the connection to the TV, since the HDCP handshake will never take place, as the video card doesn't request it. At least that's my understanding - I haven't bitten the bullet and gotten a new TV - yet, though I try to keep up with things and I'm interested in buying. Because HDMI includes audio, I don't see HDMI connectors showing up on video cards, because of the variety of audio solutions (e.g. plug-in card, built-in). However it is possible that a motherboard which has video + audio built-in could support an HDMI connector. But since that would be the exception, and thus PC video monitors will probably still use DVI, I would think that all PC video connectors will remain DVI, to be compatible with the monitors. Until, of course, we *all* start getting monitors so big (in resolution) that DVI can't handle the bandwidth... ;-) Does this answer your questions/concerns? Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 16 19:22:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C00316A407 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:22:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBADB43D46 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:21:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A5174.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.81.116]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAGJLnEd066031; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:21:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kAGJLeMg017864; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:21:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kAGJLeGR099996; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:21:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200611161921.kAGJLeGR099996@fire.jhs.private> To: Gary Corcoran From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org X-URL: http://berklix.com X-Fallback: jhs@mail.brierdr.com, jhs@freebsd.org, jhs@berklix.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:48:16 EST." <455CB270.2070908@rcn.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:21:40 +0100 Sender: jhs@flat.berklix.net Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HDMI cards ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:22:10 -0000 > Does this answer your questions/concerns? > Gary Thanks Gary, it helps a lot. I need to think about it more now :-) -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. 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