From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 01:14:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C37016A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:14:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cell.sick.ru (cell.sick.ru [217.72.144.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E66043D62 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:14:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cell.sick.ru (glebius@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.sick.ru (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0F1E65B014620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:14:06 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.sick.ru (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id k0F1E0I9014619; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:14:00 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.sick.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:14:00 +0300 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Danial Thom Message-ID: <20060115011400.GM83922@FreeBSD.org> References: <20060111133229.GF98918@over-yonder.net> <20060111134814.19609.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060111134814.19609.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, ann kok , "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: freebsd router X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:14:13 -0000 On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 05:48:14AM -0800, Danial Thom wrote: D> I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning for D> thinking so. There is little argument that D> FreeBSD 4.x is perhaps the fastest Uniprocessor D> O/S ever created for networking. SMP will likely D> never be able to match it. It certainly can't D> now, in the current state of development. D> D> Routing is fastest when implemented as a single D> process task. Once you start chopping up D> (threading) the path you slow it down. While it D> could be possible to have a faster routing D> subsystem on a custom-designed MP O/S, its not D> practical to build a general purpose O/S in such D> a way. D> D> So freebsd 4.x it is. Freebsd 4.x can route 25% D> more traffic than its 5.x counterpart on the same D> hardware. 5.x SMP is actually worse (as it drops D> more packets at high traffic levels, and FreeBSD D> 4.x never drops packets until its overrun). Do you have more exact information? I mean: - Description of the test setup. - How packet stream was generated? - How success/loss was measured? - What hardware was used: CPU, mobo, NICs. - What settings were non-default. - And finally exact numbers - pps success/loss. And don't waste your time comparing 5.x and 4.x. Please compare 4.x and 6.0. The 5.x is a previous step. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 04:16:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A593A16A420; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:16:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F291B43D45; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:16:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3886462C843; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:16:22 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20434-02; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:16:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-222-82-85.eastlink.ca [24.222.82.85]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE8762C841; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:16:21 -0400 (AST) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B6B5A46210; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:16:19 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CAB460F0; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:16:19 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:16:19 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060115001439.T28752@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Linux binary of Apache/PHP ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:16:23 -0000 Does anyone know *what* is involved in setting this up under FreeBSD? I have a client that purchased a Linux license for PHPLib (his old hosting company was Linux based), and I've email'd PHPLib and there is no way of 'changing' the license ... Is there an easy way of doing this? :( ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 07:23:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF6616A41F for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:23:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fcash@ocis.net) Received: from smtp.sd73.bc.ca (smtp.sd73.bc.ca [142.24.13.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3706B43D45 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:23:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fcash@ocis.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09E08A004C; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.sd73.bc.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.sd73.bc.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19897-02-5; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from imap.sd73.bc.ca (smtp.sd73.bc.ca [10.10.10.15]) by smtp.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8CD8A002C; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by imap.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix, from userid 80) id 0C92018CCB1; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from 24.71.118.34 (SquirrelMail authenticated user fcash) by imap.sd73.bc.ca with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:23:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <61570.24.71.118.34.1137309787.squirrel@imap.sd73.bc.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060114203823.GA56577@uk.tiscali.com> References: <375DD163B075E34EA3C10A6286E34A54C1D4B5@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> <43C7A18D.8060904@centtech.com> <43C7B008.8060404@matrixhome.net> <20060114131427.GA5349@uk.tiscali.com> <43C9204A.1020401@matrixhome.net> <20060114203823.GA56577@uk.tiscali.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Freddie Cash" To: "Brian Candler" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.1 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at sd73.bc.ca Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: fcash@ocis.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:23:14 -0000 On Sat, January 14, 2006 12:38 pm, Brian Candler wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:01:14PM +0200, Alexander wrote: >> I think, that ipfw is native for FreeBSD - it works better than >> other packet filters. Am I right? > Not really. For NAT in particular, ipfw is pretty awful. You need an > external daemon (natd) and have to route packets to and from it, which > works fine if you have a very simple configuration (e.g. single > external interface, basic NAT-everything-going-out or NAT all RFC1918 > address space). More complex scenarios can be an utter nightmare to > configure properly. IPFW in FreeBSD 6.0 includes support for in-kernel NAT using the nat keyword. Just recompile the kernel with "options LIBALIAS" to enable it. I haven't tested it just yet (my home firewall is recompiling it all right now), but the stuff I've read online makes it seem like it should be on-par with IPFilter/PF's nat. Don't know if it qualifies as a complex scenario or not, but we use P2-333 MHz systems with 256 MB RAM running FreeBSD 5.3 using IPFW/natd. All stations behind the firewall are in an RFC1918 network. Some stations are given public IPs for access using 1-for-1 NAT on the firewall, and all the rest go out via standard 1-to-many NAT. So far, no issues to speak of. [knock wood] We even have multiple VPNs configured and use fwd rules to pass packets through them. -- Freddie Cash fcash@ocis.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 08:05:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D51416A41F; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:05:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mail.localelinks.com (web.localelinks.com [64.39.75.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE3B43D45; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:05:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (adsl-072-148-013-213.sip.jan.bellsouth.net [72.148.13.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.localelinks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF5DAD; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 02:05:30 -0600 (CST) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3AF9A61C21; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 02:05:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 02:05:29 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060115080529.GD40810@over-yonder.net> References: <20060115001439.T28752@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060115001439.T28752@ganymede.hub.org> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11-fullermd.2 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux binary of Apache/PHP ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:05:31 -0000 On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 12:16:19AM -0400 I heard the voice of Marc G. Fournier, and lo! it spake thus: > > Does anyone know *what* is involved in setting this up under > FreeBSD? Maybe you could chroot into the Linux compat tree (so all your commands are the Linux commands running through the emulation) and install the RPM's? -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 10:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E7616A41F; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:43:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roth@droopy.unibe.ch) Received: from mailhub04.unibe.ch (mailhub04.unibe.ch [130.92.9.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF32C43D49; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:43:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roth@droopy.unibe.ch) Received: from localhost (scanhub01-eth0.unibe.ch [130.92.254.65]) by mailhub04.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5337C1BB09; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:43:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from mailhub04.unibe.ch ([130.92.9.71]) by localhost (scanhub01.unibe.ch [130.92.254.65]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11377-02-98; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:43:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from asterix.unibe.ch (asterix.unibe.ch [130.92.64.4]) by mailhub04.unibe.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CA21BB08; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:43:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from droopy.unibe.ch (droopy [130.92.64.20]) by asterix.unibe.ch (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k0FAhn8Z029404; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:43:49 +0100 (MET) Received: (from roth@localhost) by droopy.unibe.ch (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.9/Submit) id k0FAhlCh028833; Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:43:47 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:43:47 +0100 From: Tobias Roth To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20060115104347.GA28797@droopy.unibe.ch> References: <20060115001439.T28752@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060115001439.T28752@ganymede.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-message-flag: Warning! Using Outlook is insecure and promotes virus distribution. Please use a different email client. X-Virus-checked: by University of Berne Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux binary of Apache/PHP ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 10:43:53 -0000 On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 12:16:19AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Does anyone know *what* is involved in setting this up under FreeBSD? I > have a client that purchased a Linux license for PHPLib (his old hosting > company was Linux based), and I've email'd PHPLib and there is no way of > 'changing' the license ... This may not be what you want to hear, but you should instist on them changing the license. Call them. Ask for the boss. Then ask why such a simple thing as switching is not possible. Promise them a written agreement that you will destroy the old license once you received the new one, and maybe offer to renew the license in advance, if the license is limited. The exact thing happened to us a few weeks ago, with a different product. We received an email stating that the license is not changable, because if they'd change it, we would surely not delete the old license and so on. This was after we already sent a written agreement that we would not continue using the old license. So basically, they were accusing us of cheating, despite that we already bought their product. A phone call to their boss surely cleared things up quickly. 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Today's Topics: 1. Re: FreeBSD as Server (Eric Anderson) 2. Re: FreeBSD as Server (Brian Candler) 3. Re: FreeBSD as Server (Bob Martin) 4. Re: FreeBSD as Server (Bill Vermillion) 5. Re: FreeBSD as Server (Alexander) 6. Re: FreeBSD as Server (Brian Candler) 7. Re: freebsd router (Gleb Smirnoff) 8. Linux binary of Apache/PHP ... (Marc G. Fournier) 9. Re: FreeBSD as Server (Freddie Cash) 10. Re: Linux binary of Apache/PHP ... (Matthew D. Fuller) 11. Re: Linux binary of Apache/PHP ... (Tobias Roth) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:19:05 -0600 From: Eric Anderson Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Server To: Alexander Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Alexander Leidinger Message-ID: <43C8EC39.6080708@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DKOI8-R; format=3Dflowed Alexander wrote: > Alexander Leidinger PI[ET: > >> Alexander wrote: >> >>> http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz - there is comparation=20 >>> of Linux FS. >> >> >> Since this doesn't cover the FreeBSD implementations of UFS or UFS2,=20 >> this doesn't say anything about the reasons why you want to use a=20 >> different FS on FreeBSD. > > So. Ext2/Ext3 is only modification of UFS and UFS is modification of=20 > S5FS. That's why I don't think, that UFS or UFS2 work better than=20 > ext2/ext3. But XFS and Reiser has big advantage. I think these are gross generalizations, and not very true at all. They = are all different in their own right, and all have different performance charactoristics. If you feel ext3 would be better suited to your needs, feel free to complete the ext2 port to ext3 for FreeBSD, I'm sure lots = of people would enjoy it. Better yet, finish the write portion of XFS. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:14:27 +0000 From: Brian Candler Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Server To: Alexander Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060114131427.GA5349@uk.tiscali.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:50:00PM +0200, Alexander wrote: > Now I try to configure ng_nat. I use example from man ng_nat. Clients=20 > machine can ping inet hosts, but nothing loaded by http or ftp or = other=20 > tcp protocol. On server packet NATed by not real ip. On other server=20 > under Linux this packet again NATed by real ip. What can I do with = this? Probably easier to use one of the other firewalling techniques to do NAT rather than manually configure ng_nat. Your other options are: - ipfw + natd (old and venerable) - ipf - pf My personal favourite is pf (which came from OpenBSD). Configuring NAT = is just one line in /etc/pf.conf. Regards, Brian. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 08:43:54 -0600 From: Bob Martin Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Server Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <43C90E2A.9040702@buckhorn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed EXT is based on the Minix file system. Ext2 was the brain child of RC)my = Card, and has had a totally different development path than UFS. UFS was based on the Berkeley Fast File System. It dates back to the=20 CSRG, and the infancy of UNIX. There are a number of books by Kirk=20 McKusick on the subject. There have been tons of debates about UFS vs on the net=20 over the years. YMMV, but if you want speed and stability, my money is=20 on UFS2. The benchmark you referred to does not show things like=20 recovery time or data loss after a catastrophic failure. I also noted that the benchmark was using an ATA133 IDE drive. Nothing=20 wrong with that in itself, but it has long been my experience that the=20 type of drive used is usually the root cause of I/O disk problem. You=20 can't get fast performance with slow drives. File systems are tools, just like operating systems. One size does not=20 fit all. You have to find the one that will work best for you. UFS and=20 UFS2 have worked well for many, for a very long time. I think if you try = it, you might find you're pleasantly surprised. Bob Martin Alexander wrote: > Alexander Leidinger P?P8Q=08P5Q=02: >=20 >> Alexander wrote: >> >>> http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz - there is comparation=20 >>> of Linux FS. >> >> >> >> Since this doesn't cover the FreeBSD implementations of UFS or UFS2, = this >> doesn't say anything about the reasons why you want to use a = different=20 >> FS on >> FreeBSD. >=20 >=20 > So. Ext2/Ext3 is only modification of UFS and UFS is modification of=20 > S5FS. That's why I don't think, that UFS or UFS2 work better than=20 > ext2/ext3. But XFS and Reiser has big advantage. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 10:30:29 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Server To: Alexander Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Alexander Leidinger Message-ID: <20060114153029.GA43731@wjv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 09:29 , after knocking over a stack of dishes on the heat sink Alexander wondered out loud about: > Alexander Leidinger ?????: >=20 > >Alexander wrote: > >>http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz - there is comparation=20 > >>of Linux FS. > >Since this doesn't cover the FreeBSD implementations of UFS or > >UFS2, this doesn't say anything about the reasons why you want > >to use a different FS on FreeBSD. > So. Ext2/Ext3 is only modification of UFS and UFS is modification of=20 > S5FS. That's why I don't think, that UFS or UFS2 work better than=20 > ext2/ext3. But XFS and Reiser has big advantage. UFS is not a modification of S5FS - which were S51 and S52. Such concepts as cylinder groups and fragments were new ideas. Running both the S51 and an AFS [an Acer implementation of=20 the BSD FFS[ on the same hard drive in about 1990, I saw performance increases of up to 10 times on the same hard drive. Having worked with S51 and S52 [the latter was AT&Ts idea on how to make things faster that in reality had marginal improvement] and the FFS variants they really aren't that similar. The way files are placed on the hard-drive in the FFS variants as opposed to the S5? variants also contributed to keep the drives working fast for a much longer time. In fact there were file system defragmenters built and sold for the S5? systems as the awkward and inefficient way they handled the free-list actually meant you needed to backup a file system, remake it, and restore as often as ever 6 months in the S51 systems. The brand name Unix vendors slowly adopted a lot of the FFS items from BSD as it was so much better. I've used XFS on Irix systems and for items that have a lot of large files or lots and lots of files in a single diretory, it's one of the best. To get a good idea of the S51 and FFS differences you should read Bach's book for SysV and books by Lefler, McKusick et all on BSD. Bill --=20 Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:01:14 +0200 From: Alexander Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Server To: Brian Candler Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <43C9204A.1020401@matrixhome.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Dflowed I think, that ipfw is native for FreeBSD - it works better than other=20 packet filters. Am I right? With ng_nat first trouble was in parameter of mpd - there is set bundle=20 enable compression. Second trouble is next: in example I got next strings: ipfw add 300 netgraph.... any to any.... ipfw add 400 netgraph.... any to any..... In hook netgraph "out" I send only traffic from clients (in example was=20 all traffic). In hook "in" I send all traffic from external interface. But I took a problem with network on server. ping works fine mtr doesn't work telnet don't work. But why? When traffic that not be NATed in ng_nat was sent in hook "in" - it must = simply out from it? Or no? Where is trouble? Brian Candler P?P8Q=08P5Q=02: >On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:50:00PM +0200, Alexander wrote: > =20 > >>Now I try to configure ng_nat. I use example from man ng_nat. Clients=20 >>machine can ping inet hosts, but nothing loaded by http or ftp or = other=20 >>tcp protocol. On server packet NATed by not real ip. On other server=20 >>under Linux this packet again NATed by real ip. What can I do with = this? >> =20 >> > >Probably easier to use one of the other firewalling techniques to do = NAT >rather than manually configure ng_nat. > >Your other options are: >- ipfw + natd (old and venerable) >- ipf >- pf > >My personal favourite is pf (which came from OpenBSD). Configuring NAT = is >just one line in /etc/pf.conf. > >Regards, > >Brian. >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > =20 > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 20:38:24 +0000 From: Brian Candler Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Server To: Alexander Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060114203823.GA56577@uk.tiscali.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:01:14PM +0200, Alexander wrote: > I think, that ipfw is native for FreeBSD - it works better than other=20 > packet filters. Am I right? Not really. For NAT in particular, ipfw is pretty awful. You need an external daemon (natd) and have to route packets to and from it, which = works fine if you have a very simple configuration (e.g. single external interface, basic NAT-everything-going-out or NAT all RFC1918 address = space). More complex scenarios can be an utter nightmare to configure properly. It also has a long history, which means that the configuration syntax = isn't always very clean because of backwards compatibility requirements. > When traffic that not be NATed in ng_nat was sent in hook "in" - it = must=20 > simply out from it? Or no? Where is trouble? I can't answer that. All I can say is, if you want NAT there is a very simple incantation you can put in /etc/rc.conf: pf_enable=3D"YES" pflog_enable=3D"YES" and in /etc/pf.conf: # replace interface name as appropriate ext_if=3D"fxp0" nat on $ext_if from any to any -> ($ext_if) Start it like this: # /etc/rc.d/pf start # /etc/rc.d/pflog start It should Just Work[TM]. pf is loadable as a module, so you shouldn't = even have to recompile your kernel. Regards, Brian. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:14:00 +0300 From: Gleb Smirnoff Subject: Re: freebsd router To: Danial Thom Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, ann kok , "Matthew D. Fuller" Message-ID: <20060115011400.GM83922@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dkoi8-r On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 05:48:14AM -0800, Danial Thom wrote: D> I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning for D> thinking so. There is little argument that D> FreeBSD 4.x is perhaps the fastest Uniprocessor D> O/S ever created for networking. SMP will likely D> never be able to match it. It certainly can't D> now, in the current state of development. D>=20 D> Routing is fastest when implemented as a single D> process task. Once you start chopping up D> (threading) the path you slow it down. While it D> could be possible to have a faster routing D> subsystem on a custom-designed MP O/S, its not D> practical to build a general purpose O/S in such D> a way. D>=20 D> So freebsd 4.x it is. Freebsd 4.x can route 25% D> more traffic than its 5.x counterpart on the same D> hardware. 5.x SMP is actually worse (as it drops D> more packets at high traffic levels, and FreeBSD D> 4.x never drops packets until its overrun).=20 Do you have more exact information? I mean: - Description of the test setup. - How packet stream was generated? - How success/loss was measured? - What hardware was used: CPU, mobo, NICs. - What settings were non-default. - And finally exact numbers - pps success/loss. And don't waste your time comparing 5.x and 4.x. Please compare 4.x and 6.0. The 5.x is a previous step. --=20 Totus tuus, Glebius. GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:16:19 -0400 (AST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: Linux binary of Apache/PHP ... To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060115001439.T28752@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=3DUS-ASCII; format=3Dflowed Does anyone know *what* is involved in setting this up under FreeBSD? I = have a client that purchased a Linux license for PHPLib (his old hosting = company was Linux based), and I've email'd PHPLib and there is no way of = 'changing' the license ... Is there an easy way of doing this? :( ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services = (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: = 7615664 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 23:23:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Freddie Cash" Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Server To: "Brian Candler" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <61570.24.71.118.34.1137309787.squirrel@imap.sd73.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=3Diso-8859-1 On Sat, January 14, 2006 12:38 pm, Brian Candler wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 06:01:14PM +0200, Alexander wrote: >> I think, that ipfw is native for FreeBSD - it works better than >> other packet filters. Am I right? > Not really. For NAT in particular, ipfw is pretty awful. You need an > external daemon (natd) and have to route packets to and from it, which > works fine if you have a very simple configuration (e.g. single > external interface, basic NAT-everything-going-out or NAT all RFC1918 > address space). More complex scenarios can be an utter nightmare to > configure properly. IPFW in FreeBSD 6.0 includes support for in-kernel NAT using the nat keyword. Just recompile the kernel with "options LIBALIAS" to enable it. I haven't tested it just yet (my home firewall is recompiling it all right now), but the stuff I've read online makes it seem like it should be on-par with IPFilter/PF's nat. Don't know if it qualifies as a complex scenario or not, but we use P2-333 MHz systems with 256 MB RAM running FreeBSD 5.3 using IPFW/natd. All stations behind the firewall are in an RFC1918 network. Some stations are given public IPs for access using 1-for-1 NAT on the firewall, and all the rest go out via standard 1-to-many NAT. So far, no issues to speak of. [knock wood] We even have multiple VPNs configured and use fwd rules to pass packets through them. --=20 Freddie Cash fcash@ocis.net ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 02:05:29 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: Linux binary of Apache/PHP ... To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060115080529.GD40810@over-yonder.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 12:16:19AM -0400 I heard the voice of Marc G. Fournier, and lo! it spake thus: >=20 > Does anyone know *what* is involved in setting this up under > FreeBSD? Maybe you could chroot into the Linux compat tree (so all your commands are the Linux commands running through the emulation) and install the RPM's? --=20 Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:43:47 +0100 From: Tobias Roth Subject: Re: Linux binary of Apache/PHP ... To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060115104347.GA28797@droopy.unibe.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 12:16:19AM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >=20 > Does anyone know *what* is involved in setting this up under FreeBSD? = I=20 > have a client that purchased a Linux license for PHPLib (his old = hosting=20 > company was Linux based), and I've email'd PHPLib and there is no way = of=20 > 'changing' the license ... This may not be what you want to hear, but you should instist on them changing the license. Call them. Ask for the boss. Then ask why such a simple thing as switching is not possible. Promise them a written agreement that you will destroy the old license once you received the new one, and maybe offer to renew the license in advance, if the license is limited. The exact thing happened to us a few weeks ago, with a different = product. We received an email stating that the license is not changable, because if they'd change it, we would surely not delete the old license and so = on. This was after we already sent a written agreement that we would not continue using the old license. So basically, they were accusing us of cheating, despite that we already bought their product. A phone call to their boss surely cleared things up quickly. Good luck, Tobias ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" End of freebsd-isp Digest, Vol 146, Issue 6 ******************************************* From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 00:49:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941B316A41F for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:49:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff@norristechs.net) Received: from scooby.norristechs.net (scooby.norristechs.net [71.36.89.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CE443D46 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:49:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff@norristechs.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] [71.36.89.205] by scooby.norristechs.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AF2301AC; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:49:39 -0700 Message-ID: <43CC3F2F.6090301@norristechs.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:49:51 -0700 From: Jeff at NorrisTechs Organization: NorrisTechs.NET.COM User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: ARP MESSAGES FILLING CONSOLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:49:42 -0000 Everyone, First off, no attitude or sarcasm g; After running BSD since 4.0 I have come to love the feature rich set it offers and stability as well. I have an interesting network situation. I have several BSD based servers which are multi-hone (Two Nics) one Nic faces the internet, the other faces a PRIVATE IP subnet and wireless DMZ. However since the internet router is also the end point for the wireless DMZ I get a barrage of ARP messages indicating the the private nic is receiving ARP for the public network and vice versa. Heres a ascii drawing of whats going on. (example we will say that 10.0.0.0/8 is the public side and 192.168.100.0/24 is the private side) (INTERNET) 10.0.0.0/8 (again an exmple) ! ! v ROUTER -----> (10.0.0.1/8)<-> WIRELESS (DMZ) 192.168.100.2/24 Connect to Client AP below ! BSD-1 10.0.0.200/8 (FXP0) ! ! 10.0.0.5/8 (NAT BOX) ! ! ! BSD-1 192.168.100.200/24 (XL0) PRIVATE 192.168.100.24 (NAT IP for PC etc) ! !--------(CLIENT AP) 192.168.100.5----------------^Connected to above AP (Wireline to client AP 192.168.1.0/24) Now BSD1 FXP0 (public) and XL0 (priate) are connected together to common Layer network, not looped on a Layer2 level otherwise the network would crash, but both NICs are connect in a broadcast domain. If I down XL0 of course everthing is cool , and no ARP messages, but the XL0 nic is used for management traffic. I could either put a router between the Client AP and the router-wireles DMZ or leave XL0 down. Move the client AP to the DMZ side and multinet the NAT box (all ready done this) but NAT gets in the way for several applications (remote server management) I would like to know if at all possible to disable ARP requests per NIC, make static entiries that override any manual ARP request. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ */Jeff Norris/* /~ Web Hosting ~ VPN Solutions ~ Network Management ~ Design, deploy, kick ass. / *N*orris*Techs* dot net http://www.norristechs.net *AOL IM or Yahoo IM: _ ntshelper _* From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 01:05:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3CB16A41F for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:05:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C5243D46 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:05:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.13.5/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0H15O8N006830; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:05:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.13.5/8.13.1/Submit) id k0H15JZ7006829; Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:05:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:05:13 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: Jeff at NorrisTechs Message-ID: <20060117010513.GB6639@wjv.com> References: <43CC3F2F.6090301@norristechs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43CC3F2F.6090301@norristechs.net> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on bilver.wjv.com Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: ARP MESSAGES FILLING CONSOLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:05:28 -0000 On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 17:49 , the murky waters churned and seethed, the dark weeds parted and the water took on the sinister, shifting visage we recognize as Jeff at NorrisTechs. The great maw opened, and the following was heard: > > Everyone, > First off, no attitude or sarcasm g; > > After running BSD since 4.0 I have come to love the feature rich set it > offers and stability as well. > > I have an interesting network situation. I have several BSD based > servers which are multi-hone (Two Nics) one Nic faces the internet, the > other faces a PRIVATE IP subnet and wireless DMZ. However since the > internet router is also the end point for the wireless DMZ I get a > barrage of ARP messages indicating the the private nic is receiving ARP > for the public network and vice versa. > See if the sysctl settings may help. I tried to send you email on this, but your system is misconfigured as it shows it loops back to itself. If you are running sendmail check to make sure your name is in the local-host-names. I don't know if you are going to see this unless you get mail from the list at another address Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 17 11:06:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADD416A41F for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:06:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from edinilson@atinet.com.br) Received: from nolver.com.br (mailserver.atinet.com.br [200.231.29.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BFF43D49 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:06:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from edinilson@atinet.com.br) X-AuthUser: edinilson@atinet.com.br Received: from NBNOLVER ([200.231.29.29]:2134) by mailserver with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:06:27 -0200 Message-ID: <00b001c61b56$0fd3bd30$1d1de7c8@atinet.com.br> From: "Edinilson J. Santos" To: "Jeff at NorrisTechs" , "FreeBSD ISP" References: <43CC3F2F.6090301@norristechs.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:06:26 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Cc: Subject: Re: ARP MESSAGES FILLING CONSOLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:06:38 -0000 Try to use in sysctl.conf net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_wrong_iface=0 Edinilson --------------------------------------------------------- ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff at NorrisTechs" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: ARP MESSAGES FILLING CONSOLE Everyone, First off, no attitude or sarcasm g; After running BSD since 4.0 I have come to love the feature rich set it offers and stability as well. I have an interesting network situation. I have several BSD based servers which are multi-hone (Two Nics) one Nic faces the internet, the other faces a PRIVATE IP subnet and wireless DMZ. However since the internet router is also the end point for the wireless DMZ I get a barrage of ARP messages indicating the the private nic is receiving ARP for the public network and vice versa. Heres a ascii drawing of whats going on. (example we will say that 10.0.0.0/8 is the public side and 192.168.100.0/24 is the private side) (INTERNET) 10.0.0.0/8 (again an exmple) ! ! v ROUTER -----> (10.0.0.1/8)<-> WIRELESS (DMZ) 192.168.100.2/24 Connect to Client AP below ! BSD-1 10.0.0.200/8 (FXP0) ! ! 10.0.0.5/8 (NAT BOX) ! ! ! BSD-1 192.168.100.200/24 (XL0) PRIVATE 192.168.100.24 (NAT IP for PC etc) ! !--------(CLIENT AP) 192.168.100.5----------------^Connected to above AP (Wireline to client AP 192.168.1.0/24) Now BSD1 FXP0 (public) and XL0 (priate) are connected together to common Layer network, not looped on a Layer2 level otherwise the network would crash, but both NICs are connect in a broadcast domain. If I down XL0 of course everthing is cool , and no ARP messages, but the XL0 nic is used for management traffic. I could either put a router between the Client AP and the router-wireles DMZ or leave XL0 down. Move the client AP to the DMZ side and multinet the NAT box (all ready done this) but NAT gets in the way for several applications (remote server management) I would like to know if at all possible to disable ARP requests per NIC, make static entiries that override any manual ARP request. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ */Jeff Norris/* /~ Web Hosting ~ VPN Solutions ~ Network Management ~ Design, deploy, kick ass. / *N*orris*Techs* dot net http://www.norristechs.net *AOL IM or Yahoo IM: _ ntshelper _* _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 19 04:16:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C5116A41F for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:16:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from navicat@lsh155.siteprotect.com) Received: from lsh155.siteprotect.com (lsh155.siteprotect.com [66.113.130.191]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AFC43D48 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 04:16:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from navicat@lsh155.siteprotect.com) Received: (from navicat@localhost) by lsh155.siteprotect.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k0J4GZr12653; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:16:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:16:35 -0600 Message-Id: <200601190416.k0J4GZr12653@lsh155.siteprotect.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: mysql_client@navicat.com Subject: Navicat MySQL for Windows (ver. 7.1.9) is released. 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From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 20 00:52:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D66E16A41F for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:52:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff@norristechs.net) Received: from scooby.norristechs.net (scooby.norristechs.net [71.36.89.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A002343D46 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:52:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff@norristechs.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] [71.36.89.205] by scooby.norristechs.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A44101C0; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:52:17 -0700 Message-ID: <43D03441.6020702@norristechs.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:52:17 -0700 From: Jeff at NorrisTechs Organization: NorrisTechs.NET.COM User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Edinilson J. Santos" References: <43CC3F2F.6090301@norristechs.net> <00b001c61b56$0fd3bd30$1d1de7c8@atinet.com.br> In-Reply-To: <00b001c61b56$0fd3bd30$1d1de7c8@atinet.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: ARP MESSAGES FILLING CONSOLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:52:20 -0000 Thanks.. saved me some frustration and also not filling up the syslog either. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ */Jeff Norris/* /~ Web Hosting ~ VPN Solutions ~ Network Management ~ Design, deploy, kick ass. / *N*orris*Techs* dot net http://www.norristechs.net *AOL IM or Yahoo IM: _ ntshelper _* Edinilson J. Santos wrote: >Try to use in sysctl.conf > >net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_wrong_iface=0 > > >Edinilson >--------------------------------------------------------- >ATINET-Professional Web Hosting >Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 >http://www.atinet.com.br > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff at NorrisTechs" >To: "FreeBSD ISP" >Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:49 PM >Subject: ARP MESSAGES FILLING CONSOLE > > > >Everyone, >First off, no attitude or sarcasm g; > >After running BSD since 4.0 I have come to love the feature rich set it >offers and stability as well. > >I have an interesting network situation. I have several BSD based >servers which are multi-hone (Two Nics) one Nic faces the internet, the >other faces a PRIVATE IP subnet and wireless DMZ. However since the >internet router is also the end point for the wireless DMZ I get a >barrage of ARP messages indicating the the private nic is receiving ARP >for the public network and vice versa. > >Heres a ascii drawing of whats going on. (example we will say that >10.0.0.0/8 is the public side and 192.168.100.0/24 is the private side) > >(INTERNET) 10.0.0.0/8 (again an exmple) > ! > ! > v > > ROUTER -----> (10.0.0.1/8)<-> WIRELESS (DMZ) 192.168.100.2/24 Connect >to Client AP below > ! BSD-1 10.0.0.200/8 (FXP0) > ! > ! > 10.0.0.5/8 > (NAT BOX) > ! > ! > ! BSD-1 192.168.100.200/24 (XL0) > PRIVATE 192.168.100.24 (NAT IP for PC etc) > ! > !--------(CLIENT AP) 192.168.100.5----------------^Connected to above AP > (Wireline to client AP 192.168.1.0/24) > > >Now BSD1 FXP0 (public) and XL0 (priate) are connected together to >common Layer network, not looped on a Layer2 level otherwise the network >would crash, but both NICs are connect in a broadcast domain. >If I down XL0 of course everthing is cool , and no ARP messages, but the >XL0 nic is used for management traffic. > >I could either put a router between the Client AP and the router-wireles >DMZ or leave XL0 down. >Move the client AP to the DMZ side and multinet the NAT box (all ready >done this) but NAT gets in the way for several applications (remote >server management) > >I would like to know if at all possible to disable ARP requests per NIC, >make static entiries that override any manual ARP request. > > > >