From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 00:26:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDC716A6BB for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valiantsoul@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764B143D46 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:26:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from valiantsoul@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=TJG2+jFRVpsbGGfYHhLUBB+uDcCLpPL0DJL1KtlsHdDqbqGLtrAZ2YldlGcVdZJy; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.131.105] (helo=[192.168.2.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1FhyFH-0000u8-S8 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 May 2006 20:26:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Craig St Jean Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:25:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-ELNK-Trace: 0b6360d620a7c653791ceade7a3fce3a9ef193a6bfc3dd48219f73ef72187afbb804cd2ee52408c8667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.131.105 Subject: I may be able to help with getting it on a G5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 00:26:05 -0000 Hello, Not sure if anyone has tried working on getting FreeBSD on a G5 machine, but I have some free time and would be happy to help test. I have a quad 2.5GHz G5 PowerMac with plenty of memory and hard drive space. I've also done some work with the kernel for x86 (nothing worth committing), have some ppc assembler experience, and a lot of C experience. If someone gives me some direction on what may need to be done, I would be happy to try to help make FreeBSD run on a G5 system - I just don't have the time to dive into everything to attempt to find out what would need done. I can try booting as of the current status however if someone has already tried this, I would like to know so I could try to help. Unless everyone feels its not worth the time... Sincerely, Craig St. Jean From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 06:59:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B3816A48C for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:59:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3018143D77 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:59:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.14] (dsl-63-249-90-35.cruzio.com [63.249.90.35]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with ESMTP id BVM09734 (AUTH peterg@ptree32.com.au); Mon, 22 May 2006 16:59:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <44716148.6060801@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:59:20 -0700 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig St Jean References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I may be able to help with getting it on a G5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: grehan@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:59:33 -0000 Hi Craig, > Not sure if anyone has tried working on getting FreeBSD on a G5 > machine, but I have some free time and would be happy to help test. I > have a quad 2.5GHz G5 PowerMac with plenty of memory and hard drive space. Great ! I'm still struggling to resurrect my PPC dev machines and environment, but when I do I'd like to get G5 support going. I'll take any and all offers of help :) > If someone gives me some direction on what may need to be > done, I would be happy to try to help make FreeBSD run on a G5 system - It's going to be tough. My plan is to get it running in 32-bit mode, since full 64-bit support requires a massive amount of work, essentially a new port. What's there: - the loader What's not there: - pmap support. The G5 uses 64-bit addresses in it's PTE format, so it's just different enough than the G3/G4 to be annoying. The code is already there to abstract out the differences, but a lot of implementation work has to be done. - the low-level assembler trap code needs to switch back to 32-bits. This isn't too difficult, and the plan was to conditionally compile the .S files similar to how ELF 32- and 64-bit support is done. - no BAT registers, so the kernel needs to have virtual mappings created for it. This complicates pmap startup, and various other parts of the the machine-dependent code that assumes a 1:1 static mapping for all memory (e.g. UMA_MD_SMALL_ALLOC, the syscons frame-buffer code, page zeroing) - cachelines are 128 bytes on the G5 as opposed to 32 bits on G3/G4. This is almost abstracted out but some extra work is required. - probably a bunch of other things I've forgotten. > Unless everyone feels its not worth the time... Definitely worth the time. later, Peter. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 08:33:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F61116A420; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:33:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@genesi-usa.com) Received: from mail.genesippc.com (mithrandir.softwarenexus.net [66.98.186.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D4143D45; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:33:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@genesi-usa.com) Received: from p54b0d69d.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.176.214.157] helo=yukito) by mail.genesippc.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Fi5oL-000C6x-3L; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:30:45 +0000 From: "Matt Sealey" To: , "'Craig St Jean'" Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 03:33:27 -0500 Organization: Genesi Message-ID: <002f01c67d7a$68d74ba0$7bdfdfdf@bakuhatsu.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44716148.6060801@freebsd.org> Thread-Index: AcZ9bO4G0s9z/nWyRBGzw8ZHyxGhbgADVhbA Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: RE: I may be able to help with getting it on a G5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matt@genesi-usa.com List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:33:32 -0000 > - cachelines are 128 bytes on the G5 as opposed to 32 > bits on G3/G4. That's 32 bytes :) -- Matt Sealey Manager, Genesi, Developer Relations From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 11:02:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72CA16A5B1 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD3243D68 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:02:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4MB2wBm034960 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:02:58 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k4MB2vZa034956 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:02:57 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:02:57 GMT Message-Id: <200605221102.k4MB2vZa034956@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:03:05 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2006/02/11] powerpc/93203ppc FreeBSD PPC Can't Write to Partitions. 1 problem total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2006/02/23] powerpc/93746ppc Did not detect aic7901 scsci card o [2006/04/05] powerpc/95367ppc docs for ppc release. 2 problems total. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 14:40:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A4E16A73F for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759F843D55 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.14] (dsl-63-249-90-35.cruzio.com [63.249.90.35]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with ESMTP id BVM64448 (AUTH peterg@ptree32.com.au); Tue, 23 May 2006 00:40:41 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4471CD67.10808@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:40:39 -0700 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matt@genesi-usa.com References: <002f01c67d7a$68d74ba0$7bdfdfdf@bakuhatsu.net> In-Reply-To: <002f01c67d7a$68d74ba0$7bdfdfdf@bakuhatsu.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I may be able to help with getting it on a G5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: grehan@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:24 -0000 Matt Sealey wrote: >> - cachelines are 128 bytes on the G5 as opposed to 32 >> bits on G3/G4. > > That's 32 bytes :) Ah yes, of course :) Late night :) later, Peter. 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If you are unable to access the Disclaimer, send a blank e-mail to disclaimer@richdex.com and we will send you a copy of the Disclaimer. http://www.richdex.com http://www.richdex.com/rich/dex/en/index.php/Help:Contents ------=_NextPart_000_7F33_01C67DBF.4B66ED60-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 23 06:16:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D02316A426 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:16:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from valiantsoul@earthlink.net) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC3B43D45 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:16:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from valiantsoul@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=S9Kg9AfA5IlUN0mZ4MJQ/V7F33L48YiEud1B6c0yE0ZJAV3I+EL1pKC3A76qMqyN; h=Received:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.131.105] (helo=[192.168.2.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1FiQBw-0002EU-JN for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 02:16:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-Id: <6CB0FC67-E5DD-4C9C-9E00-4ACC32C30165@earthlink.net> From: Craig St Jean Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 02:15:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-ELNK-Trace: 0b6360d620a7c653791ceade7a3fce3a9ef193a6bfc3dd48292f91fae983a4fabc9161d27488267e3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.131.105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: I may be able to help with getting it on a G5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:16:30 -0000 > Hi Craig, > > > Not sure if anyone has tried working on getting FreeBSD on a G5 > > machine, but I have some free time and would be happy to help > test. I > > have a quad 2.5GHz G5 PowerMac with plenty of memory and hard > drive space. > > Great ! I'm still struggling to resurrect my PPC dev machines and > environment, but when I do I'd like to get G5 support going. I'll take > any and all offers of help :) I do have a G4 iBook which will help in the process until it boots on the G5. I'm not quite sure how to get everything over to the G5 though - the only OS dev I've done was when the system was already running and I just made modifications. > > > If someone gives me some direction on what may need to be > > done, I would be happy to try to help make FreeBSD run on a G5 > system - > > It's going to be tough. My plan is to get it running in 32-bit mode, > since full 64-bit support requires a massive amount of work, > essentially > a new port. > > What's there: > > - the loader > > What's not there: > > - pmap support. The G5 uses 64-bit addresses in it's PTE > format, so > it's just different enough than the G3/G4 to be annoying. The code is > already there to abstract out the differences, but a lot of > implementation work has to be done. > > - the low-level assembler trap code needs to switch back to 32- > bits. > This isn't too difficult, and the plan was to conditionally compile > the > .S files similar to how ELF 32- and 64-bit support is done. > > - no BAT registers, so the kernel needs to have virtual mappings > created for it. This complicates pmap startup, and various other parts > of the the machine-dependent code that assumes a 1:1 static mapping > for > all memory (e.g. UMA_MD_SMALL_ALLOC, the syscons frame-buffer code, > page > zeroing) > > - cachelines are 128 bytes on the G5 as opposed to 32 bits on > G3/G4. > This is almost abstracted out but some extra work is required. > > - probably a bunch of other things I've forgotten. > > > Unless everyone feels its not worth the time... > > Definitely worth the time. > > later, > > Peter. Note quite sure how to do any of that but I will try looking into it once I get FreeBSD up on my iBook (going through things to make sure I get everything backed up - should have it up tomorrow or the day after. My work takes up a lot of time but I will do my best. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 23 16:33:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0E916A87F for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from dommail.onthenet.com.au (dommail.OntheNet.com.au [203.13.70.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C3843D76 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:33:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.0.14] (dsl-63-249-90-35.cruzio.com [63.249.90.35]) by dommail.onthenet.com.au (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with ESMTP id BVO60468 (AUTH peterg@ptree32.com.au); Wed, 24 May 2006 02:33:47 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <44733969.9090606@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:33:45 -0700 From: Peter Grehan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig St Jean References: <6CB0FC67-E5DD-4C9C-9E00-4ACC32C30165@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <6CB0FC67-E5DD-4C9C-9E00-4ACC32C30165@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I may be able to help with getting it on a G5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: grehan@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:10 -0000 > I do have a G4 iBook which will help in the process until it boots on > the G5. I'm not quite sure how to get everything over to the G5 though - > the only OS dev I've done was when the system was already running and I > just made modifications. You'll want to netboot the G5. I'll dig up the doco on how to do that, it's not too hard. > Note quite sure how to do any of that but I will try looking into it > once I get FreeBSD up on my iBook (going through things to make sure I > get everything backed up - should have it up tomorrow or the day after. > My work takes up a lot of time but I will do my best. Sure ! later, Peter.