From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 2 08:57:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8E316A41F for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) Received: from a2.scoop.co.nz (a2.scoop.co.nz [202.50.109.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D511A43D46 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:57:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) Received: from a2.scoop.co.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a2.scoop.co.nz (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k328vUak018430; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:57:31 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by a2.scoop.co.nz (8.13.6/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k328vUnW018427; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:57:30 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@scoop.co.nz) X-Authentication-Warning: a2.scoop.co.nz: andrew owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:57:30 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20060401172122.GA9071@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20060402204922.G18985@a2.scoop.co.nz> References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric> <64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com> <01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric> <442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz> <442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442EB37A.4080909@monkeytower.net> <20060401172122.GA9071@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (a2.scoop.co.nz [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:57:31 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1365/Sun Apr 2 10:49:56 2006 on a2.scoop.co.nz X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, Olaf Klein Subject: Re: smp and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 08:57:36 -0000 On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 07:08:10PM +0200, Olaf Klein wrote: >> Hi, >> >> i wonder how to make use of multiple processors or kernels when using >> portupgrade. Something like 'make -j10 buildworld' should be possible >> for portupgrade too?! >> Or is it like buildkernel: not recommended to use multiple threads? > > Well, buildkernel is fine to use with -j (not sure where you read > otherwise), but ports cannot be built this way. The main issue seems to be that various targets in the ports system not waiting for the previous target to be built. Eg 'install' starts without waiting for 'build'. Depending on the particular port however 'make -j 10 build' very often does work. I appreciate that it's quite a lot of work to implement, but... It would be nice if the ports system itself were multi-thread clean. Presumably we'd want a flag in each appropriate port's makefile which enabled a multi-threaded build where this is known to work. Equally, it would be nice if portupgrade were able to work on separate ports in parallel where dependency structures allow for it. Are there any fundamental reasons why such things couldn't work? Andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew McNaughton http://www.scoop.co.nz/ andrew@scoop.co.nz Mobile: +61 422 753 792 pgp keyid: 70F6C32D -- "We are trying to figure out how you conduct a war against something other than a nation-state and how ... you conduct a war in countries that you are not at war with," -- Donald Rumsfeld, 27 Jan 2006 From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 3 02:21:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF6B16A401 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 02:21:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C09043D53 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 02:21:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7E11A3C1B; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1E2D65152B; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:21:57 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Andrew McNaughton Message-ID: <20060403022157.GA56932@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric> <64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com> <01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric> <442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz> <442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442EB37A.4080909@monkeytower.net> <20060401172122.GA9071@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060402204922.G18985@a2.scoop.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J/dobhs11T7y2rNN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060402204922.G18985@a2.scoop.co.nz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, Olaf Klein , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: smp and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 02:21:59 -0000 --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 08:57:30PM +1200, Andrew McNaughton wrote: > It would be nice if the ports system itself were multi-thread clean.=20 > Presumably we'd want a flag in each appropriate port's makefile which=20 > enabled a multi-threaded build where this is known to work. >=20 > Equally, it would be nice if portupgrade were able to work on separate=20 > ports in parallel where dependency structures allow for it. >=20 > Are there any fundamental reasons why such things couldn't work? No..just a lot of work needed to make it happen. 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It's significantly faster than >> i8254 >> > > Yeah - if his Dell has ACPI enabled. However, ACPI-fast is still slower > than say TSC. > > Eric, do you want to show us the output of > > $ sysctl kern.timecounter > > with and without SMP? > > Cheers > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 4 14:41:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA10316A401 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:41:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Received: from silver.he.iki.fi (helenius.fi [193.64.42.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E3F43D49 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 14:41:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pete@he.iki.fi) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dyn234.helenius.fi [193.64.42.234]) by silver.he.iki.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CED7BC53; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:41:19 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4432858F.90701@he.iki.fi> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:41:19 +0300 From: Petri Helenius User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric><64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com><01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric><442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz> <442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442F0E1B.9090505@paradise.net.nz> <027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> In-Reply-To: <027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lucas Holt , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, Mark Kirkwood Subject: Re: Low perf with smp X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:41:25 -0000 4.x, SMP and performance don't really live in the same box :-) Pete Eric wrote: > Sorry for time to answer, here is result in both case (with/withou > SMP) with freebsd 4.11 : > > kern.timecounter.method: 0 > kern.timecounter.hardware: i8254 > > > If you want I can do new installation with freebsd 6.0 > > Thanks, > > Eric. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kirkwood" > > To: "Petri Helenius" > Cc: "Eric" ; ; "Lucas Holt" > > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 1:34 AM > Subject: Re: Low perf with smp > > >> Petri Helenius wrote: >>> Mark Kirkwood wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> As I understand it, when you activate SMP a more accurate, but >>>> slower timecounter is chosen (typically 'i8254' instead of 'TSC' on >>>> intel HW). >>> >>> >>> ACPI-fast should be the default with SMP. It's significantly faster >>> than i8254 >>> >> >> Yeah - if his Dell has ACPI enabled. However, ACPI-fast is still >> slower than say TSC. >> >> Eric, do you want to show us the output of >> >> $ sysctl kern.timecounter >> >> with and without SMP? >> >> Cheers >> >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 4 20:25:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A156C16A422 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:25:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ericd@free.fr) Received: from meteor.synten.com (ns4.synten.com [193.47.141.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC16743D45 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:25:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ericd@free.fr) Received: from Eric (www.netvigie.com [62.212.118.25] (may be forged)) by meteor.synten.com (8.13.2/8.12.9) with SMTP id k34KPfdT000432; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:25:41 +0200 Message-ID: <008001c65825$f3c27700$65fd24c0@Eric> From: "Eric" To: "Petri Helenius" References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric><64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com><01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric><442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz><442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442F0E1B.9090505@paradise.net.nz><027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> <4432858F.90701@he.iki.fi> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:25:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SYNTEN-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-SYNTEN-MailScanner: Found to be clean Cc: Lucas Holt , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, Mark Kirkwood Subject: Re: Low perf with smp X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:25:49 -0000 I know Pete but I downgrad because when installing 6.0 performance was half than with 4.11. I done tests and tests but still have very low perfs. I then downdgrad to 4.11 to see if it came from hardware or software. Conclusion is that my test wich is consist of loop of mysql query done by a php script take : - 32 sec with 4.11 without SMP - 54 sec with 4.11 with SMP - 62 sec with 6.0 or 6.1 beta 4 That's why actually I'm with 4.11. If you have any idea how improve perfs with 6.0 it will be a pleasure. Hardware is new dell 1850 with bi-xeon dualcore 2.8Ghz and scsi 15.000t HDD on raid1 perc4si 256Mo controller. Eric. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petri Helenius" To: "Eric" Cc: "Lucas Holt" ; ; "Mark Kirkwood" Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Low perf with smp > > 4.x, SMP and performance don't really live in the same box :-) > > Pete > > > Eric wrote: >> Sorry for time to answer, here is result in both case (with/withou SMP) >> with freebsd 4.11 : >> >> kern.timecounter.method: 0 >> kern.timecounter.hardware: i8254 >> >> >> If you want I can do new installation with freebsd 6.0 >> >> Thanks, >> >> Eric. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kirkwood" >> >> To: "Petri Helenius" >> Cc: "Eric" ; ; "Lucas Holt" >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 1:34 AM >> Subject: Re: Low perf with smp >> >> >>> Petri Helenius wrote: >>>> Mark Kirkwood wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As I understand it, when you activate SMP a more accurate, but slower >>>>> timecounter is chosen (typically 'i8254' instead of 'TSC' on intel >>>>> HW). >>>> >>>> >>>> ACPI-fast should be the default with SMP. It's significantly faster >>>> than i8254 >>>> >>> >>> Yeah - if his Dell has ACPI enabled. However, ACPI-fast is still slower >>> than say TSC. >>> >>> Eric, do you want to show us the output of >>> >>> $ sysctl kern.timecounter >>> >>> with and without SMP? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mark >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 4 23:48:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9325C16A422 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from linda-3.paradise.net.nz (bm-3a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125FD43D6B for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:48:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-3.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IX800AOH24TMO@linda-3.paradise.net.nz> for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:48:29 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (218-101-29-132.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.29.132]) by smtp-2.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD68D23355; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:48:28 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:48:16 +1200 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> To: Eric Message-id: <443305C0.2030406@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20051106) References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric> <64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com> <01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric> <442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz> <442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442F0E1B.9090505@paradise.net.nz> <027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> Cc: Lucas Holt , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low perf with smp X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:48:42 -0000 Eric wrote: > Sorry for time to answer, here is result in both case (with/withou SMP) > with freebsd 4.11 : > > kern.timecounter.method: 0 > kern.timecounter.hardware: i8254 > > > If you want I can do new installation with freebsd 6.0 > If you can spare the time and the machine, it would certainly be good to chase down why 6.0 is slower than 4.11! (As SMP in 6.0 is typically better than in 4.x...). Cheers Mark From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 5 00:32:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCB216A423 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from linda-4.paradise.net.nz (bm-4a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FF243D46 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:32:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-4.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IX800BZ646PE6@linda-4.paradise.net.nz> for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:32:49 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (218-101-29-132.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.29.132]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0862B10AAC0C; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:32:48 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:32:36 +1200 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <008001c65825$f3c27700$65fd24c0@Eric> To: Eric Message-id: <44331024.7090807@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20051106) References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric> <64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com> <01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric> <442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz> <442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442F0E1B.9090505@paradise.net.nz> <027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> <4432858F.90701@he.iki.fi> <008001c65825$f3c27700$65fd24c0@Eric> Cc: Lucas Holt , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low perf with smp X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:32:52 -0000 Eric wrote: > I know Pete but I downgrad because when installing 6.0 performance was > half than with 4.11. > I done tests and tests but still have very low perfs. I then downdgrad > to 4.11 to see if it came from hardware or software. > Conclusion is that my test wich is consist of loop of mysql query done > by a php script take : > > - 32 sec with 4.11 without SMP > - 54 sec with 4.11 with SMP > - 62 sec with 6.0 or 6.1 beta 4 > > That's why actually I'm with 4.11. > > If you have any idea how improve perfs with 6.0 it will be a pleasure. > Hardware is new dell 1850 with bi-xeon dualcore 2.8Ghz and scsi 15.000t > HDD on raid1 perc4si 256Mo controller. If you could post, or link to your mysql query and php script, then I (or in fact anyone) could try to reproduce this (I've got two almost identical machines running 6.0, so could downgrade one to 4.x.). In addition, what versions of php and mysql are you using? Cheers Mark From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 5 08:56:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB13416A400 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ericd@free.fr) Received: from meteor.synten.com (ns4.synten.com [193.47.141.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A2343D48 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:56:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ericd@free.fr) Received: from Eric (ericd.netvigie.com [81.255.196.158]) by meteor.synten.com (8.13.2/8.12.9) with SMTP id k358tvDk003074; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:55:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c6588e$c3201da0$65fd24c0@Eric> From: "Eric" To: "Mark Kirkwood" References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric><64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com><01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric><442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz><442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442F0E1B.9090505@paradise.net.nz><027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> <4432858F.90701@he.iki.fi><008001c65825$f3c27700$65fd24c0@Eric> <44331024.7090807@paradise.net.nz> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:56:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SYNTEN-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-SYNTEN-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SYNTEN-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss Cc: Lucas Holt , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low perf with smp X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:56:08 -0000 Main problem is that query is done in a database of more than 2Go and it will be difficult to mail it. ;=) I try with several versions of mysql and php from mysql 4.1.18 to last 5.x and php 4.4.0 to 5.x and don't find significant change in performance. If it can help here is the loop. for($debut=$deb;$debut < $fin;$debut += $range){ $end = $debut + $range; $query = "select avg(total) from `histo_perfs_x` where id1 = '".$id1."' and id2 = '".addslashes($id2)."' and date > '".$debut."' and date < '".$end."'"; $result = mysql_query($query) or die("La requete :$query a echouee."); if(!$result)$databar_total[$j][$i]= 0; else { $ligne = mysql_fetch_array($result); if($ligne[0] != "")$databar_total[$j][$i]=$ligne[0]; else $databar_total[$j][$i]= "-"; } } ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kirkwood" To: "Eric" Cc: "Lucas Holt" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:32 AM Subject: Re: Low perf with smp > Eric wrote: >> I know Pete but I downgrad because when installing 6.0 performance was >> half than with 4.11. >> I done tests and tests but still have very low perfs. I then downdgrad to >> 4.11 to see if it came from hardware or software. >> Conclusion is that my test wich is consist of loop of mysql query done by >> a php script take : >> >> - 32 sec with 4.11 without SMP >> - 54 sec with 4.11 with SMP >> - 62 sec with 6.0 or 6.1 beta 4 >> >> That's why actually I'm with 4.11. >> >> If you have any idea how improve perfs with 6.0 it will be a pleasure. >> Hardware is new dell 1850 with bi-xeon dualcore 2.8Ghz and scsi 15.000t >> HDD on raid1 perc4si 256Mo controller. > > If you could post, or link to your mysql query and php script, then I (or > in fact anyone) could try to reproduce this (I've got two almost identical > machines running 6.0, so could downgrade one to 4.x.). > > In addition, what versions of php and mysql are you using? > > Cheers > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 5 10:44:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A73016A400 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from linda-2.paradise.net.nz (bm-2a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBAC43D4C for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:44:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-2.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IX8001LUWHT3C@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:44:18 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (218-101-29-132.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.29.132]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572B11B271E; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:44:17 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:44:16 +1200 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <000a01c6588e$c3201da0$65fd24c0@Eric> To: Eric Message-id: <44339F80.3040704@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20051106) References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric> <64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com> <01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric> <442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz> <442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442F0E1B.9090505@paradise.net.nz> <027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> <4432858F.90701@he.iki.fi> <008001c65825$f3c27700$65fd24c0@Eric> <44331024.7090807@paradise.net.nz> <000a01c6588e$c3201da0$65fd24c0@Eric> Cc: Lucas Holt , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low perf with smp X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:44:20 -0000 Eric wrote: > Main problem is that query is done in a database of more than 2Go and it > will be difficult to mail it. ;=) > I try with several versions of mysql and php from mysql 4.1.18 to last > 5.x and php 4.4.0 to 5.x and don't find significant change in performance. > If it can help here is the loop. > > for($debut=$deb;$debut < $fin;$debut += $range){ > $end = $debut + $range; > $query = "select avg(total) from `histo_perfs_x` where id1 = > '".$id1."' and id2 = '".addslashes($id2)."' and date > '".$debut."' and > date < '".$end."'"; > $result = mysql_query($query) or die("La requete :$query a echouee."); > if(!$result)$databar_total[$j][$i]= 0; > else { > $ligne = mysql_fetch_array($result); > if($ligne[0] != "")$databar_total[$j][$i]=$ligne[0]; else > $databar_total[$j][$i]= "-"; > } > } > Excellent! Well yes, 2G of data is too big to mail! However, generating 2G of synthetic test data is no problem at all. However to do this, a little more information is needed: 1/ A create statement for the table histo_perfs_x, along with its indexes, explicitly specifying if using an engine other than myisam. 2/ An estimate of proportion of the histo_perfs_x table a query like: select avg(total) from histo_perfs_x where id1 = ? and id2 = ? and date > ? and date < ?; is likely to scan (for typical values of the 4 bind variables). 3/ (If possible) the output of explain of the above query so we can duplicate the access plan. 4/ The number of iterations you were using in the php loop for your test. Cheers Mark From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 10:21:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957F316A400 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ericd@free.fr) Received: from meteor.synten.com (ns4.synten.com [193.47.141.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B5E43D60 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:21:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ericd@free.fr) Received: from Eric (ericd.netvigie.com [81.255.196.158]) by meteor.synten.com (8.13.2/8.12.9) with SMTP id k36ALkbR020476; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:21:46 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c65963$e86e3990$65fd24c0@Eric> From: "Eric" To: "Mark Kirkwood" References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric><64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com><01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric><442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz><442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442F0E1B.9090505@paradise.net.nz><027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> <4432858F.90701@he.iki.fi><008001c65825$f3c27700$65fd24c0@Eric><44331024.7090807@paradise.net.nz><000a01c6588e$c3201da0$65fd24c0@Eric> <44339F80.3040704@paradise.net.nz> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:21:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SYNTEN-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-SYNTEN-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SYNTEN-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss Cc: Lucas Holt , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: RESOLVED : Low perf with smp on DELL server X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:21:54 -0000 Hi Mark, I do a lot new test, re-install all system and arrive now to this : Test without SMP : 29 sec Test with SMP : 37 sec Wich is very far from the 62 sec we have before with SMP and seems to be "normal" for most people saying SMP and 4.11 are not so friend they seems to be. Ok for you? It seems that problem before, came from perc4 controller configuration. It seems that if you change configuration on fly you don't have the same result ;=( as if you re-create the logical drive with good param and put same param onfly . Good configuration is for me disable any cache : On creation and on configuration : Write Policy --> Writethru Read Policy --> non-adaptive Don't know why difference was more important with SMP but it seems to be now ok. As there is still few difference with SMP, I now do same test but launching 1, 2, or 3 test in same time to see if it's usefulle for me to have SMP kernel. Result is really near but I doubt that it's not hardrive that slow down all system. Do you know a way to know the hard drive utilisation as with top? (iostat always return 0) Do you know a way to do high ramdrive? (I try with mount_mfs but it always limit me to 400 Mo) Many thanks, Eric. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kirkwood" To: "Eric" Cc: "Lucas Holt" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Low perf with smp > Eric wrote: >> Main problem is that query is done in a database of more than 2Go and it >> will be difficult to mail it. ;=) >> I try with several versions of mysql and php from mysql 4.1.18 to last >> 5.x and php 4.4.0 to 5.x and don't find significant change in >> performance. >> If it can help here is the loop. >> >> for($debut=$deb;$debut < $fin;$debut += $range){ >> $end = $debut + $range; >> $query = "select avg(total) from `histo_perfs_x` where id1 = >> '".$id1."' and id2 = '".addslashes($id2)."' and date > '".$debut."' and >> date < '".$end."'"; >> $result = mysql_query($query) or die("La requete :$query a echouee."); >> if(!$result)$databar_total[$j][$i]= 0; >> else { >> $ligne = mysql_fetch_array($result); >> if($ligne[0] != "")$databar_total[$j][$i]=$ligne[0]; else >> $databar_total[$j][$i]= "-"; >> } >> } >> > > Excellent! Well yes, 2G of data is too big to mail! However, generating 2G > of synthetic test data is no problem at all. > > However to do this, a little more information is needed: > > 1/ A create statement for the table histo_perfs_x, along with its indexes, > explicitly specifying if using an engine other than myisam. > > 2/ An estimate of proportion of the histo_perfs_x table a query like: > > select avg(total) from histo_perfs_x > where id1 = ? and id2 = ? and date > ? and date < ?; > > is likely to scan (for typical values of the 4 bind variables). > > 3/ (If possible) the output of explain of the above query so we can > duplicate the access plan. > > 4/ The number of iterations you were using in the php loop for your test. > > Cheers > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 6 11:17:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C29E16A420 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from linda-2.paradise.net.nz (bm-2a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF6E43D48 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:17:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-2.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IXA00354SP8RL@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:17:33 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (218-101-29-161.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.29.161]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A16E79C051; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:17:32 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:17:28 +1200 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <002201c65963$e86e3990$65fd24c0@Eric> To: Eric Message-id: <4434F8C8.8040004@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20051106) References: <009301c65418$cc029f30$65fd24c0@Eric> <64659004-E643-4044-AAED-076E0CC91977@foolishgames.com> <01a901c65493$77ad2740$65fd24c0@Eric> <442DC9B6.2090200@paradise.net.nz> <442EAA0A.8030704@he.iki.fi> <442F0E1B.9090505@paradise.net.nz> <027f01c657f4$0d0a66a0$65fd24c0@Eric> <4432858F.90701@he.iki.fi> <008001c65825$f3c27700$65fd24c0@Eric> <44331024.7090807@paradise.net.nz> <000a01c6588e$c3201da0$65fd24c0@Eric> <44339F80.3040704@paradise.net.nz> <002201c65963$e86e3990$65fd24c0@Eric> Cc: Lucas Holt , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RESOLVED : Low perf with smp on DELL server X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:17:36 -0000 Eric wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I do a lot new test, re-install all system and arrive now to this : > Test without SMP : 29 sec > Test with SMP : 37 sec > Wich is very far from the 62 sec we have before with SMP and seems to be > "normal" for most people saying SMP and 4.11 are not so friend they > seems to be. Ok for you? > > It seems that problem before, came from perc4 controller configuration. > It seems that if you change configuration on fly you don't have the same > result ;=( as if you re-create the logical drive with good param and > put same param onfly . > Good configuration is for me disable any cache : > On creation and on configuration : Write Policy --> Writethru > Read Policy --> > non-adaptive > Don't know why difference was more important with SMP but it seems to > be now ok. > > As there is still few difference with SMP, I now do same test but > launching 1, 2, or 3 test in same time to see if it's usefulle for me to > have SMP kernel. Result is really near but I doubt that it's not > hardrive that slow down all system. > > Do you know a way to know the hard drive utilisation as with top? > (iostat always return 0) > Do you know a way to do high ramdrive? (I try with mount_mfs but it > always limit me to 400 Mo) > Well done - so you nailed it down to the controller! (chuckles - you might find 6.0 works better than 4.11 with SMP *now*).... With respect to the perc4 not showing up on iostat, could be that 4.11's support for this card is rudimentary - I would suggest starting a new thread asking about this! Cheers Mark