From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 11 20:41:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smp@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F71516A473; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB03A43D49; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:41:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F91C1A4DA2; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D61C8516F6; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:41:18 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: current@FreeBSD.org, smp@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20060611204118.GA34272@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: alfred@FreeBSD.org Subject: Optional MPSAFE syscalls aren't X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:41:21 -0000 --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline rwatson, pjd and I tracked down the following problem when looking at postgresql profiling traces: For syscalls that are part of subsystems that may be loaded from kld, the SYSCALL_MODULE_HELPER() spams the copy of the sysent from syscalls.master - and it never sets the SYF_MPSAFE flag. This means that regardless of what syscalls.master says about mpsafety, such syscalls always acquire Giant. One sad consequence of this is that when I removed the SYSCALL_MODULE_HELPERs from sysv_sem.c to get rid of the bogus Giant locking that seems to be hurting performance, postgresql hangs when trying to start; possibly the locking in sysv_sem.c is just broken since it was always implicitly serialized by Giant, so never in fact tested at all. Apart from the SYSV IPC syscalls, this also affects the AIO and mqueue code. Kris --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEjH/tWry0BWjoQKURAnOBAJwIjkCtdgOX2xYvSICPMIvRmNyixwCfQVKo 05fj0qqtGsccpp9SO+w07yg= =PPG4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+-- From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 12 13:28:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA4A16A418 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF65D43D53 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:28:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from osx.baldwin.cx (osx.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5CDSNV6012219; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:28:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:58:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <1915.1149625458@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <1915.1149625458@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606120858.47129.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.1]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:28:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1534/Mon Jun 12 08:30:53 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Concluding the SMPng project X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:28:29 -0000 On Tuesday 06 June 2006 16:24, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <20060606195938.GA6581@xor.obsecurity.org>, Kris Kennaway writes: > > >Several of us have been discussing recently whether it is time to > >bring the SMPng project to a formal conclusion. > > As the instigator of this particular notion, I am obviously all for it. I basically said the same thing at the USENIX FreeBSD BoF. :) -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 12 13:28:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF87116A41B; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8843D55; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:28:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from osx.baldwin.cx (osx.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5CDSNV7012219; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:28:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:59:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060611204118.GA34272@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20060611204118.GA34272@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606120859.40898.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.1]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:28:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1534/Mon Jun 12 08:30:53 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: smp@freebsd.org, alfred@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Optional MPSAFE syscalls aren't X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:28:30 -0000 On Sunday 11 June 2006 16:41, Kris Kennaway wrote: > rwatson, pjd and I tracked down the following problem when looking at > postgresql profiling traces: > > For syscalls that are part of subsystems that may be loaded from kld, > the SYSCALL_MODULE_HELPER() spams the copy of the sysent from > syscalls.master - and it never sets the SYF_MPSAFE flag. This means > that regardless of what syscalls.master says about mpsafety, such > syscalls always acquire Giant. > > One sad consequence of this is that when I removed the > SYSCALL_MODULE_HELPERs from sysv_sem.c to get rid of the bogus Giant > locking that seems to be hurting performance, postgresql hangs when > trying to start; possibly the locking in sysv_sem.c is just broken > since it was always implicitly serialized by Giant, so never in fact > tested at all. > > Apart from the SYSV IPC syscalls, this also affects the AIO and mqueue > code. I actually plan to just remove the SYF_MPSAFE flag soon anyways and just push Giant down manually into the handful of syscalls that still need it. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 12 13:28:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF87116A41B; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE8843D55; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:28:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from osx.baldwin.cx (osx.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.15]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5CDSNV7012219; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:28:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:59:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060611204118.GA34272@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20060611204118.GA34272@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606120859.40898.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.1]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:28:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1534/Mon Jun 12 08:30:53 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: smp@freebsd.org, alfred@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Optional MPSAFE syscalls aren't X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:28:30 -0000 On Sunday 11 June 2006 16:41, Kris Kennaway wrote: > rwatson, pjd and I tracked down the following problem when looking at > postgresql profiling traces: > > For syscalls that are part of subsystems that may be loaded from kld, > the SYSCALL_MODULE_HELPER() spams the copy of the sysent from > syscalls.master - and it never sets the SYF_MPSAFE flag. This means > that regardless of what syscalls.master says about mpsafety, such > syscalls always acquire Giant. > > One sad consequence of this is that when I removed the > SYSCALL_MODULE_HELPERs from sysv_sem.c to get rid of the bogus Giant > locking that seems to be hurting performance, postgresql hangs when > trying to start; possibly the locking in sysv_sem.c is just broken > since it was always implicitly serialized by Giant, so never in fact > tested at all. > > Apart from the SYSV IPC syscalls, this also affects the AIO and mqueue > code. I actually plan to just remove the SYF_MPSAFE flag soon anyways and just push Giant down manually into the handful of syscalls that still need it. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 12 15:54:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AE316A571; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:54:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF7C43D45; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:54:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BA41A4DA3; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7CEC6512A6; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:54:13 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20060612155413.GA68574@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <1915.1149625458@critter.freebsd.dk> <200606120858.47129.jhb@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200606120858.47129.jhb@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Concluding the SMPng project X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:54:14 -0000 --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 08:58:46AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Tuesday 06 June 2006 16:24, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <20060606195938.GA6581@xor.obsecurity.org>, Kris Kennaway wr= ites: > >=20 > > >Several of us have been discussing recently whether it is time to > > >bring the SMPng project to a formal conclusion. > >=20 > > As the instigator of this particular notion, I am obviously all for it. >=20 > I basically said the same thing at the USENIX FreeBSD BoF. :) Excellent, sounds like there is no disagreement. Do you want to shoot your own dog (again) :-) Kris --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEjY4lWry0BWjoQKURAqAgAJ9UqpPE0LAIW49FftX9NWfSsqv8xACfZ5oD WgxQjn1hneVtPE4XuP7ge8Q= =W1Jg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24-- From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 12 21:12:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C78C16A41F for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (mail.1command.com [216.177.243.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECED43D69 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:12:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (localhost.1command.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5CLCa8m085902 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k5CLCZHw085901 for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@1command.com) Received: from ns1.1command.com (ns1.1command.com [216.177.243.34]) by webmail.1command.com (H.R. Communications Messaging System) with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:12:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20060612141235.3f7woozpc4888ksc@webmail.1command.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:12:35 -0700 From: "Chris H." To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org References: <20060606195938.GA6581@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20060606195938.GA6581@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_5srrmf2kyx8o"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: H.R. Communications Internet Messaging System (HCIMS) 4.1 Professional (not for redistribution) / FreeBSD-5.5 Subject: Re: Concluding the SMPng project X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:12:40 -0000 This message is in MIME format and has been PGP signed. --=_5srrmf2kyx8o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quoting Kris Kennaway : > Several of us have been discussing recently whether it is time to > bring the SMPng project to a formal conclusion. > > According to the SMPng project webpage, > > "The end goal of the SMPng Project is to decompose the Giant lock > into a number of smaller locks, resulting in reduced contention (and > improved SMP performance)." > > Thanks to the hard work of many developers over the past ~6 years, this > goal is now complete. > > While Giant has not been completely eliminated from the kernel and > several subsystems are still giant-locked (notably ipv6, tty, and CAM, > although work is in progress on all of these fronts), kernel profiling > traces show that for many real-world application loads the Giant lock > is simply no longer a factor in the performance of the SMP kernel. > > See e.g. > > http://www.bsdcan.org/2006/papers/FilesystemPerformance.pdf > > for one such measurement of the extent of Giant locking in FreeBSD > 6.x; other real-world application workloads are similar. > > Some of the benefits of formally concluding the SMPng project are: > > * The focus of SMP development work has largely changed from "break up > Giant everywhere" to "carefully measure the effects of the locking > decisions that were made, and optimize for greater performance and > scalability". This is a major milestone and should be announced to > the world, perhaps under the banner of a new "FreeBSD Scalability > Project". > > * For example, a number of us are looking very closely at the nascent > FreeBSD port to the Sun Ultrasparc T1, which provides 32 virtual CPUs > (4 threads on 8 CPU cores) on a single chip. Optimizing for the new > generation of SMP hardware is going to be a major effort over the > coming year. Ahh, so the contributions made by the PIII & PIV CPU's were merely to obtain access to the Sparc systems, and the PIII & PIV will be relegated to the ubiquitous I386 scrap heap, as the future and ultimate goal of FreeBSD is to be Sun Microsystems. Pitty, FreeBSD has always provided such wide scalability. So easy to implement on so many architectures. I wish I had known it's agenda years ago. As I would not have spent so many years and so many dollars building *BSD based infrastructures. Perhaps I've misunderstood this announcement. But if not; good riddance. > > * We get to draw a line under the significant architectural changes of > the past 6 years and move forward. Throughout the 5.x branch I think > there was still a lot of developer mentality that it represented a > work in progress, but I think there's a broad consensus that 6.x is > the natural conclusion of that process, and we have a new baseline > upon which to build for the future. > > * There were many people who were unsure whether the goals of the > SMPng project could be realised or whether the tasks that the FreeBSD > project set for itself were just too ambitious. While SMP work > remains ongoing, I think it's fair to say that the project has > addressed this criticism admirably, and we should not be shy about > advertising this achievement. > > Kris -- Shameless self-promotion follows... ... or does it? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p12 (SMP - 900x2) Tue Mar 7 19:37:23 PST 2006 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// --=_5srrmf2kyx8o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: PGP Digital Signature Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEjdjDXxK1cRs0zxkRAobJAJ4jY0VAPt2xH1NHwDHaePdZO4HUCQCfXmym gu11ruzoxD+Cvbg/todbbtE= =aAMS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_5srrmf2kyx8o-- From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 12 22:00:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A8316A41A for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550FB43D45 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:00:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3674C1A4DAA; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6F53F51AA9; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:00:05 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Chris H." Message-ID: <20060612220005.GA74601@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20060606195938.GA6581@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060612141235.3f7woozpc4888ksc@webmail.1command.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060612141235.3f7woozpc4888ksc@webmail.1command.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Concluding the SMPng project X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:00:06 -0000 --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:12:35PM -0700, Chris H. wrote: > >* For example, a number of us are looking very closely at the nascent > >FreeBSD port to the Sun Ultrasparc T1, which provides 32 virtual CPUs > >(4 threads on 8 CPU cores) on a single chip. Optimizing for the new > >generation of SMP hardware is going to be a major effort over the > >coming year. >=20 > Ahh, so the contributions made by the PIII & PIV CPU's were merely to > obtain access to the Sparc systems, and the PIII & PIV will be relegated > to the ubiquitous I386 scrap heap, as the future and ultimate goal of > FreeBSD is to be Sun Microsystems. Pitty, FreeBSD has always provided > such wide scalability. So easy to implement on so many architectures. > I wish I had known it's agenda years ago. As I would not have spent > so many years and so many dollars building *BSD based infrastructures. > Perhaps I've misunderstood this announcement. But if not; > good riddance. LOL, you've managed to completely misconstrue my email. Well done! Kris --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEjePkWry0BWjoQKURAjiYAJ94vCKYu36+LvyVZrUzSZU9GPAouACg8/cJ biUXNWRAZgDCS2QE7taI+Pg= =yL9g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --d6Gm4EdcadzBjdND-- From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 13 13:34:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AE216A41B for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6D043D4C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from zion.baldwin.cx (zion.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5DDYVuG022964; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:34:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, yckuo@yckuo.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:13:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606130913.11160.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.1]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:34:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1537/Tue Jun 13 07:24:06 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Subject: Re: SMP Kernel Panic in 6.1-RC1 during mount root filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:36 -0000 On Wednesday 19 April 2006 22:04, Ying-Chih Kuo wrote: > sorry for last mail ,it encoded. >=20 > I have a quad xeon piii-550 box ,it works on 4.11 SMP very well. > now i "install" (not upgrade) 6.1-RC1 in this box. > it works very well without SMP, but with SMP (with or with acpi) ,always > PANIC,PANIC,PANIC... >=20 > i got DDB stack trace, http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D96049 >=20 > help me,please. Hmm, I'm not sure why you are getting that panic. You might have better lucking posting on current@ or stable@. =2D-=20 John Baldwin =A0<>< =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" =A0=3D =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 13 13:34:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EA616A474 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0609643D53 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from zion.baldwin.cx (zion.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5DDYVuF022964; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:34:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:11:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060606195938.GA6581@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060612141235.3f7woozpc4888ksc@webmail.1command.com> In-Reply-To: <20060612141235.3f7woozpc4888ksc@webmail.1command.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606130911.10775.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.1]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1537/Tue Jun 13 07:24:06 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: "Chris H." Subject: Re: Concluding the SMPng project X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:34:38 -0000 On Monday 12 June 2006 17:12, Chris H. wrote: > Quoting Kris Kennaway : >=20 > > Several of us have been discussing recently whether it is time to > > bring the SMPng project to a formal conclusion. > > > > According to the SMPng project webpage, > > > > "The end goal of the SMPng Project is to decompose the Giant lock > > into a number of smaller locks, resulting in reduced contention (and > > improved SMP performance)." > > > > Thanks to the hard work of many developers over the past ~6 years, this > > goal is now complete. > > > > While Giant has not been completely eliminated from the kernel and > > several subsystems are still giant-locked (notably ipv6, tty, and CAM, > > although work is in progress on all of these fronts), kernel profiling > > traces show that for many real-world application loads the Giant lock > > is simply no longer a factor in the performance of the SMP kernel. > > > > See e.g. > > > > http://www.bsdcan.org/2006/papers/FilesystemPerformance.pdf > > > > for one such measurement of the extent of Giant locking in FreeBSD > > 6.x; other real-world application workloads are similar. > > > > Some of the benefits of formally concluding the SMPng project are: > > > > * The focus of SMP development work has largely changed from "break up > > Giant everywhere" to "carefully measure the effects of the locking > > decisions that were made, and optimize for greater performance and > > scalability". This is a major milestone and should be announced to > > the world, perhaps under the banner of a new "FreeBSD Scalability > > Project". > > > > * For example, a number of us are looking very closely at the nascent > > FreeBSD port to the Sun Ultrasparc T1, which provides 32 virtual CPUs > > (4 threads on 8 CPU cores) on a single chip. Optimizing for the new > > generation of SMP hardware is going to be a major effort over the > > coming year. >=20 > Ahh, so the contributions made by the PIII & PIV CPU's were merely to > obtain access to the Sparc systems, and the PIII & PIV will be relegated > to the ubiquitous I386 scrap heap, as the future and ultimate goal of > FreeBSD is to be Sun Microsystems. Pitty, FreeBSD has always provided > such wide scalability. So easy to implement on so many architectures. > I wish I had known it's agenda years ago. As I would not have spent > so many years and so many dollars building *BSD based infrastructures. > Perhaps I've misunderstood this announcement. But if not; > good riddance. Umm, no. However, with multi-core becoming more fashionable, x86 systems are going to start having more and more CPUs as well, so FreeBSD needs to work on scaling up to more than say 4 CPUs. =2D-=20 John Baldwin =A0<>< =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" =A0=3D =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 13 14:01:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1F916A46F for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hsoftdev17@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE7743D5D for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:01:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hsoftdev17@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i24so1398595wra for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t3RUSYkTC86LTmf/lx6ZTtAqRqhes7AbTtIoMyTyUAVCjcRNSCKF9RZVuTqGrzQCrEYo+oZQU8s6cJYmRgPaMbRKtXzj/v+NkeoL0BJ6pfEbz5jGTzoTENgB6sojv3oy19Zn1EfP0y+tAgjHjf/BK/nd7xPygLyUrj5JHTFCiy4= Received: by 10.54.140.8 with SMTP id n8mr2688748wrd; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.81.6 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6845d25a0606130701y77bdb7b4kb82162613b28d151@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:01:13 -0400 From: "Dave Stephens" To: "John Baldwin" In-Reply-To: <200606130911.10775.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060606195938.GA6581@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060612141235.3f7woozpc4888ksc@webmail.1command.com> <200606130911.10775.jhb@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, "Chris H." Subject: Re: Concluding the SMPng project X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:01:21 -0000 I have a low end "server" with a 3.2ghz single core P4 but HT is disabled by default and that seems like a waste to me. So my two cents would love to see actual useful gains from HT processors if requests are being made. :) On 6/13/06, John Baldwin wrote: > On Monday 12 June 2006 17:12, Chris H. wrote: > > Quoting Kris Kennaway : > > > > > Several of us have been discussing recently whether it is time to > > > bring the SMPng project to a formal conclusion. > > > > > > According to the SMPng project webpage, > > > > > > "The end goal of the SMPng Project is to decompose the Giant lock > > > into a number of smaller locks, resulting in reduced contention (and > > > improved SMP performance)." > > > > > > Thanks to the hard work of many developers over the past ~6 years, this > > > goal is now complete. > > > > > > While Giant has not been completely eliminated from the kernel and > > > several subsystems are still giant-locked (notably ipv6, tty, and CAM, > > > although work is in progress on all of these fronts), kernel profiling > > > traces show that for many real-world application loads the Giant lock > > > is simply no longer a factor in the performance of the SMP kernel. > > > > > > See e.g. > > > > > > http://www.bsdcan.org/2006/papers/FilesystemPerformance.pdf > > > > > > for one such measurement of the extent of Giant locking in FreeBSD > > > 6.x; other real-world application workloads are similar. > > > > > > Some of the benefits of formally concluding the SMPng project are: > > > > > > * The focus of SMP development work has largely changed from "break up > > > Giant everywhere" to "carefully measure the effects of the locking > > > decisions that were made, and optimize for greater performance and > > > scalability". This is a major milestone and should be announced to > > > the world, perhaps under the banner of a new "FreeBSD Scalability > > > Project". > > > > > > * For example, a number of us are looking very closely at the nascent > > > FreeBSD port to the Sun Ultrasparc T1, which provides 32 virtual CPUs > > > (4 threads on 8 CPU cores) on a single chip. Optimizing for the new > > > generation of SMP hardware is going to be a major effort over the > > > coming year. > > > > Ahh, so the contributions made by the PIII & PIV CPU's were merely to > > obtain access to the Sparc systems, and the PIII & PIV will be relegated > > to the ubiquitous I386 scrap heap, as the future and ultimate goal of > > FreeBSD is to be Sun Microsystems. Pitty, FreeBSD has always provided > > such wide scalability. So easy to implement on so many architectures. > > I wish I had known it's agenda years ago. As I would not have spent > > so many years and so many dollars building *BSD based infrastructures. > > Perhaps I've misunderstood this announcement. But if not; > > good riddance. > > Umm, no. However, with multi-core becoming more fashionable, x86 systems > are going to start having more and more CPUs as well, so FreeBSD needs to > work on scaling up to more than say 4 CPUs. > > -- > John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 15 11:15:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054FD16A47C for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:15:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rennina_1nix@yahoo.it) Received: from smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B1E643D55 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:15:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rennina_1nix@yahoo.it) Received: (qmail 17014 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2006 11:15:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.it; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=4wusBVR1bkYw5Bxkjjo0J66FOjuUQ0tPSiEimLyL5C2mOD7pnkMTwBq/BzIRlGc266wa/fbpcGi6C1OzQxonV1Omn+fTaHzN29DfzLee47mKzg2fwyN0bvcOeSfvVyrVhVGPMRno3gmQg/7Jf9S6Lfm+YoZQ10SE/4FSdf4JN5E= ; Received: from unknown (HELO pc07) (rennina?1nix@80.206.87.233 with login) by smtp005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2006 11:15:20 -0000 From: "Giuliano Caglio" To: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:15:19 +0200 Message-ID: <007001c6906c$fd172ce0$1601a8c0@oandsi.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaQbPx13P7XNgt5RkyMcfrFHa1W/A== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: HP Netserver LT 6000r X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:15:23 -0000 Good morning! =20 I=92ve recently read the page at this link HYPERLINK "http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-smp/2005-July/000907.html"htt= p:/ /lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-smp/2005-July/000907.html trying to find an answer to the ACPI / APM problem of installing Linux on a = Netserver lt 6000r. 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Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/364 - Release Date: = 14/06/2006 =20 From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 15 14:24:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CA716A474 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (mail.esiee.fr [147.215.1.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307F343D45 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from f.bonnet@esiee.fr) Received: from mail.esiee.fr (localhost.esiee.fr [127.0.0.1]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AA4673658FD; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [147.215.1.21] (lisa.esiee.fr [147.215.1.21]) by mail.esiee.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905AB3658B1; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:24:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:24:23 +0200 From: Frank Bonnet User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060606) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Proliant servers ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:25 -0000 Hi I'm planning to replace our mailhub with a new HP Proliant 380 with 2 or 4 processors. I warmly welcome any feedback on admins that runs FreeBSD SMP 6.1 on that kind of machines with scsi disks. Thanks -- Cordialement Frank Bonnet To be or not to be -- Shakespeare To do is to be -- Nietzsche To be is to do -- Kant Do be do be do -- Sinatra From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 15 15:02:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657B116A41A for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:02:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Received: from ketralnis.com (melchoir.ketralnis.com [68.183.67.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F345843D46 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:02:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) Received: from [10.0.1.239] (ayla.wifi.int.ketralnis.com [10.0.1.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by ketralnis.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5FF0BUg099946; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dking@ketralnis.com) In-Reply-To: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> References: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F2F1238-BB9B-48D5-A10B-B8F78D4D39A1@ketralnis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David King Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 08:02:41 -0700 To: Frank Bonnet X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proliant servers ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:02:52 -0000 > I'm planning to replace our mailhub with a new HP Proliant 380 > with 2 or 4 processors. I have an HP Netserver 6000r, 4x700mhz, 4GB RAM, 4x80GB scsi disks. It will take up to six procs. It's presently running FreeBSD 5.4 without incident It runs beautifully, and I'm sure it would take 6.1 without trouble at all. > I warmly welcome any feedback on admins that runs FreeBSD SMP > 6.1 on that kind of machines with scsi disks. > > Thanks > -- > Cordialement > Frank Bonnet > > To be or not to be -- Shakespeare > To do is to be -- Nietzsche > To be is to do -- Kant > Do be do be do -- Sinatra From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 15 16:44:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D682116A492 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:44:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@landgren.net) Received: from sferics.mongueurs.net (sferics.mongueurs.net [81.80.147.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B97943D46 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:44:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david@landgren.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (exo.bpinet.com [81.80.147.206]) by sferics.mongueurs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D67A94C; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:44:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44918E50.9010706@landgren.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:44:00 +0200 From: David Landgren Organization: The Lusty Decadent Delights of Imperial Pompeii User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David King References: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> <7F2F1238-BB9B-48D5-A10B-B8F78D4D39A1@ketralnis.com> In-Reply-To: <7F2F1238-BB9B-48D5-A10B-B8F78D4D39A1@ketralnis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Frank Bonnet , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proliant servers ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:44:02 -0000 David King wrote: >> I'm planning to replace our mailhub with a new HP Proliant 380 >> with 2 or 4 processors. > > I have an HP Netserver 6000r, 4x700mhz, 4GB RAM, 4x80GB scsi disks. It > will take up to six procs. It's presently running FreeBSD 5.4 without > incident > > It runs beautifully, and I'm sure it would take 6.1 without trouble at all. > >> I warmly welcome any feedback on admins that runs FreeBSD SMP >> 6.1 on that kind of machines with scsi disks. Similarly, I have 6000r with 6 CPUs, 4x18Gb disks and 2Gb RAM running 6.0-STABLE (as of February 2006). I haven't seen anything suspicious in any shape or form. You might have to disable ACPI (or APCI, I can never remember: the thing that does power management) explicitly, but that's probably a pretty sane thing to do on a server. I'm running 4.10 and 5.2.1 on a number of G3 DL-380s with HP SmartArray RAID setups and no real problems either, apart from cruft slowly building up (but hardly the fault of the OS). I would be pretty confident about installing 6.1 on them (and I probably will this summer). DAvid -- Much of the propaganda that passes for news in our own society is given to immobilising and pacifying people and diverting them from the idea that they can confront power. -- John Pilger From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 15 18:22:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B7E16A47A for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:22:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: from kerplunk.tbe.net (kerplunk.tbe.net [209.123.115.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C6443D53 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:22:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: by kerplunk.tbe.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 008DF5D24; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kerplunk.tbe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CE85CCF; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:17:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Frank Bonnet In-Reply-To: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> Message-ID: <20060615135804.G38400@kerplunk.tbe.net> References: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proliant servers ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:22:02 -0000 > Hi > > I'm planning to replace our mailhub with a new HP Proliant 380 > with 2 or 4 processors. > > I warmly welcome any feedback on admins that runs FreeBSD SMP > 6.1 on that kind of machines with scsi disks. I currently have 2 Proliant DL360 G1 servers running as my mailhub machines. Dual P-III 800Mhz, dual 18GB SCSI drives, mirrored RAID-1 on built-in SMART Array controller, 768MB RAM. They are running 6.1-STABLE, installed as 6.1-RELEASE boxes, then source upgraded to STABLE via normal buildworld procedures. I had to disable ACPI on original install, and keep it off (there is an option under the installer where it asks you if you want to keep it off for the future), otherwise it would hang immediately upon trying to boot. Aside from that, the install went normally, and I've had zero problems since. The RAID array works flawlessly, I had a drive blow out on one machine, I just hot-swapped it with a new one, it rebuilt on the fly, and no on ever noticed anything. No reboot needed, which is the way it should work. The machines are currently running main DNS services, plus Postfix with SpamAssassin, and are our primary MX border servers which handle roughly 30-40k messages per day. Hope this helps. -Gary > Thanks > -- > Cordialement > Frank Bonnet > > To be or not to be -- Shakespeare > To do is to be -- Nietzsche > To be is to do -- Kant > Do be do be do -- Sinatra > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-smp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-smp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-smp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 15 19:56:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9661716A41A for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmicsko@szintezis.hu) Received: from mta01.mail.t-online.hu (mta02.mail.t-online.hu [195.228.240.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC15D43D46 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:56:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gmicsko@szintezis.hu) Received: from dsl51B675E0.pool.t-online.hu (dsl51B675E0.pool.t-online.hu [81.182.117.224]) by mail.t-online.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:56:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Gabor MICSKO To: Frank Bonnet In-Reply-To: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> References: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OW/MXEyM/8r9eek/4r6D" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:56:05 +0200 Message-Id: <1150401365.4643.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proliant servers ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:56:09 -0000 --=-OW/MXEyM/8r9eek/4r6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I have an HP DL 385 Proliant server (2 rack unit). Two dual-core AMD Opteron processor, 3 GB of RAM, four 72 GB hotswap SCSI disk in RAID1 +0.=20 Works fine with FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE. You can find some pics here: http://hup.hu/old/images/hup/HUP/UJHUP/ dmesg output: Copyright (c) 1992-2006 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0: Sun May 7 04:15:57 UTC 2006 root@bloom.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP ACPI APIC Table: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 275 (2205.02-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin =3D "AuthenticAMD" Id =3D 0x20f12 Stepping =3D 2 Features=3D0x178bfbff Features2=3D0x1 AMD Features=3D0xe2500800 AMD Features2=3D0x2 Cores per package: 2 real memory =3D 3221192704 (3071 MB) avail memory =3D 3104718848 (2960 MB) FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 MADT: Forcing active-low polarity and level trigger for SCI ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 irqs 24-27 on motherboard ioapic2 irqs 28-31 on motherboard ioapic3 irqs 32-35 on motherboard ioapic4 irqs 36-39 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-safe" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <32-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x908-0x90b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 cpu2: on acpi0 cpu3: on acpi0 pcib0: on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 3.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 ohci0: mem 0xf7df0000-0xf7df0fff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci1 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: AMD OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered ohci1: mem 0xf7de0000-0xf7de0fff irq 19 at device 0.1 on pci1 ohci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb1: SMM does not respond, resetting usb1: on ohci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: AMD OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered pci1: at device 2.0 (no driver attached) pci1: at device 2.2 (no driver attached) pci1: at device 3.0 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x2000-0x200f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata1: on atapci0 pci0: at device 4.3 (no driver attached) pcib2: at device 7.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 ciss0: port 0x5000-0x50ff mem 0xf7ef0000-0xf7ef1fff,0xf7e80000-0xf7ebffff irq 24 at device 4.0 on pci2 ciss0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pci0: at device 7.1 (no driver attached) pcib3: at device 8.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 bge0: mem 0xf7ff0000-0xf7ffffff irq 28 at device 6.0 on pci3 miibus0: on bge0 brgphy0: on miibus0 brgphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX, 1000baseTX-FDX, auto bge0: Ethernet address: 00:17:a4:3b:40:40 bge1: mem 0xf7fe0000-0xf7feffff irq 29 at device 6.1 on pci3 miibus1: on bge1 brgphy1: on miibus1 brgphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX, 1000baseTX-FDX, auto bge1: Ethernet address: 00:17:a4:3b:40:3f pci0: at device 8.1 (no driver attached) pcib4: on acpi0 pci4: on pcib4 pcib5: at device 9.0 on pci4 pci5: on pcib5 pci4: at device 9.1 (no driver attached) pcib6: at device 10.0 on pci4 pci6: on pcib6 pci4: at device 10.1 (no driver attached) atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 sio0: port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A fdc0: port 0x3f2-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FAST] orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xcbfff,0xee000-0xeffff on isa0 ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=3D0x300> sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (amr_linux, 0xffffffff8062a040, 0) error 6 acd0: CDROM at ata0-master PIO4 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! da0 at ciss0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-0 device da0: 135.168MB/s transfers da0: 138919MB (284506560 512 byte sectors: 255H 32S/T 34866C) Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a bge0: link state changed to UP Cheers, On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 16:24 +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote: > I warmly welcome any feedback on admins that runs FreeBSD SMP > 6.1 on that kind of machines with scsi disks. --=20 Micsk=C3=B3 G=C3=A1bor HP APS, AIS, ASE Szint=C3=A9zis Rt. H-9023 Gy=C5=91r, Tihanyi =C3=81. u. 2. Tel: +36 96 502 221 Fax: +36 96 318 658 E-mail: gmicsko@szintezis.hu --=-OW/MXEyM/8r9eek/4r6D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEkbtVo75Oas+VX1ARAmSqAKCbp27NOzAw5pBkOwwBpg4i67DBSwCcCdSo 2RSc+tulBfdoes9CibSbpyU= =VH43 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OW/MXEyM/8r9eek/4r6D-- From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 16 15:27:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC7316A479; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:27:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yckuo@yckuo.org) Received: from home.yckuo.org (220-134-63-174.HINET-IP.hinet.net [220.134.63.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5F643D46; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:27:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yckuo@yckuo.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gateway.yckuo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676EF48F449; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:42:02 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at yckuo.org Received: from gateway.yckuo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gateway.yckuo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yLWfAf9X7M24; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:42:01 +0800 (CST) Received: by gateway.yckuo.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 72C6048F447; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:42:01 +0800 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gateway.yckuo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653F348F444; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:42:01 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:42:01 +0800 (CST) From: Ying-Chih Kuo To: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: <200606130913.11160.jhb@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <06061411320711.6945@gateway.yckuo.org> References: <200606130913.11160.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1162475645-1150256521=:6945" Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP Kernel Panic in 6.1-RC1 during mount root filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:27:33 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1162475645-1150256521=:6945 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, John Baldwin wrote: > > Hmm, I'm not sure why you are getting that panic. You might have better > lucking posting on current@ or stable@. > > --=20 > John Baldwin =A0<>< =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" =A0=3D =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org > i post to stable@ in the same time, maybe i should=20 give up that kind of the hardware, it's too old, i can't find any new bios= =20 for that. but thank you anyway. yckuo --0-1162475645-1150256521=:6945-- From owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 16 16:23:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF1F16A47B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC78343D6D for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:23:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D63D290C39; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:23:16 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 53400-09; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:23:16 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-7-151-244.eastlink.ca [71.7.151.244]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF58290C1F; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:23:15 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 181F03CB4A; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:23:16 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA383A123; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:23:16 -0300 (ADT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:23:16 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Frank Bonnet In-Reply-To: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> Message-ID: <20060616132214.V1114@ganymede.hub.org> References: <44916D97.3000201@esiee.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proliant servers ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD SMP implementation group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:23:22 -0000 On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hi > > I'm planning to replace our mailhub with a new HP Proliant 380 > with 2 or 4 processors. > > I warmly welcome any feedback on admins that runs FreeBSD SMP > 6.1 on that kind of machines with scsi disks. I'm running an HP Proliant 360 G4P ... SMP, 4xSAS drive and *so far* the two I picked up have been a dream, and looking forward to picking up more ... Just wish HP would acknowledge we existed :( ---- Marc G. 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