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From: Ceri Davies
To: Daniel Gerzo
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Subject: Re: www/92474: [patch] fix for the xsl template
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On 28 Jan 2006, at 22:09, Daniel Gerzo wrote:
> As we are not in the middle of RC (and the $beta.testing is set to
> '0'),
> the web pages generated from xsl are still containing URLs for 6.0-RC1
> because of this wrong "if".
Can you give an example? I've just checked the two pages that use
this code and they look fine.
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From: Daniel Gerzo
To: Ceri Davies
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Subject: Re[2]: www/92474: [patch] fix for the xsl template
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:38:33 +0100
Hello Ceri,
Sunday, February 5, 2006, 1:20:35 AM, you wrote:
> On 28 Jan 2006, at 22:09, Daniel Gerzo wrote:
>> As we are not in the middle of RC (and the $beta.testing is set to
>> '0'),
>> the web pages generated from xsl are still containing URLs for 6.0-RC1
>> because of this wrong "if".
> Can you give an example? I've just checked the two pages that use
> this code and they look fine.
if the xsl template uses this:
then you can see the bug, but actually I wasn't able to find any page
which uses this currently. I found this bug when I was XML'ifying the
release todo list.
> Ceri
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Daniel Gerzo
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Hello Scott,
Sunday, February 5, 2006, 12:30:02 AM, you wrote:
> Hmm, I wasn't aware that there was such a TODO item. What are the
http://wikitest.freebsd.org/moin.cgi/DocIdeaList
> advantages to switching our process to XML here?
It should be a lot easier for people editing the todo list to
change for example the class from showstopper to testing, simply by
editing the class="" attribute in element in todo.xml and
the xsl template will take over other work for you. You don't need
to move a long part of html code down to the other section. Also,
it is possible to sort the list (it's sorted by Issue name now)
> Scott
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Daniel Gerzo
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Hello Scott,
Sunday, February 5, 2006, 12:30:02 AM, you wrote:
> Hmm, I wasn't aware that there was such a TODO item. What are the
> advantages to switching our process to XML here?
and people don't need to bother about html tables and html at all
when adding/editing/removing the entries since they are all in one
separated file - todo.xml.
> Scott
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Daniel Gerzo
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Good catch. Cheers.
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=92474
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On 2006.02.04 20:33:54 +0100, K=F6vesd=E1n G=E1bor wrote:
> I'm translating the FreeBSD webpage to Hungarian. I haven't done too=20
> much so far, because I don't have too much spare time, but I'll finish=20
> this translation. Today, I made a test build. You can see this here:
> http://tux.t-hosting.hu/data
> The most part of it is still in English but there are some translated=20
> pages. The build succeeded quite good, I've found my mistakes easily and=
=20
> managed to build the site, but I have troubles with one of the localized=
=20
> characters. This is The o letter with two commas on it. Its standard=20
> html code is ő, but the sgml parser substitutes it with a Q char. I=
=20
> don't see why does it happen and don't know how to fix it. There are two=
=20
> more problematic characters, and they are ® and ™. They are=20
> also substituted in a wrong way. See:
> http://tux.t-hosting.hu/data/about.html
> You can notice the Z character with a ?? sign after the word Pentium and=
=20
> a " after Athlon.
> How could I correctly display these characters? Please tell me what to=20
> do so that we have a nice Hungarian webpage. :)
>=20
> (I use Firefox and it selects the ISO-8859-2 Central European encoding=20
> automatically.)
I think the problem is that your web server forces a character set
which prevents the character set in the HTML from taking effect:
[simon@zaphod:~] fetch -o /dev/null -vv http://tux.t-hosting.hu/data/about.=
html | & grep Content-Type:
<<< Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-2
I'm not exactly sure how some of the other translations are handling
using non ISO-8859-1, but since e.g. ja and ru translations use
something which definitely isn't Latin characters I'm sure it can be
done. See how those translations changes the character set as needed.
--=20
Simon L. Nielsen
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Daniel Gerzo wrote
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da> Sunday, February 5, 2006, 12:30:02 AM, you wrote:
da> > advantages to switching our process to XML here?
da>
da> It should be a lot easier for people editing the todo list to
da> change for example the class from showstopper to testing, simply by
da> editing the class="" attribute in element in todo.xml and
da> the xsl template will take over other work for you. You don't need
da> to move a long part of html code down to the other section. Also,
da> it is possible to sort the list (it's sorted by Issue name now)
Well, I agree that XML is useful but I believe this sort of simple
.html-->.xml conversion has few advantages because .html is
simpler than .xml + .xsl + .dtd and many developers are familiar
with HTML.
So if we do so, I think we need to make clear the benefits.
I personally think simplification and/or improving reusability
can become an advantage, but since whether it makes editing easier
or not depends on who edits it and how frequently it will be edited,
it is not persuasive very much.
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Subject: Re[2]: [patch] XML'ified version of release todo list
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Hi Hiroki,
Sunday, February 5, 2006, 5:33:06 PM, you answered:
> Daniel Gerzo wrote
> in <2410146308.20060205115220@rulez.sk>:
da>> Sunday, February 5, 2006, 12:30:02 AM, you wrote:
da>> > advantages to switching our process to XML here?
da>>
da>> It should be a lot easier for people editing the todo list to
da>> change for example the class from showstopper to testing, simply by
da>> editing the class="" attribute in element in todo.xml and
da>> the xsl template will take over other work for you. You don't need
da>> to move a long part of html code down to the other section. Also,
da>> it is possible to sort the list (it's sorted by Issue name now)
> Well, I agree that XML is useful but I believe this sort of simple
> .html-->.xml conversion has few advantages because .html is
you probably meant disadvantages (otherwise it doesn't make sence for
me)
> simpler than .xml + .xsl + .dtd and many developers are familiar
> with HTML.
yeah, I agree here, but developers editing the todo list don't have
to bother about .xsl and .dtd, they just need to work with todo.xml
which is basically very simple.
> So if we do so, I think we need to make clear the benefits.
> I personally think simplification and/or improving reusability
> can become an advantage, but since whether it makes editing easier
> or not depends on who edits it and how frequently it will be edited,
> it is not persuasive very much.
well, the frequency depends on release periods in which these files
will be edited, and since we switched in time-based releases this is
even more clear how often it will be edited.
Actually, why to have doubts about this if it is already done? :-)
> --
> | Hiroki SATO
--
Sincerely
Daniel Gerzo
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Subject: Re: How to handle localized characters ans special symbols?
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Simon L. Nielsen wrote:
>On 2006.02.04 20:33:54 +0100, Kövesdán Gábor wrote:
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>>I'm translating the FreeBSD webpage to Hungarian. I haven't done too
>>much so far, because I don't have too much spare time, but I'll finish
>>this translation. Today, I made a test build. You can see this here:
>>http://tux.t-hosting.hu/data
>>The most part of it is still in English but there are some translated
>>pages. The build succeeded quite good, I've found my mistakes easily and
>>managed to build the site, but I have troubles with one of the localized
>>characters. This is The o letter with two commas on it. Its standard
>>html code is ő, but the sgml parser substitutes it with a Q char. I
>>don't see why does it happen and don't know how to fix it. There are two
>>more problematic characters, and they are ® and ™. They are
>>also substituted in a wrong way. See:
>>http://tux.t-hosting.hu/data/about.html
>>You can notice the Z character with a ?? sign after the word Pentium and
>>a " after Athlon.
>>How could I correctly display these characters? Please tell me what to
>>do so that we have a nice Hungarian webpage. :)
>>
>>(I use Firefox and it selects the ISO-8859-2 Central European encoding
>>automatically.)
>>
>>
>
>I think the problem is that your web server forces a character set
>which prevents the character set in the HTML from taking effect:
>
>[simon@zaphod:~] fetch -o /dev/null -vv http://tux.t-hosting.hu/data/about.html | & grep Content-Type:
><<< Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2
>
>I'm not exactly sure how some of the other translations are handling
>using non ISO-8859-1, but since e.g. ja and ru translations use
>something which definitely isn't Latin characters I'm sure it can be
>done. See how those translations changes the character set as needed.
>
>
>
I've found out, it's not just about the charset used by the browser. The
SGML parser substitutes ő with Q. If ő remained in the html
files, the browser would display them correctly. I tried to put this to
my Makefile, to override the default in web.bsd.mk, hoping that SGML
parser will not make this unwanted substitution any more:
SGMLNORMOPTS= -d ${SGMLNORMFLAGS} -c ${CATALOG} -D ${.CURDIR} -biso-8859-2
But no use.
I get a new problem recently, too. According to
http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/iso8879doc/isolat1.html the entities
á é etc... are accepted standards in the XML language, but
if I put these character into an .xsl file, e.g. index.xsl the web build
will fail.
Anyway, I've realized if I simply write a character Å‘ into the sgml
sources it remaines good, but I don't know how standard and portable
this solution is. I would like to make my work as standard and portable
as it can be.
As for the Russian website, they just type their characters according to
their charset, and I see strange chaarcters in the sources. It is
definitely working, but isn't there some more elegant solution? Like
á instead of á, é instead of é, etc...
Thanks,
Gabor
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>Number: 92898
>Category: www
>Synopsis: [patch] s/logo/Logo for consistency in art.sgml
>Confidential: no
>Severity: non-critical
>Priority: low
>Responsible: freebsd-www
>State: open
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>Release: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p17 amd64
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>Description:
This is a small consistency stlye fix.
>How-To-Repeat:
>Fix:
--- art.sgml.diff begins here ---
--- art.sgml.orig Mon Feb 6 16:48:43 2006
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@@ -70,7 +70,7 @@
alt="Powered by FreeBSD Logo" height="64"
border="0">
|
+ alt="Powered by FreeBSD Logo" height="64">
|
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>Number: 92973
>Category: www
>Synopsis: [patch] mailto.sgml
>Confidential: no
>Severity: non-critical
>Priority: low
>Responsible: freebsd-www
>State: open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
>Date-Required:
>Class: change-request
>Submitter-Id: current-users
>Arrival-Date: Tue Feb 07 15:20:04 GMT 2006
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator: Gabor Kovesdan
>Release: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p17 amd64
>Organization:
n/a
>Environment:
>Description:
s/CDROM/CD-ROM/ for consistency. It's used in this way on the website.
>How-To-Repeat:
>Fix:
--- mailto.sgml.diff begins here ---
--- mailto.sgml.orig Tue Feb 7 16:05:57 2006
+++ mailto.sgml Tue Feb 7 16:06:59 2006
@@ -29,7 +29,7 @@
Snail mail, phone and fax
- For CDROM orders: The FreeBSD Mall
+ For CD-ROM orders: The FreeBSD Mall
For commercial support: The
FreeBSD Mall
--- mailto.sgml.diff ends here ---
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>Number: 92986
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>Synopsis: [patch] some modification and updates for projects/newbies.html
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>Description:
I've added some more content, modified a few lines and fixed some links,
and removed smilies ":-)". Built version is available at:
http://www.sk.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.new.html
>How-To-Repeat:
http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html
>Fix:
--- newbies.diff begins here ---
--- /usr/home/danger/www/en/projects/newbies.sgml.orig Tue Feb 7 18:00:38 2006
+++ /usr/home/danger/www/en/projects/newbies.sgml Tue Feb 7 18:47:50 2006
@@ -4,6 +4,8 @@
%navincludes;
%includes;
+
+
]>
@@ -30,13 +32,12 @@
The Documentation page has links to the
Handbook and FAQ, tutorials, information about contributing to the
Documentation Project, documents in languages other than English,
- and much more.
+ online manual pages, and much more.
The Support page contains a wealth of
information about FreeBSD, including mailing lists, user groups, web
@@ -47,11 +48,15 @@
- If you have not yet installed, look for the
+
If you have not yet installed, and have not yet decided
+ which version of FreeBSD is the best for your needs, the Choosing
+ the FreeBSD Version That Is Right For You article is meant
+ to help you to decide. You should most probably look for the
latest mainstream release.
(See the Handbook for why you should not be tempted
by any of the other branches.) Before you begin, carefully read the
- installation instructions,
+ installation instructions,
as well as each one of the *.TXT files in the FTP directory
or on the installation CD. They are there because they contain information
that you will need. Also pick up the latest
@@ -63,7 +68,7 @@
instructions for a previous version are still available before
you begin. That should make the whole process a lot clearer.
- A number of short
+ A number of short
articles and tutorials are available. The short tutorial,
For
People New to Both FreeBSD and Unix, is popular with absolute
@@ -75,7 +80,7 @@
The first thing many people need to set up is ppp, and there is
a lot of documentation to help. You might start with at least those
parts of the
- Handbook
+ Handbook
that are relevant to your needs, and explore the
ppp page
for links to the other valuable information and the latest updates.
@@ -87,8 +92,8 @@
everything you need to know to set up and run a FreeBSD system. You
also get to understand what you are doing and why.
- The FreeBSD Handbook and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) are the
+
The FreeBSD Handbook and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) are the
main documents for FreeBSD. Essential reading, they contain a lot of
material for newbies as well as some pretty advanced stuff. Do not
worry if you are unable to understand the advanced sections. The handbook
@@ -127,6 +132,12 @@
easier.
+ The &unix;
+ Basics chapter of the FreeBSD Handbook covers the basic
+ commands and functionality of FreeBSD operating system. Most
+ of information provided in this document is also relevant for
+ any other &unix;-like operating system.
+
There are many easy books, such as the "Dummies" guides, in any
large book shop. If you want something really easy, take a look at
what is available and pick one that seems to speak your language.
@@ -200,9 +211,9 @@
For basic information about installing, configuring and using the
X Window System, three of the books mentioned above have sections
dealing with X at beginner level:
- The FreeBSD Handbook,
- The Complete FreeBSD, and
- UNIX for the Impatient.
+ The X Window System chapter
+ of the FreeBSD Handbook, The Complete FreeBSD,
+ and UNIX for the Impatient.
Before you can get X running exactly the way you like, you will need
to choose a window manager.
@@ -220,7 +231,7 @@
Everyone has something to contribute to the FreeBSD community, even
newbies! Some are busy working with the new advocacy group and some have
become involved with the
- Documentation Project as reviewers.
+ Documentation Project as reviewers.
Other FreeBSD newbies might have particular skills and experiences to
share, either computer related or not, or just want to meet new
newbies and make them feel welcome. There are always people around
@@ -230,7 +241,7 @@
chatting on the phone or across a pizza with someone who has the
same interests, enjoys similar accomplishments, and faces the same
challenges. If you do not have many friends who use FreeBSD,
- consider using your old FreeBSD CDs to create some more :-)
+ consider using your old FreeBSD CDs to create some more.
User groups are
good places to meet other FreeBSD users. If there is no one nearby,
@@ -238,14 +249,8 @@
Before talking to real humans about your new skills, you might
want to check the Jargon File :-)
+ href="http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/index.html">Jargon File.
- Online, we have the
- FreeBSD-questions
- mailing list for questions and discussions about using
- FreeBSD.
-
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