From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 10 11:03:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE55616A5F7 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:03:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1D843D60 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:03:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6AB3QQI055837 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:03:26 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k6AB3PCb055833 for freebsd-x11@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:03:25 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:03:25 GMT Message-Id: <200607101103.k6AB3PCb055833@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:03:29 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2005/11/15] ports/89074 x11 Segmentation Violation during "make insta o [2006/01/20] ports/92071 x11 Problem with Xorg and SIS630/730 integrat o [2006/01/22] ports/92137 x11 x11-server/xorg-{server,nestserver,prints a [2006/01/22] ports/92169 x11 Xorg 6.9, Matrox mga, dri broken (MGAGetB o [2006/02/01] ports/92672 x11 X.org 6.9.0 brak down sync mga_hal dirver o [2006/02/09] ports/93071 x11 x11-servers/xorg-server: Resume fails on o [2006/02/24] ports/93777 x11 Starting xorg-server requires reloading s o [2006/05/08] ports/96966 x11 Fatal server error: xf86EnableIO: Failed o [2006/05/10] ports/97084 x11 Xorg 6.9.0 Locks Up Keyboard and Mouse o [2006/05/16] ports/97367 x11 vlc and gmplayer crash with X error 10 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2004/11/09] ports/73743 x11 XOrg/XFree xauth add/startx problem s [2005/08/19] ports/85132 x11 XOrg 6.8.2 won't start on Toshiba Satelli s [2005/10/16] ports/87528 x11 Missing koi8-r encoding for xorg-fonts-en f [2005/11/21] ports/89349 x11 xorg problem: math/gnuplot: BadAtom (inva o [2006/02/21] ports/93667 x11 x11/xorg-libraries: undefined symbol in l o [2006/03/07] ports/94167 x11 [patch] x11/xorg-clients: install xdm/Xst o [2006/03/11] ports/94331 x11 x11/xorg: advocating for DRI support for o [2006/04/27] ports/96436 x11 [patch] x11/xorg-clients: logging on xdm o [2006/06/20] ports/99206 x11 x11-servers/XFree86-4-Server broken (make 9 problems total. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 11 13:33:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1528116A4E0 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAC443D49 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:32:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 23281 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2006 13:32:55 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Jul 2006 13:32:54 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 0459F28449; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:32:54 -0400 (EDT) To: Warren Liddell References: <200607102232.51349.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:32:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200607102232.51349.shinjii@virusinfo.rdksupportinc.com> (Warren Liddell's message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:32:50 +1000") Message-ID: <44mzbgw9kq.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error Upgrading XFree86-4-clients X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:33:12 -0000 Warren Liddell writes: > im Running FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE and the last week or more i have had problems > trying to upgrade this port .. below is the full work up of trying to install > the package manually from the ports. Any assistance into whats happening > would be appreciated. > > ============================== > exports/lib > glxinfo.o -lGLU -lGL -lXext -lX11 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -pthread -lm -Wl,-rpath,/usr/X11R6/lib -Wl,-rpath-link,/usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-clients/work/xc/exports/lib > /usr/bin/ld: warning: libstdc++.so.3, needed by /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so, not > found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__rtti_user' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__rtti_si' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__get_eh_context' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__sjthrow' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__builtin_vec_new' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__builtin_vec_delete' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__rtti_class' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__builtin_delete' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__terminate' > /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so: undefined reference to `__builtin_new' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-clients/work/xc/programs/glxinfo. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-clients/work/xc/programs. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-clients. libGLU.so is trying to pull in an old version of the libstdc++.so. I'm guessing this happens on install? From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 12 22:24:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267FB16A4E5; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:24:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from mail.ijs.si (mail4.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425DB43D5D; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:24:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from localhost (mail4.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014DA17B8F1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:24:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si Received: from mail.ijs.si ([193.2.4.66]) by localhost (mail.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdfIIlGZKXzn; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from edina.ijs.si (edina.ijs.si [193.2.4.3]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0E817B8B0; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from radagast.ijs.si (radagast.ijs.si [193.2.4.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by edina.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EB950828; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.ijs.si (localhost.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) by radagast.ijs.si (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CMOIxo052376; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:24:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) From: Dejan Lesjak To: ports@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Length: 1843 X-UID: 1488 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:24:03 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4607109.QuoWKIQQil"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:24:36 -0000 --nextPart4607109.QuoWKIQQil Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello, There were a couple of debates already concerning /usr/X11R6 as prefix for = X11=20 ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by default install there.=20 Quite some people were, when creating a new port that depends on X11,=20 wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or LOCALBASE. More than once a=20 question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should be just dropped or at leas= t=20 only retained for core X11 distribution. With the upcoming X.org 7.x ports= =20 there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix merger along that. Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify above dilemma. It would be al= so=20 more similar to where linux distributions are going (at least Gentoo, Debia= n=20 and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr which, while=20 not /usr/local is the location of where all packages install - depending on= =20 X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous discussions, it would be= =20 more convenient to people with separate mounts for installed packages as=20 well. /usr/local is also the default value for --prefix configure option fo= r=20 X.org packages. So it is general intention to go with /usr/local or rather ${LOCALBASE} as= =20 prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is horribly wrong, please=20 speak up. On behalf of x11 team, Dejan --nextPart4607109.QuoWKIQQil Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEtXaSHafbxJbFIh8RAvn9AJ9FIWS2iUmooqqTPalIxaqMGZd2owCfUX+I JcdPbzn64dbOKqDDMQgxFHM= =Q349 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4607109.QuoWKIQQil-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 12 22:34:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BF116A4DE for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:34:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john_m_cooper@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp102.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 109FC43D46 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:34:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john_m_cooper@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24701 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2006 22:34:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ctPThyPIcLX2ZJFS70yXbqJMCplVIPbQCN3dxH8MgbUymRa8yHf10nsuMY78M0S8j7IoeBifHrwYuSeqm+MKFZ28DYyJuYKBdVBUnT7SEps0nYVAghWOyVKablJNpAcWsgXS1x6WfLFiVRWsjgR8n5Luu/2zTX8m5tzsGNXILQw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO borgdemon2.clspco.adelphia.net) (j.m.cooper@borgsdemons.com@67.22.17.55 with login) by smtp102.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2006 22:34:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by borgdemon2.clspco.adelphia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E685C46; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:34:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44B578EE.202@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:34:22 -0500 From: John Merryweather Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060617) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dejan Lesjak References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> In-Reply-To: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:34:28 -0000 Dejan Lesjak wrote: > Hello, > > There were a couple of debates already concerning /usr/X11R6 as prefix for X11 > ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by default install there. > Quite some people were, when creating a new port that depends on X11, > wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or LOCALBASE. More than once a > question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should be just dropped or at least > only retained for core X11 distribution. With the upcoming X.org 7.x ports > there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix merger along that. > Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify above dilemma. It would be also > more similar to where linux distributions are going (at least Gentoo, Debian > and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr which, while > not /usr/local is the location of where all packages install - depending on > X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous discussions, it would be > more convenient to people with separate mounts for installed packages as > well. /usr/local is also the default value for --prefix configure option for > X.org packages. > So it is general intention to go with /usr/local or rather ${LOCALBASE} as > prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is horribly wrong, please > speak up. > > On behalf of x11 team, > Dejan > What impact (if any) would the doubling or tripling of the number of files in ./bin have on searching along PATH? Would we be shooting ourselves in the foot if we did this? jmc From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 12 23:04:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B3716A4E0; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (12-207-12-9.client.mchsi.com [12.207.12.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC9243D4C; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:04:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CN4mcd039037; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:04:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k6CN4lnH039036; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:04:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:04:47 -0500 From: Brooks Davis To: John Merryweather Cooper Message-ID: <20060712230447.GA38540@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B578EE.202@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B578EE.202@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:04:53 -0000 --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 05:34:22PM -0500, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > Dejan Lesjak wrote: > >Hello, > > > >There were a couple of debates already concerning /usr/X11R6 as prefix f= or=20 > >X11 ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by default install= =20 > >there. Quite some people were, when creating a new port that depends on= =20 > >X11, wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or LOCALBASE. More than once= a=20 > >question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should be just dropped or at= =20 > >least only retained for core X11 distribution. With the upcoming X.org 7= =2Ex=20 > >ports there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix merger along tha= t. > >Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify above dilemma. It would be= =20 > >also more similar to where linux distributions are going (at least Gento= o,=20 > >Debian and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr which, while= =20 > >not /usr/local is the location of where all packages install - depending= =20 > >on X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous discussions, it=20 > >would be more convenient to people with separate mounts for installed=20 > >packages as well. /usr/local is also the default value for --prefix=20 > >configure option for X.org packages. > >So it is general intention to go with /usr/local or rather ${LOCALBASE} = as=20 > >prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is horribly wrong, pleas= e=20 > >speak up. > > > >On behalf of x11 team, > >Dejan > > =20 > What impact (if any) would the doubling or tripling of the number of=20 > files in ./bin have on searching along PATH? Would we be shooting=20 > ourselves in the foot if we did this? Since /usr/X11R6/bin is already in the default path I don't see how it would make any difference. -- Brooks --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEtYAOXY6L6fI4GtQRArySAKC2L34orV4xECxOBaqJ0goRk0MK/gCfShet hUvxpyEyJ91yRCQrvEUYayY= =wBkm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 12 23:20:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374B316A4DE for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144C443D49 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:20:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so29534pye for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:20:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Uj+WMqMoZD3iiAbPl1Wda8LMSFIbHhuYp9YXnvecYAWK6wYz6GqL2rWlke7b5Jw8Pp8PVm+5e4ub0+0oMv2vy2mfVqBBu1LGC/6mLKjIYLIVfyXHcZ/BB99t0nun24xWIEQCu+HLdI2Fvjn9W13lXmMc2z3w/9/RQ/RZHV1VeUc= Received: by 10.35.88.18 with SMTP id q18mr61130pyl; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.87.9 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:20:06 +0000 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "Dejan Lesjak" In-Reply-To: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0409cbb28f915c5d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:20:08 -0000 On 7/12/06, Dejan Lesjak wrote: > > Hello, > > There were a couple of debates already concerning /usr/X11R6 as prefix for > X11 > ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by default install there. > Quite some people were, when creating a new port that depends on X11, > wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or LOCALBASE. More than once a > question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should be just dropped or at > least > only retained for core X11 distribution. With the upcoming X.org 7.x ports > there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix merger along that. > Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify above dilemma. It would be > also > more similar to where linux distributions are going (at least Gentoo, > Debian > and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr which, while > not /usr/local is the location of where all packages install - depending > on > X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous discussions, it would > be > more convenient to people with separate mounts for installed packages as > well. /usr/local is also the default value for --prefix configure option > for > X.org packages. > So it is general intention to go with /usr/local or rather ${LOCALBASE} as > prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is horribly wrong, please > speak up. > I agree we should move a lot of software out of X11BASE but there will need to be a lot of work (esp. for gnome). I'm curious of the time frame in which xorg 7 will be committed to the tree? I'm not speaking for the entire freebsd gnome team but if we did decide to take on this task it would probably take several months to fully test and get everything working well in LOCALBASE. I think the major hurdle for us isn't moving everything to LOCALBASE it's more of the upgrade path people will have to take, having to rebuild all gnome components and all the bugs that will follow.. Michael On behalf of x11 team, > Dejan > > > From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 12 23:31:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75C716A4DF for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sailorfred@yahoo.com) Received: from web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 300F043D4C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:31:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sailorfred@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 38790 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2006 23:31:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qQ1JB6qMcMNpqyXZFLhOjeoX40+0+r64ovljIrdOPkrPr1/OnoWhF0J/Nd+fd6MU+ndDiGLPt/jc8nMoJlbi5fuK2VLqkxdn4yVEuuzBv624s77Axr9Hj++LH9Y2HEv0YqkCWVFpoTyOOjq6qbgdxRC76bOO1yvlUY8j9VOh/g4= ; Message-ID: <20060712233143.38788.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.18.7.193] by web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:31:43 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Cox To: John Merryweather Cooper , Dejan Lesjak In-Reply-To: <44B578EE.202@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:31:45 -0000 What about duplicated file names? On my desktop: [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l /usr/{X11R6,local}/man/whatis -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 162506 Jul 8 04:15 /usr/X11R6/man/whatis -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 48606 Jul 8 04:15 /usr/local/man/whatis [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 May 7 14:20 /usr/X11R6/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 May 7 14:20 /usr/local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/XMLnamespaces -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/X11R6/share/mime/XMLnamespaces -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 56 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/local/share/mime/XMLnamespaces [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/X11R6/share/mime/aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2038 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/local/share/mime/aliases [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/globs -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 92 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/X11R6/share/mime/globs -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 12850 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/local/share/mime/globs [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/magic -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 12 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/X11R6/share/mime/magic -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11275 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/local/share/mime/magic [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/subclasses -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/X11R6/share/mime/subclasses -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3202 Mar 26 00:05 /usr/local/share/mime/subclasses --- John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > Dejan Lesjak wrote: > > Hello, > > > > There were a couple of debates already concerning > /usr/X11R6 as prefix for X11 > > ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by > default install there. > > Quite some people were, when creating a new port > that depends on X11, > > wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or > LOCALBASE. More than once a > > question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should > be just dropped or at least > > only retained for core X11 distribution. With the > upcoming X.org 7.x ports > > there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix > merger along that. > > Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify > above dilemma. It would be also > > more similar to where linux distributions are > going (at least Gentoo, Debian > > and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr > which, while > > not /usr/local is the location of where all > packages install - depending on > > X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous > discussions, it would be > > more convenient to people with separate mounts for > installed packages as > > well. /usr/local is also the default value for > --prefix configure option for > > X.org packages. > > So it is general intention to go with /usr/local > or rather ${LOCALBASE} as > > prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is > horribly wrong, please > > speak up. > > > > On behalf of x11 team, > > Dejan > > > What impact (if any) would the doubling or tripling > of the number of > files in ./bin have on searching along PATH? Would > we be shooting > ourselves in the foot if we did this? > > jmc > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 12 23:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525AF16A4E1 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41FB43D4C for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:38:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 39so35503pyu for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=adgGO6g2JEMSA6bOtggZFp0R1ufvKFeyJbawpKHSa1tkhjsrl2EkxYNKCzU36ol2szwO9Ww4WjwKZItpOkQP5DOCVBoyLH48bbiFPGZrlcq+9yRddL5UbS3idg7Q8cKyXDnD5dR4RrO8whcpNFDBwsph/Dja9I0QLhgo/ou7Vk0= Received: by 10.35.82.15 with SMTP id j15mr64664pyl; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.87.9 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:38:18 +0000 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "Fred Cox" In-Reply-To: <20060712233143.38788.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <44B578EE.202@yahoo.com> <20060712233143.38788.qmail@web31802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0289289ee9b01c5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:38:20 -0000 On 7/12/06, Fred Cox wrote: > > What about duplicated file names? > > On my desktop: > > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l /usr/{X11R6,local}/man/whatis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 162506 Jul 8 04:15 > /usr/X11R6/man/whatis > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 48606 Jul 8 04:15 > /usr/local/man/whatis > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 May 7 14:20 > /usr/X11R6/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 May 7 14:20 > /usr/local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/XMLnamespaces > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/XMLnamespaces > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 56 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/local/share/mime/XMLnamespaces > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/aliases > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/aliases > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2038 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/local/share/mime/aliases > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/globs > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 92 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/globs > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 12850 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/local/share/mime/globs > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/magic > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 12 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/magic > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11275 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/local/share/mime/magic > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/subclasses > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/subclasses > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3202 Mar 26 00:05 > /usr/local/share/mime/subclasses alot of this could be merged, ie: all the .cache files are dynamicly updated when ports that have mime info or have icons are installed or deinstall. --- John Merryweather Cooper > wrote: > > > Dejan Lesjak wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > There were a couple of debates already concerning > > /usr/X11R6 as prefix for X11 > > > ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by > > default install there. > > > Quite some people were, when creating a new port > > that depends on X11, > > > wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or > > LOCALBASE. More than once a > > > question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should > > be just dropped or at least > > > only retained for core X11 distribution. With the > > upcoming X.org 7.x ports > > > there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix > > merger along that. > > > Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify > > above dilemma. It would be also > > > more similar to where linux distributions are > > going (at least Gentoo, Debian > > > and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr > > which, while > > > not /usr/local is the location of where all > > packages install - depending on > > > X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous > > discussions, it would be > > > more convenient to people with separate mounts for > > installed packages as > > > well. /usr/local is also the default value for > > --prefix configure option for > > > X.org packages. > > > So it is general intention to go with /usr/local > > or rather ${LOCALBASE} as > > > prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is > > horribly wrong, please > > > speak up. > > > > > > On behalf of x11 team, > > > Dejan > > > > > What impact (if any) would the doubling or tripling > > of the number of > > files in ./bin have on searching along PATH? Would > > we be shooting > > ourselves in the foot if we did this? > > > > jmc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 12 23:49:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFB216A4E5 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:49:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sailorfred@yahoo.com) Received: from web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B20A143D45 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:48:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sailorfred@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62963 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2006 23:48:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JKmsemxKLSrF/gkucNMrjssCkER5I50C59a5mM5qRGLOhvfO5ciUSp8+HXxczta8CO1iZC328V24MV6WDtRb7kwKF0KXP7SPBFLS4JjHQpWj6+sJoRXpzFwG+Y7kf3hv8Y3OO88qi9mFVBF+R56rWDf7pMXsdL2OWNp1I+xt4e4= ; Message-ID: <20060712234839.62961.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.18.7.193] by web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:48:39 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Cox To: michael johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:49:18 -0000 Those man pages for whatis are pretty radically different in size. Maybe they are mergeable, but there's going to be a fair amount of work doing that for all possible conflicts. I don't have all the ports installed on my machine, so this is not a complete list. Fred --- michael johnson wrote: > On 7/12/06, Fred Cox wrote: > > > > What about duplicated file names? > > > > On my desktop: > > > > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > /usr/{X11R6,local}/man/whatis > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 162506 Jul 8 04:15 > > /usr/X11R6/man/whatis > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 48606 Jul 8 04:15 > > /usr/local/man/whatis > > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > > > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 May 7 14:20 > > /usr/X11R6/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13 May 7 14:20 > > /usr/local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache > > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/XMLnamespaces > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/XMLnamespaces > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 56 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/local/share/mime/XMLnamespaces > > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/aliases > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/aliases > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2038 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/local/share/mime/aliases > > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/globs > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 92 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/globs > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 12850 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/local/share/mime/globs > > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/magic > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 12 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/magic > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11275 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/local/share/mime/magic > > [fred@speedy ~]$ ls -l > > /usr/{X11R6,local}/share/mime/subclasses > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/X11R6/share/mime/subclasses > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3202 Mar 26 00:05 > > /usr/local/share/mime/subclasses > > > alot of this could be merged, ie: all the .cache > files > are dynamicly updated when ports that have mime > info or have icons are installed or deinstall. > > > --- John Merryweather Cooper > > > wrote: > > > > > Dejan Lesjak wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > There were a couple of debates already > concerning > > > /usr/X11R6 as prefix for X11 > > > > ports and a bunch of other ports that > currently by > > > default install there. > > > > Quite some people were, when creating a new > port > > > that depends on X11, > > > > wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or > > > LOCALBASE. More than once a > > > > question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 > should > > > be just dropped or at least > > > > only retained for core X11 distribution. With > the > > > upcoming X.org 7.x ports > > > > there is perhaps the opportunity to do the > prefix > > > merger along that. > > > > Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify > > > above dilemma. It would be also > > > > more similar to where linux distributions are > > > going (at least Gentoo, Debian > > > > and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of > /usr > > > which, while > > > > not /usr/local is the location of where all > > > packages install - depending on > > > > X11 or not). If I remember correctly from > previous > > > discussions, it would be > > > > more convenient to people with separate mounts > for > > > installed packages as > > > > well. /usr/local is also the default value for > > > --prefix configure option for > > > > X.org packages. > > > > So it is general intention to go with > /usr/local > > > or rather ${LOCALBASE} as > > > > prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that > this is > > > horribly wrong, please > > > > speak up. > > > > > > > > On behalf of x11 team, > > > > Dejan > > > > > > > What impact (if any) would the doubling or > tripling > > > of the number of > > > files in ./bin have on searching along PATH? > Would > > > we be shooting > > > ourselves in the foot if we did this? > > > > > > jmc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 12 23:54:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4910516A4DD for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6E8F43D49 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:54:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Jul 2006 23:54:09 -0000 Received: from p54A7D2AB.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.12]) [84.167.210.171] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 01:54:09 +0200 X-Authenticated: #5465401 Message-ID: <44B58B8B.2040306@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:53:47 +0200 From: "[LoN]Kamikaze" Organization: Lords of Nightmare User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: michael johnson References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:54:13 -0000 michael johnson wrote: > On 7/12/06, Dejan Lesjak wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> There were a couple of debates already concerning /usr/X11R6 as prefix >> for >> X11 >> ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by default install there. >> Quite some people were, when creating a new port that depends on X11, >> wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or LOCALBASE. More than once a >> question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should be just dropped or at >> least >> only retained for core X11 distribution. With the upcoming X.org 7.x >> ports >> there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix merger along that. >> Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify above dilemma. It would be >> also >> more similar to where linux distributions are going (at least Gentoo, >> Debian >> and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr which, while >> not /usr/local is the location of where all packages install - depending >> on >> X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous discussions, it would >> be >> more convenient to people with separate mounts for installed packages as >> well. /usr/local is also the default value for --prefix configure option >> for >> X.org packages. >> So it is general intention to go with /usr/local or rather >> ${LOCALBASE} as >> prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is horribly wrong, please >> speak up. >> > > I agree we should move a lot of software out of X11BASE but there > will need to be a lot of work (esp. for gnome). I'm curious of the > time frame in which xorg 7 will be committed to the tree? I'm not > speaking for the entire freebsd gnome team but if we did decide > to take on this task it would probably take several months to fully > test and get everything working well in LOCALBASE. I think the > major hurdle for us isn't moving everything to LOCALBASE it's > more of the upgrade path people will have to take, having to > rebuild all gnome components and all the bugs that will follow.. > > Michael > It should be possible to make a shell skript that seds through shell scripts, moves everything around and fixes /var/db/pkg without having to rebuild anything. I guess most things would just work that way. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 00:00:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B8216A4E0 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5580043D46 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:00:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c59so38032pyc for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VnkYDgZecwfif8wMSL+y3zh7rnEfbWXisJ5KYm7pvDoK90UJyomLBr0dVbwHTPOdLrt8u2m1UNz/G9/dXzdFZRHxn7th9A+nWlGgv8kY3XJJjBdHFUXd2P8tH0eGSCbzHi3QBzOILgOd5+DI268KqE4DsvBXUYhwTtRy/RUv3CE= Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr13353pyi; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.87.9 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:00:13 +0000 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "[LoN]Kamikaze" In-Reply-To: <44B58B8B.2040306@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B58B8B.2040306@gmx.de> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6cfddc26068154b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:00:15 -0000 On 7/12/06, [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: > > michael johnson wrote: > > On 7/12/06, Dejan Lesjak wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> There were a couple of debates already concerning /usr/X11R6 as prefix > >> for > >> X11 > >> ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by default install > there. > >> Quite some people were, when creating a new port that depends on X11, > >> wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or LOCALBASE. More than once a > >> question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should be just dropped or at > >> least > >> only retained for core X11 distribution. With the upcoming X.org 7.x > >> ports > >> there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix merger along that. > >> Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify above dilemma. It would > be > >> also > >> more similar to where linux distributions are going (at least Gentoo, > >> Debian > >> and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr which, while > >> not /usr/local is the location of where all packages install - > depending > >> on > >> X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous discussions, it > would > >> be > >> more convenient to people with separate mounts for installed packages > as > >> well. /usr/local is also the default value for --prefix configure > option > >> for > >> X.org packages. > >> So it is general intention to go with /usr/local or rather > >> ${LOCALBASE} as > >> prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is horribly wrong, > please > >> speak up. > >> > > > > I agree we should move a lot of software out of X11BASE but there > > will need to be a lot of work (esp. for gnome). I'm curious of the > > time frame in which xorg 7 will be committed to the tree? I'm not > > speaking for the entire freebsd gnome team but if we did decide > > to take on this task it would probably take several months to fully > > test and get everything working well in LOCALBASE. I think the > > major hurdle for us isn't moving everything to LOCALBASE it's > > more of the upgrade path people will have to take, having to > > rebuild all gnome components and all the bugs that will follow.. > > > > Michael > > > > It should be possible to make a shell skript that seds through shell > scripts, moves everything around and fixes /var/db/pkg without having to > rebuild anything. I guess most things would just work that way. > /var/db/pkg would be a problem, but the bigger problem for the gnome ports is gnome is tied in to X11BASE as it stands now and alot of things would break if part was in LOCALBASE and part was in X11BASE so it would have to be moved all at once. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 00:09:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522D616A4DA; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from mail.ijs.si (mailman.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3CB43D46; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:09:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from localhost (mailman.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1EC17B81C; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:09:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si Received: from mail.ijs.si ([193.2.4.66]) by localhost (mail.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QkufzE8Nvhtz; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:09:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from edina.ijs.si (edina.ijs.si [193.2.4.3]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBC217B8A6; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:09:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from radagast.ijs.si (radagast.ijs.si [193.2.4.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by edina.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id D183F50828; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:09:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.ijs.si (localhost.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) by radagast.ijs.si (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D09Lc8053855; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:09:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) From: Dejan Lesjak Organization: IJS To: "michael johnson" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:09:20 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607130209.21325.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:09:38 -0000 On Thursday 13 July 2006 01:20, michael johnson wrote: > I agree we should move a lot of software out of X11BASE but there > will need to be a lot of work (esp. for gnome). I'm curious of the > time frame in which xorg 7 will be committed to the tree? I'm not > speaking for the entire freebsd gnome team but if we did decide > to take on this task it would probably take several months to fully > test and get everything working well in LOCALBASE. I think the > major hurdle for us isn't moving everything to LOCALBASE it's > more of the upgrade path people will have to take, having to > rebuild all gnome components and all the bugs that will follow.. We certainly can't throw xorg 7 that installs in LOCALBASE in tree if that would break entire gnome :-) Hopefully we can come up with transition that would annoy users as well as maintainers the least. One option is to wait with xorg until most ports that now install under X11BASE are converted. Another one is perhaps to find out whether gnome for example would work installed under X11BASE with xorg itself installed under LOCALBASE. There's possibility we add xorg-7 to X_WINDOW_SYSTEM flavours (as non-default one), default X11BASE to LOCALBASE in that case. Would that help with converting and testing? Dejan From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 00:27:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D9B16A4E1 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:27:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58DC43D4C for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:27:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so40970pyf for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:27:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=n+rK0JRelQXWBr9ZfXy9St2MQRnyqNrve1in76P+hObdQAG4qpVW5kk+/XRVFirXpCqy79+4AOYmrX8cF+N7bYy7Y0Q8FbptPK1eBbXr17ZBBcYXd+dxLElBR7+ebi8eAfUH5u33ahE8tLIXEqUXcJ+dM49vS39zcblpEZna9Bc= Received: by 10.35.37.18 with SMTP id p18mr67695pyj; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.87.9 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:25:55 +0000 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "Dejan Lesjak" In-Reply-To: <200607130209.21325.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <200607130209.21325.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ad1e596f1c7a8d29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:27:36 -0000 On 7/13/06, Dejan Lesjak wrote: > > On Thursday 13 July 2006 01:20, michael johnson wrote: > > I agree we should move a lot of software out of X11BASE but there > > will need to be a lot of work (esp. for gnome). I'm curious of the > > time frame in which xorg 7 will be committed to the tree? I'm not > > speaking for the entire freebsd gnome team but if we did decide > > to take on this task it would probably take several months to fully > > test and get everything working well in LOCALBASE. I think the > > major hurdle for us isn't moving everything to LOCALBASE it's > > more of the upgrade path people will have to take, having to > > rebuild all gnome components and all the bugs that will follow.. > > We certainly can't throw xorg 7 that installs in LOCALBASE in tree if that > would break entire gnome :-) Hopefully we can come up with transition that > would annoy users as well as maintainers the least. One option is to wait > with xorg until most ports that now install under X11BASE are converted. > Another one is perhaps to find out whether gnome for example would work > installed under X11BASE with xorg itself installed under LOCALBASE. > There's > possibility we add xorg-7 to X_WINDOW_SYSTEM flavours (as non-default > one), > default X11BASE to LOCALBASE in that case. Would that help with converting > and testing? I might have taken your first email wrong, I was assuming you want to remove X11BASE all together? Moving xorg to LOCALBASE won't be a problem for gnome, I'm just saying the gnome ports might stick around in X11BASE for a while unless we (gnome team) get some motivation to move. We've talked about moving gnome to LOCALBASE in the past but I think we've not attempted this because it's quite a bit of work for not a whole lot of gain. Wanting to remove X11BASE might be the kick we need. Also gecko ports would probably stick around in X11BASE for a bit due to the fact that most (if not all) gecko plugins and ports that depend on a gecko are also heavly tied in to X11BASE. Michael From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 00:56:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABCC16A4E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:56:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (12-207-12-9.client.mchsi.com [12.207.12.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34E943D53; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:56:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D0u1jg057093; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:56:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k6D0u07T057092; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:56:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:56:00 -0500 From: Brooks Davis To: Fred Cox Message-ID: <20060713005600.GA57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20060712234839.62961.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060712234839.62961.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:56:06 -0000 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 04:48:39PM -0700, Fred Cox wrote: > Those man pages for whatis are pretty radically > different in size. Maybe they are mergeable, but > there's going to be a fair amount of work doing that > for all possible conflicts. They are generated files see makewhatis(1). There will probably be a few real conflicts, but it's unlikely to be a serious issue. -- Brooks --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEtZofXY6L6fI4GtQRApSBAKDHThJHsfLnJ4ieMz5OnW5WZ0PgoACbBvkr raylpih7iuEt7B6KkkZTEFw= =aymK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 00:59:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109A816A4E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:59:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (creme-brulee.marcuscom.com [24.172.16.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FB143D46; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:59:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from shumai.marcuscom.com (shumai.marcuscom.com [192.168.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D0xR8d073320; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:59:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Brooks Davis In-Reply-To: <20060713005600.GA57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20060712234839.62961.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060713005600.GA57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vXnUkPb6KdD2btcT7iMS" Organization: MarcusCom, Inc. Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:59:08 -0400 Message-Id: <1152752348.53082.4.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:59:14 -0000 --=-vXnUkPb6KdD2btcT7iMS Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:56 -0500, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 04:48:39PM -0700, Fred Cox wrote: > > Those man pages for whatis are pretty radically > > different in size. Maybe they are mergeable, but > > there's going to be a fair amount of work doing that > > for all possible conflicts. >=20 > They are generated files see makewhatis(1). There will probably be a > few real conflicts, but it's unlikely to be a serious issue. It may be more serious than you think. Currently, GNOME and KDE will conflict with each other if this move happens. We will have to either come up with a new pseudo-port to handle common files, or find some other way of consolidating things. That said, GNOME's move to LOCALBASE will not be too problematic. In fact, the number of required patches might drop off. I'd be willing to bet that if someone did X11BASE=3D${LOCALBASE} and installed GNOME on a clean machine right now, it would work. Joe --=20 PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc --=-vXnUkPb6KdD2btcT7iMS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEtZrcb2iPiv4Uz4cRAkiZAKCTjKIrWaQ126Tmtj3lzeaFyrxcDQCfbazr yvcwPt/GzkYx+THnJacuusQ= =riRK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vXnUkPb6KdD2btcT7iMS-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 01:10:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF52516A4DA; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (12-207-12-9.client.mchsi.com [12.207.12.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360D443D53; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D1A39g057226; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:10:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k6D1A1Je057225; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:10:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:10:01 -0500 From: Brooks Davis To: Joe Marcus Clarke Message-ID: <20060713011001.GB57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <20060712234839.62961.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060713005600.GA57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <1152752348.53082.4.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1152752348.53082.4.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:10:11 -0000 --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:59:08PM -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:56 -0500, Brooks Davis wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 04:48:39PM -0700, Fred Cox wrote: > > > Those man pages for whatis are pretty radically > > > different in size. Maybe they are mergeable, but > > > there's going to be a fair amount of work doing that > > > for all possible conflicts. > >=20 > > They are generated files see makewhatis(1). There will probably be a > > few real conflicts, but it's unlikely to be a serious issue. >=20 > It may be more serious than you think. Currently, GNOME and KDE will > conflict with each other if this move happens. We will have to either > come up with a new pseudo-port to handle common files, or find some > other way of consolidating things. That should be a pretty easy thing to check out. Just installing GNOME and KDE on the same machine and then running: "cat /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS | sort | uniq -d" would give a list of all potential duplicate files. Running pkg_which on those with both prefixes would give you all the conflicts after screening out generated files. It's certainly a real issue, but i double it's all that bad. It's not as though other projects haven't solved some version of this. -- Brooks --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEtZ1pXY6L6fI4GtQRAqrOAKDD3ExX1pzXHLPVOFShlHPRLpFLcwCgnMLa 3TIgD0rnaS9csg6j0+ujkRE= =fBUm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 01:14:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B58416A4DE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:14:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A43243D53 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:14:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 39so52917pyu for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:14:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mN+Q9f4jIf6Al0tSoGcaleQrzh67qBghYnpWgpfiNH475tuZcsFmsWOIybw/8FCL3yZ5jSskwKQbJBH+5lvxZkAflBWy+cKuJtiKPmxe8F5sdO02zrBHM7/f8/PSHkmpE4fpvTzoxHLU1M3EURljLR3HLKnYiIOeZcMHYPBI32E= Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr72607pyl; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.87.9 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:14:49 +0000 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: "Joe Marcus Clarke" In-Reply-To: <1152752348.53082.4.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060712234839.62961.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060713005600.GA57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <1152752348.53082.4.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e264cd1dc628eb7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:14:51 -0000 On 7/13/06, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:56 -0500, Brooks Davis wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 04:48:39PM -0700, Fred Cox wrote: > > > Those man pages for whatis are pretty radically > > > different in size. Maybe they are mergeable, but > > > there's going to be a fair amount of work doing that > > > for all possible conflicts. > > > > They are generated files see makewhatis(1). There will probably be a > > few real conflicts, but it's unlikely to be a serious issue. > > It may be more serious than you think. Currently, GNOME and KDE will > conflict with each other if this move happens. We will have to either > come up with a new pseudo-port to handle common files, or find some > other way of consolidating things. > > That said, GNOME's move to LOCALBASE will not be too problematic. In > fact, the number of required patches might drop off. I'd be willing to > bet that if someone did X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} and installed GNOME on a > clean machine right now, it would work. It does I tested this not long ago. Joe > > -- > PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (FreeBSD) > > iD8DBQBEtZrcb2iPiv4Uz4cRAkiZAKCTjKIrWaQ126Tmtj3lzeaFyrxcDQCfbazr > yvcwPt/GzkYx+THnJacuusQ= > =riRK > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 05:56:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86B716A4E1; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from graf.pompo.net (graf.pompo.net [81.56.186.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D56D43D46; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:56:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: by graf.pompo.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1ABC711432; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:56:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:56:25 +0200 From: Thierry Thomas To: Dejan Lesjak Message-ID: <20060713055625.GC6102@graf.pompo.net> Mail-Followup-To: Dejan Lesjak , ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE i386 Organization: Kabbale Eros X-Face: (hRbQnK~Pt7$ct`!fupO(`y_WL4^-Iwn4@ly-.,[4xC4xc; y=\ipKMNm<1J>lv@PP~7Z<.t KjAnXLs: X-PGP: 0xC71405A2 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:56:58 -0000 --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le Jeu 13 jul 06 =E0 0:24:03 +0200, Dejan Lesjak =E9crivait=A0: > So it is general intention to go with /usr/local or rather ${LOCALBASE} a= s=20 > prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is horribly wrong, please= =20 > speak up. Do you plan to port x.org-7 on FreeBSD-4.x? If not, ports would have to support X libs either under ${LOCALBASE} or under ${X11BASE}, or they will be broken on 4.x. --=20 Th. Thomas. --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEteCJc95pjMcUBaIRAj00AKC3iU+U1bKf+RNXAfocPeELlcqD7gCeOmeB YPegT+Fuge6tpOGel70UZlg= =fvfm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 09:49:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757BE16A4DD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vd@datamax.bg) Received: from jengal.datamax.bg (jengal.datamax.bg [82.103.104.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD1043D4C; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:49:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vd@datamax.bg) Received: from qlovarnika.bg.datamax (qlovarnika.bg.datamax [192.168.10.2]) by jengal.datamax.bg (Postfix) with SMTP id 64145B859; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:49:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 36772 invoked by uid 1002); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:49:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:49:06 +0300 From: Vasil Dimov To: Brooks Davis Message-ID: <20060713094906.GA36377@qlovarnika.bg.datamax> References: <20060712234839.62961.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060713005600.GA57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <1152752348.53082.4.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20060713011001.GB57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060713011001.GB57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, Joe Marcus Clarke Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vd@FreeBSD.org List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:49:08 -0000 --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:10:01PM -0500, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 08:59:08PM -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 19:56 -0500, Brooks Davis wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 04:48:39PM -0700, Fred Cox wrote: > > > > Those man pages for whatis are pretty radically > > > > different in size. Maybe they are mergeable, but > > > > there's going to be a fair amount of work doing that > > > > for all possible conflicts. > > >=20 > > > They are generated files see makewhatis(1). There will probably be a > > > few real conflicts, but it's unlikely to be a serious issue. > >=20 > > It may be more serious than you think. Currently, GNOME and KDE will > > conflict with each other if this move happens. We will have to either > > come up with a new pseudo-port to handle common files, or find some > > other way of consolidating things. >=20 > That should be a pretty easy thing to check out. Just installing GNOME > and KDE on the same machine and then running: >=20 > "cat /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS | sort | uniq -d" >=20 I have Gnome, KDE, IceWM and Xfce installed, here is what I got: % for f in `cat /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS | sort | uniq -d |grep -v '^[@+]'` = ; do grep "^$f\$" /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS; echo ; done /var/db/pkg/bash-3.1.17/+CONTENTS:bin/bash /var/db/pkg/linux_base-fc-4_6/+CONTENTS:bin/bash /var/db/pkg/linux_base-fc-4_6/+CONTENTS:bin/rpm /var/db/pkg/rpm-3.0.6_13/+CONTENTS:bin/rpm /var/db/pkg/fontconfig-2.3.2_5,1/+CONTENTS:etc/fonts/fonts.dtd /var/db/pkg/linux-fontconfig-2.2.3_5/+CONTENTS:etc/fonts/fonts.dtd /var/db/pkg/gnome-menus-2.14.0/+CONTENTS:etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu /var/db/pkg/kdelibs-3.5.3/+CONTENTS:etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu /var/db/pkg/freeglut-2.4.0_1/+CONTENTS:include/GL/glut.h /var/db/pkg/libglut-6.4.2/+CONTENTS:include/GL/glut.h /var/db/pkg/db42-4.2.52_4/+CONTENTS:lib/libdb-4.2.so /var/db/pkg/linux_base-fc-4_6/+CONTENTS:lib/libdb-4.2.so /var/db/pkg/freeglut-2.4.0_1/+CONTENTS:lib/libglut.a /var/db/pkg/libglut-6.4.2/+CONTENTS:lib/libglut.a /var/db/pkg/freeglut-2.4.0_1/+CONTENTS:lib/libglut.so /var/db/pkg/libglut-6.4.2/+CONTENTS:lib/libglut.so /var/db/pkg/linux_base-fc-4_6/+CONTENTS:lib/libpcre.so.0 /var/db/pkg/pcre-6.7/+CONTENTS:lib/libpcre.so.0 /var/db/pkg/kdeadmin-3.5.3/+CONTENTS:libdata/pkgconfig/system-tools-backend= s.pc /var/db/pkg/system-tools-backends-1.4.2/+CONTENTS:libdata/pkgconfig/system-= tools-backends.pc /var/db/pkg/open-motif-2.2.3_2/+CONTENTS:man/man3/Object.3.gz /var/db/pkg/tcl-8.4.13_1,1/+CONTENTS:man/man3/Object.3.gz /var/db/pkg/dpkg-1.10.28_1/+CONTENTS:sbin/install-info /var/db/pkg/linux_base-fc-4_6/+CONTENTS:sbin/install-info /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-default-= dlg.png /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-default= -dlg.png /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-error.png /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-error.p= ng /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-info.png /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-info.png /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-question= =2Epng /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-questio= n.png /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-warning.= png /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-warning= =2Epng /var/db/pkg/hicolor-icon-theme-0.5/+CONTENTS:share/icons/hicolor/index.theme /var/db/pkg/kdelibs-3.5.3/+CONTENTS:share/icons/hicolor/index.theme /var/db/pkg/libthai-0.1.5_1/+CONTENTS:share/nls/POSIX /var/db/pkg/pgtop-0.04/+CONTENTS:share/nls/POSIX /var/db/pkg/libthai-0.1.5_1/+CONTENTS:share/nls/en_US.US-ASCII /var/db/pkg/pgtop-0.04/+CONTENTS:share/nls/en_US.US-ASCII Cheerz! --=20 Vasil Dimov gro.DSBeerF@dv Testing can show the presence of bugs, but not their absence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEthcSFw6SP/bBpCARAh8nAJ9ynRcCVlgVA3WSPVdidV9uOzh0hACgiRJD KDTfCCuwtY2TDrzz+fFbZE0= =hSKk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 10:43:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBADB16A4DA for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:43:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3344943D49 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:43:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6DAh19I002855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:43:01 +1000 Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DAh0s2001393; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:43:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k6DAh0Qr001392; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:43:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:43:00 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: "[LoN]Kamikaze" Message-ID: <20060713104300.GA721@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B58B8B.2040306@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B58B8B.2040306@gmx.de> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:43:03 -0000 --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-Jul-13 01:53:47 +0200, [LoN]Kamikaze wrote: It should be >possible to make a shell skript that seds through shell scripts, >moves everything around and fixes /var/db/pkg without having to >rebuild anything. =2Ela files have absolute pathnames embedded in them. I think you can virtually guarantee that there will also be absolute pathnames in executables and .so's that need fixing. > I guess most things would just work that way. The problem isn't the "most things would just work", it's confirming that this is indeed true and detecting and handling the ones that don't just work. Despite the pain, a complete rebuild is probably the safest approach. If you're doing a major upgrade on X, this is probably a good idea in any case. --=20 Peter Jeremy --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEtiO0/opHv/APuIcRArEWAJ93mpYeDlEF2VKv4WOSF2nPif8/xQCdGNHe uVr5EbW9BEUJtRZUr5syQrk= =uMhm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 14:25:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64AC016A4DA; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from mail.ijs.si (mail.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF9943D45; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:25:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from localhost (mail4.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id B484A17B8C0; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:25:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si Received: from mail.ijs.si ([193.2.4.66]) by localhost (mail.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QzXPqZNEAKrR; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:25:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from edina.ijs.si (edina.ijs.si [193.2.4.3]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C0C17B86F; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:25:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from f9pc04.ijs.si (f9pc04.ijs.si [194.249.156.4]) by edina.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614D750839; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:25:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Dejan Lesjak To: "michael johnson" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:27:36 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <200607130209.21325.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607131627.36671.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:25:24 -0000 On Thursday 13 July 2006 02:25, michael johnson wrote: > On 7/13/06, Dejan Lesjak wrote: > > On Thursday 13 July 2006 01:20, michael johnson wrote: > > > I agree we should move a lot of software out of X11BASE but there > > > will need to be a lot of work (esp. for gnome). I'm curious of the > > > time frame in which xorg 7 will be committed to the tree? I'm not > > > speaking for the entire freebsd gnome team but if we did decide > > > to take on this task it would probably take several months to fully > > > test and get everything working well in LOCALBASE. I think the > > > major hurdle for us isn't moving everything to LOCALBASE it's > > > more of the upgrade path people will have to take, having to > > > rebuild all gnome components and all the bugs that will follow.. > > > > We certainly can't throw xorg 7 that installs in LOCALBASE in tree if > > that would break entire gnome :-) Hopefully we can come up with > > transition that would annoy users as well as maintainers the least. One > > option is to wait with xorg until most ports that now install under > > X11BASE are converted. Another one is perhaps to find out whether gnome > > for example would work installed under X11BASE with xorg itself installed > > under LOCALBASE. There's > > possibility we add xorg-7 to X_WINDOW_SYSTEM flavours (as non-default > > one), > > default X11BASE to LOCALBASE in that case. Would that help with > > converting and testing? > > I might have taken your first email wrong, I was assuming you want to > remove X11BASE all together? Well, yes that is the general intention but one of the reasons for mail is to see what are the obstacles of doing so and after finding that out, how do we transition to X11BASE-free ports (the other reason being to see whether those obstacles outweigh benefits of doing so). After we switch to modular xorg builds there will most probably never be and upgrade of all of xorg ports at one time, so this seems like the best time to switch PREFIX for xorg ports. If we need to wait with xorg-7 becoming the default until gnome is converted to LOCALBASE prefix, then we should wait (in the mean time we could even have xorg-7 as a non-default X_WINDOW_SYSTEM that installs under X11BASE but with some large warning somewhere that before switching to default it will be moved to LOCALBASE or something like that...). > Moving xorg to LOCALBASE won't be a problem for gnome, I'm just saying > the gnome ports might stick around in X11BASE for a while unless > we (gnome team) get some motivation to move. We've talked about > moving gnome to LOCALBASE in the past but I think we've not attempted > this because it's quite a bit of work for not a whole lot of gain. Wanting > to remove X11BASE might be the kick we need. The conflicts seemed most worrying so far; judging from vd's mail this doesn't seem so horrible though. You said in other mail that gnome installed with X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} just works, so perhaps there won't be so much pain after all. If we however find out that this is too much pain for too little gain we can still just drop the idea, but if we want to do it we might as well start planning it now. Could the change be perhaps done with next gnome release (when would that be?) when users will have to upgrade stuff in any case? Would it help to coordinate xorg upgrade with gnome upgrade? Dejan From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 14:28:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEAA16A4DD; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (jojo.ms-net.de [84.16.236.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CDE43D6E; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:28:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (p54A5D463.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.212.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by www.ebusiness-leidinger.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DEIqah018757; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:18:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Andro-Beta.Leidinger.net (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k6DESUps055557; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:28:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:28:29 +0200 Message-ID: <20060713162829.5a2jgg1jy8ccgw4k@netchild.homeip.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:28:29 +0200 From: Alexander Leidinger To: vd@freebsd.org References: <20060712234839.62961.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060713005600.GA57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <1152752348.53082.4.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20060713011001.GB57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <20060713094906.GA36377@qlovarnika.bg.datamax> In-Reply-To: <20060713094906.GA36377@qlovarnika.bg.datamax> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1) / FreeBSD-4.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:28:36 -0000 Quoting Vasil Dimov (from Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:49:06 +0300): > I have Gnome, KDE, IceWM and Xfce installed, here is what I got: > > % for f in `cat /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS | sort | uniq -d |grep -v =20 > '^[@+]'` ; do grep "^$f\$" /var/db/pkg/*/+CONTENTS; echo ; done You can get rid of the linux stuff here. > /var/db/pkg/gnome-menus-2.14.0/+CONTENTS:etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu > /var/db/pkg/kdelibs-3.5.3/+CONTENTS:etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu > > /var/db/pkg/freeglut-2.4.0_1/+CONTENTS:include/GL/glut.h > /var/db/pkg/libglut-6.4.2/+CONTENTS:include/GL/glut.h > /var/db/pkg/freeglut-2.4.0_1/+CONTENTS:lib/libglut.a > /var/db/pkg/libglut-6.4.2/+CONTENTS:lib/libglut.a > > /var/db/pkg/freeglut-2.4.0_1/+CONTENTS:lib/libglut.so > /var/db/pkg/libglut-6.4.2/+CONTENTS:lib/libglut.so > /var/db/pkg/kdeadmin-3.5.3/+CONTENTS:libdata/pkgconfig/system-tools-backen= ds.pc > /var/db/pkg/system-tools-backends-1.4.2/+CONTENTS:libdata/pkgconfig/system= -tools-backends.pc > > /var/db/pkg/open-motif-2.2.3_2/+CONTENTS:man/man3/Object.3.gz > /var/db/pkg/tcl-8.4.13_1,1/+CONTENTS:man/man3/Object.3.gz What depends upon the v1.4 gnome libs below? > /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-default= -dlg.png > /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-defaul= t-dlg.png > > /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-error.p= ng > /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-error.= png > > /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-info.pn= g > /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-info.p= ng > > /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-questio= n.png > /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-questi= on.png > > /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-warning= .png > /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-warnin= g.png > > /var/db/pkg/hicolor-icon-theme-0.5/+CONTENTS:share/icons/hicolor/index.the= me > /var/db/pkg/kdelibs-3.5.3/+CONTENTS:share/icons/hicolor/index.theme > > /var/db/pkg/libthai-0.1.5_1/+CONTENTS:share/nls/POSIX > /var/db/pkg/pgtop-0.04/+CONTENTS:share/nls/POSIX > > /var/db/pkg/libthai-0.1.5_1/+CONTENTS:share/nls/en_US.US-ASCII > /var/db/pkg/pgtop-0.04/+CONTENTS:share/nls/en_US.US-ASCII Bye, Alexander. --=20 Somewhere in Tenafly, New Jersey, a chiropractor is viewing "Leave it to Beaver"! http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137 From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 15:09:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29E516A4DA; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:09:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vd@datamax.bg) Received: from jengal.datamax.bg (jengal.datamax.bg [82.103.104.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D95F43D8E; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:09:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vd@datamax.bg) Received: from qlovarnika.bg.datamax (qlovarnika.bg.datamax [192.168.10.2]) by jengal.datamax.bg (Postfix) with SMTP id B07DBB859; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:09:02 +0300 (EEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 45843 invoked by uid 1002); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:09:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:09:02 +0300 From: Vasil Dimov To: Alexander Leidinger Message-ID: <20060713150902.GA38590@qlovarnika.bg.datamax> References: <20060712234839.62961.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060713005600.GA57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <1152752348.53082.4.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20060713011001.GB57064@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <20060713094906.GA36377@qlovarnika.bg.datamax> <20060713162829.5a2jgg1jy8ccgw4k@netchild.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060713162829.5a2jgg1jy8ccgw4k@netchild.homeip.net> Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vd@FreeBSD.org List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:09:23 -0000 --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 04:28:29PM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: [...] >=20 > What depends upon the v1.4 gnome libs below? >=20 > >/var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-defau= lt-dlg.png > >/var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-defa= ult-dlg.png > > > >/var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-error= =2Epng > >/var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-erro= r.png > > > >/var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-info.= png > >/var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-info= =2Epng > > > >/var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-quest= ion.png > >/var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-ques= tion.png > > > >/var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-warni= ng.png > >/var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1/+CONTENTS:share/gnome/pixmaps/gnome-warn= ing.png > > % pkg_info -R /var/db/pkg/gnome-libs-1.4.2_5 /var/db/pkg/libgnomeui-2.14.1_1 Information for gnome-libs-1.4.2_5: Required by: gnomecanvas-0.22.0_4 Information for libgnomeui-2.14.1_1: Required by: bug-buddy-2.14.0 dasher-4.0.2,1 deskbar-applet-2.14.2 dia-gnome-0.95,1 eel-2.14.1 ekiga-2.0.2 eog-2.14.2 epiphany-2.14.2.1 evince-0.5.3_1 evolution-2.6.2_1 evolution-data-server-1.6.2 evolution-exchange-2.6.2 evolution-webcal-2.6.0 fast-user-switch-applet-2.14.2 file-roller-2.14.3,1 gcalctool-5.7.32,2 gconf-editor-2.14.0_1,1 gdm-2.14.8 gedit-2.14.3 gimp-gnome-2.2.11,1 gnome-applets-2.14.2_1 gnome-control-center-2.14.2 gnome-desktop-2.14.2_1 gnome-games-2.14.2.1 gnome-keyring-manager-2.14.0 gnome-media-2.14.2 gnome-netstatus-2.12.0_2 gnome-panel-2.14.2_2 gnome-screensaver-2.14.2 gnome-session-2.14.2 gnome-spell-1.0.7_1 gnome-system-monitor-2.14.5 gnome-system-tools-2.14.0 gnome-terminal-2.14.2 gnome-themes-2.14.2 gnome-utils-2.14.0_4,1 gnome2-2.14.2_2 gnopernicus-1.0.5 gok-1.0.10,1 gpdf-2.10.0_5 gtkhtml3-3.10.2 gucharmap-gnome-1.6.0 icewm-gnome-1.2.26 libgail-gnome-1.1.3_1 nautilus-2.14.1 nautilus-cd-burner-2.14.2 py24-gnome-2.12.4_1 py24-gnome-desktop-2.14.0 sound-juicer-2.14.4 totem-gstreamer-1.4.0 vino-2.13.5 xfce-4.2.3.2 yelp-2.14.2 % Anyway any of these would depend on gnome-libs if I had it installed: % portsearch -R gnome-libs-1.4 -o path Path: /usr/ports/astro/spacechart Path: /usr/ports/audio/cantus Path: /usr/ports/audio/gdam =2E.. Path: /usr/ports/x11-wm/icepref Path: /usr/ports/x11-wm/wmDeskGuide Path: /usr/ports/x11-wm/wmg 131 ports % --=20 Vasil Dimov gro.DSBeerF@dv Testing can show the presence of bugs, but not their absence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFEtmIOFw6SP/bBpCARAvAIAKCDcLPkC+Rpn+uRu9AwUKxEr4g9XQCfZVcC UgTqAUiHMFJHVUeZaqXSKBQ= =cHcV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 13 23:59:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF01C16A4DE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:59:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F77F43D45 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:59:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12111 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2006 23:59:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zckk9ykNPjR1lVQZ0VWTvCDuA+nMVsM/RB1pcvXprKOldZd+OPtDdtGjn01/vLhop7SXh58nxDgbvbXEEGZiNlypaG/63OFD5MAkciHHT9Zn/l/eO5lhABa6FNXEusN7HEsVwVkATue1Q2ie8Q9j8G3ZXL4NXUKiuis9Rqe2jI0= ; Message-ID: <20060713235936.12109.qmail@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.118.72.106] by web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:59:36 CEST Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:59:36 +0200 (CEST) From: To: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:59:38 -0000 Hi; Just here mumbling... It would be interesting to set X11BASE=/usr/X11 when using XFree86 and X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} when using XOrg. Not only due to historical consistency (/usr/X11 is the path recommended in XFree86 manpages), but as a way to be able to use XFree86 and keep the system somewhat cleaner. cheers, Pedro. Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 04:53:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650C216A4DD; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail2out.barnet.com.au (mail2out.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FFE43D49; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:53:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail2out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 27) id E0A1470740A; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:53:14 +1000 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <44B7233A000054EDE2CA6C@BarNet> Received: from mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (mail2.barnet.com.au [202.83.176.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail2.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37ED7073FE; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:53:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (unknown [10.251.1.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail2-auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269ED7073F1; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:53:14 +1000 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5D5D7EE; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:53:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:53:13 +1000 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Dejan Lesjak Message-ID: <20060714045313.GB1021@k7.mavetju> References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 04:53:17 -0000 On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:24:03AM +0200, Dejan Lesjak wrote: > Quite some people were, when creating a new port that depends on X11, > wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or LOCALBASE. More than once a > question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should be just dropped or at least > only retained for core X11 distribution. With the upcoming X.org 7.x ports > there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix merger along that. One of the issues is, what will be the policy for ports which use imake? The rest of "my" ports are happily living in /usr/local now, but only games/sol isn't done because I don't kno whow to tackle the imake thing. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://weblog.barnet.com.au/edwin/ From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 06:59:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE0E16A4E0; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from sippysoft.com (gk.360sip.com [72.236.70.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC7A43D82; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:59:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.92] ([204.244.149.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by sippysoft.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E6xEve099972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:58:45 -0700 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Sippy Software, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dejan Lesjak References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> In-Reply-To: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:59:27 -0000 What's the gain? Transition will be a really big PITA for most existing users. Everybody who would be trying to install a KDE/GNOME or even a general X11 port after a switchover still having all X11 bits in /usr/X11R6 is likely to be screwed on build time, due to mismatching includes/libraries search paths. And I am not even telling about run-time problems with datafiles in KDE/GNOME. The only way to handle such a merge for ordinary Joe User would be to remove all X11 bits and pieces and compile/install everything from scratch. And despite what X11 maintainers may believe (due to the nature of their position they compile/install/remove/compile/install/remove/.../ad infinite all X11 bits and pieces every day), ordinary Joe User doesn't like such gross upgrades, since even with the best packaging system in the world virtually any such upgrade will bring new unanticipated problems to the system that otherwise has been working before upgrade just fine. Therefore, I doubt that such "pull the trigger" approach is really going to work in this case. Some more gradual course is in due: with X11R6 being banned as a target for a new ports, with new GNOME version moving to the LOCALBASE and so on. -Maxim Dejan Lesjak wrote: > Hello, > > There were a couple of debates already concerning /usr/X11R6 as prefix for X11 > ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by default install there. > Quite some people were, when creating a new port that depends on X11, > wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or LOCALBASE. More than once a > question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should be just dropped or at least > only retained for core X11 distribution. With the upcoming X.org 7.x ports > there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix merger along that. > Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify above dilemma. It would be also > more similar to where linux distributions are going (at least Gentoo, Debian > and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr which, while > not /usr/local is the location of where all packages install - depending on > X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous discussions, it would be > more convenient to people with separate mounts for installed packages as > well. /usr/local is also the default value for --prefix configure option for > X.org packages. > So it is general intention to go with /usr/local or rather ${LOCALBASE} as > prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is horribly wrong, please > speak up. > > On behalf of x11 team, > Dejan From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 07:06:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0C516A4DA; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (creme-brulee.marcuscom.com [24.172.16.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F5B43D46; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:06:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from shumai.marcuscom.com (shumai.marcuscom.com [192.168.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E77Eve053056; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:07:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Maxim Sobolev In-Reply-To: <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ldUkDj6nFB7pfMEUz2WU" Organization: MarcusCom, Inc. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:06:51 -0400 Message-Id: <1152860811.50956.32.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:06:56 -0000 --=-ldUkDj6nFB7pfMEUz2WU Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 23:58 -0700, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > What's the gain? Transition will be a really big PITA for most existing=20 > users. Everybody who would be trying to install a KDE/GNOME or even a=20 > general X11 port after a switchover still having all X11 bits in=20 > /usr/X11R6 is likely to be screwed on build time, due to mismatching=20 > includes/libraries search paths. And I am not even telling about=20 > run-time problems with datafiles in KDE/GNOME. >=20 > The only way to handle such a merge for ordinary Joe User would be to=20 > remove all X11 bits and pieces and compile/install everything from=20 > scratch. And despite what X11 maintainers may believe (due to the nature=20 > of their position they=20 > compile/install/remove/compile/install/remove/.../ad infinite all X11=20 > bits and pieces every day), ordinary Joe User doesn't like such gross=20 > upgrades, since even with the best packaging system in the world=20 > virtually any such upgrade will bring new unanticipated problems to the=20 > system that otherwise has been working before upgrade just fine. >=20 > Therefore, I doubt that such "pull the trigger" approach is really going=20 > to work in this case. Some more gradual course is in due: with X11R6=20 > being banned as a target for a new ports, with new GNOME version moving=20 > to the LOCALBASE and so on. We (the FreeBSD GNOME Team) are discussing such an approach for the upcoming GNOME 2.16 release. We will be transitioning to LOCALBASE following the 2.15.4 development release. Joe >=20 > -Maxim >=20 > Dejan Lesjak wrote: > > Hello, > >=20 > > There were a couple of debates already concerning /usr/X11R6 as prefix = for X11=20 > > ports and a bunch of other ports that currently by default install ther= e.=20 > > Quite some people were, when creating a new port that depends on X11,=20 > > wandering whether to put it in X11BASE or LOCALBASE. More than once a=20 > > question of whether the prefix /usr/X11R6 should be just dropped or at = least=20 > > only retained for core X11 distribution. With the upcoming X.org 7.x po= rts=20 > > there is perhaps the opportunity to do the prefix merger along that. > > Moving X11 prefix to LOCALBASE would simplify above dilemma. It would b= e also=20 > > more similar to where linux distributions are going (at least Gentoo, D= ebian=20 > > and Fedora deprecated /usr/X11R6 in favour of /usr which, while=20 > > not /usr/local is the location of where all packages install - dependin= g on=20 > > X11 or not). If I remember correctly from previous discussions, it woul= d be=20 > > more convenient to people with separate mounts for installed packages a= s=20 > > well. /usr/local is also the default value for --prefix configure optio= n for=20 > > X.org packages. > > So it is general intention to go with /usr/local or rather ${LOCALBASE}= as=20 > > prefix for X11 ports. If anyone feels that this is horribly wrong, plea= se=20 > > speak up. > >=20 > > On behalf of x11 team, > > Dejan >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 --=20 PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc --=-ldUkDj6nFB7pfMEUz2WU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEt0KLb2iPiv4Uz4cRAtDWAJ9qQXWlnC07uvieiSmAZtvpgD23/QCfZKTT UJwGaQPaxmbO1Hn1N9KJQpM= =aMhM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ldUkDj6nFB7pfMEUz2WU-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 10:58:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6044116A4DA; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from mail.ijs.si (mailman.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B88B43D58; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:58:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from localhost (mail4.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBD817B856; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:58:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si Received: from mail.ijs.si ([193.2.4.66]) by localhost (mail.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6+NPOI0Ajr7h; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from edina.ijs.si (edina.ijs.si [193.2.4.3]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC7917B8D2; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:58:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from f9pc04.ijs.si (f9pc04.ijs.si [194.249.156.4]) by edina.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id A131150898; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:58:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Dejan Lesjak To: Maxim Sobolev Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:00:43 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607141300.43547.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:58:21 -0000 On Friday 14 July 2006 08:58, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > What's the gain? I believe I mentioned some of gains in first mail. There is also the benefit of less divergence to upstreams as ./configure scripts of various ports use /usr/local as default prefix, but more importantly as modular X.org is becoming more widespread there is tendency of various packagers (for example Linux distributions already mentioned) to install all packages under same prefix. We expect that if we follow that trend, we would make maintainers and users' lives a bit easier in the long run. > Transition will be a really big PITA for most existing > users. Everybody who would be trying to install a KDE/GNOME or even a > general X11 port after a switchover still having all X11 bits in > /usr/X11R6 is likely to be screwed on build time, due to mismatching > includes/libraries search paths. And I am not even telling about > run-time problems with datafiles in KDE/GNOME. Having two prefixes we could also be just papering over some of the conflicts that could result in mysterious, hard to detect errors that could perhaps be detected sooner if we had only one prefix and thus easier to find if two ports conflict by installing file with same name. Message http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-July/033956.html could be example of such case. As for KDE/GNOME, it was thought that converting GNOME would present one of major hurdles at transition. With responses so far, perhaps things are not so horrible as I feared though. GNOME team is already planning the transition and we'll see how it fares. If it is indeed found out that the pain of transition overweights gains then it can still be decided to keep /usr/X11R6 prefix. The X11 team is rather hoping this will cause less pain in the long run for everybody - as far as X.org 7 ports themselves go, they right now already happily build and install under /usr/X11R6 prefix so going with it would save us some time, but we think we would loose the opportunity to handle PREFIX transition that way. > The only way to handle such a merge for ordinary Joe User would be to > remove all X11 bits and pieces and compile/install everything from > scratch. That would be exactly the reason I believe the upgrade to X.org 7.x would be the best time to do that with X.org ports - all X11 bits and pieces would have to be upgraded at that time anyway with a good chance that at least some of dependencies on X11 would have to be upgraded as well. If it is agreed upon that /usr/X11R6 -> /usr/local as default is the way to go, then it would be better to do it at that time, rather than doing it sometime later and cause pain for users twice. > And despite what X11 maintainers may believe (due to the nature > of their position they > compile/install/remove/compile/install/remove/.../ad infinite all X11 > bits and pieces every day), ordinary Joe User doesn't like such gross > upgrades, since even with the best packaging system in the world > virtually any such upgrade will bring new unanticipated problems to the > system that otherwise has been working before upgrade just fine. Due to the change in X.org 7.x, namely the switch to modular packages, there will already be a bit of pain for users to upgrade. If we generally agree upon /usr/local prefix then perhaps doing it at the same time might mean a bit more concentrated pain at one time, but at the same time make transition shorter than doing the two transitions at separate times. > Therefore, I doubt that such "pull the trigger" approach is really going > to work in this case. Some more gradual course is in due: with X11R6 > being banned as a target for a new ports, with new GNOME version moving > to the LOCALBASE and so on. I seem to have phrased my mail a bit weird. There's no intention of "pulling the trigger", say tomorrow and pull the rug from under users' and maintainers' feet. Of course we would like to do things gradually so to hurt users and maintainers the least as possible. The mail was meant to indicate the general direction of where we would like to go with X.org ports as far as PREFIX is concerned, to prompt people to voice their disagreements/agreements, and to find out how we can do it so as to cause as little pain as possible. It should certainly not be viewed as "we plan to import X.org 7 into ports next week and make /usr/local default prefix so deal with it". If it sounded like that I do apologize. Dejan From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 11:51:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C5616A4DD; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:51:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from mail.ijs.si (mail4.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1E943D49; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:51:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from localhost (mailman.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EC817B8C0; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:51:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si Received: from mail.ijs.si ([193.2.4.66]) by localhost (mail.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4eAKbpjYHTK; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:51:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from edina.ijs.si (edina.ijs.si [193.2.4.3]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8487E17B8C3; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:51:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from f9pc04.ijs.si (f9pc04.ijs.si [194.249.156.4]) by edina.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317D65081F; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:51:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Dejan Lesjak To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:53:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <20060713235936.12109.qmail@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060713235936.12109.qmail@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607141353.57338.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:51:31 -0000 On Friday 14 July 2006 01:59, pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi; > > Just here mumbling... > > It would be interesting to set > > X11BASE=/usr/X11 when using XFree86 and > X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} when using XOrg. > > Not only due to historical consistency (/usr/X11 is the path recommended in > XFree86 manpages), but as a way to be able to use XFree86 and keep the > system somewhat cleaner. Well, I was planing XFree86 would move to LOCALBASE as well - if it doesn't, ports depending on X11 would have to special case XFree86 libraries and includes and such, which would make system a bit less clean. Why do you think using /usr/X11 would make things cleaner? Dejan From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 14:09:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C0816A4E1 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:09:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1B8243D62 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:09:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97514 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2006 14:09:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=M/qwPnq0B3EWRCcmi4Y6gO98aGWqRX6kKFFCVsmXKQdDD23TueIch9VTctf+gM1b+DenUq+AFrOsN9aA4B6jRVDX50x9MuMl8MB3Y13udBON66lZYU1M4SyFndOX70zbE0EgeRyTbA6ZD5DjNpowL67//1xPpVmaqGxHbErYbxg= ; Message-ID: <20060714140927.97512.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.118.78.140] by web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:09:27 CEST Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:09:27 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Dejan Lesjak , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200607141353.57338.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:09:36 -0000 Hello; --- Dejan Lesjak ha scritto: > On Friday 14 July 2006 01:59, pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi; > > > > Just here mumbling... > > > > It would be interesting to set > > > > X11BASE=/usr/X11 when using XFree86 and > > X11BASE=${LOCALBASE} when using XOrg. > > > > Not only due to historical consistency (/usr/X11 is the path recommended in > > XFree86 manpages), but as a way to be able to use XFree86 and keep the > > system somewhat cleaner. > > Well, I was planing XFree86 would move to LOCALBASE as well - if it doesn't, > ports depending on X11 would have to special case XFree86 libraries and > includes and such, which would make system a bit less clean. Why do you think > Hmm.. there should be no need to have special cases for ports that properly respect X11BASE. Ports that don't respect X11BASE (those that have /usr/X11R6 hard coded) should be cleaned/fixed anyways. > using /usr/X11 would make things cleaner? > I haven't checked lately but XFree86 and XOrg are currently in conflict aren't they? One has to deinstall and rebuild all the packages built with XOrg and start a fresh build to use XFree86. Having XFree86 on it's own prefix would avoid the problem of having packages built with the wrong version of X and it also make an eventual clean up easier. I think the user perceived default wouldn't change, with most people using XOrg in LOCALBASE, and some people using XFree86 in X11BASE. Of course if eventually X11BASE disappears is another matter, but at least for backwards compatibility (4.x?) it's good to have it for a while. just my 0.02$ Pedro. Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 17:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A5616A4DD; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mezz7@cox.net) Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924FC43D45; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:54:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mezz7@cox.net) Received: from mezz.mezzweb.com ([24.255.149.218]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060714175455.WLHA23821.centrmmtao01.cox.net@mezz.mezzweb.com>; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:54:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:55:03 -0500 To: pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com From: "Jeremy Messenger" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060714140927.97512.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060714140927.97512.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:54:57 -0000 On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:09:27 -0500, wrote:= > Hello; > > --- Dejan Lesjak ha scritto: > >> On Friday 14 July 2006 01:59, pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com wrote: >> > Hi; >> > >> > Just here mumbling... >> > >> > It would be interesting to set >> > >> > X11BASE=3D/usr/X11 when using XFree86 and >> > X11BASE=3D${LOCALBASE} when using XOrg. >> > >> > Not only due to historical consistency (/usr/X11 is the path = >> recommended in >> > XFree86 manpages), but as a way to be able to use XFree86 and keep = the >> > system somewhat cleaner. >> >> Well, I was planing XFree86 would move to LOCALBASE as well - if it = >> doesn't, >> ports depending on X11 would have to special case XFree86 libraries a= nd >> includes and such, which would make system a bit less clean. Why do y= ou = >> think >> > > Hmm.. there should be no need to have special cases for ports that = > properly > respect X11BASE. Ports that don't respect X11BASE (those that have = > /usr/X11R6 > hard coded) should be cleaned/fixed anyways. > > >> using /usr/X11 would make things cleaner? >> > > I haven't checked lately but XFree86 and XOrg are currently in conflic= t = > aren't > they? One has to deinstall and rebuild all the packages built with XOr= g = > and > start a fresh build to use XFree86. Having XFree86 on it's own prefix = = > would > avoid the problem of having packages built with the wrong version of X= = > and it > also make an eventual clean up easier. Nobody should install both xorg and xfree86 at the same time. It's prett= y = pointless and it would cause more messy when you try to build other port= s = that depend on either of it. Move everything in LOCALBASE, nothing more = = and nothing less, is much cleaner. Cheers, Mezz > I think the user perceived default wouldn't change, with most people = > using XOrg > in LOCALBASE, and some people using XFree86 in X11BASE. Of course if = > eventually > X11BASE disappears is another matter, but at least for backwards = > compatibility > (4.x?) it's good to have it for a while. > > just my 0.02$ > > Pedro. > > Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! > http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com -- = mezz7@cox.net - mezz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD GNOME Team - FreeBSD Multimedia Hat (ports, not src) http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org http://wiki.freebsd.org/multimedia - multimedia@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 18:41:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6D216A4E0 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75C2543D49 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:41:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78927 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2006 18:41:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o+S7CjBKxiKxHObkDq3SeNH3joYDYmDbo1+ZjQ/PRQmCLIdXC5YIiIXbqef+hsFbGoxfkLtY/ybtV3xQKBWjY3v1ImRW+2AiExNiNfxqrrEb4q27bqbeS/bqdnCb9UU84ZjJC7iNI2AJPP0PAAnfSiQkuc0u+ATpWpIe9T9MsLk= ; Message-ID: <20060714184154.78925.qmail@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.79.216.210] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:41:54 CEST Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:41:54 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Jeremy Messenger In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:41:56 -0000 --- Jeremy Messenger ha scritto: > > Nobody should install both xorg and xfree86 at the same time. It's pretty > pointless and it would cause more messy when you try to build other ports > that depend on either of it. Move everything in LOCALBASE, nothing more > and nothing less, is much cleaner. > Consider the following scenario: Happy owner of an (lets say) ATI card wants to use FreeBSD but he REALLY needs OpenGL. He decides to give XFree86 a try since he has heard on XOrg the accelerated OpenGL doesn't work very well yet. Happy owner installs some non-X packages and then installs XFree86. He then goes throught the work of setting up his build for building everything with XFree86. When a "working" XOrg release comes he'll have to massively deinstall packages including XFree86 (and his configuration files) just to check if XOrg now works. Having it's own prefix, he still has to remove packages, but at least now he knows most of the conflicting packages will be in /usr/X11, and if there is "garbage" left he can still do rm -rf /usr/X11 without fear of removing non-X stuff. If POLA is important here, I guess leaving X11BASE as it is now (/usr/X11R6) for XFree86 is the way to go. I'm not saying we should be able to run different Xservers in the same box (although that is not a bad idea altogether), but that we could, and should, alleviate the issues of people wanting to run XFree86, especially since it comes at no cost. Pedro Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 19:00:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9BC16A4E0 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590FD43D5D for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:00:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from buhnux@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m51so766813pye for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:00:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=oAfydw7dysrgKJGlu5s8CB8c2LhinRa9G6Df3GaItcW0VsuJK7CuwdNCligqhdjxoodNIKbzrPWLD9wKWTxKtH8QV6Z+HwFiOEvIk+B6rPYoVzBRLHrgUyxiyrS5pNAxBbtvDeNy+8T/4XhCyu08UQ2Sd06wtpxCL1hWpkVkfbU= Received: by 10.35.57.5 with SMTP id j5mr2356264pyk; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.87.5 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:00:53 +0000 From: "michael johnson" Sender: buhnux@gmail.com To: pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <20060714184154.78925.qmail@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060714184154.78925.qmail@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e380aa638ecff77d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Jeremy Messenger , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:00:58 -0000 On 7/14/06, pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com wrote: > > > --- Jeremy Messenger ha scritto: > > > > > > Nobody should install both xorg and xfree86 at the same time. It's > pretty > > pointless and it would cause more messy when you try to build other > ports > > that depend on either of it. Move everything in LOCALBASE, nothing more > > and nothing less, is much cleaner. > > > > Consider the following scenario: > > Happy owner of an (lets say) ATI card wants to use FreeBSD but he REALLY > needs > OpenGL. He decides to give XFree86 a try since he has heard on XOrg the > accelerated OpenGL doesn't work very well yet. > > Happy owner installs some non-X packages and then installs XFree86. He > then > goes throught the work of setting up his build for building everything > with > XFree86. When a "working" XOrg release comes he'll have to massively > deinstall > packages including XFree86 (and his configuration files) just to check if > XOrg > now works. > > Having it's own prefix, he still has to remove packages, but at least now > he > knows most of the conflicting packages will be in /usr/X11, and if there > is > "garbage" left he can still do rm -rf /usr/X11 without fear of removing > non-X > stuff. > > If POLA is important here, I guess leaving X11BASE as it is now > (/usr/X11R6) > for XFree86 is the way to go. I'm not saying we should be able to run > different > Xservers in the same box (although that is not a bad idea altogether), but > that > we could, and should, alleviate the issues of people wanting to run > XFree86, > especially since it comes at no cost. for the few people this would apply to they could always add something to make.conf to install Xfree86 in /usr/X11R6 or xorg or what ever and have both installed. Pedro > > Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! > http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 19:17:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A952516A4DD for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:17:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE46343D49 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:17:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5581 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2006 19:17:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k6XBk4Gx9fOXe1j0EAspR2NOgQjWxY2WfaNpEwIzEt3zX3W2nZMudCcAKBq57mM9CNvvoMbshRbWIbN16QEoDkl25TQc/ZMjecSnKSrFhnaG+FVHrGjcXxv9mtW8ST+Lu7DMDk7yqKOafoi7Y1qynTJdpfEWD802UTb/4x2pW7k= ; Message-ID: <20060714191756.5579.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.79.216.210] by web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:17:56 CEST Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:17:56 +0200 (CEST) From: To: michael johnson In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Jeremy Messenger , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:17:57 -0000 --- michael johnson ha scritto: ... > > > for the few people this would apply to they could always add something to > make.conf to install Xfree86 in /usr/X11R6 or xorg or what ever and have > both installed. > Of course X11BASE can still be more documented in the section where setting XFree86 is explained, but life is already pretty hard for people wanting to use XFree86 (no packages for KDE, GNOME, etc...), why make it harder? cheers, Pedro. Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 19:33:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45B216A4E0 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD08743D49 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:33:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 18618 invoked by uid 399); 14 Jul 2006 19:33:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.7?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 19:33:24 -0000 Message-ID: <44B7F182.8080009@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:33:22 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dejan Lesjak References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> <200607141300.43547.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> In-Reply-To: <200607141300.43547.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Maxim Sobolev , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:33:26 -0000 Dejan Lesjak wrote: > On Friday 14 July 2006 08:58, Maxim Sobolev wrote: >> What's the gain? > > I believe I mentioned some of gains in first mail. There is also the benefit > of less divergence to upstreams as ./configure scripts of various ports > use /usr/local as default prefix, but more importantly as modular X.org is > becoming more widespread there is tendency of various packagers (for example > Linux distributions already mentioned) to install all packages under same > prefix. We expect that if we follow that trend, we would make maintainers and > users' lives a bit easier in the long run. Note, I am still making up my mind about whether what you're proposing is a good idea or not, so I'm not intending this as a criticism. However, the argument you propose above as a benefit for the move is completely specious. Our ports are supposed to be prefix-clean no matter what the defaults in the distributed software are, and no matter what prefix the user chooses. Thus (other than ports which are broken now which need fixing anyway), the only thing this move will do is ADD work for maintainers (at least in the short run), it will not make anyone's life easier in this area. I would also like to reinforce Maxim's point here, since I think it's getting lost in the shuffle. The burden to the users is NOT just reinstalling, which with modern tools like portmaster or portupgrade should be pretty painless, if not time consuming. There is also the burden to our users of editing config files, firefox app preferences, etc. etc. Some of these can be handled automatically by the ports, many of them cannot. Frankly, I'm still waiting to hear some really good reasons to make this change, but my mind is still open. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 19:45:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E23416A4DA; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:45:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A4643D45; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:45:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E3036413E; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:45:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:45:10 -0500 To: pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com Message-ID: <20060714194510.GA26723@soaustin.net> References: <20060714191756.5579.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060714191756.5579.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Jeremy Messenger , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:45:11 -0000 On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 09:17:56PM +0200, pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com wrote: > but life is already pretty hard for people wanting to use > XFree86 (no packages for KDE, GNOME, etc...) We simply don't have the horsepower on the build cluster, or disk space on the mirrors, to support this. It takes 5 days to build i386 sources as it is, and nearly a month to build the others. mcl From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 19:55:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDFF16A4DD; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F17543D45; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:55:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net ([12.207.12.9]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with ESMTP id <20060714195549m92002td0je>; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:55:49 +0000 Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EJtkSS078288; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:55:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k6EJtjKT078287; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:55:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:55:45 -0500 From: Brooks Davis To: Doug Barton Message-ID: <20060714195545.GA78103@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> <200607141300.43547.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B7F182.8080009@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44B7F182.8080009@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Maxim Sobolev Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:55:51 -0000 --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 12:33:22PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > Dejan Lesjak wrote: > > On Friday 14 July 2006 08:58, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > >> What's the gain?=20 > >=20 > > I believe I mentioned some of gains in first mail. There is also the be= nefit=20 > > of less divergence to upstreams as ./configure scripts of various ports= =20 > > use /usr/local as default prefix, but more importantly as modular X.org= is=20 > > becoming more widespread there is tendency of various packagers (for ex= ample=20 > > Linux distributions already mentioned) to install all packages under sa= me=20 > > prefix. We expect that if we follow that trend, we would make maintaine= rs and=20 > > users' lives a bit easier in the long run. >=20 > Note, I am still making up my mind about whether what you're proposing is= a > good idea or not, so I'm not intending this as a criticism. However, the > argument you propose above as a benefit for the move is completely specio= us. > Our ports are supposed to be prefix-clean no matter what the defaults in = the > distributed software are, and no matter what prefix the user chooses. Thus > (other than ports which are broken now which need fixing anyway), the only > thing this move will do is ADD work for maintainers (at least in the short > run), it will not make anyone's life easier in this area. >=20 > I would also like to reinforce Maxim's point here, since I think it's > getting lost in the shuffle. The burden to the users is NOT just > reinstalling, which with modern tools like portmaster or portupgrade shou= ld > be pretty painless, if not time consuming. There is also the burden to our > users of editing config files, firefox app preferences, etc. etc. Some of > these can be handled automatically by the ports, many of them cannot. Assuming we deal with all the conflicting ports in the first round I don't fully buy this argument. If most people can simply upgrade the ports in question then "rm -rf /usr/X11RC && ln -s /usr/local /usr/X11R6" will take care of config files. That's admittedly a large assumption, but I don't think it's all that unreasonable. I think the argument for this change is that the use of X11BASE is pretty much random so it's no longer serving any useful purpose and the lack of consistency is a minor negative since you never know where an X related port will end up without reading the Makefile. -- Brooks --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEt/bAXY6L6fI4GtQRAsTiAJ4wNOEAnQdna0Ja3ua2AS4FHZ/XtQCeOILI GuRqL2IoSNSVWW2FK/S8WUc= =wnwh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 20:02:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEBD16A4DD; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from mail.ijs.si (mail.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F5743D7C; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:02:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) Received: from localhost (mailman.ijs.si [193.2.4.66]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C53217B840; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:02:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si Received: from mail.ijs.si ([193.2.4.66]) by localhost (mail.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rnw-y6AlOs1o; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from edina.ijs.si (edina.ijs.si [193.2.4.3]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63EE17B912; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from radagast.ijs.si (radagast.ijs.si [193.2.4.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by edina.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3C650828; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost.ijs.si (localhost.ijs.si [127.0.0.1]) by radagast.ijs.si (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EK20wR062009; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:02:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dejan.lesjak@ijs.si) From: Dejan Lesjak Organization: IJS To: Doug Barton Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:01:58 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <200607141300.43547.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B7F182.8080009@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <44B7F182.8080009@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607142201.59511.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Maxim Sobolev , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:02:39 -0000 On Friday 14 July 2006 21:33, Doug Barton wrote: > Dejan Lesjak wrote: > > On Friday 14 July 2006 08:58, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > >> What's the gain? > > > > I believe I mentioned some of gains in first mail. There is also the > > benefit of less divergence to upstreams as ./configure scripts of various > > ports use /usr/local as default prefix, but more importantly as modular > > X.org is becoming more widespread there is tendency of various packagers > > (for example Linux distributions already mentioned) to install all > > packages under same prefix. We expect that if we follow that trend, we > > would make maintainers and users' lives a bit easier in the long run. > > Note, I am still making up my mind about whether what you're proposing is a > good idea or not, so I'm not intending this as a criticism. However, the > argument you propose above as a benefit for the move is completely > specious. Our ports are supposed to be prefix-clean no matter what the > defaults in the distributed software are, and no matter what prefix the > user chooses. Thus (other than ports which are broken now which need fixing > anyway), the only thing this move will do is ADD work for maintainers (at > least in the short run), it will not make anyone's life easier in this > area. Actually, I didn't mean the prefix that some port installs into would be the truble, rather where given port looks for includes, libraries and other files from ports that it depends upon. Dejan From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 20:06:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4172416A4E0 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7049F43D69 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:06:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 15777 invoked by uid 399); 14 Jul 2006 20:06:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.7?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 20:06:32 -0000 Message-ID: <44B7F946.8060408@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:06:30 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dejan Lesjak References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <200607141300.43547.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B7F182.8080009@FreeBSD.org> <200607142201.59511.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> In-Reply-To: <200607142201.59511.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:06:34 -0000 Dejan Lesjak wrote: > Actually, I didn't mean the prefix that some port installs into would be the > truble, rather where given port looks for includes, libraries and other files > from ports that it depends upon. But that's all part of the same issue. If the port is prefix-clean, than this won't matter. If it's not, it needs to be fixed, regardless of what the default values of *BASE are. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 20:13:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3671616A4E0 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CFEA43D4C for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:13:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 21761 invoked by uid 399); 14 Jul 2006 20:13:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.7?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 20:13:06 -0000 Message-ID: <44B7FAD0.6040602@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:13:04 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooks Davis References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> <200607141300.43547.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B7F182.8080009@FreeBSD.org> <20060714195545.GA78103@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> In-Reply-To: <20060714195545.GA78103@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Maxim Sobolev Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:13:08 -0000 Brooks Davis wrote: > Assuming we deal with all the conflicting ports in the first round > I don't fully buy this argument. If most people can simply upgrade > the ports in question then "rm -rf /usr/X11RC && ln -s /usr/local > /usr/X11R6" will take care of config files. That's admittedly a large > assumption, but I don't think it's all that unreasonable. That might add confusion for ports that are still have hidden dependencies on /usr/X11R6, and also won't work at all if the decision is made to keep the xorg/XFree bits in that directory. > I think the argument for this change is that the use of X11BASE is > pretty much random so it's no longer serving any useful purpose and the > lack of consistency is a minor negative since you never know where an X > related port will end up without reading the Makefile. In my mind that's a good argument for making and enforcing consistent policies, not for changing the defaults. But reasonable minds can differ on this issue. Like I said, my mind is not made up yet one way or another, but I have yet to see a very good reason for making the change. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 20:14:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B4E16A4E0 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D04E43D46 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:14:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3820 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2006 20:14:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NMNMVkhYyR+o2JSDcQRUE5yHXC+1LPDpw+c/b12elwxIPkDDmo0lnT2wi/uOXwRmawbJV25eVcjEMRAKUABB6CfKPyu5hagYqz29C2JXcrzIX9kpqru6ZEydDm9RlkC7/9UGmeTgqcZ9ck5YNT1Q66X+SYf4o4KiRD/0RBN35jM= ; Message-ID: <20060714201446.3818.qmail@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.79.216.210] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:14:46 CEST Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:14:46 +0200 (CEST) From: To: Mark Linimon In-Reply-To: <20060714194510.GA26723@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:14:48 -0000 --- Mark Linimon ha scritto: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 09:17:56PM +0200, pfgshield-freebsd@yahoo.com wrote: > > but life is already pretty hard for people wanting to use > > XFree86 (no packages for KDE, GNOME, etc...) > > We simply don't have the horsepower on the build cluster, or disk space on > the mirrors, to support this. It takes 5 days to build i386 sources as it > is, and nearly a month to build the others. > I know.. and I was not suggesting to fix that :(. I'm not really endorsing the BASE merger either, I just think that if it's going to be done it would be nice to have XFree86 in it's own prefix. At least for 4.x keeping two prefixes seems to be better: I wonder if binary packages will still work properly or not when changing X11BASE and I guess /usr/X11R6 or a symlink will have to be kept in the path for several releases anyway. Pedro. Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 14 20:46:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB05716A4DA; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:46:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eric@anholt.net) Received: from camus.anholt.net (69-30-77-85.dq1sn.easystreet.com [69.30.77.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449C043D45; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:46:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eric@anholt.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by camus.anholt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E85638102A; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Anholt To: Maxim Sobolev In-Reply-To: <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-GBFoYurcSW2hVtyVZM2c" Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:01:15 -0700 Message-Id: <1152907275.4205.8.camel@vonnegut> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:46:43 -0000 --=-GBFoYurcSW2hVtyVZM2c Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 23:58 -0700, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > What's the gain? Transition will be a really big PITA for most existing=20 > users. Everybody who would be trying to install a KDE/GNOME or even a=20 > general X11 port after a switchover still having all X11 bits in=20 > /usr/X11R6 is likely to be screwed on build time, due to mismatching=20 > includes/libraries search paths. And I am not even telling about=20 > run-time problems with datafiles in KDE/GNOME. >=20 > The only way to handle such a merge for ordinary Joe User would be to=20 > remove all X11 bits and pieces and compile/install everything from=20 > scratch. And despite what X11 maintainers may believe (due to the nature=20 > of their position they=20 > compile/install/remove/compile/install/remove/.../ad infinite all X11=20 > bits and pieces every day), ordinary Joe User doesn't like such gross=20 > upgrades, since even with the best packaging system in the world=20 > virtually any such upgrade will bring new unanticipated problems to the=20 > system that otherwise has been working before upgrade just fine. >=20 > Therefore, I doubt that such "pull the trigger" approach is really going=20 > to work in this case. Some more gradual course is in due: with X11R6=20 > being banned as a target for a new ports, with new GNOME version moving=20 > to the LOCALBASE and so on. Somehow other distributions have managed to do the transition in a rather painless way. I didn't even know that debian had made the switch, but I dist-upgraded one day and a bit later noticed "oh, hey, /usr/X11R6 is now a couple of symlinks". I personally don't see us making this switch without leaving compat symlinks in for some amount of time either. I think that would deal with the "but all my scripts/preferences/etc.!" complaints, while still giving us the wins of not having to maintain the X11BASE absurdity in ports and people not having to look in both prefixes to find their programs when they're setting up firefox prefs, along with all the other things that we've brought up before. I think we should be able come up with something to do the transition without having to recompile all X11BASE ports. Sure seems to me like that ought to be doable. --=20 Eric Anholt anholt@FreeBSD.org eric@anholt.net eric.anholt@intel.com --=-GBFoYurcSW2hVtyVZM2c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEt/gLHUdvYGzw6vcRAr+TAJ9ETg12vNX+2+mB6WFWFry3EcVDLgCfdOIi FH6DxRqblribYh+Gb/mLvLM= =0ku7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-GBFoYurcSW2hVtyVZM2c-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 15 00:28:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966EA16A4E5; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from sippysoft.com (gk.360sip.com [72.236.70.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2591643D45; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:28:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.92] (S0106000d3a2b2987.vc.shawcable.net [24.86.96.131] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by sippysoft.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6F0RxK3014752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:28:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <44B8366F.2030308@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:27:27 -0700 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Sippy Software, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dejan Lesjak References: <200607130024.18047.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> <44B740A5.6050709@FreeBSD.org> <200607141300.43547.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> In-Reply-To: <200607141300.43547.dejan.lesjak@ijs.si> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:28:04 -0000 Dejan Lesjak wrote: >> Therefore, I doubt that such "pull the trigger" approach is really going >> to work in this case. Some more gradual course is in due: with X11R6 >> being banned as a target for a new ports, with new GNOME version moving >> to the LOCALBASE and so on. > > I seem to have phrased my mail a bit weird. There's no intention of "pulling > the trigger", say tomorrow and pull the rug from under users' and > maintainers' feet. Of course we would like to do things gradually so to hurt > users and maintainers the least as possible. The mail was meant to indicate > the general direction of where we would like to go with X.org ports as far as > PREFIX is concerned, to prompt people to voice their > disagreements/agreements, and to find out how we can do it so as to cause as > little pain as possible. It should certainly not be viewed as "we plan to > import X.org 7 into ports next week and make /usr/local default prefix so > deal with it". If it sounded like that I do apologize. Yes, probably "Merging X11BASE to LOCALBASE" is not very good subject after all, seemingly what you are talking about is merely moving x.org 7.x bits and pieces from X11BASE into LOCALBASE, which should be fine. :) You should have mentioned that merging those two is a long term goal and it's not going to happen overnight, since that's what my first impression from the thread was. -Maxim