From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 26 08:29:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCD116A419 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sixdegrees@kgrg1.com) Received: from kgrg1.com (www.kgrg1.com [209.147.114.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4300313C458 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sixdegrees@kgrg1.com) Received: from kgrg1.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kgrg1.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lBQ6i3NO010057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:44:03 -0800 Received: (from sixdegrees@localhost) by kgrg1.com (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id lBQ6i384010056; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:44:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:44:03 -0800 Message-Id: <200712260644.lBQ6i384010056@kgrg1.com> To: advocacy@freebsd.org From: "postcard.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: You have received a postcard ! 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Do they work on FreeBSD? None of them work, or at the very best work so bad they are of very limited usefulness. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 27 11:06:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F72716A468 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE81113C45A for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:06:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp1-46.pat.forthnet.gr [213.16.208.46]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lBRB5TRJ021615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:05:59 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBRB5MQI001638; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:05:55 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBOMjSXC092227; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:45:28 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:45:27 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Grant Message-ID: <20071224224527.GA13123@kobe.laptop> References: <49bf44f10712122100y45f12f77q4ae47f311905be25@mail.gmail.com> <200712131947.lBDJlMeZ008204@satan.anjos.strangled.net> <49bf44f10712131235v2d73a412k81ca9714911bfccd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49bf44f10712131235v2d73a412k81ca9714911bfccd@mail.gmail.com> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.099, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.30, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Current Gentoo user X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:06:16 -0000 On 2007-12-13 12:35, Grant wrote: >> After two years using Gentoo, after the first very positive >> impression, I'm a bit tired of breaking things due to updating one >> port. It's also too much of a pain reconfiguring and recompiling the >> Linux kernel. > > Configuring the kernel with menuconfig is a pain. How is it handled > differently with FreeBSD? We use flat text files, like `GENERIC'. They are stored in a well documented, standard place inside the kernel source tree, at the `/usr/src/sys/${ARCH}/conf' directory, where `ARCH' is one of `i386', `amd64' or another supported architecture. All the kernel options and their dependencies are documented in a set of plain text, easy to skim through, files: /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES # Machine independent options /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/NOTES # Machine-dependent options (i386 platform) You can either copy `GENERIC' and tweak its options, or create a minimal kernel config file called `KERAMIDA' which contains just the text: include GENERIC # Use the `GENERIC' kernel for defaults ident KERAMIDA # Custom/local kernel identifier nooption SCHED_4BSD # Disable the 4BSD scheduler. option SCHED_ULE # Enable the ULE scheduler. That's it. With this short kernel config file you are building a custom kernel which uses the `ULE' scheduler by default. To build in a clean checkout of the FreeBSD source tree, all it takes is[1]: # cd /usr/src # make KERNCONF='KERAMIDA' buildkernel [1] There may be a few more steps if you are often building new kernel and userland snapshots, but they are clearly documented in a plain text file called `/usr/src/UPDATING' --- conveniently placed in the toplevel directory of the source tree. I personally find this way of working *MUCH* easier than having to navigate a dozen sublevels of a menu, but YMMV. >> Perhaps it's my lack of experience. On FreeBSD, you can compile the >> kernel every day with no trouble at all, even the whole base system >> weekly, if you're so inclined. I can't be objective, but I think in >> this respect FreeBSD is much, much, much better. > > Can you tell me more about what you mean here? How is it much better? > Easier kernel management? All the information you need to rebuild the full userland *and* kernel of the FreeBSD base system is described in `/usr/src/UPDATING'. That's not all there is, however. The FreeBSD Handbook includes a wealth of documentation about the same process too, including a fairly detailed description of the steps documented in `/usr/src/uPDATING'. There is a *lot* of standard documentation and information describing how to rebuild the base system of FreeBSD from source. What is even more amazing, and intriguing about FreeBSD is that the precise steps to perform an upgrade have changed *very* *little* since the days of my first adventures into BSD-land. There are only minimal changes, if any, to the upgrade process since FreeBSD 3.2 was released more than a decade ago... This stability of `interface' is amazing, and it's what keeps me thrilled with FreeBSD ever since :-) - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 27 17:47:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320BC16A417 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:47:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139CE13C447 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:47:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so5196927waf.3 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:47:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=S9+d3j4T3KC9w84gXTsKZk8pL2+ANT/HdkDBrBXhbZA=; b=cdUz5uemtoV9WV8P6Hwt1rdVu5U9f2mOAnV4zMqlBHO45gt3iyfQRmBz/SFrTOMjWs/2hAWkJ4SunBpBACTOxMS87F9zVJLTB5bZMDZNIsNL3kZI+Eu8iOQFretvC777AbMFRoEbnwy7DadwHiGwAOkPAFklXH7GVewlj4uFzuk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=w4ZDDQz+oJ8XUVyNVioytR+6ddE9ekYwLE7X/G2pPu4rYDiXlhAasP+bsAvzu1pY7Bv9ebI7v9jOGkacmSBklkLM3C1cUZh7+wXX2kpDG6aS4EpjYWr8F/AFH/pTS4f/XYrRfQjEfbXYSeAWrtIzwBqLx+vvmDsJcPAXFhAYhpo= Received: by 10.115.54.1 with SMTP id g1mr8340643wak.132.1198776192087; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.60.13 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:23:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80f4f2b20712270923r2d50eafcif1a8b132a5a575c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:23:12 -0500 From: "Jim Stapleton" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: slashdot interview? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:47:38 -0000 If this has been suggested before, sorry, I didn't find it in my searches. Has the idea of one of those "as such-and-such" articles for slashdot ever been suggested for the FreeBSD core team? Recently they've had articles asking the readers to come up with questions to ask certain developers and/or groups. A month or two ago I figured this wouldn't work for FreeBSD given the usual droll jokes about it being unpopular and dead, but recently there was an article where a few threads grew a lot of interest for BSD (several people asking/answering questions on BSD, with not serious flaming in sight), and I figured maybe something like this might work to get a little more recognition and understanding for the OS. Would this be something worth trying? Am I missing something obvious that everyone else has seen? Thanks, -Jim Stapleton From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 27 19:19:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EC616A41A for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avatar4d@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A82D13C461 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avatar4d@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so623629anc.13 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:19:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PSNrRMWdc50WYvrb2Jze2MH98y+rvdYEqo+zxhIF6O8=; b=XmS0mfPXOjLc5lbfZZgA3TRAoGld+mDy+f+bG56mhyJtCKQ6FwbJy+sX7hXW4IenwqYUjYLl8sNSxfpB+PVbt3Krm97STq+1algroDMvK/dw1sgZqoGDYQq2e6SF7g9+tyGtdFSZN8Jo46LXVJmzWudJEfySlFwZFDZBwf92+v8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TXJnzwBKvCBv9quWX32oui4j+Ixbffxd8VGj2bZ6XqqJCeennkkq9WyAJgTeYLYHTx+78JUS0l2vzD+1JII1NghHBYQv6ukpbRa+OEuTiNy7EkWJFIRuYZMLHeWfxpZZUxZY0Q1tdlTKVuexwLsvyIHXtqF84ofGob1a4cR2QV4= Received: by 10.100.242.20 with SMTP id p20mr17177220anh.1.1198781413388; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.41.15 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:50:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <17489c7a0712271050g1b4c864r5f1f891b205d4fef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:50:13 -0500 From: "Chad Gross" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <80f4f2b20712270923r2d50eafcif1a8b132a5a575c1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <80f4f2b20712270923r2d50eafcif1a8b132a5a575c1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: slashdot interview? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:19:10 -0000 On Dec 27, 2007 12:23 PM, Jim Stapleton wrote: > If this has been suggested before, sorry, I didn't find it in my searches. > > Has the idea of one of those "as such-and-such" articles for slashdot > ever been suggested for the FreeBSD core team? Recently they've had > articles asking the readers to come up with questions to ask certain > developers and/or groups. I think this would be a great idea. It is a great opportunity to get the information on version 7.0 out there. The new features of 7.0 should build some excitement around the OS for those not in the know. > > A month or two ago I figured this wouldn't work for FreeBSD given the > usual droll jokes about it being unpopular and dead, but recently > there was an article where a few threads grew a lot of interest for > BSD (several people asking/answering questions on BSD, with not > serious flaming in sight), and I figured maybe something like this > might work to get a little more recognition and understanding for the > OS. Would this be something worth trying? Am I missing something > obvious that everyone else has seen? > I am a Slashdot-aholic and there are definitely a lot of folks on there that make references of "BSD is dead," et al, but it is really the perfect place to do something like you are suggesting. There are a lot of younger people on there which may account for those know-it-all comments. It reminds me of an old joke: "All the knowledge that can ever be obtained happens between the ages of 4 and 18. Scientists have determined this because at the age of 4, you have all the questions. At the age of 18, you have all the answers." As a former person in sales/marketing, I think that the "get them while they are young" motto has its merits. We need to inform the people, but especially so in that demographic. The reason most of them run Linux (I believe) is because they hate Windows/Microsoft and want an alternative. If they truly understood the way FreeBSD is designed and is administered/used, I think we will be able to convert quite a few Linux users to BSD. The younger the people are that we provide this information to, the better the project will grow. As a user since version 4.0, it is my personal belief that the design of the system is much superior to that of Linux and I am sure that others will follow in that belief given the information. The central development of the OS is obviously another reason it performs as well as it does. If we compare the Linux Kernel + GNU userland vs the FreeBSD way, the pros are clearly on the side of BSD. Plus, once the userbase begins to grow more rapidly we will have more leverage in obtaining driver support as well as native binary support (read: Adobe Flash). I do my part to advocate BSD (I run Free and Open) on Slashdot, but we need front page articles that discuss the way the OS is designed and the reason why it makes more sense to do it that way. Additionally, this can lead into how those design choices ease the administrative tasks of the system. We can't forget to talk about the Handbook either. The documentation is one of the major reasons it is the clear winner over other operating systems. > Thanks, > -Jim Stapleton > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Regards, -- Chad M. Gross From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 28 02:05:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C549816A417 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A777913C474 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so5456145waf.3 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:05:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=TTQyRzwF1Xr247ddFv4ylDsvniE29FStAPQnnxFO4wk=; b=kh4uobiZOJylbUP92AKVcFPZ4a+HXq7/jWcGrlQWEaxYpHuehr7qkfeABMhifrsD9OBnD7ar0xJXof+ee2o4uptaRf87S6pKxWjYrBGh539Z0TwJfLpa2ZtMOPB9fmv5gF3E/xrYTQ4vug2q4/6CMVI6+pbFzVmlj0H0M0JkgPY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MONCoY+mvwV0zBTU9u8kHLOlX1B9/tXNB9TxWhqfi0kqVIThQLpAic17hhrVHnBkMPmf8YI6wXjc1XEzm6oSy1QqbnUdnZXCEJQG79HKkOnD/Su6ECOiwLG6fgcGizovLwHKxILXu1QGfPF9RFAIyZNdz3/Dt9oOxZoqhmOn6tw= Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr7766525wae.76.1198807522157; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.60.13 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:05:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80f4f2b20712271805x23845684q99a9afcef7a77ff7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:05:22 +0000 From: "Jim Stapleton" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <17489c7a0712271050g1b4c864r5f1f891b205d4fef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <80f4f2b20712270923r2d50eafcif1a8b132a5a575c1@mail.gmail.com> <17489c7a0712271050g1b4c864r5f1f891b205d4fef@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: slashdot interview? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:05:22 -0000 > Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Well, I'm mostly putting the idea out here for those who are more familiar with the PR aspects of the project to consider and implement if they think it would be a good idea (although I am willing to try to coordinate things if asked). If I get interest from a few devs, maybe one (or more) people in the kernel/world development, one or more people in ports specific development (the ports system, not necessarily ports in the system), and one or more people working who have put a lot of work in the handbook. Thanks, -Jim Stapleton From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 29 13:22:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDCC16A419 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:22:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C7A13C46B for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:22:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so6560983waf.3 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.112.1 with SMTP id k1mr4647659wac.24.1198932823740; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.23.14 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:53:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:53:43 +0100 From: "TooMany Secrets" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [OT] Helpful Advocacy... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:22:40 -0000 SGkhCgpVY3JhbmlhbiBQcmVzaWRlbnQgbWFraW5nIGEgbm90ZSBhYm91dCBLREUgYW5kIEZyZWVC U0Q6CgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9SnlPV3pLcjBHUlUKCi0tIApIYXZl IGEgbmljZSBkYXkgIDstKQpUb29NYW55U2VjcmV0cwoKPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PQpEaWpvIENvbmZ1Y2lvOgoiRXjDrWdldGUgbXVjaG8gYSB0aSBtaXNtbyB5IGVzcGVyYSBw b2NvIGRlIGxvcyBkZW3DoXMuIEFzw60gdGUgYWhvcnJhcsOhcwpkaXNndXN0b3MuIgo9PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cg== From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 29 23:42:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60D216A420 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from nlpi015.prodigy.net (nlpi015.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EC313C465 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) X-ORBL: [69.230.96.213] Received: from macloft (adsl-69-230-96-213.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [69.230.96.213]) by nlpi015.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBTNTxBf001639; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:29:59 -0600 Message-Id: <4359E35F-FB95-4B0E-BE9A-A14FE0DAD7FC@ixsystems.com> From: Matt Olander To: TooMany Secrets In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:29:59 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] Helpful Advocacy... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:42:19 -0000 On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:53 AM, TooMany Secrets wrote: > Ucranian President making a note about KDE and FreeBSD: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOWzKr0GRU Great! Can anybody translate this? best, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 29 23:45:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC92D16A420 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from nlpi001.prodigy.net (nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DCE13C447 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) X-ORBL: [69.230.96.213] Received: from macloft (adsl-69-230-96-213.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [69.230.96.213]) by nlpi001.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBTNjMRM032060; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:45:23 -0600 Message-Id: <459FC0A9-5FB8-4AEE-8234-F50A2CAA7CDB@ixsystems.com> From: Matt Olander To: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4359E35F-FB95-4B0E-BE9A-A14FE0DAD7FC@ixsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:45:22 -0800 References: <4359E35F-FB95-4B0E-BE9A-A14FE0DAD7FC@ixsystems.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: Subject: Re: [OT] Helpful Advocacy... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:45:25 -0000 On Dec 29, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:53 AM, TooMany Secrets wrote: > >> Ucranian President making a note about KDE and FreeBSD: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOWzKr0GRU > > > Great! Can anybody translate this? Nevermind, I see a synopsis under About This Video. -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101