From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 00:13:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF21A16A404 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from green.dls.net (green.dls.net [209.242.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F99913C45E for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from emailrob.com (216-145-235-166.rev.dls.net [216.145.235.166]) by green.dls.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCB9411EA0 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:13:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4618259F.6040900@emailrob.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:13:35 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_chat References: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> <46180799.5070400@emailrob.com> <861wiv68sd.fsf@dwp.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:13:31 -0000 thanks for the info, des. [ i don't have any usb keyboards, so that explains that ignorance. if the kernel didn't build, i would add things back until it did. nonetheless, thanks. ] rob Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > spellberg_robert writes: > >>do you need kbdmux in the console ? > > > Only if you intend to use USB keyboards. > > >>ADAPTIVE_GIANT ? PREEMPTION ? INET ? UFS_ACL ? SCSI_DELAY ? >>KBD_INSTALL_CDEV ? > > > I don't think you can build a kernel without INET, actually. > > ADAPTIVE_GIANT and PREEMPTION have next to zero footprint. > > UFS_ACL is probably a couple of kilobytes. > > SCSI_DELAY means nothing, it just changes a setting (the hardcoded > default is 15 seconds) > > KBD_INSTALL_CDEV just adds two lines of code to the kbd system. You > can leave it out if you don't intend to use USB keyboards but it won't > save you much. It should probably not be an option any more. > > DES From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 00:52:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C08816A401 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:52:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C92E13C458 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:52:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g7so1690948muf for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:52:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=d/FHlfkl145QRQvq+TWkYamuNrw+h0b57VW3dzf2IrXfAJDREFJeV5vB2vfL9/VUBsqu0eLbvoMktVowJUe70vqFxvcwcV3vg9t82diFNf9HQSPA1xYuw6FEPWpgj8gdYPcfSU1WyqLtg0CbH5pgLo0lMfsn83ypyXFGPpuP0L0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eSbTp7bTdbbvRf+EpLZLFbafL+fwDG3xsB2eegg6IzlBGxreuwZqqEY9NVI13alGxnuc9EQjK4CBaKmT4Rsn1P6ZUh9RYjsuKifAArzqD/vmEV+dwS1cT24PhB5Vvy60BXDKth/i8F+JJNPw7mW7AoaOmaQtNSSpLThUvO0BLAQ= Received: by 10.82.188.15 with SMTP id l15mr6202773buf.1175991812104; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.104.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w7sm17265485mue.2007.04.07.17.23.30; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4618366C.60200@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:25:16 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: spellberg_robert References: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> <46180799.5070400@emailrob.com> In-Reply-To: <46180799.5070400@emailrob.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:52:04 -0000 spellberg_robert wrote: > take out absolutely --everything-- not related to > the hard_drive, the keyboard and the crt, > even though there are other things that are important, > like networking. > if you can't get this to come up, > it may be time for a good scotch and some wistful memories. > > kill the remaining pseudo_devices. > do you need kbdmux in the console ? Problem is: what's that? OK, redunant, removed, period. > ADAPTIVE_GIANT ? PREEMPTION ? INET ? UFS_ACL ? SCSI_DELAY ? > KBD_INSTALL_CDEV ? OK ... I don't know what these (exactly) are, but: # Don't know if removing SCSI_DELAY will save me more than an sizeof( integer ) :) In this case, what about FBSD3.4compat? > you get the idea. > once you get it working, you can always add things back, one at a time. > when it fails, you know your limit. It's true the other way around. When I remove something, it gives a compile time error. These include: 'undefined reference to myfunc()', and something like #error "Huh? ppp without INET?". Maybe removing all at once will stop their cross references. > i do admire your stick_to_it_iveness. > but, remember, new two_year old technology is pretty cheap, > when you can find it. > > can't promise this will work. > hope it helps. HTX yo > rob From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 01:40:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7486016A402 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 01:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from green.dls.net (green.dls.net [209.242.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508F913C45D for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 01:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from emailrob.com (216-145-235-166.rev.dls.net [216.145.235.166]) by green.dls.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AD0411AA4 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:40:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46183A02.4030006@emailrob.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:40:34 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_chat References: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> <46180799.5070400@emailrob.com> <4618366C.60200@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:40:30 -0000 ok - first, you have what des said and what i said back. that covers most of this [ must've crossed in the mail ]. all i'm doing is removing anything i don't recognize [ i am a minimalist at heart ], but my needs aren't necessarily the same as yours. as for 4.3 compatibility, i don't remember just what it is; but, i think it's a workaround for a bug in 4.3bsd, where fixing the bug would break subsequently written apps and there are too many written apps still in use out there to fix [ or some such ]. it says to keep it; i've never argued. i don't remember access control lists or threads being around back during 486 days. fix the earliest occurring error first as subsequent errors may be spurious [ i've known this since fortran in the 1970's, but i still forget on occasion ]. the first time i did this was maybe five years ago. it was a lot of trial and error. once i got most of what i didn't have or need out of the way and it worked, i left it alone and smiled quietly to myself. you've pretty much taken out everything; i really don't think i can tell you much else. i --can-- tell you this, however. about half of the planet is in the middle of observing something major. if you are in that half, have a happy. if not, well - any excuse for a party, dude! [ hmmm, i wonder if scotch is kosher for pesach. i gave up drinking, so i don't remember. ] rob ps --- i was about to send this when i had a thought. i make absolutely --no-- claim that this is a good idea, but, to me, it's plausible. my thinking is that there is less code. on the other hand, it may introduce a different set of unpleasantries. instead of trying to put 6.x on the 486, what if you backed off and tried something younger ? looking at my shelf, i see that my latest version of the versions is 3.5.1, 4.11, 5.5 and 6.2 [ i also have some 2's, but ... ]. as an example, if 3.5.1 works, try 4.11. if that works, try 5.5 [ iirc, 5.0 and 5.1 are bogus ]. if that works, maybe it's good enough. if 3.5.1 works and 4.11 doesn't work, split the difference and try 4.6. you get the idea. like i said, it's a thought. deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > spellberg_robert wrote: > >> take out absolutely --everything-- not related to >> the hard_drive, the keyboard and the crt, >> even though there are other things that are important, >> like networking. >> if you can't get this to come up, >> it may be time for a good scotch and some wistful memories. >> >> kill the remaining pseudo_devices. >> do you need kbdmux in the console ? > > > Problem is: what's that? OK, redunant, removed, period. > >> ADAPTIVE_GIANT ? PREEMPTION ? INET ? UFS_ACL ? SCSI_DELAY ? >> KBD_INSTALL_CDEV ? > > > OK ... I don't know what these (exactly) are, but: # > Don't know if removing SCSI_DELAY will save me more than an sizeof( > integer ) :) > In this case, what about FBSD3.4compat? > >> you get the idea. >> once you get it working, you can always add things back, one at a time. >> when it fails, you know your limit. > > > It's true the other way around. When I remove something, it gives a > compile time error. These include: 'undefined reference to myfunc()', > and something like #error "Huh? ppp without INET?". Maybe removing all > at once will stop their cross references. > >> i do admire your stick_to_it_iveness. >> but, remember, new two_year old technology is pretty cheap, >> when you can find it. >> >> can't promise this will work. >> hope it helps. > > > HTX yo > >> rob > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 02:35:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E3416A400 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 02:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2010213C487 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 02:35:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1394845ugh for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:35:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lYCTE0GY9ZmyjS8ns9b5AUUGbLnrtUZFcNfLeXOcrjNCjAYpLi3yEQd4CUbxGH3IDWYQuj7MfFP3bpGgIH/s9oxNdyBKoN6zGOfg0DqgOH1Alr//lwTE+Ofq1WJarfpG3Q4uxz0PhmQhWx1UNUXoR0SgTYA0pbl5hD2Zh3KAHm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jbz0fHiDgY+rl8G3uUuSl4HNDSzg32FoQkuePvdkzqqg0yKIzpyF1OOYxBVr82vsjwjUatIB0mh82NF/QaQzFHGyEe3eByEjwBdWe9b89jbp+pHRaHy11mSFr59rXlTWyJZXN8K21+WtG/6mr61fAON1qUwLA2bs/o/3xtLuS5g= Received: by 10.66.225.1 with SMTP id x1mr4188783ugg.1175999748339; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.104.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e9sm17043631muf.2007.04.07.19.35.46; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4618556C.7030103@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:37:32 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> <46180799.5070400@emailrob.com> <4618366C.60200@gmail.com> <46183A02.4030006@emailrob.com> In-Reply-To: <46183A02.4030006@emailrob.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:35:50 -0000 spellberg_robert wrote: > ok - first, you have what des said and what i said back. > that covers most of this [ must've crossed in the mail ]. yeah i received his mail later > all i'm doing is removing anything i don't recognize > [ i am a minimalist at heart ], > but my needs aren't necessarily the same as yours. > > as for 4.3 compatibility, i don't remember just what it is; > but, i think it's a workaround for a bug in 4.3bsd, > where fixing the bug would break subsequently written apps and > there are too many written apps still in use out there to fix > [ or some such ]. > it says to keep it; i've never argued. > > i don't remember access control lists or threads being around > back during 486 days. > > fix the earliest occurring error first as > subsequent errors may be spurious > [ i've known this since fortran in the 1970's, > but i still forget on occasion ]. > > the first time i did this was maybe five years ago. > it was a lot of trial and error. > once i got most of what i didn't have or need > out of the way and it worked, > i left it alone and smiled quietly to myself. > > you've pretty much taken out everything; > i really don't think i can tell you much else. > > i --can-- tell you this, however. > about half of the planet is in the middle of observing something major. > if you are in that half, have a happy. > if not, well - any excuse for a party, dude! > > [ hmmm, i wonder if scotch is kosher for pesach. > i gave up drinking, so i don't remember. ] > > rob > > > > ps --- > > i was about to send this when i had a thought. > i make absolutely --no-- claim that this is a good idea, > but, to me, it's plausible. > my thinking is that there is less code. > on the other hand, > it may introduce a different set of unpleasantries. > > instead of trying to put 6.x on the 486, > what if you backed off and tried something younger ? > looking at my shelf, i see that > my latest version of the versions is 3.5.1, 4.11, 5.5 and 6.2 > [ i also have some 2's, but ... ]. > as an example, if 3.5.1 works, try 4.11. > if that works, try 5.5 [ iirc, 5.0 and 5.1 are bogus ]. > if that works, maybe it's good enough. > if 3.5.1 works and 4.11 doesn't work, > split the difference and try 4.6. > you get the idea. > > like i said, it's a thought. I'll try. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 03:09:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A8416A400 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 03:09:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10B213C45D for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 03:09:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1396705ugh for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:09:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; b=l5FdZJxIMI8sdQTquzeij2joMtU6bZePV0mh0ndIZY3w2X8/4E9h9wqjbVrtHxMKh9TWNsmLgy/EWarGw3rus6J/NsqTBuQVhVVYzq2CEp8jzhUYNm9NlDyp3XauYHuOMwkmekbEauCRy4cwA9o+9qwyRA7kzII1hCuccW2lPJs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; b=VmmFTOa6dDAfy05mc2gqqUFkOqUVxsKgEkFFO4E3KKr4RPdtoJGW6TwfYfoqrsgHFKCxDf+GFYO+kRNwUB7igmY0gtXbjSgGieYJkkpkgmfI+f1PWl6HHFwyr411zK/+tD53SiOIgPcoEMHsZfjpUQUpwjYfJjMJwrtzg0VfS1A= Received: by 10.67.22.2 with SMTP id z2mr4203095ugi.1176001795551; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.104.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y2sm13219476mug.2007.04.07.20.09.51; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46185D69.5030703@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 05:11:37 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080305060108000807020302" Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 03:09:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080305060108000807020302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK now I've tried everything. Most minimal kernel I could get without compilation error. No optimizations. And it still reboots the system! Something more: now I've tried to pull out the floppy cables, and that 4slot-isa expantion card stuff, played around with all jumpers (IRQ, EPC DMA/OMGWTF?, WriteBack/WriteThrough, 33/25MHz, VGA output, ...). Same thing. DES, you asked for a log. How do I get it? Typing from the other monitor now... BTX loader 1.0 BTX version is 1.01 Consoles: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 BIOS drive B: is disk1 BIOS 639kB/7168kB available memory FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1 (root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu, Fri Jan 12 06:40:38 UTC 2007) Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/kernel/kernel text=0x173... ... beastie greets us. 7. Reboot works fine, 1 to 6 cause this: -\|/-\|/- loading for half a second, then quick reboot OK, conclusion: The error is in no way because bad hardware or bad hardware config. A smaller kernel isn't a fix. The error rises when the kernel loads other modules and probes other devices. The source might be somewhere here. A module isn't compatible with the hardware. --------------080305060108000807020302 Content-Type: text/plain; name="BAREv7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BAREv7" ident BAREv7 machine i386 cpu I486_CPU #cpu I586_CPU #cpu I686_CPU # To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints #hints "GENERIC.hints" # Default places to look for devices. #makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options SCHED_4BSD # 4BSD scheduler #options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking #options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem #options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support #options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists #options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories #options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device #options NFSCLIENT # Network Filesystem Client #options NFSSERVER # Network Filesystem Server #options NFS_ROOT # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCLIENT #options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem #options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem #options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) #options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework #options GEOM_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options COMPAT_43 # Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] #options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 #options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI #options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support #options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory #options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues #options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores #options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions #options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev #options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Giant mutex is adaptive. #device apic # I/O APIC # Bus support. #device eisa #device pci # Floppy drives #device fdc # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives #device ataraid # ATA RAID drives #device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives #device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives #device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI Controllers #device ahb # EISA AHA1742 family #device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~128k to driver. #device ahd # AHA39320/29320 and onboard AIC79xx devices #options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~215k to driver. #device amd # AMD 53C974 (Tekram DC-390(T)) #device isp # Qlogic family #device ispfw # Firmware for QLogic HBAs- normally a module #device mpt # LSI-Logic MPT-Fusion #device ncr # NCR/Symbios Logic #device sym # NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets + those of `ncr') #device trm # Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315U adapters #device adv # Advansys SCSI adapters #device adw # Advansys wide SCSI adapters #device aha # Adaptec 154x SCSI adapters #device aic # Adaptec 15[012]x SCSI adapters, AIC-6[23]60. #device bt # Buslogic/Mylex MultiMaster SCSI adapters #device ncv # NCR 53C500 #device nsp # Workbit Ninja SCSI-3 #device stg # TMC 18C30/18C50 # SCSI peripherals #device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI) #device ch # SCSI media changers #device da # Direct Access (disks) #device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) #device cd # CD #device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) #device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) # RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem #device amr # AMI MegaRAID #device arcmsr # Areca SATA II RAID #device asr # DPT SmartRAID V, VI and Adaptec SCSI RAID #device ciss # Compaq Smart RAID 5* #device dpt # DPT Smartcache III, IV - See NOTES for options #device hptmv # Highpoint RocketRAID 182x #device rr232x # Highpoint RocketRAID 232x #device iir # Intel Integrated RAID #device ips # IBM (Adaptec) ServeRAID #device mly # Mylex AcceleRAID/eXtremeRAID #device twa # 3ware 9000 series PATA/SATA RAID # RAID controllers #device aac # Adaptec FSA RAID #device aacp # SCSI passthrough for aac (requires CAM) #device ida # Compaq Smart RAID #device mfi # LSI MegaRAID SAS #device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family #device pst # Promise Supertrak SX6000 #device twe # 3ware ATA RAID # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard #device psm # PS/2 mouse #device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer device vga # VGA video card driver #device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc # Enable this for the pcvt (VT220 compatible) console driver #device vt #options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor #device agp # support several AGP chipsets # Power management support (see NOTES for more options) #device apm # Add suspend/resume support for the i8254. #device pmtimer # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support # PCMCIA and cardbus bridge support #device cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge #device pccard # PC Card (16-bit) bus #device cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus # Serial (COM) ports #device sio # 8250, 16[45]50 based serial ports # Parallel port #device ppc #device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) #device lpt # Printer #device plip # TCP/IP over parallel #device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # If you've got a "dumb" serial or parallel PCI card that is # supported by the puc(4) glue driver, uncomment the following # line to enable it (connects to the sio and/or ppc drivers): #device puc # PCI Ethernet NICs. #device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') #device em # Intel PRO/1000 adapter Gigabit Ethernet Card #device ixgb # Intel PRO/10GbE Ethernet Card #device txp # 3Com 3cR990 (``Typhoon'') #device vx # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! #device miibus # MII bus support #device bce # Broadcom BCM5706/BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet #device bfe # Broadcom BCM440x 10/100 Ethernet #device bge # Broadcom BCM570xx Gigabit Ethernet #device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes #device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device lge # Level 1 LXT1001 gigabit Ethernet #device nge # NatSemi DP83820 gigabit Ethernet #device nve # nVidia nForce MCP on-board Ethernet Networking #device pcn # AMD Am79C97x PCI 10/100(precedence over 'lnc') #device re # RealTek 8139C+/8169/8169S/8110S #device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 #device sf # Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'') #device sis # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016 #device sk # SysKonnect SK-984x & SK-982x gigabit Ethernet #device ste # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX) #device stge # Sundance/Tamarack TC9021 gigabit Ethernet #device ti # Alteon Networks Tigon I/II gigabit Ethernet #device tl # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device tx # SMC EtherPower II (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vge # VIA VT612x gigabit Ethernet #device vr # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device wb # Winbond W89C840F #device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # ISA Ethernet NICs. pccard NICs included. #device cs # Crystal Semiconductor CS89x0 NIC # 'device ed' requires 'device miibus' #device ed # NE[12]000, SMC Ultra, 3c503, DS8390 cards #device ex # Intel EtherExpress Pro/10 and Pro/10+ #device ep # Etherlink III based cards #device fe # Fujitsu MB8696x based cards #device ie # EtherExpress 8/16, 3C507, StarLAN 10 etc. #device lnc # NE2100, NE32-VL Lance Ethernet cards #device sn # SMC's 9000 series of Ethernet chips #device xe # Xircom pccard Ethernet # Wireless NIC cards #device wlan # 802.11 support #device wlan_wep # 802.11 WEP support #device wlan_ccmp # 802.11 CCMP support #device wlan_tkip # 802.11 TKIP support #device an # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs. #device ath # Atheros pci/cardbus NIC's #device ath_hal # Atheros HAL (Hardware Access Layer) #device ath_rate_sample # SampleRate tx rate control for ath #device awi # BayStack 660 and others #device ral # Ralink Technology RT2500 wireless NICs. #device wi # WaveLAN/Intersil/Symbol 802.11 wireless NICs. #device wl # Older non 802.11 Wavelan wireless NIC. # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback #device random # Entropy device device ether # Ethernet support #device sl # Kernel SLIP #device ppp # Kernel PPP #device tun # Packet tunnel. #device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) #device md # Memory "disks" #device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling #device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. #device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support #device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface #device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface #device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) #device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices #device ugen # Generic #device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" #device ukbd # Keyboard #device ulpt # Printer #device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da #device ums # Mouse #device ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs #device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player #device uscanner # Scanners # USB Ethernet, requires miibus #device aue # ADMtek USB Ethernet #device axe # ASIX Electronics USB Ethernet #device cdce # Generic USB over Ethernet #device cue # CATC USB Ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB Ethernet #device rue # RealTek RTL8150 USB Ethernet # FireWire support #device firewire # FireWire bus code #device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da) #device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!) --------------080305060108000807020302-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 04:04:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDE916A402 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 04:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943B913C458 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 04:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.177]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JG500M8ESIYSR40@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml5so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.149]) by pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JG500I44SIYPMC0@pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx.cydem.org ([24.87.27.3]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JG500B04SIXUB10@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 21:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:04:06 -0700 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: <46180F62.6040309@emailrob.com> To: emailrob@emailrob.com Message-id: <20070407200406.5027ca8b@soralx.cydem.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <46180F62.6040309@emailrob.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [ot] seeking usa vendor of two_year_old technology X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:04:13 -0000 > i --did-- find one vendor, "ncix", > [...] I'm not saying "stay away", but... Once upon a time, I had an urge to get a working SATA controller before the weekend [cheap, nothing fancy, no fake|not_fake RAID (if possible at all these days), just to make use of freshly acquired WD5000YS]. So on Flyday evening, I buried myself deep in Google, and dug out one site, ncix.com, which had a _huge_ inventory list along with passable prices. "Whoa!", I scratched my head. Then it occured to me that this might be just like the computer junk source "oemexpress.com" I so missed at the new location. So I start up the engine and race to their local "store" minutes beforce the troublesome 'closed' time. What was there to be seen? Anything, but the huge stock I figured! Out of the ~20 SATA HBA's I saw on their web site, they had only one, so I was forced to buy it. Later, whole evening and night were wasted trying to make the damn thing work: first, make FreeBSD recognize it (backport to 5.4-R some code from 6-R, add pci-id, etc), and then figuring out what caused _*data corruption*_ -- driver, PCI bus, the card, or the new HDD? In the end, I restrained my anger, calmly returned that garbage back to NCIX (without too much hassle, to their credit, -- must be a very common procedure to them, I suppose; BTW, at the same time someone was also returning faulty memory stix), went riding around the city and found a friendly small store who don't sell cheap junk, have better prices and _much_ better stock, and got a card that Just Works. A week later, I had to deal with some 'high-end' (performance-wise) workstation that had a cooked power supply. The case showed off a fancy 'NCIX' badge on it, and it was one of the worst cases (both computer cases, and cases of brainless design) I've ever seen (no exxageration here, folks): thin walls, sharp edges, and riveted covers (except one, of course). To replace a PSU, you've got to take the mainboard and everything else out. Very creative design, I tell you. I don't blame 'em for using a poor-quality PSU (almost everyone does), but I'm usure how intelligent it is using using such a crap case on a performance workstation. Maybe the bright color LEDs on fans (WTF???) made it all look in rose-colored light. > rob [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 08:43:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D815E16A402 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:43:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ph.schulz@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3208013C45A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ph.schulz@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 Apr 2007 08:17:01 -0000 Received: from p5b1292d7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO mallory.local) [91.18.146.215] by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 08 Apr 2007 10:17:01 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1954550 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18jRxU3wJojX3XBs5HnkeuJaOqcUxdn//Pe2U7MLX B9Sik7CBlBN/6K Message-ID: <4618A4FB.5050001@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:16:59 +0200 From: "Philip S. Schulz" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Macintosh/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <46180A09.5020003@gmail.com> <46180799.5070400@emailrob.com> <861wiv68sd.fsf@dwp.des.no> In-Reply-To: <861wiv68sd.fsf@dwp.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:43:43 -0000 on 08.04.2007 1:53 Uhr Dag-Erling Smørgrav said the following: > spellberg_robert writes: >> do you need kbdmux in the console ? > > Only if you intend to use USB keyboards. > >> ADAPTIVE_GIANT ? PREEMPTION ? INET ? UFS_ACL ? SCSI_DELAY ? >> KBD_INSTALL_CDEV ? > > I don't think you can build a kernel without INET, actually. > FYI, I tried that the other day. All it took was to comment out one or two lines of code (sorry, don't recall the details at the moment). I'm not sure how functional the kernel was, however, since I only tried to boot it until it got to the mountroot prompt. Phil. -- Don't fix it if it ain't broke. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 09:19:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA9016A401 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8143013C4BB for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E111320A3; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:19:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DB020A2; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:19:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BF714A10A5; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:19:19 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <46185D69.5030703@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:19:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <46185D69.5030703@gmail.com> (deeptech71@gmail.com's message of "Sun, 08 Apr 2007 05:11:37 +0200") Message-ID: <868xd3ustk.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:19:23 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com writes: > OK now I've tried everything. Most minimal kernel I could get without > compilation error. No optimizations. And it still reboots the system! > Something more: now I've tried to pull out the floppy cables, and that > 4slot-isa expantion card stuff, played around with all jumpers (IRQ, > EPC DMA/OMGWTF?, WriteBack/WriteThrough, 33/25MHz, VGA output, > ...). Same thing. > > DES, you asked for a log. How do I get it? Typing from the other > monitor now... Serial console. > OK, conclusion: > The error is in no way because bad hardware or bad hardware config. A > smaller kernel isn't a fix. The error rises when the kernel loads > other modules and probes other devices. The source might be somewhere > here. A module isn't compatible with the hardware. % cat >/boot/loader.conf beastie_disable=3D"YES" boot_verbose=3D"YES" acpi_load=3D"NO" ^D How much memory does the machine have? We used to be able to run in 8=A0MB, but 7-CURRENT might need as much 16 MB to boot. Have you tried an older release? > ident BAREv7 Looks fine, except that you will regret not having random and pty. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 18:08:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D5816A421 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:08:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7822213C484 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO breathpoint.home) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 537304; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:08:45 +0400 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:01:10 +0400 From: Yuri Grebenkin To: Kevin Kinsey Message-Id: <20070408210110.00e08550.breath@unix.net> In-Reply-To: <4612C3A0.8000507@daleco.biz> References: <4612C3A0.8000507@daleco.biz> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone using/heard of NOD32 (Win Antivirus).... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:08:51 -0000 I use NOD32 from time to time. Seems to be robust. Caught several viruses (all). Low traffic updates, doesn't affect performance, easy tunable. For me it was better than huge ones. > We are, like many, constrained to do support > for a number of clients who use that Other System. > > Anyone in the same boat heard of or using "NOD32" > for anti-virus on said platform? Just heard of it > today (we don't update our security paradigm often > enough, it seems), and it looks pretty nice. > > Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 8 19:44:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C2016A400 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from green.dls.net (green.dls.net [209.242.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F8813C45A for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 19:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from emailrob.com (216-145-235-90.rev.dls.net [216.145.235.90]) by green.dls.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911D1411DDC; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:44:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46193826.6040907@emailrob.com> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:44:54 +0100 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: soralx@cydem.org References: <46180F62.6040309@emailrob.com> <20070407200406.5027ca8b@soralx.cydem.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: [ot] seeking usa vendor of two_year_old technology X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:44:56 -0000 i truly understand. this morning, i decided to procrastinate [ before researching intel's site to identify suitable 945g boards ] by watching a dvd. i tend to buy several dozen at a time so that they are available when i am, rather than hoping to "get lucky" with the cable tv channels. "copacabana", 1947, republic pictures, groucho marx, carmen miranda, 91 minutes, b/w [ this --should-- have been in technicolor ]. i had forgotten just how funny this is. anyway, what's relevant to this discussion is the coincidence that, after i removed the plastic wrapper, i found a few remnants of a previous plastic wrapper. ok - people return things [ btw, the dvd is fine ]. but [ this is what i don't like about mail order ], it's like forrest gump's box of chocolates. was it returned working or broken ? think about the socket contacts on the board. does the vendor return the broken stuff or do they re_wrap it ? sometimes it isn't easy to find out. until a couple of years ago, there was a reliable local firm who supplied parts. i kept buying from them. they have decided to go into the custom server market, so they are no longer available for what i want. the big_box stores do "consumer electronics". they are good for blank disks. in the long run [ end of '07 ? ], i'm just going to have to become a reseller/integrator, as part of the concept i'm launching in june. in the short run, maybe i'll get lucky and discover that, when people return to the office on monday, a reader of this list can assist with procurement. thanks for the input. thanks especially for the story; i like stories. rob soralx@cydem.org wrote: >>i --did-- find one vendor, "ncix", >>[...] > > > I'm not saying "stay away", but... [ snip ] > ... BTW, at the same time someone was also returning faulty memory stix ... [ snip ] > ... got a card that Just Works. ah, yes; the Holy Grail [ sometimes, we actually find it ]. > Maybe the bright color LEDs on fans (WTF???) > made it all look in rose-colored light. i believe these to be popular with the teeny_boppers. they are easily impressed. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 13:33:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A730B16A400 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:33:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from David.W.Gray@nielsen.com) Received: from yorktown.nielsenmedia.com (yorktown.nielsenmedia.com [206.113.192.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F00C13C489 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:33:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from David.W.Gray@nielsen.com) Received: from NMRFLIMG1.enterprisenet.org ([10.38.67.53]) by yorktown.nielsenmedia.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l39D4nCu023806 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmr001oldOWA01.enterprisenet.org (unverified) by NMRFLIMG1.enterprisenet.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:04:33 -0400 Received: from nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org ([10.38.67.64]) by nmr001oldOWA01.enterprisenet.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:04:33 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:04:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> In-Reply-To: <20070408120010.D3FD416A413@hub.freebsd.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: what can i do with a 486? thread-index: Acd51pnI7/BLzWkTQX6QKJSoGCBqtgA0KsYg From: "Gray, David W" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2007 13:04:33.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E2EE8F0:01C77AA7] Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:33:20 -0000 Is that a 48*6* or a 48*7*??? You MUST HAVE a floating point emulator if you don't have a '487 (also known as a '486 overdrive), or no boot. I'm at work, so I don't know if we still ship the emulator(s), but you need it. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 15:17:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7C516A402 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (mail.freeode.co.uk [87.127.24.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5A813C46A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from lexx.freeode.co.uk (lexx.freeode.co.uk [10.10.10.2]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l39F0GjV011301 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:00:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) From: John Murphy To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:00:16 +0100 Message-ID: <12lk131j9outvlmdin1m9e7olhjp4fsbs9@4ax.com> References: <20070408120010.D3FD416A413@hub.freebsd.org> <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> In-Reply-To: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd001@freeode.co.uk List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:17:17 -0000 "Gray, David W" wrote: >Is that a 48*6* or a 48*7*??? You MUST HAVE a floating point emulator if >you don't have a '487 >(also known as a '486 overdrive), or no boot. I'm at work, so I don't >know if we still ship >the emulator(s), but you need it. Good point. He said it's a 486sx earlier so definitely would need FPU emulation (or a 487 if there's a socket for one). -- John. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 16:38:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C3D16A400 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:38:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DED613C4C6 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:38:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D792090; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:38:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5750920A1; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:38:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4289BA10AC; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:38:10 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: "Gray, David W" References: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:38:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> (David W. Gray's message of "Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:04:33 -0400") Message-ID: <868xd1ec5p.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:38:17 -0000 "Gray, David W" writes: > Is that a 48*6* or a 48*7*??? You MUST HAVE a floating point > emulator if you don't have a '487 (also known as a '486 overdrive), > or no boot. The 487 was not a "486 overdrive", but an add-on FP unit for the 486SX (which shipped with the built-in FP unit physically disabled). The "overdrive" was Pentium chip that fit in a 486 socket, and later also early Pentium sockets (so you could fit a 120 MHz Pentium Overdrive on a 60 MHz board, similar to the 486 DX2 which ran at twice the speed of the motherboard). DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 21:24:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F3F16A400 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:24:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF5B13C4AD for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:24:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1652002ugh for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jnKd1i36pLc9cIs/Lp7iWBRG9pRNR94v1731kNQVvhygQEo3gyfLGAVNC+894aS8eY/bRZHx0Uu5S+6pz2f9maBQ7b7PacUd5jIehYb0SggxWpf5jJDKtCBPTlR1+GwAwl/mM6QVOjcitre1ieCqTw30/f8L8NwX4puwcZY1IjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LG/8Nk8goqnqecHNVotqVGDRcm0p3mXj0TbQd96ZEZWM/mmAKKacnEC3h8+OCZjhqtLIa95xcxi/qdnLR8P52LiJKBIv4JxfaWrjGQ69ueNnT4HkQtpVMVX4xxgbaG+IhvuTBGnOaULbeqO3x98/6L4IiUcJXhMrNdGnaXhhvR0= Received: by 10.82.104.18 with SMTP id b18mr8351645buc.1176153889648; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.0.101.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i5sm1243796mue.2007.04.09.14.24.48; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <461AAF8E.6000304@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:26:38 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gray, David W" References: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> In-Reply-To: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:24:51 -0000 Gray, David W wrote: > Is that a 48*6* or a 48*7*??? You MUST HAVE a floating point emulator if > you don't have a '487 > (also known as a '486 overdrive), or no boot. I'm at work, so I don't > know if we still ship > the emulator(s), but you need it. That might be it. How to add FPU emu support to the 6.2 kernel? (or is it available up to 5.2?) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 22:57:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0574516A402 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:57:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F8413C4AE for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:57:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@bitfreak.org) Received: from [10.9.70.12] (pool-71-117-207-70.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.207.70]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F6364C; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <461ABEFE.5040200@bitfreak.org> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:32:30 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> <461AAF8E.6000304@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <461AAF8E.6000304@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:57:28 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Gray, David W wrote: >> Is that a 48*6* or a 48*7*??? You MUST HAVE a floating point emulator if >> you don't have a '487 >> (also known as a '486 overdrive), or no boot. I'm at work, so I don't >> know if we still ship >> the emulator(s), but you need it. > > That might be it. How to add FPU emu support to the 6.2 kernel? (or is it > available up to 5.2?) I would try to boot 4.11-R before investing any more time trying to boot 5.x or 6.x. Legacy support is still intact in 4.x and, if it does boot, you can provide complete dmesg and pciconf outputs. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 9 23:21:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828ED16A400 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1363C13C448 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so1665509ugh for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:21:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GAtQQ1e/niwsTbMEHkkKopf9RRpKZTSsp6phZZyupZLneNek3IRR3uK3KGzECZlpNl/uvpxXS9W9EWFps6DYg57Y+Ik+WpFqPZdEW8NK4youyTsvkyBJ2MeI39r9KEE2qVP919pZXi4qqFoyjIHvGsxd8TH9KfcQZGyK+TMlgBI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EfRteje5qqMKdaaj6OTWRVMrBYnSWddL9EEvidJez0nKuC1hw6kJcgVhKTMuRq5idgb0kIUcc2pvOXUAjrWhhtb0XlyQJpEeJPl1qX19LZtFsrP5egk1JXbooAcDoq3jFG2oqu0OgRuyhysv8qju75pnRunxabsouIlYpdBA1KQ= Received: by 10.67.28.9 with SMTP id f9mr5599206ugj.1176160861118; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.2.4.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e9sm25716189muf.2007.04.09.16.20.59; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <461ACAC9.6090209@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:22:49 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Pilgrim References: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> <461AAF8E.6000304@gmail.com> <461ABEFE.5040200@bitfreak.org> In-Reply-To: <461ABEFE.5040200@bitfreak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:21:02 -0000 Darren Pilgrim wrote: > deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: >> Gray, David W wrote: >>> Is that a 48*6* or a 48*7*??? You MUST HAVE a floating point emulator if >>> you don't have a '487 >>> (also known as a '486 overdrive), or no boot. I'm at work, so I don't >>> know if we still ship >>> the emulator(s), but you need it. >> >> That might be it. How to add FPU emu support to the 6.2 kernel? (or is >> it available up to 5.2?) > > I would try to boot 4.11-R before investing any more time trying to boot > 5.x or 6.x. Legacy support is still intact in 4.x and, if it does boot, > you can provide complete dmesg and pciconf outputs. > What is this? It caught my eye. npx0: 387 emulator Because 10 minutes ago I installed FreeBSD 2.2.9-RELEASE on the 486 and it boots with the generic kernel and works just fine. OMG! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 02:12:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A33916A41A for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@bitfreak.org) Received: from mail.twinthornes.com (mail.twinthornes.com [65.75.198.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A776B13C483 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@bitfreak.org) Received: from [10.9.70.12] (pool-71-117-207-70.ptldor.fios.verizon.net [71.117.207.70]) by mail.twinthornes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BEC678; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <461AF2A9.6030501@bitfreak.org> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:12:57 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D685FA7@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> <461AAF8E.6000304@gmail.com> <461ABEFE.5040200@bitfreak.org> <461ACAC9.6090209@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <461ACAC9.6090209@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:12:59 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Darren Pilgrim wrote: >> deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: >>> Gray, David W wrote: >>>> Is that a 48*6* or a 48*7*??? You MUST HAVE a floating point emulator if >>>> you don't have a '487 >>>> (also known as a '486 overdrive), or no boot. I'm at work, so I don't >>>> know if we still ship >>>> the emulator(s), but you need it. >>> That might be it. How to add FPU emu support to the 6.2 kernel? (or is >>> it available up to 5.2?) >> I would try to boot 4.11-R before investing any more time trying to boot >> 5.x or 6.x. Legacy support is still intact in 4.x and, if it does boot, >> you can provide complete dmesg and pciconf outputs. >> > > What is this? It caught my eye. > > npx0: 387 emulator Proof that the computer has no FPU and is therefore not supported by 5.2 and numerically later releases. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 13:15:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C3116A402 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:15:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from David.W.Gray@nielsen.com) Received: from yorktown.nielsenmedia.com (yorktown.nielsenmedia.com [206.113.192.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7DF13C459 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from David.W.Gray@nielsen.com) Received: from nmrflimg3.enterprisenet.org ([10.38.67.73]) by yorktown.nielsenmedia.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3ADFnBI005885 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmr001oldOWA01.enterprisenet.org (unverified) by nmrflimg3.enterprisenet.org (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.17) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:15:32 -0400 Received: from nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org ([10.38.67.64]) by nmr001oldOWA01.enterprisenet.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:15:32 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:15:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3428D9627CC79A4ABF37A519431D98120D6867CE@nmr001oldmsx05.enterprisenet.org> In-Reply-To: <461AAF8E.6000304@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: what can i do with a 486? thread-index: Acd67f/vVRHghhF5SHmNyMOfasnX8AAg7DBQ From: "Gray, David W" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2007 13:15:32.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[512FBE00:01C77B72] Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:15:51 -0000 As I recall, we had two emulators - one that didn't work so hot, and a better one that was, alas GPL'd, and therefore couldn't be built into a distribution kernel. As to when it stopped shipping, I dunno - I know it's in 4, and I know it isn't in 6, but I don't have any 5. boxen left. (The laptop I couldn't get to work under 5.2+ is now happily purring under=20 Ubuntu, and everything else is on 6.) And yeah, I misremembered the overdrive chips (but, the '487 WAS NOT a math coprocessor - it was a real '486 + fpu, with a bond out option.)=20 -----Original Message----- From: deeptech71@gmail.com [mailto:deeptech71@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:27 PM To: Gray, David W Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? Gray, David W wrote: > Is that a 48*6* or a 48*7*??? You MUST HAVE a floating point emulator=20 > if you don't have a '487 (also known as a '486 overdrive), or no boot. > I'm at work, so I don't know if we still ship the emulator(s), but you > need it. That might be it. How to add FPU emu support to the 6.2 kernel? (or is it available up to 5.2?) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 17:44:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5134D16A400 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F153A13C48C for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from zion.baldwin.cx (zion.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3AHBONF065757; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:11:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:48:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <4616877D.7020205@evilphi.com> <8664899vvt.fsf@dwp.des.no> In-Reply-To: <8664899vvt.fsf@dwp.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704101248.25510.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.1]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:11:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/3064/Tue Apr 10 12:25:23 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Darren Pilgrim , Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:44:29 -0000 On Friday 06 April 2007 14:54, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Darren Pilgrim writes: > > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > > > Darren Pilgrim writes: > > > > Well for one you should probably not try to boot an i686 kernel > > > > on a 486.... > > > It's not an i686 kernel. It's an i486 kernel with code to > > > recognize and support i586 and i686 CPUs. > > Technically it's neither. It's an i386 kernel with support for > > 486-, 586- and 686-class CPUs. >=20 > No. It won't run on an i386. Atomic operations are ridiculously > inefficient on the i386 (no cmpxchg), so we don't use i386-compatible > code unless I386_CPU was specified. And support for I386_CPU was removed in 6.0. =2D-=20 John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 17:44:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED11616A401 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE3A13C4AD for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:44:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from zion.baldwin.cx (zion.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3AHBONG065757; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:11:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:03:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <200704051719.l35HJ2ZW018555@lurza.secnetix.de> <200704061227.11036.danny@ricin.com> <4616686C.8000603@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4616686C.8000603@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704101303.40902.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.1]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:11:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.3/3064/Tue Apr 10 12:25:23 2007 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Danny Pansters Subject: Re: what can i do with a 486? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:44:30 -0000 On Friday 06 April 2007 11:34, deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Danny Pansters wrote: > > Might still be too little (or defect!) RAM. One other idea might be to add isa > > (you have pci and eisa), an old (isa-based?) mobo may need some crufty > > plug-n-pray stuff -- possibly even to get to the HD controller, I'm not sure. > > It was running windoze3.1 normally. I doubt about defective RAM. > > PCI is definitely unneeded, I only had it there to allow it to boot on a new > comp. But as I've seen it, it would boot without it: with the message 'loading > required module pci'. I don't know if it's an EISA or ISA or whatever (google > images show this and that..), so now I have 'device eisa' and 'isa'. One change in 5.x and later is that we now load the kernel at 4MB phyiscal address rather than 1MB to work around an issue on Pentium 4's with PSE. If you can find a way to change the kernel to load at 1MB again that would probably help a lot. > >> Oh and.. should I be using 5.1 over 6.2? > > > > 5 is dead. You pretty much must use 6 I think. > > floating point emulation... What about it? Is that required? The old proc doesnt > support it. It was removed since 5.3, I've heard... A 486sx will need it, a 486dx will not. > What about apic? 486's in general don't have APICs, and we don't support the special ones 486's use anyway, so axe it. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 20:31:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FC716A404 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed@kikkert-online.nl) Received: from out4.smtp.messagingengine.com (out4.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADD713C468 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ed@kikkert-online.nl) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0F821708A for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:11:46 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: W8vup54tAtgfzQy8OMiur1PsTn0EW+kTv2jZGLGCaWkb 1176235905 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (53550E8C.cable.casema.nl [83.85.14.140]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD8DBDAC for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <461BEF7C.1090608@kikkert-online.nl> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:11:40 +0200 From: Ed Kikkert User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Wireless Community Camp 2007 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: eddy@wifisoft.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0000 *Wireless Community Camp 2007* The WCC2007 is a wonderful week of cooperation education and care. The WCC2007 is seven day camping with technicians, open-source users and organizers of diverse projects. 100 people from all over the world will share their knowledge about wifi, open-source and community networking. 13 - 19 August 2007, Oegstgeest, The Netherlands *Organisation* With co-operation we are learning how to organize and build up the camp, and an extension of that is how to build up a local communtiy to run a public wireless network. By sharing knowledge we can improve our skills. We learn and teach by hands-on practical training. We learn by doing. Organising an event or project is a training in leadership. Care is a base to work and trust the good intentions of people we work with. Care creates safety to learn, to make errors and to correct them. *Program* We have an excellent training program offering all the knowledge how to start a public wireless network. Most of the knowledge can be used for other projects as well. The program contains the building of antennas and the usage of open source software to build wireless routers and servers. What we are going to do: 13-14 august building up campsite + opening session 15-17 august open source training program 18-19 august community event, antenna building and measuring The exact program still grows every day, keep an eye on it *Cornerstones* The WCC will be established at the lowest costs. This can be done by three important cornerstones of the Wifisoft.org triangle : * volunteers, * sponsors * and the community. *Want to help us out?* At this moment we are looking for trainees, sponsors and organisers. If you want to join please register as soon as possible. This is realy important to us. Sponsoring will be used in several ways: * especially for our foreign campers: help with tickets, visas and hardware shipping. * financial support for a webserver. * local support at the bootcamp. We still have vacancies for talented organisers who want to improve their skills in our organisation. If you want to join please register as soon as possible. This is realy important for us. What you can do for us right now is: * register and become one of us * email this message and our flyer to your friends and collegues *The Wifisoft.org Foundation* Wifisoft.org is a not-for-profit organization that initiates, stimulates and evolves local and international cooperation between communities that administrate a public wireless network. The main infrastructure for Wifisoft.org is the internet. On http://wifisoft.org, communities can create their own workspace. Besides the yearly WCC there are other smaller events focussed on optical links, and software development. Once a year we organize a Wireless Community Camp. Here we organize and facilitate lectures and hands-on workshops. We hope the see you at the WCC2007. Kind regards, Ed Kikkert -- | Ed Kikkert | eddy@wifisoft.org | Wireless BootCamp 2007 | http://wifisoft.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 21:04:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABA516A402 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Thomas.Sparrevohn@btinternet.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F356513C4C1 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Thomas.Sparrevohn@btinternet.com) Received: (qmail 84124 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2007 20:38:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=URHR0wQ2FwRC055D8OAJVZJrC9Qrq44T6X6bnBgBnqedJBD449VZkAgDMS+jrspQUJXHGvWjV6X+iavCCXp3hSczDdWMy0JFAS/nrdM6wsutX67gWmjrKi/vR0Pb9BV7lk32NL9hCnkco5dqBLtHznf75jB9GoyfG905sBkr9Q4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w2fzz0vc03) (thomas.sparrevohn@btinternet.com@81.159.89.235 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2007 20:38:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u5nQUa8VM1md57dWZqbOngS0_bdG_v2pvAKTqWRErOu3Z3ZKovl.qmAwu_7oYj_HVRCw667FwSQIgZr2avlZKUp.6MAA80SgEA0SExolrkoAzAR0Ag5xopdcjDQ- From: "Thomas Sparrevohn" To: "'Kevin Kinsey'" , "'FreeBSD Chat'" References: <461130D7.8030500@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <461130D7.8030500@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:38:17 +0100 Message-ID: <012001c77bb0$2bfa1a20$83ee4e60$@Sparrevohn@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acd1R9T/zS3GyGSDTgmParKw1ClqTgGaDV0Q Content-Language: en-gb Cc: Subject: RE: Terry Lamber's "Mr. Bullet Mr. Foot" quote... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Thomas.Sparrevohn@btinternet.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:04:58 -0000 I don't every recall having that signature - it's funny > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > chat@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Kinsey > Sent: 02 April 2007 17:36 > To: FreeBSD Chat > Subject: Terry Lamber's "Mr. Bullet Mr. Foot" quote... > > I find it hilarious, but can't find much corroborative evidence. > Thomas Sparrevohn uses something very much like this in his .sig: > > "It is not Unix's job to keep you from shooting yourself in the > foot. If you should choose to do so, it is Unix's job to deliver > Mr. Bullet to Mr. Foot in the most efficient way it knows." > --- Terry Lambert > > A reasonable amount of googling didn't produce a source file for > said quote, though, only archived e-mails of Thomas's. > > Anyone know anything about it? Context? When, where, got a URI? > > Kevin Kinsey > > P.S. Hope I spelled "Sparrevohn" correctly. Seamonkey thinks > it should be spelled "Irrevocable".... :-D > -- > I can give you my word, but I know what it's worth and you don't. > -- Nero Wolfe, Over My Dead Body > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 00:00:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C96A16A400 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:00:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F4313C457 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:00:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO breathpoint.home) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 556009; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:00:13 +0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:52:36 +0400 From: Yuri Grebenkin To: Kevin Kinsey Message-Id: <20070411025236.275f40de.breath@unix.net> In-Reply-To: <461BCB47.4080504@daleco.biz> References: <76BA0043-1D47-42FB-AB77-BB6C7A69E792@mac.com> <461BCB47.4080504@daleco.biz> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail (was Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:00:22 -0000 On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:37:11 -0500 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Steven Johnson wrote: > > Hello, > > I am receiving your email because of a screw-up in Gmail. I have no > > recourse > > but to mark your email as spam and delete it. > > Gmail has been unresponsive in correcting the problem. > > Mr.SDJohnson@Gmail.com > > > > Hi, Steven.... > > It *might* be a screwup in GMail. However, I have circumstantial > evidence that suggests it may be otherwise. I hate to bother you, > but, in the interest of several people who may be affected, could > you send the full source of an e-mail you received from the FreeBSD > list directly to me, and not to the list? Also, if you have some > convincing evidence that it's GMail, are we allowed to know about it? > > I'd like everyone to note that I'm merely curious; this is the > fourth person in 24 hours to say "why in the world am I getting > these e-mails?" or "please unsubscribe me", including 2 G-mail users, > an AIM.com/AOL user, and one who's at/near Abacus America/Aplus in > San Diego. > > I'm copying postmaster@ as well, although I doubt it's his problem, > but maybe a "heads up" would be a Good Thing(tm). My best guess so > far is a messed-up forwarding rule or alias/virtuser somewhere (and > it's a big, big world), or an malicious or incompetent person with > an axe to grind. > > To those of you who are receiving these messages, perhaps Mr. Johnson's > recourse is currently your best option. Also, please note that I am > simply an interested individual, and do not represent the FreeBSD Project, > G-Mail, AOL/AIM, Abacus/A+, the Teamsters/AFL/CIO, CIA/NSA, KGB, Zdnet, > , Yahoo!, Pravda, New York Times, etc., etc. > > Kevin Kinsey Haha! That's funny for sure. :) Supposing there are not too much people who can't unsubscribe silently there must be many more others receiving the list accidentally. On other side, it's not a huge victim "public" because we'd get much more complaints. Anyway, if someone will get some clue, let me know. Yuri Grebenkin From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 05:55:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3CC16A400 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690EB13C46A for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.178]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JGB00JWLKG03YA0@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.147]) by pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JGB003AGKFZMD60@pd3mr2so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx.cydem.org ([24.87.27.3]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JGB0008FKFYYL91@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:55:07 -0700 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: <20070411025236.275f40de.breath@unix.net> To: breath@unix.net Message-id: <20070410225507.3942fe39@soralx.cydem.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <76BA0043-1D47-42FB-AB77-BB6C7A69E792@mac.com> <461BCB47.4080504@daleco.biz> <20070411025236.275f40de.breath@unix.net> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail (was Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:55:44 -0000 > > I'd like everyone to note that I'm merely curious; this is the > > fourth person in 24 hours to say "why in the world am I getting > > these e-mails?" or "please unsubscribe me", including 2 G-mail do you think that it wasn't simply spam? I once got a finely crafted spam with quoutes from the lists, which I read almost halfway before realizing that I was losing the thread far too often, and maybe not because of my logic unit being particularly slow that day... Maybe what we're seeing is an emergent behaviour of the Internet -- distributed intelligence that got lonely and bored and wants to chat? :-o I can't seem to think of a sane reason to send out messages full of garbage that have a chance of being deleted close to 100%. Doing that on a massive scale seems to me to be beyond any logic or reason. > > Kevin Kinsey [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 10:37:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BA616A408 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from webmail1.abac.com (webmail2.abac.com [216.55.191.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8662F13C4BE for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from webmail.kgparts.com (localhost.abac.com [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.abac.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3BAMIfB017386 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from 68.45.102.74 (SquirrelMail authenticated user keith@kgparts.com); by webmail.kgparts.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4769.68.45.102.74.1176286938.squirrel@68.45.102.74> In-Reply-To: <20070410225507.3942fe39@soralx.cydem.org> References: <76BA0043-1D47-42FB-AB77-BB6C7A69E792@mac.com> <461BCB47.4080504@daleco.biz> <20070411025236.275f40de.breath@unix.net> <20070410225507.3942fe39@soralx.cydem.org> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: keith@kgparts.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.648 (NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS) Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail (was Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:37:19 -0000 WHY am I on this list? I have tried everything to get off and nothing is working... PLEASE HELP ME GET OFF THE LIST Thanks > >> > I'd like everyone to note that I'm merely curious; this is the >> > fourth person in 24 hours to say "why in the world am I getting >> > these e-mails?" or "please unsubscribe me", including 2 G-mail > > do you think that it wasn't simply spam? I once got a finely crafted > spam with quoutes from the lists, which I read almost halfway before > realizing that I was losing the thread far too often, and maybe not > because of my logic unit being particularly slow that day... > > Maybe what we're seeing is an emergent behaviour of the Internet -- > distributed intelligence that got lonely and bored and wants to > chat? :-o I can't seem to think of a sane reason to send out messages > full of garbage that have a chance of being deleted close to 100%. > Doing that on a massive scale seems to me to be beyond any logic or > reason. > >> > Kevin Kinsey > > [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 11:25:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB0216A403 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:25:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A2C13C45A for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:25:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO breathpoint.home) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 560934; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:25:19 +0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:17:33 +0400 From: Yuri Grebenkin To: soralx@cydem.org, Kevin Kinsey Message-Id: <20070411151733.708bf320.breath@unix.net> In-Reply-To: <20070410225507.3942fe39@soralx.cydem.org> References: <76BA0043-1D47-42FB-AB77-BB6C7A69E792@mac.com> <461BCB47.4080504@daleco.biz> <20070411025236.275f40de.breath@unix.net> <20070410225507.3942fe39@soralx.cydem.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail (was Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:25:51 -0000 On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:55:07 -0700 soralx@cydem.org wrote: > > > I'd like everyone to note that I'm merely curious; this is the > > > fourth person in 24 hours to say "why in the world am I getting > > > these e-mails?" or "please unsubscribe me", including 2 G-mail > > do you think that it wasn't simply spam? I once got a finely crafted > spam with quoutes from the lists, which I read almost halfway before > realizing that I was losing the thread far too often, and maybe not > because of my logic unit being particularly slow that day... > > Maybe what we're seeing is an emergent behaviour of the Internet -- > distributed intelligence that got lonely and bored and wants to > chat? :-o I can't seem to think of a sane reason to send out messages > full of garbage that have a chance of being deleted close to 100%. > Doing that on a massive scale seems to me to be beyond any logic or > reason. > > > > Kevin Kinsey But those people seem to be so human and unique. Ahh... After all, not every minute you get such cuties here :-). - Yuri From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 12:47:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A357E16A400 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297BD13C48C for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO breathpoint.home) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 561754 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:47:49 +0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:40:12 +0400 From: Yuri Grebenkin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070411164012.5f484bcf.breath@unix.net> In-Reply-To: <4769.68.45.102.74.1176286938.squirrel@68.45.102.74> References: <76BA0043-1D47-42FB-AB77-BB6C7A69E792@mac.com> <461BCB47.4080504@daleco.biz> <20070411025236.275f40de.breath@unix.net> <20070410225507.3942fe39@soralx.cydem.org> <4769.68.45.102.74.1176286938.squirrel@68.45.102.74> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail (was Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:47:55 -0000 That's it! If I were, for example, keith at kgparts.com (special respect to him and all new subscribers who begun to get this list these hard days :) ) I'd read the Subject line and then the rest of message. That all gives enough sense to avoid asking "Why?" at least. Strange words seems to be out-topic. Maybe some other list gone crazy: it abuses subscribers and all complaints are somehow routed wrong way... "Have tried everything" what? If I'd tried something I'd mention it here. Hmm... Androids? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) keith@kgparts.com wrote: > WHY am I on this list? I have tried everything to get off and nothing is > working... PLEASE HELP ME GET OFF THE LIST > > Thanks > > > > >> > I'd like everyone to note that I'm merely curious; this is the > >> > fourth person in 24 hours to say "why in the world am I getting > >> > these e-mails?" or "please unsubscribe me", including 2 G-mail > > > > do you think that it wasn't simply spam? I once got a finely crafted > > spam with quoutes from the lists, which I read almost halfway before > > realizing that I was losing the thread far too often, and maybe not > > because of my logic unit being particularly slow that day... > > > > Maybe what we're seeing is an emergent behaviour of the Internet -- > > distributed intelligence that got lonely and bored and wants to > > chat? :-o I can't seem to think of a sane reason to send out messages > > full of garbage that have a chance of being deleted close to 100%. > > Doing that on a massive scale seems to me to be beyond any logic or > > reason. > > > >> > Kevin Kinsey > > > > [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 - Yuri From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 13:07:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B51016A405 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from pro26.abac.com (pro26.abac.com [66.226.64.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B5313C484 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from KeithsLaptop (pool-70-106-90-241.hag.east.verizon.net [70.106.90.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by pro26.abac.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3BD7RKp069142; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Message-Id: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> From: "keith" To: "'Yuri Grebenkin'" , Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:07:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20070411164012.5f484bcf.breath@unix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd8OERYbbU7qd9ET/aG54JrP2bXHQAAE/ug X-Spam-Score: 0.927 (MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail (was Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:07:31 -0000 Ok, maybe not everything... but everything I KNOW HOW to do... :( I should only be receiving emails addressed directly to my address Keith@KG... I also have a FWD'ing mail that is for emails that send to "Sales@KG....." but I went into my server and changed the FWD address of the "sales" email to another address. The reason I did this was because I tried to unsubscribe and it told me that my address "Keith@.." was not a valid email. I tried emailing myself at every other (not sure what they are called) Prefix's(?) @ my domain. Nothing gets to my inbox. I rerouted the "sales" address and it started coming back to my inbox... This is all I know how to do to figure out where the mail is being sent to. I logged into the main page for this list and could nto get anywhere either. I tried to look up the addresses of registered users but I obviously do not have access level to do so. I tried to unsubscribe through this page rather than just emailing the unsubscribe address with the email addresses that should be captured. Nothing worked as it said it would send an unsubscribe email for me to complete the request. I never got the emails to complete the unsubscribe request. Either someone is having fun with me, or another email list I am on is getting querky. The weird thing is that it apparently is not only happening to me and other email lists I am on do not go to this address. They go to a yahoo address. I assume it is someone messing with me that thinks this is funny. Someone PLEASE help me!! Thanks!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Yuri Grebenkin Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:40 AM To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail (was Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ) That's it! If I were, for example, keith at kgparts.com (special respect to him and all new subscribers who begun to get this list these hard days :) ) I'd read the Subject line and then the rest of message. That all gives enough sense to avoid asking "Why?" at least. Strange words seems to be out-topic. Maybe some other list gone crazy: it abuses subscribers and all complaints are somehow routed wrong way... "Have tried everything" what? If I'd tried something I'd mention it here. Hmm... Androids? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) keith@kgparts.com wrote: > WHY am I on this list? I have tried everything to get off and nothing is > working... PLEASE HELP ME GET OFF THE LIST > > Thanks > > > > >> > I'd like everyone to note that I'm merely curious; this is the > >> > fourth person in 24 hours to say "why in the world am I getting > >> > these e-mails?" or "please unsubscribe me", including 2 G-mail > > > > do you think that it wasn't simply spam? I once got a finely crafted > > spam with quoutes from the lists, which I read almost halfway before > > realizing that I was losing the thread far too often, and maybe not > > because of my logic unit being particularly slow that day... > > > > Maybe what we're seeing is an emergent behaviour of the Internet -- > > distributed intelligence that got lonely and bored and wants to > > chat? :-o I can't seem to think of a sane reason to send out messages > > full of garbage that have a chance of being deleted close to 100%. > > Doing that on a massive scale seems to me to be beyond any logic or > > reason. > > > >> > Kevin Kinsey > > > > [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 - Yuri _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 13:21:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B16016A403 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA5F13C46A for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCF02090; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:21:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DF62081; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:21:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4D201A10AC; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:21:10 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: "keith" References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:21:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> (keith@kgparts.com's message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:07:59 -0400") Message-ID: <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: 'Yuri Grebenkin' , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:21:18 -0000 "keith" writes: > Ok, maybe not everything... but everything I KNOW HOW to do... :( Do you KNOW HOW to check the headers of an email you received from the list to see what address it was actually delivered to? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 13:50:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25A016A400 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FF513C4C4 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JGC00BSM6G3DY80@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.151]) by pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JGC00A9T6G3FUR1@pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx.cydem.org ([24.87.27.3]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JGC00AHP6G2NJB0@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:50:23 -0700 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: <20070411151733.708bf320.breath@unix.net> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <20070411065023.108c33c9@soralx.cydem.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <76BA0043-1D47-42FB-AB77-BB6C7A69E792@mac.com> <461BCB47.4080504@daleco.biz> <20070411025236.275f40de.breath@unix.net> <20070410225507.3942fe39@soralx.cydem.org> <20070411151733.708bf320.breath@unix.net> Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail (was Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:50:30 -0000 > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:55:07 -0700 > soralx@cydem.org wrote: > > > > > I'd like everyone to note that I'm merely curious; this is the > > > > fourth person in 24 hours to say "why in the world am I getting > > > > these e-mails?" or "please unsubscribe me", including 2 G-mail > > > > do you think that it wasn't simply spam? I once got a finely crafted > > spam with quoutes from the lists, which I read almost halfway before > > realizing that I was losing the thread far too often, and maybe not > > because of my logic unit being particularly slow that day... > > > > Maybe what we're seeing is an emergent behaviour of the Internet -- > > distributed intelligence that got lonely and bored and wants to > > chat? :-o I can't seem to think of a sane reason to send out > > messages full of garbage that have a chance of being deleted close > > to 100%. Doing that on a massive scale seems to me to be beyond any > > logic or reason. > > > > > > Kevin Kinsey > > But those people seem to be so human and unique. Yeah, you're right. I haven't thought of that -- such a heartless bastard, ain't I? More seriously, though, I wasn't talking about trolls, as it was spam of the clear (first) water. > Ahh... After all, not every minute you get such cuties here :-). Strangely enough, I got that spam not through the list, but directly. Well, I think it's clear already that people are getting real messages from the maillists, even though they [think] they don't want them and say they can't unsubscrbe? Hm... If you try to unsubscribe by sending a message to mailman, do you get removed immediately, or there's some form of confirmation mail sent (that gets lost in the Great Bitbucket, perhaps)? > - Yuri [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 14:15:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0F016A404 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC26313C465 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO breathpoint.home) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 562638; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:15:15 +0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:07:36 +0400 From: Yuri Grebenkin To: soralx@cydem.org Message-Id: <20070411180736.7411d663.breath@unix.net> In-Reply-To: <20070411065023.108c33c9@soralx.cydem.org> References: <76BA0043-1D47-42FB-AB77-BB6C7A69E792@mac.com> <461BCB47.4080504@daleco.biz> <20070411025236.275f40de.breath@unix.net> <20070410225507.3942fe39@soralx.cydem.org> <20070411151733.708bf320.breath@unix.net> <20070411065023.108c33c9@soralx.cydem.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail (was Re: adding keyboard after reboot with no keyboard ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:20 -0000 On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:50:23 -0700 soralx@cydem.org wrote: > Well, I think it's clear already that people are getting real messages > from the maillists, even though they [think] they don't want them and > say they can't unsubscrbe? Hm... If you try to unsubscribe by sending a > message to mailman, do you get removed immediately, or there's some > form of confirmation mail sent (that gets lost in the Great > Bitbucket, perhaps)? I've just instructed the latest visitor to try email way. The most interesting question is where and how it all starts to subscribe? (if only subscribtion actually takes a place) And another: What about Mailman subscriber passwords? Though, we still don't know clear enough source of messages which are sent to our new visitors. Maybe fake "FreeBSD list". They just click "Reply" and it reaches the real one. - Yuri From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 14:25:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E3E16A417 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:25:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE4E13C4DD for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:25:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO breathpoint.home) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 562759; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:25:38 +0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:18:00 +0400 From: Yuri Grebenkin To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Message-Id: <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> In-Reply-To: <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:25:50 -0000 On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:21:09 +0200 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > "keith" writes: > > Ok, maybe not everything... but everything I KNOW HOW to do... :( >=20 > Do you KNOW HOW to check the headers of an email you received from the > list to see what address it was actually delivered to? >=20 > DES > --=20 > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no --- Here are the headers --- On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:00:42 -0400 "keith" wrote: > I am not sure how to fwd as attached???=20 >=20 > This is the header in the email of a message from the list. (same one I am > fwding you): >=20 > Return-Path: > Received: from smtp-gw4.mailanyone.net (smtp-gwalt4.mailanyone.net > [69.31.1.237]) > by pro26.abac.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3BDoGAI094609 > for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:50:19 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) > X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > DKIM-Signature: a=3Drsa-sha1; c=3Drelaxed/relaxed; d=3Dgmail.com; s=3Dbet= a; > =09 > h=3Ddomainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject= :cc:m > ime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; > =09 > b=3DTqW/ld+fePuYXUdz0hYZVTK4F/4jDfKz4uk9563tjwyZ8YaIl0g6PFd71lmGJ36KfK0An= xUpeV > BY//ckqKBtBsnYvlqmuP+xAHgu5ZNWhAtk3f5BMXbDsjP6AkVP1Cx8AWLgmj2Vt9cAouC6iJ/= p+M > l0MvASkkhrFyexgwliDS4=3D > DomainKey-Signature: a=3Drsa-sha1; c=3Dnofws; d=3Dgmail.com; s=3Dbeta; > =09 > h=3Dreceived:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type= :cont > ent-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; > =09 > b=3DRnfWGSxcIUqp3P5Xerz/+k+9mbvtHu3tpYENVXMwwD1Tdkj3YOlHqd1NUgRjTPARNxDV3= c3B5H > /SXfOv5+eSCDvqY+NbE5/jd+515sX2G4dehcj4zJkGrgbufZTA43P/wOFq/a1RCs1Sl4CJ2Bu= DlU > 4Zhvr3L6h4btKHGgCGuMI=3D > Message-ID: <226ae0c60704110648t162b5991pd98728f68b2a6082@mail.gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:48:38 -0400 > From: "David Robillard" > To: "FreeBSD Questions" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > Cc: L33T Networks > Subject: Re: Locking SSH Users to $HOME > X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > Precedence: list > List-Id: User questions > List-Unsubscribe: > ,=20 > > List-Archive: > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: > ,=20 > > Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Errors-To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > X-FuseMail-Forward: 1 > X-FuseMail-FwdBy: 170066 > X-Spam-Score: 0.001 (SPF_SOFTFAIL) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Any help is appreciated!!!=20 >=20 > Thanks!! >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of David Robillard > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:49 AM > To: FreeBSD Questions > Cc: L33T Networks > Subject: Re: Locking SSH Users to $HOME >=20 > > Using the SSHD server, how can I lock users SSH'ing into a box into the= ir > > home directory, without having access to the /usr/home directory as a > > whole? >=20 > You can try to use the security/ssh2 port to replace the base system's > sshd(8). This version of ssh supports additional chroot configuration > options which lets you do exactly what you're looking for. >=20 > Here's a link to the port: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/security/ssh2/pkg-descr >=20 > Here's an article which shows you how to do what your looking for: > http://freebsdrocks.net/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=3D5= 1&Itemid=3D > 1 >=20 > Have fun, >=20 > David > --=20 > David Robillard > UNIX systems administrator & Oracle DBA > CISSP, RHCE & Sun Certified Security Administrator > Montreal: +1 514 966 0122 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" - Yuri From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 14:45:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164DC16A401 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B3C13C44C for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:45:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF262090; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:45:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BB82081; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:45:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C4EACA10AC; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:45:04 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Yuri Grebenkin References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:45:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> (Yuri Grebenkin's message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:18:00 +0400") Message-ID: <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: keith@kgparts.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:45:13 -0000 Yuri Grebenkin writes: > "keith" wrote: >> This is the header in the email of a message from the list. (same one I = am >> fwding you): >>=20 >> Return-Path: >> Received: from smtp-gw4.mailanyone.net (smtp-gwalt4.mailanyone.net >> [69.31.1.237]) >> by pro26.abac.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3BDoGAI094609 >> for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:50:19 -0700 (PDT) >> (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) >> X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> [...] the headers are incomplete (probably through no fault of Keith's), but they show that the email transited through mailanyone.net which is *not* where it would go if Keith was actually subscribed - they would go directly from mx2.freebsd.org to kgparts.com or mx2.abac.com. Keith, do you happen to have a MailAnyone account which is forwarded to ? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 15:03:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB34F16A407 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A0D13C4B7 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO breathpoint.home) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 563077 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:03:32 +0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:55:54 +0400 From: Yuri Grebenkin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070411185554.617a3902.breath@unix.net> In-Reply-To: <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:03:36 -0000 On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:21:09 +0200 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > "keith" writes: > > Ok, maybe not everything... but everything I KNOW HOW to do... :( >=20 > Do you KNOW HOW to check the headers of an email you received from the > list to see what address it was actually delivered to? Message path is probably too short in the headers. I compared some Gmail->FBSD->someone headers with interesting one. Clear difference. mailanyone.net can't be the first source normally. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 15:08:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8FC16A406 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:08:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB4013C46C for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (dqfmhm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l3BF8N7a009998 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:08:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id l3BF8NUr009997; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:08:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200704111508.l3BF8NUr009997@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:08:28 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Terry Lamber's "Mr. Bullet Mr. Foot" quote... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:08:31 -0000 Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > [...] > > Personally I prefer to spend half a minute reading again through > > what I wrote before sending it. > > Yes, but that suffers from the effect that you probably read what > you wanted to write, not necessarily what's actually on the page. > Happens to me all the time. Doesn't happen that often to me (except when I'm in a hurry). Reading it backwards helps, BTW. :-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "Being really good at C++ is like being really good at using rocks to sharpen sticks." -- Thant Tessman From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 15:16:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA0616A401 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from webmail1.abac.com (webmail2.abac.com [216.55.191.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C7113C4C5 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:16:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from webmail.kgparts.com (localhost.abac.com [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.abac.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3BFGl1c036383; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from 70.106.82.159 (SquirrelMail authenticated user keith@kgparts.com); by webmail.kgparts.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> In-Reply-To: <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: keith@kgparts.com To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.648 (NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:16:55 -0000 No I do not have any other accounts fwding to this address set up. They have both been deleted to try to narrow this down.... Thanks > Yuri Grebenkin writes: >> "keith" wrote: >>> This is the header in the email of a message from the list. (same one I >>> am >>> fwding you): >>> >>> Return-Path: >>> Received: from smtp-gw4.mailanyone.net (smtp-gwalt4.mailanyone.net >>> [69.31.1.237]) >>> by pro26.abac.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3BDoGAI094609 >>> for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:50:19 -0700 (PDT) >>> (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) >>> X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>> [...] > > the headers are incomplete (probably through no fault of Keith's), but > they show that the email transited through mailanyone.net which is > *not* where it would go if Keith was actually subscribed - they would > go directly from mx2.freebsd.org to kgparts.com or mx2.abac.com. > > Keith, do you happen to have a MailAnyone account which is forwarded > to ? > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 15:29:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743A116A403 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from webmail1.abac.com (webmail2.abac.com [216.55.191.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6150D13C458 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from webmail.kgparts.com (localhost.abac.com [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.abac.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3BFTjeO037511 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from 70.106.82.159 (SquirrelMail authenticated user keith@kgparts.com); by webmail.kgparts.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> In-Reply-To: <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: keith@kgparts.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.648 (NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS) Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:29:49 -0000 Now my sister-in-law just called me saying she is on the same email list and just got this last reply I sent out.... She also had over 100 and something emails from this list since yesterday. (Same time I must have been subscribed.) I also just tried the unsubscribe email as directed with "unsubscribe" in the subject line... It did not work. Came back saying I am not on this list as a user. > No I do not have any other accounts fwding to this address set up. They > have both been deleted to try to narrow this down.... > > > Thanks > >> Yuri Grebenkin writes: >>> "keith" wrote: >>>> This is the header in the email of a message from the list. (same one >>>> I >>>> am >>>> fwding you): >>>> >>>> Return-Path: >>>> Received: from smtp-gw4.mailanyone.net (smtp-gwalt4.mailanyone.net >>>> [69.31.1.237]) >>>> by pro26.abac.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3BDoGAI094609 >>>> for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:50:19 -0700 (PDT) >>>> (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) >>>> X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>> [...] >> >> the headers are incomplete (probably through no fault of Keith's), but >> they show that the email transited through mailanyone.net which is >> *not* where it would go if Keith was actually subscribed - they would >> go directly from mx2.freebsd.org to kgparts.com or mx2.abac.com. >> >> Keith, do you happen to have a MailAnyone account which is forwarded >> to ? >> >> DES >> -- >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 15:39:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE9916A409 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:39:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328AC13C489 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:39:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54AC2090; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:39:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F4E2081; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:39:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0C1B5A10AC; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:39:18 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: keith@kgparts.com References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:39:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> (keith@kgparts.com's message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:29:45 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <86y7kyudi2.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:39:25 -0000 keith@kgparts.com writes: > Now my sister-in-law just called me saying she is on the same email list > and just got this last reply I sent out.... She also had over 100 and > something emails from this list since yesterday. (Same time I must have > been subscribed.) > > I also just tried the unsubscribe email as directed with "unsubscribe" in > the subject line... It did not work. Came back saying I am not on this > list as a user. Because you aren't - somebody is forwarding list traffic to you, possibly maliciously. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 16:07:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2252B16A400 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61A413C459 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO breathpoint.home) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 563576 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:07:43 +0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:00:01 +0400 From: Yuri Grebenkin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20070411200001.2892e09c.breath@unix.net> In-Reply-To: <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:07:48 -0000 On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:29:45 -0700 (PDT) keith@kgparts.com wrote: > I also just tried the unsubscribe email as directed with "unsubscribe" in > the subject line... It did not work. Came back saying I am not on this > list as a user. Obviously. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 16:42:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF1516A404 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0741B13C45B for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:42:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BGfrdk054385; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:41:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <461D0FCC.4020900@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:41:48 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: keith@kgparts.com References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> In-Reply-To: <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:42:04 -0000 keith@kgparts.com wrote: > Now my sister-in-law just called me saying she is on the same email list > and just got this last reply I sent out.... She also had over 100 and > something emails from this list since yesterday. (Same time I must have > been subscribed.) > That's probably the best clue so far; it wouldn't be hard for some err, jokester, to falsify a mail or use the mailman interface to subscribe a list address somewhere else to a list here, would it? He could simply be a list subscriber and sign up via the web interface and then reply to the confirmation mail that was sent to his list? I guess I need to go back and look at the Mailman interface. Barring that, some monkey business with mail(1) and the right command switches could produce a similar effect. Keith might allow us to know what list he and he relative are on, as well --- if this (above) is the case, it might be possible to, at the very least, get <> unsubscribed. Kevin Kinsey -- There's a fine line between courage and foolishness. Too bad it's not a fence. > I also just tried the unsubscribe email as directed with "unsubscribe" in > the subject line... It did not work. Came back saying I am not on this > list as a user. > >> No I do not have any other accounts fwding to this address set up. They >> have both been deleted to try to narrow this down.... >> >> >> Thanks >> >>> Yuri Grebenkin writes: >>>> "keith" wrote: >>>>> This is the header in the email of a message from the list. (same one >>>>> I >>>>> am >>>>> fwding you): >>>>> >>>>> Return-Path: >>>>> Received: from smtp-gw4.mailanyone.net (smtp-gwalt4.mailanyone.net >>>>> [69.31.1.237]) >>>>> by pro26.abac.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3BDoGAI094609 >>>>> for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:50:19 -0700 (PDT) >>>>> (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) >>>>> X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>>> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >>>>> [...] >>> the headers are incomplete (probably through no fault of Keith's), but >>> they show that the email transited through mailanyone.net which is >>> *not* where it would go if Keith was actually subscribed - they would >>> go directly from mx2.freebsd.org to kgparts.com or mx2.abac.com. >>> >>> Keith, do you happen to have a MailAnyone account which is forwarded >>> to ? >>> >>> DES From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 17:45:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9490C16A402; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B6713C46C; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96AE2090; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:45:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C072081; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:45:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8ECB8A10AC; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:45:25 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: "Jason Moss" References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <86y7kyudi2.fsf@dwp.des.no> <80a487270704111019m6e1cac26vfe7b827e57663ddd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:45:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <80a487270704111019m6e1cac26vfe7b827e57663ddd@mail.gmail.com> (Jason Moss's message of "Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:19:54 -0400") Message-ID: <86lkgyyfd6.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: keith@kgparts.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:45:35 -0000 "Jason Moss" writes: > I'm on the same list and also multiple times tried to UNSUBSCRIBE and > keep getting the same message. But still on the list! > > They started yesterday for the first time. All the emails are > containing technical issues or subjects related to the tech field. So > I'm sure someone from "freebsd.org" can find out what the deal is and > remove the people/addresses that don't belong on there. It looks to me like somebody is forwarding FreeBSD mailing list traffic to random people to annoy us by swamping us with inexplicable complaints. It would help a lot if you could send me the complete headers from one of the unsolicited messages you received. If you're using Google Mail's web interface, select one of these messages, click on the "down arrow" in the top right corner of the message (next to where it says "Reply") and select "show original", then send me everything up to the first blank line. There should be a lot of lines starting with "Received:", these are the ones I need to see. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 17:48:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A1F16A400 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason.m.moss@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B32413C46C for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:48:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason.m.moss@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so164861ugh for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:48:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sz3wHiZuOAqI3khAsZhpHzB7hhCA4F1ukQGV4u5ICUEo2gkjYLixEcl3iPB5zmwXJZW5biBq/tc51UJZcpza5ydVq0vJ0U3JJ8bqs/QBZsuyhbOCcIDduvgw6u/JFZPymQBkmX0pvuI7olKJqp9ZBQVM7KjOrvpsRAutij8HzMU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bn0j/eoQmipBODcULynYaAbWwwlbvRTD0ZSepJXtoq70t9CfLO3mTwSCGdF0UnwIRMLAoMInpNtz69T3ROrCUd0kKPEhqPrtRwNFr6otsObuOxESFpv5QuIAOV8cEfvNWRE6F6W2ftFrRO2VZEduN+wgWAwer6lVx4ZSrsz91jo= Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr573116ugg.1176311995248; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.73.12 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <80a487270704111019m6e1cac26vfe7b827e57663ddd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:19:54 -0400 From: "Jason Moss" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" In-Reply-To: <86y7kyudi2.fsf@dwp.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <86y7kyudi2.fsf@dwp.des.no> Cc: keith@kgparts.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:48:57 -0000 I'm on the same list and also multiple times tried to UNSUBSCRIBE and keep getting the same message. But still on the list! They started yesterday for the first time. All the emails are containing technical issues or subjects related to the tech field. So I'm sure someone from "freebsd.org" can find out what the deal is and remove the people/addresses that don't belong on there. Please advise! -jm On 4/11/07, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > keith@kgparts.com writes: > > Now my sister-in-law just called me saying she is on the same email lis= t > > and just got this last reply I sent out.... She also had over 100 and > > something emails from this list since yesterday. (Same time I must have > > been subscribed.) > > > > I also just tried the unsubscribe email as directed with "unsubscribe" = in > > the subject line... It did not work. Came back saying I am not on this > > list as a user. > > Because you aren't - somebody is forwarding list traffic to you, > possibly maliciously. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > --=20 jason moss vergo | design 215.805.8010 jason@vergodesign.com www.vergodesign.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 18:21:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBBC16A404 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8469513C4BC for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so171195ugh for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eoGPzrdtNhNZCfFi86fUUk3VuhS2dPOknb6v5FcKvA29fcemMBYIxce2tq/jrgPEQHafaN/zcm4sMzfylz3wD6r+x8RCA+I1D5KwjIljGBQ5AuBL/Al6/Q6J8Bip1138xQouQcMdrI4228U1c0hxzASukgIkp37ZfWgiz0ay8CI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hlZpjnomaWwODzNM0ayhRfWCTIr3587xX+DnJ1ZGI4McNPfMOnKO4Ad8zoKjbrZolTEXfXWapn3ENuxY9Zg//n6qQjb9E+f2kJ6+dkAHapeKCiPe7sfcSXWALEomEE/qbHkvzbICs/ntMqF4wD4aqa6Ferkp5+pCOkUo833m0kA= Received: by 10.82.116.15 with SMTP id o15mr1295265buc.1176315686029; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.123.111? ( [84.2.98.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id u9sm574956muf.2007.04.11.11.21.24; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <461D2797.90909@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:23:19 +0200 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <461D0614.2060709@gmail.com> <002401c77c57$7a46ae80$8601a8c0@jackslaptop> In-Reply-To: <002401c77c57$7a46ae80$8601a8c0@jackslaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:21:28 -0000 jzyjack wrote: > i don't know why i keep getting your mail. please stop > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:00 PM > Subject: rm --clear-directory /home/me/another_dir > > >> Is there a way to clear a directory with such a command (keeping the >> owner and permissions of the folder)? >> >> Yes there are the obvious ones: >> cd /home/me/another_dir && rm * >> rm /home/me/another_dir/* // if cant traverse here >> >> But something that doesn't rely on the shell. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Dude, did you write such a message to everyone? If not, then why namely to me? + If I were you, I'd forward all spam messages to someone you really hate :) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 18:23:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67B916A403 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA72B13C4C7 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:23:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BINj2u055182; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:23:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <461D27AC.2070508@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:23:40 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Moss References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <86y7kyudi2.fsf@dwp.des.no> <80a487270704111019m6e1cac26vfe7b827e57663ddd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <80a487270704111019m6e1cac26vfe7b827e57663ddd@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, keith@kgparts.com Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:23:52 -0000 Jason Moss wrote: > I'm on the same list and also multiple times tried to UNSUBSCRIBE and > keep getting the same message. But still on the list! Can you clarify, "I'm on the same list". Are you on a mailing list with "keith@kgparts.com", and his sister in law? What mailing list is it? > They started yesterday for the first time. All the emails are > containing technical issues or subjects related to the tech field. So > I'm sure someone from "freebsd.org" can find out what the deal is and > remove the people/addresses that don't belong on there. Only if real data can be collected, such as the question I asked above. We are possibly making headway, but so far there's not enough data to even diagnose the issue. Only symptoms and a few sparse clues. Kevin Kinsey -- My father was a God-fearing man, but he never missed a copy of the New York Times, either. -- E. B. White From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 18:37:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8745B16A40B for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason.m.moss@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A204713C487 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:37:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jason.m.moss@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so174067ugh for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:37:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TgEelaUTMCOcEibRfqiouX7BfjbCeVq3SNlHkU2mZ3OTmoFETdWyMCmMY2whovItYBGST+OE59tQNSrn/WX7nXcgWAfxrI8KUnlMiWEwdmvrQX2oWjQLyvxiRPp329Ebn2Jppvuw9dRRBOYKBlLo2b485hI5LsRBHOiqXP6voaM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f17rxvkw3odydFaM2ncDoFbg7kInHB+dvaXYJJoAHta2A11PAO3Dat6cXktvPEGINox0M9srf+IPbfaBbc+zZ4il3cshV8nU6XtTCpxkDbg/Bel3S7WJpbDPHQnhDfKgn9KdjhZoTVgKuKzuKMMU9bkDaRX2XFyk6uMRrZRMsXY= Received: by 10.67.93.6 with SMTP id v6mr614176ugl.1176316630352; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.73.12 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <80a487270704111137i526c43c7gf60d3674383d321b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:37:10 -0400 From: "Jason Moss" To: "Kevin Kinsey" In-Reply-To: <461D27AC.2070508@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <86y7kyudi2.fsf@dwp.des.no> <80a487270704111019m6e1cac26vfe7b827e57663ddd@mail.gmail.com> <461D27AC.2070508@daleco.biz> Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, keith@kgparts.com Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:37:12 -0000 No, I'm on some sort of chat list regarding "freebsd.org". ---- On 4/11/07, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Jason Moss wrote: > > I'm on the same list and also multiple times tried to UNSUBSCRIBE and > > keep getting the same message. But still on the list! > > Can you clarify, "I'm on the same list". Are you on a mailing > list with "keith@kgparts.com", and his sister in law? > > What mailing list is it? > > > They started yesterday for the first time. All the emails are > > containing technical issues or subjects related to the tech field. So > > I'm sure someone from "freebsd.org" can find out what the deal is and > > remove the people/addresses that don't belong on there. > > Only if real data can be collected, such as the question I asked > above. We are possibly making headway, but so far there's not > enough data to even diagnose the issue. Only symptoms and > a few sparse clues. > > Kevin Kinsey > -- > My father was a God-fearing man, but he never > missed a copy of the New York Times, either. > -- E. B. White > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 18:41:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63FF16A40B for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:41:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from webmail1.abac.com (webmail1.abac.com [216.55.191.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7B313C4AD for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:41:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from webmail.kgparts.com (localhost.abac.com [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.abac.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3BIeqsr026592; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@kgparts.com) Received: from 70.106.82.159 (SquirrelMail authenticated user keith@kgparts.com); by webmail.kgparts.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1696.70.106.82.159.1176316852.squirrel@70.106.82.159> In-Reply-To: <461D27AC.2070508@daleco.biz> References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <86y7kyudi2.fsf@dwp.des.no> <80a487270704111019m6e1cac26vfe7b827e57663ddd@mail.gmail.com> <461D27AC.2070508@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: keith@kgparts.com To: "Kevin Kinsey" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.648 (NO_REAL_NAME,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:41:05 -0000 The "list" we are all referring to is this "frebsd email list" that we keep replying to. We have no idea how we were subscribed. My sister-in-law and I both belong to a certain other forum where we both have the email addresses registered to that are being effected. This is the only common other places (besides this freebsd) both of our email addresses are together. She hardly ever emails me and she is not in my address book. My subscription to this "group, list, whatever it is called" started one day before her. Her email address is linked to Myspace, but my email from myspace is registered under the FWD address of "sales@..." and the emails form this list are directed to keith@... If there is ONE person working on this that I need to send the header info to off the "list/group" whatever.. please let me know. > Jason Moss wrote: >> I'm on the same list and also multiple times tried to UNSUBSCRIBE and >> keep getting the same message. But still on the list! > > Can you clarify, "I'm on the same list". Are you on a mailing > list with "keith@kgparts.com", and his sister in law? > > What mailing list is it? > >> They started yesterday for the first time. All the emails are >> containing technical issues or subjects related to the tech field. So >> I'm sure someone from "freebsd.org" can find out what the deal is and >> remove the people/addresses that don't belong on there. > > Only if real data can be collected, such as the question I asked > above. We are possibly making headway, but so far there's not > enough data to even diagnose the issue. Only symptoms and > a few sparse clues. > > Kevin Kinsey > -- > My father was a God-fearing man, but he never > missed a copy of the New York Times, either. > -- E. B. White > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 18:44:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07B916A401 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from mtsnet.ru (mts3.mtsnet.ru [213.87.0.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202B013C45E for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from breath@unix.net) Received: from [84.17.224.22] (HELO breathpoint.home) by mtsnet.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with SMTP id 564394; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:44:26 +0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:36:47 +0400 From: Yuri Grebenkin To: Kevin Kinsey Message-Id: <20070411223647.641d8732.breath@unix.net> In-Reply-To: <461D0FCC.4020900@daleco.biz> References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <461D0FCC.4020900@daleco.biz> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.0 (GTK+ 2.6.9; i386-portbld-freebsd6.0) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:44:35 -0000 On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:41:48 -0500 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > keith@kgparts.com wrote: > > Now my sister-in-law just called me saying she is on the same email list > > and just got this last reply I sent out.... She also had over 100 and > > something emails from this list since yesterday. (Same time I must have > > been subscribed.) > > That's probably the best clue so far; it wouldn't be hard for some > err, jokester, to falsify a mail or use the mailman interface to > subscribe a list address somewhere else to a list here, would it? > He could simply be a list subscriber and sign up via the web interface > and then reply to the confirmation mail that was sent to his list? > I guess I need to go back and look at the Mailman interface. Barring > that, some monkey business with mail(1) and the right command switches > could produce a similar effect. > > Keith might allow us to know what list he and he relative are on, > as well --- if this (above) is the case, it might be possible to, > at the very least, get <> unsubscribed. > > Kevin Kinsey Another mail header from Keith below. The headers seem like someone simply resend messages from SMTP with no control by substituting headers (or even by simple forwarding service). Notable things in the header: Received: from smtp-gw4.mailanyone.net (smtp-gwalt4.mailanyone.net [69.31.1.237]) --- One address, many emails from it (maybe all?) mailanyone.net is part of FuseMail X-FuseMail-Forward: 1 --- Evidence of forwarding? X-FuseMail-FwdBy: 170066 --- ID of someone/something? (same number in others) Why not to figure out what is this ID and tell to FuseMail support team? At least they'll close this thread. Return-Path: Received: from smtp-gw4.mailanyone.net (smtp-gwalt4.mailanyone.net [69.31.1.237]) by pro26.abac.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3BELOxw014616 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:21:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org) X-Original-To: hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:02:14 -0500 From: Craig Boston To: Alan Garfield Message-ID: <20070411140214.GA60020@nowhere> Mail-Followup-To: Craig Boston , Alan Garfield , takawata@jp.freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org References: <200704110951.l3B9p4hT024402@sana.init-main.com> <461CCB3D.1090402@fromorbit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <461CCB3D.1090402@fromorbit.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resources and ACPI X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-FuseMail-Forward: 1 X-FuseMail-FwdBy: 170066 X-Spam-Score: 0.001 (SPF_SOFTFAIL) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 19:17:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCA416A405 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:17:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3CE13C484 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:17:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A9B2090; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:17:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL,BIZ_TLD X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.6/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F362081; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:17:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7C49DA10AC; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:17:41 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Kevin Kinsey References: <200704111307.l3BD7RKp069142@pro26.abac.com> <86r6qrujwa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070411181800.0eb9afc1.breath@unix.net> <867isjug0f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <1279.70.106.82.159.1176304608.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <1043.70.106.82.159.1176305385.squirrel@70.106.82.159> <86y7kyudi2.fsf@dwp.des.no> <80a487270704111019m6e1cac26vfe7b827e57663ddd@mail.gmail.com> <461D27AC.2070508@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:17:41 +0200 Message-ID: <86d52azpnu.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: keith@kgparts.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Jason Moss Subject: Re: Erroneous delivery of list e-mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:17:51 -0000 Kevin Kinsey writes: > Only if real data can be collected, such as the question I asked > above. We are possibly making headway, but so far there's not > enough data to even diagnose the issue. Only symptoms and > a few sparse clues. On the contrary, there is plenty of hard data. Please let me handle this. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 13 18:10:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C9316A403; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E4413C46E; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DIAOrL076007; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:10:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <461FC78B.3070300@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:10:19 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2pre) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Claude Menski References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "chat@freebsd.org >> FreeBSD Chat" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:10:28 -0000 Claude Menski wrote: > Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? Because you can still use it if the "U" key is borked? :-D If this is a serious question, and I suppose it could be, it would be better to move this to "chat@freebsd.org". You have heard of "religious wars" and "flame wars", I suppose? This is fodder for such, but it's not as likely to happen here as, maybe, some Linux lists (which might be one possible answer to your question, but I don't know the Ubuntu community specifically, and as such don't want to malign them). I do think, however, that such material is OT for "questions@", although I note that my recollection of the list charter doesn't seem to be current, either. Several of the usual answers to "Linux and FreeBSD" are in the article that I just now am seeing referred to by Chuck Swiger. Finally, if you're simply trolling, please, please, begone wit ye and try someplace else? Kevin Kinsey -- Time and tide wait for no man. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 13 21:07:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EB216A403 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:07:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A215E13C44B for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so556303ugh for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:07:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hZeU+NvyU8mJOcGZ3mbrm5UO17RQnm4AbKDsrb43IAOqq9jjT9DuxNV5XhpC1wZK9gYLJE/Fmk+B/ryNisodgwZROg2SQEODWnnQhl4Ou9T4YdSy1VY0jGhwr8+G3Vn55R4WdWM5kXOCITt8QhxENgizX3NbtStEIy420Vsci0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mwDxT+5uQwdYsarxxTmCYVAWZLYLuMLZ9cFQDznsHsS0cRKlMUGKdbgFPbq86WMWUqlFIizRIjtDxAs30GRVsjLVe5mXHxZ0pb7H6EVrtUj4mkC3DoKDYVbp64kCnBzYI7l1OkH6WEE85E3fdR7RoRP3m4cqRfiLdZsnnk1X2Ik= Received: by 10.82.148.7 with SMTP id v7mr1272bud.1176498446743; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.175.1 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:07:26 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=" In-Reply-To: <86mz1ckqlc.fsf@dwp.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> <86mz1ckqlc.fsf@dwp.des.no> Cc: Claude Menski , "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:07:29 -0000 On 13/04/07, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > "Claude Menski" writes: > > Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? > > I like Ubuntu too. If you want a desktop OS that Just Works and > doesn't require a lot of time to configure and keep up-to-date, it's a > good choice. > > On the server side, however, I find that it is FreeBSD rather than > Linux which Just Works and lets you do excatly what you want without > any fuss. Although I last used gentoo, I would assume that ubuntu has similar features: An older board with an i810 graphics chip works much better for desktop[py|esque|ful|like] use, as linux support for this obsolete piece of trash is fuller and richer. Freebsd tends to work better in every other way, from my admittedly limited experience. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 13 21:14:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E0A16A407 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:14:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pde@rfc822.net) Received: from fembot3.rfc822.net (adsl-68-92-27-201.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net [68.92.27.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A4713C455 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:14:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pde@rfc822.net) Received: by fembot3.rfc822.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 9FBFF341BA; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:49:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:49:42 -0500 From: Pete Ehlke To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070413204942.GA26716@rfc822.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> <461FC78B.3070300@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <461FC78B.3070300@daleco.biz> X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: CPU fan clogged with chicken feathers. Avian flu virus? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:14:39 -0000 On Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 13:10:19 -0500, Kevin Kinsey wrote: >Claude Menski wrote: >>Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? > >Because you can still use it if the "U" key is borked? The answer to this question is, always has been, and always will be: http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html -Pete From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 14 00:06:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C14D16A400 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07F913C489 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:06:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.130.188] (port=46608 helo=smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HcVmX-0007em-2I for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:06:21 +0200 Received: from cp464173-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.214.242]:51127 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HcVmU-0005Zt-3D for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:06:18 +0200 From: Danny Pansters To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:06:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> <461FC78B.3070300@daleco.biz> <20070413204942.GA26716@rfc822.net> In-Reply-To: <20070413204942.GA26716@rfc822.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704140206.04367.danny@ricin.com> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:06:22 -0000 On Friday 13 April 2007 22:49:42 Pete Ehlke wrote: > On Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 13:10:19 -0500, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > >Claude Menski wrote: > >>Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? > > > >Because you can still use it if the "U" key is borked? > > The answer to this question is, always has been, and always will be: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html > > -Pete > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Just my EUR 0.02. Perhaps even informative... I got fed up with FreeBSD before. Serveral times. Always returned. Gentoo? Nice until it explodes in your face. And it takes as much time if not more to run a desktop compared to FreeBSD. [K]Ubuntu? I ran kubuntu. It can be great for you if you can stomach their KDE menu which I think is even worse than vanilla KDE. One nice thing is that things like Flash can be made to work easily. It's limited if you want to go beyond what's been considered interesting for the user. I can understand that but I may not be that user. Debian? Works out great but you're going to be using old packages or be tracking repos for them yourself. Perhaps then you might as well build from source whenever needed. Very reliable though. Arch? Really great, nice pkg build system but limited (source) package availability, much worse than FreeBSD. It's somewhat easier to make ABS "source packages" though but they seem to suffer from a lack of new developer/maintainer uptake. Or lack of management/QA structure maybe. Well thought out system though. One deciding factor for me was my TV card hardware. My own crap on FreeBSD was just working better whether bktr or saa (I wouldnt say pwc, havent used that much anyhow) than was v4l or v4l2 on various Linuxen. Of course if you need to have your peculiar device supported you're likely better off with Linux I'd wager arch or debain or gentoo may be easier to get a oddball device working than the *buntu's but never say never). v4l* are very convoluted and messy. I found it to be buggy and of generally worse performance on the same machine (probably because of piling layers of abstraction that have to be toned down again at a higher level). But yeah if I just want a *NIX desktop that does everything I'd use [k]ubuntu or another GUI based distro (knoppix or derivative, or other), or if I want to spend some more time and tune it (and then maybe clone the setups): Arch or Debian or Gentoo. Dan From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 14 03:33:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712EB16A403 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:33:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2BF13C458 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3E357vk027240; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <462044E1.8020406@highperformance.net> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:05:05 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Pansters References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> <461FC78B.3070300@daleco.biz> <20070413204942.GA26716@rfc822.net> <200704140206.04367.danny@ricin.com> In-Reply-To: <200704140206.04367.danny@ricin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:33:59 -0000 Danny Pansters wrote: > On Friday 13 April 2007 22:49:42 Pete Ehlke wrote: > >> On Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 13:10:19 -0500, Kevin Kinsey wrote: >> >>> Claude Menski wrote: >>> >>>> Why is freebsd better then ubuntu? >>>> >>> Because you can still use it if the "U" key is borked? >>> >> The answer to this question is, always has been, and always will be: >> >> http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html >> > Just my EUR 0.02. Perhaps even informative... > He obviously didn't read the link. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 14 16:50:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F80016A400 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA1A13C484 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk) Received: from [81.174.212.184] (helo=cloudynwuk) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Hckc5-0003tO-0E for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:56:33 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.446 [269.4.0/760]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:56:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:56:29 +0000 From: "Frank Mitchell" To: "freebsd-chat" Message-ID: <200704141535363203745@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 4, 104, 20 [en] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Seeking Monsieur Joliet X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:50:21 -0000 Some folks rubbish the Joliet CD File System because Microsoft use it. But can anybody identify an actual Monsieur Joliet who invented it? Presumably he exists somewhere. Was he in fact a Microsoft employee? Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 13/04/2007 20:04 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 14 21:16:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925B216A401 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557A413C455 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B815E2090; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:16:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330652087; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:16:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 105F450E8; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:16:12 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk References: <200704141535363203745@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:16:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200704141535363203745@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> (Frank Mitchell's message of "Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:56:29 +0000") Message-ID: <86odlqy7vo.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat Subject: Re: Seeking Monsieur Joliet X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:16:16 -0000 "Frank Mitchell" writes: > Some folks rubbish the Joliet CD File System because Microsoft use > it. But can anybody identify an actual Monsieur Joliet who invented > it? Presumably he exists somewhere. Was he in fact a Microsoft > employee? No, it's named for Joliet, Illinois. It originated in Windows 95 which was at the time codenamed Chicago. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 14 23:21:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519C116A401 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A9213C458 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.107]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JGI001BAGVSZ6B0@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.148]) by pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JGI00GBNGVRO1K0@pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from soralx.cydem.org ([24.87.27.3]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JGI00AJAGVRYXT2@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:21:28 -0700 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: <200704141535363203745@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <20070414162128.435e4bf0@soralx.cydem.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200704141535363203745@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Cc: mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk Subject: Re: Seeking Monsieur Joliet X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:21:28 -0000 > Some folks rubbish the Joliet CD File System because Microsoft use In addition (or perhaps as a consequence) Joliet really screws up file permissions, flags, UID/GID. [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 14 23:34:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AD716A400 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C1713C458 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B556D2090; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:34:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: 0.0/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on tim.des.no Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D802087; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:34:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7E79E5077; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:34:19 +0200 (CEST) From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: soralx@cydem.org References: <200704141535363203745@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <20070414162128.435e4bf0@soralx.cydem.org> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:34:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20070414162128.435e4bf0@soralx.cydem.org> (soralx@cydem.org's message of "Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:21:28 -0700") Message-ID: <86d526r0n8.fsf@dwp.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk Subject: Re: Seeking Monsieur Joliet X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:34:23 -0000 soralx@cydem.org writes: > In addition (or perhaps as a consequence) Joliet really screws up file > permissions, flags, UID/GID. Joliet doesn't care about any of these, it's simply an extension of ISO 9660 which allows names of up to 64 UCS-2 characters. If you want permissions and ownership, use RockRidge (or both - they coexist well) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no