From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 14 08:56:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE93316A417; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:56:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=DyAQF7=PI=vvelox.net=v.velox@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B8713C442; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:56:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=DyAQF7=PI=vvelox.net=v.velox@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailscan10.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.10] helo=mailscan10.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout18.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Igynq-0001Es-QE; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:26:27 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Igynq-00049v-Ak; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:26:26 -0400 Received: from authsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.8]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 08SS1Y0010ASqTN0000000; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:26:26 -0400 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.8 X-EN-IMPSID: 08SS1Y0010ASqTN0000000 Received: from c-98-206-161-17.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([98.206.161.17] helo=vixen42) by authsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1Igynq-0008PJ-2m; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:26:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:26:29 -0500 From: "Zane C.B." To: "Kevin - Your.Org" Message-ID: <20071014032629.44e4cdf2@vixen42> In-Reply-To: <2C263E0F-1231-4F73-A820-1A3265B72078@your.org> References: <20071012170341.72b8b888.vlady@gbservices.biz> <470F9175.3020002@FreeBSD.org> <20071012183534.bacd989b.vlady@gbservices.biz> <470F9BA9.5080606@FreeBSD.org> <2C263E0F-1231-4F73-A820-1A3265B72078@your.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 0d1ca1697cdb7a831d4877828571b7ab:1570f0de6936c69fef9e164fffc541bc X-EN-AuthUser: vvelox2 Sender: "Zane C.B." X-EN-OrigIP: 98.206.161.17 X-EN-OrigHost: c-98-206-161-17.hsd1.il.comcast.net Cc: Vladimir Terziev , Kris Kennaway , Stefan Esser , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video memory as swap under FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:56:58 -0000 On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:54:23 -0500 "Kevin - Your.Org" wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Stefan Esser wrote: > > > Vladimir Terziev schrieb: > >> You're right, > >> > >> the swap, typically configured, is much more than the > >> amount of the video memory, but in fact the swap is just a > >> reserv, which ensures continuation of the normal operations on > >> the machine, at times of peak loads. > >> In our days the amount of RAM placed in the servers is > >> so much, that the swap, in fact, is rarely used at all and a > >> very small amount of it (several MB) is used. In that cases > >> having a very fast swap space in the Video RAM, in addition to > >> the disk swap, would be a good solution. > > > > If you have a video card with so much excess memory, that you > > can use it > > for swap, then I wonder whether the video card has not been much > > too expensive ;-) > > > > How about spending $25 for another Gigabyte of RAM (real RAM, > > not SWAP) > > instead? > > > > I'm not commenting on if this is a good idea or not either way, > but at least one vendor of servers that we've been buying from is > now including 128 or 256MB of video ram(not UMA, real video ram) > embedded on the motherboard now. > > I thought it was odd too, until I asked our sales rep. The 8MB ATI > chipset they used to use would have disqualified them from being > "Vista Capable". > > So, whether we want it or not, we're getting at least 128MB of > video memory on our servers now. I'd thought about trying to use it > for something, but decided it wasn't worth the effort. :) I still doubt this will become common as I don't see many servers going in with Vista on it. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 17 23:29:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8C616A469 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:29:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (mail.freeode.co.uk [87.127.24.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B3E13C45D for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:29:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Received: from turion.freeode.co.uk (turion.freeode.co.uk [10.10.10.7]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l9HNJ3qB049792 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:19:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd001@freeode.co.uk) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:19:03 +0100 From: John Murphy To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071018001903.53e6ac17@turion.freeode.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Help me find a Vista 'security' article. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:29:30 -0000 Several months ago I read an article which I think was by a FreeBSD committer. It was in his/her blog, or linked from it, and described the security in Vista as putting the onus on the user, rather than being secure in itself. There was also an interesting article on successful writing, if I recall correctly. I've searched for it with no luck and looked through every blog linked from http://planet.freebsdish.org/ where I think I originally found it. Ring any bells? -- Thanks, John. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 19 20:31:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0A016A469; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A642D13C46E; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <4719142E.6030407@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:31:42 +0300 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Streaming video from BSDCon-tr X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:31:45 -0000 Some of you may be interested in watching streaming video from the "First Turkish Conference on BSD Systems" (BSDConTR'07; http://www.bsdcontr.org), which will be continuing tomorrow (today's sessions were in Turkish, but tomorrow a group of foreigners will be giving our best impressions of English). The video will be online here: mms://mediasrv.ulakbim.gov.tr/bsdcontr and the schedule can be found here: http://www.bsdcontr.org/talks.php?lang=en In the morning are Marc Ballmer from OpenBSD on "Using external timesources and time dissemination using NTP" (which will be held at an indeterminate time to be disseminated later) and Machtelt Garrels at 10:30+${delta} reporting on the "Status of the BSD Certification". From the FreeBSD project we have Diomidis Spinellis discussing "Global Software Development in the FreeBSD Project" at 12:00, myself on "Introducing FreeBSD 7.0" at 14:15 and Pawel Jakub Dawidek telling us about "ZFS - Revolutionary file system now in FreeBSD" at 15:45. Times are in EEST which appears to be UTC+3. There is discussion that the morning session will start late, so don't be surprised if the afternoon sessions also do not start on schedule. Reporting from sunny Istanbul, Kris From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 19 23:30:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743E916A46B for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:30:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E460F13C469 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from jayton.plus.com ([84.92.156.191] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ij12i-0003Wi-Bs; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:14:12 +0100 Message-ID: <47193A31.7070708@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:13:53 +0100 From: Jayton Garnett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zafer Aydogan References: <1191772643.1644.49.camel@viola.izb.knu.ac.kr> <274190120710071340x6775012ar15f9d4c0c254d2a3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <274190120710071340x6775012ar15f9d4c0c254d2a3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: bh@izb.knu.ac.kr, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ..just like always off topic X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:30:11 -0000 Zafer Aydogan wrote: > 2007/10/7, Byung-Hee HWANG : > >> ..First of all, I am not native English guy, >> ..so always I'm very sorry for poor English. >> >> There are so many people here in FreeBSD mailing. And many people are >> professional about FreeBSD, I think. I also use FreeBSD as main desktop. >> But I have no such good knowledge for FreeBSD. I just use -RELEASE >> branch every time. So pkg_add/pkg_delete is everything what I know. >> >> >From now on, I am thinking about to do good with FreeBSD in real life. I >> am now a biology student of a small university, as graduate course. But >> there is no FreeBSD's role in my work. All work is performed by >> MS-Windows.. My FreeBSD box is just as good as dummy. It's sad story. >> What can I do for my work with FreeBSD? I'm really want to do my work >> with FreeBSD.. word-processing, printing, statistics, ... >> >> Could you please give me some advice..? I'm tired now, however, I'm >> willing to listen to any comments.. any complain.. any thing.. for >> advance.. >> >> Sincerely, >> > > If you want to use FreeBSD for your work, you should first find out > what tasks your work > requires and then try to accomplish them on FreeBSD. > For example, for your word processing work OpenOffice or Abiword would > be suitable. > > Cheers, Zafer. > > >> -- >> Byung-Hee HWANG >> >> The more complex the mind, the greater the need for the simplicity of >> play. >> -- Kirk, "Shore Leave", stardate 3025.8 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Yes I agree with Zafer, list what you will do with your workstation and from there you can build a software list by either asking (as you have) or using the ports page. Using keywords you can find a vast number of applications for most day-to-day tasks and even those once in a blue moon tasks. Just give the ports page ( http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ ) a search :) Cheers, Jayton From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 20 10:21:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B8016A41A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from web57011.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57011.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CB6B13C46B for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68833 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2007 09:53:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5eZlzH1iI8876RixAaFIg1atk0ADHK3EF8u7l6OfmihosoifzXW0Gx7BRCqX+lntjG737hSoP6H9hCCzhxc8IbfGeogJlnKUUKHR42yK5IzAeXXLPEnqoUtqR0Ssiu3JtXn9sk6P8Ov2jyW7aUWp7L9qtarjVTHFtwVk4VA2e5g=; X-YMail-OSG: AkY_1icVM1lC3kvBj11WkE.QiWoFjQW51CAz40gCIP217yVv8bhMsV1IzYTvAfYDdkNdofaKjpoFhCvh2.0FiSja44BTJjgFs1QjsNmw5jW6aJzThfQoeRc760pQepBap1O1yH0U7njU_AA- Received: from [165.21.154.17] by web57011.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:53:20 PDT Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:53:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: chat@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <4719142E.6030407@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <928115.67641.qm@web57011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Streaming video from BSDCon-tr X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:21:25 -0000 Hi Thanks for the post. I'm very much interested in Saturday talks. Is it possible to download these videos so that I can watch at a time convenient to me? Best Regards Unga --- Kris Kennaway wrote: > Some of you may be interested in watching streaming > video from the > "First Turkish Conference on BSD Systems" > (BSDConTR'07; > http://www.bsdcontr.org), which will be continuing > tomorrow (today's > sessions were in Turkish, but tomorrow a group of > foreigners will be > giving our best impressions of English). > > The video will be online here: > > mms://mediasrv.ulakbim.gov.tr/bsdcontr > > and the schedule can be found here: > > http://www.bsdcontr.org/talks.php?lang=en > > In the morning are Marc Ballmer from OpenBSD on > "Using external > timesources and time dissemination using NTP" (which > will be held at an > indeterminate time to be disseminated later) and > Machtelt Garrels at > 10:30+${delta} reporting on the "Status of the BSD > Certification". > > From the FreeBSD project we have Diomidis Spinellis > discussing "Global > Software Development in the FreeBSD Project" at > 12:00, myself on > "Introducing FreeBSD 7.0" at 14:15 and Pawel Jakub > Dawidek telling us > about "ZFS - Revolutionary file system now in > FreeBSD" at 15:45. > > Times are in EEST which appears to be UTC+3. There > is discussion that > the morning session will start late, so don't be > surprised if the > afternoon sessions also do not start on schedule. > > Reporting from sunny Istanbul, > Kris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com