From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 4 20:40:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7DF16A418 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAEB13C49D for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:40:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so986710nfb for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:40:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uVbPqEqNMsg0m0XcDl7NWTN7GnoydG77vT8erO7F9As=; b=cQp0Ti+RzAhEpalSFoDoedu5h15KIEjpSejEHZ3zDumeNhsUR8uFOLBVgxavpyfIYpcvgLwfMbd3siQ5p9S28JJLi3AXvvk2eEqk9mp6LjJJljmlRI1DvMzfIwkK5r+4UT8aLdW+7rHIdRDZfiWVAPWjk0HQKRn+/EH+0L5xd4c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=c0Bvt2e9o5aHHcF5aNA+F1FT7aqyTwUtnlsAGyw0uFCRV7T7Y8Vnnr+7nMPbZqVc94ch34czoK8qKyNJI0KZLATespatY+GQqBHvEolhxKypJY0kxYz/BIv3jxbj9jdhJSvbC34hvx7kLKxJ5NYA8NDI3z5rdvpI+4BBeb3Y7UQ= Received: by 10.86.97.7 with SMTP id u7mr2775696fgb.1194207063219; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.1? ( [78.92.53.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c28sm10596206fka.2007.11.04.12.11.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:11:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <472E2737.1020509@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:10:31 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071009 MultiZilla/1.8.3.3a SeaMonkey/1.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:40:37 -0000 What does it take to transition to the international standard for representing times? http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 4 21:53:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B7316A475 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292EE13C494 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deeptech71@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so996985nfb for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:53:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ie9gy8gJZlxIt5EJlfg8Gvg1Q/fnCK6/VHQgToJmx6M=; b=XkKw2gQdjVUBinEzeGXPgkWFyPYbp88U6+rWXk36jcj7LEieeuTesEyclL/0WLByndU5D3DKCfQBj1uOzo7GGADlDgVcEmMmdTkx/q7MnWc29qYYw5MXW7dObPhxIWUXD3X0g7t+bBD+d0ltUF7jb/f8FXkwXOtAgMz8pWHXHTo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f046pg0e+lS4GPTkBC0PzK0Lf6ATPMYJ6oeOGyopEYY0OCxtJ2DDMufUU/ly+Akq1lJLojIURTeWf18M2BusF0WMvU2HPlMefw/5euWDTbp7evUrhkQ35Z+Q/2mPufgjfrGwnQ26GGEYMxgwz/lbkzzxTNTlmkSkcGCuyhpR8tg= Received: by 10.86.65.11 with SMTP id n11mr2844314fga.1194213197454; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.123.1? ( [78.92.59.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm10736178fks.2007.11.04.13.53.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:53:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <472E3F27.4010007@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:52:39 +0100 From: deeptech71@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071009 MultiZilla/1.8.3.3a SeaMonkey/1.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <472E2737.1020509@gmail.com> <200711041506.53690.josh@tcbug.org> In-Reply-To: <200711041506.53690.josh@tcbug.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:53:27 -0000 Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Sunday 04 November 2007 14:10:31 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: >> What does it take to transition to the international standard for >> representing times? >> >> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html > > alias date to date +%Y-%m-%d I suppose. > > In reality how difficult it is for you to transition to using the > international standard for representing times depends on how much software > you have that you need to migrate to it and how difficult interoperability > will be with systems you don't control. > If UNIX, BSDs, Sun, Apple, Microsoft, etc. all agreed to represent times using the standard, and rewrite all config files to use that notation, whatsoever... ? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 4 23:08:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD3B16A480 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from conn-smtp.mc.mpls.visi.com (conn.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D3613C480 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:08:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from mail.tcbug.org (mail.tcbug.org [208.42.70.163]) by conn-smtp.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F58D78D4; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:06:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from v-208-42-70-172.mn.visi.com (v-208-42-70-172.mn.visi.com [208.42.70.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.tcbug.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533FC10AA82D; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:06:48 -0600 (CST) From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 15:06:53 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <472E2737.1020509@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <472E2737.1020509@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711041506.53690.josh@tcbug.org> Cc: Subject: Re: YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:08:21 -0000 On Sunday 04 November 2007 14:10:31 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > What does it take to transition to the international standard for > representing times? > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html alias date to date +%Y-%m-%d I suppose. In reality how difficult it is for you to transition to using the international standard for representing times depends on how much software you have that you need to migrate to it and how difficult interoperability will be with systems you don't control. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel PGP: 8A48 EF36 5E9F 4EDA 5A8C 11B4 26F9 01F1 27AF AECB From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 5 01:39:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CFF16A417 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 01:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from conn-smtp.mc.mpls.visi.com (conn.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9957313C4B7 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 01:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from mail.tcbug.org (mail.tcbug.org [208.42.70.163]) by conn-smtp.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DBD78BB; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:38:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from build64.tcbug.org (unknown [208.42.70.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.tcbug.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A06410AA8A3; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:38:48 -0600 (CST) From: Josh Paetzel To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:38:49 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <472E2737.1020509@gmail.com> <200711041506.53690.josh@tcbug.org> <472E3F27.4010007@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <472E3F27.4010007@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1282820.5SHMkWvfMH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200711041938.53391.josh@tcbug.org> Cc: Subject: Re: YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:39:08 -0000 --nextPart1282820.5SHMkWvfMH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 04 November 2007 03:52:39 pm deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Josh Paetzel wrote: > > On Sunday 04 November 2007 14:10:31 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > >> What does it take to transition to the international standard for > >> representing times? > >> > >> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html > > > > alias date to date +%Y-%m-%d I suppose. > > > > In reality how difficult it is for you to transition to using the > > international standard for representing times depends on how much > > software you have that you need to migrate to it and how difficult > > interoperability will be with systems you don't control. > > If UNIX, BSDs, Sun, Apple, Microsoft, etc. all agreed to represent times > using the standard, and rewrite all config files to use that notation, > whatsoever... ? Don't hold your breath for that to happen... =2D-=20 Thanks, Josh Paetzel PGP: 8A48 EF36 5E9F 4EDA 5A8C 11B4 26F9 01F1 27AF AECB --nextPart1282820.5SHMkWvfMH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHLnQtJvkB8SevrssRAuIaAKCYXW3E2gtC7/FrG9eqBS6TGa7mbgCcCfqp p+ALOyRT9OG92MXgKzPYqOQ= =UZEm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1282820.5SHMkWvfMH-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 5 12:31:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCC616A419 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xride@x12.dk) Received: from cicero-fbr1.cybercity.dk (cicero-fbr1.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B4013C4A6 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:31:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xride@x12.dk) Received: from cicero3.cybercity.dk (cicero3.cybercity.dk [212.242.43.248]) by cicero-fbr1.cybercity.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A183D26E7 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:45:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from beacon.x12.dk (0x5550f21e.adsl.cybercity.dk [85.80.242.30]) by cicero3.cybercity.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E31263179; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:45:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beacon.x12.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC53628417; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:45:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:44:46 +0100 From: Soeren Straarup To: deeptech71@gmail.com Message-ID: <20071105124446.5f5c7bd1@x12.dk> In-Reply-To: <472E2737.1020509@gmail.com> References: <472E2737.1020509@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:31:44 -0000 On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:10:31 +0100 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > What does it take to transition to the international standard for > representing times? > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html I tend to use "date '+%Y%m%d%H%M%S'" When i have to give files/dirs a date, cause then i can just do 'ls' and they will show up in date order. /Soeren -- Soeren Straarup | aka OZ2DAK aka Xride FreeBSD committer | FreeBSD since 2.2.6-R If a program is not working right, then send a patch From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 5 21:13:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1615A16A469 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA5313C4A8 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA5KmXi6067420; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:48:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id r3cwi7TIsQH6; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:48:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA5KmNIF067416; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:48:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <472F8191.80704@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:48:17 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: deeptech71@gmail.com References: <472E2737.1020509@gmail.com> <200711041506.53690.josh@tcbug.org> <472E3F27.4010007@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <472E3F27.4010007@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:13:22 -0000 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > Josh Paetzel wrote: >> On Sunday 04 November 2007 14:10:31 deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: >>> What does it take to transition to the international standard for >>> representing times? >>> >>> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html >> >> alias date to date +%Y-%m-%d I suppose. >> >> In reality how difficult it is for you to transition to using the >> international standard for representing times depends on how much >> software you have that you need to migrate to it and how difficult >> interoperability will be with systems you don't control. >> > > If UNIX, BSDs, Sun, Apple, Microsoft, etc. all agreed to represent times > using the standard, and rewrite all config files to use that notation, > whatsoever... ? "What's a 'config file', which department thought that one up, and what is marketing doing to get ready for its release? And, are you actually discussing this before we get a patent?" --- attributed to Steve Ballmer, November 2007 ;-) Kevin Kinsey -- The pollution's at that awkward stage. Too thick to navigate and too thin to cultivate. -- Doug Sneyd From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 7 09:18:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A08116A41A for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:18:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: from izb.knu.ac.kr (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:c0::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8E913C4A7 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:18:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: by draba.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix, from userid 59) id 860D43EA5; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:18:17 +0900 (KST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on draba.izb.knu.ac.kr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-19.8 required=15.1 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Comment: DKIM? See http://www.google.com/search?btnI&q=RFC+4871 Received: from izb.knu.ac.kr (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [127.0.0.1]) by draba.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2582F3EA3; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:18:14 +0900 (KST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=izb.knu.ac.kr; h=subject: from:reply-to:to:cc:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; q=dns/txt; s=s1024; bh=1iGcZfX2IdX/EV lW2wRE9BZ5cFc=; b=cqOu55fR/CKZcNfCTEzPfrnqZH07c0fYAHT8VgiylBmd1H R8cTfTHHInMQy9sceKHhTZMvVQlYfbr57hI0kAjgV4w/5ab/cZL+zkTPDmm9Z6Vu 4YHkBYjStvYGoomDQnuoATbAm9s5DwZrox7RDqj08sHg2eFR41oanOOqLoxSE= Received: from setaria.izb.knu.ac.kr (setaria.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:c1::2]) by draba.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF743E94; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:18:13 +0900 (KST) Received: from viola.izb.knu.ac.kr (viola.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:c4::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bh.rfc4871@setaria.izb.knu.ac.kr) by setaria.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06151CCEE; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:18:13 +0900 (KST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:::1]) by viola.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482165E15; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:18:09 +0900 (KST) From: Byung-Hee HWANG To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: InZealBomb Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:18:07 +0900 Message-Id: <1194427087.1013.9.camel@viola.izb.knu.ac.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@kr.freebsd.org Subject: [OT] naming convention X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bh@izb.knu.ac.kr List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:18:21 -0000 Hi there, My LastName == "hwang" My Others == "byung-hee" (FirstName) (... there is no MiddleName in my FullName ...) IANA All Caps EX) "HWANG Byung-Hee" NCBI Rules: ordered by -> LastName, + Others EX) "Hwang, Byung-Hee" FreeBSD Rules: ordered by -> Others + LastName (it seems like Western Style) EX) "Byung-Hee Hwang" In the end, my name is made by following way: IANA + FreeBSD ===> "Byung-Hee HWANG" Any comments? And how do you make your name in the From entry? See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_name#Cultures_of_China.2C_Japan.2C_Korea_and_Vietnam Sincerely, -- She loved him because he was always fair. -- the Kay Adams's inside, "Chapter 28", page 392 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 7 12:02:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B6C16A41B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: from izb.knu.ac.kr (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:c0::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6575413C48D for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: by draba.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix, from userid 59) id A10C13EA5; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:02:20 +0900 (KST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on draba.izb.knu.ac.kr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-19.8 required=15.1 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Comment: DKIM? See http://www.google.com/search?btnI&q=RFC+4871 Received: from izb.knu.ac.kr (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [127.0.0.1]) by draba.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A753EA3; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:02:12 +0900 (KST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=izb.knu.ac.kr; h=subject: from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date: message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns/txt; s= s1024; bh=mDx7eHyht0152i0v9lDVxiHBGr8=; b=MEUgKZp0labORTWTgazu38 c0l7/7euhRVodifn+SgwXdF65pLPsUG+ws1fyeIlpXI/LQKE2vzsaDpAISeIfJC+ d974p9YKSkoXMwbLIpucDeqXX/qIrpLuUL9Xmk49k8dQpQgc+4RDPDGTZk+/w4Nm x55cvvNL5pimSS3QHelqc= Received: from setaria.izb.knu.ac.kr (setaria.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:c1::2]) by draba.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516EB3E94; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:02:12 +0900 (KST) Received: from viola.izb.knu.ac.kr (viola.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:c4::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bh.rfc4871@setaria.izb.knu.ac.kr) by setaria.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F6E1CCEE; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:02:09 +0900 (KST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:::1]) by viola.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17475E04; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:02:05 +0900 (KST) From: Byung-Hee HWANG To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1194427087.1013.9.camel@viola.izb.knu.ac.kr> References: <1194427087.1013.9.camel@viola.izb.knu.ac.kr> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: InZealBomb Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:01:59 +0900 Message-Id: <1194436919.3223.5.camel@viola.izb.knu.ac.kr> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@kr.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OT] naming convention X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bh@izb.knu.ac.kr List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:02:21 -0000 Ah sorry. Because Chinase, Japanese, Korean, and Vietnames cultures, the family name is placed before the given names, we can't call the family name as the last name [0]. So i reproduce before examples;; Subject: Each organization's naming convention: FN = family name ON = other names (given name or middle name or etc.) [1] IANA's Rules: naming order: followed by local convention other rules: FN ===> all capital letters EX) "LIN Ching-Hsia" (Origin: "Lin Ching-Hsia") [2] NCBI's Rules: naming order: FN first! other rules: FN, + ON EX) "Lin, Ching-Hsia" (Origin: "Lin Ching-Hsia") [3] FreeBSD's Rules: naming order: ON + FN (it seems like Western Style) EX) "Ching-Hsia Lin" (Origin: "Lin Ching-Hsia") How do you make your name in the From entry of EMail? Sincerely, [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_name#Cultures_of_China.2C_Japan.2C_Korea_and_Vietnam -- "OK. Then I have to kill him." -- Michael Corleone, "Chapter 11", page 146 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 8 23:40:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4248B16A417; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D0213C491; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8NeDkp080717; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:40:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id tYOkeU3P49kX; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:40:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8Ne34N080700; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:40:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <47339E4E.7080906@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:39:58 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Chang References: <0JR7007833LW9A50@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <8efc42630711081044j6d64d7e8o8457481f68c66b1b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8efc42630711081044j6d64d7e8o8457481f68c66b1b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Leonard Lilla , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: install X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:40:20 -0000 Simon Chang wrote: > > ...COMPLAINING... > > > For someone who speaks five languages and works in IT, he sure seems > rather obtuse. There are only two CDs, with one of them being "Disc > 1" and the other "Disc 2". If he can't follow simple directions I > suggest that he checks out Fedora Core, which at last count weighs in > at six (6) CDs!!! > > SC ZOMG!!!!!!! FreeBSD comes on CD's?????? Signed, Frustrated "when did sysinstall outgrow a floppy?" installer. :-D -- If I promised you the moon and the stars, would you believe it? -- Alan Parsons Project From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 9 22:46:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A0416A47E for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB25613C4D1 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA9Mk0ll099058; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:46:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id F-AZHIeLQlDz; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:45:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA9MjrcB099054; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:45:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4734E31C.1000000@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:45:48 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zbyslaw References: <0JR7007833LW9A50@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> <473492E7.9050005@cs.okstate.edu> <4734A6B9.1080102@dial.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4734A6B9.1080102@dial.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: install X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:46:13 -0000 Alex Zbyslaw wrote: > > I'm strongly in favour of 3.5 finely sliced (but not diced) penguins and > a relative angle of 23 degrees, but I don't expect many people to agree :-) > No, you mean 22.5 {which is halfway to 45}, and BLUE, @#$%#$! ;-) KDK -- Blame Saint Andreas -- it's all his fault.