From owner-freebsd-user-groups@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 04:44:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC8216A418 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from twickline@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A4C13C467 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from twickline@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so2054335rvb for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:44:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tArXcjpi/oWdmpyoa53rl16eO6d+U5Ai7tNuwsAFQxk=; b=eH1OltO7ME+x4oepAgZbuQ7NAgeuR3Pkdk5/oxq1hApfALNmw42AGeQ+6NNq+ilQ/jOAaQkaoYcM8/RK9SFvkImostPCcBSRvzRaYFAaKuLyNvabTQqYaqlHdtNPfxqUzKZK4jrFLhGy4hBsLU8cl4LS9ijw765HyDrnN+V+wg4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ulIMgxV2v/npxCWE3dc9PIkS/eLvSwjTC7fEUl0tcJlKQD8C7JnToCyK/2A/2XDKKggpQXJxBCiBD4jioMx+ugHeZbSUXwUMmInjM3FsGZxFggYcPrCcJnuRq9bKBBVTOwIfvCjXuJhe5IBAUfc5Suw03ka386wNyYv3tE497gM= Received: by 10.142.241.10 with SMTP id o10mr3426870wfh.1197348295755; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.98.3 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:44:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:44:55 -0500 From: "Tom Wickline" To: "Brett Glass" In-Reply-To: <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User Group Coordination List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:44:56 -0000 On Dec 10, 2007 11:41 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned > the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep > the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it > as a result. > > --Brett Glass > Wins is under a free licence, its LGPL and I'm almost 100% sure you have no idea why the licence was changed! Tom From owner-freebsd-user-groups@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 05:00:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416B116A41B; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:00:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248D913C458; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:00:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05322; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:41:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:41:24 -0700 To: "Tom Wickline" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.co m> References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Subject: Re: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User Group Coordination List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:00:32 -0000 It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it as a result. --Brett Glass At 10:59 AM 12/6/2007, Tom Wickline wrote: >Oh yea, were seeking contributors... if your interested in Wine on >FreeBSD and believe you can >help us out see : >http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/wine-review-is-currently-seeking.html From owner-freebsd-user-groups@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 10:10:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6747116A419 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E425613C468 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:10:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so1448963nfb for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:10:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=rzeAcE01rK0iwivCKKKInbmuLvOuQaeZUpbJGMVWztw=; b=vOxtOiVTde/7CxosZqI3jdOtVTpLABqCIytBfLolg6WXTJf+UXuuT6OWattcZ9m1Kyq/TmbWkByRGX3mtv6di+O+bA3ax3zlxfqkygXFIVka2PnskeNL+OZ4GC4v+XBy6Xsg18TpJuKWWaQF9aLVtbIMZ/EEAieS3ZDCK+yzHfk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=At89YjEU6lgCK9nAraJHRyroO6R0QWd7g58DpSnnA5PNGYl0EXj7iRuRvzyIMwW9S0zCOtckVFdS8wVQeke9PVl04fU9xbI9MOb/Wv+8ARO5MaAQRURVH9mLjmfvi4TEuFW+Cqm3LJ+qpf8d5aIwEb3Lj9IH1iEudYwjmWtF7pM= Received: by 10.82.186.5 with SMTP id j5mr1093633buf.1197366376376; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?127.0.0.1? ( [217.206.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j8sm1765199gvb.2007.12.11.01.46.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:46:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Evans To: Tom Wickline In-Reply-To: <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-elrZs9YLg0WhjE4onyxl" Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:46:13 +0000 Message-Id: <1197366373.1472.0.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Brett Glass , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User Group Coordination List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:10:20 -0000 --=-elrZs9YLg0WhjE4onyxl Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 23:44 -0500, Tom Wickline wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 11:41 PM, Brett Glass wrote: > > It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned > > the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep > > the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it > > as a result. > > > > --Brett Glass > > >=20 > Wins is under a free licence, its LGPL and I'm almost 100% sure you > have no idea why > the licence was changed! >=20 > Tom Depends upon your definition of free. --=-elrZs9YLg0WhjE4onyxl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHXlxglcRvFfyds/cRAkIuAKCu/1U/DxsXZ2exMsE03AFrotC1NgCgppLk MgVuBun6geoGUs6VA520tLQ= =oIo8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-elrZs9YLg0WhjE4onyxl-- From owner-freebsd-user-groups@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 15:39:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E0B16A418; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from braulio@solsoft.co.cr) Received: from wbm9.pair.net (wbm9.pair.net [66.39.3.87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA5413C442; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from braulio@solsoft.co.cr) Received: by wbm9.pair.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8A8C73BD7B; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 163.178.104.130 ([163.178.104.130]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user braulio@solsoft.co.cr) by webmail9.pair.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:08:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1481.163.178.104.130.1197385733.squirrel@webmail9.pair.com> In-Reply-To: <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:08:53 -0600 (CST) From: Braulio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Solano_Rojas?= To: "Brett Glass" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org, Tom Wickline , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User Group Coordination List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:39:27 -0000 On Mon, 10 de Diciembre de 2007, 10:41 pm, Brett Glass wrote: > It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned > the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep > the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it > as a result. You can find the story of what happened in the Wikipedia. There is still this: http://www.cedega.com/rewind/, if you like better the X11 license. You still have *freedom* of choice. Regardless of the current license of Wine they have merit for what they have done. Any open source developer regardless of his "Creed" has merit in fact. ;-) > At 10:59 AM 12/6/2007, Tom Wickline wrote: > >>Oh yea, were seeking contributors... if your interested in Wine on >>FreeBSD and believe you can >>help us out see : >>http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2007/12/wine-review-is-currently-seeking.html From owner-freebsd-user-groups@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 03:12:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD04716A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EB813C45B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 21751 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 02:45:58 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Dec 2007 02:45:58 -0000 Message-ID: <47609C43.6010304@chuckr.org> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:43:15 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071107 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Wickline References: <53e3a9930712060959t6f446534xee6ba49d043dd70a@mail.gmail.com> <200712110441.VAA05322@lariat.net> <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <53e3a9930712102044v768e794fq118e2fe3d6d2fa0d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Brett Glass , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-user-groups@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User Group Coordination List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:12:39 -0000 Tom Wickline wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 11:41 PM, Brett Glass wrote: >> It's worth noting that the WINE project, not long ago, abandoned >> the BSD license for the GPL despite urging from many sources to keep >> the code open and free for use by developers. We've stopped using it >> as a result. >> >> --Brett Glass >> > > Wins is under a free licence, its LGPL and I'm almost 100% sure you > have no idea why > the licence was changed! > Anyone who has sat in on company conferences discussing what changes would be forced because of GPL or LPGL knows that only the BSD is free, not thje GPL. LRPL is closer, but the folks who call GPL free are either lying or ignorant. They want to force you to do things their way, but they don't want you to be able to call that coercion. > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"