From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 21 05:39:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C403B16A419; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848FF13C467; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5099411FE6D8; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:23:08 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10045-08-5; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:23:08 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B8611FE6E6; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:18:01 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62EC3432A; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:18:00 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:16:55 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: jcw@highperformance.net Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, rwatson@freebsd.org Subject: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:39:15 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As Robert has stated in the thread I started last week, he's willing to lend a hand with getting the kenrel module *as part of* the kernel, but what does it take to get it to that point? I just downloaded Jason's initial port attempt, but it is almost a year old: Has anyone looked at the work he's done so far? Ignoring the client side for now, Jason, what would it take to get your work to the point where Robert could inject it into the core FreeBSD system, as opposed to an 'add on'? What would be involved in getting 1.5.x working? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlCrH4QvfyHIvDvMRAvAwAKCvGdjKqm49lB4QINELVPwp8PXD/QCeLay/ Z6jMMFNho5MAgsRdrk2khpA= =DybN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 21 05:54:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D54416A46D; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:54:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FB513C467; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:54:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0L5s4dp068571; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:54:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <47943383.4010602@highperformance.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:54:11 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, rwatson@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:54:07 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > As Robert has stated in the thread I started last week, he's willing to lend a > hand with getting the kenrel module *as part of* the kernel, but what does it > take to get it to that point? > > I just downloaded Jason's initial port attempt, but it is almost a year old: > > w00t! I contributed! I contributed! > Has anyone looked at the work he's done so far? Ignoring the client side for > now, Jason, what would it take to get your work to the point where Robert could > inject it into the core FreeBSD system, as opposed to an 'add on'? What would > be involved in getting 1.5.x working? I really don't have much to add to that discussion. I am no expert. That my port compiled and fetched tokens was pure luck. Sorry I can't be of more help. If you need a large commercial airplane designed up, I can get that for you in a hot second. :) Regards, Jason From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 21 10:42:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F73916A417 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6870913C45A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E151846DFA; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:42:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:42:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:42:05 -0000 On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > As Robert has stated in the thread I started last week, he's willing to lend > a hand with getting the kenrel module *as part of* the kernel, but what does > it take to get it to that point? > > I just downloaded Jason's initial port attempt, but it is almost a year old: > > > > Has anyone looked at the work he's done so far? Ignoring the client side > for now, Jason, what would it take to get your work to the point where > Robert could inject it into the core FreeBSD system, as opposed to an 'add > on'? What would be involved in getting 1.5.x working? I'm not sure there's a benefit to importing the OpenAFS server into the FreeBSD src tree, given that it's already well-maintained and fairly functional as a port. The main area of potential benefit is, in fact, the Arla client, which would then be able to track FreeBSD VFS changes, and offers a relatively static interface to the userland components that could continue to live in the port. After chatting with a few of the OpenAFS folks, the current concensus is that the OpenAFS client kernel parts are a lot more involved than the Arla ones, as much of the cache manager is implemented there, whereas with Arla it's just a user file system interface and so a lot less complex. So I think the short-term plan, if the Arla folks are willing and we can get a functional Arla module sync'd to 8-CURRENT, would be to get nnpfs into FreeBSD's src/sys. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 02:54:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C5E16A41B; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:54:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D0113C448; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:54:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B9711FDD2F; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:54:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45114-05; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:54:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DEE11FDCD3; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:54:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7533497D; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:54:26 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:53:11 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:54:23 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Monday, January 21, 2008 10:42:04 +0000 Robert Watson wrote: > I'm not sure there's a benefit to importing the OpenAFS server into the > FreeBSD src tree, given that it's already well-maintained and fairly > functional as a port. The main area of potential benefit is, in fact, the > Arla client, which would then be able to track FreeBSD VFS changes, and > offers a relatively static interface to the userland components that could > continue to live in the port. > > After chatting with a few of the OpenAFS folks, the current concensus is that > the OpenAFS client kernel parts are a lot more involved than the Arla ones, > as much of the cache manager is implemented there, whereas with Arla it's > just a user file system interface and so a lot less complex. Not arguing against it, but if OpenAFS puts the cache manager in the client, and Arla doesn't have it ... what do we lose going with Arla vs OpenAFS? > So I think the short-term plan, if the Arla folks are willing and we can get > a functional Arla module sync'd to 8-CURRENT, would be to get nnpfs into > FreeBSD's src/sys. What about 6 and 7? Its going to be, what, a year+ before 8.0 is released ... seems a long time to send people looking for this sort of thing over to OpenSolaris or Linux :( Is this something we're going to either be able to get into 6/7, or get a port for this to those versions? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlVqX4QvfyHIvDvMRAlghAKC5YW2cFBkL+6UlKb5lB8CdfJVmKQCgiEU9 XXPanqdi6qtd6D/irTCto9M= =M58m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 08:27:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D292B16A421 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamromsay@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE3413C4D3 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamromsay@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so2277852rvb.43 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:27:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=NckJwmzb+mNKTb0UJZ/nktIHw1/dJ0S8BK+kscKpXqs=; b=bte2aeG+UzSJU2AbWugITuenEzHbzl2qoCos9D5ja9avflgZDIj0TYL2X29v+pX1VcMwrZEvQlFtJZcglrPwN8bHcA6bu8wTUJyREaBErWJZHEiRYCLJfEzkWUowz5EgpRVADccmcnMg3iVeZyn74JHulM3oE2unKQQLqJXYQcA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=BnYOcgJkMDRb4n/SGymn6QXlE/EfFdJjgaZk0vyS3FwnIEIZzZrqvPL6Ts1RLYBK8ozp2Bl6oaN+BmPbePBJjgHbluG88ucc7EkR727IQwawc8YY8gweECJI7gp8C53VW5bskd4MBcdAvpn/IPyaxGpMP+DylNCVkJ8aj4EPdz8= Received: by 10.141.20.7 with SMTP id x7mr5186838rvi.61.1200990431835; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.170.11 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:27:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e338f8f0801220027p50097adavd8a52fc4c0c6ff14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:27:11 +0200 From: "william romsay" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Hershey Felder, Wholesale Shopping For Musical Instruments X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:27:13 -0000 Hershey Felder, Wholesale Shopping For Musical Instruments Music and musical instruments are instrumental for anyone to get stimulated and refreshed leading to a contempt feeling. 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From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 09:26:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731CC16A41B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF9213C447 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF8D46DF5; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:26:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:26:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:26:26 -0000 On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> I'm not sure there's a benefit to importing the OpenAFS server into the >> FreeBSD src tree, given that it's already well-maintained and fairly >> functional as a port. The main area of potential benefit is, in fact, the >> Arla client, which would then be able to track FreeBSD VFS changes, and >> offers a relatively static interface to the userland components that could >> continue to live in the port. >> >> After chatting with a few of the OpenAFS folks, the current concensus is >> that the OpenAFS client kernel parts are a lot more involved than the Arla >> ones, as much of the cache manager is implemented there, whereas with Arla >> it's just a user file system interface and so a lot less complex. > > Not arguing against it, but if OpenAFS puts the cache manager in the client, > and Arla doesn't have it ... what do we lose going with Arla vs OpenAFS? Sorry, maybe I was unclear -- the Arla model, similar to Coda, is that you have a small kernel module that is basically a user file system service, and a complex user process that manages shipping objects around the distributed file system, then exposes them using the kernel module. This user process is referred to irregularly as the "cache manager" because its job is really to do all this Coda/AFS stuff and then plop the results down on the disk cache and hand them off to the kernel module, which will make them look like a file system hung off /coda or /afs. I'm not really familiar with OpenAFS, but my second-hand understanding is that a lot more of that cache management logic goes in the kernel module and much less into a user daemon (if any). So it's not that OpenAFS puts it in the client, it's that it puts it in the kernel. Among other things, this means that the Arla/Coda kernel modules are relatively static over time, since they offer a fairly fixed interface to the user daemon where the real work happens, but the OpenAFS module changes a lot. >> So I think the short-term plan, if the Arla folks are willing and we can >> get a functional Arla module sync'd to 8-CURRENT, would be to get nnpfs >> into FreeBSD's src/sys. > > What about 6 and 7? Its going to be, what, a year+ before 8.0 is released > ... seems a long time to send people looking for this sort of thing over to > OpenSolaris or Linux :( Is this something we're going to either be able to > get into 6/7, or get a port for this to those versions? Things go into HEAD first, and 7-STABLE looks a lot like HEAD right now so if it's updated for HEAD it will basically be updated for 7-STABLE. The sooner we get it into HEAD, the sooner it can go into 7-STABLE, and the more easily. But the key concern here is trying to stop the perpetual falling behind that nnpfs suffers from due to the pace of FreeBSD VFS development. The theory is that if we get it into HEAD, perhaps it will stop falling behind because, rather than becoming a maze of ifdefs and requiring lots of hacking to update to a multiple-year-old release, it gets updated as part of the great VFS rush and requires only minor tweaking when someone notices that something has gone wrong. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 10:51:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87A516A418; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:51:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from proxy2.bredband.net (proxy2.bredband.net [195.54.101.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5484D13C45A; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:51:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 47285ABF01B5155E; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:30:26 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArgeADtUlUdV4VYeRmdsb2JhbAAIkAgBAQE3m3k Received: from c-1e56e155.1521-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [10.0.1.3]) ([85.225.86.30]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 22 Jan 2008 11:30:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:30:24 +0100 From: Palle Girgensohn To: Robert Watson , "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:51:22 -0000 This discussion is for the *client* part only, right? Is the server part userland-only and hence easier to port, or is it more complicated to get the server running on FreeBSD. The only server software out there in decent shape is OpenAFS, I guess? Milko (arla's companion), it seems, hasn't left alpha stage. So for a FreeBSD only setup, arla client and OpenAFS server is the most probable solution? Palle From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 11:21:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533AD16A469 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCCB13C458 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D048046C68; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:21:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:21:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Palle Girgensohn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080122111839.O65035@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:21:41 -0000 On Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Palle Girgensohn wrote: > This discussion is for the *client* part only, right? > > Is the server part userland-only and hence easier to port, or is it more > complicated to get the server running on FreeBSD. The only server software > out there in decent shape is OpenAFS, I guess? Milko (arla's companion), it > seems, hasn't left alpha stage. My understanding, and I've not investigated this personally, is that the OpenAFS server works fine on FreeBSD as-is. > So for a FreeBSD only setup, arla client and OpenAFS server is the most > probable solution? It sounds like this should already work for FreeBSD 5.x and 6.x, but not yet for 7.x/8.x. The viewpoint I'm arguing is that by getting nnpfs in the base FreeBSD source tree (and I've talked with tol@arla about this in the past), we get the Arla client running more sustainably on FreeBSD such that people running the latest release have access to it, and also FreeBSD developers who run especially premature releases :-). Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 23 03:07:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E9A16A418; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4C313C455; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:07:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.191]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9497911FE6D8; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60834-02-3; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1E111FDF7B; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C863446F; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:54 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:06:34 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <5A119F13D15018EE7361410B@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:07:55 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Tuesday, January 22, 2008 09:26:19 +0000 Robert Watson wrote: > Things go into HEAD first, and 7-STABLE looks a lot like HEAD right now so if > it's updated for HEAD it will basically be updated for 7-STABLE. The sooner > we get it into HEAD, the sooner it can go into 7-STABLE, and the more easily. > But the key concern here is trying to stop the perpetual falling behind that > nnpfs suffers from due to the pace of FreeBSD VFS development. The theory is > that if we get it into HEAD, perhaps it will stop falling behind because, > rather than becoming a maze of ifdefs and requiring lots of hacking to update > to a multiple-year-old release, it gets updated as part of the great VFS rush > and requires only minor tweaking when someone notices that something has gone > wrong. Agreed, and thank you for this ... I have no problem with using a port for 6.x, since 6.x shouldn't be a moving target, once its working, it should be fine ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlq874QvfyHIvDvMRAi1TAJ9XUXWyNy+DFM6W+7YJmv25TYh38wCgyoQ5 gh241ZD5sSigHW+eDAb2OPI= =Ol32 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 23 03:10:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E5816A418; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567C813C455; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.182]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BF211FDD1B; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:10 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.182]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89143-09; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:03 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5A211FDD30; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:09 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DBD35447; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:15 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:08:55 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Palle Girgensohn , Robert Watson Message-ID: <0C8C2EB538D5A4AA4E5A66D4@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:10:15 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Recommend checking out the arla mailing list (arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se) archives, where there have already been ports created for both openafs-server and arla that build fine on FreeBSD 6.x ... I haven't had a chance yet to do anything with it, beyond build, since there are so many docs to read ... my project for this coming weekend ... - --On Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:30:24 +0100 Palle Girgensohn wrote: > This discussion is for the *client* part only, right? > > Is the server part userland-only and hence easier to port, or is it more > complicated to get the server running on FreeBSD. The only server software > out there in decent shape is OpenAFS, I guess? Milko (arla's companion), it > seems, hasn't left alpha stage. > > So for a FreeBSD only setup, arla client and OpenAFS server is the most > probable solution? > > Palle - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlq/H4QvfyHIvDvMRAgetAJsHJxgN4zOuZHcQD6rfUn0klgtYAQCg6E3z NPJ/KQiiJ1Qng6At39isoyg= =krMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 23 03:11:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D563116A419; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F89D13C4DB; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.191]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D02011FDD31; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:11:22 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 72279-05; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:11:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C12F11FDCD3; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:11:22 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF6E3456F; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:11:27 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:08 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Robert Watson , Palle Girgensohn Message-ID: <80A9EDC64E39266B81D851AD@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20080122111839.O65035@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> <20080122111839.O65035@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:11:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:21:40 +0000 Robert Watson wrote: > The viewpoint I'm arguing is that by getting nnpfs in the base > FreeBSD source tree (and I've talked with tol@arla about this in the past) I haven't looked too deeply at Arla yet ... I take it its BSD licensed, so that we can incorporate it? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlrAQ4QvfyHIvDvMRAsMZAKCwfIhUjwANkEO4TJvh9Cy+Eh6J5QCdHmeQ IqzaTfDchCfAyCpGeiwPwDM= =hmoD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 23 09:31:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229FC16A417; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E294913C4F0; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E00472A8; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:31:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <80A9EDC64E39266B81D851AD@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20080123092216.W42984@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> <20080122111839.O65035@fledge.watson.org> <80A9EDC64E39266B81D851AD@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net, Palle Girgensohn Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:29 -0000 On Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > - --On Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:21:40 +0000 Robert Watson > wrote: > >> The viewpoint I'm arguing is that by getting nnpfs in the base FreeBSD >> source tree (and I've talked with tol@arla about this in the past) > > I haven't looked too deeply at Arla yet ... I take it its BSD licensed, so > that we can incorporate it? Yes. In fact, pretty much everything associated with AFS is under a useful license. 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