From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 13 00:37:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D93916A41A; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:37:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C7A13C459; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (ppp121-45-39-232.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net [121.45.39.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0D0bLpC033825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:07:22 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:07:06 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <20080112145146.6f196ede.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <20080112135630.I36731@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: <20080112135630.I36731@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2359543.4VsVIOe17S"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -2.389 () AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= , Timo Schoeler , Robert Watson , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:37:35 -0000 --nextPart2359543.4VsVIOe17S Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Robert Watson wrote: > > Sorry, but (especially in this case) that is nonsense as it's > > primarily an excuse and disparages the work done there. > > There's another element in play here -- FreeBSD.org is a mailing > list-centric community driven by people who are very much part of the > e-mail world. For many newer computer users, e-mail is the old > world, and the new world is instant messaging and web forums. Many > developers I've talked to feel quite uncomfortable with the medium of > web forums, and therefore don't tend to use them. If our newer user > communities are forming around web forums (i.e., for PC-BSD), then we > do need to find some way to bridge the gap. A usenet<->forum bridge would be nice since news looks enough like email=20 for oldies to use :) Pitty the few I have seen are basically unmaintained :( (eg Papercut) Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper.... =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart2359543.4VsVIOe17S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHiV075ZPcIHs/zowRAnZ+AJ9dQgfECsTjlDg6m3amoZavjY9ogQCdEuJF 9E5ypEmLbJBc2xPjxQD1ihY= =26l6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2359543.4VsVIOe17S-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 13 04:06:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F195516A418; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: from eris.caustic.org (caustic.org [208.69.42.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DC713C448; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eris.caustic.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C34D4E19D; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from eris.caustic.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eris.caustic.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07718-10; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.13.22] (m208-49.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.208.49]) by eris.caustic.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196864E18E; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:50:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: johan beisser To: Daniel O'Connor In-Reply-To: <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:49:54 -0800 References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <20080112145146.6f196ede.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <20080112135630.I36731@fledge.watson.org> <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at caustic.org Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Timo Schoeler , Robert Watson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 04:06:57 -0000 On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > A usenet<->forum bridge would be nice since news looks enough like > email > for oldies to use :) > > Pitty the few I have seen are basically unmaintained :( > (eg Papercut) > > Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper.... Not too difficult. Quite a few forums provide RSS feeds. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 13 05:30:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E1E16A41A for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1D113C44B for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (ppp121-45-39-232.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net [121.45.39.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0D5Tgaj039364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:59:42 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: johan beisser Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:59:03 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2805827.oES6Vgjg9L"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200801131559.32933.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -2.383 () AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= , Timo Schoeler , Robert Watson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:30:04 -0000 --nextPart2805827.oES6Vgjg9L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, johan beisser wrote: > > Pitty the few I have seen are basically unmaintained :( > > (eg Papercut) > > > > Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper.... > > Not too difficult. Quite a few forums provide RSS feeds. That doesn't let you go both ways though, although just being able to=20 browse forums in a usenet like way would be much nicer.. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart2805827.oES6Vgjg9L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHiaG85ZPcIHs/zowRAknKAJ9wsuZJ7wbFTxnBd/OHx5uPzQc2oACggE/m /K8Okra8GWnDELvHGYOjKTc= =GECz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2805827.oES6Vgjg9L-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 13 06:00:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91C916A417; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: from eris.caustic.org (caustic.org [208.69.42.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8A613C468; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eris.caustic.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCD94E1A1; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from eris.caustic.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eris.caustic.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03894-02; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.13.22] (m208-49.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.208.49]) by eris.caustic.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D474E19F; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:01:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <372C564C-5A6F-4F68-87AE-BE222965E0B2@caustic.org> From: johan beisser To: "Daniel O'Connor" In-Reply-To: <200801131559.32933.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:00:07 -0800 References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200801131559.32933.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at caustic.org Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Timo Schoeler , Robert Watson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:00:13 -0000 On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, johan beisser wrote: >>> Pitty the few I have seen are basically unmaintained :( >>> (eg Papercut) >>> >>> Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper.... >> >> Not too difficult. Quite a few forums provide RSS feeds. > > That doesn't let you go both ways though, although just being able to > browse forums in a usenet like way would be much nicer.. it's doable with a little bit of work. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 13 08:34:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F69016A417 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fred.letter@lacave.net) Received: from talisker.lacave.net (talisker.lacave.net [217.145.39.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CECC613C478 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fred.letter@lacave.net) Received: (qmail 24995 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2008 08:08:15 -0000 Received: from 212-100-178-134.adsl.easynet.be (HELO laphroaig.lacave.local) (212.100.178.134) by talisker.lacave.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2008 08:08:15 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:10:14 +0100 From: "F. Senault" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.99.29) Professional Organization: Freelance gourou X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1763386364.20080113091014@lacave.net> To: "Daniel O'Connor" In-Reply-To: <200801131559.32933.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200801131559.32933.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "F. Senault" List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:34:58 -0000 Sunday, January 13, 2008, 6:29:03 AM, you wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, johan beisser wrote: >> > Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper.... >> >> Not too difficult. Quite a few forums provide RSS feeds. > That doesn't let you go both ways though, although just being able to > browse forums in a usenet like way would be much nicer.. Well, you can find RSS to Usenet gateways. I've written a small one myself and I'm routinely using it (http://news.lacave.net/rss - the page is in french, but there's an english INSTALL file). HTH, Fred -- ...it's about damn time that all of us who actually give a damn about Usenet stand up and tell the people who don't to fuck off and die. (Russ Allbery) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 13 12:11:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB8016A419; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:11:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B50913C45D; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0DCBCcE097720; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:11:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0DCBCid097719; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:11:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:11:12 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200801131211.m0DCBCid097719@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, ticso@cicely.de In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:11:13 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:11:18 -0000 Bernd Walter wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Certainly, but as I wrote, it's not a big deal. I have > > several other patches that I maintain on my own for > > various reasons. For example I have a local patch set > > that enables "-c none" in ssh, so I can scp large files > > much faster between slow machines over channels that don't > > need encryption, and still be able to use ssh's features. > > I don't even try to submit the patch to the OpenSSH people, > > because they would reject it. I considered submitting it > > as a local patch to the FreeBSD base, but I think it would > > be rejected too, reason: "please submit it upstream to the > > OpenSSH people". :-) > > This is by far the best outcome from this branch of the thread. > I've often missed this feature in ssh since it was removed. > May I have your patch? Sure. I just wrote a small readme file and put it on an web server: http://www.secnetix.de/olli/patches/openssh/ Actually the patch is small and trivial, because the "none" cipher support code is still there, it just has been disabled in the source at various places. The patch applies to RELENG_6, RELENG_7 and 8-current, so this is finally on-topic on the freebsd-current list. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "FreeBSD is Yoda, Linux is Luke Skywalker" -- Daniel C. Sobral From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 13 21:44:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0D616A41B; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3230D13C474; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.14.1/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m0DLWKNA091234; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:32:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.14.1/8.13.4/Submit) id m0DLWKfc091233; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:32:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:32:20 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200801132132.m0DLWKfc091233@apollo.backplane.com> References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200801131559.32933.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <1763386364.20080113091014@lacave.net> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: mail<->usenet gateway / web-forum (was Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:44:10 -0000 A web forum is a nice thing to have. I haven't found one that I am comfortable with security wise. A lot of people use our archives and a small but non trivial number post via our newsgroups. Most browsers no longer ship with a built-in nntp/news protocol, though (not sure about IE). We use MHONARC to make our mailing list archives available via the web. It works very well but it is read-only. FreeBSD might want to look into it, the UI is pretty friendly. We just use google to search it. USENET is basically dead (and has been for years), but the NNTP protocol itself is still quite nice. I never found the time to write a web-based forum using an NNTP backend. If anyone knows of such a beast, please email me! I'll include a quick summary of how to set up a mail<->news gateway below but it may not be worth the hassle to do. I will say, however, that both DIABLO and INN are so stable that a news system is basically self-maintaining once you have the cron jobs to trim the logs and spools in place. I haven't actually had to touch our news subsystem in three years. Literally haven't even CD'ed into it or logged in as the news user in three years. You can't get much better then that. -- Setting up a mail<->news gateway takes a few day, but once you have it working it is fairly self maintaining. * Set up a private news server, INN or DIABLO. Do NOT try to forward into the (now terribly maintained and broken) global usenet news system. * Enable NNTP access to the server. Typically enable anonymous access. * Add a forwarding email address to each mailing list you want to forward into the newsgroup. Feed the postings through a mail->usenet gateway. * Set up a cron job to pull postings made to the NEWS system back to the mailing list. The gateway program can be something like NNTPFWD, which is part of the bestserv mailing list manager tar: http://apollo.backplane.com/FreeSrc/bestserv-1.04.tgz (nntpfwd subdir) It is a stand-alone program and should work with any usenet news server. It should work with majordomo but may need minor adjustments to avoid mail<->news loops. It uses NNTP and has options to take a mail feed so it can feed in both directions. There are four major issues when setting up a gateway. * Unless you've set up INN or DIABLO before, it can take a few days just understanding how all the bits and pieces work. * Security settings have to allow the gateway program to do the mail<->news work without blocking or bouncing the messages/postings. Don't use an externally visible email address for the mail->news forwarding or it will get spammed. * Make sure you don't have forwarding loops between the mail and news gateway. Make sure you can post to the mailing list and have it show up on the newsgroup and NOT feed back to the mailing list, and make sure you can post to the newsgroup and have it show up on the mailing list and NOT feed back to the newsgroup. * After a few weeks check the disk usage of the news system and create cron jobs to trim the logs and/or news store appropriately. Once you do this the news gateway will be self maintaining. -Matt Matthew Dillon From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 13 22:35:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A83516A51A for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from mailout.bkkb.no (mailout.bkkb.no [62.97.193.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC97F13C45D for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:35:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from mail.hjemme.no (mail.hjemme.no [62.97.193.11]) by mailout.bkkb.no (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id B33A41D13D9; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:20:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.hjemme.no (mail.hjemme.no [62.97.193.11]) by mailout.bkkb.no with ESMTP id D932LW7eyadg7wze; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:20:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hjemme.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DA93BA8238; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:20:31 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-10 required=6.6 tests=[AWL=-0.900, BAYES_05=-1.11, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.hjemme.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.hjemme.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dmGiVKJ+q94C; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:20:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from carebears.mine.nu (151.85-200-10.bkkb.no [85.200.10.151]) by mail.hjemme.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626973BA8271; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:06:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carebears.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5686CD63D; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:06:27 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at carebears.mine.nu Received: from carebears.mine.nu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (carebears.mine.nu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQOzEsPs5QhJ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:06:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (unknown [192.168.0.23]) by carebears.mine.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073E9CD5C8; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:06:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <478A8B54.7010705@carebears.mine.nu> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:06:12 +0100 From: Christer Solskogen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200801131559.32933.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <1763386364.20080113091014@lacave.net> <200801132132.m0DLWKfc091233@apollo.backplane.com> In-Reply-To: <200801132132.m0DLWKfc091233@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Matthew Dillon Subject: Re: mail<->usenet gateway / web-forum (was Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:35:14 -0000 Matthew Dillon wrote: > We use MHONARC to make our mailing list archives available via the web. > It works very well but it is read-only. FreeBSD might want to look into > it, the UI is pretty friendly. We just use google to search it. > There is also something called gmane which already do this with FreeBSD(and other BSDs, and software projects). -- chs From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 14 00:53:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBB816A469; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D2B13C461; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.187]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD0E11FDD12; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:37:56 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.187]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75563-04; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:37:51 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9A911FDCCC; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:37:56 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88828CB02; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:37:59 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:37:20 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Matthew Dillon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200801132132.m0DLWKfc091233@apollo.backplane.com> References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200801131559.32933.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <1763386364.20080113091014@lacave.net> <200801132132.m0DLWKfc091233@apollo.backplane.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail<->usenet gateway / web-forum (was Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:53:52 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Sunday, January 13, 2008 13:32:20 -0800 Matthew Dillon wrote: > USENET is basically dead (and has been for years), but the NNTP > protocol itself is still quite nice. I never found the time to write > a web-based forum using an NNTP backend. If anyone knows of such a > beast, please email me! I don't agree ... the PostgreSQL community gets a fair amount of traffic from USENET through its gateway, *but*, we do have MAIA in place to keep the spam off the lists, so what we get to the actual mailing lists through it is only the signal, no noise at all ... I'd definitely prefer to read freebsd.* newsgroups then deal with mailing lists ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHiq7A4QvfyHIvDvMRAgQbAKCLyHTeRK5vEsQYF54YPUjz+XC3nwCgo+Mb C5iVshI6IlOoFDe+YYEPAeY= =fRLK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 14 05:28:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2263016A41A for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ari@ish.com.au) Received: from fish.ish.com.au (eth5921.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net [59.167.240.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF5313C467 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ari@ish.com.au) Received: from ip-182.ish.com.au ([203.29.62.182]) by fish.ish.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1JEHZZ-0007Rn-LU; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:09:21 +1100 Message-Id: <98D33E33-F611-4960-9DB1-94444C5F9756@ish.com.au> From: Aristedes Maniatis To: Daniel O'Connor In-Reply-To: <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:09:25 +1100 References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <20080112145146.6f196ede.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <20080112135630.I36731@fledge.watson.org> <200801131107.15267.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Timo Schoeler , Robert Watson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:28:39 -0000 On 13/01/2008, at 11:37 AM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Robert Watson wrote: >>> Sorry, but (especially in this case) that is nonsense as it's >>> primarily an excuse and disparages the work done there. >> >> There's another element in play here -- FreeBSD.org is a mailing >> list-centric community driven by people who are very much part of the >> e-mail world. For many newer computer users, e-mail is the old >> world, and the new world is instant messaging and web forums. Many >> developers I've talked to feel quite uncomfortable with the medium of >> web forums, and therefore don't tend to use them. If our newer user >> communities are forming around web forums (i.e., for PC-BSD), then we >> do need to find some way to bridge the gap. > > A usenet<->forum bridge would be nice since news looks enough like > email > for oldies to use :) > > Pitty the few I have seen are basically unmaintained :( > (eg Papercut) > > Hmm I wonder how hard it would be to write a forum scraper.... This may be useful to some people: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.current I know that I read several FreeBSD lists using an OSX nntp reader and it works very nicely. gmane offers most of the FreeBSD lists as nntp and web interfaces, even allowing posting back to the list. If appropriate, perhaps FreeBSD should link [1] back to gmane to make finding this easier. Ari [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL --------------------------> ish http://www.ish.com.au Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001 GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 18 16:27:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C85116A417 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:27:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.ipv6.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9535213C457 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: by mail.0x20.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 429EE3A5CC; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:27:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:27:22 +0100 From: Lars Engels To: Dominic Fandrey Message-ID: <20080118162722.GU47164@e.0x20.net> References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <86y7av5fbt.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4788CFF9.30500@bsdforen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Y/WcH0a6A93yCHGr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4788CFF9.30500@bsdforen.de> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.1 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lars Engels List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:27:24 -0000 --Y/WcH0a6A93yCHGr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 03:34:33PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > If you mean by disconnected the people who appear once and ask something that > can be answered by telling them to read a certain chapter in the handbook or > one of the 120 HowTos we have written and collected (I have offered to the > doc-mailing list to translate some to English, but that has been ignored), Why do you need to ask first? Do you think that it would have been rejected if you presented a translated version? --Y/WcH0a6A93yCHGr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHkNNqKc512sD3afgRAg50AKC+KP5UrKLIrVhCo9CUtNmduNJBgACgilWh SLPdQXPIkmOqAiFgoLNxET8= =5+WI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Y/WcH0a6A93yCHGr-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 19 08:14:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCB716A418 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:14:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from mx-out-04.forthnet.gr (mx-out.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB2D13C43E for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from mx-av-03.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-04.forthnet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0J6uGNM006149; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:56:16 +0200 Received: from MX-IN-04.forthnet.gr (mx-in-04.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.163]) by mx-av-03.forthnet.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0J6uG7m013729; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:56:16 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp56-165.adsl.forthnet.gr [62.1.112.165]) by MX-IN-04.forthnet.gr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m0J6uDdO023989; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:56:14 +0200 Authentication-Results: MX-IN-04.forthnet.gr smtp.mail=keramida@freebsd.org; spf=permerror Authentication-Results: MX-IN-04.forthnet.gr header.from=keramida@freebsd.org; sender-id=permerror Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m0J6uCoB058535; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:56:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m0J6uCXn058506; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:56:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:56:12 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Lars Engels Message-ID: <20080119065611.GA48167@kobe.laptop> References: <200801111917.m0BJHP8u018954@lurza.secnetix.de> <86y7av5fbt.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4788CFF9.30500@bsdforen.de> <20080118162722.GU47164@e.0x20.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080118162722.GU47164@e.0x20.net> Cc: Dominic Fandrey , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:14:25 -0000 On 2008-01-18 17:27, Lars Engels wrote: >On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 03:34:33PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: >> If you mean by disconnected the people who appear once and ask >> something that can be answered by telling them to read a certain >> chapter in the handbook or one of the 120 HowTos we have written and >> collected (I have offered to the doc-mailing list to translate some >> to English, but that has been ignored), > > Why do you need to ask first? Do you think that it would have been > rejected if you presented a translated version? Fair point. I think that 120 'article-like' additions to our existing article collection stand a pretty good chance of including a *lot* of useful material. It would be a bit silly to reject an offer like that because it was written by 'disconnected' people. Dominic, if you get some (or evel all?) of these howtos translated to English, I offer my help to get them integrated into our doc tree. - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 19 21:49:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D82916A420 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:49:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from c-0500.emailmediator.com (c-0500.emailmediator.com [64.85.162.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668F813C43E for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:49:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-71-170-114-32.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.170.114.32] helo=reedmedia.net) by c-0500.emailmediator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JGLZf-00051x-2E for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:49:59 -0500 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 27303-1200779514; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:51:55 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:51:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: simulate 166 MHz to 266 MHz CPU? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:49:59 -0000 I am using bochs and qemu to test some software expected to have good usability and performance on 166 MHz to 266 MHz CPUs. I am using qemu with a custom "-brake" patch to slow it down. And bochs has a Bochs provides a CPU "IPS" (emulated Instructions Per Second) configuration that can be adjusted. Any suggestions on how to evaluate if I am really at running somewhere around 166 MHz to 266 MHz? Any benchmarking tools that you suggest? (I considered ubench because it has a website with many reported results I can maybe compare with.) Or any other suggestions of different (free) software or techniques to do this? Thanks, Jeremy C. Reed