From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 27 23:52:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10646106564A for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ekerberos@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de (fmmailgate04.web.de [217.72.192.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83ECB8FC1C for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ekerberos@web.de) Received: from web.de by fmmailgate04.web.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CEA95659877 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:52:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [80.135.244.83] by freemailng2904.web.de with HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:52:57 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:52:57 +0200 Message-Id: <595577610@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Sisantha Godawela-Ohle To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Precedence: fm-user Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-Provags-Id: V01U2FsdGVkX1+tVF2ns+mDlkCv883aEhQPP7dlRyL8pVyiTUHBPXpGWjGHL hW7QucK0aqNsU15p/2rXxh86Ol0jFrlcdPvbtqzLXw7tHIObA4= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 256, Issue 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:52:59 -0000 Hello! pl. someone tell me how to reinstall libkrb5.so.9, as i mistakenly remove = it ( by installing Postgree or pureFTPd got the message that this should b= e deinstall!!) Now i`m unable to log or start gnome-session but only kde! thanks for any positive solution. regards, Sisantha PS. version os is freebsd7.0=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Gesendet: 23.04.08 14:01:21 > An: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Betreff: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 256, Issue 2 > Send freebsd-chat mailing list submissions to > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >=20 > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-chat-request@freebsd.org >=20 > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-chat-owner@freebsd.org >=20 > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-chat digest..." >=20 >=20 > Today's Topics: >=20 > 1. Re: port management practices (Brian) > 2. Re: port management practices (christopher) > 3. Re: port management practices (Ravna) > 4. Re: port management practices (Matthew D. Fuller) > 5. Re: port management practices (christopher) >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:02:06 -0700 > From: Brian > Subject: Re: port management practices > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <480DFDEE.5020303@brianwhalen.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed >=20 > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > I don't. > > > > It's too much work. I don't update ports for the duration of a major=20 > > release's life. What ever ports came out for 6.3 (that's when I quit=20 > > trying to manage ports) are typically what I am running. When 7.1 is=20 > > released (I don't run x.0 releases) I will reinstall ports based on a=20 > > homegrown script and a couple text files. > > > > My response is brief but I'll tell you I have tried everything. There=20 > > was much suffering that went into my ports management method. I'm much= =20 > > happier now. I spend more time using my computers and less time=20 > > maintaining them. > > > > The problem is non-trivial. I am curious how -ports folks maintain=20 > > their sanity. That's a phenomena worth studying. > > > > Regards, > > Jason > > > > > I suppose this is relative to the number of ports installed, but it=20 > really isnt that difficult under normal circumstances. If you have one=20 > that needs to be treated differently, then ask why does it indeed to be=20 > treated differently and is it worth it. Over the last few years, I have= =20 > had very few problems where portsnap followed by portupgrade didn't=20 > work. The dependency problems are the toughest, the last one of those=20 > I had I fixed with portmanager. For me, a goal worth pursuing is to=20 > make it easier, so you don't need to be a longterm user to figure out=20 > how to easily update system and/or ports, it should be a little easier=20 > AND apparent; even Microsoft and Redhat tell you when there are updates=20 > to be applied. >=20 > Brian >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:12:45 -0700 > From: christopher > Subject: Re: port management practices > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20080422091245.818e3e86.skeptikos@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:02:06 -0700 > Brian wrote: >=20 > > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > > I don't. > > > > > > It's too much work. I don't update ports for the duration of a=20 >=20 > > I suppose this is relative to the number of ports installed, but it=20 > > really isnt that difficult under normal circumstances. If you have on= e=20 > > that needs to be treated differently, then ask why does it indeed to b= e=20 > > treated differently and is it worth it. Over the last few years, I ha= ve=20 > > had very few problems where portsnap followed by portupgrade didn't=20 > > work. The dependency problems are the toughest, the last one of thos= e=20 > > I had I fixed with portmanager. For me, a goal worth pursuing is to=20 > > make it easier, so you don't need to be a longterm user to figure out=20 > > how to easily update system and/or ports, it should be a little easier= =20 > > AND apparent; even Microsoft and Redhat tell you when there are update= s=20 > > to be applied. >=20 > I've kind of taken to the same practice as Jason by > sticking with things once my system is up and running. > It worked for me very well and it kept me with 5.4 for > quite a long time. When I did do upgrades, I actually > reinstalled them all by doing pkg=5Fdelete -a. >=20 > I checked out the ports TODO, and there were some > interesting things there, but nothing topical for my > original query. >=20 > I finally upgraded to 7.0, and that's when I ran into > just the one issue with openoffice, actually cups is > still giving me some issues, but that's not as vital. I > use my system as a desktop, so there is gimp, > openoffice, kde (for when my gf needs to use my > computer), inkscape and a bunch of multimedia stuff. > Some people say that FreeBSD isn't good, nor intended > to be run as a desktop, but I am actually quite happy > with it ~ Chris >=20 > --=20 > christopher >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:29:49 +0200 > From: Ravna > Subject: Re: port management practices > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <480E66DD.4040008@nerdshack.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed >=20 > It's my philosophy, that a little each day, is better than lots, once in= =20 > a while. > Cron updates my ports tree every night and does a "portupgrade -a" =20 > after that. > The output is saved to a file, so I can deal with problems. > I do a "buildworld/buildkernel" every week, if there are changes in the=20 > source. > Nothing has ever been older than a few days. > I don't see why my box should be bored while I'm asleep. > It's always on, anyway. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:49:56 -0500 > From: "Matthew D. Fuller" > Subject: Re: port management practices > To: christopher > Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20080422224956.GV67042@over-yonder.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii >=20 > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 09:17:17PM -0700 I heard the voice of > christopher, and lo! it spake thus: > >=20 > > I know about csup, portupgrade, etc., and I think they are great, > > but if you only have one app that you want to upgrade because it was > > buggy at a previous time, then it doesn't seem like a practical > > undertaking when you consider all of the other apps involved and the > > build times for things such as openoffice and kde. >=20 > But it's usually not necessary to rebuild all the other apps. >=20 > Certainly the deeper you go into dependancies, the greater the risk of > downstream impact; a lot of things depend on libX11, so updating that > may require rebuilding a lot of things. But the closer you get to the > leaves, the less the issue is. >=20 > I'm fairly sure I've *NEVER* used 'portupgrade -a'. I always use > portversion to spit out the list of outdated things, and pick and > choose what I update when. Wine takes a long time to build, so I > usually hold that off 'till I don't mind nailing the system up for an > hour or so. Some things I have local patches to, so I do them > manually later. Deeper bits with a lot of things depending on them I > save until I'll have a bit of time to deal with potential fallout > (which is surprisingly rare, considering the complexity of the system; > a great testament to the work of the maintainers). A lot of things I > just drop into the todo list and fire off whenever they come up. >=20 >=20 > I've had hiccups and oopses, but on the whole, it works very smoothly, > and has for many years on many systems. I always hear these horror > stories from people, but they keep obstinately refusing to happen to > me. Life's rough sometimes 8-} >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net > Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ > On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:04:18 -0700 > From: christopher > Subject: Re: port management practices > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20080422200418.6afcdc84.skeptikos@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:29:49 +0200 > Ravna wrote: >=20 > > It's my philosophy, that a little each day, is better than lots, once = in=20 > > a while. > > Cron updates my ports tree every night and does a "portupgrade -a" =20 > > after that. > > The output is saved to a file, so I can deal with problems. > > I do a "buildworld/buildkernel" every week, if there are changes in th= e=20 > > source. >=20 > Wow, that's bold. I have to say, that while it seems > to make sense, I'm pretty scared of trying it out. I > would hate to think that I wake up and openoffice > doesn't work for the paper I have to write. One of these > days when I get an extra machine up and running, I'll > be sure to try it though. >=20 > --=20 > christopher >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 > End of freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 256, Issue 2 > ******************************************** >=20 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F In 5 Schritten zur eigenen Homepage. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@delphij.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:28:32 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Will anyone recommend some small (in size as compared to normal desktop systems) devices that can fulfill the following requirements? ~ - Reasonably good cooling system; ~ - It supports at least 3 hard drives (SATA or SAS preferred; prefer 5400rpm or slower hard drives to reduce noise and power consumption); ~ - It can be equipped with at least 2 GB of RAM; ~ - Uses a 64-bit capable CPU (intel, amd or something else) ~ - Provide some sort of console interface, e.g. serial port or firewire, etc. ~ - Have at least one ethernet interface (GbE preferred, ideally can be booted from network). Cheers, - -- Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgWT4IACgkQi+vbBBjt66AbVACgghOZakoOTxkfMrni6Kd+UoTp OYcAoIShj6X8N7/9m78my6vNCKBtpKMq =VW58 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 19:12:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD22106566C for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 19:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412A78FC0A for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 19:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2941C509CA for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:12:20 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tvb9Ale58Ugt for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:12:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bast.unixathome.org [72.78.223.75]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26D77509C8 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:12:14 +0100 (BST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <66E39C57-074F-43FD-B91D-A06B71037F05@langille.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: FreeBSD Chat From: Dan Langille Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 15:11:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Subject: Volunteer needed to create screen saver for BSDCan X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 19:12:26 -0000 I need help. I need someone to create a screen saver to run on my Mac. This screen saver will be used during the opening session of BSDCan. In short; I have about 20 emails I wish to have displayed. I can give you the emails or a PDF of each email, whichever you want. I had tried using just the PDF and the "Pictures Folder" screen saver. This was a good start. But each PDF contains large amounts of whitespace. Each email occupies very little of one PDF page. Therefore, the screen save often shows this whitespace and nothing else. I'm not worried about how you achieve the result, but one suggestion I thought of was : convert the PDF to an image file and crop off the whitespace. Please contact me off-list and I will send you the PDFs/emails. Those with suggestions as to how to do this work are free to suggest, but I do not want to do the work as other parts of BSDCan are higher priority right now. :) Thanks. -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ dan@langille.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 20:47:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D381065672 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BD18FC12 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so218570wxd.7 for ; Sat, 03 May 2008 13:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.47.1 with SMTP id u1mr4260351wxu.51.1209846011095; Sat, 03 May 2008 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.78.18 with HTTP; Sat, 3 May 2008 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32393800805031320vae85eccp512b041a18aabca1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:20:11 -0700 From: "Johan Beisser" To: "Dan Langille" In-Reply-To: <66E39C57-074F-43FD-B91D-A06B71037F05@langille.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66E39C57-074F-43FD-B91D-A06B71037F05@langille.org> Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Volunteer needed to create screen saver for BSDCan X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 20:47:56 -0000 Leopard or Tiger? On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > I need help. I need someone to create a screen saver to run on my Mac. > This screen saver will be used during the opening session of BSDCan. > > In short; I have about 20 emails I wish to have displayed. I can give you > the emails or a PDF of each email, whichever you want. > > I had tried using just the PDF and the "Pictures Folder" screen saver. This > was a good start. But each PDF contains large amounts of whitespace. > Each email occupies very little of one PDF page. Therefore, the screen > save > often shows this whitespace and nothing else. > > I'm not worried about how you achieve the result, but one suggestion I > thought > of was : convert the PDF to an image file and crop off the whitespace. > > Please contact me off-list and I will send you the PDFs/emails. Those with > suggestions as to how to do this work are free to suggest, but I do not > want > to do the work as other parts of BSDCan are higher priority right now. :) > > Thanks. > > -- > Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ > dan@langille.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 20:56:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511211065675 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F158FC0A for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:56:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30025098F; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:56:37 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kCkyxINIO7Bk; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:56:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bast.unixathome.org [72.78.223.75]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AABC85098D; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:56:36 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <32393800805031320vae85eccp512b041a18aabca1@mail.gmail.com> References: <66E39C57-074F-43FD-B91D-A06B71037F05@langille.org> <32393800805031320vae85eccp512b041a18aabca1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <989FC6E6-F9B1-4777-A4FD-59E54896DB4C@langille.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dan Langille Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:56:26 -0400 To: "Johan Beisser" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Volunteer needed to create screen saver for BSDCan X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 20:56:43 -0000 On May 3, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Johan Beisser wrote: > Leopard or Tiger? Mac OS X 10.4.11 (8S2167), which I think is Tiger. > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Dan Langille > wrote: >> I need help. I need someone to create a screen saver to run on my >> Mac. >> This screen saver will be used during the opening session of BSDCan. >> >> In short; I have about 20 emails I wish to have displayed. I can >> give you >> the emails or a PDF of each email, whichever you want. >> >> I had tried using just the PDF and the "Pictures Folder" screen >> saver. This >> was a good start. But each PDF contains large amounts of >> whitespace. >> Each email occupies very little of one PDF page. Therefore, the >> screen >> save >> often shows this whitespace and nothing else. >> >> I'm not worried about how you achieve the result, but one >> suggestion I >> thought >> of was : convert the PDF to an image file and crop off the >> whitespace. >> >> Please contact me off-list and I will send you the PDFs/emails. >> Those with >> suggestions as to how to do this work are free to suggest, but I >> do not >> want >> to do the work as other parts of BSDCan are higher priority right >> now. :) >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ >> dan@langille.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ dan@langille.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 21:04:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84232106567A for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376158FC15 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i29so220817wxd.7 for ; Sat, 03 May 2008 14:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.8.2 with SMTP id 2mr4318704wxh.69.1209848642647; Sat, 03 May 2008 14:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.78.18 with HTTP; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32393800805031404i125f1954kbd51b90d429b83bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:04:02 -0700 From: "Johan Beisser" To: "Dan Langille" In-Reply-To: <989FC6E6-F9B1-4777-A4FD-59E54896DB4C@langille.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66E39C57-074F-43FD-B91D-A06B71037F05@langille.org> <32393800805031320vae85eccp512b041a18aabca1@mail.gmail.com> <989FC6E6-F9B1-4777-A4FD-59E54896DB4C@langille.org> Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Volunteer needed to create screen saver for BSDCan X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 21:04:04 -0000 Yeah, that's Tiger. I don't know if leopard quartz composer constructs work in Tiger. It might be worth a shot. You might also just want to play with QuartzComposer.app. On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > > On May 3, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Johan Beisser wrote: > > > > Leopard or Tiger? > > > > Mac OS X 10.4.11 (8S2167), which I think is Tiger. > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > I need help. I need someone to create a screen saver to run on my Mac. > > > This screen saver will be used during the opening session of BSDCan. > > > > > > In short; I have about 20 emails I wish to have displayed. I can give > you > > > the emails or a PDF of each email, whichever you want. > > > > > > I had tried using just the PDF and the "Pictures Folder" screen saver. > This > > > was a good start. But each PDF contains large amounts of whitespace. > > > Each email occupies very little of one PDF page. Therefore, the screen > > > save > > > often shows this whitespace and nothing else. > > > > > > I'm not worried about how you achieve the result, but one suggestion I > > > thought > > > of was : convert the PDF to an image file and crop off the whitespace. > > > > > > Please contact me off-list and I will send you the PDFs/emails. Those > with > > > suggestions as to how to do this work are free to suggest, but I do not > > > want > > > to do the work as other parts of BSDCan are higher priority right now. > :) > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > > Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ > > > dan@langille.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ > dan@langille.org > > > > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 21:08:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153371065730 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:08:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51918FC12 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E415098D; Sat, 3 May 2008 22:08:25 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mIV7XLXF6AAL; Sat, 3 May 2008 22:08:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bast.unixathome.org [72.78.223.75]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A63050990; Sat, 3 May 2008 22:08:21 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <66E39C57-074F-43FD-B91D-A06B71037F05@langille.org> References: <66E39C57-074F-43FD-B91D-A06B71037F05@langille.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dan Langille Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:08:11 -0400 To: Dan Langille X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Volunteer needed to create screen saver for BSDCan X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 21:08:31 -0000 On May 3, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > I need help. I need someone to create a screen saver to run on my > Mac. Or, something that will run on KDE... Either solution is fine by me. > This screen saver will be used during the opening session of BSDCan. > > In short; I have about 20 emails I wish to have displayed. I can > give you > the emails or a PDF of each email, whichever you want. > > I had tried using just the PDF and the "Pictures Folder" screen > saver. This > was a good start. But each PDF contains large amounts of whitespace. > Each email occupies very little of one PDF page. Therefore, the > screen save > often shows this whitespace and nothing else. > > I'm not worried about how you achieve the result, but one > suggestion I thought > of was : convert the PDF to an image file and crop off the whitespace. > > Please contact me off-list and I will send you the PDFs/emails. > Those with > suggestions as to how to do this work are free to suggest, but I do > not want > to do the work as other parts of BSDCan are higher priority right > now. :) > > Thanks. > > -- > Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ > dan@langille.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ dan@langille.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 22:01:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBE9106566B for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 22:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mail19.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail19.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8288FC27 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 22:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: (qmail 13683 invoked from network); 3 May 2008 22:01:44 -0000 Received: from mxperim5.sea5.speakeasy.net ([69.17.117.70]) (envelope-sender ) by mail19.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 May 2008 22:01:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mxperim5.sea5.speakeasy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED60B9B77F for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 15:01:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mxperim5.sea5.speakeasy.net Received: from mxperim5.sea5.speakeasy.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mxperim5.sea5.speakeasy.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29ScoCNHXYgj for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 15:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (dsl081-163-042.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.42]) by mxperim5.sea5.speakeasy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 15:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <481CE0E7.7070900@highperformance.net> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 15:02:15 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4pre (X11/20080205) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Tired of Hierarchies X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 22:01:45 -0000 When will we be able to access our computerized data on the desktop with out complete dependence on the hierarchy? Has anyone in the FOSS community tackled this problem? What software is used? I am tired of hierarchies. File sytems have hierachies. My bookmarks which could conceivably be non-hierarchical have hierarchies. Mail folders enforce hierarchy where perhaps none is needed. The difficulty I have with hierarchy is that you have to remember the hierarchy. That or the names given to elements in the hierarchy have to be intuitive. The deeper and wider a hierarchy becomes, the more likely it is to be useless. I would like all of the data that I use everywhere to be one click away at all times. But placing all of that data in one central place is also unmanageable. Thus we employ search and filtering. To do that we employ proper metadata, tagging, or brute force searching. In a library I can access pretty much every volume in two steps. Search the index, then go to the location of the volume and pick it from the shelf. Their is a pattern here. The easiest systems that I use all have a "search/index" paradigm attached to them. I keep an image in my mind of where to find data that I use during the course of my employment or hobbies. My employer has incredibly good information systems. I would say that I can access many millions of documents somewhat readily. Unmanaged files in hierarchies quickly become irretrievable. Regards, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 22:42:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645951065684 for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 22:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357138FC0C for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 22:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAIeAHEiC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACqdg Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 03 May 2008 15:13:09 -0700 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF378) with ESMTP id 2008050315130846-63 ; Sat, 3 May 2008 15:13:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 15:13:08 -0700 (PDT) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: "Jason C. Wells" In-Reply-To: <481CE0E7.7070900@highperformance.net> Message-ID: References: <481CE0E7.7070900@highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 05/03/2008 15:13:08, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF378 | February 28, 2008) at 05/03/2008 15:13:09, Serialize complete at 05/03/2008 15:13:09 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: fbsd_chat Subject: Re: Tired of Hierarchies X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 22:42:54 -0000 On Sat, 3 May 2008, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > I would like all of the data that I use everywhere to be one click away at > all times. But placing all of that data in one central place is also > unmanageable. Thus we employ search and filtering. To do that we employ > proper metadata, tagging, or brute force searching. dood. binary search trees define hierarchical data and allow the optimized O(NlogN) sort and O(logN) search. > I keep an image in my mind of where to find data that I use during the course > of my employment or hobbies. My employer has incredibly good information > systems. I would say that I can access many millions of documents somewhat > readily. Unmanaged files in hierarchies quickly become irretrievable. because of O(logN) search, one million items can be searched in log(base breadth)(1 million) time instead of just 1 million time. seriously. > > Regards, > Jason C. Wells > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 3 23:48:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0FF106564A for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 23:48:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227608FC0A for ; Sat, 3 May 2008 23:48:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037E6508CA; Sun, 4 May 2008 00:48:48 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YT1G1ViDgMpM; Sun, 4 May 2008 00:48:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (bast.unixathome.org [72.78.223.75]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DED0E508B5; Sun, 4 May 2008 00:48:46 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <32393800805031404i125f1954kbd51b90d429b83bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <66E39C57-074F-43FD-B91D-A06B71037F05@langille.org> <32393800805031320vae85eccp512b041a18aabca1@mail.gmail.com> <989FC6E6-F9B1-4777-A4FD-59E54896DB4C@langille.org> <32393800805031404i125f1954kbd51b90d429b83bd@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A05A2CF-AFBB-4931-9B5E-607DBCB93F1B@langille.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dan Langille Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:48:36 -0400 To: "Johan Beisser" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Volunteer needed to create screen saver for BSDCan X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 23:48:53 -0000 On May 3, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Johan Beisser wrote: > Yeah, that's Tiger. > > I don't know if leopard quartz composer constructs work in Tiger. It > might be worth a shot. > > You might also just want to play with QuartzComposer.app. Thanks. But not me... I have other stuff to do that only I can do. :) Hence my call for a volunteer to do this. > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Dan Langille wrote: >> >> On May 3, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Johan Beisser wrote: >> >> >>> Leopard or Tiger? >>> >> >> Mac OS X 10.4.11 (8S2167), which I think is Tiger. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Dan Langille >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I need help. I need someone to create a screen saver to run on >>>> my Mac. >>>> This screen saver will be used during the opening session of >>>> BSDCan. >>>> >>>> In short; I have about 20 emails I wish to have displayed. I >>>> can give >> you >>>> the emails or a PDF of each email, whichever you want. >>>> >>>> I had tried using just the PDF and the "Pictures Folder" screen >>>> saver. >> This >>>> was a good start. But each PDF contains large amounts of >>>> whitespace. >>>> Each email occupies very little of one PDF page. Therefore, >>>> the screen >>>> save >>>> often shows this whitespace and nothing else. >>>> >>>> I'm not worried about how you achieve the result, but one >>>> suggestion I >>>> thought >>>> of was : convert the PDF to an image file and crop off the >>>> whitespace. >>>> >>>> Please contact me off-list and I will send you the PDFs/ >>>> emails. Those >> with >>>> suggestions as to how to do this work are free to suggest, but >>>> I do not >>>> want >>>> to do the work as other parts of BSDCan are higher priority >>>> right now. >> :) >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ >>>> dan@langille.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- >>>> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ >> dan@langille.org >> >> >> >> >> -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ dan@langille.org