From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 15:47:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4B0106564A for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006CB8FC14 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from 2ao1z ([24.195.232.37]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090125151632.JTEC16090.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@2ao1z> for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:16:32 +0000 From: "Lawrence Auster" To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:16:31 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <20090125151632.JTEC16090.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@2ao1z> Subject: Why are the Zionist leaders in Israel so happy about the new President? X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lawrence.auster@att.net List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:47:01 -0000 Why is the President of Israel, the terrorist who just oversaw the Zionist mass murder and maiming of thousands of Palestinians so happy that Obama is President of the USA? by David Duke Read the excerpt from the Israeli News about how President Perez and Israel think that Obama’s becoming U.S. President is great day for Israel. "Israel’s President Shimon Peres ecstatic over the election of Obama" Ronen Medzini Israel News Jan. 21 “Today is a great day not only for the United States of America, but for the entire world,” President Shimon Peres wrote in a letter addressed to Barack Obama on the day of his inauguration as president of the United States. “Obama was elected by the United States, but as a matter of fact, he was chosen by the whole of humankind,” Why is Peres so ecstatic? Why shouldn’t he be, he knows that Obama is completely in the grip of the extremist Jewish Zionists in America, and he knows that the greater Obama’s popularity and idol worship, the more Obama can do for the International Zionist Cause. Any thinking and caring human being who realizes that the Zionist-controlled American foreign policy has been a disaster for the robbed and murdered people of Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and a catastrophe for the 50,000 American wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as an economic catastrophe for the hardworking Americans who pay trillions to finance these wars for Israel — must wake up the fact that supporting Obama and increasing his popularity will only aid Zionist terrorism, war, and their murder and oppression of the Palestinians. It will also hasten the economic suffering of billions of people around the world as his popularity enables him to more easily aid the Zionist International Bankers steal the wealth of the United States, Europe and the world. Obama is totally in the bloodstained and green ink- stained hands of the Zionists. The hard truth is that the more good will and support Obama has also gives more power to support the Zionist agenda! Mark my words. The Obama Presidency will be disaster for America and for the world. Obama was put into office by the Zionists. His top two cohorts for years have been the radical Jews David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel. Both have long records of radical Zionism and have been attack dogs against anyone perceived as having the slightest opposition to Israel. One such victim was Sen. Charles Percy, who both men worked to defeat and destroy because he dared to only be 99 percent rather than 100 percent pro-Israel. Rahm Emmanuel, a dual citizen of Israel who went to fight for Israel, he has a long pedigree of Jewish extremism. His father served in the Irgun Terrorist Gang and he himself is named after an Irgun terrorist. Zionist leaders in Chicago actually call Obama “the first Jewish President” and boast that Jews were key players in Obama’s every step up the ladder to President. from the very earliest days, extremist Jews were the largest contributors to his campaign. In the beginning of his Presidential bid, three Hollywood Jews that constantly make movies about Jewish suffering, but never about the Zionist terrorism and theft against the Palestinian people, Steven Spielberg, David Geffen, and Jeffrey Katzenberg raised 1.2 million for Obama in a single Hollywood party. By the time Obama’s campaign was in full swing, he had huge support from the criminal Zionist International Banking firms such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman brothers. Goldman Sachs was Obama’s biggest single contributor, and his vast war chest came not from American manufacturing firms like GM or even American oil companies, (not one was in his top twenty) it was overwhelmingly dominated by Zionist international bankers, the same ones whose thievery and fraud are giving the world this economic depression. For those looking for meaningful social and political change, do you really think it will come from this man who has already been bought heart, head and soul by the most powerful czars of the international financial establishment and the biggest globalists in the world? I know that many are desperate for change, so desperate that you want to believe anything. But in the face of these facts can’t you see that Obama will be even more dangerous to freedom and justice than even George Bush and his band of Neocons were. What better way to wipe out George Bush’s hated legacy and make the world believe that America has really changed than with the election of Obama. But, all the real Zionist power, Zionist media power, and Zionist financial power in America is still in place, even stronger than ever. Many Americans and others around the world who want to do good are now telling us how wonderful Obama will be as president. What a great change it will be from the old policies. This is because of the Zionist-Controlled media hype, promoting Obama. The fact is that these poor sods are ignorantly helping the radical Zionist agenda in Israel and around the world. Every day that you don’t help expose Obama for the Zionist servant that he actually is, his popularity will be a greater danger to peace and freedom. If the Zionist terrorist Shimon Perez is happy about the coronation of Obama, then why in the hell should you be? –David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/7303_7303.html ------------------------------------- You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to the Lawrence Auster Newletter. If you wish to unsubscribe from our mailing list, please let us know by calling to 1 212 865 1284 Thanks, Lawrence Auster, 238 W 101 St Apt. 3B New York, NY 10025 Contact: lawrence.auster@att.net ------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 20:34:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EAD106568C; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD518FC12; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0PKY1YO033006; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:34:01 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n0PKY1ZY033002; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:34:01 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:34:01 GMT Message-Id: <200901252034.n0PKY1ZY033002@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.org From: linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: misc/130977: [netgraph][pf] kernel panic trap 12 on user connect to VPN server X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:34:04 -0000 Synopsis: [netgraph][pf] kernel panic trap 12 on user connect to VPN server Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-pf Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jan 25 20:33:47 UTC 2009 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=130977 From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 11:07:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9206106567C for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92B58FC24 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0QB70dd024346 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:07:00 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n0QB70K2024342 for freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:07:00 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:07:00 GMT Message-Id: <200901261107.n0QB70K2024342@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:07:03 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/130977 pf [netgraph][pf] kernel panic trap 12 on user connect to o conf/130381 pf [rc.d] [pf] [ip6] ipv6 not fully configured when pf st o kern/129861 pf [pf] [patch] Argument names reversed in pf_table.c:_co o kern/129060 pf [pf] [tun] pf doesn't forget the old tun IP o kern/127920 pf [pf] ipv6 and synproxy don't play well together o conf/127814 pf [pf] The flush in pf_reload in /etc/rc.d/pf does not w o conf/127511 pf [patch] /usr/sbin/authpf: add authpf folders to BSD.ro o kern/127439 pf [pf] deadlock in pf o kern/127345 pf [pf] Problem with PF on FreeBSD7.0 [regression] o kern/127121 pf [pf] [patch] pf incorrect log priority o kern/127042 pf [pf] [patch] pf recursion panic if interface group is o kern/125467 pf [pf] pf keep state bug while handling sessions between s kern/124933 pf [pf] [ip6] pf does not support (drops) IPv6 fragmented o kern/124364 pf [pf] [panic] Kernel panic with pf + bridge o kern/122773 pf [pf] pf doesn't log uid or pid when configured to o kern/122014 pf [pf] [panic] FreeBSD 6.2 panic in pf o kern/121704 pf [pf] PF mangles loopback packets o kern/120281 pf [pf] [request] lost returning packets to PF for a rdr o kern/120057 pf [pf] [patch] Allow proper settings of ALTQ_HFSC. The c o bin/118355 pf [pf] [patch] pfctl(8) help message options order false o kern/114567 pf [pf] [lor] pf_ioctl.c + if.c o kern/114095 pf [carp] carp+pf delay with high state limit o kern/111220 pf [pf] repeatable hangs while manipulating pf tables s conf/110838 pf [pf] tagged parameter on nat not working on FreeBSD 5. o kern/103283 pf pfsync fails to sucessfully transfer some sessions o kern/103281 pf pfsync reports bulk update failures o kern/93825 pf [pf] pf reply-to doesn't work o sparc/93530 pf [pf] Incorrect checksums when using pf's route-to on s o kern/92949 pf [pf] PF + ALTQ problems with latency o kern/82271 pf [pf] cbq scheduler cause bad latency 30 problems total. From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 01:22:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600C210656FB for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:22:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew.daugherity@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D625D8FC20 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew.daugherity@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id d26so918137eyd.7 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:22:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lw+4Ol4s4qgdrdNkqya+pqfOeP5wbs8869irc6JrcEY=; b=I/D9OYVugBpSSZimUxOEPH3CwBPfV8uzpYKL48jFp4Coky/xAziLigTHuwO3XfW9t9 5W3JgDmTdzGl5OrcmK1fZOx0CMxCzA5/O4HSAwJHRWLyB8ud3gGIF5n3dpEB1FE/9YEC LejrjhtedM52paRqqmrdwf0zXNjejMAQ5dHcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=hsReKQqw2lBZRcVr2VD7o2MSjgb4r7y1XIFAFkmDqsC0qPExL4lAWqN89uQKfN2zMK LD1G5CfjOiEkNLgxCd5EeVRwZ9ZJ/5Ngz7/LTJfFUZqDr/cDzVJ9Ie405DwEFk/G/NHr CM53KTF7pzK1B7CuxmmjTkUBejv3cKN4QV3Zg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.105.2 with SMTP id d2mr2808021ebc.67.1233104382164; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:59:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:59:42 -0600 Message-ID: <38ce25da0901271659m2b6d8a1fg2e425df93781f6f5@mail.gmail.com> From: Andrew Daugherity To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: carp vs. devd, and advskew lossage X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:22:20 -0000 Summary: devd unnecessarily reconfigures carp interfaces, and "/etc/rc.d/netif start carp0" loses the advskew setting when an IP assigned to carp0 is configured on gif0. This is probably two separate bugs. I've got a pair of 7.1/amd64 boxen acting as load-balancers in a CARP failover pair. One has advskew 0, the other advskew 100, so that the first one is preferred. I also have configured a gif(4) interface on each to tunnel between two private networks at different sites. Both the public and private IP on gif0 are assigned to carp0, and connections through this tunnel fail over as expected. Life is good, except for the following annoyances: The problem is that if I configure gif0 in rc.conf, the "slave" (configured advskew 100) comes up with advskew 0 instead, and becomes the carp0 master on boot about 50% of the time. If, however, I comment out the configuration for gif0 in rc.conf and then run the ifconfig and route commands for plumbing gif0 after the box is up, carp0 has advskew 100 as expected. Also, if I use IPs that are unique to that box for gif0 (and not configured on a carp interface), carp0 is configured properly with advskew 100. Of course, in this case the tunnel doesn't fail over. However, I discovered the problem goes deeper than this. After enabling rc_debug and watching the console scrollback, I discovered that carp0 was initially configured correctly by rc.d/netif, and then after devd started, it called the (misnamed) pccard_ether script on interfaces it thinks aren't "up", which includes carp0. pccard_ether in turn calls "rc.d/netif start carp0". Besides needless reconfiguring carp0 (and doing so incorrectly when the gif issue is in play), this also calls "rc.d/routing static" again which then complains about the routes already existing. I solved the devd issue by telling it to ignore carp attach events, by installing the following as /usr/local/etc/devd/carp.conf: ==== # don't have devd call network_start on carp0; for some reason this # loses the advskew setting (besides being entirely superfluous). notify 100 { match "system" "IFNET"; match "subsystem" "carp[0-9]+"; match "type" "ATTACH"; action "echo devd called on $subsystem, type $type"; }; ==== The second bug is that "rc.d/netif start carp0" always brings it up with advskew 0 when a carp IP is assigned to gif0, regardless of the ifconfig_carp0 setting in rc.conf. If, however, I do "rc.d/netif stop" and then "rc.d/netif start" (with no interface specified, and of course from the console), carp0 is brought up with the correct advskew setting. So then... should I file one or two bugs for this? Assuming I'm not missing something, both of these issues seem to be incorrect behavior. From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 22:28:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9BE10656C0 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:28:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from fed1rmmtai112.cox.net (fed1rmmtai112.cox.net [68.230.241.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881D48FC13 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:28:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090129220509.LWGL12540.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:05:09 -0500 Received: from ihkmn ([68.7.178.36]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 9a531b0060nWD4404a54eB; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:05:08 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fTpmd6j1VbsA:10 a=Ijf4uibmdlYA:10 a=8da1oD9WnRMA:10 a=6eRGdbthAAAA:8 a=nKDLJjefMrHCVW1xqdIA:9 a=F0ta1PNHEV0TM_cU4loA:7 a=JfaWgUyT9WyKE0hanbBKr5di8GMA:4 a=6gryP8oqIuwA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=sh6PArqQtYdngLzxv5aEQJAsMbE=:19 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Lawrence Auster" To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:05:00 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <20090129220509.LWGL12540.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Subject: The =?iso-8859-1?q?=93Military=2C?= Industrial =?iso-8859-1?q?Complex=94?= is no more -- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lawrence.auster@att.net List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:28:44 -0000 The “Military, Industrial Complex” is no more. Today it is the Political, Financial and Media — Zionist Complex! 1/28/2009 An short essay by Dr. David Duke The “Military-Industrial complex” really has no relevance to the real holders of global power today. America is the most powerful military and economic nation on earth. The powers that control the levers of political power in America possess the greatest power the world has ever seen. Who really has power over the government today? Is it the fabled “Military, Industrial Complex”? An effective gauge of direct political power in America is “to discover who provided the pivotal amounts of the billion-dollar recent campaigns for U.S. President. You can look directly at campaign contributions for every candidate from the Federal Election Commission in order to find out who holds the real power in politics. So, who holds the real power over the American political establishment? Let’s first look at who does not hold much power over the establishment. 1) It is not the military. There is not any organized military monetary influence or even significant political influence of the military over the politicians. In fact, no one in military positions of authority are allowed to openly get involved in politics. No active sergeant, lieutenant, or General can send out a directive to the men under him to support or oppose a particular candidate (the one exception I know to that was when the Louisiana commanding general of the National Guard, under Jewish influence, sent a letter to all national guardsmen telling them that it was their “patriotic duty” to vote against David Duke and for the Liberal corrupt former Governor, Edwin Edwards. Even that caused a scandal in military circles, as it should have. 2) It is NOT major manufacturing or even the huge oil companies. There was not one oil company and only a couple of legitimate manufacturing or industrial concerns on Obama and McCain’s top twenty contributor list. The list was completely dominated by Zionist international banking firms. If one combines every defense contractor’s contributions the money they give in politics is minuscule compared to Zionist international banks. They don’t even come close to the power in lobbying that AIPAC and a couple of dozen more Jewish extremist organizations have. Jewish lobbyists literally get almost unanimous support in Congress for outrageous giveaways to Israel, a nation that has committed terrorism against us and killed or maimed scores of Americans. I am not talking about contracts here, I am speaking about giving away billions of dollars to a foreign nation. So, so much for the media-popularized term, the military-industrial complex In direct political money and lobbying then, Zionists are the undisputed masters of the American political establishment. In addition to their control through the use of money as an inducement or a threat, they have tens of thousands of Jewish extremists scattered throughout the entire bureaucracy who are very conscious of supporting their brethren and supporting the organized Jewish agenda. They also are ready to act against any Gentile who dares to go against Israel or the Jewish agenda. How will a Jewish federal judge rule in a huge litigation issue between Jewish and non-Jewish parties? Why was the biggest robber in the history of the world, Bernie Madoff who stole over 50 billion dollars and who ruined tens of thousands of families, only charged with one criminal count, and allowed to stay in his luxury apartment to await trial? Is there an organized Jewish agenda? Absolutely. In fact, the leading and most powerful Jewish groups have a supra-organization called the Council of Presidents (composed of the most powerful 5 dozen Jewish organizations in America). They issue detailed positions not just on Mideast policy but on many other issues that have nothing to do with Israel, aspects of domestic policy including issues such as opening America’s borders. They even assume positions on issues that you wouldn’t even think would have unanimity among Jews, such as abortion rights. Their job is to make sure that Jewish power is absolutely united on what they decide are their common agendas. Next, we must talk about one of the most influential parts of the American political process, the mass media. The media, such as the NY Times and the Washington Post (the newspaper read by every member of America’s government and bureaucracy in Washington). The Washington Post can determine even what issues Congress will discuss and it greatly affects the publicity for or against those issues. Broadcast and cable television also have an enormous impact, and we can include movies, books, magazines and the newspaper chains that reach down into almost every American community. As my chapters in Jewish Supremacism on “Jewish Media Supremacy” document, the ownership, depth and breadth of Jewish influence in the media is simply breathtaking. In media, whether you speak of owners, administrators, managers, editors, producers, writers, correspondents, pundits and reporters, there is an army of Jews who are animated by the Holocaust and the issues of the organized Jewish community. If you haven’t yet read them, you simply must see the evidence on the Jewish supremacy in media I have compiled in my books Jewish Supremacism and My Awakening. The other great seat of establishment power is simply money, huge sums of money and the willingness to use those funds on behalf of an agenda. The biggest concentrations of wealth in the world today are in the Zionist international banks, and in financial groups that the Jews completely control such as the Federal Reserve Corporation, the same forces that have led us to the doorstep of a great depression. It is no accident that Alan Greenspan and Ben Shalom Bernanke are the last two of the Federal Reserve czars. Even in days of World War I, an immensely rich, Jewish international banker, Jacob Schiff, voiced pride in the fact that he was instrumental in weakening Czarist Russia (the government that Jews universally hated), and that he supported Russia’s enemies so as to make Russia ripe for communist overthrow (Jewish groups brag of his help to Japan in the Russo-Japanese War so as to hurt the Russian government). Schiff also gave millions of dollars to directly finance the Jews who led and organized the Russian revolution and the Bolshevik terror in Russia. There is no disputing of these facts. Plenty of Jewish history books detail all of it. So, frankly, financial power in the control of people who will use it for an agenda is also a key ingredient of real power. Again, the financial power in the hands of modern day Jacob Schiff’s, is an incredibly powerful weapon. So forget about the “Military-Industrial Complex.” That is passe. In today’s world it makes more sense to speak about the “Political, Financial and Media Zionist complex.” That is the real core of power that bends everything whether it be local laws, or giant corporations, to its will. Even if one of the world’s richest firms, such as Microsoft (which is now by the way run by a Jewish extremist), would buck the political, financial, and media Zionist complex, it would be broken by government fiat, the Jewish-influenced courts (such as anti-trust actions), and by vicious attacks by the Jewish-influenced media. Microsoft would either be dismembered or destroyed. Such are the realities of the modern world. There is no longer a “military industrial complex,” but there is a Political and media and financial Zionist complex that rules us and aims to control the whole world. No single part of this behemoth can be defeated, because it can use its other assets to defend the section under attack. It can only be brought down by concentrating all our political and ideological fire right on the core the problem, International Zionism and its driving impetus: Jewish Supremacism. —Dr. David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/forget-the-military-industrial-complex-today-its-the-political-financial-and-media-zionist-complex_7394.html ---- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites 1/29/2009 The main argument for affirmative action is that institutions should reflect racial percentages of population, if not there must be de facto racial discrimination. Here is the breakdown of students by race at America’s premier university, Obama’s alma mater, Harvard. Even though non-Jewish White Americans are almost 70 percent of the population and on average score much higher on entrance exams, they are only about 22 percent of the Harvard student body. So what race is really the victim of racial discrimination? For those who are truly dedicated to stopping racial discrimination, what are you going to do about this massive discrimination, or does it not matter to you because White people happen to be the victims? The hidden, massive racial discrimination that goes on in America against White people! A U.S. Government study offers proof that European Americans face massive institutional racial discrimination that affects millions of the most talented and educated of our people Introduction by Dr. David Duke – As most of you know, the term “white supremacist” has become literally a prefix of my name when I am in the news. It is the media’s way to condition readers not to pay attention to what I say because I am a “white supremacist.” The truth is I am not a White supremacist, and I seek no supremacy or control over any people, but I do demand that the rights of people of European descent to be respected as much as any other people’s rights. The fact is that in the United States of America, Canada, the UK in many areas of Europe Whites face a powerful state-sanctioned, and often mandated, racial discrimination against White people who are better-qualified than their non-White counterparts. It may be surprising to some reading this, but millions of discriminated against Whites are often poorer and who face more difficult social situations than many of their non-White counterparts who are being given preference over them. It also affects the most talented of our people. Many Whites are under the mistaken impression that the White victims of racial discrimination are mostly from the low income and low IQ sectors of the population. Nothing could be further from the truth. In actuality, the percentages of Whites who are victims of racial discrimination are much higher in the sectors of the White population with the highest intelligence and greatest abilities. The facts are shocking, but true. Most people know that most universities have programs of admittance that give less-qualified minorities preference over better-qualified Whites. Almost all of the Fortune 500 largest corporations have affirmative action and diversity programs that discriminate against White people, both male and female, in hiring. They also have programs of discrimination that favor non-Whites in promotions and advancement. This is true in the academic area as well. You can look at almost any academic department of any American university and you will see in place a strong racial bias for “minorities” in preface over Whites in hiring and advancement. Whether you are talking about a university History, English or Math department in almost any university these policies are in place and powerful. These racial discriminatory policies are real, and they can be easily proven to exist. But, now we thanks to a government study, there is even a more powerful way to show their real impact on tens of mi llions of White Americans. The brilliant economist and author whose pen name is Yggdrasil has compiled the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (NLSY) 1979, which was a massive study conducted by the Department of Labor to track the lives of 155,000 Americans by race, IQ, income, education and other factors to see how remedial efforts for minorities were doing. It was done after the installation of so called “affirmative action” programs which gave preference to non-White groups over whites. The NLSY study is meant to follow this huge sampling for their entire lives to see how diversity is working out for America. The data is from this ongoing study is tangible proof of the horrendous level of racial discrimination going on against White people. I will link you to Yggdrasil’s fine paper in a moment, but let me first give you a couple of snippets from his work that proves the existence of massive racial discrimination going on against our people. Here is a chart showing the ethnic breakdown of the most prestigious university in the United States of America: Harvard. America’s premier university is extremely expensive (unless you receive special grants and scholarships) and a degree from it just about guarantees its graduates the best paid and prestigious jobs America has to offer. Affirmative action advocates have long said the companies or institutions that don’t reflect the actual racial population percentages are de facto racist and discriminatory. So what is the situation at Harvard, non-Jewish Whites who are about 70 pecent of the American population are only about 22 percent of the Harvard student body. One should first consider the fact that Whites are represented in the top two percentile level on college admission tests on an average that is a 5 times higher rate than non-White groups. If one then factors in the fact that Whites are also 70 percent of the population, there should be at least 25 times more Whites who would be better qualified than the non-White students currently at Harvard. But even though these Whites are the best and brightest America has to offer they are limited to only 20 percent of Harvard students! Such is nothing more than blatant, racial discrimination. Another interesting fact one can gleam from this chart and many in the NLSY studies that Jewish over-representation is not based simply on the fact that Jews have a high intelligence, they often do twice as well as their intelligence bracket would indicate. Such would suggest the intra-tribal support system for group cohesion and advancements aids their success rate. The NLSY data also shows how incomes today in the USA correlate with race and intelligence. Let’s take a look NLSY tracking studies of intelligent White women, these are White women in the 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket as compared to Black women in that same high 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket. The average Black females of that IQ level earned an average of approximately $54,000 per year through 1996, whereas White females on the same IQ level earned only half of that amount, about $28,000 per year through 1996. When White women in the same intelligent bracket of Black women earn half of the average amount that the Black women do, that’s real racial discrimination. I am not referring here to a few White women who are at least equally qualified but getting half the salary that Black women do, I am talking about the average White women in America! The NLSY is a big enough sample that reflects the whole nation. In fact it is meant to. The average White woman of high intelligence earns one-half of what Black women do of the same intelligence! I obviously don’t like this racial discrimination against our people. Neither does the economist Yggdrasil. We advocate that the best person regardless of race gets whatever college admission or job or promotion their abilities dictate. We have no fear of how well our people will do on a fair playing field. Because we stand for true civil rights, human rights in the matter, we are called racists, and the real capper: “white supremacists.” There are many people in America and around the world who are ignorant of the facts of anti-White racial discrimination. The media acts like it doesn’t exist. Even after the election of an affirmative action African-American President, America is still painted as an anti-Black racist country. The truth is that European Americans are facing racial discrimination in the very institutions and nation that our forefathers created. Our movement is truly a liberation movement like any other in the world that strives for a people to free and live in society of our own values rather than oppressive society imposed upon us. We are not racists or supremacists trying to deny the rights of others. We are human rights activists defending our people’s rights and heritage. –Dr. David Duke Source & Charts : http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-real-racial-discrimination-that-goes-on-in-america_7407.html ----- Obama’s Mideast Jewish Wet Dream Team George Mitchell is the new American envoy now in the Mideast. Who is Mitchell and who are the key players in Obama’s Mideast policy team? First, let’s examine the major players on the Obama foreign policy team. Roger Cohen writing in The New York Times on January 11, 2009 wrote some things that if he were a Gentile would have earned him some attacks as an “anti-Semite.” He pointed out the incredible top-heavy pro-Zionist content of the team which is supposed to broker a fair and just peace in the Mideast. In discussing the team he identified them with these words: They include Dennis Ross (the veteran Clinton administration Mideast peace envoy who may now extend his brief to Iran) [a long-time Jewish Zionist]; James Steinberg [Jewish Zionist] (as deputy secretary of state) ; Dan Kurtzer [Jewish Zionist] (the former U.S. ambassador to Israel); Dan Shapiro [Jewish Zionist] (a longtime aide to Obama); and Martin Indyk [Jewish Zionist] another former ambassador to Israel who is close to the incoming secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.) Now, I have nothing against smart, driven, liberal, Jewish (or half-Jewish) males; I’ve looked in the mirror. I know or have talked to all these guys, except Shapiro. They’re knowledgeable, broad-minded and determined. Still, on the diversity front they fall short. On the change-you-can-believe-in front, they also leave something to be desired. Cohen did not even mention that the two closest advisers to Obama, the guys that filter almost everything that Obama see and hears and makes the day to day decisions of running the oval office. They are David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel, two long time dedicated Jewish extremists. Emmanuel, son of an Irgun terrorist and named after another Irgun terrorist, even fought in the Israeli Army. Now we come to the new envoy to the Mideast, George Mitchell of Maine, the man who is supposed to be a broadminded and just arbitrator between Israel and the Palestinians. The Jewish-influenced has made a big point of Mitchell’s Lebanese ancestry. What the Zionist media doesn’t tell you is that he has been completely under the control of AIPAC and radical Zionists for years. As Senate Majority Leader he rammed through everything Israel wanted. He even supported the Senate resolution that gave Israel unconditional support during the Zionist massacre of thousands of Gaza civilians. In fact, originally an appointee to the Senate, Mitchell owes his entire Senate career on the massive support given him in 1982 and since by AIPAC and 27 other Jewish extremist controlled political action committees that AIPAC arranged. AIPAC’s Tom Dine summarized AIPAC’s success in Mitchell’s election by saying that “American Jews are thus able to form our own foreign policy agenda.” Of course, Dine spoke the complete and unvarnished truth. American and Israeli extremist Jews do indeed control the foreign policy of the United States. Such control has long gone on in concert with past U.S. Presidents and it goes on today with Obama. Only difference is that today there is a greater danger because many in America and around the world falsely believe that Obama represents change. With the incredible respect and adulation given to Obama, he is in a much better position to support the Zionist war agenda and ultimately do far more harm than a discredited George Bush. Hold on to your hats, America. I predict Obama will usher in war and conflagration that will make George Bush’s presidency seem mild in comparison. He has already announced a doubling of American troops in Afghanistan. Can a catastrophic war with Iran be far behind? Jewish extremists want this war and Obama is completely under their control! – Dr. David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/who-is-on-obamas-dream-team-for-mideast-peace_7380.html ------------------------------------- You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to the Lawrence Auster Newletter. 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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Lawrence Auster wrote: > The "Military, Industrial Complex" is no more. Today it is the Political,= Financial and Media =97 Zionist Complex! > 1/28/2009 > > An short essay by Dr. David Duke > > The "Military-Industrial complex" really has no relevance to the real hol= ders of global power today. > > America is the most powerful military and economic nation on earth. The p= owers that control the levers of political power in America possess the gre= atest power the world has ever seen. > > Who really has power over the government today? Is it the fabled "Militar= y, Industrial Complex"? > > An effective gauge of direct political power in America is "to discover w= ho provided the pivotal amounts of the billion-dollar recent campaigns for = U.S. President. You can look directly at campaign contributions for every c= andidate from the Federal Election Commission in order to find out who hold= s the real power in politics. > > So, who holds the real power over the American political establishment? > > Let's first look at who does not hold much power over the establishment. > > 1) It is not the military. There is not any organized military monetary i= nfluence or even significant political influence of the military over the p= oliticians. In fact, no one in military positions of authority are allowed = to openly get involved in politics. No active sergeant, lieutenant, or Gene= ral can send out a directive to the men under him to support or oppose a pa= rticular candidate (the one exception I know to that was when the Louisiana= commanding general of the National Guard, under Jewish influence, sent a l= etter to all national guardsmen telling them that it was their "patriotic d= uty" to vote against David Duke and for the Liberal corrupt former Governor= , Edwin Edwards. Even that caused a scandal in military circles, as it shou= ld have. > > 2) It is NOT major manufacturing or even the huge oil companies. There wa= s not one oil company and only a couple of legitimate manufacturing or indu= strial concerns on Obama and McCain's top twenty contributor list. The list= was completely dominated by Zionist international banking firms. If one co= mbines every defense contractor's contributions the money they give in poli= tics is minuscule compared to Zionist international banks. They don't even = come close to the power in lobbying that AIPAC and a couple of dozen more J= ewish extremist organizations have. Jewish lobbyists literally get almost u= nanimous support in Congress for outrageous giveaways to Israel, a nation t= hat has committed terrorism against us and killed or maimed scores of Ameri= cans. I am not talking about contracts here, I am speaking about giving awa= y billions of dollars to a foreign nation. > > So, so much for the media-popularized term, the military-industrial compl= ex > > In direct political money and lobbying then, Zionists are the undisputed = masters of the American political establishment. In addition to their contr= ol through the use of money as an inducement or a threat, they have tens of= thousands of Jewish extremists scattered throughout the entire bureaucracy= who are very conscious of supporting their brethren and supporting the org= anized Jewish agenda. They also are ready to act against any Gentile who da= res to go against Israel or the Jewish agenda. > > How will a Jewish federal judge rule in a huge litigation issue between J= ewish and non-Jewish parties? Why was the biggest robber in the history of = the world, Bernie Madoff who stole over 50 billion dollars and who ruined t= ens of thousands of families, only charged with one criminal count, and all= owed to stay in his luxury apartment to await trial? > > Is there an organized Jewish agenda? Absolutely. In fact, the leading and= most powerful Jewish groups have a supra-organization called the Council o= f Presidents (composed of the most powerful 5 dozen Jewish organizations in= America). They issue detailed positions not just on Mideast policy but on = many other issues that have nothing to do with Israel, aspects of domestic = policy including issues such as opening America's borders. They even assume= positions on issues that you wouldn't even think would have unanimity amon= g Jews, such as abortion rights. Their job is to make sure that Jewish powe= r is absolutely united on what they decide are their common agendas. > > Next, we must talk about one of the most influential parts of the America= n political process, the mass media. The media, such as the NY Times and th= e Washington Post (the newspaper read by every member of America's governme= nt and bureaucracy in Washington). > > The Washington Post can determine even what issues Congress will discuss = and it greatly affects the publicity for or against those issues. Broadcast= and cable television also have an enormous impact, and we can include movi= es, books, magazines and the newspaper chains that reach down into almost e= very American community. As my chapters in Jewish Supremacism on "Jewish Me= dia Supremacy" document, the ownership, depth and breadth of Jewish influen= ce in the media is simply breathtaking. > > In media, whether you speak of owners, administrators, managers, editors,= producers, writers, correspondents, pundits and reporters, there is an arm= y of Jews who are animated by the Holocaust and the issues of the organized= Jewish community. If you haven't yet read them, you simply must see the ev= idence on the Jewish supremacy in media I have compiled in my books Jewish = Supremacism and My Awakening. > > The other great seat of establishment power is simply money, huge sums of= money and the willingness to use those funds on behalf of an agenda. The b= iggest concentrations of wealth in the world today are in the Zionist inter= national banks, and in financial groups that the Jews completely control su= ch as the Federal Reserve Corporation, the same forces that have led us to = the doorstep of a great depression. It is no accident that Alan Greenspan a= nd Ben Shalom Bernanke are the last two of the Federal Reserve czars. > > Even in days of World War I, an immensely rich, Jewish international bank= er, Jacob Schiff, voiced pride in the fact that he was instrumental in weak= ening Czarist Russia (the government that Jews universally hated), and that= he supported Russia's enemies so as to make Russia ripe for communist over= throw (Jewish groups brag of his help to Japan in the Russo-Japanese War so= as to hurt the Russian government). Schiff also gave millions of dollars t= o directly finance the Jews who led and organized the Russian revolution an= d the Bolshevik terror in Russia. There is no disputing of these facts. Ple= nty of Jewish history books detail all of it. > > So, frankly, financial power in the control of people who will use it for= an agenda is also a key ingredient of real power. Again, the financial pow= er in the hands of modern day Jacob Schiff's, is an incredibly powerful wea= pon. > > So forget about the "Military-Industrial Complex." That is passe. > > In today's world it makes more sense to speak about the "Political, Finan= cial and Media Zionist complex." That is the real core of power that bends = everything whether it be local laws, or giant corporations, to its will. Ev= en if one of the world's richest firms, such as Microsoft (which is now by = the way run by a Jewish extremist), would buck the political, financial, an= d media Zionist complex, it would be broken by government fiat, the Jewish-= influenced courts (such as anti-trust actions), and by vicious attacks by t= he Jewish-influenced media. Microsoft would either be dismembered or destro= yed. > > Such are the realities of the modern world. > > There is no longer a "military industrial complex," but there is a Politi= cal and media and financial Zionist complex that rules us and aims to contr= ol the whole world. > > No single part of this behemoth can be defeated, because it can use its o= ther assets to defend the section under attack. It can only be brought down= by concentrating all our political and ideological fire right on the core = the problem, International Zionism and its driving impetus: Jewish Supremac= ism. > > =97Dr. David Duke > > Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/forget-the-military-industrial-= complex-today-its-the-political-financial-and-media-zionist-complex_7394.ht= ml > > ---- > > The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites > 1/29/2009 > > The main argument for affirmative action is that institutions should refl= ect racial percentages of population, if not there must be de facto racial = discrimination. Here is the breakdown of students by race at America's prem= ier university, Obama's alma mater, Harvard. Even though non-Jewish White A= mericans are almost 70 percent of the population and on average score much = higher on entrance exams, they are only about 22 percent of the Harvard stu= dent body. So what race is really the victim of racial discrimination? For = those who are truly dedicated to stopping racial discrimination, what are y= ou going to do about this massive discrimination, or does it not matter to = you because White people happen to be the victims? > > The hidden, massive racial discrimination that goes on in America against= White people! > > A U.S. Government study offers proof that European Americans face massive= institutional racial discrimination that affects millions of the most tale= nted and educated of our people > > Introduction by Dr. David Duke =96 As most of you know, the term "white s= upremacist" has become literally a prefix of my name when I am in the news.= It is the media's way to condition readers not to pay attention to what I = say because I am a "white supremacist." The truth is I am not a White supre= macist, and I seek no supremacy or control over any people, but I do demand= that the rights of people of European descent to be respected as much as a= ny other people's rights. > > The fact is that in the United States of America, Canada, the UK in many = areas of Europe Whites face a powerful state-sanctioned, and often mandated= , racial discrimination against White people who are better-qualified than = their non-White counterparts. It may be surprising to some reading this, bu= t millions of discriminated against Whites are often poorer and who face mo= re difficult social situations than many of their non-White counterparts wh= o are being given preference over them. > > It also affects the most talented of our people. Many Whites are under t= he mistaken impression that the White victims of racial discrimination are = mostly from the low income and low IQ sectors of the population. Nothing co= uld be further from the truth. In actuality, the percentages of Whites who = are victims of racial discrimination are much higher in the sectors of the = White population with the highest intelligence and greatest abilities. The = facts are shocking, but true. > > Most people know that most universities have programs of admittance that = give less-qualified minorities preference over better-qualified Whites. Alm= ost all of the Fortune 500 largest corporations have affirmative action and= diversity programs that discriminate against White people, both male and f= emale, in hiring. They also have programs of discrimination that favor non-= Whites in promotions and advancement. This is true in the academic area as = well. You can look at almost any academic department of any American univer= sity and you will see in place a strong racial bias for "minorities" in pre= face over Whites in hiring and advancement. Whether you are talking about a= university History, English or Math department in almost any university th= ese policies are in place and powerful. These racial discriminatory policie= s are real, and they can be easily proven to exist. But, now we thanks to a= government study, there is even a more powerful way to show their real imp= act on tens of mi > llions of White Americans. > > The brilliant economist and author whose pen name is Yggdrasil has compil= ed the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (NLSY) 1979, whi= ch was a massive study conducted by the Department of Labor to track the li= ves of 155,000 Americans by race, IQ, income, education and other factors t= o see how remedial efforts for minorities were doing. > > It was done after the installation of so called "affirmative action" prog= rams which gave preference to non-White groups over whites. The NLSY study = is meant to follow this huge sampling for their entire lives to see how div= ersity is working out for America. The data is from this ongoing study is t= angible proof of the horrendous level of racial discrimination going on aga= inst White people. I will link you to Yggdrasil's fine paper in a moment, b= ut let me first give you a couple of snippets from his work that proves the= existence of massive racial discrimination going on against our people. > > Here is a chart showing the ethnic breakdown of the most prestigious univ= ersity in the United States of America: Harvard. America's premier universi= ty is extremely expensive (unless you receive special grants and scholarshi= ps) and a degree from it just about guarantees its graduates the best paid = and prestigious jobs America has to offer. > > Affirmative action advocates have long said the companies or institutions= that don't reflect the actual racial population percentages are de facto r= acist and discriminatory. So what is the situation at Harvard, non-Jewish W= hites who are about 70 pecent of the American population are only about 22 = percent of the Harvard student body. > > One should first consider the fact that Whites are represented in the top= two percentile level on college admission tests on an average that is a 5 = times higher rate than non-White groups. If one then factors in the fact th= at Whites are also 70 percent of the population, there should be at least 2= 5 times more Whites who would be better qualified than the non-White studen= ts currently at Harvard. But even though these Whites are the best and brig= htest America has to offer they are limited to only 20 percent of Harvard s= tudents! Such is nothing more than blatant, racial discrimination. Another = interesting fact one can gleam from this chart and many in the NLSY studies= that Jewish over-representation is not based simply on the fact that Jews = have a high intelligence, they often do twice as well as their intelligence= bracket would indicate. Such would suggest the intra-tribal support system= for group cohesion and advancements aids their success rate. > > The NLSY data also shows how incomes today in the USA correlate with race= and intelligence. Let's take a look NLSY tracking studies of intelligent W= hite women, these are White women in the 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket as com= pared to Black women in that same high 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket. The ave= rage Black females of that IQ level earned an average of approximately $54,= 000 per year through 1996, whereas White females on the same IQ level earne= d only half of that amount, about $28,000 per year through 1996. > > When White women in the same intelligent bracket of Black women earn half= of the average amount that the Black women do, that's real racial discrimi= nation. > > I am not referring here to a few White women who are at least equally qua= lified but getting half the salary that Black women do, I am talking about = the average White women in America! The NLSY is a big enough sample that re= flects the whole nation. In fact it is meant to. The average White woman of= high intelligence earns one-half of what Black women do of the same intell= igence! > > I obviously don't like this racial discrimination against our people. Nei= ther does the economist Yggdrasil. We advocate that the best person regardl= ess of race gets whatever college admission or job or promotion their abili= ties dictate. We have no fear of how well our people will do on a fair play= ing field. Because we stand for true civil rights, human rights in the matt= er, we are called racists, and the real capper: "white supremacists." > > There are many people in America and around the world who are ignorant of= the facts of anti-White racial discrimination. The media acts like it does= n't exist. Even after the election of an affirmative action African-America= n President, America is still painted as an anti-Black racist country. The = truth is that European Americans are facing racial discrimination in the ve= ry institutions and nation that our forefathers created. Our movement is tr= uly a liberation movement like any other in the world that strives for a pe= ople to free and live in society of our own values rather than oppressive s= ociety imposed upon us. > > We are not racists or supremacists trying to deny the rights of others. > > We are human rights activists defending our people's rights and heritage. > > =96Dr. David Duke > Source & Charts : http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-real-racial-discr= imination-that-goes-on-in-america_7407.html > > ----- > > Obama's Mideast Jewish Wet Dream Team > > George Mitchell is the new American envoy now in the Mideast. Who is Mitc= hell and who are the key players in Obama's Mideast policy team? > > First, let's examine the major players on the Obama foreign policy team. = Roger Cohen writing in The New York Times on January 11, 2009 wrote some th= ings that if he were a Gentile would have earned him some attacks as an "an= ti-Semite." He pointed out the incredible top-heavy pro-Zionist content of = the team which is supposed to broker a fair and just peace in the Mideast. = In discussing the team he identified them with these words: > > They include Dennis Ross (the veteran Clinton administration Mideast peac= e envoy who may now extend his brief to Iran) [a long-time Jewish Zionist]= ; James Steinberg [Jewish Zionist] (as deputy secretary of state) ; Dan Kur= tzer [Jewish Zionist] (the former U.S. ambassador to Israel); Dan Shapiro [= Jewish Zionist] (a longtime aide to Obama); and Martin Indyk [Jewish Zionis= t] another former ambassador to Israel who is close to the incoming secreta= ry of state, Hillary Clinton.) > > Now, I have nothing against smart, driven, liberal, Jewish (or half-Jewis= h) males; I've looked in the mirror. I know or have talked to all these guy= s, except Shapiro. They're knowledgeable, broad-minded and determined. Stil= l, on the diversity front they fall short. On the change-you-can-believe-in= front, they also leave something to be desired. > > Cohen did not even mention that the two closest advisers to Obama, the gu= ys that filter almost everything that Obama see and hears and makes the day= to day decisions of running the oval office. They are David Axelrod and Ra= hm Emmanuel, two long time dedicated Jewish extremists. Emmanuel, son of an= Irgun terrorist and named after another Irgun terrorist, even fought in th= e Israeli Army. > > Now we come to the new envoy to the Mideast, George Mitchell of Maine, th= e man who is supposed to be a broadminded and just arbitrator between Israe= l and the Palestinians. The Jewish-influenced has made a big point of Mitch= ell's Lebanese ancestry. What the Zionist media doesn't tell you is that he= has been completely under the control of AIPAC and radical Zionists for ye= ars. > > As Senate Majority Leader he rammed through everything Israel wanted. He = even supported the Senate resolution that gave Israel unconditional support= during the Zionist massacre of thousands of Gaza civilians. In fact, origi= nally an appointee to the Senate, Mitchell owes his entire Senate career on= the massive support given him in 1982 and since by AIPAC and 27 other Jewi= sh extremist controlled political action committees that AIPAC arranged. AI= PAC's Tom Dine summarized AIPAC's success in Mitchell's election by saying = that "American Jews are thus able to form our own foreign policy agenda." > > Of course, Dine spoke the complete and unvarnished truth. American and Is= raeli extremist Jews do indeed control the foreign policy of the United Sta= tes. Such control has long gone on in concert with past U.S. Presidents and= it goes on today with Obama. Only difference is that today there is a grea= ter danger because many in America and around the world falsely believe tha= t Obama represents change. With the incredible respect and adulation given = to Obama, he is in a much better position to support the Zionist war agenda= and ultimately do far more harm than a discredited George Bush. > > Hold on to your hats, America. I predict Obama will usher in war and conf= lagration that will make George Bush's presidency seem mild in comparison. = He has already announced a doubling of American troops in Afghanistan. Can = a catastrophic war with Iran be far behind? Jewish extremists want this war= and Obama is completely under their control! > > =96 Dr. David Duke > > Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/who-is-on-obamas-dream-team-for= -mideast-peace_7380.html > > > > ------------------------------------- > You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to the Law= rence Auster > Newletter. If you wish to unsubscribe from our mailing list, please let u= s know by calling "to 1 212 865 1284 > > Thanks, > > Lawrence Auster, > 238 W 101 St Apt. 3B > New York, NY 10025 > Contact: lawrence.auster@att.net > ------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-pf@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-pf > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-pf-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 09:45:47 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECBF106575B for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivanatora@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDE28FC1F for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:45:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ivanatora@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so236323ele.13 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:45:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dCn6ZOO7+7OwKNjz3hEblxLZzf0WDj4Fm+IH09emSM4=; b=jDJ3boAwKltneAIbr2KZ5Voua5Ygo2Y/yC1PBP8AFy/oQUCRbcz2jN5Stp960oM7oZ JDA0MQGPqMukeqdJ9I1Ukj4HIczIys6xhbrQAad+y3CLhubPNeRRPF2u1fMp/9ej5jb0 O8GhYcnlHHl7YD0gHpl6uX4FooP05EvwuyOvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WFJ8vmmL1t89WPhEI4zs27X4bGpwyU1vmNd4vYoJqayYZiKO5QK1wY9hmuIXXCsZCz CU3KS1R5TExIOd9d15DGLSVX2I7XOOG+i81oyncMejojRy1dplLq5dI4OV+ZBa2Axjet 6gsNiWC2Z8eA4K8sTFppbmRD8ewIFwHBI3Uvw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.45.2 with SMTP id x2mr168864ybj.144.1233308746203; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:45:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4982A23B.6020809@radel.com> References: <20090129220509.LWGL12540.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <4982A23B.6020809@radel.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:45:46 +0200 Message-ID: From: Ivan Petrushev To: Jon Radel , freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: =?windows-1252?q?Re=3A_The_=93Military=2C_Industrial_Complex=94_?= =?windows-1252?q?is_no_more_--_The_Hidden_Massive_Racial_Discrimin?= =?windows-1252?q?ation_in_America_against_Whites?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:45:47 -0000 So there is not spam protection or whatever installed on the software servicing the mail list? Abuse control? User registration approval? On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Jon Radel wrote: > Ivan Petrushev wrote: >> Excuse me, why such a spam comes to the members of freebsd-pf mail list? >> >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Lawrence Auster >> wrote: > ....crap trimmed.... > > Oh, for heaven's sake get a grip. DO NOT SEND THE WHOLE LOAD OF CRAP TO > ALL OF US YET AGAIN! At very least, learn to trim. > > As to your question: Because somebody sent it to the mailing list. > Doh! There are a lot of these going to many technical mailing lists, > many with forged return addresses. > > --Jon Radel > > From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 10:09:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33943106568E for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B954A8FC14 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from vampire.homelinux.org (dslb-088-066-035-175.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.66.35.175]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1LSqJj0PYq-00020N; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:09:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 7452 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 10:09:41 -0000 Received: from fbsd8.laiers.local (192.168.4.200) by laiers.local with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 10:09:41 -0000 From: Max Laier Organization: FreeBSD To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:09:41 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.4 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.1.4; i386; ; ) References: <20090129220509.LWGL12540.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <4982A23B.6020809@radel.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200901301109.41392.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+ux05lnTxV5dFMnhsn0IRPN6Q3LFZ4q1hMnTc 2yfcQ5+6Ux5rPXd5olgSpkBYLwnWv9Sw8T/JJqUlStrS4hdWtJ JDkwGzFclUr/u/JT7PkUw== Cc: Subject: Re: Spam X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:09:45 -0000 On Friday 30 January 2009 10:45:46 Ivan Petrushev wrote: > So there is not spam protection or whatever installed on the software > servicing the mail list? Abuse control? User registration approval? The FreeBSD mailing lists have a very high S:N ratio thanks to the excellent job of our postmasters. Every now and then, however, spam does slip through. Your whining doesn't help the matter in any way - esp. if you requote the message. > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Jon Radel wrote: > > Ivan Petrushev wrote: > >> Excuse me, why such a spam comes to the members of freebsd-pf mail list? > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Lawrence Auster > >> wrote: > > > > ....crap trimmed.... > > > > Oh, for heaven's sake get a grip. DO NOT SEND THE WHOLE LOAD OF CRAP TO > > ALL OF US YET AGAIN! At very least, learn to trim. > > > > As to your question: Because somebody sent it to the mailing list. > > Doh! There are a lot of these going to many technical mailing lists, > > many with forged return addresses. > > > > --Jon Radel > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-pf@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-pf > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-pf-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > !DSPAM:4982cc5c68861640720005! -- /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 10:29:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF91106564A for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from inf0s@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (mail.1command.com [75.160.109.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7238FC30 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from inf0s@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (localhost.1command.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id n0UA2KE5000740 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:02:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from inf0s@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id n0UA2JiF000739 for freebsd-pf@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:02:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from inf0s@1command.com) Received: from hitme.hitometer.net (hitme.hitometer.net [75.160.109.235]) by webmail.1command.com (H.R. Communications Messaging System) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:02:19 -0800 Message-ID: <20090130020219.beajlt1j40080w8w@webmail.1command.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:02:19 -0800 From: inf0s@1command.com To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org References: <20090129220509.LWGL12540.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <4982A23B.6020809@radel.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: H.R. Communications Internet Messaging System (HCIMS) 4.1 Professional (not for redistribution) / UNIX Subject: Re: The ?Military, Industrial Complex? is no more -- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:29:09 -0000 The /real/ question here; is why there isn't /more/ spam on this list - really. I've been working on an anti-spam solution for about 9 months. It's a completely automated system. In the first 3 months it had garnered over 5 million spam sources - that's over 5 million IP addresses. Each and every IP was an /actual/ spam source - not one false positive. So, given all the lists they manage here, it's nothing but remarkable that we're not seeing more spam than we do. In my opinion, after being on this list for several years, we see damn little spam. Best wishes. --Chris Quoting Ivan Petrushev : > So there is not spam protection or whatever installed on the software > servicing the mail list? Abuse control? User registration approval? > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Jon Radel wrote: >> Ivan Petrushev wrote: >>> Excuse me, why such a spam comes to the members of freebsd-pf mail list? >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Lawrence Auster >>> wrote: >> ....crap trimmed.... >> >> Oh, for heaven's sake get a grip. DO NOT SEND THE WHOLE LOAD OF CRAP TO >> ALL OF US YET AGAIN! At very least, learn to trim. >> >> As to your question: Because somebody sent it to the mailing list. >> Doh! There are a lot of these going to many technical mailing lists, >> many with forged return addresses. >> >> --Jon Radel >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-pf@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-pf > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-pf-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-pf@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 30 15:45:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3EE10657DF for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52208FC0A for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 8335330; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:45:13 -0500 Received: from [192.168.43.221] (account jon@radel.com HELO braeburn.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 8335328; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:44:59 -0500 Message-ID: <4983207A.3070502@radel.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:44:58 -0500 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Petrushev References: <20090129220509.LWGL12540.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <4982A23B.6020809@radel.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030101070207040001020507" X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Cc: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Subject: OT Spam technology was: Re: The "Military, Industrial Complex" is no more -- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:45:15 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030101070207040001020507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ivan Petrushev wrote: > So there is not spam protection or whatever installed on the software > servicing the mail list? Abuse control? User registration approval? > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Jon Radel wrote: >> Ivan Petrushev wrote: >>> Excuse me, why such a spam comes to the members of freebsd-pf mail list? >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Lawrence Auster >>> wrote: >> ....crap trimmed.... >> >> Oh, for heaven's sake get a grip. DO NOT SEND THE WHOLE LOAD OF CRAP TO >> ALL OF US YET AGAIN! At very least, learn to trim. >> >> As to your question: Because somebody sent it to the mailing list. >> Doh! There are a lot of these going to many technical mailing lists, >> many with forged return addresses. >> >> --Jon Radel >> >> Hmmmm...that's about as useful as my asking why you were allowed to forward personal mail I sent to you on to this mailing list. (Heads up: many people consider that rather rude.) I'm not sure you've sufficiently thought through how a spam filter works. Suffice it to say, until there is some pattern of abuse established, there's not much an automated filter can do. You need some word choice, pattern of words, formatting style, source address, header, phone number, URL and/or some combination of these which has in some fashion been determined to be "bad". Consequently, the first couple examples of a soberly worded political statement really aren't going to trigger any automated spam filtering, no matter how far out on whichever fringe that statement might be to humans who can actually comprehend what it says. "Abuse control" Beautiful words. Describe what you mean with enough precision so that somebody can program something up that a brutally literal minded computer can follow. "User registration approval" Pray tell, unless the list managers pay for intensive background investigations for all new subscribers, how are they to reliably tell the difference between somebody who plans to send as many screeds as possible before being cut off and some PF fan boy just dying to drone on about why Cisco SIP fixup makes ASAs so inferior to what PF does? About the only way to keep this from ever happening is to have a moderated list which depends on security much stronger than the return address of the moderator. (This particular "set" of messages has been seen recently on some announcement lists where the sender simply forged the return address of a moderator.) However, a moderated list has costs of its own, requiring much volunteer or paid labor and, unless you pay for a staff of 6+, generally involving what can be substantial delays. All that said, there are various heuristic methods in play to increase the cost and reduce the probability of spamming on the FreeBSD mailing lists, which is why the noise from spam is so low. Lower even than the noise from people writing about the spam. And now I've finished adding noise. Respond privately, please, if you for whatever reason feel you have more to add to this discussion. And refrain, if you don't mind, from forwarding my personal mail to a mailing list. --Jon Radel --------------ms030101070207040001020507 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJMTCC AvMwggJcoAMCAQICEG2TkfF/93Sx9LCftry1D3YwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDMyNDE2NTkyMVoX DTA5MDMyNDE2NTkyMVowXjEOMAwGA1UEBBMFUmFkZWwxEzARBgNVBCoTCkpvbiBUaG9tYXMx GTAXBgNVBAMTEEpvbiBUaG9tYXMgUmFkZWwxHDAaBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDWpvbkByYWRlbC5j b20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDPdCxQufreHHDAI9YN2axx87Rf 0TK1PYFMlJHi4y1ebdAMPqR6M44bz+3m8YnKn1bmIf7dWyisWyAIQYCOhW/2r66o4MdF9qJ9 z5uhMy+28zaJP/Glg64C3WPM0VfveCgvu+ApEyf2JDbjc/hUomw8KpppgOcn1wX6PZGbhHVv eAvDTWJ0ugqo08Ny6GR0bsGvePmxdWSQq+0aGTHqA1I2EozJBZ8W5xlUtKe22j56i1Uw1ujk Rlosdu2PTs8QOY1OUHuLPnEV9EWtYF7g6bXDUDsJxypXZy9qTipPplYXjdWgkLVRvezri+BN kgin8UKhKLQ99vS25zrMFKu80g31AgMBAAGjKjAoMBgGA1UdEQQRMA+BDWpvbkByYWRlbC5j b20wDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQAR4u9o4CFvztyo0sZb3tCQIWYb 5U4jW9da3goVwWIkMz+qeCb2kiTQfsSmOdF9YJ8VTRdYW0l0fQbqL5JikVhaYeX85cpqZ3iA /PPJpfPtJw8g5jJOAROVAvxydMZXQYxyIBMV4HNG3qir44YnyfmJXkBtRFYWdxBc7bQpoZSZ jzCCAvMwggJcoAMCAQICEG2TkfF/93Sx9LCftry1D3YwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkG A1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNV BAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDMyNDE2NTky MVoXDTA5MDMyNDE2NTkyMVowXjEOMAwGA1UEBBMFUmFkZWwxEzARBgNVBCoTCkpvbiBUaG9t YXMxGTAXBgNVBAMTEEpvbiBUaG9tYXMgUmFkZWwxHDAaBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWDWpvbkByYWRl bC5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDPdCxQufreHHDAI9YN2axx 87Rf0TK1PYFMlJHi4y1ebdAMPqR6M44bz+3m8YnKn1bmIf7dWyisWyAIQYCOhW/2r66o4MdF 9qJ9z5uhMy+28zaJP/Glg64C3WPM0VfveCgvu+ApEyf2JDbjc/hUomw8KpppgOcn1wX6PZGb hHVveAvDTWJ0ugqo08Ny6GR0bsGvePmxdWSQq+0aGTHqA1I2EozJBZ8W5xlUtKe22j56i1Uw 1ujkRlosdu2PTs8QOY1OUHuLPnEV9EWtYF7g6bXDUDsJxypXZy9qTipPplYXjdWgkLVRvezr i+BNkgin8UKhKLQ99vS25zrMFKu80g31AgMBAAGjKjAoMBgGA1UdEQQRMA+BDWpvbkByYWRl bC5jb20wDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQAR4u9o4CFvztyo0sZb3tCQ IWYb5U4jW9da3goVwWIkMz+qeCb2kiTQfsSmOdF9YJ8VTRdYW0l0fQbqL5JikVhaYeX85cpq Z3iA/PPJpfPtJw8g5jJOAROVAvxydMZXQYxyIBMV4HNG3qir44YnyfmJXkBtRFYWdxBc7bQp oZSZjzCCAz8wggKooAMCAQICAQ0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcxKDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNp b24xJDAiBgNVBAMTG1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJ ARYccGVyc29uYWwtZnJlZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw0wMzA3MTcwMDAwMDBaFw0xMzA3 MTYyMzU5NTlaMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAo UHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBD QTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAxKY8VXNV+065yplaHmjAdQRwnd/p/6Me 7L3N9VvyGna9fww6YfK/Uc4B1OVQCjDXAmNaLIkVcI7dyfArhVqqP3FWy688Cwfn8R+RNiQq E88r1fOCdz0Dviv+uxg+B79AgAJk16emu59l0cUqVIUPSAR/p7bRPGEEQB5kGXJgt/sCAwEA AaOBlDCBkTASBgNVHRMBAf8ECDAGAQH/AgEAMEMGA1UdHwQ8MDowOKA2oDSGMmh0dHA6Ly9j cmwudGhhd3RlLmNvbS9UaGF3dGVQZXJzb25hbEZyZWVtYWlsQ0EuY3JsMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIB BjApBgNVHREEIjAgpB4wHDEaMBgGA1UEAxMRUHJpdmF0ZUxhYmVsMi0xMzgwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEFBQADgYEASIzRUIPqCy7MDaNmrGcPf6+svsIXoUOWlJ1/TCG4+DYfqi2fNi/A9BxQIJNw PP2t4WFiw9k6GX6EsZkbAMUaC4J0niVQlGLH2ydxVyWN3amcOY6MIE9lX5Xa9/eH1sYITq72 6jTlEBpbNU1341YheILcIRk13iSx0x1G/11fZU8xggNkMIIDYAIBATB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNU aGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQbZOR8X/3dLH0sJ+2vLUPdjAJ BgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBwzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEP Fw0wOTAxMzAxNTQ0NThaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBQGX74G9lhdVprfKg9Y34jyK9339DBS BgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xRTBDMAoGCCqGSIb3DQMHMA4GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgIAgDANBggqhkiG9w0D AgIBQDAHBgUrDgMCBzANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBKDCBhQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMXgwdjBiMQswCQYD VQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UE AxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEG2TkfF/93Sx9LCftry1 D3YwgYcGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMXigdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEG2TkfF/93Sx9LCftry1D3YwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEAznhX hHihlsvL9Nzqc+EgU2Xe03pwylOESraMTMM2Bm/gFmdeLL2SpjAD7z5BJooWORZWyj20V94v hkZ6MqRuivFAvuLMp9Uu8n55Nl0z3UJfdm8v7RKKGZjoFVO51X7HVk9ppiOHLFXCPh0WT05E C+LyRxWmLBV9zHInHYY+8g3UBLWB8Yd8DqkE/5CF5RXuLKJYpvlJfY6KQkZa5kkVjBHiTHbS UU2PXjvTJIo3PLXhtKa5H0QFAc272pqTiiwLbnzrG0u/ZLV6a8Y8/Pv8DliFblRONv7eWGRU kvl3+dYg9cxH1FA7uMW3F80wa3JXrNzKNylTQuSb14MIvNLt8AAAAAAAAA== --------------ms030101070207040001020507--