From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 29 16:11:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CA4106564A for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 16:11:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) Received: from sink.sics.se (sink.sics.se [193.10.64.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620DE8FC1E for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 16:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from P142.sics.se (h247n5-u-d1.ias.bredband.telia.com [78.72.169.247]) by sink.sics.se (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4TFgtk3001710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 May 2011 17:42:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) Received: from P142.sics.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by P142.sics.se (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4TFi0GB002286; Sun, 29 May 2011 17:44:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) Received: (from bengta@localhost) by P142.sics.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p4TFi0NV002285; Sun, 29 May 2011 17:44:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) From: Bengt Ahlgren To: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <4DDFF66A.5060505@sentex.net> (Mike Tancsa's message of "Fri, 27 May 2011 15:07:22 -0400") References: <201105271905.05137.tom@diogunix.com> <4DDFE606.70809@sentex.net> <201105272027.10437.tom@diogunix.com> <4DDFF66A.5060505@sentex.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 17:44:00 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: "tom@diogunix.com" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPRS/UMTS device for a FreeBSD notebook ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:11:59 -0000 Mike Tancsa writes: > On 5/27/2011 2:27 PM, tom@diogunix.com wrote: >> >> But first: How can I check whether or not a certain product / model will be >> supported by RELENG 8 ? Is there a list of devices anywhere hidden in RELENG >> 8 ? And if so, where can I find it ? > > > take a look at the man page for u3g. You can also look in the source > code. Often, to support slightly newer chipsets, you just need to add > the device IDs > > e.g. see > > /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/serial/u3g.c > > There are quite a few there. Also, some devices use a different driver, > especially Option can make use of the uhso driver. I dont have an > experience with that. I use the uhso driver with an Option ICON 7.2 (needed firmware update). It works very well indeed and much better than the ubsa driver I used before. With uhso you get a real network interface and thus don't need to fiddle around with ppp. You still get some serial ports with which you can do "at" commands to control the modem if you want to do that manually. Otherwise the uhsoctl program takes care of all that for you. At least on my laptop (Thinkpad X40), ppp over serial port didn't go faster than 300kbit/sec or so. With uhso I get much more. Bengt From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 29 16:53:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0851065670 for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 16:53:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446A38FC14 for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 16:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:910::29]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p4TGrhvI017603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 09:53:44 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id C886C1CC0B for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 09:53:43 -0700 (PDT) To: mobile@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 09:53:43 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20110529165343.C886C1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> Cc: Subject: Any experience with ThinkPad T420/T520 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:53:44 -0000 I'm about to order new laptop and I am looking at a Lenovo ThinkPad T520. Does anyone have experience with this model? Anything that should cause alarm? I plan on getting the nVidia 4200N graphics which should work with the nVidia driver. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 30 05:34:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFD6106566C for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 05:34:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89308FC0A for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 05:34:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.86.9] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QQv6z-0007Cx-Ft; Mon, 30 May 2011 07:33:57 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4U5Xt1R002465; Mon, 30 May 2011 07:33:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p4U5XqXn002464; Mon, 30 May 2011 07:33:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 07:33:52 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Bengt Ahlgren Message-ID: <20110530053352.GA2442@tinyCurrent> References: <201105271905.05137.tom@diogunix.com> <4DDFE606.70809@sentex.net> <201105272027.10437.tom@diogunix.com> <4DDFF66A.5060505@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 93.104.86.9 Cc: "tom@diogunix.com" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: GPRS/UMTS device for a FreeBSD notebook ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 05:34:07 -0000 El día Sunday, May 29, 2011 a las 05:44:00PM +0200, Bengt Ahlgren escribió: > I use the uhso driver with an Option ICON 7.2 (needed firmware update). > It works very well indeed and much better than the ubsa driver I used > before. With uhso you get a real network interface and thus don't need > to fiddle around with ppp. You still get some serial ports with which > you can do "at" commands to control the modem if you want to do that > manually. Otherwise the uhsoctl program takes care of all that for you. > At least on my laptop (Thinkpad X40), ppp over serial port didn't go > faster than 300kbit/sec or so. With uhso I get much more. This and the man page uhso(4) sound very interesting... Are these Option cards USB devices? Do you have a pointer where to get one of this sticks in Europe? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 30 05:49:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC32B106566B for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 05:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom@diogunix.com) Received: from mail.kepos.org (mail.kepos.org [64.120.5.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4B68FC15 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 05:49:03 +0000 (UTC) From: "tom@diogunix.com" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 07:48:46 +0200 References: <201105271905.05137.tom@diogunix.com> <20110530053352.GA2442@tinyCurrent> In-Reply-To: <20110530053352.GA2442@tinyCurrent> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201105300748.46755.tom@diogunix.com> Subject: Re: GPRS/UMTS device for a FreeBSD notebook ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 05:49:03 -0000 On Monday 30 May 2011 07:33:52 Matthias Apitz wrote: > This and the man page uhso(4) sound very interesting... Are these Option > cards USB devices? Do you have a pointer where to get one of this sticks > in Europe? Thanks Option makes expresscard devices as well as USB devices, though their website doesn't show a broad product range any more. Not sure why the range is so small now. May be it's only temporary. I've occassionally found some offers on Amazon's website (new and used) but they also offer some more information on their own website: http://www.option.com/en/products/where-to-buy/ Tom From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 30 07:01:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9D51065677 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 07:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) Received: from sink.sics.se (sink.sics.se [193.10.64.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9465C8FC13 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 07:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from P142.sics.se (h247n5-u-d1.ias.bredband.telia.com [78.72.169.247]) by sink.sics.se (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p4U71T19004809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 May 2011 09:01:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) Received: from P142.sics.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by P142.sics.se (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p4U72ZWF002054; Mon, 30 May 2011 09:02:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) Received: (from bengta@localhost) by P142.sics.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p4U72Xjp002053; Mon, 30 May 2011 09:02:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) From: Bengt Ahlgren To: Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20110530053352.GA2442@tinyCurrent> (Matthias Apitz's message of "Mon, 30 May 2011 07:33:52 +0200") References: <201105271905.05137.tom@diogunix.com> <4DDFE606.70809@sentex.net> <201105272027.10437.tom@diogunix.com> <4DDFF66A.5060505@sentex.net> <20110530053352.GA2442@tinyCurrent> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:02:33 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "tom@diogunix.com" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: GPRS/UMTS device for a FreeBSD notebook ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 07:01:41 -0000 Matthias Apitz writes: > El d=EDa Sunday, May 29, 2011 a las 05:44:00PM +0200, Bengt Ahlgren escri= bi=F3: > >> I use the uhso driver with an Option ICON 7.2 (needed firmware update). >> It works very well indeed and much better than the ubsa driver I used >> before. With uhso you get a real network interface and thus don't need >> to fiddle around with ppp. You still get some serial ports with which >> you can do "at" commands to control the modem if you want to do that >> manually. Otherwise the uhsoctl program takes care of all that for you. >> At least on my laptop (Thinkpad X40), ppp over serial port didn't go >> faster than 300kbit/sec or so. With uhso I get much more. > > This and the man page uhso(4) sound very interesting... Are these Option > cards USB devices? Do you have a pointer where to get one of this sticks > in Europe? Thanks Mine is USB - I think they have cardbus variants too, but as far as I understand, they are still internally USB-based. I think I got mine here: http://www.dustin.se/ - they at least have them now. See http://www.dustin.se/lp_21255_8518.aspx - klick the small UK flag at the top to switch to English. http://www.option.com/ might also give you some clues. Bengt From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 30 07:46:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1944E1065676 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 07:46:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bschmidt@techwires.net) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55308FC14 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 07:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so3316766fxm.13 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 00:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.97.196 with SMTP id m4mr2624773fan.55.1306739829385; Mon, 30 May 2011 00:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jessie.localnet (p5B2ECBE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.46.203.229]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b22sm617945fak.1.2011.05.30.00.17.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 May 2011 00:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Bernhard Schmidt From: Bernhard Schmidt To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-31-generic; KDE/4.4.5; i686; ; ) References: <20110529165343.C886C1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20110529165343.C886C1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201105300915.53440.bschmidt@freebsd.org> Cc: Subject: Re: Any experience with ThinkPad T420/T520 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bschmidt@freebsd.org List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 07:46:02 -0000 On Sunday, May 29, 2011 18:53:43 Kevin Oberman wrote: > I'm about to order new laptop and I am looking at a Lenovo ThinkPad > T520. Does anyone have experience with this model? Anything that should > cause alarm? I plan on getting the nVidia 4200N graphics which should > work with the nVidia driver. What's the current state of "Optimus" support? Last time I've checked the NVIDIA driver had no support for that so you might be stuck with the Intel GPU. -- Bernhard From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 30 16:07:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC4F1065672; Mon, 30 May 2011 16:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D168FC0C; Mon, 30 May 2011 16:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:910::29]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p4UG7JCw027999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 30 May 2011 09:07:19 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 8D52C1CC0D; Mon, 30 May 2011 09:07:19 -0700 (PDT) To: bschmidt@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200." <201105300915.53440.bschmidt@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:07:19 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20110530160719.8D52C1CC0D@ptavv.es.net> Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any experience with ThinkPad T420/T520 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:07:20 -0000 > Sender: Bernhard Schmidt > From: Bernhard Schmidt > Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200 > > On Sunday, May 29, 2011 18:53:43 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > I'm about to order new laptop and I am looking at a Lenovo ThinkPad > > T520. Does anyone have experience with this model? Anything that should > > cause alarm? I plan on getting the nVidia 4200N graphics which should > > work with the nVidia driver. > > What's the current state of "Optimus" support? Last time I've > checked the NVIDIA driver had no support for that so you might > be stuck with the Intel GPU. > > -- > Bernhard > Ouch! That would be a bummer. Thanks for the heads-up. I have been worried about the video issue, but I have not followed it closely enough to realize the significance of "Optimus". -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 30 16:48:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4206106564A; Mon, 30 May 2011 16:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E258FC0A; Mon, 30 May 2011 16:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:910::29]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p4UGmDpA027148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 30 May 2011 09:48:13 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 3F8881CC0B; Mon, 30 May 2011 09:48:13 -0700 (PDT) To: bschmidt@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200." <201105300915.53440.bschmidt@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:48:13 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20110530164813.3F8881CC0B@ptavv.es.net> Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any experience with ThinkPad T420/T520 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:48:13 -0000 > Sender: Bernhard Schmidt > From: Bernhard Schmidt > Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200 > > On Sunday, May 29, 2011 18:53:43 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > I'm about to order new laptop and I am looking at a Lenovo ThinkPad > > T520. Does anyone have experience with this model? Anything that should > > cause alarm? I plan on getting the nVidia 4200N graphics which should > > work with the nVidia driver. > > What's the current state of "Optimus" support? Last time I've > checked the NVIDIA driver had no support for that so you might > be stuck with the Intel GPU. I just went to the nVidia web site and it shows the latest FreeBSD driver supports this GPU "4200M" and the page on Optimus states tha it is "completely automatic". The driver download page makes no reference to "Optimus" for any platform. It does state that the NVS 4200M is supported on both 32 and 64 bit FreeBSD with the 270.41.19, the version in the current port. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 30 16:54:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E0C106564A; Mon, 30 May 2011 16:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1218FC0A; Mon, 30 May 2011 16:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:910::29]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p4UGsVGT031655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 30 May 2011 09:54:31 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id B52671CC0B; Mon, 30 May 2011 09:54:31 -0700 (PDT) To: bschmidt@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200." <201105300915.53440.bschmidt@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:54:31 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20110530165431.B52671CC0B@ptavv.es.net> Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any experience with ThinkPad T420/T520 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:54:32 -0000 > Sender: Bernhard Schmidt > From: Bernhard Schmidt > Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200 > > On Sunday, May 29, 2011 18:53:43 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > I'm about to order new laptop and I am looking at a Lenovo ThinkPad > > T520. Does anyone have experience with this model? Anything that should > > cause alarm? I plan on getting the nVidia 4200N graphics which should > > work with the nVidia driver. > > What's the current state of "Optimus" support? Last time I've > checked the NVIDIA driver had no support for that so you might > be stuck with the Intel GPU. > > -- > Bernhard > Oops! I typed too quickly. I just found te thread on Optimus support and I'm scanning it now. Thanks again! -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 31 05:57:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A548106564A for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bschmidt@techwires.net) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E758FC12 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so4957512bwz.13 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 22:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.19.10 with SMTP id y10mr756101bka.190.1306821457641; Mon, 30 May 2011 22:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jessie.localnet (p5B2EC6C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.46.198.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm3924865bkm.14.2011.05.30.22.57.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 May 2011 22:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Bernhard Schmidt From: Bernhard Schmidt To: "Kevin Oberman" Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 07:56:19 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-31-generic; KDE/4.4.5; i686; ; ) References: <20110530165431.B52671CC0B@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20110530165431.B52671CC0B@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201105310756.19688.bschmidt@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any experience with ThinkPad T420/T520 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bschmidt@freebsd.org List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 05:57:39 -0000 On Monday, May 30, 2011 18:54:31 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Sender: Bernhard Schmidt > > From: Bernhard Schmidt > > Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200 > > > > On Sunday, May 29, 2011 18:53:43 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > I'm about to order new laptop and I am looking at a Lenovo ThinkPad > > > T520. Does anyone have experience with this model? Anything that should > > > cause alarm? I plan on getting the nVidia 4200N graphics which should > > > work with the nVidia driver. > > > > What's the current state of "Optimus" support? Last time I've > > checked the NVIDIA driver had no support for that so you might > > be stuck with the Intel GPU. > > > Oops! I typed too quickly. I just found te thread on Optimus support and > I'm scanning it now. Honestly, I have no clue about the details. The only thing I know is that there are 2 ways to switch between GPUs, a real hardware switch (which should work on every system) and plain software, which didn't last time I've checked, on either Linux or FreeBSD. That bothered me quite a bit, decided to buy a "gamer notebook" which clearly stated that it has no Optimus therefore. -- Bernhard From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 31 15:22:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049951065673; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F038FC0A; Tue, 31 May 2011 15:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:910::29]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p4VFMhVg025458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 31 May 2011 08:22:43 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 5BB791CC0D; Tue, 31 May 2011 08:22:43 -0700 (PDT) To: bschmidt@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 May 2011 07:56:19 +0200." <201105310756.19688.bschmidt@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 08:22:43 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20110531152243.5BB791CC0D@ptavv.es.net> Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any experience with ThinkPad T420/T520 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:22:44 -0000 > Sender: Bernhard Schmidt > From: Bernhard Schmidt > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 07:56:19 +0200 > > On Monday, May 30, 2011 18:54:31 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Sender: Bernhard Schmidt > > > From: Bernhard Schmidt > > > Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200 > > > > > > On Sunday, May 29, 2011 18:53:43 Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > I'm about to order new laptop and I am looking at a Lenovo ThinkPad > > > > T520. Does anyone have experience with this model? Anything that should > > > > cause alarm? I plan on getting the nVidia 4200N graphics which should > > > > work with the nVidia driver. > > > > > > What's the current state of "Optimus" support? Last time I've > > > checked the NVIDIA driver had no support for that so you might > > > be stuck with the Intel GPU. > > > > > Oops! I typed too quickly. I just found te thread on Optimus support and > > I'm scanning it now. > > Honestly, I have no clue about the details. The only thing I know > is that there are 2 ways to switch between GPUs, a real hardware > switch (which should work on every system) and plain software, which > didn't last time I've checked, on either Linux or FreeBSD. That > bothered me quite a bit, decided to buy a "gamer notebook" which > clearly stated that it has no Optimus therefore. Bernhard, I have spent some time researching this and it looks like it is partly resolved under Linux. (They call it solved, but it's really a kludge that I would hardly call a final resolution). The "fix" is mostly to ACPI and very Linux specific, as far as I can tell. Not that doing the same under FreeBSD would not be possible, but it will take some work by someone with both more ACPI and graphics knowledge than I have. I decided to save a few bucks and ordered the T520 without the nVidia... Just straight Intel which will be pretty limited, too, until the KMS and GEM work is available. Sigh. Thanks again for the heads up! -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 2 01:56:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95479106566B for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 01:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sayyanfu@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548148FC12 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 01:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yie12 with SMTP id 12so273201yie.13 for ; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:56:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BHm2iGSTwoG0dDXPSNVefZRoggsJbQWw37gLnxJ2gWo=; b=kEeVeYLorlyDLTzs5jYdoEPFjhKurqV0EQawu21VQI5JTf+RFtMlDTMHiArODjTZO4 vAj4529tGS0C5J0XwTi8FIU+ruwT2qq0wrJedbel+UqHv6W0Erc13yiDCA0PxEUZXenv BKFPvOv5GB5IlNASC2ukmxnbtywbYZp5/+mZ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rgwqP/HeikPgsb5b+PfozbXG6cd036eej1emWNReqjWikDjnO2543zq2QMQwyP6S6u TqDAtLqaKc+H9RD2yUY7vPtIiZ43c49W/5Vj/yi044JN7i6bKlYRNzUgOs1w2pL9JA2v 80wfI1mpJ0E6r8lOXLN8sD2W4mtjeB+s9Pnik= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.176.129 with SMTP id b1mr121534yhm.508.1306978344810; Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.34.11 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 18:32:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110601120008.594EE1065704@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20110601120008.594EE1065704@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:32:24 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?GB2312?B?sLLn9w==?= To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: freebsd-mobile Digest, Vol 411, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 01:56:34 -0000 Re:I like Dell xps 15,thinkpad is not good. 2011/6/1 : > Send freebsd-mobile mailing list submissions to > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0freebsd-mobile-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0freebsd-mobile-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-mobile digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > =A0 1. Re: Any experience with ThinkPad T420/T520 =A0(Kevin Oberman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 08:22:43 -0700 > From: "Kevin Oberman" > Subject: Re: Any experience with ThinkPad T420/T520 > To: bschmidt@freebsd.org > Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20110531152243.5BB791CC0D@ptavv.es.net> > >> Sender: Bernhard Schmidt >> From: Bernhard Schmidt >> Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 07:56:19 +0200 >> >> On Monday, May 30, 2011 18:54:31 Kevin Oberman wrote: >> > > Sender: Bernhard Schmidt >> > > From: Bernhard Schmidt >> > > Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 09:15:53 +0200 >> > > >> > > On Sunday, May 29, 2011 18:53:43 Kevin Oberman wrote: >> > > > I'm about to order =A0new laptop and I am looking at a Lenovo Thin= kPad >> > > > T520. Does anyone have experience with this model? Anything that s= hould >> > > > cause alarm? I plan on getting the nVidia 4200N graphics which sho= uld >> > > > work with the nVidia driver. >> > > >> > > What's the current state of "Optimus" support? Last time I've >> > > checked the NVIDIA driver had no support for that so you might >> > > be stuck with the Intel GPU. >> > > >> > Oops! I typed too quickly. I just found te thread on Optimus support a= nd >> > I'm scanning it now. >> >> Honestly, I have no clue about the details. The only thing I know >> is that there are 2 ways to switch between GPUs, a real hardware >> switch (which should work on every system) and plain software, which >> didn't last time I've checked, on either Linux or FreeBSD. That >> bothered me quite a bit, decided to buy a "gamer notebook" which >> clearly stated that it has no Optimus therefore. > > Bernhard, > > I have spent some time researching this and it looks like it is partly > resolved under Linux. (They call it solved, but it's really a kludge > that I would hardly call a final resolution). The "fix" is mostly to > ACPI and very Linux specific, as far as I can tell. Not that doing the > same under FreeBSD would not be possible, but it will take some work by > someone with both more ACPI and graphics knowledge than I have. > > I decided to save a few bucks and ordered the T520 without the nVidia... > Just straight Intel which will be pretty limited, too, until the KMS and > GEM work is available. Sigh. > > Thanks again for the heads up! > -- > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) > Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) > E-mail: oberman@es.net =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Phone: +1 510 4= 86-8634 > Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 =A0EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > End of freebsd-mobile Digest, Vol 411, Issue 3 > ********************************************** > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 4 06:12:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7AA106564A; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:12:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5977A8FC0A; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 63.imp.bsdimp.com (63.imp.bsdimp.com [10.0.0.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p546CJMG060042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 4 Jun 2011 00:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 00:12:18 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: John Kozubik X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (harmony.bsdimp.com [10.0.0.6]); Sat, 04 Jun 2011 00:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bounty / work for hire for PR 115623 ... xircom, pcmcia, etc. X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:12:22 -0000 I'd say this PR is off the mark. I use PC Card and CardBus cards all = the time. The Xircom patch in question should be in -current already. = I likely haven't MFC'd it. There are two classes of problems lingering = from the old days: the Xircom one (where a certain type of CIS fails, = but so far one Xircom card is the only one that has it). The second is = the inability to find what resources the Host Bridge decodes, so you = need to hack it with the memory ranges manually. John Baldwin recently = committed a fix for newer ACPIs that would solve this, if only older = ACPIs implemented it... Part of the problem here is that my primary laptop no longer is CardBus = based, so problems linger longer than I like to see... All my fast = laptops have died, and I'm stuck with ancient, slow ones with dying = batteries that work poorly these days... Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 4 06:47:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F621065672 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eeklund@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038D88FC15 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so2989164iyj.13 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 23:47:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AbyfMdRkh9Bvdtosur3d4174PWJ9WrEK47/nHTuvwYg=; b=Q8t0bHY8S8gpE6nff/Oxp/LQft5Hd81OMsZSd6qNxvHjPPfLZo/yp/8iMWsJMUnkR2 ZeJB46Nh/3dAn2xXhYRhfn+hLhK5Ii9ByOpzvYsfcFdDWZWcZN5DFTNE5HBhLwcza/te Wlu5xjVHMUTjaMN8XMGnG5AIDw9PhVvn5iPCs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=dUbJa5gFCsQ+HTGSjoMPACOFns5m2B9tNZTPyTs8IKcZ1K8ofYgX/khb9LgeUMOCfh q3jDc191wgTwTtgR30Ul1PDC9XFfhDgm+KFJt7DNaVfJiwIDlM69xZELD8mYdm3JSJnv 22gAmv3upwnDll0zV+xBE8Pr7AuTapPEBttNc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.28.74 with SMTP id m10mr4127184icc.431.1307168319575; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 23:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.226.130 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jun 2011 23:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 23:18:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: Eivind Eklund To: mobile@freebsd.org, d@delphij.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Keyboard hang on Lenovo T520 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:47:51 -0000 Hi! I've just tried to install 8.2 amd64 on a newly bought Lenovo T520. This hangs during keyboard probe with the last output on a verbose boot being kbdc: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdc: RESET_KBD status:00aa This looks like the same symptoms as in http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/svn-rev-197392-hangs-during-boot-td3926276.html, where Xin Li had a patch to revert the use of x86bios for atkbd. Does this kind of thing still make sense (ie, should I try to build a new install medium with that patch applied)? If so, is there something I can do to help make this work automatically? (I'm out of touch and haven't done much with FreeBSD for a fair number of years, so I don't know what's going on development-wise.) Eivind.