From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 08:08:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3DA1065670 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EC08FC08 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5Q7aRHX027404; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:36:28 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:36:27 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20110625191708.GA1182@tiny> Message-ID: <20110626165210.P72504@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20110625182502.GF29050@albert.catwhisker.org> <20110625191708.GA1182@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-130588093-1309073787=:72504" Cc: Bastian Rieck , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:08:21 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-130588093-1309073787=:72504 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:17:08 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Saturday, June 25, 2011 a las 11:25:02AM -0700, David Wolfskill escribió: > > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 07:34:24PM +0200, Bastian Rieck wrote: > > > Dear list, > > > > > > I need to replace my old IBM Thinkpad R50e, which is running FreeBSD > > > 8.2. Currently, my favoured replacement is a Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E520. > > > .... > > > > I rather like the laptop I've been using for the past several months: a > > Dell Precision M4400. I track stable/8 & head (in different slices) on > > it daily; it normally takes about an hour to take care of both of those. > > I run a bunch of laptops/netbooks, all with some older 8-CURRENT or now > 9-CURRENT (head): > > Acer Aspire One D250 > Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M1437G > Asus EeePC 900 > Dell M4400 How well does suspend/resume work on these? An absolute must for me. My Thinkpad T23s always resumed 100% reliably through 6.x and 7.x, still does at 7.4-R, but since 8.0-R through to 8.2-R they completely freeze for an even 60 seconds on resume, after which I often get a bunch of 'time went backwards' errors - sometimes on every process running - so I've never felt able to really trust it after resuming. Noone seems to know about that issue; probably no developers have i386 laptops anymore. > Ofc, every laptop has its own problem, for example with sound, and needs > special attention (read: finding a solution); > > concerning graphic, it's not an FreeBSD issue, but havin support in Xorg > for the chipset; > > the best way, if youd dealer allows it, would be to boot the laptop in > question with a recent Knoppix DVD to see in detail what is in the box > and then check the FreeBSD man(4) pages if it is supported; The PC-BSD 8.2 memstick might be a good option for that sort of testing. Unlike the FreeBSD memsticks it's a full DVD-sized image on a proper MBR slice, so you can write eg a verbose dmesg.boot and sysctl -a to another slice for later evaluation on an 8GB+ stick, from the fixit boot. Guess I should try booting it on my daughter's EeePC, 1050 as I recall. > > And it has a 1920x1200 display -- as well as 2 sets of 3 mouse buttons > > each (each of which works as expected). > > > > I have found that I sometimes manage to slide the "WiFi disable" switch > > to an unwanted setting accidentally, and the power connection slips out > > a little too easily, but those are about the worst things I can think of > > with respect to the hardware. > > I have the same problem with the M4400 :-) it's just a bad hardware/case > design; I suppose that's not a problem as long as it then behaves ok on battery. I've never much fancied Dells but with the demise of 'proper' IBM/Lenovo laptops, I'm trying to keep an open mind to others. How's that Fujitsu? cheers, Ian --0-130588093-1309073787=:72504-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 08:31:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE108106566C for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755898FC15 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [88.217.25.211] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qakko-0002Qp-9d; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:31:43 +0200 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5Q8VfID002485; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:31:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id p5Q8VeVg002484; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:31:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:31:35 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Ian Smith Message-ID: <20110626083135.GA2432@tinyCurrent> References: <20110625182502.GF29050@albert.catwhisker.org> <20110625191708.GA1182@tiny> <20110626165210.P72504@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20110626165210.P72504@sola.nimnet.asn.au> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 88.217.25.211 Cc: Bastian Rieck , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:31:57 -0000 El día Sunday, June 26, 2011 a las 05:36:27PM +1000, Ian Smith escribió: > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:17:08 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > I run a bunch of laptops/netbooks, all with some older 8-CURRENT or now > > 9-CURRENT (head): > > > > Acer Aspire One D250 > > Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M1437G > > Asus EeePC 900 > > Dell M4400 > > How well does suspend/resume work on these? An absolute must for me. I don't use suspend/resume, can't say anything about; > > the best way, if youd dealer allows it, would be to boot the laptop in > > question with a recent Knoppix DVD to see in detail what is in the box > > and then check the FreeBSD man(4) pages if it is supported; > > The PC-BSD 8.2 memstick might be a good option for that sort of testing. > Unlike the FreeBSD memsticks it's a full DVD-sized image on a proper MBR > slice, so you can write eg a verbose dmesg.boot and sysctl -a to another > slice for later evaluation on an 8GB+ stick, from the fixit boot. Knoppix (a Linux derivate) works better to detect hardware; ofc you can put it as well on an USB key; > I suppose that's not a problem as long as it then behaves ok on battery. > I've never much fancied Dells but with the demise of 'proper' IBM/Lenovo > laptops, I'm trying to keep an open mind to others. How's that Fujitsu? It's outdated (from 2006) but works very well; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 12:33:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33985106566B; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl (mx1.psconsult.nl [80.89.238.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5948FC12; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl ([80.89.238.138]) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5QBtRhv086892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:55:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5QBtR5K086891; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:55:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) X-Authentication-Warning: mx1.psconsult.nl: paul set sender to freebsd@psconsult.nl using -f Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:55:27 +0200 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110626115527.GA86487@psconsult.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: Automatic per-site configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 12:33:36 -0000 Hi, There must be many others like me who carry a laptop from one site to another every week. Currently I have to work at four different sites. I'd like my FreeBSD 8.2 laptop to automatically start stuff depending on where I boot it and also my personal login environment depends on where I am (PRINTER setting in .profile, clients to automatically start and DISPLAY setting in .xsession, key bindings in .ctwmrc etc.) Until recently I could look at the fully qualified hostname I got from DHCP as all DHCP servers gave me a usable hostname but now I also have to work at various sites where DHCP does not give me a hostname at all. Getting no hostname from DHCP confuses xdm which defaults to "1" requiring me to switch to another virtual console and manually set the hostname to "localhost" or something. The hostname="foo.bar.tld" in rc.conf is absolute, when set the hostname obtained from DHCP is ignored. How do other people solve this? I'd prefer to to be prompted during boot and during login for the site I want to configure for. Kind regards, Paul Schenkeveld From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 14:05:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2310E106564A for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FCF8FC0A for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5QE5pYQ047660; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:05:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:05:50 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Matthias Apitz In-Reply-To: <20110626083135.GA2432@tinyCurrent> Message-ID: <20110626223926.B72504@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20110625182502.GF29050@albert.catwhisker.org> <20110625191708.GA1182@tiny> <20110626165210.P72504@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20110626083135.GA2432@tinyCurrent> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-137558017-1309097150=:72504" Cc: Bastian Rieck , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:05:54 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-137558017-1309097150=:72504 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:31:35 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Sunday, June 26, 2011 a las 05:36:27PM +1000, Ian Smith escribió: > > > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:17:08 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > > > > I run a bunch of laptops/netbooks, all with some older 8-CURRENT or now > > > 9-CURRENT (head): > > > > > > Acer Aspire One D250 > > > Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M1437G > > > Asus EeePC 900 > > > Dell M4400 > > > > How well does suspend/resume work on these? An absolute must for me. > > I don't use suspend/resume, can't say anything about; Ok thanks. > > > the best way, if youd dealer allows it, would be to boot the laptop in > > > question with a recent Knoppix DVD to see in detail what is in the box > > > and then check the FreeBSD man(4) pages if it is supported; > > > > The PC-BSD 8.2 memstick might be a good option for that sort of testing. > > Unlike the FreeBSD memsticks it's a full DVD-sized image on a proper MBR > > slice, so you can write eg a verbose dmesg.boot and sysctl -a to another > > slice for later evaluation on an 8GB+ stick, from the fixit boot. > > Knoppix (a Linux derivate) works better to detect hardware; ofc you can > put it as well on an USB key; Indeed. An advantage of (also) booting FreeBSD is seeing how it does, though most laptops are probably going to need some tweaking or other. > > I suppose that's not a problem as long as it then behaves ok on battery. > > I've never much fancied Dells but with the demise of 'proper' IBM/Lenovo > > laptops, I'm trying to keep an open mind to others. How's that Fujitsu? > > It's outdated (from 2006) but works very well; Ta. The T23s are 2002 vintage and work very well, but sadly no longer so well on 8.x .. maybe I'll try a 9 snapshot before giving up on them. cheers, Ian --0-137558017-1309097150=:72504-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 18:10:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F60B106564A for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7AD8FC18 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2182556gwb.13 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:10:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IFVWUdVDP5p6G+qcvQRMImvRUuvuXEsC95TIXs/fHDI=; b=CiaQWEzu/WzS2InI2se3yr04xQEi1mPrevqzrdP/HGLCgzOSh8F1jEq0P+6Otj60uh wfBS3uUZ1d1lyJ1Ovp3TwhBYtiBvpWoNqaIl0SG4zHiRlRRbDUYaddit6TDX2aiQVzzv nsMDcyAI//4zvjG11Ec9apUkye3bX/erIsxAs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SptR7gpjjxepoxzQ+VSkyryawS4jYdYeJMKpZLy/pqUSf8Cttr7twLi89pXynd/61u +Pb4nXJKuUrcy3SwbDfx2B+BrgA/eRbYpFN47qQV++HonvdYSYdwoazc0QsVyK+AmZ25 PobeAfNBe3iGWTC2ZQHsTAtN0VCUDO7gQCj1c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.73.26 with SMTP id v26mr4173507yba.59.1309111822775; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.12.15 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:10:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110626115527.GA86487@psconsult.nl> References: <20110626115527.GA86487@psconsult.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 08:10:21 -1000 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Paul Schenkeveld Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Automatic per-site configuration X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:10:24 -0000 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Paul Schenkeveld wr= ote: > Hi, > > There must be many others like me who carry a laptop from one site to > another every week. =A0Currently I have to work at four different sites. > > I'd like my FreeBSD 8.2 laptop to automatically start stuff depending > on where I boot it and also my personal login environment depends on > where I am (PRINTER setting in .profile, clients to automatically start > and DISPLAY setting in .xsession, key bindings in .ctwmrc etc.) > > Until recently I could look at the fully qualified hostname I got from > DHCP as all DHCP servers gave me a usable hostname but now I also have > to work at various sites where DHCP does not give me a hostname at all. > > Getting no hostname from DHCP confuses xdm which defaults to "1" > requiring me to switch to another virtual console and manually set the > hostname to "localhost" or something. > > The hostname=3D"foo.bar.tld" in rc.conf is absolute, when set the hostnam= e > obtained from DHCP is ignored. > > How do other people solve this? =A0I'd prefer to to be prompted during > boot and during login for the site I want to configure for. I have been using Tobias Roth's profile to do this for several years. It is an RC script that runs right after mountcritical and checks for known networks via several techniques. It then does a unionfs mount of a file-backed md on /etc. It contains t least a locations specific rc.conf.local and my contain whatever other files in /etc which you might want per-site, such as resolv.conf or wpa_supplicant.conf. While it has worked (with a two line tweak to /etc/rc.subr to rollback the for support for special processing of rc.d files with a .sh extension), several developers expressed concerns with its viability and I don't think Tobias has done anything with it for some time. I'm not even sure that it is still available. If it is not, I could probably make it, along with the trivial patch to /etc/rc.subr available. For a tool that supposedly would suffer from long-term viability, I have been using it for FreeBSD 5 through 8. I suspect it will work fine in 9, when I get around to trying it. --=20 R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer - Retired E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 20:11:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC4E1065672 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:11:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bastian@tecroots.net) Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com (out3.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F1B8FC15 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.46]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4491F20EA8 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:11:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=date:from:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=s/RJZAlGF7EG4D7E2wKCdiJJPt8=; b=b/+7fHPphpX90y5VvXkCjmNsiOFP+nFk35QlWlMCZc5X2hDsolLH3PCePSjjuHf3XDOmMdrgQ9vYyHjg88Bb//GG6Qujiskv2qEwz3cYtaYI2dc8Ty68tOQeOMh/KDVWPpeLQip0RehBL/eCOKnFvnfZ3QiT+mND2bLjyYmzDUY= X-Sasl-enc: ryaOWA9WWVlDOEWEpPNxD5J3oBjk8jeT1j2BPK2UWJEo 1309119111 Received: from niamh (p54A3A928.dip.t-dialin.net [84.163.169.40]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 931D1409006 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:13:34 +0200 From: Bastian Rieck Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110626221334.2ffd2a8b@niamh> In-Reply-To: <20110625191708.GA1182@tiny> References: <20110625182502.GF29050@albert.catwhisker.org> <20110625191708.GA1182@tiny> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:11:52 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:17:08 +0200 Matthias Apitz wrote: > [...] > > I run a bunch of laptops/netbooks, all with some older 8-CURRENT or > now 9-CURRENT (head): > > Acer Aspire One D250 > Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M1437G > Asus EeePC 900 > Dell M4400 Thanks, this overview is quite useful. > Ofc, every laptop has its own problem, for example with sound, and > needs special attention (read: finding a solution); A certain amount of "twiddling" is certainly acceptable. Thanks for the warning, though. > concerning graphic, it's not an FreeBSD issue, but havin support in > Xorg for the chipset; > > the best way, if youd dealer allows it, would be to boot the laptop in > question with a recent Knoppix DVD to see in detail what is in the box > and then check the FreeBSD man(4) pages if it is supported; Thanks. That's some sound advice --- I completely forgot about this possibility. Kind regards, Bastian From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 26 20:21:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3234E106566B for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bastian@annwfn.net) Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com (out3.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23348FC12 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.45]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE1720C85 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:01:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=BpAsaPoDDwkuh9WkeUn1wDN1M3g=; b=Q0kBTFiTcwDHzZYhGuWF4bRpsbGiA/Wg4w5sIzXhOErrV0bcDDx0gz9glR/SdXfwE17QB0BfPS3KZCzyKmxfKbQkVU6s10D97K01QObOFdptwqKwiiKAWCR48yUfP4yZ9Z7lG6wfJAqQ26ltGAAcP36b3bJrfFdE094vJWpj02k= X-Sasl-enc: hXZfIVUJ99H5gyKvidk+1IZvp+k6zGwbgreBUk5JtEGy 1309118517 Received: from niamh (p54A3A928.dip.t-dialin.net [84.163.169.40]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37B34441B0B for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:03:40 +0200 From: Bastian Rieck To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110626220340.69fa110e@niamh> In-Reply-To: References: <1309023264.31961.1467170105@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 20:21:22 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:34:17 -1000 Kevin Oberman wrote: > [...] > As far as wireless goes, look out for Lenovo "1x1" wireless. It's a > Realtek card and there is no support for it. The Intel cards > (Centrino) should do OK with IWN. I would be delighted if an Atheros > card would work, but Lenovo locks PCI IDs for wireless, so I suspect > Atheros won't work since Lenovo no longer sells them. Thanks --- I should be able to find this out from the vendor. > Almost all new systems use the integrated Intel 3000 GPU which won't > work with FreeBSD until GEM/KMS support is available. If you can find > AMD graphics or nVidia graphics OTHER THAN OPTIMUS, you are fine, but > I don't think this will be easy. Lenovo does sell some AMD based > laptops with Redeon graphics and hose might be your best bet. My R50e suffers from the same lack of drivers. Is there a rough guess when GEM/KMS might be coming to FreeBSD? I recall that the new `xorg-video-intel` driver has been marked as broken for quite some time. > Good luck! FreeBSD on laptops is a real problem ATM. Thanks :-) Kind regards, Bastian From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 11:48:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E4F1065672 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) Received: from sink.sics.se (sink.sics.se [193.10.64.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5058FC15 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from P142.sics.se (P142.sics.se [193.10.66.253]) by sink.sics.se (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5RBmYIR032519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) Received: from P142.sics.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by P142.sics.se (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5RBmp31003097; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) Received: (from bengta@localhost) by P142.sics.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5RBmoLZ003096; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bengta@P142.sics.se) From: Bengt Ahlgren To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: <20110626165210.P72504@sola.nimnet.asn.au> (Ian Smith's message of "Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:36:27 +1000 (EST)") References: <20110625182502.GF29050@albert.catwhisker.org> <20110625191708.GA1182@tiny> <20110626165210.P72504@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (berkeley-unix) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Bastian Rieck , Matthias Apitz , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:48:39 -0000 Ian Smith writes: > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:17:08 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > El d=EDa Saturday, June 25, 2011 a las 11:25:02AM -0700, David Wolfski= ll escribi=F3: > >=20 > > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 07:34:24PM +0200, Bastian Rieck wrote: > > > > Dear list, > > > >=20 > > > > I need to replace my old IBM Thinkpad R50e, which is running FreeB= SD > > > > 8.2. Currently, my favoured replacement is a Lenovo ThinkPad Edge = E520. > > > > .... > > >=20 > > > I rather like the laptop I've been using for the past several months= : a > > > Dell Precision M4400. I track stable/8 & head (in different slices)= on > > > it daily; it normally takes about an hour to take care of both of th= ose. > >=20 > > I run a bunch of laptops/netbooks, all with some older 8-CURRENT or now > > 9-CURRENT (head): > >=20 > > Acer Aspire One D250 > > Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M1437G > > Asus EeePC 900 > > Dell M4400 > > How well does suspend/resume work on these? An absolute must for me. > > My Thinkpad T23s always resumed 100% reliably through 6.x and 7.x, still= =20 > does at 7.4-R, but since 8.0-R through to 8.2-R they completely freeze > for an even 60 seconds on resume, after which I often get a bunch of=20 > 'time went backwards' errors - sometimes on every process running - so=20 > I've never felt able to really trust it after resuming. Noone seems to=20 > know about that issue; probably no developers have i386 laptops anymore. Me too for a Thinkpad X40 (running 8.2-R). I tracked down the stall on resume to uhci.ko. Without that module loaded, there was no stall. Other usb modules did not make any difference. I unfortunately did not have time to investigate it further. My laptop comes to life reliably after the stall. Bengt From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 13:46:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D37106564A for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:46:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD1E8FC13 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:46:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxg33 with SMTP id 33so4727549vxg.13 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eJ0rE6EUP78jSBk78ZLyR2CkhnlVxc9ee2OBdwK8Ci0=; b=gkS9w/6TbYXO7Mi0sIvGQZLnir0SWsH1bn+BXDTQBO8vMmASHG/z7IjZiA4YpFWONF vLmSQ+X/SsKL/eqRWzSxTwOvcum+6kWZCakSg1YVLHxd7PHecaHi2qdsMmmqoCTO7cgI FxFIoITLJcJVJKabk/w1k9XoRxnA5nMP7Bl/E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HwQaGQ381lSBEQdMswcSkUeYZEjuGmxQyL/ndNazKo2sCcJ5fggz888JlIt2Sa38GL nUEhQUERld1YBtLDlAK7m74gdwJodY+OFy08nzClwE4cVsciYV5MaEqGmcy1DVk1ptlC lxNrFMSpIFKJ+x+l7Ed/9mm7hKAFDDJshCY/Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.181.168 with SMTP id dx8mr2783784vdc.172.1309180515883; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.108.4 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:15:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110625182502.GF29050@albert.catwhisker.org> References: <20110625182502.GF29050@albert.catwhisker.org> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:15:15 +0100 Message-ID: From: Tom Evans To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:46:11 -0000 On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:25 PM, David Wolfskill wro= te: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 07:34:24PM +0200, Bastian Rieck wrote: >> Dear list, >> >> I need to replace my old IBM Thinkpad R50e, which is running FreeBSD >> 8.2. Currently, my favoured replacement is a Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E520. >> .... > > I rather like the laptop I've been using for the past several months: a > Dell Precision M4400. =C2=A0I track stable/8 & head (in different slices)= on > it daily; it normally takes about an hour to take care of both of those. > > And it has a 1920x1200 display -- as well as 2 sets of 3 mouse buttons > each (each of which works as expected). > > I have found that I sometimes manage to slide the "WiFi disable" switch > to an unwanted setting accidentally, and the power connection slips out > a little too easily, but those are about the worst things I can think of > with respect to the hardware. > +! for Dells. I'm using a Dell Latitude E6410, which I could configure with nvidia graphics (non 'Optimus'). The wireless is a Intel wireless 6000 class device, works fine under iwn(4), but I had a spare ath(4) mini PCI-e card which I've put in there too, for hostap goodness. Interestingly, it has both a mini pci-e and a half height mini pci-e, so I have both cards in there atm! I couldn't get suspend/resume to work, but I only tried closing the lid, opening it again and thinking "hmm, that doesnt work". The builtin webcam works fine with webcamd, and I've had it working in skype with few issues. Cheers Tom From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 15:05:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FA61065670 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:05:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7468B8FC13 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.113.99.132] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de.) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QbDNh-0000H0-JW; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:05:47 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de. (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5RF74JH001150; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:07:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de. (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id p5RF73Dk001149; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:07:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de.: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:07:03 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110627150702.GA1132@tiny> References: <20110625182502.GF29050@albert.catwhisker.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 82.113.99.132 Cc: Tom Evans Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:05:49 -0000 El día Monday, June 27, 2011 a las 02:15:15PM +0100, Tom Evans escribió: > +! for Dells. I'm using a Dell Latitude E6410, which I could configure > with nvidia graphics (non 'Optimus'). The wireless is a Intel wireless > 6000 class device, works fine under iwn(4), but I had a spare ath(4) > mini PCI-e card which I've put in there too, for hostap goodness. > Interestingly, it has both a mini pci-e and a half height mini pci-e, > so I have both cards in there atm! > > I couldn't get suspend/resume to work, but I only tried closing the > lid, opening it again and thinking "hmm, that doesnt work". > > The builtin webcam works fine with webcamd, and I've had it working in > skype with few issues. Hello All, Please do not forget to insert your working laptop (and the config, issues etc.) here: http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ and the working webcams should be noted here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/WebcamCompat (for this please send me a structured e-mail with your values for the table; thanks) HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 27 15:14:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D99D1065676 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34188FC15 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5RFEQFF027360; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 01:14:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 01:14:25 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Bengt Ahlgren In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20110628004012.L72504@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20110625182502.GF29050@albert.catwhisker.org> <20110625191708.GA1182@tiny> <20110626165210.P72504@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1678088716-1309187665=:72504" Cc: Bastian Rieck , Matthias Apitz , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:14:29 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1678088716-1309187665=:72504 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:48:50 +0200, Bengt Ahlgren wrote: > Ian Smith writes: > > > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:17:08 +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > El día Saturday, June 25, 2011 a las 11:25:02AM -0700, David Wolfskill escribió: > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 07:34:24PM +0200, Bastian Rieck wrote: > > > > > Dear list, > > > > > > > > > > I need to replace my old IBM Thinkpad R50e, which is running FreeBSD > > > > > 8.2. Currently, my favoured replacement is a Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E520. > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > I rather like the laptop I've been using for the past several months: a > > > > Dell Precision M4400. I track stable/8 & head (in different slices) on > > > > it daily; it normally takes about an hour to take care of both of those. > > > > > > I run a bunch of laptops/netbooks, all with some older 8-CURRENT or now > > > 9-CURRENT (head): > > > > > > Acer Aspire One D250 > > > Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M1437G > > > Asus EeePC 900 > > > Dell M4400 > > > > How well does suspend/resume work on these? An absolute must for me. > > > > My Thinkpad T23s always resumed 100% reliably through 6.x and 7.x, still > > does at 7.4-R, but since 8.0-R through to 8.2-R they completely freeze > > for an even 60 seconds on resume, after which I often get a bunch of > > 'time went backwards' errors - sometimes on every process running - so > > I've never felt able to really trust it after resuming. Noone seems to > > know about that issue; probably no developers have i386 laptops anymore. > > Me too for a Thinkpad X40 (running 8.2-R). I tracked down the stall on > resume to uhci.ko. Without that module loaded, there was no stall. > Other usb modules did not make any difference. I unfortunately did not > have time to investigate it further. My laptop comes to life reliably > after the stall. Thanks Bengt, that sounds encouraging, I'll try it tomorrow. Now running 8.2-RELEASE GENERIC, so I'm wondering whether I can just build a kernel with 'nodevice uchi' (the T23 only has USB 1.1 anyway) then load uhci.ko at boot, unload before suspend, reload after resume? Or 'nodevice usb' then load it and uhci too, as usb(4) seems to suggest? I'm not really up on the newer usb stuff, uhci(4) is from April 2005 and doesn't mention the 82801CA/CAM controller either .. t23# grep -i usb /var/run/dmesg.boot uhci0: port 0x1800-0x181f irq 11 at device 29.0 on pci0 usbus0: on uhci0 uhci1: port 0x1820-0x183f irq 11 at device 29.1 on pci0 usbus1: on uhci1 uhci2: port 0x1840-0x185f irq 11 at device 29.2 on pci0 usbus2: on uhci2 usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub1: on usbus1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 uhub2: on usbus2 cheers, Ian --0-1678088716-1309187665=:72504-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 2 14:47:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077A11065741 for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 14:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cl000116@colombia.dattaweb.com) Received: from colombia.dattaweb.com (colombia.dattaweb.com [200.58.111.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B288FC1B for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 14:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cl000116 by colombia.dattaweb.com with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd0wP-0001ad-Q5 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:13:01 -0300 To: Freebsd Mobile Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:13:01 -0300 From: centro medico revitalizare Message-ID: <537c0531099b70b0254bed052665d489@kelanea.com.ar> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: PHPMailer (phpmailer.sourceforge.net) [version 2.0.4] X-Mailid: 9 X-Subid: 18809 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - colombia.dattaweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [619 618] / [502 502] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - colombia.dattaweb.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Primavera 2031 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: CMR List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 14:47:41 -0000 F e l i z PRIMAVERA 2 0 3 1 drweschenfeller@gmail.com ( mailto:drweschenfeller@gmail.com ) rositapilotti02@gmail.com ( mailto:rositapilotti02@gmail.com ) CENTRO MEDICO REVITALIZARE® Resistencia Chaco Argentina Hola: queremos invitarte a la fiesta de PRIMAVERA del 2031 y a la de AÑO NUEVO 2032. 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