From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 09:17:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C04106566C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:17:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luigi@onelab2.iet.unipi.it) Received: from onelab2.iet.unipi.it (onelab2.iet.unipi.it [131.114.59.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D47F8FC17 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by onelab2.iet.unipi.it (Postfix, from userid 275) id 8A7FD73029; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:25:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:25:54 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111128092554.GB58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: Intel driver patch 11.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:17:42 -0000 hi, I see a thread on work in progress to support the on-chip video card on recent intel CPU/chipsets. Does anyone have an URL for patches and possibly summary instructions on how to try this code ? I am trying to make xorg work on a FreeBSD/amd64 system with an i7-2600k CPU and the onboard video controller, and vesa is a no-go, as it crashes the system as soon as i switch VTYs or change resolution above 1024 pixels... thanks luigi From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 09:22:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53BF1065678 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:22:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luigi@onelab2.iet.unipi.it) Received: from onelab2.iet.unipi.it (onelab2.iet.unipi.it [131.114.59.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A438FC1D for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by onelab2.iet.unipi.it (Postfix, from userid 275) id B35C67300B; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:20:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:20:08 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:22:41 -0000 Hi, I am looking for suggestions for a video card that works with some Xorg driver on FreeBSD/amd64 (either RELENG_9 or HEAD). I am not interested in anything fancy, just plain 2d desktop and video playback. I have some new machines with i7-2600k CPU but the onboard card is not recognised by the newer intel drivers, and the vesa driver crashes as soon as i do something (such as changing resolution to something different from 1024, or switching vtys, etc). I understand that there is work in progress on the Intel side but i will post a separate msg on the topic. I can get some nvidia (GeForce: 210 or GT520) or ATI (Sapphire Radeon: HD5450 or HD5570) but am unclear if/how they are supported. The nvidia drivers on the nvidia page say there is only FreeBSD/x86 support, and googling around doesn't give any good or encouraging suggestions. Can anyone with xorg working on FreeBSD/amd64 share some info on his configuration ? thanks luigi From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 09:55:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC8D1065782 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amarat@ksu.ru) Received: from webmail.hitv.ru (mail.hitv.ru [217.66.16.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1D88FC13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.hitv.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.hitv.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9043E8378; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:39:34 +0400 (MSK) Received: from zealot.ksu.ru (zealot.hitv.ru [83.151.8.230]) by webmail.hitv.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5DB3E839C; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:39:34 +0400 (MSK) Received: from zealot.ksu.ru (localhost.lnet [127.0.0.1]) by zealot.ksu.ru (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAS9dY10062401; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:39:34 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from amarat@ksu.ru) Message-ID: <4ED356D5.70102@ksu.ru> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:39:33 +0400 From: "Marat N.Afanasyev" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111009 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> In-Reply-To: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060202000504040801040401" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:55:04 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060202000504040801040401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Hi, > I am looking for suggestions for a video card that works with > some Xorg driver on FreeBSD/amd64 (either RELENG_9 or HEAD). > I am not interested in anything fancy, just plain 2d desktop > and video playback. > > I have some new machines with i7-2600k CPU but the onboard > card is not recognised by the newer intel drivers, and the vesa > driver crashes as soon as i do something (such as changing > resolution to something different from 1024, or switching vtys, etc). > I understand that there is work in progress on the Intel side > but i will post a separate msg on the topic. > > I can get some nvidia (GeForce: 210 or GT520) or ATI (Sapphire Radeon: > HD5450 or HD5570) but am unclear if/how they are supported. The > nvidia drivers on the nvidia page say there is only FreeBSD/x86 support= , > and googling around doesn't give any good or encouraging suggestions. > > Can anyone with xorg working on FreeBSD/amd64 share some info on his > configuration ? > > thanks > luigi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > In your case I suggest to try Nvidia first with their binary drivers. If they do not work, use any Radeon with open-source driver, you should=20 have accelerated 2d and overlay video support, but no 3d acceleration on = Radeon. --=20 SY, Marat --------------ms060202000504040801040401-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 10:03:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A11106566C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:03:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amarat@ksu.ru) Received: from webmail.hitv.ru (mail.hitv.ru [217.66.16.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C1E8FC0A for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.hitv.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.hitv.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8CA4AD174; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:03:12 +0400 (MSK) Received: from zealot.ksu.ru (zealot.hitv.ru [83.151.8.230]) by webmail.hitv.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40624AD16F; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:03:11 +0400 (MSK) Received: from zealot.ksu.ru (localhost.lnet [127.0.0.1]) by zealot.ksu.ru (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pASA3BQt062625; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:03:11 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from amarat@ksu.ru) Message-ID: <4ED35C5F.1000001@ksu.ru> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:03:11 +0400 From: "Marat N.Afanasyev" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111009 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marat N.Afanasyev" References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <4ED356D5.70102@ksu.ru> In-Reply-To: <4ED356D5.70102@ksu.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070705060709010903050408" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:03:14 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070705060709010903050408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marat N.Afanasyev wrote: > Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> I can get some nvidia (GeForce: 210 or GT520) or ATI (Sapphire Radeon:= >> HD5450 or HD5570) but am unclear if/how they are supported. The >> nvidia drivers on the nvidia page say there is only FreeBSD/x86 suppor= t, >> and googling around doesn't give any good or encouraging suggestions. > If they do not work, use any Radeon with open-source driver, you should= > have accelerated 2d and overlay video support, but no 3d acceleration o= n > Radeon. any Radeon mentioned above ;) --=20 SY, Marat --------------ms070705060709010903050408-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 10:25:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F2A1065670 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from akirchhoff135014@comcast.net) Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D398FC13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2aAZ1i00116LCl051aBmGU; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:11:46 +0000 Received: from sorrow.ashke.com ([68.38.117.6]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2aBl1i00f08Mag43SaBmbx; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:11:46 +0000 Message-ID: <4ED35E61.7040306@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:11:45 -0500 From: Adam K Kirchhoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111118 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <4ED356D5.70102@ksu.ru> In-Reply-To: <4ED356D5.70102@ksu.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:25:01 -0000 On 11/28/11 04:39, Marat N.Afanasyev wrote: > Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> Hi, >> I am looking for suggestions for a video card that works with >> some Xorg driver on FreeBSD/amd64 (either RELENG_9 or HEAD). >> I am not interested in anything fancy, just plain 2d desktop >> and video playback. >> >> I have some new machines with i7-2600k CPU but the onboard >> card is not recognised by the newer intel drivers, and the vesa >> driver crashes as soon as i do something (such as changing >> resolution to something different from 1024, or switching vtys, etc). >> I understand that there is work in progress on the Intel side >> but i will post a separate msg on the topic. >> >> I can get some nvidia (GeForce: 210 or GT520) or ATI (Sapphire Radeon: >> HD5450 or HD5570) but am unclear if/how they are supported. The >> nvidia drivers on the nvidia page say there is only FreeBSD/x86 support, >> and googling around doesn't give any good or encouraging suggestions. >> >> Can anyone with xorg working on FreeBSD/amd64 share some info on his >> configuration ? >> >> thanks >> luigi >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > In your case I suggest to try Nvidia first with their binary drivers. > > If they do not work, use any Radeon with open-source driver, you > should have accelerated 2d and overlay video support, but no 3d > acceleration on Radeon. > The radeons listed do not have *any* acceleration, 2D or 3D. Adam From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 10:32:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25766106566B for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:32:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amarat@ksu.ru) Received: from webmail.hitv.ru (mail.hitv.ru [217.66.16.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E7E8FC0A for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.hitv.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.hitv.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213D14AD154; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:31:59 +0400 (MSK) Received: from zealot.ksu.ru (zealot.hitv.ru [83.151.8.230]) by webmail.hitv.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id D832A4AD141; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:31:58 +0400 (MSK) Received: from zealot.ksu.ru (localhost.lnet [127.0.0.1]) by zealot.ksu.ru (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pASAVwMA062820; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:31:58 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from amarat@ksu.ru) Message-ID: <4ED3631E.1090701@ksu.ru> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:31:58 +0400 From: "Marat N.Afanasyev" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111009 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam K Kirchhoff References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <4ED356D5.70102@ksu.ru> <4ED35E61.7040306@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4ED35E61.7040306@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050505080700070302000903" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:32:01 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050505080700070302000903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > On 11/28/11 04:39, Marat N.Afanasyev wrote: >> Luigi Rizzo wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I am looking for suggestions for a video card that works with >>> some Xorg driver on FreeBSD/amd64 (either RELENG_9 or HEAD). >>> I am not interested in anything fancy, just plain 2d desktop >>> and video playback. >>> >>> I have some new machines with i7-2600k CPU but the onboard >>> card is not recognised by the newer intel drivers, and the vesa >>> driver crashes as soon as i do something (such as changing >>> resolution to something different from 1024, or switching vtys, etc).= >>> I understand that there is work in progress on the Intel side >>> but i will post a separate msg on the topic. >>> >>> I can get some nvidia (GeForce: 210 or GT520) or ATI (Sapphire Radeon= : >>> HD5450 or HD5570) but am unclear if/how they are supported. The >>> nvidia drivers on the nvidia page say there is only FreeBSD/x86 suppo= rt, >>> and googling around doesn't give any good or encouraging suggestions.= >>> >>> Can anyone with xorg working on FreeBSD/amd64 share some info on his >>> configuration ? >>> >>> thanks >>> luigi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >>> >> >> In your case I suggest to try Nvidia first with their binary drivers. >> >> If they do not work, use any Radeon with open-source driver, you >> should have accelerated 2d and overlay video support, but no 3d >> acceleration on Radeon. >> > > The radeons listed do not have *any* acceleration, 2D or 3D. > > Adam > hmm. I thought that 5xxx was r700 based, mea culpa. so, Luigi, you=20 should use Nvidia or, if you prefer open-source drivers, try to find=20 Radeon up to 4xxx --=20 SY, Marat --------------ms050505080700070302000903-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 10:54:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F46A106564A for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:54:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joel@vnode.se) Received: from mail.vnode.se (mail.vnode.se [62.119.52.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39178FC13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.vnode.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.vnode.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC4CE3F07C; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:37:10 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at vnode.se Received: from mail.vnode.se ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.vnode.se (mail.vnode.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ktoOSpxAfkx6; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:37:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from goofy01.vnodelab.local (unknown [212.247.52.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.vnode.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 579ADE3F079; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:37:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:37:02 +0100 From: Joel Dahl To: Luigi Rizzo Message-ID: <20111128103702.GF23987@goofy01.vnodelab.local> References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:54:19 -0000 On 28-11-2011 10:20, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Hi, > I am looking for suggestions for a video card that works with > some Xorg driver on FreeBSD/amd64 (either RELENG_9 or HEAD). > I am not interested in anything fancy, just plain 2d desktop > and video playback. > > I have some new machines with i7-2600k CPU but the onboard > card is not recognised by the newer intel drivers, and the vesa > driver crashes as soon as i do something (such as changing > resolution to something different from 1024, or switching vtys, etc). > I understand that there is work in progress on the Intel side > but i will post a separate msg on the topic. http://wiki.freebsd.org/Intel_GPU -- Joel From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 11:07:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693DA1065689 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:07:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E73B8FC18 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pASB7Zx7043157 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:07:35 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id pASB7Ywc043142 for freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:07:34 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:07:34 GMT Message-Id: <201111281107.pASB7Ywc043142@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:07:35 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o ports/162592 x11 [patch] update x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati to 6.14.3 o ports/161480 x11 [patch] x11/luit: don't depend on pty(4), use openpty( o ports/161021 x11 [patch] x11/xkeyboard-config: orphaned dirs when WITHO o ports/160968 x11 [patch] ports/x11/libXi broken manpages o ports/160963 x11 [patch] x11/bigreqsproto: disable specs p ports/160357 x11 x11/dri2proto port update o ports/160354 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel29 port update o ports/159792 x11 [patch] USB HID devices support for x11-drivers/xf86-i o ports/158529 x11 [patch] x11-servers/xorg-server: conditionalize --with o ports/158513 x11 Broken Xvideo in x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel drivers o ports/157282 x11 [MAINTAINER PATCH] net/xrdp: effective login name is n o ports/156949 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati 6.14.1 produce black blank f ports/156424 x11 8.2R xrandr & xf86-video-intel & xorg-server packages o ports/156405 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati driver: no hardware renderi o ports/156369 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-vmware: DPI value wrong calcula o ports/156368 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-vmware: pwcview does not work o ports/156042 x11 x11/xorg hang in combination with KWin-Tiling o ports/155696 x11 [patch] x11-servers/xorg-server: chase AIGLX altered d o ports/155683 x11 x11/xdm [patch] Enabling IPv6 support breaks IPv4 o ports/154651 x11 [PATCH] graphics/dri: make it possible to choose which f ports/154510 x11 [patch] x11/xorg: xorg servers have Motif-crippling bu o ports/154502 x11 x11/xdm authorization failure when used with E17 windo o ports/154449 x11 x11/xorg: missing manpage (7) Xsecurity o ports/154423 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-radeonhd: radeon xorg driver ca o ports/153593 x11 graphics/dri: clutter segfault, something to do with i o ports/153495 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati wavy line problem for lenov o ports/153358 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel: Intel driver freeze with o ports/152159 x11 [hang] xorg/x11: X11 freezes with Intel Mobile 965 and o ports/151596 x11 x11/xorg: wacom bamboo button 1 no longer works o ports/150633 x11 x11-servers/xorg-server: KVM switching causing X serve o ports/150155 x11 x11/xorg hangs after xrandr(1) usage o ports/149743 x11 x11/xorg: garbled window since Xorg-7.5 o ports/149636 x11 x11/xorg: buffer overflow in pci_device_freebsd_read_r o ports/148591 x11 information note for x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics o ports/148444 x11 [hang] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel: intel driver free f ports/148340 x11 x11-drivers/xf86-video-neomagic: unresolved symbol xf8 o ports/147318 x11 [Patch]graphics/libdrm:Fix the PLIST when define WITHO o ports/147149 x11 x11/xorg: Xorg 7.5 hangs o ports/146460 x11 x11/xorg: crash after upgrade to v7.5 with radeon driv o ports/146321 x11 x11/libSM picks the wrong uuid.h o ports/146256 x11 x11/xorg does fails to start after upgrade from 7.4 to o ports/145649 x11 x11/xorg: X server crashes when starting opengl compos o ports/142069 x11 x11/xorg: After adding on a laptop Toshiba Sattelite L o ports/141660 x11 x11/xorg: X can't determine amount of video memory on o ports/139011 x11 [patch] Add options to support GLX TLS in x11-servers o ports/135276 x11 x11/xorg: GUI running first time only while using Free o ports/134132 x11 x11-servers/xorg-server: Intel i845 - xorg.conf with U o ports/131930 x11 [PATCH] x11-servers/xorg-server coredumps on exit o ports/131726 x11 x11-servers/xorg-server: xorg server messes with my eh s kern/130478 x11 [request] Port Linux kernel stub of nouveau to FreeBSD o ports/122830 x11 x11/xorg: Error in I830WaitLpRing() o ports/120947 x11 x11/xsm ignores system.xsm and .xsmstartup s ports/117907 x11 x11-servers/mga_hal broken on 7.0-BETA (GLIBC error) 53 problems total. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 11:24:03 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C06106566B for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:24:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041928FC13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyg36 with SMTP id 36so4358195qyg.13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:24:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bCMexMVm0+tn/aa51Hrf9cGJ2z/eP8FvNmIaDHWFrYg=; b=QtHCT+9nUaRohm4jgLbr4b8sdnF8dcwtJQYjrw476vpg5xBj7B5MhHD4eNVQ+kUv+O +o297vnGmWdYlzfyMIuUvk1F2Y8AJAnvITtsRr/L86YmfJ/wv45174DJG2alSiSwezgG 1TI0s7aitejsm/kPx5Otblzc3/rdvreiGO4fo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.61.86 with SMTP id s22mr4729417qch.287.1322477676520; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.90.12 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:54:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:54:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Luigi Rizzo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:24:03 -0000 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Hi, > I am looking for suggestions for a video card that works with > some Xorg driver on FreeBSD/amd64 (either RELENG_9 or HEAD). > I am not interested in anything fancy, just plain 2d desktop > and video playback. > > I have some new machines with i7-2600k CPU but the onboard > card is not recognised by the newer intel drivers, and the vesa > driver crashes as soon as i do something (such as changing > resolution to something different from 1024, or switching vtys, etc). > I understand that there is work in progress on the Intel side > but i will post a separate msg on the topic. > > I can get some nvidia (GeForce: 210 or GT520) or ATI (Sapphire Radeon: > HD5450 or HD5570) but am unclear if/how they are supported. The > nvidia drivers on the nvidia page say there is only FreeBSD/x86 support, > and googling around doesn't give any good or encouraging suggestions. > > Can anyone with xorg working on FreeBSD/amd64 share some info on his > configuration ? > > thanks > luigi > I am not an expert about hardware issues in FreeBSD . After reading many mails , and some documents , I have decided to buy the following hardware http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFX http://xfxforce.com/en-us/Products/Graphics-Cards/ATI/ATI-Radeon-HD-4000-Series/ATI-Radeon-HD-4670.aspx http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dp67de.html to perform the following tasks : - To attach two monitors to the video card . - To modify / improve FreeBSD / Xorg sources to divert ( serial console , stdout , stderr ) outputs to one of the monitors , and the rest into the other monitor . Reasons to select the hardware : - I think Intel boards are more reliable , more suitable for Unix from the other brands within very limited budget , - ATI Radeon has more information sources than Nvidia with respect to open source software . There is no any documentation about Nvidia chipsets ( or I could NOT find ) . http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonProgram http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ http://developer.amd.com/documentation/guides/Pages/default.aspx http://developer.amd.com/zones/opensource/Pages/default.aspx Within one week , I think , I will be able to obtain the above parts . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 11:33:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB844106566C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gperez@entel.upc.edu) Received: from dash.upc.es (dash.upc.es [147.83.2.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E71D8FC08 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:33:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ackerman2.upc.es (ackerman2.upc.es [147.83.2.244]) by dash.upc.es (8.14.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id pASA0prn014128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:00:51 +0100 Received: from portgus.lan ([147.83.40.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by ackerman2.upc.es (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pASA0m85016607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:00:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4ED35BCD.5090501@entel.upc.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:00:45 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gustau_P=E9rez?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111111 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo References: <20111128092554.GB58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> In-Reply-To: <20111128092554.GB58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.70 on 147.83.2.244 X-Mail-Scanned: Criba 2.0 + Clamd X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (dash.upc.es [147.83.2.50]); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:00:51 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel driver patch 11.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:33:19 -0000 On 28/11/2011 10:25, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > hi, > I see a thread on work in progress to support the on-chip video > card on recent intel CPU/chipsets. Does anyone have an URL for > patches and possibly summary instructions on how to try this code ? > > I am trying to make xorg work on a FreeBSD/amd64 system with an > i7-2600k CPU and the onboard video controller, and vesa is a no-go, > as it crashes the system as soon as i switch VTYs or change > resolution above 1024 pixels... > > thanks > luigi > __________________ hi, check this: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Intel_GPU basically ffetch the last patch to your kernel sources and recompile. Keep in mind that when kldloading i915 you won't have any tty because of the modesetting. The i915 will automatically set hw.dri.debug=2 which will slow down things, so I recommend you setting it to 0 if it works for you. It would also help using the last xorg (not the ports one) by checking out this: svn co http://trillian.chruetertee.ch/ports/browser/branches/xorg-dev I also recommend you to use this script to merge the xorg-dev tree: http://people.freebsd.org/~miwi/xorg/xorgmerge the xorg dev tree includes latest libdrm and friends. In fact I would first recompile X and then try with the intel driver if I were you. I've tried a few different cards (the newest is a sandy-m) in that way with quite success. Gus From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 12:04:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DCE106564A for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:04:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gljennjohn@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54238FC13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so10394248bkb.13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:04:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vbrYMk7pY9fBBRHqCxaBWd5kd4bGybtLjNxJBYJKtRA=; b=RkI4Z3Cwc/Oqhx37GM9byQsX+hIW3fO1kQcZx+PI0x9iDWg50h+lpL36vyt6qTlqCT maAWdWQbw4oaFW7SoiIRok/Rgv9ID343F6jqulP/iEExkvd2g1erFtFz49dWmS0QFBIC 6cxp//j2T3iG/HwFwPfo5gVb2QfXw+W4Bc5QI= Received: by 10.205.128.19 with SMTP id hc19mr45629301bkc.9.1322480358813; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernst.jennejohn.org (p578E0DDC.dip.t-dialin.net. [87.142.13.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f14sm29137063bkv.3.2011.11.28.03.39.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:39:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:39:15 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Luigi Rizzo Message-ID: <20111128123915.540564b1@ernst.jennejohn.org> In-Reply-To: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.18.7; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:04:59 -0000 On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:20:08 +0100 Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Hi, > I am looking for suggestions for a video card that works with > some Xorg driver on FreeBSD/amd64 (either RELENG_9 or HEAD). > I am not interested in anything fancy, just plain 2d desktop > and video playback. > > I have some new machines with i7-2600k CPU but the onboard > card is not recognised by the newer intel drivers, and the vesa > driver crashes as soon as i do something (such as changing > resolution to something different from 1024, or switching vtys, etc). > I understand that there is work in progress on the Intel side > but i will post a separate msg on the topic. > > I can get some nvidia (GeForce: 210 or GT520) or ATI (Sapphire Radeon: > HD5450 or HD5570) but am unclear if/how they are supported. The > nvidia drivers on the nvidia page say there is only FreeBSD/x86 support, > and googling around doesn't give any good or encouraging suggestions. > > Can anyone with xorg working on FreeBSD/amd64 share some info on his > configuration ? > Are you aware of this? http://wiki.freebsd.org/Intel_GPU It's the result of a FreeBSD Foundation project to integrate the brain-dead Linux in-kernel graphics support. Not 100% finished yet. As to ATI - I don't think that either radeonhd or the ati driver support these newer chips, but I could be wrong. I'm running radeonhd but I have integrated graphics based on the older ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics controller. -- Gary Jennejohn From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 13:06:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF61D1065676 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:06:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9858FC0C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbbfr13 with SMTP id fr13so1167185vbb.13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 05:06:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TqvB6bgoKYESpo5TK0lW61RC6Dxo6/o6F1Qmi9JoJtw=; b=bHLDRIHblvQtpAO/17OA6tc9awd0G6i1I8wARbWfeINdzMxz5EOrQZty0xNi9o7L4i 5geR/ZzoQ27flipY9Yl20mem1iZaj2yfRuYCIWUoFMRBLnBn/xvxetDt35j7tV7BJvOc du/bpMxTpKsZ0sQ8p+pxEgctJhIXsTksqpqfc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.117.65 with SMTP id kc1mr43038777vdb.66.1322483749380; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.28.84 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 04:35:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:35:49 +0000 Message-ID: From: Tom Evans To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:06:39 -0000 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > After reading many mails , and some documents , I have decided to buy the > following > hardware > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFX > http://xfxforce.com/en-us/Products/Graphics-Cards/ATI/ATI-Radeon-HD-4000-= Series/ATI-Radeon-HD-4670.aspx > > > http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/= desktop-board-dp67de.html > > to perform the following tasks : > > - To attach two monitors to the video card . > - To modify / improve FreeBSD / Xorg sources to divert ( serial console , > stdout , stderr ) outputs to one of the monitors =C2=A0, and the rest int= o the > other monitor . > > > Reasons to select the hardware : > > > - I think Intel boards are more reliable , more suitable for Unix from th= e > other brands within > very limited budget , > > - ATI Radeon has more information sources than Nvidia with respect to ope= n > source software . There is no any documentation about Nvidia chipsets ( o= r > I could NOT find ) . > So, I would always recommend nvidia, using the closed source binary drivers from nvidia. I've used these drivers with all sorts of nvidia cards, and everything - 2D acceleration, OpenGL, multiple monitors, video decode acceleration - has always worked perfectly. nvidia actually develop the driver, and there are frequent releases. New cards are supported as soon as they are released. Here is a list of supported devices from the latest driver release: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/FreeBSD-x86_64/290.10/README/supporte= dchips.html Cheers Tom From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 28 22:55:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15C8106566C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:55:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE34E8FC14 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iakl21 with SMTP id l21so14314041iak.13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:55:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Oy+OAdHT8R1q1/ucDrjznUsNkSsSBkS//2viDchqLQY=; b=WcfDmIY57pxdwfTbQvhSf1A9sdbuuMHzvjLCbIZgMspJukX8z6o3uK3FAyDsoo2Qty 7elrCp+0Gn1S7lli0SdJVvgPCsdnif/33pi4XsWKXqB8+Nizewq7lrn652TlcNecxT+L pb45TX5OUECtWRMO3w+rHJHX3yZK2JCPUkrJo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.150.135 with SMTP id a7mr25862026icw.53.1322520947052; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.46.198 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:55:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111128123915.540564b1@ernst.jennejohn.org> References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111128123915.540564b1@ernst.jennejohn.org> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:55:46 -0800 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:55:48 -0000 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > As to ATI - I don't think that either radeonhd or the ati driver support > these newer chips, but I could be wrong. =A0I'm running radeonhd but I > have integrated graphics based on the older ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics > controller. > > -- > Gary Jennejohn Just a quick reminder as it seems to be forgotten too often...radeonhd has not been supported or updated in a long time and is generally a bad choice. Modern Radeon (4xxx) is supported much better with the ati driver which is still getting some love. Since Radeon is open-source, you might expect good support, but it also depends on kernel mode setting and requires custom KMS DRI code in the kernel which I am not sure anyone is working on for FreeBSD. Maybe when the Intel KMS is completed... --=20 R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 02:24:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3B8106564A for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AB18FC12 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pAT1kNYr013117; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pAT1kNGG013114; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Kevin Oberman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111128123915.540564b1@ernst.jennejohn.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:24:18 -0000 On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, Kevin Oberman wrote: > Just a quick reminder as it seems to be forgotten too often...radeonhd > has not been supported or updated in a long time and is generally a > bad choice. Modern Radeon (4xxx) is supported much better with the ati > driver which is still getting some love. > > Since Radeon is open-source, you might expect good support, but it > also depends on kernel mode setting and requires custom KMS DRI code > in the kernel which I am not sure anyone is working on for FreeBSD. > > Maybe when the Intel KMS is completed... The Foundation has expressed interest in funding someone to work on it. http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=27255 Spread the word. Kostik Belousov has said he won't be workin on the radeon driver. Don't know why. If anyone can be found to work on it, I'm pretty sure a bunch of people would be willing to individually contribute additional funding or hardware. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 03:20:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A514E106566C for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:20:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319978FC1E for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so11695318bkb.13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:20:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=s+2Kt0YPrn8NAjTLevOiOUFaTDJIhG5IWQezjuLXgDo=; b=HxL5oond4m6JiOPCkt6wfImurGuNnHXGef2LeiliJJ2ifv2DrOD5FeU4ZDmV/Kosk1 L0kmPKcVJ7NozgfhKklXUIPtsvF0TpEVaDCChNuYqLIvUd8C+e5Ge+HOPZrKD51qgcVm RM3DHQGOBXCAMm2xuebM8ZOZbjdX0o9jxhdrU= Received: by 10.205.133.4 with SMTP id hw4mr47184025bkc.91.1322535217259; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:53:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.161.195 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:53:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:53:06 -0500 Message-ID: To: Aryeh Friedman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xdm does not work junder BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:20:16 -0000 On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> Did it ever work? ie did a recent update break it? >> Also, is there anything relevant in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? I can't reproduce this on either my dev machine or my virtual box. There very well may be a problem, but I can't help without more details. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 03:43:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADE7106566C for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:43:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352C58FC1C for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iakl21 with SMTP id l21so14798813iak.13 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:43:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eaU6JDT3lwVNEoVTqYMB7rXic1ah8EyIhbW+mlmylTo=; b=Y8LvoOOb/u17OwS/fpEyLr8tXcRIR8s4nK1yNsEii+SCv+tEfjkKCx21c9jpH01f1H O6WA5uR5Rx3vDW9sKmyCZLPe4xgrRn0PNbuH1euKZAORSVp7Mml1gS5ONPGiTN39N3Ak m6SQiMOMH8pfYnfjhfHZ7qJmkNTmMi5KUraus= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.51.69 with SMTP id vh5mr28300300icb.32.1322536611247; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.223.202 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:16:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:16:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: Aryeh Friedman To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xdm does not work junder BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:43:45 -0000 I found the problem it never deleted the /var/run/xdm.pid on reboot On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > >> Did it ever work? ie did a recent update break it? > >> Also, is there anything relevant in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? > > I can't reproduce this on either my dev machine or my virtual box. > There very well may be a problem, but I can't help without more > details. > > > -- > Eitan Adler > From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 08:23:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9AC1065670 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gljennjohn@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03D38FC20 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so12100459bkb.13 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:23:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KhyqbGe9GXC9TLG7LupWlIMyUMc3J6VSaik+R1c9N7g=; b=JtsyRqPs0D3DSy9JmZb9Kw1vASbEk6CmLoo+GGlBRBvoWTFAYcjO5mpRPvMa5afZOz 5z5vUtHdLGFC4bE+jNOGl6tD/4/HUr+LcsiNGb8gjJQecEAUhURW1qHCZwnY1gkWqcxp 9EyxO8JkwK3h7rE6Cr299jQ3a3DhtS4r7ztRQ= Received: by 10.204.9.216 with SMTP id m24mr48534547bkm.98.1322555001493; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernst.jennejohn.org (p578E133C.dip.t-dialin.net. [87.142.19.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e18sm35384271bkr.15.2011.11.29.00.23.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:23:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:23:18 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20111129092318.1db951c7@ernst.jennejohn.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111128123915.540564b1@ernst.jennejohn.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.18.7; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:23:23 -0000 On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:55:46 -0800 Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Gary Jennejohn > wrote: > > As to ATI - I don't think that either radeonhd or the ati driver support > > these newer chips, but I could be wrong.  I'm running radeonhd but I > > have integrated graphics based on the older ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics > > controller. > > > > -- > > Gary Jennejohn > > Just a quick reminder as it seems to be forgotten too often...radeonhd > has not been supported or updated in a long time and is generally a > bad choice. Modern Radeon (4xxx) is supported much better with the ati > driver which is still getting some love. > > Since Radeon is open-source, you might expect good support, but it > also depends on kernel mode setting and requires custom KMS DRI code > in the kernel which I am not sure anyone is working on for FreeBSD. > > Maybe when the Intel KMS is completed... > I used ATI for quite awhile, but I'm not running Xorg from ports but rather from HEAD and the ATI driver in ports doesn't work with it. Since radeonhd works well enough for me I didn't bother pursuing it. -- Gary Jennejohn From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 09:00:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6781065680 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:00:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gljennjohn@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D928FC12 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faak28 with SMTP id k28so762647faa.13 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:00:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ApB+y/KOnNOiBx6THsk8QpeAHI7a1fCOUKuSmMg3xnc=; b=SfmmLqCwze3OjiIK8TC8cC30KnPHb1Jz+Pv+qe6iQ6Du5P+wbebbUgfGAn6Et/h0Se Sr18D8lTlQJl9MSJxCEIC7bvEo8hTtopHF5gFhaZ9I0LCnK1bK/KPubCUc3I4yojR2xN 8qWIbXX4inWinz0mzHKSGCULOjCV7DDb3AAhc= Received: by 10.204.13.70 with SMTP id b6mr50422257bka.78.1322557239109; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:00:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernst.jennejohn.org (p578E133C.dip.t-dialin.net. [87.142.19.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j9sm35628561bkd.2.2011.11.29.01.00.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:00:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:00:35 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111128123915.540564b1@ernst.jennejohn.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.18.7; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:00:41 -0000 On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Just a quick reminder as it seems to be forgotten too often...radeonhd > > has not been supported or updated in a long time and is generally a > > bad choice. Modern Radeon (4xxx) is supported much better with the ati > > driver which is still getting some love. > > > > Since Radeon is open-source, you might expect good support, but it > > also depends on kernel mode setting and requires custom KMS DRI code > > in the kernel which I am not sure anyone is working on for FreeBSD. > > > > Maybe when the Intel KMS is completed... > > The Foundation has expressed interest in funding someone to work on it. > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=27255 > > Spread the word. > > Kostik Belousov has said he won't be workin on the radeon driver. > Don't know why. If anyone can be found to work on it, I'm pretty sure a > bunch of people would be willing to individually contribute additional > funding or hardware. I don't think he wants to take on TTM. Could also be that he doesn't have any hardware, which would IMO be a major problem for whomever takes this on considering the rate at which AMD/ATI brings new chips to market. High-end cards, which are usually the first to market, can be quite expensive. -- Gary Jennejohn From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 10:24:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C709D106566B for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:24:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4C98FC0A for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyg36 with SMTP id 36so5383599qyg.13 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:24:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mU5znJNwj17PbR2ocy19tVG1EHvgCtrVvPq06U9DhjI=; b=dQRErrF9cn0qz/rdB4Yr0h/B2Z8NXpfoLw4zNLAEKO1A2uwpB2LwbFsSaiS+rvDzn8 xR3h8CGCuzqUsqC+9lEWZupjHFgsVVY5B63Gpa9IaaHQDI1zVddjncYRVXimru1NdAsU drjSifq+aZmYghtt0uMHNisTFPHjGUeXh6GuU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.20.193 with SMTP id g1mr5262755qcb.173.1322562271623; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:24:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.90.12 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:24:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111128123915.540564b1@ernst.jennejohn.org> <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: gljennjohn@googlemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:24:32 -0000 On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) > Warren Block wrote: > > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > > Just a quick reminder as it seems to be forgotten too often...radeonhd > > > has not been supported or updated in a long time and is generally a > > > bad choice. Modern Radeon (4xxx) is supported much better with the ati > > > driver which is still getting some love. > > > > > > Since Radeon is open-source, you might expect good support, but it > > > also depends on kernel mode setting and requires custom KMS DRI code > > > in the kernel which I am not sure anyone is working on for FreeBSD. > > > > > > Maybe when the Intel KMS is completed... > > > > The Foundation has expressed interest in funding someone to work on it. > > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=27255 > > > > Spread the word. > > > > Kostik Belousov has said he won't be workin on the radeon driver. > > Don't know why. If anyone can be found to work on it, I'm pretty sure a > > bunch of people would be willing to individually contribute additional > > funding or hardware. > > I don't think he wants to take on TTM. Could also be that he doesn't > have any hardware, which would IMO be a major problem for whomever > takes this on considering the rate at which AMD/ATI brings new chips > to market. High-end cards, which are usually the first to market, can > be quite expensive. > > -- > Gary Jennejohn > Some example lists of sample prices : http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st?bbn=284822&hidden-keywords=pcie&qid=1322562190&rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A%21493964%2Cn%3A541966%2Cn%3A193870011%2Cn%3A284822%2Cp_4%3AATI&sort=-price http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/guidedSearch.asp?CatId=28&sel=Detail%3B229_176_68682_68682 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/guidedSearch.asp?CatId=28&sel=Detail%3B229_176_48676_48676 http://www.alternate.de/ http://www.newegg.com/ In some countries , the prices may be much higher than in those list prices . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 14:58:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5243106566B for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A9E8FC18 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pATEwTTv017484; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:58:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id pATEwRxp017481; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:58:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:58:27 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Gary Jennejohn In-Reply-To: <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> Message-ID: References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111128123915.540564b1@ernst.jennejohn.org> <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:58:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:58:30 -0000 On Tue, 29 Nov 2011, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) > Warren Block wrote: >> >> The Foundation has expressed interest in funding someone to work on it. >> http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=27255 >> >> Spread the word. >> >> Kostik Belousov has said he won't be workin on the radeon driver. >> Don't know why. If anyone can be found to work on it, I'm pretty sure a >> bunch of people would be willing to individually contribute additional >> funding or hardware. > > I don't think he wants to take on TTM. Could also be that he doesn't > have any hardware, which would IMO be a major problem for whomever > takes this on considering the rate at which AMD/ATI brings new chips > to market. High-end cards, which are usually the first to market, can > be quite expensive. Possibly getting KMS working for Radeons in general would get most of the radeon driver-supported hardware working. The Foundation sometimes provide hardware, and interested parties have been known to loan or contribute cards they particularly want supported, or at least test on their hardware. The major trick is finding someone with the rare combination of skill in kernel, drivers, and video hardware, and the time/motivation to make the changes. What Kostik Belousov has done in a few months on the Intel driver is amazing. From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 18:04:24 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Received: from [127.0.0.1] (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B081065673; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkim@FreeBSD.org) From: Jung-uk Kim To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org, gljennjohn@googlemail.com Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:04:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> In-Reply-To: <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111291304.15998.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:04:25 -0000 On Tuesday 29 November 2011 04:00 am, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) > > Warren Block wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Just a quick reminder as it seems to be forgotten too > > > often...radeonhd has not been supported or updated in a long > > > time and is generally a bad choice. Modern Radeon (4xxx) is > > > supported much better with the ati driver which is still > > > getting some love. > > > > > > Since Radeon is open-source, you might expect good support, but > > > it also depends on kernel mode setting and requires custom KMS > > > DRI code in the kernel which I am not sure anyone is working on > > > for FreeBSD. > > > > > > Maybe when the Intel KMS is completed... > > > > The Foundation has expressed interest in funding someone to work > > on it. http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=27255 > > > > Spread the word. > > > > Kostik Belousov has said he won't be workin on the radeon driver. > > Don't know why. If anyone can be found to work on it, I'm pretty > > sure a bunch of people would be willing to individually > > contribute additional funding or hardware. > > I don't think he wants to take on TTM. Could also be that he > doesn't have any hardware, which would IMO be a major problem for > whomever takes this on considering the rate at which AMD/ATI brings > new chips to market. High-end cards, which are usually the first > to market, can be quite expensive. I believe major hurdle is porting TTM but the future of this API is not so bright. In fact, X.org ATI driver uses GEM API now and it is internally mapped to TTM calls by Linux DRM (aka "GEM-ified TTM manager"). Unfortunately, as always, I don't see clear plans from Linux/X.org developers. I can only guess few possibilities. 1. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native GEM calls. 2. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native TTM calls. 3. Linux/X.org folks re-invent new wheels (again). 4. No change. My guess is #1 is most likely scenario in the near future. Even if Linux/X.org folks don't do it, we may be able to implement it without TTM because X.org ATI driver uses GEM API already and we do not have AMD/ATI Catalyst driver for FreeBSD anyway. So, I guess we have two choices ATM: 1. Fully porting TTM, GEM-ified TTM, and KMS. 2. Replacing GEM-ified TTM with GEM and porting KMS. BTW, I am not volunteering. ;-) Jung-uk Kim From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 18:19:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979CD1065670 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:19:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from akirchhoff135014@comcast.net) Received: from omr7.networksolutionsemail.com (omr7.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550478FC08 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:19:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cm-omr3 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr7.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pATIJmAh031196 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:19:48 -0500 Authentication-Results: cm-omr3 smtp.user=adamk@mckella280.com; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: adamk@mckella280.com Received: from [67.103.204.242] ([67.103.204.242:43567] helo=memory.visualtech.com) by cm-omr3 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id D8/61-04867-34225DE4; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:19:48 -0500 Message-ID: <4ED52241.5040104@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:19:45 -0500 From: Adam K Kirchhoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111118 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> <201111291304.15998.jkim@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <201111291304.15998.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:19:50 -0000 On 11/29/11 13:04, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > > I believe major hurdle is porting TTM but the future of this API is > not so bright. In fact, X.org ATI driver uses GEM API now and it is > internally mapped to TTM calls by Linux DRM (aka "GEM-ified TTM > manager"). Unfortunately, as always, I don't see clear plans from > Linux/X.org developers. I can only guess few possibilities. > > 1. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native GEM calls. > 2. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native TTM calls. > 3. Linux/X.org folks re-invent new wheels (again). > 4. No change. > > My guess is #1 is most likely scenario in the near future. Even if > Linux/X.org folks don't do it, we may be able to implement it without > TTM because X.org ATI driver uses GEM API already and we do not have > AMD/ATI Catalyst driver for FreeBSD anyway. So, I guess we have two > choices ATM: > > 1. Fully porting TTM, GEM-ified TTM, and KMS. > 2. Replacing GEM-ified TTM with GEM and porting KMS. > > BTW, I am not volunteering. ;-) > > Jung-uk Kim > _______________________ Every conversation I've had with the radeon driver developers on the matter, even quite recently, has led me to believe that TTM will not be going away. GEM is only appropriate for IGP GPUs. Unless that changes within GEM, I do believe TTM will be used internally on the radeon DRM indefinitely. If I had to guess, I'd say that anyone on the FreeBSD side deciding to get rid of TTM and use GEM only GEM for radeons would eventually come to the same conclusion as the developers who have been working with radeon hardware for years :-) Adam From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 18:37:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFF91065748 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:37:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from akirchhoff135014@comcast.net) Received: from omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (omr5.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1758FC1D for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cm-omr7 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr5.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pATIaxli030367 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:36:59 -0500 Authentication-Results: cm-omr7 smtp.user=adamk@mckella280.com; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: adamk@mckella280.com Received: from [67.103.204.242] ([67.103.204.242:37345] helo=memory.visualtech.com) by cm-omr7 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id 0E/8B-04871-94625DE4; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:36:58 -0500 Message-ID: <4ED52648.9020908@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:36:56 -0500 From: Adam K Kirchhoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111118 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> <201111291304.15998.jkim@FreeBSD.org> <4ED52241.5040104@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4ED52241.5040104@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:37:00 -0000 On 11/29/11 13:19, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > On 11/29/11 13:04, Jung-uk Kim wrote: >> >> I believe major hurdle is porting TTM but the future of this API is >> not so bright. In fact, X.org ATI driver uses GEM API now and it is >> internally mapped to TTM calls by Linux DRM (aka "GEM-ified TTM >> manager"). Unfortunately, as always, I don't see clear plans from >> Linux/X.org developers. I can only guess few possibilities. >> >> 1. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native GEM calls. >> 2. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native TTM calls. >> 3. Linux/X.org folks re-invent new wheels (again). >> 4. No change. >> >> My guess is #1 is most likely scenario in the near future. Even if >> Linux/X.org folks don't do it, we may be able to implement it without >> TTM because X.org ATI driver uses GEM API already and we do not have >> AMD/ATI Catalyst driver for FreeBSD anyway. So, I guess we have two >> choices ATM: >> >> 1. Fully porting TTM, GEM-ified TTM, and KMS. >> 2. Replacing GEM-ified TTM with GEM and porting KMS. >> >> BTW, I am not volunteering. ;-) >> >> Jung-uk Kim >> _______________________ > > Every conversation I've had with the radeon driver developers on the > matter, even quite recently, has led me to believe that TTM will not > be going away. GEM is only appropriate for IGP GPUs. Unless that > changes within GEM, I do believe TTM will be used internally on the > radeon DRM indefinitely. > > If I had to guess, I'd say that anyone on the FreeBSD side deciding to > get rid of TTM and use GEM only GEM for radeons would eventually come > to the same conclusion as the developers who have been working with > radeon hardware for years :-) > Correction. GEM seems to be focused on Intel IGP GPUs. According to one of the radeon developers on #radeon on freenode, even radeon IGP GPUs need something like TTM. Honestly, I'm wondering how you came to the conclusion that future of TTM is not so bright... ? :-) From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 18:38:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803DA106566B for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.zoral.com.ua (mx0.zoral.com.ua [91.193.166.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE528FC13 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alf.home (alf.kiev.zoral.com.ua [10.1.1.177]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id pATIceut049614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:38:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from alf.home (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alf.home (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pATIcePw075292; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:38:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by alf.home (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id pATIcdJw075291; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:38:39 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: alf.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:38:39 +0200 From: Kostik Belousov To: Jung-uk Kim Message-ID: <20111129183839.GU50300@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <20111129100035.24025c26@ernst.jennejohn.org> <201111291304.15998.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="V+8luzY1PD+TDvq+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201111291304.15998.jkim@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:38:53 -0000 --V+8luzY1PD+TDvq+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 01:04:14PM -0500, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > On Tuesday 29 November 2011 04:00 am, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) > > > > Warren Block wrote: > > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > Just a quick reminder as it seems to be forgotten too > > > > often...radeonhd has not been supported or updated in a long > > > > time and is generally a bad choice. Modern Radeon (4xxx) is > > > > supported much better with the ati driver which is still > > > > getting some love. > > > > > > > > Since Radeon is open-source, you might expect good support, but > > > > it also depends on kernel mode setting and requires custom KMS > > > > DRI code in the kernel which I am not sure anyone is working on > > > > for FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > Maybe when the Intel KMS is completed... > > > > > > The Foundation has expressed interest in funding someone to work > > > on it. http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D27255 > > > > > > Spread the word. > > > > > > Kostik Belousov has said he won't be workin on the radeon driver. > > > Don't know why. If anyone can be found to work on it, I'm pretty > > > sure a bunch of people would be willing to individually > > > contribute additional funding or hardware. > > > > I don't think he wants to take on TTM. Could also be that he > > doesn't have any hardware, which would IMO be a major problem for > > whomever takes this on considering the rate at which AMD/ATI brings > > new chips to market. High-end cards, which are usually the first > > to market, can be quite expensive. >=20 > I believe major hurdle is porting TTM but the future of this API is=20 > not so bright. In fact, X.org ATI driver uses GEM API now and it is=20 > internally mapped to TTM calls by Linux DRM (aka "GEM-ified TTM=20 > manager"). Unfortunately, as always, I don't see clear plans from=20 > Linux/X.org developers. I can only guess few possibilities. >=20 > 1. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native GEM calls. > 2. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native TTM calls. > 3. Linux/X.org folks re-invent new wheels (again). > 4. No change. >=20 > My guess is #1 is most likely scenario in the near future. Even if=20 > Linux/X.org folks don't do it, we may be able to implement it without=20 > TTM because X.org ATI driver uses GEM API already and we do not have=20 > AMD/ATI Catalyst driver for FreeBSD anyway. So, I guess we have two=20 > choices ATM: >=20 > 1. Fully porting TTM, GEM-ified TTM, and KMS. > 2. Replacing GEM-ified TTM with GEM and porting KMS. >=20 > BTW, I am not volunteering. ;-) GEM is sort of API, which provides the interface between user and kernel callers and the real code managing the GPU. TTM is memory manager, which was designed for GPUs that have on-board memory and also can access host memory. Besides memory manager, you also need a thick layer of card-specific code. This is only for the execution part. I already stated several times that I will port TTM if somebody takes care of the card specific execution code and KMS. I found that KMS is not very interesting for me. Another problem with already ported Intel driver and possibly ported Radeon driver is the need for shared pool of people interested in taking the updates from Linux and merging it back to FreeBSD. This is definitely not hard to do, e.g the merge of changes from the 3.2 merge window took ~5 hours of my time. but I do not want to do this forever. --V+8luzY1PD+TDvq+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk7VJq0ACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4jYkACeNLIEqq7JBdljsb7cFLZTdfUq VYQAnRVfalyJij8M4sDk1XzsT4ktCGUP =A3e2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --V+8luzY1PD+TDvq+-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 19:12:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Received: from [127.0.0.1] (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45ACF1065675; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkim@FreeBSD.org) From: Jung-uk Kim To: freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:12:10 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <4ED52241.5040104@comcast.net> <4ED52648.9020908@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4ED52648.9020908@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111291412.28576.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:12:36 -0000 On Tuesday 29 November 2011 01:36 pm, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > On 11/29/11 13:19, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > > On 11/29/11 13:04, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > >> I believe major hurdle is porting TTM but the future of this API > >> is not so bright. In fact, X.org ATI driver uses GEM API now > >> and it is internally mapped to TTM calls by Linux DRM (aka > >> "GEM-ified TTM manager"). Unfortunately, as always, I don't see > >> clear plans from Linux/X.org developers. I can only guess few > >> possibilities. > >> > >> 1. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native GEM > >> calls. 2. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native > >> TTM calls. 3. Linux/X.org folks re-invent new wheels (again). > >> 4. No change. > >> > >> My guess is #1 is most likely scenario in the near future. Even > >> if Linux/X.org folks don't do it, we may be able to implement it > >> without TTM because X.org ATI driver uses GEM API already and we > >> do not have AMD/ATI Catalyst driver for FreeBSD anyway. So, I > >> guess we have two choices ATM: > >> > >> 1. Fully porting TTM, GEM-ified TTM, and KMS. > >> 2. Replacing GEM-ified TTM with GEM and porting KMS. > >> > >> BTW, I am not volunteering. ;-) > >> > >> Jung-uk Kim > >> _______________________ > > > > Every conversation I've had with the radeon driver developers on > > the matter, even quite recently, has led me to believe that TTM > > will not be going away. GEM is only appropriate for IGP GPUs. > > Unless that changes within GEM, I do believe TTM will be used > > internally on the radeon DRM indefinitely. > > > > If I had to guess, I'd say that anyone on the FreeBSD side > > deciding to get rid of TTM and use GEM only GEM for radeons would > > eventually come to the same conclusion as the developers who have > > been working with radeon hardware for years :-) > > Correction. GEM seems to be focused on Intel IGP GPUs. According > to one of the radeon developers on #radeon on freenode, even radeon > IGP GPUs need something like TTM. > > Honestly, I'm wondering how you came to the conclusion that future > of TTM is not so bright... ? :-) I know it was developed for Intel IGPs (by anholt@, former FreeBSD DRM maintainer). However, I was under (wrong?) impression that xf86-video-ati is using GEM API because it wasn't absolutely necessary. AFAIK, Nouveau folks also did something similar, OpenChrome guys are doing the same thing, etc. If TTM is really necessary, why "GEM on TTM" hack in the first place? Jung-uk Kim From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 19:18:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF981106566C for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from akirchhoff135014@comcast.net) Received: from omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (omr6.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAFD8FC08 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cm-omr3 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pATJIHAi010421 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:18:17 -0500 Authentication-Results: cm-omr3 smtp.user=adamk@mckella280.com; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: adamk@mckella280.com Received: from [67.103.204.242] ([67.103.204.242:18835] helo=memory.visualtech.com) by cm-omr3 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id DA/AD-04867-8FF25DE4; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:18:17 -0500 Message-ID: <4ED52FF6.9070104@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:18:14 -0500 From: Adam K Kirchhoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111118 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jung-uk Kim References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <4ED52241.5040104@comcast.net> <4ED52648.9020908@comcast.net> <201111291412.28576.jkim@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <201111291412.28576.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:18:18 -0000 On 11/29/11 14:12, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > On Tuesday 29 November 2011 01:36 pm, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: >> On 11/29/11 13:19, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: >>> On 11/29/11 13:04, Jung-uk Kim wrote: >>>> I believe major hurdle is porting TTM but the future of this API >>>> is not so bright. In fact, X.org ATI driver uses GEM API now >>>> and it is internally mapped to TTM calls by Linux DRM (aka >>>> "GEM-ified TTM manager"). Unfortunately, as always, I don't see >>>> clear plans from Linux/X.org developers. I can only guess few >>>> possibilities. >>>> >>>> 1. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native GEM >>>> calls. 2. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native >>>> TTM calls. 3. Linux/X.org folks re-invent new wheels (again). >>>> 4. No change. >>>> >>>> My guess is #1 is most likely scenario in the near future. Even >>>> if Linux/X.org folks don't do it, we may be able to implement it >>>> without TTM because X.org ATI driver uses GEM API already and we >>>> do not have AMD/ATI Catalyst driver for FreeBSD anyway. So, I >>>> guess we have two choices ATM: >>>> >>>> 1. Fully porting TTM, GEM-ified TTM, and KMS. >>>> 2. Replacing GEM-ified TTM with GEM and porting KMS. >>>> >>>> BTW, I am not volunteering. ;-) >>>> >>>> Jung-uk Kim >>>> _______________________ >>> Every conversation I've had with the radeon driver developers on >>> the matter, even quite recently, has led me to believe that TTM >>> will not be going away. GEM is only appropriate for IGP GPUs. >>> Unless that changes within GEM, I do believe TTM will be used >>> internally on the radeon DRM indefinitely. >>> >>> If I had to guess, I'd say that anyone on the FreeBSD side >>> deciding to get rid of TTM and use GEM only GEM for radeons would >>> eventually come to the same conclusion as the developers who have >>> been working with radeon hardware for years :-) >> Correction. GEM seems to be focused on Intel IGP GPUs. According >> to one of the radeon developers on #radeon on freenode, even radeon >> IGP GPUs need something like TTM. >> >> Honestly, I'm wondering how you came to the conclusion that future >> of TTM is not so bright... ? :-) > I know it was developed for Intel IGPs (by anholt@, former FreeBSD DRM > maintainer). However, I was under (wrong?) impression that > xf86-video-ati is using GEM API because it wasn't absolutely > necessary. AFAIK, Nouveau folks also did something similar, > OpenChrome guys are doing the same thing, etc. If TTM is really > necessary, why "GEM on TTM" hack in the first place? It is my understanding that to simplify have one unified API for interacting with the DRM code, the radeon developers (and others) agreed/decided to use the GEM userspace API, even though the internals (for radeon DRM) require functionality provided by TTM. For what it's worth, the radeon developer I just spoke to even said in order to remove TTM from the equation, "something" would have to be recoded to do "partly what ttm does". Adam From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 19:47:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from [127.0.0.1] (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A70C106566C; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkim@FreeBSD.org) From: Jung-uk Kim To: Kostik Belousov Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:47:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <201111291304.15998.jkim@FreeBSD.org> <20111129183839.GU50300@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> In-Reply-To: <20111129183839.GU50300@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111291447.43176.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:47:50 -0000 On Tuesday 29 November 2011 01:38 pm, Kostik Belousov wrote: > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 01:04:14PM -0500, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > > On Tuesday 29 November 2011 04:00 am, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) > > > > > > Warren Block wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > > Just a quick reminder as it seems to be forgotten too > > > > > often...radeonhd has not been supported or updated in a > > > > > long time and is generally a bad choice. Modern Radeon > > > > > (4xxx) is supported much better with the ati driver which > > > > > is still getting some love. > > > > > > > > > > Since Radeon is open-source, you might expect good support, > > > > > but it also depends on kernel mode setting and requires > > > > > custom KMS DRI code in the kernel which I am not sure > > > > > anyone is working on for FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe when the Intel KMS is completed... > > > > > > > > The Foundation has expressed interest in funding someone to > > > > work on it. http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=27255 > > > > > > > > Spread the word. > > > > > > > > Kostik Belousov has said he won't be workin on the radeon > > > > driver. Don't know why. If anyone can be found to work on > > > > it, I'm pretty sure a bunch of people would be willing to > > > > individually contribute additional funding or hardware. > > > > > > I don't think he wants to take on TTM. Could also be that he > > > doesn't have any hardware, which would IMO be a major problem > > > for whomever takes this on considering the rate at which > > > AMD/ATI brings new chips to market. High-end cards, which are > > > usually the first to market, can be quite expensive. > > > > I believe major hurdle is porting TTM but the future of this API > > is not so bright. In fact, X.org ATI driver uses GEM API now and > > it is internally mapped to TTM calls by Linux DRM (aka "GEM-ified > > TTM manager"). Unfortunately, as always, I don't see clear plans > > from Linux/X.org developers. I can only guess few possibilities. > > > > 1. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native GEM calls. > > 2. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native TTM calls. > > 3. Linux/X.org folks re-invent new wheels (again). > > 4. No change. > > > > My guess is #1 is most likely scenario in the near future. Even > > if Linux/X.org folks don't do it, we may be able to implement it > > without TTM because X.org ATI driver uses GEM API already and we > > do not have AMD/ATI Catalyst driver for FreeBSD anyway. So, I > > guess we have two choices ATM: > > > > 1. Fully porting TTM, GEM-ified TTM, and KMS. > > 2. Replacing GEM-ified TTM with GEM and porting KMS. > > > > BTW, I am not volunteering. ;-) > > GEM is sort of API, which provides the interface between user and > kernel callers and the real code managing the GPU. TTM is memory > manager, which was designed for GPUs that have on-board memory and > also can access host memory. Besides memory manager, you also need > a thick layer of card-specific code. This is only for the execution > part. If my understanding is correct, "GEM-ified TTM manager" is card-specific code, isn't it? So, we may be able to replace GEM-ified TTM with Radeon-specific code *without* TTM backend. Am I wrong? > I already stated several times that I will port TTM if somebody > takes care of the card specific execution code and KMS. I found > that KMS is not very interesting for me. Or someone write card-specific execution code without TTM backend? Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that is easier. It was just a thought... ;-) > Another problem with already ported Intel driver and possibly > ported Radeon driver is the need for shared pool of people > interested in taking the updates from Linux and merging it back to > FreeBSD. This is definitely not hard to do, e.g the merge of > changes from the 3.2 merge window took ~5 hours of my time. but I > do not want to do this forever. In fact, I did just that for couple of years and I understand what you're saying. It wasn't trivial even though Linux and FreeBSD shared the same DRM sources at the time and we had anholt@ in our camp. :-( Jung-uk Kim From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 20:18:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from [127.0.0.1] (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BF81065673; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:18:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkim@FreeBSD.org) From: Jung-uk Kim To: Adam K Kirchhoff Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:17:51 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <201111291412.28576.jkim@FreeBSD.org> <4ED52FF6.9070104@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4ED52FF6.9070104@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201111291518.04364.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:18:12 -0000 On Tuesday 29 November 2011 02:18 pm, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > On 11/29/11 14:12, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > > On Tuesday 29 November 2011 01:36 pm, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > >> On 11/29/11 13:19, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > >>> On 11/29/11 13:04, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > >>>> I believe major hurdle is porting TTM but the future of this > >>>> API is not so bright. In fact, X.org ATI driver uses GEM API > >>>> now and it is internally mapped to TTM calls by Linux DRM (aka > >>>> "GEM-ified TTM manager"). Unfortunately, as always, I don't > >>>> see clear plans from Linux/X.org developers. I can only guess > >>>> few possibilities. > >>>> > >>>> 1. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native GEM > >>>> calls. 2. Linux/X.org folks drop GEM-ified TTM and use native > >>>> TTM calls. 3. Linux/X.org folks re-invent new wheels (again). > >>>> 4. No change. > >>>> > >>>> My guess is #1 is most likely scenario in the near future. > >>>> Even if Linux/X.org folks don't do it, we may be able to > >>>> implement it without TTM because X.org ATI driver uses GEM API > >>>> already and we do not have AMD/ATI Catalyst driver for FreeBSD > >>>> anyway. So, I guess we have two choices ATM: > >>>> > >>>> 1. Fully porting TTM, GEM-ified TTM, and KMS. > >>>> 2. Replacing GEM-ified TTM with GEM and porting KMS. > >>>> > >>>> BTW, I am not volunteering. ;-) > >>>> > >>>> Jung-uk Kim > >>>> _______________________ > >>> > >>> Every conversation I've had with the radeon driver developers > >>> on the matter, even quite recently, has led me to believe that > >>> TTM will not be going away. GEM is only appropriate for IGP > >>> GPUs. Unless that changes within GEM, I do believe TTM will be > >>> used internally on the radeon DRM indefinitely. > >>> > >>> If I had to guess, I'd say that anyone on the FreeBSD side > >>> deciding to get rid of TTM and use GEM only GEM for radeons > >>> would eventually come to the same conclusion as the developers > >>> who have been working with radeon hardware for years :-) > >> > >> Correction. GEM seems to be focused on Intel IGP GPUs. > >> According to one of the radeon developers on #radeon on > >> freenode, even radeon IGP GPUs need something like TTM. > >> > >> Honestly, I'm wondering how you came to the conclusion that > >> future of TTM is not so bright... ? :-) > > > > I know it was developed for Intel IGPs (by anholt@, former > > FreeBSD DRM maintainer). However, I was under (wrong?) > > impression that xf86-video-ati is using GEM API because it wasn't > > absolutely necessary. AFAIK, Nouveau folks also did something > > similar, OpenChrome guys are doing the same thing, etc. If TTM > > is really necessary, why "GEM on TTM" hack in the first place? > > It is my understanding that to simplify have one unified API for > interacting with the DRM code, the radeon developers (and others) > agreed/decided to use the GEM userspace API, even though the > internals (for radeon DRM) require functionality provided by TTM. Understood. > For what it's worth, the radeon developer I just spoke to even said > in order to remove TTM from the equation, "something" would have to > be recoded to do "partly what ttm does". Yes, *partly*. That's exactly what I was talking about. If porting entire TTM layer is harder than recoding to do "partly what TTM does", then it is worth considering, IMHO. Jung-uk Kim From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 29 23:03:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6991065701 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:03:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from akirchhoff135014@comcast.net) Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA2A8FC14 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 37yu1i00E1swQuc51B3NKb; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:03:22 +0000 Received: from thorn.ashke.com ([68.38.117.6]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3B3H1i00908Mag43bB3HcQ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:03:17 +0000 Message-ID: <4ED564B4.1080001@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:03:16 -0500 From: Adam K Kirchhoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0) Gecko/20110927 Thunderbird/7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jung-uk Kim References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <201111291412.28576.jkim@FreeBSD.org> <4ED52FF6.9070104@comcast.net> <201111291518.04364.jkim@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <201111291518.04364.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:03:23 -0000 On 11/29/11 15:17, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > On Tuesday 29 November 2011 02:18 pm, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: >> >> It is my understanding that to simplify have one unified API for >> interacting with the DRM code, the radeon developers (and others) >> agreed/decided to use the GEM userspace API, even though the >> internals (for radeon DRM) require functionality provided by TTM. > Understood. > >> For what it's worth, the radeon developer I just spoke to even said >> in order to remove TTM from the equation, "something" would have to >> be recoded to do "partly what ttm does". > Yes, *partly*. That's exactly what I was talking about. If porting > entire TTM layer is harder than recoding to do "partly what TTM > does", then it is worth considering, IMHO. > > Jung-uk Kim So we end up with more questions than answers :-) Of course, everything would also likely depend on the exact goals of this completely hypothetical Radeon DRM project. How much of TTM would need to be re-implemented/ported to simply support 2D acceleration on newer radeon hardware (HD5xxx and higher, and the new APUs)? How much would be required to support DRI2 and gallium3D? How much for a full port of KMS? We can only speculate on what the FreeBSD Foundation would be interested in sponsoring, or what would interest the developer doing the work. Out of curiosity: Can anyone tell me if DRI2 is currently supported on the intel GPUs with Kostik's patches? Has anyone tried the i915g gallium driver? It's unofficial, unsupported by Intel, but still has development going on (as compared to i965g, which was dropped from Mesa today). As a side-note, but still relevant to the discussion: the r300 and r600 classic mesa drivers were dropped from Mesa a few weeks ago. They are/were the only functioning 3D drivers on FreeBSD for everything from the Radeon 9500 to the HD4950. Adam From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 30 08:57:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6617D106566C; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:57:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8898FC13; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iakl21 with SMTP id l21so721535iak.13 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:57:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=40w/R8RLtGLxFCXse1MCG1ANbFrQc4ZkzCYRQSP3q4U=; b=I2IcceB3HGKd9T8Mg1C8EAqfgRf4yXHmjkGplF+2gQdyJtjztIN/oj/Mtu2+stU7Vy cq3g2nV5uiz2546BzMd7Uh2yBSClJLfJau1cSuQxutUBSsEleiJH/sJXaLyVP7Kye0N3 dVqOfFxYhBVCZv1Qi/rEzHKzXEjHQ5H8okiP4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.147.72 with SMTP id m8mr1542042icv.56.1322642068150; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.12.139 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.12.139 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:34:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:34:27 +0000 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Aryeh Friedman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, rc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xdm does not work junder BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:57:59 -0000 On 29 Nov 2011 03:43, "Aryeh Friedman" wrote: > > I found the problem it never deleted the /var/run/xdm.pid on reboot Shouldn't /var/run be cleared on boot? Cc rc, sorry for cross-posting but it seems to be that kind of issue. Chris From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 30 10:07:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3F51065670 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E768FC0C for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp17 with SMTP id 17so722499ywp.13 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:07:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=soLTPvk+ViQg5jlb08y424hWqtUuS8MQlvjDFoDWWbY=; b=jq1Vb5RZ4iz6swBv2zoLpCN6Bdq2dopF7d7SZhU7amPdhDH3gS4V2Dxqp3dTLncp9g UMMxRt++nXLHXhDVgDI7UzZjivLJOObU5eB++gZewPlut1LZHtg+bNqUnL4rvEe/zBzZ +gfSoMbXrOxgOyeYax18kR+653TH8qn2Q7lkU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.16.5 with SMTP id b5mr5842096pbd.95.1322647647144; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.143.27.35 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 02:07:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 05:07:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Aryeh Friedman To: Chris Rees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, rc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xdm does not work junder BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:07:28 -0000 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > > On 29 Nov 2011 03:43, "Aryeh Friedman" wrote: > > > > I found the problem it never deleted the /var/run/xdm.pid on reboot > > Shouldn't /var/run be cleared on boot? > > Cc rc, sorry for cross-posting but it seems to be that kind of issue. > > Chris > Yes in theory the machine should when it does a cold (and this includes the power/reset button) boot the machine from the moment the processor does it's very first cycle to the time I type the very first key and/or the first mouse movement as a fully logged in user (via XDM) using the default XFCE4 desktop with my default configs means that the when the machine shutdown it left *ZERO* evidence that it had ever existed... in other words the default start up (POST --> bootloader --> single user mode --> xdm --> xfce4) does not need to worry about getting rid of side effects of this.... in the windows world this is done with a program by the name of "Freeze Dry".... the only problem with Freeze Dry is a) it runs on windows only (needs a disk formatted and booted with fat32), b) it requires a mirror drive with the default config to over write and then boot on the active slice and c) makes it nearly impossible to make "local" changes (actually it's primary audience is college computer [and other public computer] labs/sites that need to be able to reboot to the same config no matter what weird thing the user did).... item c is what makes it hard to use that so instead the entier start up process should never see any evidence that it is not the very first OS ever booted on this machine being booted for the first time From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 30 17:22:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F6F1065673; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (bsdimp.com [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5628FC0C; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.30.101.60] ([209.117.142.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAUHGBUZ074738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:16:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:16:06 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <00701089-9A0A-4309-8A6B-D6AF34CDEBF0@bsdimp.com> References: To: Aryeh Friedman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (harmony.bsdimp.com [10.0.0.6]); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:16:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, rc@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: xdm does not work junder BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:22:33 -0000 /var/run isn't ever cleared on boot. Programs are supposed to cope with = with stale .pid files, since they might have died w/o deleting it... Warner On Nov 30, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Chris Rees wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On 29 Nov 2011 03:43, "Aryeh Friedman" = wrote: >>>=20 >>> I found the problem it never deleted the /var/run/xdm.pid on reboot >>=20 >> Shouldn't /var/run be cleared on boot? >>=20 >> Cc rc, sorry for cross-posting but it seems to be that kind of issue. >>=20 >> Chris >>=20 >=20 > Yes in theory the machine should when it does a cold (and this = includes the > power/reset button) boot the machine from the moment the processor = does > it's very first cycle to the time I type the very first key and/or the > first mouse movement as a fully logged in user (via XDM) using the = default > XFCE4 desktop with my default configs means that the when the machine > shutdown it left *ZERO* evidence that it had ever existed... in other = words > the default start up (POST --> bootloader --> single user mode --> xdm = --> > xfce4) does not need to worry about getting rid of side effects of = this.... > in the windows world this is done with a program by the name of = "Freeze > Dry".... the only problem with Freeze Dry is a) it runs on windows = only > (needs a disk formatted and booted with fat32), b) it requires a = mirror > drive with the default config to over write and then boot on the = active > slice and c) makes it nearly impossible to make "local" changes = (actually > it's primary audience is college computer [and other public computer] > labs/sites that need to be able to reboot to the same config no matter = what > weird thing the user did).... item c is what makes it hard to use that = so > instead the entier start up process should never see any evidence that = it > is not the very first OS ever booted on this machine being booted for = the > first time > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-rc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-rc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-rc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 >=20 From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 30 17:33:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2E5106564A; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:33:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.zoral.com.ua (mx0.zoral.com.ua [91.193.166.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983F48FC17; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alf.home (alf.kiev.zoral.com.ua [10.1.1.177]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id pAUHXlha026480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:33:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from alf.home (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alf.home (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pAUHXl90079406; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:33:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by alf.home (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id pAUHXkbs079405; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:33:46 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: alf.home: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 19:33:46 +0200 From: Kostik Belousov To: Adam K Kirchhoff Message-ID: <20111130173346.GC50300@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <20111128092008.GA58668@onelab2.iet.unipi.it> <201111291412.28576.jkim@FreeBSD.org> <4ED52FF6.9070104@comcast.net> <201111291518.04364.jkim@FreeBSD.org> <4ED564B4.1080001@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+Tyonm79oTQp+9As" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ED564B4.1080001@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suggested xorg-compatible video HW for FreeBSD/amd64 ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:33:55 -0000 --+Tyonm79oTQp+9As Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 06:03:16PM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > On 11/29/11 15:17, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > >On Tuesday 29 November 2011 02:18 pm, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote: > >> > >>It is my understanding that to simplify have one unified API for > >>interacting with the DRM code, the radeon developers (and others) > >>agreed/decided to use the GEM userspace API, even though the > >>internals (for radeon DRM) require functionality provided by TTM. > >Understood. > > > >>For what it's worth, the radeon developer I just spoke to even said > >>in order to remove TTM from the equation, "something" would have to > >>be recoded to do "partly what ttm does". > >Yes, *partly*. That's exactly what I was talking about. If porting > >entire TTM layer is harder than recoding to do "partly what TTM > >does", then it is worth considering, IMHO. > > > >Jung-uk Kim >=20 > So we end up with more questions than answers :-) >=20 > Of course, everything would also likely depend on the exact goals of=20 > this completely hypothetical Radeon DRM project. >=20 > How much of TTM would need to be re-implemented/ported to simply support= =20 > 2D acceleration on newer radeon hardware (HD5xxx and higher, and the new= =20 > APUs)? How much would be required to support DRI2 and gallium3D? How=20 > much for a full port of KMS? We can only speculate on what the FreeBSD= =20 > Foundation would be interested in sponsoring, or what would interest the= =20 > developer doing the work. Use of the abbreviations goes in the strange and unexplainable ways. Would it be easier if I say that whole TTM, execution and KMS bits needs to be ported ? There are two big DRM infrastructure bits that are missing right now: TTM and multi-master support. TTM is absolutely critical for anything non-Intel. Multi-master can be lived without. TTM as such has no GPU-specific bits, there is a large piece of code that manages execution for the GPU families. >=20 > Out of curiosity: Can anyone tell me if DRI2 is currently supported on=20 > the intel GPUs with Kostik's patches? Has anyone tried the i915g=20 > gallium driver? It's unofficial, unsupported by Intel, but still has=20 > development going on (as compared to i965g, which was dropped from Mesa= =20 > today). Do you mean DRI2 protocol ? Yes, it is supported and works, in particular, vblanks work. i915g could work, but Gen3 and earlier hardware is supported by my patchset on the best effort basis - I have no access to such old machines, and most testers do not either. I had one report of successful use, see AGP_Testing wiki page. I expect that gallium driver would work, but I might have to fix a bug or two. Note that it seems that gallium driver for Gen4 and newer chips was removed several hours ago. >=20 > As a side-note, but still relevant to the discussion: the r300 and r600= =20 > classic mesa drivers were dropped from Mesa a few weeks ago. They=20 > are/were the only functioning 3D drivers on FreeBSD for everything from= =20 > the Radeon 9500 to the HD4950. >=20 > Adam >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --+Tyonm79oTQp+9As Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk7WaPoACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4gXpQCg0YAfqxt0S0KZVCPHpv9dBPVX to0An2uIOeP74s0f1qVaJMw6ceuLKiin =W1jI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+Tyonm79oTQp+9As-- From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 30 21:03:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8611A1065670; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jilles@stack.nl) Received: from mx1.stack.nl (relay02.stack.nl [IPv6:2001:610:1108:5010::104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6F68FC0C; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from snail.stack.nl (snail.stack.nl [IPv6:2001:610:1108:5010::131]) by mx1.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7727A359B8C; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:03:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by snail.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 1677) id 5F32328468; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:03:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:03:27 +0100 From: Jilles Tjoelker To: Warner Losh Message-ID: <20111130210327.GA21283@stack.nl> References: <00701089-9A0A-4309-8A6B-D6AF34CDEBF0@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00701089-9A0A-4309-8A6B-D6AF34CDEBF0@bsdimp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, rc@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: xdm does not work junder BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:03:28 -0000 On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:16:06AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > /var/run isn't ever cleared on boot. The script /etc/rc.d/cleanvar, enabled by default, does this. > Programs are supposed to cope with with stale .pid files, since they > might have died w/o deleting it... Without cleanvar, after an unclean reboot we would likely end up with some pidfiles that look valid (because the process exists) but are not. Checking the executable of the running process may help but is not always done and not fully reliable either (for example if you run many instances of the same daemon executable). -- Jilles Tjoelker From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 2 22:24:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530F2106566B for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:24:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rand@meridian-enviro.com) Received: from zimbra.meridian-enviro.com (zimbra.meridian-enviro.com [12.192.92.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266BB8FC17 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.meridian-enviro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02C330701E0 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:09:34 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at meridian-enviro.com Received: from zimbra.meridian-enviro.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.meridian-enviro.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wlee9c0BfMcS for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:09:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from delta.meridian-enviro.com (delta.meridian-enviro.com [10.10.10.43]) by zimbra.meridian-enviro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518B430701DC for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:09:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:09:34 -0600 Message-ID: <87wraebp7l.wl%rand@meridian-enviro.com> From: Douglas K. Rand To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/23.3 (amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Supporting 3 or 4 monitors X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:24:41 -0000 How are folks supporting 3, or even 4, monitors with FreeBSD these days? Any hardware suggestions? From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 3 03:25:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AA6106566B for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 03:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253D08FC13 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 03:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iakl21 with SMTP id l21so8167198iak.13 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:25:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MbMEcDPrNP1aRWYAv7CVgJir9cj9GmiZ9nStVxMvZoA=; b=xy2aoechxVf9KMkxEjoGiiAC1C62lvvspvxg7kyoIGtUP4qr3098C8axl2j9eNx9Ih qeonOOs9YssmHVMCcckaQtmexR9WOXzeCI7uJAimI4IL3q/3/pnmcIi/NGhY6RVD2pDt 2iuyq1R/6wgzIHqrk4I7Lmf4nU8wBklPd5SBM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.8.143 with SMTP id h15mr211881ibh.94.1322882725547; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.48.7 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:25:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87wraebp7l.wl%rand@meridian-enviro.com> References: <87wraebp7l.wl%rand@meridian-enviro.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: "Douglas K. Rand" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Supporting 3 or 4 monitors X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 03:25:27 -0000 On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Douglas K. Rand wrote: > How are folks supporting 3, or even 4, monitors with FreeBSD these > days? Any hardware suggestions? > Perhaps some of the following pages may be useful : http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-monitor http://sourceforge.net/projects/xinerama/ http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/index.html http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/index.html http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Using_multiple_monitors_with_XFree86 http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2008/08/xmonad-tiling-window-manager.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmonad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_multi-monitor_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Display_technology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRandR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Display_technology http://www.freebsddiary.org/xorg-two-screens.php Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 3 15:23:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9859106567E for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from meowthink@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9181C8FC12 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbg20 with SMTP id g20so5378485ghb.13 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 07:23:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hUc8wdJrCeLVRZqltkaPdEio+29f+xsVNdWF2NKeuPA=; b=AmvnYnf27pi9XAqEXjjg3rA4tYdkFkR9pIRVPwu6KTn3nMeUrmr71Cs2QzGM1SwssD vEGtozRHxMnElLcHR6JmiRhrSRav9yZ3AoASLXpDnjR7x62sHxIV1vr0Y6EdkOusr2kl nFU7BYIQEZQN3Jp/y55D8WJXgMxlkb96cGiTY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.181.231 with SMTP id l67mr4082663yhm.8.1322925803001; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 07:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.66.76 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 07:23:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 23:23:22 +0800 Message-ID: From: Meowthink To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Problem with Intel GPU patch X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 15:23:23 -0000 Hello all, I doubt if there's anyone experienced with VirtualGL? I'm trying to use it on a freebsd box with Intel integrated GPU, but encourage some problems. 0. Everything runs fine(through vgl to another computer) when rendering using the software rasterizer. With DRI rendering, every function runs, except the result is weird: 1. glxshpere(the sample program shipped with vgl) keeps crashing until the default screen saver(no video output to main screen) starts. Of course, it runs fine when no video on screen, but core dumped immediately after main screen works(can be simply triggered by a mice/kb event). 2. most other apps run, but sometimes got "mixed" with on-screen contents. Here are 2 photos taken when rendering WebGL on Chromium, taken in sequence, https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/14-YEYf6LAV1_NraJmO3ktMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6hjaqF7OMnjKo31yxmp7a9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink Yes, the screen blinks between these 2 states, about 3 Hz, for my eye can catch. 3. Running 2 or more instance of vgl apps will be much more unstable. Support by point 0, I guess this problem is caused by the hw/driver part. As far as I can understand, VirtualGL will cheat the target application to render into a Pbuffer, and then redirect it to client. So point 1 - 3 suggest that, something is wrong (with GEM?), resulting conflicts between real framebuffer and pbuffers. Any suggestions? ------------------------------ Config: i3-2100, H67 stable/9 kernel(svn r228226) with all.12.3.patch, xorg-dev port(svn r337), virtualgl svn r4766 - It's easy to merge kib's patch to stable/9 by tracing current commits (the patch after 12.x is not-so-easily applied mainly because of kib's patch on device pager. In case someone's in need, my patch is shared here: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxbPi2OX4_B-NDcwZGI1OTAtOTQxOC00YmMxLTg5ZjEtNmIxYTY0M2I0OWI5 (will be available until kib's next patch) meowthink