From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 16 01:36:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981681065678 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 01:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490618FC12 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 01:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6G1aRfu071921 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:36:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <5003701B.7070706@missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:36:27 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SVN for ports X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 01:36:34 -0000 The FreeBSD project has now moved ports from cvs to svn. But, ports is in a separate repository from src. So if there is going to be a svn mailing list for ports, it will be a separate mailing list from ctm-svn. So 1. Does anyone anticipate wanting a ctm-svn-ports, or will ctm-ports be enough? 2. At some point, I would like to stop creating deltas for ctm-cvs. These deltas take a long time (an hour or two) for my computer to create. (It takes about a minute to create ctm-svn deltas.) Will this upset people? I am not in a hurry to do this - I don't plan to remove any mailing lists for a while. Thanks, Stephen From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 16 10:49:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F298E106564A for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505928FC08 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (pD9FBF8A3.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.248.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q6GAnUYD041557; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:49:30 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q6GAp3Ls007367; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:51:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q6GAorGR042280; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:50:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201207161050.q6GAorGR042280@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:36:27 CDT." <5003701B.7070706@missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:50:53 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: SVN for ports X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:49:33 -0000 Hi Stephen > The FreeBSD project has now moved ports from cvs to svn. But, ports is > in a separate repository from src. /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ includes: 263582 doc 60218 projects 177052 www Do you happen to know where they'll go ? ( ls doesn't easily show what's in /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN ) > So if there is going to be a svn > mailing list for ports, it will be a separate mailing list from ctm-svn. > > So > > 1. Does anyone anticipate wanting a ctm-svn-ports, or will ctm-ports be > enough? It would be nice to have ctm-svn-ports please, to extract ports/ that match src/ release tags etc see meta info from commits (who, why, when etc). > 2. At some point, I would like to stop creating deltas for ctm-cvs. > These deltas take a long time (an hour or two) for my computer to > create. (It takes about a minute to create ctm-svn deltas.) OK, A win :-) > Will this > upset people? No problem here, (except I've been in habit of looking in /usr/cvs for forecasting release imminence eg with RELENG_x_y_z_RELEASE The tag (not branch) of the x.y.z release. RELENG_x_y_BP Branch point to the x.y release branch. Maybe ther's a simlar trick for svn later. I also posted this: ] To: Thomas Abthorpe ] cc: ports@freebsd.org ] ] There is no match for "svn" & "subversion" in ] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ ] ] There are matches for cvs, I suggest add a link to ] http://wiki.freebsd.org/PortsSubversionPrimer ] &/or to some page that shows [man svn] sample equivalents for such as: ] cvs -R export -r HEAD doc ] cvs -Q -R export -r RELENG_8_3_0_RELEASE src ] cvs -Q -R export -r RELEASE_8_3_0 ports ] cvs -Q -R export -r RELEASE_8_3_0 doc ] cvs -R export -r RELENG_4_11_0_RELEASE src ] cvs -R export -r RELEASE_4_11_0 ports ] cvs -R export -r RELEASE_4_11_0 doc ] ] Not all users of CVS & SVN will be commiters, some will just extract to read, ] so best have an extra SVN link not obscured just under commiters ] ] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html ] just refers to CVS not SVN > I am not in a hurry to do this - I don't plan to remove any mailing > lists for a while. Great, stability is good :-) Quite a lot of people will likely be rushing to get ready to go on North hemisphere mid-summer August shool/ factory etc related holidays soon. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from Yahoo & Hotmail dumped @Berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 17 00:18:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF5C1065674 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com) Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [135.245.0.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A961E8FC0C for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.11]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id q6H05Dki007885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:05:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.42.184]) by usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id q6H0595e020257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:05:12 -0500 Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.13.50]) by insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id q6H05931025004; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:05:10 +1000 (EST) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000001 Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6H058xo045670; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:05:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q6H056QB045669; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:05:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:05:06 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20120717000506.GA45623@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <5003701B.7070706@missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5003701B.7070706@missouri.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.11 Cc: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: SVN for ports X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:18:43 -0000 --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2012-Jul-16 11:36:27 +1000, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >1. Does anyone anticipate wanting a ctm-svn-ports, or will ctm-ports be= =20 >enough? Speaking for myself, no but you might want to see how popular ctm-svn is - I'm not sure if any "official" SVN mirrors exist so CTM may make a useful tool for replicating the SVN repos (though it's not really publicised). >2. At some point, I would like to stop creating deltas for ctm-cvs.=20 >These deltas take a long time (an hour or two) for my computer to=20 >create. (It takes about a minute to create ctm-svn deltas.) Will this=20 >upset people? It won't upset me. I suggest you monitor the mailing list and FTP downloads (talk to the various mirror admins) and see how popular they still are. The only reason I can see for sticking with CVS would be disk space. The SVN repository is about 4x the size of the CVS repository. --=20 Peter Jeremy --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlAErDIACgkQ/opHv/APuIfSGgCglNv9Zi1yEOK8GDzI6xovZD91 4vAAniIlHyBSa6gGl4qjTJjWS/NwYArD =2Lhp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 17 00:31:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5F0106566C for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com) Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [135.245.0.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2438FC17 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from usnavsmail1.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail1.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.9]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id q6H0VHgV013981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:31:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.42.184]) by usnavsmail1.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id q6H0VC7g002568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:31:15 -0500 Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com [139.188.13.50]) by insmb.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.3) with ESMTP id q6H0VD1A029981; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:31:13 +1000 (EST) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6H0VBT5045739; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:31:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q6H0V8uO045738; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:31:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel-lucent.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:31:08 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: "Julian H. Stacey" Message-ID: <20120717003108.GA45008@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <5003701B.7070706@missouri.edu> <201207161050.q6GAorGR042280@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201207161050.q6GAorGR042280@fire.js.berklix.net> X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.9 Cc: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: SVN for ports X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:31:23 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2012-Jul-16 20:50:53 +1000, "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: >> The FreeBSD project has now moved ports from cvs to svn. But, ports is= =20 >> in a separate repository from src. > >/pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ includes: > 263582 doc > 60218 projects > 177052 www >Do you happen to know where they'll go ? doc & www have been in SVN for a couple of months - see http://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc/ and the README files in the CVS repo. I'm not sure what has or will happen to projects. >( ls doesn't easily show what's in /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-SVN ) See http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ >No problem here, (except I've been in habit of looking in /usr/cvs >for forecasting release imminence eg with > RELENG_x_y_z_RELEASE The tag (not branch) of the x.y.z release. > RELENG_x_y_BP Branch point to the x.y release branch. >Maybe ther's a simlar trick for svn later. With SVN, tags and branches are explicit commits so you could just follow the mailing lists. Alternatively, look at: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/ http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/ http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/ --=20 Peter Jeremy --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlAEskwACgkQ/opHv/APuIfe+gCeOQ6pd15fKSpL6Cjxylsb9h9V TK0AmwWbELnCshUbPnYs/2h5KFnc/34y =rbde -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- From owner-ctm-users@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 19 21:34:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ctm-users@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD299106564A for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aehlig@linta.de) Received: from linta.de (isilmar-3.linta.de [188.40.101.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086B68FC12 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16837 invoked by uid 10); 19 Jul 2012 21:34:28 -0000 Received: from curry.linta.de by isilmar.linta.de with BSMTP; 19 Jul 2012 21:34:28 -0000 Received: by curry.linta.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E8F681CC44; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:34:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:34:13 +0200 From: "Klaus T. Aehlig" To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20120719213413.GB57183@curry.linta.de> References: <5003701B.7070706@missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5003701B.7070706@missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "ctm-users@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: SVN for ports X-BeenThere: ctm-users@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CTM User discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:34:37 -0000 Dear Stephen, first of all thank you for taking care of ctm! > 2. At some point, I would like to stop creating deltas for ctm-cvs. > These deltas take a long time (an hour or two) for my computer to > create. (It takes about a minute to create ctm-svn deltas.) Will this > upset people? I see your point of saving time on your machine. On the other hand, I'm quite enjoying the convenience of ctm-cvs-cur. I'm willing to make the transition, but I'm glad... > I am not in a hurry to do this - I don't plan to remove any mailing > lists for a while. ...that you are giving enough time to do so without rushing. So a heads up with your planned schedule, once it is getting concrete, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for you effort for ctm. Klaus