From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 14:09:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D458C106564A for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:09:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toredhiddenuser@tormail.net) Received: from server2.allsitecontrol.com (server2.allsitecontrol.com [63.143.36.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66F28FC14 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [79.172.193.89] (port=51801 helo=internal.tormail.net) by server2.allsitecontrol.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SHbl8-003OX2-9V for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:09:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tormail.net; s=tm; h=Message-Id:X-TorMail-User:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date; bh=ZfNyl+8sEF5tjBVenchuURuLVXvKG7FBAC+9VAzCCL8=; b=N+pTPKVW7JuI4tK09hPs9XCG97TSe84Gud6sj7Eylg0bPSbdSBYmEDzr6TUBJH526SMqxO4PN36t+m6nxgMS4BGxjKeDeg+FjPdXYPKeQyC8krns81UY+EL+psXWcp1z+z+hBKEnFRZTPNeyxb5mt1NZKxJt6o4MqTB3zV1uHWQ=; Received: from toredhiddenuser by internal.tormail.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SHbjm-000KgK-UI for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:08:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:08:02 -0000 From: toredhiddenuser@tormail.net To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Importance: Normal X-TorMail-User: toredhiddenuser Message-Id: <1SHbjm-000KgK-UI@internal.tormail.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server2.allsitecontrol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tormail.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:20:44 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: ] The inquiry about EFF X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:09:36 -0000 ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: From: toredhiddenuser@tormail.net Date: Tue, April 10, 2012 1:53 pm To: info@eff.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Sir/Madam, Why are most/all software of EFF licensed under the GPL? EFF is not FSF, right? Excuse, but, are you promoting information/speech freedom or Stallmanism? Is EFF inclined towards copyleft parties or is it neutral? Excuse again, but do you think people who use BSD licenses are idiots? Google, FreeBSD, etc. If you change the license of software to BSD-like one (or MPL-like, at least) or at least all Chrome plugins, BSD community will be much happy. Thank you From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 10 19:59:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0D0106566C for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254F68FC14 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbbgj3 with SMTP id gj3so192892lbb.13 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3yBxTXuYU2fB0Hlef9PgyGZvldFQkvdVVq/pFbFY0jI=; b=ozVZrs2ALj9zA00jChjCWGH9O9gYbhnsrJ8H5aZ7adTVnDe8v0bvH6/6cCJoclBuvr t0nfvdAnqJodb2SP4bJF8FGj32Tm1Suzn7bimJPa0z3xRgXd9aCfwgEJuSDLRo+EwvsW IEbcjSPyeEGYBzWxyXIC4gkuGgMgVL/e7Be0c= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=3yBxTXuYU2fB0Hlef9PgyGZvldFQkvdVVq/pFbFY0jI=; b=VKqsj/w45dxO7hlJj8W6uA5fnh/fehOypI14Ecvte9dtoHPCUaZG4WROY1FkLNAuSe Qudr11a3AKXGQmINiU+hvhznt+Tfi94axLjAorY8U9WbcxIJ9CGl7sQO/Wm3lnEACrhI esUXND7dKWNsmaZSnjqlPbnhOBOFKz+YU0E1F+wG7fmwg9n4/YqDGZxZRgItcrGi2oj+ HFQ+U99mkcr4jafsFx1RCL81oRIPXJgUjGybs1E2ljtBld3G4fkRnkZNYG8XNk2ADhwo mCL6toCRELVupw4ffEoq8w+rDI6xEr3qqgedQ6QvdL6aqk/1+wLoSY0jKeZt+yM8tD7N tX4Q== Received: by 10.152.115.74 with SMTP id jm10mr16149737lab.32.1334087960048; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:59:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.98.36 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1SHbjm-000KgK-UI@internal.tormail.net> References: <1SHbjm-000KgK-UI@internal.tormail.net> From: Eitan Adler Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:58:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: toredhiddenuser@tormail.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnoHJQxDc591ztBaxfesFi2UhYkxFto3lFAFMiuYDSkxkEjqm57tZNiNmvSw/jYu+1q7y8Q Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: ] The inquiry about EFF X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:59:21 -0000 On 10 April 2012 10:08, wrote: > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------= - > Subject: > From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0toredhiddenuser@tormail.net > Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tue, April 10, 2012 1:53 pm > To: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0info@eff.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > To Sir/Madam, > Why are most/all software of EFF licensed under the GPL? > EFF is not FSF, right? Excuse, but, are you promoting information/speech > freedom or Stallmanism? > Is EFF inclined towards copyleft parties or is it neutral? > Excuse again, but do you think people who use BSD licenses are idiots? > Google, FreeBSD, etc. > If you change the license of software to BSD-like one (or MPL-like, at > least) or at least all Chrome plugins, BSD community will be much happy. > > Thank you I think the idea of inquiring about the EFF licences to be a good one but I hardly think this email is well written. Are you a native speaker of English? The tone of the email sounds accusatory and rant-like. Perhaps something like Why are most/all software of EFF licensed under the GPL? The GPL's restrictions preclude a large number of users from freely using the software. For example the FreeBSD Project is actively phasing out the use of GPL like restrictions and Google prefers the use the 2-BSD license. Would it be possible to change the license of __(specific software)__ to a BSD-like (or even the Apache license)? Or something of a similar nature would be a nicer way to put it. --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 09:40:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B701065674 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:40:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0506E8FC18 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBFED2.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.254.210]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q3B9ebWu066180; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:40:38 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q3B9g9Eb062274; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:42:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3B9fuBb030622; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:42:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201204110942.q3B9fuBb030622@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Eitan Adler From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:58:49 EDT." Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:41:56 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: ] The inquiry about EFF X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:40:51 -0000 Hi, > I think the idea of inquiring about the EFF licences to be a good one > but I hardly think this email is well written. Are you a native > speaker of English? toredhiddenuser@ seem a troll. I dropped its CC. You'r right, it's not native English. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 05:41:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6386106564A for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toredhiddenuser@tormail.net) Received: from server2.allsitecontrol.com (server2.allsitecontrol.com [63.143.36.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6158FC15 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 33.197.forpsi.net ([81.2.197.33]:38088 helo=internal.tormail.net) by server2.allsitecontrol.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SHqJ3-002Hsa-MD for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:41:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tormail.net; s=tm; h=Message-Id:X-TorMail-User:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Date; bh=AjRHJzUK5tRtEjepjZrxWq80AIj8dA1D57BYqO974JU=; b=Byw6M68GT9Z/11ej0zv0HR+B8+kVyHQ9eX8rnFOQPgiYDwvnZyp2SaW1VbZyjybDcvIO+dYCiksu+ifx5c+o2AWefUtmIAVtSCuiDARf05aXBhZRzGRf4JQW/hjCso4pTkA4/h6rxHt9/mGNTib3MIUWkt+iWb6+IKdYuvR6Ork=; Received: from toredhiddenuser by internal.tormail.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SHqI5-0000qk-02 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:40:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:40:24 -0000 From: toredhiddenuser@tormail.net To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Importance: Normal X-TorMail-User: toredhiddenuser Message-Id: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server2.allsitecontrol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tormail.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:10:25 +0000 Subject: BSD license X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 05:41:29 -0000 Hello everyone, There are many people who use GPL for their projects unaware of the terms of license. We can observe that most "new technologies" and protocols are licensed under BSD-license. As you are already subscribed to the mailing list, you probably have much education of licenses and may be aware of dreadful deeds of GNU * License. The main problem is "Viral" copyleft nature. Anything that even LINKS to the GPL'd files SHOULD BE under GPL, as you may probably know. LGPL is viral too. MPL, on the other hand, didn't catch much attention, but if you imply the protection of source code by means of copyleft, hope it's the best way around: Less restrictions, but provides copyleft nature. Apparently, new developers who are unaware of copyrights, release their source into GPL. The new developer communities have an inclined trend towards GPL like: "The projects we see are GPL'd. Why don't we use that license?" Some companies, (probably the worst) use the GPL to force an "addiction" and to force a need of dual-licensing. ****** and *** ************ (removed because of problem) use this license for such purpose. Doesn't it seem like some sort of Blackmail? BSD people should start a project to request some near-mature projects to beta-projects to be licensed under BSD/MIT style license, or, at least MPL (better than GPL, anyhow). (Is the name BSDActivists and BSDActivism) nice? There have been many proposals by some people, you can observe: These proposals were collected (probably) anonymously, for privacy of the doers. These attracted attention. Summary: Audacity: Dominic Mazoni (lead developer), Re-licensing request failed (needs $); Matt Brubeck: failed (but affirmative, says he have released other code under MIT license, but doesn't apparently have right to do relicensing.) Removing OpenAL from SFML: Failed, they say there is no "better one" PAQ compression, Matt Mahoney: New compression method, ZPAQ is Public Domain. CppCMS: needs $ to do so Wikipedia: FAILED, for a reasonable reason EFF HTTPS Everywhere / Vidalia / TorButton : IN PROGRESS Request for Kaos.To to remove Privoxy and to include Polipo: NO RESPONSE YET BSD developers should start an activism to promote the BSD license and to make re-licensing request to developers. All BSD promoters should take notice on this. Don't be afraid if this is posted on multiple BSD mailing lists, like OpenBSD's or NetBSD's, because, it's probably the time to unite all the BSD people. Is anyone interested? Thank you for your patient reading. Sorry for the last e-mail which was somewhat so-rant-like: Thanks to Eitan Adler for pointing out. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 15:48:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C411106566C for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@dataix.net) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407498FC18 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25so1875803iah.13 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataix.net; s=rsa; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=l/XwWQDvnLIstcQXUiot0pcKWOHIU3hAgUkx7vv8yWY=; b=T59wpaa0qsMUDaNXJjMI/TnCtc3jtFMcFI2c9+X/M7ZqtsrknGBNY2i13QAGmTPxM3 Lp1B27jBo2xYdwPiDVCpcB4A/uXmykCbYAOnkOhusXJaDCcapMuelhbM/3wi9RzaiazM KzWBxbF46x5Q+Fi+ly+ziYc3nclaKE2NFgPNY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-gm-message-state; bh=l/XwWQDvnLIstcQXUiot0pcKWOHIU3hAgUkx7vv8yWY=; b=ed4Jn+DwFVOjxJPm/E1P87ZgUl/aKbFpLYqiD7vNb6tKzxXaH9iDi9lgg0ivJpNbO8 Wz0PVciW895MFGuu2riIFtTlPCGR2apD8bOMJbEuNakU5okQem1yxYa/L21DWGaHfk2k YBChLEzCJnOo/wjC5uPsARwk/uXahk5GE0iTbvRFmoW6pwn+tNrG1cmp0yjfs+JqyKwO lkLSwB80QFmYljCPK8ELq66T1Dfm5S0YI1piwZ9gMCu2bjAme+UKdFuscz6oYdAbzZpT O3b09gqky2SEnxJF2ASuHYPwR6xcHO2MtimJTCUlin+LOeNXyQpTSS6l1A5bH9b4XbzI VmAQ== Received: by 10.43.44.2 with SMTP id ue2mr1569465icb.9.1334159331873; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net ([99.181.142.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nq4sm8662440igc.5.2012.04.11.08.48.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3BFmmpM076523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:48:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jhellenthal@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q3BFmlXw076515 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:48:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:48:47 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120411154847.GA62348@DataIX.net> References: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQko69YU5rC0MZVL0ldURgGEn2MczyCEdrNgbIeHUax4j6ncV9ffPuUU5yWBTI0XWrZ3z8pI Subject: Re: BSD license X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:48:52 -0000 Set a meeting place, make sure there are lots of flags on the walls (I prefer red, white & blue) and also make sure that during all the ranting and chanting going on that you unveil the newest, leetist golden bikeshed. http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/01/save-ants.html On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:40:24AM -0000, toredhiddenuser@tormail.net wrote: > Hello everyone, > There are many people who use GPL for their projects unaware of the terms > of license. We can observe that most "new technologies" and protocols are > licensed under BSD-license. > As you are already subscribed to the mailing list, you probably have much > education of licenses and may be aware of dreadful deeds of GNU * License. > > The main problem is "Viral" copyleft nature. Anything that even LINKS to > the GPL'd files SHOULD BE under GPL, as you may probably know. > LGPL is viral too. MPL, on the other hand, didn't catch much attention, > but if you imply the protection of source code by means of copyleft, hope > it's the best way around: Less restrictions, but provides copyleft nature. > > Apparently, new developers who are unaware of copyrights, release their > source into GPL. > The new developer communities have an inclined trend towards GPL like: > "The projects we see are GPL'd. Why don't we use that license?" > Some companies, (probably the worst) use the GPL to force an "addiction" > and to force a need of dual-licensing. ****** and *** ************ > (removed because of problem) use this license for such purpose. Doesn't it > seem like some sort of Blackmail? > > BSD people should start a project to request some near-mature projects to > beta-projects to be licensed under BSD/MIT style license, or, at least MPL > (better than GPL, anyhow). > (Is the name BSDActivists and BSDActivism) nice? > > There have been many proposals by some people, you can observe: > These proposals were collected (probably) anonymously, for privacy of the > doers. These attracted attention. Summary: > > > Audacity: Dominic Mazoni (lead developer), Re-licensing request failed > (needs $); > Matt Brubeck: failed (but affirmative, says he have released > other code under MIT license, but doesn't apparently have right > to do relicensing.) > > Removing OpenAL from SFML: Failed, they say there is no "better one" > > PAQ compression, Matt Mahoney: New compression method, ZPAQ is Public Domain. > > CppCMS: needs $ to do so > > Wikipedia: FAILED, for a reasonable reason > > EFF HTTPS Everywhere / Vidalia / TorButton : IN PROGRESS > > Request for Kaos.To to remove Privoxy and to include Polipo: NO RESPONSE YET > > > BSD developers should start an activism to promote the BSD license and to > make re-licensing request to developers. All BSD promoters should take > notice on this. Don't be afraid if this is posted on multiple BSD mailing > lists, like OpenBSD's or NetBSD's, because, it's probably the time to > unite all the BSD people. > Is anyone interested? > Thank you for your patient reading. > > Sorry for the last e-mail which was somewhat so-rant-like: Thanks to Eitan > Adler for pointing out. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ;s =; From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 11 16:07:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB04106564A for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:07:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodrigo@bebik.net) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535148FC08 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oldfaithful.bebik.local (unknown [82.227.164.69]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580B2A6209 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:07:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by oldfaithful.bebik.local (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D7D362E13A; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:13:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:13:23 +0200 From: Rodrigo OSORIO To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120411161323.GA73454@oldfaithful.bebik.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: BSD license X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:07:12 -0000 Hi, On 11/04/12 11:48 -0400, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > > Set a meeting place, make sure there are lots of flags on the walls (I > prefer red, white & blue) and also make sure that during all the ranting > and chanting going on that you unveil the newest, leetist golden > bikeshed. > > http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/01/save-ants.html Excellent troll feeding ! But it's going nowhere. toredhiddenuser, A too long mail to just say : "We must do BSD licence advocacy" That's obvious we need pull developers to the BSD friendly side, an try to convince big players (big projects) could be a good way. regards - Rodrigo > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:40:24AM -0000, toredhiddenuser@tormail.net wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > There are many people who use GPL for their projects unaware of the terms > > of license. We can observe that most "new technologies" and protocols are > > licensed under BSD-license. > > As you are already subscribed to the mailing list, you probably have much > > education of licenses and may be aware of dreadful deeds of GNU * License. > > > > The main problem is "Viral" copyleft nature. Anything that even LINKS to > > the GPL'd files SHOULD BE under GPL, as you may probably know. > > LGPL is viral too. MPL, on the other hand, didn't catch much attention, > > but if you imply the protection of source code by means of copyleft, hope > > it's the best way around: Less restrictions, but provides copyleft nature. > > > > Apparently, new developers who are unaware of copyrights, release their > > source into GPL. > > The new developer communities have an inclined trend towards GPL like: > > "The projects we see are GPL'd. Why don't we use that license?" > > Some companies, (probably the worst) use the GPL to force an "addiction" > > and to force a need of dual-licensing. ****** and *** ************ > > (removed because of problem) use this license for such purpose. Doesn't it > > seem like some sort of Blackmail? > > > > BSD people should start a project to request some near-mature projects to > > beta-projects to be licensed under BSD/MIT style license, or, at least MPL > > (better than GPL, anyhow). > > (Is the name BSDActivists and BSDActivism) nice? > > > > There have been many proposals by some people, you can observe: > > These proposals were collected (probably) anonymously, for privacy of the > > doers. These attracted attention. Summary: > > > > > > Audacity: Dominic Mazoni (lead developer), Re-licensing request failed > > (needs $); > > Matt Brubeck: failed (but affirmative, says he have released > > other code under MIT license, but doesn't apparently have right > > to do relicensing.) > > > > Removing OpenAL from SFML: Failed, they say there is no "better one" > > > > PAQ compression, Matt Mahoney: New compression method, ZPAQ is Public Domain. > > > > CppCMS: needs $ to do so > > > > Wikipedia: FAILED, for a reasonable reason > > > > EFF HTTPS Everywhere / Vidalia / TorButton : IN PROGRESS > > > > Request for Kaos.To to remove Privoxy and to include Polipo: NO RESPONSE YET > > > > > > BSD developers should start an activism to promote the BSD license and to > > make re-licensing request to developers. All BSD promoters should take > > notice on this. Don't be afraid if this is posted on multiple BSD mailing > > lists, like OpenBSD's or NetBSD's, because, it's probably the time to > > unite all the BSD people. > > Is anyone interested? > > Thank you for your patient reading. > > > > Sorry for the last e-mail which was somewhat so-rant-like: Thanks to Eitan > > Adler for pointing out. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > ;s =; > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 12 06:33:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23BC1065673 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:33:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toredhiddenuser@tormail.net) Received: from server2.allsitecontrol.com (server2.allsitecontrol.com [63.143.36.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39698FC0A for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from manning.torservers.net ([173.254.192.36]:13291 helo=internal.tormail.net) by server2.allsitecontrol.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SIDaz-0041y9-G3; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 02:33:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tormail.net; s=tm; h=Message-Id:X-TorMail-User:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Cc:To:From:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To; bh=fydpSwNonft1CH9Yk79LS7YkEh5YyQ0Q8b5PAWAXgJ0=; b=jMTPo5lx4r0ORSlzKFDHhCmFIs7W0PtADUJSIjsXrF/EGQUiurhb9W7OVZ79tygTpLat9h0jl0VVhkWq+H2uNvyZQubgZvSXKkcSYPp8xlw8GBOZ7eb+dxlUOU6hbKmRy/RqHf0V7Mg14OFBXEKW0B9gzTmw1IwWyW25lYQZeLk=; Received: from toredhiddenuser by internal.tormail.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SIDaM-00041M-C6; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:32:50 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20120411161323.GA73454@oldfaithful.bebik.local> References: <20120411161323.GA73454@oldfaithful.bebik.local> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:32:50 -0000 From: toredhiddenuser@tormail.net To: "Rodrigo OSORIO" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Importance: Normal X-TorMail-User: toredhiddenuser Message-Id: <1SIDaM-00041M-C6@internal.tormail.net> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server2.allsitecontrol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tormail.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:56:47 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: BSD license X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 06:33:44 -0000 > Hi, > > > On 11/04/12 11:48 -0400, Jason Hellenthal wrote: >> >> Set a meeting place, make sure there are lots of flags on the walls (I >> prefer red, white & blue) and also make sure that during all the ranting >> and chanting going on that you unveil the newest, leetist golden >> bikeshed. >> >> http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/01/save-ants.html > > > Excellent troll feeding ! But it's going nowhere. > > toredhiddenuser, > A too long mail to just say : "We must do BSD licence advocacy" > That's obvious we need pull developers to the BSD friendly side, > an try to convince big players (big projects) could be a good way. > > regards > - Rodrigo > >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:40:24AM -0000, toredhiddenuser@tormail.net >> wrote: >> > Hello everyone, >> > There are many people who use GPL for their projects unaware of the >> terms >> > of license. We can observe that most "new technologies" and protocols >> are >> > licensed under BSD-license. >> > As you are already subscribed to the mailing list, you probably have >> much >> > education of licenses and may be aware of dreadful deeds of GNU * >> License. >> > >> > The main problem is "Viral" copyleft nature. Anything that even LINKS >> to >> > the GPL'd files SHOULD BE under GPL, as you may probably know. >> > LGPL is viral too. MPL, on the other hand, didn't catch much >> attention, >> > but if you imply the protection of source code by means of copyleft, >> hope >> > it's the best way around: Less restrictions, but provides copyleft >> nature. >> > >> > Apparently, new developers who are unaware of copyrights, release >> their >> > source into GPL. >> > The new developer communities have an inclined trend towards GPL like: >> > "The projects we see are GPL'd. Why don't we use that license?" >> > Some companies, (probably the worst) use the GPL to force an >> "addiction" >> > and to force a need of dual-licensing. ****** and *** ************ >> > (removed because of problem) use this license for such purpose. >> Doesn't it >> > seem like some sort of Blackmail? >> > >> > BSD people should start a project to request some near-mature projects >> to >> > beta-projects to be licensed under BSD/MIT style license, or, at least >> MPL >> > (better than GPL, anyhow). >> > (Is the name BSDActivists and BSDActivism) nice? >> > >> > There have been many proposals by some people, you can observe: >> > These proposals were collected (probably) anonymously, for privacy of >> the >> > doers. These attracted attention. Summary: >> > >> > >> > Audacity: Dominic Mazoni (lead developer), Re-licensing request failed >> > (needs $); >> > Matt Brubeck: failed (but affirmative, says he have released >> > other code under MIT license, but doesn't apparently have right >> > to do relicensing.) >> > >> > Removing OpenAL from SFML: Failed, they say there is no "better one" >> > >> > PAQ compression, Matt Mahoney: New compression method, ZPAQ is Public >> Domain. >> > >> > CppCMS: needs $ to do so >> > >> > Wikipedia: FAILED, for a reasonable reason >> > >> > EFF HTTPS Everywhere / Vidalia / TorButton : IN PROGRESS >> > >> > Request for Kaos.To to remove Privoxy and to include Polipo: NO >> RESPONSE YET >> > >> > >> > BSD developers should start an activism to promote the BSD license and >> to >> > make re-licensing request to developers. All BSD promoters should take >> > notice on this. Don't be afraid if this is posted on multiple BSD >> mailing >> > lists, like OpenBSD's or NetBSD's, because, it's probably the time to >> > unite all the BSD people. >> > Is anyone interested? >> > Thank you for your patient reading. >> > >> > Sorry for the last e-mail which was somewhat so-rant-like: Thanks to >> Eitan >> > Adler for pointing out. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> -- >> ;s =; >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Do you officially announce BSD is dying? "The Trailhead Queen was dead. At first, there was no overt sign that her long life was ending: no fever, no spasms, no farewells. She simply sat on the floor of the royal chamber and died. As in life, her body was prone and immobile, her legs and antennae relaxed. Her stillness alone failed to give warning to her daughters that a catastrophe had occurred for all of them. She lay there, in fact, as though nothing had happened. She had become a perfect statue of herself." Now what do you say? Is this trolling? It's your wish, and if you dislike being good to BSD, then bye. Not gonna b somewhere where all hate doing good. Going away before losing respect is something better. Finally say: if this is wanted or not, simply, and then let toredhiddenuser exit. Thank you for reading this anyway.