From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 16:41:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02EF106564A; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vmagerya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521FC8FC12; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhq7 with SMTP id hq7so641528wib.13 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:41:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+TfWfUCzmoB8qyPdbf6UiJ5tyY+bwkMpEsK/qgME24A=; b=o12Efjmjw2i1VTkSJ2dh5DhQcP3QUIQdmkdJC/Ne1xtEkg1Sdxl4qudcwIU4GImfXo oRpwbQJf8FjeoHjtwXhyhAy0DYzuTAxyG1hN4uODVrH+sS2+KuW8pXMc15oeacpSmdn0 wWjTvG4zUd7mTlz3QpaSV7kH2q5z3FX0LFSDWmBLhE1mVn44UOUlKYPYig5JuWGk5qq5 mwhoPqxieIUBJ5hokf3CD20Su9zFoI0AKptRO3+OfuqO32GGMDFfVo3yDLkVYRa5gRRv qFPh/0Df/Icc/Roa05bYwfYBLUcB4xIjpYbc0nktc2+LLtnWCvrg44VNhpu6LpJv1oWi Ee9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.137.97 with SMTP id x75mr7579591wei.25.1335544870092; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.114.79 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:41:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:41:09 +0300 Message-ID: From: Vitaly Magerya To: Andy Young Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:41:12 -0000 Andy Young wrote: > After using Linux for almost 15 years, I only recently started using > FreeBSD. I own an internet startup and was looking for a solution for > implementing large-scale storage servers. In my research I found ZFS and > subsequently found FreeBSD. As I learned more about it, I was incredibly > impressed. There are so many elements of FreeBSD that I love, Can you name a few? > I've > completely ditched Linux and am deploying FreeBSD exclusively on my > company's server infrastructure. It would be interesting to read about your infrastructure, the reasons why you found FreeBSD to be a better fit than what you used before, challenges during deployment and migration, any resulting performance/maintenance improvements, etc. A short article or a blog post with the above maybe? > I can't help wonder why I hadn't heard all > about it before. Sure, I knew the name, but I had never seen it in use, > either in college or in over ten years as a software developer since then. > In contrast Linux is everywhere! Even though there are so many applications > where FreeBSD seems to be a better or at least more mature solution. > > What are the current efforts to promote and educate people on FreeBSD? I'd > love to help spread the word. (Adding freebsd-advocacy@ to CC). From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 17:16:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5D3106566B for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk) Received: from avasout07.plus.net (avasout07.plus.net [84.93.230.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2D28FC0C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deb603.localnet ([213.120.17.158]) by avasout07 with smtp id 35DC1j0063QdXSD015DDum; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:13:15 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=VpKh8pKn c=1 sm=1 a=OXHiwEvimogU6IWrZJoQxg==:17 a=tvFjYeeLK-cA:10 a=KdljGRtMWWsA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=N1z2wcdrAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=Te0DuCcZho8PjIx3qRQA:9 a=_UZyjSweHQ-KPInEm2YA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=6aqm7aVtH-UA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=OXHiwEvimogU6IWrZJoQxg==:117 From: Frank Mitchell To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:45:18 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-5-686; KDE/4.4.5; i686; ; ) References: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> In-Reply-To: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201204271645.18801.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: BSD licensing X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:16:25 -0000 While there's a debate about licenses, below is my own Wildebeest License, which I invented to cover my Spiegel CD/DVD Writing Utility. You can still find my original email about Spiegel on the Internet, with all the Source Code. If anybody wants to suggest any modification for the Wildebeest License, feedback is welcome. Yours truly: Frank Mitchell ================================================================ WILDEBEEST LICENSE PREAMBLE: The Licenses for most Software are designed to repudiate any legal liability if it doesn't work. By contrast, the Wildebeest License tries to ensure that it will work, and that you know about any problems beforehand. No permission is needed to modify your Software to serve its intended purpose, because United States and European Union Law both allow Lawful Users to do this anyway. So when this License speaks of Free Software, we mean that you don't need to pay money for it, not that you can modify it until it stops working and nobody understands why. Open Source Users will be aware of such problems when using Free Software, and check for reliability before depending on it. So instead of including a Warranty Disclaimer which could be invalid, the Wildebeest License seeks to ensure that reliability issues are documented. Note that Software is not patentable under European Law, though it can be covered by a patent for another invention which is. Also, Multiple Licensing is possible, so you can contact the Original Author if you believe the terms of the Wildebeest License need to be altered. 1: This version of the Wildebeest License is intended to be governed by the Legal System of England, which entitles Lawful Users to modify Software if necessary for their own use. You can correct it or adapt it to serve its intended purpose, study its operation and incorporate any underlying ideas into completely different Software licensed under other terms, and make as many Backup or Development Copies as you wish. 2: For Users this Software is intended as a Free Gift, available free of charge apart from incidental expenses, and free from any other obligation beyond the provisions of Copyright and other legal requirements. 3: If you distribute this Software or a modified version to other people, you must do so under the terms of this License. You must ensure that the relevant Documentation and Source Code are available. If you are aware of problems, you must check the Documentation and ensure they are described. This could mean adding Comment Statements to the Source Code as well as editing plaintext documents. 4: If you distribute an adaptation of this Software or a modified version, you must update the Documentation, identifying yourself and your changes. The Wildebeest License does not contain a Warranty Disclaimer, so this Documentation amounts to a Limited Warranty that within the resources available, you have tested the modified Software and that in your experience it functions as future Users are likely to expect. ==================================================================== On Wednesday 11 April 2012 06:40:24 toredhiddenuser@tormail.net wrote: > Hello everyone, > There are many people who use GPL for their projects unaware of the terms > of license. We can observe that most "new technologies" and protocols are > licensed under BSD-license. > As you are already subscribed to the mailing list, you probably have much > education of licenses and may be aware of dreadful deeds of GNU * License. > > The main problem is "Viral" copyleft nature. Anything that even LINKS to > the GPL'd files SHOULD BE under GPL, as you may probably know. > LGPL is viral too. MPL, on the other hand, didn't catch much attention, > but if you imply the protection of source code by means of copyleft, hope > it's the best way around: Less restrictions, but provides copyleft nature. > > Apparently, new developers who are unaware of copyrights, release their > source into GPL. > The new developer communities have an inclined trend towards GPL like: > "The projects we see are GPL'd. Why don't we use that license?" > Some companies, (probably the worst) use the GPL to force an "addiction" > and to force a need of dual-licensing. ****** and *** ************ > (removed because of problem) use this license for such purpose. Doesn't it > seem like some sort of Blackmail? > > BSD people should start a project to request some near-mature projects to > beta-projects to be licensed under BSD/MIT style license, or, at least MPL > (better than GPL, anyhow). > (Is the name BSDActivists and BSDActivism) nice? > > There have been many proposals by some people, you can observe: > These proposals were collected (probably) anonymously, for privacy of the > doers. These attracted attention. Summary: > > > Audacity: Dominic Mazoni (lead developer), Re-licensing request failed > (needs $); > Matt Brubeck: failed (but affirmative, says he have released > other code under MIT license, but doesn't apparently have right > to do relicensing.) > > Removing OpenAL from SFML: Failed, they say there is no "better one" > > PAQ compression, Matt Mahoney: New compression method, ZPAQ is Public > Domain. > > CppCMS: needs $ to do so > > Wikipedia: FAILED, for a reasonable reason > > EFF HTTPS Everywhere / Vidalia / TorButton : IN PROGRESS > > Request for Kaos.To to remove Privoxy and to include Polipo: NO RESPONSE > YET > > > BSD developers should start an activism to promote the BSD license and to > make re-licensing request to developers. All BSD promoters should take > notice on this. Don't be afraid if this is posted on multiple BSD mailing > lists, like OpenBSD's or NetBSD's, because, it's probably the time to > unite all the BSD people. > Is anyone interested? > Thank you for your patient reading. > > Sorry for the last e-mail which was somewhat so-rant-like: Thanks to Eitan > Adler for pointing out. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 18:36:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECEB1065675 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:36:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dru.lavigne@att.net) Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.192]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92AF38FC08 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2012 18:36:46 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.90] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2012 18:36:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2012 18:36:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 243613.21066.bm@omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47542 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2012 18:36:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1335551805; bh=QAtxp004JCFspTd7zEuWuUIxgAGa03ncqPXd7nkjvk0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4iN2b7t+ZRkUkfdvpvEhzIrIQpK/bqCp6Lp/OAVGYx9dB/HRIuDwgqZuvo46/GNu6QnG350OP+89auiFR0+b2yVnQKxStBxFf/jY3oyuoZyENhWSePM2NhpJ9q/cqL/Dw3vIICMKucWtAqBzoml/O0eNUay4SNdWNgYE0TbuTjo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kVJ4B9vg+pv17T26pe1HK8Y8Ek+rRBXFuFIachDb4AjkcJcLjFW+n2Y/ahOa9HbAN6OUiROoZoJTE6OoiZHMC6LrhlD3gwxqWxkYjKGIN2hBe+AX7vrp7t5uwPHkVVm5UuoPWB4CvC6clTC5uUV7WeLdtG/9HUKJIZEHBXwhLeo=; X-YMail-OSG: xz1se7cVM1kWZWRztwCCpOJuo6szhX.RNAiiyGCRvQjpZUd OMD1mEg6CJbePWwWLcdM33ILrjD5sfZK3B8yHs6VF.SxuChwIWv74y921zrm rVugEIooTFfvtHcbx3KWbl9W2tDmQHhgHsHmDrxSgubaU6ocXaSyaADYExUQ Hy9O.sRfDVNAAVG0gcQbSvJSYH1brj3ISjSdZuZuk6kej1_CDTN8hKQsOP0g fnJ0zkLLbeU8QjE2tUVAbetP2Sgv5YlkwtT7_MhueBeydPA_7x2.h1dD5v8R CBRLQIjEal.9oRq4gODZ.2.ugh_kDeuLFSIDo6R6NfrUcJBsRz_BC4IGNhF7 o6z1b6U4mr1D2KptVryPZsB9i8zB6_CMv.D0L7B_ICKck3QQIUcaN9XQIZx3 QhLyJ8X8teZSTq11Pwd8etHTOvT3P00Yxj6RNuq6s6kgbSPX0oLq1p8GH.y_ BqYvZvZBV2p7As4EMFdxz3Fkv.gcSBJeR7df0HJAY7oVVImM- Received: from [99.98.82.135] by web181207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:36:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 Message-ID: <1335551805.27428.YahooMailClassic@web181207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Dru Lavigne To: Andy Young , Vitaly Magerya In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:36:46 -0000 > Andy Young > wrote: > > After using Linux for almost 15 years, I only recently > started using > > FreeBSD. I own an internet startup and was looking for > a solution for > > implementing large-scale storage servers. In my > research I found ZFS and > > subsequently found FreeBSD. As I learned more about it, > I was incredibly > > impressed. There are so many elements of FreeBSD that I > love, > > Can you name a few? > > > I've > > completely ditched Linux and am deploying FreeBSD > exclusively on my > > company's server infrastructure. > > It would be interesting to read about your infrastructure, > the reasons > why you found FreeBSD to be a better fit than what you used > before, > challenges during deployment and migration, any resulting > performance/maintenance improvements, etc. > > A short article or a blog post with the above maybe? The FreeBSD Foundation is always looking for testimonials from companies which use FreeBSD. A testimonial should include: - Why you use FreeBSD - How you have benefited - Why the reader (of this testimonial) should donate money to the foundation or contribute to the Project. It should be written by someone high up in the company, like a Director or VP. You can find examples at: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/testimonials.shtml And, you'll notice we include a link to the company next to the author's name. Testimonials can be sent directly to the Foundation at board@freebsdfoundation.org or to myself (I'm on the Foundation Board). > > I can't help wonder why I hadn't heard all > > about it before. Sure, I knew the name, but I had never > seen it in use, > > either in college or in over ten years as a software > developer since then. > > In contrast Linux is everywhere! Even though there are > so many applications > > where FreeBSD seems to be a better or at least more > mature solution. > > > > What are the current efforts to promote and educate > people on FreeBSD? I'd > > love to help spread the word. Writing an article for BSD Magazine is a good place to start: http://bsdmag.org/become-an-author Going further afield, write articles, reviews, or give interviews, etc. for places like distrowatch, hacker public radio, or other places that tech people hang out. If a tech place where you hang out doesn't have anything FreeBSD related, submit something. Give a presentation at a local user group or answer the call for papers at a technical conference. If you do something advocacy related, post the URL here or send it to myself so it can go on the @bsdevents twitter feed. Be creative, do something, and tell people what you did :-) Cheers, Dru From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 27 21:55:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91101065673 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0B68FC08 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E4D6DCF; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F4D984EA; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:55:13 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Frank Mitchell References: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> <201204271645.18801.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:55:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: <201204271645.18801.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> (Frank Mitchell's message of "Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:45:18 +0100") Message-ID: <86y5pgn8la.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD licensing X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:55:14 -0000 Frank Mitchell writes: > While there's a debate about licenses, below is my own Wildebeest > License,=20 "The first rule of software licenses: don't write your own" DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 13:38:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3BA106566C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ayoung@mosaicarchive.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6962B8FC16 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so2839098obc.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:38:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=ktH659TrY+CP95Dbn7jNPTra+aBkjqt+wMqs0oO+k00=; b=nBwGJ9Hn1FZDRKRDR29B9YFuHLo6ZDvIKEkO1CLLHXmwiNsamGViFOPWlSC6VTGDC5 yPdTEeJL8yiO+XJatdsv62wixdWZSE5SnzbQn37rW40NbWVNEWR24eDqB7hCteNaPKq2 RMdbbKeK8cVueZK2ICt9QhxMHn9+jq3DW6NhFvCfd2djBrFKUWVpC4jfj0sxHZmD7RTn QpbavTNO/g8RnrEK2oJ6epQG0wHyeA0nJaF+mRMYbx+3Hit+eHxEp5MzfPbGjY73NKXG 0mvivEi8+Huqw2bX8RGVHic3/dZ19tHMZc4uwAqXlvyBpgWGff/S593E+EJpdnAF9XPh 7OGQ== Received: by 10.182.86.165 with SMTP id q5mr19584745obz.0.1335620309933; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.22.36.11] (mobile-198-228-227-252.mycingular.net. [198.228.227.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h7sm8574013oeh.9.2012.04.28.06.38.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:38:29 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <75618661-63E5-4DFA-BE3F-AB8B2E06966E@mosaicarchive.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Andrew Young Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:38:23 -0400 To: Vitaly Magerya X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQngjRW//poy9arg5JXfK9xCRp6E1iEvqMQBNO4PA2qvEGPcNkfOTKt3kj8XcbBIQ+B0FiTs Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:38:30 -0000 > Andy Young wrote: >> After using Linux for almost 15 years, I only recently started using >> FreeBSD. I own an internet startup and was looking for a solution for >> implementing large-scale storage servers. In my research I found ZFS and >> subsequently found FreeBSD. As I learned more about it, I was incredibly >> impressed. There are so many elements of FreeBSD that I love, >=20 > Can you name a few? Zfs, jails, and ip aliases are the first that come to mind. I also really li= ke the defaults concept of the config file layout.=20 >=20 >> I've >> completely ditched Linux and am deploying FreeBSD exclusively on my >> company's server infrastructure. >=20 > It would be interesting to read about your infrastructure, the reasons > why you found FreeBSD to be a better fit than what you used before, > challenges during deployment and migration, any resulting > performance/maintenance improvements, etc. >=20 > A short article or a blog post with the above maybe? >=20 Sounds like a good idea.=20 >> I can't help wonder why I hadn't heard all >> about it before. Sure, I knew the name, but I had never seen it in use, >> either in college or in over ten years as a software developer since then= . >> In contrast Linux is everywhere! Even though there are so many applicatio= ns >> where FreeBSD seems to be a better or at least more mature solution. >>=20 >> What are the current efforts to promote and educate people on FreeBSD? I'= d >> love to help spread the word. >=20 > (Adding freebsd-advocacy@ to CC). From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 13:40:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111481065673 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:40:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ayoung@mosaicarchive.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14238FC17 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so2841309obc.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:40:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=HQxg+0rg3zCVwjpWVA2+/Ir1VUVmQfJfYZn9oN89Mpg=; b=jON+9uMKvvNVw3c4RxNNL9zFR7PGLCznX0NvbN+7sGP4gJtRjVytArZLIy6n4mOn/s prSYD78jp7az4p3QY0or+aChgnKspiXu5odd6kinXMER3j5ZNxDzsc9cguaKKhSi4Nho XMzJ4XnO0vziUV8XocVYEXAGA9HhyLIIEhYkLzb94Khj09ExRxFs2+r3qfgBjZ6cupSu Ntyv1fcvsollEZLrWB+dUeAlJ4vGZ1mIY3CEybu62JdfiMx/GCFQteBlAwZ/vKrQnFhW JDl4gevxQrR2ZPe3If5h9s94+zMrOGSWrjKadgnCWuKbaW5B096XCHWRNfc4rJiNusoB NGWA== Received: by 10.60.22.234 with SMTP id h10mr8467466oef.54.1335620446286; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.22.36.11] (mobile-198-228-227-252.mycingular.net. [198.228.227.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bd10sm10493599obb.15.2012.04.28.06.40.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:40:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <1335551805.27428.YahooMailClassic@web181207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1335551805.27428.YahooMailClassic@web181207.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <09E73C23-A9A8-4953-9A00-7FADC3C358B8@mosaicarchive.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Andrew Young Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:40:39 -0400 To: Dru Lavigne X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmVoBE8ozzBH2awwvs7kuxkKioK3YPW4zfScVBdUt17G6/5IAu1I+jvcIGUE7GJBoYc/PYb Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , Vitaly Magerya Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:40:47 -0000 >> Andy Young >> wrote: >>> After using Linux for almost 15 years, I only recently >> started using >>> FreeBSD. I own an internet startup and was looking for >> a solution for >>> implementing large-scale storage servers. In my >> research I found ZFS and >>> subsequently found FreeBSD. As I learned more about it, >> I was incredibly >>> impressed. There are so many elements of FreeBSD that I >> love, >>=20 >> Can you name a few? >>=20 >>> I've >>> completely ditched Linux and am deploying FreeBSD >> exclusively on my >>> company's server infrastructure. >>=20 >> It would be interesting to read about your infrastructure, >> the reasons >> why you found FreeBSD to be a better fit than what you used >> before, >> challenges during deployment and migration, any resulting >> performance/maintenance improvements, etc. >>=20 >> A short article or a blog post with the above maybe? >=20 >=20 > The FreeBSD Foundation is always looking for testimonials from companies w= hich use FreeBSD. A testimonial should include: >=20 > - Why you use FreeBSD > - How you have benefited > - Why the reader (of this testimonial) should donate money to the foundat= ion or contribute to the Project. >=20 > It should be written by someone high up in the company, like a Director or= VP. >=20 > You can find examples at: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/testimonials.sh= tml >=20 > And, you'll notice we include a link to the company next to the author's n= ame. >=20 > Testimonials can be sent directly to the Foundation at board@freebsdfounda= tion.org or to myself (I'm on the Foundation Board). >=20 Very cool. Thanks for the tip! >=20 >>> I can't help wonder why I hadn't heard all >>> about it before. Sure, I knew the name, but I had never >> seen it in use, >>> either in college or in over ten years as a software >> developer since then. >>> In contrast Linux is everywhere! Even though there are >> so many applications >>> where FreeBSD seems to be a better or at least more >> mature solution. >>>=20 >>> What are the current efforts to promote and educate >> people on FreeBSD? I'd >>> love to help spread the word. >=20 >=20 > Writing an article for BSD Magazine is a good place to start: >=20 > http://bsdmag.org/become-an-author >=20 > Going further afield, write articles, reviews, or give interviews, etc. fo= r places like distrowatch, hacker public radio, or other places that tech pe= ople hang out. If a tech place where you hang out doesn't have anything Free= BSD related, submit something. Give a presentation at a local user group or a= nswer the call for papers at a technical conference. If you do something adv= ocacy related, post the URL here or send it to myself so it can go on the @b= sdevents twitter feed. >=20 > Be creative, do something, and tell people what you did :-) >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Dru Thanks Dru.=20= From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 13:43:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13531065670 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ayoung@mosaicarchive.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFFC8FC08 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so2844075obc.13 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:43:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=cZ1b/qLePcUFXzRcX13eIwd/lXpPeBKFYBEGwZ+/X80=; b=aRXwRj2CTPJFOmySoraTlz7bdScG/mfS9Fe9La+/JPj9I9snWUhWLjhFxmxx4HxiBL 2vavvekqDp+8izSa+2hCKKYmpfXoxAc96I6P+f7psZmmA0qnY4BJYuFte6T9lEc/zxQV dE4Ne0o1kgCdmi+O1vx/c/XECoGxGt3NZkC/LP3YmNWIu7A9XHmr0jQE96Oz0M00jxnd sLW/v1XCF28WepUH7b6CTzK8akJfuNi3Joy0RqCTwug0oe+jiZS6ngN/l53sTlCR642O q1vcKLJt9FRP9w+fUURmYjiK+730mcs0c9CrgGc98eWFVMUkauvj0UVa6MXpuiXdWclu wmMw== Received: by 10.182.48.1 with SMTP id h1mr19221095obn.71.1335620619285; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.22.36.11] (mobile-198-228-227-252.mycingular.net. [198.228.227.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id il8sm10496472obc.18.2012.04.28.06.43.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Apr 2012 06:43:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <4F9AEFD9.3050107@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4F9AEFD9.3050107@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B176) From: Andrew Young Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:43:33 -0400 To: "glarkin@FreeBSD.org" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmYGw2I62429ylnAGrBrEbHW6cYZKbDa4EGZP7a87w4WNdZzvul2EDggt+irNkIpQqaGtbQ Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:43:41 -0000 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > On 4/27/12 10:16 AM, Andy Young wrote: >> After using Linux for almost 15 years, I only recently started >> using FreeBSD. I own an internet startup and was looking for a >> solution for implementing large-scale storage servers. In my >> research I found ZFS and subsequently found FreeBSD. As I learned >> more about it, I was incredibly impressed. There are so many >> elements of FreeBSD that I love, I've completely ditched Linux and >> am deploying FreeBSD exclusively on my company's server >> infrastructure. I can't help wonder why I hadn't heard all about it >> before. Sure, I knew the name, but I had never seen it in use,=20 >> either in college or in over ten years as a software developer >> since then. In contrast Linux is everywhere! Even though there are >> so many applications where FreeBSD seems to be a better or at least >> more mature solution. >>=20 >> What are the current efforts to promote and educate people on >> FreeBSD? I'd love to help spread the word. >>=20 >=20 > Hi Andrew, >=20 > Your message caught my eye because of your company name in your > signature. I thought I had seen it somewhere before, and I had - I > was at the VentureX competition at the abi when you won the grand prize! >=20 > I'm down the road in Hollis, NH, and I have been to a few of the > Wednesday meetups at the abi. I am a FreeBSD ports tree committer, > and like you, I found it a number of years ago after getting so > frustrated with the multitude of different Linux flavors. I needed an > OS that was packaged consistently, and the ports tree was a huge win > for me. >=20 > After submitting a number of PRs over the years, I was invited to > become a committer, and I have mentored other new committers since > then. If that is ever an interest to you, we should talk about it. >=20 > Anyway, I would be happy to meet with you to talk about FreeBSD in > general, as well as advocacy, if you want. I'm interested to learn > more about how you are managing your infrastructure, too. We > currently making heavy use of jails and are also in the midst of a > project implementing a Puppet-based server provisioning framework. >=20 > We could certainly give a short overview of FreeBSD in one of the > meetups at the abi, and maybe there's even call for a user group, if > there's enough interest in the area. >=20 > Cheers, > Greg >=20 Wow! Talk about a small world. I'd love to meet up. I'll send you a direct e= mail and maybe we can grab coffee or something next week.=20 > - --=20 > Greg Larkin >=20 > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve > http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. > http://twitter.com/cpucycle/ - Follow you, follow me > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >=20 > iEYEARECAAYFAk+a79kACgkQ0sRouByUApCR+gCePd4rfkcdyq0OuOecxOAbRz6Q > 5e4An15lkn9QRL6T9LvDgCMgYt4TATjp > =3DB/1h > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 28 16:45:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEED106566B for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:45:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778A08FC0A for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deb603.localnet ([213.120.11.230]) by avasout08 with smtp id 3Uhw1j0024xo6Xp01UhxHs; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 17:41:59 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=I8Dntacg c=1 sm=1 a=PubQ5v7nJyINOFb4yZBeYQ==:17 a=tvFjYeeLK-cA:10 a=KdljGRtMWWsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=SPTFi9yOYvzb5XPy5j8A:9 a=1XpJsq5MloP1xX6yRJQA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=PubQ5v7nJyINOFb4yZBeYQ==:117 From: Frank Mitchell To: "Dag-Erling =?utf-8?q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:52:27 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-5-686; KDE/4.4.5; i686; ; ) References: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> <201204271645.18801.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <86y5pgn8la.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86y5pgn8la.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201204281652.28123.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wildebeest Licensing X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:45:11 -0000 Hi: Why not write your own Software License? Just avoid anything illegal. Before composing the Wildebeest Licence I read some legal stuff to ensure i= t=20 made sense. Remember, I live in England, where Copyright Law is different, = and=20 licenses formulated for the USA can be silly. Microsoft's Warranty Disclaim= ers=20 about Merchantability and Personal Injury are completely invalid here. And= =20 we're covered by European Union law, which doesn't recognise Software Paten= ts=20 as such. Originally I was motivated by Joerg Schilling's experience with "cdrecord".= =20 I'm sure the "No Warranty" clause attracts people who don't bother to test= =20 their ideas properly. "Spiegel" is my personal CD Writing project, so I aim= ed=20 to keep it simple and ensure it worked properly. I don't want anybody=20 circulating defective versions of a program which people may use to back up= =20 their data. On Friday 27 April 2012 22:55:13 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Frank Mitchell writes: > > While there's a debate about licenses, below is my own Wildebeest > > License, >=20 > "The first rule of software licenses: don't write your own" >=20 > DES