From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 08:58:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64C01065670; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A395B8FC12; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc2-cmbg15-2-0-cust790.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.26.15.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4V8wpAs015328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 31 May 2012 08:58:52 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:58:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <642DB73D-7DCA-4E6C-838B-7D9B23B3E310@FreeBSD.org> References: To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:58:56 -0000 Thanks to all who replied, both on and off list. I've attempted to = distill the replies that I got into a coherent summary. I've put the = draft on the wiki here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhyUseFreeBSD Feedback welcome! David On 30 May 2012, at 19:20, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, >=20 > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm = sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number = of users. =20 >=20 > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material = (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I = do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using = FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about = FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first = started using it? =20 >=20 > David From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:00:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913AD1065672; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09648FC0A; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4V9xsBu066441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 May 2012 10:59:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q4V9xsBu066441 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q4V9xsBu066441; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <4FC74111.10505@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:59:45 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Chisnall References: <642DB73D-7DCA-4E6C-838B-7D9B23B3E310@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <642DB73D-7DCA-4E6C-838B-7D9B23B3E310@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1C0CC455E09ACED9844548D5" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:00:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1C0CC455E09ACED9844548D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 31/05/2012 09:58, David Chisnall wrote: > http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhyUseFreeBSD > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material > (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before > I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using > FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about > FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first > started using it? Heh. My original reason for ever trying out FreeBSD was that I could install it by downloading only one floppy-disk image. I'll bet that dates me. Anyhow, one point about the ports you don't mention but which I think is a real win, and a real distinguishing feature is the marvellous flexibility it allows. For instance: ever tried to install memcached on various linuxen? When you specifically want memcached-1.4 with the repcached patches? Not easy. It's just an OPTION setting in ports. Easy. I've seen it said by very competent admins that "if you're running software package X as the primary engine of your business then you really should be compiling it yourself from source with your own configuration choices rather than relying on the packages supplied with your distro." Which is quite true. Except, with the ports, you can not only do that, but you don't have to give up on the benefits of using the OS packaging system. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig1C0CC455E09ACED9844548D5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/HQRkACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxbHgCcCTE1t5ywYfVlQYGnvNGQbHCj NAEAnjkS0YmvYKlXw60/JmL6kWhA+QRV =k2OJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1C0CC455E09ACED9844548D5-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 23:07:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D03106566C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275578FC19 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Saawo-0007X4-Qq for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:07:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:07:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1338592078824-5714091.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <86pqapmxmc.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> <201204271645.18801.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <86y5pgn8la.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201204281652.28123.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <86pqapmxmc.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Wildebeest Licensing X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:07:59 -0000 I would add- "Some strange license? Ditch it, we are not going to take chances." - Voice of Responsible (TM) corporate management. Seriously, why they should pay for legal expertise and still would not be sure of (practical) consequences? Popular/known licenses are hard enough... And if stake is high enough some obvious things easily can become debatable. But interesting idea nonetheless, I would like to read it again after feeling somewhat comfortable (If this time comes at all) with EU IP law and seek for possible problems. But it has theoretical value at best. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/BSD-license-tp5632493p5714091.html Sent from the freebsd-advocacy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. 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[24.247.238.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3sm135555igc.7.2012.06.01.16.45.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q51Njldx075795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:45:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q51Njl7E075794; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:45:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:45:47 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: Jakub Lach Message-ID: <20120601234547.GA75602@DataIX.net> References: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> <201204271645.18801.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <86y5pgn8la.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201204281652.28123.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <86pqapmxmc.fsf@ds4.des.no> <1338592078824-5714091.post@n5.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1338592078824-5714091.post@n5.nabble.com> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmTZ+7XFNKnmgtxRIlwlYgMKFk+lF+IwlYKVGaOBaLaPUpk/oTg0NvAp4dJIgqYHWaRdG6e Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wildebeest Licensing X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:45:50 -0000 Late for the show but not the party! On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:07:58PM -0700, Jakub Lach wrote: > I would add- > > "Some strange license? Ditch it, we > are not going to take chances." - Voice of > Responsible (TM) corporate management. > > Seriously, why they should pay for > legal expertise and still would not be > sure of (practical) consequences? > > Popular/known licenses are hard enough... > > And if stake is high enough some obvious > things easily can become debatable. > > But interesting idea nonetheless, I would > like to read it again after feeling somewhat > comfortable (If this time comes at all) with > EU IP law and seek for possible problems. > > But it has theoretical value at best. > > -- > View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/BSD-license-tp5632493p5714091.html > Sent from the freebsd-advocacy mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- - (2^(N-1)) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 23:57:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E40106566C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0BF8FC08 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sabij-0002MB-4t for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:57:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1338595049144-5714097.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <20120601234547.GA75602@DataIX.net> References: <1SHqI5-0000qk-02@internal.tormail.net> <201204271645.18801.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <86y5pgn8la.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201204281652.28123.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <86pqapmxmc.fsf@ds4.des.no> <1338592078824-5714091.post@n5.nabble.com> <20120601234547.GA75602@DataIX.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Wildebeest Licensing X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:57:29 -0000 Sorry, should have written more about ants to keep you happy. (As a matter of fact, indeed I didn't register date of previous posts, not a lot going through list it appears.) -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/BSD-license-tp5632493p5714097.html Sent from the freebsd-advocacy mailing list archive at Nabble.com.