From owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 01:29:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675EB106566C; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 01:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (pancho.soaustin.net [76.74.250.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2C88FC15; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 01:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5DF2856173; Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:13:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:13:40 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: vwe@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120115011340.GA911@lonesome.com> References: <4F11E1BA.2010404@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F11E1BA.2010404@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: Gnats port disappeared?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Coordination of the Problem Report handling effort." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 01:29:19 -0000 On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 09:12:42PM +0100, vwe@freebsd.org wrote: > So it's clearly not a mistake, but a portsmgr decision. Well, I decided not to fight the removal any more, even though it's still part of our infrastructure. (At least for the time being.) fwiw, the effort to move our infrastructure from gnats3 to gnats would produce little real gain for all the work that would have to be done. It can always be installed by force-checking out files via a datespec. I'm hoping now that some of the pointyhat-west tasks have been finished, that I can go back to looking at The Next System soon. mcl From owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 20:19:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5E31065672 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:19:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99F88FC0A for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iagz16 with SMTP id z16so3823221iag.13 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:19:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RVkNZbKhPze0xXExih10Nn4ad/wbC57Xbn52qwzTS6s=; b=jttTT7/tyq/Yd594j0WRM4M14uehfCTyr4neZek/Kq6k7Z76i8stAKLmNCdib3IXoT Epn+lnP243IA4Qeu+KbneaNoz+QYyZC0gmEDOS+LVdRHBt/poUF2SL9undHn1NuKtmlb q4xonDYCT/ISKCD1Ez0lz+TKgYpv1mFOXBIqA= Received: by 10.50.46.196 with SMTP id x4mr10002300igm.15.1326658772318; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:19:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.207.7 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:19:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F11E1BA.2010404@freebsd.org> References: <4F11E1BA.2010404@freebsd.org> From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:19:01 +0000 Message-ID: To: vwe@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Mark Linimon , freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gnats port disappeared?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Coordination of the Problem Report handling effort." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:19:33 -0000 On 14 January 2012 20:12, wrote: > Hi Chris! > On 01/14/12 17:41, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> Hey Mark, >> >> Got a bit of a shock: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/databases/gnats/Attic/Makefi= le >> >> Did you know about this? =A0It's innocent and reasonable, but possibly a >> mistake. >> >> I was going to prepare a patch for GNATS so it didn't get confused by >> subjects like >> >> Fwd: Re: ports/152537: [patch] database/postgresql90-server no longer >> needs >> >> Would there be interest in such a patch? =A0Would you like the port >> resurrected, or should I just let you use a local copy? > > > Latest databases/gnats Makefile had this for a while before removal of th= e > port: > > FORBIDDEN=3D =A0 =A0 =A0Security issues > DEPRECATED=3D =A0 =A0 ${FORBIDDEN} > EXPIRATION_DATE=3D =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02011-09-30 > > So it's clearly not a mistake, but a portsmgr decision. > > Also everything else has to be decided by portsmgr but a port with unfixe= d > security issues over a long period of time seems a good candidate to be > removed. Yes, thank you, I did review the change history ;) I saw that dougb had given the port an expiry as part of a large commit, and miwi had removed it as part of another large commit. Innocent actions, but the history indicated it was swept away as collateral, rather than portmgr approved. Chris From owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 15 20:20:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB4510656D0 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A318FC0C for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iagz16 with SMTP id z16so3824228iag.13 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:20:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V9vRgEopgtE/tS+otDxW/FBvwjTolqI/7ZRcoB1aT0s=; b=uzupBkiq9GZsK0/yTjvAYfIYp32LDGrACb6jkMWOr1EhUhfYFFWqNVpENY6nvLKOAX fzSb3mbqLoThsemqb/RRg1HFWRf2yL7VtWtnOgXTmtkTKHsv/NXl4MPepE+z0GZgiSxR iVWzf+f1KPhSQ8IoWGqaxEQ3Jcc6tbyk7MO8s= Received: by 10.50.193.229 with SMTP id hr5mr10004345igc.15.1326658829267; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:20:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.207.7 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:19:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120115011340.GA911@lonesome.com> References: <4F11E1BA.2010404@freebsd.org> <20120115011340.GA911@lonesome.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:19:58 +0000 Message-ID: To: Mark Linimon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: vwe@freebsd.org, freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gnats port disappeared?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Coordination of the Problem Report handling effort." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:20:30 -0000 On 15 January 2012 01:13, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 09:12:42PM +0100, vwe@freebsd.org wrote: >> So it's clearly not a mistake, but a portsmgr decision. > > Well, I decided not to fight the removal any more, even though it's > still part of our infrastructure. =A0(At least for the time being.) > fwiw, the effort to move our infrastructure from gnats3 to gnats would > produce little real gain for all the work that would have to be done. > > It can always be installed by force-checking out files via a datespec. > > I'm hoping now that some of the pointyhat-west tasks have been finished, > that I can go back to looking at The Next System soon. That's cool-- but my question still stands; would you like a patch to stop it choking on Fwd: emails sent to bug-followup? Chris From owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 16 00:44:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60615106566B; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (pancho.soaustin.net [76.74.250.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6EA8FC13; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id A07B256173; Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:44:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:44:22 -0600 From: Mark Linimon To: Chris Rees Message-ID: <20120116004422.GA10854@lonesome.com> References: <4F11E1BA.2010404@freebsd.org> <20120115011340.GA911@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: vwe@freebsd.org, freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gnats port disappeared?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Coordination of the Problem Report handling effort." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:44:23 -0000 I'm kind of afraid to touch the thing at this point. Maybe some of the other boys feel differently. mcl From owner-freebsd-bugbusters@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 16 08:00:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE531065673 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vwe@freebsd.org) Received: from gwmbg.elbekies.net (gwmbg.elbekies.net [217.6.211.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B858FC14 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bel.soho.vwsoft.com (p57A0B4E0.dip.t-dialin.net [87.160.180.224]) (Authenticated sender: relay@elbekies.net) by gwmbg.elbekies.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C27B42FA; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:00:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.16.4] (dardanos.sz.vwsoft.com [192.168.16.4]) by bel.soho.vwsoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3AE33CA0; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:57:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F13D84E.4030101@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:57:02 +0100 From: vwe@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon References: <4F11E1BA.2010404@freebsd.org> <20120115011340.GA911@lonesome.com> <20120116004422.GA10854@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <20120116004422.GA10854@lonesome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner-ID: 7B3AE33CA0.A55B9 X-VWSoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: vwe@freebsd.org X-MailScanner-To: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org, linimon@lonesome.com, utisoft@gmail.com MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1327305432.43886@osc+9DEr11diQA29dOfgcw Cc: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org, Chris Rees Subject: Re: Gnats port disappeared?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-bugbusters@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Coordination of the Problem Report handling effort." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:00:42 -0000 On 01/16/12 01:44, Mark Linimon wrote: > I'm kind of afraid to touch the thing at this point. Maybe some > of the other boys feel differently. > > mcl > Mark, as we feel gnats should be abandoned already for a very long time, I don't think it makes sense to fix anything. It might be time to decide for either "upgrade" (I don't imagine how much work the procedure of upgrading might be) gnats to version 4 or switch away from that tool completely (I think it's long overdue but don't feel the need to put pressure on it). I think everybody agrees to switch away from gnats but there's not much need to press on that as we live a comfortable (but not lucky) life without changing much. As there's no pressure to change, we can waste our time in many different ways much better. On the other side, we can (steal|grab) a bit from our friends @netbsd as they've hacked their own version of gnats (I think they're using gnats4), that uses an SQL database as the backend and their frontend also looks much nicer. I'm pretty sure joerg@ is our friend to grab the code from. To come to the point: The port gnats isn't there anymore. clusteradm needed to do too much work to grab that port from the attic just to change some bits and manipulating files on disk of an already installed port / package isn't the thing I feel comfortable with (it awfully blows consistency-check). But that might be just me. Probably clusteradm and the other bugmeister' feel different and are happy to take the danger and do the work. Take care! Volker