From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 09:12:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99640106566C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepi102.cox.net (eastrmfepi102.cox.net [68.230.241.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A908FC08 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120105085955.HSPJ2803.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net>; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:59:55 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.55]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id Hkzu1i0091BeFqy02kzulo; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:59:54 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4F05668A.00D1,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SrYs8rolcd1oag5W3dSszTvpo+kXKLnBw6FdA3lSvZA= c=1 sm=1 a=8NHSYkrjdEUA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=fdHYxQQoAueMHNSmXppgDg==:17 a=n3mOl-U6AAAA:8 a=aKsxuqZSAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=j2azGHECtaOcU7N-WOAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=fCGunXbcS-wA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=fdHYxQQoAueMHNSmXppgDg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q058xqXh098392; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 02:59:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 02:59:47 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Brett Glass Message-ID: <20120105025947.7f659a54@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <201112042040.NAA07229@lariat.net> References: <201112042040.NAA07229@lariat.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Alejandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Camu=F1ez?= Subject: Re: Superstitious users and the FreeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:12:11 -0000 On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 13:40:19 -0700 Brett Glass wrote: > ROFL! This should be part of the official collection of artwork. >=20 > If we used this, all we'd need to worry about is offending the > atheists. ;-) > > --Brett Glass You beat me to it. I was just going to chime in with a remark to that effect, that as an atheist, I find this deeply offensive. :-) This could easily wind up like that "South Park" episode where they tried to stage a perfectly "politically correct" Christmas pageant that would offend absolutely no one, and wound up doing exactly the opposite instead (offending everyone). :-) > At 02:01 AM 12/4/2011, Alejandro Camu=F1ez wrote: >=20 > >I made a nice and "family-friendly" version. Here you have :P > > > >http://box.jisko.net/i/de9679fd.png > > > >Enjoy > > > > Alex Vixgeck.- --=20 Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 09:12:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63655106564A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepi102.cox.net (eastrmfepi102.cox.net [68.230.241.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E578FC0C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120105090154.ZGLO28068.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net>; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:01:54 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.55]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id Hl1t1i0071BeFqy02l1tkb; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:01:54 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4F056702.001E,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=5NIuvhVWHzt3D08YIQVCWCT0D+J982xUH/jHreRN8to= c=1 sm=1 a=8NHSYkrjdEUA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fdHYxQQoAueMHNSmXppgDg==:17 a=n3mOl-U6AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=VCs4u_sMY-yqQn8u6iQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fCGunXbcS-wA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=fdHYxQQoAueMHNSmXppgDg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q0591pBT099091; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:01:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:01:46 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Brett Glass Message-ID: <20120105030146.09b97d7e@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <201112060540.WAA24396@lariat.net> References: <201112042040.NAA07229@lariat.net> <20111204211801.GA17485@psconsult.nl> <4EDC8CDC.4010504@infracaninophile.co.uk> <201112060540.WAA24396@lariat.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Superstitious users and the FreeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:12:14 -0000 On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:40:09 -0700 Brett Glass wrote: > At 02:20 AM 12/5/2011, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > >Even better, colour it golden, and you can get the Harry Potter > >constituency on-board too.. > > Or color it pink... and pigs will fly! ;-) > > --Brett And make the head football-shaped, to win over fans of Stewie Griffin. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 09:51:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42FE1065672 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:51:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFFA8FC18 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120105095117.CZX28068.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net>; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:51:17 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.55]) by eastrmimpo110.cox.net with bizsmtp id HlrG1i0091BeFqy02lrHKp; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:51:17 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F057295.002C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=UJAwRnj6VfZxP3vT7W4vAg8D8vrJMSfrMxq2TR8CUCY= c=1 sm=1 a=8NHSYkrjdEUA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fdHYxQQoAueMHNSmXppgDg==:17 a=Hi_lnM7XAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=yC4Z5yzjN3xr9FzzDmIA:9 a=hiImL9IPiVxOxdR1E94A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PTprVwFw32EA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=fdHYxQQoAueMHNSmXppgDg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q059pGhj000222; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:51:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:51:10 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Jamie Message-ID: <20120105035110.3f86792a@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20111130133656.GH42014@mule.podro.com> References: <201111300158.SAA09037@lariat.net> <20111130133656.GH42014@mule.podro.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Superstitious users and the FreeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:51:23 -0000 On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:36:56 -0500 Jamie wrote: [snip] > As a former fundie myself (brief stint, I assure you!), I do have > some sympathy for your hotel guests. Decades ago, in my teens, before > I was fortunate enough to snap out of it, such a situation would have > produced an *extreme* amount of anxiety. > > I can only feel sorry for anyone who has lived their whole life that > way. > > There aren't many ways to help them, everything you say or do is > processed via an elaborate shell script that basically amounts to > this: > > sed -e 's/outside help/trick of the devel/' > > Poor people, really. If they weren't so dangerous & annoying, we > ought to have sympathy for them. It really was a high-stress > lifesytle. I'm thankful to have snapped out of it early on, lots of > others aren't so lucky. It really is like a trap. Glad to hear you were eventually "saved". :-) I recently caught a segment of "Inside The Actors' Studio" with several members of the cast of "Family Guy". Seth MacFarlane's response to one of the standard closing questions posed by James Lipton was priceless: Lipton: If Heaven exists, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates? MacFarlane: I'm really sorry about all my followers. Ya just gotta love ol' Seth. :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 10:01:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83616106564A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepi107.cox.net (eastrmfepi107.cox.net [68.230.241.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245108FC1A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120105093437.ZSME4752.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net>; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:34:37 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.86.55]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id Hlac1i00P1BeFqy02ladxm; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:34:37 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4F056EAD.004C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SrYs8rolcd1oag5W3dSszTvpo+kXKLnBw6FdA3lSvZA= c=1 sm=1 a=8NHSYkrjdEUA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fdHYxQQoAueMHNSmXppgDg==:17 a=n3mOl-U6AAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=w1YSiIqN4lGi6rUKhDcA:9 a=Zjk_migl-ADX5AKQpSgA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fCGunXbcS-wA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=fdHYxQQoAueMHNSmXppgDg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q059YaV8015170; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:34:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:34:29 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Brett Glass Message-ID: <20120105033429.17c1164c@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <201111300158.SAA09037@lariat.net> References: <201111300158.SAA09037@lariat.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Superstitious users and the FreeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:01:33 -0000 On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:57:57 -0700 Brett Glass wrote: > Everyone: > > I just got a call from the owner of a hotel for which we provide > hotspot service. She says that a guest spotted the "Powered by > FreeBSD" logo at the bottom of the login page, and was offended; > the guest was convinced that either we or the hotel management > "worshipped the Devil" and refused to stay at the hotel unless the > logo was removed. The owner could make no headway by explaining > that the besneakered mascot was a cartoon character and was a > daemon, not the Devil. And she feared upsetting the guest even more > if she said that large portions of the same software are inside > every Mac and iPad. The hotel stands to lose more than $1000 if the > guest, who had originally planned to stay for a long period, moves > out. > > One of our tech support people also got a call directly from the > hotel guest, who claimed that having the logo on the page > constituted "abuse." The guest also claimed to be "losing money" > because she wouldn't use the hotspot if there was a "devil" on the > splash page. He didn't even realize what she was talking about at > first.... He couldn't imagine why on Earth this person was calling > him and going on about devils. > > Attempts at misguided religious censorship notwithstanding, I don't > want to see one of my ISP's customers lose business. And I'd like > to keep a FreeBSD logo on our hotspot page. Is there artwork that > doesn't include horned creatures that might offend the ignorant or > superstitious? > > --Brett Glass Oh...my...God (if you'll pardon my use of that expression). :-) Knee-jerk robotic reactionaries such as the individual in question most definitely give me pause. Seems like every time I start to feel even the slightest twinge of optimism that perhaps the human race actually may be progressing as a species towards a more enlightened future, one of these throwbacks pops up to rudely snap me back to reality. That this person felt no shame or embarrassment at lodging such an absurdly ridiculous complaint is clear evidence of the abysmal depths of mindless, unreasoning stupidity to which people can be degenerated by religion. Of course, a predisposition to exactly such a mindset is required in order to be sucked into believing such hogwash in the first place. As for your final question: I must confess to taking a certain pleasure at the thought of offending "the ignorant or superstitious". Such is the price of being ignorant or superstitious, as well it should be. I certainly don't envy you your position of having to try to appease these yahoos. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net