From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 16 10:59:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B501065672 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 10:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: owner-freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:59:05 +0000 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Subject: Your message to freebsd-ia64 awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:59:07 -0000 Your mail to 'freebsd-ia64' with the subject Your monthly income can be increased to 1950 dollars paid. 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From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 16 11:18:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB14D1065673; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89848FC14; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1A16526; Wed, 16 May 2012 11:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CA3AB8ABF; Wed, 16 May 2012 13:18:13 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Vance Siemens References: <4FA2434F.1020802@unsane.co.uk> <864nrxh5zf.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:18:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Vance Siemens's message of "Sat, 12 May 2012 09:25:04 -0400") Message-ID: <868vgsv0ga.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Vincent Hoffman Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 11:18:21 -0000 Vance Siemens writes: > Can you share a brief overview of what's wrong with it? Umm, it's about as factual as The Onion, except not as funny. FreeBSD never had to "jettison two thirds of its code base and start from scratch". Apple is not involved in FreeBSD development. No Mac OS X or Darwin version "includes" FreeBSD. FreeBSD and Mac OS X will never merge. FreeBSD was never acquired by WinDriver Systems or by anyone else, although a company named WindRiver Systems (makers of the embedded operating system VxWorks, not of Windows video drivers) did at one point acquire BSDI, which had previously acquired Walnut Creek CD-ROM, which was heavily involved in the early history of both FreeBSD and Slackware Linux. The remains of Walnut Creek CD-ROM and BSDI are now known as FreeBSD Mall and iXsystems (of PC-BSD and FreeNAS fame). DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 16 14:29:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91944106564A; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:29:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from topsaile@pado.com.br) Received: from 113.Red-88-2-165.staticIP.rima-tde.net (113.Red-88-2-165.staticIP.rima-tde.net [88.2.165.113]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417C58FC08; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FB3B9B3.102050@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 15:29:28 +0100 From: , , , , User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: , , , , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: We'll pay you from $ 98 per hour for remote assistance in our clinic X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:29:29 -0000 We invite you to work in the remote assistant position. 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Please indicate in the request: Your name: Your email address: City of residence: Please send the request to my email Angie@eureseurope.com and I will answer you personally as soon as possible Sincerely, Angie Fisher From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 16 14:51:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73254106566C for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:51:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@geniegate.com) Received: from web.podro.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f7d0:300:1::100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5B58FC14 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 14:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web.podro.com (web.podro.com [65.18.192.166]) by web.podro.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4GEpF6o058412 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 09:51:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jamie@geniegate.com) Received: from ns1.podro.com (ns1.podro.com [65.18.192.210]) by web.podro.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q4GEpFkk058410 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 May 2012 09:51:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jamie@geniegate.com) X-Authentication-Warning: web.podro.com: joe set sender to jamie@geniegate.com using -f Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 09:51:15 -0500 From: Jamie To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120516145115.GD22790@mule.podro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Downtime! Downtime! Downtime! I want FreeBSD! :-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:51:17 -0000 Hello FreeBSD-Chat, I've got a dedicated freebsd box in the US, the thing is rock solid, in 4 years time, I think it's been down maybe 3 times and in all those cases, it was a bone-head mistake on my part... I like FreeBSD.. a lot. Anyway, my FreeBSD box is located in the US and doesn't offer the bandwidth I need... so I went to the dark side and tried out a couple Linux VPS type of deals. Here are the applications I need to run (reliably): . icecast . shoutcast . nginx I need this to be outside the US, preferably Europe or Canada, doesn't matter. (it's SOCAN licensed, and I just don't trust the US politicians not to bow down to lobbyists) I'll eventually need around 4TB/month of bandwidth if I'm *really* lucky... but probably not for some time (if ever) With Linux VPS's (I tried both KVM and OpenVZ) I tried chvps.com and edis.at Here's what happened: Network errors! every hour or more! it happened with only 6 or so stream connections, (INCLUDING the incoming ones) Obviously, no one is going to become a regular listener if they get booted off for 4 minutes every hour... this sucks! Does anyone know of a place that'll rent out FreeBSD jails, with 2 IP numbers? (and by that, I don't mean FreeBSD running in a linux virtualization compartment.. I mean, freebsd running on bare hardware) Jamie -- http://www.geniegate.com Custom web programming Perl * Java * UNIX User Management Solutions From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 16 15:31:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021D2106564A for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpetsmoker@arp242.net) Received: from mail.arp242.net (cthulhu.daemonforums.org [94.142.244.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48048FC0C for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.arp242.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EAB4317018; Wed, 16 May 2012 17:25:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:25:11 +0200 From: Martin Tournoij To: Jamie Message-ID: <20120516152511.GB51013@arp242.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jamie , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20120516145115.GD22790@mule.podro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120516145115.GD22790@mule.podro.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Downtime! Downtime! Downtime! I want FreeBSD! :-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 15:31:23 -0000 On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 09:51:15AM -0500, Jamie wrote: > Does anyone know of a place that'll rent out FreeBSD jails, with > 2 IP numbers? (and by that, I don't mean FreeBSD running in a linux > virtualization compartment.. I mean, freebsd running on bare hardware) I've never heard of this exactly, but TransIP offers fairly decent VPS hosting for FreeBSD and OpenBSD. https://www.transip.eu/vps/pricing-and-purchase/ -- Martin Tournoij http://arp242.net | http://daemonforums.org QOTD: You are an insult to my intelligence! I demand that you log off immediately. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 16 22:39:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DD2106566B for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nzp@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [204.13.164.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E9F8FC16 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fruiteater.riseup.net (fruiteater-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A85BC565D3 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 15:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: nzp@fruiteater.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id 7D0979F5 Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:39:10 +0200 From: Nikola =?utf-8?B?UGF2bG92acSH?= To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120516223910.GA84641@sputnjik.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20120516145115.GD22790@mule.podro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120516145115.GD22790@mule.podro.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Downtime! Downtime! Downtime! I want FreeBSD! :-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:39:21 -0000 On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 09:51:15AM -0500, Jamie wrote: > Hello FreeBSD-Chat, > > I've got a dedicated freebsd box in the US, the thing is rock solid, > in 4 years time, I think it's been down maybe 3 times and in all those > cases, it was a bone-head mistake on my part... I like FreeBSD.. a lot. > > Anyway, my FreeBSD box is located in the US and doesn't offer the > bandwidth I need... so I went to the dark side and tried out a couple > Linux VPS type of deals. > > Here are the applications I need to run (reliably): > > . icecast > . shoutcast > . nginx > > I need this to be outside the US, preferably Europe or Canada, > doesn't matter. (it's SOCAN licensed, and I just don't trust the > US politicians not to bow down to lobbyists) > > I'll eventually need around 4TB/month of bandwidth if I'm *really* > lucky... but probably not for some time (if ever) > > With Linux VPS's (I tried both KVM and OpenVZ) > > I tried chvps.com and edis.at > > Here's what happened: > > Network errors! every hour or more! it happened with only 6 or so > stream connections, (INCLUDING the incoming ones) > > Obviously, no one is going to become a regular listener if they > get booted off for 4 minutes every hour... this sucks! > > Does anyone know of a place that'll rent out FreeBSD jails, with > 2 IP numbers? (and by that, I don't mean FreeBSD running in a linux > virtualization compartment.. I mean, freebsd running on bare hardware) > Notu sure if this will fit your needs, but I'm quite pleased with http://hetzner.de (I've been with them for a month so far, no objections). There is no "auto" install for FreeBSD, but they offer a FreeBSD "rescue system" (mfsBSD in fact) and you can proceed from there. They even have a help page which can get you started on installing. No technical support for FreeBSD but I guess you won't need that anyway. They offer up to 4 additional IPs, 1 euro/month per IP, or you can get subnets which of course costs a lot more. The only problem you might have is bandwidth, but additional charges when you go over the limit don't seem too bad. -- Condense soup, not books! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 17 23:20:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE10106566B; Thu, 17 May 2012 23:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vance.siemens@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B928FC0C; Thu, 17 May 2012 23:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadv36 with SMTP id v36so3356179dad.13 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:20:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0IAJVUnFPDmoQROydrYkUoE4xeShg5/PTq4WjuJKCfk=; b=FR/YXLFTg0XVdMlJuSYzVmvjSavTsMXXhQbhJdv0MQNoxxCz/3x/C2vdHA/A2IsdOr xp3y9YPcO0nMaCnJsTb8MvQxaKLPwfSgJ27mwfq2HGpJjiWHHgjrr5S/mGOCUDnJVDlQ uXtLivI9VzeUB1RUDeVDME5APIoH3+4//pNJOy6sYnIf9ejE5mu0YozoEajWo+koUohY +OBOLUkX/OP4oELt27r8bqe8Zq+EDoJPdh6c3jWDmyGPFyqN4SoVKQmwP2Cq/J1Hffpc /NjRjVnLtiEvPQamZcl13vTNCAoT4TzIFIelI286M1dcfgcM9QDyEzuvIWgbF2kd3m63 S3dQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.191.196 with SMTP id ha4mr24444399pbc.146.1337296818970; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.25.138 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 16:20:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <868vgsv0ga.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <4FA2434F.1020802@unsane.co.uk> <864nrxh5zf.fsf@ds4.des.no> <868vgsv0ga.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 19:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: Vance Siemens To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Vincent Hoffman Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication... X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:20:19 -0000 Eh, sorry. I got excited at the prospect of downloading FreeBSD from the App Store and having the installer "just work" in a modern GUI. You have to admit, FreeBSD is lacking in this area. It would be a boon. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrot= e: > Vance Siemens writes: >> Can you share a brief overview of what's wrong with it? > > Umm, it's about as factual as The Onion, except not as funny. =C2=A0FreeB= SD > never had to "jettison two thirds of its code base and start from > scratch". =C2=A0Apple is not involved in FreeBSD development. =C2=A0No Ma= c OS X or > Darwin version "includes" FreeBSD. =C2=A0FreeBSD and Mac OS X will never > merge. =C2=A0FreeBSD was never acquired by WinDriver Systems or by anyone > else, although a company named WindRiver Systems (makers of the embedded > operating system VxWorks, not of Windows video drivers) did at one point > acquire BSDI, which had previously acquired Walnut Creek CD-ROM, which > was heavily involved in the early history of both FreeBSD and Slackware > Linux. =C2=A0The remains of Walnut Creek CD-ROM and BSDI are now known as > FreeBSD Mall and iXsystems (of PC-BSD and FreeNAS fame). > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 18 03:24:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7AA106566C; Fri, 18 May 2012 03:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Rick.Hamell@sparqtraining.com) Received: from mx1.nike.iphmx.com (esa8.nike.iphmx.com [68.232.135.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E068FC1B; Fri, 18 May 2012 03:24:33 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,614,1330934400"; d="scan'208";a="56741833" Received: from barrierb241.nike.com (HELO barrierL241.nike.com) ([146.197.27.90]) by mx1.nike.iphmx.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 17 May 2012 20:23:24 -0700 Received: from beavertn-svr-j5.nike.com (beavertn-svr-j5.nike.com [146.197.9.146]) by nkewhqmsf05.nike.com with ESMTP id q4I3NMqP006770; Fri, 18 May 2012 03:23:24 GMT Received: from HILLSBOR-SVR-JN.nike.com ([146.197.64.200]) by beavertn-svr-j5.nike.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Thu, 17 May 2012 20:23:22 -0700 Received: from BEAVERTN-SVR-VE.nike.com ([146.197.89.82]) by HILLSBOR-SVR-JN.nike.com ([::1]) with mapi; Thu, 17 May 2012 20:23:21 -0700 From: "Hamell, Rick (SPARQ)" To: Vance Siemens Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:23:16 -0700 Thread-Topic: FreeBSD 10 prognostication... Thread-Index: Ac00pZM+FRhi2pkcShSDUNgEg3F7mw== Message-ID: References: <4FA2434F.1020802@unsane.co.uk> <864nrxh5zf.fsf@ds4.des.no> <868vgsv0ga.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2012 03:23:22.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[9448CE60:01CD34A5] Cc: =?utf-8?B?RGFnLUVybGluZyBTbcO4cmdyYXY=?= , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" , Vincent Hoffman Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication... 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 03:52:53 -0000 > > > =20 > > > Umm, it's about as factual as The Onion, except not as funny. =46re= eBSD > > > never had to =22jettison two thirds of its code base and start from= > > > scratch=22. Apple is not involved in =46reeBSD development. No Mac = OS X or > > > Darwin version =22includes=22 =46reeBSD. =46reeBSD and Mac OS X wil= l never > > > merge. =46reeBSD was never acquired by WinDriver Systems or by anyo= ne > > > else, although a company named WindRiver Systems (makers of the emb= edded > > > operating system VxWorks, not of Windows video drivers) did at one = point > > > acquire BSDI, which had previously acquired Walnut Creek CD-ROM, wh= ich > > > was heavily involved in the early history of both =46reeBSD and Sla= ckware > > > Linux. The remains of Walnut Creek CD-ROM and BSDI are now known as= > > > =46reeBSD Mall and iXsystems (of PC-BSD and =46reeNAS fame). > > =20 > =20 =22Troll=22 *is* right there in the name=21 =20 > > > =20 > > > DES > > > -- > > > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des=40des.no (mailto:des=40des.no) > > =20 > =20 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 18 20:21:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352F9106564A; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg.moskalenko@citrix.com) Received: from SMTP02.CITRIX.COM (smtp02.citrix.com [66.165.176.63]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9088FC08; Fri, 18 May 2012 20:21:01 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,618,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="195584275" Received: from sjcpmailmx01.citrite.net ([10.216.14.74]) by FTLPIPO02.CITRIX.COM with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 18 May 2012 16:19:52 -0400 Received: from SJCPMAILBOX01.citrite.net ([10.216.4.73]) by SJCPMAILMX01.citrite.net ([10.216.14.74]) with mapi; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:19:50 -0700 From: Oleg Moskalenko To: "'Hamell, Rick (SPARQ)'" , Vance Siemens Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:19:50 -0700 Thread-Topic: FreeBSD 10 prognostication... 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