From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 12 14:25:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B38106566C for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:25:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000001391b38e4ce-acf49f67-bcec-4487-b532-0a87d9b04345-000000@amazonses.com) Received: from b232-184.smtp-out.amazonses.com (b232-184.smtp-out.amazonses.com [199.127.232.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5968FC08 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:25:44 +0000 (UTC) From: ASSETscope To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:24:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000001391b38e4ce-acf49f67-bcec-4487-b532-0a87d9b04345-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-SES-Outgoing: 199.127.232.184 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: ASSETscope Newsletter August, 2012 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 14:25:45 -0000 [Aug12_image1.jpg] Educational Initiatives E-Newsletter August 2012 [1]www.ei-india.com Welcome to the 83rd issue of our newsletter! 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From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 15 23:18:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7683106564A for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from outsidetheboxllc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8715E8FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so2577880vbm.13 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:18:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=m4rYpjvY0RhZqacXVBidn+ZdEwvQcSTs+WSWACCoM60=; b=x+Ro8Et8uqjRls7LDw3iJdXdneOrrd+PoIRq8DaJdlaf2/X9uoW7oGPUnXAuVY2lRx 0g6qzjuXOXxSQy34TtvPxgM5FbP05LHhG42Jcbs73pBmbTd7tyLASiKgsSJR/ToBf4JA jhZaAuUGd7xTK7MjdMdjNpvM6MFKqV5hES0YIJk+3rqmG7H1ly43DmF31tis8S/6/Jk0 nin7XNEQVlwxhcBxKs6PhDbXNAbV1VmewpR+8R/0CiSDCY+IW79BjWaM5ETwwRkLKOui 3M0EP8Mua5eQH15+ggd2/b57sQxQg/Rab+crR8sdTsHYaHKAUubgbmH7s6NafjOvIx6R HQbA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.108.15 with SMTP id d15mr2821408vcp.37.1345072686730; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.196.235 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:18:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:18:06 -0700 Message-ID: From: Outside_the_Box LLC To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fwd: /bsd_newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:18:07 -0000 * 32 bit ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Outside_the_Box LLC Date: Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:12 PM Subject: /bsd_newbie To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org * greetings, * new user attempting to run live cd 9.0... * once it goes through boot process and>> * prompts for install or live i go to live and>> * get a passwd prompt ( i have not set one). * i tried the passwd of each machine i put disc in>> * and it just says wrong| * i tried to just enter through it and nope| * i tried to set one in case it was asking and nope| * any help appreciated and thanks for your timely response... From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 16 05:52:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E311065672 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745CB8FC0A for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (host86-180-66-20.range86-180.btcentralplus.com [86.180.66.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7G5qr0c065623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:52:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q7G5qr0c065623 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q7G5qr0c065623; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host host86-180-66-20.range86-180.btcentralplus.com [86.180.66.20] claimed to be seedling.black-earth.co.uk Message-ID: <502C8AAE.6090306@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:52:46 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig888758F681323A56D03B9444" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Subject: Re: /bsd_newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 05:52:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig888758F681323A56D03B9444 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16/08/2012 00:12, Outside_the_Box LLC wrote: > * once it goes through boot process and>> > * prompts for install or live i go to live and>> > * get a passwd prompt ( i have not set one). >=20 > * i tried the passwd of each machine i put disc in>> > * and it just says wrong| The only available login on the live CD is username: root blank password Unless you're using a live CD image that someone has customized, that should work for you. If you need further assistance, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org would be the most appropriate place to ask. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig888758F681323A56D03B9444 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAsirUACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxUhQCfY3aPlhI3IX2cikdJhDD5FNnG EjsAn08N4ykGVjV2CjvoMMmpcnk2lL0M =Ah/W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig888758F681323A56D03B9444-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 17 11:41:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E21106566B for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@geniegate.com) Received: from web.podro.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f7d0:300:1::100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F998FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web.podro.com (web.podro.com [65.18.192.166]) by web.podro.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7HBftAp084456 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 06:41:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jamie@geniegate.com) Received: from ns1.podro.com (ns1.podro.com [65.18.192.210]) by web.podro.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q7HBfr2J084454 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 06:41:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jamie@geniegate.com) X-Authentication-Warning: web.podro.com: joe set sender to jamie@geniegate.com using -f Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 06:41:52 -0500 From: Jamie To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120817114152.GC71604@mule.podro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: FreeBSD/Perl jobs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:41:56 -0000 I'm a successful freelance developer, have been for many years. But lately.... things are drying up. I can do PHP quite well actually. If you've written in perl, other languages are usually a piece of cake. However, the problem with PHP is that you're dealing with younger people who aren't very interested in Perl experience and frankly, they're not very interested in anyone over 35. :-/ It doesn't matter if you know PHP, they want someone who can cut-n-paste wordpress plugins or things of that nature. (which is rather silly, IMO) FreeBSD has the same problems. It's much better for servers, it's solid, it's awesome and very few people care if you have experience with it. Where would you say the jobs are for older people who like Perl & FreeBSD? The other question has to do with gaining/keeping skills. I've done python, java, etc.. on my own time, just to understand it. But it's difficult to get an XYZ job, unless you've done an XYZ job. How do you get experience in other technologies without wasting your time learning the wrong niche technology? Freelancing is tough these days! Jamie -- http://www.geniegate.com Custom web programming Perl * Java * UNIX User Management Solutions From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 17 12:07:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17702106566C for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:07:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl (unknown [IPv6:2001:7b8:30f:e0::5059:ee8a]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C408FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl (mx1.hvnu.psconsult.nl [46.44.189.154]) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7HC77Pi038241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:07:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id q7HC77aZ038240; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:07:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@psconsult.nl) X-Authentication-Warning: mx1.psconsult.nl: paul set sender to freebsd@psconsult.nl using -f Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:07:07 +0200 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: Jamie Message-ID: <20120817120707.GA15509@psconsult.nl> References: <20120817114152.GC71604@mule.podro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120817114152.GC71604@mule.podro.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/Perl jobs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:07:15 -0000 Hi Jamie, On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 06:41:52AM -0500, Jamie wrote: > I'm a successful freelance developer, have been for many years. > > But lately.... things are drying up. Not to discourage you but this is something many freelance developers and sysadmins face at the moment. > I can do PHP quite well actually. If you've written in perl, other languages > are usually a piece of cake. However, the problem with PHP is that you're > dealing with younger people who aren't very interested in Perl experience > and frankly, they're not very interested in anyone over 35. :-/ It doesn't > matter if you know PHP, they want someone who can cut-n-paste wordpress > plugins or things of that nature. (which is rather silly, IMO) > > FreeBSD has the same problems. It's much better for servers, it's solid, it's > awesome and very few people care if you have experience with it. I agree that good software written/maintained by skilled and experienced developers beat cut-n-paste hypeware, Some others sadly speak about progress... > Where would you say the jobs are for older people who like Perl & FreeBSD? There must be many, trick is to find. OTOH, accumulating more skills brings you better chances of finding work to do. BTW, it'd help if you disclose where on this planet you are, roughly. > The other question has to do with gaining/keeping skills. I've done python, > java, etc.. on my own time, just to understand it. But it's difficult to get an > XYZ job, unless you've done an XYZ job. How do you get experience in other > technologies without wasting your time learning the wrong niche technology? Open source development, community projects etc. > Freelancing is tough these days! In the late 1990's there was so much work to do and companies seemed to have endless resources to attract and pay for freelancers that many people took a chance and became one. In the 2000's we now have so many people competing for jobs and companies are reluctant to spend a lot of money on IT that it has become difficult to keep all freelancers working. My "over 35" experience started before the turn of the century so yes, I know what you mean. I'm sorry I cannot help you solve your problem right now but I can only advise you to keep learning by putting newly acquired skills to use, even if that does not directly generate income and start thinking of how you see your future from here till you think you can retire from work. I started thinking about this many moons ago and came to the conclusion that if selling your skills as a freelance developer or sysadmin gets difficult after 35, I have to be doing things radically different before I hit the 50 or 60 mark. Wish you good luck, keep fate! With kind regards, Paul Schenkeveld