From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 22 07:46:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E8E106566B for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 07:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0D78FC12 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 07:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so1947196vbb.13 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:45:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KVBF/NQDb5nS+/b+LSNEf9AlE/eYaoxnN/hXNG3zkAA=; b=Wo4Kimxkh+Vx3GQx3Ee3077HsJ+jtLB9/IrGegzCw4e2CHVolITUTY6rLjlOwOVWpk cMM6vm6TmwyqH7nj/SfPCQkgLXHZ895O7b+NQjashngEGcM5vSZcKIXElr9sc1AcLnKZ oot4T9DtH55CmvmW1sxLjKAuJyvW5nZwjz0Qo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.24.35 with SMTP id r3mr1768387vdf.81.1327218358822; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:45:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.36.5 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:45:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F19188A.4090907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20120119005658.218280@gmx.com> <4F19188A.4090907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:45:58 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: r8IA9s1gRXvyWAXoupixL7lGOwM Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Da Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 07:46:00 -0000 Hi, It's not an easy task to get "noticed". Well, no i lie - that's easy, start submitting patches. Then you need to find someone who you can nag to get it done. I've offered to a few people to include stuff - just keep nagging me. Linux projects have the same problem, don't doubt it - but they have a larger group of active people, generally looking after a very specific corner of the world. If you want to join the fray and get a commit bit, just be persistent and be willing to look after one specific corner of the tree. Then you'll be responsible for dealing with others nagging you. :) Getting to that point can take a bit of effort though. In terms of wifi, I jumped in with both feet and asked a whole bunch of questions (and nagged a whole lot of people) until I wrapped my head around things. This may or may not be the way you work. :-) The trouble is it's just (mostly) me. It's a little overwhelming, especially since I don't subscribe to the "copy everyone elses' work and hope it works fine" method of working.. Adrian