From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 03:31:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A779313B for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 03:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3658FC08 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 03:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fo14so1109995vcb.13 for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:31:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Gp/rn9guOgJUFElW6Wm2JHEmk+13BtijtIR0XDOqQk=; b=nHNrPJMiZZVt8m1kqjqi325r/DiX2OZO3GBIIF78OK05taF7WUG0XSOYQP1Zu0P50a lfdbu/EQouHLNWVwYIDVNlkJUBphepSfnJgOsIvU7N5HImAGLFILxdZY4NREtB5tFEBb dFHY5iZ4qQzOtGWn/O9RgG2fOPkKj10Oa3m0E= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=0Gp/rn9guOgJUFElW6Wm2JHEmk+13BtijtIR0XDOqQk=; b=AQKgl0wZSUtGkl0847LNPKtQyzd2yYsvY6GwU5+ka/u1xFsvlemfGD7z2RP/setoP/ 5hGnc3R0a569dKRtNKz8EToOLtlfu4GPkQ85TKzJTpvbbuBoWTXasVRo0IUR3t/IOnWI 2asa6KhQdxT4KXg2W0S9XBCQfxPdFxrvgkA6dp3yokKGcwsENcjhB+Ve6/xgoqchXcSM 4904hiSxHFKwf/TGD6Mje2HxegwfnvcnOlJ3doAQdlI72Vx4GPe2yN4ZTw0ths650cX8 h9T2cAyour8D2ZcyI1pL9rkWSJr+zeGgj1j5WA9XiEXlscCzKlZQSFRH8Vw/uRX9FhxV d4sA== Received: by 10.58.137.7 with SMTP id qe7mr5392373veb.23.1354419110354; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:31:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.55.201 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 19:31:20 -0800 (PST) From: Eitan Adler Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:31:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray To: mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQksVFg7rBk09E/xrDB61dtBlfvuiXBKi7TnSgXDFxjuPSXms02nKgVx5mypoF1LcJclSLuO X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 03:31:51 -0000 Does anyone have any comments on the following: - is it a good FreeBSD development laptop? - is wireless supported by FreeBSD? - what about graphics / X ? - suspend/resume? I'm looking to buy this in the next day or two so quick replies appreciated= . :) IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray Part number: 59359513 =E2=80=A2 3rd Generation Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor( 2.40GHz 6MB) =E2=80=A2 NVIDIA GeForce GTX660M 2GB =E2=80=A2 8.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz =E2=80=A2 15.6" FHD LED Glare Wedge 1920x1080 =E2=80=A2 Industry Standard Multi-touch 2 button touchpad =E2=80=A2 1TB 5400 rpm =E2=80=A2 Blu-ray/DVD-RW =E2=80=A2 6 Cell Li-Polymer =E2=80=A2 Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200BGN =E2=80=A2 Bluetooth Version 4.0 =E2=80=A2 Integrated HD Camera =E2=80=A2 HDMI (Out) --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 05:23:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064FFDBD for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 05:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ganbold@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800B68FC12 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 05:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id je9so764694bkc.13 for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:23:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HzIoCcK6TFQNa011mINfjnHvZiucJ7PIsgl0feahlIw=; b=ez16pP4u5O3DTb2uHQxQuO2tIqK+Fquhta6Glr+ChJ8fFrEIIQfNsE38fchU4wl+8W bfe1clf6kFgblq4r9s9ugllK5DJ4ViqlKK8/bp2trO9Tc/XIaZRn19reo5JHclslp1qr ibSp2gfoA7lCVeIjmwhiROxYpJrZIUsRF7+whDXm8r8jQnr9RvkBvMl5FLH+SqwHjBYI 00Rf1Xk0xInHbzjgcK6z+y4S14+XH7EfryuD4pLPhKQv+UNusME+9CAuKh+J4bIKYMh+ Ea8kSZ41qVmiv6HzA3dtTZgVgdCqr/5iWzgpEsVcRHKBnKmlK+GC+sswgw/jxjQQP0gJ 2KpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.125.137 with SMTP id gs9mr1761808bkc.22.1354425823142; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.52.69 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 21:23:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:23:43 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray From: Ganbold Tsagaankhuu To: mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 05:23:45 -0000 On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on the following: > > - is it a good FreeBSD development laptop? > - is wireless supported by FreeBSD? > - what about graphics / X ? > - suspend/resume? > > I'm looking to buy this in the next day or two so quick replies appreciat= ed. :) > > IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray > Part number: 59359513 > > =95 3rd Generation Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor( 2.40GHz 6MB) > =95 NVIDIA GeForce GTX660M 2GB > =95 8.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz > =95 15.6" FHD LED Glare Wedge 1920x1080 > =95 Industry Standard Multi-touch 2 button touchpad > =95 1TB 5400 rpm > =95 Blu-ray/DVD-RW > =95 6 Cell Li-Polymer > =95 Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200BGN Not sure about other specs, but I guess we don't have support for AP mode on Intel wireless. Better Atheros, Ralink etc. Correct me if I'm wrong here. Ganbold > =95 Bluetooth Version 4.0 > =95 Integrated HD Camera > =95 HDMI (Out) > > > -- > Eitan Adler > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 06:29:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6893969E for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 06:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EF68FC0C for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 06:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c13so1242362eek.13 for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:28:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1wcK4jqrtqRIXQ8CWBIfbTFMvz5L9TyNbNoXkU/NQ5Q=; b=eOZfRJecZFGlfU1X5pwfBbQ6ipPm2XL9exa/d3l5DrnNO0yVc+UJkBTXL2kr1hcDlk 5cPRFULTCTCwAkByaSBxDMBg7Q1Wcvu2EKSCtAPLrinmincOVoDS6VpZZS2ZK/x18KXO i+wB5mXLfUhnP2lCURgMDGszAeS8CZp+3IjURqIc90fjfgeug9dnSed94zNcVFMdW64m KNWxwMpSD5V11QUU+fdCZlqz90BWKTm8fXs4wSehSQeitnKcbD+j3TCyWkrhdnxz2Pft ttCiWUhSlgPIprX1ZKyfTBu2Azz8EtYGc/C5V0tlrI4ayuYzur7UFWYZ4dKGYPksAiPE Mxiw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.175.198 with SMTP id z46mr22971739eel.26.1354429732715; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.71.199 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:28:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:28:52 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray From: Kevin Oberman To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 06:29:00 -0000 On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on the following: > > - is it a good FreeBSD development laptop? > - is wireless supported by FreeBSD? > - what about graphics / X ? > - suspend/resume? > > I'm looking to buy this in the next day or two so quick replies appreciat= ed. :) > > IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray > Part number: 59359513 > > =E2=80=A2 3rd Generation Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor( 2.40GHz 6MB) > =E2=80=A2 NVIDIA GeForce GTX660M 2GB > =E2=80=A2 8.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz > =E2=80=A2 15.6" FHD LED Glare Wedge 1920x1080 > =E2=80=A2 Industry Standard Multi-touch 2 button touchpad > =E2=80=A2 1TB 5400 rpm > =E2=80=A2 Blu-ray/DVD-RW > =E2=80=A2 6 Cell Li-Polymer > =E2=80=A2 Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200BGN > =E2=80=A2 Bluetooth Version 4.0 > =E2=80=A2 Integrated HD Camera > =E2=80=A2 HDMI (Out) Is that CPU and IvyBridge? If so, thee have been some report of X issues. The NVidia is useless at this time. They only provide support for Windows and have officially stated that there will be no support for Linux or anything other than Windows, though some folks are working on support. Too bad it does not have a three-button mouse like the T-series, but it should work OK. The wireless should be fine. It's what I use and it's had very few problems, none serious. The camera on my T520 is not supported, so I would be dubious of it. HDMI should work. 1920x1080!!! I'm drooling a bit. --=20 R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 13:18:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61077BB3 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBD38FC08 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id go10so2127085lbb.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 05:18:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fseIAf2fTA+V73/j3qezwAIYFTUgJQekZCFr4hfYSB8=; b=GMPQnYee4BHvp/1VdYRXUSGUd63XPpSdadjWt5dCzxFGWoYdPHNjvLKBtUSpXxvaVy ZrP3tiT3s3V5H9vIZ28fN45NwCPZ47VorVfPrg6xI/niuxqSZUnYvzYzuwZHG5mDo6YS 35+gNR0BuzJRN2SJlu5pRwxIeEMqRzF6EPLjk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=fseIAf2fTA+V73/j3qezwAIYFTUgJQekZCFr4hfYSB8=; b=Nh+tlaEpRzba1UOaQnsJS0lZzDTY5lwXc73BQ/44nARkjqKSIGXe2VsKSHvBEd6Cxt 3EE4Ms19phQNgy33AkxhBYpamnr6U/jYoszYPvPyYilcnYwgjWp16qZFwu696ZEa7IsG 6AcEMNrndQ3cVPtR9w8lwhdOCKiGormPMGdjOu1Ww78my6CMYXI9Ej8H2DRSADgyq0UK /u+HwcdEasP05ka3Aj7ug5HhuTApm6dN2vD6l6cbJtUHG5bFfL6P+HFq8LEloe+BUgqS lfzfN0se/bUAI1NIc0p9KexuxeHBlYoPdLrhaRGjz3dbFsTUY0pXPh5YFRnoclTV2K6Q P5Tg== Received: by 10.112.101.135 with SMTP id fg7mr1277828lbb.87.1354454317390; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 05:18:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.154.168 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 05:18:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:18:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray To: Kevin Oberman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlj2WU9IduP/NFlQE8Hv0HqSryCKf0uN24QeN9XWNpPPiUU6QAikhKd+GQ+6UX7hnPcs/8i Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:18:39 -0000 On 2 December 2012 01:28, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> Does anyone have any comments on the following: >> >> - is it a good FreeBSD development laptop? >> - is wireless supported by FreeBSD? >> - what about graphics / X ? >> - suspend/resume? >> >> I'm looking to buy this in the next day or two so quick replies apprecia= ted. :) >> >> IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray >> Part number: 59359513 >> >> =E2=80=A2 3rd Generation Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor( 2.40GHz 6MB) >> =E2=80=A2 NVIDIA GeForce GTX660M 2GB >> =E2=80=A2 8.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz >> =E2=80=A2 15.6" FHD LED Glare Wedge 1920x1080 >> =E2=80=A2 Industry Standard Multi-touch 2 button touchpad >> =E2=80=A2 1TB 5400 rpm >> =E2=80=A2 Blu-ray/DVD-RW >> =E2=80=A2 6 Cell Li-Polymer >> =E2=80=A2 Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200BGN >> =E2=80=A2 Bluetooth Version 4.0 >> =E2=80=A2 Integrated HD Camera >> =E2=80=A2 HDMI (Out) > > Is that CPU and IvyBridge? If so, thee have been some report of X issues. > > The NVidia is useless at this time. They only provide support for > Windows and have officially stated that there will be no support for > Linux or anything other than Windows, though some folks are working on > support. so my only option would be VESA or would I be able to use Intel=C2=AE HD Graphics 4000? > Too bad it does not have a three-button mouse like the T-series, but > it should work OK. > > The wireless should be fine. It's what I use and it's had very few > problems, none serious. Good to know > The camera on my T520 is not supported, so I would be dubious of it. Okay. > HDMI should work. Okay. > 1920x1080!!! I'm drooling a bit. hehe. P.S. If there is a similar Lenovo laptop that works better please let me know. I'm not tied to this particular model just yet. I do need to make a decision soon though. --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 15:17:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BACBFD for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6A08FC0C for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qB2FH8xM092922; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:17:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qB2FH8De092919; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:17:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 08:17:08 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:17:08 -0700 (MST) Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:17:17 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2012, Eitan Adler wrote: > Does anyone have any comments on the following: > > - is it a good FreeBSD development laptop? > - is wireless supported by FreeBSD? > - what about graphics / X ? > - suspend/resume? Some BIOS concerns: Some Lenovo/Thinkpad BIOS implementations whitelist wireless cards, only working with "approved" wireless cards. That also makes it more difficult and expensive to replace the included card with an Atheros. Can the NVidia graphics be disabled in the BIOS so the Intel graphics can be used alone? Thinkpad 420/520 did not want to boot from GPT disks. The BIOS was probably at fault, misidentifying GPT partitioning. That may have been fixed by now. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 17:42:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BE979D for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304A28FC16 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id go10so2255281lbb.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:42:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LDWxgxlZbuaaU7kB3PovW2F7UsNwd5M/z3wDkP/P7oQ=; b=oJh1iausJF1x3/7ARcOFYgIDF02JaUP0UJFK9OydEjeBANIBOBuPu6elkh+HlIw1Tw Di6akCmtLq0R0Go0vkLNXGGaqOhhszx3h7aI5HMYrI53fC3T6EzsRaeIbDcEeovHDdgj KNAcRdFX2uTzieYtr/Oz+zCq0zxu52EdlToN0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=LDWxgxlZbuaaU7kB3PovW2F7UsNwd5M/z3wDkP/P7oQ=; b=jRRFGM4YK94Acwc6pKLWe0De+vWSWN0aPSc8Pc1dr1vdDkyNy1wML5Y9kHO0IEK/Ny BjZEhGlg2HeOSnu91nsGSCUL84nSXS7ti8+Pgu7kKs1+XeQB2xTK+HC9jOh6Agzqkmy2 6dLCemxc50B/efH2DlYjO1bovG1tMioa0HTd02ABcl6UIS7Ill0WfYqK/qV/TR7fTR7L oN5B5g+O9G+/siJfcQhdFIlyUxDUqhncsfkdTY6o3RSci7UZqxY0+IVB3DQaGndyZibX B67A/uMqlBmffsunzxpK7Cg5YcrRsD3TXbDI8LXiSbAZGdlBUVXhaDK+VCLODBC8jO9k wcTQ== Received: by 10.152.47.75 with SMTP id b11mr6965455lan.14.1354470137471; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:42:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.154.168 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 09:41:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:41:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray To: Kevin Oberman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk2rkf8q7rcSA6r9Ro4sNG55X29VBY1kHH9OOjgvaAU5CjLznQka1IQ9FhbFYBPsPMt28dR Cc: Alexey Dokuchaev , mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:42:20 -0000 On 2 December 2012 01:28, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> Does anyone have any comments on the following: >> >> - is it a good FreeBSD development laptop? >> - is wireless supported by FreeBSD? >> - what about graphics / X ? >> - suspend/resume? >> >> I'm looking to buy this in the next day or two so quick replies apprecia= ted. :) >> >> IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray >> Part number: 59359513 >> >> =E2=80=A2 3rd Generation Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor( 2.40GHz 6MB) >> =E2=80=A2 NVIDIA GeForce GTX660M 2GB >> =E2=80=A2 8.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz >> =E2=80=A2 15.6" FHD LED Glare Wedge 1920x1080 >> =E2=80=A2 Industry Standard Multi-touch 2 button touchpad >> =E2=80=A2 1TB 5400 rpm >> =E2=80=A2 Blu-ray/DVD-RW >> =E2=80=A2 6 Cell Li-Polymer >> =E2=80=A2 Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200BGN >> =E2=80=A2 Bluetooth Version 4.0 >> =E2=80=A2 Integrated HD Camera >> =E2=80=A2 HDMI (Out) > > Is that CPU and IvyBridge? If so, thee have been some report of X issues. > > The NVidia is useless at this time. They only provide support for > Windows and have officially stated that there will be no support for > Linux or anything other than Windows, though some folks are working on > support. http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-295.59-driver.html claims support for GeForce GTX 660M ? Should I still expect problems? --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 17:43:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367EE7E2 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:43:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F15A8FC12 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so2127699lah.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:43:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=rPYWpmB7kFG0K1wtvwLlrnVn2+uBCSCcFJno+Y3qAaY=; b=owGFvd9A/TgVMg/K1zBK9ZulEc2We47YRo7HrLMQpMFlrPE68QT7mf8F7ZymABf+kd p8mQwydeaa8u7wqoXX2EXG+farx+cA5qGig3OyAdZlBrWxVwpwWAXAzXZOco0p4ARlMs pNHJCiADu75Y6bsd/XWJ+hVWw4X6WUIyq3jS4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=rPYWpmB7kFG0K1wtvwLlrnVn2+uBCSCcFJno+Y3qAaY=; b=TXXljzI9hJffxkMeHOdDcOoVN0YJrlgxeJhmq0k8S11Y1Ug8IlKKO56DbEmH51+ATN VOb746Eky3g8FfbWwo4HoteiophjFIBeco5hv67ns9Inoo1SgZWqzSgm7yTAl3xii3cZ LINPuqtgBqhvuLb35H4M11Fwz6cCx/i4SaMMPULT7/F7Rgqm/O6XdF0xYb32EC6fP/RT a/wKlDAYhSdbwGfQdeOBvELngvJbPKBJSzsT8HtpMBkPLXW0wIuMT2/ViwE573LyK2oA +vjg+aUxBTJU3Dc/DAUoMxu09+Yrd3+LP5k/6KQy/dFXPFTjcCgcehigTbgDIPBTNiO6 3Z8A== Received: by 10.112.103.135 with SMTP id fw7mr3312054lbb.17.1354470192170; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:43:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.154.168 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 09:42:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:42:41 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlcLYKmV9iQ5TKJi8he/LszwNiQhJI7QxdFufYcQYGlb3DVrmRsv8RldPuiTc+lfv4MiywM Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:43:14 -0000 On 2 December 2012 10:17, Warren Block wrote: > Some Lenovo/Thinkpad BIOS implementations whitelist wireless cards, only > working with "approved" wireless cards. That also makes it more difficult > and expensive to replace the included card with an Atheros. This isn't critical *if and only if* the intel card works. should I expect problems? > Can the NVidia graphics be disabled in the BIOS so the Intel graphics can be > used alone? No clue - I don't own it ;( > Thinkpad 420/520 did not want to boot from GPT disks. The BIOS was probably > at fault, misidentifying GPT partitioning. That may have been fixed by now. I'll deal if I know this is coming :) -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 19:31:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92145E63 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:31:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438CF8FC15 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qB2JVjF4094183; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qB2JVjBK094180; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:31:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:31:45 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:31:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:31:48 -0000 On Sun, 2 Dec 2012, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 2 December 2012 10:17, Warren Block wrote: >> Some Lenovo/Thinkpad BIOS implementations whitelist wireless cards, only >> working with "approved" wireless cards. That also makes it more difficult >> and expensive to replace the included card with an Atheros. > > This isn't critical *if and only if* the intel card works. should I > expect problems? Only if you find out the included card will not do what you want. >> Can the NVidia graphics be disabled in the BIOS so the Intel graphics can be >> used alone? > > No clue - I don't own it ;( X will only work if the dual-graphics mode can be disabled. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 19:35:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93623FAF for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F088FC08 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id go10so2306974lbb.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:35:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=WfGERBcGWu9fKYsZPIdfXdD7eW1A6UR7Up+zZ9yXX6c=; b=lfg1fCmtY2TQKflspaZkZjpz8OyjFX/WSJJAhawoP0k7kXRVRpWpI/uRxXCCgJcgZK fyLk0+p8Jp3HFqhrtZ01iMbYyRnAAb5aL7FCWtmR8DOsl0nCVNkuAtU9LjeeQCYHCN1z gi34glLf3RCxKegxh5bvIinTGXMMX5+Tgbr8U= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=WfGERBcGWu9fKYsZPIdfXdD7eW1A6UR7Up+zZ9yXX6c=; b=UgtpXt7KqKB5jMwIAlkKTSAh7ZlmI5yrN4ec9tLOVB/pO0WpL1vHdMo5rEBM8iFbgv oQrM2WCZJGHl+A/degUn9vCUlwtSTWiyLJkF+EAx8nImZl7jflWa/xtz/fOU1fU1Uc/9 ms1cUdNdAUGXvSbkjvaD9y/TtwZM+cnECUN8vQmrLNKPWR3joX2DNlCkQzN1t1vDAY1o DxxZ/kK3ZYywMHBnGsngBfAQdMlgPhGiY/AmLKQOql1v/nmUKVLXJewJn7W1EEehvRKY rEKiyDzI1X6mreoSOEqmKHd1cGHreFO9HTP7xkfzmDLNkJOHToFsxG8w5aQLf8vLtDKX vpXA== Received: by 10.112.38.103 with SMTP id f7mr3184121lbk.120.1354476944436; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:35:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.154.168 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:35:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 14:35:13 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnB3cX5bexVfsiIVdaFoVR815ajNUsxHGnpQbngzdb6CAQ1v64XhuEl57V2RjHcFkdgvn9B Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:35:46 -0000 On 2 December 2012 14:31, Warren Block wrote: > X will only work if the dual-graphics mode can be disabled. And this is a BIOS feature which isn't guaranteed to exist? -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 20:08:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A45680 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D418FC13 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so2196137lah.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:08:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jGa7hu9bCXJd7lBEYWCVxKO2iDLuEvEhwf+5QmPy4NU=; b=twIDG+b0xn08ZPYVkDuCUOj3mUgdujmM7rMyuX8EJvO45oz5h3sJbPhkavGo/7V+ae Ng2XLWLRM0mCmFZsHNxt3/SYC9Id9dehiM8qn4ObpOBrZS28+hDYY1+qtAMXtjZhCvVw 7glsdki/IER4RksZ0Dt2baFb3UF4WE7Ckf8TLAFzMUpOBGZIa2Sgh2ZsYr66/8ermEV5 +fJsEhE5fF+5w+aPMO/RPSsKEvbQpNgKjyER7MGo+XrqBQFYaufBoXTx0HFPIRVaFQ9g PEq/x7TDoS+yuM1Lh16gone77SaeUNTiVkn8s12vrncA1Mk1pboB6vgbJ/b0cKJrJIqh UUAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.47.75 with SMTP id b11mr7220739lan.14.1354478921888; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.127.234 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:08:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:08:41 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray From: Kevin Oberman To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:08:43 -0000 On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 2 December 2012 14:31, Warren Block wrote: >> X will only work if the dual-graphics mode can be disabled. > > And this is a BIOS feature which isn't guaranteed to exist? It is not, but as far as I know, it is available on all prior ThinkPads. The problem is that the nVidia chip used is a supported one, but it lacks a frame buffer. Instead it uses the frame buffer on the Intel graphics part of the CPU. On Windows, it also only uses the nVidia GPU for some operations and the Intel for more basic ones where its integration into the CPU will result in optimum performance. The result is no support on anything but Windows for the nVidia.You can find more on this at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus/ The other big issue with the graphics is the lack of the ability to switch back to console mode. Once X is started, you have no ability to get a vty screen. This is especially annoying when something in the graphics (probably the KMS) glitches and the display goes bad. the only recovery is a re-boot. I keep hoping that console mode support will be written at some point, but it has not happened to this point and kib (who wrote the KMS code) has stated that he has no plans to write it. Lenovo does white-list wireless cards and the cards on it all have Lenovo specific PCI IDs. I bought a standard Intel 2200/BGN card and it would not work. I had to buy a Levovo branded card at four times the price. (My T520 came with a RealTek card.) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 20:29:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE967CE for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:29:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B948FC12 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so2206445lah.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:29:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=7JU1ZYHvcFTKmZL4+aH9Zq2h767rEptx6qm61u8Tipg=; b=fWF+mQ6gEBEQOenHBnYgk6XU/+jPsA0QicFZa6Y74PN9gYD1NUejyxM/o6eTxdhvGF 8Wv7TB/p4zlY1HUSUaGeADS6m+TyFjx9xXFuBePxAQ+W12Cz7lmNOgfIaQiRGVvvCd4i QdHCbU/8fOFxipHiR1cwoWnBSoCtPbPJWsgJ0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=7JU1ZYHvcFTKmZL4+aH9Zq2h767rEptx6qm61u8Tipg=; b=Ew3sQYfMcRw4oeaVoleXHPGdAuwyAYGJxGYr7Srz3aPs3V4vSfdEdkKBM83BghIme1 vxqwh7YD97akMwAEhkimR1OvA5jay8sy/NYRdcDeYBiEya+woZd0fykxNJWPb/YgURv4 xGRrfYHsMIxY+qSixC+oJk0E08iRFMGf8qUcXlKV3yjX2tC+z8kU+6rn5Ol6/oIkTyvY g862GxX6C5kb/6/EgxiLxUbFq4ktO7zc59QFR5oT4iYorSDn1cEH/4Zm0+AQshmhFJfe LCAwanBpoL7HasRYUVr0wqke+DOt7qVmskzlKFGmJfQIjVmRLU3y2fN14ZCQ+CDIvTCQ +Nbg== Received: by 10.152.105.33 with SMTP id gj1mr7358068lab.49.1354480143499; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:29:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.154.168 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:28:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:28:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray To: Kevin Oberman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkhA2MLsrstXa+P3mAAZUSkHErI5mzUoz9Hh+fQyhdo0idpdtcnZX7HVw0trCOEWmfggl0z Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:29:05 -0000 On 2 December 2012 15:08, Kevin Oberman wrote: > The problem is that the nVidia chip used is a supported one, but it > lacks a frame buffer. Instead it uses the frame buffer on the Intel > graphics part of the CPU. On Windows, it also only uses the nVidia GPU > for some operations and the Intel for more basic ones where its > integration into the CPU will result in optimum performance. The > result is no support on anything but Windows for the nVidia.You can > find more on this at: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus/ So my only option is to use the integrated intel gfx? > The other big issue with the graphics is the lack of the ability to > switch back to console mode. Once X is started, you have no ability to > get a vty screen. This is especially annoying when something in the > graphics (probably the KMS) glitches and the display goes bad. the > only recovery is a re-boot. I keep hoping that console mode support > will be written at some point, but it has not happened to this point > and kib (who wrote the KMS code) has stated that he has no plans to > write it. Annoying, but this happens so rarely I am not very concerned at this time. > > Lenovo does white-list wireless cards and the cards on it all have > Lenovo specific PCI IDs. I bought a standard Intel 2200/BGN card and > it would not work. I had to buy a Levovo branded card at four times > the price. (My T520 came with a RealTek card.) As long as the intel wireless works, I am not very concerned about this. My other option for roughly the same price is ThinkPad T530 Processor: Intel Core i7-3520M Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz) Display Type: 15.6" HD+ (1600 x 900) LED Backlit AntiGlare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready System Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 4000 Total Memory: 4 GB DDR3 - 1600MHz (1 DIMM) [ I'd likely need to upgrade this separately ] Pointing Device: UltraNav with Fingerprint Reader for Color Sensor, Smart Card Reader Camera: 720p HD Camera with Microphone Hard Drive: 500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm Optical Device: DVD Recordable 8x Max, Dual Layer, Ultrabay Enhanced System Expansion Slots: Express Card Slot & 4-in-1 Card Reader & Smart Card Reader Battery: 6 Cell Li-Ion TWL 70+ Power Cord: 90W AC Adapter - US (2pin) Bluetooth: Bluetooth 4.0 with Antenna Integrated WiFi Wireless LAN Adapters: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN I really need to make my decision today. I need a development laptop to replace my desktop. Graphics don't need to be great but should be non-VESA -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 21:12:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6483E33 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 21:12:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568708FC0C for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 21:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c13so1509783eek.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:12:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kJHGyICFv3xlytEm9ZQ7IHJF4gYWeU4jMl9raDOJyTQ=; b=Ln850aFFjqrOg0jIveaS/wMoY4P9FAEO2BbjwJzwlr/j2OjYLmK2e8a5pnLjGVsesv X0AvPGTaf8Rf4A3d93AsGkY64CffBPclSHHR7+ZAUsQG8UU43qhvmEu96tuTehIOEkZE aJXXsNVkdZqrGAuYxuMJt7mVLaICL7RB72nkt6Vq5U0e/jqKelApRNacwQsS4NwvKan3 E1SvZ6oHeIGN0XD03Gys+1OcIhAN9rr/Oj0kjo2wh+iX1MFXc87BbN1llkZ84/aTKWc9 Sxf/roCUaW+S8X9HokVNtCu6s+oidX1bvGcM7nS8j6BEM3zYk4ry95BWWoVwMgQkt+46 d24w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.184.134 with SMTP id s6mr28496610eem.43.1354482720950; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.170.193 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:12:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:12:00 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray From: Kevin Oberman To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 21:12:02 -0000 On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 2 December 2012 15:08, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> The problem is that the nVidia chip used is a supported one, but it >> lacks a frame buffer. Instead it uses the frame buffer on the Intel >> graphics part of the CPU. On Windows, it also only uses the nVidia GPU >> for some operations and the Intel for more basic ones where its >> integration into the CPU will result in optimum performance. The >> result is no support on anything but Windows for the nVidia.You can >> find more on this at: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus/ > > So my only option is to use the integrated intel gfx? Afraid so. But it works pretty well unless you are gaming or running something that really requires high 3D performance. >> The other big issue with the graphics is the lack of the ability to >> switch back to console mode. Once X is started, you have no ability to >> get a vty screen. This is especially annoying when something in the >> graphics (probably the KMS) glitches and the display goes bad. the >> only recovery is a re-boot. I keep hoping that console mode support >> will be written at some point, but it has not happened to this point >> and kib (who wrote the KMS code) has stated that he has no plans to >> write it. > > Annoying, but this happens so rarely I am not very concerned at this time. > >> >> Lenovo does white-list wireless cards and the cards on it all have >> Lenovo specific PCI IDs. I bought a standard Intel 2200/BGN card and >> it would not work. I had to buy a Levovo branded card at four times >> the price. (My T520 came with a RealTek card.) > > As long as the intel wireless works, I am not very concerned about this. > > My other option for roughly the same price is > > ThinkPad T530 > > Processor: Intel Core i7-3520M Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz) > Display Type: 15.6" HD+ (1600 x 900) LED Backlit AntiGlare Display, This is what i have on my T520. Works well with KMS. > Mobile Broadband Ready My cell phone acts as a hot spot, so I don't have this. > System Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 4000 Again, an Ivybridge. As I mentioned, there have been some issues reported with Mesa. It works, but some acceleration may not. > Total Memory: 4 GB DDR3 - 1600MHz (1 DIMM) [ I'd likely need to > upgrade this separately ] > Pointing Device: UltraNav with Fingerprint Reader for Color Sensor, I think you get 3-buttons with this. (My T520 does.) > Smart Card Reader Works fine. > Camera: 720p HD Camera with Microphone Again, the one on my T520 does not seem to work, but I have not spent any real time trying. > Hard Drive: 500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm > Optical Device: DVD Recordable 8x Max, Dual Layer, Ultrabay Enhanced > System Expansion Slots: Express Card Slot & 4-in-1 Card Reader & Smart > Card Reader > Battery: 6 Cell Li-Ion TWL 70+ > Power Cord: 90W AC Adapter - US (2pin) > Bluetooth: Bluetooth 4.0 with Antenna > Integrated WiFi Wireless LAN Adapters: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN Uses the IWN driver and should be fine. > I really need to make my decision today. I need a development laptop > to replace my desktop. Graphics don't need to be great but should be > non-VESA I might mention that the tray for a second hard drive is pretty cheap. I left Windows on the primary drive and bought 750G for the second. I formatted it GPT and put booteasy on the primary drive which bots fine. (GPT my work OK on a newer system, though.) Still, I like keeping Windows and FreeBSD on different drives. I use ntfs-3g and fusefs to mount the Windows partition were I use the fonts and media files. I really like having two spindles, but I'd love the higher-res display, too. the killer for me would be the UltraNav "mouse" as I hate touchpads. :-) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 22:06:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693D0A16 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 22:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5E98FC12 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 22:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so2253991lah.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:06:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=msanYYoUPy/DiK+V/QxwpJa+lHNLVF7xNO5kofWaO9g=; b=lvrZz5V5lUV4X+px5MqV0qJRhHC53Qos2WVlDMPgE24vHR3A66IRzrd0RP/vdStEhA A2vDaK3jE9GAPfp5WRBfbam2AV69dKP9N9Pw5XiUJOKYhseCQAJzrmBCYUtpNPzldRfQ zCTS1xGAx+uSwIUF5eV3p91NJmQj1REM/ucjM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=msanYYoUPy/DiK+V/QxwpJa+lHNLVF7xNO5kofWaO9g=; b=Q7fjmHuhu60WtZ5FZELq8Yt1SDRIgLsCCxTSRbwUM5vIcL+HIq9P2rslBZTeJcBFnb DjUcBGpgSDeX+8jfW1ops8bTxKzckkJrCuv/as8e38c9cGW1UFTv98ZQXCjdw63VFdFu 8FdsITQT1jwxoaRe3AROPp1xiVIzj+2ghegJBmnMnKbTgeIFoBSzGsWonNt8CkA4vdsr PGqUFu5Y1b+oAeiwBC0oGI4UY/lTeo3HcpKncGotmTszeC8Y3cF4dfg7deEI7LclICOI anUxXQ9S/Ufh1ha4h5MZCJ2PUYkm/5oYLTrPJ6y4ojID4KrJds4IvIhLsdJc6HF1rmgo tzOQ== Received: by 10.112.50.109 with SMTP id b13mr3491259lbo.8.1354486008328; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:06:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.154.168 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 14:06:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:06:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray To: Kevin Oberman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlH4Yt05zEGtWIMFUM+LtG0XNzOlS71Wr67/6uQB0UQqn8fnfVjdNMejGphRPLhaJvhJX8v Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 22:06:50 -0000 On 2 December 2012 15:08, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> On 2 December 2012 14:31, Warren Block wrote: >>> X will only work if the dual-graphics mode can be disabled. >> >> And this is a BIOS feature which isn't guaranteed to exist? > > It is not, but as far as I know, it is available on all prior ThinkPads. I've been told this can't be disabled on newer nvidia cards so now this isn't an option anymore. Now I'm just looking for a generic laptop with - working wifi - working Xorg w/ non VESA graphics - useful for development (8GB+ ram, core i5+) -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 22:16:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE831DEC for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 22:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552CB8FC14 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 22:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qB2MFx9t095000; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:15:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qB2MFwp6094997; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:15:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:15:58 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Kevin Oberman Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:15:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: Eitan Adler , mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 22:16:01 -0000 On Sun, 2 Dec 2012, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> On 2 December 2012 14:31, Warren Block wrote: >>> X will only work if the dual-graphics mode can be disabled. >> >> And this is a BIOS feature which isn't guaranteed to exist? > > It is not, but as far as I know, it is available on all prior ThinkPads. Definitely the kind of thing a person wants to check before buying. > The problem is that the nVidia chip used is a supported one, but it > lacks a frame buffer. Instead it uses the frame buffer on the Intel > graphics part of the CPU. On Windows, it also only uses the nVidia GPU > for some operations and the Intel for more basic ones where its > integration into the CPU will result in optimum performance. The > result is no support on anything but Windows for the nVidia.You can > find more on this at: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus/ > > The other big issue with the graphics is the lack of the ability to > switch back to console mode. Once X is started, you have no ability to > get a vty screen. This is especially annoying when something in the > graphics (probably the KMS) glitches and the display goes bad. the > only recovery is a re-boot. I keep hoping that console mode support > will be written at some point, but it has not happened to this point > and kib (who wrote the KMS code) has stated that he has no plans to > write it. I thought that was all that was left to be done to finish the Intel KMS support, and was part of the plan. > Lenovo does white-list wireless cards and the cards on it all have > Lenovo specific PCI IDs. I bought a standard Intel 2200/BGN card and > it would not work. I had to buy a Levovo branded card at four times > the price. (My T520 came with a RealTek card.) Some people have patched the BIOS, replacing one of the allowed card IDs with that of the new card. On the older Thinkpads with mini-PCI slots, it was possible to tape over one of the fingers, and the card would work but with some disadvantages (power management, AFAIR). From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 23:18:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC39AF6 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 23:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdysonsmith@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65728FC0C for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 23:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hj13so729730wib.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:18:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ha9aCMLvtSSwzQmocHCKFj9PaBFwGVjx1i79BIrpX6k=; b=pSpxH58ie+27YjR1o4jJPhx68dpVQGEpQhTnHDR8kwBRVll9IcrQflUnfXLNk+CfeA zRrRMM6Cp6cVUhBj6l6nTvmB0JfiWxkrQC7Bpx0VCHx3UpRRwNWDXU6aGizFO+2MG+/5 PxF15l8LIA3eQvNw8GxDuJduHJjo/zCifmS6fHOK/xTzJbCDxHxd9TLlmlVBxElJRgBB agLjUHznzyYxZgJVlNk2YzXGmAhbb+QIAR0p8GAm5EE6IIJXOCZzZoVTK6n+FRVZJdgF yXtDR8O0uLUKjugYjXg7+aQhGASyCaHbZZu0n4Fqp3vVL3XJ4qqOiV+NuECOdg82klUm LwAA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.16 with SMTP id j16mr2542949wea.42.1354490280497; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.8 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:18:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray From: Bridger Dyson-Smith To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:18:07 -0000 On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 2 December 2012 15:08, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Eitan Adler > wrote: > >> On 2 December 2012 14:31, Warren Block wrote: > >>> X will only work if the dual-graphics mode can be disabled. > >> > >> And this is a BIOS feature which isn't guaranteed to exist? > > > > It is not, but as far as I know, it is available on all prior ThinkPads. > > I've been told this can't be disabled on newer nvidia cards so now > this isn't an option anymore. > > Now I'm just looking for a generic laptop with > > - working wifi > - working Xorg w/ non VESA graphics > - useful for development (8GB+ ram, core i5+) > > Have you considered a slightly older model of Thinkpad? Finding the processor model you want, and a limit of 8GB RAM (possibly) may make this not to your liking. Older X* and T* models seem to be well represented on Ebay, & Thinkwiki [1] has helped me identify peculiarities from model to model. If you want new hardware, have you considered ZaReason or System76? While Linux-centric, they at least seem to combine hardware with OS in mind. I'm sorry that I don't have a specific model to recommend - personally, I would love to be able to find a lightly used Thinkpad X201s but there don't seem to be any available. I'll make do with this old X61. -- > Eitan Adler Good luck! Bridger From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 2 23:19:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A351B3B for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 23:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdysonsmith@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D448FC17 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 23:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hm9so798548wib.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ErDkvlS66qP14KMHHuBUVCc3viugxHPVu1o/HkiQTD0=; b=WznymV6gy2Mzf3uYWpFCqBnK6R6xgqstul/idYi3VeFT7lJ1017OtdSP/nSzQyWWx/ LHLJi9VpV0YG2JMZBAFwaO8sCSN81Khd6ZNtx+MjPYBJjR/571TI/RK8a3Iqw3cNl+QI oOvw/sijfmYrpAPHdSQp+UccIjS+iidukzbL8sMANTrzzgChA49zwEQvdMpVv7JnDeCx ow7hz6h/pWvnftsdMQiRIaW0mYzlL2x/VNkKEf6ZxBs1JikjWkDJR/bCsN6gy2Xva4hT UGyzFTIL23RFpK5wOo3lOPo5xA+8Xfk/GXyHnhaO44w41AFJVEXIbaFR7j9TrnwgQvyt pIjg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.16 with SMTP id j16mr2543580wea.42.1354490359446; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.54.8 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:19:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray From: Bridger Dyson-Smith To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:19:26 -0000 Apologies - I forgot the (probably well-known & obvious) link. Thinkwiki: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Bridger Dyson-Smith wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > >> On 2 December 2012 15:08, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Eitan Adler >> wrote: >> >> On 2 December 2012 14:31, Warren Block wrote: >> >>> X will only work if the dual-graphics mode can be disabled. >> >> >> >> And this is a BIOS feature which isn't guaranteed to exist? >> > >> > It is not, but as far as I know, it is available on all prior ThinkPads. >> >> I've been told this can't be disabled on newer nvidia cards so now >> this isn't an option anymore. >> >> Now I'm just looking for a generic laptop with >> >> - working wifi >> - working Xorg w/ non VESA graphics >> - useful for development (8GB+ ram, core i5+) >> >> Have you considered a slightly older model of Thinkpad? Finding the > processor model you want, and a limit of 8GB RAM (possibly) may make this > not to your liking. Older X* and T* models seem to be well represented on > Ebay, & Thinkwiki [1] has helped me identify peculiarities from model to > model. > > If you want new hardware, have you considered ZaReason or System76? While > Linux-centric, they at least seem to combine hardware with OS in mind. > > I'm sorry that I don't have a specific model to recommend - personally, I > would love to be able to find a lightly used Thinkpad X201s but there don't > seem to be any available. I'll make do with this old X61. > > > -- >> Eitan Adler > > > Good luck! > Bridger > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 01:25:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2286E5CE for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 01:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEB78FC08 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 01:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c13so1575401eek.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:25:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=u+IDWhj27Vn/S7alNzUoYEv6+RCDzvEBnRkdhPOdIkA=; b=O1upLMbQZKMzotEmlGUCAXMS+guWCwjWr68bKMz9pKt6z1PzhltzlZGDdSGEEBsHgA zGOP9iw67EZ0vqKBkRpcnUrwxtdQWzxeQn+cnXTYb43p/Gvgk3uPFZDD2qovXMOClB+x 3d86t780ByzrDGHPbL+ABnKCkzOA76DRYihMcLlEK169v4wa00MB15LTX3WV6pI0Fcnp j8EYw576xK8RBNrUyw4s24oOICnRU7ROb8RggK6wP0IlXhU3OusVeHX+WI0bJEOB4rKP Wk6OgGjfej9N/BMe2SBOVQuLE8nv2IhMcE/Serjy3pGbGqQ+ESkyVSIbqbD6MGDNfBwB hw2g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.175.198 with SMTP id z46mr30445949eel.26.1354497932530; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.170.193 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:25:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:25:32 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray From: Kevin Oberman To: Bridger Dyson-Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Eitan Adler , mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 01:25:34 -0000 On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Bridger Dyson-Smith wrote: > Apologies - I forgot the (probably well-known & obvious) link. > > Thinkwiki: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki Unfortunately there are no entries for the latest systems and those are what Eitan is looking at. I should also mention that the T530 is available without the nVidia graphics. It should be fine with Intel KMS. I also see that a 1920x1180 display is an option. Finally, the T-Series clearly states that they ar Optimus graphics (fi they are using nVidia), but the T580 does not mention the Optimus at all. Nore does it mention Intel 4000HD graphics. If they are NOT Optimus, they shuold be supported by the nVidia blob. I have found Lenovo sales support very good at clarifying these issues. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 01:31:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30A569D for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 01:31:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EB68FC12 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 01:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id go10so2470349lbb.13 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:31:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=HhjyOI/kVN+7TqJGLiW3t1z/ZaA6f/Wk+5NR3omjhHg=; b=fRUfa5AHWnZEcsHqcxz+g1KPCJQmVzqjlAcRMijdO/p+fILxLbN/ZdQkAAhkqK55K4 Xx5CO81u0WIibzKsaoC+XrDlTmbr8Cb5vSSPvyjXL03XPdtJ23/26VMLhhTfAoOp8pHD U9hgXXwAQKfbK+bAj8yk0RjOnXR4U6cJhpYFU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=HhjyOI/kVN+7TqJGLiW3t1z/ZaA6f/Wk+5NR3omjhHg=; b=DlJUQ/ilzYgYDVjIrATvbDPL2/9u8fkEnaV8Ni+17RWYQeN76i7mzx8bJRJzX10+k1 r2JZ0tqj3SKNlX3hUhuWxIRfhTeCLuDNbpZd9UoIyfSnBYpGvmrNOM1Vxj646+uqL5po ynMiTgH2qPz9fWT5AaM34rJyl135j9DlfZqjwYf+GlVWSfpgpr0ndvQ03ps0p+UA2UgR ud6UxZomlnZy4iQYrRugICAurUGc8jMnYlcqBLDx+ju6Cj760HJs3zxEHQhXXEASfeVt kkBsmNGSvxHksHPBcVbT/NcoFszYVJVyn7i62puQ3hNquIUT9gnCuViSfEyaBTI3cM85 5Mhw== Received: by 10.152.110.234 with SMTP id id10mr7906110lab.15.1354498313464; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:31:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.154.168 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:31:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray To: Kevin Oberman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnh7gDNWGFWrFCjhNtR8eYWYpCEIwDTEed/HBRRHMpEvtDK3/2PjoNJqCf+EL/zb3P/X8jA Cc: Bridger Dyson-Smith , mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 01:31:55 -0000 On 2 December 2012 20:25, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Bridger Dyson-Smith > wrote: >> Apologies - I forgot the (probably well-known & obvious) link. >> >> Thinkwiki: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki > > Unfortunately there are no entries for the latest systems and those > are what Eitan is looking at. Figured I'd follow up here: I decided against these particular systems. They both have an unfortunate choice of graphics cards, and I've been told that modern optimus cards can not have this feature disabled. Shopping for laptops for a FreeBSD system is very painful. I wish we could be past this point of worrying about "is this hardware supported." That said, I'll likely send a more general email to this list with some "requirements" and a request for suggestions some time soon. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 11:44:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D00526 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tevans.uk@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67D58FC12 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so2004581vba.13 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 03:44:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lq5W2B+q8MZY5aQTRyzh/kS5Mf9/ev0UzUr+Q3F5T/g=; b=nL+7yuS2PRCTPmkGGld3Cui9/a8UPEO0/m0ZpdGz92KyZbwE04+RhklxZJA91CGi62 ta9zXuM2vJarwpYHTXAyETtthfrQx8NJcW6cT1I4x2yymvHxM8iS2MOyGy/znD6cknQP tt+LvCkNFg8VB4GZ7d0iA9AAo32fydSHegPqC5U1jHMzNv6dP5dduDf3XlgT+Mdj73Va X6dAC21kzk4d/PBExFTlqqBTlGf025BDGv1yut4wsaHwD5l1Phu6f8pHHC18L16mpScD iI6Y7UL5kHnrIIfkXCkSEccLiVZkcuPmLmbKCxS+6aHjLbkK04IhNFfLx4FZYkk0rmex yyZg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.221.5 with SMTP id ia5mr8212194vcb.65.1354535063918; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 03:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.233.39 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 03:44:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:44:23 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray From: Tom Evans To: Eitan Adler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:44:25 -0000 On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 2 December 2012 01:28, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Eitan Adler wrote= : >>> Does anyone have any comments on the following: >>> >>> - is it a good FreeBSD development laptop? >>> - is wireless supported by FreeBSD? >>> - what about graphics / X ? >>> - suspend/resume? >>> >>> I'm looking to buy this in the next day or two so quick replies appreci= ated. :) >>> >>> IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray >>> Part number: 59359513 >>> >>> =E2=80=A2 3rd Generation Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor( 2.40GHz 6MB) >>> =E2=80=A2 NVIDIA GeForce GTX660M 2GB >>> =E2=80=A2 8.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz >>> =E2=80=A2 15.6" FHD LED Glare Wedge 1920x1080 >>> =E2=80=A2 Industry Standard Multi-touch 2 button touchpad >>> =E2=80=A2 1TB 5400 rpm >>> =E2=80=A2 Blu-ray/DVD-RW >>> =E2=80=A2 6 Cell Li-Polymer >>> =E2=80=A2 Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200BGN >>> =E2=80=A2 Bluetooth Version 4.0 >>> =E2=80=A2 Integrated HD Camera >>> =E2=80=A2 HDMI (Out) >> >> Is that CPU and IvyBridge? If so, thee have been some report of X issues= . >> >> The NVidia is useless at this time. They only provide support for >> Windows and have officially stated that there will be no support for >> Linux or anything other than Windows, though some folks are working on >> support. > > http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-295.59-driver.html > > claims support for GeForce GTX 660M ? > > Should I still expect problems? > If it is configured for Optimus you would have problems. If it is a standalone card, then it will be fine. Check with the manufacturer. 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