From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 23 07:12:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A66C3C9 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F358FC0C for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so7289787lah.13 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 23:12:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=CC93VmAhHvJMMO6TOgAEMx6OmoYStRQ8u6k31TazAi4=; b=NGADcEpeAQa3jOMhHPG4lNexOlIQVtVIu/PhF4tWGVhx2W1APb6V5+hMvMEGuR6u9Z TxBvj5O/iMvvtYORETLHRGKSySho51Q7X7QBf8bLrOzRXank5ccZsITgKj4tShd6YgiV TXDh+Sqni+slRPTOyBsif/xNqmW5BcHKTAl2o= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=CC93VmAhHvJMMO6TOgAEMx6OmoYStRQ8u6k31TazAi4=; b=gc/JLykCB3DmJz5alAUJI59yR2IgGqh4B9okt0yWiFtzs+aDD9ECrhGX8WTNu2S7Wt JokxgQYVbjHSSQFazwL7rTfj1YSXnnr5mfDFY5MoXGG9mz9bKGnkP2BIOcwwOTVAhiNU NWAjR6XjWcYWh7el8ikOi4BfDxA437paKfMexCpnTf6XVsl4e51Es5I7S3mxgTVnJ6d5 0O+OCMkwORv5cnbvvOOVJ84i6UI63WaNJgHq35I4mxkxHD5BVxqEWj6n0tfaJTMQLaMz S3xaG6nxcyNl7VVbnQ1uJ1rufy12cH7EQRRNL114IsxBMsN3jAjqClBj122QozuOpMyl 2hFQ== Received: by 10.112.29.104 with SMTP id j8mr7434023lbh.0.1356246749632; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 23:12:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.162.100 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Dec 2012 23:11:59 -0800 (PST) From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: getting a laptop - take 2 To: mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmnl/5qhsmqRoTwFHHNxLI6vFx8IVFcfGY6nkTveqITm5bBQp0XPfB76Pmdl4T1VfO83c6u X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:12:31 -0000 Hey all, After my last attempt at purchasing a FreeBSD development laptop failed (the IdeaPad thread) I still need a laptop. I'm going to try something different this time - provide just the requirements and ask for specific models. Note that I am looking for a *development laptop* - something for me to use to continue hacking on FreeBSD. The goal is to replace my desktop for most work. Needs: - Intel core i5+ - support for 8GB+ memory (doesn't have to come with it) - Wireless must function on FreeBSD - X must function with better-than-VESA graphics - 13" screen - 320GB+ HDD Wants: - 8GB+ memory (coming with it) - larger screen is better - 500GB+ HDD - good resolution of the monitor - ability to upgrade HDD / add a new one in the side slot. Don't care: - weight - suspend/resume functioning - being able to switch to VTYs after starting X (i.e., intel KMS is likely fine) - optical drive - SSD -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 23 10:57:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1216EB50 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:57:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930638FC0A for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.16.111] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TmhO3-0008Sy-2g; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:58:23 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qBN8wMfJ002248; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:58:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id qBN8wL11002247; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:58:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:58:21 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: getting a laptop - take 2 Message-ID: <20121223085821.GA2206@tinyCurrent> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT r214444 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 93.104.16.111 Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:57:34 -0000 El día Sunday, December 23, 2012 a las 02:11:59AM -0500, Eitan Adler escribió: > Hey all, > > After my last attempt at purchasing a FreeBSD development laptop > failed (the IdeaPad thread) I still need a laptop. I'm going to try > something different this time - provide just the requirements and ask > for specific models. > > Note that I am looking for a *development laptop* - something for me > to use to continue hacking on FreeBSD. The goal is to replace my > desktop for most work. > > Needs: > > - Intel core i5+ > - support for 8GB+ memory (doesn't have to come with it) > - Wireless must function on FreeBSD > - X must function with better-than-VESA graphics > - 13" screen > - 320GB+ HDD >... Hello, I'm running FreeBSD on laptops since 2.2.5 in the 90 of last century and every laptop is a new challenge in some areas, esp. X11 and nowadays the Wifi chips; but for developers (like you) it was always somehow solveable, for example using NDIS if the Wifi is not supported; having said this, the best option is to find a reseller who lets you boot the laptop with some FreeBSD or Linux live-CD to check what chips are detected; or to buy something which fits your needs concerning memory, disk and screen size, and see how to solve the problems. Good luck matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 23 11:13:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9199AC89 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5328A8FC0A for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:13:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=hXtXh+vl2TG12i19gPjldXWmhCIotrxLnn441uLSYIw=; b=y7aZW5GtJK4qF5i7pZmITIRQpz56noGBWkem6tYl+BDCG8S4dR2ZXb7Hx5DI/qG1ue1OoWUmCxNKI+AW+r+ynF47LpE2igC+oHRu/4D+7oYedXBALKDxLaGwUhviMwgG; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=49789 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1TmjUM-001dsP-UX; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 04:13:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:13:00 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: getting a laptop - take 2 Message-ID: <20121223181300.4c64820c@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:13:10 -0000 Hi, On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:11:59 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: > After my last attempt at purchasing a FreeBSD development laptop > failed (the IdeaPad thread) I still need a laptop. I'm going to try > something different this time - provide just the requirements and ask > for specific models. > > Note that I am looking for a *development laptop* - something for me > to use to continue hacking on FreeBSD. The goal is to replace my > desktop for most work. are you sure here? > > Needs: > > - Intel core i5+ > - support for 8GB+ memory (doesn't have to come with it) > - Wireless must function on FreeBSD > - X must function with better-than-VESA graphics > - 13" screen > - 320GB+ HDD Take a look at Lenovo's T and X series. You should only know that at least for the X series, only disks with a height of 7mm will fit. So, 500GB is currently the maximum. > > Wants: > > - 8GB+ memory (coming with it) 16GB should be possible for most models which will include some speed improvements. At least is this what people say. I have onloy 8GB. > - larger screen is better T series? > - 500GB+ HDD > - good resolution of the monitor > - ability to upgrade HDD / add a new one in the side slot. X series has only one. > > Don't care: > - weight T series. > - suspend/resume functioning > - being able to switch to VTYs after starting X (i.e., intel KMS is > likely fine) Isn't this the standard on notebooks with the i5? > - optical drive > - SSD > I work currently with the X220. You should also check the keyboard. The X220 has still the old style but the new X230 comes with these strange 'islands'. It is not as bad as I thought but I still prefer the old style keyboards. If you do not mind having only the pad, you could check the Fujitsu LifeBooks. They are good pieces of hardware but be real careful with the LCD. Erich From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 23 19:16:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A5472 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238DA8FC0A for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id z14so7736404lag.16 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:16:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4XZ8z4wb+FAqVeHgg3gKy3GlieKEx4Ku5n1Bw6wLW0s=; b=RZZK0DApo20VX6bau6fBkFMUH8rYvysmdtSnzfaSh5vjrfUtlA/MfLT+ris/T8D2Kf AP3zCkKDT4ED9vGj2l5I2Q5YTBiO6Ua7SjWw1TYafcxujtVoOlmNdNyqBAJWalk5mGKE s8ZIM5FjUYH9cs5YyC+G1l1cggvVk7epo24BI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=4XZ8z4wb+FAqVeHgg3gKy3GlieKEx4Ku5n1Bw6wLW0s=; b=BgtkFpmFAB9JzBSXNeVmIIlDIzzylPbmqkzDnTYnXw7emfZktTTgDc/kCHR+vi9wp+ i2qAvgHfZgzaT2OonW3h31+SxV5O8wGfEQ4Tea3ztUjWvndOz7PIHRccD8vzKnmg7YAg PcXBzfFfZdMZ4BkA50TXarOHrt0L/im2sLObJCQiM8eIDWJso5GD63zraKkOqCPmxELR yxPylxmciv79W2+qodPsLWgweV99X35Yin3Oyo8gSJYT682rM2l9+lJYC8N6s7MfxLaI PkXu2PDHZQU6pH/Sb+9a5rIfvRxNaTfJ/fWFp/k7J4pvgmlJ+1cvGV5lIic4qNmySu5h Ip0A== Received: by 10.112.37.40 with SMTP id v8mr7870367lbj.112.1356290184685; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:16:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.162.100 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:15:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121223181300.4c64820c@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20121223181300.4c64820c@X220.ovitrap.com> From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:15:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: getting a laptop - take 2 To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk1boNYhgcxFjpxOPltnLmHB+lNWRgIMwEK6mGV2SnVfydoM1TRcKug9mDbn3z5rr8ShDHk Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 19:16:26 -0000 On 23 December 2012 06:13, Erich Dollansky wr= ote: > Hi, >> Note that I am looking for a *development laptop* - something for me >> to use to continue hacking on FreeBSD. The goal is to replace my >> desktop for most work. > > are you sure here? Yes. I move around too much to make it feasible to take my desktop. > Take a look at Lenovo's T and X series. You should only know that at > least for the X series, only disks with a height of 7mm will fit. So, > 500GB is currently the maximum. It seems that the T series comes with "VIDIA=C2=AE NVS=E2=84=A2 5200M graph= ics with Optimus=E2=84=A2 Technology". >From the last thread I understand that this is useless? ... > I work currently with the X220. > > You should also check the keyboard. The X220 has still the old style > but the new X230 comes with these strange 'islands'. It is not as bad > as I thought but I still prefer the old style keyboards. Okay. > If you do not mind having only the pad, you could check the Fujitsu > LifeBooks. They are good pieces of hardware but be real careful with > the LCD. I'll look at these too. --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 24 22:01:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623C414F for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C839D8FC0A for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id r15so8841918lag.8 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:01:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eFrQdw4IzV6It9pOC/GiZBqQWn+a06nWSGJZRnV2XlU=; b=Hn160fMhR+FJGkSxYvhphwWEyj8FSeGuJyTIUJ0mJv+zONfsN/Lbcl/MnJVDWtSnWI Ytzb+ylZ0DJfEDqgZRIVsP3DBNduj9tltBM8yth2ARUOxk0VmKn6xtzIjK1PWWE0qNop 4yNX6jmXwgBGsQCJhM5RDq0Brar4M5brDM8gQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=eFrQdw4IzV6It9pOC/GiZBqQWn+a06nWSGJZRnV2XlU=; b=gmHZhPuo7HLlRAEwfgOTumc4Elo/zsVQnIisAWjJsFzBWSVM1437KEGQSTY0y7GP8x NWcBtAewms2xxxcBETK04/zE5thF6cKx/zZ3Duw8a25NQv/l/k/orUSiuQJoCNtopvv4 gzP+465zaBnTwjx6wkHubgSg8BR+SPZEGYLChTiq3UurRu/JdAxJHTaGFT7BM7+2c7PO VaoU94RYp6qBTp/KlJ1QeAlgdFg4Bq884RkBtSICxvzfWh16Qf9AT0+u2AcxnYDxJz4U 1vHKoNjdOvqsC+nicSVoN7CtJwxXyVV0qxatuHhWTNIx1lRq482YLaYP+oCPVOCb3UgC ggIA== Received: by 10.152.144.130 with SMTP id sm2mr21290433lab.49.1356386497322; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:01:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.162.100 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:01:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Eitan Adler Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray To: Tom Evans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnTXvKCf/gf/dsty2JC/b2I53U1VNP9xzt2+MiRCNwf28fx2oQ9BWomEqXrSMVQje5AX0g6 Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:01:39 -0000 On 3 December 2012 06:44, Tom Evans wrote: > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> On 2 December 2012 01:28, Kevin Oberman wrote: >>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Eitan Adler wrot= e: >>>> Does anyone have any comments on the following: >>>> >>>> - is it a good FreeBSD development laptop? >>>> - is wireless supported by FreeBSD? >>>> - what about graphics / X ? >>>> - suspend/resume? >>>> >>>> I'm looking to buy this in the next day or two so quick replies apprec= iated. :) >>>> >>>> IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray >>>> Part number: 59359513 >>>> >>>> =E2=80=A2 3rd Generation Intel Core i7-3630QM Processor( 2.40GHz 6MB) >>>> =E2=80=A2 NVIDIA GeForce GTX660M 2GB >>>> =E2=80=A2 8.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz >>>> =E2=80=A2 15.6" FHD LED Glare Wedge 1920x1080 >>>> =E2=80=A2 Industry Standard Multi-touch 2 button touchpad >>>> =E2=80=A2 1TB 5400 rpm >>>> =E2=80=A2 Blu-ray/DVD-RW >>>> =E2=80=A2 6 Cell Li-Polymer >>>> =E2=80=A2 Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200BGN >>>> =E2=80=A2 Bluetooth Version 4.0 >>>> =E2=80=A2 Integrated HD Camera >>>> =E2=80=A2 HDMI (Out) >>> >>> Is that CPU and IvyBridge? If so, thee have been some report of X issue= s. >>> >>> The NVidia is useless at this time. They only provide support for >>> Windows and have officially stated that there will be no support for >>> Linux or anything other than Windows, though some folks are working on >>> support. >> >> http://www.nvidia.com/object/freebsd-x86-295.59-driver.html >> >> claims support for GeForce GTX 660M ? >> >> Should I still expect problems? >> > > If it is configured for Optimus you would have problems. If it is a > standalone card, then it will be fine. Check with the manufacturer. I finally did so. It turns out I was mislead and the nvidia card *can* be disabled. My only remaining concern between the T530 and Y580 is the intel nic. The T-series was highly recommend but for similar parts the latter is much cheaper. --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 26 05:27:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002013AA for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A422D8FC0A for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBQ5R0Mc055560; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:27:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qBQ5R0ZI055557; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:27:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:27:00 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: IdeaPad Y580 Laptop - 59359513 - Dawn Gray In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:27:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: Tom Evans , mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:27:04 -0000 On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Eitan Adler wrote: >> If it is configured for Optimus you would have problems. If it is a >> standalone card, then it will be fine. Check with the manufacturer. > > I finally did so. It turns out I was mislead and the nvidia card > *can* be disabled. My only remaining concern between the T530 and Y580 > is the intel nic. The T-series was highly recommend but for similar > parts the latter is much cheaper. Keep in mind that Lenovo has continued the IBM tradition of branding their wireless cards and making sure the BIOS will not work with unbranded cards. So if you wanted to change to say, an Atheros card, you'd have to find one that is Lenovo branded. Oh, and also some of the Lenovo machines don't want to boot from GPT-formatted disks. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 26 11:18:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA399B3 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) Received: from vps.rulingia.com (host-122-100-2-194.octopus.com.au [122.100.2.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA25A8FC0A for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.rulingia.com (c220-239-254-207.belrs5.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.254.207]) by vps.rulingia.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBQBIA37001176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:18:11 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.rulingia.com (localhost.rulingia.com [127.0.0.1]) by server.rulingia.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBQBI5CX096794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:18:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.rulingia.com) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.rulingia.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qBQBI2VH096790; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:18:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:18:02 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Eitan Adler Subject: Re: getting a laptop - take 2 Message-ID: <20121226111802.GA82100@server.rulingia.com> References: <20121223181300.4c64820c@X220.ovitrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Erich Dollansky , mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:18:30 -0000 --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2012-Dec-23 14:15:54 -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: >> Take a look at Lenovo's T and X series. You should only know that at >> least for the X series, only disks with a height of 7mm will fit. So, >> 500GB is currently the maximum. > >It seems that the T series comes with "VIDIA=C2=AE NVS=E2=84=A2 5200M grap= hics with >Optimus=E2=84=A2 Technology". I have a T420s (running Linux for $work) and you can switch between the integrated (Intel), nvidia & Optimus in the BIOS. FreeBSD should support either of the first two options (though you'll lose VTYs when you use KMS to support the Intel graphics). --=20 Peter Jeremy --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlDa3OoACgkQ/opHv/APuIerXgCfTqRhrRyVN5mk4pSA/tc/7u5b fdIAn1kAnjkbqq587LWRAixDJxjFdrzU =Bhd2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 26 11:38:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973E4A8C for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:38:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909E18FC08 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id qBQBbZQx033574; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:37:35 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:37:34 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: getting a laptop - take 2 In-Reply-To: <20121226111802.GA82100@server.rulingia.com> Message-ID: <20121226223332.U30575@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20121223181300.4c64820c@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121226111802.GA82100@server.rulingia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-2117131183-1356521854=:30575" Cc: Eitan Adler , Erich Dollansky , mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:38:01 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-2117131183-1356521854=:30575 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:18:02 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2012-Dec-23 14:15:54 -0500, Eitan Adler wrote: > >> Take a look at Lenovo's T and X series. You should only know that at > >> least for the X series, only disks with a height of 7mm will fit. So, > >> 500GB is currently the maximum. That's good to know. > >It seems that the T series comes with "VIDIA® NVSÿÿ 5200M graphics with > >Optimusÿÿ Technology". > > I have a T420s (running Linux for $work) and you can switch between > the integrated (Intel), nvidia & Optimus in the BIOS. FreeBSD should > support either of the first two options (though you'll lose VTYs when > you use KMS to support the Intel graphics). Is this particular bug/regression being worked on, do you know? It's seeming to be longstanding. Does it only affect (some particular?) Intel graphics chips/drivers? thanks, Ian --0-2117131183-1356521854=:30575-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 26 12:25:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55736244 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158708FC13 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:25:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=LYJhsUM2KFkyA2sL3FuGRj2jUQwr5cjB0hVeooeRhgs=; b=my7jWircPgt7tVlBk62uY/hAUSsJQoevczTFD+jIzgTK5aiD52KMbzRDAKkbQBio19gukfE/MtsZIgZGMY69JW/IKYAqvqlBojkW1mk84VCahxiIbUjgb4rO280n8zPa; Received: from [122.129.203.50] (port=60898 helo=X220.ovitrap.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (SSLv3:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Tnq2t-004Flh-7B; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:25:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:25:11 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Ian Smith Subject: Re: getting a laptop - take 2 Message-ID: <20121226192511.355407a9@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20121226223332.U30575@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20121223181300.4c64820c@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121226111802.GA82100@server.rulingia.com> <20121226223332.U30575@sola.nimnet.asn.au> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Eitan Adler , Peter Jeremy , mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 12:25:24 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:37:34 +1100 (EST) Ian Smith wrote: > On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:18:02 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > > I have a T420s (running Linux for $work) and you can switch between > > the integrated (Intel), nvidia & Optimus in the BIOS. FreeBSD > > should support either of the first two options (though you'll lose > > VTYs when you use KMS to support the Intel graphics). > > Is this particular bug/regression being worked on, do you know? It's > seeming to be longstanding. Does it only affect (some particular?) > Intel graphics chips/drivers? > in Microsoft's word: this is a feature. In our words: the work on KMS does not include the VTs. It might will come back in the future, it might not. Irony, the VTs are there, there is just no output visible. Erich From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 27 04:25:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765175FA for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 04:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f50.google.com (mail-ee0-f50.google.com [74.125.83.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07948FC0A for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 04:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f50.google.com with SMTP id b45so4592364eek.37 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:25:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VKG+vg9KUezSUYC228m5+TDQriGY9GW4uHRoDKL8YeY=; b=CP/8d2qzpo5sMWgRvkEw26IHMlJ0Vvo+HpV2LFa1Mv363EgxL5oJLfDbFqyUZ/Hkmh Uavsrw5OH4GX3zyPrIo4zzDuzKLeh56iNV+BXZhPIgOw8BbdSUSCe6zrWV3322Q9v4BZ /LOssZMZ3Td2YOX7U3JN9RnmvQTw8Fl/XHIFW6lOLHyLCNGAaw7yWtnkzCU62Rw1+PMt NA0IHo7YvdemSZ9op5UNENB/hloZPs62KVUtxT7+TBwkezjXpn7KpfwgfJWmLqEu0Wn5 EIshjI//rkNRfpWcnLjDL4+T4/aETdET+mphpHYOAOrWQkg2O0LdtxOAEHUPWvhtViWF dZrQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.194.199 with SMTP id m47mr74891904een.11.1356582301288; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.170.193 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:25:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121226192511.355407a9@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20121223181300.4c64820c@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121226111802.GA82100@server.rulingia.com> <20121226223332.U30575@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20121226192511.355407a9@X220.ovitrap.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:25:01 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: getting a laptop - take 2 From: Kevin Oberman To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Eitan Adler , Peter Jeremy , Ian Smith , mobile@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 04:25:08 -0000 On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:37:34 +1100 (EST) > Ian Smith wrote: > >> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:18:02 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> > >> > I have a T420s (running Linux for $work) and you can switch between >> > the integrated (Intel), nvidia & Optimus in the BIOS. FreeBSD >> > should support either of the first two options (though you'll lose >> > VTYs when you use KMS to support the Intel graphics). >> >> Is this particular bug/regression being worked on, do you know? It's >> seeming to be longstanding. Does it only affect (some particular?) >> Intel graphics chips/drivers? >> > in Microsoft's word: this is a feature. > > In our words: the work on KMS does not include the VTs. It might will > come back in the future, it might not. Irony, the VTs are there, there > is just no output visible. The KMS support in FreeBSD was written by kib@ under a contract from the FreeBSD Foundation. That contract did not all for support of console mode and kib stated quite clearly, before KMS was added to FreeBSD, that he had no interest in working on this, but that he hoped that someone else would step up to write it. I seem to recall that he might have offered some pointers for any potential volunteers, but I may be thinking of Radeon KMS support. In any case, it is not a bug, but simply a capability FreeBSD currently lacks. Volunteers are always appreciated! -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com