From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 07:12:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF811065675 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 07:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B128FC0A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 07:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id q017CpSO012506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:12:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id q017CpC2012505; Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:12:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA12129; Sat, 31 Dec 11 23:01:06 PST Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 06:00:57 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd@edvax.de Message-Id: <4f006719./AMuNtohIrbc9KiB%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <211353632.20111231040344@yandex.ru> <20222.32401.326222.536203@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1112244537.20111231112327@yandex.ru> <20111231171538.fd1156fb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20111231171538.fd1156fb.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: kes-kes@yandex.ru, roberthuff@rcn.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reduce partition size. HELP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 07:12:59 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > # cd /var > # dump -0 -L -a -u -f - /dev/ad0s1a | restore -r -f - > > Make sure /var does _not_ contain directory > names identical to those found on the / partition! > As I said, maybe use /scratch. :-) Unless using a freshly newfs-ed partition, it will likely be safer to use restore -x instead of -r; see the description of -r in the restore(8) manpage. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 08:10:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DCB106566B for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:10:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mokomull@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087608FC08 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so13109683wer.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 00:10:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=d0WPSjk6x3T941YuTKu8f1o1TSsM+xMXxWfJ6NnC99g=; b=Gp8pB3ncLUHxrtslrL+PAhBOSpe2lrO0FSeGKCAP/PK3ZqyDc5M3nLls44NZghlTB1 oKdkIvaRxilR8vampcbsnc4L1OoW3EJPQFruzMxmFos6wCqVbBw/p1Qgsr1oavgesjZp S3DH1ZfN/Fk9miUn4cTs7MxlISs1J3068KH3Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.136.73 with SMTP id v51mr30495906wei.5.1325405446705; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 00:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.156.65 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:10:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EF9F395.6030302@my.gd> References: <4EF9F395.6030302@my.gd> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:10:46 -0800 Message-ID: From: Matt Mullins To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: KERNEL - knowing what programs use/need modules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 08:10:48 -0000 On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Now, I'm wondering why in the world a server would need umass, ums and cam ? > > My understanding is that ums is the USB mouse, which we're never going > to need. > > Umass would be USB mass storage, which again we're never going to need. You appear to be correct with these two. My gut tells me these types of things would be loaded when the corresponding devices are plugged into the system, but if that's wrong, surely someone here will speak up. > Regarding CAM I have absolutely no idea why the module is loaded either. That's the SCSI/ATA subsystem; if this is the only of your firewalls to have this module, perhaps it has different disk adapter hardware than the others or another sysadmin decided to load it manually? > Are there any ways of finding what programs, if any, require or use said > modules ? I'd probably start with judicious use of sysutils/lsof to find any programs that have the relevant device nodes open. "grep -Rl" through your binary directories might also find something, but I'd expect a very high false-positive rate with that. Hope any of this helps, Matt Mullins From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 10:50:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CF4106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 10:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0702E8FC08 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 10:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (pool-96-236-238-95.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [96.236.238.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6F47B23E; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 05:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fracasso.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C5535CE7; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 05:50:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 05:49:58 -0500 From: Janos Dohanics To: Polytropon Message-Id: <20120101054958.0d4218f3.web@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <20111231093941.23c62fb9.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20111231005704.7a31cfb1.web@3dresearch.com> <20111231093941.23c62fb9.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Single user mode exits unexpectedly X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 10:50:12 -0000 On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:39:41 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 00:57:04 -0500, Janos Dohanics wrote: > > I have just rebuilt world and kernel according to the Handbook, > > installed the new kernel, rebooted, logged in, issued "sudo shutdown > > now" - the machine entered single user mode, then immediately exited > > without any intervention by me and continued to boot into multiuser > > mode. > > That's not the procedure required. From the comment section > of /usr/src/Makefile: > > 1. `cd /usr/src' (or to the directory containing your source > tree). > 2. `make buildworld' > 3. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > GENERIC). > 4. `make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > GENERIC). [steps 3. & 4. can be combined by using the "kernel" target] > 5. `reboot' (in single user mode: boot -s from the loader > prompt). > 6. `mergemaster -p' > 7. `make installworld' > 8. `make delete-old' > 9. `mergemaster' (you may wish to use -i, along with -U > or -F). > 10. `reboot' > 11. `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses them > anymore) > > Step 5: reboot _into_ single user mode. After installing > the kernel and shutting down the system, let it come up > to the kernel loader. You can enter that stage by pressing > the space bar several times. If I remember correctly, > you'll then see prompt Well, rebuilt World, kernel, installed kernel, rebooted into single user mode, installed world, but still have the same problem. When going from multi user mode to single user mode: the computer immediately exits single user mode and boots into multi user mode. When starting the system and booting into single user mode, this does not happen. I'd appreciate your suggestions... -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 11:42:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36320106566B for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:42:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BD48FC14 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so12867125ggn.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.174.1 with SMTP id b1mr18140496anp.1.1325418170850; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm64081068yhl.15.2012.01.01.03.42.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TGKQv6w4Bz2CG5x for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 06:42:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 06:42:47 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:42:52 -0000 On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:03:38 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > Mac doesn't support all hardware from what I understand, and the only > system with 100% hardware support is Winblows. Given the design > philosophy of Winblows, how well written do you think the hardware > drivers are coded? For that matter, how well do you think the > hardware is made? From my meanderings on this list and others a lot > of hardware needs software compensation for it to work as well as it > does on FreeBSD and even linux. I am sure that you will be happy to supply verifiable documentation to support your claims. As for the the quality of the "hardware", that would be solely dependent on the devices manufacturer. The drivers are obviously coded in a fashion that allows the device to operate in its environment. Any further discussion is impossible without defining some specific parameters. The basic problem is that open-sore users are by and large suffering from a "sour grapes" philosophy. It is a common "school yard" phenomena; however, it is usually outgrown at some time in an individuals lifetime. However, unfortunately, that is not written in concrete either. "Tempora mutantur", however with the exception of Ubuntu the rest of the open-sore community, to various degrees, continue to stagnate. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ It does not matter if you fall down as long as you pick up something from the floor while you get up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 12:10:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F55B1065675 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sykadul@astalavista.com) Received: from cfe1.sui-inter.net (cfe1.sui-inter.net [80.74.150.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73DE8FC13 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14764 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2012 12:43:49 +0100 Date: 1 Jan 2012 12:43:49 +0100 Message-ID: <20120101114349.14762.qmail@cfe1.sui-inter.net> From: sykadul@astalavista.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 12:10:32 -0000 Ladies and gentleman, I will be unplugged from my email until the 17th of January. 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Best regards, Sykadul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 13:00:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF1210656B9 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:00:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30C28FC1C for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65A405C24 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:12:34 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 13:00:31 -0000 On 01/01/12 21:42, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:03:38 +1000 > Da Rock articulated: > >> Mac doesn't support all hardware from what I understand, and the only >> system with 100% hardware support is Winblows. Given the design >> philosophy of Winblows, how well written do you think the hardware >> drivers are coded? For that matter, how well do you think the >> hardware is made? From my meanderings on this list and others a lot >> of hardware needs software compensation for it to work as well as it >> does on FreeBSD and even linux. > I am sure that you will be happy to supply verifiable documentation to > support your claims. If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and others (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats 5) years. > As for the the quality of the "hardware", that would be solely dependent > on the devices manufacturer. The drivers are obviously coded in a > fashion that allows the device to operate in its environment. Any > further discussion is impossible without defining some specific > parameters. A lot of hardware is now run using firmware, which may or may not contain a bug or two which may work better in M$ behemoth but will usually die a lot faster, and reduce its usable life- not to mention speed. A lot of updates include "fixes" for these, which may or may not solve the problems. > The basic problem is that open-sore users are by and large suffering > from a "sour grapes" philosophy. It is a common "school yard" > phenomena; however, it is usually outgrown at some time in an > individuals lifetime. However, unfortunately, that is not written in > concrete either. > > "Tempora mutantur", however with the exception of Ubuntu the rest of > the open-sore community, to various degrees, continue to stagnate. I'm sorry but I'm really pissed off tonight and you're attitude is really rubbing me the wrong way. If you want to be best mates with Gates and his horde then by all means... but this is a genuine discussion in an attempt to resolve _these_ issues, and clarify points as to why things are a certain way. If you don't agree, then be silent and ignore what you perceive to be crap, or at the very least _try_ not to be so aggressive and offensive. A lot of us on this list do this as common courtesy. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31sm265887ant.14.2012.01.01.06.14.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 06:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TGNnn1gvsz2CG5x for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 09:14:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 09:14:20 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:14:25 -0000 On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > On 01/01/12 21:42, Jerry wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:03:38 +1000 > > Da Rock articulated: > > > >> Mac doesn't support all hardware from what I understand, and the > >> only system with 100% hardware support is Winblows. Given the > >> design philosophy of Winblows, how well written do you think the > >> hardware drivers are coded? For that matter, how well do you think > >> the hardware is made? From my meanderings on this list and others > >> a lot of hardware needs software compensation for it to work as > >> well as it does on FreeBSD and even linux. > > I am sure that you will be happy to supply verifiable documentation > > to support your claims. > If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and others > (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats 5) years. I am not sure what "parouse" means. There are a Shane, Dawn and Nicole Parouse. Are you referring to them? Perhaps you meant "peruse". In any case, I did not make the claim therefore I am not required to obtain, nor verify the existence of such data. While I don't dispute that you might actually be able to find one or two such devices, would you care to investigate the totally number of devices, especially higher end devices that work fully under Windows as opposed to either not working or working is a crippled state on FreeBSD? I tend not to include Ubuntu since they have made huge strides in making hardware work correctly under their environment. Seems strange that they can achieve what FreeBSD considers either unobtainable or unnecessary (sour grapes). {OK, let the "blame game" begin -- after all, it is ALWAYS someone elses fault} > > As for the the quality of the "hardware", that would be solely > > dependent on the devices manufacturer. The drivers are obviously > > coded in a fashion that allows the device to operate in its > > environment. Any further discussion is impossible without defining > > some specific parameters. > A lot of hardware is now run using firmware, which may or may not > contain a bug or two which may work better in M$ behemoth but will > usually die a lot faster, and reduce its usable life- not to mention > speed. A lot of updates include "fixes" for these, which may or may > not solve the problems. And the world may or may not end on Dec 21, 2012 or a meteor may or may not strike the earth today, or WTF are you babbling about? Throwing in a citation or two would certainly help. Furthermore, what is your problem with updates? I am notified of several everyday, sometimes actually running into the hundreds and on two occasions the thousands on FreeBSD. You might really want to rethink that statement. And remember, those are only for applications on my PC. I don't know the actually number of updates issued per day by FreeBSD for its entire ports collection. By the way, any firmware, software, whatever, designed for any environment may or may not contain a "bug". You have now officially won the award the most retarded statement I have heard to start off the new year. Congratulations! > > The basic problem is that open-sore users are by and large suffering > > from a "sour grapes" philosophy. It is a common "school yard" > > phenomena; however, it is usually outgrown at some time in an > > individuals lifetime. However, unfortunately, that is not written in > > concrete either. > > > > "Tempora mutantur", however with the exception of Ubuntu the rest of > > the open-sore community, to various degrees, continue to stagnate. > I'm sorry but I'm really pissed off tonight and you're attitude is > really rubbing me the wrong way. If you want to be best mates with > Gates and his horde then by all means... but this is a genuine > discussion in an attempt to resolve _these_ issues, and clarify > points as to why things are a certain way. If you don't agree, then > be silent and ignore what you perceive to be crap, or at the very > least _try_ not to be so aggressive and offensive. A lot of us on > this list do this as common courtesy. Ah, there we are. That good old socialist/fascist call to arms, "You're either with us, or against us." You so clearly define what is the basic problem with FreeBSD in general. The "sour grapes" attitude is so clearly self evident. You would rather spend your time defending something that doesn't work as fully functional as it could be if the developers stopped patting themselves on the back for accomplishing what other OSs had already done 3 or more years earlier and rather attempted to bring the OS on par with those competing OSs. Yes indeed, New Year, same old bullshit. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ If it smells it's chemistry, if it crawls it's biology, if it doesn't work it's physics. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 14:15:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06DD1065670 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:15:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sykadul@astalavista.com) Received: from cfe1.sui-inter.net (cfe1.sui-inter.net [80.74.150.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBF08FC21 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25952 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jan 2012 15:15:41 +0100 Date: 1 Jan 2012 15:15:41 +0100 Message-ID: <20120101141541.25950.qmail@cfe1.sui-inter.net> From: sykadul@astalavista.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:15:43 -0000 Ladies and gentleman, I will be unplugged from my email until the 17th of January. 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Best regards, Sykadul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 16:51:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54001065679 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:51:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rabgvzr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B888FC18 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so9691883yen.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 08:51:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=W+uBqxkHGCkfqSlG/ACRiDF2f6k7c8nptQAbhLsX2lQ=; b=vdzKZY1495oe6ma+qR/Y2+YqjqxI0F9kMAXVY6QimxQkr5UTe0891neY0xug5Vdhny p0IjtsPRxlfyI11Avdx1GI0ONF5dXwkh4PYu68L+mInW5DPs3Z57bV+duQC3Txj/Qrjh zDbOhozp8YdnEZueeZz0CXA4upW/szjcKCzIA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.127.145 with SMTP id d17mr40278624yhi.39.1325435162927; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 08:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.102.136 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:26:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:26:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Rotate 13 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: axe(4) and Plugable USB2-E1000 (or: general USB Ethernet advice) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:51:30 -0000 I am looking for a USB ethernet adapter which works with very stable driver in FreeBSD. To effect this end, I went through section 4 man pages, and made list of drivers for USB ethernet chips. The problem is, many are apparently not widely available or in current production - but I found ASIX AX88178 and ASIX AX88772 (axe(4)) in various devices from http://plugable.com/ . I am mostly interested in ASIX AX88178 due to faster speed (albeit limited by USB2 speed). My questions: * Does anybody have good or bad experience with Plugable USB2-E1000 (ASIX AX88178) in FreeBSD? Stability is utmost concern, followed by performance. I note, Amazon.com page for product says also it has Realtek RTL8211CL PHY - I do not understand why, and cannot find info explaining this. Is perhaps slower USB2-E100 with ASIX AX88772 more compatible? * Any advice on rock-solid usage of USB Ethernet in FreeBSD, and pointers to other products will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 18:41:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839781065670 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8288FC0A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q01IfYjA086560 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:41:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id q01IfYeO086556 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:41:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:41:34 -0500 (EST) From: doug To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> Message-ID: References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 13:41:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: sour grapes .. was FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:41:35 -0000 I wish someone with some FreeBSD weight would make this request, but I think this thread got a little off topic. The main thrust of the FreeBSD project seems to be making the best server OS possible. That I think they do that pretty well. I have long held that to be viable long term in the server game you have to at least be credible in the desktop game. I hope some of the desktop projects will bear fruit in this area. If I were not too old and (more to be point) too obsolete technically I would put my efforts where my thoughts lead me. As it is, I use FreeBSD as a desktop because it requires me to get into areas just administering a server farm would never take me. The upsie fpr me is that never crashes. That it works okay on an 800MHz, 500MB old dell server does not hurt either. The pain that comes with that is my choice. That said, FreeBSD has a giant disadvantage in the desktop world. In trying to find if there will be any sort for my current laptop I came across a comment from Robert Noland saying that Xorg is becoming more and more Linux centric. That is a problem the FreeBSD project can not overcome. That along with the way Intel does its video drivers makes supporting new stuff non trivial if not daunting. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 19:20:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86091065676 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734348FC21 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcc3 with SMTP id c3so13017467pbc.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:20:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0WjXqdZ94uD+uxOK5bZnVZckXxW3bnEYacQpmB2/M4Q=; b=x9fpngmNhXp75Rd0jTLa0H0P+nu6gibqV2VWq3WvptfYQan4FCe/CQw8i9xdWtcNmd cRHHDptUg/3fWsIOXliI7GMwPdwh58cmGwHcBL96HK8bqrTdbrB2bTpWRpRWjtPAHs70 XnPu+hr/e8dku55iohSFXDDnMOCNbSgjYCOwg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.75.135 with SMTP id c7mr88182754pbw.43.1325445634917; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:20:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:20:34 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: doug@safeport.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: sour grapes .. was FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:20:35 -0000 On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:41 PM, doug wrote: > I wish someone with some FreeBSD weight would make this request, but I > think this thread got a little off topic. > Oh buddy... > > The main thrust of the FreeBSD project seems to be making the best server > OS possible. That I think they do that pretty well. I have long held that > to be viable long term in the server game you have to at least be credible > in the desktop game. I hope some of the desktop projects will bear fruit in > this area. I bought into FreeBSD as PC-BSD and am enjoying it greatly. It beats Windows, for me, and makes considerably more structural sense than the Linuxes I have experienced (Debian and, more recently, Ubuntu.) The boot configuration and directory structure is more comprehensible. If I were not too old and (more to be point) too obsolete technically I > would put my efforts where my thoughts lead me. As it is, I use FreeBSD as > a desktop because it requires me to get into areas just administering a > server farm would never take me. The upsie fpr me is that never crashes. > That it works okay on an 800MHz, 500MB old dell server does not hurt > either. The pain that comes with that is my choice. > I never had the skill and still don't. As users go I'm pretty knowledgeable, and in fact was once a Windows network desktop tech in a big hospital corporation, but as far as writing code and making a serious difference, nope, sorry, I never learned how. > > That said, FreeBSD has a giant disadvantage in the desktop world. In > trying to find if there will be any sort for my current laptop I don't know what your current laptop is, but PC-BSD is running fine on my Sony Vaio VPC-EC2TFX/W1, on my Asus eee, and it runs acceptably on my Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950, although it tend to forget the screen size on that one and need to be reminded from time to time. I came across a comment from Robert Noland saying that Xorg is becoming > more and more Linux centric. That is a problem the FreeBSD project can not > overcome. Sure it can, the same way Linux got where it is today - get people's interest. I think PC-BSD should help. Or, some FreeBSD project people can contribute to the Xorg project as well... it's not over, we're just where we are. > That along with the way Intel does its video drivers makes supporting new > stuff non trivial if not daunting. > And that, alas, is beyond my ability to even address. Jeff > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 19:27:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB476106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0098FC17 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcc3 with SMTP id c3so13019247pbc.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:27:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gUybIR5ZouGgSkdzBZSEwtbZOIK9vUqYCpqaAzWVnV4=; b=h2G9Z8PvyyjK2+FdTrwdy4x0hKECXQoIOgEWVJQ5cCFFs4i77MAdwNUFuWSYdYjgAQ EXh8Ipl0UX+gUmk87Y0qBpnbFPlDOt/wh12jvIbmDW4QlUnsZgadYYAKL+P1oDJedSkx 0JJH50ZEk3INEPWVeS3xE+wWz1HnmmrNwyl8w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.72.8 with SMTP id z8mr114730041pbu.111.1325446019846; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:26:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:26:59 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: Rotate 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: axe(4) and Plugable USB2-E1000 (or: general USB Ethernet advice) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:27:01 -0000 On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Rotate 13 wrote: > I am looking for a USB ethernet adapter which works with very stable > driver in FreeBSD. To effect this end, I went through section 4 man > pages, and made list of drivers for USB ethernet chips. The problem > is, many are apparently not widely available or in current production > - but I found ASIX AX88178 and ASIX AX88772 (axe(4)) in various > devices from http://plugable.com/ . I am mostly interested in ASIX > AX88178 due to faster speed (albeit limited by USB2 speed). > > My questions: > > * Does anybody have good or bad experience with Plugable USB2-E1000 > (ASIX AX88178) in FreeBSD? Stability is utmost concern, followed by > performance. I note, Amazon.com page for product says also it has > Realtek RTL8211CL PHY - I do not understand why, and cannot find info > explaining this. Is perhaps slower USB2-E100 with ASIX AX88772 more > compatible? > > * Any advice on rock-solid usage of USB Ethernet in FreeBSD, and > pointers to other products will be much appreciated.ss G USB > I can't address your other questions, but the Belkin Wireless G USB adapter model FSD7050 is working without fail for me, and last I knew was still on the market. Jeff > > Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 19:30:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB634106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:30:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8142F8FC0A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so17068702obb.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:30:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.59.13 with SMTP id v13mr7326981obq.74.1325446226157; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.220.33 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:30:26 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.177.161] In-Reply-To: References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:30:26 +0100 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: doug@safeport.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: sour grapes .. was FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:30:27 -0000 On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 7:41 PM, doug wrote: > That said, FreeBSD has a giant disadvantage in the desktop world. In trying > to find if there will be any sort for my current laptop I came across a > comment from Robert Noland saying that Xorg is becoming more and more Linux > centric. That is a problem the FreeBSD project can not overcome. Did he mean frameworks like evdev(4) and so? http://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/evdev.4.html Stuff like this really ought to be backported to FreeBSD, either directly or by providing more Linuxisms on our side. It only shows that our Linuxulator framework isn't compatible enough with Linux and needs to be extended. There's no /technical/ reason why it can't be done. And yes, it's a pain. But if most 3rd party software developers converge towards a Linux "standard" (whatever that moving target "standard" may be), we may have to inch towards this standard too. That kind of convergence happened in the Unix world all the time, including with POSIX. Now Linux is the new de facto standard platform the 3rd party software, we may as well adapt FreeBSD/Linuxulator. Kind regards and a Happy New Year. ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 19:40:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B61106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5FC8FC08 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A8B1703E for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 09:40:38 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4F00B6B5.8070309@hdk5.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 09:40:37 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Happy New Year to FreeBSD members... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:40:39 -0000 Aloha! Wishing all our listers a happy and prosperous new year. Thanks for your help. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 19:50:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A31106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC758FC14 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so14134535dak.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:50:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c/8DbNIlicuUI0gkq+RNYPnOIFQ5aUpuhsSFVpnFndw=; b=Hgi0CNSbvNl32EuFeuFcFHQGRMLOMkgJD+AbEOs3HQj1aAtirNu0jsmOwjuZn70jah r48GObNmynrn8HrJCiERhoDwtNcHteTLUP6PM3EB2OAUk16tX5oib1oLpXQ1H13h01TO rBto0P+jc7Khx0sYPRsoEBybp0G+uZW12JiyQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.191.106 with SMTP id gx10mr114952309pbc.60.1325447442862; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 11:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:50:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111231120040.3AEFA10657B7@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20111231120040.3AEFA10657B7@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:50:42 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 395, Issue 10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:50:43 -0000 On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:00 AM, wrote: > Send freebsd-questions mailing list submissions to > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Matthew Seaman wrote: > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:34:02 +0000 > From: Matthew Seaman > Subject: Re: very small network > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4EFED70A.8080005@infracaninophile.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 31/12/2011 04:12, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > > I bought into FreeBSD with a DVD of PC-BSD. It's great, but the PC-BSD > > user manual is not up to the level of the FreeBSD manual. In the latter > I > > have found, as you all suggested, all the necessary information. > > > > I haven't set the network up yet but I expect to be able to run both > server > > and client NFS on each machine to enable networking both ways. They are > > all laptops of one sort or another (Asus eee, Toshiba Satellite, late > > model Sony Vaio) and it sort of depends on where I sit which machine > needs > > to be client and which server, if that makes any sense. > > Perfect sense. > > One thing I'd expect PC-BSD to have (or at least to make easy to enable) > is Apple-esque zeroconf networking. That means you should be able to > plug a new build machine into your network, and it will discover other > machines on the net and give you the ability to mount filesystems, or > print to attached printers, and all without having a designated central > controlling server. I take it this is the sort of thing you mean by > setting up your network? > As I look, yes, PC-BSD does have such a thing, and it has a "network browser" built into it, too. It almost looks like it is designed to use Samba even between BSD machines; does this make sense? > > This is a very attractive model as it is very simple from the user point > of view. You don't necessarily need to have any dedicated servers, > although such things as a DHCP server are still useful (I suspect your > broadband router probably has that function). On the other hand, it is > probably a bit harder to set up than a strict client-server setup with > dedicated servers. > It is attractive, but I don't see any way to configure exported filesystems other than going back to NFS, which is all right, but I'm trying to understand what this other option might mean to me. > > The key software requirement here is to set up multicast DNS. There are > a number of packages in the ports to do this -- mDNSresponder, howl, but > what I'd recommend is avahi as it is best integrated with other software > packages. For the shared networking thing, you can use samba between > FreeBSD machines, but you'll need to build samba from ports since the > AVAHI option isn't enabled by default. > As you may know, PC-BSD has a system they call PBI (Push Button Installation) to install pre-built packages via a "software manager" app on the system. Needless to say, it does not offer all 23K+ ports. There is a .PBI version of Samba; I wonder if it has Avahi enabled by default. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > Thanks for the help, Jeff > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 20:15:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC60106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from innervisionnetwork@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3147D8FC16 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so17083200obb.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 12:15:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xGgmrDnYBfXs4UMhGkxJd/Pxt+SltzkxkPrKD97rX6k=; b=YcR2G9FL+bj/sqTYarhGYJn8nXtdMCJED1OEKUM2ldAqjl8SVmxM3FcQmzaz6+7T4A YLI1TsmcbfUdiOR18GNwSOzkYXsy2OPSo/f1V6ysU2tDrqs9IqObLsXd0ypaRT+d+qhO lz/LBbtlKFIv4tCSQlpbWm29rUqng8uzqmEr8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.1.8 with SMTP id 8mr39751838obi.11.1325448920190; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 12:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.30.202 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:15:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Daniel Lewis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fwd: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 20:15:21 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel Lewis Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:50 PM Subject: DNS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Im new to freebsd 8.2 and the unix world. How do i setup dns to support my domain www.innervisionnetworks.com??? Registar asking for nameserver info and not ip address. How do I setup nameserver and point to my directory with html document inside??? Thankyou, Daniel Lewis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 20:20:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FFB106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from innervisionnetwork@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BD18FC08 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so17085195obb.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 12:20:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hN7+3yD3TttjSHSBALpjcZof8uR+Jhwt8hpi3RTwykM=; b=bPOFOAM2WRd+OHn5H/cFJn/mFlWE67X30HKRtFADwcrKQksA9y1W/1EiWqtbVoEmz6 EiUr0OfR1A6uMp61IYEtFwbXjyNI6ZsPzGVf227krUSDGB3cLjdvFMCX1lLSTs6VumzC 24oyxSCW/edCy7BPEu9/iO0NK4tx8UmZusrgo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.51.37 with SMTP id h5mr39672119obo.51.1325449238199; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 12:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.30.202 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:20:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:20:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Daniel Lewis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fwd: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 20:20:38 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel Lewis Date: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 3:15 PM Subject: Fwd: DNS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel Lewis Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:50 PM Subject: DNS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Im new to freebsd 8.2 and the unix world. How do i setup dns to support my domain www.innervisionnetworks.com??? Registar asking for nameserver info and not ip address. How do I setup nameserver and point to my directory with html document inside??? Thankyou, Daniel Lewis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 21:14:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77927106566C for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:14:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E50E8FC0C for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so35721014iad.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 13:14:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yeqJ7BIqkGQlQA3vG5emj9nB775U+Uqwiu6owcdcxGE=; b=CQwg2K7z7nl+phaH6EuGW+6nQp+0sB3hduE+OiNFvud3MEZjM4iluJi2/J+Au+hEHQ sKmS/bAl+VbrblUXJcfkLcAhhh7kzDpRJza6rQrq0cWuZb3dctU12laft1qQPIrhqzCb adkmNEe8gRoXXRTAH2Lm6078B1oeteKwyTIUk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.170.35 with SMTP id aj3mr55499237igc.2.1325451102866; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 12:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.31.65 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:51:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:51:42 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:14:20 -0000 On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Daniel Lewis wrote: > > Im new to freebsd 8.2 and the unix world. How do i setup dns to support my > domain > Hi Daniel, You probably want to use ISC bind in /usr/ports/dns I recommend you read the O'Reilly book DNS and BIND. Basic process - Install and configure bind. If possible set up on two or more machines/ip. IMHO it's less hassle to set up duplicate masters and rsync changes from your 'main' install instead of setting up master/slave configurations. create zone file for your domain, ie $TTL 86400 example.com. IN SOA ns1.example.com. ns@example.com. ( 2012010210 28800 7200 1209600 86400 ) example.com. NS ns1.example.com. example.com. NS ns2.example.com. example.com. MX 0 mail.example.com. example.com. A 192.168.0.133 www.example.com. A 192.168.0.133 * IN CNAME www.example.com. cname is good for people who enjoy making typos like wwww and ww add your domain zone file to named.conf, ie zone "example.com" IN { type master; file "example.com.hosts"; }; reload nameserver rndc reload export your nameservers to root ns, this process varies for registrar - look for "use my own nameserver" or "create nameservers based on domain" in your registrar help docs. Maybe you can contact internic/nsi directly instead (?). Back in the old days users just spread around copies of the hosts file. Have fun. Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 21:16:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCF3106566B for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:16:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 928358FC0C for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26842 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2012 20:49:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (71.170.154.177) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.107) with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2012 20:49:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4F00C6EC.30100@computer.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:49:48 -0600 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 OpenPGP: url=http://www.ravenlock.us/keys/pub_schuele.pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3963CB4987E63ECC3AA6DFB4" Subject: Thinkpad w500 microphone with Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: e.schuele@computer.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:16:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3963CB4987E63ECC3AA6DFB4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I've a new (to me) laptop which is a Thinkpad W500 with a Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa). I am having no luck getting the microphone to work. The goal is to get skype up and running with sound, mic and video. Presently I have sound from the machine. Trying to get the mic to work. If I use skype's echo test it does not pickup anything. This is the only 'mic test' I've tried. I'm am not much on audio so never had a need before to use a mic under FreeBSD... so I don't even know what other recording tests might be useful. Here are a few bits of info.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D % dmesg -a | grep -i hda hdac0: mem 0xfc220000-0xfc223fff irq 17 at device 27.0 on pci0 hdac0: HDA Driver Revision: 20100226_0142 hdac0: Reserved 0x4000 bytes for rid 0x10 type 3 at 0xfc220000 hdac0: attempting to allocate 1 MSI vectors (1 supported) hdac0: using IRQ 257 for MSI hdac0: [MPSAFE] hdac0: [ITHREAD] hdac0: Caps: OSS 4, ISS 4, BSS 0, NSDO 1, 64bit, CORB 256, RIRB 256 hdac0: Probing codec #0... hdac0: HDA Codec #0: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) hdac0: HDA Codec ID: 0x14f15051 hdac0: Vendor: 0x14f1 hdac0: Device: 0x5051 hdac0: Revision: 0x00 hdac0: Stepping: 0x00 hdac0: PCI Subvendor: 0x20f217aa hdac0: Found audio FG nid=3D1 startnode=3D16 endnode=3D31 total=3D15 hdac0: Probing codec #1... hdac0: HDA Codec #1: Conexant (Unknown) hdac0: HDA Codec ID: 0x14f12c06 hdac0: Vendor: 0x14f1 hdac0: Device: 0x2c06 hdac0: Revision: 0x00 hdac0: Stepping: 0x00 hdac0: PCI Subvendor: 0x20f217aa hdac0: Found modem FG nid=3D2 startnode=3D112 endnode=3D116 total=3D4 hdac0: hdac0: Processing audio FG cad=3D0 nid=3D1... hdac0: GPIO: 0x40000004 NumGPIO=3D4 NumGPO=3D0 NumGPI=3D0 GPIWake=3D0 GPI= Unsol=3D1 hdac0: nid 22 0x022140f0 as 15 seq 0 Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0 hdac0: Patching pin config nid=3D22 0x022140f0 -> 0x0221401f hdac0: nid 23 0x61a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic None jack 1 loc 33 color Pink misc 0 hdac0: nid 24 0x02a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0 hdac0: Patching pin config nid=3D24 0x02a190f0 -> 0x02a1902f hdac0: nid 25 0x40f000f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 hdac0: nid 26 0x901701f0 as 15 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 hdac0: Patching pin config nid=3D26 0x901701f0 -> 0x90170110 hdac0: nid 27 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 hdac0: nid 28 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 hdac0: nid 29 0x90a601f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 hdac0: Patching pin config nid=3D29 0x90a601f0 -> 0x90a60120 hdac0: Patched pins configuration: hdac0: nid 22 0x0221401f as 1 seq 15 Headphones Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Green misc 0 hdac0: nid 23 0x61a190f0 as 15 seq 0 Mic None jack 1 loc 33 color Pink misc 0 [DISABLED] hdac0: nid 24 0x02a1902f as 2 seq 15 Mic Jack jack 1 loc 2 color Pink misc 0 hdac0: nid 25 0x40f000f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 0 [DISABLED] hdac0: nid 26 0x90170110 as 1 seq 0 Speaker Fixed jack 7 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 hdac0: nid 27 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] hdac0: nid 28 0x40f001f0 as 15 seq 0 Other None jack 0 loc 0 color Unknown misc 1 [DISABLED] hdac0: nid 29 0x90a60120 as 2 seq 0 Mic Fixed jack 6 loc 16 color Unknown misc 1 hdac0: 2 associations found: hdac0: Association 0 (1) out: hdac0: Pin nid=3D26 seq=3D0 hdac0: Pin nid=3D22 seq=3D15 hdac0: Association 1 (2) in: hdac0: Pin nid=3D29 seq=3D0 hdac0: Pin nid=3D24 seq=3D15 hdac0: Tracing association 0 (1) hdac0: Pin 26 traced to DAC 16 hdac0: Pin 22 traced to DAC 16 and hpredir 0 hdac0: Association 0 (1) trace succeeded hdac0: Tracing association 1 (2) hdac0: Pin 29 traced to ADC 20 hdac0: Unable to trace pin 24 to ADC 20, undo traces hdac0: Unable to trace pin 29 to ADC 21, undo traces hdac0: Association 1 (2) trace failed hdac0: Tracing input monitor hdac0: Tracing other input monitors hdac0: Tracing beeper hdac0: Enabling headphone/speaker audio routing switching: hdac0: as=3D0 sense nid=3D22 [UNSOL] hdac0: Pin sense: nid=3D22 res=3D0x7fffffff hdac0: FG config/quirks: forcestereo ivref50 ivref80 ivref100 ivref =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D %cat /boot/device.hints hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid22.config=3D"as=3D1 seq=3D15 device=3DHeadphones" hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid26.config=3D"as=3D1 seq=3D0 device=3DSpeaker" #hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid29.config=3D"as=3D1 seq=3D1 device=3DMic" hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid29.config=3D"as=3D2 seq=3D0 device=3DMic" hint.hdac.0.cad0.nid24.config=3D"as=3D2 seq=3D15 device=3DMic" =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D %cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) Installed devices: pcm0: (play) default =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D % mixer -f /dev/mixer0 Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 Mixer speaker is currently set to 75:75 Mixer ogain is currently set to 50:50 If I alter the hints mentioned above (by uncommenting the one), I can in fact get a 'mic' to appear via mixer. But the sound output is lost. Additionally, in such a configuration the cat of sndstat then reports '(rec) default'. So I did not proceed with those hints as they were seemingly of no use. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Eric --------------enig3963CB4987E63ECC3AA6DFB4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8AxuwACgkQngSDRM3IXUpo+wCg5IAzZMEUE06oqD0auiYKqL8a 3vUAmweMqQcO26GPTWeocQpC8IvJcRNM =yKjy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3963CB4987E63ECC3AA6DFB4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 21:48:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42388106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:48:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rabgvzr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04248FC12 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfq46 with SMTP id q46so10421560yhf.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 13:48:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1oSEP2W2gcJYp5b6ARm8jv9KWsowqiq+KPrdOwqubNk=; b=c8zuwITUovO6S1bWxL9YM6FsVGpzCFl5GoxCB0PCGTXfvFx+5e3vIs21fdNn3tXVt9 6J9iOvQn8RHjiI8a5n2VvkWP//nDGymkcGA2Fb16Qw8zb1MfPalp8B7rOJbctZP3T0/t uowNUHVmCj2d6+46pmnmlYsE55zzeYFtqxMNM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.127.145 with SMTP id d17mr40945882yhi.39.1325454537596; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 13:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.102.136 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:48:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:48:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Rotate 13 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jeffrey McFadden Subject: Re: axe(4) and Plugable USB2-E1000 (or: general USB Ethernet advice) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:48:59 -0000 On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Rotate 13 wrote: >> >> I am looking for a USB ethernet adapter which works with very stable >> driver in FreeBSD. =C2=A0To effect this end, I went through section 4 ma= n >> pages, and made list of drivers for USB ethernet chips. =C2=A0The proble= m >> is, many are apparently not widely available or in current production >> - but I found ASIX AX88178 and ASIX AX88772 (axe(4)) in various >> devices from http://plugable.com/ . =C2=A0I am mostly interested in ASIX >> AX88178 due to faster speed (albeit limited by USB2 speed). >> >> My questions: >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* Does anybody have good or bad experience wi= th Plugable USB2-E1000 >> (ASIX AX88178) in FreeBSD? =C2=A0Stability is utmost concern, followed b= y >> performance. =C2=A0I note, Amazon.com page for product says also it has >> Realtek RTL8211CL PHY - I do not understand why, and cannot find info >> explaining this. =C2=A0Is perhaps slower USB2-E100 with ASIX AX88772 mor= e >> compatible? >> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0* Any advice on rock-solid usage of USB Ether= net in FreeBSD, and >> pointers to other products will be much appreciated.ss G USB > > > I can't address your other questions, but the Belkin Wireless G USB adapt= er > model FSD7050 is working without fail for me, and last I knew was still o= n > the market. Thank you for reply. To make it clear, I am looking for wired Ethernet device: RJ45 jack on one side, USB jack on the other. Best would be gigabit ethernet and USB3, but I probably will get USB2 - and even USB2 + 100baseT would be ok in a pinch. I am also looking for good wireless hardware, but not USB - mini-PCIe, probably ath(4) or ral(4) compatible device which will work with FreeBSD's upcoming 802.11n support. That is a separate issue (although comments/pointers are welcome!). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 21:51:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C2B1065670 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:51:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyubomir@grigorovl.eu) Received: from gateway07.websitewelcome.com (gateway07.websitewelcome.com [69.56.212.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB69A8FC17 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gateway07.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id C760B99408FE1; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:23:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator1718.hostgator.com (gator1718.hostgator.com [184.173.215.146]) by gateway07.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC53E99408FA2 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:23:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from [75.36.214.55] (port=61339 helo=neonz.localnet) by gator1718.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RhSse-0008UU-H3; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:23:48 -0600 From: Lyubomir Grigorov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, e.schuele@computer.org Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 13:23:38 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-RC3; KDE/4.7.3; amd64; ; ) References: <4F00C6EC.30100@computer.org> In-Reply-To: <4F00C6EC.30100@computer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1724935.y7HM99bHA9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201201011323.46165.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1718.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - grigorovl.eu X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: adsl-75-36-214-55.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net (neonz.localnet) [75.36.214.55]:61339 X-Source-Auth: lyubomir@grigorovl.eu X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: YWxha2F6YW07YWxha2F6YW07Z2F0b3IxNzE4Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Cc: Subject: Re: Thinkpad w500 microphone with Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:51:39 -0000 --nextPart1724935.y7HM99bHA9 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I assume you are using Skype with linuxator? In this case, are the sound=20 devices in Skype set to "OSS"? From the PC-BSD forum, the following got sou= nd=20 working for me, since OSS wasn't showing as an option: # pkg_add -r linux-f10-alsa-plugins-oss # cp /compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/pcm-oss.conf-dist=20 /compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/ Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) --nextPart1724935.y7HM99bHA9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJPAM7iAAoJEDmxOw4kunU9ZaMP/R5DhPhWovNBiz/I9zfzXGGt xNrJwz1/zvoTB/cSAYgqU6r7h8TS/QtI85GuTFluv1Cj9bCfKO/bIg4MA7k8W7pK xjkFGSLuria9UzoHYWgYaa22KngIxuR6zEVOL738oxpbcgKl+KeY/SGmnGleF4xh t0T+ChlY+BCvGDKy+B9euayi05J0gLrbSi8Ggsjt23UMN4EkRc3gnEn2RpyrUcmm nlHumiSkpbrrfXuSIjz9RbYkbkAc1vFlAV3XsxfZluv2nitw6bm//rHTQrN3VQaX B9ceD2Q7asOBcIqy3c+t3XwmKo6G3drx54S2nE6OBp+Rdpq/Z66yWtXKp8JSKR9C qW+DewGBW73MgwyhouYGZMAQ25CdhcT1mg3xUeZ0mmLZqYqZYlhx4q6LKYPc/nse fa6EUoO36s3pOYNzbBlAlTdZ9csfrGQ0FHpzl45Yu+dwAlEVhDbYROg0nCneJU6E EhqTN/HouNFVV7D/u80cGbqJkN7mYFdK6AdYgnJdTArm4uewaIgsHIb6cStMlOw8 ieoDctV7XpLgRfsQ1qfiWcvUauI20Ce+LHimfTvzl/OJ5s2dnBzfVTBSDDc/j9k2 FamtHD8SEW2gIGZ2mII0kwb4KG44PYff7dHCPV5Pdn2zbRswL6Sg76cnUL/XdCt6 a9y89w/6qumcUCktn7P7 =fOBp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1724935.y7HM99bHA9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 22:45:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB801065673 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:45:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyubomir@grigorovl.eu) Received: from gateway14.websitewelcome.com (gateway14.websitewelcome.com [69.41.245.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43178FC14 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gateway14.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id E7014EC92375; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:45:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator1718.hostgator.com (gator1718.hostgator.com [184.173.215.146]) by gateway14.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96D4EC92351 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:45:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from [75.36.214.55] (port=63830 helo=neonz.localnet) by gator1718.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RhU9p-0007fY-ME; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:45:37 -0600 From: Lyubomir Grigorov To: e.schuele@computer.org Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:45:28 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-RC3; KDE/4.7.3; amd64; ; ) References: <4F00C6EC.30100@computer.org> <201201011323.46165.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> <4F00DF83.9050505@computer.org> In-Reply-To: <4F00DF83.9050505@computer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2900171.uIUb0cIqgh"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201201011445.37045.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1718.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - grigorovl.eu X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: adsl-75-36-214-55.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net (neonz.localnet) [75.36.214.55]:63830 X-Source-Auth: lyubomir@grigorovl.eu X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: YWxha2F6YW07YWxha2F6YW07Z2F0b3IxNzE4Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad w500 microphone with Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:45:39 -0000 --nextPart2900171.uIUb0cIqgh Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, it does sound like it, as there is no native Skype for FreeBSD, so you= =20 are using the linux layer. If you are missing OSS from devices, then it is = not=20 installed. Once you install the port, configure it use OSS. For all 3 dropd= owns=20 under the "Devices" settings. >I'm not seeing the above in the ports tree. :/ The port is here: $ pwd /usr/ports/audio/linux-f10-alsa-plugins-oss =2D- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) Cheers. --nextPart2900171.uIUb0cIqgh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJPAOIQAAoJEDmxOw4kunU9rNkQAJOg7dW3rIm/iBQExOMQiC7q tR/5iMS97l/T3WrYrCU4pi8ssrietwmIQNKLrlaWptLFk+LYOb5XyW9CcdBhLK3D WJp4qCT4cuUnWJcxJGECqnxymp/SOUDL/g/LpQQ4+Btj8VJqSist4S1eZ5BJAvOE nrXbL9kNCHeTw6F5GtlYqWuFOYEAKZDkCApZ/fz+Qv4To8K/pdd1qsEiXbCiWhNt vRBWB+jU7xqFZ1+EEGm/mQTwh+oOhG8PtoJio/rT+KobjsfHN8ZCQ5JW+GMSs/f3 NzH3BHGodntkRLjGCSpuHfa6RtEvqBOUh0UcpGlw0QAkym2sAKxj8hmZe5zJoq+9 xalg6GDBz/LlXu2Sq1jTOT45N2XFsTGxK9BU/pbCT8fSLLnlRaUGFHdlMRtcd6wO oFSIkt1RObK/OqhCsqDYec1QWni/JP4p+Od13LadAGgF47YUOaEzA+FcaMlyDzfT b4yDKQkLqlZ4wVYVPy+6ngFW1IawLXIgwfbJRdlgiTWaYyp9ARBjF1ouGdHRNSpw P5fgcsU5F73Eln8loSyUb19ML3wOHMiyghahZ2b5kWamP5kjQltQKrXbWQqEOwRL 7fPp79XYNDEtotnCH+UQmj5gWqClvujQ108TR8fiNG8jlzF7J3+SazqRoz1jcVMV jdi+m8nCoSZN4OIGssVS =59DW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2900171.uIUb0cIqgh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 22:47:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F3D106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:47:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981238FC13 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so13318509wer.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:47:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=sLGpHJUSIY5pn+RCJQOojbykbLzXadxTAESfMuL+ukk=; b=HFoXUUT33qYg+BzL5iBM6ShFr4UcPG7QuSTZinC/5insyUA6fIyfba5hQr7B8vc4Hg B57jf2rVQRedOtMO/+kQe22hncMZoPsQvqn+7KbTL/5YVFiC2cGE7stlBV8TnP5VFbHB rsQYcv8uhoCGiXSdrdUwvBGNE+i69NGmHQ55Y= Received: by 10.216.132.141 with SMTP id o13mr25436083wei.58.1325458032519; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([80.31.138.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fg15sm48327156wbb.7.2012.01.01.14.47.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:47:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:47:08 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:47:15 -0000 On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 12:51:42PM -0800, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Daniel Lewis > wrote: > > > > > Im new to freebsd 8.2 and the unix world. How do i setup dns to support my > > domain > > > > > Hi Daniel, > > You probably want to use ISC bind in /usr/ports/dns > > I recommend you read the O'Reilly book DNS and BIND. > > > Basic process - > > > Install and configure bind. If possible set up on two or more machines/ip. > IMHO it's less hassle to set up duplicate masters and rsync changes from > your 'main' install instead of setting up master/slave configurations. > > create zone file for your domain, ie > > $TTL 86400 > example.com. IN SOA ns1.example.com. ns@example.com. ( > 2012010210 > 28800 > 7200 > 1209600 > 86400 ) > example.com. NS ns1.example.com. > example.com. NS ns2.example.com. > example.com. MX 0 mail.example.com. > example.com. A 192.168.0.133 > www.example.com. A 192.168.0.133 > * IN CNAME www.example.com. > > cname is good for people who enjoy making typos like wwww and ww > > > add your domain zone file to named.conf, ie > > zone "example.com" IN { > type master; > file "example.com.hosts"; > }; > > > reload nameserver > > rndc reload > > export your nameservers to root ns, this process varies for registrar - > look for "use my own nameserver" or "create nameservers based on domain" in > your registrar help docs. Maybe you can contact internic/nsi directly > instead (?). Back in the old days users just spread around copies of the > hosts file. > > Have fun. > > Waitman Gobble > San Jose California USA Hello Waitman, Time ago I made the attempt to setup my own DNS in the same machine I had my web server running. DNS was the only thing I was not able to automatically update in the system with my scripts each time a new customer purchased a service. It would be wonderful for me if you or anyone here at least confirm me if it is really possible. I read bind9 manuals and learned how to write my zones in the way you show above. But I couldn't get it working. Finally I assumed that DNS should be run in a different machine. Since then I use freedns.afraid.org. At this time I had to get the job done so I left this subject pending. If it is really possible I ignore what I could missed, I tried hardly. I even asked in a bind mailing list and some guys implied, without giving me details, that it will not propagate. Perhaps, at that time, I failed in doing something related to what you explain in your 3rd paragraph. And now, for all the list: honestly I am glad to have found this place. It is not common to find in mailing list and forums (included freebsd forum) this level of help, discussion and affable treat, (no, I am not telling this because the "happy new year", I am being objective :-)). Anyway, happy new year to all! Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 22:49:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BBD106566B for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:49:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40AB8FC08 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2012 17:49:45 -0500 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BMU35886; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:49:45 -0500 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2012 17:49:45 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20224.58120.818911.786289@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:49:44 -0500 To: Waitman Gobble In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:49:46 -0000 Waitman Gobble writes: > > Im new to freebsd 8.2 and the unix world. How do i setup dns to > > support my domain > > You probably want to use ISC bind in /usr/ports/dns BIND is part of the base system. > I recommend you read the O'Reilly book DNS and BIND. Agreed. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 22:55:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4AB106564A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:55:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198E28FC12 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2012 17:55:00 -0500 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BGN06370; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:55:00 -0500 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2012 17:54:59 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:54:59 -0500 To: Walter Alejandro Iglesias In-Reply-To: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:55:01 -0000 Walter Alejandro Iglesias writes: > Time ago I made the attempt to setup my own DNS in the same > machine I had my web server running. DNS was the only thing I > was not able to automatically update in the system with my > scripts each time a new customer purchased a service. It would > be wonderful for me if you or anyone here at least confirm me if > it is really possible. What is possible - updating using scripts, or running BIND on the same machine as a web server (presumably Apache)? While I'm sure someone has written them, I don't know of any scripts that will "update" (whatever that means) BIND configuration files that are included either as part of the base system or as ports. However, running BIND and Apache is certainly possible - the machine I'm typing this on does exactly that. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 23:01:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8D01065672 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:01:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from smtpauth14.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth14.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DFDE8FC13 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11205 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2012 22:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (71.170.154.177) by smtpauth14.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.39) with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2012 22:34:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4F00DF83.9050505@computer.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:34:43 -0600 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lyubomir Grigorov References: <4F00C6EC.30100@computer.org> <201201011323.46165.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> In-Reply-To: <201201011323.46165.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 OpenPGP: url=http://www.ravenlock.us/keys/pub_schuele.pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigAEDD9F939BAAB8A3C545BA06" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad w500 microphone with Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: e.schuele@computer.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:01:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigAEDD9F939BAAB8A3C545BA06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/01/2012 15:23, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: > I assume you are using Skype with linuxator? In this case, are the soun= d=20 > devices in Skype set to "OSS"? From the PC-BSD forum, the following got= sound=20 > working for me, since OSS wasn't showing as an option: hmm. well. thats a good quesiton (with linuxulator?) now that you mention it. The port is marked BROKEN. and if you unmark it as such you can't get the distfiles. So I pulled them off a machine I had it one from some time (years?) back and built it. It built fine. Runs fine. Digging into var/db/pkg/skype* ... +CONTENTS says linux this and that.... so I'd dare to say yes then. There does not seem to be a config option in Skype that I can find to set it to use OSS. Just says '/dev/dsp' and /dev/dsp0'. >=20 > # pkg_add -r linux-f10-alsa-plugins-oss > # cp /compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/pcm-oss.conf-dist=20 > /compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/ >=20 I'm not seeing the above in the ports tree. :/ > Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) --------------enigAEDD9F939BAAB8A3C545BA06 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8A34MACgkQngSDRM3IXUqB3QCg0oTX+4hJAhKeMaIla2gGzW0s uWgAoLM6c/Tj5/pAKAJjvJGqrQXrCnpB =lvsI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigAEDD9F939BAAB8A3C545BA06-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 23:25:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66B51065672 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BA88FC08 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so35828695iad.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:24:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Zx5eKpTagMhYyESIkXO1s9hxuBZ2HglZQaD0EuKmLIE=; b=KM4ntrMeM08a+960tAJKW2ZK4QxNwd/WfaYNLhmL3notzCFugdaXgSFQHguSlFkfLI mAcokTKSS8aRKj086fy6xnSpahsYlXumJDWszRAar7THFXvyHgxh/PO7pV7jSfj9XDm/ AgzNglDZ2C/F1Be4BRJC1BS1CcWyXY6qcJLpY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.168.197 with SMTP id x5mr7842756icy.6.1325460299754; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.31.65 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:24:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:24:59 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:25:00 -0000 On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Walter Alejandro Iglesias writes: > > > Time ago I made the attempt to setup my own DNS in the same > > machine I had my web server running. DNS was the only thing I > > was not able to automatically update in the system with my > > scripts each time a new customer purchased a service. It would > > be wonderful for me if you or anyone here at least confirm me if > > it is really possible. > > What is possible - updating using scripts, or running BIND on > the same machine as a web server (presumably Apache)? > While I'm sure someone has written them, I don't know of any > scripts that will "update" (whatever that means) BIND configuration > files that are included either as part of the base system or as > ports. > However, running BIND and Apache is certainly possible - the > machine I'm typing this on does exactly that. > > > Robert Huff > > I agree with Robert, it's generally no problem, at least technically, to run BIND on the same machine. (Unless in certain situations I can think of at the moment) you are running your httpd server on a non-public network behind a firewall, doing certain things with NAT on the router, or running httpd on a "private machine" that only "gets traffic" from a public-facing cache/proxy like squid. These situations don't rule out use but could cause 'looping' or otherwise cause problems depending on how your network and name system is setup. It is better to have more than one machine running name services, if possible. Also a good idea to prohibit zone transfers and recursive lookups, or at least limit very carefully. You should be able to set up a zone update thing for your customers, just keep TTL somewhat short, and update your serial # in the zone so that external caches will pull the updates (using date and/or time is probably best.) And you probably don't want the daemon/nobody httpd user fooling around with the zone files or named process directly so it's best to set a signal in your script like 'touch /tmp/updatebind' or something and have a cron job check for the 'signal'. Waitman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 23:45:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C4A106566C for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D794A8FC0A for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so14594430wib.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:45:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=1cAw7HGGym2rTGT2aaiZdqkP/BWhiH/9iUzA0elHJgA=; b=vFrXi4rSTHk5u+ce1ijj/y0dL6SkR9bC82zvKFOT7wRaGDrK65BSCkyBGZmnm4oM56 FrLoF5qrhGpT5SCLIBBZQ/Cvr/0kfdcHbKk9EBzqIjcYmJOvuu252CY7du2wFsON2S7l BAEBfb1/Yu4uYTuF0bj2Qt32PP0DYyrhQJDLs= Received: by 10.180.75.7 with SMTP id y7mr4791486wiv.2.1325461512281; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([80.31.138.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g26sm22147640wbo.16.2012.01.01.15.45.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:45:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:45:04 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120101234504.GA55393@chancha.local> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:45:15 -0000 On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 05:54:59PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: > > Walter Alejandro Iglesias writes: > > > Time ago I made the attempt to setup my own DNS in the same > > machine I had my web server running. DNS was the only thing I > > was not able to automatically update in the system with my > > scripts each time a new customer purchased a service. It would > > be wonderful for me if you or anyone here at least confirm me if > > it is really possible. > > What is possible - updating using scripts, or running BIND on > the same machine as a web server (presumably Apache)? > While I'm sure someone has written them, I don't know of any > scripts that will "update" (whatever that means) BIND configuration > files that are included either as part of the base system or as > ports. > However, running BIND and Apache is certainly possible - the > machine I'm typing this on does exactly that. > > > Robert Huff > I wrote a bunch of sh scripts to update sendmail, apache, add system users, etc. Those scripts were executed by cron. I wrote a simple php client panel too. So, the sh scripts read the data from mysql (I wrote those scripts originally in Slackware and more late I left unfinished its migration to freebsd) and updated the system. For updating BIND I meant that the scripts (using sed) add zones in the zone files and restart bind, in the same way they add new virtual server entries in httpd.conf and restart apache. Sure, like you say, it is possible "running" BIND and Apache. But, is it possible|convenient that the name server "reside" in the same machine that host (with apache) the domain names served by it? Perhaps you find stupid my question, but believe me, I am lost :-). Or to simplify the question, what is needed to run a DNS? What I know: Edit the zone files. Run bind. Register the names ns1.mysite.com, ns2..., (some trick here?) Obviously adding them to the registrar of the domains served. Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 1 23:58:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB67106567E for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:58:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5984A8FC08 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so25922727wgb.31 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:58:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=r1XcYc2Ivl5HHqwz0Vt7Q9J6FBm+3y6SzzlQW5m9Y5o=; b=kaR45DNr/fnU9Z9kviLHuV/lI5NAj10GPcAeC8yeYve170ShgOYlzma0cqk5HzidW6 TYdX1PDbdYZDJjq06sdL5B8NDZTwO/HcFLOh+V27WqU6MjdI4V+qMLyNmWfHa/X93feC qYgnno5xKt+pNJ+Z0Ur/jptZEvHGj9veIStpo= Received: by 10.227.59.203 with SMTP id m11mr46020988wbh.18.1325462331254; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([80.31.138.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fi6sm106001320wib.2.2012.01.01.15.58.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:58:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:58:43 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120101235843.GB55393@chancha.local> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:58:53 -0000 On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 03:24:59PM -0800, Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > > > > Walter Alejandro Iglesias writes: > > > > > Time ago I made the attempt to setup my own DNS in the same > > > machine I had my web server running. DNS was the only thing I > > > was not able to automatically update in the system with my > > > scripts each time a new customer purchased a service. It would > > > be wonderful for me if you or anyone here at least confirm me if > > > it is really possible. > > > > What is possible - updating using scripts, or running BIND on > > the same machine as a web server (presumably Apache)? > > While I'm sure someone has written them, I don't know of any > > scripts that will "update" (whatever that means) BIND configuration > > files that are included either as part of the base system or as > > ports. > > However, running BIND and Apache is certainly possible - the > > machine I'm typing this on does exactly that. > > > > > > Robert Huff > > > > > I agree with Robert, it's generally no problem, at least technically, to > run BIND on the same machine. (Unless in certain situations I can think of > at the moment) you are running your httpd server on a non-public network > behind a firewall, doing certain things with NAT on the router, or running > httpd on a "private machine" that only "gets traffic" from a public-facing > cache/proxy like squid. These situations don't rule out use but could cause > 'looping' or otherwise cause problems depending on how your network and > name system is setup. > > It is better to have more than one machine running name services, if > possible. Also a good idea to prohibit zone transfers and recursive > lookups, or at least limit very carefully. > > You should be able to set up a zone update thing for your customers, just > keep TTL somewhat short, and update your serial # in the zone so that > external caches will pull the updates (using date and/or time is probably > best.) And you probably don't want the daemon/nobody httpd user fooling > around with the zone files or named process directly so it's best to set a > signal in your script like 'touch /tmp/updatebind' or something and have a > cron job check for the 'signal'. > > Waitman Thanks Waitman, The true is I am a bit lost, perhaps (here is late, 00:54) I am a bit hungry and tired :-). I will dinner, sleep and tomorrow morning with a fresh mind I will reread carefully this last message. I'll buy the book you advised too. Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 00:26:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE64106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:26:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4284E8FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so35881699iad.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:26:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=1U9o7BKXPFt5eXx/DnQVqQmnIlUfBrbBNbasOp7gfkg=; b=fyUBtGmXYh2UGz6d7buIp86I9WaQx2zdkJqTES3JCi9Cb8W6eTrYu/9aC/hwkBo3xZ LannppgqyDuC7qKTomaKIhmHBUmR626aeAsbC5nsKnC8ujWHpnfS4923+omUB4Be03uC LkAmVxAmnVVGKqr0EaHTjYxT+cp1iBu2gVNfE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.166 with SMTP id w6mr55956486igm.6.1325463998665; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 16:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.31.65 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:26:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120101234504.GA55393@chancha.local> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120101234504.GA55393@chancha.local> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:26:38 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:26:40 -0000 > > > Sure, like you say, it is possible "running" BIND and Apache. > But, is it possible|convenient that the name server "reside" in > the same machine that host (with apache) the domain names served > by it? Perhaps you find stupid my question, but believe me, I > am lost :-). > > Or to simplify the question, what is needed to run a DNS? > What I know: > > Edit the zone files. > Run bind. > Register the names ns1.mysite.com, ns2..., (some trick here?) > Obviously adding them to the registrar of the domains served. > > > Walter > > > > Yes, you can run BIND on the same FreeBSD machine as your web server. You have to have your nameserver listed with internic (for .com and .net - ie, your nameserver has to show up in the NAMESERVER whois (note: different than DOMAIN whois) on http://www.internic.net/whois.html) and also for each TLD you want to provide service for (ie, .org, .mobi, etc etc) . If you are using opensrs it's pretty simple to list your nameserver with local and foreign tlds, but with other Registrars - you'd have to check into the details. It's generally easier to use a local domain for the nameservers (ie, ns1.example.mobi for .mobi domains.) but it is also possible to use foreign nameservers (ie, ns1.example.com to resolve www.example.mobi - is considered "foreign") Waitman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 00:38:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF0A1065670 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:38:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from smtpauth18.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth18.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FA998FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13011 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2012 00:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (71.170.154.177) by smtpauth18.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.31) with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2012 00:37:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4F00FC63.6090703@computer.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:37:55 -0600 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lyubomir Grigorov References: <4F00C6EC.30100@computer.org> <201201011323.46165.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> <4F00DF83.9050505@computer.org> <201201011445.37045.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> In-Reply-To: <201201011445.37045.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 OpenPGP: url=http://www.ravenlock.us/keys/pub_schuele.pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDAB5D906DA3B8C8D73D20F4E" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad w500 microphone with Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: e.schuele@computer.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:38:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDAB5D906DA3B8C8D73D20F4E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/01/2012 16:45, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: > Yes, it does sound like it, as there is no native Skype for FreeBSD, so= you=20 > are using the linux layer. If you are missing OSS from devices, then it= is not=20 > installed. Once you install the port, configure it use OSS. For all 3 d= ropdowns=20 > under the "Devices" settings. >=20 >> I'm not seeing the above in the ports tree. :/ > The port is here: > $ pwd > /usr/ports/audio/linux-f10-alsa-plugins-oss Definitely not in my ports tree. I'm running amd64, and my ports tree is old. Either could be the culprit? I'll update and see what I get. =09 >=20 > -- > Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) > Cheers. --------------enigDAB5D906DA3B8C8D73D20F4E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8A/GMACgkQngSDRM3IXUp3KQCfaRjjXXhUqCM/rj/1NTfYX6na phMAnRSYPqgh9lJGIZi+HXQkKTRzGqEJ =SuOp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDAB5D906DA3B8C8D73D20F4E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 00:43:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B99106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:43:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyubomir@grigorovl.eu) Received: from gateway14.websitewelcome.com (gateway14.websitewelcome.com [69.93.243.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DA88FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 00:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gateway14.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 3E4DBEDEB8FA; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:43:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator1718.hostgator.com (gator1718.hostgator.com [184.173.215.146]) by gateway14.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E50EDEB8D6 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:43:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from [75.36.214.55] (port=63906 helo=neonz.localnet) by gator1718.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RhW0I-0000iZ-Tg; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 18:43:55 -0600 From: Lyubomir Grigorov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, e.schuele@computer.org Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:43:53 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-RC3; KDE/4.7.3; amd64; ; ) References: <4F00C6EC.30100@computer.org> <201201011445.37045.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> <4F00FC63.6090703@computer.org> In-Reply-To: <4F00FC63.6090703@computer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201201011643.53912.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1718.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - grigorovl.eu X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: adsl-75-36-214-55.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net (neonz.localnet) [75.36.214.55]:63906 X-Source-Auth: lyubomir@grigorovl.eu X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: YWxha2F6YW07YWxha2F6YW07Z2F0b3IxNzE4Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Cc: Subject: Re: Thinkpad w500 microphone with Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:43:56 -0000 >Definitely not in my ports tree. I'm running amd64, and my ports tree >is old. Either could be the culprit? I'll update and see what I get Well I update on a daily basis, but I am pretty sure this is an older port. In any case, you know # portsnap fetch # portsnap update P.S. I was interested in a W500, but due to it being ATI, I rather go with T400 or X200 because of the Intel graphics. If no 3D acceleration is fine by you, W500 is a beast by all means. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 02:59:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF86C106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 02:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64EF8FC12 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 02:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2012 21:59:10 -0500 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BMU48118; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:59:09 -0500 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2012 21:59:09 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20225.7549.125364.258625@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:59:09 -0500 To: Walter Alejandro Iglesias In-Reply-To: <20120101234504.GA55393@chancha.local> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120101234504.GA55393@chancha.local> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 02:59:12 -0000 Walter Alejandro Iglesias writes: > Perhaps you find stupid my question, but believe me, I am > lost :-). Where you are now, so once were most of us. :-) > Sure, like you say, it is possible "running" BIND and Apache. > But, is it possible|convenient that the name server "reside" in > the same machine that host (with apache) the domain names served > by it? Possible: I'm doing it. Convenient? Depends on what you consider "convenient" The machine in question only serves a few zones, and only changes its IP occesionally. When it does, I have a script which will change the config file for sshd, and another which changes most (but not all) settings for bind. Elapsed time (assuming I remember all the bits): 5 minutes, plus a re-boot and checking the numbers. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 03:53:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C321065672 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 03:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from e.schuele@computer.org) Received: from smtpauth22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C88188FC17 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 03:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9594 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2012 03:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (71.170.154.177) by smtpauth22.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.44) with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2012 03:53:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4F012A3E.70905@computer.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:53:34 -0600 From: Eric Schuele User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lyubomir Grigorov References: <4F00C6EC.30100@computer.org> <201201011445.37045.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> <4F00FC63.6090703@computer.org> <201201011643.53912.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> In-Reply-To: <201201011643.53912.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 OpenPGP: url=http://www.ravenlock.us/keys/pub_schuele.pgp Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig929D45D75F01FA0FA4891FCA" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thinkpad w500 microphone with Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: e.schuele@computer.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 03:53:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig929D45D75F01FA0FA4891FCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/01/2012 18:43, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: >> Definitely not in my ports tree. I'm running amd64, and my ports tree= >> is old. Either could be the culprit? I'll update and see what I get > Well I update on a daily basis, but I am pretty sure this is an older p= ort. In=20 > any case, you know >=20 > # portsnap fetch > # portsnap update After updating... still not there. No package available either. :/ >=20 > P.S. I was interested in a W500, but due to it being ATI, I rather go w= ith=20 > T400 or X200 because of the Intel graphics. If no 3D acceleration is fi= ne by > you, W500 is a beast by all means. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" >=20 >=20 --------------enig929D45D75F01FA0FA4891FCA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8BKj4ACgkQngSDRM3IXUpDVwCgyo0/60yuzsJgos4waILsiqzt ydYAoKhBQZCAwWWNt/seyvsc/n4mRuOR =bBoW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig929D45D75F01FA0FA4891FCA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 05:30:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37136106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevinz5000@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E147B8FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so13004498ggn.13 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:30:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AMxgHZYmkOWdkXTUc04idbMBusV5Vmc4nFUZjJ7jJLU=; b=V3a1bllX9Yj8zcSjRMh97iaaLtE+2dB5r63uEYC8FEpIvcR0VZ8Fq1czQH2Pq6RYWC 94lHu70mZrOaBt3/e2Llk1q2HkXxQ7D8D3OlrhGIcgNQeINeDwuwA1u6HjRNyWRaLbub llDvrs0stQefJoeUOsscPvddHhWNo7wK18HQQ= Received: by 10.236.9.106 with SMTP id 70mr19160028yhs.118.1325482202242; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] ([99.189.76.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f47sm67522878yhh.8.2012.01.01.21.30.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:30:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0140E2.7000401@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:30:10 -0600 From: Kevin Zheng User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120102025922.813F0106575A@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20120102025922.813F0106575A@hub.freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 OpenPGP: id=5EBE6447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:30:03 -0000 Hello, I've been using FreeBSD as a local nameserver (with my own .local domains!) for quite some time. FreeBSD comes with a name server already installed; you don't need to get it from the ports, although I'm not sure what difference it makes. The one that comes with FreeBSD can be enabled with named_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf. The configuration files are in /etc/namedb/. Getting a book about BIND really helps learning it. The examples are especially useful. BIND can be a little daunting to learn, but it all clicks in the end. If you want to use BIND for mass hosting, you can consider hooking BIND up to MySQL or a similar database. I haven't personally tried it, so I cannot vouch for it to work. It may be what you're looking for, though. You can have a look at this link: http://mysql-bind.sourceforge.net/. Hopefully, this helps. Sincerely, Kevin Zheng From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 06:00:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E021065673 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from coco@executive-computing.de) Received: from mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1CB8FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.moehre.org (unknown [195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2268B141C; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:42:54 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.964 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.964 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, AWL=0.036, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=disabled Received: from mail.moehre.org ([195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zSTnfiu4bJhV; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:42:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.100.30] (p54B0AD46.dip.t-dialin.net [84.176.173.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: coco@executive-computing.de) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2BCE8B1424; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:42:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F0143C8.1080800@executive-computing.de> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:42:32 +0100 From: Marco Steinbach User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dennis Glatting References: <1325346752.35403.65.camel@btw.pki2.com> In-Reply-To: <1325346752.35403.65.camel@btw.pki2.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU MHz discrepency X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:00:39 -0000 Dennis Glatting wrote on 31.12.2011 16:52: > Curios here. > > My BIOS reports my CPU at 4,023 MHz but when FreeBSD boots it says > "3973.35-MHz." How is this determined? Seems like an off-by-one error > somewhere. > > MB: ASUS Crosshair V FORMULA, latest BIOS, overclocked. > > dmesg output: > > Tasha> dmesg > Copyright (c) 1992-2011 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights > reserved. > FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. > FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #7: Fri Dec 30 18:15:12 PST 2011 > root@Tasha:/disk-1/src/sys/amd64/compile/TASHA amd64 > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 > CPU: AMD FX(tm)-8150 Eight-Core Processor (3973.35-MHz > K8-class CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x600f12 Family = 15 Model = 1 > Stepping = 2 In your case you might want to take a look at the printcpuinfo function in ${SRC_BASE}/sys/md64/amd64/identcpu.c for starters. Especially the CPUCLASS_K8 case in the second switch statement. MfG CoCo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 06:04:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359AD106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F056B8FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2012 01:04:16 -0500 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BMU54169; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 01:04:16 -0500 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2012 01:04:15 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20225.18655.573394.533514@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 01:04:15 -0500 To: Kevin Zheng In-Reply-To: <4F0140E2.7000401@gmail.com> References: <20120102025922.813F0106575A@hub.freebsd.org> <4F0140E2.7000401@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:04:17 -0000 Kevin Zheng writes: > FreeBSD comes with a name server already installed; you don't > need to get it from the ports, although I'm not sure what > difference it makes. The version in ports is a later issue in te BIND 9.* series. If the difference is important to you, you probably aren't contributing to this conversarion. :-) (While the version in base being slightly earlier is in keeping with the general FreeBSD philosophy, I believe it gets all the security updates.) Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 06:19:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AAFD106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from coco@executive-computing.de) Received: from mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579E18FC12 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.moehre.org (unknown [195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEF88B1423; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 07:19:15 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.963 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.963 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, AWL=0.037, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=disabled Received: from mail.moehre.org ([195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3RPU0F77zsdF; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 07:19:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.100.30] (p54B0AD46.dip.t-dialin.net [84.176.173.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: coco@executive-computing.de) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F81D8B141C; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 07:19:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F014C4D.80001@executive-computing.de> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 07:18:53 +0100 From: Marco Steinbach User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janos Dohanics References: <20111231135633.02c92213.web@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <20111231135633.02c92213.web@3dresearch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: buildworld error 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:19:17 -0000 Janos Dohanics wrote on 31.12.2011 19:56: > Buildworld stopped with this error (with updated source): > > [...] > cc "-O3" -DNEED_SOLARIS_BOOLEAN [...] > > I have posted the build log at > http://wwwp.3dresearch.com/ALMAVIVA2011123101_buildworld > > Would you please advise? Quoting /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf: # CFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C code. # Note that optimization settings other than -O and -O2 are not recommended # or supported for compiling the world or the kernel - please revert any # nonstandard optimization settings to "-O" or "-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing" # before submitting bug reports without patches to the developers. The error you're seeing is a result from using O3 for building the source in question -- At least my 8.2-STABLE ran into the same problem, once I used O3, instead of the default '-O2 -pipe'. MfG CoCo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 06:55:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2607106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80E9F8FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23202 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2012 06:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2012 06:55:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=rQnwIyRHOqOONWWUcEGuK/mby+rWq3CrllQjTIXCUI0=; b=jt4Z71nmndI8dbM1Q34on1MfCgGmI3PH/0dVYXIGsDeqbFyK/3yTAjLaKdIK/0tnTHmElb76btueZ76DvGy7FAxpuqabkFBBi096EvC3HlN2IF7lDED2IA0vM541sRbY; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhbnr-0005KA-GG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:55:27 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:55:49 -0000 On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > > > > If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and others > > (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats 5) years. > > I am not sure what "parouse" means. There are a Shane, Dawn and Nicole > Parouse. Are you referring to them? Perhaps you meant "peruse". I think you had no doubt at all that "Da Rock" meant "peruse" here, and you should check whether the walls of your house are made of durable material before you start throwing stones. Check, for instance, you habitual inability to properly use apostrophes to indicate the possessive form of a word, or your error in using the plural form "phenomena" where the singular "phenomenon" is appropriate. These observations of your relative illiteracy come from a single paragraph, by the way, but until I saw your "play dumb to call someone dumb" approach to discussion, I felt it appropriate to point out your own failings along the same lines -- not because these specific failings invalidate anything else you say, but because you're kind of a mean-spirited little hypocrite. In short, trying to paint people who disagree with you in the colors of stupidity for a single spelling error when your errors are fairly numerous is not a winning strategy. > > I tend not to include Ubuntu since they have made huge strides in > making hardware work correctly under their environment. Seems strange > that they can achieve what FreeBSD considers either unobtainable or > unnecessary (sour grapes). > > {OK, let the "blame game" begin -- after all, it is ALWAYS someone > elses fault} That must be why you blame everything you perceive as a problem in regards to open source software on "sour grapes". > > > > I'm sorry but I'm really pissed off tonight and you're attitude is > > really rubbing me the wrong way. If you want to be best mates with > > Gates and his horde then by all means... but this is a genuine > > discussion in an attempt to resolve _these_ issues, and clarify > > points as to why things are a certain way. If you don't agree, then > > be silent and ignore what you perceive to be crap, or at the very > > least _try_ not to be so aggressive and offensive. A lot of us on > > this list do this as common courtesy. > > Ah, there we are. That good old socialist/fascist call to arms, > "You're either with us, or against us." I think the statement was more like "Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass who likes making trouble," rather than "Down with the bourgeoisie!" I just figured I'd help clarify. > > You so clearly define what is the basic problem with FreeBSD in > general. The "sour grapes" attitude is so clearly self evident. You > would rather spend your time defending something that doesn't work as > fully functional as it could be if the developers stopped patting > themselves on the back for accomplishing what other OSs had already > done 3 or more years earlier and rather attempted to bring the OS on > par with those competing OSs. What do you define with your "hanging around sniping at people and sabotaging discussions" attitude? In the years I have been on this list, it seems like you have demonstrated a rabid hatred of all things related to FreeBSD and most things related to open source software in general, which makes me wonder why you hang around this mailing list. If I hated something that much, I would avoid it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 09:03:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA1C1065670 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54EF98FC0C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4061 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2012 09:02:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2012 09:02:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=Zafyi8vRaEytELtZ6Y3FhpOnGf0CrLzGU44VnWEVo1o=; b=T1cJPAMai3PiYTPF4cn2rhUoPPSkDXBfvuHKIeO2frrW9XpjKYIGaQlpMJKfe1NTtwtMO8QjaPd47r1tJnqMHSGre6mIZJPfAAluimTG2xzwsUm3SPgYux0HCroyJrLI; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhdn8-0005si-0j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 02:02:50 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 02:02:47 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120102090247.GA18573@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:03:12 -0000 On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 11:55:26PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > > > > > > If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and others > > > (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats 5) years. > > > > I am not sure what "parouse" means. There are a Shane, Dawn and Nicole > > Parouse. Are you referring to them? Perhaps you meant "peruse". > > I think you had no doubt at all that "Da Rock" meant "peruse" here, and > you should check whether the walls of your house are made of durable > material before you start throwing stones. Check, for instance, you > habitual inability to properly use apostrophes to indicate the possessive . . . and, of course, I have a typo right there in the sentence following my admonition against throwing stones while living in a glass house. It's a common problem. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 10:04:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39177106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020978FC12 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 10:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (pool-96-236-238-95.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [96.236.238.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA14286ADA; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fracasso.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E924F5DB0; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:04:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:04:30 -0500 From: Janos Dohanics To: Marco Steinbach Message-Id: <20120102050430.f2074796.web@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <4F014C4D.80001@executive-computing.de> References: <20111231135633.02c92213.web@3dresearch.com> <4F014C4D.80001@executive-computing.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: buildworld error 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:04:52 -0000 On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 07:18:53 +0100 Marco Steinbach wrote: > Janos Dohanics wrote on 31.12.2011 19:56: > > Buildworld stopped with this error (with updated source): > > > > [...] > > cc "-O3" -DNEED_SOLARIS_BOOLEAN > [...] > > > > I have posted the build log at > > http://wwwp.3dresearch.com/ALMAVIVA2011123101_buildworld > > > > Would you please advise? > > Quoting /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf: > > # CFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C code. > # Note that optimization settings other than -O and -O2 are not > # recommended or supported for compiling the world or the kernel - > # please revert any nonstandard optimization settings to "-O" or "-O2 > # -fno-strict-aliasing" before submitting bug reports without patches > # to the developers. > > The error you're seeing is a result from using O3 for building the > source in question -- At least my 8.2-STABLE ran into the same > problem, once I used O3, instead of the default '-O2 -pipe'. > > MfG CoCo Thank you, there was indeed the line CFLAGS="-O3" in make.conf, after I have commented it out, I could build world. I'm wondering how was my make.conf changed though; I'm sure I did not add CFLAGS="-O3" - is it possible that one of the ports have added this? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 11:58:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C451106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA63B8FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so14932892wib.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 03:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.131.72 with SMTP id l50mr31910944wei.28.1325505517684; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 03:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f19sm29608215wbo.13.2012.01.02.03.58.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 03:58:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F019BEB.6050701@my.gd> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:58:35 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Mullins References: <4EF9F395.6030302@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: SOLVED - Re: KERNEL - knowing what programs use/need modules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:58:39 -0000 On 1/1/12 9:10 AM, Matt Mullins wrote: > On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Now, I'm wondering why in the world a server would need umass, ums and cam ? >> >> My understanding is that ums is the USB mouse, which we're never going >> to need. >> >> Umass would be USB mass storage, which again we're never going to need. > > You appear to be correct with these two. My gut tells me these types > of things would be loaded when the corresponding devices are plugged > into the system, but if that's wrong, surely someone here will speak > up. > >> Regarding CAM I have absolutely no idea why the module is loaded either. > > That's the SCSI/ATA subsystem; if this is the only of your firewalls > to have this module, perhaps it has different disk adapter hardware > than the others or another sysadmin decided to load it manually? > They use mfi, like a few others which do not have CAM loaded. The best part is, after rebooting these firewalls on their new 8.2-RELEASE-p5 kernel, they haven't loaded neither of UMS, UMASS, or CAM, although I've clearly built them: MODULES_OVERRIDE=cam geom/geom_label if_lagg linprocfs linsysfs linux mfi/mfi_linux usb/umass usb/ums I doubt another admin would have loaded them manually, they don't touch the "freebsd stuff" very often ;) Ah well, I guess I'll just leave it at that. For anyone reading this thread, Matt's suggestion of using lsof to find what files/binaries could be using the devices seems to be the best one. Ty for the input Matt. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 12:03:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F349A106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:03:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1CF8FC13 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:03:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2F135C21 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:15:46 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F019C3D.9030209@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:59:57 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: nss_ldap and the linuxulator X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:03:20 -0000 I've just run into this snag again which I've resolved back in 7.x/8.1: the linuxulator cannot handle nss lookups from ldap. I ran a search for nss_ldap fedora 10 and simply extracted from the rpm the libnss_ldap*.so* in the usr/lib into the corresponding directory under /compat/linux. One then only has to copy or setup the ldap.conf in /compat/linux/etc/ and change /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf so the it will check files and ldap as in the base. It works a charm when you have issues like the missus with acroread and others not working inexplicably. Run acroread from the command line will give you the clue: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id. This solution does fix this categorically. I hope this helps others, but I do have one question: why isn't this included in the ports already? I still haven't yet figured out cups and printer selection yet, but I have made some progress... :) Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 12:16:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C796D106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from coco@executive-computing.de) Received: from mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7428FC12 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.moehre.org (unknown [195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45AF8B1423; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:16:21 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.963 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.963 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, AWL=0.037, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=disabled Received: from mail.moehre.org ([195.96.35.7]) by mail.moehre.org (mail.moehre.org [195.96.35.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93pfZoUdMiBf; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:16:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.100.30] (p54B0AD46.dip.t-dialin.net [84.176.173.70]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: coco@executive-computing.de) by mail.moehre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0C6F8B141C; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:16:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F019FFF.5020909@executive-computing.de> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:15:59 +0100 From: Marco Steinbach User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janos Dohanics References: <20111231135633.02c92213.web@3dresearch.com> <4F014C4D.80001@executive-computing.de> <20120102050430.f2074796.web@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <20120102050430.f2074796.web@3dresearch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: buildworld error 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:16:22 -0000 Janos Dohanics wrote on 02.01.2012 11:04: > On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 07:18:53 +0100 > Marco Steinbach wrote: > >> Janos Dohanics wrote on 31.12.2011 19:56: >>> Buildworld stopped with this error (with updated source): >>> >>> [...] >>> cc "-O3" -DNEED_SOLARIS_BOOLEAN >> [...] >>> I have posted the build log at >>> http://wwwp.3dresearch.com/ALMAVIVA2011123101_buildworld >>> >>> Would you please advise? >> Quoting /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf: >> >> # CFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C code. >> # Note that optimization settings other than -O and -O2 are not >> # recommended or supported for compiling the world or the kernel - >> # please revert any nonstandard optimization settings to "-O" or "-O2 >> # -fno-strict-aliasing" before submitting bug reports without patches >> # to the developers. >> >> The error you're seeing is a result from using O3 for building the >> source in question -- At least my 8.2-STABLE ran into the same >> problem, once I used O3, instead of the default '-O2 -pipe'. >> >> MfG CoCo > > Thank you, there was indeed the line CFLAGS="-O3" in make.conf, after I > have commented it out, I could build world. > > I'm wondering how was my make.conf changed though; I'm sure I did not > add CFLAGS="-O3" - is it possible that one of the ports have added this? Although, as far as I can tell, not explicitly forbidden in the porter's handbook, I think that to be highly unlikely in the case of CFLAGS. The least I'd expect would be some kind notice, if so intrusive a change is done deliberately. If I'd suspect a port fiddling with /etc/make.conf, I'd probably go looking for entries carrying a timestamp close to /etc/make.confs in /var/db/pkg. Of course, this largely depends on what happened in between the time of actual modification and me noticing, but I think that's the first thing I'd do. MfG CoCo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 12:57:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730D9106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:57:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EC98FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so26376491wgb.31 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:57:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=TkclH4QM0vjbEWbsVkLleJwcHx8UogNM0igGNuz8Nxw=; b=PaRrGYlUy1CKrJz5YJTUh6PNc5JLY8ugR9J9FeHtUDYP8nKgC4js31FHz8bS4PUjR/ KQS1Sv+MxeC1o3dlJgn/2kO+PdVK7JySNwDXCNdqvrpq1xoPzKf/JH4ifniJlIQxHI8n t8nsnB9KO9n73tkeuP8Aj1t/+CuENwQgc1eZE= Received: by 10.227.200.71 with SMTP id ev7mr47981441wbb.24.1325509037749; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (39.Red-88-17-166.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net. [88.17.166.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q34sm36573675wbm.15.2012.01.02.04.57.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:57:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:57:14 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120102125714.GA1375@chancha.local> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120101234504.GA55393@chancha.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:57:20 -0000 On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 04:26:38PM -0800, Waitman Gobble wrote: > You have to have your nameserver listed with internic (for .com and .net - > ie, your nameserver has to show up in the NAMESERVER whois (note: different > than DOMAIN whois) on http://www.internic.net/whois.html) and also for each This is exactly the point I missed. At that opportunity I searched in all places except in the right one. > > Waitman I am very grateful. Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 13:31:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6516B106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2718FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so13088558ggn.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.131.97 with SMTP id l61mr62956855yhi.52.1325511077117; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm68994922yhl.15.2012.01.02.05.31.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:31:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TGznZ3Jpzz2CG5x for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 08:31:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 08:31:14 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUAAABYRlwJCw4FAgAIBwKprDkBAQFQLR0BAgCir7VRttp8AAACAUlEQVQ4jZWUTYvbMBCGTVl8V2hX6Gg5G5FbWQdBj0lEfE7BhN4cyzi5Wt1E5L70roWy6N92xok/skkP+5IYrMcz78xIduDWpNM3vFzuA/jX5EY1AI6KHFwW/CzFuQAwqUBbV12p+CzIh6Awq7sg33pn5D64SQXAexffeuQlA/L35RrkaB551OjGfP/cAO8mCNaDcgvfky5ijoD0pAXlCQCnljiAjsJD9Ax05Ko5sZxbnLQcmM+dZg5IjREfZrWIHK0JuwU68pAGwHvfRxBundRzTxxz3r9dNUikPsEihjz2Dc4kjp1hKsJGuot4EDxaxzMoC7XqhxhOSfZrTS6gSX1JVdjp+o1PvWfekXgw3WL0g70nDEwA0H0HQsEZc8sTmFMTkWUfYWC/vdR1zQy3xLQgLwzu90QnlnFLjeiGWBjwhb4Sa42IqOg2qqS4O1/zhKokFUb1Q8Rj4Eb69WVflXEehJ35DgChVTE5n50eaGyMLOfH8AOodoSM4PVYAQgQdBulOa+knklYks3vAuQ+uX492lTl+A+e8qBV2AKoXalVKFfyuUp0pUp1ARaUHh82lv9MN+Ig7CZtgE6FNYvjlywT2VP2dMgOG46gTIWcqdfvuwyXNz0oMJNd/N5lh1YNiJt19ADTUo3VuFSNeQwVqRSrGjSCp53fk2g+Mvfk/gfoPxHeUS8MH9vRAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:31:18 -0000 On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > > > > > > If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and > > > others (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats > > > 5) years. > > > > I am not sure what "parouse" means. There are a Shane, Dawn and > > Nicole Parouse. Are you referring to them? Perhaps you meant > > "peruse". > > I think you had no doubt at all that "Da Rock" meant "peruse" here, > and you should check whether the walls of your house are made of > durable material before you start throwing stones. Check, for > instance, you habitual inability to properly use apostrophes to > indicate the possessive form of a word, or your error in using the > plural form "phenomena" where the singular "phenomenon" is > appropriate. These observations of your relative illiteracy come > from a single paragraph, by the way, but until I saw your "play dumb > to call someone dumb" approach to discussion, I felt it appropriate > to point out your own failings along the same lines -- not because > these specific failings invalidate anything else you say, but because > you're kind of a mean-spirited little hypocrite. I specifically asked "Da Rock" in regards to "parouse" since I am not familiar with what country he is from or what he considers his native language. It is very possible that the word he used is native to his region and therefore I wanted to inquire further. Furthermore, before you make a complete ass of yourself, please check out this URL: > In short, trying to paint people who disagree with you in the colors > of stupidity for a single spelling error when your errors are fairly > numerous is not a winning strategy. Win what, I was not aware it was a game. Maybe that is the problem; you are too busy playing games rather than actually completing bona fide projects. > > I tend not to include Ubuntu since they have made huge strides in > > making hardware work correctly under their environment. Seems > > strange that they can achieve what FreeBSD considers either > > unobtainable or unnecessary (sour grapes). > > > > {OK, let the "blame game" begin -- after all, it is ALWAYS someone > > elses fault} > > That must be why you blame everything you perceive as a problem in > regards to open source software on "sour grapes". > > > > I'm sorry but I'm really pissed off tonight and you're attitude is > > > really rubbing me the wrong way. If you want to be best mates with > > > Gates and his horde then by all means... but this is a genuine > > > discussion in an attempt to resolve _these_ issues, and clarify > > > points as to why things are a certain way. If you don't agree, > > > then be silent and ignore what you perceive to be crap, or at the > > > very least _try_ not to be so aggressive and offensive. A lot of > > > us on this list do this as common courtesy. > > > > Ah, there we are. That good old socialist/fascist call to arms, > > "You're either with us, or against us." > > I think the statement was more like "Someone who calls it 'open sore' > is clearly a mean-spirited jackass who likes making trouble," rather > than "Down with the bourgeoisie!" I just figured I'd help clarify. Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a Windows based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" etcetera are freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms like: "Winblows", "Microsucks", etcetera are freely used. Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why it is morally correct to use one set of terms but not the other? It is either right or it is wrong. You cannot be slightly pregnant. I personally find such terms morally repugnant; however, since they are commonly used on this forum it appears that they are socially acceptable. Would you not concur or are you going to try and bullshit your way out of this one? > > You so clearly define what is the basic problem with FreeBSD in > > general. The "sour grapes" attitude is so clearly self evident. You > > would rather spend your time defending something that doesn't work > > as fully functional as it could be if the developers stopped patting > > themselves on the back for accomplishing what other OSs had already > > done 3 or more years earlier and rather attempted to bring the OS on > > par with those competing OSs. > > What do you define with your "hanging around sniping at people and > sabotaging discussions" attitude? In the years I have been on this > list, it seems like you have demonstrated a rabid hatred of all > things related to FreeBSD and most things related to open source > software in general, which makes me wonder why you hang around this > mailing list. I have a morbid hatred of those who suffer from decidophobia. However, after restudying the matter, I think it more likely that the real problem is an irrational fear of success. If only Microsoft was able to accomplish things like easily getting a printer fully functional under its environment, making sound or video or wireless cards work without in all too many cases resorting to draconian measures, and the list goes on, I would agree with you. However, we (and by we I am assuming that you haven't got your head buried so far up your ass that you are not aware of what is transpiring on other Operating Systems) are both aware that, that is not the case. Linux in general and Ubuntu in particular have made huge strides in making computers easier to use and opening up the path for better, easier and more advanced software to be installed. There is a commonly held truism, "If you are not the lead dog of the pack, the view never changes." Now if you are happy playing "follow the leader" and watch their balls dangle in your face, then fine. Personally, I want to be in the lead. As soon as anyone steps up and remarks about FreeBSD's standing in the desktop market, they are immediately met with the "Blame the {fill in the blank}" choir. I am now officially renaming that the "Sour Grapes Posse". -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 13:31:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5E21065675 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sykadul@astalavista.com) Received: from cfe1.sui-inter.net (cfe1.sui-inter.net [80.74.150.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E2A8FC1D for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19809 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2012 14:31:47 +0100 Date: 2 Jan 2012 14:31:47 +0100 Message-ID: <20120102133147.19807.qmail@cfe1.sui-inter.net> From: sykadul@astalavista.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:31:50 -0000 Ladies and gentleman, I will be unplugged from my email until the 17th of January. 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[80.126.205.144]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a60sm191763027eeb.4.2012.01.02.05.58.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:58:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F01B81E.1070802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:58:54 +0100 From: Johan Hendriks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mailing list and personal assaults X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:58:59 -0000 I as a normal sys admin like to read the mailing lists, because it learned me a lot, and it still does. But lately it looks like more and more people get personal! The word ass, has passed this year even more then i used my own. Maybe it is the time we live in, but please ! If you are not agree with someone's statement or thoughts, ignore it or write your thoughts and be done with it. regards Johan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 14:01:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A132D106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from suiyuan@suiyuan.de) Received: from mail.a4a.de (mail.a4a.de [178.63.189.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4181F8FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web.a4a.de ([178.63.189.68]) by mail.a4a.de with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhiGn-0005WD-WC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:49:52 +0100 Received: from www-data by web.a4a.de with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhiGm-0007f5-3q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:49:44 +0100 To: FreeBSD X-PHP-Originating-Script: 0:func.inc Received: from host-188-174-189-254.customer.m-online.net ([188.174.189.254]) by webmail.a4a.de with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:49:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:49:44 +0100 From: "Thorsten Schaefer (Yang Lean)" Message-ID: X-Sender: suiyuan@suiyuan.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.5.3 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM, SPF_FAIL, SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Subject: acpi problem on dell latitude d830 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:01:12 -0000 Hello, I'm still investigating the problem with my dell latitude d830 notebook. ACPI states S3 and S4 don't work... Here comes dmesg: xueyu@monopohl:~% dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2011 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #2: Wed Dec 14 03:15:04 CET 2011 root@:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MONOPOHL i386 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHz (1994.44-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6fd Family = 6 Model = f Stepping = 13 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0xe3bd AMD Features=0x20100000 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) avail memory = 2081214464 (1984 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 acpi0: reservation of 0, 9f000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, 7f55b800 (3) failed Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 vgapci0: port 0xefe8-0xefef mem 0xfea00000-0xfeafffff,0xe0000000-0xefffffff irq 16 at device 2.0 on pci0 agp0: on vgapci0 agp0: aperture size is 256M, detected 7676k stolen memory vgapci1: mem 0xfeb00000-0xfebfffff at device 2.1 on pci0 uhci0: port 0x6f20-0x6f3f irq 20 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: [ITHREAD] usbus0: on uhci0 uhci1: port 0x6f00-0x6f1f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: [ITHREAD] usbus1: on uhci1 ehci0: mem 0xfed1c400-0xfed1c7ff irq 22 at device 26.7 on pci0 ehci0: [ITHREAD] usbus2: EHCI version 1.0 usbus2: on ehci0 hdac0: mem 0xfe9fc000-0xfe9fffff irq 21 at device 27.0 on pci0 hdac0: HDA Driver Revision: 20100226_0142 hdac0: [ITHREAD] pcib1: at device 28.0 on pci0 pci11: on pcib1 pcib2: at device 28.1 on pci0 pci12: on pcib2 wpi0: mem 0xfe8ff000-0xfe8fffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci12 wpi0: [ITHREAD] pcib3: at device 28.3 on pci0 pci13: on pcib3 pcib4: at device 28.5 on pci0 pci9: on pcib4 bge0: mem 0xfe5f0000-0xfe5fffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci9 bge0: CHIP ID 0x0000a002; ASIC REV 0x0a; CHIP REV 0xa0; PCI-E miibus0: on bge0 brgphy0: PHY 1 on miibus0 brgphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseT, 1000baseT-master, 1000baseT-FDX, 1000baseT-FDX-master, auto, auto-flow bge0: [FILTER] uhci2: port 0x6f80-0x6f9f irq 20 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci2: [ITHREAD] usbus3: on uhci2 uhci3: port 0x6f60-0x6f7f irq 21 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci3: [ITHREAD] usbus4: on uhci3 uhci4: port 0x6f40-0x6f5f irq 22 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci4: [ITHREAD] usbus5: on uhci4 ehci1: mem 0xfed1c000-0xfed1c3ff irq 20 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci1: [ITHREAD] usbus6: EHCI version 1.0 usbus6: on ehci1 pcib5: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib5 cbb0: at device 1.0 on pci3 cardbus0: on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 cbb0: [FILTER] fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem 0xfe4ff000-0xfe4fffff,0xfe4fe800-0xfe4fefff irq 19 at device 1.4 on pci3 fwohci0: [ITHREAD] fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 8. fwohci0: EUI64 35:4f:c0:00:0b:25:ec:70 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 1 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: on fwohci0 dcons_crom0: on firewire0 dcons_crom0: bus_addr 0x1090000 fwe0: on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 36:4f:c0:25:ec:70 fwe0: Ethernet address: 36:4f:c0:25:ec:70 fwip0: on firewire0 fwip0: Firewire address: 35:4f:c0:00:0b:25:ec:70 @ 0xfffe00000000, S400, maxrec 2048 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: fwohci_intr_core: BUS reset fwohci0: fwohci_intr_core: node_id=0x00000000, SelfID Count=1, CYCLEMASTER mode isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x6fa0-0x6faf irq 16 at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] atapci1: port 0x6eb0-0x6eb7,0x6eb8-0x6ebb,0x6ec0-0x6ec7,0x6ec8-0x6ecb,0x6ee0-0x6eef,0xeff0-0xefff irq 17 at device 31.2 on pci0 atapci1: [ITHREAD] ata2: on atapci1 ata2: [ITHREAD] ata3: on atapci1 ata3: [ITHREAD] pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) acpi_lid0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 acpi_button1: on acpi0 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 battery0: on acpi0 battery1: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64,0x62,0x66 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: [ITHREAD] psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71,0x72-0x77 irq 8 on acpi0 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 uart0: [FILTER] ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77b irq 7 drq 1 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/7 bytes threshold ppc0: [ITHREAD] ppbus0: on ppc0 plip0: on ppbus0 plip0: [ITHREAD] lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: [ITHREAD] lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 acpi_dock0: on acpi0 ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\\SMI_] (Node 0xc56546e0), AE_AML_INFINITE_LOOP (20101013/psparse-633) ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.PCIE.GDCK._DCK] (Node 0xc56613a0), AE_AML_INFINITE_LOOP (20101013/psparse-633) acpi_dock0: _DCK failed pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xcefff,0xcf000-0xcffff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 est0: on cpu0 p4tcc0: on cpu0 est1: on cpu1 p4tcc1: on cpu1 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0 cable IRM irm(0) (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 IP Filter: v4.1.28 initialized. Default = pass all, Logging = disabled ipfw2 (+ipv6) initialized, divert loadable, nat loadable, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to accept, logging disabled DUMMYNET 0 with IPv6 initialized (100409) load_dn_sched dn_sched WF2Q+ loaded load_dn_sched dn_sched FIFO loaded load_dn_sched dn_sched PRIO loaded load_dn_sched dn_sched QFQ loaded load_dn_sched dn_sched RR loaded usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus2: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 usbus3: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus4: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus5: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 usbus6: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 ugen0.1: at usbus0 uhub0: on usbus0 ugen1.1: at usbus1 uhub1: on usbus1 ugen2.1: at usbus2 uhub2: on usbus2 ugen3.1: at usbus3 uhub3: on usbus3 ugen4.1: at usbus4 uhub4: on usbus4 ugen5.1: at usbus5 uhub5: on usbus5 ugen6.1: at usbus6 uhub6: on usbus6 acd0: CDRW at ata0-master UDMA33 ad4: 76319MB at ata2-master UDMA100 SATA 1.5Gb/s hdac0: HDA Codec #0: Sigmatel STAC9205X hdac0: HDA Codec #1: Conexant (Unknown) pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 acd0: FAILURE - INQUIRY ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x24 ascq=0x00 (probe0:ata0:0:0:0): TEST UNIT READY. CDB: 0 0 0 0 0 0 (probe0:ata0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (probe0:ata0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (probe0:ata0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered cd0 at ata0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 33.000MB/s transfers cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus6 usbus2 uhub6: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered ugen2.2: at usbus2 uhub7: on usbus2 Root mount waiting for: usbus6 usbus2 uhub7: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered ugen2.3: at usbus2 ums0: on usbus2 ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad4s1a ugen5.2: at usbus5 uhub8: on usbus5 uhub8: 4 ports with 3 removable, self powered ugen5.3: at usbus5 wpi0: Radio Transmitter is switched off wpi0: Radio transmitter is switched off drm0: on vgapci0 info: [drm] MSI enabled 1 message(s) info: [drm] AGP at 0xe0000000 256MB info: [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20080730 drm0: [ITHREAD] kern.maxfiles limit exceeded by uid 1001, please see tuning(7). The acpi-subsystem is getting some errors: acpi0: reservation of 0, 9f000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, 7f55b800 (3) failed ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\\SMI_] (Node 0xc56546e0), AE_AML_INFINITE_LOOP (20101013/psparse-633) ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\\_SB_.PCI0.PCIE.GDCK._DCK] (Node 0xc56613a0), AE_AML_INFINITE_LOOP (20101013/psparse-633) Greetings, Xueyu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 14:18:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB92106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:18:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4898FC12 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D99C75C43 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 00:31:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F01BC07.3000508@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:15:35 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:18:58 -0000 On 01/02/12 23:31, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700 > Chad Perrin articulated: > >> On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: >>> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: >>>> If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and >>>> others (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats >>>> 5) years. >>> I am not sure what "parouse" means. There are a Shane, Dawn and >>> Nicole Parouse. Are you referring to them? Perhaps you meant >>> "peruse". >> I think you had no doubt at all that "Da Rock" meant "peruse" here, >> and you should check whether the walls of your house are made of >> durable material before you start throwing stones. Check, for >> instance, you habitual inability to properly use apostrophes to >> indicate the possessive form of a word, or your error in using the >> plural form "phenomena" where the singular "phenomenon" is >> appropriate. These observations of your relative illiteracy come >> from a single paragraph, by the way, but until I saw your "play dumb >> to call someone dumb" approach to discussion, I felt it appropriate >> to point out your own failings along the same lines -- not because >> these specific failings invalidate anything else you say, but because >> you're kind of a mean-spirited little hypocrite. > I specifically asked "Da Rock" in regards to "parouse" since I am not > familiar with what country he is from or what he considers his native > language. It is very possible that the word he used is native to his > region and therefore I wanted to inquire further. > > Furthermore, before you make a complete ass of yourself, please check > out this URL: > >> In short, trying to paint people who disagree with you in the colors >> of stupidity for a single spelling error when your errors are fairly >> numerous is not a winning strategy. > Win what, I was not aware it was a game. Maybe that is the problem; you > are too busy playing games rather than actually completing bona fide > projects. > >>> I tend not to include Ubuntu since they have made huge strides in >>> making hardware work correctly under their environment. Seems >>> strange that they can achieve what FreeBSD considers either >>> unobtainable or unnecessary (sour grapes). >>> >>> {OK, let the "blame game" begin -- after all, it is ALWAYS someone >>> elses fault} >> That must be why you blame everything you perceive as a problem in >> regards to open source software on "sour grapes". >> >>>> I'm sorry but I'm really pissed off tonight and you're attitude is >>>> really rubbing me the wrong way. If you want to be best mates with >>>> Gates and his horde then by all means... but this is a genuine >>>> discussion in an attempt to resolve _these_ issues, and clarify >>>> points as to why things are a certain way. If you don't agree, >>>> then be silent and ignore what you perceive to be crap, or at the >>>> very least _try_ not to be so aggressive and offensive. A lot of >>>> us on this list do this as common courtesy. >>> Ah, there we are. That good old socialist/fascist call to arms, >>> "You're either with us, or against us." >> I think the statement was more like "Someone who calls it 'open sore' >> is clearly a mean-spirited jackass who likes making trouble," rather >> than "Down with the bourgeoisie!" I just figured I'd help clarify. > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a Windows > based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" etcetera are > freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms like: "Winblows", > "Microsucks", etcetera are freely used. Would you please be so kind as > to explain to me why it is morally correct to use one set of terms but > not the other? It is either right or it is wrong. You cannot be > slightly pregnant. I personally find such terms morally repugnant; > however, since they are commonly used on this forum it appears that they > are socially acceptable. Would you not concur or are you going to try > and bullshit your way out of this one? > >>> You so clearly define what is the basic problem with FreeBSD in >>> general. The "sour grapes" attitude is so clearly self evident. You >>> would rather spend your time defending something that doesn't work >>> as fully functional as it could be if the developers stopped patting >>> themselves on the back for accomplishing what other OSs had already >>> done 3 or more years earlier and rather attempted to bring the OS on >>> par with those competing OSs. >> What do you define with your "hanging around sniping at people and >> sabotaging discussions" attitude? In the years I have been on this >> list, it seems like you have demonstrated a rabid hatred of all >> things related to FreeBSD and most things related to open source >> software in general, which makes me wonder why you hang around this >> mailing list. > I have a morbid hatred of those who suffer from decidophobia. However, > after restudying the matter, I think it more likely that the real > problem is an irrational fear of success. If only Microsoft was able to > accomplish things like easily getting a printer fully functional under > its environment, making sound or video or wireless cards work without > in all too many cases resorting to draconian measures, and the list > goes on, I would agree with you. However, we (and by we I am assuming > that you haven't got your head buried so far up your ass that you are > not aware of what is transpiring on other Operating Systems) are both > aware that, that is not the case. Linux in general and Ubuntu in > particular have made huge strides in making computers easier to use and > opening up the path for better, easier and more advanced software to be > installed. > > There is a commonly held truism, "If you are not the lead dog of the > pack, the view never changes." Now if you are happy playing "follow the > leader" and watch their balls dangle in your face, then fine. > Personally, I want to be in the lead. As soon as anyone steps up and > remarks about FreeBSD's standing in the desktop market, they are > immediately met with the "Blame the {fill in the blank}" choir. I am > now officially renaming that the "Sour Grapes Posse". Jerry, maybe you are better off sticking to your beloved Winblows (a term I will use as it seems to piss you off so much). If you are a so called "winner" then stick with the supposedly "winning" pack. I'm sure you will be greeted with open arms - and a ready pole to shaft you both ways like 90% of the world. For someone who I would have thought that a belief of "freedom" is in their blood, you sure like the shackles a lot, and I'd say you'd be far happier in that environment. Personally I couldn't give a rats who is in front, and I'm not so gay as to be watching balls. I want the freedom to do what I want, how I want with my systems, and not be dictated to by some corporation ready to rape society for all its worth in the name of market share and its shareholders- principally Bill Gates and his thoroughly unethical business practices, even by corporate standards. I hold the same view of most corporations and do my best to give them all a wide berth, as well as support those who would work outside their ridiculous house of cards that will topple at any given time. FreeBSD allows _real_ freedom, and supports users willing to learn how to wield it. I'll back that horse any day- because when all the other horses are dead, only one of the living ones will be the winner. I am also intent on supporting this FOSS project in any way I possibly can - as much as my resources allow. And yes, I'm busy too, Jerry, I have a family to look after with 4 kids and more coming; and yet I can find the time to actually help others improve their FreeBSD and whatever system instead of sit on my ass finding ways to tear others down by pointing out their faux pas (yes, I can speak and understand more languages than just bad english). Funny about that, huh? Your malicious intent on this list is becoming sore point for many; I have observed this behaviour on other lists with many more like you and it is unbearable (hence why I'm here), and yet you are about the only fly in the ointment here. All this does is waste space and bandwidth. This discussion _was_ about supporting the means to further this project to make it _easier_ for others to use the "unsupported" hardware you refer to, and clarifying the position of FreeBSD in the hardware market. How that is "sour grapes" is beyond me. You can call it what you like ("open sore", whatever), but your lack of courtesy and manners on this list are extraordinary and this will land you in trouble. If you wish to discuss politics then find a suitable list to discuss that on- not here. That said, a person in a glass house shouldn't throw stones. And yes, I mean that politically. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 14:41:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F569106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe.gain@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31708FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so15061794wib.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:41:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rli8xNNP82DxTJDVF7syTIcC/URszzUv7HAZKDVceXs=; b=W5gkHvMKt+T+ZKSX1qRK6U7eY3HGXt5LQUZbwb6DiZC/8ConUab0PqgHCzCbxyzZ3j rDuNlTSVSn98lJUI6j3BacWEUry7Xjv7UvLthp66TyNfUBB4uNmqK5/7arY+IYpWUvib A1ytqd3Dy55UlnBPkEsEGmq5rR8uHwS4NpAJU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.101.35 with SMTP id fd3mr95820235wib.22.1325515309832; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.161.79 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:41:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:41:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: Joe Gain To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:41:51 -0000 Jerry, What you're saying is that, 'you guys think that FreeBSD is a great desktop workstation, but it's not and anyone who says it is, is wrong. Anyone who says FreeBSD's not a great workstation because it doesn't have some particular feature is right and any discussion which questions the value of that feature for any given workstation is an excuse!' Now you may have come to this position because of similar experiences in mailing threads about Windows or Ubuntu, but that doesn't change the fact that this is a dogmatic position that can't add anything to this discussion= . Maybe these types of thread discussions are stupid anyway-- either your choice of system satisfies your needs or it doesn't and you change. Or you just spend your time wishing for something which doesn't exist. You've made clear that you don't like FreeBSD and you want to use the best (which obviously for you isn't FreeBSD)-- is there anything more to your position? Because that seems to be about it, as far as I can tell. Now I know, repetition is the best rhetorical tactic, but I hear what you're saying and I respect your decision. Personally, I think there's value in diversity itself. PS. There's another saying about wolves, which goes, "He, who eats with the wolves, howls with the wolves." On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > > > > > > > > If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and > > > > others (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats > > > > 5) years. > > > > > > I am not sure what "parouse" means. There are a Shane, Dawn and > > > Nicole Parouse. Are you referring to them? Perhaps you meant > > > "peruse". > > > > I think you had no doubt at all that "Da Rock" meant "peruse" here, > > and you should check whether the walls of your house are made of > > durable material before you start throwing stones. Check, for > > instance, you habitual inability to properly use apostrophes to > > indicate the possessive form of a word, or your error in using the > > plural form "phenomena" where the singular "phenomenon" is > > appropriate. These observations of your relative illiteracy come > > from a single paragraph, by the way, but until I saw your "play dumb > > to call someone dumb" approach to discussion, I felt it appropriate > > to point out your own failings along the same lines -- not because > > these specific failings invalidate anything else you say, but because > > you're kind of a mean-spirited little hypocrite. > > I specifically asked "Da Rock" in regards to "parouse" since I am not > familiar with what country he is from or what he considers his native > language. It is very possible that the word he used is native to his > region and therefore I wanted to inquire further. > > Furthermore, before you make a complete ass of yourself, please check > out this URL: > > > In short, trying to paint people who disagree with you in the colors > > of stupidity for a single spelling error when your errors are fairly > > numerous is not a winning strategy. > > Win what, I was not aware it was a game. Maybe that is the problem; you > are too busy playing games rather than actually completing bona fide > projects. > > > > I tend not to include Ubuntu since they have made huge strides in > > > making hardware work correctly under their environment. Seems > > > strange that they can achieve what FreeBSD considers either > > > unobtainable or unnecessary (sour grapes). > > > > > > {OK, let the "blame game" begin -- after all, it is ALWAYS someone > > > elses fault} > > > > That must be why you blame everything you perceive as a problem in > > regards to open source software on "sour grapes". > > > > > > I'm sorry but I'm really pissed off tonight and you're attitude is > > > > really rubbing me the wrong way. If you want to be best mates with > > > > Gates and his horde then by all means... but this is a genuine > > > > discussion in an attempt to resolve _these_ issues, and clarify > > > > points as to why things are a certain way. If you don't agree, > > > > then be silent and ignore what you perceive to be crap, or at the > > > > very least _try_ not to be so aggressive and offensive. A lot of > > > > us on this list do this as common courtesy. > > > > > > Ah, there we are. That good old socialist/fascist call to arms, > > > "You're either with us, or against us." > > > > I think the statement was more like "Someone who calls it 'open sore' > > is clearly a mean-spirited jackass who likes making trouble," rather > > than "Down with the bourgeoisie!" I just figured I'd help clarify. > > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a Windows > based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" etcetera are > freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms like: "Winblows", > "Microsucks", etcetera are freely used. Would you please be so kind as > to explain to me why it is morally correct to use one set of terms but > not the other? It is either right or it is wrong. You cannot be > slightly pregnant. I personally find such terms morally repugnant; > however, since they are commonly used on this forum it appears that they > are socially acceptable. Would you not concur or are you going to try > and bullshit your way out of this one? > > > > You so clearly define what is the basic problem with FreeBSD in > > > general. The "sour grapes" attitude is so clearly self evident. You > > > would rather spend your time defending something that doesn't work > > > as fully functional as it could be if the developers stopped patting > > > themselves on the back for accomplishing what other OSs had already > > > done 3 or more years earlier and rather attempted to bring the OS on > > > par with those competing OSs. > > > > What do you define with your "hanging around sniping at people and > > sabotaging discussions" attitude? In the years I have been on this > > list, it seems like you have demonstrated a rabid hatred of all > > things related to FreeBSD and most things related to open source > > software in general, which makes me wonder why you hang around this > > mailing list. > > I have a morbid hatred of those who suffer from decidophobia. However, > after restudying the matter, I think it more likely that the real > problem is an irrational fear of success. If only Microsoft was able to > accomplish things like easily getting a printer fully functional under > its environment, making sound or video or wireless cards work without > in all too many cases resorting to draconian measures, and the list > goes on, I would agree with you. However, we (and by we I am assuming > that you haven't got your head buried so far up your ass that you are > not aware of what is transpiring on other Operating Systems) are both > aware that, that is not the case. Linux in general and Ubuntu in > particular have made huge strides in making computers easier to use and > opening up the path for better, easier and more advanced software to be > installed. > > There is a commonly held truism, "If you are not the lead dog of the > pack, the view never changes." Now if you are happy playing "follow the > leader" and watch their balls dangle in your face, then fine. > Personally, I want to be in the lead. As soon as anyone steps up and > remarks about FreeBSD's standing in the desktop market, they are > immediately met with the "Blame the {fill in the blank}" choir. I am > now officially renaming that the "Sour Grapes Posse". > > -- > Jerry =E2=99=94 > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > __________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 joe gain jacob-burckhardt-str. 16 78464 konstanz germany +49 (0)7531 60389 (...otherwise in ???) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 14:58:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E291A106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:58:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bgold@simons-rock.edu) Received: from hedwig.simons-rock.edu (hedwig.simons-rock.edu [208.81.88.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBAD8FC12 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hp6000new (behemoth.simons-rock.edu [10.30.2.44]) by hedwig.simons-rock.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5D62BB366 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:30:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Gold" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:30:11 -0500 Message-ID: <06d501ccc95b$089f0d30$19dd2790$@simons-rock.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AczJWwiAIVpX5jJoQY2z0hzcMVOelw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: freebsd 8.2 lockups on Dell T610 w/ Perc 6/i X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:58:39 -0000 I have been running 8.2 Release patched with ZFS v28 support (via http://mfsbsd.vx.sk) since early September. In that time, we have gotten multiple errors every day regarding mfi timeouts (mfi0: COMMAND 0xffffff80007ba5b8 TIMEOUT AFTER 32 SECONDS) and we have experienced a full system lockup every 2-4 weeks. When the system locks up it will still respond to pings, but is totally unresponsive via ssh or directly from the console. After hard booting the system, everything comes back up without any issues. I have come across other users who have experienced similar issues (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-February/227650.html). In their cases, they were able to resolve the issue by disabling C-States, Turbo Mode, and setting the bios to "Maximum Performance". We have made these changes and ensured that all of our device's firmware are up to date. We are still experiencing the issue however. Fortunately, iDrac continues to work during the lockup, so we have been able to power-cycle the server remotely, but it is still a big pain. If anyone has any suggestions, I would be very appreciative. Brian Gold System Administrator Bard College at Simon's Rock From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 18:56:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09720106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FDF8FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so26713829wgb.31 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:56:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Wh5O1UyU5CYAJN1/hD+ku6dXrlL40sPefhYA4GHm+X8=; b=cPXZ54gW83lXTaR3Or6JIerATJMYWC5VJd3N7QGi3e0dH/79HkkOSvMuZQm8LFYEiL muc4FfzT1sfTXql/cFkOtpw0zwINsxRmCd4v0Qq1rEBbt43W952Akq2JjrMA061UdU1k GT7n00xAcO/SNQ4mq9UedKf2DECFIcAMhyCss= Received: by 10.227.207.133 with SMTP id fy5mr48693478wbb.23.1325530615863; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (39.Red-88-17-166.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net. [88.17.166.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i9sm68804627wie.8.2012.01.02.10.56.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:56:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:56:52 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120102185652.GA2126@chancha.local> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120101234504.GA55393@chancha.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:56:58 -0000 On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 04:26:38PM -0800, Waitman Gobble wrote: > Yes, you can run BIND on the same FreeBSD machine as your web server. > You have to have your nameserver listed with internic (for .com and .net - > ie, your nameserver has to show up in the NAMESERVER whois (note: different > than DOMAIN whois) on http://www.internic.net/whois.html) and also for each > TLD you want to provide service for (ie, .org, .mobi, etc etc) . > If you are using opensrs it's pretty simple to list your nameserver with > local and foreign tlds, but with other Registrars - you'd have to check > into the details. It's generally easier to use a local domain for the > nameservers (ie, ns1.example.mobi for .mobi domains.) but it is also > possible to use foreign nameservers (ie, ns1.example.com to resolve > www.example.mobi - is considered "foreign") > > Waitman Bothering you again Waitman, Now after refreshing my memory (it happened one year ago) I could remember that I did register the nameservers. I found the option in my registar to add to some domain i.e. mydomain.com the entries ns1.mydomain.com, etc. I think that the problem I had was related with the IPs. The VPS provider gave me just two, and AFAIK each name server needs its own dedicated IP. Now I can remember that I asked to their support team and they answered me that the nameservers could perfectly share the IP with the domains. Could be that the reason I don't get the thing working? Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 19:06:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7197E106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:06:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326118FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so37335109iad.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:06:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XnnDfkrXfjqVWwCifQNGNz5MFtU5Ih/dC+EIjXUu+sM=; b=rb58/eVRHy/8EUsjlepHA/Cd34tjBvnWILMZ9E0A9RiBKo42cJMPwv4Y/w+4jP2COE lmckzAGCrPkXRKvtGMr2NEu+vAoIEYfb17RxJRiLhZ4H501Zp2+VlTLfYkCY8cpzcvKR 00R/T5QR9/3oEC6m1SjlDu9kgSbhmYAcYNDFk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.45.195 with SMTP id p3mr58651591igm.2.1325531199915; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.31.65 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:06:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120102185652.GA2126@chancha.local> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120101234504.GA55393@chancha.local> <20120102185652.GA2126@chancha.local> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:06:39 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:06:41 -0000 Now after refreshing my memory (it happened one year ago) I > could remember that I did register the nameservers. I found the > option in my registar to add to some domain i.e. mydomain.com > the entries ns1.mydomain.com, etc. I think that the problem I > had was related with the IPs. The VPS provider gave me just > two, and AFAIK each name server needs its own dedicated IP. Now > I can remember that I asked to their support team and they > answered me that the nameservers could perfectly share the IP > with the domains. Could be that the reason I don't get the > thing working? > > Walter > > Hello, You /can/ have a nameserver with same IP as www. And you /can/ multihome your NIC with multiple IP on same machine, ie, www.example.com 192.168.0.131 and 192.168.0.132 (if you want, optional extra address for www) ns1.example.com 192.168.0.131 ns2.example.com 192.168.0.132 Waitman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 19:33:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED671106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:33:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6B5D8FC12 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26619 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2012 19:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2012 19:33:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=3Q6RzQVIxHFwVjrX+vr4hsyKcUpRDFHo7wcgIRo+i7U=; b=OZwna8gTe3FMEdQZHp2M7kPOaCVTfys9DKbhzNKBDX+ypChvGJyI01oWbnlKAwS+cugM2gYjbSh4PQhYog671r02DJb1H970xu/qlti2Dla9mKGc9pun+T6hk5tIW0NE; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RhndI-0003I0-Oz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:33:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:20 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:33:43 -0000 On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 08:31:14AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 09:14:20AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:56:45 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > > > > > > > > If you want to verify, then by all means parouse this list and > > > > others (even in the linux community) over the past _five_ (thats > > > > 5) years. > > > > > > I am not sure what "parouse" means. There are a Shane, Dawn and > > > Nicole Parouse. Are you referring to them? Perhaps you meant > > > "peruse". > > > > I think you had no doubt at all that "Da Rock" meant "peruse" here, > > and you should check whether the walls of your house are made of > > durable material before you start throwing stones. Check, for > > instance, you habitual inability to properly use apostrophes to > > indicate the possessive form of a word, or your error in using the > > plural form "phenomena" where the singular "phenomenon" is > > appropriate. These observations of your relative illiteracy come > > from a single paragraph, by the way, but until I saw your "play dumb > > to call someone dumb" approach to discussion, I felt it appropriate > > to point out your own failings along the same lines -- not because > > these specific failings invalidate anything else you say, but because > > you're kind of a mean-spirited little hypocrite. > > I specifically asked "Da Rock" in regards to "parouse" since I am not > familiar with what country he is from or what he considers his native > language. It is very possible that the word he used is native to his > region and therefore I wanted to inquire further. I don't believe you. That's about the most cockamamie "oh innocent me" defense I've seen in a long time, especially given your history of trolling on this mailing list. > > Furthermore, before you make a complete ass of yourself, please check > out this URL: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/phenomena . . . or, from your own choice of dictionary: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phenomenon Did you see the word "nonstandard" on the page whose URI you provided? I'm not making an ass of myself. I'm pointing out where you have done so by using nonstandard or incorrect formulations (such as lack of apostrophes as indicia of possessiveness, thus once again using plural forms to mean something other than plurality) while jumping all over someone else's case for a misspelling. > > > > In short, trying to paint people who disagree with you in the colors > > of stupidity for a single spelling error when your errors are fairly > > numerous is not a winning strategy. > > Win what, I was not aware it was a game. Maybe that is the problem; you > are too busy playing games rather than actually completing bona fide > projects. I'm pretty sure even you are capable of understanding what I said, and are not literally confused about whether I'm referring to some kind of "game". It's also kinda interesting you're talking about me wasting time on this "game" you've invented that I must be playing rather than completing projects when you've just recently admitted you are wasting copious quantities of time trolling Polytropon, to the extent that you are mining years of mailing list archives in some kind of crusade to assassinate his character. I have zero interest in wasting anywhere near that much time on you, the way you are wasting so much time on him, and while I'm at it that looks a bit like someone obsessed with "winning" some kind of imagined contest. > > > > > > Ah, there we are. That good old socialist/fascist call to arms, > > > "You're either with us, or against us." > > > > I think the statement was more like "Someone who calls it 'open sore' > > is clearly a mean-spirited jackass who likes making trouble," rather > > than "Down with the bourgeoisie!" I just figured I'd help clarify. > > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a Windows > based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" etcetera are > freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms like: "Winblows", > "Microsucks", etcetera are freely used. Would you please be so kind as > to explain to me why it is morally correct to use one set of terms but > not the other? It is either right or it is wrong. You cannot be > slightly pregnant. I personally find such terms morally repugnant; > however, since they are commonly used on this forum it appears that they > are socially acceptable. Would you not concur or are you going to try > and bullshit your way out of this one? 1. I didn't say it was "morally correct" to use one set of derogatory forms and "morally incorrect" to use the other. You are attributing arguments to me I never made. 2. I don't even use terms like "winblows" and "Microsucks". I don't even say "M$". I refer to Microsoft Windows OSes as "Microsoft Windows OSes", or sometimes "MS Windows OSes", or something along those lines. Trying to make me out to be a bad person for things other people have done is no way to do your arguments any favors. 3. While I don't condone "winblows" and "Microsucks" per se, at least such statements are directed at technology and a vendor that produces that technology, whereas your use of terms like "open sore" is clearly a direct attack on the people with whom you are speaking by referring to what you imagine to be their feelings and attitudes -- a move that seems like it could only reasonably arise by design, in a mean-spirited attempt to personally offend the people to whom you are speaking. It would be akin to someone saying not "people who use winblows like you", but "winblowers like you", implying unsavory things about your relationship to MS Windows and bypassing any potential for gainful discussion. It proves nothing about the person to whom you are speaking, but seems to pretty strongly indicate your own motivations have nothing to do with reasonability or rational discussion. . . . and I don't see anyone else calling you "socialist" or "fascist" or "mercantilist" or "capitalist swine" or anything like that, either. What's your excuse for the "socialist/fascist" canard? > > I have a morbid hatred of those who suffer from decidophobia. However, > after restudying the matter, I think it more likely that the real > problem is an irrational fear of success. If only Microsoft was able to > accomplish things like easily getting a printer fully functional under > its environment, making sound or video or wireless cards work without > in all too many cases resorting to draconian measures, and the list > goes on, I would agree with you. However, we (and by we I am assuming > that you haven't got your head buried so far up your ass that you are > not aware of what is transpiring on other Operating Systems) are both > aware that, that is not the case. Linux in general and Ubuntu in > particular have made huge strides in making computers easier to use and > opening up the path for better, easier and more advanced software to be > installed. Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. In its zeal to make things "just work" in a particular manner, it seems hell-bent on ignoring all but one way to do things, even as it tries to dominate its entire market niche to the extent that it eclipses and marginalizes alternatives. In this respect, it is very much emulating the MS Windows you seem to admire so much (at least in contrast to FreeBSD). While this makes Ubuntu more useful for specific subsets of the user base, it also makes it much less useful for many, many others. It only gets worse when it makes dramatic changes before the software is ready not just for prime time, but for beta testing -- thus taking up Microsoft's tactic of doing testing on people who expect a finished, polished product with its core offering. On the plus side, Ubuntu at least is not costing people license fees for the privilege of testing. The real hell of it is that by leading a charge toward adopting the policies of MS Windows development in the open source Unix-like operating system world, it is not marginalizing other ways of doing things in service to providing something that does not already exist. It is increasingly trying to be a better Microsoft Windows, while pretending to be a better Unix. I understand the value of a "just works" system, and if Ubuntu and MS Windows both lived up to that standard as well as they and their loyal users pretend, I would be happy for them (as far as that goes), but things are not quite as rosy as they all pretend -- just as things are not quite as rosy with FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Slackware, Debian, and Arch Linux as their communities pretend at times (though they are presented as "rosy", and fail to be so "rosy", in very different ways from Ubuntu and MS Windows). I am willing to put in a couple extra minutes making configuration decisions to get a system where I tell it how I want to work instead of it telling me how I'm going to work; I am willing to do some of my own automation in exchange for a system that is more stable; I am willing to learn about my options in order to have options. Others take the opposite approach: they are willing to let the vendor dictate how they will use a system so they can go directly to using it rather than customizing it at all; they are willing to deal with periodic instability so they can have more stuff pre-automated; they are willing to give up options to avoid having to make decisions they regard as irrelevant to their lives (which I find odd, given how increasingly much of our lives we spend in front of computers, but they're welcome to that choice if that's what they want). In short, it's a trade-off, and it's why I prefer FreeBSD over Ubuntu. It's also why I regard your trolling this FreeBSD mailing list to spread such bile about FreeBSD, claiming that Ubuntu is the Right Way for all open source software as a disciple of the Microsoft way of doing things, utterly inappropriate and wrong-headed. > > There is a commonly held truism, "If you are not the lead dog of the > pack, the view never changes." Now if you are happy playing "follow the > leader" and watch their balls dangle in your face, then fine. > Personally, I want to be in the lead. As soon as anyone steps up and > remarks about FreeBSD's standing in the desktop market, they are > immediately met with the "Blame the {fill in the blank}" choir. I am > now officially renaming that the "Sour Grapes Posse". You seem to think everyone is traveling in the same direction, but to the extent FreeBSD travels in a direction that suits my needs rather than those of Technologically Uninclined Ubuntu User #7, it appears to be beating its own path rather than following anothers. Greater popularity is not, after all, an indicator that something is leading something else. It's just an indicator that the direction it's going is a popular direction. You don't have to be the most popular to serve a niche, a need, that has a valid place in the world -- and you don't have to refer to crude metaphors in explicit and offensive terms to make a well reasoned point. You can "rename" a community however you like, but if you cannot see how that contributes to the general perception that you are nothing but an offensive troll out to force-feed your own sour grapes to the rest of us, you're stupider than I expected. . . . and that's definitely the biggest case of me taking a troll's bait that has come up in quite a while. I expect to regret the wasted time I could have been spending on tidying up some gaming software enough to make it look nice for others' use. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 19:36:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47775106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:36:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from whalberg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18668FC0C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaaf13 with SMTP id f13so20394573eaa.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:35:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TB0ZxtgvlMg1LaPRlYpQrYiOQ14agn3HxJWuL7E0r/U=; b=O7vwIUe82fsJuhBS6xs1+q8jenR+eO/uv4fYqfW1QpWVEdOnZUe3hGoisFZws18uQU 1N6feqz93NqPYNAK3vcY/u4lY1ecrPhStU70WEoy6oKjoB9EOvjc7tniZh7Wxt0AvzCR fUv9NvDVixO/oMjGfhrlThO2q8qsnW7quZLVA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.139.76 with SMTP id iv12mr11663524bkc.100.1325531558301; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.42.19 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:12:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:12:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Muhammet S. AYDIN" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: freebsd server limits question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:36:01 -0000 Hello everyone. My first post here and I'd like to thank everyone who's involved within the FreeBSD project. We are using FreeBSD on our web servers and we are very happy with it. We have an online messaging application that is using mongodb. Our members send messages to "the voice" show's (turkish version) contestants. Our two mongodb instances ended up in two centos6 servers. We have failed. So hard. There were announcements and calls made live on tv. We had +30K/sec visitors to the app. When I looked at the mongodb errors, I had thousands of these: http://pastie.org/private/nd681sndos0bednzjea0g. You may be wondering why I'm telling you about centos. Well, we are making the switch from centos to freebsd FreeBSD. I would like to know what are our limits? How we can set it up so our FreeBSD servers can handle min 20K connections (mongodb's connection limit)? Our two servers have 24 core CPUs and 32 GBs of RAM. We are also very open to suggestions. Please help me out here so we don't fail deadly, again. ps. this question was asked in the forums as well however as someone suggested in the forums, i am posting it here too. -- Muhammet S. AYDIN http://compector.com http://mengu.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 19:43:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEC4106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8A68FC14 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (pool-96-236-174-150.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [96.236.174.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94144BB811; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fracasso.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CC1835C2A; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:43:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:42:40 -0500 From: Janos Dohanics To: Marco Steinbach Message-Id: <20120102144240.dd97f5b8.web@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <4F019FFF.5020909@executive-computing.de> References: <20111231135633.02c92213.web@3dresearch.com> <4F014C4D.80001@executive-computing.de> <20120102050430.f2074796.web@3dresearch.com> <4F019FFF.5020909@executive-computing.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: buildworld error 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:43:41 -0000 On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:15:59 +0100 Marco Steinbach wrote: > Janos Dohanics wrote on 02.01.2012 11:04: > > On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 07:18:53 +0100 > > Marco Steinbach wrote: > > > >> Janos Dohanics wrote on 31.12.2011 19:56: > >>> Buildworld stopped with this error (with updated source): > >>> > >>> [...] > >>> cc "-O3" -DNEED_SOLARIS_BOOLEAN > >> [...] > >>> I have posted the build log at > >>> http://wwwp.3dresearch.com/ALMAVIVA2011123101_buildworld > >>> > >>> Would you please advise? > >> Quoting /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf: > >> > >> # CFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C code. > >> # Note that optimization settings other than -O and -O2 are not > >> # recommended or supported for compiling the world or the kernel - > >> # please revert any nonstandard optimization settings to "-O" or > >> # "-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing" before submitting bug reports without > >> # patches to the developers. > >> > >> The error you're seeing is a result from using O3 for building the > >> source in question -- At least my 8.2-STABLE ran into the same > >> problem, once I used O3, instead of the default '-O2 -pipe'. > >> > >> MfG CoCo > > > > Thank you, there was indeed the line CFLAGS="-O3" in make.conf, > > after I have commented it out, I could build world. > > > > I'm wondering how was my make.conf changed though; I'm sure I did > > not add CFLAGS="-O3" - is it possible that one of the ports have > > added this? > > Although, as far as I can tell, not explicitly forbidden in the > porter's handbook, I think that to be highly unlikely in the case of > CFLAGS. > > The least I'd expect would be some kind notice, if so intrusive a > change is done deliberately. > > > If I'd suspect a port fiddling with /etc/make.conf, I'd probably go > looking for entries carrying a timestamp close to /etc/make.confs in > /var/db/pkg. Of course, this largely depends on what happened in > between the time of actual modification and me noticing, but I think > that's the first thing I'd do. > > MfG CoCo Thanks again, unfortunately, I have edited /etc/make.conf and did not make note of the time stamp... -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 19:53:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F771065672 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FEB8FC14 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so13207017ggn.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:53:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:disposition-notification-to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=P+Ud27SwswAgEzxFK6Lm2dZDuYQy4gAopZmzu7VT7oY=; b=BY/uD3JTOR4prF1qfE7C+j4SuKmMdR1jkWMpHadgCU5N8EK9ipj7YZhi50wO4GZhGQ /o4mRMPWMc5emUxoCXPVALylz8J1woSl86PxCBIROBW0+OQcmOqLLo1WuopExRWkoOp0 eotHJfMtOOPp/BMCqFJx6hmrmY0nUCaSYsuvA= Received: by 10.101.21.20 with SMTP id y20mr20071536ani.24.1325533992035; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j25sm70479070yhm.12.2012.01.02.11.53.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:53:11 -0800 (PST) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120102144240.dd97f5b8.web@3dresearch.com> References: <20111231135633.02c92213.web@3dresearch.com> <4F014C4D.80001@executive-computing.de> <20120102050430.f2074796.web@3dresearch.com> <4F019FFF.5020909@executive-computing.de> <20120102144240.dd97f5b8.web@3dresearch.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:53:07 -0200 Message-ID: <1325533987.37111.2.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: redports question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:53:12 -0000 Hello.... I have a login account in redports.org. Now I wan to get (via svn) the virtualbox port (all of them)... What is the procedure??? In the wiki it show how I can work with my account in redports only... Thanks for any help... sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 19:53:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE26106568A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174248FC1A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so15306537wib.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:53:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=9ZSKMrxO47Q9seC/mkhj9fM9FuL/5xihcxwXJitqtNQ=; b=GiMRTTANrFQotBQUMJm7WE7X0EAf5WJ9Np2c1ivhf5YmyMLDTsRqmkMe4x5JS9HWgy AasUf4ZiYhjhlR9RDq6o/82Q1Ek0Vm/93OeSUfQqkmPMO6mi+31AqXtkW8sIaVSEC/0+ Ns+rjbsumnKkFIP5V0GgW9IRv9MMW+fHmoyf8= Received: by 10.180.107.134 with SMTP id hc6mr105425874wib.21.1325534033015; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (39.Red-88-17-166.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net. [88.17.166.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w8sm120651104wiz.4.2012.01.02.11.53.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:53:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:53:49 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120102195349.GA2259@chancha.local> References: <20120101224708.GA44456@chancha.local> <20224.58435.410063.543105@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120101234504.GA55393@chancha.local> <20120102185652.GA2126@chancha.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:53:54 -0000 On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 11:06:39AM -0800, Waitman Gobble wrote: > Hello, > > You /can/ have a nameserver with same IP as www. And you /can/ multihome > your NIC with multiple IP on same machine, > > ie, > www.example.com 192.168.0.131 and 192.168.0.132 (if you want, optional > extra address for www) > ns1.example.com 192.168.0.131 > ns2.example.com 192.168.0.132 > > Waitman I thought I've isolated the problem. God is playing with me like in The Truman Show :-). Well, the next time I get a dedicated server I will try again. Many thanks Waitman Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 19:54:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2FB10657E0 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:54:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306ED8FC1C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa04 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa04.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q02JQd4j005317; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:54:34 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa04.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 123hwm88gy-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:54:34 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:54:33 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Muhammet S. AYDIN'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:54:36 -0800 Message-ID: <046f01ccc988$5b710310$12530930$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQD6WO/1aBJN+GJ6EC0xVuIXUuk2apeeWwyw Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-02_06:2012-01-02, 2012-01-02, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: Dave Robison , devin.teske@fisglobal.com Subject: RE: freebsd server limits question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 19:54:35 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Muhammet S. AYDIN > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:13 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: freebsd server limits question > > Hello everyone. > > My first post here and I'd like to thank everyone who's involved within the > FreeBSD project. We are using FreeBSD on our web servers and we are very > happy with it. > > We have an online messaging application that is using mongodb. Our members > send messages to "the voice" show's (turkish version) contestants. Our two > mongodb instances ended up in two centos6 servers. We have failed. So hard. > There were announcements and calls made live on tv. We had +30K/sec visitors > to the app. > > When I looked at the mongodb errors, I had thousands of these: > http://pastie.org/private/nd681sndos0bednzjea0g. You may be wondering why > I'm telling you about centos. Well, we are making the switch from centos to > freebsd FreeBSD. I would like to know what are our limits? How we can set it up > so our FreeBSD servers can handle min 20K connections (mongodb's connection > limit)? > > Our two servers have 24 core CPUs and 32 GBs of RAM. We are also very open to > suggestions. Please help me out here so we don't fail deadly, again. We have similar hardware (24x core CPUs but 48GB of RAM instead of 32). NOTE: The machine has 2x igb(4) interfaces and we're negotiating at 1000baseTX "Gigabit" full-duplex link-speed. We had similar problems, but have had zero problems in the past 2 months with high-load (read below). ASIDE: We're using FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE-p6 We found that the following tweaks had to be made in /etc/sysctl.conf : ### Network Tuning ### # Increase TCP maximum segment lifetime net.inet.tcp.msl=15000 # Increase TCP time before keepalive probes again net.inet.tcp.keepidle=300000 # Increase maximum number of mbuf clusters allowed (174808 => 32768) kern.ipc.nmbclusters=32768 # Increase by 8-times the maximum socket buffer size (262144 => 2097152) kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152 # Increase by 64-times the max pending socket conn. queue size (128 => 8192) kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 # Increase by ~8-times the maximum number of [open] files (8232 => 65536) kern.maxfiles=65536 # Increase by ~4-times the max files allowed open per process (7408 => 32768) kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 # Disable delay of ACK to try and piggyback it onto a data packet (1 => 0) net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 # Increase by ~2-times the maximum outgoing TCP datagram size (32768 => 65535) net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65535 # Increase maximum space for incoming UDP datagrams (41600 => 65535) net.inet.udp.recvspace=65535 # Increase by ~6-times the maximum outgoing UDP datagram size (9216 => 57344) net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 # Increase by ~8-times the default stream receive space (8192 => 65535) net.local.stream.recvspace=65535 # Increase by ~8-times the default stream send space (8192 => 65535) net.local.stream.sendspace=65535 Meanwhile, yet more tweaks go into /boot/loader.conf : ### Process/Memory Tuning ### # Increase by 4-times the maximum data size (536870912 => 2147483648) kern.maxdsiz="2147483648" # Increase by 4-times the maximum stack size (67108864 => 268435456) kern.maxssiz="268435456" ### Network Tuning ### # Increase maximum outgoing Netgraph datagram size (20480 => 45000) net.graph.maxdgram="45000" # Increase maximum space for incoming Netgraph datagrams (20480 => 45000) net.graph.recvspace="45000" # Increase by 128-times max num of data queue items to allocate (512 => 65536) net.graph.maxdata=65536 With the above tweaks in-place for both sysctl.conf(5) and loader.conf(5), all our problems are gone. Your mileage may vary, but I suspect that the above collection of tweaks will work well for you. They should be safe for both 32-bit (both regular and PAE) and 64 (all tested). However, if you are the cautious type, I would recommend adding one optimizer at a time, rebooting after each tweak. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 20:03:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711A7106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C358FC0C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so10003577yen.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:03:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=gaxEySI/egXQewdQx53DB+q9vCNlSJEurclzRsaPWIw=; b=my0nmUIGn+mQeT42cS4AFiw+tHXtHlBRkCi2rnbnJumAS4TG1fOxCNwqZrMc6nchll KwW/OlpewCQoobwHd80pSFJD7YtOTMwnM5xq+H21NalnZi2Tm6/xvxHxNBGoxCLFVJ/q OeD/9zILDa44QPBjKZsIc5TKlS0M+vEb6lA5k= Received: by 10.236.121.168 with SMTP id r28mr52426448yhh.18.1325534600510; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n5sm70539413yhk.1.2012.01.02.12.03.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:03:19 -0800 (PST) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: "Muhammet S. AYDIN" In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:03:15 -0200 Message-ID: <1325534595.37111.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd server limits question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:03:21 -0000 hello... I supose you are using 64bits version of FreeBSD and at least 8.2 version... What happens is that you have exhausted the thread limit of your appplication your systeam is unable to create more threads for that appplication a command: sysctl -a | grep thread will show how they are setted up in your system. mine has: --------------------------------------------------------------------- kern.threads.max_threads_hits: 0 kern.threads.max_threads_per_proc: 1500 vm.stats.vm.v_kthreadpages: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_kthreads: 24 vfs.nfsrv.minthreads: 4 vfs.nfsrv.maxthreads: 4 vfs.nfsrv.threads: 4 net.isr.numthreads: 1 net.isr.bindthreads: 0 net.isr.maxthreads: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- note that the number of threads per proc is 1500 here (a notebook) to increase the number of threads, edit the file /etc/sysctl.conf put a line: kern.threads.max_threads_per_proc=9000 and than the command: /etc/rc.d/sysctl restart Hope this will help From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 20:36:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF717106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9338FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCADF6C; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:36:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:36:15 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: Drew Tomlinson , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <09FA5A77FFE5778565074B7A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <4EFF816B.60705@mykitchentable.net> References: <4EFF816B.60705@mykitchentable.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: Help Recovering FBSD 8 ZFS System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:36:56 -0000 --As of December 31, 2011 1:40:59 PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson is alleged to have said: > Thus it appears I am missing ad16 that I used to have. My data zpool was > the bulk of my system with over 600 gig of files and things I'd like to > have back. I thought that by creating a raidz1 I could avoid having to > back up the huge drive and avoid this grief. However it appears I have > lost 2 disks at the same time. :( > > Any thoughts before I just give up on recovering my data pool? Ouch. All I can really say is 'Redundancy is not backup', but that's a bit trite... The one thing you haven't mentioned trying that might be worth the attempt is trying the recovery from a 9.0 disk. There has been work done on the ZFS system, and it's possible that something might work. But that's mostly just to be thorough... As for what it was telling you: It was just saying it couldn't open the drives. ;) Which does bring up one other option: If you've got a different drive controller, you might try plugging the drives into it. (In the hopes that it's the *controller* and not the drive that's gone bad. Unlikely, bit it *does* happen.) (Depending on the value of the data pool, a good data recovery service might be able to do something as well. But they'd have to be a very good service, and know what they were working with.) > And regarding my root pool, my system can't mount root and start. What > do I need to do to boot from my degraded root pool. Here's the current > status: > ># zpool status > pool: root > state: DEGRADED > status: One or more devices could not be opened. Sufficient replicas > exist for > the pool to continue functioning in a degraded state. > action: Attach the missing device and online it using 'zpool online'. > see: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-2Q > scrub: none requested > config: > > NAME STATE READ > WRITE CKSUM > root DEGRADED 0 > 0 0 > mirror DEGRADED 0 > 0 0 > gptid/5b623854-6c46-11de-ae82-001b21361de7 ONLINE 0 > 0 0 > 12032653780322685599 UNAVAIL 0 > 0 0 was /dev/ad6p3 > > Do I just need to do a 'zpool detach root /dev/ad6p3' to remove it from > the pool and get it to boot? And then once I replace the disk a 'zpool > attach root ' to fix? > > Thanks for your time. Personally, I'd do a 'zpool replace /dev/ad6p3 /dev/$NEWDRIVE', but the above should work as well. What's odd though is that you can't boot from it as is: Degraded should be considered functional, and it should let you boot. You mentioned updating the zpool to v15. Did you update the boot block at the same time? (Just checking the basics.) It'd need to be able to read the updated zpool. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. 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Best regards, Sykadul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 20:38:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EBD1065688 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:38:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nec556@retena.com) Received: from resmaa12.ono.com (smtp12.ono.com [62.42.230.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7068FC29 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GogPortatil.retena.com (95.20.241.130) by resmaa12.ono.com (8.5.113) (authenticated as nec556@retena.com) id 4EFDA3B500092EC0; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:38:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4EFDA3B500092EC0@> (added by postmaster@resmaa12.ono.com) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:38:09 +0100 To: "Muhammet S. AYDIN" ,freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Eduardo Morras In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 10.0.1416 [2109/4118] Cc: Subject: Re: freebsd server limits question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:38:16 -0000 At 20:12 02/01/2012, Muhammet S. AYDIN wrote: >Hello everyone. > >My first post here and I'd like to thank everyone who's involved within the >FreeBSD project. We are using FreeBSD on our web servers and we are very >happy with it. > >We have an online messaging application that is using mongodb. Our members >send messages to "the voice" show's (turkish version) contestants. Our two >mongodb instances ended up in two centos6 servers. We have failed. So hard. >There were announcements and calls made live on tv. We had +30K/sec >visitors to the app. > >When I looked at the mongodb errors, I had thousands of these: >http://pastie.org/private/nd681sndos0bednzjea0g. You may be wondering why >I'm telling you about centos. Well, we are making the switch from centos to >freebsd FreeBSD. I would like to know what are our limits? How we can set >it up so our FreeBSD servers can handle min 20K connections (mongodb's >connection limit)? > >Our two servers have 24 core CPUs and 32 GBs of RAM. We are also very open >to suggestions. Please help me out here so we don't fail deadly, again. > >ps. this question was asked in the forums as well however as someone >suggested in the forums, i am posting it here too. Is your app limited by cpu or by i/o? What do vmstat/iostat says about your hd usage? Perhaps mongodb fails to read/write fast enough and making process thread pool bigger only will make problem worse, there will be more threads trying to read/write. Have you already tuned mongodb? Post more info please, several lines (not the first one) of iostat and vmstat may be a start. Your hd configuration, raid, etc... too. L From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 21:06:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC08106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:06:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Received: from ns.mahan.org (ns.mahan.org [67.116.10.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645528FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gypsy.mahan.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.mahan.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q02KYnuu027795 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Message-ID: <4F021412.3030803@mahan.org> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:31:14 -0800 From: Patrick Mahan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: BIOS configuration for a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R and i7 Intel processor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:06:22 -0000 All, I am putting together a DIY system using a Gigabyte motherboard and the Intel i7. I plan on running FreeBSD 9.0 as the based OS. I have a Seagate 1 TB Barracuda for the hard drive connected to one of the sata controllers. I've got a couple of questions regarding the SATA setup. The motherboard has an Intel ICH10R South Bridge controlling 6 SATA2 (3.0 Gbs/s) devices, Gigabyte controlling 2 GSATA2 devices (3.0 Gb/s) and a Marvell 9128 SATA3 (6.0 Gb/s) devices. I currently have the HDD connected to the ICH10R. My first question is simply confirmation of what my googling seems to have turned up - that this controller is supported by FreeBSD. 2nd question, the BIOS setup lists this controller mode as "IDE" and the other possible values are - "IDE" = Disables RAID for this SATA controller, configures the controller in IDE mode "RAID" = Enables RAID for this SATA controller "AHCI" = Configures the SATA controller to Advanced Host Controller Interface mode to support enabled advanced Serial ATA commands such as Native Command Queuing and Hot plug. Which mode is the best for FreeBSD? The BIOS default is IDE. I am currently only using 1 HDD so I am not currently interested in RAID. Is AHCI supported? NOTE: these modes are listed for all three SATA controllers. Thanks, Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 21:08:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47630106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120DE8FC1B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q02KXpaB059547 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4F0214AE.7000903@rawbw.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:33:50 -0800 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111226 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Mouse motion event holds up the input X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:08:56 -0000 This started from some system update. There are some strange dependencies on mouse motion event. For example, when google is open in chromium and I click on some search choice, it only goes there after I move the mouse, click itself is not enough. Same when I press "Ctrl-Alt-F1", it only goes to the black terminal when I move the mouse. Another symptom that I think is related is that doubleclick on the word in konsole in kde4, and in all browsers, isn't selecting the word as it should. I have rebuilt kde4 with all dependencies and it didn't help. What might be the problem? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 21:42:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239A1106566B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nzp@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [204.13.164.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21A68FC14 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fruiteater.riseup.net (fruiteater-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B90659283 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: nzp@fruiteater.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id E0324739 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:42:44 +0100 From: Nikola =?utf-8?B?UGF2bG92acSH?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120102214243.GA86702@sputnjik.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:42:50 -0000 On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 03:32:17PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > An OS should strive to be a better platform for many people, including > techies and non-techies. > > A good software design philosophy is that good software works out of the > box without configuration using reasonable defaults, but, that that the > software should be flexible, very configurable, the user should be able to > configure everything how they need it, but they should not be required to. > This allows the user to configure as much or as little as they want. > > Everything should be able to be accomplished with both GUI and CLI, and API. > > The entire system should be well understood, well documented and > transparent . Its like a car, its better to have a car that has a spacious > engine compartment and is very well documented in service manuals so that a > car mechanic can easily fix it. While not every user may want to get under > the hood, a spacious, well documented and easy to fix space under the hood > makes the mechanics job easier of fixing the car. The car being made more > reliable and easier to use as well means that the common driver has fewer > breakdowns. Windows is a terrible OS because its like a car with the entire > engine area sealed in a compartment that can only be opened with the car > manufacturer with a key, so mechanics cannot even repair it. > > There is no dount that UNIX is a better design system, due to the fact it > is open and the underlying systems are well understood, well defined and > well known, including due to the Unix philosophy of modularisation of > components. > > > I am in full agreement with Unix design philosophies and unix conventions. > I definitely oppose any effort to re-invent Unix or break with unix > conventionsand philosophies. It has been said that people who try to > reinvent Unix will do so poorly. I agree. I am very much in favour of > respecting Unix traditions, backwards compatability and conventions. For > instance, supporting the X11 Window System i think is something that we > should always commit to, it is important for compatability and for the > flexibility it provides. > Have you ever considered running for office? You would make an amazing politician! "Here's what's wrong with the world and how to fix it, but don't get me wrong, if you support the thing I'm trying to fix let me assure you that I don't think anything is wrong with it and that you too can safely vote for me." > I think tis okay to build additions to the system, but in addition, to the > existing components, not to overthrow existing parts of the system. > > Backwards compatability is very important which is why it is important to > respect conventions such as POSIX. > > I think that we can create a GUI front end built on top of the Unix system > that helps manage and configure the underlying Unix system for non-techie > users. This is layered design that gives us both the techie friendliness > and controllability of Unix and a GUI front end over that for non-techies. > No one should be required to use a GUI front end and should be able to > directly edit configuration files if they want and use the rich CLI that > FreeBSD has. This is a philosophy i like of allowing users to exercise as > much or as little fine control over the system as they want. OK, nice phylosophy. Obvious question: why aren't you on Ubuntu forums asking what button to press to get your USB capture device to work on 11.10? On a slightly more serious note, you seem to be unaware of PC-BSD. Also, KDE. I understand you think you thought things through and there can't possibly be anyone sane disagreeing with your vague ideas about usability, but allow me to yell in horror: "I don't want layers of bullshit piling inside of the operating system I use! Please no! A well documented config file will do just fine. Thanks." And I'm pretty sure an overwhelming majority of FreeBSD users and developers feel the same way, that's why I'm using it in the first place. And that's just the way it is now. Try replicating the wealth of information you get in various config files in FreeBSD in a GUI. Just how hard it is to open a simple text file in an editor and just fracking do what it tells you to in comments?! And it's not just the base system, any decent third party program has this wonderfull feature. How hard can it be?! Seriously. Sure, sometimes things can get confusing but that's the nature of any complex system, you can't make it go away with a GUI. What you're trying to solve is not an engineering but a mental health problem--an irrational fear of comupters specifically and of reading (and thinking even) in general. No user interface can solve this because it's not a user interface problem. It's like going to a mathemathics department at a university and demanding a GUI for math because most folks get a panic attack when they see funny lookin' symbols. And what the hell does all this have to do with kernel documentation and your driver problem? How is a mouse and a button going to solve that? > > I think that we should be pragmatic about binary drivers and that it better > to accept and welcome binary drivers from hardware companies. Open source > drivers should of course be developed, then users can use the open source > drivers as they become available, but, until then, they can use the binary > driver, or use a binary driver for more rare and unusual hardware. > You are either confusing FreeBSD with OpenBSD or just plain trolling. > I do think that, hardware driver backwards compatability should be provided > perhaps through a compatability layer that can be loaded into the kernel as > a module, and perhaps could be a porting of the IOKit driver system from > Darwin, perhaps even allowing Darwin drivers to be used on FreeBSD. All of > this can go into a kernel module so that if all one uses is native FreeBSD > drivers made for FreeBSDs normal driver API, they won't need to load this > subsystem. You see, you could have just proposed this in the first place instead of provoking a flame fest, ranting about, mostly imagined, lack of documentation, GUI configuration tools and giving condescending lectures on programmer productivity. Oh well... -- To add insult to injury. -- Phaedrus From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 21:45:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76437106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nzp@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [204.13.164.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F038FC08 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fulvetta.riseup.net (fulvetta-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0725C59179 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: nzp@fulvetta.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id 590EA1E6 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:45:09 +0100 From: Nikola =?utf-8?B?UGF2bG92acSH?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120102214509.GB86702@sputnjik.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:45:14 -0000 On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 02:59:20PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > >> > > FreeBSD is very well documented! > > I guess a lot of people can't cope with how structured and professional it > > is. They are used to chaos, fear, uncertainty and doubt and feel > > comfortable that way. > > > > > My experience is that FreeBSD kernel documentation is spotty and not > really sufficient to understand the kernel. Without good documentation, > code can take so much time to decipher it might be quicker to just throw it > out and start from scratch. Maintainable code requires documentation. > What you wrote here is so full of generalizations and banal truisms mixed with weasel words that it doesn't really mean anything. > > >> 2. FreeBsd is a main-stream O/S-- just look at the number of different > >> architectures/applications which are supported by FreeBSD. > >> > > Main stream and top player for web and internet servers > > > > > FreeBSD is far from being mainstream or practical for most users. I tried So what? Using a helicopter to get from A to B is far from being mainstream and practical for most users of transportaion. That doesn't mean we should start putting wheels on them in hope more people who need cars will start using helicopters. > to use a USB video capture device. For you, what may be "useless" may be > indespensible for others. I don't think anyone is claiming FreeBSD shouldn't support as much reasonable hardware as possible. > We should improve FreeBSD to make it work for > better for more people, experts and non-techies alike. I am really appalled > at an attitude that some have against making it better, adding features and > functionality that will make for a smoother experience, its as if they dont > care about anyone else and want the OS to be useful to no one else. We need > to make it better for everyone. Why? But more importantly, define "better" and "everyone". Also, who is this "we"? I'm sorry but usually when someone starts lamenting that "we should x", especially in volunteer and FOSS projects, he/she usually means "anyone but me, I just want my stuff to work." So you want your USB capture device to work, maybe you skimmed through some documentation with the idea of writing a driver, but you can't make sense of anything. What are you doing on freebsd-questions posting meaningless fresh-out-of-college ideas about software development? You should be on freebsd-hackers asking specific question. Linus has a good, timeless answer for the kind of phylosophy essays you're writing here: "Talk is cheap, show me the code." Yes, it may seem harsh and user-unfriendly, but that's just the way it is. > > > 4. Drivers aren't really a limitation. Look at the history of computing, > >> that modern O/S support such diverse platforms is an amazing development. > >> As far as I'm concerned, FreeBSD supports main stream components, there > >> are > >> no classes of components that I'm aware of which aren't supported by > >> FreeBSD. If you need to use a particular device, for which there is no > >> driver, historically it's not unusual to find that on any particular > >> platform a particular device is not supported. > >> > > It supports most things except the things you wouldn't want anyway > > > > > Drivers are a huge limitation, the lack of them, Here I beleive you are > just plain wrong. The fact is, people do not want to have to think about > whether or not their hardware will work with an OS or fight the OS for days > to make it work. Trhe truth is on Windows things really do just work. Ive > set up Windows, I know this. Windows has other things however which make it > undesirable to use. What I want to use is combine the things Windows has > right with an open source, free OS. The way things are now does not make > since, you can use Windows, and the hardwarw works, but its a closed > platform. You can use FreeBSD, which has bad hardware support, but is an > open platform. I want to see an open platforn that has great hardware > support, even if we have to use binary drivers. > Let's ignore the oxymoronic open platform-binary drivers idea for a moment. Where did you get the idea that FreeBSD community in general discards binary drivers? How about bitching to the manufacturer of your USB capture device? "What, you mean drivers don't magically grow on trees ready to be plucked?!" > > > >> 5. Nobody is making anyone use FreeBSD. It's free. If you don't enjoy it, > >> don't use it. Maybe remove yourself from the mailing list-- or don't, if > >> you just want to stay informed. > >> > > If you don't like it, please leave, there are a lot of alternatives > > > > > What you are saying here is that your idea is instead of FreeBSD being > responsive to the needs of all users, you basically want to own the project > and dont care about anyone else. > No, he is saying you should act rationally and either use the tool that gets your job done, or if you don't like the tool start doing something productive to get the tool you would like to have. What you're doing instead is writing meaningless fantasies about rainbows, happy users ... and, of course, world peace. > >> 7. The temptation to install illegal software on MS Windows is very high. > >> Who wants to pay for every little gimmicky app? Who can afford to pay for > >> some major applications, which are needed for studying etc.? This often > >> leads to an unstable system and security problems. The ports system in > >> comparison is a much preferred "software/ application distribution system" > >> because at least you get to look at the source code, if you want to. > >> > > Most windows users and professionals I know are plane thieves, it is just > > easy for hem to get away with it. It's not my cup -o- joe and I refuse to > > be like that, no illegal software for me. > > > > > I completely agree here. Especially for people of low incomes and who are > not wealthy, the cost of windows software can be a killer.also terrible is > the closed source nature of it which means you have no idea what the > software is doing on your computer. It all reeks of dishonesty. People who > can afford it should make contributions to open source projects to help > them proceed, however, I am not for heaping up huge costs on low income > people, many of them students stuggling under immense debt. > With the risk of sounding cynical, how does this terrible distrust you have of closed source software mix with the idea that FreeBSD should even use binary drivers if need be (as if someone is stopping vendors from providing them)? As for helping low income families and students--you do understand writing drivers takes more than just good will and a desire to be a decent human being? > One gets the feeling that low income people are being made to suffer more > because the way many software companies are, such as Apple, there is a high > profit margin for the executives, even the programmers themselves recieve > peanuts compared to what the executives of these companies recieve. > Yes, indeed, one would get the feeling this is the case, perhaps... No, it's not a feeling and it doesn't need to be sugar coated--that's how it is, in fact, it's much, much worse, and yes people should do something about it. But remind me again what does this have to do with FreeBSD kernel documentation? > > >> 8. It's an individual choice. Depends what you use your computer for. > >> maths/R is one of my favorite applications and it even runs on windows. > >> > > It's all about choice and I'd rather learn from history than repeat it > > over and over > > > > > >> May the force be with you! > >> > > Use the force Luke, read the source :) > > > Reading the source alone is a poor way to try to understand the system, > increased programmer productivity and development cycle can be acheived if > source code is used along with documentation of the source code. this saves > time. I know, ive tried reading FreeBSD source code. > Finally! In 30+ years of BSD history you're the first outsider to the selfish kernel developer "clique" who has tried to understand this mysterious piece of software. But you know what they say--never attribute to malice, what you can attribute to incompetence. They probably just weren't aware of proper programmer productivity techniques and the finer points of development cycles. -- Q: How many Harvard MBAs does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Just one. He grasps it firmly and the universe revolves around him. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 22:10:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929E8106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:10:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Received: from ns.mahan.org (ns.mahan.org [67.116.10.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4297B8FC13 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gypsy.mahan.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.mahan.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q02MEUAB028424 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:14:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mahan@mahan.org) Message-ID: <4F022B6F.5020406@mahan.org> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:10:55 -0800 From: Patrick Mahan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110902 Thunderbird/6.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <4F021412.3030803@mahan.org> In-Reply-To: <4F021412.3030803@mahan.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BIOS configuration for a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R and i7 Intel processor X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:10:54 -0000 On 1/2/12 12:31 PM, Patrick Mahan wrote: > All, > > I am putting together a DIY system using a Gigabyte motherboard > and the Intel i7. I plan on running FreeBSD 9.0 as the based OS. > I have a Seagate 1 TB Barracuda for the hard drive connected to > one of the sata controllers. > > I've got a couple of questions regarding the SATA setup. > > The motherboard has an Intel ICH10R South Bridge controlling > 6 SATA2 (3.0 Gbs/s) devices, Gigabyte controlling 2 GSATA2 devices > (3.0 Gb/s) and a Marvell 9128 SATA3 (6.0 Gb/s) devices. > > I currently have the HDD connected to the ICH10R. My first question > is simply confirmation of what my googling seems to have turned up - > that this controller is supported by FreeBSD. > > 2nd question, the BIOS setup lists this controller mode as "IDE" > and the other possible values are - > > "IDE" = Disables RAID for this SATA controller, configures the > controller in IDE mode > > "RAID" = Enables RAID for this SATA controller > > "AHCI" = Configures the SATA controller to Advanced Host Controller > Interface mode to support enabled advanced Serial ATA > commands such as Native Command Queuing and Hot plug. > > Which mode is the best for FreeBSD? The BIOS default is IDE. I am > currently only using 1 HDD so I am not currently interested in RAID. > Is AHCI supported? > > NOTE: these modes are listed for all three SATA controllers. > All, Slight addendum, I have found a link to Warren Block's instructions on enabling AHCI support and others have pointed out that they are using AHCI on GB motherboards. Again, thanks, Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 22:15:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CDA106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:15:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc2.surewest.net (rc2.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FC58FC12 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc2.surewest.net ({1b970212-ad71-403b-a2dd-d897d2565e71}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120102221505999; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:15:05 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp1.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA74896EA; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D25F79C1DC; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.1.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6ED6D16556D; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:15:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1325542504; bh=fngqV7wr/993HD7subaixwl+hPESV5TetGKNJLddVD8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lleJhxxWJX/3XABYRAS+Y0b1aLQY+2CTTkOPSn/97Y6onTH23F+wT8S4ZmlMsjOBV QMSEv0ajCAwwj5uN4OrqVGSS7heX5+rBVtmqA+odbrc2cSBl9JoYNFhaKCoRYSxg1h HPN27Oru4Gtk4he4A6fWdYY4a7zC6M3GeZYVbAtg= Message-ID: <4F022C5F.9040208@mykitchentable.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:14:55 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <4EFF816B.60705@mykitchentable.net> <09FA5A77FFE5778565074B7A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <09FA5A77FFE5778565074B7A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120102-1, 01/02/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Daniel Staal Subject: Re: Help Recovering FBSD 8 ZFS System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:15:31 -0000 On 1/2/2012 12:36 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of December 31, 2011 1:40:59 PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson is alleged > to have said: > >> Thus it appears I am missing ad16 that I used to have. My data zpool >> was >> the bulk of my system with over 600 gig of files and things I'd like to >> have back. I thought that by creating a raidz1 I could avoid having to >> back up the huge drive and avoid this grief. However it appears I have >> lost 2 disks at the same time. :( >> >> Any thoughts before I just give up on recovering my data pool? > > Ouch. All I can really say is 'Redundancy is not backup', but that's > a bit trite... Yes, I know redundancy doesn't protect against operator error and thus isn't a true backup. However this is a personal system whose main function was to store DVDs, MP3s, photos, and the like. I can recreate most of the content and have backups of the photos up until about a year ago (bad me). > The one thing you haven't mentioned trying that might be worth the > attempt is trying the recovery from a 9.0 disk. There has been work > done on the ZFS system, and it's possible that something might work. > But that's mostly just to be thorough... I may try this. However I suspect before anything can work, I have to get the missing disk(s) detected by the OS. One (ad6) is detected but full of errors. There is another that's not even seen. > As for what it was telling you: It was just saying it couldn't open > the drives. ;) Which does bring up one other option: If you've got a > different drive controller, you might try plugging the drives into > it. (In the hopes that it's the *controller* and not the drive that's > gone bad. Unlikely, bit it *does* happen.) Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. However in this case, the controller is a SATA that's integrated into the motherboard. Since two of 4 are working, that would mean the controller is OK, right? I guess I could swap SATA cables for a test. > (Depending on the value of the data pool, a good data recovery service > might be able to do something as well. But they'd have to be a very > good service, and know what they were working with.) > >> And regarding my root pool, my system can't mount root and start. What >> do I need to do to boot from my degraded root pool. Here's the current >> status: >> >> # zpool status >> pool: root >> state: DEGRADED >> status: One or more devices could not be opened. Sufficient replicas >> exist for >> the pool to continue functioning in a degraded state. >> action: Attach the missing device and online it using 'zpool online'. >> see: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-2Q >> scrub: none requested >> config: >> >> NAME STATE READ >> WRITE CKSUM >> root DEGRADED 0 >> 0 0 >> mirror DEGRADED 0 >> 0 0 >> gptid/5b623854-6c46-11de-ae82-001b21361de7 ONLINE 0 >> 0 0 >> 12032653780322685599 UNAVAIL 0 >> 0 0 was /dev/ad6p3 >> >> Do I just need to do a 'zpool detach root /dev/ad6p3' to remove it from >> the pool and get it to boot? And then once I replace the disk a 'zpool >> attach root ' to fix? >> >> Thanks for your time. > > Personally, I'd do a 'zpool replace /dev/ad6p3 /dev/$NEWDRIVE', but > the above should work as well. What's odd though is that you can't > boot from it as is: Degraded should be considered functional, and it > should let you boot. You mentioned updating the zpool to v15. Did > you update the boot block at the same time? (Just checking the > basics.) It'd need to be able to read the updated zpool. I assume I upgraded the boot block since I've had no trouble booting before the drive failures and the upgrade was a long time ago. Thanks for your help. Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 22:21:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474D9106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwboyer@mac.com) Received: from nk11p99mm-asmtpout006.mac.com (nk11p03mm-asmtp996.mac.com [17.158.233.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BF08FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:21:30 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Received: from [192.168.10.132] ([38.102.16.155]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp996.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LX60046NWNSJD00@nk11p03mm-asmtp996.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:21:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-02_07:2012-01-02, 2012-01-02, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201020229 From: Robert Boyer In-reply-to: <0LX600GBUUP8AWE1@ms02044.mac.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:21:27 -0500 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <0LX600GBUUP8AWE1@ms02044.mac.com> To: Eduardo Morras X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: "Muhammet S. AYDIN" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd server limits question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:21:30 -0000 To deal with this kind of traffic you will most likely need to set up a = mongo db cluster of more than a few instances=85 much better. There = should be A LOT of info on how to scale mongo to the level you are = looking for but most likely you will find that on ruby forums NOT on = *NIX boards=85. The OS boards/focus will help you with fine tuning but all the fine = tuning in the world will not solve an app architecture issue=85 I have setup MASSIVE mongo/ruby installs for testing that can do this = sort of volume with ease=85 the stack looks something like this=85. Nginix=20 Unicorn Sinatra MongoMapper MongoDB with only one Nginix instance can feed an almost arbitrary number of = Unicorn/Sinatra/MongoMapper instances that can in turn feed a properly = configured MongoDB cluster with pre-allocated key distribution so that = the incoming inserts are spread evenly against the cluster instances=85 Even if you do not use ruby that community will have scads of info on = scaling MongoDB. One more comment related to L's advice - true you DO NOT want more = transactions queued up if your back-end resources cannot handle the TPS = - this will just make the issue harder to isolate and potentially make = the recovery more difficult. Better to reject the connection at the = front-end than take it and blow up the app/system. The beauty of the Nginix/Unicorn solution (Unicorn is ruby specific) is = that there is no queue that is feed to the workers when there are no = workers - the request is rejected. The unicorn worker model can be = reproduced for any other implementation environment (PHP/Perl/C/etc) = outside of ruby in about 30 minutes. It's simple and Nginix is very well = suited to low overhead reverse proxy to this kind of setup. Wishing you the best - if i can be of more help let me know=85 RB On Jan 2, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Eduardo Morras wrote: > At 20:12 02/01/2012, Muhammet S. AYDIN wrote: >> Hello everyone. >>=20 >> My first post here and I'd like to thank everyone who's involved = within the >> FreeBSD project. We are using FreeBSD on our web servers and we are = very >> happy with it. >>=20 >> We have an online messaging application that is using mongodb. Our = members >> send messages to "the voice" show's (turkish version) contestants. = Our two >> mongodb instances ended up in two centos6 servers. We have failed. So = hard. >> There were announcements and calls made live on tv. We had +30K/sec >> visitors to the app. >>=20 >> When I looked at the mongodb errors, I had thousands of these: >> http://pastie.org/private/nd681sndos0bednzjea0g. You may be wondering = why >> I'm telling you about centos. Well, we are making the switch from = centos to >> freebsd FreeBSD. I would like to know what are our limits? How we can = set >> it up so our FreeBSD servers can handle min 20K connections = (mongodb's >> connection limit)? >>=20 >> Our two servers have 24 core CPUs and 32 GBs of RAM. We are also very = open >> to suggestions. Please help me out here so we don't fail deadly, = again. >>=20 >> ps. this question was asked in the forums as well however as someone >> suggested in the forums, i am posting it here too. >=20 > Is your app limited by cpu or by i/o? What do vmstat/iostat says about = your hd usage? Perhaps mongodb fails to read/write fast enough and = making process thread pool bigger only will make problem worse, there = will be more threads trying to read/write. >=20 > Have you already tuned mongodb? >=20 > Post more info please, several lines (not the first one) of iostat and = vmstat may be a start. Your hd configuration, raid, etc... too. >=20 > L=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 22:25:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86C21065670 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm31-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm31-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 580A38FC13 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 22:25:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.252] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 22:25:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 22:25:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 622030.46237.bm@omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 26533 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2012 22:25:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1325543145; bh=nKkKt4IuYkdvVH6wg+cv9tWdYJ0DjCtkEwG3oTF//1Y=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Lj9ApT34+3EKsoio4ayIKqrQ6uTdj6OmiAo/wppD07xHVOVGC0mc+x6Npgghx9ENDgieQ9po0yynMkDG1S4cniznP8PDi6B7CgCHYcNPkvI9d12UxdV2JUzWPanP54bUqDl0p1/OE8urwvYJQVAZD6hhD7h5FA73DFAyUFogbsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BmvGJgJtzFvcxyvWh7+bgF0+9KtT59dgozTREVBPi6YK2SiW5+rkVsi3+PD9n1Q/nam/q61hv7gw2dBs4V+b8vjpEWtZ2qAckEQsAOlBBGt1P2+VHtlWqHp3j8cUVY7HpEHl96rvige6Bj7OUAR9bA2ZoUx0+djUrDCJUSubE/E=; X-YMail-OSG: U6Sdg6wVM1mrCjPwM5mtaHZ6gPrbFY3A8sfZHl2EXlX3_IA Wz5d0gBQE98DCqJ5_b3I9BTnMRcAmckpjNPwmlm.zt4zQ5n9OWqY6PH5cMHU NP1mVWZiy_lICKnypVWw0bJ8v7Nk6W0BgsovMCm5PgT._9gnJVj.LOG2rlRu W4saceQeqXXnyiphKxRWrRZCHyJHTehfT6iG5VHIGRGJm8jtBBuJ3q5lcHYK fvzqr0ZiOAoRslY.SES6Iaxey4EkUXbwdo.SOKvAgFK5PyndV4GshEcFM6aJ RG_gSfaqvsnd4_gJlHwx.hB_VhjZBqB35f5mihzbqRA0mbEOHq0LhLBxWfGt .Awk4U_.vMQ1aLOyebYnZ2NawAW.49wV_wKVb0iSJdxYf_lmYgZCR1MDyaDC bDNTQrcwwGTJfMjm0pVqxDujkGBCvqb_DozwHN7uu2OJiETTpAUVTr2qx5gh OeZqGSM0- Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:25:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <4F00C6EC.30100@computer.org> <201201011323.46165.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> <4F00DF83.9050505@computer.org> Message-ID: <1325543145.8536.YahooMailNeo@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:25:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <4F00DF83.9050505@computer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Thinkpad w500 microphone with Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:25:47 -0000 =0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: Eric Schuele =0ATo: Lyubomir Grigorov =0ACc: = freebsd-questions@freebsd.org =0ASent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 5:34 PM=0ASu= bject: Re: Thinkpad w500 microphone with Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)=0A=0A= =0AOn 01/01/2012 15:23, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote:=0A> I assume you are using= Skype with linuxator? In this case, are the sound =0A> devices in Skype se= t to "OSS"? From the PC-BSD forum, the following got sound =0A> working for= me, since OSS wasn't showing as an option:=0A=0Ahmm.=A0 well. thats a good= quesiton (with linuxulator?) now that you=0Amention it.=0AThe port is mark= ed BROKEN.=A0 and if you unmark it as such you can't get=0Athe distfiles.= =A0 So I pulled them off a machine I had it one from some=0Atime (years?) b= ack and built it.=A0 It built fine.=A0 Runs fine.=A0 Digging=0Ainto var/db/= pkg/skype* ... +CONTENTS says linux this and that....=A0 so=0AI'd dare to s= ay yes then.=0A=0AThere does not seem to be a config option in Skype that I= can find to=0Aset it to use OSS.=A0 Just says '/dev/dsp' and /dev/dsp0'.= =0A=0A> =0A> # pkg_add -r linux-f10-alsa-plugins-oss=0A> # cp /compat/linux= /etc/alsa/pcm/pcm-oss.conf-dist =0A>=A0 /compat/linux/etc/alsa/pcm/=0A> =0A= =0AI'm not seeing the above in the ports tree.=A0 :/=0A=0A> Lyubomir Grigor= ov (bgalakazam)=0A=0A=0AHard to believe that ThinkPads are still in existen= ce. The overpriced computers that=A0so many folks just=A0had to have back i= n=A0the mid to late 1990's. I recall one=A0lawyer I worked for paid over $7= ,000=A0USD for his=A0ThinkPad and that=A015 years ago when the dollar was s= till ahead of the=A0Euro. Everybody wanted one because of those three magic= lettters, "IBM". And I=A0always thought that was=A0funny because IBM made = very little if any of the parts that went into a=A0ThinkPad laptop. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 22:26:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB681065673 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:26:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mikel.king@olivent.com) Received: from mail.olivent.com (mail.olivent.com [75.99.82.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594CF8FC12 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.olivent.com (Kerio Connect 7.0.0 patch 1) (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:26:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: mikel king In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:25:52 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <84961FF6-6C49-4CBA-B1F8-F5086808B45C@olivent.com> References: <0LX600GBUUP8AWE1@ms02044.mac.com> To: Robert Boyer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Eduardo Morras , "Muhammet S. AYDIN" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd server limits question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:26:05 -0000 On Jan 2, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Robert Boyer wrote: > To deal with this kind of traffic you will most likely need to set up = a mongo db cluster of more than a few instances=85 much better. There = should be A LOT of info on how to scale mongo to the level you are = looking for but most likely you will find that on ruby forums NOT on = *NIX boards=85. Suggest hitting up 10gen as well they usually have some knowledgeable = individuals available to talk mongo... 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And I would like to add that while this commun= ity seems to be an exception,=A0far too often someone=A0wastes bandwidth an= d bytes by telling the person with=A0a question to RTFM. I=A0just=A0finishe= d a rather complicated project which took me days to resolve and several ti= mes when I asked=A0questions there was always some wise crack at hand who w= ould make the commen that "if you just RTFM" everything would be=A0fine. In= this case the manuals were lacking and most of the data was obselete or ir= relavent to the project I was conducting....kind of like FreeBSD documentat= ion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 22:36:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935331065675 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504DF8FC15 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so10044406yen.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.189.104 with SMTP id b68mr65057543yhn.21.1325542189013; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([189.115.170.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm36815208ank.7.2012.01.02.14.09.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:09:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:10:29 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <20120102214243.GA86702@sputnjik.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20120102214243.GA86702@sputnjik.localdomain> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201201021910.29105.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:36:33 -0000 On Monday 02 January 2012 18:42:44 Nikola Pavlovi=C4=87 wrote: > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 03:32:17PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: [troll snipper] > > ..... perhaps could be a porting of the IOKit > > driver system from Darwin, perhaps even allowing Darwin drivers to be > > used on FreeBSD. All of this can go into a kernel module so that if all > > one uses is native FreeBSD drivers made for FreeBSDs normal driver API, > > they won't need to load this subsystem. >=20 > You see, you could have just proposed this in the first place instead of > provoking a flame fest, ranting about, mostly imagined, lack of > documentation, GUI configuration tools and giving condescending lectures > on programmer productivity. Oh well... Right on, Nikola ! But David's paragraph I left in is a "real dream" for me. It is basicaly=20 what's keeping me from using FBSD as my audio workstation. I have an Echo Gina3D card there is simply no FBSD driver for it. But there= =20 are Mac drivers from Echo!. I even too a shot at downloading the framework/API from Echo (windows :( ) but it is just way above me. A colegue from Japan had written a driver for an old Echo Gina 20 bit which= I=20 managed to compile and load (believe it or not) but it was for FBSD 5. I tr= ied=20 to compile it on my FBSD 8 STABLE but it issues too much errors that (again= )=20 is beyond my capacity. But I'm a stubborn one, so I'll try to keep learning from my mistakes. Mayb= e=20 one day a new driver for FBSD will be born. =2D-=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br =46reeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 22:38:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683511065672 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwboyer@mac.com) Received: from nk11p99mm-asmtpout008.mac.com (nk11p99mm-asmtpout008.mac.com [17.158.233.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484B78FC1B for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:38:33 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Received: from [192.168.10.132] ([38.102.16.155]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp998.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LX7003MA07VD8A0@nk11p03mm-asmtp998.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:38:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-02_07:2012-01-02, 2012-01-02, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201020250 From: Robert Boyer In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:38:18 -0500 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <0LX600GBUUP8AWE1@ms02044.mac.com> To: Eduardo Morras X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: "Muhammet S. AYDIN" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd server limits question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:38:33 -0000 Sorry one more thought and a clarification=85. I have found that it is best to run mongos with each app server instance = most of the mongo interface libraries aren't intelligent about the way = that they distribute requests to available mongos processes. mongos = processes are also relatively lightweight and need no coordination or = synchronization with each other - simplifies things a lot and makes any = potential bugs/complexity with app server/mongo db connection logic just = go away. It's pretty important when configuring shards to take on the write = volume that you do your best to pre-allocate chunks and avoid chunk = migrations during your traffic floods - not hard to do at all. There are = also about a million different ways to deal with atomicity (if that is a = word) and a very mongo specific way of ensuring writes actually "made it = to disk" somewhere =3D from your brief description of the app in = question it does not sound that it is too critical to ensure "every = single solitary piece of data persists no matter what" as I am assuming = most of it is irrelevant and becomes completely irrelevant after the = show- or some time there after. Most of the programing and config = examples make an opposite assumption in that they assume that each = transaction MUST be completely durable - if you forgo that you can get = screaming TPS out of a mongo shard. Also if you do not find what you are looking for via a ruby support = group - the JS and node JS community also may be of assistance but they = tend to have a very narrow view of the world=85. ;-) RB On Jan 2, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Robert Boyer wrote: > To deal with this kind of traffic you will most likely need to set up = a mongo db cluster of more than a few instances=85 much better. There = should be A LOT of info on how to scale mongo to the level you are = looking for but most likely you will find that on ruby forums NOT on = *NIX boards=85. >=20 > The OS boards/focus will help you with fine tuning but all the fine = tuning in the world will not solve an app architecture issue=85 >=20 > I have setup MASSIVE mongo/ruby installs for testing that can do this = sort of volume with ease=85 the stack looks something like this=85. >=20 > Nginix=20 > Unicorn > Sinatra > MongoMapper > MongoDB >=20 > with only one Nginix instance can feed an almost arbitrary number of = Unicorn/Sinatra/MongoMapper instances that can in turn feed a properly = configured MongoDB cluster with pre-allocated key distribution so that = the incoming inserts are spread evenly against the cluster instances=85 >=20 > Even if you do not use ruby that community will have scads of info on = scaling MongoDB. >=20 > One more comment related to L's advice - true you DO NOT want more = transactions queued up if your back-end resources cannot handle the TPS = - this will just make the issue harder to isolate and potentially make = the recovery more difficult. Better to reject the connection at the = front-end than take it and blow up the app/system. >=20 > The beauty of the Nginix/Unicorn solution (Unicorn is ruby specific) = is that there is no queue that is feed to the workers when there are no = workers - the request is rejected. The unicorn worker model can be = reproduced for any other implementation environment (PHP/Perl/C/etc) = outside of ruby in about 30 minutes. It's simple and Nginix is very well = suited to low overhead reverse proxy to this kind of setup. >=20 > Wishing you the best - if i can be of more help let me know=85 >=20 > RB >=20 > On Jan 2, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Eduardo Morras wrote: >=20 >> At 20:12 02/01/2012, Muhammet S. AYDIN wrote: >>> Hello everyone. >>>=20 >>> My first post here and I'd like to thank everyone who's involved = within the >>> FreeBSD project. We are using FreeBSD on our web servers and we are = very >>> happy with it. >>>=20 >>> We have an online messaging application that is using mongodb. Our = members >>> send messages to "the voice" show's (turkish version) contestants. = Our two >>> mongodb instances ended up in two centos6 servers. We have failed. = So hard. >>> There were announcements and calls made live on tv. We had +30K/sec >>> visitors to the app. >>>=20 >>> When I looked at the mongodb errors, I had thousands of these: >>> http://pastie.org/private/nd681sndos0bednzjea0g. You may be = wondering why >>> I'm telling you about centos. Well, we are making the switch from = centos to >>> freebsd FreeBSD. I would like to know what are our limits? How we = can set >>> it up so our FreeBSD servers can handle min 20K connections = (mongodb's >>> connection limit)? >>>=20 >>> Our two servers have 24 core CPUs and 32 GBs of RAM. We are also = very open >>> to suggestions. Please help me out here so we don't fail deadly, = again. >>>=20 >>> ps. this question was asked in the forums as well however as someone >>> suggested in the forums, i am posting it here too. >>=20 >> Is your app limited by cpu or by i/o? What do vmstat/iostat says = about your hd usage? Perhaps mongodb fails to read/write fast enough and = making process thread pool bigger only will make problem worse, there = will be more threads trying to read/write. >>=20 >> Have you already tuned mongodb? >>=20 >> Post more info please, several lines (not the first one) of iostat = and vmstat may be a start. Your hd configuration, raid, etc... too. >>=20 >> L=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 22:38:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C89106566C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114FA8FC24 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B18FF9D for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:38:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:37:56 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <9C50D7032AAA3D7A1D39E45A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <4F022C5F.9040208@mykitchentable.net> References: <4EFF816B.60705@mykitchentable.net> <09FA5A77FFE5778565074B7A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <4F022C5F.9040208@mykitchentable.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Help Recovering FBSD 8 ZFS System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:38:39 -0000 --As of January 2, 2012 2:14:55 PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson is alleged to have said: > Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. However in this case, the controller is > a SATA that's integrated into the motherboard. Since two of 4 are > working, that would mean the controller is OK, right? I guess I could > swap SATA cables for a test. --As for the rest, it is mine. Actually, typically one controller only runs two drives, IIRC. So you could have one bad controller out of two. If swapping cables helps, you may want to try getting a SATA card or something similar. (If swapping cables means you can see the other two drives, a SATA card should mean you'll get all your data back.) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. 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Best regards, Sykadul From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 23:02:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499FD106566B; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2328FC19; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id q02N2P4H067397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:02:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id q02N2PiN067396; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:02:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA19120; Mon, 2 Jan 12 14:31:06 PST Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:30:55 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: emulation@freebsd.org Message-Id: <4f02928f.4lyjxv8bC6jOophQ%perryh@pluto.rain.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au Subject: nss_ldap and the linuxulator X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:02:27 -0000 Forwarding to emulation@, which is where the linuxulator gurus hang out (AFAIK). Please keep Da Rock in the Cc: ==================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:59:57 +1000 From: Da Rock To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: nss_ldap and the linuxulator I've just run into this snag again which I've resolved back in 7.x/8.1: the linuxulator cannot handle nss lookups from ldap. I ran a search for nss_ldap fedora 10 and simply extracted from the rpm the libnss_ldap*.so* in the usr/lib into the corresponding directory under /compat/linux. One then only has to copy or setup the ldap.conf in /compat/linux/etc/ and change /compat/linux/etc/nsswitch.conf so the it will check files and ldap as in the base. It works a charm when you have issues like the missus with acroread and others not working inexplicably. Run acroread from the command line will give you the clue: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id. This solution does fix this categorically. I hope this helps others, but I do have one question: why isn't this included in the ports already? I still haven't yet figured out cups and printer selection yet, but I have made some progress... :) Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 23:28:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAF5106564A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CAC8FC18 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24D6B5C21 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:41:13 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F023CE2.3000808@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:25:22 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120102214243.GA86702@sputnjik.localdomain> <201201021910.29105.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: <201201021910.29105.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Waay OT Now... FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:28:46 -0000 On 01/03/12 08:10, Mario Lobo wrote: > On Monday 02 January 2012 18:42:44 Nikola Pavlović wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 03:32:17PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > [troll snipper] > >>> ..... perhaps could be a porting of the IOKit >>> driver system from Darwin, perhaps even allowing Darwin drivers to be >>> used on FreeBSD. All of this can go into a kernel module so that if all >>> one uses is native FreeBSD drivers made for FreeBSDs normal driver API, >>> they won't need to load this subsystem. >> You see, you could have just proposed this in the first place instead of >> provoking a flame fest, ranting about, mostly imagined, lack of >> documentation, GUI configuration tools and giving condescending lectures >> on programmer productivity. Oh well... > Right on, Nikola ! > > But David's paragraph I left in is a "real dream" for me. It is basicaly > what's keeping me from using FBSD as my audio workstation. > > I have an Echo Gina3D card there is simply no FBSD driver for it. But there > are Mac drivers from Echo!. > > I even too a shot at downloading the framework/API from Echo (windows :( ) > but it is just way above me. > > A colegue from Japan had written a driver for an old Echo Gina 20 bit which I > managed to compile and load (believe it or not) but it was for FBSD 5. I tried > to compile it on my FBSD 8 STABLE but it issues too much errors that (again) > is beyond my capacity. > > But I'm a stubborn one, so I'll try to keep learning from my mistakes. Maybe > one day a new driver for FBSD will be born. Completely off thread now... but I've had success using FBSD as an audio workstation for a recording job. Used Audacity, Rosegarden, hydrogen and Jack with a Yamaha usb soundboard. Midi was an issue though, and I used a linux workstation with Jack using net backend. That was over a year ago, and now I believe there is a jack midi interface for FBSD. Works well, but your hardware sounds like it does differ greatly, sorry. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 23:33:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132831065673 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:33:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02658FC16 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E8AD5C21 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:45:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F023DE1.9080703@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:29:37 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201112302138.pBULcZfw076474@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <4F01B81E.1070802@gmail.com> <1325542778.15616.YahooMailNeo@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1325542778.15616.YahooMailNeo@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mailing list and personal assaults X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:33:02 -0000 On 01/03/12 08:19, Bill Tillman wrote: > I agree. A mailing list like this should not fall to the lowest common denominator. And I would like to add that while this community seems to be an exception, far too often someone wastes bandwidth and bytes by telling the person with a question to RTFM. I just finished a rather complicated project which took me days to resolve and several times when I asked questions there was always some wise crack at hand who would make the commen that "if you just RTFM" everything would be fine. In this case the manuals were lacking and most of the data was obselete or irrelavent to the project I was conducting....kind of like FreeBSD documentation. That is unfortunately the case more often then not. There are use cases out there, but a lot of times the description of actually config variables is obscure. I'm hoping to try and fix that, but its on a todo list. I'll post something when I have it up and running. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 2 23:54:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8111065672 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:54:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3128FC0A for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q02NsD57005237; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q02NsDxJ005234; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:54:13 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Yuri In-Reply-To: <4F0214AE.7000903@rawbw.com> Message-ID: References: <4F0214AE.7000903@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:54:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Mouse motion event holds up the input X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:54:14 -0000 On Mon, 2 Jan 2012, Yuri wrote: > This started from some system update. > > There are some strange dependencies on mouse motion event. For example, when > google is open in chromium and I click on some search choice, it only goes > there after I move the mouse, click itself is not enough. > > Same when I press "Ctrl-Alt-F1", it only goes to the black terminal when I > move the mouse. > Another symptom that I think is related is that doubleclick on the word in > konsole in kde4, and in all browsers, isn't selecting the word as it should. > > I have rebuilt kde4 with all dependencies and it didn't help. > > What might be the problem? That's (often) a classic problem with setting AllowEmptyInput Off. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 01:07:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778F31065678 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 01:07:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BE08FC13 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 01:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so10075498yen.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.185.138 with SMTP id u10mr47667918yhm.57.1325552833389; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([189.115.170.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x8sm121903618anh.17.2012.01.02.17.07.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:07:12 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:07:52 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201201021910.29105.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4F023CE2.3000808@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F023CE2.3000808@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201201022207.52711.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Waay OT Now... FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:07:14 -0000 On Monday 02 January 2012 20:25:22 Da Rock wrote: > On 01/03/12 08:10, Mario Lobo wrote: > > On Monday 02 January 2012 18:42:44 Nikola Pavlovi=C4=87 wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 03:32:17PM -0500, David Jackson wrote: > > [troll snipper] > >=20 > >>> ..... perhaps could be a porting of the IOKit > >>> driver system from Darwin, perhaps even allowing Darwin drivers to be > >>> used on FreeBSD. All of this can go into a kernel module so that if a= ll > >>> one uses is native FreeBSD drivers made for FreeBSDs normal driver AP= I, > >>> they won't need to load this subsystem. > >>=20 > >> You see, you could have just proposed this in the first place instead = of > >> provoking a flame fest, ranting about, mostly imagined, lack of > >> documentation, GUI configuration tools and giving condescending lectur= es > >> on programmer productivity. Oh well... > >=20 > > Right on, Nikola ! > >=20 > > But David's paragraph I left in is a "real dream" for me. It is basicaly > > what's keeping me from using FBSD as my audio workstation. > >=20 > > I have an Echo Gina3D card there is simply no FBSD driver for it. But > > there are Mac drivers from Echo!. > >=20 > > I even too a shot at downloading the framework/API from Echo (windows :( > > ) but it is just way above me. > >=20 > > A colegue from Japan had written a driver for an old Echo Gina 20 bit > > which I managed to compile and load (believe it or not) but it was for > > FBSD 5. I tried to compile it on my FBSD 8 STABLE but it issues too much > > errors that (again) is beyond my capacity. > >=20 > > But I'm a stubborn one, so I'll try to keep learning from my mistakes. > > Maybe one day a new driver for FBSD will be born. >=20 > Completely off thread now... but I've had success using FBSD as an audio > workstation for a recording job. >=20 Humm ... Drivers off-topic in a Kernel Internal documentation discussion? It may be a little off-topic from the OP, but waay OT? Please, allow me to= =20 disagree. > Used Audacity, Rosegarden, hydrogen and Jack with a Yamaha usb > soundboard. Midi was an issue though, and I used a linux workstation > with Jack using net backend. That was over a year ago, and now I believe > there is a jack midi interface for FBSD. >=20 > Works well, but your hardware sounds like it does differ greatly, sorry. Yeah! I've done that too (all on FBSD). But I need it to work with a bit=20 higher end cards like the Gina3D for pro-work. =2D-=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br =46reeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 01:15:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294FC106566B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 01:15:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5948FC13 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 01:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcc3 with SMTP id c3so13726057pbc.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:15:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9/K3slNc3o8Ah883N/VfVV2O3DkrQhG/71K1e5B+ru8=; b=QIDd0CEtksi3WMZ0M5hYYCOyqSd1J09u3f4ijmdY8Q+ywivcJiL3rYDHWBCdJRgNEA J7osIWyuCsfxuVB2aJR4e7zmigi1/vrcW8luP4BlcAxX2Mn1MWnmkJQuFZRfGZTire64 BGiAzqKzbwbKwOHucUHBLFjw4jJamPrXl5Jss= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.75.199 with SMTP id e7mr127476523pbw.128.1325553342154; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:15:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:15:42 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:15:43 -0000 I have a Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950 laptop with a Realtek RTL8191SEvB wireless card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize this card and can't use it, but Ubuntu does. Would it be possible to go glom a Linux driver off the web someplace and install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless to work? I'm using a USB Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy thing sticking out like it does. Thanks, Jeff ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 02:06:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A853D106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9E98FC12 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so15500531wib.13 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:06:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=BCjMkPBQvijJX609rOwigE7pSW9EvfW9CYhlpGMC6Sg=; b=RVv1eFDy3Sl8epSYuL3yKB9pdcchE7ndQUJDrIC9BJL/akgiwQBf1S4RxXKAz8YX4N UNaDvsqqHEL66x2nYmYt5nlsdFBc//8fZ4J3tWJtIIdHt9I7m8QhFKT4bF5cMuy/BoGX s8jAS7l0YRX0AegoAM/W/SUKHIVIYO9OPIjDo= Received: by 10.180.85.4 with SMTP id d4mr109496462wiz.0.1325556375022; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (78.Red-80-39-127.staticIP.rima-tde.net. [80.39.127.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fo18sm52793413wbb.12.2012.01.02.18.06.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:06:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 03:06:11 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 02:06:16 -0000 On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. In its > zeal to make things "just work" in a particular manner, it seems > hell-bent on ignoring all but one way to do things, even as it tries to > dominate its entire market niche to the extent that it eclipses and > marginalizes alternatives. > My two cents with other point of view: OSs need popularity; it encourages hardware manufacturers to write drivers and, even better, share the source. That makes the existence of Ubuntu necessary for linux and indirectly to freebsd. To blame Bill or Steve and appeal to the freedom of users is demagogy since the real dictator are the users themselves. Unfortunately, average final user profile is nearer to my mother in law (she obviously uses MS Windows) than people with professional specific needs like you and me. Negate or hide obvious FreeBSD (or Linux) limitations is the same error than making look Ubuntu easier than it really is or worse, make it look like something that it definitely is not. New users feel fooled or betrayed, that's why some of them reacts complaining. Anyway I don't feel confident enough to assure if this is a good or bad marketing strategy. I remember, in a very bad network curse I did some years ago, a young classmate that after seeing for the first time the KDE desktop disappointed exclaimed: But, It is like Windows! I think the better strategy at long term is to be honest. Other point to consider is that the statements done by who initiated this thread are a "goal"; a goal does not need to be "possible" to be useful; they are necessary like a projection, like an idea. Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 02:23:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454541065670 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwboyer@mac.com) Received: from nk11p99mm-asmtpout005.mac.com (nk11p03mm-asmtp995.mac.com [17.158.233.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2107B8FC0C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:23:39 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.10.132] ([38.102.16.155]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp995.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LX7004THAN7P360@nk11p03mm-asmtp995.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 02:23:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-02_08:2012-01-02, 2012-01-02, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201020296 From: Robert Boyer In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:23:30 -0500 Message-id: <15170C4F-7142-479F-8C61-EC1F2D516441@mac.com> References: <0LX600GBUUP8AWE1@ms02044.mac.com> To: Eduardo Morras X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Muhammet S. AYDIN" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd server limits question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 02:23:40 -0000 Just realized that the MongoDB site now has some recipes up for what you = really need to do to make sure you can handle a lot of incoming new = documents concurrently=85. Boy you had to figure this stuff out yourself just last year - I guess = the mongo community has come a very long way=85. Splitting Shard Chunks - MongoDB enjoy=85. RB On Jan 2, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Robert Boyer wrote: > Sorry one more thought and a clarification=85. >=20 >=20 > I have found that it is best to run mongos with each app server = instance most of the mongo interface libraries aren't intelligent about = the way that they distribute requests to available mongos processes. = mongos processes are also relatively lightweight and need no = coordination or synchronization with each other - simplifies things a = lot and makes any potential bugs/complexity with app server/mongo db = connection logic just go away. >=20 > It's pretty important when configuring shards to take on the write = volume that you do your best to pre-allocate chunks and avoid chunk = migrations during your traffic floods - not hard to do at all. There are = also about a million different ways to deal with atomicity (if that is a = word) and a very mongo specific way of ensuring writes actually "made it = to disk" somewhere =3D from your brief description of the app in = question it does not sound that it is too critical to ensure "every = single solitary piece of data persists no matter what" as I am assuming = most of it is irrelevant and becomes completely irrelevant after the = show- or some time there after. Most of the programing and config = examples make an opposite assumption in that they assume that each = transaction MUST be completely durable - if you forgo that you can get = screaming TPS out of a mongo shard. >=20 > Also if you do not find what you are looking for via a ruby support = group - the JS and node JS community also may be of assistance but they = tend to have a very narrow view of the world=85. ;-) >=20 > RB > On Jan 2, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Robert Boyer wrote: >=20 >> To deal with this kind of traffic you will most likely need to set up = a mongo db cluster of more than a few instances=85 much better. There = should be A LOT of info on how to scale mongo to the level you are = looking for but most likely you will find that on ruby forums NOT on = *NIX boards=85. >>=20 >> The OS boards/focus will help you with fine tuning but all the fine = tuning in the world will not solve an app architecture issue=85 >>=20 >> I have setup MASSIVE mongo/ruby installs for testing that can do this = sort of volume with ease=85 the stack looks something like this=85. >>=20 >> Nginix=20 >> Unicorn >> Sinatra >> MongoMapper >> MongoDB >>=20 >> with only one Nginix instance can feed an almost arbitrary number of = Unicorn/Sinatra/MongoMapper instances that can in turn feed a properly = configured MongoDB cluster with pre-allocated key distribution so that = the incoming inserts are spread evenly against the cluster instances=85 >>=20 >> Even if you do not use ruby that community will have scads of info on = scaling MongoDB. >>=20 >> One more comment related to L's advice - true you DO NOT want more = transactions queued up if your back-end resources cannot handle the TPS = - this will just make the issue harder to isolate and potentially make = the recovery more difficult. Better to reject the connection at the = front-end than take it and blow up the app/system. >>=20 >> The beauty of the Nginix/Unicorn solution (Unicorn is ruby specific) = is that there is no queue that is feed to the workers when there are no = workers - the request is rejected. The unicorn worker model can be = reproduced for any other implementation environment (PHP/Perl/C/etc) = outside of ruby in about 30 minutes. It's simple and Nginix is very well = suited to low overhead reverse proxy to this kind of setup. >>=20 >> Wishing you the best - if i can be of more help let me know=85 >>=20 >> RB >>=20 >> On Jan 2, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Eduardo Morras wrote: >>=20 >>> At 20:12 02/01/2012, Muhammet S. AYDIN wrote: >>>> Hello everyone. >>>>=20 >>>> My first post here and I'd like to thank everyone who's involved = within the >>>> FreeBSD project. We are using FreeBSD on our web servers and we are = very >>>> happy with it. >>>>=20 >>>> We have an online messaging application that is using mongodb. Our = members >>>> send messages to "the voice" show's (turkish version) contestants. = Our two >>>> mongodb instances ended up in two centos6 servers. We have failed. = So hard. >>>> There were announcements and calls made live on tv. We had +30K/sec >>>> visitors to the app. >>>>=20 >>>> When I looked at the mongodb errors, I had thousands of these: >>>> http://pastie.org/private/nd681sndos0bednzjea0g. You may be = wondering why >>>> I'm telling you about centos. Well, we are making the switch from = centos to >>>> freebsd FreeBSD. I would like to know what are our limits? How we = can set >>>> it up so our FreeBSD servers can handle min 20K connections = (mongodb's >>>> connection limit)? >>>>=20 >>>> Our two servers have 24 core CPUs and 32 GBs of RAM. We are also = very open >>>> to suggestions. Please help me out here so we don't fail deadly, = again. >>>>=20 >>>> ps. this question was asked in the forums as well however as = someone >>>> suggested in the forums, i am posting it here too. >>>=20 >>> Is your app limited by cpu or by i/o? What do vmstat/iostat says = about your hd usage? Perhaps mongodb fails to read/write fast enough and = making process thread pool bigger only will make problem worse, there = will be more threads trying to read/write. >>>=20 >>> Have you already tuned mongodb? >>>=20 >>> Post more info please, several lines (not the first one) of iostat = and vmstat may be a start. Your hd configuration, raid, etc... too. >>>=20 >>> L=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 06:40:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7454E106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 06:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from azanar@carrel.org) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21678FC1B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 06:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so27142888wgb.31 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:40:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.198.142 with SMTP id eo14mr49900157wbb.28.1325571461311; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.12.148 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:17:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:17:41 -0800 Message-ID: From: Ed Carrel To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: pf not seeing inbound packets on netgraph interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:40:55 -0000 Hi freebsd-questions, I am running into a roadblock getting PF to filter traffic on a Netgraph interface representing an L2TP/IPSec connection. I have done some narrowing down of the problem, but was hoping to get some advice on figuring out where to go digging next, or things to try. Also, please let me know if I should ask this on another list. For context, here is what I have setup so far: I am running FreeBSD 8.2 with IPSec support compiled into the kernel. Here's the details from uname: # uname -a FreeBSD **** 8.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p4 #2: Sun Nov 27 04:12:16 PST 2011 **** i386 I am following what seems like a typical setup of racoon(8) and setkey(8), and am having mpd5 handle construction of the L2TP nodes in netgraph. I can provide the details on the configuration of each of these, if desired. When I startup racoon in the foreground and ask mpd to construct an L2TP link, I can see both the IPSec tunnel and the L2TP link establish without a problem. I am able to ping the remote end, and, if I set up a routing rule, can contact and ssh to hosts at the other end of the tunnel. Here's how netgraph sees the world when thing are established: # ngctl list There are 13 total nodes: Name: Type: ksocket ID: 000001b3 Num hooks: 1 Name: Type: l2tp ID: 000001b1 Num hooks: 3 Name: Type: socket ID: 000001b0 Num hooks: 1 Name: ng0 Type: iface ID: 000001b6 Num hooks: 1 Name: ngctl26124 Type: socket ID: 000001bd Num hooks: 0 Name: ngctl19375 Type: socket ID: 000000ba Num hooks: 0 Name: mpd25875-stats Type: socket ID: 000001b8 Num hooks: 0 Name: mpd25875-WPLink-lt Type: tee ID: 000001af Num hooks: 2 Name: mpd25875-cso Type: socket ID: 000001ad Num hooks: 0 Name: mpd25875-eso Type: socket ID: 000001ae Num hooks: 0 Name: mpd25875-lso Type: socket ID: 000001ac Num hooks: 1 Name: mpd25875-WPBundle-1 Type: ppp ID: 000001b7 Num hooks: 3 Name: ng0-tee Type: tee ID: 000001b9 Num hooks: 2 # The problem I have is that PF only sees traffic on the outbound side of the netgraph interface. But, the rest of the network stack appears to see data going both ways: # ifconfig ng0 ng0: flags=88d1 metric 0 mtu 1322 inet 10.10.7.40 --> 10.10.0.2 netmask 0xffffffff # pfctl -vvs Interfaces -i ng0 ng0 Cleared: Sun Dec 25 21:14:44 2011 References: [ States: 0 Rules: 9 ] In4/Pass: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] In4/Block: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] Out4/Pass: [ Packets: 5555 Bytes: 446225 ] Out4/Block: [ Packets: 622 Bytes: 56336 ] In6/Pass: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] In6/Block: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] Out6/Pass: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] Out6/Block: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] # netstat -I ng0 -bn Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Idrop Ibytes Opkts Oerrs Obytes Coll ng0 1322 56 0 0 5069 98 0 6032 0 ng0 1322 10.10.7.40/32 10.10.7.40 56 - - 5069 54 - 3472 - I have stood up this interface several times, hence the differing numbers between the PF and netstat. The cause for concern is the lack of packets going through PF when inbound on ng0 -- no problem both seeing them and applying rules going outbound. There isn't a peep about the inbound traffic within pflog0, either. I can see traffic going both ways in tcpdump, and nothing looks peculiar about the packets. # tcpdump -c 10 -i ng0 tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode listening on ng0, link-type NULL (BSD loopback), capture size 96 bytes 22:06:37.201732 IP 10.10.7.40.43113 > 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [S], seq 3442571726, win 65535, options [mss 1282,nop,wscale 3,sackOK,TS val 694436002 ecr 0], length 0 22:06:37.263336 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh > 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [S.], seq 1974232057, ack 3442571727, win 14480, options [mss 1282,sackOK,TS val 370681934 ecr 694436002,nop,wscale 7], length 0 22:06:37.263577 IP 10.10.7.40.43113 > 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [.], ack 1, win 8255, options [nop,nop,TS val 694436064 ecr 370681934], length 0 22:06:37.282835 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh > 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [P.], ack 1, win 114, options [nop,nop,TS val 370681940 ecr 694436064], length 21 22:06:37.283931 IP 10.10.7.40.43113 > 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [P.], ack 22, win 8255, options [nop,nop,TS val 694436084 ecr 370681940], length 40 22:06:37.300729 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh > 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [.], ack 41, win 114, options [nop,nop,TS val 370681945 ecr 694436084], length 0 22:06:37.300943 IP 10.10.7.40.43113 > 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [P.], ack 22, win 8255, options [nop,nop,TS val 694436101 ecr 370681945], length 848 22:06:37.304154 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh > 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [P.], ack 41, win 114, options [nop,nop,TS val 370681945 ecr 694436084], length 984 22:06:37.372460 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh > 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [.], ack 889, win 127, options [nop,nop,TS val 370681967 ecr 694436101], length 0 22:06:37.372663 IP 10.10.7.40.43113 > 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [P.], ack 1006, win 8255, options [nop,nop,TS val 694436173 ecr 370681945], length 24 10 packets captured 22 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel As I noted above, I can interact with hosts over the tunnel so long as PF blindly passes traffic. Attempting to do any sort of stateful connection tracking causes PF to litter /var/log/messages with notices of a "loose state match," which I think is to be expected since it is only seeing the outbound half the network conversation. Ideas on things to try or investigate next? I can provide a paste of any relevant config or log files, just let me know. Thanks, Ed Carrel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 06:44:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA92F106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 06:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5668F8FC0C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 06:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67ECC5C21 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:57:01 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:41:10 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> In-Reply-To: <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:44:34 -0000 On 01/03/12 12:06, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. In its >> zeal to make things "just work" in a particular manner, it seems >> hell-bent on ignoring all but one way to do things, even as it tries to >> dominate its entire market niche to the extent that it eclipses and >> marginalizes alternatives. >> > My two cents with other point of view: > > OSs need popularity; it encourages hardware manufacturers to > write drivers and, even better, share the source. That makes > the existence of Ubuntu necessary for linux and indirectly to > freebsd. > > To blame Bill or Steve and appeal to the freedom of users is > demagogy since the real dictator are the users themselves. > Unfortunately, average final user profile is nearer to my mother > in law (she obviously uses MS Windows) than people with > professional specific needs like you and me. > > Negate or hide obvious FreeBSD (or Linux) limitations is the > same error than making look Ubuntu easier than it really is or > worse, make it look like something that it definitely is not. > New users feel fooled or betrayed, that's why some of them > reacts complaining. Anyway I don't feel confident enough to > assure if this is a good or bad marketing strategy. I remember, > in a very bad network curse I did some years ago, a young > classmate that after seeing for the first time the KDE desktop > disappointed exclaimed: But, It is like Windows! > > I think the better strategy at long term is to be honest. Other > point to consider is that the statements done by who initiated > this thread are a "goal"; a goal does not need to be "possible" > to be useful; they are necessary like a projection, like an > idea. > I agree entirely. My bias is toward the attitude and ethics of the corporations themselves- and their CEO's who run them. I believe in honesty, and I hold a grudge against those in marketing management who simply have no concept of truth- with the exception of whoever wrote one of my marketing textbooks (which I may point out was only used once as the powers that be - the so called gurus - promptly withdrew in the next semester. It apparently didn't agree with "popular" management theory, and was replaced with a 50 year old textbook on the subject). New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 06:47:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95541065675 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 06:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A9D8FC0C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 06:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80FE95C21 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:00:21 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:47:54 -0000 On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > I have a Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950 laptop with a Realtek RTL8191SEvB > wireless card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize this card and can't use > it, but Ubuntu does. > > Would it be possible to go glom a Linux driver off the web someplace and > install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless to work? I'm using a USB > Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy thing sticking out like it does. > Unfortunately the API's are completely different. Adrian Chadd does a lot of work on Wifi in FreeBSD, but I'm not sure if its on the todo list or not. Try a search on google... Sorry I can't help more than that :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 07:23:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EA11065672 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:23:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4D68FC14 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E916B5C21 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:35:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F02AC09.6080005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:19:37 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: pf not seeing inbound packets on netgraph interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:23:03 -0000 On 01/03/12 16:17, Ed Carrel wrote: > Hi freebsd-questions, > > I am running into a roadblock getting PF to filter traffic on a Netgraph > interface representing an L2TP/IPSec connection. I have done some narrowing > down of the problem, but was hoping to get some advice on figuring out > where to go digging next, or things to try. > > Also, please let me know if I should ask this on another list. > > For context, here is what I have setup so far: I am running FreeBSD 8.2 > with IPSec support compiled into the kernel. Here's the details from uname: > > # uname -a > FreeBSD **** 8.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p4 #2: Sun Nov 27 04:12:16 > PST 2011 **** i386 > > I am following what seems like a typical setup of racoon(8) and setkey(8), > and am having mpd5 handle construction of the L2TP nodes in netgraph. I can > provide the details on the configuration of each of these, if desired. When > I startup racoon in the foreground and ask mpd to construct an L2TP link, I > can see both the IPSec tunnel and the L2TP link establish without a > problem. I am able to ping the remote end, and, if I set up a routing rule, > can contact and ssh to hosts at the other end of the tunnel. > > Here's how netgraph sees the world when thing are established: > > # ngctl list > There are 13 total nodes: > Name: Type: ksocket ID: 000001b3 Num hooks: 1 > Name: Type: l2tp ID: 000001b1 Num hooks: 3 > Name: Type: socket ID: 000001b0 Num hooks: 1 > Name: ng0 Type: iface ID: 000001b6 Num hooks: 1 > Name: ngctl26124 Type: socket ID: 000001bd Num hooks: 0 > Name: ngctl19375 Type: socket ID: 000000ba Num hooks: 0 > Name: mpd25875-stats Type: socket ID: 000001b8 Num hooks: 0 > Name: mpd25875-WPLink-lt Type: tee ID: 000001af Num hooks: 2 > Name: mpd25875-cso Type: socket ID: 000001ad Num hooks: 0 > Name: mpd25875-eso Type: socket ID: 000001ae Num hooks: 0 > Name: mpd25875-lso Type: socket ID: 000001ac Num hooks: 1 > Name: mpd25875-WPBundle-1 Type: ppp ID: 000001b7 Num hooks: > 3 > Name: ng0-tee Type: tee ID: 000001b9 Num hooks: 2 > # > > The problem I have is that PF only sees traffic on the outbound side of the > netgraph interface. But, the rest of the network stack appears to see data > going both ways: > > # ifconfig ng0 > ng0: flags=88d1 metric 0 > mtu 1322 > inet 10.10.7.40 --> 10.10.0.2 netmask 0xffffffff > > # pfctl -vvs Interfaces -i ng0 > ng0 > Cleared: Sun Dec 25 21:14:44 2011 > References: [ States: 0 Rules: 9 ] > In4/Pass: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] > In4/Block: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] > Out4/Pass: [ Packets: 5555 Bytes: 446225 ] > Out4/Block: [ Packets: 622 Bytes: 56336 ] > In6/Pass: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] > In6/Block: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] > Out6/Pass: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] > Out6/Block: [ Packets: 0 Bytes: 0 ] > > # netstat -I ng0 -bn > Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Idrop Ibytes > Opkts Oerrs Obytes Coll > ng0 1322 56 0 0 5069 > 98 0 6032 0 > ng0 1322 10.10.7.40/32 10.10.7.40 56 - - 5069 > 54 - 3472 - > > I have stood up this interface several times, hence the differing numbers > between the PF and netstat. The cause for concern is the lack of packets > going through PF when inbound on ng0 -- no problem both seeing them and > applying rules going outbound. There isn't a peep about the inbound traffic > within pflog0, either. > > I can see traffic going both ways in tcpdump, and nothing looks peculiar > about the packets. > > # tcpdump -c 10 -i ng0 > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode > listening on ng0, link-type NULL (BSD loopback), capture size 96 bytes > 22:06:37.201732 IP 10.10.7.40.43113> 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [S], seq > 3442571726, win 65535, options [mss 1282,nop,wscale 3,sackOK,TS val > 694436002 ecr 0], length 0 > 22:06:37.263336 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh> 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [S.], seq > 1974232057, ack 3442571727, win 14480, options [mss 1282,sackOK,TS val > 370681934 ecr 694436002,nop,wscale 7], length 0 > 22:06:37.263577 IP 10.10.7.40.43113> 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [.], ack 1, win > 8255, options [nop,nop,TS val 694436064 ecr 370681934], length 0 > 22:06:37.282835 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh> 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [P.], ack 1, win > 114, options [nop,nop,TS val 370681940 ecr 694436064], length 21 > 22:06:37.283931 IP 10.10.7.40.43113> 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [P.], ack 22, > win 8255, options [nop,nop,TS val 694436084 ecr 370681940], length 40 > 22:06:37.300729 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh> 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [.], ack 41, win > 114, options [nop,nop,TS val 370681945 ecr 694436084], length 0 > 22:06:37.300943 IP 10.10.7.40.43113> 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [P.], ack 22, > win 8255, options [nop,nop,TS val 694436101 ecr 370681945], length 848 > 22:06:37.304154 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh> 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [P.], ack 41, > win 114, options [nop,nop,TS val 370681945 ecr 694436084], length 984 > 22:06:37.372460 IP 10.10.4.3.ssh> 10.10.7.40.43113: Flags [.], ack 889, > win 127, options [nop,nop,TS val 370681967 ecr 694436101], length 0 > 22:06:37.372663 IP 10.10.7.40.43113> 10.10.4.3.ssh: Flags [P.], ack 1006, > win 8255, options [nop,nop,TS val 694436173 ecr 370681945], length 24 > 10 packets captured > 22 packets received by filter > 0 packets dropped by kernel > > As I noted above, I can interact with hosts over the tunnel so long as PF > blindly passes traffic. Attempting to do any sort of stateful connection > tracking causes PF to litter /var/log/messages with notices of a "loose > state match," which I think is to be expected since it is only seeing the > outbound half the network conversation. > > Ideas on things to try or investigate next? I can provide a paste of any > relevant config or log files, just let me know. I'll be very interested to see how you go with this one, as I've been trying to get pf sorted for the same thing. I'm passing it through to a vpn system though. I'm finding the IPSEC is rekeying after a successful negotiation. From what I googled though, no one has figured how to get IPSEC through PF. Been a while since I've had the chance to get back to that though... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 07:47:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25CB1065670 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from james@colannino.org) Received: from gateway02.websitewelcome.com (gateway02.websitewelcome.com [67.18.36.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C7A8FC08 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 5066929C9664E; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 01:47:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator1823.hostgator.com (gator1823.hostgator.com [184.173.227.20]) by gateway02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461D629C9662E for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 01:47:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=56418 helo=localhost) by gator1823.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhz5Y-0007sE-Kw; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:47:16 -0600 Received: from 69.12.176.48 ([69.12.176.48]) by gator1823.hostgator.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:47:16 -0600 Message-ID: <20120103014716.18794962z70vhr40@gator1823.hostgator.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:47:16 -0600 From: james@colannino.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20111229014819.11102imhiognb9es@gator1823.hostgator.com> <4EFC2405.4080103@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20111229112111.1079640ol70p51u0@gator1823.hostgator.com> <4EFD5E9F.3040205@b1c1l1.com> In-Reply-To: <4EFD5E9F.3040205@b1c1l1.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.9) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1823.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - colannino.org X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (localhost) [127.0.0.1]:56418 X-Source-Auth: james@colannino.org X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: Y3JhenlkcmM7Y3JhenlkcmM7Z2F0b3IxODIzLmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Subject: Re: Static IP on a Bridge X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:47:17 -0000 Hey everyone, Sorry for the late response. Got sidetracked during the New Year. Below is my response: Quoting Benjamin Lee : > On 12/29/2011 09:21 AM, james@colannino.org wrote: >> Quoting Matthew Seaman : >> >>> What's the error message you see when you fail to ping out? >> >> ping: cannot resolve google.com: Host name lookup failure > > It seems that you are currently receiving your resolver from DHCP as > well, you should statically configure that in /etc/resolv.conf: > > nameserver 192.168.1.1 I already have nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf. Everything was fine before I setup the bridge. >>> What does the routing table (netstat -r) look like before and after DHCP? >> >> Before DHCP: >> >> Routing tables >> >> Internet: >> Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire >> localhost link#11 UH 0 0 lo0 > [...] > > What happens if you run 'route add default 192.168.1.1' instead of DHCP? > > What is the output of '/etc/rc.d/routing restart'? [root@frodo ~]# route add default 192.168.1.1 route: writing to routing socket: Network is unreachable add net default: gateway 192.168.1.1: Network is unreachable [root@frodo ~]# /etc/rc.d/routing restart route: writing to routing socket: No such process delete net default: gateway 192.168.1.1: not in table delete net ::ffff:0.0.0.0: gateway ::1 delete net ::0.0.0.0: gateway ::1 delete net fe80::: gateway ::1 delete net ff02::: gateway ::1 ifconfig: interface auto does not exist route: writing to routing socket: Network is unreachable add net default: gateway 192.168.1.1: Network is unreachable add net ::ffff:0.0.0.0: gateway ::1 add net ::0.0.0.0: gateway ::1 add net fe80::: gateway ::1 add net ff02::: gateway ::1 James From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 08:12:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DB1106566B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C79E8FC0A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so27206078wgb.31 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.200.71 with SMTP id ev7mr50737059wbb.24.1325578353192; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.194.75.63] ([92.90.16.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm124824680wiz.11.2012.01.03.00.12.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 00:12:32 -0800 (PST) References: <4F02AC09.6080005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F02AC09.6080005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <20492D60-81BE-43A1-BCE1-594F5715ABF6@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:12:15 +0100 To: Da Rock Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: pf not seeing inbound packets on netgraph interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:12:34 -0000 Thinking -pf@ or -net@ would be a better place to discuss this, more chances= of getting an answer. Out of curiosity why not use a gif interface ? I had that working just fine with racoon and was able to actually firewall t= raffic on it with PF, iirc.= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 08:46:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41906106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stb@lassitu.de) Received: from gilb.zs64.net (gilb.zs64.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f0b:105e::1ea]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0783A8FC0C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gilb.zs64.net (Postfix, from stb@lassitu.de) id D2F2A1172C2 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:46:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Stefan Bethke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:46:20 +0100 Message-Id: To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org questions" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Subject: Overwrite uncorrectable error LBA? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:23 -0000 Smartctl is reporting an uncorrectable error for one of my disks: =3D=3D=3D START OF INFORMATION SECTION =3D=3D=3D Model Family: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 Device Model: Hitachi HDS722020ALA330 Serial Number: JK1130YAHXN28T LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 221db1d3f Firmware Version: JKAOA28A User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB] Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is: Tue Jan 3 09:38:46 2012 CET SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled ... 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always = - 1 ... Error 25 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 7362 hours (306 days + 18 = hours) When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active = or idle. After command completion occurred, registers were: ER ST SC SN CL CH DH -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 40 51 68 d0 cd d0 00 Error: UNC at LBA =3D 0x00d0cdd0 =3D 13684176 Commands leading to the command that caused the error were: CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- -------------------- 60 ab 60 90 d3 d0 40 00 33d+04:43:22.635 READ FPDMA QUEUED 60 ab 58 e5 d2 d0 40 00 33d+04:43:22.634 READ FPDMA QUEUED 60 ab 50 3a d2 d0 40 00 33d+04:43:22.634 READ FPDMA QUEUED 60 ab 48 8f d1 d0 40 00 33d+04:43:22.634 READ FPDMA QUEUED 60 ab 40 e4 d0 d0 40 00 33d+04:43:22.634 READ FPDMA QUEUED I'm reading this as LBA 13684176 being the one uncorrectable error. Since this disk is part of a ZRAID1 pool, I'd just overwrite that LBA to = have the disk remap it, but I'm not sure how to address it properly: dd = seemingly reads that LBA without problems? # dd if=3D/dev/ada0 iseek=3D13684176 count=3D1 of=3D/dev/null 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 512 bytes transferred in 0.025676 secs (19941 bytes/sec) I would have expected the disk to either take a long time or respond = with an I/O error outright. Am I looking at the right LBA? I currently have a zpool scrub running, and I will start a long test = after that just to make sure there's no further problems hiding. Any = other suggestions? 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5sm74038115yhl.19.2012.01.03.04.10.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3THYxx1MHcz2CG5x for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:10:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:10:28 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:10:33 -0000 On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > > I have a Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950 laptop with a Realtek > > RTL8191SEvB wireless card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize this > > card and can't use it, but Ubuntu does. > > > > Would it be possible to go glom a Linux driver off the web > > someplace and install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless to > > work? I'm using a USB Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy > > thing sticking out like it does. > > > Unfortunately the API's are completely different. Adrian Chadd does a > lot of work on Wifi in FreeBSD, but I'm not sure if its on the todo > list or not. Try a search on google... This is what drives me to pull my hair out. I have stated several times that all the *nix/*BSD consortium needs to do to become truly competitive in the market is to devise a uniform API that works the same on FreeBSD as on Ubuntu and every other non-windows based system. The concept is so simple that it amazes me that it was not implemented eons ago. The problem is that the non-windows operating system authors all behave live little children. None of them can simply get along. The all have to insist that "they" have the best and everyone else is wrong. They swing between Narcissism and Paranoia on any given day. You would have an easier time getting a Jew and a Muslim to sit down at a table and enjoy a ham dinner than you have of getting the powers that be in the non-windows community to agree to anything, other than their hatred of Microsoft of course. I have spoken with representatives of companies, the last one being Brother International, who plain out stated that they only support Microsoft (naturally - they offer the easiest and best documented system for driver installation) and a vanilla Linux solution. They openly stated that there is no way that they would even attempt to write software for a market as fractured as the *nix/*BSD community and then be straddled with the problem of supporting such software. Hell, every time someone in the BSD community dotted an "i" in the kernel source code the poor driver authors would have to rewrite their device code. Certainly a task I would not want to be assigned. Ubuntu is years ahead of FreeBSD in creating a useful and fully functional desktop, I read where they were working on making it possible to use a driver disk intended for Microsoft's Windows OS usable in Ubuntu. They were working on a method of simply extracting the code needed directly from a CD and using it directly on Ubuntu. Now that is what I call true "forward" thinking. The authors of FreeBSD, and to a lesser extend Linux remind me of group of of passengers left floating in the ocean after their ship sank. The best case scenario at that point would be to be rescued by another passing ship. However, while waiting for that to occur it would seem logical to grab onto any object that floated by and thereby allow the stranded individual a better chance at survival. If these were Ubuntu survivors there would be no question as to what they would choose to do, as well as some of the more enlighten *nix" users. However, the *BSD users, especially the FreeBSD ones would rather drown than accept a solution that was not counter to what everyone else was trying to accomplish. I have, mistakenly I admit, stated that there are no drivers for lots of devices currently available on the market, especially the higher end ones. That statement is essentially incorrect. There are drivers for these devices, and other OSs are taking advantage of them. FreeBSD, in its unending war against simplicity and continued insistence on reinventing the wheel, refuses to avail itself of them. You can lead a horse to water; however, you cannot stop it from running head long into the desert and dying of thirst. Stupidity IS its own punishment. It took the Catholic church until 1992 to admit that Galileo Galilei was correct and the earth does rotate around the sun. So there is hope. Perhaps someday FreeBSD will become "enlightened" also. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 12:11:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEE4106567B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sykadul@astalavista.com) Received: from cfe1.sui-inter.net (cfe1.sui-inter.net [80.74.150.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A868FC17 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26425 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2012 13:11:09 +0100 Date: 3 Jan 2012 13:11:09 +0100 Message-ID: <20120103121109.26423.qmail@cfe1.sui-inter.net> From: sykadul@astalavista.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? 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[88.9.115.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id st7sm42569024lab.12.2012.01.03.04.12.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:12:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:12:11 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> References: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:12:17 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of > things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under > the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start > immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. When people think in freedom, think in rights. And rights are something that some "authority" give or steal. Multinationals think in what is good to sell. People like "comfort" over all. The taste of people is fantastically represented in the Wall-E movie; to "arise and walk" is not considered a right. Futurist?, my father, thirty years ago, to go to the corner to buy cigarettes, took the car; today he has half body paralyzed by an hemiplegia, and perhaps one day to arise and walk will not be a right for him. Let's avoid talking about non trivial tasks like hacking a kernel; for example, to copy or move a file you are free to choose between drag and drop with your mouse in a graphical file manager and open a console and use the command line, even in MS Windows. My wife, in case Finder.app crash, she reboot the machine. She ignores if an usb memory is filled up with hidden files used by Mac OS X; she ignores that files copied from a fat file system have executable flag on so she could resend an infected jpeg in an email to a MS Windows user customer. Furthermore she is not a good example of the average final user, because the machine for her (she is a graphical designer) is a tool, not a toy. The question is which immoral entity is stealing her rights? In an emacs mailing list I told Stallman that to teach people to be free is a contradiction. He called me "defeatist". Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 12:34:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01499106566C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abalour@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B176B8FC0C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so13431569ggn.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:34:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=HHzxzWD0bi4dwXJUhuUVGm1C1mvciWoYbPF/zIPRvxs=; b=wl2XWQOFNKS+FLmA1mKouIBbWD7SvGogffeG2y0bHXCcgdS4gPsVS98jCNABxAVCTm IuP1fahDMqbYNpd8doaOt8rTEt2fdXC6cRyyyvWRtF2HpwKIwoV5kINcpBU/NsK7eT0x WHrdKtVmKYpy/82MdXHfWEngFBRP2osIM2tbE= Received: by 10.101.213.31 with SMTP id p31mr20246578anq.57.1325592633318; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 04:10:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: abalour@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.231.16 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 04:10:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ross Cameron Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:10:07 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ebC3SlHu73mL7SekuvaJwhYpInI Message-ID: To: "Muhammet S. AYDIN" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd server limits question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:34:37 -0000 Hi there Huhammet What are the contents of the following files on you're CentOS 6.x shards ? /etc/security/limits.conf and /etc/security/limits.d/90-nproc.conf What version of MongoDB are you running, is it from packages (if so who's) or is it self compiled? Have you tried running the MongoDB shards on the most recent CentOS 5.x release? If so what differences do you note, if any? This could help diagnose the source of you're problems. Also what is the current stack size of you're MongoDB shards (set via the -s parameter) ? And lastly what is the system load like at the heaviest transaction points (vmstat and iostat can help you out there) ? If this is a branded name server set what is the exact model and hardware configuration? Are you running 32bit or 64bit instances of MongoDB on 32bit or 64bit CentOS 6.x ? Regards,... Ross Cameron eMail : ross.cameron@unix.net Phone : +27 (0)79 491-9954 On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Muhammet S. AYDIN wrote: > Hello everyone. > > My first post here and I'd like to thank everyone who's involved within the > FreeBSD project. We are using FreeBSD on our web servers and we are very > happy with it. > > We have an online messaging application that is using mongodb. Our members > send messages to "the voice" show's (turkish version) contestants. Our two > mongodb instances ended up in two centos6 servers. We have failed. So hard. > There were announcements and calls made live on tv. We had +30K/sec > visitors to the app. > > When I looked at the mongodb errors, I had thousands of these: > http://pastie.org/private/nd681sndos0bednzjea0g. You may be wondering why > I'm telling you about centos. Well, we are making the switch from centos to > freebsd FreeBSD. I would like to know what are our limits? How we can set > it up so our FreeBSD servers can handle min 20K connections (mongodb's > connection limit)? > > Our two servers have 24 core CPUs and 32 GBs of RAM. We are also very open > to suggestions. Please help me out here so we don't fail deadly, again. > > ps. this question was asked in the forums as well however as someone > suggested in the forums, i am posting it here too. > > -- > Muhammet S. AYDIN > http://compector.com > http://mengu.net > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 14:06:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFE91065670 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5B58FC14 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9EFC15C24 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:19:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F030AB4.8090605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:03:32 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> In-Reply-To: <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:06:57 -0000 On 01/03/12 22:12, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >> New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of >> things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under >> the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start >> immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. > > When people think in freedom, think in rights. And rights are > something that some "authority" give or steal. > > Multinationals think in what is good to sell. People like > "comfort" over all. The taste of people is fantastically > represented in the Wall-E movie; to "arise and walk" is not > considered a right. Futurist?, my father, thirty years ago, to > go to the corner to buy cigarettes, took the car; today he has > half body paralyzed by an hemiplegia, and perhaps one day to > arise and walk will not be a right for him. > > Let's avoid talking about non trivial tasks like hacking a > kernel; for example, to copy or move a file you are free to > choose between drag and drop with your mouse in a graphical file > manager and open a console and use the command line, even in MS > Windows. My wife, in case Finder.app crash, she reboot the > machine. She ignores if an usb memory is filled up with hidden > files used by Mac OS X; she ignores that files copied from a fat > file system have executable flag on so she could resend an > infected jpeg in an email to a MS Windows user customer. > > Furthermore she is not a good example of the average final user, > because the machine for her (she is a graphical designer) is a > tool, not a toy. > > The question is which immoral entity is stealing her rights? That is the point after all. Rights are in the eye of the beholder... I personally prefer the ability to accomplish what I want with a stable system. Others may not. To do either requires a relinquishment of some other rights, but I would like to see less rights having to be relinquished in order to achieve my own freedom, and I work towards that for myself and others. If less rights had to be relinquished, others may rally to this flag as well. > In an emacs mailing list I told Stallman that to teach people to > be free is a contradiction. He called me "defeatist". > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 14:21:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1D1106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6728FC12 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25DC15C21 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:33:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:17:36 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:21:01 -0000 On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 > Da Rock articulated: > >> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>> I have a Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950 laptop with a Realtek >>> RTL8191SEvB wireless card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize this >>> card and can't use it, but Ubuntu does. >>> >>> Would it be possible to go glom a Linux driver off the web >>> someplace and install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless to >>> work? I'm using a USB Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy >>> thing sticking out like it does. >>> >> Unfortunately the API's are completely different. Adrian Chadd does a >> lot of work on Wifi in FreeBSD, but I'm not sure if its on the todo >> list or not. Try a search on google... > This is what drives me to pull my hair out. I have stated several times > that all the *nix/*BSD consortium needs to do to become truly > competitive in the market is to devise a uniform API that works the same > on FreeBSD as on Ubuntu and every other non-windows based system. The > concept is so simple that it amazes me that it was not implemented > eons ago. > > The problem is that the non-windows operating system authors all behave > live little children. None of them can simply get along. The all have > to insist that "they" have the best and everyone else is wrong. They > swing between Narcissism and Paranoia on any given day. You would have > an easier time getting a Jew and a Muslim to sit down at a table and > enjoy a ham dinner than you have of getting the powers that be in the > non-windows community to agree to anything, other than their hatred of > Microsoft of course. > > I have spoken with representatives of companies, the last one being > Brother International, who plain out stated that they only support > Microsoft (naturally - they offer the easiest and best documented > system for driver installation) and a vanilla Linux solution. They > openly stated that there is no way that they would even attempt to > write software for a market as fractured as the *nix/*BSD community and > then be straddled with the problem of supporting such software. Hell, > every time someone in the BSD community dotted an "i" in the kernel > source code the poor driver authors would have to rewrite their device > code. Certainly a task I would not want to be assigned. > > Ubuntu is years ahead of FreeBSD in creating a useful and fully > functional desktop, I read where they were working on making it > possible to use a driver disk intended for Microsoft's Windows OS > usable in Ubuntu. They were working on a method of simply extracting > the code needed directly from a CD and using it directly on Ubuntu. Now > that is what I call true "forward" thinking. > > The authors of FreeBSD, and to a lesser extend Linux remind me of group > of of passengers left floating in the ocean after their ship sank. The > best case scenario at that point would be to be rescued by another > passing ship. However, while waiting for that to occur it would seem > logical to grab onto any object that floated by and thereby allow the > stranded individual a better chance at survival. If these were Ubuntu > survivors there would be no question as to what they would choose to > do, as well as some of the more enlighten *nix" users. However, the > *BSD users, especially the FreeBSD ones would rather drown than accept > a solution that was not counter to what everyone else was trying to > accomplish. > > I have, mistakenly I admit, stated that there are no drivers for lots > of devices currently available on the market, especially the higher end > ones. That statement is essentially incorrect. There are drivers for > these devices, and other OSs are taking advantage of them. FreeBSD, > in its unending war against simplicity and continued insistence > on reinventing the wheel, refuses to avail itself of them. > > You can lead a horse to water; however, you cannot stop it from running > head long into the desert and dying of thirst. Stupidity IS its own > punishment. > > It took the Catholic church until 1992 to admit that Galileo Galilei > was correct and the earth does rotate around the sun. So there is hope. > Perhaps someday FreeBSD will become "enlightened" also. > Jerry, there are so many things that are so wrong and so un-pc in this statement that it is more than ridiculous. But we will ignore the political/religious sentiments and try to stick to the technical. Winblows, Mac, Linux, BSD, others APIs are like cheese and chalk (although Mac is a closer relative than any other). By your logic we should be getting Winblows drivers to work on BSD. And thats not even touching the licensing issues. Or the simple design policies (such as userspace or kernel modules) that differ from platform to platform. Some ray of hope allowed some linux drivers to reach the horizon, but so far only usb is remotely possible. Perhaps you might become enlightened enough to do the research (like I did) on the background and core details of what is involved before you start a rant such as this. This has been brought to your attention before, only recently in fact. Start with an introduction to OS design textbook and you may just barely touch the tip of the iceberg... And if you see us as people floating in the ocean after a ship sank, why are you still here then? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 14:46:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8320C1065670 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:46:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAD18FC16 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so38970362iad.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:46:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.162.197 with SMTP id z5mr8728917icx.48.1325602014654; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:46:54 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.77.5 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 06:46:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:46:54 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: qpIyhEkp-qz4pnMtzXUZ2rLaoko Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Da Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:46:56 -0000 On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Da Rock wrote: > On 01/03/12 12:06, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >>> >>> Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. =A0In its >>> zeal to make things "just work" in a particular manner, it seems I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour software, why does it run half the Internet? http://freebsdfoundation.blogspot.com/2011/12/apache-software-foundation-te= stimonial.html --=20 Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 15:01:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F401065672 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D4E8FC15 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:01:55 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=aebDe3x1E+SOfJfjUntkJyV8MhSUq5XALrwMOm7u714=; b=DBPKE2g0g9TcLesiWiJNfzlRMjH7CT+4iwa33R2FutJ0OazHUuA1wcQVi2HCy6EG31RpLvilNqxg9fNYupXUo11J0tj10LE2DONId9COmD5tjq8ywm0ZzthDTYvqPnJB; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri5s9-000LRd-Iw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:01:54 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1325602907-88972-88971/5/1; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:01:47 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:01:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.60 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:01:55 -0000 On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:54 -0600, Alejandro Imass wrote: > I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour > software, why does it run half the Internet? This must be a mistake. I was just assured this weekend that FreeBSD is a niche OS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 15:04:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FDF106566C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:04:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A968FC14 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q03F3Jw1043591; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:03:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id q03F3JLu043590; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:03:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:03:19 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Mark Felder Message-ID: <20120103150319.GC43439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:04:56 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:01:47AM -0600, Mark Felder wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:54 -0600, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > >I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour > >software, why does it run half the Internet? > > This must be a mistake. I was just assured this weekend that FreeBSD is a > niche OS. Yah, and hat is its niche. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 15:06:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1A61065672 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D52F8FC1A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so10297178yen.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.146.36 with SMTP id q24mr68263497yhj.85.1325603171867; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b36sm38132594yhj.22.2012.01.03.07.06.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3THdrd1p5lz2CG5x for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:06:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:06:08 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120103100608.15f8d2d1@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:06:12 -0000 On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:17:36 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: > > On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 > > Da Rock articulated: > > > >> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > >>> I have a Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950 laptop with a Realtek > >>> RTL8191SEvB wireless card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize > >>> this card and can't use it, but Ubuntu does. > >>> > >>> Would it be possible to go glom a Linux driver off the web > >>> someplace and install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless to > >>> work? I'm using a USB Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy > >>> thing sticking out like it does. > >>> > >> Unfortunately the API's are completely different. Adrian Chadd > >> does a lot of work on Wifi in FreeBSD, but I'm not sure if its on > >> the todo list or not. Try a search on google... > > This is what drives me to pull my hair out. I have stated several > > times that all the *nix/*BSD consortium needs to do to become truly > > competitive in the market is to devise a uniform API that works the > > same on FreeBSD as on Ubuntu and every other non-windows based > > system. The concept is so simple that it amazes me that it was not > > implemented eons ago. > > > > The problem is that the non-windows operating system authors all > > behave live little children. None of them can simply get along. The > > all have to insist that "they" have the best and everyone else is > > wrong. They swing between Narcissism and Paranoia on any given day. > > You would have an easier time getting a Jew and a Muslim to sit > > down at a table and enjoy a ham dinner than you have of getting the > > powers that be in the non-windows community to agree to anything, > > other than their hatred of Microsoft of course. > > > > I have spoken with representatives of companies, the last one being > > Brother International, who plain out stated that they only support > > Microsoft (naturally - they offer the easiest and best documented > > system for driver installation) and a vanilla Linux solution. They > > openly stated that there is no way that they would even attempt to > > write software for a market as fractured as the *nix/*BSD community > > and then be straddled with the problem of supporting such software. > > Hell, every time someone in the BSD community dotted an "i" in the > > kernel source code the poor driver authors would have to rewrite > > their device code. Certainly a task I would not want to be assigned. > > > > Ubuntu is years ahead of FreeBSD in creating a useful and fully > > functional desktop, I read where they were working on making it > > possible to use a driver disk intended for Microsoft's Windows OS > > usable in Ubuntu. They were working on a method of simply extracting > > the code needed directly from a CD and using it directly on Ubuntu. > > Now that is what I call true "forward" thinking. > > > > The authors of FreeBSD, and to a lesser extend Linux remind me of > > group of of passengers left floating in the ocean after their ship > > sank. The best case scenario at that point would be to be rescued > > by another passing ship. However, while waiting for that to occur > > it would seem logical to grab onto any object that floated by and > > thereby allow the stranded individual a better chance at survival. > > If these were Ubuntu survivors there would be no question as to > > what they would choose to do, as well as some of the more enlighten > > *nix" users. However, the *BSD users, especially the FreeBSD ones > > would rather drown than accept a solution that was not counter to > > what everyone else was trying to accomplish. > > > > I have, mistakenly I admit, stated that there are no drivers for > > lots of devices currently available on the market, especially the > > higher end ones. That statement is essentially incorrect. There are > > drivers for these devices, and other OSs are taking advantage of > > them. FreeBSD, in its unending war against simplicity and continued > > insistence on reinventing the wheel, refuses to avail itself of > > them. > > > > You can lead a horse to water; however, you cannot stop it from > > running head long into the desert and dying of thirst. Stupidity IS > > its own punishment. > > > > It took the Catholic church until 1992 to admit that Galileo Galilei > > was correct and the earth does rotate around the sun. So there is > > hope. Perhaps someday FreeBSD will become "enlightened" also. > > > Jerry, there are so many things that are so wrong and so un-pc in > this statement that it is more than ridiculous. But we will ignore > the political/religious sentiments and try to stick to the technical. > > Winblows, Mac, Linux, BSD, others APIs are like cheese and chalk > (although Mac is a closer relative than any other). By your logic we > should be getting Winblows drivers to work on BSD. FreePiss, etcetera and their API's are like cheese and chalk! How the hell did you come up with that analogy? Further, who the hell is MAC's relative? To move right along, if a driver all ready exists for a device why not take full advantage of it? Obviously, you failed to read my statement regarding a unified API. There has been a serious push I have observed on the Linux forums towards consolidation of resources which would lead to a higher quality product. Gnome and even KDE are considering allocating their resources towards a more fully Linux based environment thereby reducing the time wasted in a really vain attempt to support every OS in sight. A unified API would be a tremendous asset in this goal and reduce considerable the lag time in getting drivers into practical circulation on a given OS. > And thats not even touching the licensing issues. Or the simple > design policies (such as userspace or kernel modules) that differ > from platform to platform. Please see the statement regarding a unified API. > Some ray of hope allowed some linux drivers to reach the horizon, but > so far only usb is remotely possible. I don't know what you are writing about here and I doubt that you do. > Perhaps you might become enlightened enough to do the research (like > I did) on the background and core details of what is involved before > you start a rant such as this. This has been brought to your > attention before, only recently in fact. > > Start with an introduction to OS design textbook and you may just > barely touch the tip of the iceberg... There is all ready work being done by Ubuntu and apparently others on creating a workable model for using existing drivers, originally designed for the Windows architecture on non-windows system. There is no reason to reinvent the wheel when it only needs a paint job. > And if you see us as people floating in the ocean after a ship sank, > why are you still here then? I don't know; maybe I just enjoy watching people drown. What you really should be asking yourself is why, if your business model for FreePiss is so fundamentally sound then why is it always trailing every other OS in desktop usability? Your own response to the OP of this tread stated that a perfectly good driver fully available on another OS, one not even associated with Microsoft, was unusable in the FreePiss environment. Didn't it even remotely occur to you that a uniformed API would alleviate that problem or are you so territorial that, that concept is alien to you? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 15:14:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA681065672 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979E28FC12 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED601E54C; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:14:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q03FEqqB003945; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:14:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:14:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Mark Felder Message-Id: <20120103161452.3b10bb2f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:14:55 -0000 On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:01:47 -0600, Mark Felder wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:54 -0600, Alejandro Imass wrote: > > > I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour > > software, why does it run half the Internet? > > This must be a mistake. I was just assured this weekend that FreeBSD is a > niche OS. Maybe consider the chance that a FreeBSD OS can be turned into closed source (which the license explicitely allows) and put into some embedded device, a router, a DSL modem, a managed switch... In parts like this, you won't recognize FreeBSD anymore. If you consider such devices "niche devices", think again: You'll find them near any Internet-connected computer and among the bowels of the whole Internet. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 15:17:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA23D106566B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:17:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C998FC0C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so13514237ggn.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:17:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.17.195 with SMTP id q3mr62725860igd.11.1325603847518; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.77.5 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120103161452.3b10bb2f.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103161452.3b10bb2f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:17:27 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: BY9eZTumkjTDMLdlvMgOnPV8JUE Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Mark Felder , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:17:29 -0000 On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:01:47 -0600, Mark Felder wrote: >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:46:54 -0600, Alejandro Imass wrote: >> >> > I would just like to add that is FreeBSD was so crappy open sour >> > software, why does it run half the Internet? >> >> This must be a mistake. I was just assured this weekend that FreeBSD is a >> niche OS. > > Maybe consider the chance that a FreeBSD OS can be > turned into closed source (which the license explicitely > allows) and put into some embedded device, a router, > a DSL modem, a managed switch... In parts like this, > you won't recognize FreeBSD anymore. If you consider > such devices "niche devices", think again: You'll > find them near any Internet-connected computer and > among the bowels of the whole Internet. :-) > Apple's OS X and iOS for starters. It was heavily based on *BSD, including parts of FBSD From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 15:27:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBEC106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:27:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF69B8FC14 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:27:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=s/dMuQkA7Z5m640TOoonVnFvz9s4bU4xRlde7prHh0I=; b=lOfDpsPRtjhChE+gzsVguAjaHIAiultBA55StLiCO/D44K3xcUhuGin7WggaPZv3xi0CD6j9197D/0b+pm8cG1/r00iaEb5CbVgvPLPk0EmMLkg1F+Fylf+mKJLwu7dE; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri6Gq-000M7E-Fv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:27:25 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1325604438-88972-88971/5/2; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:27:18 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103161452.3b10bb2f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 09:27:18 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20120103161452.3b10bb2f.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.60 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:27:26 -0000 On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:14:52 -0600, Polytropon wrote: > Maybe consider the chance that a FreeBSD OS can be > turned into closed source (which the license explicitely > allows) and put into some embedded device, a router, > a DSL modem, a managed switch... In parts like this, > you won't recognize FreeBSD anymore. If you consider > such devices "niche devices", think again: You'll > find them near any Internet-connected computer and > among the bowels of the whole Internet. Well we just picked up some Juniper MX80s here at work. That's right, they can route 80gbit/s and the OS that controls the hardware is basically FreeBSD at the core. (I understand the actual routing is fully done in hardware, but still -- I can get a familiar FreeBSD shell and do what I wish with these devices.) I think FreeBSD is doing *just* fine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 15:31:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79332106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35758FC0C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D4F525C21 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 01:44:08 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F031E91.1040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:28:17 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103100608.15f8d2d1@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120103100608.15f8d2d1@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:31:42 -0000 On 01/04/12 01:06, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:17:36 +1000 > Da Rock articulated: > >> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>> Da Rock articulated: >>> >>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>>>> I have a Toshiba Satellite U505-S2950 laptop with a Realtek >>>>> RTL8191SEvB wireless card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize >>>>> this card and can't use it, but Ubuntu does. >>>>> >>>>> Would it be possible to go glom a Linux driver off the web >>>>> someplace and install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless to >>>>> work? I'm using a USB Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy >>>>> thing sticking out like it does. >>>>> >>>> Unfortunately the API's are completely different. Adrian Chadd >>>> does a lot of work on Wifi in FreeBSD, but I'm not sure if its on >>>> the todo list or not. Try a search on google... >>> This is what drives me to pull my hair out. I have stated several >>> times that all the *nix/*BSD consortium needs to do to become truly >>> competitive in the market is to devise a uniform API that works the >>> same on FreeBSD as on Ubuntu and every other non-windows based >>> system. The concept is so simple that it amazes me that it was not >>> implemented eons ago. >>> >>> The problem is that the non-windows operating system authors all >>> behave live little children. None of them can simply get along. The >>> all have to insist that "they" have the best and everyone else is >>> wrong. They swing between Narcissism and Paranoia on any given day. >>> You would have an easier time getting a Jew and a Muslim to sit >>> down at a table and enjoy a ham dinner than you have of getting the >>> powers that be in the non-windows community to agree to anything, >>> other than their hatred of Microsoft of course. >>> >>> I have spoken with representatives of companies, the last one being >>> Brother International, who plain out stated that they only support >>> Microsoft (naturally - they offer the easiest and best documented >>> system for driver installation) and a vanilla Linux solution. They >>> openly stated that there is no way that they would even attempt to >>> write software for a market as fractured as the *nix/*BSD community >>> and then be straddled with the problem of supporting such software. >>> Hell, every time someone in the BSD community dotted an "i" in the >>> kernel source code the poor driver authors would have to rewrite >>> their device code. Certainly a task I would not want to be assigned. >>> >>> Ubuntu is years ahead of FreeBSD in creating a useful and fully >>> functional desktop, I read where they were working on making it >>> possible to use a driver disk intended for Microsoft's Windows OS >>> usable in Ubuntu. They were working on a method of simply extracting >>> the code needed directly from a CD and using it directly on Ubuntu. >>> Now that is what I call true "forward" thinking. >>> >>> The authors of FreeBSD, and to a lesser extend Linux remind me of >>> group of of passengers left floating in the ocean after their ship >>> sank. The best case scenario at that point would be to be rescued >>> by another passing ship. However, while waiting for that to occur >>> it would seem logical to grab onto any object that floated by and >>> thereby allow the stranded individual a better chance at survival. >>> If these were Ubuntu survivors there would be no question as to >>> what they would choose to do, as well as some of the more enlighten >>> *nix" users. However, the *BSD users, especially the FreeBSD ones >>> would rather drown than accept a solution that was not counter to >>> what everyone else was trying to accomplish. >>> >>> I have, mistakenly I admit, stated that there are no drivers for >>> lots of devices currently available on the market, especially the >>> higher end ones. That statement is essentially incorrect. There are >>> drivers for these devices, and other OSs are taking advantage of >>> them. FreeBSD, in its unending war against simplicity and continued >>> insistence on reinventing the wheel, refuses to avail itself of >>> them. >>> >>> You can lead a horse to water; however, you cannot stop it from >>> running head long into the desert and dying of thirst. Stupidity IS >>> its own punishment. >>> >>> It took the Catholic church until 1992 to admit that Galileo Galilei >>> was correct and the earth does rotate around the sun. So there is >>> hope. Perhaps someday FreeBSD will become "enlightened" also. >>> >> Jerry, there are so many things that are so wrong and so un-pc in >> this statement that it is more than ridiculous. But we will ignore >> the political/religious sentiments and try to stick to the technical. >> >> Winblows, Mac, Linux, BSD, others APIs are like cheese and chalk >> (although Mac is a closer relative than any other). By your logic we >> should be getting Winblows drivers to work on BSD. > FreePiss, etcetera and their API's are like cheese and chalk! How the > hell did you come up with that analogy? Further, who the hell is MAC's > relative? To move right along, if a driver all ready exists for a > device why not take full advantage of it? Obviously, you failed to read > my statement regarding a unified API. There has been a serious push I > have observed on the Linux forums towards consolidation of resources > which would lead to a higher quality product. Gnome and even KDE are > considering allocating their resources towards a more fully Linux based > environment thereby reducing the time wasted in a really vain attempt > to support every OS in sight. A unified API would be a tremendous asset > in this goal and reduce considerable the lag time in getting drivers > into practical circulation on a given OS. > >> And thats not even touching the licensing issues. Or the simple >> design policies (such as userspace or kernel modules) that differ >> from platform to platform. > Please see the statement regarding a unified API. > >> Some ray of hope allowed some linux drivers to reach the horizon, but >> so far only usb is remotely possible. > I don't know what you are writing about here and I doubt that you do. > >> Perhaps you might become enlightened enough to do the research (like >> I did) on the background and core details of what is involved before >> you start a rant such as this. This has been brought to your >> attention before, only recently in fact. >> >> Start with an introduction to OS design textbook and you may just >> barely touch the tip of the iceberg... > There is all ready work being done by Ubuntu and apparently others on > creating a workable model for using existing drivers, originally > designed for the Windows architecture on non-windows system. There is > no reason to reinvent the wheel when it only needs a paint job. > >> And if you see us as people floating in the ocean after a ship sank, >> why are you still here then? > I don't know; maybe I just enjoy watching people drown. Wouldn't surprise me. > What you really should be asking yourself is why, if your business > model for FreePiss is so fundamentally sound then why is it always > trailing every other OS in desktop usability? Your own response to the > OP of this tread stated that a perfectly good driver fully available on > another OS, one not even associated with Microsoft, was unusable in the > FreePiss environment. Didn't it even remotely occur to you that a > uniformed API would alleviate that problem or are you so territorial > that, that concept is alien to you? And it appears to be so alien to you that M$ might possibly not allow a unified API between closed and open source in _your_ so called free society, or that what make other systems different _is_ the API, license, policies, etc. You cannot change a system so fundamentally without _breaking_ it- *any* system. Have you had any experience in any of the fields you even claim to be knowledgeable in? I know university lecturers who aren't so don't even try to hide behind letter suffixes. Do some research and learning, and grow some knowledge. Then we might be able to talk on the same level. If you want your proof you find it- its not up to anyone else. To the OP: we apologise for this interruption to the scheduled programming, and await ready to answer any questions you may have :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 16:10:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79A31065670 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B738FC0A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from age7.nber.org (age7.nber.org [66.251.72.84]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q03GASlj053847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:10:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (Unknown UID 1079@localhost) by age7.nber.org (8.13.8+Sun/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id q03GAd9D008797; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:10:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: age7.nber.org: Unknown UID 1079 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:10:39 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20120103 #6376679, check: 20120103 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:10:33 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: > On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >> Da Rock articulated: >> >>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > Jerry, there are so many things that are so wrong and so un-pc in this > statement that it is more than ridiculous. But we will ignore the > political/religious sentiments and try to stick to the technical. > > Winblows, Mac, Linux, BSD, others APIs are like cheese and chalk (although > Mac is a closer relative than any other). By your logic we should be getting > Winblows drivers to work on BSD. > Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html or the man page for ndiscvt: http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 17:44:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EDC106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67098FC13 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr16 with SMTP id r16so6842203ghr.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.40.17 with SMTP id s17mr20830519anj.54.1325612655013; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j16sm4246100anm.9.2012.01.03.09.44.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3THjM03QwVz2CG5x for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:44:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:44:12 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120103124412.71464a58@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4F031E91.1040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103100608.15f8d2d1@scorpio> <4F031E91.1040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:44:16 -0000 On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:28:17 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > And it appears to be so alien to you that M$ might possibly not allow > a unified API between closed and open source in _your_ so called free > society, or that what make other systems different _is_ the API, > license, policies, etc. You cannot change a system so fundamentally > without _breaking_ it- *any* system. Have you had any experience in > any of the fields you even claim to be knowledgeable in? I know > university lecturers who aren't so don't even try to hide behind > letter suffixes. Obviously you are having a very difficult time expression yourself in English. I understand that. I can't talk Spanish worth a crap. In any case, attempting to decipher your writings is more time consuming than I plan to allocate myself at this time. In any, Microsoft would have no say in what common API was agreed upon by a coalition of *nix/*BSD developers. I am totally and completely lost at how you even came to that conclusion. While Microsoft does undoubtedly write some drivers, all the the hardware drivers for devices that I have used for probably 10 years that I can document are written by and owned by entities other that Microsoft. If Microsoft actually had control over said drivers as you seem to believe, the EU aka "USSREU" would have attempted to have Microsoft release driver specific information to everyone with their hand out. Even Opera couldn't get the EU to bite on that one. There is no legal problem here. The problem is that it is easier to bitch about something and blame others than to form a consensus and correct the problem. There are all ready people working on it. Somehow though, I get the real impression that if a unified API were to be developed that FreeBSD would be the only one not on-board. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 17:48:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746E8106566B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:48:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E278FC18 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so16230902wib.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:48:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=sEpx4hQm2lT4cWLlBPIuvi8Li111swZ2RbEcAfHsAcI=; b=bx9Ps491p2TQUQbxEY+Sp9XKw78lPC94exbx/U8+hASZz/yWPEvglRMWRAVpSsmxuD mZGLUFWZOj/F/fWfPTr38VXrjjbi55hAJCLS9hHvdaX6OvbbGDkmrEdvqFqI8npMn4dD QgPGJFN0kfdqd/98UcJasR2X+EMwes+/d/4Ls= Received: by 10.180.19.74 with SMTP id c10mr115398309wie.8.1325611117408; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.palm.com ([82.132.248.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fq7sm55569919wbb.1.2012.01.03.09.18.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:18:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4f03386c.87cde30a.26cb.ffff8eda@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:18:34 +0000 From: "Peter Harrison" To: "FreeBSD" In-Reply-To: <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> X-Mailer: Palm webOS Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:48:27 -0000 Jerry, Sorry for top posting. Take offense if you like. The o= nly thing I have to say after experiencing the last few days on-list is to = (gently) point out that not everyone's goal in life is to run a system like= Windows. If that was what I wanted I'd be running Windows. I find F= reeBSD more intuitive and easier to use. And I'm prepared to accept that I = have to be a bit picky about the hardware I buy. I consider it a price wort= h paying. Would I like better hardware support? Of course! But if th= e price of that is a fundamental change to the OS interface, then I think t= he price is too high. It strikes me that Ubuntu are running very fas= t to turn Linux into Windows. They'll have good device support and a strong= GUI layer. I'm sure that will fit a lot of users needs, but /not mine/. People who wa= nt that should use Ubuntu. Or Windows. People who like the freedom and "con= figurability" offered by FreeBSD should use FreeBSD and accept the payoff. = And we should all just rub along, happy in the knowledge that we have chose= n the system we want. -- Pe= ter Harrison _________________________________________________________________ On 3 Jan 201= 2 12:11, Jerry wrote: On Tue, 03= Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000=0D Da Rock articulated:=0D =0D > On 01= /03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote:=0D > > I have a Toshiba Sate= llite U505-S2950 laptop with a Realtek=0D > > RTL8191SEvB wireless= card built in. FreeBSD doesn't recognize this=0D > > card and ca= n't use it, but Ubuntu does.=0D > >=0D > > Would it be po= ssible to go glom a Linux driver off the web=0D > > someplace and = install it in my FreeBSD and get the wireless to=0D > > work? I'm= using a USB Belkin in it now, but that's an unhandy=0D > > thing = sticking out like it does.=0D > >=0D > Unfortunately the API= 's are completely different. Adrian Chadd does a =0D > lot of work on= Wifi in FreeBSD, but I'm not sure if its on the todo=0D > list or no= t. Try a search on google...=0D =0D This is what drives me to pull my= hair out. I have stated several times=0D that all the *nix/*BSD consort= ium needs to do to become truly=0D competitive in the market is to devis= e a uniform API that works the same=0D on FreeBSD as on Ubuntu and every= other non-windows based system. The=0D concept is so simple that it ama= zes me that it was not implemented=0D eons ago.=0D =0D The problem= is that the non-windows operating system authors all behave=0D live lit= tle children. None of them can simply get along. The all have=0D to insi= st that "they" have the best and everyone else is wrong. They=0D swing b= etween Narcissism and Paranoia on any given day. You would have=0D an ea= sier time getting a Jew and a Muslim to sit down at a table and=0D enjoy= a ham dinner than you have of getting the powers that be in the=0D non-= windows community to agree to anything, other than their hatred of=0D Mi= crosoft of course.=0D =0D I have spoken with representatives of compa= nies, the last one being=0D Brother International, who plain out stated = that they only support=0D Microsoft (naturally - they offer the easiest = and best documented=0D system for driver installation) and a vanilla Lin= ux solution. They=0D openly stated that there is no way that they would = even attempt to=0D write software for a market as fractured as the *nix/= *BSD community and=0D then be straddled with the problem of supporting s= uch software. Hell,=0D every time someone in the BSD community dotted an= "i" in the kernel=0D source code the poor driver authors would have to = rewrite their device=0D code. Certainly a task I would not want to be as= signed.=0D =0D Ubuntu is years ahead of FreeBSD in creating a useful = and fully=0D functional desktop, I read where they were working on makin= g it=0D possible to use a driver disk intended for Microsoft's Windows O= S=0D usable in Ubuntu. They were working on a method of simply extractin= g=0D the code needed directly from a CD and using it directly on Ubuntu.= Now=0D that is what I call true "forward" thinking.=0D =0D The au= thors of FreeBSD, and to a lesser extend Linux remind me of group=0D of = of passengers left floating in the ocean after their ship sank. The=0D b= est case scenario at that point would be to be rescued by another=0D pas= sing ship. However, while waiting for that to occur it would seem=0D log= ical to grab onto any object that floated by and thereby allow the=0D st= randed individual a better chance at survival. If these were Ubuntu=0D s= urvivors there would be no question as to what they would choose to=0D d= o, as well as some of the more enlighten *nix" users. However, the=0D *B= SD users, especially the FreeBSD ones would rather drown than accept=0D = a solution that was not counter to what everyone else was trying to=0D a= ccomplish.=0D =0D I have, mistakenly I admit, stated that there are n= o drivers for lots=0D of devices currently available on the market, espe= cially the higher end=0D ones. That statement is essentially incorrect. = There are drivers for=0D these devices, and other OSs are taking advanta= ge of them. FreeBSD,=0D in its unending war against simplicity and conti= nued insistence=0D on reinventing the wheel, refuses to avail itself of = them.=0D =0D You can lead a horse to water; however, you cannot stop = it from running=0D head long into the desert and dying of thirst. Stupid= ity IS its own=0D punishment.=0D =0D It took the Catholic church u= ntil 1992 to admit that Galileo Galilei=0D was correct and the earth doe= s rotate around the sun. So there is hope.=0D Perhaps someday FreeBSD wi= ll become "enlightened" also.=0D =0D -- =0D Jerry =E2=99=94=0D = =0D Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored.= =0D Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.=0D ____________________= ______________________________________________=0D =0D _______________= ________________________________=0D freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailin= g list=0D http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0D= To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg"=0D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 17:51:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E22C1065673 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFB88FC1E for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl9 with SMTP id l9so10405770yen.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.153.226 with SMTP id f62mr68821831yhk.62.1325613058966; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:51:01 -0000 On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:10:39 -0500 (EST) Daniel Feenberg articulated: > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: > > > On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: > >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 > >> Da Rock articulated: > >> > >>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > > > Jerry, there are so many things that are so wrong and so un-pc in > > this statement that it is more than ridiculous. But we will ignore > > the political/religious sentiments and try to stick to the > > technical. > > > > Winblows, Mac, Linux, BSD, others APIs are like cheese and chalk > > (although Mac is a closer relative than any other). By your logic > > we should be getting Winblows drivers to work on BSD. > > > > Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the > OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html > > or the man page for ndiscvt: > > http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt > > > While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of > an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose > manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond > licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the > distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? This is a start in the right direction, but by no means an end to it. While it does work for some devices, I have tried using it on several wireless "N" devices for example with total failure. It also doesn't work at all for printer/scanner/fax/etcetera drivers. A unified API would eliminate all of this bullshit and make the setting up of and the maintenance of a system imminently easier. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 17:54:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537DB1065672 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43BA8FC08 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBCE42.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.206.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q03HssWq088744 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:54:55 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q03Hsgcd001711 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:54:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q03HsZKS046587 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:54:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201201031754.q03HsZKS046587@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:14:52 +0100." <20120103161452.3b10bb2f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:54:35 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:54:57 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > Maybe consider the chance that a FreeBSD OS can be > turned into closed source (which the license explicitely > allows) and put into some embedded device, a router, > a DSL modem, a managed switch... In parts like this, > you won't recognize FreeBSD anymore. If you consider > such devices "niche devices", think again: You'll > find them near any Internet-connected computer and > among the bowels of the whole Internet. :-) Yes, BSD gets embedded & not recognised. Some business notebook users years back who thought they were just running security enhanced MS_Win on their notebooks would have not understood their notebooks actually booted FreeBSD first, for `security stuff', then ran MS on top. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=utimaco+safeguard+freebsd&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1 Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 18:07:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73806106566C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 433998FC1C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26753 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2012 18:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 18:07:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=TwGub2Mn7mNslmet4RWq3SrrpOxgwmsWSLv1IBObmUU=; b=gqTR33xvwVWb+YYnVq7o5Z1L2m56CMeQ/zHn+LVeywcmlyqFW4122Va23JK0x/hWBoxhtPUfn2Iwq2w5YsqeCxjBhZN+gl0Rc+kTpdUcytaG1uR5OysISsalUJw4/bkk; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri8lh-00047m-V4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:07:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:07:25 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103180725.GA20156@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:07:48 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 03:06:11AM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 12:33:20PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > Ubuntu, actually, has thrown out the baby with the bathwater. In its > > zeal to make things "just work" in a particular manner, it seems > > hell-bent on ignoring all but one way to do things, even as it tries to > > dominate its entire market niche to the extent that it eclipses and > > marginalizes alternatives. > > > > My two cents with other point of view: > > OSs need popularity; it encourages hardware manufacturers to > write drivers and, even better, share the source. That makes > the existence of Ubuntu necessary for linux and indirectly to > freebsd. Popularity certainly provides resources, especially in a community driven development model. Abandoning good sense in pursuit of popularity is self-defeating, though; working to build popularity by drawing potential users away from other, more technically excellent alternatives, or working to spread the homogenous mediocrity of one approach to all the alternatives, in no way to provide benefits to those other alternatives like you describe. Apologies if that sounds overly harsh as a characterization of what the Ubuntu project is doing -- I just had trouble coming up with a friendlier way to explain the problem with blind pursuit of popularity in this context. If you can formulate a friendlier version of the same message, please pretend I said that instead. > > Negate or hide obvious FreeBSD (or Linux) limitations is the > same error than making look Ubuntu easier than it really is or > worse, make it look like something that it definitely is not. > New users feel fooled or betrayed, that's why some of them > reacts complaining. Anyway I don't feel confident enough to > assure if this is a good or bad marketing strategy. I remember, > in a very bad network curse I did some years ago, a young > classmate that after seeing for the first time the KDE desktop > disappointed exclaimed: But, It is like Windows! I seem to recall pointing out the very same fact -- that pretending flaws do not exist is not productive. Your tone here seems to be presented as though you dispute what I said, though, which seems odd. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 18:14:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6E5106566B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 647E28FC12 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8531 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2012 18:14:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 18:14:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=NjMwaW6+Bzz5Db+JpTUmfgF4oLFgmsSi6XF3IIXiAbo=; b=PMHk5xGjUF0dbEm1x5Qr+STGJ69iA7vdHJA+KnCM8/+2XQFVmQ8g0l4aGWrMEY7fXm1kVEnECBXZjODTDSk7gpX3y/tYEHe/ukTHsSQ70pHXY5jOtAkWjbP+f252oq7U; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ri8s5-0006GJ-Q1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:14:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 11:14:01 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:14:24 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:12:11PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of > > things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under > > the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start > > immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. > > > When people think in freedom, think in rights. And rights are > something that some "authority" give or steal. > > Multinationals think in what is good to sell. People like > "comfort" over all. The taste of people is fantastically > represented in the Wall-E movie; to "arise and walk" is not > considered a right. Futurist?, my father, thirty years ago, to > go to the corner to buy cigarettes, took the car; today he has > half body paralyzed by an hemiplegia, and perhaps one day to > arise and walk will not be a right for him. You're confusing "capability" with "right". These words are not the same because their meanings are not the same. I have a right to speak my mind, but if cancer requires the removal of my jaw so that I can no longer speak, I no longer have the capability of speaking at all. These are different things; a capability can be taken away, but a right cannot. This is what is meant by "rights" in the context of ethics. The law has its own jargon with its own definitions. The way you use "right" here is very much nonstandard for any context of which I'm aware, which means that before you can have a meaningful discussion with someone that involves such use of the term "right" you need to get them to buy into your definition of their own free will and agreement. Otherwise, the discussion will be nothing but disagreement and/or misunderstanding. So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 20:11:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62C8106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:11:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3228FC0A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D480F1E494 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:11:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q03KBolv002311 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:11:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:11:50 +0100 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20120103211150.41f1934d.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:11:52 -0000 For a sorting script, I'm currently searching for a method to get file creation date and time as exactly as possible. The best resolution I could get was seconds. In case more than one file is created within the same second, it doesn't work precisely enough. It should work from sh script. For the purpose of preparing the sort list (that will be sorted and then be used as a template for renaming the files with a prefix and a counter), I'm using the "stat" program which creates output like this: % stat -f "%N %B" -t "%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S" 1.txt 1.txt 2012-01-03_12:12:12 It's also possible to use the Epoch time format, but it doesn't provide a solution better than seconds: % stat -f "%N %B" -t "%s" 1.txt 1.txt 1325589132 I've read the manuals for stat as well as for strftime (which is the facility stat's -t parameter addresses), but found nothing that is more precise than seconds. Does anyone have a suggestion how to precisely determine the order files have been created? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 20:25:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E906C106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:25:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from samantha@onlineengineeringdegree.org) Received: from bestonlineschool.org (bestonlineschool.org [205.186.146.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8628B8FC15 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21724 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 11:59:05 -0800 Received: from c-76-30-217-41.hsd1.tx.comcast.net (HELO AmyEvans) (76.30.217.41) by bestonlineschool.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 11:59:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:59:05 -0600 (CST) From: Samantha Rhodes To: Webmaster Message-ID: <33375516.4679.1325620746068.JavaMail.Amy@AmyEvans> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_4515_27515933.1325620713545" Cc: Subject: Engineering Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:25:46 -0000 ------=_Part_4515_27515933.1325620713545 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Webmaster, I am proud to finally share my education site called http://www.onlineengineeringdegree.org with you! 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Regards, Samantha Rhodes ------=_Part_4515_27515933.1325620713545-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 20:49:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B1C106566C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30768FC15 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q03Kn3F9058891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q03Kn3Rv084060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q03Kn2Pq084059; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20120103204902.GG24192@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20120103211150.41f1934d.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103211150.41f1934d.freebsd@edvax.de> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:49:03 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:49:08 -0000 In the last episode (Jan 03), Polytropon said: > For a sorting script, I'm currently searching for a method to get file > creation date and time as exactly as possible. The best resolution I > could get was seconds. In case more than one file is created within the > same second, it doesn't work precisely enough. It should work from sh > script. > > For the purpose of preparing the sort list (that will be sorted and then > be used as a template for renaming the files with a prefix and a counter), > I'm using the "stat" program which creates output like this: > > % stat -f "%N %B" -t "%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S" 1.txt > 1.txt 2012-01-03_12:12:12 > > It's also possible to use the Epoch time format, but it doesn't provide a > solution better than seconds: > > % stat -f "%N %B" -t "%s" 1.txt > 1.txt 1325589132 If you ask for the date to be printed in "float" (F) format, it gives more precision. The default is unsigned int (U) format. % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT /COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049 > I've read the manuals for stat as well as for strftime (which is the > facility stat's -t parameter addresses), but found nothing that is more > precise than seconds. > > Does anyone have a suggestion how to precisely determine the order files > have been created? -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 20:52:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27043106566B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:52:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward6.mail.yandex.net (unknown [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:202:22cf:30ff:fe6b:6ebc]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DE78FC17 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp7.mail.yandex.net (smtp7.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.55]) by forward6.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id AD4EF112161E; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:52:44 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325623964; bh=l7FmYfSkkHs+DBGTkuxwyl5Q0gZN81/z+FDH0RpbpbA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vXss6BvyMZyO6EmAR4DgMORS3yWrDNma7DqSHcPDD07skf9CObK4yO84dz6vzgCay weK0uSJN7RmnD7VPz/VmKVhNNBAGq3ms9ZK6e0oieSUVfXjaNUFwlgRpK+CzH9bEUS abhu9sSoSMkaSh7W6KOGXDNEHMZvCtSzQGuD770w= Received: from smtp7.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp7.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 7150F15803CF; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:52:44 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325623964; bh=l7FmYfSkkHs+DBGTkuxwyl5Q0gZN81/z+FDH0RpbpbA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vXss6BvyMZyO6EmAR4DgMORS3yWrDNma7DqSHcPDD07skf9CObK4yO84dz6vzgCay weK0uSJN7RmnD7VPz/VmKVhNNBAGq3ms9ZK6e0oieSUVfXjaNUFwlgRpK+CzH9bEUS abhu9sSoSMkaSh7W6KOGXDNEHMZvCtSzQGuD770w= Received: from unknown (unknown [77.93.52.20]) by smtp7.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id qh3eu3V0-qi3edZ4e; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:52:44 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:52:40 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <896934352.20120103225240@yandex.ru> To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20111231171538.fd1156fb.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <211353632.20111231040344@yandex.ru> <20222.32401.326222.536203@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1112244537.20111231112327@yandex.ru> <20111231171538.fd1156fb.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Robert Huff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: reduce partition size. HELP X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:52:47 -0000 Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Polytropon. Âû ïèñàëè 31 äåêàáðÿ 2011 ã., 18:15:38: P> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:45:32 -0700 (MST), Warren Block wrote: >> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011, ??????? ??????? wrote: >> >> > ????????????, Robert. >> > >> > ?? ?????? 31 ??????? 2011 ?., 5:16:33: >> > >> > >> > RH> =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= writes: >> > >> >>> Is there any way to reduce partition size on live system? >> > >> > RH> No. >> > RH> Basic steps: >> > RH> 0) go to single-user; unmount partition >> > RH> 1) backup affected partition; test backup >> > RH> 2) delete old partition >> > RH> 3) create new/smaller partition >> > RH> 4) restore from backup >> > >> > is there a way to goto singe-user through ssh? >> >> Single-user and unmounted partitions are desirable but not required. >> See dump(8) about the -L option. P> Of course. And in addition, how about that? P> NOT TESTED! READ *FULLY* BEFORE DOING ANYTHING! P> For this example, /dev/ad0s1a is the / partition. P> There are other partitions (such as /var or /home) P> associated to other device files. Let's also P> assume /dev/ad0s1e is the /var partition. P> Onto the /var partition (or /home or any scratch P> oartition), copy the content from / (primarily P> because of /sbin, /bin and maybe /etc); maybe P> use this approach: P> # cd /var P> # dump -0 -L -a -u -f - /dev/ad0s1a | restore -r -f - P> Make sure /var does _not_ contain directory P> names identical to those found on the / partition! P> As I said, maybe use /scratch. :-) P> (Oh, and you can of course shorten the dump P> parameters to -0Lauf and restore's to -rf, P> but I chose this representation for making P> implicitely clear why to use _those_ options.) P> Then umount / and mount /var (I'll keep this P> for the example) as the new / (which now has P> all the things / should have): P> # umount /var P> # umount -f / ; mount -t ufs /dev/ad0s1e / I have not tryed, but man says that 'root can not be unmounted'... (( -f The file system is forcibly unmounted. Active special devices continue to work, but all other files return errors if further accesses are attempted. The root file system cannot be forcibly unmounted. P> Then the device associated to / should be free P> to be unmounted - a step desirable, but it should P> be no a "big" problem to operate on the device P> files associated with a _mounted_ partition. P> The more I think about it... /var is a really P> bad choice. Use /scratch, or at least /home. P> AGAIN: NOT TESTED! MAY BLOWENFUSEN & CORKENPOPPEN! :-) It will be very nice to have legacy installed mfsbsd in some reserved space in swap (like for kenel dumps) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/remote-install/preparation.html and having, except single user mode, another option in boot promt: mfsbsd mode. and 'nextboot --mfsbsd' to set remotely that boot option. also be very very nice to have behaviour which loads mfsbsd in case of unproper unmount. Now it is promt to enter #/bin/sh path. Having mfsbsd installed allow remotely complete/correct all failed operations that cause normal loading. also AUTO booting mfsbsd in all cases that crash current system: panic, deadlock os something else, will allow to analise many things remotely and save, in some cases, many many time =) -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 20:55:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F50A106566C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268508FC17 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa04 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa04.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q03KQ6WL021189; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:55:34 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa04.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 1248c3r686-9 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:55:34 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:55:08 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Dan Nelson'" , "'Polytropon'" References: <20120103211150.41f1934d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120103204902.GG24192@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20120103204902.GG24192@dan.emsphone.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:55:12 -0800 Message-ID: <050501ccca59$fdd50d00$f97f2700$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKF7wihvmtHUd7H07gv6E/uWvp6BQH62cXDlHj+WqA= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-03_03:2012-01-03, 2012-01-03, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: RE: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:55:48 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Dan Nelson > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:49 PM > To: Polytropon > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation > order > > In the last episode (Jan 03), Polytropon said: > > For a sorting script, I'm currently searching for a method to get file > > creation date and time as exactly as possible. The best resolution I > > could get was seconds. In case more than one file is created within > > the same second, it doesn't work precisely enough. It should work > > from sh script. > > > > For the purpose of preparing the sort list (that will be sorted and > > then be used as a template for renaming the files with a prefix and a > > counter), I'm using the "stat" program which creates output like this: > > > > % stat -f "%N %B" -t "%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M:%S" 1.txt > > 1.txt 2012-01-03_12:12:12 > > > > It's also possible to use the Epoch time format, but it doesn't > > provide a solution better than seconds: > > > > % stat -f "%N %B" -t "%s" 1.txt > > 1.txt 1325589132 > > If you ask for the date to be printed in "float" (F) format, it gives more precision. > The default is unsigned int (U) format. > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > /COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049 And you can specify "float precision" ... % stat -f "%N %.2FB" /COPYRIGHT Will return only 2 decimal places. -- Devin > > > I've read the manuals for stat as well as for strftime (which is the > > facility stat's -t parameter addresses), but found nothing that is > > more precise than seconds. > > > > Does anyone have a suggestion how to precisely determine the order > > files have been created? > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 20:59:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207E0106568F for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lmiller@aai.textron.com) Received: from mail143.messagelabs.com (mail143.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D933A8FC1A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:59:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Env-Sender: lmiller@aai.textron.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-143.messagelabs.com!1325622780!90755176!1 X-Originating-IP: [20.132.68.17] X-StarScan-Version: 6.4.3; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 10666 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2012 20:33:01 -0000 Received: from srv4.textron.com (HELO TXAINFNWH008.ent.textron.com) (20.132.68.17) by server-14.tower-143.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 20:33:01 -0000 Received: from (unknown [10.244.250.24]) by TXAINFNWH008.ent.textron.com with smtp id 6b54_f7ff_750b9026_3646_11e1_8af4_0019b9e588bc; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:06:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by txaappnwh055.ent.textron.com (postfix) with ESMTP id 141D61B907E8 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from TXAMASNWH022.ent.textron.com (txamasnwh022.ent.textron.com [10.244.221.22]) by txaappnwh055.ent.textron.com (postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com ([169.254.7.59]) by TXAMASNWH022.ent.textron.com ([169.254.1.94]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:33:02 -0500 From: "Miller, Leonard" To: "FreeBSD list (freebsd-questions@freebsd.org)" Thread-Topic: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun Thread-Index: AczKVuN2Ao/7PrzkTkefPSsT0f6w0A== Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:33:01 +0000 Message-ID: <06B408A5F5046342A06A8084367540550D4412@TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.244.221.230] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:59:46 -0000 Hi, I have tried installing 8.2 Sparc on a Sun system multiple times, using dif= ferent options, and each time I do, it takes me back to the initial options= screen, where I have to exit the install, forcing it to halt. I am never = prompted to install a boot manager or anything else. I always get through = the install process, installing packages, adding users, network settings, e= tc. When I power cycle the machine and change the boot settings back to default= s, it fails to boot. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Leonard From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 21:00:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9431065675 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BFF8FC15 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36242974E; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:00:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q03L0PYC002880; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:00:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:00:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Dan Nelson Message-Id: <20120103220025.823e078f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120103204902.GG24192@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20120103211150.41f1934d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120103204902.GG24192@dan.emsphone.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:00:27 -0000 On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > If you ask for the date to be printed in "float" (F) format, it gives more > precision. The default is unsigned int (U) format. > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > /COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049 Strangely, I only get a 000000000 "suffix" for any time stamp, no matter if I create the file or apply the command as shown above to an existing file: % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT /COPYRIGHT 1313951230.000000000 Am I missing some file system feature? Otherwise, this _exactly_ looks like what I'm searching for. It doesn't need to be a "human-readable" date representation. by the way, I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/x86 of late August 2011 here, file system used is UFS2. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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In FreeBSD 7,8 there was an option for mtp driver to enable write cache. Is there a new one for FreeBSD 9, hw.mpt.enable_sata_wc=1 is no longer there. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 21:09:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8B5106566B for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:09:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B858FC0A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa07 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q03KPiO7023923; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:09:09 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 1247t00ckc-2 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:09:09 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:09:08 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Polytropon'" , "'Dan Nelson'" References: <20120103211150.41f1934d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120103204902.GG24192@dan.emsphone.com> <20120103220025.823e078f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120103220025.823e078f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:09:13 -0800 Message-ID: <050701ccca5b$f2c34560$d849d020$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKF7wihvmtHUd7H07gv6E/uWvp6BQH62cXDAjcPxJiUZ0lAkA== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-03_03:2012-01-03, 2012-01-03, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: RE: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:09:22 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:00 PM > To: Dan Nelson > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation > order > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > > If you ask for the date to be printed in "float" (F) format, it gives > > more precision. The default is unsigned int (U) format. > > > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > > /COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049 > > Strangely, I only get a 000000000 "suffix" for any time stamp, no matter if I create > the file or apply the command as shown above to an existing file: > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > /COPYRIGHT 1313951230.000000000 > > Am I missing some file system feature? > > Otherwise, this _exactly_ looks like what I'm searching for. It doesn't need to be > a "human-readable" date representation. > > by the way, I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/x86 of late August 2011 here, file > system used is UFS2. On ZFS, all is well... % df -hT /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on raid1/jails/package8-1 zfs 835G 672M 835G 0% /raid1/jails/package8-1 % stat -f "%N %FB" /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT 1324356049.328275367 But alas, on UFS2: % df -hT /COPYRIGHT Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/mfid0s1a ufs 989M 64M 846M 7% / % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT /COPYRIGHT 1279505857.000000000 -- Devin > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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[88.9.115.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fi11sm56508250wbb.9.2012.01.03.13.30.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:30:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:30:28 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103213028.GA1939@chancha.local> References: <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:30:33 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 11:14:01AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:12:11PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of > > > things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "under > > > the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start > > > immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. > > > > > > When people think in freedom, think in rights. And rights are > > something that some "authority" give or steal. > > > > Multinationals think in what is good to sell. People like > > "comfort" over all. The taste of people is fantastically > > represented in the Wall-E movie; to "arise and walk" is not > > considered a right. Futurist?, my father, thirty years ago, to > > go to the corner to buy cigarettes, took the car; today he has > > half body paralyzed by an hemiplegia, and perhaps one day to > > arise and walk will not be a right for him. > > You're confusing "capability" with "right". These words are not the same > because their meanings are not the same. > > I have a right to speak my mind, but if cancer requires the removal of my > jaw so that I can no longer speak, I no longer have the capability of > speaking at all. These are different things; a capability can be taken > away, but a right cannot. > Dear Chad, You took "literally" what I wrote distorting all its meaning. I don't know if you did it in purpose because you though that I quoted you to debate with you. Sorry if I made think you that. Anyway I have the feeling that you will do it again if I try to explain you with other words what I really meant, falling in an infinite loop. Surely other people understood what I meant (at least Da Rock did); with one person I consider myself lucky. Besides, you know, my Tarzan's english is not worthy of the occasion :-). My fault, from now I will restrict my posts here to technical issues. Thanks for your patience and sorry for the misunderstanding. Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 21:45:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033D51065670 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:45:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBD08FC08 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiCAE-0006eu-GD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:44:35 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:44:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:44:58 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120103214458.GB53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103100608.15f8d2d1@scorpio> <4F031E91.1040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103124412.71464a58@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103124412.71464a58@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:45:04 -0000 --kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Jerry on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: >=20 > Obviously you are having a very difficult time expression yourself in > English.=20 Sorry, this one made me spew my coffee. The rest of the post I didn't find nearly as entertaining. --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPA3baAAoJEIpckszW26+Ry5QIAIINTs2JLQGZWfNrT81AmOAu 0tm346l7GwOmrQMQNXNTUY6v7KhluA4nbXmsyPeiK9z3Roiso6QPe4tyDntSyI7A Z3HYVqO+WuuSy+eltyPku306upO7wh7qvyA4k3wRHgcEgpCThPFVDF9O1Aow+6TY WgKaKnyn+XmsWNum+q8KWNtUrp7Sj989L3p5xaalHl7dD2d89PN+B2A2dqnDUc4U 5fJdGQxP8WZYcYD6lBdPGmeLJdySq+ndolCsraPtcU3jmgpDLtKXn2Z+Qcys6ljk yMImv3L5EEx4P7IVaERhUWFimoFvR3cKsa4MENzPGmKU8SFCxWKV3RbqPWhgECY= =2Dr8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kORqDWCi7qDJ0mEj-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 22:07:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559B6106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sterling@camdensoftware.com) Received: from wh1.interactivevillages.com (ca.2e.7bae.static.theplanet.com [174.123.46.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186758FC25 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 184-78-197-203.war.clearwire-wmx.net ([184.78.197.203] helo=_HOSTNAME_) by wh1.interactivevillages.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiCW7-0001k7-P5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:07:12 -0800 Received: by _HOSTNAME_ (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:07:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:07:36 -0800 From: Chip Camden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120103220736.GF53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uTRFFR9qmiCqR05s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Company: Camden Software Consulting URL: http://camdensoftware.com X-PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD6DBAF91 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wh1.interactivevillages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - camdensoftware.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:07:41 -0000 --uTRFFR9qmiCqR05s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:12:11PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 04:41:10PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > > New users are nearly always dismayed at the apparent difficulty of=20 > > > things, and should be warned that they will need to do some work "und= er=20 > > > the hood" in order to get what they want. The honesty can start=20 > > > immediately, it doesn't necessarily have to be a goal. > >=20 > >=20 > > When people think in freedom, think in rights. And rights are > > something that some "authority" give or steal. > >=20 > > Multinationals think in what is good to sell. People like > > "comfort" over all. The taste of people is fantastically > > represented in the Wall-E movie; to "arise and walk" is not > > considered a right. Futurist?, my father, thirty years ago, to > > go to the corner to buy cigarettes, took the car; today he has > > half body paralyzed by an hemiplegia, and perhaps one day to > > arise and walk will not be a right for him. >=20 > You're confusing "capability" with "right". These words are not the same > because their meanings are not the same. >=20 > I have a right to speak my mind, but if cancer requires the removal of my > jaw so that I can no longer speak, I no longer have the capability of > speaking at all. These are different things; a capability can be taken > away, but a right cannot. >=20 > This is what is meant by "rights" in the context of ethics. The law has > its own jargon with its own definitions. The way you use "right" here is > very much nonstandard for any context of which I'm aware, which means > that before you can have a meaningful discussion with someone that > involves such use of the term "right" you need to get them to buy into > your definition of their own free will and agreement. Otherwise, the > discussion will be nothing but disagreement and/or misunderstanding. >=20 > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider > your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term > differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up > front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to > use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. >=20 If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on t= he Internet would evaporate. --=20 =2EO. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com =2E.O | sterling@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com OOO | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com --uTRFFR9qmiCqR05s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPA3woAAoJEIpckszW26+RboUIAI//x7oQlS9NrVm7/l1fSyHP ZCNP2okH3AdXT75JGVW2Axf4wTcSfoO9+/IiE1K/OM/PxkSLuLWYx8npa08RWRtd Og4R4WsxqcQgO6NJ4yxH5MGYKLe+1v7J1pV0B4WYBw7iZ8bqmbp4HvxAiEyjjam1 LCEvtQDgKUh/IAKUd3V1UXI2HYyFU0yjVVlA2sRsKE5LyS11Gjkajirzfj7t6q7N dwklzEUeLVPuBgVZyzATsYnyOCh7gHwQ1KQfooVfmmZUoczZuF9CIN8hPYRkn0P9 4FE4CZYJCZcV+A8aFTiSfCrh/9OEvLPvV67TlHsNgYTIG/5b/wvVwSWOX+9/0fw= =nKnr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uTRFFR9qmiCqR05s-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 22:19:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4799C1065672 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F058FC08 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q03MJK1s067684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:19:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q03MJK1B034734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:19:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q03MJJ1O034733; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:19:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:19:19 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20120103221919.GH24192@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20120103211150.41f1934d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120103204902.GG24192@dan.emsphone.com> <20120103220025.823e078f.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103220025.823e078f.freebsd@edvax.de> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [199.67.51.78]); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:19:20 -0600 (CST) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 199.67.51.78 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:19:25 -0000 In the last episode (Jan 03), Polytropon said: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > > If you ask for the date to be printed in "float" (F) format, it gives > > more precision. The default is unsigned int (U) format. > > > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > > /COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049 > > Strangely, I only get a 000000000 "suffix" for any > time stamp, no matter if I create the file or apply > the command as shown above to an existing file: > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > /COPYRIGHT 1313951230.000000000 > > Am I missing some file system feature? > > Otherwise, this _exactly_ looks like what I'm searching for. It doesn't > need to be a "human-readable" date representation. > > by the way, I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/x86 of late August 2011 here, > file system used is UFS2. Try raising the vfs.timestamp_precision sysctl above zero. That gives me useful fractional values on ufs. % sysctl -d vfs.timestamp_precision vfs.timestamp_precision: File timestamp precision ( 0: seconds, 1: sec + ns accurate to 1/HZ, 2: sec + ns truncated to ms, 3+: sec + ns (max. precision)) -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 22:39:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8725F106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AD18FC0A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so13779928ggn.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.244.14 with SMTP id r14mr21239583anh.51.1325630386572; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o9sm76715312yhk.20.2012.01.03.14.39.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3THqvz5yD0z2CG5x for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:39:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:39:43 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:39:47 -0000 On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:20 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a > > Windows based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" > > etcetera are freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms > > like: "Winblows", "Microsucks", etcetera are freely used. Would you > > please be so kind as to explain to me why it is morally correct to > > use one set of terms but not the other? It is either right or it is > > wrong. You cannot be slightly pregnant. I personally find such > > terms morally repugnant; however, since they are commonly used on > > this forum it appears that they are socially acceptable. Would you > > not concur or are you going to try and bullshit your way out of > > this one? > > 1. I didn't say it was "morally correct" to use one set of derogatory > forms and "morally incorrect" to use the other. You are attributing > arguments to me I never made. I just spent a half hour rereading every post on this thread to see if I had inadvertently stated that you had stated in any way that it was "morally correct". Guess what, there aren't any such statements. Neither did I make a claim that you supported such actions. I never attributed any such remarks to you. I simple asked for you to explain why it would be morally correct to do so. Your reading comprehensive skills are seriously lacking. The fact that you would spend time to defend yourself against a non-existent claim totally amazes me. Seriously, have you ever been diagnosed with paranoia? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 23:33:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D911065672 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:33:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EF78FC13 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBCF25C24 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:46:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:30:23 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:33:48 -0000 On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: > >> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>> Da Rock articulated: >>> >>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > >> Jerry, there are so many things that are so wrong and so un-pc in >> this statement that it is more than ridiculous. But we will ignore >> the political/religious sentiments and try to stick to the technical. >> >> Winblows, Mac, Linux, BSD, others APIs are like cheese and chalk >> (although Mac is a closer relative than any other). By your logic we >> should be getting Winblows drivers to work on BSD. >> > > Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the > OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html > > or the man page for ndiscvt: > > http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt > > > While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of > an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose > manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond > licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the > distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) I had considered that as an answer, but the device is wifi and the firmware makes it damn near impossible to use in this way. NDIS setup is less than user friendly at the best of times without the additional hoops for the firmware loading. I've tried it myself before. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 23:59:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B06C1065677 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4877A8FC0C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so15575971dak.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:59:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=N/WlkCn3YUtay3xKRKU3io8gmhyfRv1r8uKLVNL9Dcw=; b=XWjXPhGbdgjl2YT8aR1KXS5r81DKgOQtqGrtS9Yn9T+6p5Zy71jtAsOP1A29Ls1YYG 26sJLG3uf5P8/45YrQSd9lbB87/j1XGQUz4REQeo8Rvzq3sp0CGgSzkPeSWRpwsgxDNN 5hDU1W0DoqLGFrQuSG1Bw8hCKHgL42Mi5akGE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.197.8 with SMTP id iq8mr88046679pbc.9.1325635194741; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:59:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> References: <4EFF19A7.2060800@ose.nl> <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:59:54 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:59:55 -0000 ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:20 -0700 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > Now you have really peaked Piqued. Although it is misused here. Google it. my interest. On any given day, on a > > > Windows based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" > > > etcetera are freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms > > > like: "Winblows", "Microsucks", etcetera are freely used. Would you > > > please be so kind as to explain to me why it is morally correct to > > > use one set of terms but not the other? It is either right or it is > > > wrong. You cannot be slightly pregnant. I personally find such > > > terms morally repugnant; however, since they are commonly used on > > > this forum it appears that they are socially acceptable. Would you > > > not concur or are you going to try and bullshit your way out of > > > this one? > > > > 1. I didn't say it was "morally correct" to use one set of derogatory > > forms and "morally incorrect" to use the other. You are attributing > > arguments to me I never made. > > I just spent a half hour rereading every post on this thread to see if > I had inadvertently stated that you had stated in any way that it was > "morally correct". Guess what, there aren't any such statements. > Neither did I make a claim that you supported such actions. I never > attributed any such remarks to you. I simple asked for you to explain > why it would be morally correct to do so. Your reading comprehensive > skills are seriously lacking. The fact that you would spend time to > defend yourself against a non-existent claim totally amazes me. > Seriously, have you ever been diagnosed with paranoia? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 00:13:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA563106566C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893A28FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q040GUA6013103 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:13:32 -0000 Jerry wrote: > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a > > > Windows based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" > > > etcetera are freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms > > > like: "Winblows", "Microsucks", etcetera are freely used. Would you > > > please be so kind as to explain to me why it is morally correct to > > > use one set of terms but not the other? It is either right or it is > > > wrong. You cannot be slightly pregnant. I personally find such > > > terms morally repugnant; however, since they are commonly used on > > > this forum it appears that they are socially acceptable. Would you > > > not concur or are you going to try and bullshit your way out of > > > this one? > > > > 1. I didn't say it was "morally correct" to use one set of derogatory > > forms and "morally incorrect" to use the other. You are attributing > > arguments to me I never made. > > I just spent a half hour rereading every post on this thread to see if > I had inadvertently stated that you had stated in any way that it was > "morally correct". Guess what, there aren't any such statements. Jerry demonstrates, yet again, his intellectual dishonesty, and blindness. Anyone who reads what Jerry actually wrote, _as_quoted_verbaitm_above_, an -- unlike former President Clinton, understands what "is' means -- will have no trouble verifying that Jerry *did8, in fact, impute that viewpoint to Chad. > Neither did I make a claim that you supported such actions. I never > attributed any such remarks to you. I simple asked for you to explain > why it would be morally correct to do so. Jerry lies. nothing unusual about that, though. Jerry's reading comprehension skills -- of his *own* writing _ ar seriously lacking. He can't even _honestly_, or _accurately_ report what he previously wrote. Even when he quotes it. He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain "why it _would_be_ morally correct..." HE demanded that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..." Implicit in that choice of verb ("is") is a presumption that the other person accepts/believes the 'truth' of the claim for which the explananation is demanded. Given his constant criticizm of other's writing and/or reading skills, Jerry cannot -- "believably", that is -- claim that this was an inavertent/unintentional error in usage on his part. > Your reading comprehensive > skills are seriously lacking. The fact that you would spend time to > defend yourself against a non-existent claim totally amazes me. The extent -- both in breadth, and depth -- of Jerry's delusions is not merely 'impressive; it is *truely* amazing. As is his constant projection of _his_ deficiencies on others. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 00:38:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC83106566C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D9D8FC0C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber4.nber.org (nber4.nber.org [66.251.72.74]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q040cegc098245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:38:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber4.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id q040ceVB029675; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:38:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: nber4.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Da Rock In-Reply-To: <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20120104 #6382867, check: 20120104 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:38:45 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: > On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >> >>> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>>> Da Rock articulated: >>>> >>>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >> >> >> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP is >> requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html >> >> or the man page for ndiscvt: >> >> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt >> >> >> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an >> end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose >> manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing >> issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or >> made downloadable in FreeBSD form? > Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) At http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. Daniel Feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 00:48:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320BA106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027868FC13 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so15600370dak.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:48:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TSWzQrvQGIt9P4898+xcZMM+hWuyX5U53v852Zi2GrU=; b=rvvbPQdck4t6cpjjyTEQBzp+6IHqlTx8AtMNeWMBKY9fMAJTttpysDvD+ACgAfU/zO ZUTEL7/6tSqefPDORqnwgPKo3968jkHqkH6ZxNk6MUDV8g0TlnKL22G7aVUHNDHQRmVe misJCTaiSh5MUxsLWKfK/m3/U7wNzLNm6NsDs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.72.8 with SMTP id z8mr135406466pbu.111.1325638124007; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:48:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:48:43 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: Da Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:48:46 -0000 ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Da Rock < freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > >> >> >>> >> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP >> is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** >> config-network-setup.html >> >> or the man page for ndiscvt: >> >> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8&topic=**ndiscvt >> >> >> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an >> end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose >> manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing >> issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or >> made downloadable in FreeBSD form? >> > Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) > > I had considered that aan answer, but the device is wifi and the firmware Excuse my ignorance (again) but what does this mean? "...the Firmware..." For now I have reverted this machine to Ubuntu; it's just a machine I set up for my wife to browse the net so she can keep her 30,000 pictures on a Windows box virus-free and it's too much hassle to have the belkin thingy sticking out the side trying to get knocked off. (Just as an aside I don't know why there seems to be so much resentment for Ubuntu here, it looks free and open to me, but what do I know?) Anyway, back to the point, I mostly started using PC-BSD because it's more secure than Windows, and because even at my age (retired) I can continue to learn something just for the fun of it, and because... well, it's difficult to express. I've messed with Linux on and off since Debian 1.2, then had to focus hard on Windows so I could get good enough at it to make a living as a Windows desktop tech in a nationwide health care company... now I find myself attracted to PC-BSD, which has the same stated intent, btw, as Ubuntu, to make a desktop that "ordinary users" (which just about defines me) can use. Excuse the blather. The point: Does anyone think it might be worth the effort to try to run ndisgen on the Windows drivers? makes it damn near impossible to use in this way. NDIS setup is less than > user friendly at the best of times without the additional hoops for the > firmware loading. I've tried it myself before. > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 00:57:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D659E106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:57:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C988FC1F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcc3 with SMTP id c3so14499465pbc.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:57:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NC6p8qdqprODBSnq8Ib8uvlS5vM5bjnsfaUIwiHQa0w=; b=qv3tKd3qRc3zfhImCEEQSmWqb2aeRNnioXxDLF4KsFRQno6KYVa7TWKkRxawX5Ws26 xtsd/sfio10C+GH4Yd7BY85hzxSuZo/ssUv/SzK8GpDmKUkr8L06XzSoR8eRrVtgWC54 IrpgZzkpVJ7xzzUa6u4fPJ5JZrnHfNIkJQm24= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.199.38 with SMTP id jh6mr135595531pbc.77.1325638634996; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 16:57:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:57:14 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: Daniel Feenberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Da Rock Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:57:15 -0000 On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: > > On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>> >>> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>>>> Da Rock articulated: >>>>> >>>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP >>> is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** >>> config-network-setup.html >>> >>> or the man page for ndiscvt: >>> >>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8&topic=**ndiscvt >>> >>> >>> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an >>> end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose >>> manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing >>> issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or >>> made downloadable in FreeBSD form? >>> >> > Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) >> > > At > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/**mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.** > php?title=Category:USB > > almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found > that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps > immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to > find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. > um, well, yeah, but it's a laptop. :/ And I bought it before FreeBSD ever crossed my mind. > > I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as > users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs > from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to > assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for > it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice > that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean > that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and > therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders > and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their > power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another > user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) > contribute to reforming the vendor. > > Daniel Feenberg > > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 01:11:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99B1106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 01:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3130C8FC13 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 01:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49DF25C21 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:24:01 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:08:08 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:11:34 -0000 On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: > >> On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>> >>>> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>>>> Da Rock articulated: >>>>> >>>>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>> >>> >>> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what >>> the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >>> >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html >>> >>> or the man page for ndiscvt: >>> >>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt >>> >>> >>> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect >>> of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware >>> whose manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything >>> beyond licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included >>> in the distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? > >> Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) > > At > > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB > > almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have > found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card > helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is > easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. Indeed :) I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at the time :) > I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether > as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with > different needs from the device. This is a great impediment to > progress. It is a mistake to assume that because you don't need > something, another person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this > case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that hardware vendors do > not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that users > requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore > to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and > users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their > power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows > another user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of > time) contribute to reforming the vendor. No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or financial reasons more than logical. Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had to do with my comments or not, I don't know). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 01:38:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3945D106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 01:38:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7F08FC13 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 01:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0DEF5C21 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:51:16 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F03ACDC.5060001@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:35:24 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:38:50 -0000 On 01/04/12 10:48, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >> <> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< > > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Da Rock< > freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > >> On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >> >>> >>> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP >>> is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** >>> config-network-setup.html >>> >>> or the man page for ndiscvt: >>> >>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8&topic=**ndiscvt >>> >>> >>> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an >>> end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose >>> manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing >>> issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or >>> made downloadable in FreeBSD form? >>> >> Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) >> >> I had considered that aan answer, but the device is wifi and the firmware > > Excuse my ignorance (again) but what does this mean? "...the Firmware..." > For now I have reverted this machine to Ubuntu; it's just a machine I set > up for my wife to browse the net so she can keep her 30,000 pictures on a > Windows box virus-free and it's too much hassle to have the belkin thingy > sticking out the side trying to get knocked off. (Just as an aside I don't > know why there seems to be so much resentment for Ubuntu here, it looks > free and open to me, but what do I know?) A lot of hardware runs its own software (called firmware) on it which these days is uploaded when the OS loads the driver. This way updates to the firmware are made easily because its on the disk and not embedded in the hardware (think BIOS updates). Ubuntus fine. Its a stepping stone to understand how *nix runs. The current change in policy direction can raise a few eyebrows here though, but no one holds a grudge against it here. You'll have to ignore Jerry's rants though and the ensuing dialogue- its just the fly in the ointment here. > Anyway, back to the point, I mostly started using PC-BSD because it's more > secure than Windows, and because even at my age (retired) I can continue to > learn something just for the fun of it, and because... well, it's difficult > to express. I've messed with Linux on and off since Debian 1.2, then had > to focus hard on Windows so I could get good enough at it to make a living > as a Windows desktop tech in a nationwide health care company... now I find > myself attracted to PC-BSD, which has the same stated intent, btw, as > Ubuntu, to make a desktop that "ordinary users" (which just about defines > me) can use. Admirable, and you'll get a lot of support here- a lot have had the same experience and may be in the same boat. If you have the time and want to give back you'll learn a lot more as well. > Excuse the blather. The point: Does anyone think it might be worth the > effort to try to run ndisgen on the Windows drivers? By all means. Follow the instructions in the handbook and have a go, your experience may differ than my own. There are a factors against you, such as its not on that less than exhaustive list supplied (although mine was, and yet...), and the firmware loading. If you get stuck with it, then please ask for help and someone may have an answer. If nothing else you'll gain experience :) Laptops are almost never completely supported so don't stress, I've had my own issues over the years - they always seem to be one step behind. But that distance is shrinking rapidly: thanks guys! :) Part of the fun is trying to get it to work on yet a different model of laptop... But if it fails and you have to fall back to Ubuntu thats ok, you won't be ostracised; you may even be able to get some answers for your Ubuntu problems here (it can happen...). Just keep watching the list and you'll gain some more knowledge and experience, throw in a few well placed questions here and there helps too. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 02:06:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE631065670 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 02:06:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevinz5000@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562468FC12 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 02:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr16 with SMTP id r16so7044506ghr.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:05:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bgt/loRRUFs4g7EbYVUwT/7dlb1Si1PlKTQYPi3caO0=; b=cfpMvkuZpCCbh5kXNjzHOAmKjJNnBiLPaGdewT8dp2toqaX6iNVAGN6Uai51nfSyRC 3UZXRlesjlh44yWpRM5v2N/83MnVYwlMyXD08yI0DLeCcbaEZ7EDmWIY1guP8WZaoSrL hyDysmHrz7u9APeCHuy4Wf3mpZN+Fh9od3ZyE= Received: by 10.236.189.104 with SMTP id b68mr70689166yhn.21.1325642759865; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.4] ([99.189.76.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d8sm98170785ang.2.2012.01.03.18.05.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:05:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F03B40B.4020700@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:06:03 -0600 From: Kevin Zheng User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 OpenPGP: id=5EBE6447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:06:00 -0000 Jerry, FreeBSD Questions isn't the place to argue about how all OSes should use a universal API, and how Ubuntu is doing such a good job. In an ideal world, everyone would speak the same language, use the same currency, and have identical power outlets. Unfortunately, the last time I checked, we don't live in this world. Some people are trying to make that world possible, but until then, you'll have to face the fact that a universal API doesn't exist. APIs for a scripting or programming are nothing compared to what operating systems deal with. POSIX already does a good job of making sure that these systems (BSD, Solaris, Unix, Linux, etc) have a relatively similar API. The fact is that the kernel lives at such a low level that any change will have drastic consequences. Perhaps some people don't WANT a universal API to exist. If every driver on Windows worked equally well on FreeBSD, Microsoft may find itself out of profit. Equally, if FreeBSD ran the same applications on Microsoft, somebody would be slightly upset that they can't make a profit. On a more positive note, a universal API would help everyone. Since everyone here (including me) like it as it is, why don't you take initiative and put together something? Perhaps you should start out by creating another system specification that all of the existing operating systems could adapt. Write a kernel for it. Create your own operating system that can run everything. I'd use that system. Wireless cards work perfectly on my Toshiba laptop. In fact, the current one I use is a USB wireless adapter. The GENERIC kernel finds my cards perfectly. In addition, I like it when I get to control every single piece of software I put on my system. I switched FROM Linux because of this. If you don't like FreeBSD, you don't have to. If you want to improve it, please go ahead! Sincerely, Kevin Zheng From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 02:12:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B251065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 02:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5BA8FC16 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 02:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q042FnSX013823 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:15:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:15:49 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201201040215.q042FnSX013823@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:12:50 -0000 Daniel Feenberg wrote: > > Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP > is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html > > or the man page for ndiscvt: > > http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt > > > While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an > end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose > manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing > issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or > made downloadable in FreeBSD form? Yeah, there _is_, unfortunately. There is this 'insignficant' matter known as "copyright law". Vendor-created device-drivers for Windows _are_ copyrighted works. the terms of the license give permission for redisribution of those works, in *UNMODIFIED* form. Unfortunately, when you have something that digs into that work, extracts the logic, and wraps it in an interface for a different system, that is what is called "creating a derivative work". If you have been granted the right to redistribute the 'original', that right does -not- extend to a 'derivative work'. You have to have *separate* permission from the copyright owner for a derivative work. Distributing a 'tool' that takes the 'original' and automatically creates the 'derivative work' for someone is *also* proscribed, because the primary use of that tool is to create infringing works. A 'manual' tool is a subtly, but importantly, different thing. It requires the operator to initiat the overt acts. thus, as as long as there are reasonable legitimate uses, the sfoftware itself is safe. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 04:08:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389BC106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:08:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jedwards@bsdftw.org) Received: from mail.bsdftw.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:c630:3000::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120EF8FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.bsdftw.org (websrv [IPv6:2001:470:c630:1000::]) by mail.bsdftw.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD17B5E8A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 2001:470:8:1030:90bc:6dcc:e0ae:5e6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jedwards) by webmail.bsdftw.org with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:08:40 -0500 Message-ID: <267e5d8678b3f0bbf68cb516bcb63882.squirrel@webmail.bsdftw.org> In-Reply-To: <06B408A5F5046342A06A8084367540550D4412@TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com> References: <06B408A5F5046342A06A8084367540550D4412@TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:08:40 -0500 From: "James Edwards" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:08:41 -0000 On Tue, January 3, 2012 15:33, Miller, Leonard wrote: > Hi, > I have tried installing 8.2 Sparc on a Sun system multiple times, using > different options, and each time I do, it takes me back to the initial > options screen, where I have to exit the install, forcing it to halt. I > am never prompted to install a boot manager or anything else. I always > get through the install process, installing packages, adding users, > network settings, etc. > Your install experience sounds normal and successful. When you are finished and exit the installer, it should take you to the openboot prompt. All you *should* need to do is type in 'boot', the system will reboot and boot to disk. You don't need to worry about a boot manager as multibooting isn't supported on this platform. > When I power cycle the machine and change the boot settings back to > defaults, it fails to boot. > If it fails to boot, I'm assuming it is stopping at the OpenBoot prompt? Can you elaborate further? What happens when you type 'boot disk' at the openboot prompt? If it boots, auto-boot may not be set correctly, which can be rectified by 'setenv auto-boot? true' at the openboot prompt. If that does not work, what is the output of 'printenv' - specifically what is 'boot-device' set to? Also, some further reading on installing FreeBSD on sparc64: http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Sparc_-_Installing_FreeBSD -and for more detail- http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Installation_on_Ultra_5 Hope this helps, James From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 04:31:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CA3106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from azanar@carrel.org) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A728FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so40138351iad.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.222.233 with SMTP id qp9mr65885060igc.1.1325651517204; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from rowlf.sea.carrel.org (dsl231-050-036.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net. [216.231.50.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id py9sm93209599igc.2.2012.01.03.20.31.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:31:55 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Edward Carrel In-Reply-To: <20492D60-81BE-43A1-BCE1-594F5715ABF6@my.gd> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:30:21 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7999DEBF-0F29-4F94-8A69-942176004C4E@carrel.org> References: <4F02AC09.6080005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20492D60-81BE-43A1-BCE1-594F5715ABF6@my.gd> To: Damien Fleuriot X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Da Rock Subject: Re: pf not seeing inbound packets on netgraph interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:31:58 -0000 On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:12 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Thinking -pf@ or -net@ would be a better place to discuss this, more = chances of getting an answer. I was wondering about that. I'll send my question to -net@ to start. = Thanks. > Out of curiosity why not use a gif interface ? > I had that working just fine with racoon and was able to actually = firewall traffic on it with PF, iirc. =46rom what I understand of gif interfaces, they are useful when IPSec = is handling the tunnel pretty much end-to-end, and just needs a = passthrough interface to direct traffic to and from. If I am wrong about = this, please let me know. The reason why I'm using netgraph instead is because the LNS is not run = by me, and there is no other way of connecting to the other end but via = L2TP/IPSec.=20 If there is a way to use L2TP, and leverage a gif interface to complete = the loop on my end, I'd be interested to hear about it. Thanks, Ed Carrel= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 04:55:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DE61065672 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE99C8FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12529 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 04:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 04:55:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=LDJaS9NkHUSa8/84RwL6CwikXoXKvmtsWFiE0YJg+PE=; b=UOYA0438e8gBT4KQFyIe5yndhmjv0H7/LjhXA+1Ffspyyl26IVVvXtvdCxOR+OGammrviM+7gT3DADovKI+1gYusEomLQKwRHVQDfNdVN+3l6lRTPWXB9Qc1/muSLvU3; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiIsS-0002RC-Oo for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:55:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:55:04 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104045504.GB28963@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> <20120103220736.GF53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120103220736.GF53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:55:27 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > > > > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider > > your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term > > differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up > > front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to > > use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. > > > > If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on the > Internet would evaporate. Thanks for noticing! -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 05:05:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE32106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 05:05:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BADFC8FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 05:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27866 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 05:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 05:04:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=WUXAmFE7X4Tvnp0jCVbZ88zBo9SGzsv5MInq9eUHx0M=; b=deFqQM7X2XCyNXf1ix7nG1HFK0KIfO31HU6pg5j6z8r+Sg0XQb01xsRjv0NIm7SREt8uccGnp4g+QDzRW7nh0gY+Fu9+WAgqmAgGO1Onz5kp8j/FrWoj/21KpuWGgUmN; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiJ1x-0004Az-Pv for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:04:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:04:53 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104050453.GC28963@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4EFF94CA.3050304@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101064247.3e8b0b56@scorpio> <4F00580D.1060208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 05:05:16 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:59:54PM -0600, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > > > On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:33:20 -0700 > > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > > > Now you have really peaked > > Piqued. Although it is misused here. Google it. Why does it looke like you are attributing "peaked" to me, here? I did not say that. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 06:29:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3E3106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 06:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kickbsd@yandex.ru) Received: from forward18.mail.yandex.net (forward18.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1402::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAB08FC17 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 06:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web20.yandex.ru (web20.yandex.ru [95.108.253.229]) by forward18.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 03A6717810DB for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:29:20 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325658561; bh=XywrWT73OLPyOs5DMQfKgyMse8YKKpwnI+aHotQUe2g=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-Id: Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=raMfrFpLNAsvU0+AQwVrNMsHFdJcdsQj1FHejhMo1H3c4kzVPFU/Xp9/HyL2y6zJl UnpXNuC5mfFv19zc5bmcrpSG7kMSOqS9wedw5WIVEdUK8UGlgD76Ys9v38NL3bga14 R+iaUqNS1l66B++e4500XZajvu93LV+Q8Mf0Kr+s= Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web20.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id DC0B36A28017 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:29:20 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325658560; bh=XywrWT73OLPyOs5DMQfKgyMse8YKKpwnI+aHotQUe2g=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-Id: Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=f/0iDxu9yt0ifMqJzRDhsVl4B6zxNfCy0VdwqJv6B5Q7tp7x2HshoFfp9bql2bkb3 HrYCI/qYPd1h/TujHEo/rEqx2ZWYGreGiOvkZWd/HSKO5U630TznxkIlwVLCOscNv6 /X29tCgmHO9vD1zJqNAY4R4Z7h4cftCPlAHOs/xY= X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Received: from modemcable064.151-203-24.mc.videotron.ca (modemcable064.151-203-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.203.151.64]) by web20.yandex.ru with HTTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:29:20 +0400 From: Darren Baginski Envelope-From: kickbsd@yandex.ru To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <422521325624838@web13.yandex.ru> References: <422521325624838@web13.yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <980531325658560@web20.yandex.ru> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:29:20 +0400 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Write caching FreeBSD 9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 06:29:23 -0000 Looks like /usr/sbin/mptutil volume cache enable is a way to go now. 04.01.2012, 01:07, "Darren Baginski" : > Hi! > > In FreeBSD 7,8 there was an option for mtp driver to enable write cache. > Is there a new one for FreeBSD 9, hw.mpt.enable_sata_wc=1 is no longer there. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 07:31:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3AD106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:31:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308C38FC13 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadb17 with SMTP id b17so11917673qad.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:31:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xde9X4Yc6t/ihnA5A9W73juQ2rX++aniF8Mp2XTPvZc=; b=kukaLjfBsm0fSararmTN/nERrevZ9O5Gi0GfF0PkpsitAoG++HrtCh5R2S4uUqXauN FwvPyGkd6ubU7oMjXtETI7Wufrn2Jpyg2nRPTWr55cfrriORa9BuKFzYZFgCFLe+8539 KauWFoQUZBey7mugwKFDSmwtH8351n9FURM08= Received: by 10.224.18.83 with SMTP id v19mr10842979qaa.60.1325662272473; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (ool-18ba4338.dyn.optonline.net. [24.186.67.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dx7sm85856548qab.3.2012.01.03.23.31.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:31:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F040043.6000902@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:31:15 -0500 From: Jonathan Vomacka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ASP running on FreeBSD via Apache/NGINX/Lighttpd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 07:31:13 -0000 Good morning all, I currently have a website that was written in ASP back in 1999. The system is currently running Windows 2003 Server with MsSQL. Before everyone flames me for being in the wrong place, I was wondering if there is a way to allow freebsd to run old ASP code? I know years ago this wasn't possible without a program like ChiliASP, but now I heard rumor that apache might have a plugin to allow it to read ASP. I am unsure if there is an apache solution, or other solution like nginx/lighttpd that runs ASP. Any information you guys could provide would be great. I do appreciate your help in advance PS. I will need to convert the mssql data to mysql, is there any good program that will convert this? I understand that this question is probably inappropriate for this e-mail thread but maybe someone could shoot me a quick suggestion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 09:32:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F62C106566C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1A38FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (pool-96-236-174-150.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [96.236.174.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E66886A81 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fracasso.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C893A5C2A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:32:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:31:58 -0500 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20120104043158.1982a008.web@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Cannot create 2nd gmirror X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:32:39 -0000 Hello Everyone, I have system with gmirror gm0: # gmirror list Geom name: gm0 State: COMPLETE Components: 2 Balance: round-robin Slice: 4096 Flags: NONE GenID: 0 SyncID: 1 ID: 3516398316 Providers: 1. Name: mirror/gm0 Mediasize: 320072932864 (298G) Sectorsize: 512 Mode: r5w5e14 Consumers: 1. Name: ad8 Mediasize: 320072933376 (298G) Sectorsize: 512 Mode: r1w1e1 State: ACTIVE Priority: 0 Flags: NONE GenID: 0 SyncID: 1 ID: 95660722 2. Name: ad10 Mediasize: 320072933376 (298G) Sectorsize: 512 Mode: r1w1e1 State: ACTIVE Priority: 0 Flags: NONE GenID: 0 SyncID: 1 ID: 632264112 I am trying to add a second gmirror, gm1: # sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16 kern.geom.debugflags: 16 -> 16 # gmirror label -v -b round-robin gm1 /dev/ad4 Metadata value stored on /dev/ad4. Done. # gmirror insert gm1 /dev/ad6 gmirror: No such device: gm1. Why does gm1 fail to be created? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 09:32:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F721065688 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:32:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEA58FC19 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q049WlVQ073319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:32:47 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q049WlVQ073319 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1325669567; bh=29JJVlMM0LrBpZp4HnUgp67eiDITITcIpwM7NvAv/EM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=YMIcRSkDpPGsLKZhiIYoFC/lxxhDuIAf6GJ7W+ifTt6OH7g/3ZoJDFe+YCc8a0caN ZFFO5CNBUHJHUShrrLOsyQgy7Jdpn2bgqvvvFNoWk25Bug8fFpZddfDmg+SXeuR7D8 kSmOw2tdQDhW8SitfzuUYjrCHLkmfD9/uOAJQ5UA= Message-ID: <4F041CB9.7080704@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:32:41 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F040043.6000902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F040043.6000902@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig849384D1166B0B5C8D65B212" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: ASP running on FreeBSD via Apache/NGINX/Lighttpd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:32:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig849384D1166B0B5C8D65B212 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/01/2012 07:31, Jonathan Vomacka wrote: > PS. I will need to convert the mssql data to mysql, is there any good > program that will convert this? I understand that this question is > probably inappropriate for this e-mail thread but maybe someone could > shoot me a quick suggestion. This is probably the easiest part of your porting project. What you need to do is: * Examine the table definitions in mssql and write equivalents for MySQL. Ditto for other DB objects like enum types. * Dump out table contents in CSV format -- where 'C' doesn't have to be 'comma' necessarily: it depends on the nature of your data. * Read the CSV files into MySQL. * Examine all the SQL queries made by your application and translate them into SQL that MySQL can understand. SQL is unfortunately a horribly non-standard language. All of the different RDBMS variants have their own dialect of it, with many non-standard extensions. Unfortunately, while there is a SQL standard, generally you will need to use non-standard bits either for performance or simply because there is no way to do what you want otherwise. Also, SQL syntax is just intrinsically horrible. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig849384D1166B0B5C8D65B212 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8EHL8ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIx5wwCffneR6vH/EewbxbdrvbRHc+C6 v/8An3q0CuKFGuvV/R30EVOl1iN/FxkZ =6Tsd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig849384D1166B0B5C8D65B212-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 10:22:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6D41065675 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dino_vliet@yahoo.com) Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.77]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21B4A8FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2012 10:10:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.42] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2012 10:10:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1042.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2012 10:10:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 538415.55886.bm@omp1042.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 8129 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2012 10:10:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1325671801; bh=iTDRz+QkN7Tx9KYxy/NuwUMqaqePTdULMZYToxOalps=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X2Oa533Jx/MB20mT9xOwIrinnODAkgyZavRgXOvdufitcqNghrwS32741BJEhnj7nGBA+YgTfieCulxv3iIPeCxLiL6gzMl3aW+D+FncBgbwwFvC6yVQ1BiiOF4xn+A0Lh85E3xesXqeXqKrqH8YnWR7U3kVJCeoL5COB0Wd/6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4AmVPHfYndmgAZyQ2ouQ3MtML8rzRS/5yO3lCCRQ6VhA1GQQXYjpoW69FxpLNPdaZ+Ix4zpOo4WsvlE5drFISyAQALSf2PsIP8gpfCfM8RwTjJn5xIOrokavn/j+jaTQ7Er1W6VdMYoFigcEUwsF4FHaO8EY8/fznCZSPX3B8x4=; X-YMail-OSG: 4br1oEgVM1mAO3qeSMqmBpQZjLpzYcEDM4tP3RWTa9pUw2r FlyoKY1oyvc2fLJtIzWdP1J1ksxXv_tV8tp9_Bcd66LLvQJ_xN5zkVBMd9AN M0eEUnoQJIa6kgzF7z00R0H0rAo7XfZ4mhS8HAMgqjOY74qH1cFIw3d8QRAm yNcbW.REgSBIViAxhVQIXDiAgUpI94FgFc9kgvnSy63zwBbqLkDrlKRcuQAE ZYEUf0u2Vg5ijPWoCtyNQHaO60w_uRUB4kpvtLasqzcNvGBhSrbxJQGUhfmf AhgIW_acSEtc03JQVoKz8Y9GP0lCK0QnizFZJhiC58QOgHQQlurh5ZOU0LqO OAdU_OoMHVp1oocHslHW.9cjWN3Dnl2OEdLJM4Z1Lvq_8RvVoffhf7Hs34do Qcpsfrakbk0ctzFhPk49_7SgDa4M6mm9ohxTN3ETvTPdvVQQXdJ70lL2o1XD 3njMSVQ-- Received: from [164.140.155.143] by web113620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:10:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1325671801.19145.YahooMailNeo@web113620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 02:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dino Vliet To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "ports@FreeBSD.org" Subject: best way to bind webserver to port 80 without running as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dino Vliet List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:22:30 -0000 Hi all,=0A=A0=0Asuddenly I'm facing this quest on freebsd 8. I need to bind= my little webserver running aolserver to port 80. In the past I was always= using port 8080 and had my router configured to forward requests on port 8= 0 to the server on port 8080. However, I am planning to host my little site= on a virtual server with a hosting company and figuredI can't use the work= around I always used. So my question is, how to bind aolserver to port 80 w= ithout running=A0as root as I understood ports below 1024 can only be used = by root.=0AI found a sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh which enable= s me to set it to 0. However, I don't know what the security ramifications = are of using that. Are there any other options I could consider?=0A=A0=0ATh= anks=0ADino From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 10:45:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A685106566C; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:45:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from magik@roorback.net) Received: from roorback.net (ec2-50-17-44-204.compute-1.amazonaws.com [50.17.44.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C588FC0A; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Received-SPF: neutral (roorback.net: 157.25.200.146 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of roorback.net) client-ip=157.25.200.146; envelope-from=magik@roorback.net; helo=[10.1.1.66]; Received: from [10.1.1.66] (unknown [157.25.200.146]) by roorback.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F266228FA; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:29:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F042A1D.4000403@roorback.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:29:49 +0100 From: Grzegorz Blach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111107 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dino Vliet References: <1325671801.19145.YahooMailNeo@web113620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1325671801.19145.YahooMailNeo@web113620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "ports@FreeBSD.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: best way to bind webserver to port 80 without running as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:45:50 -0000 On 01/04/2012 11:10 AM, Dino Vliet wrote: > Hi all, > > suddenly I'm facing this quest on freebsd 8. I need to bind my little webserver running aolserver to port 80. In the past I was always using port 8080 and had my router configured to forward requests on port 80 to the server on port 8080. However, I am planning to host my little site on a virtual server with a hosting company and figuredI can't use the workaround I always used. So my question is, how to bind aolserver to port 80 without running as root as I understood ports below 1024 can only be used by root. > I found a sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh which enables me to set it to 0. However, I don't know what the security ramifications are of using that. Are there any other options I could consider? > > Thanks > Dino > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mac-portacl.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 11:17:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B03106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2CA8FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfq46 with SMTP id q46so11404373yhf.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 03:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.195.37 with SMTP id o25mr15893326yhn.46.1325675878412; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 03:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 40sm87210521ano.19.2012.01.04.03.17.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 03:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TJ8kq4Trhz2CG5x for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 06:17:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 06:17:55 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120104061755.4659cdf8@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:17:59 -0000 On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > Jerry wrote: > > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > > > Now you have really peaked my interest. On any given day, on a > > > > Windows based forum, the terms: "FreePiss", open-sore", "Lsuck" > > > > etcetera are freely thrown around. On Linux based forums, terms > > > > like: "Winblows", "Microsucks", etcetera are freely used. Would > > > > you please be so kind as to explain to me why it is morally > > > > correct to use one set of terms but not the other? It is either > > > > right or it is wrong. You cannot be slightly pregnant. I > > > > personally find such terms morally repugnant; however, since > > > > they are commonly used on this forum it appears that they are > > > > socially acceptable. Would you not concur or are you going to > > > > try and bullshit your way out of this one? > > > > > > 1. I didn't say it was "morally correct" to use one set of > > > derogatory forms and "morally incorrect" to use the other. You > > > are attributing arguments to me I never made. > > > > I just spent a half hour rereading every post on this thread to see > > if I had inadvertently stated that you had stated in any way that > > it was "morally correct". Guess what, there aren't any such > > statements. snip] > He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain "why it _would_be_ > morally correct..." HE demanded that they explain "why it *IS* > morally correct..." Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why ..." You consider that a demand? That is the most incredible statement I read in this entire thread. If I had demanded an answer, I would have clearly indicated it. I am not bashful, as you may have noticed. I simple asked him to explain why such behavior would be morally acceptable. At that point he made the accusation that I had attributed such statements, directly or indirectly to him. I neither did, nor is there any evidence to support the claim that I had. Both of you choose to conveniently sidestep that simple fact. Although to his credit, he did explain his feelings on the matter. Now, if I asked you to explain the moral justification for the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, would I be accusing you of actually having written it? You don't think things through do you? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 11:33:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B86C106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B6F8FC14 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcse13 with SMTP id e13so14924461qcs.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 03:33:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=cLoFcAIIMsS5L9VL/MXLRnnSrdgY8usPHRhRBLzPzCI=; b=c2kNZVMd/c3I2IDooKE/ahnMaXk7B7IU3ReYLKKjJ5UY/LtzUTk+SJhb4dH0dqTW/p 12K9uYWboY9HJyuTtcGnNeasy4wlDAUIa40j8Ll8l2zcAtc97p7wI2eZGp6ni5FB+eAR eia/SNqmfAlDbMJiw7creuz5CWKU2Ri2BTuls= Received: by 10.224.168.84 with SMTP id t20mr35006072qay.2.1325676813201; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 03:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (78.Red-80-39-127.staticIP.rima-tde.net. [80.39.127.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hv20sm106204184qab.22.2012.01.04.03.33.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 03:33:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:33:28 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104113328.GA1320@chancha.local> References: <20120101091420.117aa8f3@scorpio> <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> <20120103220736.GF53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20120104045504.GB28963@hemlock.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120104045504.GB28963@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:33:34 -0000 On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > > > > > > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider > > > your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term > > > differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up > > > front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to > > > use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. > > > > > > > If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on the > > Internet would evaporate. > > Thanks for noticing! > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Well Chad, you crossed the line. I don't need any "clarification" to understand this last statement like a poor insult. Let's do an exercise; you need it: 1) "popularity" "demagogy" "rights" 2) "lawyer" "demand" "rights" By analogy: 1) "bicycle" "road" "wheel" 2) "Unix" "groups" "wheel" See? In that first paragraph where I mention "rights" in a "popular" context, I am exactly denoting the bad use people do of the word "rights". You killed the messenger. Talking about an "audience" is beyond my goal. I expect just a human being on the other side; not necessary too much cleaver or cultivated just not having a MS Word Spelling Checker by brain is enough. So, I will not waste my time in quoting, sub quoting and meta quoting myself with "this is a metaphor; this is a sarcasm; this is a hyperbole; this is a joke" to the infinite; I made this in the past with people like you and I know that it is a waste of time. Anyway, thanks for your teachings. Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 11:42:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BAF1065670 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:42:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EFC8FC15 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q04BgcUn075205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:42:39 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q04BgcUn075205 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1325677359; bh=/ucuVf69VvP1NiEWukL7QobMReZh2W63v8rqe/u+T5Q=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=xSCex/Eac+ynfw3/mI+WI8eTQDqnVnSzsicMfPJ7Z4W3h6KOJqqaiEzkA31sG5i1z WU64MnEYxvHR2pvuIlEi/1PLIA1UArpsHQcy+CCcQSiVmA8LONJzGcDwl5pmEAmdhQ me2NaKD4RgPLl++jp/yOX2NNBlB2gLydGR2o08Xw= Message-ID: <4F043B25.3010206@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:42:29 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1325671801.19145.YahooMailNeo@web113620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1325671801.19145.YahooMailNeo@web113620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB8B45E2470C82AF34202F694" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: best way to bind webserver to port 80 without running as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:42:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB8B45E2470C82AF34202F694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/01/2012 10:10, Dino Vliet wrote: > suddenly I'm facing this quest on freebsd 8. I need to bind my little > webserver running aolserver to port 80. In the past I was always > using port 8080 and had my router configured to forward requests on > port 80 to the server on port 8080. However, I am planning to host my > little site on a virtual server with a hosting company and figuredI > can't use the workaround I always used. So my question is, how to > bind aolserver to port 80 without running as root as I understood > ports below 1024 can only be used by root. I found a sysctl > net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh which enables me to set it to 0. > However, I don't know what the security ramifications are of using > that. Are there any other options I could consider? There are lots of ways to do this. The hard part is deciding which one is most appropriate. Lets see... * Allow non-root to bind to port 80 Yes, this does have security implications, but they may not be relevant in your situation. If you can guarantee that any non-root process on your system is as trustworthy as a root owned process then it should be OK. Meaning you don't have any other users and the system is secured against code injection attacks, etc. Probably the hardest to get right, and not really anything I'd recommend. * Use one of the built-in firewalls to do port redirection. Similarly to the way you were using your router previously. So, for example in pf(4) you could do something like this: rdr pass inet proto tcp from any to $ext_if port 80 -> 127.0.0.1 port 8080 Arrange for your aolserver instance to bind to the loopback interface port 8080 and you're all set. You can use ipfw(8) to the same effect if preferred. Note: this probably won't work if your virtual server is a jail, as in that case (a) you won't have a loopback interface you can use like that and (b) firewall rules would have to be setup in the host environment, not the jail. * Use a proxy server bound to port 80, that internally redirects queries to your aolserver on port 8080. You can just do a direct proxy using eg. pound or apache or nginx or lighttpd so that every request is simply forwarded to the aolserver on port 80. Or you can get clever and -- serve static content (eg images, CSS etc.) by type directly from the proxy webserver. This relieves your heavyweight app-server from dealing with all the trivial stuff and is much more efficient. -- Use the reverse proxy for SSL offload, if you're using HTTPS. This can both simplify the configuration of your app server and provide a performance boost for some sites. -- Implement a reverse proxy /cache/. Instead of going back to the origin server and regenerating each page every time anyone asks for it, cache a copy of the response the last time that page was requested and reply with that. apache has a reasonably good proxy module, but consider also such packages as squid or varnish which are specifically written to do this. Done right, this can make a huge difference to webserver performance. Note: if you implement a reverse proxy cache, generally you don't need to also implement the dispatching requests by type thing as well. Static content should have a long TTL and be preferentially served out of the cache thus achieving the same effect automatically. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigB8B45E2470C82AF34202F694 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8EOy4ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwiigCfULx+Gwgv7/gMfYHD/cuSwb8U dLgAn2esrqH7Drp67YGAGvvlySp3bhgt =nfhN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB8B45E2470C82AF34202F694-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 11:52:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3242B1065676; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordcow@lordcow.org) Received: from lordcow.org (lordcow.org [41.203.5.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550368FC08; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lordcow.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lordcow.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q04Aqnjs006716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:52:49 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from lordcow@lordcow.org) Received: (from lordcow@localhost) by lordcow.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q04AqiXl006715; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:52:44 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from lordcow) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:52:44 +0200 From: Gareth de Vaux To: Dino Vliet Message-ID: <20120104105244.GA6157@lordcow.org> References: <1325671801.19145.YahooMailNeo@web113620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1325671801.19145.YahooMailNeo@web113620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: "ports@FreeBSD.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: best way to bind webserver to port 80 without running as root X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:52:43 -0000 On Wed 2012-01-04 (02:10), Dino Vliet wrote: > suddenly I'm facing this quest on freebsd 8. I need to bind my little webserver running aolserver to port 80. In the past I was always using port 8080 and had my router configured to forward requests on port 80 to the server on port 8080. However, I am planning to host my little site on a virtual server with a hosting company and figuredI can't use the workaround I always used. So my question is, how to bind aolserver to port 80 without running?as root as I understood ports below 1024 can only be used by root. > I found a sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange.reservedhigh which enables me to set it to 0. However, I don't know what the security ramifications are of using that. Are there any other options I could consider? Hi, if your server isn't able to bind as root and then drop its ownership then you can just run the process on a higher port number and use something like pf or portfwd to forward requests to port 80 to that higher port. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 12:47:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A261065676 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from innervisionnetwork@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AF78FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so20246179obb.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:47:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SevUzel8j9ufcee+8K06LlQwNzc6Xc4NI3pfeQ7q9Wk=; b=Jlf9T2ceAjoJKzw0sDqeVPfVopvZbblNqavQs4izA702/XWjce1grXioO8OU6zyNQQ 13dGuyynUBnapdeerEixoy0JkAEte583fqZ7WWpD9UuyGjjxgV6r6q7tgtR5M6farFzY 2sGmT7U7sPFe0vtxQ3VbRxIUJSG8opfu0mjrM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.51.37 with SMTP id h5mr47725240obo.51.1325679467555; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.30.202 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 04:17:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Daniel Lewis To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:47:41 -0000 Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for version 8.2? Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) Thanks, Daniel Lewis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 12:59:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2C5106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7D88FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBEC8B.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.236.139]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q04Cxq7V003523; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:59:53 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q04CxbiR006630; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:59:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q04CxBDW054176; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:59:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201201041259.q04CxBDW054176@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Daniel Lewis From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 04 Jan 2012 07:17:47 EST." Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:59:11 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:59:55 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: Daniel Lewis > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500 > Message-id: Daniel Lewis wrote: > Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for > version 8.2? > Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) su cd /usr/ports/www/firefox ; make install This fetches then builds from source code Or to install binaries man pkg_add Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 13:01:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6201106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:01:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529FE8FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:01:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:01:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4F044DA9.80202@ose.nl> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:01:29 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111220 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:01:32 -0000 On 01/04/2012 01:17 PM, Daniel Lewis wrote: > Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for > version 8.2? > Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) > > > Thanks, > Daniel Lewis Hi Daniel, It depends on your preferences. You can read up on: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html I like Midori a lot and the default Gnome browser Epiphany. If you have the flash plugin installed like explained in de document link, both will also play video's. Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 13:02:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0F41065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2D68FC1A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849201D991; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:02:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q04D24IO003305; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:02:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:02:04 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Daniel Lewis Message-Id: <20120104140204.96ad5aa5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:02:06 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: > Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for > version 8.2? > Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) You will get many different answers for this question. :-) What are your primary requirements for a web browser? Do you have experiences with browsers so you can say which "kind" you want to use? Personally, I'm a long-time user of Opera. I've installed it from ports, but it should be no big deal to use the precompiled package version. Intermission: Read the handbook section about how to install software on FreeBSD. I'd also recommend the chapter about web browsers. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/desktop-browsers.html You'll find that it is very easy to follow the advice given in the Handbook and have your web browser running very quickly. Back on topic: I've also installed the Linux plugins so I can "enjoy" (bah!) "Flash" stuff if required. Note that those are already a bit out of date: opera-11.50 opera-linuxplugins-11.50 linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.5 swfdec-0.8.4_3 swfdec-plugin-0.8.2_3 You can get a similar functionality with Firefox, which is my secondary browser. I'm still using version 6.0.1, but newer ones are already in the ports collection. However, there's a real fleet of web browsers waiting for you around the corner. If you're already using a desktop environment, try their built-in browsers, like for example Konqueror or Galeon or Epiphany. For some minimalism, there's lynx or dillo. And there are many more. See what /usr/ports/www has to offer. After trying many, I've always come back to Opera, as its mouse and keyboard support (!) is very well designed, the browser is fast, the UI can be turned into something usable, and it supports all the stuff I need. I don't say that Firefox is not good, but for _my_ individual needs and habits, Opera is just a little bit better suited, that's all. If you have concerns regarding web browsers spying at your browsing habits and reporting them to the authorities, maybe you re-consider using Opera. Keep in mind that even if it's free, it's not really open, if I remember correctly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 13:05:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6777106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:05:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9518FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:05:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:05:22 +0100 Message-ID: <4F044E92.5040802@ose.nl> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:05:22 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111220 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201201041259.q04CxBDW054176@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201201041259.q04CxBDW054176@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:05:24 -0000 On 01/04/2012 01:59 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, > Reference: >> From: Daniel Lewis >> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500 >> Message-id: > Daniel Lewis wrote: >> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for >> version 8.2? >> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) > su > cd /usr/ports/www/firefox ; make install > > This fetches then builds from source code > > Or to install binaries > man pkg_add > > Cheers, > Julian To follow up. Midori and Epiphany are not explained in http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browsers.html as root: cd /usr/ports/www/midori && make install clean Epiphany comes with the gnome desktop environment, which is mentioned in the Handbook also. I don't use/install the Java plugin, only flash Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 13:29:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE50106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:29:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from woodbine.london.02.net (woodbine.london.02.net [87.194.255.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E268FC12 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (87.194.237.233) by woodbine.london.02.net (8.5.140) id 4EEB6474004EB698 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:29:41 +0000 Message-ID: <4F045445.3020101@onetel.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:29:41 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:29:43 -0000 On 04/01/2012 00:57, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > > um, well, yeah, but it's a laptop. :/ And I bought it before FreeBSD ever > crossed my mind. Replacing the Realtek with a supported wireless card may be as easy as undoing a plate on the bottom of the machine, unclipping the old one and clipping in the new one. They are pretty cheap to buy on ebay. Your wireless card is probably mini pci-e: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=mini+pci-e+wireless+card&_sacat=See-All-Categories An older style is mini pci. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MiniPCI_and_MiniPCI_Express_cards.jpg It may require removing the keyboard which is a bit harder but quite doable. Generally you get into a laptop by carefully levering off the cover at the back of the keyboard. A service manual is a big help and can often be found with some googling. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 14:02:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E06106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A94C8FC1C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF3E0.dip.t-dialin.net [87.188.243.224]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q04E2Ls7004007; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:02:22 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q04E2ABg007040; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:02:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q04E1WQL057342; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:01:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201201041401.q04E1WQL057342@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Devin Teske From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:09:13 PST." <050701ccca5b$f2c34560$d849d020$@fisglobal.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:01:32 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: 'Dan Nelson' , 'Polytropon' , 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:02:41 -0000 Hi, Devin Teske wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:00 PM > > To: Dan Nelson > > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > > Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to > creation > > order > > > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > > > If you ask for the date to be printed in "float" (F) format, it gives > > > more precision. The default is unsigned int (U) format. > > > > > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > > > /COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049 > > > > Strangely, I only get a 000000000 "suffix" for any time stamp, no matter if I > create > > the file or apply the command as shown above to an existing file: > > > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > > /COPYRIGHT 1313951230.000000000 > > > > Am I missing some file system feature? > > > > Otherwise, this _exactly_ looks like what I'm searching for. It doesn't need > to be > > a "human-readable" date representation. > > > > by the way, I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/x86 of late August 2011 here, file > > system used is UFS2. > > On ZFS, all is well... > > % df -hT /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > raid1/jails/package8-1 zfs 835G 672M 835G 0% > /raid1/jails/package8-1 > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT > /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT 1324356049.328275367 > > But alas, on UFS2: > > % df -hT /COPYRIGHT > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/mfid0s1a ufs 989M 64M 846M 7% / > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > /COPYRIGHT 1279505857.000000000 > > -- > Devin I was wondering how df (& stat) could show more than seconds (Remembering back to 1990 & my http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/statv/ when Unix used unsigned long seconds since 1 jan 1970 ( & MSDOS was seconds divided by 2 since 1 jan 1980 ) ) FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE /usr/src/usr.bin/stat/stat.c line 320 etc still uses the normal fstat stat lstat. But man 2 stat has extended : #ifndef _POSIX_SOURCE #define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec #define st_mtime st_mtimespec.tv_sec #define st_ctime st_ctimespec.tv_sec #endif cd /usr/include/sys ; vi -c/tv_sec /types.h stat.h #if __BSD_VISIBLE #define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec struct timespec #include time.h: #include timespec.h: struct timespec {time_t tv_sec;/* seconds */ long tv_nsec;/* nanoseconds */}; I guess extended timespec may get compiled in to VFS but not UFS, but no time to look further, Good luck Polytropn. PS Here with UFS (per Dan's tip, thanks) I see: sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision=2 ; stat -f "%N %FB" /etc/motd /etc/motd 1306839862.000000000 Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 14:29:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A160106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:29:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285D48FC1A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6CA2C2; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:29:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q04ETmGU003653; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:29:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:29:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Julian H. Stacey" Message-Id: <20120104152948.49796215.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201201041401.q04E1WQL057342@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <050701ccca5b$f2c34560$d849d020$@fisglobal.com> <201201041401.q04E1WQL057342@fire.js.berklix.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'Dan Nelson' , Devin Teske , 'FreeBSD Questions' Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to creation order X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:29:52 -0000 On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:01:32 +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, > Devin Teske wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > > > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 1:00 PM > > > To: Dan Nelson > > > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > > > Subject: Re: Exact timestamp for sorting and renaming files according to > > creation > > > order > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:49:02 -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: > > > > If you ask for the date to be printed in "float" (F) format, it gives > > > > more precision. The default is unsigned int (U) format. > > > > > > > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > > > > /COPYRIGHT 1306190895.046721049 > > > > > > Strangely, I only get a 000000000 "suffix" for any time stamp, no matter if I > > create > > > the file or apply the command as shown above to an existing file: > > > > > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > > > /COPYRIGHT 1313951230.000000000 > > > > > > Am I missing some file system feature? > > > > > > Otherwise, this _exactly_ looks like what I'm searching for. It doesn't need > > to be > > > a "human-readable" date representation. > > > > > > by the way, I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE/x86 of late August 2011 here, file > > > system used is UFS2. > > > > On ZFS, all is well... > > > > % df -hT /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT > > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > raid1/jails/package8-1 zfs 835G 672M 835G 0% > > /raid1/jails/package8-1 > > > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT > > /raid1/jails/package8-1/COPYRIGHT 1324356049.328275367 > > > > But alas, on UFS2: > > > > % df -hT /COPYRIGHT > > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > /dev/mfid0s1a ufs 989M 64M 846M 7% / > > > > % stat -f "%N %FB" /COPYRIGHT > > /COPYRIGHT 1279505857.000000000 The idea of changing the sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision to the value 3 worked on UFS for me. But it doesn't seem to be the default. Another problem might be when dealing with files that are stored on a filesystem type different from UFS... > I was wondering how df (& stat) could show more than seconds > (Remembering back to 1990 & my > http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/statv/ > when Unix used unsigned long seconds since 1 jan 1970 > ( & MSDOS was seconds divided by 2 since 1 jan 1980 ) > ) > FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE /usr/src/usr.bin/stat/stat.c > line 320 etc still uses the normal fstat stat lstat. > But man 2 stat has extended : > #ifndef _POSIX_SOURCE > #define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec > #define st_mtime st_mtimespec.tv_sec > #define st_ctime st_ctimespec.tv_sec > #endif The st_birthtime field would be the required one for sorting here (and defaults, per definition, to seconds). The "man 1 stat" mentions that stat uses the stat and lstat system system calls, so this would be the value that will be retrieved of no "finer time" can be accessed (which would mean zeros here). > cd /usr/include/sys ; vi -c/tv_sec /types.h stat.h > #if __BSD_VISIBLE > #define st_atime st_atimespec.tv_sec > struct timespec > #include > time.h: #include > timespec.h: > struct timespec {time_t tv_sec;/* seconds */ long tv_nsec;/* nanoseconds */}; > > I guess extended timespec may get compiled in to VFS but not UFS, > but no time to look further, Good luck Polytropn. At least that's a starting point. I see that changing the sysctl mentioned above seems to be sufficient for the current purpose. However, I'd like to see the system defaulting (!) to a resolution better than seconds, as this is definitely possible. > PS Here with UFS (per Dan's tip, thanks) I see: > sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision=2 ; stat -f "%N %FB" /etc/motd > /etc/motd 1306839862.000000000 That's understandable, as the "finer time" will be generated only upon file _creation_; for files that are already present, 000000000 is the typical result. # sysctl vfs.timestamp_precision=3 vfs.timestamp_precision: 0 -> 3 And then: % touch hickup.txt % stat -f "%N %FB" hickup.txt hickup.txt 1325686735.035925369 In comparison: % stat -f "%N %FB" /etc/motd /etc/motd 1309547364.000000000 which has been created prior to changing the vfs.timestamp_precision sysctl. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 14:40:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69791065670 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lmiller@aai.textron.com) Received: from mail203.messagelabs.com (mail203.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CB848FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:40:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Env-Sender: lmiller@aai.textron.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-203.messagelabs.com!1325687977!89001674!1 X-Originating-IP: [20.132.68.17] X-StarScan-Version: 6.4.3; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 26827 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2012 14:39:38 -0000 Received: from srv4.textron.com (HELO TXAINFNWH007.ENT.Textron.com) (20.132.68.17) by server-10.tower-203.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 14:39:38 -0000 Received: from (unknown [10.244.250.24]) by TXAINFNWH007.ENT.Textron.com with smtp id 37db_870b_8518c612_36de_11e1_a621_0019b9f33116; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:15:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by txaappnwh055.ent.textron.com (postfix) with ESMTP id 587D71B90760; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from TXAMASNWH025.ent.textron.com (txamasnwh025.ent.textron.com [10.244.221.25]) by txaappnwh055.ent.textron.com (postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com ([169.254.7.59]) by TXAMASNWH025.ent.textron.com ([169.254.3.28]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:40:01 -0500 From: "Miller, Leonard" To: James Edwards , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun Thread-Index: AczKVuN2Ao/7PrzkTkefPSsT0f6w0AAaY+cAAAuRO7A= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:40:00 +0000 Message-ID: <06B408A5F5046342A06A8084367540550D4611@TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com> References: <06B408A5F5046342A06A8084367540550D4412@TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com> <267e5d8678b3f0bbf68cb516bcb63882.squirrel@webmail.bsdftw.org> In-Reply-To: <267e5d8678b3f0bbf68cb516bcb63882.squirrel@webmail.bsdftw.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.244.221.230] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:40:06 -0000 Thanks for responding. Auto-boot is set to true and the boot device is set to disk. When it boots= , this is displayed: FreeBSD/Sparc64 boot block boot path: /pci@8,600000/SUNW/glc@4/fp@0,0/disk@w21000004cf2fa3a3,0:a boot loader: /boot/loader file /boot/loader not found Program terminated Printenv shows boot-device is set to disk. Thanks, Leonard -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of James Edwards Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:09 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun On Tue, January 3, 2012 15:33, Miller, Leonard wrote: > Hi, > I have tried installing 8.2 Sparc on a Sun system multiple times, using > different options, and each time I do, it takes me back to the initial > options screen, where I have to exit the install, forcing it to halt. I > am never prompted to install a boot manager or anything else. I always > get through the install process, installing packages, adding users, > network settings, etc. > Your install experience sounds normal and successful. When you are finished and exit the installer, it should take you to the openboot prompt. All you *should* need to do is type in 'boot', the system will reboot and boot to disk. You don't need to worry about a boot manager as multibooting isn't supported on this platform. > When I power cycle the machine and change the boot settings back to > defaults, it fails to boot. > If it fails to boot, I'm assuming it is stopping at the OpenBoot prompt?=20 Can you elaborate further? What happens when you type 'boot disk' at the openboot prompt? If it boots, auto-boot may not be set correctly, which can be rectified by 'setenv auto-boot? true' at the openboot prompt. If that does not work, what is the output of 'printenv' - specifically what is 'boot-device' set to? Also, some further reading on installing FreeBSD on sparc64: http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Sparc_-_Installing_FreeBSD -and for more detail- http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Installation_on_Ultra_5 Hope this helps, James _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 15:51:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35A01065678 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A34188FC22 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31715 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 15:50:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 15:50:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=JG+Bs/eD98aNj0WAJVy5+JLFGBmZr8mMKpq//mIjWvE=; b=aGGNn3FELtOpCtXFNlVL/6TYqPgYU/ic0Fn9gAIfpjj3od3b2LUx5Bc9XV3F2JEepM9ATdqfmPj0CHn/7Q9ixd3Riwt8SoHgwriwigIlP+wOuIBI7mfEGNg6CartzXfD; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiT6z-0007rt-QN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:50:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:50:45 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104155045.GA8500@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120102065526.GA16481@hemlock.hydra> <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> <20120103220736.GF53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20120104045504.GB28963@hemlock.hydra> <20120104113328.GA1320@chancha.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120104113328.GA1320@chancha.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:51:08 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > > > > > > > > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider > > > > your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term > > > > differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up > > > > front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to > > > > use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. > > > > > > > > > > If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on the > > > Internet would evaporate. > > > > Thanks for noticing! > > Well Chad, you crossed the line. I don't need any > "clarification" to understand this last statement like a poor > insult. Let's do an exercise; you need it: Wait -- what? I responded to someone other than you who commented (humorously, I thought) on the fact that the majority of arguments on the Internet are about terminology. How the heck is that an insult to you? > > 1) "popularity" "demagogy" "rights" > 2) "lawyer" "demand" "rights" > > By analogy: > > 1) "bicycle" "road" "wheel" > 2) "Unix" "groups" "wheel" > > See? Not really. > > In that first paragraph where I mention "rights" in > a "popular" context, I am exactly denoting the bad use people do > of the word "rights". You killed the messenger. I didn't kill the messenger. I tried pointing out a misuse of terms in the hope it would help people be clearer when talking to each other. This was not an attempt to belittle anyone. Beyond that, I don't know what the heck your problem might be. > > Talking about an "audience" is beyond my goal. I expect just a > human being on the other side; not necessary too much cleaver or > cultivated just not having a MS Word Spelling Checker by brain > is enough. So, I will not waste my time in quoting, sub > quoting and meta quoting myself with "this is a metaphor; this > is a sarcasm; this is a hyperbole; this is a joke" to the > infinite; I made this in the past with people like you and I > know that it is a waste of time. Whenever one tries to make a point, one's audience (to a significant degree) *is* the point. That is, the person or people you are trying to influence, inform, or engage with whatever you are saying must be important, or you probably would not be trying to influence, inform, or sway that "audience". It is thus a good idea to keep that audience in mind when choosing one's words, especially where clarity is intended. The only exception that comes immediately to mind is the case where you may actually *want* to confuse and annoy people, and spark flame wars on the Internet, but it was not my belief anyone was trying to do that in this case. It's nice that you can dismiss people as irrelevant or unreachable when they try offering information in the spirit of helpfulness and correctness so easily. It must make things easy for you, I guess, though in this case I am not really sure how. > > Anyway, thanks for your teachings. Given the fact you have declared what I said an insult for some reason, I suspect this is sarcastic -- but you're welcome anyway. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 16:00:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44BA106566C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:00:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85E2C8FC18 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21461 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 16:00:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 16:00:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=7u8TbcMeKxTwHZPOxYMCB4+hkcVR6LcMRvfnztlkH54=; b=Mfwl/UKfHmO5kT5kkV0vfO4uP6VaDOibvtMKF31jXrPplUnlVXuUnHFCoYFilMnaXkeFyLxwysZsqb97YVW10RdAATzCJ3tOCg7VgDxWwcEZ47UYDpumSuVOUFIWdcm5; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiTG9-0001JG-DI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:00:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120104160012.GB8500@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120104061755.4659cdf8@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120104061755.4659cdf8@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:00:36 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:17:55AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > > > He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain "why it _would_be_ > > morally correct..." HE demanded that they explain "why it *IS* > > morally correct..." > > > Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why ..." > > > You consider that a demand? You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: HE asked that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..." The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation. > > I am not bashful, as you may have noticed. I simple asked him to > explain why such behavior would be morally acceptable. At that point he > made the accusation that I had attributed such statements, directly or > indirectly to him. I neither did, nor is there any evidence to support > the claim that I had. Both of you choose to conveniently sidestep that > simple fact. Although to his credit, he did explain his feelings on the > matter. Saying it doesn't make it so -- and nobody sidestepped it. That was the very point of what Robert Bonomi said. It is, in fact, you who sidestepped his point. > > Now, if I asked you to explain the moral justification for the > Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, would I be > accusing you of actually having written it? You don't think things > through do you? No -- you'd just be interjecting a gigantic non-sequitur. Context matters, and in this case the context suggested your question to me was meant to imply that I somehow believed that one thing was morally correct and another was not. After all, there is no reasonable damned purpose to asking *me* why one thing is morally correct and another is not if you do not believe, or mean to imply, that I *believe* the one thing is morally correct and the other is not. The point, as it should be illustrated in your analogy, is that your question about the Thirteenth Amendment would not imply Robert Bonomi *wrote* it; rather, it would imply that he *agrees* with its moral justification. If I had to guess, of course, I would think he believes it is morally justified, but that's a wild-ass speculation, and not enough to induce me to expect *him* of all people to justify it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 16:18:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E940106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:18:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lmiller@aai.textron.com) Received: from mail144.messagelabs.com (mail144.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 208058FC17 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:18:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Env-Sender: lmiller@aai.textron.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-144.messagelabs.com!1325693827!137662860!1 X-Originating-IP: [20.132.68.17] X-StarScan-Version: 6.4.3; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16984 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2012 16:17:07 -0000 Received: from srv4.textron.com (HELO TXAINFNWH007.ENT.Textron.com) (20.132.68.17) by server-7.tower-144.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 16:17:07 -0000 Received: from (unknown [10.244.250.24]) by TXAINFNWH007.ENT.Textron.com with smtp id 379b_9173_386f0d04_36ec_11e1_a6b1_0019b9f33116; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 10:53:18 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by txaappnwh055.ent.textron.com (postfix) with ESMTP id D44FD1B907F4; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from TXAMASNWH027.ent.textron.com (txamasnwh027.ent.textron.com [10.244.221.27]) by txaappnwh055.ent.textron.com (postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com ([169.254.7.59]) by TXAMASNWH027.ent.textron.com ([169.254.5.177]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:18:05 -0500 From: "Miller, Leonard" To: James Edwards , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun Thread-Index: AczKVuN2Ao/7PrzkTkefPSsT0f6w0AAaY+cAAAuRO7AAA1CCsA== Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:18:03 +0000 Message-ID: <06B408A5F5046342A06A8084367540550D466F@TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com> References: <06B408A5F5046342A06A8084367540550D4412@TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com> <267e5d8678b3f0bbf68cb516bcb63882.squirrel@webmail.bsdftw.org> <06B408A5F5046342A06A8084367540550D4611@TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com> In-Reply-To: <06B408A5F5046342A06A8084367540550D4611@TXAMASNWH024.ent.textron.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.244.221.230] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:18:11 -0000 Ok, I got it. I did a reinstall and everything appears to be running well.= I think it may have been the fact that there was no boot-file defined, bu= t I'm not sure. Now I just need to figure out how to get a window manager = running. Thanks, Leonard -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Miller, Leonard Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:40 AM To: James Edwards; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun Thanks for responding. Auto-boot is set to true and the boot device is set to disk. When it boots= , this is displayed: FreeBSD/Sparc64 boot block boot path: /pci@8,600000/SUNW/glc@4/fp@0,0/disk@w21000004cf2fa3a3,0:a boot loader: /boot/loader file /boot/loader not found Program terminated Printenv shows boot-device is set to disk. Thanks, Leonard -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of James Edwards Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:09 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.2 fails to boot after install on Sun On Tue, January 3, 2012 15:33, Miller, Leonard wrote: > Hi, > I have tried installing 8.2 Sparc on a Sun system multiple times, using > different options, and each time I do, it takes me back to the initial > options screen, where I have to exit the install, forcing it to halt. I > am never prompted to install a boot manager or anything else. I always > get through the install process, installing packages, adding users, > network settings, etc. > Your install experience sounds normal and successful. When you are finished and exit the installer, it should take you to the openboot prompt. All you *should* need to do is type in 'boot', the system will reboot and boot to disk. You don't need to worry about a boot manager as multibooting isn't supported on this platform. > When I power cycle the machine and change the boot settings back to > defaults, it fails to boot. > If it fails to boot, I'm assuming it is stopping at the OpenBoot prompt?=20 Can you elaborate further? What happens when you type 'boot disk' at the openboot prompt? If it boots, auto-boot may not be set correctly, which can be rectified by 'setenv auto-boot? true' at the openboot prompt. If that does not work, what is the output of 'printenv' - specifically what is 'boot-device' set to? Also, some further reading on installing FreeBSD on sparc64: http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Sparc_-_Installing_FreeBSD -and for more detail- http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Installation_on_Ultra_5 Hope this helps, James _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 16:21:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E13106566C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA5F28FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 11912 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 16:21:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 16:21:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=AKZy1dwEYVkz4QZFLq2tr0ck5jerv7HumM9R+TpnzIs=; b=hKrwRX8/4RDOQkQ0FxVM5UYBuY8oCjOi4PW2bmBTh6kPbr73axKV7ixZcKTG2lpa9nyfJsOAz4ssXbTtjf9YjHyA2Wv4U/VA038Zi28XX32mwLbwuf/IuDXi0cJZd4t0; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiTaU-0005FG-EF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:21:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:21:14 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104162114.GE8500@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F045445.3020101@onetel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F045445.3020101@onetel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:21:37 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 01:29:41PM +0000, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > On 04/01/2012 00:57, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > > > >um, well, yeah, but it's a laptop. :/ And I bought it before FreeBSD ever > >crossed my mind. > > Replacing the Realtek with a supported wireless card may be as easy > as undoing a plate on the bottom of the machine, unclipping the old > one and clipping in the new one. They are pretty cheap to buy on > ebay. > > Your wireless card is probably mini pci-e: > > http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=mini+pci-e+wireless+card&_sacat=See-All-Categories > > An older style is mini pci. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MiniPCI_and_MiniPCI_Express_cards.jpg > > It may require removing the keyboard which is a bit harder but quite > doable. Generally you get into a laptop by carefully levering off > the cover at the back of the keyboard. A service manual is a big > help and can often be found with some googling. As someone who has actually done laptop technician work, professionally, I figure I should point out that the claim that "generally you get into a laptop by carefully levering off the cover at the back of the keyboard" is not strictly accurate in my experience. This is certainly true of certain models, but the reality is much more complex when you are not specifying a particular model or even a particular brand. ThinkPads, for instance, are not prone to this design, and the first thing one does when disassembling (most?) modern ThinkPads (after turning them off and removing the battery, of course) is turn them over to remove screws. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 16:30:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38711065680 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:30:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18B78FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so20588289obb.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:30:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.179.70 with SMTP id de6mr5623923obc.22.1325694616623; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.17.67 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:30:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7999DEBF-0F29-4F94-8A69-942176004C4E@carrel.org> References: <4F02AC09.6080005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20492D60-81BE-43A1-BCE1-594F5715ABF6@my.gd> <7999DEBF-0F29-4F94-8A69-942176004C4E@carrel.org> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:30:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Edward Carrel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Damien Fleuriot , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Da Rock Subject: Re: pf not seeing inbound packets on netgraph interface X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:30:17 -0000 man 4 enc On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Edward Carrel wrote: > On Jan 3, 2012, at 12:12 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > >> Thinking -pf@ or -net@ would be a better place to discuss this, more chances of getting an answer. > > I was wondering about that. I'll send my question to -net@ to start. Thanks. > >> Out of curiosity why not use a gif interface ? >> I had that working just fine with racoon and was able to actually firewall traffic on it with PF, iirc. > > From what I understand of gif interfaces, they are useful when IPSec is handling the tunnel pretty much end-to-end, and just needs a passthrough interface to direct traffic to and from. If I am wrong about this, please let me know. > > The reason why I'm using netgraph instead is because the LNS is not run by me, and there is no other way of connecting to the other end but via L2TP/IPSec. > > If there is a way to use L2TP, and leverage a gif interface to complete the loop on my end, I'd be interested to hear about it. > > Thanks, > > Ed Carrel_______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 16:54:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F0F106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD71B8FC16 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24741 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 16:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 16:54:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=IYxGesH/Mm/8vOCmHkHOqxpMQyb5rxi608dDXPeaqIQ=; b=LQiu4vIM3k/PwUYdD+ehvoXogA4SmzL7B0IeAY8F31/9hqDLevyHAMmDvnCj24IkOlp0NtW/FW5hzQ+0EHRl/aBiGvXu4NHNBAUx1E6ONrhdDVM/c0LKvw6Ov3GkLS66; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiU6H-0005Dh-LW; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:54:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:54:05 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Cc: Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:54:29 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: > Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for > version 8.2? > Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and probably quite a few more answers than that. For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like Surf. For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the open source project behind Google Chrome). For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for Firefox offers some of the same benefits). For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session to use it), there's w3m. Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very soon. There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based browsers. In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey. Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock has a small but dedicated following. Conkeror, despite the similarity of its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides). I think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported to other OSes such as FreeBSD. I don't have a favorite. All browsers I have encountered disappoint me in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving it a try). Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which gets its own mention basically because it looks promising. For the negatives: Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need. I have not tried yet. Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that keep me using it at all: the extensions. Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead. Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences, and the extension "system" is very, very ad-hoc. I like some of the principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think it is as well executed as it should have been. w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw. It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though. Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance). xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a new custom software installation project this week. Beyond that, I don't know what I may or may not dislike about it. the stuff in the paragraph listing a bunch of browsers - I like all of these less than any of the browsers I mentioned before this paragraph, for a variety of reasons. I hope that helps, in conjunction with the advice others provide. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 17:02:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2438E106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roquesor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E338FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so15384255wer.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:02:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=S18qDjbbmjBRErSWwCttxPItj/AWrKEoOl2+enXOoDY=; b=WAkap1EtyjqGVklrH/TcW5xi1cLdILTZGdjjsvzTskSNdh3QflbXY5AklXGl0iSYqd SNxDinxRpVleAjwmOgD+xVZcqSJEv3a3MzE3/MGCVoJEB9ISJbIivWyiAqIIfYoQanz8 ffdiLyL74BaVlVd2Xc6Jd8VkLRq2RoNDIeNfY= Received: by 10.216.139.155 with SMTP id c27mr31612152wej.37.1325696548478; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:02:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (78.Red-80-39-127.staticIP.rima-tde.net. [80.39.127.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n3sm11694258wiz.9.2012.01.04.09.02.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:02:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:02:23 +0100 From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104170223.GA1269@chancha.local> References: <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> <20120103220736.GF53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20120104045504.GB28963@hemlock.hydra> <20120104113328.GA1320@chancha.local> <20120104155045.GA8500@hemlock.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120104155045.GA8500@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:02:30 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:50:45AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: > > > > > > > > > > So . . . please start with the denotative meanings of words, consider > > > > > your audience, and use words accordingly. If you wish to use a term > > > > > differently than how it is understood, make sure you clarify that fact up > > > > > front. If others refuse to go along with it, find a different term to > > > > > use that can better convey the meaning you wish to convey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If everyone followed your advice here, Chad, then 99% of the arguments on the > > > > Internet would evaporate. > > > > > > Thanks for noticing! > > > > Well Chad, you crossed the line. I don't need any > > "clarification" to understand this last statement like a poor > > insult. Let's do an exercise; you need it: > > Wait -- what? I responded to someone other than you who commented > (humorously, I thought) on the fact that the majority of arguments on the > Internet are about terminology. How the heck is that an insult to you? > > > > > > 1) "popularity" "demagogy" "rights" > > 2) "lawyer" "demand" "rights" > > > > By analogy: > > > > 1) "bicycle" "road" "wheel" > > 2) "Unix" "groups" "wheel" > > > > See? > > Not really. > The same happened to you with what I said about "rights", you didn't see the point. Then based in your misunderstood you adventured yourself to "teach" me how to expose my thinking. I will teach you something about life: 1) Never underestimate what others say. 2) Never think you understand at "a frist sight" what others say an their aim. 3) Never think you have a clear idea about nothing. The day you reach this point of maturity you will not reach to false conclusions like the following: > The only exception that comes immediately to mind is the case where you > may actually *want* to confuse and annoy people, and spark flame wars on > the Internet, but it was not my belief anyone was trying to do that in > this case. > Confuse and annoy people? Oh boy, confuse and annoy mature people is not so easy. Flame wars? I am not an adolescent, I have real problems in my life. Don't be stupid. > It's nice that you can dismiss people as irrelevant or unreachable when > they try offering information in the spirit of helpfulness and > correctness so easily. It must make things easy for you, I guess, though > in this case I am not really sure how. > Both statements are the conclusion you reach about me and, believe me, are far of the true. I can do the same you are doing and judge you like someone that conscious of it own mediocrity knows that must play dirty. To take words, sentences or meanings out of the context to distort and discredit the others discourse is the typical trick of this kind of people. Other conclusion I could reach about you is you are afraid I rob "your audience", yes this audience that you judge from your "superior" point of view like susceptible to be confused or annoyed. Jealously is other characteristic of people concious of its own mediocrity. That's why I put you clear it is not my interest to reach "your" audience, ergo I am not your enemy. But instead of all this shit I preferred first to think that your misunderstood came from you lack of "association" capabilities. I project my honesty in others in the same way you project your hypocrisy. The day you reach to understand the three points I told you above perhaps you will be able to make things easy for yourself. In the meanwhile, please don't try to correct what you are not able to understand. Correct yourself. > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Walter From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 17:08:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1129E106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from earlbediant@yahoo.com) Received: from nm14-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A10DC8FC0C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2012 16:55:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.161] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2012 16:55:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2012 16:55:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 628851.37650.bm@omp1017.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36768 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2012 16:55:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1325696146; bh=54iOryGre1x6BY6JZHtXc0LzbpcC+chl7KvQ2q+XKM0=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XC153vi+/8yWrZXW0mm2wKa2EjdNOJJfQULrlZzcsa4l5/9uGbShnjyd9x5MTi5Sb0UK8nqZrjGQ0+2C15R0MgElqyZQfGMPnJZkvr7p7muot96FpucBwf+fwtKsaov2EjP4XKimf9ysJ0LAa9lQzEwJd+pBZRysioXeGCNwREs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=B8NVbAHw+3+UthNea1RaS9KB+07Do/mHnbyEufPofuE2uyjAr6aNuN8D6c1nGT+c18V5l8sYuIb8zAweYq55yiMxt4KBswou3zp3JCemWfpFJzFsQlDHCCTtDtZfd3fNsk/VmrPipHvW2AtBTG3tm8mb3kuVwgnuhB6g3AkDeXg=; X-YMail-OSG: xorfBM4VM1mEfZ1kOD8eFXYxhSYEB5H0_4yh_5N24DrQ2ar CplJEITQJ5oBiA_M4_lHS_qHi5Mx657CRrOu64ChDZOhTgS9a4nnw7.ZjpUz MZrT6Pu85ttocn1_o3Sq96rd41EPJLRbTCUaIUoNiCn8O1JdmVSwqlx4KrbN 6J..7ciUmwxHOiUKmzMexdw7UggE.szNOJg0M1TFdS1ztcuxvfYCwO96ioWz YwUiSKLXGvbNaVQsi3fwxJHc4QwcolutqvQSSum0Z1XAWvvPNB4yN_yl6s1a y7YGiGFE3tkOP74gUsHB82nm7yYoSjG1KkybWCTBC620jIs81g6L0HTHwRcV avpL19bp5vEskSmGlJV2gUXzppRmjW.Urrv2ZzyqFb7h_3w-- Received: from [173.167.168.13] by web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 08:55:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1325696146.28476.YahooMailClassic@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:55:46 -0800 (PST) From: Earl Bediant To: lmiller@aai.textron.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 8.2 on Sparc system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:08:07 -0000 Is this a 32-bit Sparc system? If so, that may be your cause of failure. FreeBSD only supports Fujitsu-compatible UltraSparc processors (Sparc64). If you are trying on an older (say, 32-bit) Sparc system, it _will_ not_ work_ due to being unsupported hardware. Recheck the website about supported processors. Earl Bediant earlbediant@yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 17:12:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9381106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:12:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F238FC14 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so41345705iad.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:12:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.196 with SMTP id x4mr68633672igm.15.1325697165029; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:12:45 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.77.5 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:12:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120104170223.GA1269@chancha.local> References: <20120102083114.6c09d839@scorpio> <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> <20120103220736.GF53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20120104045504.GB28963@hemlock.hydra> <20120104113328.GA1320@chancha.local> <20120104155045.GA8500@hemlock.hydra> <20120104170223.GA1269@chancha.local> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:12:44 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pXDN04Poh3UqUEQ0RU9Sfc8-aYw Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: Walter Alejandro Iglesias Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:12:46 -0000 On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:50:45AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:33:28PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: >> > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:55:04PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> > > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:07:36PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: >> > > > Quoth Chad Perrin on Tuesday, 03 January 2012: >> > > > > Come on people, it may be entertaining, but this thread is ridiculously OT. Take it up privately or edit subject to OT please. And before anyone flips out and flames this I am referring to all the OT stuff, not just the last few posts. Keep the topic on FBSD and anything else please place OT or privately to keep the archives useful and also to respect everyone's choice to follow-up, or not, on the soap opera! Thanks, -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 17:21:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EE5106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6687F8FC12 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24741 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 16:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 16:54:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=IYxGesH/Mm/8vOCmHkHOqxpMQyb5rxi608dDXPeaqIQ=; b=LQiu4vIM3k/PwUYdD+ehvoXogA4SmzL7B0IeAY8F31/9hqDLevyHAMmDvnCj24IkOlp0NtW/FW5hzQ+0EHRl/aBiGvXu4NHNBAUx1E6ONrhdDVM/c0LKvw6Ov3GkLS66; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiU6H-0005Dh-LW; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:54:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:54:05 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Cc: Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:21:08 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: > Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for > version 8.2? > Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and probably quite a few more answers than that. For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like Surf. For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the open source project behind Google Chrome). For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for Firefox offers some of the same benefits). For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session to use it), there's w3m. Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very soon. There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based browsers. In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey. Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock has a small but dedicated following. Conkeror, despite the similarity of its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides). I think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported to other OSes such as FreeBSD. I don't have a favorite. All browsers I have encountered disappoint me in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving it a try). Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which gets its own mention basically because it looks promising. For the negatives: Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need. I have not tried yet. Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that keep me using it at all: the extensions. Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead. Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences, and the extension "system" is very, very ad-hoc. I like some of the principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think it is as well executed as it should have been. w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw. It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though. Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance). xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a new custom software installation project this week. Beyond that, I don't know what I may or may not dislike about it. the stuff in the paragraph listing a bunch of browsers - I like all of these less than any of the browsers I mentioned before this paragraph, for a variety of reasons. I hope that helps, in conjunction with the advice others provide. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 17:35:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C0D106566C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:35:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98EF8FC12 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr16 with SMTP id r16so7366130ghr.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.237.19 with SMTP id k19mr20575091anh.73.1325698547464; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm137804473any.3.2012.01.04.09.35.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TJK5m688sz2CG5x for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:34:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:34:52 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120104160012.GB8500@hemlock.hydra> References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120104061755.4659cdf8@scorpio> <20120104160012.GB8500@hemlock.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:35:49 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in > favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: > > HE asked that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..." > > The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your > momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation. Robert's tirade is improvisatory and I pay no attention to it. In any case, he is probably back under his bridge now anyway. Both of you have continued to spew the same garbage while ignoring the simple fact that I did not attributed the statements you claim I did to you. In all of your accumulated bullshit you have failed to show one instance where I did make such a claim. Your attempts to muddy up the waters fails to prove anything other than your desperate attempt to justify your unproven statement. Seriously, this reminds me of a lesson all lawyers are taught: "A lawyer's primer: If you don't have the law, you argue the facts; if you don't have the facts, you argue the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, then you argue the Constitution". Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. I know decent people that I have disagreements with, I don't need a faceless one. Do you honestly believe that I really care about what some faceless name on a monitor writes, or if it bothers or influences me? Have you ever heard of "narcissistic personality disorder" aka "NPD"? Get over yourself -- nobody is that important. Chad, I don't want you "GOING POSTAL(1)", so if it makes you feel better, I will feed your psychosis. Whatever you think I said, I said. Now have a nice cup of warm milk and relax before you hurt yourself. End of problem and end of discussion. (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 17:56:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402F5106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6CB8FC13 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so17338501wib.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:56:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k6kVua3TzY43mAlRJRDuKR7cTxZR4YyR3xguDJao6lk=; b=e+nfBQOu7ttjl07g5zEuq8uVJ8Cg9nCWkrb5k4p6SaZxWjAOoDhp083tI4jUfQkyrt o4oM+NPNn/UMnR3jvqkkqLbezrKbPJ4sNermYQYiURLM2u9npvxtryBpm9JkSvaLAmQH 2BGGyPI+lmY5jL9yh8T0+MHdnw3MQU9yxrKwk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.80.164 with SMTP id s4mr53122312wix.7.1325699798775; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 09:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.71.68 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:56:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201201041259.q04CxBDW054176@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <201201041259.q04CxBDW054176@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:56:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Daniel Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:56:40 -0000 On 4 January 2012 07:59, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, > Reference: >> From: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Daniel Lewis >> Date: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:47 -0500 >> Message-id: =A0 > > Daniel Lewis wrote: >> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for >> version 8.2? >> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) > > su > cd /usr/ports/www/firefox ; make install > > This fetches then builds from source code > > Or to install binaries > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0man pkg_add > If you have a few hours, lots of RAM, & you'd like to stress- test your system: cd /usr/ports/www/chromium && make install --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 19:37:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A896106564A; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DD58FC08; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q04Jb1tN028307; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q04Jb1l2028304; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:37:01 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> Message-ID: References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:37:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:37:04 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: >> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for >> version 8.2? >> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) > > There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and > probably quite a few more answers than that. > > For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like > Surf. > > For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions > such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). > > For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and > stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the > open source project behind Google Chrome). > > There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, > Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based > browsers. www/links also has a graphic mode (-g) which can be quite useful. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 19:37:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A896106564A; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:37:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DD58FC08; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q04Jb1tN028307; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q04Jb1l2028304; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:37:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:37:01 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> Message-ID: References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:37:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:37:04 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: >> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for >> version 8.2? >> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) > > There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and > probably quite a few more answers than that. > > For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like > Surf. > > For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions > such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). > > For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and > stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the > open source project behind Google Chrome). > > There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, > Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based > browsers. www/links also has a graphic mode (-g) which can be quite useful. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 20:01:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E76A106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A678FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (87.194.237.233) by april.london.02.net (8.5.140) id 4EEB631D00501008 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:01:00 +0000 Message-ID: <4F04AFFC.7090203@onetel.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:01:00 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F045445.3020101@onetel.com> <20120104162114.GE8500@hemlock.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20120104162114.GE8500@hemlock.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:01:03 -0000 On 04/01/2012 16:21, Chad Perrin wrote: > As someone who has actually done laptop technician work, professionally, You don't by any chance know where there is a service manual for OP's laptop in pdf format (or html)? I did a bit of googling but didn't find it. It's a Toshiba U505-S2950. Or maybe you could advise how to replace the wireless card in this particular machine... cheers Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 20:06:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3241065672 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:06:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 245A28FC1B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8610 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 20:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 20:06:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=IxrsvcZRSqZoKc9q/R24jrP6IEs7W2Z2YyFbnW9nmuo=; b=aXeOTfdvhc4bk5ledsKxWekPyVGIs9q8wc2CITurkVynN4w8KAR0D0J1GR31kOuNJq8Ety/yyK8jglSeJwIVd/iCb8cDLFwbuOrySYRh1efXXKmRh7cEyZY6ZYCCO50F; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiX6N-0006kb-Hf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:06:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:06:23 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104200623.GA13408@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120102193319.GA31717@hemlock.hydra> <20120103020611.GA22209@chancha.local> <4F02A306.5060501@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103121211.GA1375@chancha.local> <20120103181401.GB20156@hemlock.hydra> <20120103220736.GF53108@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20120104045504.GB28963@hemlock.hydra> <20120104113328.GA1320@chancha.local> <20120104155045.GA8500@hemlock.hydra> <20120104170223.GA1269@chancha.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120104170223.GA1269@chancha.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:06:46 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:02:23PM +0100, Walter Alejandro Iglesias wrote: > > Confuse and annoy people? Oh boy, confuse and annoy mature > people is not so easy. Flame wars? I am not an adolescent, I > have real problems in my life. Don't be stupid. On that ironic note, I will cease trying to have any meaningful discussion with you right now. As pointed out by a bystander, this off-topicness has gone on long enough, and my most friendly overtures have been met only with flames in any case. Have a nice day. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 20:14:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350C2106566C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C7A08FC12 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12790 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 20:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 20:13:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=c05t0ZGuR6I80UGOEabIpbK3TxfbTggy6yelxKxzgfY=; b=nEhUOMgT6WsQZWXIZiQtFGTKuSpM9sq3nGkpWbKN++zjBbB213da4lG7Q8HMASHboF98FKJ/wEvQ7Kp9Dv/G9z10vz7fZfIm/ws+nL+bbNZjL0/okMVDuWpgrPpmwv99; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiXDf-0005U7-9l for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120104061755.4659cdf8@scorpio> <20120104160012.GB8500@hemlock.hydra> <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:14:19 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:34:52PM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in > > favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: > > > > HE asked that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..." > > > > The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your > > momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation. > > Both of you have continued to spew the same garbage while ignoring the > simple fact that I did not attributed the statements you claim I did to > you. I'll make this very, very simple for you: Why the heck would you have asked *me* of all people to explain why one is supposedly "morally correct" and the other is not? I did not say that was the case, and gave no indication I thought it was the case, so your strange action of asking *me* to justify that position -- especially when it seems there are much more appropriate targets for such a question in this discussion, according to your own words -- seems entirely out of place, pointless, meaningless, and misguided, *unless* you for some reason think *I* feel that distinction is justified. I'm going to ignore the rest of your obfuscations, and just focus on that for now. > > Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. Why the heck did you ask for it, then? > > Do you honestly believe that I really care about what some faceless > name on a monitor writes, or if it bothers or influences me? Why do you waste time asking people whose opinions you do not care to know what they think of something -- especially when the person has never even stated that he or she even believes that "something" (the moral distinction between anti-Microsoft statements and anti-FreeBSD statements) exists? > > Have you ever heard of "narcissistic personality disorder" aka "NPD"? > Get over yourself -- nobody is that important. I can only assume you have not read what you, yourself, wrote. You asked me a question. Please explain why, if not because you wanted my answer. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 20:17:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5161065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from junkrigsailor@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pw0-f54.google.com (mail-pw0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6D78FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbcc3 with SMTP id c3so15162416pbc.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AsMGeveZRCqDodsJCZU3Q1aYYkNCfHPc6rn9baHOZYk=; b=gNJjAOqVWdxqZyniOzQ9Y5QbZUu943tuAtDCaEOP38nUsfHe+cHXMpemyRyveCKzfK FxFiDBCP4bAJSgEVMsl864aK1MFX8WiYKPqEml9fC04mNs/U7QJNiFm5/3KDHGbnjSez dcPPUoGlmZuTCYl2uMYE62Kkl7lUCfDuspTHo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.213.6 with SMTP id no6mr3089879pbc.94.1325708269669; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.25.233 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:17:49 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jeffrey McFadden To: Da Rock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:17:50 -0000 Thanks, all. I found a manual online. Jeff ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Da Rock < freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >> >> On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>>> >>>> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>>>>> Da Rock articulated: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the >>>> OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >>>> >>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** >>>> config-network-setup.html >>>> >>>> or the man page for ndiscvt: >>>> >>>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8&topic=**ndiscvt >>>> >>>> >>>> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of >>>> an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose >>>> manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing >>>> issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or >>>> made downloadable in FreeBSD form? >>>> >>> >> Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) >>> >> >> At >> >> http://sourceforge.net/apps/**mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.** >> php?title=Category:USB >> >> almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have >> found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps >> immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to >> find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. >> > Indeed :) > > I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own > experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- > the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at > the time :) > > I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as >> users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs >> from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to >> assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for >> it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice >> that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean >> that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and >> therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders >> and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their >> power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another >> user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) >> contribute to reforming the vendor. >> > No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can > be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical > than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card > than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or > financial reasons more than logical. > > Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS > helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and > I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be > applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the > idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) > Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate > the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had > to do with my comments or not, I don't know). > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 20:39:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98094106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD288FC14 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so15593269wer.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:39:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IoNBRBL3Fu2Bgs6NKaa6lvSGM0nYEf7ioXdJILf+MEw=; b=T1e1VloMZ75uauhePK4j3IlzRWEupE85F12Pau95cmpdCaCsHsULt6EW2C63EAq80p 7r6SjPiDker2DSACEeiN03wuRXTeGiO/aP4GETMLqC2nMxbSKZreOCMcJ3ck8Vf/IVAR B1xqtwi+b2sNgBGnadKTtp56af2MRexpknsNs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.131.223 with SMTP id m73mr36921005wei.52.1325709554088; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.71.68 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:39:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F04AFFC.7090203@onetel.com> References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F045445.3020101@onetel.com> <20120104162114.GE8500@hemlock.hydra> <4F04AFFC.7090203@onetel.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Chris Whitehouse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:39:15 -0000 On 4 January 2012 15:01, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > On 04/01/2012 16:21, Chad Perrin wrote: >> >> As someone who has actually done laptop technician work, professionally, > > > You don't by any chance know where there is a service manual for OP's laptop > in pdf format (or html)? I did a bit of googling but didn't find it. It's a > Toshiba U505-S2950. Or maybe you could advise how to replace the wireless > card in this particular machine... > It's a user's guide for the general u500 series of lap-tops: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7QsFu5wGXIiODc2NWI1ZDAtYTBmYi00NGQyLTljODItMGYwMjI5MDc4ZWQ1 (or http://bit.ly/zygnZV if that's too long) But it does show a door on the underside covering the wireless card, so it's likely a simple matter of unhooking the antennae, gently prising it free and installing a new card. (also, I have no idea if Toshiba does hardware whitelisting on any of their lap-tops, but you might search around a bit before you buy a new card) -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 20:47:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581761065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:47:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyubomir@grigorovl.eu) Received: from gateway11.websitewelcome.com (gateway11.websitewelcome.com [67.18.7.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5548FC19 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gateway11.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5011) id 9D03F9151C66C; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:47:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator1718.hostgator.com (gator1718.hostgator.com [184.173.215.146]) by gateway11.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD599151C64B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:47:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from [75.36.214.55] (port=61261 helo=neonz.localnet) by gator1718.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiXkZ-0000dq-RJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:47:56 -0600 From: Lyubomir Grigorov To: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:47:52 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-RC3; KDE/4.7.3; amd64; ; ) References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1718.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - grigorovl.eu X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: adsl-75-36-214-55.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net (neonz.localnet) [75.36.214.55]:61261 X-Source-Auth: lyubomir+grigorovl.eu X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: YWxha2F6YW07YWxha2F6YW07Z2F0b3IxNzE4Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:47:58 -0000 Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif -- Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 20:48:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFCF1065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA8A8FC1C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so29365940wgb.31 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:48:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=De0CjjKFLRfTg0RR+EHcXmkeWDgkU91xh5r+zW9q+bg=; b=ankL36Dk8O5UZ6Gq3T6kFPjyW2jnndxurYRKiajCYx1nGT0W6hQn2h/eSRYGDzTWVG CavIEa3fqM+JB1iYiPv9BI5l3wDQo1QF06ujg//cpyJjnGAKglTWSGn2Y+kqwXC6CSAY Rw1HgPJM3nfjaWShHq7Y9OssYyqs8gSQpZ0b8= Received: by 10.227.60.14 with SMTP id n14mr57146803wbh.5.1325710118382; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:48:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (client-81-105-212-132.mcr-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net. [81.105.212.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba4sm38272509wib.5.2012.01.04.12.48.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:48:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Peter Harrison In-Reply-To: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:48:35 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> To: Chad Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:48:40 -0000 On 4 Jan 2012, at 16:54, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: >> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser = for >> version 8.2? >> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) >=20 > There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and > probably quite a few more answers than that. >=20 > For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite = like > Surf. >=20 > For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and = extensions > such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). >=20 > For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, = and > stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the > open source project behind Google Chrome). >=20 > For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an = interesting > alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather > than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension = for > Firefox offers some of the same benefits). >=20 > For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've = used > (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System = session > to use it), there's w3m. >=20 > Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which > looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look = very > soon. >=20 > There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, > Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based > browsers. In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer = SeaMonkey. > Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and = Flock > has a small but dedicated following. Conkeror, despite the similarity = of > its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be = a > Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a > less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides). I > think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been = ported > to other OSes such as FreeBSD. >=20 > I don't have a favorite. All browsers I have encountered disappoint = me > in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to = giving > it a try). Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs = are > browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which > gets its own mention basically because it looks promising. For the > negatives: >=20 > Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of > custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I = need. > I have not tried yet. >=20 > Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, = and > its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that > keep me using it at all: the extensions. >=20 > Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead. >=20 > Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my = preferences, > and the extension "system" is very, very ad-hoc. I like some of the > principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not = think > it is as well executed as it should have been. >=20 > w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than > convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal = flaw. > It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used = though. > Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of = the > major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance). >=20 > xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a > new custom software installation project this week. Beyond that, I = don't > know what I may or may not dislike about it. Chad, xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and = although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff = that's not in ports. I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast = lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it = around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule = is gradually turning me off. First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is = quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, = and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration downsides. Peter Harrison. >=20 > the stuff in the paragraph listing a bunch of browsers - I like all of > these less than any of the browsers I mentioned before this paragraph, > for a variety of reasons. >=20 > I hope that helps, in conjunction with the advice others provide. >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:01:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBE81065670 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8788FC1B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so15614281wer.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:01:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=Qdjiy1yfMFa2LTQL7V76gll49KJDhju0tvnRk4unDeM=; b=x2Hi675zme/9tObQFkKQark9Y8h/Surw06fXMHwc0Ql2830QOah39PO/Kpbh3zDTfr VCpdX0qHiVomXvAdIGmVSRd89vvozElQMGxWkoQQQuS3M0J2LrV4YajQWdu9pZgDr7qF 7aPto1HwnxCsQ2aZtRQ+OKcel7TxBs4fgRe88= Received: by 10.216.139.222 with SMTP id c72mr38551243wej.4.1325710907199; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (client-81-105-212-132.mcr-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net. [81.105.212.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ei9sm137168294wid.0.2012.01.04.13.01.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:01:46 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Peter Harrison In-Reply-To: <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:01:44 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <904803AA-31CD-41EC-927A-51A9EB49DEB6@googlemail.com> References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> To: Da Rock X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:01:49 -0000 On 4 Jan 2012, at 01:08, Da Rock wrote: > On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>=20 >>> On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>>>>> Da Rock articulated: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what = the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >>>>=20 >>>> = http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-s= etup.html >>>>=20 >>>> or the man page for ndiscvt: >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=3D8&topic=3Dndiscvt >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect = of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose = manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond = licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the = distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? >>=20 >>> Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) >>=20 >> At >>=20 >> = http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=3DCatego= ry:USB >>=20 >> almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have = found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card = helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is = easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. > Indeed :) >=20 > I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own = experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than = satisfactory- the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just = been too stupid at the time :) >> I would also observe that most people involved with computers, = whether as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with = different needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. = It is a mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another = person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that = it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, = but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or = of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is = little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice = directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS = wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, = that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. > No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages = can be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more = logical than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a = different card than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense = for emotional or financial reasons more than logical. >=20 > Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although = NDIS helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these = days), and I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers = is to be applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put = forward the idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the = challenges :) Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever = since to facilitate the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers = (whether or not that had to do with my comments or not, I don't know). Da Rock, I've been using ndis drivers successfully with a Broadcom chip in my = Lenovo s10-e since I bought it some years ago - to the extent that I've = not yet switched over to the native drivers now available. I didn't find using ndisgen too problematic. Just a case of finding the = right driver files and following the manpage. I'd strongly recommend = trying it in preference to a usb stick (been there, done that) or buying = new hardware - although I'd agree that depending on the model changing a = mini-PCI card isn't necessarily that difficult (I changed it t an Intel = card in my other Dell laptop some time ago - remember to attach the = internal aerial cable!). Regards, Peter Harrison. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:04:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965801065675 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659068FC1C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q04L7wIN022787; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:07:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:07:58 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201201042107.q04L7wIN022787@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120104160012.GB8500@hemlock.hydra> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:04:58 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:17:55AM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:16:30 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > > > He did *NOT* ask the prior poster to explain "why it _would_be_ > > morally correct..." HE demanded that they explain "why it *IS* > > morally correct..." > > > Would you please be so kind as to explain to me why ..." > > > You consider that a demand? Coupled with the verb 'is' -- which you "conveniently" failed to quote, and the overall argumentative and confrontational tone of the rest of your posting, the answer that any 'reasonable man' would give is "Yes". > > I am not bashful, as you may have noticed. I simple asked him to > explain why such behavior would be morally acceptable.o You are a liar. You have now *twice* materially mis-represennted an deliberately distorted what you said. There is a MADERIAAL DIFFERENCE between "would be", and "is". Especially so, in the manner and context in which you used the words. > At that point he > made the accusation that I had attributed such statements, directly or > indirectly to him. I neither did, nor is there any evidence to support > the claim that I had. You lie, again. Your psuedo-"request" that he explain "why it _IS_ morally acceptable" *DOES* carry the implicationi/connotation that _you_ believe that the person addressed (Chad) does hold the belief in question. You stand convicted by your own use of language of attributing succh to Chad.` > Both of you choose to conveniently sidestep that > simple fact. You lie, yet a third time. I *directly* addrerssed _WHERE_ and _HOW_ you =did= attribute such beliefs to Chad. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:10:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BEE106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0208FC13 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669751703E; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 11:10:07 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4F04C02E.3090703@hdk5.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:10:06 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lyubomir Grigorov References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> In-Reply-To: <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: End of: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:10:08 -0000 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: > Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, > > How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet > > http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif > -- > Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Well said Lyubomir, How true. The graphic just keeps on going and no one wins. Aloha, ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:15:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3057D1065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95D88FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q04LEdYW049943; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:14:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id q04LEdhY049942; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:14:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:14:39 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Lyubomir Grigorov Message-ID: <20120104211439.GA49907@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:15:58 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 12:47:52PM -0800, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: > Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, Note that there are more than one persons using the name Jerry. Where I might dip in to an argument a bit, especially if I see humor in it, I never flame people or use such extravagant language in public posts. I also never sell arms to the little people. ////jerry > > How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet > > http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif > -- > Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:16:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40917106568D for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56208FC22 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr16 with SMTP id r16so7496762ghr.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.29.4 with SMTP id g4mr23034947anj.20.1325711780097; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h11sm47001993and.21.2012.01.04.13.16.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TJQ1C5gBZz2CG5x for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:16:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:16:15 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120104161615.7506d577@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120104061755.4659cdf8@scorpio> <20120104160012.GB8500@hemlock.hydra> <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:16:21 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. > > Why the heck did you ask for it, then? Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 -0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like "Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass who likes making trouble," rather than "Down with the bourgeoisie!" I just figured I'd help clarify. At that point I wanted to know how you could justify the use of one set of terms and not the other. I NEVER said that you made or condoned those statements, something I think you might finally be starting to comprehend, although I certainly would not bet my life on it. There, unlike you I have answered your question without attempting to throw up smoke screens and dodge the issue. As I stated in my last post, I no-longer have any interest in what you have to say since attempting to get a straight answer out of you is a gross waste of time. Poly, a poster with whom I rarely agree, is always straight forward with his replies and doesn't try to wiggle out of anything. I have tremendous respect for him; not necessarily his beliefs, but his honesty and integrity. "Honesty" in that I believe he sincerely believes what he is saying, and integrity in that he is not, or apparently not, a member of the "Sour Grapes Posse". You, on the other hand, are apparently a charter member of the posse and without a doubt a weasel. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:16:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0EB1065670 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E868F8FC1D for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9368 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 21:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 21:16:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=qzO9QjfTsr6VTRU9Aabpv0MqRS+rrCsuUfT2dkAHyFs=; b=K0AR7oGmqx5ZKv0s/qSzBCXWczVhzReGwYIUqVoiOhoPgGJWJYdv3fwXAFS/z3aVES7tXYegh7lWKzultDdRonRX9M/5yDi1HQp4bA40PnaK2dIIH18cnDvpM9eSIHRQ; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiYCD-0000DG-Et for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:16:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:16:29 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104211629.GA14433@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F045445.3020101@onetel.com> <20120104162114.GE8500@hemlock.hydra> <4F04AFFC.7090203@onetel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F04AFFC.7090203@onetel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:16:53 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:01:00PM +0000, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > On 04/01/2012 16:21, Chad Perrin wrote: > >As someone who has actually done laptop technician work, professionally, > > You don't by any chance know where there is a service manual for > OP's laptop in pdf format (or html)? I did a bit of googling but > didn't find it. It's a Toshiba U505-S2950. Or maybe you could advise > how to replace the wireless card in this particular machine... I'm afraid I do not have a service manual, and Toshibas are unfortunately not among the laptops I have dealt with very much (only a handful, here and there). This image seems to suggest that the instruction about prying off a panel behind the keyboard does not apply to this model: http://tinyurl.com/6rgljal This image, of a similar model (S2930 instead) clearly shows a similar keyboard facing design with no separable panel to pry off behind the keyboard: http://tinyurl.com/82r9kz4 If I had to make a guess, based on those images, I'd say you probably have to remove some of the screws from the bottom of the laptop to remove the keyboard. Whether the bevel/facing needs to be removed before removing the keyboard depends on the specific laptop. There is a possibility you may just be able to remove a single panel from the bottom of the laptop to get at the wireless card, though. This page, however, refers to a "wifi cover" as part of the shell for the bottom of the laptop: http://tinyurl.com/72x9osz My guess, based on that picture, is that it would be the smaller separate panel to the right-hand side of the picture: http://tinyurl.com/7tql3zg That may be the "memory cover" mentioned on the page, and the other cover might be the "wifi cover". Does that image look at all like your laptop's underside? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:20:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A1F1065678 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB328FC14 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds13 with SMTP id ds13so23995687wgb.1 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:20:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=De0CjjKFLRfTg0RR+EHcXmkeWDgkU91xh5r+zW9q+bg=; b=ankL36Dk8O5UZ6Gq3T6kFPjyW2jnndxurYRKiajCYx1nGT0W6hQn2h/eSRYGDzTWVG CavIEa3fqM+JB1iYiPv9BI5l3wDQo1QF06ujg//cpyJjnGAKglTWSGn2Y+kqwXC6CSAY Rw1HgPJM3nfjaWShHq7Y9OssYyqs8gSQpZ0b8= Received: by 10.227.60.14 with SMTP id n14mr57146803wbh.5.1325710118382; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:48:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (client-81-105-212-132.mcr-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net. [81.105.212.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba4sm38272509wib.5.2012.01.04.12.48.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:48:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Peter Harrison In-Reply-To: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:48:35 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> To: Chad Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:20:05 -0000 On 4 Jan 2012, at 16:54, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: >> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser = for >> version 8.2? >> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) >=20 > There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and > probably quite a few more answers than that. >=20 > For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite = like > Surf. >=20 > For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and = extensions > such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). >=20 > For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, = and > stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the > open source project behind Google Chrome). >=20 > For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an = interesting > alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather > than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension = for > Firefox offers some of the same benefits). >=20 > For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've = used > (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System = session > to use it), there's w3m. >=20 > Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which > looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look = very > soon. >=20 > There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, > Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based > browsers. In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer = SeaMonkey. > Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and = Flock > has a small but dedicated following. Conkeror, despite the similarity = of > its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be = a > Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a > less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides). I > think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been = ported > to other OSes such as FreeBSD. >=20 > I don't have a favorite. All browsers I have encountered disappoint = me > in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to = giving > it a try). Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs = are > browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which > gets its own mention basically because it looks promising. For the > negatives: >=20 > Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of > custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I = need. > I have not tried yet. >=20 > Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, = and > its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that > keep me using it at all: the extensions. >=20 > Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead. >=20 > Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my = preferences, > and the extension "system" is very, very ad-hoc. I like some of the > principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not = think > it is as well executed as it should have been. >=20 > w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than > convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal = flaw. > It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used = though. > Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of = the > major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance). >=20 > xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a > new custom software installation project this week. Beyond that, I = don't > know what I may or may not dislike about it. Chad, xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and = although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff = that's not in ports. I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast = lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it = around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule = is gradually turning me off. First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is = quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, = and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration downsides. Peter Harrison. >=20 > the stuff in the paragraph listing a bunch of browsers - I like all of > these less than any of the browsers I mentioned before this paragraph, > for a variety of reasons. >=20 > I hope that helps, in conjunction with the advice others provide. >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:27:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE62C1065672 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 558718FC20 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28853 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 21:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 21:27:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=SLU1s1KiuTjlHfmcSskv96wGRILrcWoAuKRzGUwUGFM=; b=aZtx4qRmKJo+Ljctujqc4ZWSYy4vN2HelW3NzEagPQqCsHJrg5d3+3ABTGIuEr/foLUpOKOR2FED3CeIwmkxm5sjSqPOBpaHoN84oy8S/qd+TuKF2MtSLxPsZ/8RvGT5; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiYMM-0005xU-Th; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:26:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:26:56 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104212656.GA15264@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Cc: Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:27:23 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +0000, Peter Harrison wrote: > > Chad, > > xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and > although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install > stuff that's not in ports. Thanks for correcting that. I did not find it last time I looked, though I may have relied on a nonstandard ports tree search tool that sometimes (unexpectedly) fails to update its search database. It's good to hear xxxterm is available in ports. > > I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast > lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. I'm playing with it now. I find I need to rebind a lot of functionality to make it feel really vi-like, and some of the bindings I would like to use are not possible with the keybinding configuration capabilities of xxxterm as they are currently implemented. The maintainer has invited me to submit a patch; whether I do so will definitely depend on how much time I have to figure it all out. In the meantime, I'm checking to see how well I can get by using it as my primary browser for a while. > > Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it > around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule > is gradually turning me off. I don't blame you. > > First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is > quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able > with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration > downsides. > I find the keybindings of Uzbl and Pentadactyl better than those of xxxterm so far; I stopped using Vimperator in favor of Pentadactyl a while back, so I'm probably not qualified to comment on its current state. Did you mean to say "The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . ." or did you mean it is, as you wrote it here? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:27:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6B41065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:27:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 558228FC16 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28853 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 21:27:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 21:27:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=SLU1s1KiuTjlHfmcSskv96wGRILrcWoAuKRzGUwUGFM=; b=aZtx4qRmKJo+Ljctujqc4ZWSYy4vN2HelW3NzEagPQqCsHJrg5d3+3ABTGIuEr/foLUpOKOR2FED3CeIwmkxm5sjSqPOBpaHoN84oy8S/qd+TuKF2MtSLxPsZ/8RvGT5; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiYMM-0005xU-Th; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:26:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:26:56 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104212656.GA15264@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Cc: Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:27:24 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +0000, Peter Harrison wrote: > > Chad, > > xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and > although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install > stuff that's not in ports. Thanks for correcting that. I did not find it last time I looked, though I may have relied on a nonstandard ports tree search tool that sometimes (unexpectedly) fails to update its search database. It's good to hear xxxterm is available in ports. > > I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast > lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. I'm playing with it now. I find I need to rebind a lot of functionality to make it feel really vi-like, and some of the bindings I would like to use are not possible with the keybinding configuration capabilities of xxxterm as they are currently implemented. The maintainer has invited me to submit a patch; whether I do so will definitely depend on how much time I have to figure it all out. In the meantime, I'm checking to see how well I can get by using it as my primary browser for a while. > > Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it > around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule > is gradually turning me off. I don't blame you. > > First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is > quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able > with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration > downsides. > I find the keybindings of Uzbl and Pentadactyl better than those of xxxterm so far; I stopped using Vimperator in favor of Pentadactyl a while back, so I'm probably not qualified to comment on its current state. Did you mean to say "The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . ." or did you mean it is, as you wrote it here? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:48:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37934106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 98C428FC14 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2706 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 21:47:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 21:47:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=x00/IWjIqT/KhB7tSobEFzAphYApdW2QbwCkuZimk68=; b=G5Da4+a+r8BnCTQuOH1o5r7FqaG9dfRJ7oj6KiJTjurP96bydc5A1s24BM8TP54toSMp4IorEbrzD1B39IrRaYxio8X8tzaidkeSGKApIchKVawZwt8SWWgn1sScJe+w; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiYgU-00034B-Tq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:47:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:47:44 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120104214744.GA16086@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120104061755.4659cdf8@scorpio> <20120104160012.GB8500@hemlock.hydra> <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> <20120104161615.7506d577@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120104161615.7506d577@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:48:17 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:16:15PM -0500, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > Why the heck did you ask for it, then? > > Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 > -0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like > "Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass > who likes making trouble," rather than "Down with the bourgeoisie!" I > just figured I'd help clarify. > > At that point I wanted to know how you could justify the use of one set > of terms and not the other. I NEVER said that you made or condoned > those statements, something I think you might finally be starting to > comprehend, although I certainly would not bet my life on it. This is the problem. You say you never said I condoned such statements, but for some utterly incomprehensible reason you decided to ask me to explain my (nonexistent) justification for them. What you said distinctly implied that you believed I condoned them, for exactly that reason, whether you *meant* to imply such a thing or not. I wonder if *you* are going to start to comprehend *that*. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:54:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7851065675; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E508FC12; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so15662227wer.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:54:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=s4bNXf3enGDybP5uDWA3sN1rcqWVOSudZOWfaaZ9wOw=; b=nxHoWywPOgNYlPnwVth+QnVXxzMylFxrk/Ey25LL8unkzxDjbrynXUiezC6dtcvMgh CU3a++EXgF71POvw0+llY/DPpsG9vMT/nmZiVVclxzApgMURmGsTTvRnh2EG0QWO4VeB heSwSZq9zfHBM4Ru2ZH8B55x+b/SMhMJxsEkE= Received: by 10.216.139.94 with SMTP id b72mr32276610wej.38.1325714089093; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (client-81-105-212-132.mcr-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net. [81.105.212.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm27443319wbo.6.2012.01.04.13.54.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:54:48 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Peter Harrison In-Reply-To: <20120104212656.GA15264@hemlock.hydra> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:54:46 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> <20120104212656.GA15264@hemlock.hydra> To: Chad Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:54:51 -0000 On 4 Jan 2012, at 21:26, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +0000, Peter Harrison wrote: >>=20 >> Chad, >>=20 >> xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and >> although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install >> stuff that's not in ports. >=20 > Thanks for correcting that. I did not find it last time I looked, = though > I may have relied on a nonstandard ports tree search tool that = sometimes > (unexpectedly) fails to update its search database. It's good to hear > xxxterm is available in ports. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast >> lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. >=20 > I'm playing with it now. I find I need to rebind a lot of = functionality > to make it feel really vi-like, and some of the bindings I would like = to > use are not possible with the keybinding configuration capabilities of > xxxterm as they are currently implemented. The maintainer has invited = me > to submit a patch; whether I do so will definitely depend on how much > time I have to figure it all out. In the meantime, I'm checking to = see > how well I can get by using it as my primary browser for a while. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it >> around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release = schedule >> is gradually turning me off. >=20 > I don't blame you. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding = is >> quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able >> with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration >> downsides. >>=20 >=20 > I find the keybindings of Uzbl and Pentadactyl better than those of > xxxterm so far; I stopped using Vimperator in favor of Pentadactyl a > while back, so I'm probably not qualified to comment on its current > state. >=20 > Did you mean to say "The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . ." or = did > you mean it is, as you wrote it here? Chad, Perils of typing too fast. Yes, I meant "the keybinding is /not/ quite as good" Peter Harrison. >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:54:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7851065675; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E508FC12; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so15662227wer.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:54:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=s4bNXf3enGDybP5uDWA3sN1rcqWVOSudZOWfaaZ9wOw=; b=nxHoWywPOgNYlPnwVth+QnVXxzMylFxrk/Ey25LL8unkzxDjbrynXUiezC6dtcvMgh CU3a++EXgF71POvw0+llY/DPpsG9vMT/nmZiVVclxzApgMURmGsTTvRnh2EG0QWO4VeB heSwSZq9zfHBM4Ru2ZH8B55x+b/SMhMJxsEkE= Received: by 10.216.139.94 with SMTP id b72mr32276610wej.38.1325714089093; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (client-81-105-212-132.mcr-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net. [81.105.212.132]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm27443319wbo.6.2012.01.04.13.54.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:54:48 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Peter Harrison In-Reply-To: <20120104212656.GA15264@hemlock.hydra> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:54:46 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> <20120104212656.GA15264@hemlock.hydra> To: Chad Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:54:51 -0000 On 4 Jan 2012, at 21:26, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +0000, Peter Harrison wrote: >>=20 >> Chad, >>=20 >> xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and >> although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install >> stuff that's not in ports. >=20 > Thanks for correcting that. I did not find it last time I looked, = though > I may have relied on a nonstandard ports tree search tool that = sometimes > (unexpectedly) fails to update its search database. It's good to hear > xxxterm is available in ports. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast >> lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. >=20 > I'm playing with it now. I find I need to rebind a lot of = functionality > to make it feel really vi-like, and some of the bindings I would like = to > use are not possible with the keybinding configuration capabilities of > xxxterm as they are currently implemented. The maintainer has invited = me > to submit a patch; whether I do so will definitely depend on how much > time I have to figure it all out. In the meantime, I'm checking to = see > how well I can get by using it as my primary browser for a while. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it >> around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release = schedule >> is gradually turning me off. >=20 > I don't blame you. >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding = is >> quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able >> with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration >> downsides. >>=20 >=20 > I find the keybindings of Uzbl and Pentadactyl better than those of > xxxterm so far; I stopped using Vimperator in favor of Pentadactyl a > while back, so I'm probably not qualified to comment on its current > state. >=20 > Did you mean to say "The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . ." or = did > you mean it is, as you wrote it here? Chad, Perils of typing too fast. Yes, I meant "the keybinding is /not/ quite as good" Peter Harrison. >=20 > --=20 > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 21:59:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0879D106566B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7488FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabg14 with SMTP id g14so13754634qab.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.205.134 with SMTP id fq6mr69676385qab.99.1325714388936; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi.localnet ([187.113.126.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dh10sm110089247qab.19.2012.01.04.13.59.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:59:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:00:29 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> In-Reply-To: <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201201041900.29443.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:59:50 -0000 On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: > Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, > > How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet > > http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif > -- > Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) Yes! humor. I think "open-sore" is really cute, intelligent and funny. More so than "winblows" or "micro$hit". Even with nicknames we get better results!. I believe we could all profit from being able to laugh at that too. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:10:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F951065670 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:10:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14B38FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q04MDc6x023294 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:13:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:13:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201201042213.q04MDc6x023294@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:10:38 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jan 4 11:39:20 2012 > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:34:52 -0500 > From: Jerry > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:00:12 -0700 > Chad Perrin articulated: > > > You just ignored the salient point of what Robert Bonomi said, in > > favor of trivialities. If you prefer, pretend he said: > > > > HE asked that they explain "why it *IS* morally correct..." > > > > The point he was making is no less present and clear, and now your > > momentary diversion is no longer part of the equation. > > In any case, he is probably back under his bridge now anyway. Oh my. Ad hominems, again. The next-to-last resort of those who _know_ they have no rational argument to present. > Both of you > have continued to spew the same garbage while ignoring the simple fact > that I did not attributed the statements you claim I did to you. FALSE TO FACT. You did, in fact, attribute such a belief to Chad. > In all > of your accumulated bullshit you have failed to show one instance where > I did make such a claim. Your choice of language _expressly_ *DID* include the implication that Chad believed what you were 'asking' him to explain. _YOU_ cannot provide the information 'requested' by: "Can you please explain why the moon is made of green cheese?" unless you -believe- the moon *IS* made of green cheese. > > Serious Chad, I could not care less what you think. I know decent > people that I have disagreements with, I don't need a faceless one. Available evidence indicates otherwise -- given the extent to which you go out of your way to antagonize and pick fights with them. One could reasonably conclude over-compensation for a massive inferiority complex -- trying to make yourself 'feel big' by belittling others. > > Do you honestly believe that I really care about what some faceless name > on a monitor writes, or if it bothers or influences me? Have you ever > heard of "narcissistic personality disorder" aka "NPD"? Get over > yourself -- nobody is that important. You're projecting, again, Jerry. > Chad, I don't want you "GOING POSTAL(1)", so if it makes you feel > better, I will feed your psychosis. Whatever you think I said, I said. > Now have a nice cup of warm milk and relax before you hurt yourself. > End of problem and end of discussion. Oooh! A _textbook_ 'masked inferiority' attack. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:18:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10464106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BF98FC17 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds13 with SMTP id ds13so13117wgb.1 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:18:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IRDiRjumUMSZfNLMJUGgYcI78cby/ws9ipqZzu5ok4k=; b=AIyuCDO3UpXKKUU4BpAWWq5ALRyx5updUYxLF8EWpliMUMCu1/Judrgzr133DpwF5g XgmpdyQyGu6LOaBMnTBkEm8bIuePqh+bsz2fb5NizZ0U038NL9HU9SfklnIyn+RcOLXS 2mZrxH7j2ym3bcBM0pdJTJ3UIL0e0Rk9/X8qA= Received: by 10.227.5.208 with SMTP id 16mr32856380wbw.17.1325715521675; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k33sm19422630wbo.5.2012.01.04.14.18.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:18:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:18:33 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104221833.61192fed@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <201201041259.q04CxBDW054176@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:18:43 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:56:38 -0500 illoai@gmail.com wrote: > If you have a few hours, lots of RAM, & you'd like to stress- > test your system: > cd /usr/ports/www/chromium && make install Unless things have changed radically that sounds like a bit of an exaggeration. Until about 9 months ago I was building it on a 7 year old single core athlon in 1.5GB with the work-directory on tmpfs. It was still perfectly usable as a desktop. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:25:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2F8106564A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1A58FC0C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [188.108.237.120] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RiZHK-0006f8-Kg; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:25:50 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Mario Lobo" References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> <201201041900.29443.lobo@bsd.com.br> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:25:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201201041900.29443.lobo@bsd.com.br> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.60 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.3/14252/Wed Jan 4 22:39:14 2012) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:25:52 -0000 Am 04.01.2012, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Mario Lobo : > On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: >> Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT >> fest, >> >> How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet >> >> http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif >> -- >> Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) > > Yes! humor. > > I think "open-sore" is really cute, intelligent and funny. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990206 > More so than > "winblows" or "micro$hit". > > Even with nicknames we get better results!. > > I believe we could all profit from being able to laugh at that too. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:30:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300691065688 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23558FC1F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E0515E804E0; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:30:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:30:46 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Peter Harrison Message-ID: <20120104223046.GB4332@thought.org> References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Chad Perrin , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:30:48 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +0000, Peter Harrison wrote: > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:48:35 +0000 > From: Peter Harrison > Subject: Re: Browser > To: Chad Perrin > Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) > > > On 4 Jan 2012, at 16:54, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: > >> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for > >> version 8.2? > >> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) > > > > There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and > > probably quite a few more answers than that. > > > > For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like > > Surf. > > > > For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions > > such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). > > > > For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and > > stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the > > open source project behind Google Chrome). > > > > For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting > > alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather > > than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for > > Firefox offers some of the same benefits). > > > > For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used > > (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session > > to use it), there's w3m. > > > > Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which > > looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very > > soon. > > > > There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, > > Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based > > browsers. In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey. > > Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock > > has a small but dedicated following. Conkeror, despite the similarity of > > its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a > > Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a > > less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides). I > > think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported > > to other OSes such as FreeBSD. > > > > I don't have a favorite. All browsers I have encountered disappoint me > > in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving > > it a try). Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are > > browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which > > gets its own mention basically because it looks promising. For the > > negatives: > > > > Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of > > custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need. > > I have not tried yet. > > > > Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and > > its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that > > keep me using it at all: the extensions. > > > > Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead. > > > > Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences, > > and the extension "system" is very, very ad-hoc. I like some of the > > principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think > > it is as well executed as it should have been. > > > > w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than > > convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw. > > It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though. > > Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the > > major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance). > > > > xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a > > new custom software installation project this week. Beyond that, I don't > > know what I may or may not dislike about it. > > Chad, > > xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff that's not in ports. > > I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. > > Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule is gradually turning me off. > > First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration downsides. > > i hope this isn't too far offtopic, but here's the situation: i need a tts reader to read text to me in some cases. i have been using one that is good-enough. but it's author says that this firefox 'addon' will not work with firefox-9. So: does anybody know of a browser with a builtin text-to-speech reader? i have searched ff and found no other such readers. in any case, great list of browsers:) --gk > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:35:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21E61065706 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 762438FC1E for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27961 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 22:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 22:34:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=VS1B7flJB5ymeVXzQe61ueBx1U4NFxTacHYlls2wSjU=; b=S2PfcaCxC2bf/Ln1zLiRKVJNKJ1E/ZwLBhy02YOmcg9nBIgPbpn2bGBq6R8v6gRFY9aMFGDbp3Hk3VbudEufSIsqGf7gkzCtyZzuOf6wJlLaToZKG+nJtAMPweiO1Gvy; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiZQ1-0002sb-IY for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:34:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:34:45 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104223445.GA17053@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> <20120104212656.GA15264@hemlock.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:35:14 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:54:46PM +0000, Peter Harrison wrote: > On 4 Jan 2012, at 21:26, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > Did you mean to say "The keybinding is *not* quite as good . . ." or did > > you mean it is, as you wrote it here? > > Perils of typing too fast. > > Yes, I meant "the keybinding is /not/ quite as good" Thanks for clarifying. I thought that was the case, but did not want to make unwarranted assumptions. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:37:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104CD1065670 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:37:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from anakin.london.02.net (anakin.london.02.net [87.194.255.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61A78FC16 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muji2.config (87.194.237.233) by anakin.london.02.net (8.5.140) id 4EEB63D2004C57BF; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:36:58 +0000 Message-ID: <4F04D48A.1080409@onetel.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:36:58 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100924 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F045445.3020101@onetel.com> <20120104162114.GE8500@hemlock.hydra> <4F04AFFC.7090203@onetel.com> <20120104211629.GA14433@hemlock.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20120104211629.GA14433@hemlock.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:37:00 -0000 On 04/01/2012 21:16, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:01:00PM +0000, Chris Whitehouse wrote: >> On 04/01/2012 16:21, Chad Perrin wrote: >>> As someone who has actually done laptop technician work, professionally, >> >> You don't by any chance know where there is a service manual for >> OP's laptop in pdf format (or html)? I did a bit of googling but >> didn't find it. It's a Toshiba U505-S2950. Or maybe you could advise >> how to replace the wireless card in this particular machine... > > I'm afraid I do not have a service manual, and Toshibas are unfortunately > not among the laptops I have dealt with very much (only a handful, here > and there). This image seems to suggest that the instruction about > prying off a panel behind the keyboard does not apply to this model: > > http://tinyurl.com/6rgljal > > This image, of a similar model (S2930 instead) clearly shows a similar > keyboard facing design with no separable panel to pry off behind the > keyboard: > > http://tinyurl.com/82r9kz4 > > If I had to make a guess, based on those images, I'd say you probably > have to remove some of the screws from the bottom of the laptop to remove > the keyboard. Whether the bevel/facing needs to be removed before > removing the keyboard depends on the specific laptop. There is a > possibility you may just be able to remove a single panel from the bottom > of the laptop to get at the wireless card, though. > > This page, however, refers to a "wifi cover" as part of the shell for the > bottom of the laptop: > > http://tinyurl.com/72x9osz > > My guess, based on that picture, is that it would be the smaller separate > panel to the right-hand side of the picture: > > http://tinyurl.com/7tql3zg > > That may be the "memory cover" mentioned on the page, and the other cover > might be the "wifi cover". Does that image look at all like your > laptop's underside? > I'm not the OP so I don't know what the laptop looks like. I think you may be right that screws have to be removed to get the keyboard off. http://www.laptopkeyboard.com/Guides.php/Toshiba/Satellite/u505-s2950/KBT41 also says so but it's not an original Toshiba document. But that is probably irrelevant. From the info that you found and the user manual that illoa posted http://bit.ly/zygnZV it does look like the card is accessible via that panel on the underside. In which case it is probably quicker and more certain to work to swap cards than to get the Realtek working with ndis, with very little cost - which was my original suggestion to the OP. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:39:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3F3106567B for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:39:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6970E8FC20 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so14349228ggn.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.97.12 with SMTP id z12mr23035926anl.84.1325716744760; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j11sm79812847anl.8.2012.01.04.14.39.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 14:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TJRrk0npvz2CG5x for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:39:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:39:01 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120104173901.43d29bcd@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120104214744.GA16086@hemlock.hydra> References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120104061755.4659cdf8@scorpio> <20120104160012.GB8500@hemlock.hydra> <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> <20120104161615.7506d577@scorpio> <20120104214744.GA16086@hemlock.hydra> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:39:05 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:47:44 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:16:15PM -0500, Jerry wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:13:55 -0700 Chad Perrin articulated: > > > > > > Why the heck did you ask for it, then? > > > > Fair enough, because in your post dated: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:55:26 > > -0700, you make this remark: I think the statement was more like > > "Someone who calls it 'open sore' is clearly a mean-spirited jackass > > who likes making trouble," rather than "Down with the > > bourgeoisie!" I just figured I'd help clarify. > > > > At that point I wanted to know how you could justify the use of one > > set of terms and not the other. I NEVER said that you made or > > condoned those statements, something I think you might finally be > > starting to comprehend, although I certainly would not bet my life > > on it. > > This is the problem. You say you never said I condoned such > statements, but for some utterly incomprehensible reason you decided > to ask me to explain my (nonexistent) justification for them. > > What you said distinctly implied that you believed I condoned them, > for exactly that reason, whether you *meant* to imply such a thing or > not. I wonder if *you* are going to start to comprehend *that*. OK Chad, this is my last post on this thread. I fully expect you to respond; however, I don't care. I am not replying to it. I am through feeding your psychosis. I fully explained why I asked you a simple question. Somehow you fail to grasp it. If you honestly do not condone it then all you had to say was something like, "I neither condone, support nor use such phases." That would have been the end of it. Instead, at every single turn, you have attempted to make it look like it was a personal attack on you. I never said you made such statements; although I fully believe you do support them although you would probably not publicly acknowledge it. I had seriously though about doing a search of all your posts for the last 5 years or so and seeing if I could find proof of it. However, since I can not profit from it I decided against investing the time. In any case, you would probably claim that you were misquoted or some such thing. I have noticed that somehow you have managed to piss off at least two other posters in the past 48 hours. In every case, you claim to have been basically misunderstood. I wonder, could a pattern be emerging? By the way, no asterisk was injured in the creation of this document. {THIS SPACE RESERVED FOR CHAD AND HIS RANTINGS -- I'M OUT OF HERE} From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:48:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B451E1065670 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD668FC15 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E0515E804E0; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:30:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:30:46 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Peter Harrison Message-ID: <20120104223046.GB4332@thought.org> References: <20120104165405.GF8500@hemlock.hydra> <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8C0EEF92-18FD-45A8-90EF-F26EC8762704@googlemail.com> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Chad Perrin , questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:48:16 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:48:35PM +0000, Peter Harrison wrote: > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:48:35 +0000 > From: Peter Harrison > Subject: Re: Browser > To: Chad Perrin > Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) > > > On 4 Jan 2012, at 16:54, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 07:17:47AM -0500, Daniel Lewis wrote: > >> Im running Free BSD 8.2 and was wondering whats a good web browser for > >> version 8.2? > >> Where and how would we install it? ( Im really new to unix) > > > > There are at least as many answers to this as there are browsers, and > > probably quite a few more answers than that. > > > > For minimalist browsers in the X Window System environment, I quite like > > Surf. > > > > For its incredibly rich extension system, I use Firefox (and extensions > > such as Pentadactyl, Perspectives, HTTPS Everywhere, and Scrapbook). > > > > For a combination of excellent GUI design, smooth built-in features, and > > stability (relative to Firefox), Chromium is a good choice (that's the > > open source project behind Google Chrome). > > > > For a relatively lightweight, modular design that offers an interesting > > alternative interface for people who prefer keyboard navigation rather > > than mouse navigation, there's Uzbl (though the Pentadactyl extension for > > Firefox offers some of the same benefits). > > > > For the most complete feature set of any console-based browser I've used > > (which means I don't necessarily need a running X Window System session > > to use it), there's w3m. > > > > Some OpenBSD people have started working on the xxxterm project, which > > looks quite promising to me, and I intend to give it a serious look very > > soon. > > > > There are others as well. Others have already mentioned Epiphany, > > Midori, and Opera. Lynx and Links are a couple more console-based > > browsers. In addition to Firefox, the Mozilla guys also offer SeaMonkey. > > Konqueror is the canonical choice amongst KDE users, I think, and Flock > > has a small but dedicated following. Conkeror, despite the similarity of > > its name to Konqueror, is not a KDE browser; instead, it appears to be a > > Firefox variant specifically designed for keyboard navigation (with a > > less vi-like set of default keybindings than Pentadactyl provides). I > > think NetSurf is a popular browser for the Haiku OS, but has been ported > > to other OSes such as FreeBSD. > > > > I don't have a favorite. All browsers I have encountered disappoint me > > in some way (though I hold hope for xxxterm when I get around to giving > > it a try). Each of the browsers I mentioned in their own paragraphs are > > browsers that I use at least occasionally, except for xxxterm -- which > > gets its own mention basically because it looks promising. For the > > negatives: > > > > Surf - It's so feature-minimal that I would need to build a bunch of > > custom scripts to interact with it and give me the functionality I need. > > I have not tried yet. > > > > Firefox - It's getting huge, bloated, and unstable for my purposes, and > > its recent rapid iteration model regularly breaks the very things that > > keep me using it at all: the extensions. > > > > Chromium - The extension system is (intentionally) brain-dead. > > > > Uzbl - It's a bit of a pain in the butt to configure to my preferences, > > and the extension "system" is very, very ad-hoc. I like some of the > > principles of the underlying architecture, but in practice I do not think > > it is as well executed as it should have been. > > > > w3m - I find its keyboard navigation capabilities somewhat less than > > convenient and, as a console-based browser, that's kind of a fatal flaw. > > It's still better than any other console-based browser I've used though. > > Then, of course, there's the fact that it lacks the conveniences of the > > major GUI browsers (plugin support, for instance). > > > > xxxterm - It's not in FreeBSD's ports system (yet), and I don't need a > > new custom software installation project this week. Beyond that, I don't > > know what I may or may not dislike about it. > > Chad, > > xxxterm is in ports - at least I have it installed on my netbook and although I can't remember how it got there, I never (ever) install stuff that's not in ports. > > I installed for exactly the same reasons you're looking at it - fast lean browser with good (vi-like) keybindings. > > Firefox runs like a dog on my atom processor, but I do still keep it around for some stuff although compiling to keep their release schedule is gradually turning me off. > > First impressions of xxxterm are that it's very good. The keybinding is quite as good as uzbl or vimperator on firefox, but it's live-able with, and it seems to have fewer performance or configuration downsides. > > i hope this isn't too far offtopic, but here's the situation: i need a tts reader to read text to me in some cases. i have been using one that is good-enough. but it's author says that this firefox 'addon' will not work with firefox-9. So: does anybody know of a browser with a builtin text-to-speech reader? i have searched ff and found no other such readers. in any case, great list of browsers:) --gk > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 22:49:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4BD1065676 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B8758FC23 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17096 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2012 22:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2012 22:48:47 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=/KHzd7fAMYK8+YVZ0MbmyKzv+gM7OiEzEkMfXqmG9Iw=; b=UUk/ymRxUzUQlDDFDaYp7L/IMwVmgU3jSI6yjHuow4KASVPunbIZh3/xO6GRksdUFhg7WAkSeKXrJTBuoq1ZOEoSYhLvIpDVFwwfQJ44vv6nOex00FUJHn34sl2c9K99; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiZdP-0007Er-BX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:48:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:48:36 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120104224836.GA17379@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F045445.3020101@onetel.com> <20120104162114.GE8500@hemlock.hydra> <4F04AFFC.7090203@onetel.com> <20120104211629.GA14433@hemlock.hydra> <4F04D48A.1080409@onetel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F04D48A.1080409@onetel.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:49:08 -0000 On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 10:36:58PM +0000, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > > it does look like the card is accessible via that panel on the > underside. In which case it is probably quicker and more certain to > work to swap cards than to get the Realtek working with ndis, with > very little cost - which was my original suggestion to the OP. I agree, so long as Toshiba does not do hardware whitelisting with that model. If it does, I suspect just getting a compatible card from another Toshiba would probably work; if not, there may possibly be a software tool (probably on a bootable CD image) that can be used to deactivate the hardware whitelisting somewhere out there on the Internet, as there is for ThinkPads. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 23:03:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1B91065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5463D8FC1A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F4FB5C21 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:15:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F04D9E1.4010700@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:59:45 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> In-Reply-To: <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:03:12 -0000 On 01/05/12 06:47, Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: > Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and OT fest, > > How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet > > http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif > LOL From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 23:08:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8230B106566C for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127B68FC17 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EEBF75C21 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:20:33 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F04DB08.8020100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:04:40 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <904803AA-31CD-41EC-927A-51A9EB49DEB6@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <904803AA-31CD-41EC-927A-51A9EB49DEB6@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:08:06 -0000 On 01/05/12 07:01, Peter Harrison wrote: > On 4 Jan 2012, at 01:08, Da Rock wrote: > >> On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>> >>>> On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>>>>>> Da Rock articulated: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html >>>>> >>>>> or the man page for ndiscvt: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? >>>> Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) >>> At >>> >>> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB >>> >>> almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. >> Indeed :) >> >> I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at the time :) >>> I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. >> No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or financial reasons more than logical. >> >> Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had to do with my comments or not, I don't know). > Da Rock, > > I've been using ndis drivers successfully with a Broadcom chip in my Lenovo s10-e since I bought it some years ago - to the extent that I've not yet switched over to the native drivers now available. > > I didn't find using ndisgen too problematic. Just a case of finding the right driver files and following the manpage. I'd strongly recommend trying it in preference to a usb stick (been there, done that) or buying new hardware - although I'd agree that depending on the model changing a mini-PCI card isn't necessarily that difficult (I changed it t an Intel card in my other Dell laptop some time ago - remember to attach the internal aerial cable!). Make no mistake I'm not being facetious. How did you do it? The biggest problem I had was that there are multiple firmware for different scenarios that are loaded. One for base station mode, one for adhoc, and one more I think... They got in the way of using it correctly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 23:42:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999C5106575A for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:42:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA2E8FC08 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3385B5C21 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:55:05 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F04E31E.5050802@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:39:10 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> <201201041247.55989.lyubomir@grigorovl.eu> <201201041900.29443.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:42:37 -0000 On 01/05/12 08:25, Michael Ross wrote: > Am 04.01.2012, 23:00 Uhr, schrieb Mario Lobo : > >> On Wednesday 04 January 2012 17:47:52 Lyubomir Grigorov wrote: >>> Mainly to Jerry and Chad, but anyone contributing to the flame and >>> OT fest, >>> >>> How I feel whenever I see people argue on the internet >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/biopQ.gif >>> -- >>> Lyubomir Grigorov (bgalakazam) >> >> Yes! humor. >> >> I think "open-sore" is really cute, intelligent and funny. > > > http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990206 > :D > > >> More so than >> "winblows" or "micro$hit". >> >> Even with nicknames we get better results!. >> >> I believe we could all profit from being able to laugh at that too. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 4 23:47:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC431065673 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1256C8FC16 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8D065C21 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:00:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F04E45D.9070007@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:44:29 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120103173943.5b47afc6@scorpio> <201201040016.q040GUA6013103@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120104061755.4659cdf8@scorpio> <20120104160012.GB8500@hemlock.hydra> <20120104123452.708ac5a7@scorpio> <20120104201324.GB13408@hemlock.hydra> <20120104161615.7506d577@scorpio> <20120104214744.GA16086@hemlock.hydra> <20120104173901.43d29bcd@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120104173901.43d29bcd@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals Documentation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:47:56 -0000 On 01/05/12 08:39, Jerry wrote: > I have noticed that somehow you have managed to piss off at least two > other posters in the past 48 hours. In every case, you claim to have > been basically misunderstood. I wonder, could a pattern be emerging? And you, Jerry, have successfully managed to piss off a poster every day for the past week. Would you care to pull it out and measure now? Or are you going lose the antagonistic attitude? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 03:25:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B59106566B for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc3.surewest.net (rc3.surewest.net [66.60.130.52]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9B88FC0A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc3.surewest.net ({9c3c9505-091b-4be1-8280-6f177375641d}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120105032352201 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:23:52 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp2.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC6F893E0 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ADEA29C138 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (blacksheep.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 903671656AA for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:23:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1325733830; bh=bLLISViCLu08d8jLHEwHk1MybkyeFZA2l3TgAilzzCs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type; b=hWS60uhIzxxCyFA9Gh9Fmb+/ODGYo78XXYXknoZFJf8y8wJbxZ/vjIYhzvcvvzpGn b+BS0u9B4N9zIytjHALGvQVkoC+ErtCPAO2eoUtiE9fTQryb6Kjhg+cWe+nAR9CkBp kHV7Hb7xUnI5PQvf61hgpM+I7dxc2qrqsK8l5fkY= Message-ID: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:23:38 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120104-1, 01/04/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 03:25:00 -0000 I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house but plenty of DVDs. :) Thanks, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 04:02:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A959106566C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:02:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from omr12.networksolutionsemail.com (omr12.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F349B8FC08 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cm-omr7 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr12.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q053n0Nn028675 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:49:00 -0500 Authentication-Results: cm-omr7 smtp.user=racerx@makeworld.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authenticated-UID: racerx@makeworld.com Received: from [50.44.135.246] ([50.44.135.246:19665] helo=[192.168.222.24]) by cm-omr7 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id 48/E3-03964-BAD150F4; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 22:49:00 -0500 To: "=?utf-8?B?RHJldyBUb21saW5zb24=?=" , "=?utf-8?B?RnJlZUJTRCBRdWVzdGlvbnM=?=" Message-ID: <48.E3.03964.BAD150F4@cm-omr7> From: "Chris" Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:49:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:02:02 -0000 Q2FuJ3Qgc3BlYWsgZm9yIHRoZSA2NCBiaXQgYnV0IHRoZSBJMzg2IGRvZXMuCgpBcyBmb3IgIGEg RFZELCBsb29rIGZvciB0aGF0IGF0IHRoZSByZWxlYXNlLgoKQ2hyaXMKU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IEhU Qy4KCi0tLS0tIFJlcGx5IG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0KRnJvbTogIkRyZXcgVG9tbGluc29uIiA8ZHJl d0BteWtpdGNoZW50YWJsZS5uZXQ+CkRhdGU6IFdlZCwgSmFuIDQsIDIwMTIgOToyMyBwbQpTdWJq ZWN0OiBGQlNELTkuMC1SQzMgRGlzayAxIElTTyBCb290YWJsZT8KVG86ICJGcmVlQlNEIFF1ZXN0 aW9ucyIgPGZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnPgoKSSBkb3dubG9hZGVkIEZyZWVC U0QtOS4wLVJDMy1hbWQ2NC1kaXNjMS5pc28gPGZ0cDovL2Z0cC5mcmVlYnNkLm9yZy9wdWIvRnJl ZUJTRC9yZWxlYXNlcy9hbWQ2NC9hbWQ2NC9JU08tSU1BR0VTLzkuMC9GcmVlQlNELTkuMC1SQzMt YW1kNjQtZGlzYzEuaXNvPiBhbmQgYnVybmVkIHRoZSBpbWFnZSB0byBDRC4gIEhvd2V2ZXIgdGhl IENEIGRvZXMgbm90IGJvb3QuICBKdXN0IHdhbnRlZCB0byBjb25maXJtIHRoYXQgaXQgaXMgc3Vw cG9zZWQgdG8gYmUgYm9vdGFibGUuCgpBbHNvLCBpcyB0aGVyZSBhIERWRCB2ZXJzaW9uPyAgSSBk b24ndCBoYXZlIG1hbnkgQ0RzIGFyb3VuZCBteSBob3VzZSBidXQgcGxlbnR5IG9mIERWRHMuICA6 KQoKVGhhbmtzLAoKRHJldwo8ZnRwOi8vZnRwLmZyZWVic2Qub3JnL3B1Yi9GcmVlQlNEL3JlbGVh c2VzL2FtZDY0L2FtZDY0L0lTTy1JTUFHRVMvOS4wL0ZyZWVCU0QtOS4wLVJDMy1hbWQ2NC1kaXNj MS5pc28+IAoKLS0gCkxpa2UgY2FyZCB0cmlja3M/CgpWaXNpdCBUaGUgQWxjaGVtaXN0J3MgV2Fy ZWhvdXNlIHRvCmxlYXJuIGNhcmQgbWFnaWMgc2VjcmV0cyBmb3IgZnJlZSEKCmh0dHA6Ly9hbGNo ZW1pc3Rzd2FyZWhvdXNlLmNvbQoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX18KZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJlZWJzZC5vcmcgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0Cmh0 dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5mcmVlYnNkLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL2ZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25z ClRvIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJlLCBzZW5kIGFueSBtYWlsIHRvICJmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucy11bnN1 YnNjcmliZUBmcmVlYnNkLm9yZyIKCg== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 04:05:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C5D1065672 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rocky@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365C18FC0C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB19F5C21; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:17:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F0520A2.8040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 14:01:38 +1000 From: R Skinner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Tomlinson References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> In-Reply-To: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:05:05 -0000 On 01/05/12 13:23, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso > > and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just > wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. > > Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house > but plenty of DVDs. :) Hi Drew, and welcome to FreeBSD. How did you 'burn' the disc? As an iso image (in Windows) you can open any burning program and tell it to burn it as is; you don't need to extract any contents. This is the usual problem if it won't boot. Alternatively, you can try making an installer on a usb disk. I'd recommend at least a 2Gb stick, preferably 4G. See: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-pre.html section 3.3.5. HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 04:43:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E18D106566C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:43:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amitabhkant@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BE18FC0C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfk1 with SMTP id fk1so191083vcb.13 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:43:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=F792jAfXkkZ8t7yxjpCtJxj1N1FckG+RcoRDiFwTlTc=; b=wxmmV00nmfF1BGeicdiKi6CGSoB0ymlRZJy62vNHNdQ7dPJhdRmbzcenZy+PeGDBNN EzFyoFZUI2yweIO5mtx0vshUAYC7KUizHyDYx0L6aaFo+pGNATjU5AOQZllw/6+WuNQ5 mLaqRFEmCWIoDxV9/EIwoovegH6cMqeKujQYI= Received: by 10.220.155.142 with SMTP id s14mr264792vcw.1.1325736738161; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:12:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.116.180 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:11:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> From: Amitabh Kant Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:41:57 +0530 Message-ID: To: Drew Tomlinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:43:36 -0000 On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.**iso **FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/**ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-** > RC3-amd64-disc1.iso> > and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just wanted to > confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. > > Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house but > plenty of DVDs. :) > > Thanks, > > Drew > ISO-IMAGES/9.0/FreeBSD-9.0-**RC3-amd64-disc1.iso> > > > Yes, it's bootable. I did install a test install couple of days ago using amd64 arch. Amitabh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 05:13:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89501065670 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc2.surewest.net (rc2.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C258FC08 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc2.surewest.net ({1b970212-ad71-403b-a2dd-d897d2565e71}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120105051123962; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:11:23 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp4.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BF58963F; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A3F9F9BF1E; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (blacksheep.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A9EB1656B1; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:11:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1325740281; bh=1sApYIdKRBT6I+3PJVD65qIV9OHF5m/Wk+6bSDhulyA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PolG7U9YF4EtIJsHieE7wgk0WyLUDw9owkIiFe+PoPBo7a/tCv5mzsacmlXrAZY/k AMDMfgLz+Ubaky8UeaAhX9iw/Obrx6FVzbV4jRE6DrNaFaoVMSxXqKC0nvzfhUFGRW 2U735FXNMswsY8mVf0dCilPcUfmasR1BIcgLV1Vc= Message-ID: <4F0530ED.5030004@mykitchentable.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:11:09 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: R Skinner References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <4F0520A2.8040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F0520A2.8040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120104-1, 01/04/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:13:03 -0000 On 1/4/2012 8:01 PM, R Skinner wrote: > On 01/05/12 13:23, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso >> >> and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just >> wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. >> >> Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house >> but plenty of DVDs. :) > Hi Drew, and welcome to FreeBSD. > > How did you 'burn' the disc? As an iso image (in Windows) you can open > any burning program and tell it to burn it as is; you don't need to > extract any contents. This is the usual problem if it won't boot. I used the Windows image burning tool on the one that didn't work. However I tried on another PC that had Nero Burning ROM. That one worked. Now I just wish the boot disk had an apparent way to enable ssh so I could install from another PC while browsing the web. [snip] Thanks, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 05:20:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641B6106567C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc1.surewest.net (rc1.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330558FC23 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc1.surewest.net ({dfaaa318-551d-4a0a-8038-7c31cf31c4f6}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120105051752248; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:17:52 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp1.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C077C8969A; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F0329C132; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (blacksheep.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E1C2F1656B3; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:17:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1325740671; bh=msHwLeVJpckMMY3cTDNnDGaiAmrWbm9mQA6Ty4+I6So=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jZ2Tf/GGLQg3rRoDV/AuK9hMKuvH83pNiPQZIrtDwwPbNlI/lqlrDbEPwqbHDIMkJ ZhOMrflw/xfLN7WMSHA2HDXKWMhy8/L1P0Krj5if7PCub7Sx1nePHT2a2wUqgeo2IA hLXm2x65MZUubMJwIOVXHeOt8i6ovqqWPR8DvGfs= Message-ID: <4F053274.9000203@mykitchentable.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:17:40 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <4EFF816B.60705@mykitchentable.net> <09FA5A77FFE5778565074B7A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <4F022C5F.9040208@mykitchentable.net> <9C50D7032AAA3D7A1D39E45A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <9C50D7032AAA3D7A1D39E45A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120104-1, 01/04/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Daniel Staal Subject: Re: Help Recovering FBSD 8 ZFS System X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:20:47 -0000 On 1/2/2012 2:37 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of January 2, 2012 2:14:55 PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson is alleged to > have said: > >> Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. However in this case, the >> controller is >> a SATA that's integrated into the motherboard. Since two of 4 are >> working, that would mean the controller is OK, right? I guess I could >> swap SATA cables for a test. > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > Actually, typically one controller only runs two drives, IIRC. So you > could have one bad controller out of two. If swapping cables helps, > you may want to try getting a SATA card or something similar. (If > swapping cables means you can see the other two drives, a SATA card > should mean you'll get all your data back.) Thanks for that. Tore into it today. The unseen drive is dead. Doesn't even spin up and thus, the data and OS is gone. But on the bright side, this is a perfect opportunity to install 9.0 RC3. Thanks, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 11:29:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58985106566B for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:29:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C558FC14 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7541F3D5B9; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:29:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q05BTSQ5002932; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:29:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:29:28 +0100 From: Polytropon To: RW Message-Id: <20120105122928.3fb9fb76.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120104221833.61192fed@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <201201041259.q04CxBDW054176@fire.js.berklix.net> <20120104221833.61192fed@gumby.homeunix.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:29:31 -0000 On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 22:18:33 +0000, RW wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:56:38 -0500 > illoai@gmail.com wrote: > > > > If you have a few hours, lots of RAM, & you'd like to stress- > > test your system: > > cd /usr/ports/www/chromium && make install > > > Unless things have changed radically that sounds like a bit of an > exaggeration. Until about 9 months ago I was building it on a 7 year > old single core athlon in 1.5GB with the work-directory on tmpfs. It > was still perfectly usable as a desktop. Well, last time I tried to compile one of Firefox's recent versions from ports, it demanded to have access to X during the "make" stage. That was the point I decided _not_ to continue (as the system in question didn't have X). Maybe I did something wrong, maybe I should have dealt with building options more carefully. But anyway, you type "make" and the intended web browser wants to access X? >From within a UID=0 session? Hmmm... On the other hand, installing google's Chromium browser went through without that kind of annoying trouble. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 12:39:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB28106564A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992798FC0A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so468551wib.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:39:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R0BNOOh/XUEwUltXp+GaOFjWV9SDaNJrciwCogsJwD4=; b=gLVJBN2f85MxXEfRK4p6hyuev2nilygCFZ8iXVWhMrvJ5Kx7+8gcD9IavLHolp3Zno +dNjtjFY1NAd9uOKRGfwF3qO87ZK0zNRIWDYHIIwnvxB9CCEDo41HdsbIS+9CFIO3+Kv Jmf8qqpSXmKOOdyoIcbph6WuRY+3iY8mru8NA= Received: by 10.181.12.43 with SMTP id en11mr3774351wid.6.1325767172425; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p2sm64211121wbh.22.2012.01.05.04.39.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 04:39:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:39:25 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120105123925.3a66b0e3@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20120105122928.3fb9fb76.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201201041259.q04CxBDW054176@fire.js.berklix.net> <20120104221833.61192fed@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120105122928.3fb9fb76.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:39:34 -0000 On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:29:28 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > Well, last time I tried to compile one of Firefox's > recent versions from ports, it demanded to have > access to X during the "make" stage. That was the > point I decided _not_ to continue (as the system > in question didn't have X). Maybe I did something > wrong, maybe I should have dealt with building > options more carefully. You turned-on Profile-Guided Optimization, which is off by default. > But anyway, you type "make" > and the intended web browser wants to access X? > From within a UID=0 session? Hmmm... pre-extract: .if defined(WITH_PGO) @${ECHO} "*****************************************************************" @${ECHO} "**************************** attention **************************" @${ECHO} "*****************************************************************" @${ECHO} "To build Firefox with PGO support you need a running X server and" @${ECHO} " build this port with an user who could access the X server! " @${ECHO} "" @${ECHO} "During the build a Firefox instance will start and run some test." @${ECHO} " Do not interrupt or close Firefox during this tests! " @${ECHO} "*****************************************************************" @sleep 10 .endif From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 13:56:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7396D1065672 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:56:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1148FC21 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB31A78C58 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:56:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.7.0 (20110701) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id vsldUC4M7XhP for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:56:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 90BDD78C4A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:56:15 +0100 (CET) From: bsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:56:15 +0100 Message-Id: <67A47520-6E8F-4D9E-974D-97105FE2205E@todoo.biz> To: Liste FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Shared Memory allocation in jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:56:17 -0000 Hi,=20 I am trying to run both postgres and zabbix in the same jail and I am = only able to start postgres or zabbix not both of them.=20 I have tuned my sysctl on master host as follow :=20 kern.ipc.shmmax=3D268435456 kern.ipc.shmall=3D409600 kern.ipc.semmap=3D256 security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=3D1 security.jail.sysvipc_allowed=3D1 security.jail.enforce_statfs=3D1 No special tunning on jail host.=20 I have also tunned in rc.conf=20 jail_sysvipc_allow=3D"YES" I am still not able to start both at the same time.=20 Any idea ?=20 =96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96= =96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96 ---------> Gr=E9gory Bernard Director <--------- ---------------> www.osnet.eu <--------------- --> Your provider of OpenSource appliances <-- =96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96= =96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96 OSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetO From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 14:54:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B418B106566C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:54:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAA98FC0C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rioi5-0004q1-4m for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 14:54:39 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Riohu-0004Gu-TS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 14:54:18 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q05EsIvu060987 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:54:18 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q05EsIXm060986 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:54:18 GMT (envelope-from mexas@bris.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk: mexas set sender to mexas@bris.ac.uk using -f Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:54:18 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120105145418.GA60939@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: how to convert bibliography from latex/bibtex to troff/refer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 14:54:43 -0000 I've a large bibtex style (.bib) bibliography file. I'd like to convert it to refer(1) format. Are there any tools readily available for this? Many thanks Anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 331 5944 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 15:33:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA7A1065675 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:33:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BE08FC18 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DAD78C39 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:33:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.7.0 (20110701) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id tHVY2Z5CL657 for ; 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Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4976C8FC18 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so1595946iad.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:55:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.196 with SMTP id x4mr3235348igm.15.1325778957635; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:55:57 -0800 (PST) Sender: aimass@yabarana.com Received: by 10.231.77.5 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 07:55:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <67A47520-6E8F-4D9E-974D-97105FE2205E@todoo.biz> References: <67A47520-6E8F-4D9E-974D-97105FE2205E@todoo.biz> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:55:57 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gMUmDmUkbfbQ4muS0mvC648d5Hg Message-ID: From: Alejandro Imass To: bsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: Shared Memory allocation in jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:55:58 -0000 On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:56 AM, bsd wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to run both postgres and zabbix in the same jail and I am only able to start postgres or zabbix not both of them. > Yeah bro, it bit me in the ass as well ;-) the SysV IPC is common for the whole system. So anything that uses IPC in jails will have to go through this process.... You have to change the Pg user's id and the chown the Pg files. I use a nomeclature for this and is the last 3 digits of the jail's IP and the original uid. Example The jail on 192.168.101.124 has a Pg user of 70124 for port NATing I use the contrary nomenclature like 12480 is the network port 80 of the same jail in th public IP as 12480. Anyway here is my recipe: pw usermod pgsql -u 70124 pw groupmod pgsql -g 70124 chown -R pgsql /usr/local/pgsql/ chgrp -R pgsql /usr/local/pgsql/ When you run ipcs from the jail You should the see something like the example below, where there is still one Pg on uid 70 but from the jail's perspective it's the pgsql user who now has uid of 70124 Message Queues: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP Shared Memory: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP m 1179648 5432001 --rw------- 70 70 m 131073 0 --rw------- 70 70 m 1572866 5432002 --rw------- pgsql pgsql Semaphores: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP s 1703936 5432001 --rw------- 70 70 s 1703937 5432002 --rw------- 70 70 s 1703938 5432003 --rw------- 70 70 s 1572867 5432004 --rw------- 70 70 s 1572868 5432005 --rw------- 70 70 s 1572869 5432006 --rw------- 70 70 s 1572870 5432007 --rw------- 70 70 s 1179655 5432008 --rw------- pgsql pgsql s 1179656 5432009 --rw------- pgsql pgsql s 1179657 5432010 --rw------- pgsql pgsql s 1179658 5432011 --rw------- pgsql pgsql s 1179659 5432012 --rw------- pgsql pgsql s 1179660 5432013 --rw------- pgsql pgsql s 1179661 5432014 --rw------- pgsql pgsql Cheers, -- Alejandro Imass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 18:26:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6906106570D for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0EB8FC27 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lb7f8hsrpno-svcs.dcs.int.inet (HELO pd7mr2no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca) ([10.0.144.222]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2012 11:26:10 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=ShSdAcu1Py0fMI7ZLHE1c3wcuKgo+d1Bbvce+lKxwfs= c=1 sm=1 a=ZdcoLhyElKcA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=5mcg790sAAAA:8 a=I9yNEBwSJxgKi5f4TWcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jviUwiy3ipXnS-__:21 a=tRaRQdzzG_5wNGl2:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO ms013no.no.cg.dcs.int.inet) ([10.0.144.222]) by pd7mr2no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2012 11:26:10 -0700 Received: from shaw.ca ([unknown] [10.0.145.159]) by l-daemon (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTP id <0LXC00LDB8JMLBQ0@l-daemon> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:26:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.0.144.233] (Forwarded-For: [10.0.146.233]) by vms024.prod.shaw.ca (mshttpd); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:26:10 -0700 From: Dale Scott To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:26:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: portaudit report against web app since updated (by web app itself) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:26:10 -0000 I originally installed WordPress as a port because it was convenient to way to make sure I had all the PHP dependencies. However, I've since updated WordPress internally a number of times, and am now getting portaudit advisories against the original port that was installed. I'd prefer not to get portaudit advisories in this situation. Any recommendations? Thanks, Dale ----- Transparency with Trust http://www.dalescott.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 19:27:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6331065677 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:27:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFDC8FC15 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B671703E; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:27:14 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4F05F991.5050605@hdk5.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:27:13 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris References: <48.E3.03964.BAD150F4@cm-omr7> In-Reply-To: <48.E3.03964.BAD150F4@cm-omr7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Drew Tomlinson , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:27:18 -0000 Chris wrote: > Can't speak for the 64 bit but the I386 does. > > As for a DVD, look for that at the release. > > Chris > Sent from my HTC. > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Drew Tomlinson" > Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 9:23 pm > Subject: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? > To: "FreeBSD Questions" > > I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. > > Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house but plenty of DVDs. :) > > Thanks, > > Drew > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions Aloha Drew, I made a DVD of i386 10.0 and it works fine too. Haven't tried the 64. Even the new install screen worked the first time for me. Amazing. Da guys did a good job. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 19:31:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A530106566B for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:31:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE6A8FC14 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F43E1703E; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:31:26 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4F05FA8D.4080304@hdk5.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:31:25 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Tomlinson References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <4F0520A2.8040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F0530ED.5030004@mykitchentable.net> In-Reply-To: <4F0530ED.5030004@mykitchentable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions , R Skinner Subject: Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:31:27 -0000 Drew Tomlinson wrote: > On 1/4/2012 8:01 PM, R Skinner wrote: >> On 01/05/12 13:23, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>> I downloaded FreeBSD-9.0-RC3-amd64-disc1.iso >>> >>> and burned the image to CD. However the CD does not boot. Just >>> wanted to confirm that it is supposed to be bootable. >>> >>> Also, is there a DVD version? I don't have many CDs around my house >>> but plenty of DVDs. :) >> Hi Drew, and welcome to FreeBSD. >> >> How did you 'burn' the disc? As an iso image (in Windows) you can open >> any burning program and tell it to burn it as is; you don't need to >> extract any contents. This is the usual problem if it won't boot. > > I used the Windows image burning tool on the one that didn't work. > However I tried on another PC that had Nero Burning ROM. That one > worked. Now I just wish the boot disk had an apparent way to enable ssh > so I could install from another PC while browsing the web. > > [snip] > > Thanks, ################ > Drew > I accessed the sshd from the new install screen as an option when I loaded it on the test box. I had to set up the lan manually to first get it up. Then you should be able to use ssh. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 19:43:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D351065678 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:43:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622588FC29 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (pool-96-236-174-150.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [96.236.174.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F6169EC5 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fracasso.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FC5C5C5D for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:42:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:42:04 -0500 From: Janos Dohanics To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:43:00 -0000 Hello Everyone, I was trying to set up a new gmirror with components ad4 and ad6 in a machine which already has one, but the new gmirror doesn't finish syncing: Jan 4 20:21:27 <0.2> isolde kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/gm1 launched (1/1). Jan 4 21:22:32 <0.2> isolde kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device gm1: rebuilding provider ad6. Jan 4 23:43:50 <0.2> isolde kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Request failed (error=5). ad4[READ(offset=657053450240, length=131072)] Jan 4 23:43:50 <0.2> isolde kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Synchronization request failed (error=5). mirror/gm1[READ(offset=657053450240, length=131072)] I then ran smartctl short and long tests on both ad4 and ad6: # smartctl -l error /dev/ad4 smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Error Log Version: 1 No Errors Logged No errors logged... but then: # smartctl -a /dev/ad4 smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64] (local build) Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Western Digital Caviar Black Device Model: WDC WD2002FAEX-007BA0 Serial Number: WD-WMAY03714307 LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 0ad99b304 Firmware Version: 05.01D05 User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB] Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated Local Time is: Thu Jan 5 14:34:13 2012 EST SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. SMART support is: Enabled [...] SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 1863 1283307620 # 2 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 1860 1283307620 # 3 Extended offline Completed: read failure 90% 1742 1283307620 So, my questions are: - Do I have a bad hard drive (apparently, I do...) - Why are there "No Errors Logged" by smartctl? -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 19:56:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC17106566B for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:56:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout030.mac.com (asmtpout030.mac.com [17.148.16.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630E78FC14 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:56:54 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LXC00CROCQLRS70@asmtp030.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:56:45 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-05_05:2012-01-05, 2012-01-05, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201050222 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:56:44 -0800 Message-id: <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> References: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> To: Janos Dohanics X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:56:54 -0000 On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Janos Dohanics wrote: > - Do I have a bad hard drive (apparently, I do...) > > - Why are there "No Errors Logged" by smartctl? You've probably got a bad sector on the drive, anyway. The SMART error log is a funny thing governed by various drive's firmware which have quirks. Some of 'em only have a self-test log, but don't store the error log at all; others will only record an error after they've given up trying to remap a failing sector. You snipped too much of the smartctl output to see what the "Error logging capability" section says-- the full output would be more informative. You almost certainly want to do a full read-scan of the drive via "dd if=/dev/ad4 of=/dev/null bs=64k", which will help the drive notice any other failing sectors. Repeat dd if it aborts early with an error (or add "conv=noerror", maybe). Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 20:31:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29DA1065670; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:31:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward20.mail.yandex.net (forward20.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1402::5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4703B8FC13; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp16.mail.yandex.net (smtp16.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.16]) by forward20.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id D1277104162D; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:31:22 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325795482; bh=SJtkssnu9jS3e3840UQHpwcjf72AwVpBYbPLevXBNKA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kzUELdt20w73GM3J2eJ6rHZb8WYW/XsfDGsWbOf5sOY7vDAyeBODPZYSb9L+YBase o1XmUhQQuO/L9iXpm5zek+2AT4aIKw91aGpkJEoVg5qsI7ZdgvFq+e2dsAhw8LN6v1 XLMtLGZImntj+jUEkDvNJ3Sc3XToUXKLgG0Awi9U= Received: from smtp16.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp16.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 78F446A0198; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:31:22 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325795482; bh=SJtkssnu9jS3e3840UQHpwcjf72AwVpBYbPLevXBNKA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kzUELdt20w73GM3J2eJ6rHZb8WYW/XsfDGsWbOf5sOY7vDAyeBODPZYSb9L+YBase o1XmUhQQuO/L9iXpm5zek+2AT4aIKw91aGpkJEoVg5qsI7ZdgvFq+e2dsAhw8LN6v1 XLMtLGZImntj+jUEkDvNJ3Sc3XToUXKLgG0Awi9U= Received: from unknown (unknown [77.93.52.22]) by smtp16.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id VLmaJZLG-VLmCLOf2; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:31:21 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 22:31:18 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1863129064.20120105223118@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <201112262154.pBQLsxJt038471@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <9110154891.20111226214424@yandex.ru> <201112262154.pBQLsxJt038471@mail.r-bonomi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re[8]: high load system do not take all CPU time X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:31:38 -0000 I get it!! When one of netisr take 100% of CPU other netisr threads did not get free CPU time. http://piccy.info/view3/2444937/25e978a34d1da6b62e4e4602dee53d8b/ In this case network works without any problem last pid: 23632; load averages: 5.53, 5.76, 5.72 up 6+00:09:50 20:37:43 292 processes: 12 running, 265 sleeping, 15 waiting CPU 0: 9.4% user, 0.0% nice, 18.4% system, 36.1% interrupt, 36.1% idle CPU 1: 2.4% user, 0.0% nice, 12.2% system, 62.4% interrupt, 23.1% idle CPU 2: 1.6% user, 0.0% nice, 4.3% system, 85.1% interrupt, 9.0% idle CPU 3: 1.6% user, 0.0% nice, 3.9% system, 86.3% interrupt, 8.2% idle Mem: 613M Active, 2788M Inact, 315M Wired, 122M Cache, 112M Buf, 59M Free Swap: 4096M Total, 30M Used, 4065M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 12 root -72 - 0K 160K CPU3 3 43.4H 100.00% {swi1: netisr 3} 12 root -72 - 0K 160K CPU2 2 28.6H 93.60% {swi1: netisr 1} 12 root -72 - 0K 160K CPU1 1 954:56 50.68% {swi1: netisr 2} 11 root 155 ki31 0K 32K RUN 0 96.7H 36.91% {idle: cpu0} 12 root -72 - 0K 160K RUN 0 757:29 31.10% {swi1: netisr 0} 11 root 155 ki31 0K 32K RUN 1 98.4H 21.44% {idle: cpu1} 12 root -92 - 0K 160K WAIT 0 17.8H 12.94% {irq256: re0} 11 root 155 ki31 0K 32K RUN 2 97.7H 11.08% {idle: cpu2} 11 root 155 ki31 0K 32K RUN 3 98.6H 10.16% {idle: cpu3} 13 root -16 - 0K 32K sleep 0 411:30 4.25% {ng_queue0} 13 root -16 - 0K 32K sleep 0 411:54 4.20% {ng_queue3} 13 root -16 - 0K 32K RUN 0 411:05 4.10% {ng_queue1} 13 root -16 - 0K 32K RUN 2 411:16 3.81% {ng_queue2} 5588 root 21 0 222M 106M select 0 116:59 0.93% {mpd5} 5588 root 21 0 222M 106M select 1 0:00 0.93% {mpd5} 5588 root 21 0 222M 106M select 3 0:00 0.83% {mpd5} 5588 root 21 0 222M 106M select 0 0:00 0.83% {mpd5} 5588 root 21 0 222M 106M select 3 0:00 0.83% {mpd5} 5588 root 21 0 222M 106M select 3 0:00 0.83% {mpd5} 5588 root 21 0 222M 106M select 3 0:00 0.83% {mpd5} 32882 root 21 0 15392K 5492K select 1 313:35 0.63% snmpd 5588 root 21 0 222M 106M select 3 0:00 0.54% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 0 222M 106M select 0 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 0 222M 106M select 2 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 0 222M 106M select 3 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} # netstat -W 1 re0 input (Total) output packets errs idrops bytes packets errs bytes colls 96245 0 0 65271414 115828 0 80031246 0 104903 0 0 70367758 121943 0 85634456 0 102693 0 0 69663018 118800 0 83847075 0 108654 0 0 73776089 125368 0 88487518 0 100216 0 0 68186983 118522 0 80985757 0 94819 0 0 63001720 107334 0 73020011 0 108428 0 0 73849974 127976 0 88674709 0 # vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq14: ata0 13841687 26 irq16: ehci0 782489 1 irq23: ehci1 1046847 2 cpu0:timer 2140530447 4122 irq256: re0 374422787 721 cpu1:timer 2132118859 4106 cpu3:timer 2108526888 4061 cpu2:timer 2131292574 4105 Total 8902562578 17147 1 users Load 5.87 5.62 5.65 Jan 5 20:41 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 737696 12284 3154940 38552 186192 count All 946508 19628 5403252 88672 pages Proc: Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 760 cow 38031 total 227 128k 7771 14k 21k 13k 3996 1624 zfod 18 ata0 14 189 ozfod 1 ehci0 16 7.8%Sys 68.3%Intr 4.2%User 0.0%Nice 19.7%Idle 11%ozfod 2 ehci1 23 | | | | | | | | | | | daefr 4123 cpu0:timer ====++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> 1439 prcfr 21603 re0 256 184 dtbuf 3275 totfr 4102 cpu1:timer Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 142271 desvn react 4083 cpu3:timer Calls hits % hits % 46214 numvn pdwak 4099 cpu2:timer 26140 24882 95 33321 frevn pdpgs intrn Disks ad0 da0 pass0 324800 wire KB/t 17.24 0.00 0.00 633588 act tps 18 0 0 2846896 inact MB/s 0.30 0.00 0.00 119168 cache %busy 1 0 0 67024 free 114976 buf in this situation of "100%" load I try to run iperf: [ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 288 MBytes 241 Mbits/sec 111903 0 0 74200867 126836 0 89449352 0 110664 0 0 74473447 128409 0 90114178 0 113265 0 0 67425404 127877 0 96282769 0 136307 0 0 69979865 147500 0 130264219 0 138705 0 0 68701690 154450 0 139226405 0 133391 0 0 66548136 147004 0 133131877 0 140963 0 0 66963418 156790 0 143433241 0 145366 0 0 68466136 159704 0 148596768 0 128926 0 0 59496288 142304 0 132538052 0 138049 0 0 62331085 149111 0 140148372 0 150960 0 0 67406436 161604 0 156142937 0 144312 0 0 62348179 160260 0 155727547 0 105767 0 0 60168774 121313 0 95353466 0 112040 0 0 75337443 135858 0 96321971 0 103266 0 0 69406528 123384 0 86397398 0 102423 0 0 69873997 121462 0 84718299 0 112413 0 0 75917095 133604 0 94757254 0 107780 0 0 72207347 126182 0 89811690 0 As you can see that, re0 have a reserve to serve more traffic! despite on reached "mistery limit" on graph. The reserve is about 20kpps and ~30MBytes/s When trying to connect to this vpnserver it says 'error 718:....' Does mpd5 have poor? performance now. last pid: 43807; load averages: 6.91, 5.84, 5.43 up 6+00:41:40 21:09:33 310 processes: 10 running, 281 sleeping, 18 waiting, 1 lock CPU 0: 31.0% user, 0.0% nice, 16.5% system, 45.5% interrupt, 7.1% idle CPU 1: 21.6% user, 0.0% nice, 7.5% system, 65.5% interrupt, 5.5% idle CPU 2: 15.3% user, 0.0% nice, 7.1% system, 71.8% interrupt, 5.9% idle CPU 3: 15.7% user, 0.0% nice, 4.7% system, 71.4% interrupt, 8.2% idle Mem: 543M Active, 2616M Inact, 318M Wired, 123M Cache, 112M Buf, 298M Free Swap: 4096M Total, 31M Used, 4064M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 12 root -72 - 0K 160K CPU0 0 43.8H 97.85% {swi1: netisr 3} 12 root -72 - 0K 160K *per-i 1 29.0H 87.01% {swi1: netisr 1} 42359 root 92 0 13704K 8356K CPU2 2 1:36 65.82% bzip2 12 root -72 - 0K 160K WAIT 3 969:10 37.79% {swi1: netisr 2} 12 root -72 - 0K 160K WAIT 2 767:04 32.71% {swi1: netisr 0} 12 root -92 - 0K 160K WAIT 0 17.9H 14.01% {irq256: re0} 11 root 155 ki31 0K 32K RUN 0 96.8H 8.59% {idle: cpu0} 11 root 155 ki31 0K 32K RUN 2 97.8H 7.23% {idle: cpu2} 11 root 155 ki31 0K 32K RUN 3 98.7H 7.18% {idle: cpu3} 11 root 155 ki31 0K 32K RUN 1 98.4H 7.03% {idle: cpu1} 13 root -16 - 0K 32K sleep 3 413:33 4.49% {ng_queue3} 13 root -16 - 0K 32K RUN 0 412:56 4.30% {ng_queue2} 13 root -16 - 0K 32K sleep 2 413:10 4.15% {ng_queue0} 13 root -16 - 0K 32K RUN 2 412:43 4.05% {ng_queue1} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 0 117:48 1.61% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 1.22% {mpd5} 32882 root 22 0 15392K 5492K select 3 314:39 1.12% snmpd 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 0 0:00 1.12% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 1.12% {mpd5} 5351 root 20 0 9616K 1224K select 0 35:12 0.24% syslogd 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 0 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 3 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 3 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 0 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 0 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 2 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 0 0:00 0.24% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 2 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 2 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 1 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 2 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 3 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 0 0:00 0.15% {mpd5} 12 root -60 - 0K 160K WAIT 1 108:19 0.10% {swi4: clock} 14567 root 20 0 9536K 736K nanslp 1 14:28 0.05% monitord 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 0 0:00 0.05% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 0 0:00 0.05% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 2 0:00 0.05% {mpd5} 5588 root 20 -20 222M 105M select 3 0:00 0.05% {mpd5} 43807 cacti 72 0 12000K 2900K CPU3 3 0:00 0.00% snmpget I also ran bzip2 to see 'does the remaining CPU utilised?' http://piccy.info/view3/2445242/802b93a3db1055a20a98aed7e61dfc9a/ Yes it is utilized. We see many mpd5 threads. but mpd5 log says (only suspicious messages): Jan 5 21:00:01 flux mpd: [L98] RADIUS: rad_send_request for user '10153' failed: No valid RADIUS responses received Jan 5 21:00:01 flux mpd: [L98] ACCT: Thread finished normally Jan 5 21:00:01 flux mpd: [L194] RADIUS: Sending request for user 'aviator' Jan 5 21:00:01 flux mpd: [L194] RADIUS: rad_send_request for user 'aviator' failed: No valid RADIUS responses received Jan 5 21:00:01 flux mpd: [L194] ACCT: Thread finished normally Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_READ LinkNgDataEvent() done Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing timer "FsmKeepAlive" FsmEchoTimeout() Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing timer "FsmKeepAlive" FsmEchoTimeout() done Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing timer "FsmKeepAlive" FsmEchoTimeout() Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing timer "FsmKeepAlive" FsmEchoTimeout() done Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done Jan 5 21:01:01 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: [L36] LCP: phase shift TERMINATE --> ESTABLISH Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Stopping timer "LCP" FsmTimeout() at fsm.c:190 Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: [L36] LCP: LayerFinish Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Stopping timer "AuthTimer" AuthTimeout() at auth.c:682 Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Stopping timer "(null)" (null)() at pap.c:64 Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Stopping timer "ChalTimer" ChapChalTimeout() at chap.c:93 Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Stopping timer "(null)" (null)() at chap.c:94 Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Stopping timer "(null)" (null)() at eap.c:146 Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Stopping timer "(null)" (null)() at eap.c:147 Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Message 2 to PhysMsg() sent Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing timer "LCP" FsmTimeout() done Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_TIMEOUT TimerExpires() done Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Processing event EVENT_READ MsgEvent() Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Message 2 to PhysMsg() received Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: [L36] device: CLOSE event Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: pptp38-0: clearing call Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: pptp38: send CallDiscNotify msg Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: len=0x94 msgType=1 magic=0x1a2b3c4d type=13 Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: cid=0xdecd result=3 err=0 cause=0 stats="" Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: pptp38: wrote 148 bytes ctrl data Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: 00 94 00 01 1a 2b 3c 4d 00 0d 00 00 de cd 03 00 .....+ Closed Jan 5 21:01:44 flux mpd: EVENT: Stopping timer "LCP" FsmTimeout() at fsm.c:190 #top last pid: 45804; load averages: 6.66, 6.35, 5.74 up 6+00:44:49 21:12:42 241 processes: 2 running, 239 sleeping CPU: 17.0% user, 0.0% nice, 7.3% system, 62.9% interrupt, 12.9% idle Mem: 537M Active, 2679M Inact, 320M Wired, 117M Cache, 112M Buf, 246M Free Swap: 4096M Total, 31M Used, 4064M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 42359 root 1 91 0 13704K 8356K RUN 3 3:32 62.21% bzip2 5588 root 52 20 -20 222M 106M select 0 117:53 28.61% mpd5 3641 root 1 26 0 10460K 3996K select 0 116:52 2.10% zebra 32882 root 1 21 0 15392K 5492K select 2 314:46 1.42% snmpd 14567 root 1 20 0 9536K 736K nanslp 0 14:29 0.15% monitord 45792 cacti 1 27 0 12000K 3096K select 0 0:00 0.15% snmpwalk 34587 freeradius 2 52 -20 23652K 16420K usem 0 0:12 0.10% radiusd 45730 cacti 1 20 0 12000K 3096K select 2 0:00 0.10% snmpwalk 5455 bind 7 20 0 136M 104M kqread 2 56:12 0.00% named 5351 root 1 20 0 9616K 1224K select 2 35:13 0.00% syslogd 10440 dhcpd 1 20 0 15032K 5300K select 0 4:37 0.00% dhcpd 17155 firebird 8 20 -10 88652K 24128K usem 2 4:01 0.00% fb_smp_server 3647 root 1 20 0 14660K 5196K select 2 1:57 0.00% bgpd 15683 mysql 34 20 0 407M 280M sbwait 0 1:24 0.00% mysqld 13446 postfix 1 20 0 11876K 948K kqread 2 0:12 0.00% qmgr 26875 root 1 20 0 33812K 11212K select 1 0:12 0.00% httpd 13336 root 1 20 0 11876K 664K kqread 2 0:06 0.00% master 29201 root 1 20 0 13068K 3012K select 2 0:05 0.00% sshd 15176 vmail 1 20 0 11324K 1492K kqread 0 0:04 0.00% auth 29733 root 1 22 0 9648K 544K nanslp 2 0:02 0.00% cron 11459 root 1 20 0 11136K 936K kqread 2 0:02 0.00% log 64159 postfix 1 20 0 11876K 692K kqread 0 0:02 0.00% anvil 33804 www 1 20 0 42004K 24028K lockf 2 0:01 0.00% httpd 11454 root 1 20 0 11136K 932K kqread 0 0:01 0.00% dovecot 35662 root 1 20 0 13236K 3928K select 0 0:01 0.00% mc 37631 www 1 20 0 37908K 19780K lockf 0 0:01 0.00% httpd 36086 www 1 20 0 37908K 20120K lockf 2 0:01 0.00% httpd 42143 www 1 20 0 37908K 20396K lockf 0 0:01 0.00% httpd here suspicious is state for fb_smp_server and radiusd 'usem' (use semaphores??) I restart 'radiusd' with no debug mode. Active semaphores are rised for firebird from 5 to 13 mpd (radiusd?) start to process auth and acct messages http://piccy.info/view3/2445292/150cf955f2903404dd8a3751de7f2dd1/ slow but it do that! # ipcs -s Semaphores: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP s 131072 4396057 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 458753 21173263 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 327682 37950480 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 262147 54727696 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 131076 71504912 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 131077 88282128 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 65542 105059344 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 65543 121836560 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 65544 138613776 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 65545 155390992 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 65546 172168208 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 65547 188945424 --rw-r----- firebird firebird s 65548 205722640 --rw-r----- firebird firebird -T Display system information about shared memory, message queues and semaphores. # ipcs -T msginfo: msgmax: 16384 (max characters in a message) msgmni: 40 (# of message queues) msgmnb: 2048 (max characters in a message queue) msgtql: 40 (max # of messages in system) msgssz: 8 (size of a message segment) msgseg: 2048 (# of message segments in system) shminfo: shmmax: 134217728 (max shared memory segment size) shmmin: 1 (min shared memory segment size) shmmni: 192 (max number of shared memory identifiers) shmseg: 128 (max shared memory segments per process) shmall: 32768 (max amount of shared memory in pages) seminfo: semmap: 256 (# of entries in semaphore map) semmni: 256 (# of semaphore identifiers) semmns: 512 (# of semaphores in system) semmnu: 256 (# of undo structures in system) semmsl: 340 (max # of semaphores per id) semopm: 100 (max # of operations per semop call) semume: 50 (max # of undo entries per process) semusz: 616 (size in bytes of undo structure) semvmx: 32767 (semaphore maximum value) semaem: 16384 (adjust on exit max value) # sysctl -a kern.ipc kern.ipc.maxsockbuf: 16777216 kern.ipc.sockbuf_waste_factor: 8 kern.ipc.somaxconn: 32768 kern.ipc.max_linkhdr: 16 kern.ipc.max_protohdr: 60 kern.ipc.max_hdr: 76 kern.ipc.max_datalen: 124 kern.ipc.nmbjumbo16: 3200 kern.ipc.nmbjumbo9: 6400 kern.ipc.nmbjumbop: 12800 kern.ipc.nmbclusters: 262144 kern.ipc.piperesizeallowed: 1 kern.ipc.piperesizefail: 0 kern.ipc.pipeallocfail: 0 kern.ipc.pipefragretry: 0 kern.ipc.pipekva: 2097152 kern.ipc.maxpipekva: 16810176 kern.ipc.msgseg: 2048 kern.ipc.msgssz: 8 kern.ipc.msgtql: 40 kern.ipc.msgmnb: 2048 kern.ipc.msgmni: 40 kern.ipc.msgmax: 16384 kern.ipc.semaem: 16384 kern.ipc.semvmx: 32767 kern.ipc.semusz: 616 kern.ipc.semume: 50 kern.ipc.semopm: 100 kern.ipc.semmsl: 340 kern.ipc.semmnu: 256 kern.ipc.semmns: 512 kern.ipc.semmni: 256 kern.ipc.semmap: 256 kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed: 0 kern.ipc.shm_use_phys: 0 kern.ipc.shmall: 32768 kern.ipc.shmseg: 128 kern.ipc.shmmni: 192 kern.ipc.shmmin: 1 kern.ipc.shmmax: 134217728 kern.ipc.maxsockets: 204800 kern.ipc.numopensockets: 1150 kern.ipc.nsfbufsused: 1 kern.ipc.nsfbufspeak: 80 kern.ipc.nsfbufs: 6656 #sysctl -a net.graph net.graph.msg_version: 8 net.graph.abi_version: 12 net.graph.maxdata: 32768 net.graph.maxalloc: 32768 net.graph.threads: 4 net.graph.control.proto: 2 net.graph.data.proto: 1 net.graph.family: 32 net.graph.recvspace: 524288 net.graph.maxdgram: 262144 # vmstat -z|egrep 'ITEM|NetGraph' ITEM SIZE LIMIT USED FREE REQ FAIL SLEEP NetGraph items: 36, 32804, 71, 755,8711030020, 0, 0 NetGraph data items: 36, 32804, 0, 1003,16369746867, 0, 0 '# vmstat -z' there are FAIL only for 128 Bucket: 524, 0, 540, 223, 296830,75013, 0 Now (21hour 45min) state of system is: http://piccy.info/view3/2445350/6b7c5bfffc977ab5a1fe934172aa33fd/ as you can see now is *less* kernel interrupts on graph is *more* interrupts from re0 that (see below) is *more* pps on re0 interface (see below) as it were when this situation of overload have occurred!! So (maybe??) is this problem with no 're' interface??? #systat -v 2 users Load 6.01 5.75 5.72 Jan 5 21:46 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 961448 13896 3541824 41356 180912 count All 1247360 22052 5889300 103760 pages Proc: Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 713 cow 39492 total 7 1 236 166k 7248 45k 23k 20k 2994 1031 zfod 26 ata0 14 112 ozfod 2 ehci0 16 13.0%Sys 62.7%Intr 4.1%User 0.0%Nice 20.2%Idle 10%ozfod 2 ehci1 23 | | | | | | | | | | | daefr 4121 cpu0:timer ======++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++>> 1087 prcfr 23015 re0 256 111 dtbuf 3213 totfr 4110 cpu1:timer Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 142271 desvn react 4106 cpu3:timer Calls hits % hits % 47569 numvn pdwak 4110 cpu2:timer 18464 18449 100 34142 frevn pdpgs intrn Disks ad0 da0 pass0 330212 wire KB/t 44.00 0.00 0.00 748860 act tps 25 0 0 2731784 inact MB/s 1.08 0.00 0.00 159568 cache %busy 1 0 0 21024 free 114976 buf # netstat -W 1 re0 input (Total) output packets errs idrops bytes packets errs bytes colls 137567 0 0 97669861 156923 0 114329168 0 153711 0 0 108860571 178608 0 129023839 0 132672 0 0 92702405 159798 0 113270233 0 141540 0 0 99766858 169112 0 120816262 0 143670 0 0 101820412 173753 0 124918609 0 138409 0 0 97944357 162214 0 117144054 0 139900 0 0 99422132 163406 0 118104685 0 151955 0 0 108602727 180131 0 131715416 0 138995 0 0 99993704 167247 0 121914361 0 144477 0 0 104308909 171671 0 125640285 0 136133 0 0 95776095 163066 0 117071802 0 135196 0 0 95555349 163899 0 118434548 0 135067 0 0 96838717 163829 0 119398350 0 138786 0 0 100931422 162668 0 119753322 0 136027 0 0 95524321 162876 0 117032548 0 and now 22:00 (NOTICE: significant release of CPU utilisation) there is more less kernel interrupts! but no significant changes in traffic flow: same interrupts and same pps and same Mbp/s... http://piccy.info/view3/2445486/f3f0a124d8f080ddd181e5db8f24dd82/orig/ and vpn online users http://piccy.info/view3/2445500/b3812ae75e8dcf7c3778bf1330c055c2/ 2 users Load 3.89 4.67 5.04 Jan 5 22:03 Mem:KB REAL VIRTUAL VN PAGER SWAP PAGER Tot Share Tot Share Free in out in out Act 967716 14036 3339656 41580 227852 count 30 All 1245848 26492 5715024 119292 pages 31 Proc: Interrupts r p d s w Csw Trp Sys Int Sof Flt 1892 cow 38624 total 2 235 201k 5722 10k 22k 32k 4020 649 zfod 50 ata0 14 130 ozfod 1 ehci0 16 17.2%Sys 42.5%Intr 1.3%User 0.0%Nice 39.0%Idle 20%ozfod 3 ehci1 23 | | | | | | | | | | | daefr 4125 cpu0:timer =========+++++++++++++++++++++> 967 prcfr 22069 re0 256 152 dtbuf 5557 totfr 4125 cpu1:timer Namei Name-cache Dir-cache 142271 desvn react 4126 cpu3:timer Calls hits % hits % 47597 numvn pdwak 4125 cpu2:timer 3489 3483 100 34132 frevn pdpgs intrn Disks ad0 da0 pass0 304952 wire KB/t 16.74 0.00 0.00 688352 act tps 50 0 0 2770104 inact MB/s 0.82 0.00 0.00 111144 cache %busy 4 0 0 116904 free 114976 buf # netstat -W 1 re0 input (Total) output packets errs idrops bytes packets errs bytes colls 127166 0 0 88929973 143992 0 106883020 0 138535 0 0 98464838 158725 0 119737496 0 133694 0 0 95349794 157750 0 117821954 0 129177 0 0 90732865 146634 0 108781223 0 143138 0 0 101357842 162761 0 119955682 0 142492 0 0 102453893 166022 0 124863890 0 132476 0 0 93756889 149644 0 113221417 0 136080 0 0 96119177 154514 0 116135341 0 143103 0 0 100681447 160290 0 119572568 0 124777 0 0 86943492 140187 0 102704963 0 131743 0 0 92982527 152259 0 113233013 0 NOTICE again: pps and interrupts now more than were when overload have occured! I think this issue may be related to next subsystems: 1. netgraph 2. netisr # sysctl net.isr net.isr.numthreads: 4 net.isr.maxprot: 16 net.isr.defaultqlimit: 256 net.isr.maxqlimit: 10240 net.isr.bindthreads: 0 net.isr.maxthreads: 4 net.isr.direct: 0 net.isr.direct_force: 0 # uname -a FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #4: Fri Jun 10 01:30:12 UTC 2011 @:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PAE_KES i386 PS. While reading notice system time in output -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 21:09:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549E1106564A for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.piggybox@virgin.net) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D304B8FC13 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so994379wer.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.131.90 with SMTP id l68mr2111701wei.36.1325796209090; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em4sm65766580wbb.20.2012.01.05.12.43.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([81.105.208.67]) by smtp.virginmedia.com with SMTP; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:43:28 +0000 (GMT) X-ProxyUser-IP: 81.105.208.67 Received: from ideapad.piggybox (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ideapad.piggybox (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q05Lgdxk002907; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:42:39 GMT (envelope-from peter@ideapad.piggybox) Received: (from peter@localhost) by ideapad.piggybox (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q05LgcZC002906; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:42:38 GMT (envelope-from peter) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:42:38 +0000 From: Peter Harrison To: Da Rock Message-ID: <20120105214238.GA1478@ideapad.piggybox> Mail-Followup-To: Da Rock , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <904803AA-31CD-41EC-927A-51A9EB49DEB6@googlemail.com> <4F04DB08.8020100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F04DB08.8020100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:09:49 -0000 Thursday, 5 January 2012 at 9:04:40 +1000, Da Rock said: > On 01/05/12 07:01, Peter Harrison wrote: > >On 4 Jan 2012, at 01:08, Da Rock wrote: > > > >>On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > >>> > >>>On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: > >>> > >>>>On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: > >>>>>>>On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 > >>>>>>>Da Rock articulated: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the > >>>>>OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html > >>>>> > >>>>>or the man page for ndiscvt: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of > >>>>>an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose > >>>>>manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond > >>>>>licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the > >>>>>distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? > >>>>Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) > >>>At > >>> > >>> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB > >>> > >>>almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have > >>>found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card > >>>helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is > >>>easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. > >>Indeed :) > >> > >>I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own > >>experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than > >>satisfactory- the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just > >>been too stupid at the time :) > >>>I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether > >>>as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different > >>>needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a > >>>mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another > >>>person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that > >>>it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, > >>>but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or > >>>of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is > >>>little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice > >>>directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS > >>>wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, > >>>that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. > >>No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can > >>be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more > >>logical than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a > >>different card than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense > >>for emotional or financial reasons more than logical. > >> > >>Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS > >>helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), > >>and I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to > >>be applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put > >>forward the idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the > >>challenges :) Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since > >>to facilitate the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether > >>or not that had to do with my comments or not, I don't know). > >Da Rock, > > > >I've been using ndis drivers successfully with a Broadcom chip in my > >Lenovo s10-e since I bought it some years ago - to the extent that I've > >not yet switched over to the native drivers now available. > > > >I didn't find using ndisgen too problematic. Just a case of finding the > >right driver files and following the manpage. I'd strongly recommend > >trying it in preference to a usb stick (been there, done that) or buying > >new hardware - although I'd agree that depending on the model changing a > >mini-PCI card isn't necessarily that difficult (I changed it t an Intel > >card in my other Dell laptop some time ago - remember to attach the > >internal aerial cable!). > Make no mistake I'm not being facetious. How did you do it? > > The biggest problem I had was that there are multiple firmware for > different scenarios that are loaded. One for base station mode, one for > adhoc, and one more I think... They got in the way of using it correctly. Da Rock, The short answer is, I'm not honestly sure. It was a couple of years ago and it's given absolutely no trouble since - a genuine "fit and forget" solution. I remember it as being a question of finding and unpacking the right file then using the .sys and .inf files to create a kernel module using ndisgen. Don't recall having any problems with firmware. The only issue I recall was I think to do with converting the .inf file to unicode, but I might have mis-remembered that. Sorry I can't be more help. Peter Harrison. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 00:36:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE36C106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:36:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lordofhyphens@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AB38FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so2391089iad.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:36:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rEertdP6LeguaF4mBdeZTFoAhRqWMyZeeOHZ09gyz8o=; b=uSmyO9k5dxSMjNJAQzpAohZFA6JyWcT26us1/pPIvaOAWt7YSU3U09AK5D5BS/KxkX NBp99xAlhSpZ282INxANCX4kweaHydVifz+viyWuJeoGmAK2p+pcbjHPJIKdHODbs3Zz 2QOiste+nUUSEMMwiW5tVzjKMovyJ53GvGTZc= Received: by 10.50.180.138 with SMTP id do10mr5046125igc.20.1325808607917; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [131.230.191.154] (lenneth.engr.siu.edu. [131.230.191.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b20sm206982518ibj.7.2012.01.05.16.10.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:10:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F063BDC.4080801@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:10:04 -0600 From: Joseph Lenox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NFSv4 "stronger authentication required" error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 00:36:17 -0000 I've run into a strange problem while trying to mount from FreeBSD 9.0-RC3 to anything I can find using NFSv4. The command I'm using is: #mount -v gorkon:/dustbin /tmp/test This returns the following immediate information on a Debian 6 Linux box: mount: no type was given - I'll assume nfs because of the colon mount.nfs: timeout set for Thu Jan 5 17:37:40 2012 mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'vers=4,addr=[serverip],clientaddr=[cllientaddr]' mount.nfs: mount(2): Permission denied mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting gorkon:/dustbin There's no log entry that I can find on the server (gorkon), and the following log entry is in my syslog for the debian box: [30082.224612] RPC: server gorkon requires stronger authentication. The NFS server has nfsuserd running, rpcbind running. I've tried to set the share in /etc/exports to use sec=sys (and connect the same way). I don't have Kerberos set up on this network, and I'm not about to start. The Debian NFSv4 servers do connect to a Solaris 10 NFSv4 server, and the FreeBSD box can't mount its own shares over NFS if I force use of nfsv4 (error is mount_nfs: /tmp/test, : Permission denied). A FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE box won't mount either, same error. The Solaris 10 box also cannot mount the FreeBSD box's mount. The error for this machine is : genunix: [ID 664466 kern.notice] NFS compound failed for server gorkon: error 7 genunix: [ID 532867 kern.warning] WARNING: NFS server initial call to gorkon failed: permission denied. NFSv3 mounts work fine. Anyone know what's going on? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 02:09:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27122106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:09:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc2.surewest.net (rc2.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40D28FC12 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc2.surewest.net ({1b970212-ad71-403b-a2dd-d897d2565e71}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120106015243797 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 01:52:43 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp3.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DF089745 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 531939BF2B for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [159.145.2.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3337A165710 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:52:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1325814762; bh=DkaPRl/5UpbXKG32FH6uy6eaWf2Drux6BolLhSOISZ4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mcd2g+cNxoAuBTUDFb5uLq4fZiLxetSujaPEjuNXHNCAaeN6CnudNy/lQdkuG+3nf TF495bwCopeXGxvJo+lLnuiWwzgCWFbuybHeTwi0EMOAU1Mrkt2RkK4P89qEV8Hm0r Q+/3VwzZ26SsfSwj8nfiI/r/yjH1vwWGO4D+1xlI= Message-ID: <4F0653F1.6000203@mykitchentable.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:52:49 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: ISC-DHCP Web GUIs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:09:18 -0000 I'm looking for a tool to allow junior admins to lookup and manage an ISC-DHCP server via a web interface. Any recommendations? Basically, they should be able to view lease information, create scopes, make reservations, etc. Thanks, Drew From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 02:44:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8418106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:44:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9C18FC12 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so1276604wgb.31 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:44:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1plgfYx+mbYU5PS6xOBrSmrmsIQhewUqMdrm1Mm0LMs=; b=eX8ukNbm4Cws5YzLsmm2Jp1nFfhluPEfey+f0ky93rsWAmA6c/L1hh9a3pZPoYmj5C /tsjJPPyb27dZs0IAkmYgeDbfA5hxTnYNJGhGIeZDgfVdnWMftPNB6IFI5JkCPSpzpTx +/T0NEMRj8sd1WcqME8YSTF57ekNFykaotoXA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.96.72 with SMTP id dq8mr8365095wib.10.1325816286652; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:18:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.157.198 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:18:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F0653F1.6000203@mykitchentable.net> References: <4F0653F1.6000203@mykitchentable.net> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:18:06 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Drew Tomlinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISC-DHCP Web GUIs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:44:52 -0000 On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I'm looking for a tool to allow junior admins to lookup and manage an > ISC-DHCP server via a web interface. Any recommendations? Basically, they > should be able to view lease information, create scopes, make reservations, > etc. > I used to use sysutils/webmin for that. Not sure anymore what all features it has on DHCP, but if nothing else you can use it to edit config files from a browser. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 03:12:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BA7106566C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51318FC15 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id q063CuTW063790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id q063Cu0s063788; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:12:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA04830; Thu, 5 Jan 12 19:11:03 PST Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:10:49 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: noc@hdk5.net Message-Id: <4f06c8a9.AG2UYADRzgNLD2qz%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <4F0520A2.8040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F0530ED.5030004@mykitchentable.net> <4F05FA8D.4080304@hdk5.net> In-Reply-To: <4F05FA8D.4080304@hdk5.net> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: drew@mykitchentable.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rocky@herveybayaustralia.com.au Subject: Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:12:58 -0000 Al Plant wrote: > I accessed the sshd from the new install screen as an option when > I loaded it on the test box. I had to set up the lan manually to > first get it up. Then you should be able to use ssh. I take it you either arranged for ssh to accept a direct root login, or added a non-root username. Does the new installer do one of these automatically, or is there more manual configuration involved? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 03:29:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A5D1065670 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:29:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC0CA8FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.188] by nm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2012 03:16:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.174] by tm1.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2012 03:16:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2012 03:16:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 148260.27940.bm@omp1057.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 87887 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2012 03:16:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1325819792; bh=+kALH2vAAmaKECHUotTMdSoHU8p5dtLwo9vCNaKADOc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HBNRrQYZLhRf4KNRQXvVe3ewBfwhEB8D/G/TQJP3AAUG0J3IGERZSPEsFNQjicf5Dw4xCW1/3XJtnlxCKZEOamoT1lKGYj6hJQNLtFLFRUJKfAibprM6VjJhnfYZkV2aEeTwr2qrndD/qkVJb7suyMWjcEkKHttidwK9TI7R+M4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BawtZrL/sYqAq5+BJJSsChRCOwLs3RfeurAPwWMsPC8L+6z1/OV7nG2l8XbIMhUieTB3NaV+Srb3M9vXtXDmLkzRY81MTpfYoXd3xmlDW2jHFQnJf1BYACgirGb4kfILB9i/ZYgA06LAD0W1xBq3OjbfpGrK6abaDZT+iIE0ym4=; X-YMail-OSG: lWa7r5wVM1kKLQSNW8l_scg70wpqHcUcxY9Bu2bFz3oYoQl .aUbrXC2pMWCvT8q1J9ihOG5ViB4mo8OuN7OPzjquPBbydl_ZIux7cDwi8KL Q49iabXYExwuY1LLzgmvuTfawmYuvzzJfXzrFin9cK_INbWsrdd6x0UFohvZ YQHWKB.ePWICBmqJh32zjJLW8CfiBQyiEjvy7vVQTqgrZcPWdYrnnjZyUYAr 0HQxHqa8n8FYvm9DXyqmaEB1Jc0w_rFGKCwborSa1tEFMn5JuMEY2OG.W7nF teLIIKDvNqfMO1oo3w8HOjkxwcekMqz4lVyjW4Ir1DwfZcR_OK7uZ5SMS6FI B42t7iln2NI5EjNuYSqOKXF45klfgp2LEz3HiegHYbStDayt8VyTfxrs_WpI eX.VRqtGFTmSflKwxRQVvwfdaOeQk_udIvDNqXBgt5e6R1sMCQ5xp4QzQ95d oxzY.GSQ_ Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:16:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> Message-ID: <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:16:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:29:37 -0000 Today I encountered a problem which has me stumped. I downloaded and=0Aburn= ed the ISO image for 9.0-RELEASE for amd64. I=A0 installed an older=0AIDE h= ard drive to test the new OS with and did the install. I was very=0Asurpris= ed at the (1) the dvd is actually a live CD if you wanted it to be=0Aand (2= ) the installers screens have all been revamped. I can't say for sure=0Aif = the partitioning part was where it went south on me because I was=0Aattempt= ing to setup some additional partitions but the input screens had=0Ame conf= used and I pressed Auto so it took off and made the default=0Aparitions. I = thought cool, I'll let the install finish and check things out then=0Areins= tall later with the partition setup I wanted. Well the install finished and= =0Athen I attempted to reboot the system but nothing happened. And by that = I=0Amean the computer's flash screen would come up and give me the choice= =0Ato enter the Bios Setup or Boot Menu and that's all. I could not enter t= he=0Abios setup or the Boot menu. The keyboard was still responding as I=0A= could press the CapLock key and toggle the light on and off, but outside=0A= of that the computer would not boot. On the advice of some of the techs=0Ai= n #FreeBSD channel I=A0moved the drive over to another computer which=0Awas= working fine, and the same thing happened. The computer would=0Astart up, = show me the flash screen to do the Bios setup and then nothing.=0AI put the= other drive back in and it worked fine. I tried another computer=0Aand the= results were the same. Now it gets really wierd. I thought that I=0Acould = just make this IDE drive a slave and boot with another drive and=0Acleanup = the mess. But no matter which computer I chose, and no matter=0Ahow I setup= the Slave/Master drive, as long as this drive which I had=0Ainstalled Free= BSD-9.0-amd64 was in the loop, the computer would=0Alockup at the bios scre= en. I could not get anything to boot if this drive=0Awas in the loop. If I = removed it everything was fine. So basically,=0AFreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE bricked= an otherwise good 80GB hard drive=0Aand I can't seem to recover it.=0A=A0= =0AAny suggestions would be appreciated.=A0=A0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 03:56:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FAC106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977C58FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa04 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa04.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q063P2fc012028; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:56:40 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa04.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 125nhsrp6b-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:56:40 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.104] (10.14.152.28) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:56:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Devin Teske In-Reply-To: <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:56:37 -0800 Message-ID: References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Bill Tillman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.28] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-05_05:2012-01-05, 2012-01-05, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:56:41 -0000 On Jan 5, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Bill Tillman wrote: > Today I encountered a problem which has me stumped. I downloaded and > burned the ISO image for 9.0-RELEASE for amd64. I installed an older > IDE hard drive to test the new OS with and did the install. I was very > surprised at the (1) the dvd is actually a live CD if you wanted it to be > and (2) the installers screens have all been revamped. I can't say for su= re > if the partitioning part was where it went south on me because I was > attempting to setup some additional partitions but the input screens had > me confused and I pressed Auto so it took off and made the default > paritions. I thought cool, I'll let the install finish and check things o= ut then > reinstall later with the partition setup I wanted. Well the install finis= hed and > then I attempted to reboot the system but nothing happened. And by that I > mean the computer's flash screen would come up and give me the choice > to enter the Bios Setup or Boot Menu and that's all. I could not enter the > bios setup or the Boot menu. The keyboard was still responding as I > could press the CapLock key and toggle the light on and off, but outside > of that the computer would not boot. On the advice of some of the techs > in #FreeBSD channel I moved the drive over to another computer which > was working fine, and the same thing happened. The computer would > start up, show me the flash screen to do the Bios setup and then nothing. > I put the other drive back in and it worked fine. I tried another computer > and the results were the same. Now it gets really wierd. I thought that I > could just make this IDE drive a slave and boot with another drive and > cleanup the mess. But no matter which computer I chose, and no matter > how I setup the Slave/Master drive, as long as this drive which I had > installed FreeBSD-9.0-amd64 was in the loop, the computer would > lockup at the bios screen. I could not get anything to boot if this drive > was in the loop. If I removed it everything was fine. So basically, > FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE bricked an otherwise good 80GB hard drive > and I can't seem to recover it. >=20=20 > Any suggestions would be appreciated.=20=20=20 Can you get into the BIOS of the original machine *while the bad drive is d= isconnected* ? If so, I'd try changing the boot options in the BIOS to boot from something= like external USB but not from IDE. You'll want to find settings that are geared towards totally eliminating th= e possibility that the BIOS will scan the drive as a boot device. Depending on your BIOS settings, this may involve changing the "Boot Order"= to not include IDE (or ATA), or if you find it as a numbered boot device, = disabling that numbered device (e.g. you see "Boot Device 2" and it says "I= DE", see if it offers "Disabled" as an option). If you can successfully change your boot options in the BIOS to not scan th= e IDE channels, ... remember, the drive is still not connected at this poin= t ... then you should be able to connect the drive and get the same result = -- the BIOS will tell you there's no bootable devices attached (as you've, = hopefully, been able to disable that source of devices from the list of tho= se probed/scanned). At this point, you now need to find something other than IDE to boot from (= as you've now disabled that type of device -- including CD/ROM). Hopefully your system is new enough to boot from USB media. Grab DruidBSD Tools disk on another (working) machine ... http://sourceforge.net/projects/druidbsd/files/Druid-0.0.iso/download Descriptions here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/druidbsd/files/ Get yourself a USB thumb drive. NOTE: Say goodbye to what's currently on your thumb drive -- make backups t= o another machine before you do this. 1. Execute before you attach your thumb drive: sysctl kern.disks 2. Insert thumb drive 3. Execute after you've attached the thumb drive: sysctl kern.disks 4. Identify the newly-available "da#" device 5. Execute (replacing "da#" with the appropriate device name) as root (or s= udo(8)): dd if=3DDruid-0.0.iso of=3D/dev/da# bs=3D512k conv=3Dsync HINT: You can press Ctrl-T while it's writing the ISO file to the thumb dri= ve to get a (somewhat) helpful progress indication. When finished, you can use your USB thumb drive to do all sorts of rescue-w= ork, including wiping the bad drive with Darik's Boot and Nuke (lol) -- use= d for secure government wipes -- or Active (R) Kill Disk Free Edition, both= on the disk linked-to above. There's also Seagate Disk Utilities, which so= me of our field engineers found useful (I think it-too has a disk-wiper). --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 05:12:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F221E1065672 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 05:12:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06808FC16 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 05:12:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id q065CeIv068696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id q065CeLU068695; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA05125; Thu, 5 Jan 12 21:09:50 PST Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:09:35 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: btillman99@yahoo.com Message-Id: <4f06e47f.QF6Gxpsj/Dl6yEXA%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 05:12:41 -0000 Bill Tillman wrote: > ... no matter which computer I chose, and no matter how I setup > the Slave/Master drive, as long as this drive which I had > installed FreeBSD-9.0-amd64 was in the loop, the computer would > lockup at the bios screen. I could not get anything to boot if > this drive was in the loop. If you have an oldish machine with a spare PCI slot, you could try plugging in a PCI-IDE controller card and connect the drive to that. Many of the older BIOS won't look for drives on add-in controllers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 06:52:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D201106567D for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 06:52:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB998FC1A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 06:52:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:52:52 +0100 Message-ID: <4F069A44.7020600@ose.nl> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:52:52 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111220 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:52:55 -0000 On 01/05/2012 08:56 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Janos Dohanics wrote: >> - Do I have a bad hard drive (apparently, I do...) >> >> - Why are there "No Errors Logged" by smartctl? > You've probably got a bad sector on the drive, anyway. > > The SMART error log is a funny thing governed by various drive's firmware which have quirks. Some of 'em only have a self-test log, but don't store the error log at all; others will only record an error after they've given up trying to remap a failing sector. You snipped too much of the smartctl output to see what the "Error logging capability" section says-- the full output would be more informative. > > You almost certainly want to do a full read-scan of the drive via "dd if=/dev/ad4 of=/dev/null bs=64k", which will help the drive notice any other failing sectors. Repeat dd if it aborts early with an error (or add "conv=noerror", maybe). > > Regards, Hi, I have had this with a drive and multiple read errors would not remap the sector. With write errors the sector would be remapped. This was a new Samsung laptop drive though, not a Western Digital. To get the sector remapped I had to fully write the drive and it was ok after that. For now no bad sectors have been showing up Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 08:29:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18591065670 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:29:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36378FC0A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (pool-96-236-174-150.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [96.236.174.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98145E813E; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fracasso.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D3A485C2A; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:29:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:29:09 -0500 From: Janos Dohanics To: William Brown Message-Id: <20120106032909.06f6dc15.web@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <5C4554AE-E967-48AF-9969-A6B6F66BBA66@adelaide.edu.au> References: <20120104043158.1982a008.web@3dresearch.com> <5C4554AE-E967-48AF-9969-A6B6F66BBA66@adelaide.edu.au> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Cannot create 2nd gmirror X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:29:37 -0000 On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:55:50 +1030 William Brown wrote: > > > > I am trying to add a second gmirror, gm1: > > > > # sysctl kern.geom.debugflags=16 > > kern.geom.debugflags: 16 -> 16 > > > > # gmirror label -v -b round-robin gm1 /dev/ad4 > > Metadata value stored on /dev/ad4. > > Done. > > > > # gmirror insert gm1 /dev/ad6 > > gmirror: No such device: gm1. > > > > Why does gm1 fail to be created? > > > > What is the output of gmirror list after you run the gmirror label? > > Alternately, according to > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=gmirror&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+6.1-RELEASE&format=html > you should be able to just run > > gmirror label -v -b round-robin gm1 /dev/ad4 /dev/ad6 > gmirror rebuild gm1 /dev/ad6 > > > Sincerely, > > William Brown > > Research & Teaching, Technology Services > The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 gmirror list only showed gm0; it did did not show gm1, nor were there any gm1* entries in /dev/mirror. However, as soon as I have unmounted /dev/ad4s1d, /dev/ad4s1e, and /dev/ad4s1f, gm1 was "automagically" created: Jan 4 20:21:27 <0.2> isolde kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device mirror/gm1 launched (1/1). Jan 4 20:21:27 <0.2> isolde kernel: GEOM: mirror/gm1s1: geometry does not match label (16h,63s != 255h,63s). Jan 4 21:22:32 <0.2> isolde kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device gm1: rebuilding provider ad6. Don't quite understand why creating gm1 happened only after unmounting the filesystems on ad4. -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 10:09:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F239B106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:09:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B798FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwd18 with SMTP id wd18so2344638obb.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:09:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vT/Cuvq3MnUfTUyufh97ligZcbOt7xrz3wdyAxci5zg=; b=fj493BNomPJRl69+TLEVMIRiWs+hA7YCoFtUJCvLTRyZTvA49wS/5WpBpVpFverMzl 9yqQGQ1Vud3c9OWCbVWmKrc45dGinaG+gmIPLknLbzG0MC4Q9PvI9sX1qiDHASdxaDdc vyx+sioFfFC9C0/KFFnEa/6bLbi6Ih+oT9hWQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.184.166 with SMTP id ev6mr6744677igc.2.1325844576139; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.31.65 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:09:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:09:36 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: Bill Tillman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:09:37 -0000 On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Bill Tillman wrote: > Today I encountered a problem which has me stumped. I downloaded and > burned the ISO image for 9.0-RELEASE for amd64. I installed an older > IDE hard drive to test the new OS with and did the install. ... > Well the install finished and > then I attempted to reboot the system but nothing happened. And by that I > mean the computer's flash screen would come up and give me the choice > to enter the Bios Setup or Boot Menu and that's all. I could not enter the > bios setup or the Boot menu. ... > So basically, > FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE bricked an otherwise good 80GB hard drive > and I can't seem to recover it. > > > Hi Bill, What was going on with this drive before the install? ie, it was sitting on the self not being used, it was a daily use machine running something else, ... etc. At the moment it sounds to me like an inconvenient hardware failure. 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[212.66.125.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eu3sm37910240wib.6.2012.01.06.02.47.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:47:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:43:13 +0100 From: Alessandro Baggi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110323 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:19:09 -0000 Hi list, i've a problem running freebsd as a guest on linux+kvm. The only problem is that sometimes, when I boot the system it dies and this happens also if I run the vm with and without -nographic option. Using the qemu GUI I can see the it stops on the boot loader menu after the countdown and the only mode to resume the system is reboot the vm. I've reduced the autoboot delay to 1 without no result. Someone know something about this problem? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 11:21:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266F4106566C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD19A8FC16 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm39.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2012 11:21:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.194] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2012 11:21:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2012 11:21:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 951299.73555.bm@omp1003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 87374 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2012 11:21:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1325848889; bh=+MAyZf82LjsW1AvjHYXY6vZkEKqwgp1pfaJd6zHIGdw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TiXZoCvQXD8H/YKaISXimSD1UaGLnwYJxIFR1gn63mwTfZwsQW0p8Z9rCxBvUVaiHG/iLCY72hwEnt4jtFoc+xqpub5EbY9aFd9YjTfvAhxQoxEry0FyiuIjjgTf1y2BSDKrAI0RNW/LfuZM1aeDcxVaL0S1jqroDe8vQT48lmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EgUyVZwo4I39hl352exrhtQ1yQSs9ARadozkiulL+6rn66ghRv8o69vdprver3/hLLObqSbmgS2nu4BUY0KvBiCNcER+ZTMuzgj22hD/EyHwecfanDkmvB2VSApBPZijSVytdGP8j+poJQPqyLlOl8zpAf5kC9fJqDX7R4Cj1rs=; X-YMail-OSG: Du1..QsVM1kyA6tSNlJvQo_eAZz8HEcwAfGyH4vN57.AHuY fwk0z.iGBkI4YtLcXnNzsgbPuHYB7ubraOR4Vr9gLlwl_xSaX_J8df11ESt7 ZK.G5we2iYM0TcPnkHALNY88RUXNPPgkksu1JulEZibC_TUGnKagxFsnVjRr EwamuWiSI5iiqZ81VGOdTRyxMiMtG7lIRn.eylaEPrDUYIX_WMhwJYQc05bK n_EmqXHOkHQ7xSE3IiVNq2XzSBhF6SeCFVLAl483lyRtRPZda7VK3qjr46i1 zo2gQV3LIGu4ucDZuyJSiRL7HxZ35YTAuQOcGxdZH54ZXwAvMT6prDPATBp4 jDUqrjUYcAG.KPINL_j04cJDqXJVZpE4kO7NrXyzLjH83FNV5nWFeS2JvO9H yCLMHdhtcrRLw17kT84cz6vhjSC8cjEYNABwnC_tKDAm7gtpplshpKUmEJM7 2Q.MCc1JT Received: from [98.203.44.66] by web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:21:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1325848888.86578.YahooMailNeo@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:21:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Tillman To: FreeBSD Questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Tillman List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:21:31 -0000 =0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: Waitman Gobble =0ATo: Bill Tillman =0ACc: FreeBSD= Questions =0ASent: Friday, January 6, 2012= 5:09 AM=0ASubject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive=0A=0A=0AOn = Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Bill Tillman wrote:=0A= =0A> Today I encountered a problem which has me stumped. I downloaded and= =0A> burned the ISO image for 9.0-RELEASE for amd64. I=A0 installed an olde= r=0A> IDE hard drive to test the new OS with and did the install.=0A=0A...= =0A=0A> Well the install finished and=0A> then I attempted to reboot the sy= stem but nothing happened. And by that I=0A> mean the computer's flash scre= en would come up and give me the choice=0A> to enter the Bios Setup or Boot= Menu and that's all. I could not enter the=0A> bios setup or the Boot menu= .=0A=0A...=0A=0A> So basically,=0A> FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE bricked an otherwis= e good 80GB hard drive=0A> and I can't seem to recover it.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0AHi= Bill,=0A=0AWhat was going on with this drive before the install?=A0 ie, it= was sitting=0Aon the self not being used, it was a daily use machine runni= ng something=0Aelse, ... etc.=0AAt the moment it sounds to me like an incon= venient hardware failure.=0A=0AWaitman=0A__________________________________= _____________=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.f= reebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any ma= il to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0AI had been running a= similar computer with Windows XP with it. The =0Adrive was working fine a = few moments before I did the install. I have=0Aa utility to test=A0hard dri= ves which boots from CD but like I said, when=0Athis drive is on a cable co= nnected to any machine, booting is a =0Anon-option. I have an old IDE contr= oller=A0but it's ISA=A0and I have=0Anot ISA slots on this computer.=A0Looks= like I may have to try the USB=0Adrive boot option to get on with this res= cue. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 11:50:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32750106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24D08FC17 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so1519967wib.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.101.3 with SMTP id fc3mr6588684wib.22.1325850645165; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o41sm28867886wba.19.2012.01.06.03.50.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 03:50:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 12:50:41 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:50:47 -0000 On 1/6/12 11:43 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Hi list, > i've a problem running freebsd as a guest on linux+kvm. The only problem > is that sometimes, when I boot the system it dies and this happens also > if I run the vm with and without -nographic option. Using the qemu GUI I > can see the it stops on the boot loader menu after the countdown and the > only mode to resume the system is reboot the vm. I've reduced the > autoboot delay to 1 without no result. > > > Someone know something about this problem? > > Thanks in advance. > Hi, This is exactly how to *not* ask a question. Please take the time to read this very informative article: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise For instance, you've omitted important information such as: - linux version - qemu version - freebsd version - freebsd error message when "it dies", if any - KVM configuration options (disk mode and such) We've been running FreeBSD 7 then 8 as a guest in Debian linux/KVM for over 3 years now for our pre-production environment and are very happy with it. Please post some more details, that we might be able to actually help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 13:34:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462331065680 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:34:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA5D8FC18 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94FBF5C21 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 23:47:11 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F06F7A0.2080605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:31:12 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <904803AA-31CD-41EC-927A-51A9EB49DEB6@googlemail.com> <4F04DB08.8020100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120105214238.GA1478@ideapad.piggybox> In-Reply-To: <20120105214238.GA1478@ideapad.piggybox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 13:34:44 -0000 On 01/06/12 07:42, Peter Harrison wrote: > Thursday, 5 January 2012 at 9:04:40 +1000, Da Rock said: >> On 01/05/12 07:01, Peter Harrison wrote: >>> On 4 Jan 2012, at 01:08, Da Rock wrote: >>> >>>> On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>>>>>>>> Da Rock articulated: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>>>>>> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the >>>>>>> OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or the man page for ndiscvt: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of >>>>>>> an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose >>>>>>> manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond >>>>>>> licensing issues preventing such drivers from being included in the >>>>>>> distribution, or made downloadable in FreeBSD form? >>>>>> Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) >>>>> At >>>>> >>>>> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB >>>>> >>>>> almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have >>>>> found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card >>>>> helps immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is >>>>> easier to find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. >>>> Indeed :) >>>> >>>> I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own >>>> experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than >>>> satisfactory- the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just >>>> been too stupid at the time :) >>>>> I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether >>>>> as users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different >>>>> needs from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a >>>>> mistake to assume that because you don't need something, another >>>>> person's desire for it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that >>>>> it is an injustice that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, >>>>> but that does not mean that users requiring such drivers are immoral or >>>>> of poor character, and therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is >>>>> little that FreeBSD coders and users can do about that injustice >>>>> directly, however it is within their power to mitigate it with the NDIS >>>>> wrapper. If that wrapper allows another user to enter the FOSS world, >>>>> that will (in the fullness of time) contribute to reforming the vendor. >>>> No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can >>>> be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more >>>> logical than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a >>>> different card than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense >>>> for emotional or financial reasons more than logical. >>>> >>>> Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS >>>> helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), >>>> and I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to >>>> be applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put >>>> forward the idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the >>>> challenges :) Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since >>>> to facilitate the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether >>>> or not that had to do with my comments or not, I don't know). >>> Da Rock, >>> >>> I've been using ndis drivers successfully with a Broadcom chip in my >>> Lenovo s10-e since I bought it some years ago - to the extent that I've >>> not yet switched over to the native drivers now available. >>> >>> I didn't find using ndisgen too problematic. Just a case of finding the >>> right driver files and following the manpage. I'd strongly recommend >>> trying it in preference to a usb stick (been there, done that) or buying >>> new hardware - although I'd agree that depending on the model changing a >>> mini-PCI card isn't necessarily that difficult (I changed it t an Intel >>> card in my other Dell laptop some time ago - remember to attach the >>> internal aerial cable!). >> Make no mistake I'm not being facetious. How did you do it? >> >> The biggest problem I had was that there are multiple firmware for >> different scenarios that are loaded. One for base station mode, one for >> adhoc, and one more I think... They got in the way of using it correctly. > Da Rock, > > The short answer is, I'm not honestly sure. It was a couple of years ago and it's given absolutely no trouble since - a genuine "fit and forget" solution. > > I remember it as being a question of finding and unpacking the right file then using the .sys and .inf files to create a kernel module using ndisgen. > > Don't recall having any problems with firmware. The only issue I recall was I think to do with converting the .inf file to unicode, but I might have mis-remembered that. > > Sorry I can't be more help. I think I hit the same issue, but after running through a few iterations I gave up as I saw no more options. Don't worry, mine was the same- a few years ago, and I forget the exact details too... Fortunately when one does get things working with FreeBSD there is virtually never a reason to return to the scene of the crime :) unlike some systems... Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 14:37:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0038106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:37:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C5B8FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so3871069iad.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:37:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=em5LL8ib5w2z/GhCFLCH0grVgXkC1yP9EFmnqDTaC2Y=; b=n2GNhbRNfHqubNL2CH/Gi7UWQ7uP8OEFy4prVrj5aSxOUSmPcYAfojBtfmXc6Us3Cg 64TaZOA7CGy0ry+DTKorWrclCfZbHe7KDnm3XEsCYprzELENw2CfY54puKgIx4XR8bd0 SCMd5sx0VIifg+IWrFLXmqrgn5PlocG3RdkgI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.214.39 with SMTP id nx7mr7566065igc.6.1325860622945; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.31.65 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 06:37:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1325848888.86578.YahooMailNeo@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1325848888.86578.YahooMailNeo@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 06:37:02 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: Bill Tillman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:37:04 -0000 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Bill Tillman wrote: > > I had been running a similar computer with Windows XP with it. The > drive was working fine a few moments before I did the install. I have > a utility to test hard drives which boots from CD but like I said, when > this drive is on a cable connected to any machine, booting is a > non-option. I have an old IDE controller but it's ISA and I have > not ISA slots on this computer. Looks like I may have to try the USB > drive boot option to get on with this rescue. > > Weirdness.. ok, i was wondering - you said you installed an old drive to check it out, and I was thinking hmm 80gb, maybe setting on the shelf for a decade :) I do recall having a similar issue with a drive, but it was years and years ago- my memory hazed, and not necessarily (probably not) related to FreeBSD install. If you aren't getting POST then it sounds hardware related to me. Good Luck, Waitman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 14:39:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF7B106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EF08FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q06EdcTJ048170; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:39:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q06Edcgm048167; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:39:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:39:38 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Bas Smeelen In-Reply-To: <4F069A44.7020600@ose.nl> Message-ID: References: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> <4F069A44.7020600@ose.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:39:38 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:39:39 -0000 On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: > I have had this with a drive and multiple read errors would not remap the > sector. > With write errors the sector would be remapped. This was a new Samsung > laptop drive though, not a Western Digital. That's standard. Sectors are only remapped to spares on a write error. > To get the sector remapped I had to fully write the drive and it was ok > after that. Just writing to the sector should be enough. Of course, when one sector goes bad, others often follow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 14:45:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15B3106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE028FC12 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q06EjSaU048235; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:45:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q06EjSJI048232; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:45:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:45:28 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Bill Tillman In-Reply-To: <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:45:28 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:45:29 -0000 On Thu, 5 Jan 2012, Bill Tillman wrote: > Well the install finished and > then I attempted to reboot the system but nothing happened. And by that I > mean the computer's flash screen would come up and give me the choice > to enter the Bios Setup or Boot Menu and that's all. The BIOS on some systems expects a particular partition layout. In the old days, Compaq had a BIOS partition on the disk. Today, there are there are still weird things that can be vendor-specific. Or new standards like UEFI. So the problem could be specific to that particular computer model or brand. Attaching the drive to a USB to IDE adapter might avoid the problem, allowing a boot from another drive. Before rewriting the do-nothing drive, use 'gpart show' or fdisk to see the partition layout that is the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 14:46:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9D51065670 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6DE8FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [93.104.82.184] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjB3i-0003ix-6T; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:46:18 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q06EkHsJ061818; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:46:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.14.4/8.14.3/Submit) id q06EkHCm061743; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:46:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:46:16 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Waitman Gobble Message-ID: <20120106144616.GA28505@tinyCurrent> References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1325848888.86578.YahooMailNeo@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT r214444 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Originating-IP: 93.104.82.184 Cc: Bill Tillman , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:46:20 -0000 El día Friday, January 06, 2012 a las 06:37:02AM -0800, Waitman Gobble escribió: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Bill Tillman wrote: > > > > > I had been running a similar computer with Windows XP with it. The > > drive was working fine a few moments before I did the install. I have > > a utility to test hard drives which boots from CD but like I said, when > > this drive is on a cable connected to any machine, booting is a > > non-option. I have an old IDE controller but it's ISA and I have > > not ISA slots on this computer. Looks like I may have to try the USB > > drive boot option to get on with this rescue. > > It seems that there are BIOS features which need to have access to certain sectors of the disk with additional (Winblows) software. Once you format the entire disk for FreeBSD you will not enter the BIOS dialogue, nor it will boot anymore; google for a thread of FreeBSD installation on Acer laptops. HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11 | UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2 | FreeBSD since 2.2.5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 14:59:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2A71065673 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1A98FC0C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so3907702iad.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JsnXGan72Hveb/ymwr3y6sx3tSanY66WvHCEQ2mXY98=; b=pg9mhbU4SJLT34ceOgeKfesdo4ugjv7woRlijC44SAD/JfhidKmDsT/DANZb9hxZFw i8DRViAxOQgm0JsRELtj5XcSEJKt4ao3/UdzIk+VL7tCpm8wQF7OsViHgOuz26xNW0fA y2GuGH5jeExEEIEQmQhw7LwexrpE8YRntjU+U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.45.195 with SMTP id p3mr8063965igm.2.1325861991110; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.31.65 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 06:59:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 06:59:51 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: xfce4 / gtk-update-icon-cache fails with "cairo needs X11" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 14:59:52 -0000 Hi, I am doing a fresh install of FreeBSD 9.0-RC3 from FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img on an Acer Aspire One netbook. Last night I attempted to install xfce4 from /usr/ports/x11-wm and it stopped with error: gtk-update-icon-cache-(version): Needs cairo build with X11 support (sorry, don't recall version off the top of my head) I remember that cairo was installed before getting to gtk-update-icon-cache. I checked /etc/make.conf and there is nothing X11 related, ie WITHOUT_X11 is NOT set. I went over to /usr/ports/graphics/cairo and did a make config, did not see anything about X11 as an option, did a make install clean and I saw libX11 in the output.. Think it's ok. Then I went back to /usr/ports/x11-wm/xfce4 and redid make install clean to build... it continued on without further issue (so far :) I found another post about gtk-update-icon-cache and cairo/X11 but it does not appear to be a related issue. At the moment the xfce4 build is working for me, so my issue is resolved.. But not sure why I received the error, might be something to check out? Is there a better place to report potential issues with RC versions? Excited about 9 on the netbook, I tried FreeBSD 7.0 when i first got the Acer but could not get wireless working at the time so i scrapped it. Thanks, Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 15:00:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94F51065676 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:00:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA1C8FC0C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:00:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:00:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4F070CA6.5050803@ose.nl> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:00:54 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111220 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> <4F069A44.7020600@ose.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:00:56 -0000 On 01/06/2012 03:39 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: > >> I have had this with a drive and multiple read errors would not remap the >> sector. >> With write errors the sector would be remapped. This was a new Samsung >> laptop drive though, not a Western Digital. > > That's standard. Sectors are only remapped to spares on a write error. > >> To get the sector remapped I had to fully write the drive and it was ok >> after that. > > Just writing to the sector should be enough. Of course, when one sector > goes bad, others often follow. I just hope it does not develop more bad sectors. >From what I read on the "Bad block HOWTO for smartmontools" on sourceforge it's not trivial to just write to that sector and also it would destroy the filesystem? So I just copied a big iso file several times untill the sector got remapped, the disk was almost full then. This is a brand new disk, maybe I should return it under warranty then, though it did not develop more bad sectors? Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 15:22:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAE41065672 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:22:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alessandro.baggi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61AD8FC13 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so1711509wib.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:22:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rzVLr4mMEiSMToYcLiHjbCMcI5EFTdTPMgMteLL33HM=; b=TRpRNdwxozzf9WN+m1iJWJdoRirsahzUkX495zw2AxGQ9CxChMUOFmlL/gxCTzJafN BHzyiu+VYOjn+oE0/q4x0ud20Ay/alFKgi00aCIAWJXx3MXraY5BmTZ2WaBcXh2fp+kM agt2m4IQZy/m1Gb6u0f5StCbumNpSTBUjE5Ig= Received: by 10.180.19.42 with SMTP id b10mr7999970wie.13.1325863362748; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.4.58] (ip-157-125-ull.customer.panservice.it. [212.66.125.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m13sm68661851wbh.0.2012.01.06.07.22.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:22:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:18:24 +0100 From: Alessandro Baggi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110323 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:22:44 -0000 On 01/06/2012 12:50 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 1/6/12 11:43 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> Hi list, >> i've a problem running freebsd as a guest on linux+kvm. The only problem >> is that sometimes, when I boot the system it dies and this happens also >> if I run the vm with and without -nographic option. Using the qemu GUI I >> can see the it stops on the boot loader menu after the countdown and the >> only mode to resume the system is reboot the vm. I've reduced the >> autoboot delay to 1 without no result. >> >> >> Someone know something about this problem? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> > Hi, > > > This is exactly how to *not* ask a question. > Please take the time to read this very informative article: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise > > > For instance, you've omitted important information such as: > > - linux version > - qemu version > - freebsd version > - freebsd error message when "it dies", if any > - KVM configuration options (disk mode and such) > > > We've been running FreeBSD 7 then 8 as a guest in Debian linux/KVM for > over 3 years now for our pre-production environment and are very happy > with it. > > Please post some more details, that we might be able to actually help. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > True, I'm sorry, too few informations. The host system is Slackware64 Linux 13.37 QEMU emulator version 0.14.0 (qemu-kvm-0.14.0), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 kvm option: /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host -smp $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize There are not errors. When there is the countdown it seems to die.For example it stops to 9 seconds or 6 and stop (die) No boot line, only the boot loader menu blocked. To avoid this I want say that freebsd work very well under kvm, the problem is presented every 2/3 startup of this virtual machine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 15:37:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71D51065675 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16568FC0C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q06FbPEb048782; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:37:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q06FbPeH048779; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:37:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:37:25 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Bas Smeelen In-Reply-To: <4F070CA6.5050803@ose.nl> Message-ID: References: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> <4F069A44.7020600@ose.nl> <4F070CA6.5050803@ose.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:37:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:37:27 -0000 On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: > On 01/06/2012 03:39 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: >> >>> I have had this with a drive and multiple read errors would not remap the >>> sector. >>> With write errors the sector would be remapped. This was a new Samsung >>> laptop drive though, not a Western Digital. >> >> That's standard. Sectors are only remapped to spares on a write error. >> >>> To get the sector remapped I had to fully write the drive and it was ok >>> after that. >> >> Just writing to the sector should be enough. Of course, when one sector >> goes bad, others often follow. > > I just hope it does not develop more bad sectors. That's the worrying thing. Was it just a loose flake of oxide, or was it a strip that peeled off the disk? >> From what I read on the "Bad block HOWTO for smartmontools" on sourceforge > it's not trivial to just write to that sector and also it would destroy the > filesystem? Finding the right block may not be too hard. /var/log/messages should show the block number, but then I don't know what tool is available to write to that specific block. Tools like that are not common because generally, growing bad sectors means the drive is starting to fail anyway. > So I just copied a big iso file several times untill the sector got > remapped, the disk was almost full then. > This is a brand new disk, maybe I should return it under warranty then, > though it did not develop more bad sectors? If possible, yes. It already lost some data. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 16:40:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252B1106566C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B212A8FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so1888970wgb.31 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.83.72 with SMTP id o8mr8352582wiy.22.1325868046708; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ga4sm53133883wbb.4.2012.01.06.08.40.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:40:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:40:44 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:40:49 -0000 On 1/6/12 4:18 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > On 01/06/2012 12:50 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> On 1/6/12 11:43 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>> Hi list, >>> i've a problem running freebsd as a guest on linux+kvm. The only problem >>> is that sometimes, when I boot the system it dies and this happens also >>> if I run the vm with and without -nographic option. Using the qemu GUI I >>> can see the it stops on the boot loader menu after the countdown and the >>> only mode to resume the system is reboot the vm. I've reduced the >>> autoboot delay to 1 without no result. >>> >>> >>> Someone know something about this problem? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >> Hi, >> >> >> This is exactly how to *not* ask a question. >> Please take the time to read this very informative article: >> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise >> >> >> For instance, you've omitted important information such as: >> >> - linux version >> - qemu version >> - freebsd version >> - freebsd error message when "it dies", if any >> - KVM configuration options (disk mode and such) >> >> >> We've been running FreeBSD 7 then 8 as a guest in Debian linux/KVM for >> over 3 years now for our pre-production environment and are very happy >> with it. >> >> Please post some more details, that we might be able to actually help. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail >> to"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > True, I'm sorry, too few informations. > > The host system is Slackware64 Linux 13.37 > QEMU emulator version 0.14.0 (qemu-kvm-0.14.0), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 > Fabrice Bellard > FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 > > > > kvm option: /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host -smp > $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive > file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net > nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net > tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor > unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize > > There are not errors. When there is the countdown it seems to die.For > example it stops to 9 seconds or 6 and stop (die) No boot line, only the > boot loader menu blocked. To avoid this > I want say that freebsd work very well under kvm, the problem is > presented every 2/3 startup of this virtual machine. > What disk format do you use, with KVM ? QCOW2, RAW, VirtIO ? We're running with QCOW2 here, emulating IDE drives and we don't have any problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 16:42:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA51D106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC7D8FC0A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yokozuna.lan (a83-160-85-125.adsl.xs4all.nl [83.160.85.125]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q06GMvEh041616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:22:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Received: from yokozuna.lan (yokozuna.lan [IPv6:::1]) by yokozuna.lan (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q06GMvh5012817 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:22:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mbeis@xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:22:57 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen Sender: marco@yokozuna.lan To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: creating a bootable iso for raid BIOS flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:42:03 -0000 Hi, I have an Intel SRCU42X raid controller that currently has firmware version 414D. The bios flash was done by a "system update package", from Intel which is an iso file that you can burn to a cd. The upgrade to 414D went fine. But the newest firmware version is 414I and is not available as a bootable iso, only as a 414I.rom file (windows only etc.). So I thought: lets alter the 414D iso to the newest 414I iso, and make a new bootable iso. But this was harder than I thought. I extracted the original iso file with file-roller and replaced the 414D.rom file with 414I.rom, and modified the .bat-files references from 414D to 414I. The files and directories in the original iso are: -rwxr-xr-x 1 marco wheel 7828 Feb 9 2006 LICENSE.TXT drwxr-xr-x 2 marco wheel 512 Jan 6 11:19 SRCS16 drwxr-xr-x 2 marco wheel 512 Jan 6 11:19 SRCS28X drwxr-xr-x 2 marco wheel 512 Jan 6 11:19 SRCU41L drwxr-xr-x 2 marco wheel 512 Jan 6 11:19 SRCU42E drwxr-xr-x 2 marco wheel 512 Jan 6 11:19 SRCU42L drwxr-xr-x 2 marco wheel 512 Jan 6 11:24 SRCU42X drwxr-xr-x 2 marco wheel 512 Jan 6 11:19 SRCZCRX drwxr-xr-x 2 marco wheel 512 Jan 6 11:19 SROMB42E -rwxr-xr-x 1 marco wheel 1207 Aug 23 2004 SUP.BAT -rwxr-xr-x 1 marco wheel 3732 Feb 11 2006 SUP.TXT -rwxr-xr-x 1 marco wheel 4350 Mar 10 2006 SUP_Release_note.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 marco wheel 5479 Feb 10 2006 UPDATE.BAT -rwxr-xr-x 1 marco wheel 244 Jan 6 11:25 VER_LOAD.BAT drwxr-xr-x 2 marco wheel 512 Jan 6 11:19 [BOOT] The SRCU42X directory contains the 414I.rom file, an irflash.exe update utility and a run.bat batch file (running irflash.exe with reference to the .rom file). The [BOOT] directory contains one file: Bootable_HardDisk.img. After that I tried to create the iso with: root@yokozuna:/data2/tmp# mkisofs -r -J -b [BOOT]/Bootable_HardDisk.img -hard-disk-boot -o raid.iso /data2/tmp which gives an error: mkisofs: No match First I thought the directory name [BOOT] was weird so I changed this to BOOT. Running mkisofs -r -J -b BOOT/Bootable_HardDisk.img -hard-disk-boot -o raid.iso /data2/tmp creates an iso, but when I burn this to a cd it doesn't boot. Strange thing also is the fact that the original iso has the size of ~17MB, but the created iso by me is ~10MB. So it seems I'm missing some files. So what am I doing wrong and what is the correct commandline to create a bootable iso for flashing a raid controller bios? Thanks, Marco -- If I promised you the moon and the stars, would you believe it? -- Alan Parsons Project From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 16:42:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08164106574D for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:42:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2708FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:42:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:42:44 +0100 Message-ID: <4F072484.9070100@ose.nl> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:42:44 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111124 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> <4F069A44.7020600@ose.nl> <4F070CA6.5050803@ose.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:42:47 -0000 On 01/06/2012 04:37 PM, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: > >> On 01/06/2012 03:39 PM, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: >>> >>>> I have had this with a drive and multiple read errors would not >>>> remap the >>>> sector. >>>> With write errors the sector would be remapped. This was a new Samsung >>>> laptop drive though, not a Western Digital. >>> >>> That's standard. Sectors are only remapped to spares on a write error. >>> >>>> To get the sector remapped I had to fully write the drive and it >>>> was ok >>>> after that. >>> >>> Just writing to the sector should be enough. Of course, when one >>> sector >>> goes bad, others often follow. >> >> I just hope it does not develop more bad sectors. > > That's the worrying thing. Was it just a loose flake of oxide, or was > it a strip that peeled off the disk? No way to know I guess > >>> From what I read on the "Bad block HOWTO for smartmontools" on >>> sourceforge >> it's not trivial to just write to that sector and also it would >> destroy the >> filesystem? > > Finding the right block may not be too hard. /var/log/messages should > show the block number, but then I don't know what tool is available to > write to that specific block. Tools like that are not common because > generally, growing bad sectors means the drive is starting to fail > anyway. I could use dd if=/dev/random of=file seek=blocks_to_skip bs=100M the next time > >> So I just copied a big iso file several times untill the sector got >> remapped, the disk was almost full then. >> This is a brand new disk, maybe I should return it under warranty then, >> though it did not develop more bad sectors? > > If possible, yes. It already lost some data. > I'll talk to the supplier anyway when more bad sectors occur Cheers Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 16:55:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5861065672 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:55:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alessandro.baggi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBDC8FC17 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so1808706wib.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:55:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ydavj7EOncTgePru7WqtxOd5Gb/CejOiNKRTNF975kA=; b=RM/oEgPm2cChpsO4MKtNq2TPU5xliSn6R+fZ02A+us0E4BT7Q/LugIedtxkVNICUT4 csjpBqSXHIv5cV/WX7SW+9Tr3XK/MLbbccurG21doP+2cxQVmSeRzpL0FkMf9M8HO5j9 txy7KQ5uMWPldt3zP5igCe8759L738mzX7K2c= Received: by 10.181.13.17 with SMTP id eu17mr12750492wid.12.1325868899860; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.4.58] (ip-157-125-ull.customer.panservice.it. [212.66.125.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ei9sm148965104wid.0.2012.01.06.08.54.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:54:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:50:41 +0100 From: Alessandro Baggi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110323 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:55:13 -0000 On 01/06/2012 05:40 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 1/6/12 4:18 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> On 01/06/2012 12:50 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> On 1/6/12 11:43 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>>> Hi list, >>>> i've a problem running freebsd as a guest on linux+kvm. The only problem >>>> is that sometimes, when I boot the system it dies and this happens also >>>> if I run the vm with and without -nographic option. Using the qemu GUI I >>>> can see the it stops on the boot loader menu after the countdown and the >>>> only mode to resume the system is reboot the vm. I've reduced the >>>> autoboot delay to 1 without no result. >>>> >>>> >>>> Someone know something about this problem? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> This is exactly how to *not* ask a question. >>> Please take the time to read this very informative article: >>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise >>> >>> >>> For instance, you've omitted important information such as: >>> >>> - linux version >>> - qemu version >>> - freebsd version >>> - freebsd error message when "it dies", if any >>> - KVM configuration options (disk mode and such) >>> >>> >>> We've been running FreeBSD 7 then 8 as a guest in Debian linux/KVM for >>> over 3 years now for our pre-production environment and are very happy >>> with it. >>> >>> Please post some more details, that we might be able to actually help. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail >>> to"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> True, I'm sorry, too few informations. >> >> The host system is Slackware64 Linux 13.37 >> QEMU emulator version 0.14.0 (qemu-kvm-0.14.0), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 >> Fabrice Bellard >> FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 >> >> >> >> kvm option: /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host -smp >> $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive >> file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net >> nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net >> tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor >> unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize >> >> There are not errors. When there is the countdown it seems to die.For >> example it stops to 9 seconds or 6 and stop (die) No boot line, only the >> boot loader menu blocked. To avoid this >> I want say that freebsd work very well under kvm, the problem is >> presented every 2/3 startup of this virtual machine. >> > > What disk format do you use, with KVM ? > QCOW2, RAW, VirtIO ? > > We're running with QCOW2 here, emulating IDE drives and we don't have > any problem. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I'm using QCOW2. For ide drives do you give -hda? Info: if I give Enter during the countdown, it starts, if i leave the countdown to finish, it crash. But running with -nographic there isn't sense to give "enter" Leaving delay boot to 10 sec, always block. Set delay boot to 1, it give me some "crash". There is a possibility to run directly the system instead print the menu? I must install lilo/grub? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 17:12:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D849A1065673 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE558FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so1922925wgb.31 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.107.195 with SMTP id he3mr8615235wib.13.1325869952311; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fv13sm36772471wbb.21.2012.01.06.09.12.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:12:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F072B7D.30901@my.gd> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:12:29 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:12:33 -0000 On 1/6/12 5:50 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > On 01/06/2012 05:40 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >> On 1/6/12 4:18 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>> On 01/06/2012 12:50 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>>> On 1/6/12 11:43 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>>>> Hi list, >>>>> i've a problem running freebsd as a guest on linux+kvm. The only >>>>> problem >>>>> is that sometimes, when I boot the system it dies and this happens >>>>> also >>>>> if I run the vm with and without -nographic option. Using the qemu >>>>> GUI I >>>>> can see the it stops on the boot loader menu after the countdown >>>>> and the >>>>> only mode to resume the system is reboot the vm. I've reduced the >>>>> autoboot delay to 1 without no result. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Someone know something about this problem? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> This is exactly how to *not* ask a question. >>>> Please take the time to read this very informative article: >>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise >>>> >>>> >>>> For instance, you've omitted important information such as: >>>> >>>> - linux version >>>> - qemu version >>>> - freebsd version >>>> - freebsd error message when "it dies", if any >>>> - KVM configuration options (disk mode and such) >>>> >>>> >>>> We've been running FreeBSD 7 then 8 as a guest in Debian linux/KVM for >>>> over 3 years now for our pre-production environment and are very happy >>>> with it. >>>> >>>> Please post some more details, that we might be able to actually help. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail >>>> to"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> True, I'm sorry, too few informations. >>> >>> The host system is Slackware64 Linux 13.37 >>> QEMU emulator version 0.14.0 (qemu-kvm-0.14.0), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 >>> Fabrice Bellard >>> FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 >>> >>> >>> >>> kvm option: /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host -smp >>> $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive >>> file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net >>> nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net >>> tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor >>> unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize >>> >>> There are not errors. When there is the countdown it seems to die.For >>> example it stops to 9 seconds or 6 and stop (die) No boot line, only the >>> boot loader menu blocked. To avoid this >>> I want say that freebsd work very well under kvm, the problem is >>> presented every 2/3 startup of this virtual machine. >>> >> >> What disk format do you use, with KVM ? >> QCOW2, RAW, VirtIO ? >> >> We're running with QCOW2 here, emulating IDE drives and we don't have >> any problem. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > I'm using QCOW2. > For ide drives do you give -hda? > > Info: if I give Enter during the countdown, it starts, if i leave the > countdown to finish, it crash. > But running with -nographic there isn't sense to give "enter" > > Leaving delay boot to 10 sec, always block. Set delay boot to 1, it give > me some "crash". > There is a possibility to run directly the system instead print the > menu? I must install lilo/grub? > > Thanks in advance. QEMU emulator version 0.15.0 (qemu-kvm-devel), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard Find below the resulting command-line used to run a typical FreeBSD KVM from our Proxmox interface: /usr/bin/kvm -monitor unix:/var/run/qemu-server/141.mon,server,nowait -vnc unix:/var/run/qemu-server/141.vnc,password -pidfile /var/run/qemu-server/141.pid -daemonize -usbdevice tablet -name yournamehere -smp sockets=2,cores=2 -nodefaults -boot menu=on -vga cirrus -tdf -k fr -drive file=/var/lib/vz/images/141/vm-141-disk-1.qcow2,if=ide,index=0 -m 512 -netdev type=tap,id=vlan18d0,ifname=tap141i18d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan -device e1000,romfile=,mac=9E:6C:42:78:98:E2,netdev=vlan18d0 -netdev type=tap,id=vlan730d0,ifname=tap141i730d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan -device e1000,romfile=,mac=E6:BA:DA:56:C9:66,netdev=vlan730d0 -netdev type=tap,id=vlan731d0,ifname=tap141i731d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan -device e1000,romfile=,mac=8E:B5:8F:30:F2:C1,netdev=vlan731d0 -id 141 -cpuunits 1000 Also find below the contents of the config file for the guest: -> cat /etc/qemu-server/141.conf name: [snip] bootdisk: virtio0 ostype: other memory: 512 onboot: 1 sockets: 2 ide0: local:141/vm-141-disk-1.qcow2 vlan18: e1000=9E:6C:42:78:98:E2 cores: 2 vlan730: e1000=E6:BA:DA:56:C9:66 vlan731: e1000=8E:B5:8F:30:F2:C1 Do not pay attention to "bootdisk: virtio0", we use "ide0" for other FreeBSD KVMs just as well. I'm beginning to think your VM might be crashing while/because it's actually probing for other devices. What's the full list of devices you have attached to your VM ? Do we have any boot stages expert on the list ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 17:22:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AE8106566C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mubeeshalivm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211EA8FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so1845267wer.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:22:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZrzYhhzHjrUnLhDKYTPgzwwq0m79gYqR03rWQRkvBxo=; b=njK7e6yrZD2dfPQ8Kv8PlqgE3GM6Iyc5iMn5ck5TrOylXMCb48K5T6ypAUTA0yVwjB /cTyd6dP4s93iKD5OX9gS0UcabaEV9Qw1pbDHXvSl8aT+IkC8AOq8r/eQ2vWbn5FiKxV S0D333AhXoEtzaxFjEvYJ57T46RmqEZA9WN0Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.139.25 with SMTP id b25mr3438374wej.41.1325868803001; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.24.201 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:53:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120106144616.GA28505@tinyCurrent> References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1325848888.86578.YahooMailNeo@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20120106144616.GA28505@tinyCurrent> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:23:22 +0530 Message-ID: From: Mubeesh ali To: Matthias Apitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Bill Tillman , FreeBSD Questions , Waitman Gobble Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:22:52 -0000 acer ?? i had this with acer.. remove hdd...acess bios change ahci mode and try installing again. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=EDa Friday, January 06, 2012 a las 06:37:02AM -0800, Waitman Gobble > escribi=F3: > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Bill Tillman > wrote: > > > > > > > > I had been running a similar computer with Windows XP with it. The > > > drive was working fine a few moments before I did the install. I have > > > a utility to test hard drives which boots from CD but like I said, wh= en > > > this drive is on a cable connected to any machine, booting is a > > > non-option. I have an old IDE controller but it's ISA and I have > > > not ISA slots on this computer. Looks like I may have to try the USB > > > drive boot option to get on with this rescue. > > > > > It seems that there are BIOS features which need to have access to > certain sectors of the disk with additional (Winblows) software. Once > you format the entire disk for FreeBSD you will not enter the BIOS > dialogue, nor it will boot anymore; google for a thread of FreeBSD > installation on Acer laptops. > > HIH > > matthias > -- > Matthias Apitz > t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 > e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ > UNIX since V7 on PDP-11 | UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) > UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2 | FreeBSD since 2.2.5 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 Best Regards, Mubeesh Ali.V.M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 17:24:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FFF106568B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:24:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766F78FC17 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF28E3D465; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:24:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q06HOABl004075; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:24:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:24:10 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Alessandro Baggi Message-Id: <20120106182410.4749be9a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:24:12 -0000 On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:50:41 +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > Leaving delay boot to 10 sec, always block. Set delay boot to 1, it give > me some "crash". > There is a possibility to run directly the system instead print the > menu? I must install lilo/grub? Let's first assume that you did not install the boot manager (which would be useless in your particular application case); instead, you have installed the standard MBR. Modify /boot/loader.conf to something like this: autoboot_delay="0" beastie_disable="YES" userconfig_script_load="NO" verbose_loading="YES" Refer to /boot/defaults/loader.conf for the meaning of the options if they're not obvious. :-) Regarding the autoboot delay, let me quote from that file: Delay in seconds before autobooting, set to -1 if you don't want user to be allowed to interrupt autoboot process and escape to the loader prompt, set to "NO" to disable autobooting That means ="0" would mean to boot immediately _with_ the option to get to the boot prompt - you just need to be fast at the keyboard. :-) Oh, and see "man loader.conf" for details. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 17:25:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76821065677 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alessandro.baggi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F248FC0C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so1839461wib.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:25:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lF7MKTLfa28+TcuKA863eBcfjURSTNDGQZhWQJLCdAQ=; b=IXDszdYuJOy7lAmJkD5LY66l2qDvaGTd4Tt6J9lG0dg4H1+zrZqW86mbacUBklFJLB 44bqZZSK0x/WB3oYuHGjt3IZep1ldFZ9JQb403vpyCuhAmYnC5l/TZXYsYHe4BOqeb78 YlLlPoUVrcVud/s+CN/YYqnvgcEHPI6vHFW/4= Received: by 10.180.90.136 with SMTP id bw8mr8795297wib.1.1325870701241; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.4.58] (ip-157-125-ull.customer.panservice.it. [212.66.125.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y5sm3356901wiw.3.2012.01.06.09.24.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F072D6A.40204@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:20:42 +0100 From: Alessandro Baggi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110323 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> <4F072B7D.30901@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4F072B7D.30901@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:25:04 -0000 On 01/06/2012 06:12 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 1/6/12 5:50 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> On 01/06/2012 05:40 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> On 1/6/12 4:18 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>>> On 01/06/2012 12:50 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>>>> On 1/6/12 11:43 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>> i've a problem running freebsd as a guest on linux+kvm. The only >>>>>> problem >>>>>> is that sometimes, when I boot the system it dies and this happens >>>>>> also >>>>>> if I run the vm with and without -nographic option. Using the qemu >>>>>> GUI I >>>>>> can see the it stops on the boot loader menu after the countdown >>>>>> and the >>>>>> only mode to resume the system is reboot the vm. I've reduced the >>>>>> autoboot delay to 1 without no result. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Someone know something about this problem? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is exactly how to *not* ask a question. >>>>> Please take the time to read this very informative article: >>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For instance, you've omitted important information such as: >>>>> >>>>> - linux version >>>>> - qemu version >>>>> - freebsd version >>>>> - freebsd error message when "it dies", if any >>>>> - KVM configuration options (disk mode and such) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We've been running FreeBSD 7 then 8 as a guest in Debian linux/KVM for >>>>> over 3 years now for our pre-production environment and are very happy >>>>> with it. >>>>> >>>>> Please post some more details, that we might be able to actually help. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail >>>>> to"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>> True, I'm sorry, too few informations. >>>> >>>> The host system is Slackware64 Linux 13.37 >>>> QEMU emulator version 0.14.0 (qemu-kvm-0.14.0), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 >>>> Fabrice Bellard >>>> FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> kvm option: /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host -smp >>>> $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive >>>> file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net >>>> nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net >>>> tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor >>>> unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize >>>> >>>> There are not errors. When there is the countdown it seems to die.For >>>> example it stops to 9 seconds or 6 and stop (die) No boot line, only the >>>> boot loader menu blocked. To avoid this >>>> I want say that freebsd work very well under kvm, the problem is >>>> presented every 2/3 startup of this virtual machine. >>>> >>> What disk format do you use, with KVM ? >>> QCOW2, RAW, VirtIO ? >>> >>> We're running with QCOW2 here, emulating IDE drives and we don't have >>> any problem. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> I'm using QCOW2. >> For ide drives do you give -hda? >> >> Info: if I give Enter during the countdown, it starts, if i leave the >> countdown to finish, it crash. >> But running with -nographic there isn't sense to give "enter" >> >> Leaving delay boot to 10 sec, always block. Set delay boot to 1, it give >> me some "crash". >> There is a possibility to run directly the system instead print the >> menu? I must install lilo/grub? >> >> Thanks in advance. > > QEMU emulator version 0.15.0 (qemu-kvm-devel), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 > Fabrice Bellard > > > Find below the resulting command-line used to run a typical FreeBSD KVM > from our Proxmox interface: > > /usr/bin/kvm -monitor unix:/var/run/qemu-server/141.mon,server,nowait > -vnc unix:/var/run/qemu-server/141.vnc,password -pidfile > /var/run/qemu-server/141.pid -daemonize -usbdevice tablet -name > yournamehere -smp sockets=2,cores=2 -nodefaults -boot menu=on -vga > cirrus -tdf -k fr -drive > file=/var/lib/vz/images/141/vm-141-disk-1.qcow2,if=ide,index=0 -m 512 > -netdev > type=tap,id=vlan18d0,ifname=tap141i18d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan > -device e1000,romfile=,mac=9E:6C:42:78:98:E2,netdev=vlan18d0 -netdev > type=tap,id=vlan730d0,ifname=tap141i730d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan > -device e1000,romfile=,mac=E6:BA:DA:56:C9:66,netdev=vlan730d0 -netdev > type=tap,id=vlan731d0,ifname=tap141i731d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan > -device e1000,romfile=,mac=8E:B5:8F:30:F2:C1,netdev=vlan731d0 -id 141 > -cpuunits 1000 > > Also find below the contents of the config file for the guest: > -> cat /etc/qemu-server/141.conf > name: [snip] > bootdisk: virtio0 > ostype: other > memory: 512 > onboot: 1 > sockets: 2 > ide0: local:141/vm-141-disk-1.qcow2 > vlan18: e1000=9E:6C:42:78:98:E2 > cores: 2 > vlan730: e1000=E6:BA:DA:56:C9:66 > vlan731: e1000=8E:B5:8F:30:F2:C1 > > Do not pay attention to "bootdisk: virtio0", we use "ide0" for other > FreeBSD KVMs just as well. > > > I'm beginning to think your VM might be crashing while/because it's > actually probing for other devices. > > What's the full list of devices you have attached to your VM ? > > > > Do we have any boot stages expert on the list ? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > This is all that I've included: /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host -smp $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize I run the vm with this command.. I repeat, the problem is strange because it dies on the menu countdown before start, not during the real boot... Thanks in advance From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 17:27:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28796106566C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:27:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2ACA8FC15 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (pool-96-236-174-150.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [96.236.174.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A7586A25; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 12:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fracasso.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 55A3B5C5D; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 12:27:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 12:22:25 -0500 From: Janos Dohanics To: Chuck Swiger Message-Id: <20120106122225.69ee46d2.web@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> References: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:27:16 -0000 On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:56:44 -0800 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Janos Dohanics wrote: > > - Do I have a bad hard drive (apparently, I do...) > > > > - Why are there "No Errors Logged" by smartctl? > > You've probably got a bad sector on the drive, anyway. > > The SMART error log is a funny thing governed by various drive's > firmware which have quirks. Some of 'em only have a self-test log, > but don't store the error log at all; others will only record an > error after they've given up trying to remap a failing sector. You > snipped too much of the smartctl output to see what the "Error > logging capability" section says-- the full output would be more > informative. > > You almost certainly want to do a full read-scan of the drive via "dd > if=/dev/ad4 of=/dev/null bs=64k", which will help the drive notice > any other failing sectors. Repeat dd if it aborts early with an > error (or add "conv=noerror", maybe). > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck Chuck, Thank you - dd says: dd: /dev/ad4: Input/output error 10025840+0 records in 10025840+0 records out 657053450240 bytes transferred in 5230.204427 secs (125626724 bytes/sec) I have to replace this drive. -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 17:28:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC83F106567D for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0AD8FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so1851204wer.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.132.19 with SMTP id n19mr3461037wei.31.1325870931312; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o41sm29882536wba.19.2012.01.06.09.28.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:28:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F072F51.7090204@my.gd> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:28:49 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> <4F072B7D.30901@my.gd> <4F072D6A.40204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F072D6A.40204@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:28:52 -0000 On 1/6/12 6:20 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > On 01/06/2012 06:12 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> On 1/6/12 5:50 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>> On 01/06/2012 05:40 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>>> On 1/6/12 4:18 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>>>> On 01/06/2012 12:50 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>>>>> On 1/6/12 11:43 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>>> i've a problem running freebsd as a guest on linux+kvm. The only >>>>>>> problem >>>>>>> is that sometimes, when I boot the system it dies and this happens >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> if I run the vm with and without -nographic option. Using the qemu >>>>>>> GUI I >>>>>>> can see the it stops on the boot loader menu after the countdown >>>>>>> and the >>>>>>> only mode to resume the system is reboot the vm. I've reduced the >>>>>>> autoboot delay to 1 without no result. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Someone know something about this problem? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is exactly how to *not* ask a question. >>>>>> Please take the time to read this very informative article: >>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For instance, you've omitted important information such as: >>>>>> >>>>>> - linux version >>>>>> - qemu version >>>>>> - freebsd version >>>>>> - freebsd error message when "it dies", if any >>>>>> - KVM configuration options (disk mode and such) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We've been running FreeBSD 7 then 8 as a guest in Debian linux/KVM >>>>>> for >>>>>> over 3 years now for our pre-production environment and are very >>>>>> happy >>>>>> with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please post some more details, that we might be able to actually >>>>>> help. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail >>>>>> to"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>>> >>>>> True, I'm sorry, too few informations. >>>>> >>>>> The host system is Slackware64 Linux 13.37 >>>>> QEMU emulator version 0.14.0 (qemu-kvm-0.14.0), Copyright (c) >>>>> 2003-2008 >>>>> Fabrice Bellard >>>>> FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> kvm option: /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host >>>>> -smp >>>>> $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive >>>>> file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net >>>>> nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net >>>>> tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor >>>>> unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize >>>>> >>>>> There are not errors. When there is the countdown it seems to die.For >>>>> example it stops to 9 seconds or 6 and stop (die) No boot line, >>>>> only the >>>>> boot loader menu blocked. To avoid this >>>>> I want say that freebsd work very well under kvm, the problem is >>>>> presented every 2/3 startup of this virtual machine. >>>>> >>>> What disk format do you use, with KVM ? >>>> QCOW2, RAW, VirtIO ? >>>> >>>> We're running with QCOW2 here, emulating IDE drives and we don't have >>>> any problem. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>> I'm using QCOW2. >>> For ide drives do you give -hda? >>> >>> Info: if I give Enter during the countdown, it starts, if i leave the >>> countdown to finish, it crash. >>> But running with -nographic there isn't sense to give "enter" >>> >>> Leaving delay boot to 10 sec, always block. Set delay boot to 1, it give >>> me some "crash". >>> There is a possibility to run directly the system instead print the >>> menu? I must install lilo/grub? >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >> >> QEMU emulator version 0.15.0 (qemu-kvm-devel), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 >> Fabrice Bellard >> >> >> Find below the resulting command-line used to run a typical FreeBSD KVM >> from our Proxmox interface: >> >> /usr/bin/kvm -monitor unix:/var/run/qemu-server/141.mon,server,nowait >> -vnc unix:/var/run/qemu-server/141.vnc,password -pidfile >> /var/run/qemu-server/141.pid -daemonize -usbdevice tablet -name >> yournamehere -smp sockets=2,cores=2 -nodefaults -boot menu=on -vga >> cirrus -tdf -k fr -drive >> file=/var/lib/vz/images/141/vm-141-disk-1.qcow2,if=ide,index=0 -m 512 >> -netdev >> type=tap,id=vlan18d0,ifname=tap141i18d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan >> >> -device e1000,romfile=,mac=9E:6C:42:78:98:E2,netdev=vlan18d0 -netdev >> type=tap,id=vlan730d0,ifname=tap141i730d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan >> >> -device e1000,romfile=,mac=E6:BA:DA:56:C9:66,netdev=vlan730d0 -netdev >> type=tap,id=vlan731d0,ifname=tap141i731d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan >> >> -device e1000,romfile=,mac=8E:B5:8F:30:F2:C1,netdev=vlan731d0 -id 141 >> -cpuunits 1000 >> >> Also find below the contents of the config file for the guest: >> -> cat /etc/qemu-server/141.conf >> name: [snip] >> bootdisk: virtio0 >> ostype: other >> memory: 512 >> onboot: 1 >> sockets: 2 >> ide0: local:141/vm-141-disk-1.qcow2 >> vlan18: e1000=9E:6C:42:78:98:E2 >> cores: 2 >> vlan730: e1000=E6:BA:DA:56:C9:66 >> vlan731: e1000=8E:B5:8F:30:F2:C1 >> >> Do not pay attention to "bootdisk: virtio0", we use "ide0" for other >> FreeBSD KVMs just as well. >> >> >> I'm beginning to think your VM might be crashing while/because it's >> actually probing for other devices. >> >> What's the full list of devices you have attached to your VM ? >> >> >> >> Do we have any boot stages expert on the list ? >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > This is all that I've included: > > /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host -smp > $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive > file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net > nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net > tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor > unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize > > I run the vm with this command.. > > I repeat, the problem is strange because it dies on the menu countdown > before start, not during the real boot... > > > Thanks in advance > That's my point. I'm starting to think the loader is probing for devices during this early boot stage, and dies. Can you report the output from "ps aufx | grep kvm" for this particular VM ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 17:54:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0EE106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:54:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alessandro.baggi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB9A8FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so1962781wgb.31 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:53:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2vqHPqCrYcfkXtjMuUjQgJLOf44s+fmzob+l5Zef2kY=; b=X/yOHq6DD7F4vGlKy5OysthXPWletUFL74NvM1PuNcRSodqXuGDisJPz1BsLUFb0BK D5ZnrnfTZQMHiaXJHNWwsk8UEfytVLwCA30Wwu66Yv0vSXa9W5UTHafq9Ux+p7hpnTbo Q3PQPQmaJymml0t8SS0Ca0Q7t0SHHN/mSJWPs= Received: by 10.180.20.69 with SMTP id l5mr8796702wie.19.1325872439787; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.4.58] (ip-157-125-ull.customer.panservice.it. [212.66.125.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bl10sm3416439wib.0.2012.01.06.09.53.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:53:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F073435.4000208@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:49:41 +0100 From: Alessandro Baggi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110323 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> <20120106182410.4749be9a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120106182410.4749be9a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:54:01 -0000 On 01/06/2012 06:24 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:50:41 +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> Leaving delay boot to 10 sec, always block. Set delay boot to 1, it give >> me some "crash". >> There is a possibility to run directly the system instead print the >> menu? I must install lilo/grub? > Let's first assume that you did not install the boot > manager (which would be useless in your particular > application case); instead, you have installed the > standard MBR. > > Modify /boot/loader.conf to something like this: > > autoboot_delay="0" > beastie_disable="YES" > userconfig_script_load="NO" > verbose_loading="YES" > > Refer to /boot/defaults/loader.conf for the meaning > of the options if they're not obvious. :-) > > Regarding the autoboot delay, let me quote from that > file: > > Delay in seconds before autobooting, > set to -1 if you don't want user to be > allowed to interrupt autoboot process and > escape to the loader prompt, set to > "NO" to disable autobooting > > That means ="0" would mean to boot immediately _with_ > the option to get to the boot prompt - you just need > to be fast at the keyboard. :-) > > Oh, and see "man loader.conf" for details. > > Hi Polytropon, yes, I've installed the standard mbr :/. After this, I've make the setting, but reading on /boot/defaults/loader.conf for meaning of userconfig_script_load, I can't find nothing about it, and I suppose that it is an invalid option. Now it seems to work. Thanks for the reply. Sometimes I don't remember to see manual page...my big bug... Polytropon +1 , Me -1 :D At the next. See u From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 17:58:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE06106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alessandro.baggi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EB88FC15 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so1879532wer.13 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:58:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dvJUc18JR0ZR82oqg3oYmr+rojDwgV5AJXaGfowqou8=; b=rYVKSHz/w2OzZo2/i2MHTXPD+UOe3GQC+bdKzuEruxkqRkC9JPvEBOTtcANflR4Moj M/nMJn7zfCaCZPLxx9q/x2lYtlmB+uwsCn3tgbv/aYT9ZSyznoVMr6gEpFluT7Y+Fko8 j4nPMhGPuAsp7U5ZcCa89LytEeBneMs3b2BVE= Received: by 10.216.133.74 with SMTP id p52mr3522555wei.39.1325872718260; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.4.58] (ip-157-125-ull.customer.panservice.it. [212.66.125.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex2sm28952601wib.1.2012.01.06.09.58.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:58:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F07354B.9040802@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:54:19 +0100 From: Alessandro Baggi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110323 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> <4F072B7D.30901@my.gd> <4F072D6A.40204@gmail.com> <4F072F51.7090204@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4F072F51.7090204@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:58:41 -0000 On 01/06/2012 06:28 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 1/6/12 6:20 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >> On 01/06/2012 06:12 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> On 1/6/12 5:50 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>>> On 01/06/2012 05:40 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>>>> On 1/6/12 4:18 PM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>>>>> On 01/06/2012 12:50 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/6/12 11:43 AM, Alessandro Baggi wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>>>> i've a problem running freebsd as a guest on linux+kvm. The only >>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>> is that sometimes, when I boot the system it dies and this happens >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> if I run the vm with and without -nographic option. Using the qemu >>>>>>>> GUI I >>>>>>>> can see the it stops on the boot loader menu after the countdown >>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>> only mode to resume the system is reboot the vm. I've reduced the >>>>>>>> autoboot delay to 1 without no result. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Someone know something about this problem? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is exactly how to *not* ask a question. >>>>>>> Please take the time to read this very informative article: >>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For instance, you've omitted important information such as: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - linux version >>>>>>> - qemu version >>>>>>> - freebsd version >>>>>>> - freebsd error message when "it dies", if any >>>>>>> - KVM configuration options (disk mode and such) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We've been running FreeBSD 7 then 8 as a guest in Debian linux/KVM >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> over 3 years now for our pre-production environment and are very >>>>>>> happy >>>>>>> with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please post some more details, that we might be able to actually >>>>>>> help. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail >>>>>>> to"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>>>> >>>>>> True, I'm sorry, too few informations. >>>>>> >>>>>> The host system is Slackware64 Linux 13.37 >>>>>> QEMU emulator version 0.14.0 (qemu-kvm-0.14.0), Copyright (c) >>>>>> 2003-2008 >>>>>> Fabrice Bellard >>>>>> FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p3 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> kvm option: /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host >>>>>> -smp >>>>>> $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive >>>>>> file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net >>>>>> nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net >>>>>> tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor >>>>>> unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize >>>>>> >>>>>> There are not errors. When there is the countdown it seems to die.For >>>>>> example it stops to 9 seconds or 6 and stop (die) No boot line, >>>>>> only the >>>>>> boot loader menu blocked. To avoid this >>>>>> I want say that freebsd work very well under kvm, the problem is >>>>>> presented every 2/3 startup of this virtual machine. >>>>>> >>>>> What disk format do you use, with KVM ? >>>>> QCOW2, RAW, VirtIO ? >>>>> >>>>> We're running with QCOW2 here, emulating IDE drives and we don't have >>>>> any problem. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>>>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>>> >>>> I'm using QCOW2. >>>> For ide drives do you give -hda? >>>> >>>> Info: if I give Enter during the countdown, it starts, if i leave the >>>> countdown to finish, it crash. >>>> But running with -nographic there isn't sense to give "enter" >>>> >>>> Leaving delay boot to 10 sec, always block. Set delay boot to 1, it give >>>> me some "crash". >>>> There is a possibility to run directly the system instead print the >>>> menu? I must install lilo/grub? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance. >>> QEMU emulator version 0.15.0 (qemu-kvm-devel), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 >>> Fabrice Bellard >>> >>> >>> Find below the resulting command-line used to run a typical FreeBSD KVM >>> from our Proxmox interface: >>> >>> /usr/bin/kvm -monitor unix:/var/run/qemu-server/141.mon,server,nowait >>> -vnc unix:/var/run/qemu-server/141.vnc,password -pidfile >>> /var/run/qemu-server/141.pid -daemonize -usbdevice tablet -name >>> yournamehere -smp sockets=2,cores=2 -nodefaults -boot menu=on -vga >>> cirrus -tdf -k fr -drive >>> file=/var/lib/vz/images/141/vm-141-disk-1.qcow2,if=ide,index=0 -m 512 >>> -netdev >>> type=tap,id=vlan18d0,ifname=tap141i18d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan >>> >>> -device e1000,romfile=,mac=9E:6C:42:78:98:E2,netdev=vlan18d0 -netdev >>> type=tap,id=vlan730d0,ifname=tap141i730d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan >>> >>> -device e1000,romfile=,mac=E6:BA:DA:56:C9:66,netdev=vlan730d0 -netdev >>> type=tap,id=vlan731d0,ifname=tap141i731d0,script=/var/lib/qemu-server/bridge-vlan >>> >>> -device e1000,romfile=,mac=8E:B5:8F:30:F2:C1,netdev=vlan731d0 -id 141 >>> -cpuunits 1000 >>> >>> Also find below the contents of the config file for the guest: >>> -> cat /etc/qemu-server/141.conf >>> name: [snip] >>> bootdisk: virtio0 >>> ostype: other >>> memory: 512 >>> onboot: 1 >>> sockets: 2 >>> ide0: local:141/vm-141-disk-1.qcow2 >>> vlan18: e1000=9E:6C:42:78:98:E2 >>> cores: 2 >>> vlan730: e1000=E6:BA:DA:56:C9:66 >>> vlan731: e1000=8E:B5:8F:30:F2:C1 >>> >>> Do not pay attention to "bootdisk: virtio0", we use "ide0" for other >>> FreeBSD KVMs just as well. >>> >>> >>> I'm beginning to think your VM might be crashing while/because it's >>> actually probing for other devices. >>> >>> What's the full list of devices you have attached to your VM ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Do we have any boot stages expert on the list ? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> This is all that I've included: >> >> /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile $PIDFILE -cpu host -smp >> $NCPU -m $MRAM -k $KB -enable-kvm -drive >> file=$IMAGE,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net >> nic,model=$NICMODEL,macaddr=$MAC -net >> tap,ifname=$TAP,script=no,downscript=no -runas $USER -monitor >> unix:$SOCKET,server,nowait -nographic -daemonize >> >> I run the vm with this command.. >> >> I repeat, the problem is strange because it dies on the menu countdown >> before start, not during the real boot... >> >> >> Thanks in advance >> > That's my point. > > I'm starting to think the loader is probing for devices during this > early boot stage, and dies. > > > Can you report the output from "ps aufx | grep kvm" for this particular VM ? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > This is the ps for the process of this specified vm. It has stopped on 6 sec. kvm 14733 8.3 6.4 1204904 1066328 pts/3 Sl+ 18:22 2:26 | \_ /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86_64 -pidfile /var/tmp/kvm/freebsd.pid -cpu host -smp 1 -m 1024M -k it -enable-kvm -drive file=/mnt/mirrored/qemu-system/FREEBSD/freebsd.img,media=disk,index=0,cache=writeback -net nic,model=rtl8139,macaddr=52:54:00:12:34:58 -net tap,ifname=tap2,script=no,downscript=no -runas kvm -monitor unix:/mnt/mirrored/qemu-system/socktmp/freebsd.sock,server,nowait From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 18:15:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034E9106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54718FC12 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E6C1E8F9; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:15:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q06IFH1i004252; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:15:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:15:17 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Alessandro Baggi Message-Id: <20120106191517.3db16787.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F073435.4000208@gmail.com> References: <4F06D041.4050702@gmail.com> <4F06E011.40305@my.gd> <4F0710C0.5030405@gmail.com> <4F07240C.4070803@my.gd> <4F072661.8060804@gmail.com> <20120106182410.4749be9a.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F073435.4000208@gmail.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on kvm X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:15:20 -0000 On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:49:41 +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > On 01/06/2012 06:24 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:50:41 +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > >> Leaving delay boot to 10 sec, always block. Set delay boot to 1, it give > >> me some "crash". > >> There is a possibility to run directly the system instead print the > >> menu? I must install lilo/grub? > > Let's first assume that you did not install the boot > > manager (which would be useless in your particular > > application case); instead, you have installed the > > standard MBR. > > > > Modify /boot/loader.conf to something like this: > > > > autoboot_delay="0" > > beastie_disable="YES" > > userconfig_script_load="NO" > > verbose_loading="YES" > > > > Refer to /boot/defaults/loader.conf for the meaning > > of the options if they're not obvious. :-) > > > > Regarding the autoboot delay, let me quote from that > > file: > > > > Delay in seconds before autobooting, > > set to -1 if you don't want user to be > > allowed to interrupt autoboot process and > > escape to the loader prompt, set to > > "NO" to disable autobooting > > > > That means ="0" would mean to boot immediately _with_ > > the option to get to the boot prompt - you just need > > to be fast at the keyboard. :-) > > > > Oh, and see "man loader.conf" for details. > > > > > Hi Polytropon, > yes, I've installed the standard mbr :/. > After this, I've make the setting, but reading on > /boot/defaults/loader.conf for meaning of userconfig_script_load, I > can't find nothing about it, and I suppose that it is an invalid option. Sorry, forgot about that - must be some cruft transitioned from older installs. Just remove that option, as I don't think it has _any_ effect here. :-) > Now it seems to work. > Thanks for the reply. Sometimes I don't remember to see manual page...my > big bug... In FreeBSD, there's a manpage for nearly everything: System binaries and command scripts, kernel interfaces, library functions, device drivers, configuration files, maintenance procedures and operation guidelines. You just have to make yourself familiar with the ideas that those actually do exist. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 18:21:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B5A1065672 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9D88FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so1988767wgb.31 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:21:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6Mdz1jAAO4zUFIS2+dClT60cbiS6w3if36CeE0/mSRY=; b=XuN6YBfAupMWfKTqumvMPtwuYvaBd0ohwGNzdyX+x0uvO6OJJt3235D31BgvnQuMlg 6quw80NoPjlzkkIIB98BcAJMpK3tsSuTgnUYG5jfZ1MrixmoULKICXseOPlCaJIao7aO 2beMXSouI5svBEQ30ZtZUgUeD5ChaDGZLL72E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.96.72 with SMTP id dq8mr13057131wib.10.1325874091544; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.71.68 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:21:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:21:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Bill Tillman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:21:33 -0000 On 5 January 2012 22:16, Bill Tillman wrote: ... > then I attempted to reboot the system but nothing happened. And by that I > mean the computer's flash screen would come up and give me the choice > to enter the Bios Setup or Boot Menu and that's all. I could not enter th= e > bios setup or the Boot menu. The keyboard was still responding as I > could press the CapLock key and toggle the light on and off, but outside > of that the computer would not boot. On the advice of some of the techs > in #FreeBSD channel I=A0moved the drive over to another computer which > was working fine, and the same thing happened. The computer would > start up, show me the flash screen to do the Bios setup and then nothing. > I put the other drive back in and it worked fine. I tried another compute= r > and the results were the same. Now it gets really wierd. I thought that I > could just make this IDE drive a slave and boot with another drive and > cleanup the mess. But no matter which computer I chose, and no matter > how I setup the Slave/Master drive, as long as this drive which I had > installed FreeBSD-9.0-amd64 was in the loop, the computer would > lockup at the bios screen. I could not get anything to boot if this drive > was in the loop. If I removed it everything was fine. So basically, > FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE bricked an otherwise good 80GB hard drive > and I can't seem to recover it. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have an old IDE->USB adapter that I think I picked up for $15 a few years ago. (amazon has them for that right now http://amzn.to/xfyeOW Your local Beast Buy or MicroSinter may have such as well the newer once seem to all have eSATA ports too) Silly things like that come in handy once in a great while. Though you may have that rare case when your HDD's board cooked itself for some reason. --=20 -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 19:32:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DACB1065676 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD348FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q06JWEiq051070; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 12:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q06JWEeV051067; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 12:32:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 12:32:14 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Bas Smeelen In-Reply-To: <4F072484.9070100@ose.nl> Message-ID: References: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> <4F069A44.7020600@ose.nl> <4F070CA6.5050803@ose.nl> <4F072484.9070100@ose.nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 12:32:14 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:32:16 -0000 On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: > On 01/06/2012 04:37 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: >> >>> On 01/06/2012 03:39 PM, Warren Block wrote: >>>> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have had this with a drive and multiple read errors would not remap >>>>> the >>>>> sector. >>>>> With write errors the sector would be remapped. This was a new Samsung >>>>> laptop drive though, not a Western Digital. >>>> >>>> That's standard. Sectors are only remapped to spares on a write error. >>>> >>>>> To get the sector remapped I had to fully write the drive and it was ok >>>>> after that. >>>> >>>> Just writing to the sector should be enough. Of course, when one sector >>>> goes bad, others often follow. >>> >>> I just hope it does not develop more bad sectors. >> >> That's the worrying thing. Was it just a loose flake of oxide, or was it a >> strip that peeled off the disk? > > No way to know I guess >> >>>> From what I read on the "Bad block HOWTO for smartmontools" on >>>> sourceforge >>> it's not trivial to just write to that sector and also it would destroy >>> the >>> filesystem? >> >> Finding the right block may not be too hard. /var/log/messages should show >> the block number, but then I don't know what tool is available to write to >> that specific block. Tools like that are not common because generally, >> growing bad sectors means the drive is starting to fail anyway. > > I could use dd if=/dev/random of=file seek=blocks_to_skip bs=100M the next > time Yes, if you're not worried about existing data. But use /dev/zero (faster and you can verify the value) and bs=1M count=100 (ties up only 1M of buffer space). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 19:32:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B72F106567B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:32:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB45C8FC15 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so2051315wgb.31 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DfevlWTE7k+6Jzk3ffDMqj2csKwKCCyhY2xhBlYFpjw=; b=gXo5BJOaMu1ryVf1KsMxzBr7ZlO6wwdrhhCWJ96a4ay03l4vLU+ZXOHOuTQvgF0+Qb 5/42YAprMBtuClQEjT4rWtWPpD/rhQWLEV2hnfT98f9OFIlg04MzHVjSbzAg4Chknhab u4+G1TqX0wMJSHZUBaVQPw+eG446wvdVXF5Zo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.88.97 with SMTP id bf1mr9233057wib.10.1325878336675; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.71.68 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120104221833.61192fed@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <201201041259.q04CxBDW054176@fire.js.berklix.net> <20120104221833.61192fed@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:32:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: RW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Browser X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:32:18 -0000 On 4 January 2012 17:18, RW wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:56:38 -0500 > illoai@gmail.com wrote: > > >> If you have a few hours, lots of RAM, & you'd like to stress- >> test your system: >> cd /usr/ports/www/chromium && make install > > > Unless things have changed radically that sounds like a bit of an > exaggeration. Until about 9 months ago I was building it on a 7 year > old single core athlon in 1.5GB with the work-directory on tmpfs. It > was still perfectly usable as a desktop. I suppose it's relative. I compile it on a dual-core while doing other stuff & everything goes fine, it just seems to take a rather long time (comparable to [libre|open]office). I'll give it that chromium (8 tabs open) seems to use far less CPU than opera (6 tabs open) & less than 1/4 the memory of opera, as well. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 19:42:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEE7106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jalmberg@identry.com) Received: from smtp-out2.electric.net (smtp-out2.electric.net [72.35.23.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECB08FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 1RjE8B-0001DW-Vz by cernan.electric.net with emc1-ok (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RjE8C-0001ED-Tt for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:03:08 -0800 Received: by emcmailer; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:03:08 -0800 Received: from [10.86.5.47] (helo=fuse247.electric.net) by cernan.electric.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RjE8B-0001DW-Vz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:03:07 -0800 Received: from mailanyone.net by fuse247.electric.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (MailAnyone extSMTP jalmberg@identry.com) id 1RjE8A-0001b3-RC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:03:07 -0800 From: John Almberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:03:05 -0500 Message-Id: <91AA45AC-242D-4796-908E-302CE728AF75@identry.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Outbound-IP: 10.86.5.47 X-Env-From: jalmberg@identry.com X-PolicySMART: 1184787 X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (c) Subject: failure - write_dma issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:42:27 -0000 One of my servers -- I believe running 6.x -- developed a HD problem = last night. The console was displaying the following, over and over = again: g_vfs_done():ad0s1d[WRITE(offset=3D970506240, length=3D-16384)error=3D 5 ad0: FAILURE - WRITE_DMA status=3D71 = error=3D4 LBA=3D3918703 My FreeBSD servers have been quite reliable since I started using them 4 = or 5 years ago, so I don't have much experience debugging them. Can anyone give me a hint about what might be wrong (I assume with the = HD), and how/if it might be fixable? TIA: John=20 =93Wealth is the ability to fully experience life.=94 =96 Henry David = Thoreau From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 19:54:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6665F106566C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:54:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout021.mac.com (asmtpout021.mac.com [17.148.16.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEAB8FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:54:35 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by asmtp021.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LXE00CW97AYD380@asmtp021.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:54:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-05_05:2012-01-05, 2012-01-05, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1201060223 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <91AA45AC-242D-4796-908E-302CE728AF75@identry.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:54:34 -0800 Message-id: <6C7B4740-6404-4385-8BD8-5D8F02BD1E48@mac.com> References: <91AA45AC-242D-4796-908E-302CE728AF75@identry.com> To: John Almberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: failure - write_dma issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:54:35 -0000 On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:03 AM, John Almberg wrote: > My FreeBSD servers have been quite reliable since I started using them 4 or 5 years ago, so I don't have much experience debugging them. > > Can anyone give me a hint about what might be wrong (I assume with the HD), and how/if it might be fixable? That's a typical sign of a disk failure. Whether it is just a bad sector, or whether the entire drive is toast is the question, and the smartctl utility from sysutils/smartmontools port will let you take a look and run drive self-tests to help answer it. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 20:02:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FCD106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4BE8FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:02:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:02:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:02:18 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20120106210218.2f131d50@mpw> In-Reply-To: References: <20120105144204.d419cca4.web@3dresearch.com> <6ABAC46B-6193-47B6-B173-94D060E01EC4@mac.com> <4F069A44.7020600@ose.nl> <4F070CA6.5050803@ose.nl> <4F072484.9070100@ose.nl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apparently conflicting smartctl output X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:02:35 -0000 On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 12:32:14 -0700 (MST) Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: > > > On 01/06/2012 04:37 PM, Warren Block wrote: > >> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: > >> > >>> On 01/06/2012 03:39 PM, Warren Block wrote: > >>>> On Fri, 6 Jan 2012, Bas Smeelen wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I have had this with a drive and multiple read errors would not > >>>>> remap the > >>>>> sector. > >>>>> With write errors the sector would be remapped. This was a new > >>>>> Samsung laptop drive though, not a Western Digital. > > > > I could use dd if=/dev/random of=file seek=blocks_to_skip bs=100M > > the next time > > Yes, if you're not worried about existing data. But use /dev/zero > (faster and you can verify the value) and bs=1M count=100 (ties up > only 1M of buffer space). Thanks a lot. This was always confusing me, now I know! Cheers Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 20:07:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E34E106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F13E8FC0A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1192A1703E; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:07:06 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4F07546A.9010207@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:07:06 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <4F0520A2.8040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F0530ED.5030004@mykitchentable.net> <4F05FA8D.4080304@hdk5.net> <4f06c8a9.AG2UYADRzgNLD2qz%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <4f06c8a9.AG2UYADRzgNLD2qz%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: drew@mykitchentable.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rocky@herveybayaustralia.com.au Subject: Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:07:08 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Al Plant wrote: > >> I accessed the sshd from the new install screen as an option when >> I loaded it on the test box. I had to set up the lan manually to >> first get it up. Then you should be able to use ssh. > > I take it you either arranged for ssh to accept a direct root login, > or added a non-root username. Does the new installer do one of > these automatically, or is there more manual configuration involved? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Aloha, BSD Installer asks if you want to install sshd and click yes. Later you can go to another box on the lan and use the user account to ssh into the new box and su to root. This feature has been on the installs for a while. I used it on sysinstall on 7.*. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 20:14:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEEA106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B93B8FC15 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A561703E; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:14:42 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4F075632.6020305@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:14:42 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Waitman Gobble References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1325848888.86578.YahooMailNeo@web36504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bill Tillman , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:14:44 -0000 Waitman Gobble wrote: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Bill Tillman wrote: > >> I had been running a similar computer with Windows XP with it. The >> drive was working fine a few moments before I did the install. I have >> a utility to test hard drives which boots from CD but like I said, when >> this drive is on a cable connected to any machine, booting is a >> non-option. I have an old IDE controller but it's ISA and I have >> not ISA slots on this computer. Looks like I may have to try the USB >> drive boot option to get on with this rescue. >> >> > Weirdness.. ok, i was wondering - you said you installed an old drive to > check it out, and I was thinking hmm 80gb, maybe setting on the shelf for > a decade :) > > I do recall having a similar issue with a drive, but it was years and years > ago- my memory hazed, and not necessarily (probably not) related to FreeBSD > install. If you aren't getting POST then it sounds hardware related to me. > > Good Luck, > > Waitman > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ######## Aloha, I had this happen with using [Cable Select] on an 80G ISA drive jumper and after I switched to [Master] it worked fine. In any case it does sound like hardware. Try switching the cable. It may be broken. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 20:39:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B0E106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:39:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745D08FC16 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:39:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)); Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:39:53 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:39:52 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120106213952.1b39a608@mpw> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jerry@seibercom.net Subject: [OT] re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:39:56 -0000 to Jerry at seibercom.net weapons make a polite society http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11138983/__Van_Uhm_is_wereldhit__.html there's no free piss it's recycled money for water/beer/juice/whatever Cheers Bas Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 21:40:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90599106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward18.mail.yandex.net (forward18.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1402::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8EE8FC12 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp17.mail.yandex.net (smtp17.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.17]) by forward18.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 796461782453 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:40:28 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325886028; bh=42kVH58ys0vbGWyYsv3tw8VUFMCo3aRM5kvNw5LvdYY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PueHUn/oNnLKc8e+syWHZwUO7wCl1htCM+dsa4yqRG0CDGaFCCmILhu5SKXQue69y egrrZ/gzUGKNWjtHcH4IXIYLkj9tO4vn5J5L7nzfMeRi56keLdPy3cLTe50Xp8wN7x PC55orI5Q5RXCWKAjSvJtCcpa7joA6ZLt0kZVo8E= Received: from smtp17.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp17.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 56A2F1900198 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:40:28 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325886028; bh=42kVH58ys0vbGWyYsv3tw8VUFMCo3aRM5kvNw5LvdYY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PueHUn/oNnLKc8e+syWHZwUO7wCl1htCM+dsa4yqRG0CDGaFCCmILhu5SKXQue69y egrrZ/gzUGKNWjtHcH4IXIYLkj9tO4vn5J5L7nzfMeRi56keLdPy3cLTe50Xp8wN7x PC55orI5Q5RXCWKAjSvJtCcpa7joA6ZLt0kZVo8E= Received: from unknown (unknown [77.93.52.22]) by smtp17.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id eRO0Re8C-eSOOWFTH; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:40:28 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 23:39:52 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:40:30 -0000 I have errors while compile kernel ===> et (all) cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common -g -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9 -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-sse -mno-mmx -msoft-float -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -std=iso9899:1999 -fstack-protector -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -c /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c: In function 'et_dma_alloc': /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: 'ET_RING_ALIGN' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:790: error: 'ET_STATUS_ALIGN' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:845: error: 'struct et_softc' has no member named 'sc_rx_mini_tag' /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:854: error: 'struct et_softc' has no member named 'sc_rx_tag' /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:864: error: 'struct et_softc' has no member named 'sc_tx_tag' how to disable 'et' from compiling? -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 21:42:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1526106566C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8B68FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa07 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q06LQ3u3007385; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:42:41 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 12683608b7-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:42:41 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:42:40 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: =?koi8-r?B?J+vPztjLz9cg5dfHxc7Jyic=?= , References: <364237998.20120106233952@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <364237998.20120106233952@yandex.ru> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:42:54 -0800 Message-ID: <06fc01ccccbc$264e10b0$72ea3210$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDTtd1RMO06kjQRDi1cJZ94Ukn8G5fyDFDw Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-05_05:2012-01-05, 2012-01-05, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: RE: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:42:42 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of ??????? ??????? > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 1:40 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? > > I have errors while compile kernel > > ===> et (all) > cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc - > DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline- > limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 - > fno-common -g -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9 -mno-align-long-strings - > mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-sse -mno-mmx -msoft-float -ffreestanding - > fstack-protector -std=iso9899:1999 -fstack-protector -Wall -Wredundant-decls - > Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith - > Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions - > Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -c > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c: In function 'et_dma_alloc': > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: 'ET_RING_ALIGN' > undeclared (first use in this function) > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: (Each undeclared > identifier is reported only once > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: for each function it > appears in.) > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:790: error: 'ET_STATUS_ALIGN' > undeclared (first use in this function) > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:845: error: 'struct et_softc' has no > member named 'sc_rx_mini_tag' > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:854: error: 'struct et_softc' has no > member named 'sc_rx_tag' > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:864: error: 'struct et_softc' has no > member named 'sc_tx_tag' > > how to disable 'et' from compiling? Try adding: nodevice et To a custom kernel config. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?koi8-r?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:46:48 -0000 úÄÒÁ×ÓÔ×ÕÊÔÅ, Devin. ÷Ù ÐÉÓÁÌÉ 6 ÑÎ×ÁÒÑ 2012 Ç., 23:42:54: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >> questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of ??????? ??????? >> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 1:40 PM >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? >> >> I have errors while compile kernel >> >> ===> et (all) >> cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc - >> DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include >> /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq DT> -finline- >> limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 - >> fno-common -g -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9 -mno-align-long-strings - >> mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-sse -mno-mmx -msoft-float -ffreestanding - >> fstack-protector -std=iso9899:1999 -fstack-protector -Wall -Wredundant-decls - >> Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith - >> Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions - >> Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c: In function 'et_dma_alloc': >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: 'ET_RING_ALIGN' >> undeclared (first use in this function) >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: (Each undeclared >> identifier is reported only once >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: for each function it >> appears in.) >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:790: error: 'ET_STATUS_ALIGN' >> undeclared (first use in this function) >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:845: error: 'struct et_softc' has DT> no >> member named 'sc_rx_mini_tag' >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:854: error: 'struct et_softc' has DT> no >> member named 'sc_rx_tag' >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:864: error: 'struct et_softc' has DT> no >> member named 'sc_tx_tag' >> >> how to disable 'et' from compiling? DT> Try adding: DT> nodevice et DT> To a custom kernel config. I have tryed to remove 'device et', 'nodevice et', 'device et' same results =( -- ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, ëÏÎØËÏ× mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 21:49:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCAE106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc1.surewest.net (rc1.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277B98FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc1.surewest.net ({dfaaa318-551d-4a0a-8038-7c31cf31c4f6}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120106214456444; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:44:56 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp2.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094E589393; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F071F9C231; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.1.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9C40816578B; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 13:44:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1325886283; bh=g8nipdYGoP9n7rMP5N5QZSqXQQb43APgOx0p6voSegg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p5rrbeSE2P12KWoQKo5tNXaS1OXFHKblP09fQ13xb0hEHbW5h3jadR/BEUJi/+js7 Rek/H4/54mKmTSwNMJPFrqiqeTjrmwwmwxbT+I1N66pznn8PBSJqUx7nn1DCAkeFco XQD/M5U+Uk/esujvaTnH8xN3f/a7wCc8PDzIpShE= Message-ID: <4F076B3C.8050405@mykitchentable.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 13:44:28 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: noc@hdk5.net References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <4F0520A2.8040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F0530ED.5030004@mykitchentable.net> <4F05FA8D.4080304@hdk5.net> <4f06c8a9.AG2UYADRzgNLD2qz%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4F07546A.9010207@hdk5.net> In-Reply-To: <4F07546A.9010207@hdk5.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120106-1, 01/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rocky@herveybayaustralia.com.au Subject: SSH Access To Live CD? (Was Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:49:49 -0000 On 1/6/2012 12:07 PM, Al Plant wrote: > perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >> Al Plant wrote: >> >>> I accessed the sshd from the new install screen as an option when >>> I loaded it on the test box. I had to set up the lan manually to >>> first get it up. Then you should be able to use ssh. >> >> I take it you either arranged for ssh to accept a direct root login, >> or added a non-root username. Does the new installer do one of >> these automatically, or is there more manual configuration involved? > > BSD Installer asks if you want to install sshd and click yes. Later > you can go to another box on the lan and use the user account to ssh > into the new box and su to root. This feature has been on the installs > for a while. I used it on sysinstall on 7.*. OK, so you didn't actually install remotely via ssh. You installed locally and let the installer configure sshd for your new install and it was available after you rebooted into your new install. I'd like to actually be able to install via ssh. Basically I'd like ssh access to the Live CD so I could partition my drives for zfs prior to installing. And I'd like to do it from a computer that's connected to the web so I can read and copy/paste examples. Cheers, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 21:54:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B33F106566C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:54:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward1.mail.yandex.net (forward1.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:602::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1B98FC1A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.mail.yandex.net (smtp4.mail.yandex.net [77.88.46.104]) by forward1.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id AF2981241505; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:54:33 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325886873; bh=TRJQOchb0NSWcjhZ8jAejT4fvbjTjBwn0naYJS9Prnk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YipNTTyCb99Ik+dKqg1AESxVha5DtrMhwUTUwtUX4Me8stJFsJhWTNdbh2TUHSV73 qwqvA3Pr8jSp7dFpeePJC8Et/fvpnqiLAcmNAuL+NHsLdrZwmYP43x6EnbsH6Q3Kkb Qv9bOr/hYsD/Yf/+XClb5ymMziytqIFUVwcfEw38= Received: from smtp4.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 660CB5C03A5; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:54:33 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325886873; bh=TRJQOchb0NSWcjhZ8jAejT4fvbjTjBwn0naYJS9Prnk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YipNTTyCb99Ik+dKqg1AESxVha5DtrMhwUTUwtUX4Me8stJFsJhWTNdbh2TUHSV73 qwqvA3Pr8jSp7dFpeePJC8Et/fvpnqiLAcmNAuL+NHsLdrZwmYP43x6EnbsH6Q3Kkb Qv9bOr/hYsD/Yf/+XClb5ymMziytqIFUVwcfEw38= Received: from unknown (unknown [77.93.52.22]) by smtp4.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id sWO8WK3e-sWOu0IoY; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:54:33 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 23:53:57 +0200 From: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KfQnyDQmtC+0L3RjNC60L7QsiwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1983034504.20120106235357@yandex.ru> To: Drew Tomlinson In-Reply-To: <4F076B3C.8050405@mykitchentable.net> References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <4F0520A2.8040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F0530ED.5030004@mykitchentable.net> <4F05FA8D.4080304@hdk5.net> <4f06c8a9.AG2UYADRzgNLD2qz%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <4F07546A.9010207@hdk5.net> <4F076B3C.8050405@mykitchentable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: rocky@herveybayaustralia.com.au, perryh@pluto.rain.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, noc@hdk5.net Subject: Re: SSH Access To Live CD? (Was Re: FBSD-9.0-RC3 Disk 1 ISO Bootable?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?0JrQvtC90YzQutC+0LIg0JXQstCz0LXQvdC40Lk=?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:54:36 -0000 Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Drew. Âû ïèñàëè 6 ÿíâàðÿ 2012 ã., 23:44:28: DT> On 1/6/2012 12:07 PM, Al Plant wrote: >> perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >>> Al Plant wrote: >>> >>>> I accessed the sshd from the new install screen as an option when >>>> I loaded it on the test box. I had to set up the lan manually to >>>> first get it up. Then you should be able to use ssh. >>> >>> I take it you either arranged for ssh to accept a direct root login, >>> or added a non-root username. Does the new installer do one of >>> these automatically, or is there more manual configuration involved? >> >> BSD Installer asks if you want to install sshd and click yes. Later >> you can go to another box on the lan and use the user account to ssh >> into the new box and su to root. This feature has been on the installs >> for a while. I used it on sysinstall on 7.*. DT> OK, so you didn't actually install remotely via ssh. You installed DT> locally and let the installer configure sshd for your new install and it DT> was available after you rebooted into your new install. DT> I'd like to actually be able to install via ssh. Basically I'd like ssh DT> access to the Live CD so I could partition my drives for zfs prior to DT> installing. And I'd like to do it from a computer that's connected to DT> the web so I can read and copy/paste examples. DT> Cheers, DT> Drew mfsBSD - is interesting project, that allow you to install/ reinstall system remotely! -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 22:05:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1667106566B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:05:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A877E8FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa05 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa05.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q06Lh7Lk007571; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:05:01 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa05.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 126942r227-22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:05:00 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:04:59 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: =?koi8-r?B?J+vPztjLz9cg5dfHxc7Jyic=?= References: <364237998.20120106233952@yandex.ru> <06fc01ccccbc$264e10b0$72ea3210$@fisglobal.com> <219337455.20120106234609@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <219337455.20120106234609@yandex.ru> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 14:05:12 -0800 Message-ID: <070301ccccbf$43f87d00$cbe97700$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDTtd1RMO06kjQRDi1cJZ94Ukn8GwNnAGaYAltldXiXw/2jEA== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110, 1.0.211, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-01-05_05:2012-01-05, 2012-01-05, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Re[2]: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:05:02 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: =EB=CF=CE=D8=CB=CF=D7 =E5=D7=C7=C5=CE=C9=CA [mailto:kes-kes@yandex.= ru] > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 1:46 PM > To: Devin Teske > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re[2]: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? >=20 > =FA=C4=D2=C1=D7=D3=D4=D7=D5=CA=D4=C5, Devin. >=20 > =F7=D9 =D0=C9=D3=C1=CC=C9 6 =D1=CE=D7=C1=D2=D1 2012 =C7., 23:42:54: >=20 >=20 >=20 > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > >> questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of ??????? ??????? > >> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 1:40 PM > >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> Subject: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? > >> > >> I have errors while compile kernel > >> > >> =3D=3D=3D> et (all) > >> cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nost= dinc > - > >> DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include > >> /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9/opt_global.h -I. -I@ > >> -I@/contrib/altq > DT> -finline- > >> limit=3D8000 --param inline-unit-growth=3D100 --param > >> large-function-growth=3D1000 - fno-common -g > >> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9 -mno-align-long-strings - > >> mpreferred-stack-boundary=3D2 -mno-sse -mno-mmx -msoft-float > >> -ffreestanding - fstack-protector -std=3Diso9899:1999 -fstack-protector > >> -Wall -Wredundant-decls - Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes > >> -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith - Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -W= no- > pointer-sign -fformat-extensions - > >> Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -c > >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c > >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c: In function 'et_dma_allo= c': > >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: 'ET_RING_ALIG= N' > >> undeclared (first use in this function) > >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: (Each > >> undeclared identifier is reported only once > >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: for each > >> function it appears in.) > >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:790: error: 'ET_STATUS_AL= IGN' > >> undeclared (first use in this function) > >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:845: error: 'struct > >> et_softc' has > DT> no > >> member named 'sc_rx_mini_tag' > >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:854: error: 'struct > >> et_softc' has > DT> no > >> member named 'sc_rx_tag' > >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:864: error: 'struct > >> et_softc' has > DT> no > >> member named 'sc_tx_tag' > >> > >> how to disable 'et' from compiling? >=20 > DT> Try adding: >=20 > DT> nodevice et >=20 > DT> To a custom kernel config. >=20 > I have tryed to remove 'device et', 'nodevice et', 'device et' same resul= ts =3D( >=20 Apologies, let me clarify... I would create a custom kernel config by executing (assumptions: your kernel source is stored at /usr/src/sys): cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf NOTE: Replace "i386" with another architecture (such as "amd64") depending = on your needs. touch MYGENERIC NOTE: Followint steps will overwrite "MYGENERIC" in the current working directory if it already exists. If this file exists already, move it aside before proceeding. echo "include GENERIC" > MYGENERIC echo "ident MYGENERIC" >> MYGENERIC echo "machine i386" >> MYGENERIC NOTE: Again, replace "i386" with your desired architecture if not "i386". echo "nodevice et" >> MYGENERIC Now, configure and compile your kernel by executing: config -g MYGENERIC cd ../compile/MYGENERIC make cleandepend && make depend && make Your new kernel is named "kernel" in the current working directory. --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?koi8-r?B?68/O2MvP1yDl18fFzsnK?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:20:12 -0000 úÄÒÁ×ÓÔ×ÕÊÔÅ, Devin. ÷Ù ÐÉÓÁÌÉ 7 ÑÎ×ÁÒÑ 2012 Ç., 0:05:12: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ëÏÎØËÏ× å×ÇÅÎÉÊ [mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru] >> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 1:46 PM >> To: Devin Teske >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re[2]: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? >> >> úÄÒÁ×ÓÔ×ÕÊÔÅ, Devin. >> >> ÷Ù ÐÉÓÁÌÉ 6 ÑÎ×ÁÒÑ 2012 Ç., 23:42:54: >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >> >> questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of ??????? ??????? >> >> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 1:40 PM >> >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >> Subject: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? >> >> >> >> I have errors while compile kernel >> >> >> >> ===> et (all) >> >> cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc >> - >> >> DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include >> >> /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9/opt_global.h -I. -I@ >> >> -I@/contrib/altq >> DT> -finline- >> >> limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param >> >> large-function-growth=1000 - fno-common -g >> >> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9 -mno-align-long-strings - >> >> mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-sse -mno-mmx -msoft-float >> >> -ffreestanding - fstack-protector -std=iso9899:1999 -fstack-protector >> >> -Wall -Wredundant-decls - Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes >> >> -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith - Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno- >> pointer-sign -fformat-extensions - >> >> Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -c >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c: In function 'et_dma_alloc': >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: 'ET_RING_ALIGN' >> >> undeclared (first use in this function) >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: (Each >> >> undeclared identifier is reported only once >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: for each >> >> function it appears in.) >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:790: error: 'ET_STATUS_ALIGN' >> >> undeclared (first use in this function) >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:845: error: 'struct >> >> et_softc' has >> DT> no >> >> member named 'sc_rx_mini_tag' >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:854: error: 'struct >> >> et_softc' has >> DT> no >> >> member named 'sc_rx_tag' >> >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:864: error: 'struct >> >> et_softc' has >> DT> no >> >> member named 'sc_tx_tag' >> >> >> >> how to disable 'et' from compiling? >> >> DT> Try adding: >> >> DT> nodevice et >> >> DT> To a custom kernel config. >> >> I have tryed to remove 'device et', 'nodevice et', 'device et' same results =( >> DT> Apologies, let me clarify... DT> I would create a custom kernel config by executing (assumptions: your kernel DT> source is stored at /usr/src/sys): DT> cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf DT> NOTE: Replace "i386" with another architecture (such as "amd64") depending on DT> your needs. DT> touch MYGENERIC DT> NOTE: Followint steps will overwrite "MYGENERIC" in the current working DT> directory if it already exists. If this file exists already, move it aside DT> before proceeding. DT> echo "include GENERIC" > MYGENERIC DT> echo "ident MYGENERIC" >> MYGENERIC DT> echo "machine i386" >> MYGENERIC DT> NOTE: Again, replace "i386" with your desired architecture if not "i386". DT> echo "nodevice et" >> MYGENERIC DT> Now, configure and compile your kernel by executing: DT> config -g MYGENERIC DT> cd ../compile/MYGENERIC DT> make cleandepend && make depend && make DT> Your new kernel is named "kernel" in the current working directory. cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf cp GENERIC MYKERN open MYKERN in editor, find 'device et' and change it with 'nodevice et' or, Ithink, this must work also: echo 'nodevice et' >> /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MYKERN cd /usr/src echo "bla-bla-bla" > /usr/src/sys/dev/et/if_et.c make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERN despite on there is 'nodevice et' system tryes to build 'et' and fail -- ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, ëÏÎØËÏ× mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 22:29:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC7B106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:29:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED9C8FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjIHT-0004LO-FO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:28:59 +0100 Received: from pool-173-79-99-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.99.96]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:28:59 +0100 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-99-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:28:59 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 17:28:55 -0500 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <364237998.20120106233952@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-99-96.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:29:00 -0000 Êîíüêîâ Åâãåíèé wrote: > I have errors while compile kernel > > ===> et (all) > cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc > -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include > /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq > -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param > large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common -g > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9 -mno-align-long-strings > -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-sse -mno-mmx -msoft-float -ffreestanding > -fstack-protector -std=iso9899:1999 -fstack-protector -Wall > -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef > -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs > -fdiagnostics-show-option -c > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c: In function 'et_dma_alloc': > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: 'ET_RING_ALIGN' > undeclared (first use in this function) > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: (Each undeclared > identifier is reported only once > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: for each function > it appears in.) /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:790: error: > 'ET_STATUS_ALIGN' undeclared (first use in this function) > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:845: error: 'struct et_softc' > has no member named 'sc_rx_mini_tag' > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:854: error: 'struct et_softc' > has no member named 'sc_rx_tag' > /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:864: error: 'struct et_softc' > has no member named 'sc_tx_tag' > > how to disable 'et' from compiling? Why? Since others do not seem to have this problem wouldn't it instead be a better idea to discover what you are doing wrong? Simply trying to 'not build et' will not reveal what is wrong - fixing what is wrong would be better. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 22:39:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F1D106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward18.mail.yandex.net (forward18.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1402::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB298FC1C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp19.mail.yandex.net (smtp19.mail.yandex.net [95.108.252.19]) by forward18.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id EF0A61781963; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 02:39:46 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325889587; bh=9McTf8mpJLW93FehbvCDKOB7H5fHTBKB9frVyYXQvC0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RRWqrrUWCfladXlcy+k3U4ls2O/iTdkc8oXMEp7isG1Q5d6eJc9oMswmjugXaRrjh UzfjVyRHry9Bp9Uujxn3idO4n/BxS65DIP/BAnMkPb122oVCIydqBySvELp2AAosFo H6Kzs1JZxNmTgmeGZWZhETBELK2iq5RPigBT049U= Received: from smtp19.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp19.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id CB171BE003E; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 02:39:46 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1325889586; bh=9McTf8mpJLW93FehbvCDKOB7H5fHTBKB9frVyYXQvC0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bRUuM5UZJc16y+rhjJGxAVMV+Vek9DKGTzXMw+q8+HWA6YMI3yfyYmB0NYDTII6xt ctu6WWn4Z5+CboiGXQKKsoYx7GF/9FQUOW8P9adU6ziD+uNMp4GwTKRUiadHyQmFS9 WMS6ZRfhSxV/XCqHKS3WAIke1fRN0MG8IIG1yCKg= Received: from unknown (unknown [77.93.52.22]) by smtp19.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id dkuKiZcO-dku8DBdf; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 02:39:46 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:39:10 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1522079618.20120107003910@yandex.ru> To: Michael Powell In-Reply-To: References: <364237998.20120106233952@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: how to force 'device' sources to not compile? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:39:48 -0000 Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Michael. Âû ïèñàëè 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2012 ã., 0:28:55: MP> Êîíüêîâ Åâãåíèé wrote: >> I have errors while compile kernel >> >> ===> et (all) >> cc -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc >> -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include >> /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq >> -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param >> large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common -g >> -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v9 -mno-align-long-strings >> -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-sse -mno-mmx -msoft-float -ffreestanding >> -fstack-protector -std=iso9899:1999 -fstack-protector -Wall >> -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes >> -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef >> -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs >> -fdiagnostics-show-option -c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c: In function 'et_dma_alloc': >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: 'ET_RING_ALIGN' >> undeclared (first use in this function) >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: (Each undeclared >> identifier is reported only once >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:782: error: for each function >> it appears in.) /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:790: error: >> 'ET_STATUS_ALIGN' undeclared (first use in this function) >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:845: error: 'struct et_softc' >> has no member named 'sc_rx_mini_tag' >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:854: error: 'struct et_softc' >> has no member named 'sc_rx_tag' >> /usr/src/sys/modules/et/../../dev/et/if_et.c:864: error: 'struct et_softc' >> has no member named 'sc_tx_tag' >> >> how to disable 'et' from compiling? MP> Why? Since others do not seem to have this problem wouldn't it instead be a MP> better idea to discover what you are doing wrong? Simply trying to 'not MP> build et' will not reveal what is wrong - fixing what is wrong would be MP> better. MFC r228333,228335-228336,228362,228368-228369,228381: from yongari already FIX that, kernel is builded, but see: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=misc/163880 -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 00:16:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AFF106568C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hskuhra@fastmail.fm) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5CA8FC1D for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.45]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C2F2036B for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:57:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= date:message-id:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; s= mesmtp; bh=FsDquhwTJrWKGRonu/F1wrRmKuE=; b=iXIrqC61O4iZwcK8WB1Nv h0dcBLlpzuBhkFBAjnvrmLtonQRm4Ri1eJErX5iNaFqkCgYp8ctZfrQoOX70+1kW YfWQYIhE04+NmTjD8PAlnQVVMJ629y2Q8XMixzhKSrLnl0lOdLB3/Ev3yl5Fl8F2 yi5hpQdhxCwPjXnUFQU5kI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject :mime-version:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=FsDquhwTJrWKGRonu/F1wr RmKuE=; b=skNbH5VO5rJnNbmZQLL0PFVZF7lze0x0otCRaq/7FIHUCZ7AqOx1As NvqOCl6PpqlmBRLwh2QvPGiFOeyv1Lo1SNKOYLa5eWCFgPIHtFky6tjE5abZ3Wd0 S7JaVwNFlcap9EK9b51OQkpxoBQzsFmmeiXZBG0qJRgyPR509dq4s= X-Sasl-enc: W4qWuMml8Mvl80ilw4SYyNXZ6AMbBcpRIRvgUilHZjoK 1325894222 Received: from oslo.ath.cx (unknown [188.118.228.74]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C21AA48249A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:57:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:57:02 +0100 Message-ID: <87mxa0v0z5.wl%hskuhra@fastmail.fm> From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/24.0.92 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Running 9.0-STABLE on a Soekris Net6501-70 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:16:53 -0000 Hi! I am running FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE on a Soekris Net6501-70 which has the following CPU: CPU: Genuine Intel(R) CPU @ 1.60GHz (1600.04-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x20661 Family = 6 Model = 26 Stepping = 1 Features=0xbfe9fbff Features2=0x40e3bd AMD Features=0x20100000 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics Running a GENERIC (i386) kernel the cpu by default runs at only 600Mhz: % sysctl dev.cpu dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.0.%parent: legacy0 dev.cpu.0.freq: 600 dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1600/-1 1400/-1 1200/-1 1000/-1 800/-1 600/-1 400/-1 200/-1 I either have to run 'sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq=1600' or run 'powerd' to make the cpu faster. Probaby related: ACPI Error: A valid RSDP was not found (20110527/tbxfroot-237) ACPI: Table initialisation failed: AE_NOT_FOUND ACPI: Try disabling either ACPI or apic support. [...] cpu0 on motherboard est0: on cpu0 est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 615101c06000617 device_attach: est0 attach returned 6 p4tcc0: on cpu0 cpu1 on motherboard est1: on cpu1 est: CPU supports Enhanced Speedstep, but is not recognized. est: cpu_vendor GenuineIntel, msr 615101c06000617 device_attach: est1 attach returned 6 [...] Can this be fixed or should I just add the following lines to /boot/loader.conf: hint.p4tcc.0.disabled=1 hint.acpi.0.disabled=1 hint.est.0.disabled=1 Thanks. -- Herbert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 02:57:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA67B106566C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 02:57:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA928FC13 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 02:57:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=ZEfHdC+WPXBJFVRWdYLWv6lOsbyLDm60RuydKHvrfyk=; b=AhdQO7B0F9KY8/tZFm3e397cLXBtp/YgZi8X3PH6kVhnJCN5MhWif/ZXqxb2uReN8VrDI4TjnjM4GAZLOrPyjDfzRwVL1STkhiYph0uDch2RMmv0nhrjqDU6LC/TFbd6tBKoljjLdkpOpgVRiaPfkXeutLO3tMvRmga4b4eftOA= Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([120.29.65.16]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:57:27 -0800 Message-ID: <4F07B493.9060600@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:57:23 +0800 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Tillman References: <4F0517BA.1050405@mykitchentable.net> <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1325819792.82542.YahooMailNeo@web36502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2012 02:57:28.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[17564330:01CCCCE8] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0-RELEASE amd64 Bricked My Hard Drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:57:28 -0000 Bill Tillman wrote: > Today I encountered a problem which has me stumped. I downloaded and > burned the ISO image for 9.0-RELEASE for amd64. I installed an older > IDE hard drive to test the new OS with and did the install. I was very > surprised at the (1) the dvd is actually a live CD if you wanted it to be > and (2) the installers screens have all been revamped. I can't say for sure > if the partitioning part was where it went south on me because I was > attempting to setup some additional partitions but the input screens had > me confused and I pressed Auto so it took off and made the default > paritions. The computer would > start up, show me the flash screen to do the Bios setup and then nothing. > I put the other drive back in and it worked fine. I tried another computer > and the results were the same. > snip This is a known problem with bsdinstall in 9.0. Newer pc's have bios that use gpart format disk partition layouts (IE windows7) so for FreeBSD to be compatible with new PC hardware, Bsdinstall defaults to using the gpart format disk partition layouts. Bsdinstall provides no automatic way to create (mbr, Dos) format partitions. The user is suppose to know before installing 9.0 that their pc hardware requires (mbr, Dos) format partitions and instead of using the automatic gpart format disk partition layouts they must select the manual option which opens a shell where the installer must enter the native commands to create the (mbr, Dos) format partitions like sysinstall did in 8.2 and older releases. This puts a unfair burden on users to know beforehand whether their pc bios are gpart aware. Bsdinstall provides no displayed information informing the user of what they need to know about their equipment before selecting the disk format to use. I believe this user is just the tip of the iceberg of users installing 9.0 on older hardware. At this time the only way to automate the creation of the (mbr, Dos) format partitions using the 9.0 bsdinstall is to select the manual option in the disk config screen and them launch "sade", this is the disk configuration dialog from sysinstall that has been turned into a standalone utility. If you think "sade" should be made a option of the bsdinstall disk config dialog then post your comments here and cc to nwhitehorn@freebsd.org the author of bsdinstall. The bsdinstall has absolutely no built in HELP, But there is some new documentation in the online freebsd manual. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall.html It's under constant revision so it may not be totally accurate, but it will provide you some insight to your disk config problems. Note: before you can use that gpart disk to create mbr you have to delete the (crap) gpart writes at the end of the physical disk. This script works great to do that. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html After running the script, then on same disk pc install 8.2 and reboot. If it boots fine then you know for sure your pc bios is not gpart aware, and you will always have to use mbr disk format on that pc hardware combination. The SADE utility will become your long time friend. Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 08:12:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C094106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 08:12:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from budiyt@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A53E8FC13 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 08:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabg14 with SMTP id g14so1604987qab.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:12:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ooaho3D+gSgFvkCASTKCTCVojHWTqLBLrjc6sKAJN/w=; b=sfB52b+fa+vrIvMROx8nQhRHbG4+36YiONL9BYuSkLeLC9SUe6TcIy2BLoUtmaFAqk S2zy/KSFel9ak/FxhpTiBRjokfO5OMJmH009ru9WGqo4xaP0W/BIr3IwO0YZFgO+l2cN AAvdkhHJu4+F7OA90/LpZXIAAxg1gSS8yCmUY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.189.136 with SMTP id de8mr805727qab.85.1325922175121; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.246.133 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 23:42:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:42:55 +0700 Message-ID: From: budsz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org Subject: IPFW transparent VS dummynet rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:12:08 -0000 Hi folks, I already found the mistake of my ruleset sequence on my box, for ex: ${fwcmd} add 30 fwd ${ipproxy},${portproxy} tcp from ${ipclproxy} to any dst-port ${porthttp} in via ${ifint0} ${fwcmd} add 52 pipe 2 ip from any to ${ipclient} via ${ifint0} ${fwcmd} add 53 pipe 3 ip from ${ipclient} to any via ${ifint0} ${fwcmd} pipe 2 config bw ${bwcldown} mask dst-ip 0xffffffff ${fwcmd} pipe 3 config bw ${bwclup} mask src-ip 0xffffffff With this ruleset sequence, the limiter didn't work but fwd rules working. If I switching like: ${fwcmd} add 52 pipe 2 ip from any to ${ipclient} via ${ifint0} ${fwcmd} add 53 pipe 3 ip from ${ipclient} to any via ${ifint0} ${fwcmd} pipe 2 config bw ${bwcldown} mask dst-ip 0xffffffff ${fwcmd} pipe 3 config bw ${bwclup} mask src-ip 0xffffffff ${fwcmd} add 70 fwd ${ipproxy},${portproxy} tcp from ${ipclproxy} to any dst-port ${porthttp} in via ${ifint0} The limiter working but fwd didn't work. Anyone have a clue for fix this dilemma? Thank You -- budsz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 09:27:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F42B106566B; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3518FC13; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q079Rix5001170; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:27:45 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 20:27:44 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: budsz In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20120107201823.H3704@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-ipfw@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFW transparent VS dummynet rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:27:47 -0000 On Sat, 7 Jan 2012, budsz wrote: > Hi folks, > > I already found the mistake of my ruleset sequence on my box, for ex: > > ${fwcmd} add 30 fwd ${ipproxy},${portproxy} tcp from ${ipclproxy} to > any dst-port ${porthttp} in via ${ifint0} > > ${fwcmd} add 52 pipe 2 ip from any to ${ipclient} via ${ifint0} > ${fwcmd} add 53 pipe 3 ip from ${ipclient} to any via ${ifint0} > ${fwcmd} pipe 2 config bw ${bwcldown} mask dst-ip 0xffffffff > ${fwcmd} pipe 3 config bw ${bwclup} mask src-ip 0xffffffff > > With this ruleset sequence, the limiter didn't work but fwd rules working. > If I switching like: > > ${fwcmd} add 52 pipe 2 ip from any to ${ipclient} via ${ifint0} > ${fwcmd} add 53 pipe 3 ip from ${ipclient} to any via ${ifint0} > ${fwcmd} pipe 2 config bw ${bwcldown} mask dst-ip 0xffffffff > ${fwcmd} pipe 3 config bw ${bwclup} mask src-ip 0xffffffff > > ${fwcmd} add 70 fwd ${ipproxy},${portproxy} tcp from ${ipclproxy} to > any dst-port ${porthttp} in via ${ifint0} > > The limiter working but fwd didn't work. Anyone have a clue for fix > this dilemma? Quoting ipfw(8): fwd | forward ipaddr | tablearg[,port] Change the next-hop on matching packets to ipaddr, which can be an IP address or a host name. The next hop can also be supplied by the last table looked up for the packet by using the tablearg keyword instead of an explicit address. The search terminates if this rule matches. Note particularly the last sentence. You'll have to do your dummynet piping first, if it is to apply also to forwarded packets. (sysctl) net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass: 1 When set, the packet exiting from the dummynet pipe or from ng_ipfw(4) node is not passed though the firewall again. Other- wise, after an action, the packet is reinjected into the firewall at the next rule. It seems that you may have one_pass set to 1. Set to 0, packets will continue through the ruleset on exit from pipe/s, so to your fwd rule. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 10:15:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634931065670 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rolling.robot@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEB48FC0C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr1 with SMTP id hr1so2418150wib.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:15:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=d4kw7OUdD7JJejW1zBNDrfGd4uSNmHtAxUMaAkCnlA8=; b=x6HebBb8WGYcWEqQfXx1u8u2rdvtAgo54bvCm+w6uIoNPyrwe0UP4SiowQJt5lO2ZG ljIWUdgwjtOfBFNiFDnYUBny3xraX6oGxB3B8kL3R7pfZ/cdW63yKanwKyeTk1JbtQSO ZhjnZ1nbRYmux0QT5NAfZXqijv2ZMV620PNTw= Received: by 10.180.80.164 with SMTP id s4mr16749692wix.7.1325929975342; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 01:52:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.98.198 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:52:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Peter Mukhachev Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:52:33 +0300 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: journal on raid device X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:15:40 -0000 Hello everyone! I recently bought a via6421 bulk raid controller and I'm trying to get journalling working. I've partitioned it and set up journal with fdisk, bsdlabel and gjournal: # fdisk -I /dev/ar0 # bsdlabel -w /dev/ar0 # gjournal load # gjournal label /dev/ar0s1a # newfs -O 2 -J /dev/ar0s1a.journal # echo 'geom_journal_load="YES" ' >> /boot/loader.conf After that I can mount a filesystem and do whatever I want. But after reboot I have no /dev/ar0s1a.journal, only /dev/ar0s1a that I can mount without journalling. However, on the disks that comprize the massive, file systems with journals are visible and mountable. They are ad8s1a.journal ad9s1a.journal. # mount /dev/ad8s1a.journal on /mnt (ufs, local, read-only, gjournal) # uname -a FreeBSD pasty.lan 8.2-STABLE-201105 FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE-201105 #0: Tue May 17 05:46:49 UTC 2011 root@almeida.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 How can I enable journalling on ar0s1a? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 12:17:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E842106566C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:17:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0F68FC0C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:17:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:17:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:17:01 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120107131701.1bba983d@mpw> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 9.0-STABLE custom kernel interrupt storm irq10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 12:17:18 -0000 Hi all, After updating the sources to 9.0-STABLE and building a custom kernel I get a interrupt storm on irq10, from messages I get that different devices use irq10. It starts after loading ums0 and wlan0 and ath0 times out then. Rebuilding the GENERIC kernel en booting does not give this interrupt storm. In the messages from GENERIC I see that the devices sing irq10 with the custom kernel use different irq,s What device or option did I comment out in the custom kernel that triggers this? In /etc/make.conf I have MODULES_OVERRIDE= cd9660 cd9660_iconv msdosfs msdosfs_iconv linux linprocfs so only the modules I (might) use are being build. The uname -a without this problem $ uname -a FreeBSD mpw 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Sat Jan 7 12:41:51 CET 2012 root@mpw:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 $ vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq1: atkbd0 1793 2 irq9: acpi0 21373 27 irq14: ata0 10404 13 irq18: ath0 uhci2 17219 22 irq19: uhci1 10129 13 irq20: hpet0 cbb0 156521 202 irq23: uhci0 ehci0 2 0 irq256: hdac0 2020 2 Total 219461 283 This is with the GENERIC kernel, nothing is using irq10. Below you find output of pciconf, the custom kernel config and output of messages. Thanks in advance $ pciconf -lv hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27a08086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27a28086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller' class = display subclass = VGA vgapci1@pci0:0:2:1: class=0x038000 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27a68086 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller' class = display hdac0@pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27d88086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = HDA pcib1@pci0:0:28:0: class=0x060400 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27d08086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib2@pci0:0:28:1: class=0x060400 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27d28086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 2' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3@pci0:0:28:2: class=0x060400 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27d48086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 3' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI uhci0@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27c88086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci1@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27c98086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci2@pci0:0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27ca8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci3@pci0:0:29:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27cb8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27cc8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcib4@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060401 card=0x01101025 chip=0x24488086 rev=0xe2 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801 Mobile PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27b98086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA atapci0@pci0:0:31:1: class=0x01018a card=0x01101025 chip=0x27df8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA none0@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x01101025 chip=0x27da8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus mskc0@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x01101025 chip=0x435211ab rev=0x14 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' device = '88E8038 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller' class = network subclass = ethernet ath0@pci0:10:3:0: class=0x020000 card=0x04181468 chip=0x001a168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' device = 'AR2413 802.11bg NIC' class = network subclass = ethernet cbb0@pci0:10:9:0: class=0x060700 card=0x01101025 chip=0x8039104c rev=0x00 hdr=0x02 vendor = 'Texas Instruments' device = 'PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-CardBus none1@pci0:10:9:2: class=0x018000 card=0x01101025 chip=0x803b104c rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Texas Instruments' device = '5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)' class = mass storage Custom kernel config: # # GENERIC -- Generic kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/i386 # # For more information on this file, please read the config(5) manual page, # and/or the handbook section on Kernel Configuration Files: # # http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html # # The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook # if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the # FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.org/) for the # latest information. # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is also present in the ../../conf/NOTES and NOTES files. # If you are in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first # in NOTES. # # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.553.2.7 2011/11/07 13:40:54 marius Exp $ #cpu I486_CPU #cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident MPW makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options SCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options SCTP # Stream Control Transmission Protocol options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories options UFS_GJOURNAL # Enable gjournal-based UFS journaling #options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device #options NFSCL # New Network Filesystem Client #options NFSD # New Network Filesystem Server #options NFSLOCKD # Network Lock Manager #options NFS_ROOT # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCL #options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem #options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 # Compatible with FreeBSD6 options COMPAT_FREEBSD7 # Compatible with FreeBSD7 options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support options STACK # stack(9) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensions options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=128 # Prevent printf output being interspersed. options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options HWPMC_HOOKS # Necessary kernel hooks for hwpmc(4) options AUDIT # Security event auditing options MAC # TrustedBSD MAC Framework #options KDTRACE_HOOKS # Kernel DTrace hooks options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this file in kernel options KDB # Kernel debugger related code options KDB_TRACE # Print a stack trace for a panic # To make an SMP kernel, the next two lines are needed #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel #device apic # I/O APIC # CPU frequency control device cpufreq # Bus support. device acpi device eisa device pci # Floppy drives #device fdc # ATA controllers device ahci # AHCI-compatible SATA controllers device ata # Legacy ATA/SATA controllers options ATA_CAM # Handle legacy controllers with CAM options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering #device mvs # Marvell 88SX50XX/88SX60XX/88SX70XX/SoC SATA #device siis # SiliconImage SiI3124/SiI3132/SiI3531 SATA # SCSI Controllers #device ahb # EISA AHA1742 family #device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~128k to driver. #device ahd # AHA39320/29320 and onboard AIC79xx devices #options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug # output. Adds ~215k to driver. #device esp # AMD Am53C974 (Tekram DC-390(T)) #device hptiop # Highpoint RocketRaid 3xxx series #device isp # Qlogic family ##device ispfw # Firmware for QLogic HBAs- normally a module #device mpt # LSI-Logic MPT-Fusion ##device ncr # NCR/Symbios Logic #device sym # NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets + those of `ncr') #device trm # Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315U adapters #device adv # Advansys SCSI adapters #device adw # Advansys wide SCSI adapters #device aha # Adaptec 154x SCSI adapters #device aic # Adaptec 15[012]x SCSI adapters, AIC-6[23]60. #device bt # Buslogic/Mylex MultiMaster SCSI adapters #device ncv # NCR 53C500 #device nsp # Workbit Ninja SCSI-3 #device stg # TMC 18C30/18C50 # ATA/SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for ATA/SCSI) #device ch # SCSI media changers device da # Direct Access (disks) #device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct ATA/SCSI access) #device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE) # RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem #device amr # AMI MegaRAID #device arcmsr # Areca SATA II RAID #device asr # DPT SmartRAID V, VI and Adaptec SCSI RAID #device ciss # Compaq Smart RAID 5* #device dpt # DPT Smartcache III, IV - See NOTES for options #device hptmv # Highpoint RocketRAID 182x #device hptrr # Highpoint RocketRAID 17xx, 22xx, 23xx, 25xx #device iir # Intel Integrated RAID #device ips # IBM (Adaptec) ServeRAID #device mly # Mylex AcceleRAID/eXtremeRAID #device twa # 3ware 9000 series PATA/SATA RAID #device tws # LSI 3ware 9750 SATA+SAS 6Gb/s RAID controller # RAID controllers #device aac # Adaptec FSA RAID #device aacp # SCSI passthrough for aac (requires CAM) #device ida # Compaq Smart RAID #device mfi # LSI MegaRAID SAS #device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family #device pst # Promise Supertrak SX6000 #device twe # 3ware ATA RAID # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard #device psm # PS/2 mouse device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer device vga # VGA video card driver device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc options SC_PIXEL_MODE # add support for the raster text mode device agp # support several AGP chipsets # Power management support (see NOTES for more options) #device apm # Add suspend/resume support for the i8254. device pmtimer # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support # PCMCIA and cardbus bridge support device cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge device pccard # PC Card (16-bit) bus device cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus # Serial (COM) ports #device uart # Generic UART driver # Parallel port #device ppc #device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) #device lpt # Printer #device plip # TCP/IP over parallel #device ppi # Parallel port interface device ##device vpo # Requires scbus and da #device puc # Multi I/O cards and multi-channel UARTs # PCI Ethernet NICs. #device bxe # Broadcom BCM57710/BCM57711/BCM57711E 10Gb Ethernet #device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') #device em # Intel PRO/1000 Gigabit Ethernet Family #device igb # Intel PRO/1000 PCIE Server Gigabit Family #device ixgb # Intel PRO/10GbE Ethernet Card #device le # AMD Am7900 LANCE and Am79C9xx PCnet #device ti # Alteon Networks Tigon I/II gigabit Ethernet #device txp # 3Com 3cR990 (``Typhoon'') #device vx # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! device miibus # MII bus support #device ae # Attansic/Atheros L2 FastEthernet #device age # Attansic/Atheros L1 Gigabit Ethernet #device alc # Atheros AR8131/AR8132 Ethernet #device ale # Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Ethernet #device bce # Broadcom BCM5706/BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet #device bfe # Broadcom BCM440x 10/100 Ethernet #device bge # Broadcom BCM570xx Gigabit Ethernet #device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes #device et # Agere ET1310 10/100/Gigabit Ethernet #device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device jme # JMicron JMC250 Gigabit/JMC260 Fast Ethernet #device lge # Level 1 LXT1001 gigabit Ethernet device msk # Marvell/SysKonnect Yukon II Gigabit Ethernet #device nfe # nVidia nForce MCP on-board Ethernet #device nge # NatSemi DP83820 gigabit Ethernet ##device nve # nVidia nForce MCP on-board Ethernet Networking #device pcn # AMD Am79C97x PCI 10/100 (precedence over 'le') #device re # RealTek 8139C+/8169/8169S/8110S #device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 #device sf # Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'') #device sge # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS190/191 #device sis # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016 #device sk # SysKonnect SK-984x & SK-982x gigabit Ethernet #device ste # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX) #device stge # Sundance/Tamarack TC9021 gigabit Ethernet #device tl # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device tx # SMC EtherPower II (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vge # VIA VT612x gigabit Ethernet #device vr # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device vte # DM&P Vortex86 RDC R6040 Fast Ethernet #device wb # Winbond W89C840F #device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # ISA Ethernet NICs. pccard NICs included. #device cs # Crystal Semiconductor CS89x0 NIC # 'device ed' requires 'device miibus' #device ed # NE[12]000, SMC Ultra, 3c503, DS8390 cards #device ex # Intel EtherExpress Pro/10 and Pro/10+ #device ep # Etherlink III based cards #device fe # Fujitsu MB8696x based cards #device ie # EtherExpress 8/16, 3C507, StarLAN 10 etc. #device sn # SMC's 9000 series of Ethernet chips #device xe # Xircom pccard Ethernet # Wireless NIC cards device wlan # 802.11 support options IEEE80211_DEBUG # enable debug msgs options IEEE80211_AMPDU_AGE # age frames in AMPDU reorder q's options IEEE80211_SUPPORT_MESH # enable 802.11s draft support device wlan_wep # 802.11 WEP support device wlan_ccmp # 802.11 CCMP support device wlan_tkip # 802.11 TKIP support device wlan_amrr # AMRR transmit rate control algorithm #device an # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs. device ath # Atheros NIC's device ath_pci # Atheros pci/cardbus glue device ath_hal # pci/cardbus chip support options AH_SUPPORT_AR5416 # enable AR5416 tx/rx descriptors device ath_rate_sample # SampleRate tx rate control for ath ##device bwi # Broadcom BCM430x/BCM431x wireless NICs. ##device bwn # Broadcom BCM43xx wireless NICs. #device ipw # Intel 2100 wireless NICs. #device iwi # Intel 2200BG/2225BG/2915ABG wireless NICs. #device iwn # Intel 4965/1000/5000/6000 wireless NICs. #device malo # Marvell Libertas wireless NICs. #device mwl # Marvell 88W8363 802.11n wireless NICs. #device ral # Ralink Technology RT2500 wireless NICs. #device wi # WaveLAN/Intersil/Symbol 802.11 wireless NICs. ##device wl # Older non 802.11 Wavelan wireless NIC. #device wpi # Intel 3945ABG wireless NICs. # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device ether # Ethernet support #device vlan # 802.1Q VLAN support #device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # BSD-style compatibility pseudo ttys device md # Memory "disks" #device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling #device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) device firmware # firmware assist module # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support options USB_DEBUG # enable debug msgs device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface #device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) #device xhci # XHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 3.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices (needs netgraph) #device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse #device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player # USB Serial devices #device u3g # USB-based 3G modems (Option, Huawei, Sierra) #device uark # Technologies ARK3116 based serial adapters #device ubsa # Belkin F5U103 and compatible serial adapters #device uftdi # For FTDI usb serial adapters #device uipaq # Some WinCE based devices #device uplcom # Prolific PL-2303 serial adapters #device uslcom # SI Labs CP2101/CP2102 serial adapters #device uvisor # Visor and Palm devices #device uvscom # USB serial support for DDI pocket's PHS # USB Ethernet, requires miibus #device aue # ADMtek USB Ethernet #device axe # ASIX Electronics USB Ethernet #device cdce # Generic USB over Ethernet #device cue # CATC USB Ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB Ethernet #device rue # RealTek RTL8150 USB Ethernet #device udav # Davicom DM9601E USB # USB Wireless #device rum # Ralink Technology RT2501USB wireless NICs #device run # Ralink Technology RT2700/RT2800/RT3000 NICs. #device uath # Atheros AR5523 wireless NICs #device upgt # Conexant/Intersil PrismGT wireless NICs. #device ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs #device urtw # Realtek RTL8187B/L wireless NICs #device zyd # ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b wireless NICs # FireWire support #device firewire # FireWire bus code # sbp(4) works for some systems but causes boot failure on others #device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da) #device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!) #device fwip # IP over FireWire (RFC 2734,3146) #device dcons # Dumb console driver #device dcons_crom # Configuration ROM for dcons # Sound support device sound # Generic sound driver (required) #device snd_es137x # Ensoniq AudioPCI ES137x device snd_hda # Intel High Definition Audio #device snd_ich # Intel, NVidia and other ICH AC'97 Audio #device snd_uaudio # USB Audio #device snd_via8233 # VIA VT8233x Audio /var/log/messages Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2012 The FreeBSD Project. Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Sat Jan 7 12:12:35 CET 2012 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: bas@mpw:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MPW i386 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz (1600.09-MHz 686-class CPU) Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x6e8 Family = 6 Model = e Stepping = 8 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Features=0xafe9fbff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Features2=0xc109 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: AMD Features=0x100000 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: real memory = 2147483648 (2048 MB) Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: avail memory = 2086461440 (1989 MB) Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: kbd1 at kbdmux0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: acpi0: on motherboard Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: unknown: I/O range not supported Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff irq 0,8 on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: hpet0: Can't map interrupt. Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: cpu0: on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: acpi_ec0: port 0x62,0x66 on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci_link0: BIOS IRQ 11 for 0.2.INTA is invalid Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci_link0: BIOS IRQ 11 for 0.28.INTB is invalid Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci_link3: BIOS IRQ 10 for 0.29.INTB is invalid Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci_link0: BIOS IRQ 11 for 0.29.INTD is invalid Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci_link3: BIOS IRQ 10 for 0.31.INTB is invalid Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci0: on pcib0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: vgapci0: port 0x1800-0x1807 mem 0xd0200000-0xd027ffff,0xc0000000-0xcfffffff,0xd0300000-0xd033ffff irq 10 at device 2.0 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: agp0: on vgapci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: agp0: aperture size is 256M, detected 7932k stolen memory Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: vgapci1: mem 0xd0280000-0xd02fffff at device 2.1 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: hdac0: mem 0xd0340000-0xd0343fff irq 10 at device 27.0 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib1: irq 11 at device 28.0 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib1: failed to allocate initial I/O port window: 0-0xfff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib1: failed to allocate initial memory window: 0-0xfffff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib1: failed to allocate initial prefetch window: 0-0xfffff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci_link0: BIOS IRQ 11 for 2.0.INTA is invalid Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci2: on pcib1 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: mskc0: irq 10 at device 0.0 on pci2 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: msk0: on mskc0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: msk0: disabling jumbo frame support Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: msk0: Ethernet address: 00:16:36:c0:28:e0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: miibus0: on msk0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: e1000phy0: PHY 0 on miibus0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: e1000phy0: none, 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto, auto-flow Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib2: irq 10 at device 28.1 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib2: failed to allocate initial I/O port window: 0-0xfff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib2: failed to allocate initial memory window: 0-0xfffff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib2: failed to allocate initial prefetch window: 0-0xfffff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci3: on pcib2 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib3: irq 10 at device 28.2 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib3: failed to allocate initial I/O port window: 0-0xfff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib3: failed to allocate initial memory window: 0-0xfffff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib3: failed to allocate initial prefetch window: 0-0xfffff Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci4: on pcib3 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhci0: port 0x1820-0x183f irq 11 at device 29.0 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus0: on uhci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhci1: port 0x1840-0x185f irq 9 at device 29.1 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus1: on uhci1 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhci2: port 0x1860-0x187f irq 10 at device 29.2 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus2: on uhci2 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhci3: port 0x1880-0x189f irq 10 at device 29.3 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus3: on uhci3 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ehci0: mem 0xd0544000-0xd05443ff irq 11 at device 29.7 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus4: EHCI version 1.0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus4: on ehci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib4: at device 30.0 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci10: on pcib4 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib4: no PRT entry for 10.9.INTA Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcib4: no PRT entry for 10.9.INTA Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ath0: mem 0xd0000000-0xd000ffff at device 3.0 on pci10 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ath0: AR2413 mac 7.8 RF2413 phy 4.5 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: cbb0: mem 0xd0014000-0xd0014fff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci10 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: cardbus0: on cbb0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci10: at device 9.2 (no driver attached) Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: isa0: on isab0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x1810-0x181f at device 31.1 on pci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ata0: at channel 0 on atapci0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: acpi_acad0: on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: battery0: on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: acpi_lid0: on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: acpi_button0: on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: acpi_button1: on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: acpi_tz0: on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: atrtc0: port 0x70-0x77 on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: attimer0: port 0x40-0x43,0x50-0x53 on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: kbd0 at atkbd0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pmtimer0 on isa0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: p4tcc0: on cpu0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: hdac0: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC883 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: hdac0: HDA Codec #1: Lucent/Agere Systems (Unknown) Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcm1: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: pcm2: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus0: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus1: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus2: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus3: 12Mbps Full Speed USB v1.0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: usbus4: 480Mbps High Speed USB v2.0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ugen0.1: at usbus0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub0: on usbus0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ugen1.1: at usbus1 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub1: on usbus1 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ugen2.1: at usbus2 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub2: on usbus2 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ugen3.1: at usbus3 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub3: on usbus3 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ugen4.1: at usbus4 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub4: on usbus4 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ada0 at ata0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ada0: ATA-8 device Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ada0: 100.000MB/s transfers (UDMA5, PIO 8192bytes) Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ada0: 152627MB (312581808 512 byte sectors: 16H 63S/T 16383C) Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ada0: Previously was known as ad0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Root mount waiting for: usbus4 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw last message repeated 3 times Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ada0s2a [rw]... Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ugen1.2: at usbus1 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ums0: on usbus1 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ums0: 3 buttons and [XYZ] coordinates ID=0 Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: wlan0: Ethernet address: 00:19:7d:08:18:fa Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw last message repeated 7 times Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: ath0: device timeout Jan 7 12:14:59 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:00 mpw last message repeated 11 times Jan 7 12:15:00 mpw ntpd[1591]: ntpd 4.2.4p5-a (1) Jan 7 12:15:00 mpw kernel: . Jan 7 12:15:01 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:02 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:02 mpw ntpd_initres[1599]: host name not found: 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org Jan 7 12:15:02 mpw ntpd_initres[1599]: host name not found: 1.freebsd.pool.ntp.org Jan 7 12:15:02 mpw ntpd_initres[1599]: host name not found: 2.freebsd.pool.ntp.org Jan 7 12:15:03 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:06 mpw last message repeated 3 times Jan 7 12:15:06 mpw wpa_supplicant[486]: Authentication with 00:0c:f6:8e:db:fc timed out. Jan 7 12:15:07 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:08 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:09 mpw wpa_supplicant[486]: Trying to associate with 00:0c:f6:8e:db:fc (SSID='PR21595PBS' freq=2462 MHz) Jan 7 12:15:09 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:16 mpw last message repeated 7 times Jan 7 12:15:16 mpw kernel: ath0: device timeout Jan 7 12:15:17 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:18 mpw dbus[1523]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit' (using servicehelper) Jan 7 12:15:18 mpw dbus[1523]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' (using servicehelper) Jan 7 12:15:18 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:18 mpw dbus[1523]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1' Jan 7 12:15:18 mpw dbus[1523]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit' Jan 7 12:15:19 mpw wpa_supplicant[486]: Authentication with 00:0c:f6:8e:db:fc timed out. Jan 7 12:15:19 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:21 mpw last message repeated 2 times Jan 7 12:15:21 mpw wpa_supplicant[486]: Trying to associate with 00:0c:f6:8e:db:fc (SSID='PR21595PBS' freq=2462 MHz) Jan 7 12:15:22 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:26 mpw last message repeated 4 times Jan 7 12:15:26 mpw kernel: ath0: device timeout Jan 7 12:15:27 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:31 mpw last message repeated 4 times Jan 7 12:15:31 mpw wpa_supplicant[486]: Authentication with 00:0c:f6:8e:db:fc timed out. Jan 7 12:15:32 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:15:38 mpw last message repeated 6 times Jan 7 12:15:38 mpw login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv1 Jan 7 12:15:39 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:16:04 mpw last message repeated 24 times Jan 7 12:16:04 mpw ntpd_initres[1599]: host name not found: 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org Jan 7 12:16:04 mpw ntpd_initres[1599]: host name not found: 1.freebsd.pool.ntp.org Jan 7 12:16:04 mpw ntpd_initres[1599]: host name not found: 2.freebsd.pool.ntp.org Jan 7 12:16:05 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:16:36 mpw last message repeated 31 times Jan 7 12:17:13 mpw last message repeated 37 times Jan 7 12:17:14 mpw wpa_supplicant[486]: Trying to associate with 00:0c:f6:8e:db:fc (SSID='PR21595PBS' freq=2462 MHz) Jan 7 12:17:14 mpw wpa_supplicant[486]: Associated with 00:0c:f6:8e:db:fc Jan 7 12:17:14 mpw kernel: wlan0: link state changed to UP Jan 7 12:17:15 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:17:15 mpw wpa_supplicant[486]: WPA: Key negotiation completed with 00:0c:f6:8e:db:fc [PTK=CCMP GTK=TKIP] Jan 7 12:17:15 mpw wpa_supplicant[486]: CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to 00:0c:f6:8e:db:fc completed (auth) [id=0 id_str=] Jan 7 12:17:16 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:17:22 mpw last message repeated 6 times Jan 7 12:17:22 mpw dhclient: New IP Address (wlan0): 192.168.30.104 Jan 7 12:17:22 mpw dhclient: New Subnet Mask (wlan0): 255.255.255.0 Jan 7 12:17:22 mpw dhclient: New Broadcast Address (wlan0): 192.168.30.255 Jan 7 12:17:22 mpw dhclient: New Routers (wlan0): 192.168.30.1 Jan 7 12:17:23 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:17:31 mpw last message repeated 8 times Jan 7 12:17:31 mpw kernel: ath0: device timeout Jan 7 12:17:32 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:18:01 mpw last message repeated 29 times Jan 7 12:18:01 mpw kernel: ath0: device timeout Jan 7 12:18:02 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:18:07 mpw last message repeated 5 times Jan 7 12:18:07 mpw kernel: ath0: device timeout Jan 7 12:18:08 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:18:12 mpw last message repeated 4 times Jan 7 12:18:12 mpw kernel: ath0: device timeout Jan 7 12:18:13 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:18:17 mpw last message repeated 4 times Jan 7 12:18:17 mpw ntpd_initres[1599]: host name not found: 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org Jan 7 12:18:18 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:18:49 mpw last message repeated 31 times Jan 7 12:19:12 mpw last message repeated 23 times Jan 7 12:19:13 mpw ntpd[1592]: ntpd exiting on signal 15 Jan 7 12:19:13 mpw kernel: interrupt storm detected on "irq10:"; throttling interrupt source Jan 7 12:19:15 mpw last message repeated 2 times Jan 7 12:19:15 mpw syslogd: exiting on signal 15 Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 12:50:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D58106566C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:50:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayasaman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1328FC12 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so2479843wer.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:50:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jgjAwFEDvPIQffDiD8/3TC6KRDu3Heus8AM1QgYtHL0=; b=V3DcPw1+cL6Wgd7e82eNbRzbtDP+6Jwly2kVXXIZnV6fv5O8P4HTKLtowxK1Apqx/1 Ekz2VlyMmcpp0PLLUdvDybA4OhazfTRoKl9nCfF/0jEf76GVypix5Wly2PCXpcVo9RDl Xi41VlWhr3P0YLCK/SCQeTOTNbJvmmLNqBtKw= Received: by 10.216.137.195 with SMTP id y45mr608327wei.45.1325938924600; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from Hp2230s.localhost (81-178-2-118.dsl.pipex.com. [81.178.2.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m13sm71772311wbh.0.2012.01.07.04.22.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 04:22:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:21:51 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111115 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Having problems running shell script from crontab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 12:50:47 -0000 Hi, I wrote a shell script to detect if the port of tomcat was in use or not then restart if the port wasn't online; due to tomcat segfaulting as my system hasn't got enough memory for it. This is the shell script: #!/usr/local/bin/bash ntstat=`netstat -ap tcp | grep 8180 | sed -n '1p'` port="8180" #echo $ntstat #echo $port if [[ $ntstat =~ $port ]]; then echo "Output of Netstat command $ntstat port number $port" > /root/java_restart/java_restart.log; else wait 60; /usr/local/etc/rc.d/tomcat6 restart; fi Here in /var/log/cron - it can be seen that the script has been executed: Jan 7 10:30:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[19509]: (root) CMD (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) Jan 7 11:00:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[20418]: (root) CMD (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) Jan 7 11:30:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[21356]: (root) CMD (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) Jan 7 12:00:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[22455]: (root) CMD (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) The strange thing is that if I run this script manually /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh it works fine and does what it's supposed to do. Cron however seems to execute the IF statement but not get as far as else??? - it seems as tomcat doesn't restart. Here is my little log file that tells the port is active: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 116 Jan 7 11:30 java_restart.log If I stop tomcat just before the xx:00 or xx:30 time designations tomcat will not be restarted by the script and I don't understand why? This is the crontab: 0,30 * * * * /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh which is being run as root user. Can anyone suggest anything that might be a possible cause for tomcat not getting restarted automatically when the proper conditions are met? Regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 13:05:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F9C106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:05:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: from procyon.xvoid.org (procyon.xvoid.org [IPv6:2001:470:28:4ba:20c:29ff:feb6:11bc]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CBB8FC14 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from procyon.xvoid.org (yuri@procyon.xvoid.org [IPv6:::1]) by procyon.xvoid.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q07D5BAo009913; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:05:11 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: (from yuri@localhost) by procyon.xvoid.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q07D5B7P009912; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:05:11 +0400 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: procyon.xvoid.org: yuri set sender to yuri.pankov@gmail.com using -f Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:05:11 +0400 From: Yuri Pankov To: Kaya Saman Message-ID: <20120107130511.GE1237@procyon.xvoid.org> References: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Having problems running shell script from crontab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:05:14 -0000 On Sat, Jan 07, 2012 at 02:21:51PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: > Hi, > > I wrote a shell script to detect if the port of tomcat was in use or not > then restart if the port wasn't online; due to tomcat segfaulting as my > system hasn't got enough memory for it. > > > This is the shell script: > > > #!/usr/local/bin/bash > ntstat=`netstat -ap tcp | grep 8180 | sed -n '1p'` sockstat would be more useful here. > port="8180" > > #echo $ntstat > #echo $port > > if [[ $ntstat =~ $port ]]; then > echo "Output of Netstat command $ntstat port number $port" > > /root/java_restart/java_restart.log; > else > wait 60; /usr/local/etc/rc.d/tomcat6 restart; Are you sure you want 'wait' here (or should it be 'sleep')? > fi > > > > Here in /var/log/cron - it can be seen that the script has been executed: > > Jan 7 10:30:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[19509]: (root) CMD > (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) > Jan 7 11:00:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[20418]: (root) CMD > (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) > Jan 7 11:30:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[21356]: (root) CMD > (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) > Jan 7 12:00:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[22455]: (root) CMD > (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) > > > > > The strange thing is that if I run this script manually > /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh it works fine and does what it's > supposed to do. Cron however seems to execute the IF statement but not > get as far as else??? - it seems as tomcat doesn't restart. > > Here is my little log file that tells the port is active: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 116 Jan 7 11:30 java_restart.log > > > If I stop tomcat just before the xx:00 or xx:30 time designations tomcat > will not be restarted by the script and I don't understand why? > > > This is the crontab: 0,30 * * * * /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh Try changing it to /usr/local/bin/bash /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh. > which is being run as root user. > > > Can anyone suggest anything that might be a possible cause for tomcat > not getting restarted automatically when the proper conditions are met? Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 13:17:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B13106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:17:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayasaman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FC58FC0C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so271309wgb.31 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:17:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uA0Dj4KEM5iyNUFqbNmGg6S05ydqODZ+qo3IU5C+ZJ4=; b=Y18T0alRZZ7cyzwFN9RRY0QxPFP05a6yWRkyvC9HwNSwRsP/AKY2PmIHrdnfxZ5qDw MOrpy3Kker/gikeQEU4/Nh3mLYf9hBrEZTdVaA9wMbXiX8VmJe2QT0np9+L5VKyVdn9I wRD9FB5H6CoznfNnmxPEOI7E7gPGfs7CJlMnI= Received: by 10.181.13.179 with SMTP id ez19mr17311274wid.11.1325942239033; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from Hp2230s.localhost (81-178-2-118.dsl.pipex.com. [81.178.2.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f36sm28514872wbo.10.2012.01.07.05.17.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:17:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0845D1.7030000@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:17:05 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111115 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yuri Pankov References: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> <20120107130511.GE1237@procyon.xvoid.org> In-Reply-To: <20120107130511.GE1237@procyon.xvoid.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Having problems running shell script from crontab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:17:20 -0000 On 01/07/2012 03:05 PM, Yuri Pankov wrote: > On Sat, Jan 07, 2012 at 02:21:51PM +0200, Kaya Saman wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I wrote a shell script to detect if the port of tomcat was in use or not >> then restart if the port wasn't online; due to tomcat segfaulting as my >> system hasn't got enough memory for it. >> >> >> This is the shell script: >> >> >> #!/usr/local/bin/bash >> ntstat=`netstat -ap tcp | grep 8180 | sed -n '1p'` > sockstat would be more useful here. So if I adapted to: ntstat=`sockstat | grep java` port="java" (keeping the same variables in order to limit change - even though minimal) then compared in my IF statement below that would have the same result? I've never used sockstat although just peeked at the manual quickly now: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sockstat&sektion=1 > >> port="8180" >> >> #echo $ntstat >> #echo $port >> >> if [[ $ntstat =~ $port ]]; then >> echo "Output of Netstat command $ntstat port number $port"> >> /root/java_restart/java_restart.log; >> else >> wait 60; /usr/local/etc/rc.d/tomcat6 restart; > Are you sure you want 'wait' here (or should it be 'sleep')? It was sleep that I wanted - thanks! :-) Sorry my shell scripting skills are really iffy at best..... > >> fi >> >> >> >> Here in /var/log/cron - it can be seen that the script has been executed: >> >> Jan 7 10:30:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[19509]: (root) CMD >> (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) >> Jan 7 11:00:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[20418]: (root) CMD >> (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) >> Jan 7 11:30:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[21356]: (root) CMD >> (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) >> Jan 7 12:00:00 wiki /usr/sbin/cron[22455]: (root) CMD >> (/root/java_restart/java_restart.sh) >> >> >> >> >> The strange thing is that if I run this script manually >> /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh it works fine and does what it's >> supposed to do. Cron however seems to execute the IF statement but not >> get as far as else??? - it seems as tomcat doesn't restart. >> >> Here is my little log file that tells the port is active: >> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 116 Jan 7 11:30 java_restart.log >> >> >> If I stop tomcat just before the xx:00 or xx:30 time designations tomcat >> will not be restarted by the script and I don't understand why? >> >> >> This is the crontab: 0,30 * * * * /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh > Try changing it to /usr/local/bin/bash /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh. Ok adapted the crontab let's see what happens now. > >> which is being run as root user. >> >> >> Can anyone suggest anything that might be a possible cause for tomcat >> not getting restarted automatically when the proper conditions are met? > > Yuri Thanks Yuri :-) Regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 13:22:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C96106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:22:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0438FC0A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so273856wgb.31 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:22:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ApbmeQNNiI0ZT0B6QEcE91CfWAtUh8hQZclOSv3uqqQ=; b=EeON1cX3gU059cqMzRmY4dJb/Xsv5PTGrs3wZEDTIq3FGZDrDeEseqkj71FT9UTBzc EcYZtu/S/JRRH6U6y+Mzv3v1a6YYpWGXJ4oOortQXbWYU6CTlc0U6XBaBYltDSext6Oq 1vRN22erCDvDCLdF6H19INLbKSmY0melAcTuc= Received: by 10.180.81.72 with SMTP id y8mr17541410wix.14.1325942558387; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba4sm55059546wib.5.2012.01.07.05.22.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:22:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:22:34 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120107132234.31d04a1c@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> References: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Having problems running shell script from crontab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:22:40 -0000 On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:21:51 +0200 Kaya Saman wrote: > The strange thing is that if I run this script manually > /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh it works fine and does what it's > supposed to do. The commonest reason for scripts that that work from a terminal failing under cron is that the environment isn't set-up correctly. Usually it's PATH that's missing or incomplete. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 13:38:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45602106566B for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayasaman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81DA8FC12 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so2502743wer.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:38:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cekFZHUxf9rZbBznu2ac7+LkC6swQBburWXQ9NlkOf8=; b=cVrxpk8T+WlmiiWxoXV9qkO6o2jTLhej6dkpDYCCCm3Bucg9wCLz+wbGHymT9wu5gs nBR3FMijLyTLTSy/pE0xu1d3d/U2dCyJfRJgiByFZ7o3Dwh0uvyOgpw20EcBaAbGm1bZ SvJbFjZuzdK3i63MbiTNbIcxAcYOxXzxFWehQ= Received: by 10.216.136.73 with SMTP id v51mr725309wei.5.1325943482639; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:38:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from Hp2230s.localhost (81-178-2-118.dsl.pipex.com. [81.178.2.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm71969004wby.3.2012.01.07.05.38.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:38:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F084AAD.3050301@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:37:49 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111115 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> <20120107132234.31d04a1c@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20120107132234.31d04a1c@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Having problems running shell script from crontab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:38:04 -0000 On 01/07/2012 03:22 PM, RW wrote: > On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:21:51 +0200 > Kaya Saman wrote: >> The strange thing is that if I run this script manually >> /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh it works fine and does what it's >> supposed to do. > The commonest reason for scripts that that work from a terminal > failing under cron is that the environment isn't set-up correctly. > Usually it's PATH that's missing or incomplete. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Would it be possible to elaborate? I just fixed my script by altering some parts to Yuri's suggestions: #!/usr/local/bin/bash ntstat=`netstat -ap tcp | grep 8180 | sed -n '1p'` port="8180" #echo $ntstat #echo $port if [[ $ntstat =~ $port ]]; then echo "Output of Netstat command $ntstat port number $port" > /root/java_restart/java_restart.log; else sleep 60; /usr/local/etc/rc.d/tomcat6 restart; fi with crontab now looking like so: 0,30 * * * * /usr/local/bin/bash /root/java_restart/java_restart.sh Sleep works fine but tomcat still isn't getting restarted...... In terms of paths this is what I'm doing: I'm in a FreeBSD jail logged in by - #jexec tcsh which gets me in as root. Crontab is being run as root so paths should be the same no? Hmm..... am puzzled! Kaya From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 13:57:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0BD106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593158FC0A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so2511701wer.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:57:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bhXw3OJIDsyp6g45iUX/8je3dbwGem3uAMt2UqTA1jI=; b=hL9KIuay5nMrWRsUZ9umApowy2zQcb0txiajhmQTy2jWeDEy8NqCevOh+rGMwPwo/P BIXF0evTiIjxFh8+2Bfq3fFjzJwV7FeIphX2/h1RFerlD6sG2bWHOLjCtsOhcljk2tq5 nslFyuSLaX2gA2G1MQxV5jIKJupci0iUpFncE= Received: by 10.180.95.199 with SMTP id dm7mr13358521wib.9.1325944667232; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fi6sm147002462wib.2.2012.01.07.05.57.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 05:57:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:57:43 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120107135743.6aa5a6bd@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4F084AAD.3050301@gmail.com> References: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> <20120107132234.31d04a1c@gumby.homeunix.com> <4F084AAD.3050301@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Having problems running shell script from crontab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:57:48 -0000 On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:37:49 +0200 Kaya Saman wrote: n terms of paths this is what I'm doing: I'm in a FreeBSD jail > logged in by - #jexec tcsh > > which gets me in as root. Crontab is being run as root so paths > should be the same no? PATH is set at the top of /etc/crontab From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 14:30:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7318E106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFAF8FC15 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q07EUMvW023003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:30:23 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q07EUMvW023003 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1325946623; bh=KMwiAR0WNz+oIIYTlxQZYCGe05ByZVZexlZMTu5rWQY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=O40AaSHhpOjRSIsYmDMbTfsip6X5x4vdKP2x3cQ/ufCsHuc+ZFeTS26Zan+CaRZ6r xqXx3MMO78DLdrJfs0dyYhgzVXIZSMTlyjhevEnxe4vm4fQ9Yt5dwT+Ma3NjbPPh4t 6UBXyqEKnqL62AARNqhNQuuxXvJCgujPSiG/hr6Y= Message-ID: <4F0856F6.1060207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:30:14 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> <20120107132234.31d04a1c@gumby.homeunix.com> <4F084AAD.3050301@gmail.com> <20120107135743.6aa5a6bd@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20120107135743.6aa5a6bd@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4788070ACC52CF3D71C56869" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Having problems running shell script from crontab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:30:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4788070ACC52CF3D71C56869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/01/2012 13:57, RW wrote: > On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:37:49 +0200 > Kaya Saman wrote: >=20 > n terms of paths this is what I'm doing: I'm in a FreeBSD jail >> logged in by - #jexec tcsh >> >> which gets me in as root. Crontab is being run as root so paths >> should be the same no? No -- you can't assume that. The correct thing to do is to set $PATH within your script, then it should stand a much improved chance of running correctly irrespective of how it gets started. Add a line like this near the top of the script: export PATH=3D/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbi= n That should be good enough for most purposes, but feel free to modify if needed. Another debugging tip: add set -x or set -v -x towards the top of the script and you'll get a trace of what the script does e-mailed to you. (Well, e-mailed to root, but I assume yould've been reading root's mailbox anyhow, or redirected the root e-mails to somewhere more useful.) > PATH is set at the top of /etc/crontab Well, yes. However that only helps for the scripts run out of /etc/crontab. If the OP has done the right thing and left /etc/crontab alone, but instead set up a root crontab by running # crontab -u root -e then that wouldn't help at all. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig4788070ACC52CF3D71C56869 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8IVv4ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzG3ACfaCFjTzX/coX7d0DOPON6w6R2 nu8AoIh2OKOy/Y+6wQn6sM9PgsqNzKxB =WVT1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4788070ACC52CF3D71C56869-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 14:31:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79837106566B for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:31:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayasaman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C008FC1E for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdr11 with SMTP id dr11so308088wgb.31 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:31:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0c1hEu8VfTZY28HlM+YvQY23THgBk028t587jnq6kbI=; b=QsWWsVTv1+/klnyjg9k1EtgWxCDdlBwVf1QHk8gnMVVzedye5QCOrhDcgiY2dT39oW 9wC0AO9RdWbU+YfJh0unYhlKn1Ef/ico7QHMxxFAc0q7tOIvW2vlnEPdP1l4P8/QjCil kbDJoa7HjZ0X6Mn7wUekz3qTMRo5ZMR5Pzo0Y= Received: by 10.180.88.97 with SMTP id bf1mr13416066wib.10.1325946713860; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from Hp2230s.localhost (81-178-2-118.dsl.pipex.com. [81.178.2.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f36sm28708183wbo.10.2012.01.07.06.31.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:31:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F08574C.5020001@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:31:40 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111115 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> <20120107132234.31d04a1c@gumby.homeunix.com> <4F084AAD.3050301@gmail.com> <20120107135743.6aa5a6bd@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20120107135743.6aa5a6bd@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Having problems running shell script from crontab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:31:55 -0000 On 01/07/2012 03:57 PM, RW wrote: > On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:37:49 +0200 > Kaya Saman wrote: > > n terms of paths this is what I'm doing: I'm in a FreeBSD jail >> logged in by - #jexec tcsh >> >> which gets me in as root. Crontab is being run as root so paths >> should be the same no? > PATH is set at the top of /etc/crontab > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Ok, sorry for being slow but I still don't understand how the PATH variable is connected to restarting tomcat? This is the default PATH in /etc/crontab: PATH=/etc:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin but where my script seems to not work well when run is at this point: /usr/local/etc/rc.d/tomcat6 restart Does this mean that putting :/usr/local/etc to the PATH statement will enable crontab to understand the .../etc/rc.d/ script variables? I think where I'm getting confused is that I'm using 'absolute' paths and my knowledge of the PATH is when one wants to run a command specifically from a shell; as in 'top'. so you wouldn't need to run /usr/bin/top. Regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 14:43:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7CB106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayasaman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91FD8FC15 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werb13 with SMTP id b13so2534174wer.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:43:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hCMmiqX0g67SEG+L7QOj/5dZLUl+L5sWQkemR+TuzuA=; b=h0RytjK5+ClFShc7YvnaQykAsVbfj/Cc83T97Epmg+OKR9m5txtVMQaxI+NWFnEF+d tA5RUAZT+hdNaeNgTo+V04KZY1QQcXoIEYvz6F+UxTTH39YkRk9p5tKBKRjrR618c7t5 doSmfSHsLo242zpZbH6Pkik4EyV4KYYA/frPw= Received: by 10.216.132.20 with SMTP id n20mr744351wei.54.1325947413594; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from Hp2230s.localhost (81-178-2-118.dsl.pipex.com. [81.178.2.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gf8sm23350590wbb.11.2012.01.07.06.43.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:43:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F085A08.5060502@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:43:20 +0200 From: Kaya Saman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111115 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F0838DF.40006@gmail.com> <20120107132234.31d04a1c@gumby.homeunix.com> <4F084AAD.3050301@gmail.com> <20120107135743.6aa5a6bd@gumby.homeunix.com> <4F0856F6.1060207@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F0856F6.1060207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Having problems running shell script from crontab X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 14:43:35 -0000 On 01/07/2012 04:30 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 07/01/2012 13:57, RW wrote: >> On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:37:49 +0200 >> Kaya Saman wrote: >> >> n terms of paths this is what I'm doing: I'm in a FreeBSD jail >>> logged in by - #jexec tcsh >>> >>> which gets me in as root. Crontab is being run as root so paths >>> should be the same no? > No -- you can't assume that. The correct thing to do is to set $PATH > within your script, then it should stand a much improved chance of > running correctly irrespective of how it gets started. Add a line like > this near the top of the script: > > export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin > > That should be good enough for most purposes, but feel free to modify if > needed. > > Another debugging tip: add > > set -x > > or > > set -v -x > > towards the top of the script and you'll get a trace of what the script > does e-mailed to you. (Well, e-mailed to root, but I assume yould've > been reading root's mailbox anyhow, or redirected the root e-mails to > somewhere more useful.) > >> PATH is set at the top of /etc/crontab > Well, yes. However that only helps for the scripts run out of > /etc/crontab. If the OP has done the right thing and left /etc/crontab > alone, but instead set up a root crontab by running > > # crontab -u root -e > > then that wouldn't help at all. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > Thanks Matthew!!! :-) Exporting the PATH variable was the key, although I did add the debugging tip in for good measure. So luckily all is solved now. Thanks everyone for all the help and advice! Best regards, Kaya From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 15:44:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4A8106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc1.surewest.net (rc1.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2408FC08 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc1.surewest.net ({dfaaa318-551d-4a0a-8038-7c31cf31c4f6}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120107154429818 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:44:29 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp3.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9493989629 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 07:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C3F49C12F for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 07:44:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBC001657DE for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 07:44:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1325951067; bh=cunyIMXr2/6vugEAZNFEeunPbr3yIskkjL7/tl5O1SA=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KON8wf86LQcrUA5rlrHUxcK1L5Gvx6d+Su1Xrb6H87YH0NyXwLgzp+34Hc+Te2wln nsJwCg8c6Z8Bf/IGhxew1Zim9LfoSiW16w/XC25FkcIMf2DOTezNtx9ugt60RYxazP Y6LjHodzeitagT3icoVWaUvSNJRRV1umCNA7tTD8= Message-ID: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 07:44:12 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120107-0, 01/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: ZFS Root Won't Mount - Unknown Filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:44:35 -0000 I'm attempting a new install of 9.0-RC3 amd64. My system has 4 500 GB drives. Using this tutorial as a guide: http://www.aisecure.net/2011/11/28/root-zfs-freebsd9/ I created a boot and a freebsd-zfs partition on each drive. Then I created a raid1z pool using all 4 drives. I followed the rest of the tutorial exactly and ensured that I copied the zpool.cache to boot/zfs. When I try to boot my new system, it all goes fine up until it's time to mount zfs:zroot. It fails with an "error 2" "unknown filesystem" error. I don't know if this means anything but at the mountfrom prompt, the system will not accept any keyboard input. Same keyboard works fine when booted into LiveCD. Unfortunately because I can't figure out how to get a LiveCD type environment with sshd running, I can't copy and paste exact error messages or command outputs. I've searched and the two things that seem to be important are that there's a zpool.cache file and that the zfs partitions are correct. A 'gpart show -l' shows my partitions something close to this: 34 ada0 GPT (456G) 34 128 1 null (128K) 162 2 disk0 (456G) What have I done wrong and what do I need to do to get my zfs:zroot pool mounted as root? Thanks, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 16:14:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EFC1065780 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:14:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ADF68FC15 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:14:08 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=MBePA2AHqzBfI8TxpXIqvgVrE2Kn2KZg6IhqgBA8T1o=; b=W/dPqFS2la2Cj0pXX/jaX/gbKEwRDmTkLWW3b1SFA29chGYSyVPQsCcHeqZqHbG4bbzMhhPycHGW8j/iygUjx3/Pr/AkxyhR34ZSoeCI7C6FAqS5qAohGV1NyOoarGPC; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1RjYuF-000PYF-Bu for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:14:07 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1325952841-88972-88971/5/7; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:14:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:14:00 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.61 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Subject: Re: ZFS Root Won't Mount - Unknown Filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:14:08 -0000 Hi Drew, I'm pretty sure you can't run a RAIDZ as your root pool. That's likely the problem. Kind of sucks, I know :-( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 16:29:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07CD1065670 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509878FC14 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so1157752lah.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:29:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UYMmVqyPGenjyMH7ahqIWBuuyJyGzWmov/5CpZNUfc4=; b=Aw6efJZ/JawQXUQNheEscFnxeX+YR//737fJWlwaI9eZ+He7/ZRkcXn+CWnZivictK auvaXvbEZP9xAZ/WzxTUOeii+JBDE2pua22t+zEXm9+dnqXOBGvVDMIMS2+lUhqVI5ne REjNvLnR1OCKAGWeBD/Uj9+kT5FiQNHpi/Yjs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.100.200 with SMTP id fa8mr1906787lbb.99.1325953741938; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.94.39 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 08:29:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: APseudoUtopia To: Mark Felder , drew@mykitchentable.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Root Won't Mount - Unknown Filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:29:03 -0000 On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Mark Felder wrote: > Hi Drew, > > I'm pretty sure you can't run a RAIDZ as your root pool. That's likely the > problem. Kind of sucks, I know :-( > You can use raidz1 as your root pool. I'm running it right now on my 9.0 system. Drew: My first suggestion is to confirm that you added the proper options in /boot/loader.conf. Mine looks like this: vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot" zfs_load="YES" In addition, zfs_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf to automount the other zfs filesystems, such as /usr, /var, or whichever ones you setup. Did you set the proper mountpoints on your zfs filesystems before rebooting? As in, `zfs set mountpoint=legacy zroot` and `zfs set mountpoint=/usr zroot/usr` and so on, for each for your file systems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 16:30:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92719106566B for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DF28FC13 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF18C37 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:30:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 11:29:56 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <5AC7178E01E1081B096EDAEA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: ZFS Root Won't Mount - Unknown Filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:30:38 -0000 --As of January 7, 2012 10:14:00 AM -0600, Mark Felder is alleged to have said: > Hi Drew, > > I'm pretty sure you can't run a RAIDZ as your root pool. That's likely > the problem. Kind of sucks, I know :-( --As for the rest, it is mine. I've been running RAIDZ as a root pool for months. (Under 8.x, not 9.) That's not the problem. ;) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 16:39:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A78E106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:39:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDCB8FC08 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q07GdlO3061391; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:39:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q07GdkRg061388; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:39:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:39:46 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Drew Tomlinson In-Reply-To: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> Message-ID: References: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:39:47 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Root Won't Mount - Unknown Filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:39:48 -0000 On Sat, 7 Jan 2012, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > Unfortunately because I can't figure out how to get a LiveCD type environment > with sshd running, I can't copy and paste exact error messages or command > outputs. Martin Matuska's excellent mfsBSD can do that: http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ One of the new FreeBSD-9 install CDs can probably do it also, but may have a different version of ZFS. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 16:46:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6782106566C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4048D8FC08 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:46:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES128-SHA (128 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:46:56 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:46:46 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120107174646.70727de2@mpw> In-Reply-To: <20120107131701.1bba983d@mpw> References: <20120107131701.1bba983d@mpw> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 9.0-STABLE custom kernel interrupt storm irq10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:46:59 -0000 On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:17:01 +0100 Bas Smeelen wrote: > Hi all, > > After updating the sources to 9.0-STABLE and building a custom kernel > I get a interrupt storm on irq10, from messages I get that different > devices use irq10. It starts after loading ums0 and wlan0 and ath0 > times out then. I guess device apic is mandatory Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 17:40:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8324106574C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:40:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc2.surewest.net (rc2.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767218FC17 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc2.surewest.net ({1b970212-ad71-403b-a2dd-d897d2565e71}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120107173621508; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:36:21 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp4.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A0989528; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C39469C08D; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E59DD1657E9; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:36:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1325957780; bh=LrL5r89tetp6syL9aR790P7mc4LGYajYaBrLT6+MLJE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=f0xVxVS5vZ1ID4T52Q7eIzSe3kYX8lShzKeml94791j2Yu5eC11ipcJTH07oPiGbG 180LnsVR9zQUZulignHTgARHAa5RgCohk6JLF7V3fX7efSYhYtYncxY9LDPw9x01yL PiYOXSA1KX/U7lPOuuYZTgQMZajvU5X+nUM1pOwc= Message-ID: <4F088283.7070407@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:36:03 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: APseudoUtopia References: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120107-0, 01/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Mark Felder , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Root Won't Mount - Unknown Filesystem -- SOLVED X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:40:17 -0000 On 1/7/2012 8:29 AM, APseudoUtopia wrote: > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Mark Felder wrote: >> Hi Drew, >> >> I'm pretty sure you can't run a RAIDZ as your root pool. That's likely the >> problem. Kind of sucks, I know :-( >> > You can use raidz1 as your root pool. I'm running it right now on my 9.0 system. > > Drew: My first suggestion is to confirm that you added the proper > options in /boot/loader.conf. Mine looks like this: > > vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot" > zfs_load="YES" Thank you for your reply. This was my problem. I had the zfs_load="YES" in /etc/rc.conf, not /boot/loader.conf. > In addition, zfs_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf to automount the > other zfs filesystems, such as /usr, /var, or whichever ones you > setup. > > Did you set the proper mountpoints on your zfs filesystems before > rebooting? As in, `zfs set mountpoint=legacy zroot` and `zfs set > mountpoint=/usr zroot/usr` and so on, for each for your file systems. Yes, although I've read that 'zfs set mountpoint=/ zroot' is acceptable as well. I set mine to "/" after trying to import pool with '-o altroot=/mnt' in LiveCD. When mountpoint was "legacy", altroot didn't work right. Opinions on "/" vs. "legacy"? Thanks for your help. Cheers, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 17:40:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFBB106577A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from rc2.surewest.net (rc2.surewest.net [66.60.130.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8D08FC0A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc2.surewest.net ({1b970212-ad71-403b-a2dd-d897d2565e71}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120107173658568; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:36:58 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from smtpauth.surewest.net (smtpauth.surewest.net [66.60.130.153]) by smtp4.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71D989528; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (unknown [69.62.230.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtpauth.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4F999C24E; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9A001657E9; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:36:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=mykitchentable.net; s=default; t=1325957817; bh=cMXBVcP+66a7VDoe0BSVKuSDs8gSLK4IJeKqSFNqbjY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D3fXPddG1Zgl07H0FxJDz9IDAzjtd/2PjbgmkPEoX6A+5kveN0NU6D8jV3BJPxJMU xvoOiTFrjc8yA9WleFhWEyPPpp+xzZKTuj7qjdE/G0S/WOvYbUUheCuR1jZPjM0jqA 0pa8MPcjlUcP3bqZdknOfA9jN4/oACmBnog9hjrw= Message-ID: <4F0882AB.2070005@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 09:36:43 -0800 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120107-0, 01/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS Root Won't Mount - Unknown Filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:40:19 -0000 On 1/7/2012 8:39 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 7 Jan 2012, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > >> Unfortunately because I can't figure out how to get a LiveCD type >> environment with sshd running, I can't copy and paste exact error >> messages or command outputs. > > Martin Matuska's excellent mfsBSD can do that: > http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ Thank you. I will try this. Cheers, Drew -- Like card tricks? Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse to learn card magic secrets for free! http://alchemistswarehouse.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 18:23:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03681065670 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:23:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947728FC12 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:23:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=+TIN+TZ0Te9FHlVY0INWpt98MMzjtyvVC/nUR2Z8V5o=; b=nyGKxo2lDg3fHZr/rtCGMRZtl3o9ZXPTKwD6bdA53dtbeciTraa89Lnigjw3HiYS3a+g1IGij+r+MF/NMl7jHEpfOk7vz/e16YgY5Lh9gdRlZAoL+YnC29grwYdE5ISQ; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1RjavM-00037J-EC for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 12:23:25 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpsa id 1325960598-88972-88971/5/8; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 18:23:18 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <4F08684C.2070809@mykitchentable.net> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:23:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.61 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.0 Cc: Subject: Re: ZFS Root Won't Mount - Unknown Filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 18:23:25 -0000 On Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:29:01 -0600, wrote: > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Mark Felder wrote: >> Hi Drew, >> >> I'm pretty sure you can't run a RAIDZ as your root pool. That's likely >> the >> problem. Kind of sucks, I know :-( >> > > You can use raidz1 as your root pool. I'm running it right now on my 9.0 > system. > I believe back in 8-STABLE for a while it wasn't functional. Or I'm crazy. Glad to hear it's working now though! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 21:47:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A72106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FD88FC12 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so6498221iad.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:47:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ru5eZ/LqVZDPsyz0ZDALhqaWjLUbRBVNOOfDxhnsJD8=; b=EncuSiT/YsGgkRFvdgeZWU0A/PYrZGVPFQBQmX+WlcINZ035cmFD8krbGQG+UVFFHC BtIg5rQJrQ2nlBQhLOgeSsbAVfqPMCdzbf6sqnfRPC8kkEdpdamQXlwXuPkKV+RZMcKf 4iUSk5nrm+Y0QDRTzD1V+cE8yPPwlhBAGC6B8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.131.7 with SMTP id x7mr10455255ics.11.1325972833109; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 13:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.31.65 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:47:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:47:13 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: FreeBSD Questions List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: xfce4 / gtk-update-icon-cache fails with "cairo needs X11" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:47:13 -0000 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > Hi, > > I am doing a fresh install of FreeBSD 9.0-RC3 > from FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img on an Acer Aspire One > netbook. Last night I attempted to install xfce4 from /usr/ports/x11-wm and > it stopped with error: > > gtk-update-icon-cache-(version): Needs cairo build with X11 support > > (sorry, don't recall version off the top of my head) I remember that cairo > was installed before getting to gtk-update-icon-cache. I checked > /etc/make.conf and there is nothing X11 related, ie WITHOUT_X11 is NOT set. > I went over to /usr/ports/graphics/cairo and did a make config, did not see > anything about X11 as an option, did a make install clean and I saw libX11 > in the output.. Think it's ok. Then I went back to /usr/ports/x11-wm/xfce4 > and redid make install clean to build... it continued on without further > issue (so far :) > > I found another post about gtk-update-icon-cache and cairo/X11 but it does > not appear to be a related issue. > > At the moment the xfce4 build is working for me, so my issue is resolved.. > But not sure why I received the error, might be something to check out? Is > there a better place to report potential issues with RC versions? > > Excited about 9 on the netbook, I tried FreeBSD 7.0 when i first got the > Acer but could not get wireless working at the time so i scrapped it. > > Thanks, > > Waitman Gobble > San Jose California USA > Hit another snag, seems to be related to doxygen. (still) Installing xfce4 from /usr/ports/x11-wm with a fresh install of FreeBSD 9.0-RC3 / FreeBSD-9.0-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img on an Acer Aspire One netbook... Seems to be going in an infinite loop of dependency checking. I'm getting a 'make max recursion 500 error' and the build bombs out. Just to see I went to /usr/ports/devel/doxygen and make clean then make install with same results. Just now starting to troubleshoot but if anyone has any hints that would be great! :) Thanks Waitman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 23:05:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54249106566C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:05:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net) Received: from rc1.surewest.net (rc1.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333418FC1E for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp3.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc1.surewest.net ({dfaaa318-551d-4a0a-8038-7c31cf31c4f6}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120107230556621 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 23:05:56 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from ms5.mc.surewest.net (hansolo.surewest.net [64.30.98.104]) by smtp3.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163F089455 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ms5.mc.surewest.net [192.168.60.103]) by ms5.mc.surewest.net (MOS 4.1.8-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id BYL92929 (AUTH leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net); Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:05:55 -0800 (PST) From: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 4.1.8-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20120107150555.BYL92929@ms5.mc.surewest.net> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:05:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 23:05:58 -0000 Greetings, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I am tearing my hair out trying to get FreeBSD 8.2 operating on my Hewlett-Packard xw4400 workstation. I am a newcomer to FreeBSD. This workstation is used by several different people. Normally, only one of them is logged in at any given time. I have several questions and concerns. (1) Does anyone know how to get FreeBSD to read the motherboard name? This name, on an xw4400, starts with "HP" followed by a eleven digits, and is given in Windows XP as "Full Computer Name" on the "Computer Name" tab of the "System Properties" window. Among other purposes, this name is used by Novell network operating system to distinguish hosts on a subnet. (2) I cannot get the "find" command to locate files that I believe were installed at the time of sysinstall. If I understand the Handbook correctly, when one runs "find" from the "/" directory, it is supposed to inspect all directories and subdirectories of all partitions, which it is not doing. What concept am I missing here? (3) I thought that I would obtain a better understanding of the file system by running "man heir." This command runs fine under "sh." When I switch to my preferred shell, which is "bash," I type, and receive echo on the screen, "man hei." As soon as I depress "r," the entire previously entered command echos to the screen, starting where the "r" should have appeared. In checking the bash manual, it says that this response is correct for "control-r." I could not find "non-shift-r" to be called out as a command. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a hardware bug? Is this a software bug? Is there something that needs to be defined or undefined in a configuration file? (4) Not having very good luck with the "find" command, I thought I would try to use the "locate" command. To use this command, one must create a database. On www.us-webmasters.com, I read that this database could be constructed by running the command "#usr/libexec/locate.updatedb." I entered "cd" to get to this directory, I entered "ls -lt" to read the directory and to verify that it contained a file named "locate.updatedb," which it did. But when I entered "locate.updatedb" at the command prompt, I received the response "command not found." Why can the command shell not find the command when "ls" clearly indicates it to exist in the current directory? How do I, as a user, distinguish an executable binary file from a data file? FreeBSD does not seem to use file extension labels for this purpose. (5) What device driver must be installed for the sound board to be able to receive a m.i.d.i. over u.s.b. signal? This signal would be generated by a musician's keyboard, and would control a music synthesizer application, to be installed. I could find no mention of this topic in the Handbook. (6) In the book "Absolute FreeBSD" by Urban and Tiemann, I found a two line command to cause the bash prompt to display the file path and current directory. Unfortunately, the text is quite unclear as to the name of the file to which these line are to be added, or the directory in which this file is located. I assume that somewhere there must be login configuration files, bearing each user's name, that give his or her shell configuration instructions. What are the names of such files, and where are they located? Any and all comments and instruction on these points are sorely needed and will be much appreciated. Special thanks to those who responded to my previous message on this general topic. Sincerely, --Lee From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 23:07:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C2E1065670 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202618FC12 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F363D259; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 00:07:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q07N79mO002399; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 00:07:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 00:07:09 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Marco Beishuizen Message-Id: <20120108000709.d46ae36d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: creating a bootable iso for raid BIOS flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 23:07:11 -0000 On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 17:22:57 +0100 (CET), Marco Beishuizen wrote: > After that I tried to create the iso with: > root@yokozuna:/data2/tmp# mkisofs -r -J -b [BOOT]/Bootable_HardDisk.img > -hard-disk-boot -o raid.iso /data2/tmp > which gives an error: mkisofs: No match > > First I thought the directory name [BOOT] was weird so I changed this to > BOOT. Running mkisofs -r -J -b BOOT/Bootable_HardDisk.img -hard-disk-boot > -o raid.iso /data2/tmp creates an iso, but when I burn this to a cd it > doesn't boot. If this is depending on the name "[BOOT]", there are two ways to deal with special characters in file names, if you need to specify them on the command line: a) use escape sequences: -b \[BOOT\]/Bootable_HardDisk.img b) use quoting: -b "[BOOT]/Bootable_HardDisk.img" Also read "man mkisofs" about the boot-related options, especially -b, where If the boot image is not an image of a floppy, you need to add one of the options: -hard-disk-boot or -no-emul-boot. If the system should not boot off the emulated disk, use -no-boot. is mentioned. Maybe consider using -G instead of -b? > Strange thing also is the fact that the original iso has the size of > ~17MB, but the created iso by me is ~10MB. So it seems I'm missing some > files. You can mount the ISO you've generated and look inside to find out which files may be missing, or if there are differences in file sizes. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 23:21:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD13106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsdlisten@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919C18FC16 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaaf13 with SMTP id f13so2292540eaa.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:21:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=v0TfJck3cS/OdKZ2xXsYoyUBHU8L4hU8TMb1PcpBYZI=; b=UQNL/wfWYATLqe0hffS98USBg6O3tNT8mtYyDlLwb0s+ujEimpCrYK+BOwfFWkdMyn d0ZShL6iHGFTl/gJmdseq86RXeOt4mPsuWO6Q1/N7pPpsiN9NUIC2M8E3niPTwdbGruP XnVHIB+pOhndXRWfizq32hmLd5Jq4rkF3EMcA= Received: by 10.213.34.84 with SMTP id k20mr576209ebd.17.1325978499081; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.105] ([89.47.83.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e12sm117814643eea.5.2012.01.07.15.21.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Jan 2012 15:21:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F08D37A.7090001@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 01:21:30 +0200 From: Rares Aioanei User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111114 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net References: <20120107150555.BYL92929@ms5.mc.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <20120107150555.BYL92929@ms5.mc.surewest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 23:21:41 -0000 On 01/08/2012 01:05 AM, leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote: > Greetings, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I am tearing my hair out trying to get FreeBSD 8.2 operating on my Hewlett-Packard xw4400 workstation. I am a newcomer to FreeBSD. This workstation is used by several different people. Normally, only one of them is logged in at any given time. I have several questions and concerns. > > (1) Does anyone know how to get FreeBSD to read the motherboard name? This name, on an xw4400, starts with "HP" followed by a eleven digits, and is given in Windows XP as "Full Computer Name" on the "Computer Name" tab of the "System Properties" window. Among other purposes, this name is used by Novell network operating system to distinguish hosts on a subnet. > > (2) I cannot get the "find" command to locate files that I believe were installed at the time of sysinstall. If I understand the Handbook correctly, when one runs "find" from the "/" directory, it is supposed to inspect all directories and subdirectories of all partitions, which it is not doing. What concept am I missing here? man find and "find / -name pattern" > (3) I thought that I would obtain a better understanding of the file system by running "man heir." This command runs fine under "sh." When I switch to my preferred shell, which is "bash," I type, and receive echo on the screen, "man hei." As soon as I depress "r," the entire previously entered command echos to the screen, starting where the "r" should have appeared. In checking the bash manual, it says that this response is correct for "control-r." I could not find "non-shift-r" to be called out as a command. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a hardware bug? Is this a software bug? Is there something that needs to be defined or undefined in a configuration file? Do you mean "man hier"? > (4) Not having very good luck with the "find" command, I thought I would try to use the "locate" command. To use this command, one must create a database. On www.us-webmasters.com, I read that this database could be constructed by running the command "#usr/libexec/locate.updatedb." I entered "cd" to get to this directory, I entered "ls -lt" to read the directory and to verify that it contained a file named "locate.updatedb," which it did. But when I entered "locate.updatedb" at the command prompt, I received the response "command not found." Why can the command shell not find the command when "ls" clearly indicates it to exist in the current directory? How do I, as a user, distinguish an executable binary file from a data file? FreeBSD does not seem to use file extension labels for this purpose. You are confusing the commands. As the name implies, locate.updatedb is to be used with locate, not find. Try man whereis and /usr/libexec. > (5) What device driver must be installed for the sound board to be able to receive a m.i.d.i. over u.s.b. signal? This signal would be generated by a musician's keyboard, and would control a music synthesizer application, to be installed. I could find no mention of this topic in the Handbook. What hardware do you have? > (6) In the book "Absolute FreeBSD" by Urban and Tiemann, I found a two line command to cause the bash prompt to display the file path and current directory. Unfortunately, the text is quite unclear as to the name of the file to which these line are to be added, or the directory in which this file is located. I assume that somewhere there must be login configuration files, bearing each user's name, that give his or her shell configuration instructions. What are the names of such files, and where are they located? Try .bashrc. The variable is named PS1. > Any and all comments and instruction on these points are sorely needed and will be much appreciated. Special thanks to those who responded to my previous message on this general topic. Sincerely, --Lee > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Rares Aioanei From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 7 23:32:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D471065670 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:32:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4AB8FC0C for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:32:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-26-82.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.26.82]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB3A3D1FD; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 00:32:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q07NWP1n002478; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 00:32:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 00:32:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Message-Id: <20120108003225.dc64798a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120107150555.BYL92929@ms5.mc.surewest.net> References: <20120107150555.BYL92929@ms5.mc.surewest.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD ver. 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 23:32:27 -0000 On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:05:55 -0800 (PST), leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote: > (1) Does anyone know how to get FreeBSD to read the > motherboard name? This name, on an xw4400, starts with > "HP" followed by a eleven digits, and is given in Windows > XP as "Full Computer Name" on the "Computer Name" tab > of the "System Properties" window. Among other purposes, > this name is used by Novell network operating system to > distinguish hosts on a subnet. The OS provides the output of dmesg and maybe the output of pciconf -lv, as well as the sysctl value dev.acpi.0.%desc which may contain the required information. However, I'm sure there is a program in the ports collection that can be used to obtain that kind of information. Try: dmesg | grep "HP" sysctl -a | grep "HP" pciconf -lv | less and see if there's such a number mentioned. Maybe you can also use acpidump to retrieve that information from the ACPI datasets. > (2) I cannot get the "find" command to locate files > that I believe were installed at the time of sysinstall. > If I understand the Handbook correctly, when one runs > "find" from the "/" directory, it is supposed to inspect > all directories and subdirectories of all partitions, > which it is not doing. What concept am I missing here? It would be easier to answer if you could provide the find command line you've been running. :-) See "man find" for more information. Basically, "find / -name -type f" should be sufficient to access all partitions currently mounted to search for specified regular files. > (3) I thought that I would obtain a better understanding > of the file system by running "man heir." This command > runs fine under "sh." When I switch to my preferred shell, > which is "bash," I type, and receive echo on the screen, > "man hei." As soon as I depress "r," the entire previously > entered command echos to the screen, starting where the > "r" should have appeared. In checking the bash manual, it > says that this response is correct for "control-r." I > could not find "non-shift-r" to be called out as a command. > Am I doing something wrong? Is this a hardware bug? Is > this a software bug? Is there something that needs to be > defined or undefined in a configuration file? No, bash's configuration files provided after install should be fine. However, I think you have a typo. The command you're intending to run is "man hier" ("hierarchy"). I've tested both csh and bash here, both allow the command to be entered without any interruption. When I type "man hei" followed by Ctrl+R, I get the following output: "(reverse-i-search)`': man hei". > (4) Not having very good luck with the "find" command, > I thought I would try to use the "locate" command. > To use this command, one must create a database. > On www.us-webmasters.com, I read that this database > could be constructed by running the command > "#usr/libexec/locate.updatedb." The required task is usually executed by the system's "night job" at 3:00 once a week. The script that will be run is /etc/periodic/weekly/310.locate which you could run manually. It will deal with the correct call of /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb (instead of running it as root!). > I entered "cd" to get to this directory, I entered > "ls -lt" to read the directory and to verify that it > contained a file named "locate.updatedb," which it did. > But when I entered "locate.updatedb" at the command > prompt, I received the response "command not found." > Why can the command shell not find the command when > "ls" clearly indicates it to exist in the current > directory? Because execution of programs will only be done from directories that are listed in $PATH. Check the output of "echo $PATH" and you'll see that /usr/libexec is not on that list. Intendedly. You need to explicitely call such programs with the full pathname, or from within the directory by prefixing it with ./, e. g. "./locate.updatedb". However, doing that as user or as root is not the correct way to perform the required action. Call the script from /etc/periodic instead to issue the building of the database now. > How do I, as a user, distinguish an executable binary > file from a data file? This is done by file attributes. The "executable" bit must be set. Shells that call the ls command have the ability to use a color scheme and a suffix to show this directly: % ll /etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.local -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1563 Aug 24 06:43 /etc/rc.conf -rwxr----- 1 root wheel 602 Dec 11 2009 /etc/rc.local* The asterisk indicates an executable, as well as the "x" in the attributes field at the beginning. Furthermore, the filename "/etc/rc.local" appears in bright green color. For the C shell, use setenv LSCOLORS ExGxdxdxCxDxDxBxBxegeg and for bash, use export LSCOLORS="ExGxdxdxCxDxDxBxBxegeg" to configure the colors. See "man ls" for details. Oh, and the "ll" from my example is "ls -laFG" which also includes the suffix to indicate the type of file (directory, executable, pipe and so on). > FreeBSD does not seem to use file extension labels for > this purpose. No, why should anyone do that? It's dangerous! :-) > (5) What device driver must be installed for the sound > board to be able to receive a m.i.d.i. over u.s.b. signal? > This signal would be generated by a musician's keyboard, > and would control a music synthesizer application, to be > installed. I could find no mention of this topic in the > Handbook. I'm not familiar with "modern" USB hardware for that purpose. My MIDI times are long over, sorry. :-) > (6) In the book "Absolute FreeBSD" by Urban and Tiemann, > I found a two line command to cause the bash prompt to > display the file path and current directory. Unfortunately, > the text is quite unclear as to the name of the file to > which these line are to be added, or the directory in which > this file is located. I assume that somewhere there must > be login configuration files, bearing each user's name, > that give his or her shell configuration instructions. > What are the names of such files, and where are they > located? I've put my prompt configuration for bash in ~/.-bashrc locally to my user, and the setting for a standard UNIX prompt is export PS1="\u@\h:\w\$ " which I have in that file. You can find more suggestions at http://www.gilesorr.com/bashprompt/prompts/ for customizing your bash prompt. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...