From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 12 12:05:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BD9106566C for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:05:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195108FC19 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (manning.torservers.net [173.254.192.36]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C2A235B10; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:10:38 +0400 (MSK) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:44:35 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120212114432.GA8989@external.screwed.box> References: <201201140722.09392.lumiwa@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201201140722.09392.lumiwa@gmail.com> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Cc: lumiwa@gmail.com Subject: Re: graphics tablets X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:05:59 -0000 Hello. 2012/01/14 07:22:09 -0600 ajtiM => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : a> I like to buy a Wacom Bamboo Capture graphics tablet (USB or serial if I will a> find it. I have FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE and I use GIMP and Inkscape on KDE 4.7.3. a> Does anyone has expirience with a Bamboo Capture, please? Bamboo Fun is 'just ok' to me but: - pros use to prefer Intuos series. - it's a pretty old releng_7 series freebsd and a deprecated xorg-server-1.6.5 - recently a progress was reported here about wacom driver i didn't try out yet - I experience some non-trivial quirks able to bother someone else with such a setup -- Peter Vereshagin (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 12 13:33:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F9A106566C for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A328FC13 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbg15 with SMTP id g15so2669460ghb.13 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.123.47 with SMTP id u35mr15874878yhh.115.1329053611062; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:33:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a14sm28798325ana.20.2012.02.12.05.33.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Tm9vC5kshz2CG44 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:33:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 08:33:27 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlHe93DzzCjqO2GPyCelu/7Ff+Vd5WAwjUpPh7LS42GTcTVOL/SqiIQY3JA7rOkHxaZAeqF Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:33:34 -0000 On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:17:29 +0100 Polytropon articulated: > On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:21:59 +0100, Ouyang Xueyu wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have Freebsd 8.2 and CUPS installed and try to print on my > > Brother MFC 7840W printer. The printer is accessible by a static IP > > address, is configured in CUPS but everytime I only get blank pages > > when I'm trying to print. > > > > Does anybody know a solution for this behaviour? > > The technical specification of the printer at > > http://www.brother-usa.com/mfc/modeldetail.aspx?PRODUCTID=MFC7840W#.TzbkwOsS-Jo > > indicates that it does understand PCL. Just for testing, > you could try to _not_ use CUPS and send PCL to the printer > directly, either by the system's spooling mechanism (which > seems to be considered "depricated" now as the big desktop > environments and some "stand-alonge" applications consider > CUPS the only printing interface, which they seem to hardcode > into the programs) or by the direct way, using its network > connection (which is a good thing, better than USB in my > opinion). > > Really - if the specifications say the printer can do PCL > and has some kind of PS, why should it be complicated to get > that "excellent" capabilities working with CUPS? > > Here is a simple test that you can use: > > First print something from an application (web browser, > text processing program, image manipulator etc.), but send > the output to a file. Most print dialogs offer a "print to > file" choice. Save the result to /tmp/print.ps - I'll use > this name for demonstration, you can use any other name. > > Then verify what you've printed to be a PostScript file. > > % file /tmp/print.ps > /tmp/print.ps: PostScript document text conforming DSC level > 3. > > You can verify the content to be printed using any PS viewer, > e. g. gv or gs, or whatever comes with your desktop environment. > > If it is a valid PS file, you can do two things: > > a) Test if the printer's BR-Script3 is PS-compatible: > > % nc 192.168.123.456 9100 < /tmp/print.ps > > Let's assume that 192.168.123.456 is the IP of the printer. :-) > > Let's also assume that port 9100 is the port where the printer > accepts jobs. Some printers use different ports for their > different "personalities". See the documentation which port > to use. If unsure, leave it blank. > > b) Test if the printer does understand PCL. > > Same assumptions apply. > > % printf "\033&k2G" | nc 192.168.123.456 9100 > % gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dSAFER \ > -sDEVICE=ljet4 -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -r600x600 \ > -sOutputFile=- /tmp/print.ps | nc 192.168.123.456 9100 > > You can see that this test specifies a "ljet4" printer driver. > This refers to the HP Laserjet 4 and 4000 families, but it does > produce PCL, so it should be fine. > > Report back if this works (i. e. _which_ of them, and if not, > with which unexpected results). If it does work, my suggestion > would be to dump CUPS and use the system's default mechanism > with a "man made" printer filter. It's very easy. Easier than > dealing with the CUPS "blackbox" in my opinion... I can accomplish this on my Brother MFC-9560CDW saving in either "PS" or "PDF" format. In fact, it appears that the industry is moving away from the "ps" format and towards the "pdf" format. However, none of this explains why CUPS has so thoroughly screwed up the printing process, nor why it should demand so much user intervention to set up a printer that on most modern operating systems is trivial at best. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 12 14:29:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C58106564A for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:29:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC068FC13 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F84F5C28 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:43:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D70915C22 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:43:11 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:25:06 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:29:48 -0000 On 02/12/12 23:33, Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:17:29 +0100 > Polytropon articulated: > >> On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:21:59 +0100, Ouyang Xueyu wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have Freebsd 8.2 and CUPS installed and try to print on my >>> Brother MFC 7840W printer. The printer is accessible by a static IP >>> address, is configured in CUPS but everytime I only get blank pages >>> when I'm trying to print. >>> >>> Does anybody know a solution for this behaviour? >> The technical specification of the printer at >> >> http://www.brother-usa.com/mfc/modeldetail.aspx?PRODUCTID=MFC7840W#.TzbkwOsS-Jo >> >> indicates that it does understand PCL. Just for testing, >> you could try to _not_ use CUPS and send PCL to the printer >> directly, either by the system's spooling mechanism (which >> seems to be considered "depricated" now as the big desktop >> environments and some "stand-alonge" applications consider >> CUPS the only printing interface, which they seem to hardcode >> into the programs) or by the direct way, using its network >> connection (which is a good thing, better than USB in my >> opinion). >> >> Really - if the specifications say the printer can do PCL >> and has some kind of PS, why should it be complicated to get >> that "excellent" capabilities working with CUPS? >> >> Here is a simple test that you can use: >> >> First print something from an application (web browser, >> text processing program, image manipulator etc.), but send >> the output to a file. Most print dialogs offer a "print to >> file" choice. Save the result to /tmp/print.ps - I'll use >> this name for demonstration, you can use any other name. >> >> Then verify what you've printed to be a PostScript file. >> >> % file /tmp/print.ps >> /tmp/print.ps: PostScript document text conforming DSC level >> 3. >> >> You can verify the content to be printed using any PS viewer, >> e. g. gv or gs, or whatever comes with your desktop environment. >> >> If it is a valid PS file, you can do two things: >> >> a) Test if the printer's BR-Script3 is PS-compatible: >> >> % nc 192.168.123.456 9100< /tmp/print.ps >> >> Let's assume that 192.168.123.456 is the IP of the printer. :-) >> >> Let's also assume that port 9100 is the port where the printer >> accepts jobs. Some printers use different ports for their >> different "personalities". See the documentation which port >> to use. If unsure, leave it blank. >> >> b) Test if the printer does understand PCL. >> >> Same assumptions apply. >> >> % printf "\033&k2G" | nc 192.168.123.456 9100 >> % gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dSAFER \ >> -sDEVICE=ljet4 -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -r600x600 \ >> -sOutputFile=- /tmp/print.ps | nc 192.168.123.456 9100 >> >> You can see that this test specifies a "ljet4" printer driver. >> This refers to the HP Laserjet 4 and 4000 families, but it does >> produce PCL, so it should be fine. >> >> Report back if this works (i. e. _which_ of them, and if not, >> with which unexpected results). If it does work, my suggestion >> would be to dump CUPS and use the system's default mechanism >> with a "man made" printer filter. It's very easy. Easier than >> dealing with the CUPS "blackbox" in my opinion... > I can accomplish this on my Brother MFC-9560CDW saving in either "PS" or > "PDF" format. In fact, it appears that the industry is moving away from > the "ps" format and towards the "pdf" format. However, none of this > explains why CUPS has so thoroughly screwed up the printing process, > nor why it should demand so much user intervention to set up a printer > that on most modern operating systems is trivial at best. By most modern OS you mean Winblow$? You realise of course that aside from Windows and MS' other colossal clusterfuns they all use lpr and/or cups - I know of quite a few windows installations that use cups as well. I could be ignorant of a couple of OS', but I doubt it (excepting plan9). In the earlier versions (NT based) Windows used to use lpr as well I believe, and I don't think that has changed since. So the differences in setup and installation are minimal and very similar unless I'm very much mistaken and the fairies have come and are installing printers for windows now. Local printers are a slightly different case, but you still need to make some selections and input. Most would call cups trivial as well, and then would put the blame on the manufacturers in errant implementations. But the foomatic project has really done a wonderful job putting together a system that works for some many different models, and a lot of printers have now got offerings of drivers to the linux and open source community. The biggest problem comes with using many interpreters of a single language. Thankfully pcl works on the majority of printers (network), and is practically a standard in the enterprise world, so you're still not marooned with a paper weight :) Unless you're a printshop and/or into graphic arts pcl will be more than sufficient for use. If you are working in graphic arts then I doubt you'd be using a brother or something that doesn't use pure ps anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 12 15:00:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AB4106566B for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2678FC17 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk5 with SMTP id k5so2674884ggn.13 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.175.164 with SMTP id z24mr16078680yhl.84.1329058841022; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm29254439ant.15.2012.02.12.07.00.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:00:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TmCqp5ch3z2CG44 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:00:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:00:38 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120212100038.412369e7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkeSmkBpIrHl/DbqsI9vp3LivTDOI9Qu47KShK5UvDz0+D+liA+6n5eLYAVZICn8EP2iyMo Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:00:44 -0000 On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:25:06 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > The biggest problem comes with using many interpreters of a single > language. Thankfully pcl works on the majority of printers (network), > and is practically a standard in the enterprise world, so you're > still not marooned with a paper weight :) Unless you're a printshop > and/or into graphic arts pcl will be more than sufficient for use. If > you are working in graphic arts then I doubt you'd be using a brother > or something that doesn't use pure ps anyway. You might want to check out: . It appears that "ps" is no-longer the format of choice but is being replaced by PDF, a format that is natively supported by many printers. In addition, there is an active project creating a wrapper framework for the manufacturer's Windows/Mac OS X drivers, like the ndiswrapper for WLAN cards, which is something I suggested a long time ago. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 12 15:16:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6941106566C for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840818FC17 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7DF5C28 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:30:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F08A5C22 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:30:07 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F37D6C2.30303@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:12:02 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120212100038.412369e7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120212100038.412369e7@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:16:43 -0000 On 02/13/12 01:00, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:25:06 +1000 > Da Rock articulated: > >> The biggest problem comes with using many interpreters of a single >> language. Thankfully pcl works on the majority of printers (network), >> and is practically a standard in the enterprise world, so you're >> still not marooned with a paper weight :) Unless you're a printshop >> and/or into graphic arts pcl will be more than sufficient for use. If >> you are working in graphic arts then I doubt you'd be using a brother >> or something that doesn't use pure ps anyway. > You might want to check out: > . > It appears that "ps" is no-longer the format of choice but is being > replaced by PDF, a format that is natively supported by many printers. > In addition, there is an active project creating a wrapper framework for > the manufacturer's Windows/Mac OS X drivers, like the ndiswrapper for > WLAN cards, which is something I suggested a long time ago. > That line between ps and pdf became blurred a long time ago. The essentially have the same root. As for MacOSX drivers I'd find that interesting given its similarities and shared root with FreeBSD, and the origin of cups (at least the biggest backer). I don't know the value of creating a wrapper for Windows drivers given they use PCL mostly anyway. Main advantage I'd suppose is in GDI drivers... As a printer specialist I stay well away from printers that don't support a standard anyway - I'll usually expect PCL at least. They're not worth the hassle, and they may be cheap but you get what you pay for in the end. If I was to buy a printer I buy to suit the need and maybe allow for expansion; so if I needed a high quality graphics printer it would generally support all OS' anyway, desktop I would do the same. Don't try to cut cost or you can end up cutting something else as well - the manufacturers will always get their pound of flesh one way or another: cheap printer = expensive parts/ink/toner, and more. And if thats not true, then they're too cheap and simply not worth it- frustration central (on _any_ OS that is!). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 09:28:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15CF106566B for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:28:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ru@lo0.su) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818FC8FC1D for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so4214572bkc.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.153.195 with SMTP id l3mr6814869bkw.123.1329123539338; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lo0.su (lo0.su. [88.198.44.71]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x22sm43964631bkw.11.2012.02.13.00.58.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:58:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: Ruslan Ermilov Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:58:54 +0400 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: =?iso-8859-1?B?R2VybeFuIE0u?= Bravo Message-ID: <20120213085854.GB9771@lo0.su> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlcuXhiVDjLkxRhnfI4HEcgA/bN8ucSv0yY+12dn0e+HPjIyN4qCfL+JgsQFHmaRJV15R4j Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Regarding MANCOLOR X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:28:37 -0000 Hi, On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 05:10:44PM -0600, Germán M. Bravo wrote: > Hello, I saw you wronte something in the mailing lists, some time ago, > regarding MANCOLOR in FreeBSD... however, I've tried in every way I > can to make it work, but I cant. > > I'm using TERM=xterm-256color and if I have MANCOLOR=1, I see no > coloring in my man pages. If I don't set MANCOLOR, and instead set > LESS_TERMCAP_* env variables, I do see colors in my terminal (it > doesn't start with less by default, so I have to use MANPAGER=less > too, if I want it to use less)... If I set both LESS_TERMCAP_* and > also MANCOLOR=1, man starts with the `less` pager by default, but I > see no colors (even with LESS_TERMCAP_* added) > > Could you shed some light in this issue if you can? > I'm trying all this under FreeBSD 9.0 in a remote SSL terminal (xterm-256color) Support for colors in man(1) and groff(1) doesn't mean that manpages got painted. One manpage is sure colorized, one that talks about color support. Try it: man grotty From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 10:26:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FED1065673 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:26:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from siefke_listen@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de (fmmailgate01.web.de [217.72.192.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B71F8FC17 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moweb002.kundenserver.de (moweb002.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.108]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3D01AA83A56 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:08:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from freebsd-desk.silviosiefke.de ([87.123.166.155]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0Lr2I7-1SSO6D1Hkp-00eRYG; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:08:50 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:08:40 +0100 From: "siefke_listen@web.de" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120213110840.ab89da28.siefke_listen@web.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:04q0EZJlsTmZMGz7pkEwc7JWGWLUk3USpukFrCwyKhH /HFQEIf+Ddmak3yhfWdQ7iUvXQKvOSGor0bQYRsRMEE7AE4vay uLC2j3jPwMkT0ilpNdziybMmog4rK03bRv0in752NuLISggOMI OH+jWGeVBXzcD5GJi/G+0cImdE8QDMI78IBFF21+FsL8HeXZQ2 yNDy83wYAYMeaBmosq+Iw== Subject: Linux compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:26:55 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to get Linux running various applications to the. Brandelf was applied to the binaries. But any Linux application crashes at startup. freebsd-desk# kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 21 0xc0400000 8c6d08 kernel 2 1 0xc0cc7000 4864 sem.ko 3 1 0xc41eb000 8000 linprocfs.ko 4 1 0xc41f3000 28000 linux.ko 5 1 0xc44ae000 9000 i915.ko 6 1 0xc44b7000 15000 drm.ko freebsd-desk# cat /etc/rc.conf | grep linux linux_enable="YES" $ /usr/local/bin/linux-firefox /usr/local/lib/linux-firefox/firefox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 $ /usr/local/bin/eagle /usr/local/share/eagle5/bin/eagle: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 $ googleearth ./googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: ./libge_net.so: undefined symbol: _ZNSbIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEE4_Rep20_S_empty_rep_storageE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 Does anyone a idea where is the mistake? Regards Silvio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 11:05:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDC21065670 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:05:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA678FC15 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6FB5C28 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:19:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E6D25C22 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:19:21 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F38ED79.1080206@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:01:13 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120213110840.ab89da28.siefke_listen@web.de> In-Reply-To: <20120213110840.ab89da28.siefke_listen@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:05:58 -0000 On 02/13/12 20:08, siefke_listen@web.de wrote: > Hello, > > > I'm trying to get Linux running various applications to the. Brandelf was > applied to the binaries. But any Linux application crashes at startup. > > freebsd-desk# kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 21 0xc0400000 8c6d08 kernel > 2 1 0xc0cc7000 4864 sem.ko > 3 1 0xc41eb000 8000 linprocfs.ko > 4 1 0xc41f3000 28000 linux.ko > 5 1 0xc44ae000 9000 i915.ko > 6 1 0xc44b7000 15000 drm.ko > > freebsd-desk# cat /etc/rc.conf | grep linux > linux_enable="YES" > > $ /usr/local/bin/linux-firefox > /usr/local/lib/linux-firefox/firefox: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 > > $ /usr/local/bin/eagle > /usr/local/share/eagle5/bin/eagle: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 > > $ googleearth > ./googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: ./libge_net.so: undefined symbol: _ZNSbIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEE4_Rep20_S_empty_rep_storageE, version GLIBCXX_3.4 > > Does anyone a idea where is the mistake? I was going to wait and see if anyone else responded, but you are best off trying emulation@. Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 12:13:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC83F106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from omerfsen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DD58FC0A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadz30 with SMTP id z30so1682010qad.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:13:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Fu/lWsduZ9263qjZvf3EMj7tz7y8WQ8bt/PrRf8IMXU=; b=lsTU9hl5G4ioHhGTZSBEHo6igUH7yph2kOzgActlRt5qYLiKlcX6wDLFoO0w4EKjWH Ohzl4eC/ffDC2da383tQZdnMbLO3NH0/ScSRM2wrUTICW37GJ4P9efusLVAh3G4UKE/f G+k3cYCY0zWxg9/1i2Km/6XejIB6gfy/WWK3I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.135.11 with SMTP id l11mr9357082qct.140.1329135205068; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.24.81 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:13:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:13:25 +0200 Message-ID: From: Omer Faruk SEN To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: replacing a kernel module located in installation Dvd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:13:26 -0000 Found answer to my own question http://www.cyclecide.com/~rudy/example/custom-freebsd.html is the link that i was looking for this is to replace a precompiled file (such as adding a kernel module or changing default kernel) Regards. On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Omer Faruk SEN wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a way to replace a kernel module on installation DVD and > rebuild it so i can use it. I have made one about 2-3 years ago based on a > script that i have found on internet but now i couldn't able to find it. > > Can someone direct me to the right place or suggest a way to do so since I > absolutely remember nothing on how it was done.. > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 12:14:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D84A106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:14:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from omerfsen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C338FC18 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcmt40 with SMTP id t40so3593400qcm.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:14:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=BAZro30TYeLZVDRAFJ7CRIZFiCj+mraxslEf7nXSuNg=; b=OunDB4JubXmCz+70ecs+HitbUf5CEbpBYiFkTQBdbDsedu6br+hyTiyDpFC4Acqpgb AIkLAfsax2B2IceK2AqeZan2iC/fglCkNo1gv1AwNmJVN9/ijnIAj0AL9R1g8kDF9HSl F6zOC5/jeyGegG9MSeRpmxfkNXW1MH8vLFbRY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.111.165 with SMTP id s37mr9300309qcp.80.1329135285533; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.24.81 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:14:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:14:45 +0200 Message-ID: From: Omer Faruk SEN To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: replacing a kernel module located in installation Dvd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:14:46 -0000 Or to use a patch file (my friend send this to me) which is a better method if you can apply patch http://romana.now.ie/writing/customfreebsdiso.html On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Omer Faruk SEN wrote: > Found answer to my own question > > http://www.cyclecide.com/~rudy/example/custom-freebsd.html > > is the link that i was looking for this is to replace a precompiled file > (such as adding a kernel module or changing default kernel) > > Regards. > > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Omer Faruk SEN wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am looking for a way to replace a kernel module on installation DVD and >> rebuild it so i can use it. I have made one about 2-3 years ago based on a >> script that i have found on internet but now i couldn't able to find it. >> >> Can someone direct me to the right place or suggest a way to do so since >> I absolutely remember nothing on how it was done.. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Regards. >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 12:22:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E2F106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from anchor-msapost-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-msapost-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.165]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5ED8FC0A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.41.35.220] (helo=[192.168.16.85]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH g8kbv) (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.69) id 1RwuvA-0006yl-kb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:22:16 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:22:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4F390077.6461.C4E215@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4F38ED79.1080206@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20120213110840.ab89da28.siefke_listen@web.de>, <4F38ED79.1080206@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.62) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: Linux compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:22:18 -0000 On 13 Feb 2012 at 21:01, Da Rock wrote: > On 02/13/12 20:08, siefke_listen@web.de wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm trying to get Linux running various applications to the. > > Brandelf was applied to the binaries. But any Linux application > > crashes at startup. > > > > freebsd-desk# kldstat > > Id Refs Address Size Name > > 1 21 0xc0400000 8c6d08 kernel > > 2 1 0xc0cc7000 4864 sem.ko > > 3 1 0xc41eb000 8000 linprocfs.ko > > 4 1 0xc41f3000 28000 linux.ko > > 5 1 0xc44ae000 9000 i915.ko > > 6 1 0xc44b7000 15000 drm.ko > > > > freebsd-desk# cat /etc/rc.conf | grep linux > > linux_enable="YES" > > > > $ /usr/local/bin/linux-firefox > > /usr/local/lib/linux-firefox/firefox: symbol lookup error: > > /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, > > version GLIBCXX_3.4 > > > > $ /usr/local/bin/eagle > > /usr/local/share/eagle5/bin/eagle: symbol lookup error: > > /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, > > version GLIBCXX_3.4 > > > > $ googleearth > > ./googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: ./libge_net.so: undefined > > symbol: _ZNSbIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEE4_Rep20_S_empty_rep_storageE, > > version GLIBCXX_3.4 > > > > Does anyone a idea where is the mistake? > I was going to wait and see if anyone else responded, but you are best > off trying emulation@. > > Cheers > > Don't you have to install/load a module for Linux binary compatability to work in F'BSD? I seem to remember that being mentioned during a recent 8.something install. Dave B. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 12:47:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E565F1065674 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FB68FC12 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1DCl756009287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:47:07 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1DCl756009287 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329137227; bh=r1pblNUbclPb4f8335yhhEl8Z5UuxRxra8wHdBKO5fc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=w0QQB6eXST46NYwtZZBFrDeZB+EqB6/k5EqE50C3d25a1x4VoVge/4PihrC0+dRP0 9AfSlT6ZtKvI6spiefNTRW1yXyMXhdvOhbOK96QQN8AV9+oZZLZn382YYXZMBYO4MV qaCacqrMN4XcUDD+x/jsspbUQfL3jx5rRYcdrGM4= Message-ID: <4F39064B.2040307@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:47:07 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120213110840.ab89da28.siefke_listen@web.de>, <4F38ED79.1080206@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F390077.6461.C4E215@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F390077.6461.C4E215@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig56EB9A049757AA5137CD5B1E" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Linux compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:47:12 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig56EB9A049757AA5137CD5B1E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13/02/2012 12:22, Dave wrote: > On 13 Feb 2012 at 21:01, Da Rock wrote: >=20 >> On 02/13/12 20:08, siefke_listen@web.de wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> I'm trying to get Linux running various applications to the. >>> Brandelf was applied to the binaries. But any Linux application >>> crashes at startup. >>> >>> freebsd-desk# kldstat >>> Id Refs Address Size Name >>> 1 21 0xc0400000 8c6d08 kernel >>> 2 1 0xc0cc7000 4864 sem.ko >>> 3 1 0xc41eb000 8000 linprocfs.ko >>> 4 1 0xc41f3000 28000 linux.ko >>> 5 1 0xc44ae000 9000 i915.ko >>> 6 1 0xc44b7000 15000 drm.ko >>> >>> freebsd-desk# cat /etc/rc.conf | grep linux >>> linux_enable=3D"YES" >>> >>> $ /usr/local/bin/linux-firefox >>> /usr/local/lib/linux-firefox/firefox: symbol lookup error: >>> /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, >>> version GLIBCXX_3.4 >>> >>> $ /usr/local/bin/eagle >>> /usr/local/share/eagle5/bin/eagle: symbol lookup error: >>> /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt8messagesIcE2idE, >>> version GLIBCXX_3.4 >>> >>> $ googleearth >>> ./googleearth-bin: symbol lookup error: ./libge_net.so: undefined >>> symbol: _ZNSbIwSt11char_traitsIwESaIwEE4_Rep20_S_empty_rep_storageE, >>> version GLIBCXX_3.4 >>> >>> Does anyone a idea where is the mistake? >> I was going to wait and see if anyone else responded, but you are best= >> off trying emulation@. >> >> Cheers >> >> >=20 > Don't you have to install/load a module for Linux binary compatability = to=20 > work in F'BSD? I seem to remember that being mentioned during a recent= =20 > 8.something install. Yes, you do. The module is called linux.ko and as you can see in the OP's kldstat listing, it is loaded. Usually that happens automatically, so it's quite rare to actually have to type 'kldload linux.ko' The undefined symbol errors suggest that the OP is missing some important linux shlibs which should be installed in /compat/linux/usr/lib -- what linuxbase port have you installed, and what distro did you obtain those linux executables from? Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig56EB9A049757AA5137CD5B1E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk85BksACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy3ogCfTqDxPCzcGYNjKQGlpxBOpYB6 cbAAmwTyIWIisOPxzJrOxVkJB5rCYmRI =Eeo1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig56EB9A049757AA5137CD5B1E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 15:09:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A546A1065672 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33AE8FC1A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1DF92sH015266 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:09:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:08:58 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:09:06 -0000 Hello list! Is this is OT then i'm sorry. Trying to get sendmail act as a mua, following this tutorial http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/auth.html Scroll down a bit to Using send.... Is it really necessary to install cycrus-sasl2? How do one make sendmail to pick sasl2 up when building sendmail. Is there a make.conf line I must add? When telnetting auth works but using telnet to send mail has a very low WAF. I've installed cyrus-sasl2 but then what. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 15:26:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49829106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adam@bullseye.tv) Received: from mail.bullseye.tv (mail.bullseye.tv [66.207.210.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34348FC08 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.196] (unknown [66.207.210.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.bullseye.tv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940AB2B80EA for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:03:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4F392742.1060000@bullseye.tv> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:07:46 -0500 From: Adam Coates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: vdevs in zpool spereated, unable to import X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:26:04 -0000 I have a problem that could either be easily solved, or potentially coul dhave me royally screwed. I had a FreeBSD 8.0 system crash on me, and I lost some binaries including zfs tools. I tried fixing with Fixit but had no such luck so I rebuilt world and kernel on a fresh hard drive. The old system had zpool raidz containing da0 and da1. Because of the crash I didn't get to export this pool, but when I try to import now I get this: # zpool import tank cannot import 'tank': one or more devices is currently unavailable If I take I look at the list I only see this: # zpool import pool: tank id: 4433502968625883981 state: UNAVAIL status: One or more devices contains corrupted data. action: The pool cannot be imported due to damaged devices or data. see: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-5E config: tank UNAVAIL insufficient replicas da1 ONLINE if I list destroyed pools: # zpool import -D pool: tank id: 12367720188787195607 state: ONLINE (DESTROYED) action: The pool can be imported using its name or numeric identifier. config: tank ONLINE da0 ONLINE TADA! There's the missing drive. So what happened? if I debug each drive... bad drive: # zdb -l /dev/da0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 0 -------------------------------------------- version=13 name='tank' state=2 txg=50 pool_guid=12367720188787195607 hostid=2180312168 hostname='proj.bullseye.tv' top_guid=6830294387039432583 guid=6830294387039432583 vdev_tree type='disk' id=0 guid=6830294387039432583 path='/dev/da0' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=23 metaslab_shift=36 ashift=9 asize=6998387326976 is_log=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 1 -------------------------------------------- version=13 name='tank' state=2 txg=50 pool_guid=12367720188787195607 hostid=2180312168 hostname='proj.bullseye.tv' top_guid=6830294387039432583 guid=6830294387039432583 vdev_tree type='disk' id=0 guid=6830294387039432583 path='/dev/da0' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=23 metaslab_shift=36 ashift=9 asize=6998387326976 is_log=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 2 -------------------------------------------- version=13 name='tank' state=2 txg=50 pool_guid=12367720188787195607 hostid=2180312168 hostname='proj.bullseye.tv' top_guid=6830294387039432583 guid=6830294387039432583 vdev_tree type='disk' id=0 guid=6830294387039432583 path='/dev/da0' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=23 metaslab_shift=36 ashift=9 asize=6998387326976 is_log=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 3 -------------------------------------------- version=13 name='tank' state=2 txg=50 pool_guid=12367720188787195607 hostid=2180312168 hostname='proj.bullseye.tv' top_guid=6830294387039432583 guid=6830294387039432583 vdev_tree type='disk' id=0 guid=6830294387039432583 path='/dev/da0' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=23 metaslab_shift=36 ashift=9 asize=6998387326976 is_log=0 and good drive: # zdb -l /dev/da1 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 0 -------------------------------------------- version=13 name='tank' state=0 txg=4 pool_guid=4433502968625883981 hostid=2180312168 hostname='zproj.bullseye.tv' top_guid=11718615808151907516 guid=11718615808151907516 vdev_tree type='disk' id=1 guid=11718615808151907516 path='/dev/da1' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=23 metaslab_shift=36 ashift=9 asize=7001602260992 is_log=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 1 -------------------------------------------- version=13 name='tank' state=0 txg=4 pool_guid=4433502968625883981 hostid=2180312168 hostname='zproj.bullseye.tv' top_guid=11718615808151907516 guid=11718615808151907516 vdev_tree type='disk' id=1 guid=11718615808151907516 path='/dev/da1' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=23 metaslab_shift=36 ashift=9 asize=7001602260992 is_log=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 2 -------------------------------------------- version=13 name='tank' state=0 txg=4 pool_guid=4433502968625883981 hostid=2180312168 hostname='zproj.bullseye.tv' top_guid=11718615808151907516 guid=11718615808151907516 vdev_tree type='disk' id=1 guid=11718615808151907516 path='/dev/da1' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=23 metaslab_shift=36 ashift=9 asize=7001602260992 is_log=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 2 -------------------------------------------- version=13 name='tank' state=0 txg=4 pool_guid=4433502968625883981 hostid=2180312168 hostname='zproj.bullseye.tv' top_guid=11718615808151907516 guid=11718615808151907516 vdev_tree type='disk' id=1 guid=11718615808151907516 path='/dev/da1' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=23 metaslab_shift=36 ashift=9 asize=7001602260992 is_log=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 3 -------------------------------------------- version=13 name='tank' state=0 txg=4 pool_guid=4433502968625883981 hostid=2180312168 hostname='zproj.bullseye.tv' top_guid=11718615808151907516 guid=11718615808151907516 vdev_tree type='disk' id=1 guid=11718615808151907516 path='/dev/da1' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=23 metaslab_shift=36 ashift=9 asize=7001602260992 is_log=0 One thing that stands out to me is that they have different hostnames. da0 has the box's current hostname "proj", while da1 has the previous box's hostname "zproj"... could this be the issue? If so, how to I change it in this state? But wait, a look at dmesg reveals: da0: 6674186MB (13668734464 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 850839C) GEOM: da0: corrupt or invalid GPT detected. GEOM: da0: GPT rejected -- may not be recoverable. Could the drive just be completely effed? If so, then I think I am too. Please help! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 15:29:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF0B1065676 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94698FC16 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1DFSw8G012174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:28:58 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1DFSw8G012174 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329146938; bh=jhlplKO7Ly/tqpnKYlHJYZZ7XZMM2ayx2oHpiT9P6So=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=Mqvjg96kJi73DZNd9w+7Yz7uY1IfufWXlk8qD3N4nCjI/yvIzhRJWxaDHfKKnSMmn QeDnIZEATzm6mMBLg2228qbw4v9yAnnfVVKkNMnNURQJ8WzgBiBjiRFvzk9rv94uMw ylGV1IS4+2cA9+MZ/bht9g893elhz4Vb+Ll8yRJI= Message-ID: <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:28:45 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig220DAA64F3CE3557C1E7AD86" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:29:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig220DAA64F3CE3557C1E7AD86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13/02/2012 15:08, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Is this is OT then i'm sorry. >=20 > Trying to get sendmail act as a mua, following this tutorial >=20 > http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/auth.html >=20 > Scroll down a bit to Using send.... >=20 > Is it really necessary to install cycrus-sasl2? >=20 > How do one make sendmail to pick sasl2 up when building sendmail. > Is there a make.conf line I must add? When telnetting auth works > but using telnet to send mail has a very low WAF. >=20 > I've installed cyrus-sasl2 but then what. Yes -- you do need cyrus-sasl2 for this purpose. To build sendmail with SASL, either use the ports version in mail/sendmail, where you can select SASL as one of the options, or add: SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=3D-I/usr/local/include -DSASL=3D2 SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=3D-L/usr/local/lib SENDMAIL_LDADD=3D-lsasl2 to /etc/make.conf -- see /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf for more details. This will give you a SASL-enabled base system sendmail once you rebuild it. Note that the second choice makes your base system dependent on stuff external to it, which may or may not be desirable. Oh, and before anyone else chimes in with a knee-jerk reaction about using sendmail: there are other MTAs that can provide this functionality. As an alternative, either postfix or exim could do what you want too. Sendmail works just fine for me though. 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Sincerely, Shrikansh e-mail - - seoshrikansh@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 15:51:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4E7106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24638FC1E for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so2163765eek.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:51:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/XgVEn2DJCZgwoOF0tAz0YGjlYmO1ok/La0rARjmtxg=; b=xi3thMqhuiq/ZdEnB/p5CzgLD9Yq/yKu2WFPH3TuFekvgN6Pz4LMtLEqs3kLXkxpe6 9DuGNJo+pePOUwQfYluKhOviOTCj4Us2gIH8CKMdSZDgKyZOehPlz3jlDEI+ubEYM6Dy f0qaUbbwhx8cLh+dVjmtRhFPmKUdVa6Y9OP1k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.8.198 with SMTP id i6mr2080438ebi.41.1329148284008; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.103.14 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.103.14 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:51:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120213154746.695C31065697@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20120213154746.695C31065697@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Vomacka To: seoshrikansh@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Looking for SEO / Website Design Work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:51:25 -0000 On Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM, "Shrikansh" wrote: > > Hi, > > > I am a SEO Specialist from India looking for a job in the field of Internet marketing . > > I have 4 years experience with SEO, Website Design and development. I would like to work remotely from my present location in India and help your organization with SEO and website design .I am specialized in Organic SEO. > My other skills include HTML, CSS, Photoshop, Dream weaver, flash, Joomla and Word Press and PPC. > > My monthly wage expectation is 800 USD Per month for fulltime work ie for 160Hrs or 400 USD for part time work. I can help you in handling seo projects for all your clients. > Looking forward to discussing this job opportunity further and how I can contribute to the success of your esteemed organization. > > Thank you for your time and consideration. > > > Sincerely, > Shrikansh > e-mail - - seoshrikansh@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" This is not the mailing list for advertisements From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 16:31:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57830106566C for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adam@bullseye.tv) Received: from mail.bullseye.tv (mail.bullseye.tv [66.207.210.133]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151B08FC0A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.196] (lan.bullseye.tv [66.207.210.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.bullseye.tv (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91122B8117 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:27:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4F393AF8.4060003@bullseye.tv> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:31:52 -0500 From: Adam Coates User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: vdevs in zpool spereated, unable to import X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:31:51 -0000 More insight into my tomfoolery: I think the "different hostnames" issue may be because of my ignorance. If you can't tell I'm fairly new to zfs, and even newer to the revelation of zpools (I've been using one for over a year but had no idea, I wasn't the one who set it up). When I had finished the fresh os install I was originally trying to /mount/ the drives. I know I was running into an error of: "/dev/da0 is part of active pool 'tank'" with a suggestion that the mount could only proceed with the "-f" argument. I can't recall what exactly I did, but I may have tried to force a mount of da0 to /tank in pool "tank". This would make sense why I now can't import the original pool tank, and why there is a destroyed pool tank. Since these were raidz, is there any chance of recovering from my error? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 16:35:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B841065670 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nzp@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [204.13.164.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4DD8FC12 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fulvetta.riseup.net (fulvetta-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4D3E6166F for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: nzp@fulvetta.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id 863C216D Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:35:16 +0100 From: Nikola =?utf-8?B?UGF2bG92acSH?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120213163516.GA9706@sputnjik.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:35:22 -0000 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 03:28:45PM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 13/02/2012 15:08, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > Is this is OT then i'm sorry. > > > > Trying to get sendmail act as a mua, following this tutorial > > > > http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/auth.html > > > > Scroll down a bit to Using send.... > > > > Is it really necessary to install cycrus-sasl2? > > > > How do one make sendmail to pick sasl2 up when building sendmail. > > Is there a make.conf line I must add? When telnetting auth works > > but using telnet to send mail has a very low WAF. > > > > I've installed cyrus-sasl2 but then what. > > Yes -- you do need cyrus-sasl2 for this purpose. > > To build sendmail with SASL, either use the ports version in > mail/sendmail, where you can select SASL as one of the options, > or add: > > SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include -DSASL=2 > SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib > SENDMAIL_LDADD=-lsasl2 > > to /etc/make.conf -- see /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf for more > details. This will give you a SASL-enabled base system sendmail once > you rebuild it. > > Note that the second choice makes your base system dependent on stuff > external to it, which may or may not be desirable. > > Oh, and before anyone else chimes in with a knee-jerk reaction about > using sendmail: there are other MTAs that can provide this > functionality. As an alternative, either postfix or exim could do what > you want too. Sendmail works just fine for me though. > If I understood Bernt correctly, he wants to use it to relay mail to some remote MTA (ISP's or similar). There are lightweight MTAs just for this purpose, I use mail/msmtp and it works great with multiple accounts. Usually, this is much simpler to set up than using a real MTA like Sendmail or Postfix. Not that I have anything against using Sendmail and friends for this purpose. Just my $0.02. ;) -- news: gotcha From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 17:57:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEDC106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from siefke_listen@web.de) Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de (fmmailgate01.web.de [217.72.192.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E098FC18 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moweb001.kundenserver.de (moweb001.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.114]) by fmmailgate01.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9882F1AACBBFE for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:57:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from silviosiefke.silviosiefke.de ([87.123.138.86]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MeScR-1S9JAx1q2R-00PO41; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:57:40 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:57:44 +0100 From: "siefke_listen@web.de" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120213185744.aaecc1c2.siefke_listen@web.de> In-Reply-To: <4F39064B.2040307@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20120213110840.ab89da28.siefke_listen@web.de> <4F38ED79.1080206@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F390077.6461.C4E215@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <4F39064B.2040307@infracaninophile.co.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:B/Uh+u/daKcXmC/zo43oXaqqVy2qnCpmMaOfB1Yt8zq uNwcQbS6F16mlz8hQtrid9Xl9cYEh4Cv1iwhXpj3gxygiYamYn /WEGaT68OGysPDVwPDdvw5A6olM0NpXzuN8sXvAOYZQwWZTch8 mgKNVbmfVZjHr8mwNq2JkPgeHYH7xzkzCYZI+pikNlRn47esfh 9HrUOI9KiiSoCkkHQChug== Subject: Re: Linux compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:57:42 -0000 Hello, On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:47:07 +0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > The undefined symbol errors suggest that the OP is missing some > important linux shlibs which should be installed in > /compat/linux/usr/lib -- what linuxbase port have you installed, and > what distro did you obtain those linux executables from? freebsd-desk# pkg_info -Ix linux linux-dri-7.4_1 linux-eagle5-5.11.0_1 linux-f10-alsa-lib-1.0.21_1 linux-f10-alsa-plugins-oss-1.0.21_2 linux-f10-atk-1.24.0 linux-f10-cairo-1.8.0_1 linux-f10-curl-7.19.6_1 linux-f10-cyrus-sasl2-2.1.22_1 linux-f10-dbus-glib-0.76 linux-f10-dbus-libs-1.2.4 linux-f10-expat-2.0.1 linux-f10-flashplugin-10.3r183.11 linux-f10-fontconfig-2.6.0 linux-f10-gtk2-2.14.7_3 linux-f10-hicolor-icon-theme-0.5 linux-f10-jpeg-6b linux-f10-libasyncns-0.7 C linux-f10-libsigc++20-2.2.2 linux-f10-libssh2-0.18 linux-f10-libv4l-0.6.2 linux-f10-nspr-4.7.6 linux-f10-nss-3.12.3.99.3_1 linux-f10-openldap-2.4.12_1 linux-f10-openssl-0.9.8g linux-f10-pango-1.28.3 linux-f10-png-1.2.37_1 linux-f10-sqlite3-3.5.9_1 linux-f10-tiff-3.8.2 linux-f10-xorg-libs-7.4_1 linux-firefox-10.0.1,1 linux-sun-jre-1.6.0.30 linux_base-f10-10_4 linuxdoc-1.1_1 freebsd-desk# cat /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release Fedora release 10 (Cambridge) Regards Silvio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 18:15:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24261106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:15:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from siefke@email.de) Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de (fmmailgate03.web.de [217.72.192.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82E48FC0C for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moweb002.kundenserver.de (moweb002.kundenserver.de [172.19.20.108]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6E11B16763D for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:51:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from silviosiefke.silviosiefke.de ([87.123.138.86]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0M8QaI-1Sk2DG3DFK-00vq3J; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:51:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:52:00 +0100 From: "siefke@email.de" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120213185200.f0a50352.siefke@email.de> In-Reply-To: <4F390077.6461.C4E215@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> References: <20120213110840.ab89da28.siefke_listen@web.de> <4F38ED79.1080206@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F390077.6461.C4E215@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:StJIoSO25y+PMcQIR1ac2Bowo+bu0aUOZAPauufNnro eQ17xIPZKyfDgQ/nufa2lEB7rNC/ZZncbIKALIKMQdtf4vF8Y8 wobaxxNG9j9m/I/lOEsvXWd76VyM3X5wvqaUuHlWy5xDCMzlYG JuzoBm3jJARcTtsDUpbwvNcErs+Af8X5ir3lHo2MgPP8W2EYyo 7emuOwYODQfK4Dx6IEOnA== Subject: Re: Linux compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:15:12 -0000 Hello, On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:22:15 -0000 Dave wrote: > Don't you have to install/load a module for Linux binary compatability to > work in F'BSD? I seem to remember that being mentioned during a recent > 8.something install. I have load the kernel module with boot. freebsd-desk# cat /etc/rc.conf | grep linux linux_enable="YES" freebsd-desk# cat /boot/loader.conf | grep linux linux_load="YES" freebsd-desk# kldstat | grep linux 2 2 0xc0cc7000 2fc34 linux.ko Regards Silvio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 19:09:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2946106566B for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:09:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@blue-box.net) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F6E8FC16 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdq11 with SMTP id dq11so5257288wgb.31 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:09:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.86.9 with SMTP id l9mr26110816wiz.15.1329158581374; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.163.201 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:43:01 -0800 Message-ID: From: Vince Valenti To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHMgGnRldoUjDqqdLh1lgZFvxt/o3f2/8qid3BAqREj2D95wlxtVNOECm2xCiq3t14dacP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: kernel: panic: handle_written_inodeblock X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:09:05 -0000 Hi guys, I have FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE installed on VMware vSphere ESXi 5.0 with open-vm-tools-nox11-471268_1. Everything seemed to be working great for a few days until I came into work this morning and it had crashed. I don't have a dump, but this message was in the log when it came back up: Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: panic: handle_written_inodeblock: Invalid link count 65535 for inodedep 0xfffffe01d557f000 Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: cpuid = 1 Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: KDB: stack backtrace: Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: #0 0xffffffff808680fe at kdb_backtrace+0x5e Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: #1 0xffffffff80832cb7 at panic+0x187 Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: #2 0xffffffff80a5714b at softdep_disk_write_complete+0x1c1b Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: #3 0xffffffff808afcac at bufdone_finish+0x2c Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: #4 0xffffffff808affe8 at bufdone+0x68 Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: #5 0xffffffff807cf666 at g_io_schedule_up+0xa6 Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: #6 0xffffffff807cfbec at g_up_procbody+0x5c Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: #7 0xffffffff8080682f at fork_exit+0x11f Feb 13 08:05:13 snake kernel: #8 0xffffffff80b0366e at fork_trampoline+0xe It wouldn't mount the root filesystem and I had to manually run fsck on it. Ideas? dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2012 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:46:30 UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5650 @ 2.67GHz (2660.00-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x206c2 Family = 6 Model = 2c Stepping = 2 Features=0xfe3fbff Features2=0x82982203 AMD Features=0x28100800 AMD Features2=0x1 TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB) avail memory = 8231317504 (7849 MB) Event timer "LAPIC" quality 600 ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 4 package(s) x 1 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 MADT: Forcing active-low polarity and level trigger for SCI ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 950 Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 900 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 cpu2: on acpi0 cpu3: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x10c0-0x10cf at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata1: on atapci0 pci0: at device 7.3 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 7.7 (no driver attached) vgapci0: port 0x10d0-0x10df mem 0xd8000000-0xdbffffff,0xd0800000-0xd0ffffff irq 16 at device 15.0 on pci0 mpt0: port 0x1400-0x14ff mem 0xd0040000-0xd005ffff,0xd0020000-0xd003ffff irq 17 at device 16.0 on pci0 mpt0: MPI Version=1.2.0.0 pcib2: at device 17.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 em0: port 0x2000-0x203f mem 0xd1020000-0xd103ffff,0xd1000000-0xd100ffff irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci2 em0: Memory Access and/or Bus Master bits were not set! em0: Ethernet address: 00:50:56:b4:73:14 pcib3: at device 21.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 pcib4: at device 21.1 on pci0 pci4: on pcib4 pcib5: at device 21.2 on pci0 pci5: on pcib5 pcib6: at device 21.3 on pci0 pci6: on pcib6 pcib7: at device 21.4 on pci0 pci7: on pcib7 pcib8: at device 21.5 on pci0 pci8: on pcib8 pcib9: at device 21.6 on pci0 pci9: on pcib9 pcib10: at device 21.7 on pci0 pci10: on pcib10 pcib11: at device 22.0 on pci0 pci11: on pcib11 pcib12: at device 22.1 on pci0 pci12: on pcib12 pcib13: at device 22.2 on pci0 pci13: on pcib13 pcib14: at device 22.3 on pci0 pci14: on pcib14 pcib15: at device 22.4 on pci0 pci15: on pcib15 pcib16: at device 22.5 on pci0 pci16: on pcib16 pcib17: at device 22.6 on pci0 pci17: on pcib17 pcib18: at device 22.7 on pci0 pci18: on pcib18 pcib19: at device 23.0 on pci0 pci19: on pcib19 pcib20: at device 23.1 on pci0 pci20: on pcib20 pcib21: at device 23.2 on pci0 pci21: on pcib21 pcib22: at device 23.3 on pci0 pci22: on pcib22 pcib23: at device 23.4 on pci0 pci23: on pcib23 pcib24: at device 23.5 on pci0 pci24: on pcib24 pcib25: at device 23.6 on pci0 pci25: on pcib25 pcib26: at device 23.7 on pci0 pci26: on pcib26 pcib27: at device 24.0 on pci0 pci27: on pcib27 pcib28: at device 24.1 on pci0 pci28: on pcib28 pcib29: at device 24.2 on pci0 pcib29: failed to allocate initial I/O port window: 0xf000-0xffff pci29: on pcib29 pcib30: at device 24.3 on pci0 pci30: on pcib30 pcib31: at device 24.4 on pci0 pci31: on pcib31 pcib32: at device 24.5 on pci0 pci32: on pcib32 pcib33: at device 24.6 on pci0 pci33: on pcib33 pcib34: at device 24.7 on pci0 pci34: on pcib34 acpi_acad0: on acpi0 attimer0: port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on acpi0 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 Event timer "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 atrtc0: port 0x70-0x71 irq 8 on acpi0 Event timer "RTC" frequency 32768 Hz quality 0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED] psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on acpi0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode ppbus0: on ppc0 plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 uart0: <16550 or compatible> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 uart1: <16550 or compatible> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 qpi0: on motherboard sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 acpi_throttle0: on cpu0 acpi_throttle1: on cpu1 acpi_throttle1: failed to attach P_CNT device_attach: acpi_throttle1 attach returned 6 acpi_throttle2: on cpu2 acpi_throttle2: failed to attach P_CNT device_attach: acpi_throttle2 attach returned 6 acpi_throttle3: on cpu3 acpi_throttle3: failed to attach P_CNT device_attach: acpi_throttle3 attach returned 6 Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec da0 at mpt0 bus 0 scbus2 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 320.000MB/s transfers (160.000MHz DT, offset 127, 16bit) da0: Command Queueing enabled da0: 20480MB (41943040 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2610C) cd0 at ata1 bus 0 scbus1 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 33.300MB/s transfers (UDMA2, ATAPI 12bytes, PIO 65534bytes) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/da0p2 [rw]... WARNING: / was not properly dismounted /: mount pending error: blocks 184 files 7 VMware memory control driver initialized Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Vince From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 19:25:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42DD106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849948FC13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (unknown [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3TmxfQ6tB2z90 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 152.121.16.252 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:25:03 -0500 Message-ID: <4a62131a3c6a241b0fdcf3cd9061b6c4.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <4F393AF8.4060003@bullseye.tv> References: <4F393AF8.4060003@bullseye.tv> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:25:03 -0500 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: vdevs in zpool spereated, unable to import X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:25:04 -0000 On Mon, February 13, 2012 11:31 am, Adam Coates wrote: > More insight into my tomfoolery: I think the "different hostnames" issue > may be because of my ignorance. If you can't tell I'm fairly new to zfs, > and even newer to the revelation of zpools (I've been using one for over > a year but had no idea, I wasn't the one who set it up). When I had > finished the fresh os install I was originally trying to /mount/ the > drives. I know I was running into an error of: > > "/dev/da0 is part of active pool 'tank'" > > with a suggestion that the mount could only proceed with the "-f" > argument. I can't recall what exactly I did, but I may have tried to > force a mount of da0 to /tank in pool "tank". This would make sense why > I now can't import the original pool tank, and why there is a destroyed > pool tank. Since these were raidz, is there any chance of recovering > from my error? You may have done some major damage, but things to try (in my thoughts on order): zpool import -f That's trying to import by the numeric id, not the name. At the very least, you should get a different error message. (You may need the -D as well.) zpool import -D -f -d /dev/da0 -d /dev/da1 Now we're trying to import destroyed pools, and looking at both drives explicitly for data. The next is a bit of hail mary, and if anyone else has a good idea, I'd try that first...: You can try mounting /dev/da1 like you did /dev/da0, and *then* trying to import. Basically, at that point you are trying to get them both messed up the same way. Since these were raidz: Where's the third disk? If you have two of the raidz disks, you should be able to rebuild the third. (It's *possible*, it appears, to run a raidz with two disks, but you don't get any benefits over mirroring, and you complicate recovery - a mirror in this situation would be directly usable. In theory a two-disk raidz should be recoverable from one disk, I think, but it may not have been well-tested.) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. 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This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 19:28:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2FA106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3B98FC08 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (magehandbook.com [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3Tmxk34yGgz9M for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 152.121.16.252 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:28:11 -0500 Message-ID: <743259d7229d0b9ae9f0a40e44216445.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <4a62131a3c6a241b0fdcf3cd9061b6c4.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> References: <4F393AF8.4060003@bullseye.tv> <4a62131a3c6a241b0fdcf3cd9061b6c4.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:28:11 -0500 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: vdevs in zpool spereated, unable to import X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:28:12 -0000 On Mon, February 13, 2012 2:25 pm, Daniel Staal wrote: > > On Mon, February 13, 2012 11:31 am, Adam Coates wrote: >> More insight into my tomfoolery: I think the "different hostnames" issue >> may be because of my ignorance. If you can't tell I'm fairly new to zfs, >> and even newer to the revelation of zpools (I've been using one for over >> a year but had no idea, I wasn't the one who set it up). When I had >> finished the fresh os install I was originally trying to /mount/ the >> drives. I know I was running into an error of: >> >> "/dev/da0 is part of active pool 'tank'" >> >> with a suggestion that the mount could only proceed with the "-f" >> argument. I can't recall what exactly I did, but I may have tried to >> force a mount of da0 to /tank in pool "tank". This would make sense why >> I now can't import the original pool tank, and why there is a destroyed >> pool tank. Since these were raidz, is there any chance of recovering >> from my error? > > You may have done some major damage, but things to try (in my thoughts on > order): > > zpool import -f > > That's trying to import by the numeric id, not the name. At the very > least, you should get a different error message. (You may need the -D as > well.) > > zpool import -D -f -d /dev/da0 -d /dev/da1 > > Now we're trying to import destroyed pools, and looking at both drives > explicitly for data. > > The next is a bit of hail mary, and if anyone else has a good idea, I'd > try that first...: You can try mounting /dev/da1 like you did /dev/da0, > and *then* trying to import. Basically, at that point you are trying to > get them both messed up the same way. > > Since these were raidz: Where's the third disk? If you have two of the > raidz disks, you should be able to rebuild the third. (It's *possible*, > it appears, to run a raidz with two disks, but you don't get any benefits > over mirroring, and you complicate recovery - a mirror in this situation > would be directly usable. In theory a two-disk raidz should be > recoverable from one disk, I think, but it may not have been well-tested.) Sorry, I went back to check something: Swap /dev/da0 with /dev/da1, and vice-versa. I'd gotten which disk you tried mounting backwards. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. 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Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: how can i offload a 600m file without graphic tools? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:32:08 -0000 w can i move a file from my home filesystem to my one disc drive without using a GUI? i don't have a graphic interface on my FBSD system and want to save a 600MB file to my cdrom? thanks for tips on what i have Long forgotten! gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 19:52:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD907106567C for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martinrame@yahoo.com) Received: from nm2-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD8768FC20 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2012 19:39:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.167] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2012 19:39:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2012 19:39:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 960751.45056.bm@omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53148 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2012 19:39:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1329161991; bh=KazrWNruCqhIZzKbWOpPt8gPpUhIIbrnp02M8aRqfoY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CM4zs8CFQtKwdYvlxT2Xx0R54aYX6nFwsvjxxuAE/4cf/0FXqLIqnbbgTGVncamjX4IqJZyzNaZtSYw6H4+7WRB/uMczQZOH1T/fyh0+I1PsL8+cEA8gFgYSkCZmjJT9+39oZjkMwagQa4ocD9c0XDBsFg5Vh0XTmmnmTa4h9M4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CYGCuo3ySJzCziS6xObmRbnNI166oCDGLSzP1KEetdPdzA6r1+WIkHwDorSottXPzCYYQ/5mPRsZuIAxogYz8SRtacDPb6HNoYixsj7EqTbPDr7zqhcBBacKUqDyJeiTfbJXS75ccM8DlABGeGRxUtqeAb0nw2jDPp2CH4ht+lQ=; X-YMail-OSG: UFX9NM0VM1n3jNcHxu5BTNvXYUkeL74pS2LK.KfPpLKMcqs 34J1Spny_LCKwPUNYxSZVFyjwujhEBEdx7MhMZ6puFaFTGzfyAFQ4ieP2NxM 7zjCoXmbQ66wmM684_i6QJxSTGCocwlzh1hzKXZkZnKncmoNh2ZksR0lLoG_ pWo5WDoq9dL.ehGYJoMVrbp3THcwkxJ8HBgcrwnioVnEnj6drHEDxzIsAHBa mwn7nMncEwcbvaXCrbEk9Yuz58oqtl4Cb6ypZ6FSG_jdUTIpvcdO7VtNUNgz a9CAmqY6uQIT2EtUnR4AgI2MOyXsDZhHy2PF9gzWkn3xcDFQ6g1qehI03CR7 Zn0XK9y6mIp8XUaTKUeYXhHRtQMzPtaqC.zkeOpmANm_mayrOVo7nuw_3y3F jKk1k6PO58VvdBqQV_tiFwhyGdwDqJOXcPhveStqc5_oF3ohxjOg.suphQiA Hwy9XtORX.1uRWzG4lRyL4OFcGLjXM78LPC8pPO484H4Rq9kuMc5ix8.2Q58 Xpe0RSV3E5dsjnhii9MAy9VuZXbE3TH62T2WAqE51olm1PGpM0vw0GuYLKIs a0.LTT.RtzYpX7oS.SwPK4clf Received: from [200.80.219.194] by web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:39:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.338427 References: <20120213193150.GA24425@thought.org> Message-ID: <1329161991.39719.YahooMailNeo@web113516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:39:51 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Leonardo_M=2E_Ram=E9?= To: FreeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20120213193150.GA24425@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: how can i offload a 600m file without graphic tools? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Leonardo_M=2E_Ram=E9?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:52:11 -0000 Using "scp" you can copy data to/from your remote FreeBsd system. If the fi= le is not on a local network, but on internet, you should use rsync instead= of scp, it allows to continue copying if the network disconnects.=0A=0AIf = your home computer is a Windows PC you can install Cygwin to be able to ope= n a console and execute scp.=A0=0A=0A--=A0=0ALeonardo M. Ram=E9=0Ahttp://le= onardorame.blogspot.com=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From:= Gary Kline =0A>To: FreeBSD Mailing List =0A>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 4:32 PM=0A>Subject: ho= w can i offload a 600m file without graphic tools?=0A> =0A>=0A>w can i move= a file from my home filesystem to my one disc drive=0A>without using a GUI= ?=A0 i don't have a graphic interface on my FBSD=0A>system and want to save= a 600MB file to my cdrom?=0A>=0A>thanks for tips on what i have Long forgo= tten!=0A>=0A>gary=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>-- =0A>Gary Kline=A0 kline@thought= .org=A0 http://www.thought.org=A0 Public Service Unix=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0=A0=A0Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org=0A>=A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org=0A>= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0Twenty-five years of service to the Unix commu= nity.=0A>=0A>_______________________________________________=0A>freebsd-que= stions@freebsd.org mailing list=0A>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinf= o/freebsd-questions=0A>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-= unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A>=0A>=0A>=A0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 20:14:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67E5106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5B18FC12 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q1DKIk9l023441 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:18:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:18:46 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201202132018.q1DKIk9l023441@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120213193150.GA24425@thought.org> Subject: Re: how can i offload a 600m file without graphic tools? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:14:06 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 13 13:37:30 2012 > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:32:07 -0800 > From: Gary Kline > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Cc: > Subject: how can i offload a 600m file without graphic tools? > > > w can i move a file from my home filesystem to my one disc drive > without using a GUI? i don't have a graphic interface on my FBSD > system and want to save a 600MB file to my cdrom? > > thanks for tips on what i have Long forgotten! This is *intentionally* not a direct answer to your question. This is 'how you can _FIND_ answers yourself', with only a little effort. 'questions' should be your -last- resort -- not your first -- for something you haven't been able to figure out for yourself, and you *should* show some effort at having _tried_ to solve it yourself. You want a command to put files on a CDROM, right? CDROMs use an ISO-9660 filesystem, right? That gives some 'magic words' to search for -- Try "apropos '(cdrom|iso|9660)' | egrep '(1|8)' |more" And see if any commands jump out at you -- maybe something with 'create' in the description. Read the manpage, for how to build a filesystem image suitable for copying to a CD, and for a suggestion for a utility that will write the image to the disk. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 20:18:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7809B106566B for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arif@bansberrysg.com) Received: from gateway11.websitewelcome.com (gateway11.websitewelcome.com [67.18.44.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3148FC15 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gateway11.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5011) id E111AC406E11C; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:01:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from summit.websitewelcome.com (summit.websitewelcome.com [174.120.172.34]) by gateway11.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D303EC406E0F8 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:01:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from [113.11.117.95] (port=36474 helo=[192.168.1.100]) by summit.websitewelcome.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rx258-0000NA-G9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:01:03 -0600 Message-ID: <1329163260.2566.0.camel@arifLaptop> From: Arif Hossain To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:01:00 +0600 Organization: IBSS Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ZLDvzbCn74YEgr0QVN6c" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.2- Mime-Version: 1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - summit.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bansberrysg.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.1.100]) [113.11.117.95]:36474 X-Source-Auth: arif@bansberrysg.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: YmFuczttYXNoZmlxO3N1bW1pdC53ZWJzaXRld2VsY29tZS5jb20= Subject: Installing Gnome and Xorg from installation DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:18:59 -0000 --=-ZLDvzbCn74YEgr0QVN6c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. I have got Installation dvd for freebsd 9.0. I've succesfully installed it in vmware. Now i want to install the packages included in the dvd. Somehow or the other sysinstall can not mount the dvd. So i manually mounted it in /mnt and copied the /package folder into my /root. Now what should i do to install a working gnome2 desktop? if i give something like pkg_add -vn *, it reports several missing dependencies. So how should i install it properly without downloading anything? 2. I want to see codes for the base system. During installation i've selected "source" to be installed. there are sources for "some" packages in /usr/source but for some i see only Makefiles. How to get these other sources? 3. I alway use git and svn. and i'm not looking forward to learn cvs. I want my "base" system source tree to be updated through svn. Now does the sources included in dvd is tracked by svn or cvs? i mean to get the latest development snapshot for the "base" system should i have to do something more or i just can do "svn update"? 4. I'm a old linux user, this is infact my first bsd installation but i'm loving the "way of bsd". Its a wonderful=20 --=20 "You have a voice" ----The King's Speech Public Key : $ gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-key C88CFC23 --=-ZLDvzbCn74YEgr0QVN6c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJPOWv8AAoJEC5xXok4yGSPY40H/3poTnTeNpC+q61Fr8ML3Gq6 oY6PWSyrbFGkoLGxBRm9EQJbgYzu537E3nSQ4qel3/etdpLs9LdcwteYQcunjGpl P79m1+d9urOLNEs4tM0lSDqsA553+zDEkYWrrjC7n/eQogi34SfGTdhg7ZgE1DTk HDdOF9WhpqSXcEmw9nL4AjnIBx7EtqDKLz0yMwTNy1m7MpnStRNS4wufD9XgE0Dz T1UycyQN6p4fRFEUHdJF2gUsmeUQLg9FhupSwhGdPLp86nWmW0YPjGY6r//2oq8D gHjhiSqPjE/ph/PG080ajpAlSQMhsj7OYae+q4g9vqlD/gt0sBKTpWiZhIuSE7o= =R/cA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ZLDvzbCn74YEgr0QVN6c-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 21:04:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5188F106566C for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:04:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@bsdlabs.com) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D73B8FC22 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:04:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Received: from ua-83-227-186-34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (ua-83-227-186-34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [83.227.186.34]) by webmail.inter-sonic.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:47:50 +0100 Message-ID: <20120213214750.11005temcju13xss@webmail.inter-sonic.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:47:50 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.10) / FreeBSD-7.4 Subject: anyone familiar with cyrus-sasl2? Allocating sasl connection state: generic failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:04:39 -0000 Hi, I am in the process of upgrading my laptop from 8- to 9-STABLE, thus also rebuilding a LOT of ports. I now notice that Postfix stopped to work with SASL AUTH (TLS and unencrypted is fine), and it appears that the problem is with cyrus-sasl2. I've gotten as far as building the sample server and client and when I try to start sample-server it returns "sample-server: Allocating sasl connection state: generic failure" Could someone please with better knowledge take a look at the trace below (follow the link) and possible find out where the problem lies? Most likely something I screwed up myself... Thanks! ----- Attachments https://webmail.inter-sonic.com/imp/attachment.php?u=peobsd&t=1329166070&f=cyrus-sasl2-ktrace From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 21:09:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D29A106566C for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:09:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9DE8FC0A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:09:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Message-ID: <4F3977A3.90608@intersonic.se> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:50:43 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: anyone familiar with cyrus-sasl2? Allocating sasl connection state: generic failure X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:09:39 -0000 Hi, I am in the process of upgrading my laptop from 8- to 9-STABLE, thus also rebuilding a LOT of ports. I now notice that Postfix stopped to work with SASL AUTH (TLS and unencrypted is fine), and it appears that the problem is with cyrus-sasl2. I've gotten as far as building the sample server and client and when I try to start sample-server it returns "sample-server: Allocating sasl connection state: generic failure" Could someone please with better knowledge take a look at the ktrace below (follow the link) and possible find out where the problem lies? Most likely something I screwed up myself... The command was ktrace -f ./ktrace ./sample-server -p 8000 -s rcmd -m PLAIN Thanks! ----- Attachments http://webmail.inter-sonic.com/imp/attachment.php?u=peobsd&t=1329166070&f=cyrus-sasl2-ktrace From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 13 21:41:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20DC106564A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:41:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCDD8FC15 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1DLeuLr019218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:40:57 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1DLeuLr019218 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329169257; bh=doypnrH/JaZCE0RruZH8hCDU0yqn4S2OfbTy8F5lGv0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=vawhsWQF3Oj7KhAOwkuNi78Nfx3JMcPoBIW0eH4t7TEWzrtnMTfP/VDGjVictytox oO9uUSdwSPGerKZwTWWxT78on36rTuak+iOZlacV/tWwuMga+LPyvpZJhNdkBTkdyP RyuNGhVJWVNexCThQW9Y/80q/T7bifGWz/IrLnkQ= Message-ID: <4F39835C.2090604@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:40:44 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1329163260.2566.0.camel@arifLaptop> In-Reply-To: <1329163260.2566.0.camel@arifLaptop> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF850BEC05994B3E56DC80F00" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Installing Gnome and Xorg from installation DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:41:08 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF850BEC05994B3E56DC80F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13/02/2012 20:01, Arif Hossain wrote: > 1. I have got Installation dvd for freebsd 9.0. I've succesfully > installed it in vmware. Now i want to install the packages included in > the dvd. Somehow or the other sysinstall can not mount the dvd. So i > manually mounted it in /mnt and copied the /package folder into > my /root. Now what should i do to install a working gnome2 desktop? if = i > give something like pkg_add -vn *, it reports several missing > dependencies. So how should i install it properly without downloading > anything? Set PKG_PATH in your environment. See pkg_add(1) for details. >=20 > 2. I want to see codes for the base system. During installation i've > selected "source" to be installed. there are sources for "some" package= s > in /usr/source but for some i see only Makefiles. How to get these othe= r > sources? That's intentional. You can find the missing sources under /usr/src/contrib, /usr/src/crypto > 3. I alway use git and svn. and i'm not looking forward to learn cvs. I= > want my "base" system source tree to be updated through svn. Now does > the sources included in dvd is tracked by svn or cvs? i mean to get the= > latest development snapshot for the "base" system should i have to do > something more or i just can do "svn update"? Base system is svn now, although it's exported to cvs as well for backwards compatibility. http://wiki.freebsd.org/SubversionPrimer > 4. I'm a old linux user, this is infact my first bsd installation but > i'm loving the "way of bsd". Its a wonderful=20 Yuo. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigF850BEC05994B3E56DC80F00 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk85g2gACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzscACdEea7nH5L7WUV0fEY2OhzFia9 MdoAn2EUl9G3jjP+C+98OqouEVWHjE+w =br8F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF850BEC05994B3E56DC80F00-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 01:56:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09F71065675 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pancakeking79@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752D68FC1A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so6611880lag.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:56:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iYSuXlHpKB8eYWwP/42FzVGzR/AYfMLvQ4Iw+7j4bek=; b=sWYs6yHabCfiWfRUjhyHoMPEhXEeG54P7nbR52v1gWVWQEgLag1G0Ke9ei1JgTq7PG sLTgdUs2RVa/OhCrrvkPLBA+vSakXW0r4UwdIPEubxGolcVt74W/yUL6SNwcQzrYIur2 ubWEVJFaVz/l/FFCEwizl31+Z7T+ogWrjEj4E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.27.165 with SMTP id u5mr6388761lbg.48.1329184595142; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.113.68 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:56:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:56:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: _ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:56:37 -0000 Hi, Before making the move from 7.0 to 8.2, I ran a little script that did a backup of selected files and folders. Trying to recover these files on 8.2, I found that some of the archives - unfortunately those with the files that are dear to me - are corrupted. In other words, I just wanted to ask if there's anyone on here, who knows of a good repair utility for corrupted tar.gz archives? Thanks pancakeking79 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 02:13:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBF4106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vogelke@hcst.net) Received: from beta.hcst.com (beta.hcst.com [192.52.183.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021088FC12 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from beta.hcst.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id q1E2DYgq022651 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:13:34 -0500 Received: (from vogelke@localhost) by beta.hcst.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q1E2DYVK022650; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:13:34 -0500 Received: by kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil (Postfix, from userid 32768) id 669CDBFA3; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:57:12 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Henry Olyer on Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:34:20 -0500) Organization: Array Infotech X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for the USAF or Array Infotech. X-GPG-ID: 1024D/711752A0 2006-06-27 Karl Vogel X-GPG-Fingerprint: 56EB 6DBF 4224 C953 F417 CC99 4C7C 7D46 7117 52A0 References: <1237723287.20120207235924@yandex.ru> <4F31A260.20109@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120207231716.31aa8bc3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120209032544.GA58560@ozzmosis.com> Message-Id: <20120214015712.669CDBFA3@kev.msw.wpafb.af.mil> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:57:12 -0500 (EST) From: vogelke+unix@pobox.com (Karl Vogel) Subject: Re: 'rm' Can not delete files X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:13:36 -0000 >> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:34:20 -0500, >> Henry Olyer said: H> I never learned a shell language. I suppose no one is as dumb as H> someone who choose's not to learn, so, what's the right one. csh? Not for scripting: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ I work in an environment containing FreeBSD, Solaris, and Linux boxes. Using a subset of BASH that also runs under the Korn Shell helps avoid portability surprises if I want to get something running on a different box, or if I post a script to a mailing list. If you're already in the habit of writing BASH and you have /bin/ksh installed, running "ksh -n" will syntax-check your script without executing it. I *think* pdksh does the same thing. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company My choices in life were either to be a piano player in a whore-house or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference. --Harry Truman From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 02:31:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52F9106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@mthelicon.com) Received: from hercules.mthelicon.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:49f0:2023::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C04F8FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PortaPegIII (hydra.fletchermoorland.co.uk [78.33.209.59] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by hercules.mthelicon.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1E2V0Mc019229; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:31:02 GMT (envelope-from ken@mthelicon.com) From: "Pegasus Mc Cleaft" To: "'_'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:30:59 -0000 Message-ID: <004e01cceac0$b1f86c10$15e94430$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aczqu/i/O8e3huGCQ7mVMHIG/SEYCAABKEtw Content-Language: en-gb X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=15.0 tests=BAYES_00,DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX, FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1 autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on hercules.mthelicon.com Cc: Subject: RE: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:31:28 -0000 Hi, It would depend, I think, on how the file is corrupted. Is it the compressed data that is corrupted or the uncompressed tar stream? You might want to try the pax(1) utility to see if it is able to push through the errors (if its in the tar stream). I was able to recover data from a corrupted cpio file that I created (I was using huge file lengths and didn't realize that cpio had a file size limit). Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of _ > Sent: 14 February 2012 01:57 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( > > Hi, > > Before making the move from 7.0 to 8.2, I ran a little script that did a > backup of selected files and folders. > > Trying to recover these files on 8.2, I found that some of the archives > - unfortunately those with the files that are dear to me - are > corrupted. > > In other words, I just wanted to ask if there's anyone on here, who > knows of a good repair utility for corrupted tar.gz archives? > > Thanks > > pancakeking79 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 02:42:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C41106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A763B8FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so2347209eek.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:42:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=XOEq1Y9GrVsI1AZJSgKQJFBWnTMY2cEFLIfI1X9hxc0=; b=YbtaQxps+wMQHXbbXruq/TlVQUjJB6/gyC+rjTici7diIlTdW9JUfkaMB+62MSGFMb Kjv4U9oNjzT/q478H0IQ2I2NDtyjHggHl4Lw+NNiK1DreMNRluAhaLbkIe1V6FH0Mdze 1xCDaL3XaaXPD2VdZ2n3yeDg3XDV4ptFDrYJE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.27.4 with SMTP id g4mr3110868ebc.110.1329185472544; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.9.201 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:11:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:11:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: APseudoUtopia To: _ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:42:10 -0000 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:56 PM, _ wrote: > Hi, > > Before making the move from 7.0 to 8.2, I ran a little script that did a > backup of selected files > and folders. > > Trying to recover these files on 8.2, I found that some of the archives - > unfortunately those with > the files that are dear to me - are corrupted. > > In other words, I just wanted to ask if there's anyone on here, who knows > of a good repair > utility for corrupted tar.gz archives? > > Thanks > > pancakeking79 Hrm....What command/script did you run to create the archive? How did you transfer it over to the new system? What command are you using to attempt to extract it, and what error is it giving? You can try: gunzip < archive.tar.gz > archive.partial.tar Which may or may not giving you some of the files into the archive.partial.tar file. What does gzip --test archive.tar.gz give? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 03:38:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28497106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:38:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pancakeking79@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m020-f182.google.com (mail-lpp01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992398FC14 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbbgj3 with SMTP id gj3so4162001lbb.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:38:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JEEbJOa/hdR8ueB3ZYQSd2322njQqirMF6z1QJTnZOA=; b=DA+lSFPXMh0R1aga/jhujsu+q9xtkxTowm+9A9RDNu9nkHrsUpibiSCke2XBG8jJfn kR5lq3JyT30FIC9ks2dIl+Naz0mwDsZoRI5AtSLfoSM1mf2FT7X2VrltbVoYgPkMLLpt ZzRu1wmJK/4uxXiCopLjnMSk4LmrwKMOsUCoI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.8.41 with SMTP id o9mr6710842lba.9.1329190702279; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:38:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.113.68 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:38:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 04:38:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: _ To: APseudoUtopia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:38:24 -0000 2012/2/14, APseudoUtopia : > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:56 PM, _ wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Before making the move from 7.0 to 8.2, I ran a little script that did a >> backup of selected files >> and folders. >> >> Trying to recover these files on 8.2, I found that some of the archives - >> unfortunately those with >> the files that are dear to me - are corrupted. >> >> In other words, I just wanted to ask if there's anyone on here, who knows >> of a good repair >> utility for corrupted tar.gz archives? >> >> Thanks >> >> pancakeking79 > > Hrm....What command/script did you run to create the archive? How did > you transfer it over to the new system? What command are you using to > attempt to extract it, and what error is it giving? > > You can try: > gunzip < archive.tar.gz > archive.partial.tar > Which may or may not giving you some of the files into the > archive.partial.tar file. > > What does gzip --test archive.tar.gz give? > I don't have the script anymore. It is among the files lost, but it was pretty much straight forward, making use of: tar -czf backupfile.tar.gz folders/ of/ my/ choice/. After creating the backups I just cp(1)ed them to an msdosfs formated usb stick and got them onto 8.2 this way, so the famous ascii/binary trap shouldn't be an issue here. Here are some of the outputs I get: # ls setcd12292011.tar.gz su12292011.tar.gz sr12292011.tar.gz # tar -xvf sr12292011.tar.gz x root/ [snipped] tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. # tar -xvf su12292011.tar.gz x usr/home/user/ [snipped] tar: Damaged tar archive tar: Retrying... tar: Damaged tar archive tar: Retrying... tar: Damaged tar archive tar: Retrying... tar: Damaged tar archive tar: Retrying... tar: Damaged tar archive tar: Retrying... tar: gzip decompression failed tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. # gzip --test sr12292011.tar.gz gzip: data stream error gzip: sr12292011.tar.gz: uncompress failed # gunzip < sr12292011.tar.gz > archive.partial.tar gunzip: data stream error It recreates something, but the most important files, which reside in subfolders of the given tar.gz archives are gone, i.e. the subfolders are empty. The gunzip strategy you mentioned yields the same as a regular tar -xvf file.tar.gz. Pegasus, I have yet to try the pax(1) approach. I will let you know about how that went. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 03:49:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F15B106566B for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:49:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@mthelicon.com) Received: from hercules.mthelicon.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:49f0:2023::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FDB8FC12 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from PortaPegIII (hydra.fletchermoorland.co.uk [78.33.209.59] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by hercules.mthelicon.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1E3matf019744; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:48:37 GMT (envelope-from ken@mthelicon.com) From: "Pegasus Mc Cleaft" To: "'_'" , "'APseudoUtopia'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:48:35 -0000 Message-ID: <005201cceacb$884ead60$98ec0820$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AczqyirYJI7zjBVtTgGJ+fz2mJS4xAAAL+sQ Content-Language: en-gb X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=15.0 tests=BAYES_00,DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX, FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1 autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on hercules.mthelicon.com Cc: 'freebsd-questions' Subject: RE: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:49:48 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > tar: Damaged tar archive > tar: Retrying... > tar: gzip decompression failed > tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. > # gzip --test sr12292011.tar.gz > gzip: data stream error > gzip: sr12292011.tar.gz: uncompress failed # gunzip < sr12292011.tar.gz > > archive.partial.tar > gunzip: data stream error > > It recreates something, but the most important files, which reside in > subfolders of the given tar.gz archives are gone, i.e. the subfolders > are empty. > The gunzip strategy you mentioned yields the same as a regular tar -xvf > file.tar.gz. > > Pegasus, I have yet to try the pax(1) approach. I will let you know > about how that went. Hummmmm.. I'm not sure if pax will be able to help in this case. From the looks of it, somehow the compressed data got corrupted - I don't think pax will be able to deal with this any better than tar did. I wonder if there was a change in gzip (like maybe libarchive) between the two versions of BSD that might be causing the problem. If I were attacking the problem, I might try booting up off a 7.x bootcd and see if I can gzip --test the archive from the usb stick. Peg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 05:12:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E58B1065670 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:12:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B125E8FC12 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1E5CaEs037215; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:12:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4F39ED2B.5010707@bananmonarki.se> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:12:11 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:12:39 -0000 2012-02-13 16:28, Matthew Seaman skrev: Thank you for your answer. > On 13/02/2012 15:08, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> Is this is OT then i'm sorry. >> >> Trying to get sendmail act as a mua, following this tutorial >> >> http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/auth.html >> >> Scroll down a bit to Using send.... >> >> Is it really necessary to install cycrus-sasl2? >> >> How do one make sendmail to pick sasl2 up when building sendmail. >> Is there a make.conf line I must add? When telnetting auth works >> but using telnet to send mail has a very low WAF. >> >> I've installed cyrus-sasl2 but then what. > > Yes -- you do need cyrus-sasl2 for this purpose. > > To build sendmail with SASL, either use the ports version in > mail/sendmail, where you can select SASL as one of the options, > or add: > > SENDMAIL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include -DSASL=2 > SENDMAIL_LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib > SENDMAIL_LDADD=-lsasl2 > > to /etc/make.conf -- see /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf for more > details. This will give you a SASL-enabled base system sendmail once > you rebuild it. Is that rebuild as in cd /usr/src && make buildworld or cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail && make > Note that the second choice makes your base system dependent on stuff > external to it, which may or may not be desirable. > > Oh, and before anyone else chimes in with a knee-jerk reaction about > using sendmail: there are other MTAs that can provide this > functionality. As an alternative, either postfix or exim could do what > you want too. Sendmail works just fine for me though. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 05:50:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2A3106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33CB8FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1E5oH9f038074; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:50:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <4F39F600.1030605@bananmonarki.se> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:49:52 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, nzp@riseup.net References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120213163516.GA9706@sputnjik.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20120213163516.GA9706@sputnjik.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:50:20 -0000 2012-02-13 17:35, Nikola Pavlović skrev: > > If I understood Bernt correctly, he wants to use it to relay mail to > some remote MTA (ISP's or similar) That is correct. > There are lightweight MTAs just for this purpose, > I use mail/msmtp and it works great with multiple accounts. > Usually, this is much simpler to set up than using > a real MTA like Sendmail or Postfix. If it is simple then it's no fun ;) > Not that I have anything against using Sendmail and friends for this > purpose. Just my $0.02. ;) > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 05:57:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F88106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:57:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7B78FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so6133753wib.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:57:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LJdhabgagS5uZSqvGSO+wE+YjGTMGrKZgIjJJRms35s=; b=p4/W0vWCvADYgTfzvXsO04NRAD4FPOdl18zKF+nSryqW0G4U8/IkNzXdaKEYI/FGMC q1MCvG4tZpJpTZ3Sb+nMKciZwY1FfxmvCZSi7lwT/a0urRJbWf8WcYcA2Akb8v1Ky8Wy 6MoMJjNE8p0F3z0ZVzxDca2BWKpSr0vozueZc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.99.7 with SMTP id em7mr7315754wib.7.1329199029333; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.62.70 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:57:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:57:09 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: _ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:57:11 -0000 On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:56 PM, _ wrote: > Before making the move from 7.0 to 8.2, I ran a little script that did a > backup of selected files > and folders. > I think it's IT tip #2 "You don't have a backup unless it's tested". #1 is "Make a backup". You could try archivers/gzrecover Good luck, -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 06:52:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA631065676 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kes-kes@yandex.ru) Received: from forward6.mail.yandex.net (unknown [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:202:22cf:30ff:fe6b:6ebc]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFF48FC12 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp7.mail.yandex.net (smtp7.mail.yandex.net [77.88.61.55]) by forward6.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 67EA51121A26 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:52:50 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1329202370; bh=sNb1gf1A+dTbQ5F5+cZyOTJHG9iOyeSWJJUOoeJ9ICU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nV7lqYwmbjlsd+YXlY8BZDiEs9TNPCYi22ILaasWaVE9h6ibrYbeUxAMQxye2tP19 smn4QGjfnrnMAmhAxRlWIl30nXgwFTwSHics3RtbT1GO8LNDKtzbsL8rMaNRzVNoB+ IVmzsM8H+HuieAIO8rs/tb9p2fUW+uv2wrAXZpLY= Received: from smtp7.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp7.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 4DBAF1580256 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:52:50 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1329202370; bh=sNb1gf1A+dTbQ5F5+cZyOTJHG9iOyeSWJJUOoeJ9ICU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:Message-ID:To:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nV7lqYwmbjlsd+YXlY8BZDiEs9TNPCYi22ILaasWaVE9h6ibrYbeUxAMQxye2tP19 smn4QGjfnrnMAmhAxRlWIl30nXgwFTwSHics3RtbT1GO8LNDKtzbsL8rMaNRzVNoB+ IVmzsM8H+HuieAIO8rs/tb9p2fUW+uv2wrAXZpLY= Received: from unknown (unknown [77.93.52.20]) by smtp7.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id qnlKXbcP-qnlufkqJ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:52:49 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:52:48 +0200 From: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <69910929.20120214085248@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: how to find cause of crash? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:52:52 -0000 Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Freebsd-questions. # last -n20 adm pts/0 10.10.1.40 Tue Feb 14 08:41 still logged in boot time Tue Feb 14 08:35 adm pts/1 10.10.1.40 Tue Feb 14 07:00 - crash (01:35) adm pts/0 10.10.1.40 Tue Feb 14 06:59 - crash (01:35) adm pts/0 10.10.1.40 Tue Feb 14 03:03 - 03:04 (00:01) # cd /var/crash # ls -l total 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2 Dec 16 00:11 bounds -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5 Dec 19 10:27 minfree # uname -a FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #1 r231520M: Mon Feb 13 00:46:05 EET 2012 :/usr/obj/usr/src.svn/head10.2012-02-10/sys/KES_KERN_v10 i386 No any usefull messages in /var/log/messages and /var/log/console Feb 14 08:27:11 dhcpd: uid lease 10.7.28.68 for client 20:cf:30:de:70:e3 is duplicate on 10.7.28.0/23 Feb 14 08:35:11 syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel Feb 14 08:35:11 kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2012 The FreeBSD Project. Feb 14 08:35:11 kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Feb 14 08:35:11 kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. .... /var/log/console Feb 14 08:27:11 meta-up kernel: Feb 14 08:27:11 meta-up dhcpd: uid lease 10.7.28.68 for client 20:cf:30:de:70:e3 is duplicate on 10.7.28.0/23 Feb 14 08:35:11 meta-up kernel: Setting hostuuid: 03000200-0400-0500-0006-000700080009. #dmesg lock order reversal: 1st 0xe091598c bufwait (bufwait) @ /usr/src.svn/head10.2012-02-10/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c:260 2nd 0xca00c85c snaplk (snaplk) @ /usr/src.svn/head10.2012-02-10/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_snapshot.c:2301 KDB: stack backtrace: db_trace_self_wrapper(c0ba962d,30322e30,302d3231,30312d32,7379732f,...) at db_trace_self_wrapper+0x26 kdb_backtrace(c07dea3b,c0bad19e,c0e2e718,8fd,ef6fb858,...) at kdb_backtrace+0x2a _witness_debugger(c0bad19e,ca00c85c,c0bd8466,c6d59dc8,c0bd83ee,...) at _witness_debugger+0x25 witness_checkorder(ca00c85c,9,c0bd83ee,8fd,0,...) at witness_checkorder+0x86f __lockmgr_args(ca00c85c,80900,c757fe48,0,0,...) at __lockmgr_args+0x824 ffs_copyonwrite(c757fdd0,e091592c,0,e091592c,c9f3f220,...) at ffs_copyonwrite+0x2bd ffs_geom_strategy(c757fe7c,e091592c,c0c9a1f8,c9a99000,c9cd4990,...) at ffs_geom_strategy+0xeb ufs_strategy(ef6fba18,c0825a78,c9cd4990,e091592c,0,...) at ufs_strategy+0xd3 VOP_STRATEGY_APV(c0cb6140,ef6fba18,c9cd4990,c0cc32a0,c9f3f220,...) at VOP_STRATEGY_APV+0xb5 bufstrategy(c9f3f2cc,e091592c,e5,e091598c,e091592c,...) at bufstrategy+0x61 bufwrite(e091592c,e091592c,1,106,0,...) at bufwrite+0x159 ffs_syncvnode(c9f3f220,1,0,0,c9f3f2cc,...) at ffs_syncvnode+0x385 ffs_fsync(ef6fbb00,c9f213a0,ef6fbb00,ef6fbb00,ef6fbb1c,...) at ffs_fsync+0x27 VOP_FSYNC_APV(c0cb6140,ef6fbb00,500800c,0,c9f3f220,...) at VOP_FSYNC_APV+0xa5 ufs_remove(ef6fbc1c,0,0,0,c9f40110,...) at ufs_remove+0xd2 VOP_REMOVE_APV(c0cb6140,ef6fbc1c,c9f40110,ef6fbb94,c084da98,...) at VOP_REMOVE_APV+0xa5 kern_unlinkat(c9a99000,ffffff9c,80656c0,0,0,...) at kern_unlinkat+0x258 kern_unlink(c9a99000,80656c0,0,ef6fbd1c,c0a57b67,...) at kern_unlink+0x2f sys_unlink(c9a99000,ef6fbcec,c0bf189a,c0b949ee,202,...) at sys_unlink+0x22 syscall(ef6fbd28) at syscall+0x2a7 Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x21 --- syscall (10, FreeBSD ELF32, sys_unlink), eip = 0x2819de3f, esp = 0xbfbfe47c, ebp = 0xbfbfea98 --- lock order reversal: 1st 0xca00c85c snaplk (snaplk) @ /usr/src.svn/head10.2012-02-10/sys/kern/vfs_vnops.c:307 2nd 0xc9f40168 ufs (ufs) @ /usr/src.svn/head10.2012-02-10/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_snapshot.c:1631 KDB: stack backtrace: db_trace_self_wrapper(c0ba962d,2d32302d,732f3031,752f7379,662f7366,...) at db_trace_self_wrapper+0x26 kdb_backtrace(c07dea3b,c0bad19e,c0e2e708,65f,ef6fb6e4,...) at kdb_backtrace+0x2a _witness_debugger(c0bad19e,c9f40168,c0b9b6f0,c6d59610,c0bd83ee,...) at _witness_debugger+0x25 witness_checkorder(c9f40168,9,c0bd83ee,65f,0,...) at witness_checkorder+0x86f __lockmgr_args(c9f40168,80000,0,0,0,...) at __lockmgr_args+0x824 ffs_snapremove(c9f40110,c6d551d0,c,c0e2e708,0,...) at ffs_snapremove+0x11f ffs_truncate(c9f40110,0,0,c00,0,...) at ffs_truncate+0x587 ufs_inactive(ef6fbab8,c9f40188,c9f40110,c9f40188,ef6fbad0,...) at ufs_inactive+0x1f8 VOP_INACTIVE_APV(c0cb6140,ef6fbab8,c0bb5503,96f,c0cc3200,...) at VOP_INACTIVE_APV+0xa5 vinactive(c0cb6140,ef6fbaec,c0bb5503,8c6,0,...) at vinactive+0x8e vputx(ef6fbb54,c08533aa,c9f40110,ef6fbb30,c0bb6a10,...) at vputx+0x2f8 vput(c9f40110,ef6fbb30,c0bb6a10,133,0,...) at vput+0x10 vn_close(c9f40110,1,c6da3e80,c9a99000,0,...) at vn_close+0x19a vn_closefile(c7459540,c9a99000,0,0,c7459540,...) at vn_closefile+0xe4 _fdrop(c7459540,c9a99000,0,ef6fbc18,0,c07eea1a,c0e2e708,c9a990b0,c0e2e708,c0c9bac0,c9a99000,c9c7092c,4ce,ef6fbc28,c07ad715,c9c7092c,8,c0b9e9be,c7459540) at _fdrop+0x43 closef(c7459540,c9a99000,4ce,ef6fbc4c,c9c7092c,...) at closef+0x2b0 kern_close(c9a99000,4,ef6fbd1c,c0a57b67,c9a99000,...) at kern_close+0x139 sys_close(c9a99000,ef6fbcec,c0bf189a,c0bae4cc,282,...) at sys_close+0x1a syscall(ef6fbd28) at syscall+0x2a7 Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x21 --- syscall (6, FreeBSD ELF32, sys_close), eip = 0x281b05c3, esp = 0xbfbfea9c, ebp = 0xbfbfede8 --- how to find cause why it was rebooted? -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 07:02:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDA81065670 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:02:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hemi@puresimplicity.net) Received: from just.puresimplicity.net (just.puresimplicity.net [68.77.126.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB188FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-98-228-136-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net [98.228.136.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by just.puresimplicity.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1E72Z2H019889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:02:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hemi@puresimplicity.net) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96 at just.puresimplicity.net Message-ID: <4F3A0705.70506@puresimplicity.net> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:02:29 -0600 From: Josh Tolbert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bah@bananmonarki.se References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F39ED2B.5010707@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <4F39ED2B.5010707@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (just.puresimplicity.net [68.77.126.251]); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:02:36 -0600 (CST) Cc: Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:02:39 -0000 On 2/13/2012 11:12 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > Thank you for your answer. > I wrote this ages ago and it's still valid. You can ignore the IMAP stuff if you like. :) http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/freebsd/sendmail.html Cheers, Josh -- Josh Tolbert hemi@puresimplicity.net || http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/ Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 07:32:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AE2106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:32:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828E38FC14 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so6792168iae.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:32:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qBfEw9/Fz4A+wsSaJSS4pr+Dlf3ekjSZ2S7DReVi2EA=; b=GjGqTEzzWHD7gN79Xka6DQgHYBuHEFNyKTKCF6lZjAoOnfpxpr2sCdhJrA2qq+TS7b I2CPo7hBayi3p8Pn0IAgVoizVyPPL4x1RYGXdeQUm5vFZCDXsDHk4oKAKzaCuD1qZgfp h4JxiGPWNr1AegVPoiqqm2oomUJpCrHzaowPU= Received: by 10.50.188.234 with SMTP id gd10mr1587803igc.29.1329204746046; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-98-212-197-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.197.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch2sm25057076igb.4.2012.02.13.23.32.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:32:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3A0E06.2080606@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:32:22 -0600 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120213110840.ab89da28.siefke_listen@web.de> <4F38ED79.1080206@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F390077.6461.C4E215@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> <20120213185200.f0a50352.siefke@email.de> In-Reply-To: <20120213185200.f0a50352.siefke@email.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:32:26 -0000 On 2/13/2012 11:52 AM, siefke@email.de wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:22:15 -0000 Dave wrote: >> Don't you have to install/load a module for Linux binary compatability to >> work in F'BSD? I seem to remember that being mentioned during a recent >> 8.something install. > > I have load the kernel module with boot. > > freebsd-desk# cat /etc/rc.conf | grep linux > linux_enable="YES" > > freebsd-desk# cat /boot/loader.conf | grep linux > linux_load="YES" > > freebsd-desk# kldstat | grep linux > 2 2 0xc0cc7000 2fc34 linux.ko > > > Regards > Silvio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" What does brandelf report for the executables? And what does env give you, and `sysctl -a | grep linux`? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 07:56:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED76F106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pancakeking79@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662A58FC1D for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so6848891lag.13 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:56:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=K7p6ukfRMI8EbUIPZQGe8XHbQ3tASc1eocaJtqlzCpA=; b=R4SHPWKnmeUkt0ew8WqTfiVVpWmKAkSI+gyhYxgZOmAX5o3rBW+qr9lapAR+qtJ7xw y1MpppIcKnv1ZW6I3yljRQLeQ3RUaaz+aKxFXPwu231rlKLdBlduDfL9bIe60JEXuxs3 UEjQAfD+4Ul+Y8iI7em49M0/IUUp0XRb8euRI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.133.229 with SMTP id pf5mr13548665lab.18.1329206160110; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.113.68 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:56:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:56:00 +0100 Message-ID: From: _ To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: ken@mthelicon.com, freebsd-questions Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:56:02 -0000 2012/2/14, Adam Vande More : > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:56 PM, _ wrote: > >> Before making the move from 7.0 to 8.2, I ran a little script that did a >> backup of selected files >> and folders. >> > > I think it's IT tip #2 "You don't have a backup unless it's tested". #1 is > "Make a backup". If I am not mistaken, I did test my backups and they worked fine. After all, one of the four files that I have unpacks with no problems so I don't see where things could have gone wrong. > You could try archivers/gzrecover After gzrecover and cpio, the process stops at the same point where the tar(1) command stops. It simply doesn't make it beyond the boundary where the file is corrupted. > Good luck, > > -- > Adam Vande More > Here is what pax(1) gave me: # pax -rzf su12292011.tar.gz pax: Invalid header, starting valid header search. gzip: data stream error pax: End of archive volume 1 reached ATTENTION! pax archive volume change required. Ready for archive volume: 2 Input archive name or "." to quit pax. Archive name > . Quitting pax! # Nothing new here. It seems like pax simply invokes gzip(1) internally. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 08:01:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0AA1065673 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B268FC13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1E81cWx031299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:01:38 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1E81cWx031299 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329206498; bh=VgdMlUdwRqg5rCOsotXTCqY6cV4rh7N5v4gt4Dh6Pvw=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=lFWKgDtxbK8BScaOn3exwmHBjmiQ8Q8JIbm0AHjE7tGG9YNdRXKR7lHQ+KX4NPZbN F2S5qOnQ5vXZeYJF0MhCFmLSyd1yIyMyUpPacHYJYiZ5qa/7bPuiQ367kvuldg6FyW 6dzuJEKYnJ3KrA4W7vCdll3F9DdO85GxY7q3i8lc= Message-ID: <4F3A14DA.80506@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:01:30 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F39ED2B.5010707@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <4F39ED2B.5010707@bananmonarki.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1520ABCE9CF0A48256207D6E" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:01:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1520ABCE9CF0A48256207D6E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/02/2012 05:12, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Is that rebuild as in cd /usr/src && make buildworld or > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail && make Either of those should do it. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig1520ABCE9CF0A48256207D6E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk86FOIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwKugCfcYwf4JOL1kVWf9L5YZYlR+bb oUUAn2zaaPdlKh9jLJHpk+sJF+SnbdQ+ =Mq6K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1520ABCE9CF0A48256207D6E-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 08:14:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B39106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2DB8FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1E8EN71031499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:14:23 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1E8EN71031499 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329207263; bh=9BkzxhbMNZpF2EL9ZPyX+gWqrZBBIuJXji62ethGNoI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=MNDz5MeJPYLxt5nX91DGqVHl0NiidnYz1LkZF2D0BpIQpLK4a9fOD9saC/wC9GNdF JUHD9Mp/crEWiwml6KPkXmmQDzYXN4DqVpAIf0eceyNPfTJjp4ApohoRUVSv6hQRWs sMPxnguRuGcUe5TpHBTBDwhF0f5ix/iGzObDMe50= Message-ID: <4F3A17DF.6080207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:14:23 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F3A15AC.6030403@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <4F3A15AC.6030403@bananmonarki.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9752573CD7078AF72BBD3CA9" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, URIBL_RED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:14:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9752573CD7078AF72BBD3CA9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/02/2012 08:05, Bernt Hansson wrote: > I have rebuilt and installed world, but no cigar. >=20 >=20 > Feb 14 08:50:40 reader sendmail[1147]: q1E7oe7l001147: > to=3Dbah@bananmonarki.se, ctladdr=3Dbernt (1001/1001), delay=3D00:00:00= , > xdelay=3D00:00:00, mailer=3Drelay, pri=3D30064, relay=3D[127.0.0.1] [12= 7.0.0.1], > dsn=3D2.0.0, stat=3DSent (q1E7oevk001148 Message accepted for delivery)= > Feb 14 08:50:41 reader sm-mta[1150]: STARTTLS=3Dclient, relay=3Dmy.isp.= com., > version=3DTLSv1/SSLv3, verify=3DFAIL, cipher=3DDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits= =3D256/256 > Feb 14 08:50:47 reader sm-mta[1150]: q1E7oevk001148: > to=3D, ctladdr=3D (1001/1001), > delay=3D00:00:07, xdelay=3D00:00:07, mailer=3Drelay, pri=3D30391, > relay=3Dmy.isp.com. [x.x.x.x], dsn=3D5.7.1, stat=3DService unavailable > Feb 14 08:50:47 reader sm-mta[1150]: q1E7oevk001148: q1E7olvk001150: > DSN: Service unavailable Look at the output of ldd /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail If there's no mention of sasl2 there, then your modifications to the build process would seem to have failed. Otherwise, it's a configuration problem and you need to double check /etc/mail/$(hostname).mc and your client auth data. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig9752573CD7078AF72BBD3CA9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk86F98ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwrHQCfWoYRF62Udwz5DHeNsqM7EMH0 GncAnjDzvZB01rWpJCmiX/llJRlpEFCX =Y3zO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9752573CD7078AF72BBD3CA9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 09:06:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1778106566B for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0F58FC22 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk5 with SMTP id k5so3572359ggn.13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:06:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=epvBNJwt72jfydTibgXFR2F1DguwFpzKLbIP2MW9oZE=; b=Upmva9CED7eqvs+LjUxv5/7CPYtyCBFe3HK+i1oINGAfCzgC3xptD6wcNcYM1iR/1V z9hMskZ5X7QUESk/R6cpc7zvYjx1aXZrwkCbZQ8mItMpTmaPZ69kAskU8cf7l3KwAYib /6HT3cD7vq8K2XHGalzYzPMdBN/mMXZxWeyYg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.141.1 with SMTP id t1mr7639810ann.44.1329210366836; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.111.20 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:06:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1328995995.65205.1.camel@btw.pki2.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:06:06 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: nightrecon@hotmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can clang compile RELENG_9? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:06:08 -0000 On 11 February 2012 21:45, Michael Powell wrote: > Dennis Glatting wrote: > > > I get errors when trying to compile RELENG_9 with clang. Is clag suppose > > to work when it comes to compiling the OS or am I missing something: > [snip] > > I can't speak to RELENG_9, but I have successfully rebuilt the RELEASE with > CLANG (make/install world kernel). My /etc/make.conf as per instructions I > found on the wiki: > > .if !defined(CC) || ${CC} == "cc" > CC=clang > .endif > .if !defined(CXX) || ${CXX} == "c++" > CXX=clang++ > .endif > .if !defined(CPP) || ${CPP} == "cpp" > CPP=clang-cpp > .endif > # Don't die on warnings > NO_WERROR= > WERROR= > # Don't forget this when using Jails! > NO_FSCHG= > > This was with amd64, have not tried any 32 bit. With custom kernel as well. > > -Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I've been building 9-current and 9-stable for a year or so with few problems. It is a supported configuration after all. It should also create faster binaries as well as gcc 4.3 is quite old now and clang generally stacks up very well with the later gcc versions in terms of binary performance. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 09:43:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0745F106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:43:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C058FC0C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1E9hd7p000293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:43:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q1E9hdvi000290; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:43:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:43:39 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <4F3A23B0.3040009@bananmonarki.se> Message-ID: References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F39ED2B.5010707@bananmonarki.se> <4F3A0705.70506@puresimplicity.net> <4F3A23B0.3040009@bananmonarki.se> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fagskolen_i_Gj=F8vik?= OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-1528682800-1329212619=:7134" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Cc: Josh Tolbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:43:49 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-1528682800-1329212619=:7134 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:04+0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2012-02-14 08:02, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > On 2/13/2012 11:12 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for your answer. > > > > > > > I wrote this ages ago and it's still valid. You can ignore the IMAP > > stuff if you like. :) > > Well, no cigar for me. > > I'm leaning at this line. > And I think it is somehow involed in all this "mess" > > sm-mta[37453]: STARTTLS=client, relay=smtp.isp.com., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, > verify=FAIL, cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256 I'm sorry for jumping into this thread, but verify=FAIL is expected unless you have your ISP's certificate chain stored in the appropriate directory with the appropriate file names. /etc/ssl/certs would be a good place to store the certificates. A command like this one can be used to generate the "hashed" file names: ln -s certfile `openssl x509 -noout -hash < certfile`.0 > Any idea about that? The isp does support STARTTLS. > > telnet smtp.isp.com 25 > Trying x.x.x.x... > Connected to smtp.bredband2.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 smtp.isp.com ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu) > ehlo localhost > 250-smtp.isp.com > 250-PIPELINING > 250-SIZE 102400000 > 250-VRFY > 250-ETRN > 250-STARTTLS > 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN > 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > 250-8BITMIME > 250 DSN > starttls > 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS > > > http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/freebsd/sendmail.html > > That is a good site. Learnt me how to build sendmail at least. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. dir. 61 14 54 39, | Office.....: +47 61 14 54 39, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-1528682800-1329212619=:7134-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 10:40:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B6C1065670 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804DD8FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1EAeAWg001232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:40:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q1EAeAG6001229; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:40:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:40:10 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: Bernt Hansson In-Reply-To: <4F3A334F.60305@bananmonarki.se> Message-ID: References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F39ED2B.5010707@bananmonarki.se> <4F3A0705.70506@puresimplicity.net> <4F3A23B0.3040009@bananmonarki.se> <4F3A334F.60305@bananmonarki.se> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fagskolen_i_Gj=F8vik?= OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-1481896905-1329216003=:7134" Content-ID: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Cc: Josh Tolbert , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:20 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-1481896905-1329216003=:7134 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:11+0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2012-02-14 10:43, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:04+0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > > > > On 2012-02-14 08:02, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > > On 2/13/2012 11:12 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote this ages ago and it's still valid. You can ignore the IMAP > > > > stuff if you like. :) > > > > > > Well, no cigar for me. > > > > > > I'm leaning at this line. > > > And I think it is somehow involed in all this "mess" > > > > > > sm-mta[37453]: STARTTLS=client, relay=smtp.isp.com., version=TLSv1/SSLv3, > > > verify=FAIL, cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA, bits=256/256 > > > > I'm sorry for jumping into this thread, > > Don't be sorry for that. > > > but verify=FAIL is expected > > unless you have your ISP's certificate chain stored in the appropriate > > directory with the appropriate file names. > > I do not have a certificate from the isp. > > My tought was more in line of MY sendmail is sending > starttls first thing before auth login. Actually, this makes sense. It seems appropriate to establish an encrypted connection before sending the username and password. A parallel would be SSH. At the same time the use of SSL/TLS makes it harder to debug what's going on. > Then postfix gets confused. It sounds strange, but there's a slight chance something is odd at the ISP's end. > Possible scenario? I don't have any more input at the moment. The next step would be to establish a dialog with your ISP and persua^Wask them to investigate the matter further. > > /etc/ssl/certs would be a > > good place to store the certificates. > > > > A command like this one can be used to generate the "hashed" file > > names: > > > > ln -s certfile `openssl x509 -noout -hash< certfile`.0 > > > > > Any idea about that? The isp does support STARTTLS. > > > > > > telnet smtp.isp.com 25 > > > Trying x.x.x.x... > > > Connected to smtp.isp.com. > > > Escape character is '^]'. > > > 220 smtp.isp.com ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu) > > > ehlo localhost > > > 250-smtp.isp.com > > > 250-PIPELINING > > > 250-SIZE 102400000 > > > 250-VRFY > > > 250-ETRN > > > 250-STARTTLS > > > 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN > > > 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN > > > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > > > 250-8BITMIME > > > 250 DSN > > > starttls > > > 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS > > > > > > > http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/freebsd/sendmail.html > > > > > > That is a good site. Learnt me how to build sendmail at least. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. dir. 61 14 54 39, | Office.....: +47 61 14 54 39, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-1481896905-1329216003=:7134-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 10:40:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB721065673 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nzp@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [204.13.164.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2FD8FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fulvetta.riseup.net (fulvetta-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33EC95F961 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: nzp@fulvetta.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id 809BC2B5 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:40:34 +0100 From: Nikola =?utf-8?B?UGF2bG92acSH?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120214104034.GB42227@sputnjik.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F39278A.8040502@bananmonarki.se> <4F392C2D.70900@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120213163516.GA9706@sputnjik.localdomain> <4F39F600.1030605@bananmonarki.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4F39F600.1030605@bananmonarki.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Using sendmail as a client with auth X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:38 -0000 On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 06:49:52AM +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-02-13 17:35, Nikola Pavlović skrev: > > There are lightweight MTAs just for this purpose, > >I use mail/msmtp and it works great with multiple accounts. > >Usually, this is much simpler to set up than using > >a real MTA like Sendmail or Postfix. > > If it is simple then it's no fun ;) > Heh, true that. -- Without ice cream life and fame are meaningless. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 13:37:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E123106566C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@barafranca.com) Received: from mail.barafranca.com (mail.barafranca.com [67.213.67.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA5E8FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [172.16.100.24]) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444BC2B3A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:37:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at barafranca.com Received: from mail.barafranca.com ([172.16.100.24]) by localhost (mail.barafranca.com [172.16.100.24]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6WKvXYHdRiTQ for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (a89-152-168-54.cpe.netcabo.pt [89.152.168.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.barafranca.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 025F92B27 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F3A635A.8010702@barafranca.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:36:26 +0000 From: Hugo Silva User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: net/ifstated does not compile on 9.0-RELEASE/amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:37:14 -0000 # make install clean ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE => ifstated-4.7.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. => Attempting to fetch http://christianserving.org/ports/net/ifstated/ifstated-4.7.tar.gz ifstated-4.7.tar.gz 100% of 14 kB 22 kBps ===> Extracting for ifstated-4.7_2,1 => SHA256 Checksum OK for ifstated-4.7.tar.gz. ===> Patching for ifstated-4.7_2,1 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for ifstated-4.7_2,1 ===> ifstated-4.7_2,1 depends on shared library: event - found ===> Configuring for ifstated-4.7_2,1 ===> Building for ifstated-4.7_2,1 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/net/ifstated/work/ifstated-4.7 cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=k8-sse3 -Wall -I/usr/ports/net/ifstated/work/ifstated-4.7 -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wredundant-decls -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-qual -I/usr/local/include -std=gnu99 -fstack-protector -c ifstated.c ifstated.c:42:19: error: event.h: No such file or directory In file included from ifstated.c:46: ifstated.h:50: error: field 'ev' has incomplete type ifstated.h:110: error: field 'ev' has incomplete type ifstated.c: In function 'main': ifstated.c:151: warning: implicit declaration of function 'event_init' ifstated.c:154: warning: implicit declaration of function 'signal_set' ifstated.c:155: warning: implicit declaration of function 'signal_add' ifstated.c:160: warning: implicit declaration of function 'evtimer_set' ifstated.c:161: warning: implicit declaration of function 'evtimer_add' ifstated.c:163: warning: implicit declaration of function 'event_loop' ifstated.c: In function 'startup_handler': ifstated.c:198: warning: implicit declaration of function 'event_set' ifstated.c:198: error: 'EV_READ' undeclared (first use in this function) ifstated.c:198: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ifstated.c:198: error: for each function it appears in.) ifstated.c:198: error: 'EV_PERSIST' undeclared (first use in this function) ifstated.c:199: warning: implicit declaration of function 'event_add' ifstated.c: In function 'external_evtimer_setup': ifstated.c:423: warning: implicit declaration of function 'evtimer_del' ifstated.c: In function 'remove_expression': ifstated.c:763: warning: implicit declaration of function 'event_del' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/ifstated/work/ifstated-4.7. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/ifstated. Regards, Hugo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 13:38:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8263D106566C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:38:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ramirocaso08@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4220B8FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so3702530yhf.13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:38:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WqqgidGbXoN2wfLbzEnBiPg+nyZRYTppN7C2+8emyeE=; b=LqWkWZZ53q6thQmjml0R/MO4fOPTEby2RSJ2p1eXKuGt4+mMHkPhEkJapZIYdViMSk 4RopTMa+kPe426iGH33Y7FqjUSb+gPQkoSy0LhpGoLUHqdz+TmJyPauOUYpkKUjcabhE EP/KqxN8kyLPm+Okkn3FzQ9T7w/lNfgqfWulQ= Received: by 10.236.72.167 with SMTP id t27mr25808418yhd.79.1329224940219; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:09:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([186.22.49.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w44sm29598172yhk.17.2012.02.14.05.08.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:08:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3A5CAE.6090608@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:07:58 -0300 From: Ramiro Caso User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120214 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 9.0-RELEASE: Strange freezing and kernel panics on laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:38:13 -0000 Hi, I'm in need of advice. I've recently installed FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE on my laptop (a Dell Inspiron 1318) with a good deal of success. However, I've been experiencing a few hiccups, to say the least. The kernel is the GENERIC for the amd64 architecture that comes with the installation images (no funny compilation issues on my part): $ uname -a FreeBSD apeiron 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:46:30 UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Since I've installed it, the system has been freezing for apparently no reason and, once in a while, rebooting upon a kernel panic. The kernel panics come in two varieties: Fatal Trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode Fatal Trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode I have the dump files. [Concerning the Fatal Trap 12: I ran memtest86+ and everything turned out alright on the memory side.] As for the recurrent freezing, it seems to me (but this is a hunch) that it might be related to wireless card issues (since, for what I can recall, it happens some time after I start having conection issues). Also, everytime I do a "netif restart", the system just freezes after displaying two lines: bwn0: need multicast update callback TODO: need swap [In order not to raise side issues, I have a fully working LP PHY Broadcom 4312 (except for these issues), and I have hw.bwn.usedma=0 in loader.conf---but the freezing thing happens whether it is set to 1 or 0.] And that's about it. In particular, nothing shows in /var/log/messages. As for the panics, I'm clueless. Maybe the following can help (or not!!). In /var/log/messages, the following two lines keep showing: acpi0: reservation of 0, 9f000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, 7f56d800 (3) failed Needless to say, this won't discourage me from using FreeBSD on my laptop, but it isn't very funny to have these kind of problems while doing some work. Any help would be appreciated, if nothing else, to understand what's happening. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 14:54:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCD2106566C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EFE8FC1C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.39]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D49DA7285D for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21931 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2012 14:54:51 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 16766, pid: 17681, t: 0.1830s scanners: clamav: m: Received: from unknown (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Feb 2012 14:54:50 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 2FC9B33C1D; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:54:50 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: "Pegasus Mc Cleaft" References: <005201cceacb$884ead60$98ec0820$@com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:54:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <005201cceacb$884ead60$98ec0820$@com> (Pegasus Mc Cleaft's message of "Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:48:35 -0000") Message-ID: <44lio5ihxh.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: '_' , 'freebsd-questions' Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:54:59 -0000 "Pegasus Mc Cleaft" writes: >> It recreates something, but the most important files, which reside in >> subfolders of the given tar.gz archives are gone, i.e. the subfolders >> are empty. >> The gunzip strategy you mentioned yields the same as a regular tar -xvf >> file.tar.gz. >> >> Pegasus, I have yet to try the pax(1) approach. I will let you know >> about how that went. > > Hummmmm.. I'm not sure if pax will be able to help in this case. From the > looks of it, somehow the compressed data got corrupted - I don't think pax > will be able to deal with this any better than tar did. Probably correct; the right data isn't there, no tool is going to be able to recover it. Data compression makes this more fragile (i.e., lose the rest of the archive as opposed to only the files in which the data corruption occurs. > I wonder if there was a change in gzip (like maybe libarchive) between the > two versions of BSD that might be causing the problem. If I were attacking > the problem, I might try booting up off a 7.x bootcd and see if I can gzip > --test the archive from the usb stick. It's easy enough to try, but it seems awfully unlikely to help; lots of us have .tar.gz files going back a couple of decades, and if there were ever new implementations that couldn't understand the old ones, some old hand would have noticed by now. Media errors happen, and preparing for them involves noticing them before you try to use the data, as well as recovering if they go bad. The user seems to have knowingly only had one copy of the valuable data, which makes the word "backup" a bit of an unusual usage of the term... --Lowell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 15:36:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CA91065670 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdkelly@ualr.edu) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28998FC0C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so87857vcm.13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.91.196 with SMTP id cg4mr9006014vdb.68.1329232120214; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:08:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.224.202 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:08:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Mike Kelly Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:08:20 -0600 Message-ID: To: _ , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlAO+2EZiuDgC+Wl/AnexdwSH3JiEsrSjEJC1niKc/WQlONCJEogMWa6wbOWUnGtItN6G0u Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:36:48 -0000 > > I don't have the script anymore. It is among the files lost, but it was > pretty > much straight forward, making use of: > tar -czf backupfile.tar.gz folders/ of/ my/ choice/. > > After creating the backups I just cp(1)ed them to an msdosfs formated > usb stick and got them onto 8.2 this way, so the famous ascii/binary > trap shouldn't be > an issue here. > > Just a thought... how large were the tar.gz files? Are you maybe hitting on a file size limit and the .tar.gz files are getting truncated? 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Featured profile: http://www.Satoshi.Asami.leaders-inn.com [http://www.Satoshi.Asami.leaders-inn.com] Katy Martin Technical Director Twenty Three Briaroot Drive Smithtown, New York 11787 T h i s i s a n a d v e r t i s e m e n t From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 17:44:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBC610656D5 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314298FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbgn7 with SMTP id gn7so3487365wgb.1 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:44:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TYm+Mapsqec+il8R+LGtryd9hPTenww7mhJcPrqQkg0=; b=DdUzjur14hXqdOMZjSH7THkumnEPmOmUeCJAXIYxjPj2z5lryCaNiQoSTWyCGv7TLY K+wZ3Gvovlq/HuP63f/cIQ3LYsy21qzH/9vJ5Ftjq1pJAzY7sZ5q09h4BshbOamm/GgE kot5K8ntSCfB1c7zbpCyqh3cS5SdJ0rwPaEKs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.131.131 with SMTP id m3mr1301367wei.47.1329241496134; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.235.139 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.235.139 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:44:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:44:56 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: Mike Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: _ , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:44:57 -0000 On Feb 14, 2012 7:37 AM, "Mike Kelly" wrote: > > > > > I don't have the script anymore. It is among the files lost, but it was > > pretty > > much straight forward, making use of: > > tar -czf backupfile.tar.gz folders/ of/ my/ choice/. > > > > After creating the backups I just cp(1)ed them to an msdosfs formated > > usb stick and got them onto 8.2 this way, so the famous ascii/binary > > trap shouldn't be > > an issue here. > > > > Just a thought... how large were the tar.gz files? Are you maybe hitting > on a file size limit and the .tar.gz files are getting truncated? Not sure > what the limit is for msdosfs. > > -- > Mike Kelly > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" or perhaps pulled the drive before unmounting... with pending writes. just a thought. Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 17:58:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D001065670 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5508FC12 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so217241yhf.13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:58:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.153.198 with SMTP id vi6mr36305408igb.30.1329242337621; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.234.81 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:58:57 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.183.41] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:58:57 +0100 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: _ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmhHWeYb7y5LmcXxHv0oLSU0XWd3f6kDm7kPXDDsPtJ2M+ioU0YJLeiDi1I5ga2l6sjvjCq Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:58:59 -0000 On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:56 AM, _ wrote: > Trying to recover these files on 8.2, I found that some of the archives - > unfortunately those with > the files that are dear to me - are corrupted. Do you have MD5, SHA256 etc... checksums of the .tar.gz files somewhere? Do they still match, or do they differ now? (If they match, you have a software problem with tar or gzip; try reading the files under Linux (Knoppix?) just to be sure. If they don't match, either the media is corrupt (very likely), or something's wrong on the code path that reads your backup device (a lot less likely)) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 19:57:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79ADB106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D65E8FC1A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk5 with SMTP id k5so328645ggn.13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.145.71 with SMTP id o47mr30470894yhj.119.1329249472214; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o50sm740914yhl.9.2012.02.14.11.57.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TnZKn2VSPz2CG44 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:57:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:57:48 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120214145748.6aeaa1cc@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnURGvRiEI41k+ZuywMb/OTsdOsbkKq3b1USdjKJu7wxZAzox3dJrK/axKAvbS0odftdNQ0 Subject: Printing directly to IP address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:57:53 -0000 I was contacted recently by a friend who was studying printing under FreeBSD . He presently runs a mixture of Windows and Ubuntu PCs. The documentation deals primarily with "parallel" and "serial" printers. Personally, I cannot remember the last time I used either; however, that is not pertinent. My friend accesses the printer(s) the same way I do, via a wireless network. The difference is that I am using CUPS to achieve that goal. My friend would like to do it sans CUPS if possible. I know it is possible; however, I cannot find any actual documentation under the "printing" section in the FreeBSD manual. If anyone could provide a link to such documentation, it would be appreciated. Updating the "Printing" section in the manual would also seem like a worthwhile endeavor also. I did a quick perusal of the section and even USB is discouraged. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 19:57:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E6D106566C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:57:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mdockery@hargray.com) Received: from smtp413.redcondor.net (smtp413.redcondor.net [208.80.204.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3FA8FC12 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hargray.com ([64.203.254.40]) by smtp413.redcondor.net ({f682051a-8ae4-4456-9822-a84ca1296676}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20120214194724063 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:47:24 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from [64.203.223.23] (account mdockery@hargray.com HELO movies.padad) by ispfe1.hargray.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.12) with ESMTPA id 31114575 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:47:08 -0500 From: Mike Dockery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111228 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:01:09 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Processor question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:57:57 -0000 Greetings, I have been a user of Linux since 1994, but most of the linux distros seem to be getting away from freedom... which is why I chose it in the first place. They seem intent on forcing things that do not work well (like pulseaudio and nouveau) on everyone. Freedom of choice is always best. My question is: Should I try the amd64 version of FreeBSD with my Intel Core i7-2600 processor or should I use the i386? I hope to give FreeBSD a try later this month. Thanks, Mike Dockery From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 20:07:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53FE106566C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:07:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (adsl-70-129-195-213.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net [70.129.195.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386258FC0C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1EK7foR056493 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:07:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:07:41 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" To: Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: References: <7812e1a4e56393474531630a0b2f84f1@www.dweimer.net> <4F2BF2F4.4010903@sentex.net> <20120204023652.0354836b@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: <101af073c757c434dc910a98f12374e6@www.dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.6 Subject: Re: USB 3 / eSATA support X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:07:43 -0000 > > I think for now I am going to build FreeBSD VM on my windows box and > dedicate it to running Bacula Director and Storage Daemon, I was able > to get a 20MB sustained through put through the VMware USB emulation > copying a file from an SFTP as I had no large files on the local > system from my test FreeBSD 9 VM. Though now I don't know why I > didn't think to just us dd from /dev/random to a file on the disk, > will likely give that a try once my new VM is built. This will get > me > by performance to a workable speed until I can come up with a more > permanent solution, and keep me from spending more money this month > so > I have a little bit left to add to my savings account. Just an update to this thread in case anyone runs into it, and thinks building a FreeBSD VM within VMware to run Bacula backups to a USB hard drive is a good idea. It turns out that it isn't, not sure if its a VMware FreeBSD guest issue, or a general VMware USB issue, but the heavy load on the USB drive has caused several crashes of the host system. Which of course in turn means a hard crash of the FreeBSD virtual machine, complete with corrupted file systems. It did give me some practice recovering lost Bacula database as I lost my whole PostgreSQL database due to corrupted files once. This might work for many small files, backups ran OK for my web server, but backups against the FreeNAS server with around 200G about 100G is an iTunes library, and around another 20G is photos. When hitting these bigger files with less overhead that allowed for more throughput to the USB device the crashes began to occur. Of course, I should note this setup was done with a FreeBSD9.0-Release virtual machine built from source, using clang, and all ports where possible also built with clang. And running open-vm-tools (these do fail to build with clang) as the VMware tools won't install on FreeBSD 9.0 I am sure VMware has not done any testing with this setup yet, nor do I know if they ever will. So the problem may not exist with other guest operating systems. Also of note, I was originally running under a windows 7 host PC, after the crashes, I switched to CentOS 6 on the host, with a windows Virtual machine to run the applications needing windows. The crashes still occur under CentOS, though a little less frequent than they did under windows. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 20:11:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57DD1065675 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644668FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl12 with SMTP id l12so341018yen.13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:11:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=rZCf3fzK/GqnN10EFzGBrGBSAAwVdbJU6QzDoK/6ITA=; b=Fm5QsVBfDnQl2d6N4BfCFHw4XteO4A43QmJCpJZshso+SVNI+idDZod9MVv+V03MPw zr5IEEWq/jVZLcYE8zrHnXYF2emYslREZK+hJYYqD6NWux5VCGPOeGptY/OiTgTCnzG+ OF3pxSdoLZV2RwMzHLMyJA69MxzbED4DEepFc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.184.131 with SMTP id s3mr29372422yhm.32.1329250298638; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.111.20 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.111.20 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:11:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> References: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:11:38 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Mike Dockery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Processor question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:11:39 -0000 AMD As this just means 64 bit On Feb 14, 2012 8:02 PM, "Mike Dockery" wrote: > Greetings, > > I have been a user of Linux since 1994, but most of the linux distros seem > to be getting away from freedom... which is why I chose it in the first > place. They seem intent on forcing things that do not work well (like > pulseaudio and nouveau) on everyone. Freedom of choice is always best. > > My question is: Should I try the amd64 version of FreeBSD with my Intel > Core i7-2600 processor or should I use the i386? > > I hope to give FreeBSD a try later this month. > > Thanks, > > Mike Dockery > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 20:16:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07CF1065677 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:16:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DE58FC2B for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 6431 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2012 20:16:45 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2012 20:16:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=4f3ac12d.xn--9vv.k1202; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=jySVagyyHBNL9c32EO5nHELYUAkAoFxiwNTc4FSFi7Q=; b=jxw8rJmPqhLyiiOoqckiFo2xlACX0KzMSGs1SBpk2HVpF419r88nv46x3aM1AxmPzcGpP0WrYuuFHmBfE3TjrfdtKGrB00+nOWU3nu6/gIQmH8hSjvlIlvGqNW2R68UAGFDg9sRU1mqPRdDKbScKoiSQM/3sLMXLEvhRWF6vUnE= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 14 Feb 2012 20:16:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20120214201623.31094.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120214145748.6aeaa1cc@scorpio> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Printing directly to IP address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:16:48 -0000 >same way I do, via a wireless network. The difference is that I am >using CUPS to achieve that goal. My friend would like to do it sans >CUPS if possible. If the printer supports the hoary lpd protocol, you can configure it in /etc/printcap. If it wants socket or IPP protocols, CUPS is the least painful route. Installing CUPS on freebsd is pretty straightforward. The main wart is that you have to manually move all the lpr commands in /usr/bin out of the way and symlink them to the CUPS versions in /usr/local/bin. Other than that, the web config works great, and it has drivers for vast numbers of printers, particularly when you also install hplip. R's, John -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 20:18:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84841065678 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:18:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9213B8FC25 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so337736yhf.13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:18:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=PSmjhLI2yhzBrPSDMpoFA22DoWwtKfVMo9++YK8NvF4=; b=eNKeNG5g5xc65Fv1tOfUt8qAvljmmvTVfTaEJGAJMmaSj3vUKosy+GI9U/alUvxWhq XIbzJBLrupGjlhiG5BbhUlvzkPSgddCQVK7l3+8CQgTW7uY5DOoNxpTvd2/nMEgcNrIm Aw9OGn9qeAzK506Btei8bv0Wu+o8UkRGclw3E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.170.193 with SMTP id p41mr29106614yhl.15.1329250718885; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.111.20 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.111.20 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:18:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:18:38 +0000 Message-ID: From: krad To: Mike Kelly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: _ , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:18:39 -0000 Just another silly thought try the tar j flag rather than the z flag, as you might have got your compression algorithms confused. Try the xz one as well just in case On Feb 14, 2012 3:37 PM, "Mike Kelly" wrote: > > > > I don't have the script anymore. It is among the files lost, but it was > > pretty > > much straight forward, making use of: > > tar -czf backupfile.tar.gz folders/ of/ my/ choice/. > > > > After creating the backups I just cp(1)ed them to an msdosfs formated > > usb stick and got them onto 8.2 this way, so the famous ascii/binary > > trap shouldn't be > > an issue here. > > > > Just a thought... how large were the tar.gz files? Are you maybe hitting > on a file size limit and the .tar.gz files are getting truncated? Not sure > what the limit is for msdosfs. > > -- > Mike Kelly > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 20:28:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349361065676 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52388FC0C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1EKSV3K003714; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:28:32 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-172-52.as13285.net [92.22.172.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1EKSUIX003701; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:28:31 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A4AD433C1F; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:28:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:28:30 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: Mike Dockery Message-ID: <20120214202830.GB4616@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SkvwRMAIpAhPCcCJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Processor question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:28:35 -0000 --SkvwRMAIpAhPCcCJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 02:47:08PM -0500, Mike Dockery wrote: > > Greetings, Aloha, >=20 > I have been a user of Linux since 1994, but most of the linux distros=20 > seem to be getting away from freedom... which is why I chose it in the=20 > first place. They seem intent on forcing things that do not work well=20 > (like pulseaudio and nouveau) on everyone. Freedom of choice is always= =20 > best. Yeah, I used to use Linux but they became a bunch of Freedom Nazis controlled by big companies. Happily using FreeBSD for 10 years. >=20 > My question is: Should I try the amd64 version of FreeBSD with my Intel= =20 > Core i7-2600 processor or should I use the i386? Generally, for an x86 machine with 4GB or greater memory use amd64. Memory less than that use i386. ie. you almost certainly want to use amd64, I should think. >=20 > I hope to give FreeBSD a try later this month. Excellent. Best of luck and any problems not covered in the handbook or google, post here. Welcome to FreeBSD! >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Mike Dockery Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --SkvwRMAIpAhPCcCJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk86w+0ACgkQHduKvUAgeK50CgCeMIVDS0hEWYQ6gK3cfZTDut8/ VNQAoM+nvV9KSXUBpgUMYKlnnoCG9U5I =/B3G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SkvwRMAIpAhPCcCJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 20:38:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFD01065672 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:38:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from millenia2000@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776808FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY165-DS7 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:26:45 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [174.252.118.152] X-Originating-Email: [millenia2000@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Sean Cavanaugh To: "'Mike Dockery'" , References: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:26:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQH1aWYF4mqZeLC/BP55PMxLVd8zwpXr2r1g Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2012 20:26:45.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[F89D1260:01CCEB56] Cc: Subject: RE: Processor question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:38:46 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Mike Dockery Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:47 PM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Processor question Greetings, I have been a user of Linux since 1994, but most of the linux distros seem to be getting away from freedom... which is why I chose it in the first place. They seem intent on forcing things that do not work well (like pulseaudio and nouveau) on everyone. Freedom of choice is always best. My question is: Should I try the amd64 version of FreeBSD with my Intel Core i7-2600 processor or should I use the i386? I hope to give FreeBSD a try later this month. Thanks, Mike Dockery _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Up to you if you want 32-bit or 64 -bit. Used to be that some of the higher level ports only worked in 32-bit but more and more have been tweaked to work on both now. If you have 4GB or more memory, def recommend amd64. -Sean From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 21:03:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7A3106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219FE8FC0C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1EL2v6V026241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:02:58 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1EL2v6V026241 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329253378; bh=zeQnj1GQMUGJFMEjXmAhYFex9lVaBXWB2mlURHGx7mg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=caUO2C+BTSqTdRBSuqp3xmP0CnB9DxGqwY15dfgkUX/DCdgdK5tSHB0vp+OxBJVxR R3L9fE68MROQz0a7Ku+mVIKD43Rkqkfbuuj+CjsFvAuP2ZcTQ2GyWGoESxiAiJnQlH wIzBqAPq9dPPZUYlhucvCC0f1hmZsWb4Vga4ishk= Message-ID: <4F3ACBFA.8030204@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:02:50 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig31D6CE6BD3E45CCBE2D54E13" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Processor question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:03:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig31D6CE6BD3E45CCBE2D54E13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/02/2012 19:47, Mike Dockery wrote: > My question is: Should I try the amd64 version of FreeBSD with my Inte= l > Core i7-2600 processor or should I use the i386? Choose amd64 by default, unless you have a specific application that requires an i386 system. Even if you have less than 4GiB RAM. Be aware that most 32bit apps can be run on a 64bit system. The converse is not true. Also, it's a lot easier to pop in some extra RAM sticks, than it is to convert from i386 to amd64 and then pop in some extra RAM sticks... Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig31D6CE6BD3E45CCBE2D54E13 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk86zAEACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyLHACZAQY+ypR+i+vJZtdgBmI6vJn1 OzMAoJQQpo9j/uiKUchlgKtxHuro4pwq =HqXq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig31D6CE6BD3E45CCBE2D54E13-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 20:14:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD84106566B for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347DB8FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa07 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1EJQrco032525 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:14:29 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 12yvy58f5r-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:14:29 -0600 Received: from lefty.vicor.com (10.14.152.55) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:14:28 -0600 Message-ID: <4F3AC0A3.4050903@fisglobal.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:14:27 -0800 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: <20120214145748.6aeaa1cc@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120214145748.6aeaa1cc@scorpio> X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.55] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-14_04:2012-02-14, 2012-02-14, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:23:57 +0000 Subject: Re: Printing directly to IP address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:14:30 -0000 You're going to want to use lpr, and you'll have to set up /etc/printcap first. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/corp-net-guide/printserving-lpr-freebsd.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/corp-net-guide/printserving-unix.html The command I use to print to a printer set up in /etc/printcap: lpr -P filename_to_print lpq will show you the queue, lprm removes jobs from the queue. Hope this helps. On 02/14/2012 11:57, Jerry wrote: > I was contacted recently by a friend who was studying printing under > FreeBSD. He > presently runs a mixture of Windows and Ubuntu PCs. > > The documentation deals primarily with "parallel" and "serial" > printers. Personally, I cannot remember the last time I used either; > however, that is not pertinent. My friend accesses the printer(s) the > same way I do, via a wireless network. The difference is that I am > using CUPS to achieve that goal. My friend would like to do it sans > CUPS if possible. > > I know it is possible; however, I cannot find any actual documentation > under the "printing" section in the FreeBSD manual. If anyone could > provide a link to such documentation, it would be appreciated. Updating > the "Printing" section in the manual would also seem like a worthwhile > endeavor also. I did a quick perusal of the section and even USB is > discouraged. > -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com david.robison@fisglobal.com _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 21:32:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB69106566B for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:32:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AA28FC12 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1ELWM2D026814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:32:22 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1ELWM2D026814 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329255143; bh=nXUazhMHEZGs2aq1BYT1+3kvGLLBau06EJTy1oUsBfk=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=ns4gqhYXroGca8E3iYm5SkHMOYicwStvzn6jKji4ID8bR99R8LX06i/EkG+dwaZC0 ODEk55VooxFbg22LUDsMuEXOK44bHULXVGTbXsjOf/mUUXOhRgxMKtMw1uLaPw541A S0eveFNlhhLwn4PuIe6lpQwV8jXaIry/P7YFFHic= Message-ID: <4F3AD2E6.90301@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:32:22 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nerius Landys References: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> <4F3ACBFA.8030204@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig93EB5DCC06FDD1833A130364" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Processor question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:32:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig93EB5DCC06FDD1833A130364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 14/02/2012 21:28, Nerius Landys wrote: > If you do choose 32 bit, you can compile the PAE kernel which will > allow access to all of your memory, but you'll still be limited to > under 4 GB per process memory. Better pray all your devices have PAE compatible drivers then. PAE is an obsolete bodge. A sticking plaster for people stuck with 32-bit processors but who needed lots of RAM. Just be glad you have 64-bit capable processors nowadays so you don't ever need to use it. The sooner it fades into history, the better. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig93EB5DCC06FDD1833A130364 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk860uYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxDPgCfd+f4kMuUpk2TyCUDdCd4gmQf IfQAniDCh/z2vxIpHRSMJnzmJdmddeZ1 =hL5I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig93EB5DCC06FDD1833A130364-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 21:39:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A4E106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mihai.dontu@gmail.com) Received: from mail.bitdefender.com (mail.bitdefender.com [91.199.104.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280B28FC1C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17955 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2012 23:12:20 +0200 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys X-BitDefender-Spam: No (0) X-BitDefender-SpamStamp: v1, build 2.11.3.13847, SQMD Hits: none, rbl score: 0(0), apm score: 500, ApmFlags: [NN_NO_LINK_NMD], SQMD: 3eb144a7a86ed690efa8ea36c94d9fc4.fuzzy.fzrbl.org, total: 0(775) X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender qmail 3.1.0 on elfie.dsd.hq, sigver: 7.41009 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=gmail.com; b=sOOuBIRHDZbdbYYTREe5nGagcrsYvADDSzz5mDx2XuXs1+M8HEZniX6zOxI1gZwADL/YsrlfXWtF4W2HqLzk0cjtsBOYZUAijN44qOYbTKaol9sM1CGDxta9AC0w6B7Ya3G8lEGNIGBqjlLUS/+seTDL6B3QEnAokX/11fwVKcE= ; Received: from mdontu-l.dsd.ro (mdontu@bitdefender.com@10.10.14.115) by mail.bitdefender.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2012 23:12:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:12:20 +0200 From: Mihai =?UTF-8?B?RG9uyJt1?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120214231220.0b74f4f8@mdontu-l.dsd.ro> In-Reply-To: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> References: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> Organization: Home Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Processor question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:39:03 -0000 On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:47:08 -0500 Mike Dockery wrote: > Greetings, >=20 > I have been a user of Linux since 1994, but most of the linux distros=20 > seem to be getting away from freedom... which is why I chose it in > the first place. They seem intent on forcing things that do not work > well (like pulseaudio and nouveau) on everyone. Freedom of choice is > always best. >=20 Far be it for me to stop you from adventuring into the FreeBSD world, I encourage you actually. :-) However, note that you always had and will have the freedom of choice. One Linux distribution might have chosen to go the pulseaudio way (binary-only ones usually do), but FreeBSD inspired ones, with ports-like features, offer you the choice to go plain ALSA or even OSS (Crux, Gentoo etc.). In what concerns nouveau, I'm afraid there's no running away from it. Reverse engineering close source drivers for modern GPU-s is an incredibly hard task. FreeBSD will likely get nouveau when KMS gets finished (soon I hear?). Until then, the good old nVidia blob will do. So instead of seeing FreeBSD as a place of retreat, see it as an adventure! :-) > My question is: Should I try the amd64 version of FreeBSD with my > Intel Core i7-2600 processor or should I use the i386? >=20 Definitely amd64. > I hope to give FreeBSD a try later this month. >=20 --=20 Mihai Don=C8=9Bu From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 21:52:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05124106566C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nlandys@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E738FC14 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcmt40 with SMTP id t40so339203qcm.13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:52:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xV51aeNzp9Hj7b7iicaj5hLr2njMJkYo7kiYJloWFcQ=; b=hFANaM/tZbA/aI49VCtpxCg1qoQOlkGXV5YgvCWsK3xtoeL4pbkCTynUwfkjowjhdP xlHTLmkWx7ZAeDJhL4R9QkqZfjzdcCZkEv5ffkvnHoiLo7ek2RMXfVZpGSyGHGe4naJC 8x9YgmR8J5GeRUSljk1gVJCOyUol/6JAd6tjg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.69.96 with SMTP id y32mr5167279qci.47.1329254881145; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.216.70 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:28:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3ACBFA.8030204@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> <4F3ACBFA.8030204@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:28:01 -0800 Message-ID: From: Nerius Landys To: Matthew Seaman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Processor question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:52:57 -0000 If you do choose 32 bit, you can compile the PAE kernel which will allow access to all of your memory, but you'll still be limited to under 4 GB per process memory. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 22:27:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC68106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9AD8FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id q1EMRaLX091033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id q1EMRauj091032 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA26343; Tue, 14 Feb 12 14:14:06 PST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:12:59 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <4f3b3edb.7rKm0nktcI7/onEY%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20120214145748.6aeaa1cc@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120214145748.6aeaa1cc@scorpio> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Printing directly to IP address X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:27:38 -0000 Jerry wrote: > I know it is possible; however, I cannot find any actual > documentation under the "printing" section in the FreeBSD > manual. If anyone could provide a link to such documentation, > it would be appreciated. Provided the printer supports lpd protocol, i.e. it looks like a remote BSD machine operating as a print server, the setup is covered in the "Networked Printing" handbook section (as of 6.1 -- I don't seem to have any newer doc package installed). The comments in /etc/printcap are also useful, and there's some coverage in the Corporate Networker's Guide: "Setting up LPR/LPD on FreeBSD" and "Printing from UNIX". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 14 23:54:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8783106564A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:54:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B313F8FC12 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.49]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E75A72E83 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8981 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2012 23:54:01 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 29809, pid: 24644, t: 0.1479s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:10739 Received: from unknown (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Feb 2012 23:54:01 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 348F733C1D; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: krad References: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:54:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: (krad's message of "Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:18:38 +0000") Message-ID: <44ty2thsyv.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: pancakeking79@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corrupted tar.gz archive - I lost my backups :)/:( X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:54:03 -0000 krad writes: > Just another silly thought try the tar j flag rather than the z flag, as > you might have got your compression algorithms confused. Try the xz one as > well just in case The system tar (based on libarchive) will figure all of this out for you, regardless of which flag you give it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 00:08:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540251065672 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CBB8FC12 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7DC88E805DE; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:08:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:08:41 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20120215000838.GA26583@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:08:44 -0000 guys, is there still a way of fixing something i did to my existing installation? it does nothing but continually cycle e and try to reboot into the old release i had from feb 2011. i thought editing out /etc/fstab would do it. but nope, it throws me into the lowest level manual config and then hangs. i cannot even install release 9.0 which is the only other path. either some stable distro of debian, or getting past release8 and going to 9. first, tho, i need to get rid of this [[messed up]] 7.3. let me share a story from when i was visiting a favorite cousin who put up about half of NASA's huge antennas. long retired, he lives out where not even god could find him. he wanted to see proof of my beloved freebsd. so, using a new set of discs that i bought, i started the installation. { FWIW, --this was in july, 2000. } I happened to mention that freebsd had trouble configuring the printers. or that that could get hairy. he stopped what he was doing and asked me to get back to his windows toys and games. i had a floppy w ith the mystery file "MBR" that removed that single file. my hunch is that since i never mess with anything but freebsd, i left it configure itself by default and that the same thing that stalled me for ten minutes back in 2000, might be what's stopping me from installing anything over my 7.3 in 2012. any wizards how how to fix this? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 00:17:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7358106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tjg@soe.ucsc.edu) Received: from mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.48.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C507D8FC16 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.48.32]) by mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9628B1009B99 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:00:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:00:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Gustafson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1777858593.173502.1329264035512.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> In-Reply-To: <214979068.173438.1329263776548.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [128.114.49.22] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.9_GA_2686 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 ([unknown])/6.0.9_GA_2686) Subject: FreeBSD / Gnome / Audio X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:17:55 -0000 Hello, I've read through a zillion posts in the FreeBSD forums and various other Google sources about getting audio to work in Gnome on FreeBSD. Most of the posts say something like "pulseaudio sucks, don't use it", and that's fine, but what do I replace it with? Since I've removed pulseaudio from all my installed ports, I now have no audio control panel under "System", "Preferences", and I have no volume control slider near the clock. Audio is working in that I can play a video in Firefox and hear the audio, but it's currently coming out the wrong sound card (for whatever reason, Dell's audio card shows up twice: once for the internal speaker and once for the external speaker/headphone jacks). So I can't tell Gnome to push the audio out /dev/dsp1 now, rather than /dev/dsp0. Basically, how do I control how applications put sound out to my system when pulseaudio is not installed? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tim Gustafson tjg@soe.ucsc.edu Baskin School of Engineering 831-459-5354 UC Santa Cruz Baskin Engineering 317B -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 00:58:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74D01065672 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:58:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielsh@apache.org) Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62D5C8FC19 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 22782 invoked by uid 99); 15 Feb 2012 00:31:22 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:31:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO daniel3.local) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username danielsh, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:31:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:31:10 +0200 From: Daniel Shahaf To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: "Philip M. Gollucci" , infrastructure-private@apache.org Subject: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:58:03 -0000 One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs root. It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel (self compiled) with a mountfrom error: http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfrom.png mountfrom> zfs:zroot Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are unchanged. (The zroot fs is at version 4.) Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? Thanks. [[[ % uname -a FreeBSD loki.apache.org 9.0-RC2 FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 #0: Sat Nov 12 18:35:25 UTC 2011 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 % cat /boot/loader.conf # zfs zfs_load="YES" vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot" # ipmi_load="YES" # Console for DRAC5 boot_multicons="YES" boot_serial="YES" comconsole_speed="57600" console="comconsole,vidconsole" hint.sio.0.flags=0 hint.sio.1.flags=0x10 accf_http_load="YES" accf_data_load="YES" % ]]] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 01:41:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38EB1065677 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:41:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AB28FC1A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdq11 with SMTP id dq11so478151wgb.31 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:41:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OmonGntZ3hhWe0bskWkXWGtN5l2vih2/w8kgxMl1JB0=; b=mk4DcJnIvGBSt00q51Ehi2mp4UH5U1cChYHQw9oWWD+GdJ4t4YmGvGXh1wlHCxjNZ3 a0lI5Gj3Pdo9yfr4YRkQGsTBhYPq6Hy+DNKp1XGTxBOHwt8AIIfgzQSm57aSIY1tngqK 1t3Ge2a46WLTQObSZzuUjfEQXkgoGGknLIE5g= Received: by 10.180.101.101 with SMTP id ff5mr5486466wib.14.1329270086263; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q7sm30414401wix.5.2012.02.14.17.41.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:41:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:41:22 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120215014122.2b355aa6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <1777858593.173502.1329264035512.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> References: <214979068.173438.1329263776548.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> <1777858593.173502.1329264035512.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD / Gnome / Audio X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:41:27 -0000 On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:00:35 -0800 (PST) Tim Gustafson wrote: > Audio is working in that I can play a video in Firefox and hear the > audio, but it's currently coming out the wrong sound card (for > whatever reason, Dell's audio card shows up twice: once for the > internal speaker and once for the external speaker/headphone jacks). > So I can't tell Gnome to push the audio out /dev/dsp1 now, rather > than /dev/dsp0. I think you probably just need to set hw.snd.default_unit. e.g. I have: $ dmesg |grep pcm pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm1: at cad 1 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm2: at cad 2 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm3: at cad 3 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm4: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 pcm5: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 pcm6: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 and in /etc/sysctl.conf I have hw.snd.default_unit=4 to select the analogue output from the motherboard rather than (I presume) the HDMI output from the graphics card. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 01:45:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F59106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BA78FC1A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA9B5C2E for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:58:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29F1B5C2D for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:58:26 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3B0D00.4050605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:40:16 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120215000838.GA26583@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20120215000838.GA26583@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:45:02 -0000 On 02/15/12 10:08, Gary Kline wrote: > guys, > > is there still a way of fixing something i did to my existing > installation? it does nothing but continually cycle e and try to > reboot into the old release i had from feb 2011. i thought editing > out /etc/fstab would do it. but nope, it throws me into the lowest > level manual config and then hangs. i cannot even install release 9.0 > which is the only other path. either some stable distro of debian, > or getting past release8 and going to 9. > > first, tho, i need to get rid of this [[messed up]] 7.3. > > let me share a story from when i was visiting a favorite cousin who > put up about half of NASA's huge antennas. long retired, he lives > out where not even god could find him. he wanted to see proof of my > beloved freebsd. so, using a new set of discs that i bought, i > started the installation. { FWIW, --this was in july, 2000. } I > happened to mention that freebsd had trouble configuring the > printers. or that that could get hairy. he stopped what he was > doing and asked me to get back to his windows toys and games. i had > a floppy w ith the mystery file "MBR" that removed that single file. > > my hunch is that since i never mess with anything but freebsd, i > left it configure itself by default and that the same thing that > stalled me for ten minutes back in 2000, might be what's stopping > me from installing anything over my 7.3 in 2012. > > any wizards how how to fix this? Are you sure you can't backup your important files and start again? You might have a good deal of trouble jumping by 2 major releases at the best of times. Also, 9.0 is significantly different in many ways to 7.x in dir structure _and_ filesystems, to just mention a few. I new (clean) install would be _highly_ recommended ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 01:53:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4659D1065673 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E933F8FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EB15C28 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:06:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 174735C22 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:06:25 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3B0EE0.2010208@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:48:16 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1777858593.173502.1329264035512.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> In-Reply-To: <1777858593.173502.1329264035512.JavaMail.root@mail-01.cse.ucsc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD / Gnome / Audio X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:53:01 -0000 On 02/15/12 10:00, Tim Gustafson wrote: > Hello, > > I've read through a zillion posts in the FreeBSD forums and various other Google sources about getting audio to work in Gnome on FreeBSD. Most of the posts say something like "pulseaudio sucks, don't use it", and that's fine, but what do I replace it with? Since I've removed pulseaudio from all my installed ports, I now have no audio control panel under "System", "Preferences", and I have no volume control slider near the clock. > > Audio is working in that I can play a video in Firefox and hear the audio, but it's currently coming out the wrong sound card (for whatever reason, Dell's audio card shows up twice: once for the internal speaker and once for the external speaker/headphone jacks). So I can't tell Gnome to push the audio out /dev/dsp1 now, rather than /dev/dsp0. > > Basically, how do I control how applications put sound out to my system when pulseaudio is not installed? You're probably best sticking with pulseaudio (redundant as it may be on FreeBSD), as it offers some gui tools (IF that is what you desire). Alternatively, search ports for a GUI audio controller widget/applet that is designed for FreeBSD or at least OSS. IF GUI is not a must, then use sysctl hw.snd.default_unit to control where the sound comes out. It may not be quite as dynamic as pulse though (as in you may not be able to switch during an application running - I could be wrong, and your mileage may vary). It does sound like you need a GUI by your comments. If you can't find one, you could probably build one easily enough using perl or python or . Then you can customise how you like :) HTH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 02:04:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C8D106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3198FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so488100yhf.13 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:04:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=BDWqCf8iXhVPcpXoLlMQZKq8Z5iDqdmFhiYNtQG9B2w=; b=rVgk+HyZowukRozXjFh+25Xewr25RlUxmFaWHDmGsrGUT36cUHdFhTAyc6eE2JQxKo XTXn6ahPl6tEiKtzzDgm8sHJECMCfcAO5uVsem/9moKEL8MY4PBji+xmoFxSEjwP4e4P SGRPFeQ7Wyq/F4LnOssdgTrPgrvnrqPDwHOlg= Received: by 10.236.154.137 with SMTP id h9mr30699202yhk.91.1329269910338; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.160.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n12sm2365861yhe.10.2012.02.14.17.38.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Daniel Shahaf In-Reply-To: <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:38:25 -0200 Message-ID: <1329269905.88434.10.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Philip M. Gollucci" , infrastructure-private@apache.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:04:50 -0000 Usually when upgrade, I build it in the same machine, 1) csup -L 2 kernel.conf (build src on the new source/version) 2) cd /usr/src, edit the kernel config.... 3) make buildworld&&make buildkernel 4) make installworld installkernel 5) boot... Using this set of commands I was able to upgrade from 8.x to 9.x for example and the system boots (I use only zfs) with a setup like yours, except that the root partition is at zfspool/root so the boot.conf reads: vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zfspool/root" For me, works... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 02:39:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A45B106564A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:39:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (ns1.thought.org [209.180.213.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30548FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.47.0.108] (tao.thought.org [10.47.0.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1F21ViC068435 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Message-ID: <4F3B11FB.80900@thought.org> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:01:31 -0800 From: Gary Kline User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120215000838.GA26583@thought.org> <4F3B0D00.4050605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3B0D00.4050605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.9 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ethic.thought.org Subject: Re: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:39:05 -0000 On 02/14/2012 05:40 PM, Da Rock wrote: > On 02/15/12 10:08, Gary Kline wrote: >> guys, >> >> is there still a way of fixing something i did to my existing >> installation? it does nothing but continually cycle e and try to >> reboot into the old release i had from feb 2011. i thought editing >> out /etc/fstab would do it. but nope, it throws me into the lowest >> level manual config and then hangs. i cannot even install release 9.0 >> which is the only other path. either some stable distro of debian, >> or getting past release8 and going to 9. >> >> first, tho, i need to get rid of this [[messed up]] 7.3. >> >> let me share a story from when i was visiting a favorite cousin who >> put up about half of NASA's huge antennas. long retired, he lives >> out where not even god could find him. he wanted to see proof of my >> beloved freebsd. so, using a new set of discs that i bought, i >> started the installation. { FWIW, --this was in july, 2000. } I >> happened to mention that freebsd had trouble configuring the >> printers. or that that could get hairy. he stopped what he was >> doing and asked me to get back to his windows toys and games. i had >> a floppy w ith the mystery file "MBR" that removed that single file. >> >> my hunch is that since i never mess with anything but freebsd, i >> left it configure itself by default and that the same thing that >> stalled me for ten minutes back in 2000, might be what's stopping >> me from installing anything over my 7.3 in 2012. >> >> any wizards how how to fix this? > Are you sure you can't backup your important files and start again? > You might have a good deal of trouble jumping by 2 major releases at > the best of times. > > Also, 9.0 is significantly different in many ways to 7.x in dir > structure _and_ filesystems, to just mention a few. I new (clean) > install would be _highly_ recommended ;) > _______________________________________________ i have a working copy on 7.3 #4 on my Server. the server in a 2009 dell; the one that is busted and that i want to upgrade ---to either debian-6-iso or freebsd9-iso is my old 2003 dell. two different computers. the thing with the old dell is that nothing can boot off it. it keep cycling, trying to boot a 7.3 #1. i just remembered that the floppy disk was a DOS file with a secret command :A:\MBR that got rid of that boot track. it's looking more and more hopeless. .... wasn't/isn't there some kind of "fixit" CD? gary > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 02:56:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D87B106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164688FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACB55C28 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:09:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 238555C22 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:09:47 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3B1DB9.6020902@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:51:37 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120215000838.GA26583@thought.org> <4F3B0D00.4050605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3B11FB.80900@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <4F3B11FB.80900@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:23 -0000 On 02/15/12 12:01, Gary Kline wrote: > On 02/14/2012 05:40 PM, Da Rock wrote: >> On 02/15/12 10:08, Gary Kline wrote: >>> guys, >>> >>> is there still a way of fixing something i did to my existing >>> installation? it does nothing but continually cycle e and try to >>> reboot into the old release i had from feb 2011. i thought editing >>> out /etc/fstab would do it. but nope, it throws me into the lowest >>> level manual config and then hangs. i cannot even install release 9.0 >>> which is the only other path. either some stable distro of debian, >>> or getting past release8 and going to 9. >>> >>> first, tho, i need to get rid of this [[messed up]] 7.3. >>> >>> let me share a story from when i was visiting a favorite cousin who >>> put up about half of NASA's huge antennas. long retired, he lives >>> out where not even god could find him. he wanted to see proof of my >>> beloved freebsd. so, using a new set of discs that i bought, i >>> started the installation. { FWIW, --this was in july, 2000. } I >>> happened to mention that freebsd had trouble configuring the >>> printers. or that that could get hairy. he stopped what he was >>> doing and asked me to get back to his windows toys and games. i had >>> a floppy w ith the mystery file "MBR" that removed that single file. >>> >>> my hunch is that since i never mess with anything but freebsd, i >>> left it configure itself by default and that the same thing that >>> stalled me for ten minutes back in 2000, might be what's stopping >>> me from installing anything over my 7.3 in 2012. >>> >>> any wizards how how to fix this? >> Are you sure you can't backup your important files and start again? >> You might have a good deal of trouble jumping by 2 major releases at >> the best of times. >> >> Also, 9.0 is significantly different in many ways to 7.x in dir >> structure _and_ filesystems, to just mention a few. I new (clean) >> install would be _highly_ recommended ;) >> _______________________________________________ > > i have a working copy on 7.3 #4 on my Server. the server in a 2009 > dell; the one that is busted and that i want to upgrade ---to either > debian-6-iso or freebsd9-iso is my old 2003 dell. two different > computers. the thing with the old dell is that nothing can boot off > it. it keep cycling, trying to boot a 7.3 #1. > > i just remembered that the floppy disk was a DOS file with a secret > command :A:\MBR that got rid of that boot track. > > it's looking more and more hopeless. > > .... > > wasn't/isn't there some kind of "fixit" CD? You can't take the disks out to copy data off them? Or use 7.0 live to copy across to the working dell? If you cant do that, then use the live disk to run fdisk and restore the mbr. "man fdisk" If you have already tried installing 9 though, you may have some "unexpected behaviour" - kinda like what you're seeing now I'll bet. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 02:56:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564701065670 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A5E8FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3TnlGv4yp3zTk for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:40:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:39:40 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <2F0AA9C8CF16B52E168F9E05@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:48 -0000 --As of February 15, 2012 2:31:10 AM +0200, Daniel Shahaf is alleged to have said: > One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs > root. > > It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel > (self compiled) with a mountfrom error: > > http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfrom.png > mountfrom> zfs:zroot > Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... > Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. > > We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are > unchanged. (The zroot fs is at version 4.) > > Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? > What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? --As for the rest, it is mine. Did you update the bootloader? Depending on when you installed the system, it's possible your upgrading the zpool means the bootloader can't read it. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 03:09:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C6F106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielsh@apache.org) Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E49B98FC15 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 67773 invoked by uid 99); 15 Feb 2012 03:09:47 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:09:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO daniel3.local) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username danielsh, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:09:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:09:34 +0200 From: Daniel Shahaf To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120215030934.GA7135@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <2F0AA9C8CF16B52E168F9E05@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2F0AA9C8CF16B52E168F9E05@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: infrastructure-private@apache.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:09:49 -0000 Daniel Staal wrote on Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 21:39:40 -0500: > --As of February 15, 2012 2:31:10 AM +0200, Daniel Shahaf is alleged > to have said: > > >One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs > >root. > > > >It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel > >(self compiled) with a mountfrom error: > > > > http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfrom.png > > mountfrom> zfs:zroot > > Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... > > Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. > > > >We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are > >unchanged. (The zroot fs is at version 4.) > > > >Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? > >What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > Did you update the bootloader? Depending on when you installed the > system, it's possible your upgrading the zpool means the bootloader > can't read it. > Immediately after upgrading the zroot zpool I ran gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${devices} as instructed in /usr/src/UPDATING. I did not pass -b. > Daniel T. Staal > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 04:03:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5867010656DE for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB898FC15 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5FA4FE8058B; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:03:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:03:02 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120215040302.GA4204@thought.org> References: <20120215000838.GA26583@thought.org> <4F3B0D00.4050605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3B11FB.80900@thought.org> <4F3B1DB9.6020902@herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3B1DB9.6020902@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:03:03 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:51:37PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:51:37 +1000 > From: Da Rock > Subject: Re: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > On 02/15/12 12:01, Gary Kline wrote: > >On 02/14/2012 05:40 PM, Da Rock wrote: > >>On 02/15/12 10:08, Gary Kline wrote: > >>>guys, > >>> [[old stuff that nobody will reread!]] > > > >i have a working copy on 7.3 #4 on my Server. the server in a > >2009 dell; the one that is busted and that i want to upgrade > >---to either debian-6-iso or freebsd9-iso is my old 2003 dell. > >two different computers. the thing with the old dell is that > >nothing can boot off it. it keep cycling, trying to boot a 7.3 > >#1. > > > >i just remembered that the floppy disk was a DOS file with a > >secret command :A:\MBR that got rid of that boot track. > > > >it's looking more and more hopeless. > > > >.... > > > >wasn't/isn't there some kind of "fixit" CD? > You can't take the disks out to copy data off them? Or use 7.0 live > to copy across to the working dell? what is on my '09 dell is current. i copy my web, mail, and DNS files at least nightly to here [ my ubuntu desktop]. i also have several copies of the tarball here and on one other computer. so there is nothing on the 2003 dell that i need. a friend helped me bring in it from the garage on sunday and cable it up. i was doing to e either go with debian or fbsd-9 as a new Server in a few months. i am tir ed of trying to keep FBSD current. it is just a server: DNS, mail, and web. years ago the thinking was that if a release worked, then great: there was no need to keep upgrading just for the sake of upgrading. my ubuntu desktop is configured to keep itself updated. this frees me from wondering if an updated gtk will be missing a dependency; so i can concentrate on my hacking. this is the main reason i'm considering quitting freebsd for my server and going with something _almost_ as good. > > If you cant do that, then use the live disk to run fdisk and restore > the mbr. "man fdisk" ye gods! cab you give me a url to this 'live' file? my d/load on freebsd-9-iso is about 3 minutes from finishing up. i would like to see how much work this live cd is going to entain. and how much different it will be to get my server files onto a linux-based platform. ---i've been using freebsd since release 2.0.5. long time > > If you have already tried installing 9 though, you may have some > "unexpected behaviour" - kinda like what you're seeing now I'll bet. not yet. the ISO file is safely tucked away. it would fail. i've got to use the live distribution first. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 04:48:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61FF1065674 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B748FC18 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7955C28 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:01:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 63A735C22 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:01:41 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3B37F4.7080800@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:43:32 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120215000838.GA26583@thought.org> <4F3B0D00.4050605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3B11FB.80900@thought.org> <4F3B1DB9.6020902@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120215040302.GA4204@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20120215040302.GA4204@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:48:17 -0000 On 02/15/12 14:03, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:51:37PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:51:37 +1000 >> From: Da Rock >> Subject: Re: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >> On 02/15/12 12:01, Gary Kline wrote: >>> On 02/14/2012 05:40 PM, Da Rock wrote: >>>> On 02/15/12 10:08, Gary Kline wrote: >>>>> guys, >>>>> > [[old stuff that nobody will reread!]] > >>> i have a working copy on 7.3 #4 on my Server. the server in a >>> 2009 dell; the one that is busted and that i want to upgrade >>> ---to either debian-6-iso or freebsd9-iso is my old 2003 dell. >>> two different computers. the thing with the old dell is that >>> nothing can boot off it. it keep cycling, trying to boot a 7.3 >>> #1. >>> >>> i just remembered that the floppy disk was a DOS file with a >>> secret command :A:\MBR that got rid of that boot track. >>> >>> it's looking more and more hopeless. >>> >>> .... >>> >>> wasn't/isn't there some kind of "fixit" CD? >> You can't take the disks out to copy data off them? Or use 7.0 live >> to copy across to the working dell? > > what is on my '09 dell is current. i copy my web, mail, and DNS > files at least nightly to here [ my ubuntu desktop]. i also have > several copies of the tarball here and on one other computer. so > there is nothing on the 2003 dell that i need. > > a friend helped me bring in it from the garage on sunday and cable > it up. i was doing to e either go with debian or fbsd-9 as a new > Server in a few months. > > i am tir ed of trying to keep FBSD current. it is just a server: > DNS, mail, and web. years ago the thinking was that if a release > worked, then great: there was no need to keep upgrading just for > the sake of upgrading. > > my ubuntu desktop is configured to keep itself updated. this frees > me from wondering if an updated gtk will be missing a dependency; so > i can concentrate on my hacking. this is the main reason i'm > considering quitting freebsd for my server and going with something > _almost_ as good. > > >> If you cant do that, then use the live disk to run fdisk and restore >> the mbr. "man fdisk" > > ye gods! cab you give me a url to this 'live' file? my > d/load on freebsd-9-iso is about 3 minutes from finishing > up. i would like to see how much work this live cd is going > to entain. and how much different it will be to get my > server files onto a linux-based platform. ---i've been > using freebsd since release 2.0.5. long time It will be in the release archives - probably a live version of the legacy release atm, so check there first. Otherwise just hunt through the ftp directories, it shouldn't be hard to find. I had a 7.0 livefs version at one point. > > >> If you have already tried installing 9 though, you may have some >> "unexpected behaviour" - kinda like what you're seeing now I'll bet. > > not yet. the ISO file is safely tucked away. it would fail. > i've got to use the live distribution first. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 09:01:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15BD106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:01:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from lon1-msapost-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-msapost-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E988FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.41.35.220] (helo=[192.168.16.85]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH g8kbv) (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.69) id 1Rxajm-0000Gm-ZD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:01:19 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:01:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4F3B745E.21736.25D537@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4F3B11FB.80900@thought.org> References: <20120215000838.GA26583@thought.org>, <4F3B0D00.4050605@herveybayaustralia.com.au>, <4F3B11FB.80900@thought.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.62) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:01:20 -0000 On 14 Feb 2012 at 18:01, Gary Kline wrote: > On 02/14/2012 05:40 PM, Da Rock wrote: > > On 02/15/12 10:08, Gary Kline wrote: > >> guys, > >> > >> is there still a way of fixing something i did to my existing > >> installation? it does nothing but continually cycle e and try to > >> reboot into the old release i had from feb 2011. i thought editing > >> out /etc/fstab would do it. but nope, it throws me into the lowest > >> level manual config and then hangs. i cannot even install release > >> 9.0 which is the only other path. either some stable distro of > >> debian, or getting past release8 and going to 9. > >> > >> first, tho, i need to get rid of this [[messed up]] 7.3. > >> > >> let me share a story from when i was visiting a favorite cousin who > >> put up about half of NASA's huge antennas. long retired, he lives > >> out where not even god could find him. he wanted to see proof of > >> my beloved freebsd. so, using a new set of discs that i bought, i > >> started the installation. { FWIW, --this was in july, 2000. } I > >> happened to mention that freebsd had trouble configuring the > >> printers. or that that could get hairy. he stopped what he was > >> doing and asked me to get back to his windows toys and games. i > >> had a floppy w ith the mystery file "MBR" that removed that single > >> file. > >> > >> my hunch is that since i never mess with anything but freebsd, i > >> left it configure itself by default and that the same thing that > >> stalled me for ten minutes back in 2000, might be what's stopping > >> me from installing anything over my 7.3 in 2012. > >> > >> any wizards how how to fix this? > > Are you sure you can't backup your important files and start again? > > You might have a good deal of trouble jumping by 2 major releases at > > the best of times. > > > > Also, 9.0 is significantly different in many ways to 7.x in dir > > structure _and_ filesystems, to just mention a few. I new (clean) > > install would be _highly_ recommended ;) > > _______________________________________________ > > i have a working copy on 7.3 #4 on my Server. the server in a 2009 > dell; the one that is busted and that i want to upgrade ---to either > debian-6-iso or freebsd9-iso is my old 2003 dell. two different > computers. the thing with the old dell is that nothing can boot off > it. it keep cycling, trying to boot a 7.3 #1. > > i just remembered that the floppy disk was a DOS file with a secret > command :A:\MBR that got rid of that boot track. > > it's looking more and more hopeless. > > .... > > wasn't/isn't there some kind of "fixit" CD? > > gary Sounds like you need to get into the Dell's BIOS, and alter the boot order, so as it looks first at CD and Floppy drives, before the hard disk. Dell's can be funny things at times though, especially if it's been setup for a headless boot (server mode)... The old tool you're thinking of for DOS/Windows was "FixMBR". I thihk like 'Da Rock' has suggested, you best pull the affected hard disk, and either put it in a USB caddy, then mount it as an external drive on a working system, if it's not badly mullered somehow, or install it as an extra drive in such a similar system, and get stuff off it like that, is probably the best way. Then, flatten it and do a clean install of whatever, with it fitted back into it's original home. Unless someone else comes up with a better plan. Regards. Dave B. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 09:25:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CDA10657C0 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039E38FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:25:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=UOp1ai65djj09F0edPMJtIhyMvuZBQbjbZN75jsboN4=; b=KLtHzTTwxHNeFXh698k3wxI0A12AKbgfDJh5WF0CUSqlkygMnn3ynNQ7LQSEKrKP5yWp0wOyx3Y8i137mPdN5gOyMBTZfeWhxmBAYt/D9xew6VaTmwIe5vrSUUFTmDID52n/evqVsKyArHkj0YzPgC8cuFYeq8/xnbfoUojkT1c= Received: from [192.168.1.125] ([120.29.64.34]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:25:17 -0800 Message-ID: <4F3B79FC.2010905@a1poweruser.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:25:16 +0800 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2012 09:25:17.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[BADD30F0:01CCEBC3] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Subject: laptop freebsd display not filling whole screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:25:17 -0000 I installed 9.0 on a Toshiba laptop. The Freebsd console only fills a small box in the center of the screen. I found nothing in the handbook about this so I am asking here. How do I get the console to fill to whole laptop screen? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 10:16:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1258E1065705 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:16:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DF78FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69985C28 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:30:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CD335C22 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:30:10 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3B84F0.6010404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:12:00 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3B79FC.2010905@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3B79FC.2010905@a1poweruser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: laptop freebsd display not filling whole screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:16:46 -0000 On 02/15/12 19:25, Fbsd8 wrote: > I installed 9.0 on a Toshiba laptop. The Freebsd console only fills a > small box in the center of the screen. I found nothing in the handbook > about this so I am asking here. > > How do I get the console to fill to whole laptop screen? You are talking about a terminal screen and not X Windows? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 10:43:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34FD1065678 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:43:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gkontos.mail@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4608FC23 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so1655237iae.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:43:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=e5p46t62pizwFYxbK8Ya/z4uGOBJcVd4ZrarghZVTJI=; b=aSIj0PvQjdqM30lyqbiU3M5zlvwh/vTsGo9Xnd8E5aMjSV6kuVq1tlpaN1vk8OA7Ir E7C7Iahb06EINl+3NAhtY+Tf5XUS6Qn99Y0Z9U8ryh322/z42JN4IBdbdm5Q0pBlCbmZ BU78is3H+3NQLgXpDoNsAg7/og7qyna4EjUtQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.94.228 with SMTP id df4mr40902218igb.12.1329300926372; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.231.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:15:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120215030934.GA7135@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <2F0AA9C8CF16B52E168F9E05@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120215030934.GA7135@daniel3.local> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:15:26 +0200 Message-ID: From: George Kontostanos To: Daniel Shahaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: infrastructure-private@apache.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:43:23 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Daniel Staal wrote on Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 21:39:40 -0500: >> --As of February 15, 2012 2:31:10 AM +0200, Daniel Shahaf is alleged >> to have said: >> >> >One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs >> >root. >> > >> >It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel >> >(self compiled) with a mountfrom error: >> > >> > =A0 =A0http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfro= m.png >> > =A0 =A0mountfrom> zfs:zroot >> > =A0 =A0Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... >> > =A0 =A0Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. >> > >> >We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are >> >unchanged. =A0(The zroot fs is at version 4.) >> > >> >Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? >> >What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? >> >> --As for the rest, it is mine. >> >> Did you update the bootloader? =A0Depending on when you installed the >> system, it's possible your upgrading the zpool means the bootloader >> can't read it. >> > > Immediately after upgrading the zroot zpool I ran > > =A0 =A0gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${devices} > > as instructed in /usr/src/UPDATING. =A0I did not pass -b. > >> Daniel T. Staal Hi could you try passing the -b switch like this: gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${devices} --=20 George Kontostanos Aicom telecoms ltd http://www.aisecure.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 10:56:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFC6106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:56:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gkontos.mail@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339428FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so1674083iae.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=95eo1r9rlwvmYBzSUSldhqxM0S93LttxURrCJoTv9Qk=; b=qM6qCFNps1KEEFaQ95BubUTvANT5fmg10/1EHXgrLHheK0v/fC+JtLk9WiDbUJnpQ+ ig1HRP+RvYA98uwzUqx7yx4/fSAy/LOM5uuqF/oCPm6/YJrxkRXhNb6L5fl6QCBiHIwO gAhzVfhKc2shdZK1kqmV3xLsxk+gSF/j87KeU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.153.133 with SMTP id vg5mr10301052igb.8.1329303393800; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.231.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:56:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <2F0AA9C8CF16B52E168F9E05@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120215030934.GA7135@daniel3.local> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:56:33 +0200 Message-ID: From: George Kontostanos To: questions@freebsd.org, infrastructure-private@apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:56:34 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM, George Kontostanos wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrot= e: >> Daniel Staal wrote on Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 21:39:40 -0500: >>> --As of February 15, 2012 2:31:10 AM +0200, Daniel Shahaf is alleged >>> to have said: >>> >>> >One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs >>> >root. >>> > >>> >It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel >>> >(self compiled) with a mountfrom error: >>> > >>> > =A0 =A0http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfr= om.png >>> > =A0 =A0mountfrom> zfs:zroot >>> > =A0 =A0Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... >>> > =A0 =A0Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. >>> > >>> >We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are >>> >unchanged. =A0(The zroot fs is at version 4.) >>> > >>> >Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? >>> >What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? >>> >>> --As for the rest, it is mine. >>> >>> Did you update the bootloader? =A0Depending on when you installed the >>> system, it's possible your upgrading the zpool means the bootloader >>> can't read it. >>> >> >> Immediately after upgrading the zroot zpool I ran >> >> =A0 =A0gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${devices} >> >> as instructed in /usr/src/UPDATING. =A0I did not pass -b. >> >>> Daniel T. Staal > > Hi could you try passing the -b switch like this: > > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${devices} > On a second look I doubt that this has anything to do with an outdated bootcode. Was this a new 9.0-RC2 install? Also, how many devices are in the pool that you are trying to boot from? --=20 George Kontostanos Aicom telecoms ltd http://www.aisecure.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 11:24:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEBE106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19D98FC12 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97B45C28 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:37:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7228E5C22 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:37:38 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3B94C0.8060205@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:19:28 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3B79FC.2010905@a1poweruser.com> <4F3B84F0.6010404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3B84F0.6010404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: laptop freebsd display not filling whole screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:24:14 -0000 On 02/15/12 20:12, Da Rock wrote: > On 02/15/12 19:25, Fbsd8 wrote: >> I installed 9.0 on a Toshiba laptop. The Freebsd console only fills a >> small box in the center of the screen. I found nothing in the >> handbook about this so I am asking here. >> >> How do I get the console to fill to whole laptop screen? > You are talking about a terminal screen and not X Windows? If you are talking of the terminal screen, then check man vidcontrol. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 11:19:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CC2106566C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:19:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kron24@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E0E8FC16 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so1028890bkc.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:19:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sHUNlwJuZ2rFRsN3OYtjDXJgH87yQSfFag6d+pv9qKo=; b=iCcX6tVg9ciUrK0qEzz8j6u/qV3FisptVbFt3pmUdkKYaG9cIpkOmo3kz2/DF6Tuur +oxVtRTk87VmLdFrmPN20iCf7RcXX2B40OnRiF0LiVz7z7s0oR1kn3spaH83oILmreQK Taueaurl4nGciC1AY4j+UeqizOy9/gtu5T+1Y= Received: by 10.204.156.207 with SMTP id y15mr11543423bkw.83.1329304743053; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nbvk.local (uidzr185150.sattnet.cz. [212.96.185.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bw9sm5881212bkb.8.2012.02.15.03.18.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:19:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3B94A1.6030004@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:18:57 +0100 From: kron User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120214 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3B79FC.2010905@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3B79FC.2010905@a1poweruser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:44:42 +0000 Subject: Re: laptop freebsd display not filling whole screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:19:04 -0000 On 2012/02/15 10:25, Fbsd8 wrote: > I installed 9.0 on a Toshiba laptop. The Freebsd console only fills a > small box in the center of the screen. I found nothing in the handbook > about this so I am asking here. > > How do I get the console to fill to whole laptop screen? I met it earlier a few times on various notebooks and I think it has nothing to do with FreeBSD per se. On some notebooks I changed it via *BIOS* settings but usually didn't care at all - I use X sessions mostly... HTH Oli From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 13:35:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0AF1065673 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F618FC19 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so802228wib.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:35:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=tAuXWipL2XtyQQw8EqalG8Edu3O/q/8AQpvogwx31ic=; b=dNLOkFJGYTfaE+z+hac8MNKVBzmxALk3NvfIopfWlYSb/yb7uvuhl3CPIcbpkM43N+ fcFpw5WuN3mecJl2PV1YAyFzMzW16pqcAr3TEtOI66MkYv4qP7jhZ2rzpxRG/w7w52BK +/AKk7SpQsO86KrcvynU+pzhfu5gH/rsXM4nk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.102.35 with SMTP id fl3mr35261297wib.22.1329312943299; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:35:43 -0800 (PST) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.227.137.143 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:35:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:35:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CH5kgmQGxIiHD2MSP5UCayVTWUo Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 8.2-RELEASE sysinstall creates duplicate rc.conf lines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:35:44 -0000 Hi all, We recently discovered that sysinstall appears to be adding it's own lines to /etc/rc.conf which are duplicates of lines that we are inserting during builds. For example, on one of our hosts, we are adding "defaultrouter" and "ifconfig_em0" with certain network configurations. When we reboot the system we find that sysinstall also inserted a "defaultrouter" and "ifconfig_em0" populated with the data that existed on the interface during the build. See a sample of the rc.conf below. We are making use of the keeprcconf in the install.cfg, but this does not prevent sysinstall from adding those lines. Is there some way to prevent this behavior? # Sample rc.conf after sysinstall build defaultrouter="10.0.0.1" defaultrouter="192.168.0.1" hostname="bsdtest" ifconfig_em0="inet 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.252.0" ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.0.2 netmaks 255.255.255.0" sshd_enable="YES" -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 14:13:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8FB106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from w3@langhans.com.pl) Received: from mail.langhans.com.pl (host-194126238033.net-serwis.pl [194.126.238.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3188FC22 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.langhans.com.pl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A289234EB2D; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:57:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:57:25 +0100 From: herbert langhans To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20120215135725.GB20425@manul.langhans.com.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: re. laptop freebsd display not filling whole screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:13:40 -0000 My IBM Thinkpad does that trick. But its some hardware-function and can be switched via special key + FN8. Maybe download the service or installation manual for your laptop and find some option? Maybe also something in the setup? 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[index.html?action=tracking_emailopen&eid=ZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnNAZnJl ZWJzZC5vcmc=&sdt=2012-02-15 02:02:05&utm_source=6031227&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=0&utm_content=0& utm_campaign=InviteContact&sb_code=7290839&follow_emails=1] References 1. http://www.tradekey.com/index.html?action=signup_step1&mclinkid=4941273&CI=1&pl=1&c_id=bpWWVYjWByo%3D 2. http://www.tradekey.com/index.html?action=signup_step1&mclinkid=4941273&CI=1&pl=1&c_id=bpWWVYjWByo%3D 3. http://www.tradekey.com/index.html?action=otherpages_invitationmember&var=c12Ra8yfZxaOOGUPwMU7v6I1y7x18bj%2FHtj0qFDHpswl6tUKx6LMrBG66SJ6%2FG80aCWnlIOgu37vUmd%2FvVD7iw%3D%3D 4. http://www.tradekey.com/index.html?action=contactsimporter_importer From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 15:35:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1BD106566C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gkontos.mail@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2352C8FC1F for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl12 with SMTP id l12so810446yen.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:35:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QEbDYMj2lBju000k1tbg0gSixETRAHhsXPIFQqrFYCc=; b=S4z/wpCFYgkOu4kAXArznzztUHH6aZEvoImxTublTIFkJ7VAOtrPrTDAxG/PcmlaVl +958xi31o269tyOwEbtxIPT9KbIwpD69YfqEVBwKkZ44d7GpxiQm76piNHmTl9/AFUDp gz8yCkymZZ8KylWgEg34ipAgrR2sLK58AECLw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.57.234 with SMTP id l10mr42702921igq.12.1329320135428; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.231.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:35:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120215152632.GA12344@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <2F0AA9C8CF16B52E168F9E05@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120215030934.GA7135@daniel3.local> <20120215152632.GA12344@daniel3.local> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:35:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: George Kontostanos To: Daniel Shahaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: infrastructure-private@apache.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:35:36 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Daniel Shahaf wro= te: > George Kontostanos wrote on Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:56:33 +0200: >> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM, George Kontostanos >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Daniel Shahaf w= rote: >> >> Daniel Staal wrote on Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 21:39:40 -0500: >> >>> --As of February 15, 2012 2:31:10 AM +0200, Daniel Shahaf is alleged >> >>> to have said: >> >>> >> >>> >One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a z= fs >> >>> >root. >> >>> > >> >>> >It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kerne= l >> >>> >(self compiled) with a mountfrom error: >> >>> > >> >>> > =A0 =A0http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-moun= tfrom.png >> >>> > =A0 =A0mountfrom> zfs:zroot >> >>> > =A0 =A0Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... >> >>> > =A0 =A0Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. >> >>> > >> >>> >We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are >> >>> >unchanged. =A0(The zroot fs is at version 4.) >> >>> > >> >>> >Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn= 't? >> >>> >What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? >> >>> >> >>> --As for the rest, it is mine. >> >>> >> >>> Did you update the bootloader? =A0Depending on when you installed th= e >> >>> system, it's possible your upgrading the zpool means the bootloader >> >>> can't read it. >> >>> >> >> >> >> Immediately after upgrading the zroot zpool I ran >> >> >> >> =A0 =A0gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${devices} >> >> >> >> as instructed in /usr/src/UPDATING. =A0I did not pass -b. >> >> >> >>> Daniel T. Staal >> > >> > Hi could you try passing the -b switch like this: >> > >> > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${devices} >> > >> >> >> On a second look I doubt that this has anything to do with an outdated >> bootcode. >> > > *nod* trying 'gpart bootcode -b' is on the list still, though. =A0It > shouldn't hurt. > >> Was this a new 9.0-RC2 install? > > No, it was an upgrade from 8.2-RELEASE. > >> Also, how many devices are in the pool that you are trying to boot from? >> > > Six: mfid[0-5]p3. > >> -- >> George Kontostanos >> Aicom telecoms ltd >> http://www.aisecure.net >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" Try loading geom_part_gpt.ko to see if it helps. --=20 George Kontostanos Aicom telecoms ltd http://www.aisecure.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 15:44:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AE11065676 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.s@daniel.shahaf.name) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19768FC1B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:44:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E63220B10; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:26:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= daniel.shahaf.name; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to; s=mesmtp; bh=JD7gttfWkXT+QzAB/QXREwi50Ag=; b=csiQb Zew1sfA+k9/Icq3MM87Lomz+EJMJMxl2RPF4KancSwa1tvc8WcWhVFFcytardfdT gi70WDqK66ap5ca4mhTty9+witOVxnAGtcffG+0YxgFjwm+iNbfPa4+SrtCaxcXv /KBm6KH5fXSXqkOvbekcBrm7uH2Qw3hSzM6/8E= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to; s=smtpout; bh=JD7gttfWkXT+QzAB/QXREwi50Ag=; b=HZf2 sHuL1UvHmHBmykTei7YdmMLVTNm4JuO97QsirbdrQa+IuKxZJfSTskRbVo5L1xAE SWZhbCuoHIBlkhxgzqM7yyMjTYiLQzpjcm5+/+tg1MroSGywfIWyQZxVEtAJz7QG uByAlrj4Ve2aPMeO1nispRrhgLgbLy4Wjdv36Xo= X-Sasl-enc: MeAorOCAaWiL3hhBCMYBrt5yBcAjgRj/O9qN/T+UM1h+oQAlUwYwmGfo7vP5CA 1329319607 Received: from daniel3.local (bzq-79-180-206-85.red.bezeqint.net [79.180.206.85]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F247F8E012E; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:26:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:26:32 +0200 From: Daniel Shahaf To: George Kontostanos Message-ID: <20120215152632.GA12344@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <2F0AA9C8CF16B52E168F9E05@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120215030934.GA7135@daniel3.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: infrastructure-private@apache.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:44:24 -0000 George Kontostanos wrote on Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:56:33 +0200: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM, George Kontostanos > wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > >> Daniel Staal wrote on Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 21:39:40 -0500: > >>> --As of February 15, 2012 2:31:10 AM +0200, Daniel Shahaf is alleged > >>> to have said: > >>> > >>> >One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs > >>> >root. > >>> > > >>> >It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel > >>> >(self compiled) with a mountfrom error: > >>> > > >>> >    http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfrom.png > >>> >    mountfrom> zfs:zroot > >>> >    Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... > >>> >    Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. > >>> > > >>> >We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are > >>> >unchanged.  (The zroot fs is at version 4.) > >>> > > >>> >Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? > >>> >What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? > >>> > >>> --As for the rest, it is mine. > >>> > >>> Did you update the bootloader?  Depending on when you installed the > >>> system, it's possible your upgrading the zpool means the bootloader > >>> can't read it. > >>> > >> > >> Immediately after upgrading the zroot zpool I ran > >> > >>    gpart bootcode -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${devices} > >> > >> as instructed in /usr/src/UPDATING.  I did not pass -b. > >> > >>> Daniel T. Staal > > > > Hi could you try passing the -b switch like this: > > > > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 ${devices} > > > > > On a second look I doubt that this has anything to do with an outdated > bootcode. > *nod* trying 'gpart bootcode -b' is on the list still, though. It shouldn't hurt. > Was this a new 9.0-RC2 install? No, it was an upgrade from 8.2-RELEASE. > Also, how many devices are in the pool that you are trying to boot from? > Six: mfid[0-5]p3. > -- > George Kontostanos > Aicom telecoms ltd > http://www.aisecure.net > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 16:09:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2671B106564A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B378FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl12 with SMTP id l12so845625yen.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:09:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Hf75WcG8DsL1JRgISQFcHTbiiu2HEv96WeUlcVYGdN0=; b=uBfiTKdQXpAUGcJICZH74hkcb9B/U28IxEQjn1mPM/S0H53cp/1pw3vIbGv/UBsPzV Gl20/CD9wTHFppMtlZJ/8U0xc9mTtkP2cLqN7F3oXUgqlwfbT91IXLRmg4BnXFJL+M+F 2sdJ+XldZ8eDmH8/OEA8YUI0ICfmeJ5oCnSqg= Received: by 10.50.169.5 with SMTP id aa5mr12581158igc.17.1329322143060; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-98-212-197-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.197.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8sm6580588ibl.6.2012.02.15.08.09.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:09:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3BD894.1070302@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:08:52 -0600 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> In-Reply-To: <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:09:04 -0000 On 2/14/2012 6:31 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs root. > > It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel > (self compiled) with a mountfrom error: > > http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfrom.png > mountfrom> zfs:zroot > Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... > Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. > > We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are > unchanged. (The zroot fs is at version 4.) > > Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? > What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? > > Thanks. > Try booting a fixit CD/USB and mounting the zfs pool. It looks like your pool is set up like mine. If it mounts, the way zfs mounts everything, you'll overlay your fixit file system with your zroot. It'll make it annoying to fix, especially dealing with zpool.cache. If it mounts, make a copy of the cache file. I switched from a zpool with two disks to a zmirror, with a third disk to help hold data. It wasn't fun, but it can be done. One problem I had was getting zpool.cache to work properly on reboot. I had to do the overlay mount, and I think I killed the power to prevent zfs from removing the file. I'd suspect a zpool.cache problem. ZFS doesn't think your zroot was mounted so doesn't try to mount it even though the bootloader finds the kernel. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 16:22:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA64106564A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.s@daniel.shahaf.name) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8BC8FC1C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.45]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9385B20A0F; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.160]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:22:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= daniel.shahaf.name; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=mesmtp; bh= sv6D5GdAzhDWe2rosM86ocGUjvM=; b=Xz92k6f1Xup/NbedyLQBT6aGtx7BdX8n l9G8+3EqMrRgC4EgrqvcDsAxcJm9q9pdawZeQZwHkqq7m1q9K3jWdx7ckSOYAzGv /uZ+7YaKxRN0odbmPVIo7WPnmPtkPAV46bWWJnKvUPngVBsmwjBQtOfjdEy8kD8y OhF/V18uNcM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=smtpout; bh=sv6D5GdAzhDWe2rosM86ocGUjvM=; b=XiAbwBtyZXqvy/czNWaiDtWIl243 B1FdaM9hTru+EP/crxylP/CyXakJ7wSkDjdwM2/q2HVmV8eGbkVS8Bhm/gWpLfQS 1vlmB0ndvXFeadG7kiiUh8GFK4iNumAynxx8R0TbYZc7AIJHe957SacuEIZJDOs9 qUulHiH+bQRD7VU= X-Sasl-enc: E55EqjEtOekwDO5UkkcPxArCcQlMCdZ7BmGI4t3AuP49neyDMVjhDbtlKv/NBw 1329322945 Received: from daniel3.local (bzq-79-180-206-85.red.bezeqint.net [79.180.206.85]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F90F8E01C2; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:22:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:21:48 +0200 From: Daniel Shahaf To: George Kontostanos Message-ID: <20120215162148.GA13534@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <2F0AA9C8CF16B52E168F9E05@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120215030934.GA7135@daniel3.local> <20120215152632.GA12344@daniel3.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: infrastructure-private@apache.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:22:26 -0000 George Kontostanos wrote on Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 17:35:35 +0200: > Try loading geom_part_gpt.ko to see if it helps. > Thanks for the suggestion. I've tried: unload load /boot/testkernel/kernel load /boot/testkernel/geom_part_gpt.ko load /boot/testkernel/zfs.ko load /boot/testkernel/accf_data.ko load /boot/testkernel/accf_http.ko load /boot/testkernel/ipmi.ko The symptoms are unchanged, except that this time a backtrace was given: #2 0xffffffff808c1bda at vfs_mountroot+0x1d7a #3 ... at start_init+0x4c Still looking into the other suggestions. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 16:34:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9816106566C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:34:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ramirocaso05@yahoo.com.ar) Received: from nm4-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A27C38FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.48] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2012 16:21:17 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.131] by tm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2012 16:21:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2012 16:21:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com.ar; s=s1024; t=1329322876; bh=i+t72F1dCJfjjMsIv17kYqQVxKOtGpSVbD+bAJPbmmg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oPvCEcwXFV6GL7oGNCKiSmrqoLGQcf3M6SF5ytqzUvV/GMhpakYuWaYs+uqXpXkE3X9H2JU01ynXVg+BRHoWBPbhRFxf7zr874jrYv7mHD7d1GCjnyd/ahGnuD08sdhy8jW6aFup6f/wFn4DLqvHr0516MhquRipL52Et496SjM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 938083.67966.bm@smtp218.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: PovHA0oVM1lWb1xif5ZZzYYTijRhCxb42qpDCqO1tMt9ncG i9rzwsBHK4lOcuWbMvj.c44XvVRDW3bqHoWwt8O4Jt9zXiuPDvP4w730RFOV Qvs6PlZPjafTk5bTJv_IDdJk9WfGvfXBbM3sc8G8a.rD8tRg_MNEwNAIHAiV Zs6sAUG79Q_iiAYxlzkR20dXfMdAXR_okAmdqgEvWZ.9PmxU98qU4MdcFB2Y iSbXWBIqjV1Z5UWE7viaKYA2HJxa1PHwKS3V92Dczp4cTMD2LsMWh.sADNtf LaobiCTwtC2H34rb.87dMojmSx5MC0gE_nnMlZT1Yl8YSgSYzYSL2GVMBNJW L8UgxSPctTtjqq5KZQySEuM594l6e1bo6bDpIpOPhlTtwqFe4Kn3WHE.8n81 w5JLSF420iCoFroq_B5fS3bjpE5yIQF.3RFvr X-Yahoo-SMTP: nvs2XB.swBAGTflg2_BV8MKeFlUrIJyEuA-- Received: from [192.168.1.104] (ramirocaso05@186.22.49.170 with plain) by smtp218.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2012 08:21:16 -0800 PST Message-ID: <4F3BDB40.2030101@yahoo.com.ar> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:20:16 -0300 From: Ramiro Caso User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120214 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:46:48 +0000 Subject: 9.0-RELEASE: Strange freezing and kernel panics on laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:34:04 -0000 Hi, I'm in need of advice. I've recently installed FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE on my laptop (a Dell Inspiron 1318) with a good deal of success. However, I've been experiencing a few hiccups, to say the least. The kernel is the GENERIC for the amd64 architecture that comes with the installation images (no funny compilation issues on my part): $ uname -a FreeBSD apeiron 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:46:30 UTC 2012 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Since I've installed it, the system has been freezing for apparently no reason and, once in a while, rebooting upon a kernel panic. The kernel panics come in two varieties: Fatal Trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode Fatal Trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode I have the dump files. [Concerning the Fatal Trap 12: I ran memtest86+ and everything turned out alright on the memory side.] As for the recurrent freezing, it seems to me (but this is a hunch) that it might be related to wireless card issues (since, for what I can recall, it happens some time after I start having connection issues). Also, every time I do a "netif restart", the system just freezes after displaying two lines: bwn0: need multicast update callback TODO: need swap [In order not to raise side issues, I have a fully working LP PHY Broadcom 4312 (except for these issues), and I have hw.bwn.usedma=0 in loader.conf---but the freezing thing happens whether it is set to 1 or 0.] A quick inspection to log files reveals some pattern in /var/log/messages: =================================== Feb 10 19:01:59 apeiron wpa_supplicant[464]: WPA: Group rekeying completed with 68:7f:74:e9:d6:91 [GTK=TKIP] Feb 10 19:22:02 apeiron kernel: bwn0: unexpected NULL ni Feb 10 19:27:07 apeiron syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel [...] Feb 10 19:27:07 apeiron savecore: reboot after panic: general protection fault Feb 10 19:27:07 apeiron savecore: writing core to vmcore.0 Feb 11 21:39:40 apeiron wpa_supplicant[464]: WPA: Group rekeying completed with 68:7f:74:e9:d6:91 [GTK=TKIP] Feb 11 21:39:47 apeiron kernel: bwn0: device timeout Feb 11 21:44:38 apeiron kernel: bwn0: unexpected NULL ni Feb 11 21:44:38 apeiron kernel: bwn0: unexpected NULL ni Feb 11 21:47:33 apeiron syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel Feb 12 17:23:47 apeiron wpa_supplicant[464]: WPA: Group rekeying completed with 68:7f:74:e9:d6:91 [GTK=TKIP] Feb 12 18:20:32 apeiron kernel: bwn0: device timeout Feb 12 18:22:23 apeiron kernel: bwn0: unexpected NULL ni Feb 12 18:31:49 apeiron syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel Feb 13 17:16:43 apeiron kernel: bwn0: device timeout Feb 13 17:21:39 apeiron kernel: bwn0: unexpected NULL ni Feb 13 17:22:40 apeiron syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel [...] Feb 13 17:22:40 apeiron savecore: reboot after panic: page fault Feb 13 17:22:40 apeiron savecore: writing core to vmcore.1 Feb 14 11:40:49 apeiron wpa_supplicant[464]: WPA: Group rekeying completed with 68:7f:74:e9:d6:91 [GTK=TKIP] Feb 14 12:02:23 apeiron kernel: bwn0: device timeout Feb 14 12:03:52 apeiron kernel: bwn0: unexpected NULL ni Feb 14 12:12:27 apeiron kernel: , 2265. Feb 14 12:13:10 apeiron syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel =================================== As for the panics, they immediately follow two of the messages above, as you can appreciate in the quote. Maybe the following can help (or not!!). In /var/log/messages, the following two lines keep showing: acpi0: reservation of 0, 9f000 (3) failed acpi0: reservation of 100000, 7f56d800 (3) failed Needless to say, this won't discourage me from using FreeBSD on my laptop, but it isn't very pleasant to have these kind of problems while working. Right now, the "workaround" I implemented is to use a Linksys wireless adapter I had sleeping in its box. However, being able to use the Broadcom card would be nice. Any help would be appreciated, if nothing else, to understand what's happening. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 17:25:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6C2106566C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96748FC16 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:25:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so1515019bkc.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.130.129 with SMTP id t1mr12002784bks.42.1329326711399; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm7860619bkw.16.2012.02.15.09.25.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:25:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3BEA73.9060005@my.gd> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:25:07 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter knezel References: <4F314AFB.8080901@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkjHzhMhzfe01j2WPB+4ckF8DyWKSSyNGG5hbhYNGMNreYVMqNGeXG2q5oxhu6NIkkrC292 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: From analysis of a simple ifstated.conf to more compex example X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:25:14 -0000 Sorry about the late reply, didn't see yours. What about enabling CARP preemption to ensure that when a carp interface goes down, the whole set does ? On 2/7/12 9:13 PM, peter knezel wrote: > Hello Damien, > > I did read your example but cannot get idea from it. > For three interfaces you have much more possibilities. > > Imagine you start the server from uuu state which is equal to > net = '( "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp0 > /dev/null" every 3 && "ifconfig -a -u > |grep carp1 > /dev/null" every 3 && "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp2 > /dev/null" > every 3)' > > Now you put down one carp interface - so system is in state : > *state one:* > (duu) || (udu) || (uud) <----which is same as !$net > run script1.sh > go to twoff > > now imagine, you put down any other carp interface: > *state twoff: * > (dud) || (ddu) || (udd) > run script2.sh > go to two > > *state two: * > put all interfaces up > run script3.sh > go to state one > > it means, this is one of the possibilities system can behave (this > situation does not describe all possible states - I have taken this > special example.) > > Now if you want to put up after putting down one carp interface, you > fail since it is in state twoff. > Only of you put down second carp interface it goes to state two and if > you put both up, it will go to state one. > > This is where my ifstated.conf fails to work. > > Kind regards, > > Peter Knezel > > > On 7 February 2012 17:02, Damien Fleuriot > > wrote: > > On 2/7/12 3:36 PM, peter knezel wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I would like to ask somebody to explain me how the ifstated works > according to > > the following configuration file. > > I have three virtual carp interfaces carp0,carp1 and carp2. > > > > I try to understand the following setting: > > The server is in state one (all carp interfaces are up) and if there > > is carp down of any: > > one (carp0 or carp1 or carp2), > > two ([carp0 and carp1] or [carp0 and carp2] or [carp1 and carp2]), > > three interfaces (carp 0 and carp1 and carp2), server > > runs the script testdown.sh and put the server into state two. > > If all carp interfaces are up, the server runs the testup.sh and set > > the state to one. > > > > That is my understanding. > > > > Is it the way the system works? > > Or am I wrong? > > > > === > > init-state one > > > > net = '( "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp0 > /dev/null" every 3 && > "ifconfig -a -u > > |grep carp1 > /dev/null" every 3 && "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp2 > > /dev/null" > > every 3)' > > > > state one { > > if ( ! $net ) { > > run "/usr/local/testdown.sh" > > set-state two > > } > > } > > > > state two { > > if ( $net ) { > > run "/usr/local/testup.sh" > > set-state one > > } > > } > > === > > > > Is there any possibility to define and set ifstated.conf that > reacts when: > > > > any one of the carp interfaces is down - followed by another any > > other carp interface down > > > > > > I tried to define states: > > > > duu ="!carp0.link.up && carp1.link.up && carp2.link.up" > > udu ="carp0.link.up && !carp1.link.up && carp2.link.up" > > uud ="carp0.link.up && carp1.link.up && !carp2.link.up" > > ddu ="!carp0.link.up && !carp1.link.up" > > dud ="!carp0.link.up && !carp2.link.up" > > udd ="!carp1.link.up && !carp2.link.up" > > > > and used them but somehow I cannot incorporate all state changes and > > include it in ifstated.conf. > > > > > Works fine here, did you not have any luck with the file I posted > earlier ? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 17:39:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A67106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from d.s@daniel.shahaf.name) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46B08FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.46]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE1C20B43; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.160]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:19:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= daniel.shahaf.name; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=mesmtp; bh= l61ynR3ybUn7emvoZEEi/0SqzGM=; b=YaM97Q+HEGFbb8IzWN0q2vHGQjIIlj7O eR8OPBwrTLMeV/52P2DIAllxDiBsvFnIRFCPNSRXdKJU2SJ0fk14HbdSuCA8/+m1 miRSfJLxUHdQp1cM5Ad8sNdVZ5k0a7swgQP3uuFFQEZic1mUhEDQ23WKZy5e0k0Y dfliwGjqg9c= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:content-type:in-reply-to; s=smtpout; bh=l61ynR3ybUn7emvoZEEi/0SqzGM=; b=hxDKFlqJW9SDWdZ3A2IZECFx+mi0 plfBX42bMjTdetL2pLoGtLH8v2SKO7HXoWs6dzLk7L0h3OGGYnUZGPc6McdRHyQD MZbrnmFtpvFaFjwTh6Xm88uOgk98S45QELnJNfkN+WT0qx5vP9Fn2kCRU+LUrJ83 ZmJ5dLq5ziOfEgE= X-Sasl-enc: 9qLjdiFJE5ChQ3UnyYJBdjI892XW2K2TTOV5tIhPNkcwPx0fEemhL7GYKcmPjQ 1329326374 Received: from daniel3.local (bzq-79-180-206-85.red.bezeqint.net [79.180.206.85]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4581C8E008B; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:19:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:19:21 +0200 From: Daniel Shahaf To: Joshua Isom Message-ID: <20120215171921.GA14142@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <4F3BD894.1070302@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3BD894.1070302@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: infrastructure-private@apache.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:39:25 -0000 Okay. I tried booting from the 9.0-RELEASE cd into a shell and replacing /boot/zfs/zpool.cache on with the one generated by the CD's kernel. (I did that by running 'zpool import -R -o cachefile=/tmp/...' and then copying zpool.cache over that of the live system, in a manner similar to .) That didn't seem to have any effect: the 9.0-RC2 kernel can still boot, and the 9.0-RELEASE kernel still fails to boot, with the same error. FTR, here are the old/new zpool.cache files: % ls -al /boot/zfs/zp* -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2308 Feb 15 16:43 /boot/zfs/zpool.cache -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2052 Feb 15 16:41 /boot/zfs/zpool.cache.20120215rc2 Re George's suggestion -- I noticed a "Can't re-use a leaf (geom_gpart_gpt)!" error, in case it's relevant. I have also tried running: for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5; do gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 mfid$i done from the RC2 environment. RC2 still boots; the 9.0-RELEASE /boot/testkernel still doesn't. Thanks for the suggestsions. Joshua Isom wrote on Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 10:08:52 -0600: > On 2/14/2012 6:31 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > >One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs root. > > > >It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel > >(self compiled) with a mountfrom error: > > > > http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfrom.png > > mountfrom> zfs:zroot > > Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... > > Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. > > > >We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are > >unchanged. (The zroot fs is at version 4.) > > > >Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? > >What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? > > > >Thanks. > > > > Try booting a fixit CD/USB and mounting the zfs pool. It looks like > your pool is set up like mine. If it mounts, the way zfs mounts > everything, you'll overlay your fixit file system with your zroot. > It'll make it annoying to fix, especially dealing with zpool.cache. > If it mounts, make a copy of the cache file. > > I switched from a zpool with two disks to a zmirror, with a third > disk to help hold data. It wasn't fun, but it can be done. One > problem I had was getting zpool.cache to work properly on reboot. I > had to do the overlay mount, and I think I killed the power to > prevent zfs from removing the file. I'd suspect a zpool.cache > problem. ZFS doesn't think your zroot was mounted so doesn't try to > mount it even though the bootloader finds the kernel. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 17:48:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4721065672 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:48:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielsh@apache.org) Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B722D8FC15 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 35606 invoked by uid 99); 15 Feb 2012 17:48:24 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:48:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO daniel3.local) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username danielsh, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:48:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:48:11 +0200 From: Daniel Shahaf To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120215174811.GA14636@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: "Philip M. Gollucci" , infrastructure-private@apache.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:48:24 -0000 So far we've tried: - 'gpart bootcode -b' - load geom_part_gpt.ko - using zpool.cache from the 9.0-RELEASE CD And none of that seems to have had any effect. Additional info: from the CD environment, 'zpool import' reports an old 'tank' pool on devices mfid[2-5]. (The 'zroot' pool uses mfid[0-5]p3.) Any further ideas, please? Thanks for all the suggestions so far. Daniel Shahaf wrote on Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 02:31:10 +0200: > One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs root. > > It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel > (self compiled) with a mountfrom error: > > http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfrom.png > mountfrom> zfs:zroot > Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... > Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. > > We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are > unchanged. (The zroot fs is at version 4.) > > Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? > What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? > > Thanks. > > [[[ > % uname -a > FreeBSD loki.apache.org 9.0-RC2 FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 #0: Sat Nov 12 18:35:25 UTC 2011 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > % cat /boot/loader.conf > # zfs > zfs_load="YES" > vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot" > > # > ipmi_load="YES" > > # Console for DRAC5 > boot_multicons="YES" > boot_serial="YES" > comconsole_speed="57600" > console="comconsole,vidconsole" > hint.sio.0.flags=0 > hint.sio.1.flags=0x10 > > accf_http_load="YES" > accf_data_load="YES" > % > > ]]] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 17:57:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D411106564A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540D38FC16 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Message-ID: <4F3BF1FD.9000808@intersonic.se> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:57:17 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: File manager for Xfce X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:21 -0000 A long time KDE3 user but now thinking of Xfce instead as KDE4 is not really my way of doing it. One of the things I've found productive in KDE is the Konqerour file manager, is there anything similar available as a separate app to run under Xfce? In particular, it should accept URI's like sftp://, smb:// etcetra and looking at Thunar it does not seem to have this capability? I suppose I could run Konqerour as an app but that would require buiding a lot of KDE3 as well. Suggestions welcome, thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 18:03:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9332106564A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:03:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gkontos.mail@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DEA8FC26 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so2270671iae.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:03:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kiUMZNLm2sNL5WsOhS89t93ngtz38ifjqxTiAxck3zE=; b=MMmYXcCfL8w5RUsnjLFbI5K11DYaQNlTbY96bOIjleLqZuuG9PaXzs54753gGKoZFA l1s1DjeOAHgrQC5MpIvG5qYZ5C4ddHCbSs8JtIf7Qm8xsDQgDo6s0WsZ0KmGOl9rAQS9 XdYanYYLuSGcCavD0n7VCvJ7OIECdXZzzQTl4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.57.234 with SMTP id l10mr43759712igq.12.1329328994277; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.231.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:03:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120215174811.GA14636@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <20120215174811.GA14636@daniel3.local> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:03:14 +0200 Message-ID: From: George Kontostanos To: Daniel Shahaf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "Philip M. Gollucci" , infrastructure-private@apache.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:03:15 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > So far we've tried: > > - 'gpart bootcode -b' > - load geom_part_gpt.ko > - using zpool.cache from the 9.0-RELEASE CD > > And none of that seems to have had any effect. > > Additional info: from the CD environment, 'zpool import' reports an old > 'tank' pool on devices mfid[2-5]. =A0(The 'zroot' pool uses mfid[0-5]p3.) > > Any further ideas, please? > > Thanks for all the suggestions so far. You are running ZFS version 4 while the default is 5 on 9.0-RELEASE ---> Assuming your pool is called zroot --->This is the way to update your zpool.cache: <--- Boot with 9.0-RELEASE and proceed with: #zpool import -o altroot=3D/mnt -o cachefile=3D/var/tmp/zpool.cache zroot #zfs set mountpoint=3D/mnt zroot #zfs set mountpoint=3D/mnt/usr zroot/usr #zfs set mountpoint=3D/mnt/var zroot/var #zfs set mountpoint=3D/mnt/tmp zroot/tmp ## Ignore any warnings## Now export the pool: #zpool export -f zroot Import the pool back and update the zpool.cache: #zpool import -o cachefile=3D/var/tmp/zpool.cache zroot #cp /var/tmp/zpool.cache /mnt/boot/zfs/zpool.cache Make sure that bootfs is set correctly: #zpool set bootfs=3Dzroot zroot Now, unmount any ZFS datasets #zfs umount -af And fix mountpoints: #zfs set mountpoint=3Dlegacy zroot #zfs set mountpoint=3D/tmp zroot/tmp #zfs set mountpoint=3D/usr zroot/usr #zfs set mountpoint=3D/var zroot/var That should be enough to update your zpool.cache If this still doesn't work then you can upgrade your ZFS version to 5. Make sure you have backups first!!! Before unmounting your datasets issue a: zfs upgrade -a --=20 George Kontostanos Aicom telecoms ltd http://www.aisecure.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 18:04:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482DD1065675 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.knezel@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3DF8FC20 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so1880160lag.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:04:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=G2ujVV9GRdPzc1fHbDw288Nf0JCjfeLUmJXGhcQDmlQ=; b=j3y/VDKkyQ1l3vYKt91LHX+n4sdCBhUEk7Rv0WSfnsZZHjrgbmwm9M88pZiuPnnwdx pMmAGhqNbO5yH+CAQ9FogNL696M+44J1r8L3QVhI0CFJWEQMfdBpRuPj8YacMfo37Ktb HfI8WKXTAl9CHliEEhJdBifKQYvnCASlX8opA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.36.103 with SMTP id p7mr9265673lbj.91.1329329096573; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.131.67 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:04:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3BEA73.9060005@my.gd> References: <4F314AFB.8080901@my.gd> <4F3BEA73.9060005@my.gd> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:04:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: peter knezel To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: From analysis of a simple ifstated.conf to more compex example X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:04:58 -0000 Well, I am not fully familiar with CARP, but if the different carp interfaces are used for different purpose (ftp, tftp, scp), is it a good idea to put down all of them, if they are able to serve their purpose? BTW, what is CARP preemption and how is it possible to enable it? Kind regards, Peter On 15 February 2012 18:25, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Sorry about the late reply, didn't see yours. > > What about enabling CARP preemption to ensure that when a carp interface > goes down, the whole set does ? > > > On 2/7/12 9:13 PM, peter knezel wrote: > > Hello Damien, > > > > I did read your example but cannot get idea from it. > > For three interfaces you have much more possibilities. > > > > Imagine you start the server from uuu state which is equal to > > net = '( "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp0 > /dev/null" every 3 && "ifconfig > -a -u > > |grep carp1 > /dev/null" every 3 && "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp2 > > /dev/null" > > every 3)' > > > > Now you put down one carp interface - so system is in state : > > *state one:* > > (duu) || (udu) || (uud) <----which is same as !$net > > run script1.sh > > go to twoff > > > > now imagine, you put down any other carp interface: > > *state twoff: * > > (dud) || (ddu) || (udd) > > run script2.sh > > go to two > > > > *state two: * > > put all interfaces up > > run script3.sh > > go to state one > > > > it means, this is one of the possibilities system can behave (this > > situation does not describe all possible states - I have taken this > > special example.) > > > > Now if you want to put up after putting down one carp interface, you > > fail since it is in state twoff. > > Only of you put down second carp interface it goes to state two and if > > you put both up, it will go to state one. > > > > This is where my ifstated.conf fails to work. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Peter Knezel > > > > > > On 7 February 2012 17:02, Damien Fleuriot > > > wrote: > > > > On 2/7/12 3:36 PM, peter knezel wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I would like to ask somebody to explain me how the ifstated works > > according to > > > the following configuration file. > > > I have three virtual carp interfaces carp0,carp1 and carp2. > > > > > > I try to understand the following setting: > > > The server is in state one (all carp interfaces are up) and if > there > > > is carp down of any: > > > one (carp0 or carp1 or carp2), > > > two ([carp0 and carp1] or [carp0 and carp2] or [carp1 and carp2]), > > > three interfaces (carp 0 and carp1 and carp2), server > > > runs the script testdown.sh and put the server into state two. > > > If all carp interfaces are up, the server runs the testup.sh and > set > > > the state to one. > > > > > > > That is my understanding. > > > > > > > Is it the way the system works? > > > Or am I wrong? > > > > > > === > > > init-state one > > > > > > net = '( "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp0 > /dev/null" every 3 && > > "ifconfig -a -u > > > |grep carp1 > /dev/null" every 3 && "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp2 > > > /dev/null" > > > every 3)' > > > > > > state one { > > > if ( ! $net ) { > > > run "/usr/local/testdown.sh" > > > set-state two > > > } > > > } > > > > > > state two { > > > if ( $net ) { > > > run "/usr/local/testup.sh" > > > set-state one > > > } > > > } > > > === > > > > > > Is there any possibility to define and set ifstated.conf that > > reacts when: > > > > > > any one of the carp interfaces is down - followed by another any > > > other carp interface down > > > > > > > > > I tried to define states: > > > > > > duu ="!carp0.link.up && carp1.link.up && carp2.link.up" > > > udu ="carp0.link.up && !carp1.link.up && carp2.link.up" > > > uud ="carp0.link.up && carp1.link.up && !carp2.link.up" > > > ddu ="!carp0.link.up && !carp1.link.up" > > > dud ="!carp0.link.up && !carp2.link.up" > > > udd ="!carp1.link.up && !carp2.link.up" > > > > > > and used them but somehow I cannot incorporate all state changes > and > > > include it in ifstated.conf. > > > > > > > > > Works fine here, did you not have any luck with the file I posted > > earlier ? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > > " > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 18:06:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E566F1065672 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielsh@apache.org) Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A288D8FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 82041 invoked by uid 99); 15 Feb 2012 18:06:53 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:06:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO daniel3.local) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username danielsh, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:06:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:06:35 +0200 From: Daniel Shahaf To: fs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120215180635.GA15435@daniel3.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:11:27 +0000 Cc: "Philip M. Gollucci" , infrastructure-private@apache.org Subject: Fwd: [Daniel Shahaf: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:06:54 -0000 Forwarding to fs@ per a colleague's suggestion. tldr: amd64 host running 9.0-RC2 with zfs root won't boot 9.0-RELEASE's self-compiled GENERIC kernel, hanging at mountfrom>. Details below. The previous thread is here: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.questions/285708 Thanks. ----- Forwarded message from Daniel Shahaf ----- > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:48:11 +0200 > From: Daniel Shahaf > To: questions@freebsd.org > Cc: "Philip M. Gollucci" , > infrastructure-private@apache.org > Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade > Message-ID: <20120215174811.GA14636@daniel3.local> > > So far we've tried: > > - 'gpart bootcode -b' > - load geom_part_gpt.ko > - using zpool.cache from the 9.0-RELEASE CD > > And none of that seems to have had any effect. > > Additional info: from the CD environment, 'zpool import' reports an old > 'tank' pool on devices mfid[2-5]. (The 'zroot' pool uses mfid[0-5]p3.) > > Any further ideas, please? > > Thanks for all the suggestions so far. > > > Daniel Shahaf wrote on Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 02:31:10 +0200: > > One of our amd64 servers runs 9.0-RC2 (releng/9.0@r228325) with a zfs root. > > > > It fails to boot the 9.0-RELEASE (releng/9.0@r229305) GENERIC kernel > > (self compiled) with a mountfrom error: > > > > http://people.apache.org/~danielsh/infra/loki-20120215-mountfrom.png > > mountfrom> zfs:zroot > > Trying to mount root from zfs:zroot []... > > Mounting from zfs:zroot failed with error 2. > > > > We've tried to upgrade the zpool format 15->28; the symptoms are > > unchanged. (The zroot fs is at version 4.) > > > > Why does 9.0-RC2 boot while 9.0-RELEASE (as /boot/testkernel) doesn't? > > What can do to boot 9.0-RELEASE from our zfs root filesystem? > > > > Thanks. > > > > [[[ > > % uname -a > > FreeBSD loki.apache.org 9.0-RC2 FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 #0: Sat Nov 12 18:35:25 UTC 2011 root@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > % cat /boot/loader.conf > > # zfs > > zfs_load="YES" > > vfs.root.mountfrom="zfs:zroot" > > > > # > > ipmi_load="YES" > > > > # Console for DRAC5 > > boot_multicons="YES" > > boot_serial="YES" > > comconsole_speed="57600" > > console="comconsole,vidconsole" > > hint.sio.0.flags=0 > > hint.sio.1.flags=0x10 > > > > accf_http_load="YES" > > accf_data_load="YES" > > % > > > > ]]] > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ----- End forwarded message ----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 18:54:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C752106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9028FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so1124199wib.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:54:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=21DHCyC27Kg1Z3P7cw5PFX3C2c26cXlOaSrxw5Ca2lM=; b=LPQgjsaWobTj6ZkAKhbfT5JKurtvt9EYPscD/jSdbWKq22G4k/HvIIrxFlZQb+OSQv ZAoGWyoQtJtCm/Kpw/xJd/oR+KHxWTV6/pTvAQA+VyHG0NyA5razdNCXVTZQR9CLmTS2 jupVYND1GTELO0cddlegeJhPl7F8RaD4t/uGc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.131.131 with SMTP id m3mr3101068wei.47.1329332056251; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.235.139 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.235.139 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:54:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3BF1FD.9000808@intersonic.se> References: <4F3BF1FD.9000808@intersonic.se> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: Per olof Ljungmark Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File manager for Xfce X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:54:17 -0000 On Feb 15, 2012 9:58 AM, "Per olof Ljungmark" wrote: > > A long time KDE3 user but now thinking of Xfce instead as KDE4 is not > really my way of doing it. > > One of the things I've found productive in KDE is the Konqerour file > manager, is there anything similar available as a separate app to run > under Xfce? > > In particular, it should accept URI's like sftp://, smb:// etcetra and > looking at Thunar it does not seem to have this capability? > > I suppose I could run Konqerour as an app but that would require buiding > a lot of KDE3 as well. > > Suggestions welcome, thanks! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" hi, I like xfce4, compact and fast on my netbook. I haven't had issues on FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT. Thunar is good, have not tried using smb:// etc but I will see what happens and let you know. The WebKit based browser in the project is pretty good too. If you are running FreeBSD on a desktop you might want more apps and features that come with KDE or Gnome. Check out the xfce.org site to see what you get ;-) Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 19:08:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6AF106564A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:08:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6F28FC13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:08:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Message-ID: <4F3C02BC.4040206@intersonic.se> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:08:44 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Waitman Gobble References: <4F3BF1FD.9000808@intersonic.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File manager for Xfce X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:08:51 -0000 On 02/15/12 19:54, Waitman Gobble wrote: > > On Feb 15, 2012 9:58 AM, "Per olof Ljungmark" > wrote: >> >> A long time KDE3 user but now thinking of Xfce instead as KDE4 is not >> really my way of doing it. >> >> One of the things I've found productive in KDE is the Konqerour file >> manager, is there anything similar available as a separate app to run >> under Xfce? >> >> In particular, it should accept URI's like sftp://, smb:// etcetra and >> looking at Thunar it does not seem to have this capability? >> >> I suppose I could run Konqerour as an app but that would require buiding >> a lot of KDE3 as well. >> >> Suggestions welcome, thanks! >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > hi, > > I like xfce4, compact and fast on my netbook. I haven't had issues on > FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT. Thunar is good, have not tried using smb:// etc > but I will see what happens and let you know. The WebKit based browser > in the project is pretty good too. If you are running FreeBSD on a > desktop you might want more apps and features that come with KDE or Gnome. > > Check out the xfce.org site to see what you get ;-) > > Waitman Gobble > San Jose California USA > Hmmm, looking at the Xfce website it looks as perhaps problem solved: "Thunar now has optional support for GVFS which will allow you to browse remote shares using Thunar: FTP, Windows Shares, WebDav and SSH servers..." If this works all is fine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 20:09:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1468A106567F for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:09:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46938FC13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so1062892yhf.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:08:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5EaV7KwA1KTB9wWYR5CVamy9FwO/+uVq4xW2XpD2h4M=; b=Wb8BKm/Gx5sM1EJXWReNHWXy8ja5uBMBcUteeDQKupYDm1fQMO0e9Y2gq03KBB+8IB qucdNQQa63qifJdqvn3kBy9xVkKKdf/h5HgB+8YLJn3bGjEzuPil5A+C7Pt+UcdcASKq 5KajybpLEn8zO861JQUKk7pCHi9sTI4lxeDuo= Received: by 10.50.196.167 with SMTP id in7mr14204659igc.9.1329336539032; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-98-212-197-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.197.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6sm6109351igj.7.2012.02.15.12.08.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:08:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3C10CD.3040209@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:08:45 -0600 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <20120215174811.GA14636@daniel3.local> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:09:00 -0000 On 2/15/2012 12:03 PM, George Kontostanos wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: >> So far we've tried: >> >> - 'gpart bootcode -b' >> - load geom_part_gpt.ko >> - using zpool.cache from the 9.0-RELEASE CD >> >> And none of that seems to have had any effect. >> >> Additional info: from the CD environment, 'zpool import' reports an old >> 'tank' pool on devices mfid[2-5]. (The 'zroot' pool uses mfid[0-5]p3.) >> >> Any further ideas, please? >> >> Thanks for all the suggestions so far. > > You are running ZFS version 4 while the default is 5 on 9.0-RELEASE > > ---> Assuming your pool is called zroot > --->This is the way to update your zpool.cache:<--- > > Boot with 9.0-RELEASE and proceed with: > > #zpool import -o altroot=/mnt -o cachefile=/var/tmp/zpool.cache zroot > > #zfs set mountpoint=/mnt zroot > #zfs set mountpoint=/mnt/usr zroot/usr > #zfs set mountpoint=/mnt/var zroot/var > #zfs set mountpoint=/mnt/tmp zroot/tmp > > ## Ignore any warnings## > > Now export the pool: > > #zpool export -f zroot > > Import the pool back and update the zpool.cache: > > #zpool import -o cachefile=/var/tmp/zpool.cache zroot > #cp /var/tmp/zpool.cache /mnt/boot/zfs/zpool.cache > > Make sure that bootfs is set correctly: > > #zpool set bootfs=zroot zroot > > Now, unmount any ZFS datasets > > #zfs umount -af > > And fix mountpoints: > > #zfs set mountpoint=legacy zroot > #zfs set mountpoint=/tmp zroot/tmp > #zfs set mountpoint=/usr zroot/usr > #zfs set mountpoint=/var zroot/var > > That should be enough to update your zpool.cache > > If this still doesn't work then you can upgrade your ZFS version to 5. > > Make sure you have backups first!!! > > Before unmounting your datasets issue a: > > zfs upgrade -a > I remember doing something similar. It took me a few hours to figure everything out and repeated reboots to attempt to get it working. I believe what worked for me wasn't mounting it in /mnt, but actually mounting on / and making sure the cache file was in the zfs pool. I think I had to make a copy because zfs wanted to export the pool before shutdown which defeated the point. It was almost a year ago that I dealt with it. I'm 90% sure it's a cache file issue, and it's just getting it working properly. Note: I've never had a problem when upgrading from /usr/src, it was only when I was moving datasets to different drives, adding hard drives, and redoing my hard drive arrangement. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 21:26:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5771065672 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70E7D8FC1B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.44.102] by nm27.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2012 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.86] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2012 21:13:18 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2012 21:13:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 243801.66677.bm@omp1023.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 44088 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2012 21:13:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PBFbf5AqLVZmG2pW4UO7aT0i5Bc7h5NdFKvciDd5CP4HV085cvuSREwEjTRdstkv/6fNI2ax3Ez0J0oPWrFzWwc6TUNPyHkXMGWtIs/YLL54UjX36o83qMzjZvshj9TqzVuve07/QKBXAq+rES5SzTR11LWdUX+Bju/bnZBh8NQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1329340397; bh=2jIWxbNBRnuejAibuZx7PisukfbQFU7JnkeTmP5OLsU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qEcQLXsPqGfPqyonGMKXuPHo2Prbe+jaTq/3Azi0eSQUv8HdQusWvd/jZxt+/6tnI9ROZ1FvPZAmSl9teXbZUq7XUkKaEet5tyrrnk+avCzI+0w587cT92EQgzlGy6pq1sy2eJdkhEU5GDCeUQsp+5VsDTy4UonpAIamca8d0P0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZqhEtQIVM1n3XxbpiDd9WI3Vvhp1y6.KZ0.9cPd4NzwAmSS s1OIjiJBTFUUJcmLl6vl6Twla1KJ5sNW2kaJIRiLhIpRh6YNWLDOXtkzDiZF 1JZ3taLBua2u1fg4tRcXjl9g0uNnv1CYflz3Nq_BBMuui8D747HAlNnjhImm m_SbPkQhlakHvci1fwqoZFvmlJPNYqxQSxcph6FxowQvqekmGhRIiZDX4eYV kH5peMnm7pALjJEkfHJyP_GA8DaNzjDcc9bCKk7U4LFSXtJxPTFCxDPSHQBw FvGQCAkm1OSza0CXOOYV_uvGd9OjfDQmLJlxx996EbSbnuI1Ai26elPT3F.0 QU6.1EDrLhdgU.qLolnkoUWgJMMaTFeTWZ1XBCpjxg14Y3gB67lkoUOoHJud NvyBeSNw2m7XZnOULQ6M.iUlNB8PMbb1r4OnqRl9Z6yfK X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- Received: from europa (mike.jeays@99.224.68.20 with login) by smtp102.rog.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2012 13:13:17 -0800 PST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:13:16 -0500 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120215161316.3adafd58@europa> In-Reply-To: <4F3C0E66.5010607@bananmonarki.se> References: <4F3BF1FD.9000808@intersonic.se> <4F3C0E66.5010607@bananmonarki.se> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.24.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: File manager for Xfce X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:26:07 -0000 On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:58:30 +0100 Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2012-02-15 18:57, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > > A long time KDE3 user but now thinking of Xfce instead as KDE4 is not > > really my way of doing it. > > > > One of the things I've found productive in KDE is the Konqerour file > > manager, is there anything similar available as a separate app to run > > under Xfce? > > > > In particular, it should accept URI's like sftp://, smb:// etcetra and > > looking at Thunar it does not seem to have this capability? > > > > I suppose I could run Konqerour as an app but that would require buiding > > a lot of KDE3 as well. > > > > Suggestions welcome, thanks! > > > cd /usr/ports/x11-fm/xfe && make rmconfig && make install clean > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I use and really like XFE, but I can't get it to open smb and ftp sites. Have I missed something? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 21:44:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD47106566B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:44:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fritz-bounce@frell.theremailer.net) Received: from frell.theremailer.net (unknown [IPv6:2002:55b1:fa48:9:a41c:73e5:e42b:e33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4298FC1B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:44:11 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=frell.theremailer.net; s=remailer; h=Date:Message-ID:Subject:Comments:From; bh=wBHaQgKzW7Q6U3/9gNAY8Zb/EUrr3Dg+KKSkMBugcQ4=; b=ATxXBGqfjQ0r9xuL+s6fZpVQcsQ6j6doPB73R3LF1PREroiO1l3ToUuGdiXRBChtKb+x2pmYfUHE8Ak8w7M9wmZm3M9A3IsIEw3J9YQ5XydRYU+GbY7dwJVpry4eO6Anyr8rkkVvlF7lTV/ofNXRU1qVumeF1ZM0e4pho8mjoOSiKuy1cws0Zg5WdCmI+ZO/MYjVGHsHR8j5SRBHyIPqse7FFjzB0y3NgS8EHTJbgGgGlqV7J61Lu9DzCBiNTjqr1p5cZq41ufAOMi82aL8l+mRf5fR3lGaSoqwzaQq8oSUscSiDi70oQWGuGS/jDgbEASy3LSB6yPu2Zrx+qK4jx5M=; Received: by frell.theremailer.net with local (Exim) id 1Rxmbw-0002iy-9t for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org envelope-sender fritz-bounce@frell.theremailer.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:42:00 +0100 From: Fritz Wuehler Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . Identifying the real sender is technically impossible. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4F3BF1FD.9000808@intersonic.se> Message-ID: <943d7ac9f999af8aaddc023111047a6e@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> Precedence: anon Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:42:00 +0100 Subject: Re: File manager for Xfce X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:44:12 -0000 > A long time KDE3 user but now thinking of Xfce instead as KDE4 is not > really my way of doing it. I prefer Fluxbox and have since I found it. Xfce is rather heavy these days, not surprised you're considering it as a replacement to KDE. But Xfce breaks rather badly at times, I no longer trust it. > One of the things I've found productive in KDE is the Konqerour file > manager, is there anything similar available as a separate app to run > under Xfce? Hmmm not sure about that since I haven't used KDE in ages but have a look at ROX-Filer it is just super. I always install it on all my Linux and BSD desktop machines. > In particular, it should accept URI's like sftp://, smb:// etcetra and > looking at Thunar it does not seem to have this capability? tsk tsk oh well if you need that sort of thing I'm not sure ROX will work for you. for file management it's super, beyond that the filer doesn't go. Not sure if some of the other ROX bits would work as I haven't used them. > I suppose I could run Konqerour as an app but that would require buiding > a lot of KDE3 as well. Yes that's the problem with package management. The installation bloat can be significant if you want something and only that thing whilst the port dev decided the entire world was a prereq.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 20:43:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F781065672 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from silverskymusic2@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18958FC12 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so1775512bkc.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:43:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mTh9MCdWE6DoDzkfsrUfUTQMehS8xn4ScMD+fRkB+6w=; b=tYGUoNp7KEYHQZ/IRL+NcNmtQamvicDsJwfjJNparMSgHq7kfe9NAwtB8TV+sJPQX2 nwb9218lc1y8/4xnO0CICy6LGs3ZlPxB5OKQMee1HL63B7nxRENr4XURR8iNpffiyAmC jFriV52eW3o6OocH3N+krofidbmW2DvTQhYlU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.129.4 with SMTP id m4mr11999406bks.80.1329336843359; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.76.65 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:14:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:14:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chip Oakley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:55:17 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:43:29 -0000 Hello, I am upgrading to BSD from windows. I am having complications with an old password from Windows that I cannot remember. I created an ISO Boot CD on another computer and installed it and made sure to set the BIOS to boot from CD, to no avail. Is there a way to access the executable files from the CD and overwrite windows for my BSD installation? Regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 22:41:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD9A1065673 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsdlisten@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6648FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekb47 with SMTP id b47so623396eek.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:41:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=47atRQf/8232NV37xDHqg9NjEJ4jynHAS07h+OAwET8=; b=fyM9Iea4hDYzcAY3cHkfbgHTkxk70OTM/koi/Qj950hIpDLtVPai3tR3Uq/2MRHG7h Tvwp9oHeq5mAYe0VuZ6Rs7huAPQ5RTDIAirHDph1oiiXKzX64u9mOSIMVQHsCFlj91rS iTDg4mvXVgBIVfAn5i9sI6lM5it/qdi9EbZZw= Received: by 10.14.52.17 with SMTP id d17mr10306eec.56.1329345699726; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([89.47.83.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w60sm15990492eeb.4.2012.02.15.14.41.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:41:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3C34A0.9020701@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:41:36 +0200 From: Rares Aioanei User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111114 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per olof Ljungmark References: <4F3BF1FD.9000808@intersonic.se> In-Reply-To: <4F3BF1FD.9000808@intersonic.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File manager for Xfce X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:41:42 -0000 On 02/15/2012 07:57 PM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > A long time KDE3 user but now thinking of Xfce instead as KDE4 is not > really my way of doing it. > > One of the things I've found productive in KDE is the Konqerour file > manager, is there anything similar available as a separate app to run > under Xfce? > > In particular, it should accept URI's like sftp://, smb:// etcetra and > looking at Thunar it does not seem to have this capability? > > I suppose I could run Konqerour as an app but that would require buiding > a lot of KDE3 as well. > > Suggestions welcome, thanks! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > If you were used to the KDE way, why not try dolphin? -- Rares Aioanei From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 22:57:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795ED10656B0 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:57:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo201.cox.net (eastrmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.216]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E4A8FC23 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120215225745.QRML5450.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net> for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:45 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.84.176]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id aNxk1i00A3oG0Ji02Nxkkp; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:44 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4F3C3868.0169,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=yxEisznaxFPhQ7pnXeFlOsEjQVLLcI39+RlYOdxZuN8= c=1 sm=1 a=NIhQ3bAqLT8A:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qwmwShWo9LG1Fa0ONy89vg==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=eYqvll_epfebJZ2ezvgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=qwmwShWo9LG1Fa0ONy89vg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1FMvhZv092068 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:57:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:57:38 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: How to prevent gam_server from running? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:57:51 -0000 Lately, I've been hovering hither and thither when it comes to which desktop environment I choose when logging in, but several of them seem to insist on starting gam_server, which is just a real CPU hog, and once this thing is started, there's no stopping it. I've looked and looked and still can't figure out how to disable it. I can't even figure out where exactly it's being started from. Whether it's GNOME or XFCE or what-have-you, at login, some add-on tool somewhere is launching this thing, and I just plain don't want it! :-) Any clues, anyone? I'm really worn out from trying to solve this one. Thanks! -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 23:11:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA75E1065670 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelgrunewald@yahoo.fr) Received: from cc-smtpout3.netcologne.de (cc-smtpout3.netcologne.de [IPv6:2001:4dd0:100:1062:25:2:0:3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763008FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cc-smtpin2.netcologne.de (cc-smtpin2.netcologne.de [89.1.8.202]) by cc-smtpout3.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E35128A6 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:11:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from llea.celt.neu (xdsl-78-35-54-144.netcologne.de [78.35.54.144]) by cc-smtpin2.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4284B11D49 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:11:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F3C3B9C.9030300@yahoo.fr> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:11:24 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Michael_Gr=FCnewald?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20111228 Firefox/9.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: DRI for Radeon HD5450 on FreeBSD 9.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:11:25 -0000 Dear list, I own a radeon HD5450 and I would like to know how well it is supported by freeBSD 9, in partocular DRI and 3D accelaeration. I have a fresh 9.0/amd64 on my machine and Xorg fails to initialise the DRI. It says (from Xorg-0.log): (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/local/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so (II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0 (II) RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 338 x 270 As the last line of the snippet displays it, I use radeon(4x) as driver. I used the page http://people.freebsd.org/~anholt/dri/troubleshooting.html to try to diagnose the problem and it seems that none of the driver agp radeondrm and drm is able to initaialize correctly. Can you enable DRI for HD5450 on FreeBSD 9.0 ? Do you have some useful documentation to show me? In any of these cases, I would say ``thanks!'' -- Best regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 23:23:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CB2106564A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve.bertrand@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A05C8FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so2694868iae.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:23:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PWCOl93V29TijRKJzEZZgBr7gSEfQkxedfW7fLNsPZA=; b=XjhqwthHdudFXYAhQiovBH0+9GWEJ+K2f1Q2G6IUQiCE4SuTS3fMzutM0wfC847qB1 OmotQopx2ZFuNM32pZH5N9X0ugUQoKTBR++3Gf9gcOssm0K0EeN9h/0xfFT8Cfj3ium0 wsV3b0GWSoZUsDsSQT+Z23SsGTt7YJDxWswwg= Received: by 10.50.179.6 with SMTP id dc6mr213858igc.15.1329348205858; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (dyn-dsl-to-76-75-117-172.nexicom.net. [76.75.117.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wn7sm63705igc.0.2012.02.15.15.23.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:23:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3C3E69.2090801@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:23:21 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" References: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How to prevent gam_server from running? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:23:26 -0000 On 2012.02.15 17:57, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Lately, I've been hovering hither and thither when it comes to which > desktop environment I choose when logging in, but several of them seem > to insist on starting gam_server, which is just a real CPU hog, and > once this thing is started, there's no stopping it. > > I've looked and looked and still can't figure out how to disable it. I > can't even figure out where exactly it's being started from. Whether > it's GNOME or XFCE or what-have-you, at login, some add-on tool > somewhere is launching this thing, and I just plain don't want it! :-) > > Any clues, anyone? I'm really worn out from trying to solve this one. Is there anything in /etc/rc.conf relating to this server? Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 23:46:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF2E1065670 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:46:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EECA8FC14 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B0A5C28 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:00:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 269335C22 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:00:13 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3C42CB.1040502@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:42:03 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3BF1FD.9000808@intersonic.se> <4F3C34A0.9020701@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3C34A0.9020701@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: File manager for Xfce X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:46:48 -0000 On 02/16/12 08:41, Rares Aioanei wrote: > On 02/15/2012 07:57 PM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: >> A long time KDE3 user but now thinking of Xfce instead as KDE4 is not >> really my way of doing it. >> >> One of the things I've found productive in KDE is the Konqerour file >> manager, is there anything similar available as a separate app to run >> under Xfce? >> >> In particular, it should accept URI's like sftp://, smb:// etcetra and >> looking at Thunar it does not seem to have this capability? >> >> I suppose I could run Konqerour as an app but that would require buiding >> a lot of KDE3 as well. >> >> Suggestions welcome, thanks! > If you were used to the KDE way, why not try dolphin? Dolphin is a bit bloated but could *possibly* be workable. It hasn't always worked for me. Anything using GVFS is a real problem and won't do the other special tasks you want it to do. The GIO transition is killing all the fun. Not sure when or whether it will return, but it is a real buzz kill on the net. Alternatively, you could use fuse with a bit of scripting and any lightweight filemanager. Maybe automounter or amd? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 15 23:52:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C836106567E for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rocky@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68DF8FC12 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDB75C28; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:05:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D1C85C22; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:05:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3C4417.2050000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:47:35 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip Oakley References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:52:21 -0000 On 02/16/12 06:14, Chip Oakley wrote: > Hello, > > I am upgrading to BSD from windows. > > I am having complications with an old password from Windows that I cannot > remember. > > I created an ISO Boot CD on another computer and installed it and made sure > to set the BIOS to boot from CD, to no avail. > > Is there a way to access the executable files from the CD and overwrite > windows for my BSD installation? Welcome to FreeBSD! FreeBSD and Windows are completely incompatible, I'm afraid. Can you boot from usb? You can download a memstick img from the same place you got your cd iso. More cost effective too - no old releases floating around for years; you just reuse the same old memstick! ;) If you try a memstick, make sure its big enough. Most of the smallest usb sticks you can buy are about 4G anyway, so it will work. You need about 1.5G. And I believe you can use SD or other memory cards as well. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 00:07:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23B81065674 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F138FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G07AkX037956; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q1G07Ar5037953; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:07:10 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4F3C4417.2050000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Message-ID: References: <4F3C4417.2050000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:07:10 -0700 (MST) Cc: Chip Oakley Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:07:11 -0000 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Da Rock wrote: > If you try a memstick, make sure its big enough. Most of the smallest usb > sticks you can buy are about 4G anyway, so it will work. You need about 1.5G. > And I believe you can use SD or other memory cards as well. The 9.0-RELEASE memstick is less than 654M, and I believe all are made to fit in 1G. The DVD image is larger, 2.2G. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 00:13:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6C51065676 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from troy@twisted.net) Received: from oz.twisted.net (oz.twisted.net [69.211.34.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB8F8FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oz.twisted.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oz.twisted.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F6B107C653 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:43 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at example.com Received: from oz.twisted.net ([127.0.0.1]) by oz.twisted.net (oz.twisted.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iv4x6rR-BtLr for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from [172.16.0.5] (sindrome.twisted.net [172.16.0.5]) by oz.twisted.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E384107C642 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:57:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4F3C45FD.4090903@twisted.net> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:55:41 -0600 From: Troy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120202 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Please manually remove me from this mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: troy@twisted.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:13:50 -0000 I have tried to get off this mailing list. I have received the confirmation saying it was successful and mail still comes. I have two aliases - and I removed both just to be sure. One is sindrome@twisted.net an the other troy@twisted.net -- someone will have to manually remove me Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 00:14:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378A610656AA for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:14:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15668FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536C95C28 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:28:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB2E45C22 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:28:06 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3C4955.9080609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:09:57 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3C4417.2050000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:14:43 -0000 On 02/16/12 10:07, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Da Rock wrote: > >> If you try a memstick, make sure its big enough. Most of the smallest >> usb sticks you can buy are about 4G anyway, so it will work. You need >> about 1.5G. And I believe you can use SD or other memory cards as well. > > The 9.0-RELEASE memstick is less than 654M, and I believe all are made > to fit in 1G. The DVD image is larger, 2.2G. Didn't fit on 1G when I tried, but maybe that was just RC3. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 00:19:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12D6106566C for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992EC8FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120216001950.UTVG18532.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net>; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:19:50 -0500 Received: from serene.no-ip.org ([98.164.84.176]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with bizsmtp id aQKo1i00l3oG0Ji02QKpFl; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:19:49 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4F3C4BA5.015C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=yxEisznaxFPhQ7pnXeFlOsEjQVLLcI39+RlYOdxZuN8= c=1 sm=1 a=vQzwCyMVRIUA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=qwmwShWo9LG1Fa0ONy89vg==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=YGuVtHK0Wsp4crdVUmkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=qwmwShWo9LG1Fa0ONy89vg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by serene.no-ip.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G0Jm05093235; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:19:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:19:43 -0600 From: "Conrad J. Sabatier" To: Steve Bertrand Message-ID: <20120215181943.1d5ebac0@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4F3C3E69.2090801@gmail.com> References: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> <4F3C3E69.2090801@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to prevent gam_server from running? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:19:56 -0000 On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:23:21 -0500 Steve Bertrand wrote: > On 2012.02.15 17:57, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > > Lately, I've been hovering hither and thither when it comes to which > > desktop environment I choose when logging in, but several of them > > seem to insist on starting gam_server, which is just a real CPU > > hog, and once this thing is started, there's no stopping it. > > > > I've looked and looked and still can't figure out how to disable > > it. I can't even figure out where exactly it's being started > > from. Whether it's GNOME or XFCE or what-have-you, at login, some > > add-on tool somewhere is launching this thing, and I just plain > > don't want it! :-) > > > > Any clues, anyone? I'm really worn out from trying to solve this > > one. > > Is there anything in /etc/rc.conf relating to this server? > > Steve Well, naturally, that was the first place I checked, along with probing /usr/local/etc, but no, I don't see any signs of anything anywhere that could be causing this thing to run. Nothing helpful in the package's plist, either. Undoubtedly, one of its REQUIRED_BYs is responsible, but none of them are making it easy to track down. It's really quite maddening. This thing is a persistent little bugger, I tell ya. I've tried manually killing it repeatedly, using various signals, and it just keeps resurrecting itself immediately, sometimes in even higher numbers, like some evil being in a horror movie. Kill one, and two or more spring up in its place. It's *evil*, I tell ya! :-) Well, where there's a will, there's a way. I'll get to the bottom of this eventually. I would just uninstall it, but then it will most likely be automatically reinstalled, too, when I upgrade something that depends on it. As Caiaphas sang in his menacing basso voice in "Jesus Christ Superstar", "We need a more permanent solution to our problem". :-) -- Conrad J. Sabatier conrads@cox.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 00:20:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E901065674 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:20:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DEA8FC1B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G0KOD6038161; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:20:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q1G0KOPQ038158; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:20:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:20:24 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" In-Reply-To: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> Message-ID: References: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:20:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to prevent gam_server from running? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:20:27 -0000 On Wed, 15 Feb 2012, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Lately, I've been hovering hither and thither when it comes to which > desktop environment I choose when logging in, but several of them seem > to insist on starting gam_server, which is just a real CPU hog, and > once this thing is started, there's no stopping it. > > I've looked and looked and still can't figure out how to disable it. I > can't even figure out where exactly it's being started from. Whether > it's GNOME or XFCE or what-have-you, at login, some add-on tool > somewhere is launching this thing, and I just plain don't want it! :-) > > Any clues, anyone? I'm really worn out from trying to solve this one. It's some hidden gnome thing. No real idea how to disable it, maybe gconf. It's responsible for monitoring file changes, so does have some usefulness. Might be better to figure out why it's tying up the CPU. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 00:26:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7074106566B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve.bertrand@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBF38FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so2774339iae.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:26:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MU0yiLqi6/H0pCCoXpT9Zq3D/ePe7lKXg6hjhL3VG9A=; b=wb/sR3+qZ4dUWIvbA+Ibc5Np1VJM8j5Rzh3PPHOQosbG5hD1WtIUyXcW+KYEzCuoqf il91D5omm/mG173hz5wh6GS3XHhU6FIXKizMaC0eD3dGWLQRwqRhoQHKF6qppiiyUuAz 8NAPqu70CeUA25Uf0J6wgZRPXM8PQneVsNrag= Received: by 10.50.15.129 with SMTP id x1mr15214813igc.14.1329351989119; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (dyn-dsl-to-76-75-117-172.nexicom.net. [76.75.117.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d15sm8676690ibf.7.2012.02.15.16.26.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:26:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3C4D30.8020004@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:26:24 -0500 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" References: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> <4F3C3E69.2090801@gmail.com> <20120215181943.1d5ebac0@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20120215181943.1d5ebac0@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to prevent gam_server from running? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:26:30 -0000 On 2012.02.15 19:19, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:23:21 -0500 > Steve Bertrand wrote: > >> On 2012.02.15 17:57, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: >>> Lately, I've been hovering hither and thither when it comes to which >>> desktop environment I choose when logging in, but several of them >>> seem to insist on starting gam_server, which is just a real CPU >>> hog, and once this thing is started, there's no stopping it. >>> >>> I've looked and looked and still can't figure out how to disable >>> it. I can't even figure out where exactly it's being started >>> from. Whether it's GNOME or XFCE or what-have-you, at login, some >>> add-on tool somewhere is launching this thing, and I just plain >>> don't want it! :-) >>> >>> Any clues, anyone? I'm really worn out from trying to solve this >>> one. >> >> Is there anything in /etc/rc.conf relating to this server? > Well, naturally, that was the first place I checked, along with > probing /usr/local/etc, but no, I don't see any signs of anything > anywhere that could be causing this thing to run. Nothing helpful > in the package's plist, either. Undoubtedly, one of its REQUIRED_BYs > is responsible, but none of them are making it easy to track down. > It's really quite maddening. > > This thing is a persistent little bugger, I tell ya. I've tried > manually killing it repeatedly, using various signals, and it just > keeps resurrecting itself immediately, sometimes in even higher > numbers, like some evil being in a horror movie. Kill one, and two > or more spring up in its place. It's *evil*, I tell ya! :-) > > Well, where there's a will, there's a way. I'll get to the bottom of > this eventually. I would just uninstall it, but then it will most > likely be automatically reinstalled, too, when I upgrade something that > depends on it. As Caiaphas sang in his menacing basso voice in "Jesus > Christ Superstar", "We need a more permanent solution to our problem". > :-) > lol :) I figured you've checked there, but one never knows. I've never heard such of a rogue problem on FBSD before. Do you see anything odd if you run lsof? Won't say what started it, but it may give hints. Also, perhaps you could display to the list what you are starting willingly to see if someone can identify a potential problem. Steve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 01:49:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C64A106566B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3D68FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q1G1sMpc043081 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:54:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:54:22 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:49:37 -0000 Chip Oakley wrote: > > Hello, > > I am upgrading to BSD from windows. > > I am having complications with an old password from Windows that I cannot > remember. > > I created an ISO Boot CD on another computer and installed it and made sure > to set the BIOS to boot from CD, to no avail. There are at least two possibilities to explain 'to no avail' -- which utterly fails to describe what actually happened. 1) the CD you made -- by unspecified means -- is not actually bootable, and the BIOS proceeds to the 'next' available boot device (the hard-disk) and boots Windows -- which wants the password you hve forgotten. 2) there is a *BIOS* password that you must supply before being able to boot _anything_ > Is there a way to access the executable files from the CD and overwrite > windows for my BSD installation? "Probably". _IF_ the CD is 'bootable'. _IF_ the CD does not have read errors in the boot code. _IF_ the CD _drive_ is working properly, and is properly aligned. _IF_ the machine will boot from CD. _IF_ the machine BIOS is set to try to boot from the CD before other devices. You claim to have made a CD on nother machine. Will _that_ machine boot from the CD you made? If not, you made the CD incorrectly. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 02:42:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46703106564A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:42:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152FE8FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcwo16 with SMTP id wo16so3057580obc.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:42:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Glq7aJeE9Pt5mTn/gj1Cb2yHvmWrSUPEfhBfzXU9Tew=; b=UN6/8EvvQm4Bug1L9VxEUQGQ7ceL3MO1dCfT7AwzghmvyxUGXFsNX/3u3gRicrheQV +XnLYWIyWx7z4TLDnxsG8UXpYBfm5IbbkJFewEoKUeDzxnE6KxGwjFAWNmvG23eEHrUb oWKyT3pxzMZeTGFT1wQkhM8eVCwBpJillALUQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.179.6 with SMTP id dc6mr789370igc.15.1329360138483; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.222.227 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:42:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:42:17 -0600 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: /lib/exec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libxfsm-4.6.so.0" amd64 FreeBSD 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:42:19 -0000 Dear folks, I updated ports and one failed, gimp-app. I checked /usr/src/UPDATING and I followed advice there to run # portmaster -w devel/pcre and I did this, and now machine won't get X. How can I bypass this mistake? I am now hesitant to update the other machines :(, I will get into problems starting X because of some update of a certain lib. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 02:44:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0931065686 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:44:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nzp@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [204.13.164.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440548FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fruiteater.riseup.net (fruiteater-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E643EA228F for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: nzp@fruiteater.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id 8DE2F903 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:44:09 +0100 From: Nikola =?utf-8?B?UGF2bG92acSH?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120216024408.GA57917@sputnjik.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: How to prevent gam_server from running? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:44:14 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 04:57:38PM -0600, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > Lately, I've been hovering hither and thither when it comes to which > desktop environment I choose when logging in, but several of them seem > to insist on starting gam_server, which is just a real CPU hog, and > once this thing is started, there's no stopping it. > PolicyKit is like that too. :) > I've looked and looked and still can't figure out how to disable it. I > can't even figure out where exactly it's being started from. Whether > it's GNOME or XFCE or what-have-you, at login, some add-on tool > somewhere is launching this thing, and I just plain don't want it! :-) It's not just desktop environments, a huge amount of 'normal' ports depend on it. I'm running a bare bones window manager and can't get rid of it. At first I thought polkit and gam_server were some kind of leftovers from a couple of months long experiment with KDE4, but after I made sure every last bit of KDE was gone from the system (it was like trying to kill those packs of core hounds in Molten Core[1]; older WoW players will appreciate the analogy) and tired to remove them, this is what I got (and still get; some of the more amusing dependants marked): # pkg_delete gamin\* pkg_delete: package 'gamin-0.1.10_4' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: ORBit2-2.14.19 atk-2.0.1 dbus-glib-0.94 desktop-file-utils-0.18 eggdbus-0.6_1 gdk-pixbuf-2.23.5_1 gio-fam-backend-2.28.8 libIDL-0.8.14_1 libcroco-0.6.2_1 libgee-0.6.2.1 libimobiledevice-1.0.6_2 liblqr-1-0.4.1_2 policykit-0.9_6 py27-dbus-0.84.0 shared-mime-info-0.90 <--- enchant-1.6.0 gsettings-desktop-schemas-3.0.1 glib-networking-2.28.7_3 libsoup-2.34.3 loudmouth-1.4.3_6 mcabber-0.10.1_2 <--- cairo-1.10.2_3,1 gobject-introspection-0.10.8 pango-1.28.4 graphviz-2.28.0 vala-0.12.1 gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.6 gtk-2.24.6 dconf-0.5.1_3 polkit-0.99 gconf2-2.32.0_2 libgsf-1.14.21 gtk-engines2-2.20.2 librsvg2-2.34.1 ImageMagick-6.7.4.4_1 <--- goffice-0.8.17 wv-1.2.9 abiword-2.8.4_1 consolekit-0.4.3 libnotify-0.7.3_1 firefox-10.0,1 gstreamer-0.10.35 gstreamer-plugins-0.10.35_1,3 py27-cairo-1.8.10 py27-gobject-2.28.6 libgpod-0.8.0 libglade2-2.6.4_4 gtkpod-1.0.0 hal-0.5.14_18 hal-info-20091130 lxappearance-0.5.1 xorg-server-1.7.7_3,1 nvidia-driver-285.05.09 nvidia-settings-285.05.09 py27-gstreamer-0.10.22 py27-gtk-2.24.0 py27-notify-0.1.1_8 trayer-srg-1.1.4 vim-7.3.121 wine-1.4.r2,1 xf86-input-keyboard-1.5.0 xf86-input-mouse-1.6.0 xf86-video-nv-2.1.18 xf86-video-vesa-2.3.0_1 xorg-drivers-7.5.1 xorg-7.5.1 xplanet-1.2.2_1 xscreensaver-5.15 zenity-2.32.1_1 musicpd-0.16.7 Sure, some of these are not direct dependencies, but this is the end result. At that point I just sighed, gazed away from the computer and decided to leave it be. :) (Yes some of the stuff in that list can be weeded out with pkg_cutleaves but they end coming back as build dependencies of other stuff that I do need). > > Any clues, anyone? I'm really worn out from trying to solve this one. > At this point I guess any GTK+ application (and I bet a lot of KDE ones too) that even remotely has anything to do with Gnome is going to result in pulling in gam_server (gamin). Maybe it's even a plain GTK+ thing... It seems like a lost battle. But the CPU hogging sounds strange. On my machine it just sits there seemingly doing nothing with probably constant 0 % CPU load and a few processes. ---- [1] http://www.wowpedia.org/Core_Hound_Pack -- The thrill is here, but it won't last long You'd better have your fun before it moves along... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 02:57:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D59F1065676 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryanrfrederick@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D8A8FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so2977617iae.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:57:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=e1wnb2Tj1Cpmi+4Arit6rKdXGZKicsi04XfONFpdef8=; b=SY311XCjkqgNWXF8s2YPUqBfv+kMJrjwa9T+xiGf3Y85h2E94RIBKssTgnycVViBIQ Rs+b6QTELYXZ1dzvJYzTDbixxInrLBiBswXBTOHOl/SDfLhOHy1FS6+CaizslTLxzbp/ +iMHDynXlamoxxhXOA/8e/yf2DU7nMw9ciFfo= Received: by 10.50.161.231 with SMTP id xv7mr858481igb.0.1329361027839; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([12.185.254.145]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wn7sm547340igc.0.2012.02.15.18.57.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:57:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3C707B.1060406@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:56:59 -0600 From: Ryan Frederick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111120 Lightning/1.0b2 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antonio Olivares References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: /lib/exec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libxfsm-4.6.so.0" amd64 FreeBSD 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:57:08 -0000 You can recompile all ports that depend on pcre so that they'll use the new shared library. You can do so with: # portmaster -r pcre-8.30 Ryan On 02/15/2012 08:42 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear folks, > > I updated ports and one failed, gimp-app. I checked /usr/src/UPDATING > and I followed advice there to run > # portmaster -w devel/pcre > > and I did this, and now machine won't get X. How can I bypass this > mistake? I am now hesitant to update the other machines :(, I will > get into problems starting X because of some update of a certain lib. > Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? > > Regards, > > Antonio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 03:05:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B3710657E1 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:05:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AAA8FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BA984E80D5C; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:05:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:05:16 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Dave Message-ID: <20120216030516.GA30595@thought.org> References: <20120215000838.GA26583@thought.org> <4F3B0D00.4050605@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3B11FB.80900@thought.org> <4F3B745E.21736.25D537@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3B745E.21736.25D537@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fixit disc for 7.3 #1? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:05:18 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 09:01:18AM -0000, Dave wrote: [[ useless junk ]] > > it. it keep cycling, trying to boot a 7.3 #1. > > > > i just remembered that the floppy disk was a DOS file with a secret > > command :A:\MBR that got rid of that boot track. > > > > it's looking more and more hopeless. > > > > .... > > > > wasn't/isn't there some kind of "fixit" CD? > > > > gary > > Sounds like you need to get into the Dell's BIOS, and alter the boot > order, so as it looks first at CD and Floppy drives, before the hard > disk. Dell's can be funny things at times though, especially if it's > been setup for a headless boot (server mode)... this us a case when what i tried was worse than dumb and dumber; it was beyond idiocy. to try and keep my dell from booting infinitely, i when into /etc/fstab and commented out all the file system entries. STILL, FBSD starts to boot. it blows up only when it tried to mount the first slice. my original theory was that without any of the Devices in /etc/fstab mounted, the boot would simply ==quit==; this would when i would have a chance to mount one of my iso CD files. > > The old tool you're thinking of for DOS/Windows was "FixMBR". > was this on an old dos floppy? pretty sure i had the old 5.25[?]-inch floppy; it was a micro$oft disc and the file that got rid of my incomplete freebsd was never advertised. but it did the trick and my cousin got back to reinstalling whatever he had. fast forward 11.5 years and i'm here with an old dell that is sitting here, cabled up with no plac e to go. > I thihk like 'Da Rock' has suggested, you best pull the affected hard > disk, and either put it in a USB caddy, then mount it as an external > drive on a working system, if it's not badly mullered somehow, or install > it as an extra drive in such a similar system, and get stuff off it like > that, is probably the best way. yes, i think you nailed it. the facts are that the guy who helped me last sunday was somebody i did not know before. so now i'll have to email and see if he'll have the time and energy to come back in the next few weeks and drop in an empty disc. used/refurb; it's a dontcare. > > Then, flatten it and do a clean install of whatever, with it fitted back > into it's original home. > > Unless someone else comes up with a better plan. > > Regards. > > Dave B. well, you've confirmed my own thinking. i think this drive is the only one in the 2003 computer. that was the last year that dell built things rights, IMHO. The opticals are packaged neatly; a couple of plugs and a heavy strap. Seriously well engineered from a hardware design standpoint. that's the only reason i didn't have the box hauled away last april. ..... thanks, gary > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Voice By Computer (for Universal Access): http:/www.thought.org/vbc The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 03:06:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B1A1065670 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:06:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7488FC25 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so2990125iae.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:06:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JUnk9WrWaLwnJEN8Wkvw51Zf6w5wsny1uquwz3vvGLQ=; b=d65Oexj3jzjdyNTwk7YsEj4QLuGA9Yd/M+vcV4eF3AhWACKmej3bTLkHBNXQV/s/ie eNvdPXIvVgMAhQ+MvztByYzXSkXEQV2U30pxHrKNKgxfjEwmlTYBtSkbwoBjUVKU03nH UAnwsbe1TQvb0rEuf5bOBpJX92Wp53KkCVjmA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.166.74 with SMTP id n10mr633710icy.36.1329361592011; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.222.227 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:06:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4F3C707B.1060406@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:06:31 -0600 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: /lib/exec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libxfsm-4.6.so.0" amd64 FreeBSD 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:06:32 -0000 >> You can recompile all ports that depend on pcre so that they'll use the >> new shared library. >> >> You can do so with: >> # portmaster -r pcre-8.30 >> >> Ryan >> >> On 02/15/2012 08:42 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: >>> Dear folks, >>> >>> I updated ports and one failed, gimp-app. =A0I checked /usr/src/UPDATIN= G >>> and I followed advice there to run >>> # portmaster -w devel/pcre >>> >>> and I did this, and now machine won't get X. =A0How can I bypass this >>> mistake? =A0I am now hesitant to update the other machines :(, I will >>> get into problems starting X because of some update of a certain lib. >>> Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Antonio >>> _______________________________________________ > I am doing this and see how it goes. =A0I used ldd to check for libprce.so and I got : ldd /usr/local/lib/libprce.so: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) ldd /usr/local/lib/libprce.so.1: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) There are two of them :( =A0Should there be only one? Thanks for your advice. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 03:28:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD4B1065670 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:28:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1D48FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q1G3XHc3043810; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:33:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:33:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201202160333.q1G3XHc3043810@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, olivares14031@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Cc: Subject: Re: /lib/exec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libxfsm-4.6.so.0" amd64 FreeBSD 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:28:31 -0000 Antonio Olivares wrote; > I am doing this and see how it goes. I used ldd to check for > libprce.so and I got : > > ldd /usr/local/lib/libprce.so: > libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) > ldd /usr/local/lib/libprce.so.1: > libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) > > There are two of them :( Should there be only one? This is _normal_. The .so (with no further sufix), is generally just a link to the 'latest' .so *with* a numeric suffix. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 04:55:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37401065672 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:55:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D40A8FC0A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so3135670iae.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:55:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ey0vW2ftDZGE+oAZiglhnajV2wiDG6cl4zUlcGSXJ84=; b=fRIt03M/A4WVnK1nXTSXuv+5bxFa94UY13r9E7IbbF3WDIIjcEb1oDf359EFB8tYM/ JvfkcF3/Mt2B4vAMX7qDY8FdvZibFmU2CDZDDGQnn+T//bryak8RwpWlNY7B3rG1b/e8 orxVHTkL/LeX2SdE4UgzBzfredHSTyf9WWN6s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.174.71 with SMTP id u7mr851859icz.44.1329368118914; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.222.227 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:55:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201202160333.q1G3XHc3043810@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201202160333.q1G3XHc3043810@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:55:18 -0600 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /lib/exec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libxfsm-4.6.so.0" amd64 FreeBSD 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:55:21 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Robert Bonomi w= rote: > Antonio Olivares wrote; > >> =A0I am doing this and see how it goes. =A0I used ldd to check for >> libprce.so and I got : >> >> ldd /usr/local/lib/libprce.so: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) >> ldd /usr/local/lib/libprce.so.1: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 libc.so.7 =3D> /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) >> >> There are two of them :( =A0Should there be only one? > > This is _normal_. =A0The .so (with no further sufix), is generally just a= link > to the 'latest' .so *with* a numeric suffix. > > I am in a not good state now. I broke two machines by updating to latest and get the same error on both machines. I get the /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" is needed by * and nothing works, I run # portmaster -r pcre-8.30 and it bombs out with the following: signals-marshal.c:186: warning: ISO C forbids conversion of object pointer to function pointer type CC libavahi_gobject_la-ga-client-enumtypes.lo CC libavahi_gobject_la-ga-entry-group-enumtypes.lo CC libavahi_gobject_la-ga-enums-enumtypes.lo CCLD libavahi-gobject.la GISCAN Avahi-0.6.gir g-ir-scanner: warning: Option --strip-prefix has been deprecated; see --identifier-prefix and --symbol-prefix. /usr/include/machine/endian.h:123: syntax error, unexpected '{' in ' return (__extension__ ({ register __uint64_t __X =3D (_x); __asm ("bswap %0" : "+r" (__X)); __X; }));' at '{' /usr/include/machine/endian.h:123: syntax error, unexpected ';' in ' return (__extension__ ({ register __uint64_t __X =3D (_x); __asm ("bswap %0" : "+r" (__X)); __X; }));' at ';' /usr/include/machine/endian.h:130: syntax error, unexpected '{' in ' return (__extension__ ({ register __uint32_t __X =3D (_x); __asm ("bswap %0" : "+r" (__X)); __X; }));' at '{' /usr/include/machine/endian.h:130: syntax error, unexpected ';' in ' return (__extension__ ({ register __uint32_t __X =3D (_x); __asm ("bswap %0" : "+r" (__X)); __X; }));' at ';' /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libavahi-glib.so.1" Command '['/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29/avahi-gobject/tmp-int= rospectGYNEXM/Avahi-0.6', '--introspect-dump=3D/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29/avahi-gobje= ct/tmp-introspectGYNEXM/types.txt,/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.2= 9/avahi-gobject/tmp-introspectGYNEXM/dump.xml']' returned non-zero exit status 1 gmake[3]: *** [Avahi-0.6.gir] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29/avahi-gobject' gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29/avahi-gobject' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/net/avahi-app. =3D=3D=3D>>> make failed for net/avahi-app =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update =3D=3D=3D>>> Update for avahi-app-0.6.29_1 failed =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update =3D=3D=3D>>> Update for gvfs-1.6.6_2 failed =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update =3D=3D=3D>>> Update for Thunar-1.3.0 failed =3D=3D=3D>>> Aborting update Terminated =3D=3D=3D>>> There are messages from installed ports to display, but first take a moment to review the error messages above. Then press Enter when ready to proceed. =3D=3D=3D>>> pkg-message for gamin-0.1.10_4 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Gamin will only provide realtime notification of changes for at most n file= s, where n is the minimum value between (kern.maxfiles * 0.7) and (kern.maxfilesperproc - 200). Beyond that limit, files will be polled. If you often open several large folders with Nautilus, you might want to increase the kern.maxfiles tunable (you do not need to set kern.maxfilesperproc, since it is computed at boot time from kern.maxfiles)= . For a typical desktop, add the following line to /boot/loader.conf, then reboot the system: kern.maxfiles=3D"25000" The behavior of gamin can be controlled via the various gaminrc files. See http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/config.html on how to create these files. In particular, if you find gam_server is taking up too much CPU time polling for changes, something like the following may help in one of the gaminrc files: # reduce polling frequency to once per 10 seconds # for UFS file systems in order to lower CPU load fsset ufs poll 10 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D>>> pkg-message for liblqr-1-0.4.1_2 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NOTE: In order to compile examples for liblqr, you will also need pngwriter port (/usr/ports/graphics/pngwriter). Examples are located in /usr/local/share/examples/liblqr-1 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D>>> Done displaying pkg-message files =3D=3D=3D>>> The following actions were performed: Re-installation of pcre-8.30 Re-installation of glib-2.28.8_4 Re-installation of gamin-0.1.10_4 Re-installation of gio-fam-backend-2.28.8_1 Re-installation of liblqr-1-0.4.1_2 Re-installation of cairo-1.10.2_3,1 Re-installation of gobject-introspection-0.10.8_1 Re-installation of atk-2.0.1 Re-installation of libIDL-0.8.14_1 Re-installation of ORBit2-2.14.19 Re-installation of dbus-glib-0.94 Re-installation of libgee-0.6.2.1 Re-installation of vala-0.12.1 Re-installation of gdk-pixbuf-2.23.5_1 Re-installation of pango-1.28.4 Re-installation of shared-mime-info-0.90 Re-installation of gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.6 Re-installation of gtk-2.24.6 Re-installation of dconf-0.5.1_3 Re-installation of eggdbus-0.6_1 Re-installation of polkit-0.99 Re-installation of gconf2-2.32.0_2 Re-installation of libgsf-1.14.21 Re-installation of libcroco-0.6.2_1 Re-installation of gtk-engines2-2.20.2 Re-installation of librsvg2-2.34.1 Re-installation of ImageMagick-6.7.4.4_1 Re-installation of desktop-file-utils-0.18 Re-installation of vte-0.26.2 Re-installation of libxfce4util-4.8.2 Re-installation of libexo-0.6.2_1 Re-installation of Terminal-0.4.8 Re-installation of poppler-0.18.0 Re-installation of poppler-glib-0.18.0 Re-installation of gstreamer-0.10.35 Re-installation of gstreamer-plugins-0.10.35_1,3 Re-installation of xfce4-tumbler-0.1.23 Re-installation of gsettings-desktop-schemas-3.0.1 Re-installation of glib-networking-2.28.7_3 Re-installation of libsoup-2.34.3 Re-installation of libgnome-keyring-2.32.0_1 Re-installation of libsoup-gnome-2.34.3_1 =3D=3D=3D>>> You can restart from the point of failure with this command li= ne: portmaster x11-fm/thunar devel/gvfs net/avahi-app sysutils/gnome-mount devel/libnotify sysutils/hal sysutils/consolekit sysutils/policykit sysutils/policykit-gnome x11-wm/xfce4-panel sysutils/garcon x11-toolkits/libwnck x11/libxfce4menu x11/xfce4-conf print/apsfilter devel/automoc4 devel/qt4-corelib devel/doxygen graphics/graphviz print/teTeX print/cm-super print/teTeX-base print/teTeX-texmf print/tex-texmflocal textproc/qt4-xml x11-toolkits/qt4-gui multimedia/dvdauthor graphics/evince devel/libglade2 devel/py-gobject graphics/py-cairo misc/gnome-icon-theme print/libspectre x11-fm/nautilus x11-toolkits/py-gtk2 x11-toolkits/unique x11/gnome-desktop www/firefox sysutils/gkrellm2 security/gnome-keyring math/gnuplot x11-toolkits/wxgtk28 x11-toolkits/wxgtk28-common multimedia/gstreamer-plugins-good x11-themes/gtk-xfce-engine editors/libreoffice graphics/libwpg textproc/libwpd textproc/libwps textproc/redland textproc/rasqal comms/libticables2 comms/libticalcs2 converters/libticonv devel/libtifiles2 x11-toolkits/libxfce4gui x11/libxklavier www/libxul multimedia/lxdvdrip multimedia/mplayer multimedia/transcode databases/mdbtools editors/mousepad deskutils/orage multimedia/phonon devel/dbus-qt4 sysutils/qzeitgeist devel/qt4-qtestlib multimedia/phonon-gstreamer x11/qt4-opengl graphics/poppler-qt4 graphics/poppler-utils devel/qt4-declarative databases/qt4-sql devel/qt4-script graphics/qt4-svg net/qt4-network textproc/qt4-xmlpatterns devel/qt4-scripttools www/qt4-webkit graphics/ristretto archivers/squeeze x11-fm/thunar-vfs emulators/tiemu3 sysutils/upower x11-wm/xfce4 audio/xfce4-mixer misc/xfce4-appfinder print/xfce4-print sysutils/xfce4-settings sysutils/xfce4-utils x11-wm/xfce4-desktop x11-wm/xfce4-session x11-wm/xfce4-wm x11/xfce4-screenshooter-plugin sysutils/xfce4-systemload-plugin x11/xorg x11/xorg-apps graphics/xsane How can such a simple update break the whole system? Last time I had to rebuild everything that depended on something because X broke, using Xfce if it matters in this caes. Ideas, suggestions, advice, and comments are greatly appreciated. Otherwise, I am thinking of pulling the trigger and update to 9.0 release and hopefully there, things will not break like here. Thanks and sorry for the noise, but I thought that the update was going to work on both machines and both bombed out on the same place. Luckily on this one, firefox at least worked to send this message. mplayer does not work: [olivares@quadcore ~]$ mplayer /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0" firefox did not work, but now does miraculously, thanks to some miracle. I clicked on the menu link and nothing happened, I clicked on the XFCE bottom panel to launch firefox and nothing happened, I went to the terminal and typed firefox, and I got : [olivares@quadcore ~]$ firefox /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libdbus-glib-1.so.2" But later clicked on the menu and it worked. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 06:15:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59C11065670; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:15:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3278FC0A; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadz30 with SMTP id z30so4447268qad.13 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:15:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rpUYQ2wC7UK7em/He/LCLytUU/pQt8QOOcfpwiS7JVE=; b=huSj6LnSORgqmSjpA7PaDlddbxDB8fW34enq+476shpRXCbrmwCcM4dlttsmrHz7nA d4QO1IeFLx6304NBarfjvnNYHetF3KeMQ+e/Nw4GVil7j/lbRQgLYxpxiik74+ttJ5Ed jfcZMyogTGnABShFgcRTpCVueq+wnpWl4IHwQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.78.215 with SMTP id m23mr976069qck.93.1329372924766; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.76.153 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:15:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:15:24 +0200 Message-ID: From: David Naylor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.4.rc3 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:15:25 -0000 Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc3 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few users= ). The patch [3] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on installation (if the relevant files are accessible). =C2=A0Please read the installation messages for further information. Regards, David [1] =C2=A0MD5 (freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc3,1.tbz) =3D 0a63374ea1f14c205a49d189= acba8015 =C2=A0MD5 (freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.4.rc3,1.txz) =3D 02362559af1efe9088c7aa3a= dc6c4da4 [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 [3] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 08:00:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E931065670 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:00:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF34D8FC19 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G80ao1074786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:00:37 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1G80ao1074786 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329379237; bh=xG6SPhxbVFBwzwZj5QtLlLRbEYLpeKy6qpQB99hBOOs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=xr+2vqxJNCCCKtPnOtdGtSWKESWIdrKevomY1QRn+aVpG/Pgn1sP9pq8acFJ9zXRL j/2mh+/YIEdyxSGK2h3T9UJQlSsp8kXWMgVvS0l6Igxo2aTSCfaDobEQ87dyfZrdJO L8xN+ZaQVjD/ZdidxuzQ/VDZ8/FV/loSyq00zhGc= Message-ID: <4F3CB79C.2030704@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:00:28 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> <20120216024408.GA57917@sputnjik.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20120216024408.GA57917@sputnjik.localdomain> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig56B2AC9A3863F0CAF3136D89" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: How to prevent gam_server from running? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:00:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig56B2AC9A3863F0CAF3136D89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16/02/2012 02:44, Nikola Pavlovi=C4=87 wrote: > (Yes some of the stuff in that list can be > weeded out with pkg_cutleaves but they end coming back as build > dependencies of other stuff that I do need). You know that portmaster(8) has the capability to delete build-only dependencies? If you create packages of everything you build, the effect can be that portmaster will just install the build dependency as required for updates. Add this in portmaster.rc to do the deletion of build-only dependencies: PM_DEL_BUILD_ONLY=3Dpw_dbo These will keep a cache of any packages you build, and use that cache preferentially to reinstall anything (which is also really handy if you've got a bunch of machines that can all share the same cache): MAKE_PACKAGE=3Dgopt PM_PACKAGES=3Dfirst LOCAL_PACKAGEDIR=3D/usr/ports/packages PM_PACKAGES_LOCAL=3Dpmp_local Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig56B2AC9A3863F0CAF3136D89 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk88t6MACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyAwgCfXmg0DyvZqxD/Mf2JdMnIkrig zl8AoIT9w49Xwp4/l20hK5VWUXyOUdes =npmA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig56B2AC9A3863F0CAF3136D89-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 08:41:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15165106568F for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7FE8FC23 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so2225590bkc.13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.129.220 with SMTP id p28mr741429bks.8.1329381661328; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot.local (ip-100.net-82-216-199.nantes.rev.numericable.fr. [82.216.199.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x20sm11253866bka.9.2012.02.16.00.40.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:41:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3CC11D.1080105@my.gd> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:41:01 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter knezel References: <4F314AFB.8080901@my.gd> <4F3BEA73.9060005@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlBkWK5eB0GAOJTVVUqjsSzt4ieHuRTBjqUjHLcaJWgk3S1I42VPgSwZhKyU7YVgTkVRTu/ Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: From analysis of a simple ifstated.conf to more compex example X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:41:03 -0000 Preemption is used to ensure that, if a CARP interface goes down on host A, host B will then assume mastership for all interfaces. It prevents the nasty situation where you'd have, for example: Public IP: master on host A Private IP: master on host B servers behind firewalls hosts A and B: - traffic arrives on host A which creates a PF state - servers reply via their default gateway, the CARP IP now master on host B Host B doesn't have a state for the traffic, drops it. To enable preemption you need to run sysctl net.inet.carp.preempt=1 and add the corresponding line to your sysctls file in etc. On 2/15/12 7:04 PM, peter knezel wrote: > Well, > > I am not fully familiar with CARP, but if the different carp interfaces > are used for different purpose (ftp, tftp, scp), is it a good idea to > put down all of them, if they are able to serve their purpose? > > BTW, what is CARP preemption and how is it possible to enable it? > > Kind regards, > > Peter > > On 15 February 2012 18:25, Damien Fleuriot > > wrote: > > Sorry about the late reply, didn't see yours. > > What about enabling CARP preemption to ensure that when a carp interface > goes down, the whole set does ? > > > On 2/7/12 9:13 PM, peter knezel wrote: > > Hello Damien, > > > > I did read your example but cannot get idea from it. > > For three interfaces you have much more possibilities. > > > > Imagine you start the server from uuu state which is equal to > > net = '( "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp0 > /dev/null" every 3 && > "ifconfig -a -u > > |grep carp1 > /dev/null" every 3 && "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp2 > > /dev/null" > > every 3)' > > > > Now you put down one carp interface - so system is in state : > > *state one:* > > (duu) || (udu) || (uud) <----which is same as !$net > > run script1.sh > > go to twoff > > > > now imagine, you put down any other carp interface: > > *state twoff: * > > (dud) || (ddu) || (udd) > > run script2.sh > > go to two > > > > *state two: * > > put all interfaces up > > run script3.sh > > go to state one > > > > it means, this is one of the possibilities system can behave (this > > situation does not describe all possible states - I have taken this > > special example.) > > > > Now if you want to put up after putting down one carp interface, you > > fail since it is in state twoff. > > Only of you put down second carp interface it goes to state two and if > > you put both up, it will go to state one. > > > > This is where my ifstated.conf fails to work. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Peter Knezel > > > > > > On 7 February 2012 17:02, Damien Fleuriot >> > > wrote: > > > > On 2/7/12 3:36 PM, peter knezel wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I would like to ask somebody to explain me how the ifstated > works > > according to > > > the following configuration file. > > > I have three virtual carp interfaces carp0,carp1 and carp2. > > > > > > I try to understand the following setting: > > > The server is in state one (all carp interfaces are up) and > if there > > > is carp down of any: > > > one (carp0 or carp1 or carp2), > > > two ([carp0 and carp1] or [carp0 and carp2] or [carp1 and > carp2]), > > > three interfaces (carp 0 and carp1 and carp2), server > > > runs the script testdown.sh and put the server into state two. > > > If all carp interfaces are up, the server runs the testup.sh > and set > > > the state to one. > > > > > > > That is my understanding. > > > > > > > Is it the way the system works? > > > Or am I wrong? > > > > > > === > > > init-state one > > > > > > net = '( "ifconfig -a -u |grep carp0 > /dev/null" every 3 && > > "ifconfig -a -u > > > |grep carp1 > /dev/null" every 3 && "ifconfig -a -u |grep > carp2 > > > /dev/null" > > > every 3)' > > > > > > state one { > > > if ( ! $net ) { > > > run "/usr/local/testdown.sh" > > > set-state two > > > } > > > } > > > > > > state two { > > > if ( $net ) { > > > run "/usr/local/testup.sh" > > > set-state one > > > } > > > } > > > === > > > > > > Is there any possibility to define and set ifstated.conf that > > reacts when: > > > > > > any one of the carp interfaces is down - followed by > another any > > > other carp interface down > > > > > > > > > I tried to define states: > > > > > > duu ="!carp0.link.up && carp1.link.up && carp2.link.up" > > > udu ="carp0.link.up && !carp1.link.up && carp2.link.up" > > > uud ="carp0.link.up && carp1.link.up && !carp2.link.up" > > > ddu ="!carp0.link.up && !carp1.link.up" > > > dud ="!carp0.link.up && !carp2.link.up" > > > udd ="!carp1.link.up && !carp2.link.up" > > > > > > and used them but somehow I cannot incorporate all state > changes and > > > include it in ifstated.conf. > > > > > > > > > Works fine here, did you not have any luck with the file I posted > > earlier ? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > > mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > > > >" > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 08:47:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740F6106566B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B51E8FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G8lc3Y044898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:47:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q1G8lcYU044895 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:47:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:47:38 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD questions Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fagskolen_i_Gj=F8vik?= OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-834928694-1329382058=:7134" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Subject: mlock(2) results in Resource temporarily unavailable on FreeBSD/amd64 9.0-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:47:50 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-834928694-1329382058=:7134 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT I have a system running FreeBSD/amd64 9.0-STABLE as of Tue Jan 10 16:22:34 CET 2012. Every attempt by the root user to use the mlock(2) system call results in Resource temporarily unavailable (EAGAIN, 35). I'm using bash and ulimit -l says there's no restriction on the amount of locked memory: root@hostname:~>ulimit -l unlimited Is this typical for the amd64 arch? Is this documented somewhere? The mlock(2) system call works as expected on the i386 arch. GnuPG and other software would benefit from a useable mlock(2) on the amd64 arch. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. dir. 61 14 54 39, | Office.....: +47 61 14 54 39, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-834928694-1329382058=:7134-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 09:10:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D121065670 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0018FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1G9A2Vs045314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:10:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q1G9A2re045311 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:10:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:10:02 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fagskolen_i_Gj=F8vik?= OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY="2055831798-834928694-1329382058=:7134" Content-ID: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Subject: Re: mlock(2) results in Resource temporarily unavailable on FreeBSD/amd64 9.0-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:10:10 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-834928694-1329382058=:7134 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:47+0100, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > I have a system running FreeBSD/amd64 9.0-STABLE as of > Tue Jan 10 16:22:34 CET 2012. > > Every attempt by the root user to use the mlock(2) system call results > in Resource temporarily unavailable (EAGAIN, 35). > > I'm using bash and ulimit -l says there's no restriction on the amount > of locked memory: > > root@hostname:~>ulimit -l > unlimited > > Is this typical for the amd64 arch? Is this documented somewhere? > The mlock(2) system call works as expected on the i386 arch. The system is question is running ZFS at full steam, and the ARC might be to blame as nearly all physical memory is placed in the Wired category: Mem: 97M Active, 188M Inact, 7175M Wired, 193M Cache, 400K Buf, 249M Free This system has: real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB) avail memory = 8234950656 (7853 MB) The solution might be to decrease vfs.zfs.arc_max from 7216345088 to a more sane number like 4096M. > GnuPG and other software would benefit from a useable mlock(2) on > the amd64 arch. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. dir. 61 14 54 39, | Office.....: +47 61 14 54 39, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-834928694-1329382058=:7134 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: INLINE _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --2055831798-834928694-1329382058=:7134-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 10:01:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB3A106564A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43038FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF67C.dip.t-dialin.net [87.188.246.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1GA1feZ091837 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:01:45 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1GA4bmr018446 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:04:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1G98PHA007487; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:08:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201202160908.q1G98PHA007487@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Conrad J. Sabatier" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:57:38 CST." <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:08:25 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to prevent gam_server from running? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:01:54 -0000 "Conrad J. Sabatier" wrote > Any clues, anyone? I'm really worn out from trying to solve this one. I've not heard of gam_server but try cd /var/db/pkg/gam_server* ; more ./+REQUIRED_BY same result with pkg_info -R gam_server* BTW for window manager I have been using /usr/ports/x11-wm/fvwm on all machines for a decade or more, runs fine on 32 Meg 4.11-RELEASE & amd64 8.2 etc. Plain ascii config easily extendable. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 10:01:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0881065672 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09CA8FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF67C.dip.t-dialin.net [87.188.246.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1GA1mc0091838; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:01:53 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1GA4bmt018446; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:04:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1G8tJoB007264; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:56:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201202160856.q1G8tJoB007264@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Chip Oakley From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:14:03 EST." Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:55:19 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:01:58 -0000 Chip Oakley wrote: > Hello, > > I am upgrading to BSD from windows. > > I am having complications with an old password from Windows that I cannot > remember. > > I created an ISO Boot CD on another computer and installed it and made sure > to set the BIOS to boot from CD, to no avail. There's 2 types of PC boot CDs I believe, FreeBSD changed to the newer method in last year or so I think (maybe just for 8.* ?), so if yours is an older PC it might be looking for the other sort. You could try a few years old (eg 6.* or probably 7.*) FreeBSD CDROM for interest to see if that boots. > Is there a way to access the executable files from the CD Question not clear. You can access to read & execute all files from CDROM, by using the LIVEFS (live file system) option. To access files on the MS partition[s], If fdisk shows the MS still present you can also mount the MS file systems from BSD (regardless whether BSD is booted & running from CD or hard disk) For that you would need either mount -t msdosfs ..... if its an older FS or mount -t ntfs -r ..... if its a newer NTFS it only support read only mode, That mount command calls eg /sbin/mount_msdosfs /sbin/mount_ntfs Thats where they are on a hard disc. If FreeBSD hasnt installed yet, you'll find them I recall under something like /mnt2/sbin/mount_msdosfs (I think the cd is already mounted) If you want to write individual files on an MS NTFS you need ntfs-3g which is partly broken (one error noted in my http://berklix.com/~jhs/hardware/laptops/shrink/ & a lot easier to run from a hard disk working system. > and overwrite > windows for my BSD installation? Well if you just wanted to trash the MS & not recover data ? that's easy, the fdisk within BSD install should do it, but you could always try something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0 count=1000 DO NOT TRY THAT ON ANY SYSTEM WITH ANY DATA YOU VALUE Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. 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They seem intent on forcing things that do not work well > > (like pulseaudio and nouveau) on everyone. Freedom of choice is always > > best. > > Yeah, I used to use Linux but they became a bunch of Freedom Nazis > controlled by big companies. > > Happily using FreeBSD for 10 years. > > > > > My question is: Should I try the amd64 version of FreeBSD with my Intel > > Core i7-2600 processor or should I use the i386? > > Generally, for an x86 machine with 4GB or greater memory use amd64. > Memory less than that use i386. > I would actually say 3GB or more, as if you have a machine at 4gb and run a 32bit os you waste the best part of a gig or more due to pci addressing etc > > ie. you almost certainly want to use amd64, I should think. > > > > > I hope to give FreeBSD a try later this month. > > Excellent. Best of luck and any problems not covered in the handbook > or google, post here. 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Includes all phone, email, and chat technical support 24/7. - 15.* No hourly or daily limit!!* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 11:24:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEB3106564A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:24:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from lon1-msapost-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-msapost-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3078FC17 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.41.35.220] (helo=[192.168.16.85]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH g8kbv) (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.69) id 1RxzRz-0000BN-bc for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:24:35 +0000 From: "Dave" To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:24:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4F3CE772.2247.9A3E77@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4F3B79FC.2010905@a1poweruser.com> References: <4F3B79FC.2010905@a1poweruser.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.62) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: laptop freebsd display not filling whole screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:24:37 -0000 On 15 Feb 2012 at 17:25, Fbsd8 wrote: > I installed 9.0 on a Toshiba laptop. The Freebsd console only fills a > small box in the center of the screen. I found nothing in the handbook > about this so I am asking here. > > How do I get the console to fill to whole laptop screen? > > Many Toshiba laptops have a feature in the BIOS (Stretch or Expand) so that a 640x480 text screen (for example) will fill the full disaply, whatever the physical pixel resolution is. Looks weird, but it does what it says. Regards. Dave B. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 11:48:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB2A106566C for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:48:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C268FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so3400868lag.13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:48:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=foJ4NcXw7SVgNlu6MFgWl1xznakEbvRhxmr6wlIl8DU=; b=kWJ3vK95KdT4g8e+Hk5Q4ZB+f1XN+t5eEwO2ltn3sbuhFmiCLF4hj/7A6gRdOR/Egb 5uHeb7jNCplfVKqokI7n2WlamnRqcGe+GH4fIGhDj8EcXt5Bma1HguAM1v0doelLGnb2 i0H0hmKGEjY6yAvpQ/EgTEwU8VuGPlTiS254M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.82.134 with SMTP id i6mr662103lby.61.1329391385292; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.130.69 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:23:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:23:05 +0100 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Help! Drive failing in zpool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:48:12 -0000 I have a drive failing and it's a member of a zpool. Since I don't deal with these things every day I thought I ask for some help... :-) I've already ordered a new drive which will arrive shortly, but I was wondering if someone could guide me through the process of taking out a drive of the pool and replacing it with a new one and keep all the data intact? Ie. - put drive in offline mode - remove drive - insert new drive - whatever needs to set it up - add it to the zpool run Btw, rebooting this server is not a problem if needed. Here are some system details btw: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #2: Fri Jun 17 21:00:35 CEST 2011 root@server:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SERVER amd64 ad1: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51 error=40 LBA=281451125 ad1: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51 error=40 LBA=281453348 ad1: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51 error=40 LBA=288837128 # zpool status -v pool: files state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 33.8M in 3h24m with 0 errors on Wed Feb 15 12:30:27 2012 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM files ONLINE 0 0 0 raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 ad0 ONLINE 0 0 0 ad1 ONLINE 0 0 0 ad2 ONLINE 0 0 0 ad3 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors Thanks for any help!!! Best regards, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 12:38:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C733C106564A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:38:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nzp@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [204.13.164.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D908FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fruiteater.riseup.net (fruiteater-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 192E9A1083 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: nzp@fruiteater.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id E96AB955 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:38:04 +0100 From: Nikola =?utf-8?B?UGF2bG92acSH?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120216123804.GB60165@sputnjik.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> <20120216024408.GA57917@sputnjik.localdomain> <4F3CB79C.2030704@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4F3CB79C.2030704@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [OT] Build deps caching (was: How to prevent gam_server from running?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:38:09 -0000 On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 08:00:28AM +0000, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 16/02/2012 02:44, Nikola Pavlović wrote: > > (Yes some of the stuff in that list can be > > weeded out with pkg_cutleaves but they end coming back as build > > dependencies of other stuff that I do need). > > You know that portmaster(8) has the capability to delete build-only > dependencies? If you create packages of everything you build, the > effect can be that portmaster will just install the build dependency as > required for updates. > I now realize my algorithm for reading man portmaster was all wrong. :) When I started using FreeBSD I decided to not use packages, so I always disregarded all options dealing with them, and never made the connection between delete-build-only and local package caching. > Add this in portmaster.rc to do the deletion of build-only dependencies: > > PM_DEL_BUILD_ONLY=pw_dbo > I assume this is a typo, it should be 'pm_dbo'? > These will keep a cache of any packages you build, and use that cache > preferentially to reinstall anything (which is also really handy if > you've got a bunch of machines that can all share the same cache): > > MAKE_PACKAGE=gopt > PM_PACKAGES=first > LOCAL_PACKAGEDIR=/usr/ports/packages > PM_PACKAGES_LOCAL=pmp_local > Skimming through the man page and getopts part of portmaster I don't see a way to exclude some build-deps from being uninstalled. Am I missing something? I'm not sure ATM, but there could be some of them that are only ever build dependencies but which I want to keep installed for whatever reason. Anyway, thanks a lot for pointing this out, it's a really handy feature! -- There is a 20% chance of tomorrow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 12:39:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC251065670 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9508FC1C for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1GCdDaU024643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:39:13 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1GCdDaU024643 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329395953; bh=jAPBtJAGOruCSArs/6b3g/MAeVvurUruGV3JX2BNfNU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=aFCk0SU7Pk4SA7Wcb3eFQl+hFyqUzA/BfoaiDrTOXBFi/4uSZMQh0NLu3Bn8uaTRu cB4Xjh/RghVZ+AmKPo/bTOCIXmNAO29RY9zFY7vJakViy0FToMcIyIcwBOT13KRq2n EVLf07tDtC6DvWBSX0bVKfRhU5sN0yVxveElvR6g= Message-ID: <4F3CF8E8.9050507@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:39:04 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB8C321EE20BE3FF86415A2DA" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Help! Drive failing in zpool X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:39:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB8C321EE20BE3FF86415A2DA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16/02/2012 11:23, Andy Wodfer wrote: > I have a drive failing and it's a member of a zpool. Since I don't deal= > with these things every day I thought I ask for some help... :-) Well, the nice thing about ZFS is that it makes dealing with this sort of failure relatively painless. > I've already ordered a new drive which will arrive shortly, but I was > wondering if someone could guide me through the process of taking out a= > drive of the pool and replacing it with a new one and keep all the data= > intact? >=20 > Ie. >=20 > - put drive in offline mode > - remove drive > - insert new drive > - whatever needs to set it up > - add it to the zpool > run OK. First you need to identify the failing drive physically. Do you know which of the drives on your machine is ad1? Kind of important to get this right. Many servers will give you helpful hints by displaying error lights on broken drives, or you may be able to use something like iLO or iDRAC to turn on an indicator LED. Or you may be able to tell by other means. However you do it, be sure about this, as taking out one of the good drives by accident will probably crash your system. Nb. pro-tip: take some small sticky labels to the datacenter with you (the sort you get for those year-planner wall calendars are ideal, but anything will do) and mark the duff drive with them, on the drive caddy before you pull the drive and on the drive itself if you need to reuse the caddy. Now, I can see from your zpool status that you are just using raw disks, so no worries about partitioning or marking anything bootable. If you'ld built the system as described in eg. http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/RAIDZ1 so you were booting from this zpool, then there would be extra steps needed here, but you haven't so there aren't. So, first take the drive out of the zpool. This will result in the zpool state changing to DEGRADED: # zpool offline files ad1 Now physically extract the drive from the machine and replace it with your brand new one. If this is not a hot-swap system that will involve powering down and application of screwdrivers. If it is a hot-swap system, then you need to ensure the OS recognized the new drive. # dmesg Should show messages about 'ad1' near to the end. # atacontrol list should mention the new drive. To force the new drive to be registered, you could use: # atacontrol reinit ata0 but that will also reset ad0, and runs the risk of disruption of service. It might be better to reboot if the system won't pick up the new drive automatically. Now you can rebuild your zpool: # zpool replace files ad1 You should see instant disk activity, and zpool status will show the drive being resilvered. Eventually status will change to ONLINE. That's it. All done. > Btw, rebooting this server is not a problem if needed. That shouldn't be necessary, assuming that you have hot-swap drives. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigB8C321EE20BE3FF86415A2DA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk88+PAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzmWwCgiqivfHT8OuoLZXjstlx7HuFt 6aEAoI4XKtrkoZbSj3J+Vv3D1YH5YzBY =0v8e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB8C321EE20BE3FF86415A2DA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 12:46:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD071065672 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058AF8FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1GCk6MG024765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:46:07 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1GCk6MG024765 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329396367; bh=3Tn9G86GsdUS31LeM24rMOHCa+YU7SMfuJUWX7DVnbM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=P6eP1ZBfPWtqlnr8zoPsplrMoH608YW8p4VZMtW6i58s3brJdAINx7F2RMA6AeXDs PFvxZM/Wi4AQvbnwRHKXw/AMeNwMAgGwhlvC2h7Nlu0raUGqk4ELdihT9tOnEs7T0c kaqpKYx66Bj8aF/xL5nCJV7nOYdVBOpWbxsuR2XU= Message-ID: <4F3CFA8E.5040900@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:46:06 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120215165738.75518ea9@cox.net> <20120216024408.GA57917@sputnjik.localdomain> <4F3CB79C.2030704@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20120216123804.GB60165@sputnjik.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20120216123804.GB60165@sputnjik.localdomain> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1AD20BFB85DE5AE9F5253EBC" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: [OT] Build deps caching X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:46:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1AD20BFB85DE5AE9F5253EBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16/02/2012 12:38, Nikola Pavlovi=C4=87 wrote: >> Add this in portmaster.rc to do the deletion of build-only dependencie= s: >> >=20 >> > PM_DEL_BUILD_ONLY=3Dpw_dbo > I assume this is a typo, it should be 'pm_dbo'? Hmmm... maybe. However, it doesn't matter what the variable is set to, only that it's set to something. > Skimming through the man page and getopts part of portmaster I don't se= e > a way to exclude some build-deps from being uninstalled. Am I missing > something? I'm not sure ATM, but there could be some of them that are > only ever build dependencies but which I want to keep installed for wha= tever > reason. portmaster will only delete the build-only dependencies it installs in the same session solely because they are required for building. So anything that was already installed, or anything you tell portmaster to install explicitly will not be removed. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig1AD20BFB85DE5AE9F5253EBC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEUEARECAAYFAk88+o4ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy91wCdEw4t5IO62DOVdVLtX0xy7l+N 9r0AmJJynr8TPlFyS9RJShP49gn/Wzs= =upSG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1AD20BFB85DE5AE9F5253EBC-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 14:18:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D65106566B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:18:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryanrfrederick@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C2E8FC1E for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so3923889iae.13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:18:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MZglj/iuLZD9E6eZtYPyqSP1oZRVKvqLnTR4qJs1ZHw=; b=rgUYZlpffxGo64AbMITzR0LhXtxcqhAH04nFES0my53iYq9CHz0HSmu/GtOYalsHnX k7DV/Vt1u9uS9XjTMsBAmP477EC7URf2RiA2vCOMRdIqmTyvgGefNtdT/IZoe/U7Ao17 NNCqoHT9RIMzjH3vnr9nx9qPLR95GCwaSadDc= Received: by 10.43.47.135 with SMTP id us7mr2890959icb.29.1329401934466; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [139.78.2.36] (bofh.it.okstate.edu. [139.78.2.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id al9sm8535906igc.5.2012.02.16.06.18.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:18:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3D1049.2070006@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:18:49 -0600 From: Ryan Frederick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111120 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201202160333.q1G3XHc3043810@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /lib/exec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libxfsm-4.6.so.0" amd64 FreeBSD 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:18:55 -0000 It looks like others have run into this problem with avahi-app as well: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2011-July/068658.html A cursory search shows that uninstalling avahi-app then reinstalling should take care of the compilation failure. Afterward you should be able to run portmaster as shown in the error message (minus 'net/avahi-app') to finish recompiling the ports that depend on pcre. Ryan On 02/15/2012 10:55 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> Antonio Olivares wrote; >> >>> I am doing this and see how it goes. I used ldd to check for >>> libprce.so and I got : >>> >>> ldd /usr/local/lib/libprce.so: >>> libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) >>> ldd /usr/local/lib/libprce.so.1: >>> libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) >>> >>> There are two of them :( Should there be only one? >> >> This is _normal_. The .so (with no further sufix), is generally just a link >> to the 'latest' .so *with* a numeric suffix. >> >> > > I am in a not good state now. I broke two machines by updating to > latest and get the same error on both machines. > I get the /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" is needed > by * and nothing works, I run > > # portmaster -r pcre-8.30 > > and it bombs out with the following: > > signals-marshal.c:186: warning: ISO C forbids conversion of object > pointer to function pointer type > CC libavahi_gobject_la-ga-client-enumtypes.lo > CC libavahi_gobject_la-ga-entry-group-enumtypes.lo > CC libavahi_gobject_la-ga-enums-enumtypes.lo > CCLD libavahi-gobject.la > GISCAN Avahi-0.6.gir > g-ir-scanner: warning: Option --strip-prefix has been deprecated; > see --identifier-prefix and --symbol-prefix. > /usr/include/machine/endian.h:123: syntax error, unexpected '{' in ' > return (__extension__ ({ register __uint64_t __X = (_x); __asm ("bswap > %0" : "+r" (__X)); __X; }));' at '{' > /usr/include/machine/endian.h:123: syntax error, unexpected ';' in ' > return (__extension__ ({ register __uint64_t __X = (_x); __asm ("bswap > %0" : "+r" (__X)); __X; }));' at ';' > /usr/include/machine/endian.h:130: syntax error, unexpected '{' in ' > return (__extension__ ({ register __uint32_t __X = (_x); __asm ("bswap > %0" : "+r" (__X)); __X; }));' at '{' > /usr/include/machine/endian.h:130: syntax error, unexpected ';' in ' > return (__extension__ ({ register __uint32_t __X = (_x); __asm ("bswap > %0" : "+r" (__X)); __X; }));' at ';' > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required > by "libavahi-glib.so.1" > Command '['/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29/avahi-gobject/tmp-introspectGYNEXM/Avahi-0.6', > '--introspect-dump=/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29/avahi-gobject/tmp-introspectGYNEXM/types.txt,/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29/avahi-gobject/tmp-introspectGYNEXM/dump.xml']' > returned non-zero exit status 1 > gmake[3]: *** [Avahi-0.6.gir] Error 1 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29/avahi-gobject' > gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29/avahi-gobject' > gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/avahi-app/work/avahi-0.6.29' > gmake: *** [all] Error 2 > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/net/avahi-app. > > ===>>> make failed for net/avahi-app > ===>>> Aborting update > > ===>>> Update for avahi-app-0.6.29_1 failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > ===>>> Update for gvfs-1.6.6_2 failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > ===>>> Update for Thunar-1.3.0 failed > ===>>> Aborting update > > Terminated > ===>>> There are messages from installed ports to display, > but first take a moment to review the error messages > above. Then press Enter when ready to proceed. > > ===>>> pkg-message for gamin-0.1.10_4 > =============================================================================== > > Gamin will only provide realtime notification of changes for at most n files, > where n is the minimum value between (kern.maxfiles * 0.7) and > (kern.maxfilesperproc - 200). Beyond that limit, files will be polled. > > If you often open several large folders with Nautilus, you might want to > increase the kern.maxfiles tunable (you do not need to set > kern.maxfilesperproc, since it is computed at boot time from kern.maxfiles). > > For a typical desktop, add the following line to /boot/loader.conf, then > reboot the system: > > kern.maxfiles="25000" > > The behavior of gamin can be controlled via the various gaminrc files. > See http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/config.html on how to create > these files. In particular, if you find gam_server is taking up too much > CPU time polling for changes, something like the following may help > in one of the gaminrc files: > > # reduce polling frequency to once per 10 seconds > # for UFS file systems in order to lower CPU load > fsset ufs poll 10 > > =============================================================================== > > ===>>> pkg-message for liblqr-1-0.4.1_2 > ========================================================================== > NOTE: In order to compile examples for liblqr, you will > also need pngwriter port (/usr/ports/graphics/pngwriter). > Examples are located in /usr/local/share/examples/liblqr-1 > ========================================================================== > > ===>>> Done displaying pkg-message files > > ===>>> The following actions were performed: > Re-installation of pcre-8.30 > Re-installation of glib-2.28.8_4 > Re-installation of gamin-0.1.10_4 > Re-installation of gio-fam-backend-2.28.8_1 > Re-installation of liblqr-1-0.4.1_2 > Re-installation of cairo-1.10.2_3,1 > Re-installation of gobject-introspection-0.10.8_1 > Re-installation of atk-2.0.1 > Re-installation of libIDL-0.8.14_1 > Re-installation of ORBit2-2.14.19 > Re-installation of dbus-glib-0.94 > Re-installation of libgee-0.6.2.1 > Re-installation of vala-0.12.1 > Re-installation of gdk-pixbuf-2.23.5_1 > Re-installation of pango-1.28.4 > Re-installation of shared-mime-info-0.90 > Re-installation of gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.6 > Re-installation of gtk-2.24.6 > Re-installation of dconf-0.5.1_3 > Re-installation of eggdbus-0.6_1 > Re-installation of polkit-0.99 > Re-installation of gconf2-2.32.0_2 > Re-installation of libgsf-1.14.21 > Re-installation of libcroco-0.6.2_1 > Re-installation of gtk-engines2-2.20.2 > Re-installation of librsvg2-2.34.1 > Re-installation of ImageMagick-6.7.4.4_1 > Re-installation of desktop-file-utils-0.18 > Re-installation of vte-0.26.2 > Re-installation of libxfce4util-4.8.2 > Re-installation of libexo-0.6.2_1 > Re-installation of Terminal-0.4.8 > Re-installation of poppler-0.18.0 > Re-installation of poppler-glib-0.18.0 > Re-installation of gstreamer-0.10.35 > Re-installation of gstreamer-plugins-0.10.35_1,3 > Re-installation of xfce4-tumbler-0.1.23 > Re-installation of gsettings-desktop-schemas-3.0.1 > Re-installation of glib-networking-2.28.7_3 > Re-installation of libsoup-2.34.3 > Re-installation of libgnome-keyring-2.32.0_1 > Re-installation of libsoup-gnome-2.34.3_1 > > > ===>>> You can restart from the point of failure with this command line: > portmaster x11-fm/thunar devel/gvfs net/avahi-app > sysutils/gnome-mount devel/libnotify sysutils/hal sysutils/consolekit > sysutils/policykit sysutils/policykit-gnome x11-wm/xfce4-panel > sysutils/garcon x11-toolkits/libwnck x11/libxfce4menu x11/xfce4-conf > print/apsfilter devel/automoc4 devel/qt4-corelib devel/doxygen > graphics/graphviz print/teTeX print/cm-super print/teTeX-base > print/teTeX-texmf print/tex-texmflocal textproc/qt4-xml > x11-toolkits/qt4-gui multimedia/dvdauthor graphics/evince > devel/libglade2 devel/py-gobject graphics/py-cairo > misc/gnome-icon-theme print/libspectre x11-fm/nautilus > x11-toolkits/py-gtk2 x11-toolkits/unique x11/gnome-desktop www/firefox > sysutils/gkrellm2 security/gnome-keyring math/gnuplot > x11-toolkits/wxgtk28 x11-toolkits/wxgtk28-common > multimedia/gstreamer-plugins-good x11-themes/gtk-xfce-engine > editors/libreoffice graphics/libwpg textproc/libwpd textproc/libwps > textproc/redland textproc/rasqal comms/libticables2 comms/libticalcs2 > converters/libticonv devel/libtifiles2 x11-toolkits/libxfce4gui > x11/libxklavier www/libxul multimedia/lxdvdrip multimedia/mplayer > multimedia/transcode databases/mdbtools editors/mousepad > deskutils/orage multimedia/phonon devel/dbus-qt4 sysutils/qzeitgeist > devel/qt4-qtestlib multimedia/phonon-gstreamer x11/qt4-opengl > graphics/poppler-qt4 graphics/poppler-utils devel/qt4-declarative > databases/qt4-sql devel/qt4-script graphics/qt4-svg net/qt4-network > textproc/qt4-xmlpatterns devel/qt4-scripttools www/qt4-webkit > graphics/ristretto archivers/squeeze x11-fm/thunar-vfs > emulators/tiemu3 sysutils/upower x11-wm/xfce4 audio/xfce4-mixer > misc/xfce4-appfinder print/xfce4-print sysutils/xfce4-settings > sysutils/xfce4-utils x11-wm/xfce4-desktop x11-wm/xfce4-session > x11-wm/xfce4-wm x11/xfce4-screenshooter-plugin > sysutils/xfce4-systemload-plugin x11/xorg x11/xorg-apps graphics/xsane > > > How can such a simple update break the whole system? Last time I had > to rebuild everything that depended on something because X broke, > using Xfce if it matters in this caes. > Ideas, suggestions, advice, and comments are greatly appreciated. > Otherwise, I am thinking of pulling the trigger and update to 9.0 > release and hopefully there, things will not break like here. > > Thanks and sorry for the noise, but I thought that the update was > going to work on both machines and both bombed out on the same place. > Luckily on this one, firefox at least worked to send this message. > > mplayer does not work: > > [olivares@quadcore ~]$ mplayer > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required > by "libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0" > > firefox did not work, but now does miraculously, thanks to some > miracle. I clicked on the menu link and nothing happened, I clicked > on the XFCE bottom panel to launch firefox and nothing happened, I > went to the terminal and typed firefox, and I got : > > [olivares@quadcore ~]$ firefox > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required > by "libdbus-glib-1.so.2" > > But later clicked on the menu and it worked. > > Regards, > > Antonio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 15:07:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D025A106566B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boxxxxxoq@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970F78FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so3991586iae.13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:07:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=vZfqlpHV5fz9DT6+y7BSmwjh0M7ZnzJC8mItxuvi2R0=; b=fsHmBd73QiZLF69l8Q23RJH5uIDooVt53+h09kQPBNTWMEfx6EQ/fCsi4FkKuX6vRh haE/OTOn0H3b7dLOBdlpZepvD1V6ukMCvGxDVil58s90MtOq2Bh+lLqT1B+BVLbRpGH4 wR6OKWgHjZ6RnLVUlgBdKNu8XWT9WEwB2pNdA= Received: by 10.42.138.133 with SMTP id c5mr2527065icu.52.1329403448785; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian.Belkin ([112.85.168.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch2sm8599831igb.4.2012.02.16.06.44.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:44:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:43:46 +0800 From: hugh To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120217144345.GA2812@debian.Belkin> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3C45FD.4090903@twisted.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3C45FD.4090903@twisted.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Please manually remove me from this mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:07:02 -0000 On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 05:55:41PM -0600, Troy wrote: > I have tried to get off this mailing list. 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In this way, you won't need an email confirmation for the unsubscription. -- Regards, Hugh From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 15:08:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B061065672 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013458FC1E for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdq11 with SMTP id dq11so1993753wgb.31 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:08:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1ezQK3ey9/Y52hKpODeWhyHy8iIMvuIZX6Vi6aKYVZY=; b=YCskCbkcSaYcrqfztNkrC8yF+gkr4oC5/tm3lQpk6D2K3aZ0p0Y6FXxDxXRtNtVc5m z/kvsrxv5CC9ZkhLCsR9GJzSUTMHK9r2rWEdGfjXaN7BgMtYvf0kKCOd60eRZmFX+Sov v2ykj9XyXx9ns/5PKa8Oy9Imop3EpjZewcGlE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.179.6 with SMTP id dc6mr3394476igc.15.1329404934114; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.222.227 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 07:08:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3D1049.2070006@gmail.com> References: <201202160333.q1G3XHc3043810@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4F3D1049.2070006@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:08:54 -0600 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Ryan Frederick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /lib/exec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libxfsm-4.6.so.0" amd64 FreeBSD 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:08:56 -0000 On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Ryan Frederick wrote: > It looks like others have run into this problem with avahi-app as well: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2011-July/068658.html > > A cursory search shows that uninstalling avahi-app then reinstalling should > take care of the compilation failure. Afterward you should be able to run > portmaster as shown in the error message (minus 'net/avahi-app') to finish > recompiling the ports that depend on pcre. > > Ryan > Thanks Ryan when I get home tonight, I will remove avahi-app and reinstall it and then recompile all the ports that depend on pcre. Then if successfull hopefully, I will report back. Thanks for your help & guidance. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 16:30:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCAB106564A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC2E8FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCF67C.dip.t-dialin.net [87.188.246.124]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1GFw87d094389; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:58:08 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1GG1Cvi019831; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:01:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1GG0xKW010904; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:01:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201202161601.q1GG0xKW010904@fire.js.berklix.net> To: questions@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/cv/ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:00:59 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Chip Oakley Subject: Re: Technical Support Question (fwd) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:30:24 -0000 Hi, Please keep on list so others can help you too. Forwarded from: "Julian Stacey" http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/ ------- Forwarded Message >From silverskymusic2@gmail.com Thu Feb 16 16:20:10 2012 To: "Julian H. Stacey" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173fe456d90a2504b9164537 Hi Julian and thanks for you reply. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well if you just wanted to trash the MS & not recover data ? that's easy, the fdisk within BSD install should do it, but you could always try something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0 count=1000 DO NOT TRY THAT ON ANY SYSTEM WITH ANY DATA YOU VALUE - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is what I would like to do, but windows restored to an older version where i do not remember login pswd, as mentioned. So automatically boots to the security layer and overrides the reordering in the BIOS I have phoenix BIOS to set to CD boot first I am not advanced enough to know what you mean by the "if then" statements. please enlighten. I will try using an older version per your suggestion and let you know how it goes Thanks again On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Chip Oakley wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am upgrading to BSD from windows. > > > > I am having complications with an old password from Windows that I cannot > > remember. > > > > I created an ISO Boot CD on another computer and installed it and made > sure > > to set the BIOS to boot from CD, to no avail. > > There's 2 types of PC boot CDs I believe, FreeBSD changed to the > newer method in last year or so I think (maybe just for 8.* ?), so > if yours is an older PC it might be looking for the other sort. You > could try a few years old (eg 6.* or probably 7.*) FreeBSD CDROM > for interest to see if that boots. > > > > Is there a way to access the executable files from the CD > > Question not clear. > You can access to read & execute all files from CDROM, by using the LIVEFS > (live file system) option. > > To access files on the MS partition[s], > If fdisk shows the MS still present you can also mount the MS file systems > from BSD (regardless whether BSD is booted & running from CD or hard disk) > > For that you would need either > mount -t msdosfs ..... if its an older FS or > mount -t ntfs -r ..... if its a newer NTFS > it only support read only mode, > That mount command calls eg > /sbin/mount_msdosfs > /sbin/mount_ntfs > Thats where they are on a hard disc. > If FreeBSD hasnt installed yet, you'll find them I recall under > something like /mnt2/sbin/mount_msdosfs > (I think the cd is already mounted) > If you want to write individual files on an MS NTFS you need ntfs-3g > which is partly broken (one error noted in my > http://berklix.com/~jhs/hardware/laptops/shrink/ > & a lot easier to run from a hard disk working system. > > > and overwrite > > windows for my BSD installation? > > Well if you just wanted to trash the MS & not recover data ? > that's easy, the fdisk within BSD install should do it, > but you could always try something like > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0 count=1000 > DO NOT TRY THAT ON ANY SYSTEM WITH ANY DATA YOU VALUE > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich > http://berklix.com > Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". > Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, > quoted-printable. > Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ > - -- Any attachments (WAV. MP3, PDF) files etc, contain copyrighted material that is protected under intellectual property law in the USA and internationally through the World Intellectual Property Organization in Geneva, Switzerland. Messages are for the intended recipients only and usually contain confidential information as well. If you received this message or any previous messages in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete any files or emails that may be in question. Thanks for your consideration. - --0015173fe456d90a2504b9164537 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julian and thanks for you reply.


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We= ll if you just wanted to trash the MS & not recover data ?
that's easy, the fdisk within BSD install should do it,
but you could always try something like
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/ad0 count=3D1000
DO NOT TRY THAT ON ANY SYSTEM WITH ANY DATA YOU VALUE
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This is what I would like to do,= but windows restored to an older version where i do not remember login psw= d, as mentioned.

So automatically boots to the security layer and overrides the reorderi= ng in the BIOS

 I have phoenix BIOS t= o set to CD boot first

I am not advan= ced enough to know what you mean by the "if then" statements. ple= ase enlighten.

I will try using an older version per your suggestion and let you know = how it goes

Thanks again
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs@berklix.com>= wrote:
Chip Oakley wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am upgrading to BSD from windows.
>
> I am having complications with an old password from Windows that I can= not
> remember.
>
> I created an ISO Boot CD on another computer and installed it and made= sure
> to set the BIOS to boot from CD, to no avail.

There's 2 types of PC boot CDs I believe, FreeBSD changed to the<= br> newer method in last year or so I think (maybe just for 8.* ?), so
if yours is an older PC it might be looking for the other sort. You
could try a few years old (eg 6.* or probably 7.*) FreeBSD CDROM
for interest to see if that boots.


> Is there a way to access the executable files from the CD

Question not clear.
You can access to read & execute all files from CDROM, by using the LIV= EFS
(live file system) option.

To access files on the MS partition[s],
If fdisk shows the MS still present you can also mount the MS file systems = from BSD (regardless whether BSD is booted & running from CD or hard di= sk)

For that you would need either
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mount -t msdosfs ..... =A0if its an older FS =A0 =A0 =A0or<= br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mount -t ntfs -r ..... =A0if its a newer NTFS
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0it only sup= port read only mode,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0That mount command calls eg
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/sbin/mount_msdosfs
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/sbin/mount_ntfs
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Thats where they are on a hard disc.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0If FreeBSD hasnt installed yet, you'll find them I reca= ll under
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0something like /mnt2/sbin/mount_msdosfs
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(I think the cd is already mounted)
If you want to write individual files on an MS NTFS you need ntfs-3g
which is partly broken (one error noted in my
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 http://berklix.com/~jhs/hardware/laptops/shrink/=
& a lot easier to run from a hard disk working system.

> and overwrite
> windows for my BSD installation?

Well if you just wanted to trash the MS & not recover data ?
that's easy, the fdisk within BSD install should do it,
but you could always try something like
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/ad0 count=3D1000
DO NOT TRY THAT ON ANY SYSTEM WITH ANY DATA YOU VALUE

Cheers,
Julian
--
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- --0015173fe456d90a2504b9164537-- ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 17:50:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1243C1065675 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3D88FC20 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBFB6A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.251.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1GHoJtQ095148; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:50:20 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1GHrOp0020266; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:53:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1GHr5wT011479; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:53:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Robert Bonomi From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:54:22 CST." <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:53:05 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Chip Oakley Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:50:23 -0000 > You claim to have made a CD on nother machine. Will _that_ machine boot from > the CD you made? If not, you made the CD incorrectly. Good point Chip Oakley Please first make sure you are subscribed to this list freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, as I see you have fallen off cc list. BTW a delayed archive of this & other lists in on the web. Next check the MD5 checksum of your boot media. Next also realise some drives cant read what other drives had written, sometimes that maybe alignement or dirt on the optics, someties it simply cos eg some old drives cant read those half see through RW media, sometime some old drives cant read an RW media. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 19:11:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22CD106564A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:11:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from silverskymusic2@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7637E8FC19 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so3037900bkc.13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:11:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6s+NzH1B4iE6VprTiYlfRxv/pwiA8vtUVd1Zr5rGSwY=; b=dZIYb0fVHidsFXkLxKviCkLWD6AbcGcofx6EEXtsgiVhW0kPE9tHuXVKfKv1d/OoDO Nr5God+Kjv6RBn6bjvMaoRzFAJnUpDDhkQRO1xASLeD2fg9LXeGYY+6EcFE2iyYVaE2W R7BC7chCStB5MMYVIOoADqZc5ANIER9ZEZx58= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.129.130 with SMTP id hi2mr2278359bkc.98.1329419516502; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:11:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.76.65 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:11:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chip Oakley To: "Julian H. Stacey" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:11:59 -0000 Thanks for your reply. The boot CD will boot on the other machine, but not on the computer for my intended install of BSD. I set the boot order to boot first from CD ROM in phoenix BIOS. It is a Samsung Laptop it is windows 7 home edition I called Samsung and they have no information on overriding a windows password only restoring to an older version which got my here in the first place. There is a prompt at Startup stating press any key to boot from CD. Pressing any key only leads to that same screen in windows asking for the password, except for the function keys that lead to BIOS configuration. Am tempted to remove the drive and insert a new one, not sure as there is memory on the drive available and nothing really wrong with it. Cant imagine there is not a fix somewhere. Any other ideas? Regards On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > You claim to have made a CD on nother machine. Will _that_ machine boot > from > > the CD you made? If not, you made the CD incorrectly. > > > Good point > Chip Oakley > Please first make sure you are subscribed to this list > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, > as I see you have fallen off cc list. > BTW a delayed archive of this & other lists in on the web. > > Next check the MD5 checksum of your boot media. > > Next also realise some drives cant read what other drives had written, > sometimes that maybe alignement or dirt on the optics, > someties it simply cos eg some old drives cant read those half see through > RW media, sometime some old drives cant read an RW media. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich > http://berklix.com > Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". > Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, > quoted-printable. > Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ > -- Any attachments (WAV. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 19:48:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA3B106564A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E858FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so3091060bkc.13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:48:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Xmk9wOhsoP/glogaS4YVVK1TJnIs4pXWpCuRPNjBTnk=; b=HaNYZNphesssVTxre6ykfQXncPEauZwdU7USqxtTmfuujDSyM0mBhUoI1ziwsSVCjp I8PARPWH+J7sRx4Bwr57/UyZQ+pQwoyQgExu9Azhb6PqtoMKhgVkqsiXny9QpO6PAEac 07SsbyMrDBX3kDefpiQCN5TeGeUf77zIUsQW8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.150.91 with SMTP id x27mr2479890bkv.65.1329421693628; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.62.70 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:48:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:48:13 -0600 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Chip Oakley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:48:15 -0000 On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Chip Oakley wrote: > > There is a prompt at Startup stating press any key to boot from CD. > This message usually originates from a Windows boot CD, not a FreeBSD one. Is there more than one CDROM in the system? -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 20:02:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ED21065670 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from silverskymusic2@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F066B8FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so3112666bkc.13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:02:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hZY43Zr1q7A2dDNQnFQF39/h8RgevP73cWXq+4hiPyk=; b=edDX5bQFYAVUGD+GOjHW+kv/c8CZ+rsijUgWqHvI+UUcWYgOxyudf+3BoEb1wWTbcV LrOpL8Omv3DuaUF82gvr+dV2ALQZFd9EN7B7h/USlKlsF9Y5H4LVton2uvuu02SwPrER zwn9bERwLhD1uMlJ3g+7rs4A/imWCL59DSdhY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.151.11 with SMTP id a11mr2434109bkw.134.1329422564897; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.76.65 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:02:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:02:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chip Oakley To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:02:46 -0000 No, unfort. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Chip Oakley wrote: > >> >> There is a prompt at Startup stating press any key to boot from CD. >> > > This message usually originates from a Windows boot CD, not a FreeBSD > one. Is there more than one CDROM in the system? > > -- > Adam Vande More > -- Any attachments (WAV. MP3, PDF) files etc, contain copyrighted material that is protected under intellectual property law in the USA and internationally through the World Intellectual Property Organization in Geneva, Switzerland. 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(v4.0.24) Professional Organization: =?windows-1251?B?188gyu7t/Oru4iwgRnJlZUxpbmU=?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <941604851.20120216224122@yandex.ru> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: which media type I must use when booting ISO from grub X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?yu7t/Oru4iDF4uPl7ejp?= List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:41:35 -0000 HI I want to install freebse and boot it from grub as: title FreeBSD 8.0 (USB) map --mem (hd0,0)/iso/FreeBSD8.iso (hd32) map --hook chainloader (hd32) boot Which media type I must use when choosing 'media type' in menu? as one way to solve problem is extract 8.2-RELEASE and packages directories to root of FlashDrive. but how to skip coping files from .iso? -- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êîíüêîâ mailto:kes-kes@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 22:23:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7DB106564A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:23:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CFA8FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBFB6A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.251.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1GMNQsN097144; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:23:26 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1GMQRL2021326; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:26:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1GMQFaH013289; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:26:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201202162226.q1GMQFaH013289@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Chip Oakley From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:11:56 EST." Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:26:15 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:23:29 -0000 > Am tempted to remove the drive and insert a new one, not sure as there is > memory on the drive available and nothing really wrong with it. I suggest temporarily disconnect data cable of old disc, (no need to unscrew it & replace with another hard disc yet), Then push reset, & see if the raw PC + BIOS is capable of reading & booting the FreeBSD CD with No hard disc. If PC still cant boot the FreeBSD CD, see if PC can boot some/any other bootable CD eg another BSD Linux MS whatever, any CD been proved bootable on other machines. Take it small step by step, decouple the questions can that PC read any cdroms can that PC read that particular cdrom can that PC boot from cdroms can that PC boot from that particular cdroms does the BIOS correctly use the specified boot order or ignore it. Some BIOSES are weird, / cussid. I think I met one where if one didnt tell it to boot off floppy it would not boot off cd either, or similar.) I certainly met one where PC just wouldnt work right after I reviewed & set every damn option on every page. Then I reset to boot defaults (slow) then to defaults optimised, then I reset every option as I wanted it, then the PC worked fine. What that told me is that BIOS in its default reset, was resetting some values that it then never l;ater displayed in its menus. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 22:27:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D3A106566C for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:27:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech.junk@myfairpoint.net) Received: from mail10c26.carrierzone.com (mail10c26-2170.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458788FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:27:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: tech.junk.myfairpoint.net Received: from tardis.cinnet (pool-72-71-207-176.cncdnh.fast03.myfairpoint.net [72.71.207.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail10c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1GLnR84021153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:49:27 -0500 From: sean User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=rUjTnvnFbpz+St6OnRxmVmpilzVLXDkrHtRlAnI0xh0= c=1 sm=1 a=ARgoipcozPkA:10 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=qiV6Z9L8f1sA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:17 a=1uaTfh2U7rgniqKF7VkA:9 a=TqYFnXFISBeApSDdW6sA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4F3D79EB.00FB,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tech.junk@myfairpoint.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:27:54 -0000 Hello All, I am trying to get the Adobe Linux Flash working with Firefox. I have followed the directions in the browser handbook section. -"kldstat" shows "linux.ko", and "linprocfs.ko". -"df" lists "linprocfs" mounted on "/compat/linux/proc" I created the symlink from "libflashplayer.so" to the browser_plugins location, and the symlink is listed. Doing some searching on the problem I came across a mention that the /compat directory needs to be symlinked to /usr/compat so I added that in. I ran the "nspluginwrapper" command it searches the correct directories but does complain of "ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found" several times. The "IceadTea-Web Plugin" and the "Swfdec" plugin is listed in Firefox's "About:Plugins" page. In fact I can see the "swfdec-plugin" alongside the "libflashplayer.so" and the "npwrapper.libflashplayer.so" in the "/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins" directory. The system itself, a fresh install of FreeBSD 9 amd64. Might it be the 64 bit would be causing problems? Thanks in advance, Sean From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 22:43:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83941065670 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:43:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0618FC0A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q1GMmbGK054148 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:48:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:48:37 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201202162248.q1GMmbGK054148@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:43:50 -0000 Chip Oakley wrote: > > Thanks for your reply. > > The boot CD will boot on the other machine, but not on the computer for my > intended install of BSD. > > I set the boot order to boot first from CD ROM in phoenix BIOS. > > It is a Samsung Laptop it is windows 7 home edition I called Samsung and > they have no information on overriding a windows password only restoring to > an older version which got my here in the first place. > > There is a prompt at Startup stating press any key to boot from CD. > Pressing any key only leads to that same screen in windows asking for the > password, except for the function keys that lead to BIOS configuration. > > Am tempted to remove the drive and insert a new one, not sure as there is > memory on the drive available and nothing really wrong with it. > > Cant imagine there is not a fix somewhere. First things first. 1) DOUBLE CHECK the CD you're trying to boot from. Make sure it boots in the other machine, *and* what O/S it boots into. 2) Go into the BIOS settings on the Samsung -- look at _all_ the settings. especially for the 'boot device' list. Make sure you are *not* trying to boot from a 'recovery partition', or 'installation disk' choice. Better yet, tell us _exactly_ how all the boot device options read, IN the order they are displayed. 3) IF you can, _remove_ the hard disk from the list of boot devices. If not, *disable* the IDE device probing/disk type for the disks, but leave the CD drive active.. 4) now try booting -without- a CD in the drive. The 'desired outcome' is a '*failure* to boot' message -- with a fair chance that it will ask you to insert a bootable disk and retry. 5) If it gives a retry option, put the CD in the drive and do what it says to retry. If no retry option, put the CD in the drive, and give it the well known three-finger salute. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 23:03:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1249C106566B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8394B8FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CCD5C28 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:17:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1CAF5C22 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:16:59 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3D8A28.3060901@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:58:48 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:03:35 -0000 On 02/17/12 05:11, Chip Oakley wrote: > Thanks for your reply. > > The boot CD will boot on the other machine, but not on the computer for my > intended install of BSD. > > I set the boot order to boot first from CD ROM in phoenix BIOS. > > It is a Samsung Laptop it is windows 7 home edition I called Samsung and > they have no information on overriding a windows password only restoring to > an older version which got my here in the first place. > > There is a prompt at Startup stating press any key to boot from CD. > Pressing any key only leads to that same screen in windows asking for the > password, except for the function keys that lead to BIOS configuration. > > Am tempted to remove the drive and insert a new one, not sure as there is > memory on the drive available and nothing really wrong with it. > > Cant imagine there is not a fix somewhere. > > Any other ideas? Look, these new laptop BIOS' can be most frustrating. Try a USB install using the memstick img - thats how I installed finally. I got jack of the messing about with the security measures they take on laptops these days. For reference, the boot settings in BIOS are pretty dynamic on the laptops now, so if you set the boot order it may change the next time you reboot from whatever you're doing. It _should_ let you do what you want once you exit BIOS though. And make sure of the boot order, it may be confusing. If you know someone who knows BIOS better, use them to help. Also look for a boot order key when you do boot up, this will do for a temp measure but you will have to be quick. You should probably make a decision about what you're going to do with the restore partition as well. You can make the disks on CD/DVD if you want so you can restore later, then dump it. Be aware (in this decision) that manufacturers can be real shits about *not* having Windows installed when you warranty repair. You may not want to have the fights like I have. Their policies _are_ illegal, but sometimes you may not want to have that particular argument... :) > > Regards > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >>> You claim to have made a CD on nother machine. Will _that_ machine boot >> from >>> the CD you made? If not, you made the CD incorrectly. >> >> Good point >> Chip Oakley >> Please first make sure you are subscribed to this list >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, >> as I see you have fallen off cc list. >> BTW a delayed archive of this& other lists in on the web. >> >> Next check the MD5 checksum of your boot media. >> >> Next also realise some drives cant read what other drives had written, >> sometimes that maybe alignement or dirt on the optics, >> someties it simply cos eg some old drives cant read those half see through >> RW media, sometime some old drives cant read an RW media. >> >> Cheers, >> Julian >> -- >> Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich >> http://berklix.com >> Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script,& indent with "> ". >> Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, >> quoted-printable. >> Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 23:06:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667B3106564A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CD28FC1B for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515CC5C28; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:19:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DC9C5C22; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:19:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3D8AC8.10300@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:01:28 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chip Oakley Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:06:14 -0000 On 02/17/12 05:11, Chip Oakley wrote: > Thanks for your reply. > > The boot CD will boot on the other machine, but not on the computer for my > intended install of BSD. > > I set the boot order to boot first from CD ROM in phoenix BIOS. > > It is a Samsung Laptop it is windows 7 home edition I called Samsung and > they have no information on overriding a windows password only restoring to > an older version which got my here in the first place. > > There is a prompt at Startup stating press any key to boot from CD. > Pressing any key only leads to that same screen in windows asking for the > password, except for the function keys that lead to BIOS configuration. > > Am tempted to remove the drive and insert a new one, not sure as there is > memory on the drive available and nothing really wrong with it. > > Cant imagine there is not a fix somewhere. > > Any other ideas? Look, these new laptop BIOS' can be most frustrating. Try a USB install using the memstick img - thats how I installed finally. I got jack of the messing about with the security measures they take on laptops these days. For reference, the boot settings in BIOS are pretty dynamic on the laptops now, so if you set the boot order it may change the next time you reboot from whatever you're doing. It _should_ let you do what you want once you exit BIOS though. And make sure of the boot order, it may be confusing. If you know someone who knows BIOS better, use them to help. Also look for a boot order key at boot up, this will change the boot order temporarily but you will have to be quick. You should probably make a decision about what you're going to do with the restore partition as well. You can make the disks on CD/DVD if you want so you can restore later, then dump it. Be aware (in this decision) that manufacturers can be real shits about *not* having Windows installed when you warranty repair. You may not want to have the fights like I have. Their policies _are_ illegal, but sometimes you may not want to have that particular argument... :) > Regards > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >>> You claim to have made a CD on nother machine. Will _that_ machine boot >> from >>> the CD you made? If not, you made the CD incorrectly. >> Good point >> Chip Oakley >> Please first make sure you are subscribed to this list >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, >> as I see you have fallen off cc list. >> BTW a delayed archive of this& other lists in on the web. >> >> Next check the MD5 checksum of your boot media. >> >> Next also realise some drives cant read what other drives had written, >> sometimes that maybe alignement or dirt on the optics, >> someties it simply cos eg some old drives cant read those half see through >> RW media, sometime some old drives cant read an RW media. >> >> Cheers, >> Julian >> -- >> Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich >> http://berklix.com >> Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script,& indent with "> ". >> Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, >> quoted-printable. >> Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix.http://berklix.org/yahoo/ >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 23:18:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96A8106566C for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:18:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1158FC0A for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1GNIV37010732; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:18:31 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-172-52.as13285.net [92.22.172.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1GNIVRl010724; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:18:31 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2C5FA33C1F; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:18:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:18:31 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: sean Message-ID: <20120216231831.GA58266@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:18:34 -0000 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 04:49:27PM -0500, sean wrote: > > Hello All, >=20 > I am trying to get the Adobe Linux Flash working with Firefox. > I have followed the directions in the browser handbook section. >=20 > -"kldstat" shows "linux.ko", and "linprocfs.ko". > -"df" lists "linprocfs" mounted on "/compat/linux/proc" >=20 > I created the symlink from "libflashplayer.so" to the browser_plugins=20 > location, and the symlink is listed. >=20 > Doing some searching on the problem I came across a mention that the=20 > /compat directory needs to be symlinked to /usr/compat so I added that in. >=20 > I ran the "nspluginwrapper" command it searches the correct directories= =20 > but does complain of "ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found"=20 > several times. >=20 > The "IceadTea-Web Plugin" and the "Swfdec" plugin is listed in Firefox's= =20 > "About:Plugins" page. >=20 > In fact I can see the "swfdec-plugin" alongside the "libflashplayer.so"= =20 > and the "npwrapper.libflashplayer.so" in the=20 > "/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins" directory. >=20 > The system itself, a fresh install of FreeBSD 9 amd64. > Might it be the 64 bit would be causing problems? >=20 > Thanks in advance, > Sean Starting with the obvious: did you install emulators/linux_base-f10? $ pkg_info | grep linux should show a load of linux ports. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk89jsYACgkQHduKvUAgeK4wKwCgl87DwtT6lN2/a5n4vWFwZf1A A4YAoLEZM7yVBEimye+NNkSCaLPQA7cr =i96P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 16 23:56:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3881065675 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:56:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech.junk@myfairpoint.net) Received: from mail14c26.carrierzone.com (mail14c26-2170.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB3E8FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:56:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: tech.junk.myfairpoint.net Received: from cinnur.home (pool-72-71-207-176.cncdnh.fast03.myfairpoint.net [72.71.207.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail14c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1GNuBpt003742 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:56:13 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: sean In-Reply-To: <20120216231831.GA58266@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:56:11 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3CD2156E-2C80-4176-9EF5-3DFDD8F05E11@myfairpoint.net> References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> <20120216231831.GA58266@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=NRKtasisccMsNoLgPRT9fHRNQM/A7yzCNtmsblv4xfs= c=1 sm=1 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:17 a=zLuDelTfJDQSRjSB4UsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4F3D97A0.0036,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:56:17 -0000 On Feb 16, 2012, at 6:18 PM, Frank Shute wrote: > > Starting with the obvious: did you install emulators/linux_base-f10? > > $ pkg_info | grep linux > > should show a load of linux ports. > It sure does show many Linux ports, including "linux_base-f10-10_4" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 00:01:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FD11065673 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:01:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FE28FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1H01RPt047724; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q1H01RmA047721; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:01:26 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: sean In-Reply-To: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> Message-ID: References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:01:27 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:01:28 -0000 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, sean wrote: > I am trying to get the Adobe Linux Flash working with Firefox. > I have followed the directions in the browser handbook section. > > -"kldstat" shows "linux.ko", and "linprocfs.ko". > -"df" lists "linprocfs" mounted on "/compat/linux/proc" > > I created the symlink from "libflashplayer.so" to the browser_plugins > location, and the symlink is listed. > > Doing some searching on the problem I came across a mention that the /compat > directory needs to be symlinked to /usr/compat so I added that in. > > I ran the "nspluginwrapper" command it searches the correct directories but > does complain of "ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found" several > times. > > The "IceadTea-Web Plugin" and the "Swfdec" plugin is listed in Firefox's > "About:Plugins" page. Deinstall swfdec, two flash players will probably keep either from working. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 00:42:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD60106567B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050FD8FC12 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0FFB7E8049B; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:42:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:42:48 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20120217004244.GA22730@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: note on my messed up 2003 dell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 00:42:50 -0000 guys, this is just a FWIW, but it's worth bearing in mind. i just tried to change the bios settings so that the old computer would boot from CD first. no-joy. long-story short, months in the garage or just-age must have ruined this box. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Voice By Computer (for Universal Access): http:/www.thought.org/vbc The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 01:03:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2245106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech.junk@myfairpoint.net) Received: from mail28c26.carrierzone.com (mailc26-lb1-ajip.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628568FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:03:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: tech.junk.myfairpoint.net Received: from cinnur.home (pool-72-71-207-176.cncdnh.fast03.myfairpoint.net [72.71.207.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail28c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1H13Wsq028426 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:03:34 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: sean In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:03:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=0EXi+CXgsfAduPhprmmD8KBMu83bRlin8VVsYxGsqUQ= c=1 sm=1 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:17 a=ycCduGPTBrl-rAybkCgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4F3DA769.0066,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:03:38 -0000 On Feb 16, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Warren Block wrote: >>=20 >=20 > Deinstall swfdec, two flash players will probably keep either from = working. >=20 The Linux flash version was what I had installed first and was not = present. I installed swfdec afterwards afterwards to see if it would list, which = if course it does. I will remove it if you think it will help with troubleshooting?= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 01:38:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4876106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5758E8FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB315C28 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:51:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80A035C22 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:51:46 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3DAE6F.3040706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:33:35 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> In-Reply-To: <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:38:22 -0000 On 02/17/12 11:03, sean wrote: > On Feb 16, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> Deinstall swfdec, two flash players will probably keep either from working. >> > The Linux flash version was what I had installed first and was not present. > I installed swfdec afterwards afterwards to see if it would list, which if course it does. > > I will remove it if you think it will help with troubleshooting? I don't think it will change much, as they will both simply show up in the about:plugins. Problem, I think lies, in the symlink. You don't need it, kill it and run nspluginwrapper - the only flash file in your browser plugins directory should be prefixed with npwrapper. There may be an issue with nspluginwrapper (currently being discussed - can anyone confirm if its similar?) that has to resolved. Just to check, can you run `find /usr/local/ | grep ld-linux.so` and see if it comes up? It could show ld-linux.so or the same followed by a number. Copy the result here. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 01:40:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6E9106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:40:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DEE8FC1D for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14B91703E for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:21:42 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <4F3DABA6.9090402@hdk5.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:21:42 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Is the list down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:40:03 -0000 I have not seen any action in 2 days. -- ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 01:54:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6303106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:54:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E61B8FC19 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4AF5C28 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:07:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DEBD5C22 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:07:48 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3DB231.7010607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:49:37 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3DABA6.9090402@hdk5.net> In-Reply-To: <4F3DABA6.9090402@hdk5.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Is the list down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:54:23 -0000 On 02/17/12 11:21, Al Plant wrote: > I have not seen any action in 2 days. There's been plenty of action in the last 2 days. Maybe check your mail server logs for errors? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 02:22:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD971065675 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danielsh@apache.org) Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFAAD8FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 52416 invoked by uid 99); 17 Feb 2012 02:22:33 -0000 Received: from minotaur.apache.org (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:22:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (HELO daniel3.local) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username danielsh, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:22:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:22:20 +0200 From: Daniel Shahaf To: George Kontostanos Message-ID: <20120217022220.GA19604@daniel3.local> References: <20120214044816.GA18161@daniel3.local> <20120215003110.GA32543@daniel3.local> <20120215174811.GA14636@daniel3.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zroot won't mount after 9.0-RC2 -> 9.0-RELEASE upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:22:34 -0000 George -- thanks for the reply -- I've been a bit busy with other things so I haven't got around to testing it yet. I'll update this list once I've done so. Thanks again. Daniel From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 04:30:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBC01065675 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from info@superbvpn.com) Received: from vpn.astrahosting.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:e00:ffff:fffd:f66d:4ff:fe39:b66d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D388FC17 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from m31501.wwwsrv.eu ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.superbvpn.com) by vpn.astrahosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RyFSK-0005uk-3L for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:30:00 +0100 Received: from 93.86.106.168 ([93.86.106.168]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user info@superbvpn.com) by www.superbvpn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:30:00 +0100 Message-ID: <69f2d8375c1d0ef5df154844ddddda61.squirrel@www.superbvpn.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:30:00 +0100 From: info@superbvpn.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vpn.astrahosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - superbvpn.com Cc: Subject: Website Listing X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:30:03 -0000 Hello, Is there any way to get my website listed on this page: http://www.freebsd.org/fr/gallery/cgallery.html Best Regards, Ivan Cvetic From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 05:20:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327A3106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:20:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kingedgar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8228FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by daec6 with SMTP id c6so3234378dae.13 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:20:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=bf3PwuDBVAC8SAwyRy5v2xfihb0fuc95ADiyJucMARM=; b=NauoQBy6q5C2FI+SszeVyzCNRnzqMUn/Ly0zPeX4yiWMnLpbe5mtCQncLc3cBqQMDs XZ6xUNp4I/J5tKP/erhdrwFUnpYQAWKCUEdWIm6QjrI6KCSvnZmpvh6p26LjBKJY+Sip ckY0khYblm6dYbA6SGNqTo2tbCqG+PAbwx7Cw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.74.197 with SMTP id w5mr20265018pbv.129.1329454375465; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.200.70 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:52:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120217004244.GA22730@thought.org> References: <20120217004244.GA22730@thought.org> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:52:55 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jason Garrett To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: note on my messed up 2003 dell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:20:40 -0000 On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 18:42, Gary Kline wrote: > > guys, this is just a FWIW, but it's worth bearing in mind. i just > tried to change the bios settings so that the old computer would > boot from CD first. no-joy. long-story short, months in the garage > or just-age must have ruined this box. > > Age, moisture, bugs... all equal dead machines. Been through it before :( > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service > Unix > Voice By Computer (for Universal Access): http:/www.thought.org/vbc > The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 06:09:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822FC106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@passap.ru) Received: from forward13.mail.yandex.net (forward13.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0147A8FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp13.mail.yandex.net (smtp13.mail.yandex.net [95.108.130.68]) by forward13.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 701BF142CE6 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:09:27 +0400 (MSK) Received: from smtp13.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp13.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 5ED46E402DB for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:09:27 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 87.249.28.58.tel.ru (87.249.28.58.tel.ru [87.249.28.58]) by smtp13.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id 9Q6emlfa-9R6e4r7C; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:09:27 +0400 X-Yandex-Spam: 1 Message-ID: <4F3DEF17.8060602@passap.ru> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:09:27 +0400 From: Boris Samorodov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120214 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> In-Reply-To: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:09:29 -0000 On 17.02.2012 01:49, sean wrote: > Hello All, > > I am trying to get the Adobe Linux Flash working with Firefox. > I have followed the directions in the browser handbook section. > > -"kldstat" shows "linux.ko", and "linprocfs.ko". > -"df" lists "linprocfs" mounted on "/compat/linux/proc" > > I created the symlink from "libflashplayer.so" to the browser_plugins > location, and the symlink is listed. Hm, I've just checked up The Handbook, Section 7.2.3. And should note that I've never created a link to пуе flash plugin working. Is this step really needed? > Doing some searching on the problem I came across a mention that the > /compat directory needs to be symlinked to /usr/compat so I added that in. > > I ran the "nspluginwrapper" command it searches the correct directories > but does complain of "ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found" > several times. > > The "IceadTea-Web Plugin" and the "Swfdec" plugin is listed in Firefox's > "About:Plugins" page. > > In fact I can see the "swfdec-plugin" alongside the "libflashplayer.so" > and the "npwrapper.libflashplayer.so" in the > "/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins" directory. > > The system itself, a fresh install of FreeBSD 9 amd64. > Might it be the 64 bit would be causing problems? -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 08:19:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89141106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433E08FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RyJ2m-00066a-T9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:19:52 +0100 Received: from np-19-75.prenet.pl ([np-19-75.prenet.pl]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:19:52 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by np-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:19:52 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 13 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1) Subject: fb9 - dmesg - bluetooth and netgraph warnings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:19:54 -0000 Hi, I have these warnings. Any known cause and solution ? FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 $ dmesg ... ubt0: on usbus0 WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize() ... jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 08:20:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A1C1065690 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.todd@internet.co.nz) Received: from frigg.iconz.co.nz (etrn.iconz.co.nz [210.48.22.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5888FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by frigg.iconz.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32365C02C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:58:09 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigg.iconz.co.nz Received: from frigg.iconz.co.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (frigg.iconz.co.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V1QtGovGVFvO for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:58:09 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail.internet.co.nz (mail.internet.co.nz [210.48.22.150]) by frigg.iconz.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 453685C027 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:58:09 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (qmail 5921 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2012 20:58:09 +1300 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (210.185.18.59) by mail.internet.co.nz with SMTP; 17 Feb 2012 20:58:09 +1300 From: The Todds To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:59:19 +1300 Message-ID: <1329465559.7427.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Google+ install Hangout Voice and Video Plug-in X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:20:10 -0000 Hi, I was wondering whether it would possible to get Google+ Hangout running on Freebsd. I am running firefox-10.0,1 installed from the ports on FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0:amd64 Trying to install the plugin from the Google+ page and I get an almost finished message, but that is as far as it goes. I understand that Google+ is only supported on Windows XP+, Mac OS X 10.5+ or Linux, but what would it take, or is it even possible to get it working on Freebsd? Glenn From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 08:43:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A691065670 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088E78FC12 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1RyIv4-0003Ja-8U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:11:54 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:11:47 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: freebsd questions Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on Dell R210 II With PERC H200 Controllers Thread-Index: AQHM7UvKJGf3ohMD4k6tmxo9kPqt6g== Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:11:45 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.14.0.111121 x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FreeBSD on Dell R210 II With PERC H200 Controllers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:43:52 -0000 Hi List Is there a version of freebsd (preferably 8 upwards) that supports the PER= C H200 controller on Dell R210 II servers ? I've followed the thread at: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.stable/74192 But it seems somewhat inconclusive. Thanks in Advance, Traiano From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 08:52:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA331065678 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:52:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D21A8FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152F35C28 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:05:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 987FD5C22 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:05:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3E142C.2090009@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:47:40 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1329465559.7427.9.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1329465559.7427.9.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Google+ install Hangout Voice and Video Plug-in X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:52:27 -0000 On 02/17/12 17:59, The Todds wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering whether it would possible to get Google+ Hangout running > on Freebsd. > > I am running firefox-10.0,1 installed from the ports on FreeBSD > 8.2-STABLE #0:amd64 > > Trying to install the plugin from the Google+ page and I get an almost > finished message, but that is as far as it goes. I understand that > Google+ is only supported on Windows XP+, Mac OS X 10.5+ or Linux, but > what would it take, or is it even possible to get it working on Freebsd? Possibly just nspluginwrapper if it works on linux, but it depends on what it actually needs in terms of calls and libraries. If your lucky and can get the src you may get it working natively. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 08:53:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A2E106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:53:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C608FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D385C2D for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:07:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 54B4D5C28 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:07:08 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3E1478.3010905@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:48:56 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: fb9 - dmesg - bluetooth and netgraph warnings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:53:43 -0000 On 02/17/12 18:19, jb wrote: > Hi, > > I have these warnings. Any known cause and solution ? > FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 > $ dmesg > ... > ubt0: on usbus0 > WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() > WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize() They should be fine, they're normal (apparently) for bluetooth running on FBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 09:15:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD7F106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:15:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A32A8FC16 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so2703832wer.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.100.33 with SMTP id ev1mr2733948wib.3.1329470123506; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.26.186.212] ([92.90.20.7]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm6185062wix.10.2012.02.17.01.15.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:15:22 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:14:41 +0100 To: Traiano Welcome X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm0z08srPqzmr6ZL/z+aZK3G1e2p0/uACDWg/jmikEReUJ5PEstJ10nJYjKuG58+ZViY2kl Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell R210 II With PERC H200 Controllers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:15:25 -0000 Sorry top post, posting from phone. 8.2-stable, 9.0-release, will post a link with a tutorial when I hit my desk= On 17 Feb 2012, at 09:11, Traiano Welcome wrote: > Hi List >=20 > Is there a version of freebsd (preferably 8 upwards) that supports the PER= C H200 controller on Dell R210 II servers ? I've followed the thread at: >=20 > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.stable/74192 >=20 > But it seems somewhat inconclusive. >=20 > Thanks in Advance, > Traiano >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 09:33:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2525F106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:33:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (unknown [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11068FC15 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id q1H9XAJm033386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:33:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id q1H9XApo033385; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:33:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA09971; Fri, 17 Feb 12 01:28:05 PST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:26:55 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: silverskymusic2@gmail.com Message-Id: <4f3e7fcf.HAl2rACbehr3sfWu%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jhs@berklix.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:33:22 -0000 Chip Oakley wrote: > Am tempted to remove the drive and insert a new one, not sure as > there is memory on the drive available and nothing really wrong > with it. If you don't mind losing everything currently on the drive, overwriting the MBR -- and the backup GPT at the end of the drive, if the BIOS supports GPT/UEFI -- would surely keep it from booting into Windows. You'd probably have to take the drive out, and connect it to a different machine (since this one's BIOS seems hardwired to boot only from the hard drive). Another possibility would be to clear the machine's CMOS, if there's a way to do that. Desktop mainboards usually have a jumper for the purpose; dunno about Samsung laptops but removing the CMOS battery and giving it a few minutes for the stray capacitance to discharge should suffice. (Getting to the CMOS battery may involve taking the case apart.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 09:54:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F3B106567C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:54:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C2D8FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1RyKWf-0005lx-23; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:54:49 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:54:41 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: Damien Fleuriot Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on Dell R210 II With PERC H200 Controllers Thread-Index: AQHM7UvKJGf3ohMD4k6tmxo9kPqt6pZArQqAgAAstIA= Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:54:41 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.14.0.111121 x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3D17A966F683CA4CAEF9D61F1FF5E35A@int.mtnbusiness.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell R210 II With PERC H200 Controllers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:54:54 -0000 On 17/02/2012 11:14, "Damien Fleuriot" wrote: >Sorry top post, posting from phone. > >8.2-stable, 9.0-release, will post a link with a tutorial when I hit my >desk Thanks, Damien! Much appreciated! > > >On 17 Feb 2012, at 09:11, Traiano Welcome > wrote: > >> Hi List >>=20 >> Is there a version of freebsd (preferably 8 upwards) that supports the >>PERC H200 controller on Dell R210 II servers ? I've followed the thread >>at: >>=20 >> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.stable/74192 >>=20 >> But it seems somewhat inconclusive. >>=20 >> Thanks in Advance, >> Traiano >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Traiano From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 09:58:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18479106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from silverskymusic2@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905678FC12 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so3826695bkc.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:58:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Kdmh1S/NIoabBYkl4XZVnVI/RVI0E9mtuynZHPM7f04=; b=wiqoCsic3AKPLh++rXve4URkjbb2rVtNbcPHQauAbcycx7YzIgY2D0rlnha1xL/1Jb K4ych6WFdJ4tfwPUUxR1MyS+wqsxUAJlRxX7NfSxLUcit59C2uout+u507SLHKq0SXVI JQ/RxVEJ7jrfQvbEgu5wbMjsXlzAfPz9KpNlk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.128.202 with SMTP id l10mr3823004bks.116.1329472722566; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.76.65 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:58:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4f3e7fcf.HAl2rACbehr3sfWu%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> <4f3e7fcf.HAl2rACbehr3sfWu%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:58:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chip Oakley To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: jhs@berklix.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:58:45 -0000 Thanks interesting possibilities. One thought I had is creating an operating system independent BIOS where the appropriate machine code is inserted into the events that lead to an override of the processes that is forcing into windows. Maybe burned to a CD or USB, from another computer and tie the low level to a keyboard function, Like pressing F2 etc, at boot to access new BIOS functionality. Is this possible? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM, wrote: > Chip Oakley wrote: > > > Am tempted to remove the drive and insert a new one, not sure as > > there is memory on the drive available and nothing really wrong > > with it. > > If you don't mind losing everything currently on the drive, > overwriting the MBR -- and the backup GPT at the end of the drive, > if the BIOS supports GPT/UEFI -- would surely keep it from booting > into Windows. You'd probably have to take the drive out, and > connect it to a different machine (since this one's BIOS seems > hardwired to boot only from the hard drive). > > Another possibility would be to clear the machine's CMOS, if there's > a way to do that. Desktop mainboards usually have a jumper for the > purpose; dunno about Samsung laptops but removing the CMOS battery > and giving it a few minutes for the stray capacitance to discharge > should suffice. (Getting to the CMOS battery may involve taking the > case apart.) > -- Any attachments (WAV. MP3, PDF) files etc, contain copyrighted material that is protected under intellectual property law in the USA and internationally through the World Intellectual Property Organization in Geneva, Switzerland. Messages are for the intended recipients only and usually contain confidential information as well. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 10:02:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACA1106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Traiano.Welcome@mtnbusiness.co.za) Received: from smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za (smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za [41.181.93.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437078FC17 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.30.97.135] (helo=CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net) by smtprelay01.ops.mtnbusiness.co.za with esmtp (ULTRA Special SMTP Internal Alpha) (envelope-from ) id 1RyKe9-0005xo-EN; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:02:33 +0200 Received: from CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) by CPT-EXCH01.int.mtnbusiness.net ([196.30.97.135]) with mapi id 14.01.0218.012; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:02:30 +0200 From: Traiano Welcome To: Damien Fleuriot Thread-Topic: FreeBSD on Dell R210 II With PERC H200 Controllers Thread-Index: AQHM7UvKJGf3ohMD4k6tmxo9kPqt6pZArQqAgAAu4AA= Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:02:29 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-ZA Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.14.0.111121 x-originating-ip: [196.30.72.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <37A2291DA455A745BE27C1C417610B12@int.mtnbusiness.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell R210 II With PERC H200 Controllers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:02:35 -0000 Hi Damien Additional question: On 17/02/2012 11:14, "Damien Fleuriot" wrote: >Sorry top post, posting from phone. > >8.2-stable, 9.0-release, will post a link with a tutorial when I hit my >desk A lot of these Dell R210 II's ship with the S300 PERC. Does FreeBSD have support for this controller as well? > > >On 17 Feb 2012, at 09:11, Traiano Welcome > wrote: > >> Hi List >>=20 >> Is there a version of freebsd (preferably 8 upwards) that supports the >>PERC H200 controller on Dell R210 II servers ? I've followed the thread >>at: >>=20 >> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.stable/74192 >>=20 >> But it seems somewhat inconclusive. >>=20 >> Thanks in Advance, >> Traiano >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>"freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 10:11:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D35106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:11:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brentgclarklist@gmail.com) Received: from mail1.dur1.host-h.net (mail1.dur1.host-h.net [196.7.18.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBA68FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:11:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [196.7.147.49] (helo=[192.168.1.86]) by mail1.dur1.host-h.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RyKAG-0007Wa-8P for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:31:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4F3E1E7B.7080804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:31:39 +0200 From: Brent Clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20120104 Icedove/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.3/14474/Fri Feb 17 04:26:41 2012) Cc: Subject: sysinstall cant seem to download the kernel source. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:11:07 -0000 Hiya I seem to have this problem with sysinstall, whereby I cant seem to download the kernel source. I tried following this example http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/freebsd-install-kernel-source-code/ I use "Install from an FTP server" The error message I get is "Unable to transfer the sbase distribution from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org." Does anyone know of another way to get the kernel source. Cvs or svn. Regards Brent From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 10:18:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C514B106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:18:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7558FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56AF5C28 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:32:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48A3A5C22 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:32:06 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3E2862.9010801@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:13:54 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201202160154.q1G1sMpc043081@mail.r-bonomi.com> <201202161753.q1GHr5wT011479@fire.js.berklix.net> <4f3e7fcf.HAl2rACbehr3sfWu%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Technical Support Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:18:41 -0000 On 02/17/12 19:58, Chip Oakley wrote: > Thanks interesting possibilities. > > One thought I had is creating an operating system independent BIOS where > the appropriate machine code is inserted into the events that lead to an > override of the processes that is forcing into windows. Maybe burned to a > CD or USB, from another computer and tie the low level to a keyboard > function, Like pressing F2 etc, at boot to access new BIOS functionality. > > Is this possible? I don't believe so. Its not really that hardwired to windows, not in my experience; it is a real PITA though. If you play your cards right and you know enough about BIOS you will get it. With the new laptops they really try hard to stick windows like shit on your laptop. But they can't _make_ you use it. New HP laptops (like the ones I use), can take a few goes to get it to install. Asus are about the same. Just watch your boot ordering and you will be fine. I keep reiterating using USB to install because it really does simplify matters. In the BIOS you usually find about 3 entries to set the boot order. One is to set the boot order (removable, hdd, or network), one for which removable (cdrom, usb cdrom, usb floppy, etc), and one for hdd priority (here is where your usb disk will show up, and you _will_ have to set it as boot every time, but it will boot). Set the boot order for removable, hdd, network (or disable if you like). Set the removable to cdrom. Set the hdd (temporarily because as I said it _will_ change) to the usb disk. Voila! it will start the install. I have found the cdrom to be fickle on the new laptops for booting, I'm not sure exactly why but I suspect the confusion of removable drives in the BIOS. I'm not a samsung expert, but most laptop BIOS are very similar (at least ones in the same era). #1 Get a BIOS expert to help if you can't get this figured. They will be able to show you exactly what to do in front of you in about 5-10 mins. Easier to understand if its visually shown to you rather than described. Once you jump this hurdle you will do just fine. > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM, wrote: > >> Chip Oakley wrote: >> >>> Am tempted to remove the drive and insert a new one, not sure as >>> there is memory on the drive available and nothing really wrong >>> with it. >> If you don't mind losing everything currently on the drive, >> overwriting the MBR -- and the backup GPT at the end of the drive, >> if the BIOS supports GPT/UEFI -- would surely keep it from booting >> into Windows. You'd probably have to take the drive out, and >> connect it to a different machine (since this one's BIOS seems >> hardwired to boot only from the hard drive). >> >> Another possibility would be to clear the machine's CMOS, if there's >> a way to do that. Desktop mainboards usually have a jumper for the >> purpose; dunno about Samsung laptops but removing the CMOS battery >> and giving it a few minutes for the stray capacitance to discharge >> should suffice. (Getting to the CMOS battery may involve taking the >> case apart.) >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 10:20:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABCE1065677 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867BA8FC25 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483A95C28 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:33:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24F695C22 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:33:36 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3E28BC.3090909@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:24 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3E1E7B.7080804@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3E1E7B.7080804@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sysinstall cant seem to download the kernel source. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:20:10 -0000 On 02/17/12 19:31, Brent Clark wrote: > Hiya > > I seem to have this problem with sysinstall, whereby I cant seem to > download the kernel source. > > I tried following this example > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/freebsd-install-kernel-source-code/ > > I use "Install from an FTP server" > > The error message I get is "Unable to transfer the sbase distribution > from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org." > > Does anyone know of another way to get the kernel source. > > Cvs or svn. A quick search of previous posts to this list should provide the answer you need. Try from last month I think :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 10:27:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E88106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51578FC18 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcjg1 with SMTP id jg1so3854138bkc.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.5 with SMTP id u5mr4018490bkw.84.1329474417896; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jd17sm21991084bkb.4.2012.02.17.02.26.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:26:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3E2B6F.2060707@my.gd> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:26:55 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Traiano Welcome References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm5I2Y6g6K+pBWsxxiCyCns3CBzEpa2rYeoAoRMiv7YQVZT4xL6QlgnUMlGN8jCESoxOQJ8 Cc: freebsd questions Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell R210 II With PERC H200 Controllers X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:27:00 -0000 On 2/17/12 11:02 AM, Traiano Welcome wrote: > Hi Damien > > Additional question: > > > On 17/02/2012 11:14, "Damien Fleuriot" wrote: > >> Sorry top post, posting from phone. >> >> 8.2-stable, 9.0-release, will post a link with a tutorial when I hit my >> desk > > > > A lot of these Dell R210 II's ship with the S300 PERC. Does FreeBSD have > support for this controller as well? > Regarding S300 I'm sorry, I wouldn't be able to tell, all I've been able to test was H200. So, now that I'm at work, a more detailed response regarding Dell r210 with Perc H200 raid controllers. First of all, you're going to need the mps driver which is available in 8-STABLE (8.3-PRERELEASE), 9.0-RELEASE and 9-STABLE. It is *not* available as per the stock 8.2-RELEASE iso image. Second, you're going to need to disable the hardware raid so that your disks actually appear to the OS, then create a software raid on them. This is done by hitting Ctrl+R when asked to, during the machine's boot process. Third, there has been a recent update to mps by Kashyap DESAI as published by Kenneth D. Merry: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2012-January/031358.html The update is available on 8-STABLE and 9-STABLE and it might bring hardware raid support for H200 controllers. Here are 2 links to help you getting started: - my quick drafted procedure: http://my.gd/bsd.htm - which Ollivier Robert greatly improved: http://www.keltia.net/howtos/freebsd-dedibox From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 10:54:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0B2106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6738FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so2785085wer.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:54:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=16VKgjJYLGcEs/nCebfQu6/J9Dnwoq6oIbIt9afyebw=; b=ar/nY6kuN1UV20DMThNZPNXvEXowq+u8WXNcgGWJKE/OTzjRXv1a14OkFTo521+8u7 tM3XMFhr6lLV1+NhvGU/b+Qp7PesKoEKyHykrSpQH5lrSJOwxJD8JmR6HSOTsqPE58rz /x4KAfHMg/rwCp7KyfJiVvdpw+uVxJ9lIjINo= Received: by 10.180.95.105 with SMTP id dj9mr2769190wib.18.1329476044745; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em6sm4229400wib.5.2012.02.17.02.54.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:54:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:54:01 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120217105401.3c28a3af@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3E1E7B.7080804@gmail.com> References: <4F3E1E7B.7080804@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: sysinstall cant seem to download the kernel source. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:54:06 -0000 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:31:39 +0200 Brent Clark wrote: > I use "Install from an FTP server" > > The error message I get is "Unable to transfer the sbase distribution > from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org." > > Does anyone know of another way to get the kernel source. Get it with csup and be sure to set the correct tag in your supfile (probably RELENG_9_0, for the 9.0 security branch or RELENG_9 for the stable development branch). In the long term it's simplest and safest to start from an empty src directory anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 11:10:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32DF1065687 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C568FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so5640901iae.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:10:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vB+MeKzuH7JC7rreKVaFnIRweReyRecEofvxFV2he4s=; b=H72fIHPv/z4Q6zmp4Zk578nSeSWM5FvCT/aONzhP/JMVy1hkzd31REcNt5KxHRd+3p KnZJf7j61Z7+/Lw4oT74Kl+NuFQ3BDqJkX+Voi/9nX4I/eex1G87S/VwsK3CGBEz5wPr rrpzNrud8/SrigHunhhsQE97HLf1WpSlZQ+zo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.174.71 with SMTP id u7mr6256220icz.44.1329477029035; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.222.227 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:10:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201202160333.q1G3XHc3043810@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4F3D1049.2070006@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:10:29 -0600 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: Ryan Frederick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /lib/exec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libxfsm-4.6.so.0" amd64 FreeBSD 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:10:29 -0000 On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Ryan Frederick > wrote: >> It looks like others have run into this problem with avahi-app as well: >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2011-July/068658.html >> >> A cursory search shows that uninstalling avahi-app then reinstalling should >> take care of the compilation failure. Afterward you should be able to run >> portmaster as shown in the error message (minus 'net/avahi-app') to finish >> recompiling the ports that depend on pcre. >> >> Ryan This does make the desktop work again :) I followed the advice and am back in the saddle. Some things failed to compile, but I used -x parameter to not update them. I will track those ports later. I appreciate the help and advice provided. It appears that a new pcre update hits the ports later. I wonder if it bypasses the original problem. Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 12:14:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F171065677 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry.sconetti@sconetticoncept.com) Received: from em1.elivemail.net (server88-208-208-203.live-servers.net [88.208.208.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D5B8FC22 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from THIERRY-PC (148.44.193.77.rev.sfr.net [77.193.44.148]) by em1.elivemail.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1304CF70862 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:48:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Thierry Sconetti" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: SCONETTI Concept Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:48:26 +0100 Message-Id: <20120217114826.1304CF70862@em1.elivemail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: program / Project Consultant. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:14:05 -0000 Dear, First, please accept my apologies for the disturbance. I am a Senior Consultant Infrastructure Program Manager with 20 years = experience in IM&T. I started my career with Digital in Sophia Antipol= is in 1988 and over time, made my primary focus in IT Program/Project = management. 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[87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id da8sm7199969wib.6.2012.02.17.04.19.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 04:19:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:19:41 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120217121941.006d4545@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <201202160333.q1G3XHc3043810@mail.r-bonomi.com> <4F3D1049.2070006@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /lib/exec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libpcre.so.0" not found, required by "libxfsm-4.6.so.0" amd64 FreeBSD 8.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:19:46 -0000 On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:08:54 -0600 Antonio Olivares wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Ryan Frederick > wrote: > > It looks like others have run into this problem with avahi-app as > > well: > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2011-July/068658.html > > > > A cursory search shows that uninstalling avahi-app then > > reinstalling should take care of the compilation failure. Afterward > > you should be able to run portmaster as shown in the error message > > (minus 'net/avahi-app') to finish recompiling the ports that depend > > on pcre. > > Thanks Ryan when I get home tonight, I will remove avahi-app and > reinstall it and then recompile all the ports that depend on pcre. I ran into this problem yesterday and removing avahi-ap didn't fix it for me. In the end I identified some orphaned libraries under /usr/local/ and deleting those fixed the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 12:19:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D666106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:19:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry.sconetti@sconetticoncept.com) Received: from em1.elivemail.net (server88-208-208-203.live-servers.net [88.208.208.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852D38FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from THIERRY-PC (148.44.193.77.rev.sfr.net [77.193.44.148]) by em1.elivemail.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9A6F70797 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:19:55 +0000 (GMT) From: "Thierry Sconetti" To: "1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: SCONETTI Concept Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:19:55 +0100 Message-Id: <20120217121955.4C9A6F70797@em1.elivemail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: program / Project Consultant. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:19:58 -0000 Dear, First, please accept my apologies for the disturbance. I am a Senior Consultant Infrastructure Program Manager with 20 years = experience in IM&T. I started my career with Digital in Sophia Antipol= is in 1988 and over time, made my primary focus in IT Program/Project = management. 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Jerry, I wanted to point out that PS still seems to be the format that _applications_ use as output format for printing. Even though especially office applications (such as Abiword or LibreOffice) have a built-in PDF file generator, the printing output that is sent to the printing subsystem (lpr, CUPS, whatever) is in PS format and gets converted to what the printer needs by the proper printer filter ("driver"). The "print to file" output method typically creates PS, at least on UNIX, Linux, MacOS X and other operating system families. If printers would natively support PDF data instead of unknown arbitrary commands to move the printing head - things would be MUCH LESS complicated on the OS's side. Data just needs to be generated in PDF natively, or converted from PS to PDF (simple task) by the printer filter, and then just sent to a specific network address (just as netcat could do). That would nearly eliminate the need for printer drivers I think. The only thing that comes to my mind is... how does it handle duplexing and other printer-HARDWARE specific things? Can they also be "coded" in a PDF file? Really, I like the approach of having PDF as a universal "printer language" (even though it's not 100% safe from a security point of view, but that doesn't matter on the home consumer market anyway). It would remove any need complicated things like (in my opinion) the CUPS configuration. You just need to enter the IP of the printer - done; and it doesn't even matter of this is a wired or wireless connection! Maybe even lowest-end USB devices can accept a PDF "data stream"... Think about that: % netcat 192.168.123.456 < /tmp/printing.pdf or even % cat /tmp/inkpee.pdf > /dev/ulpt0 to make the printer start printing... With standardized PDF "instructions", there would be no need for artificial OS barriers. PDF is known. No need to port any drivers, to create wrappers or jump though hoops. Note that the system's DEFAULT printing facility (the printer spooler) would be a perfect means to plug in. Printer "filters" could be easily implemented, i. e. only _one_ filter needs to be present: one that converts an application's PS to PDF and the send it to the printer's local port or IP address. All the parts needed for that task are already present (and have been for many years). Would be interesting to see how this develops. Thanks for sharing that info, sounds really good. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 13:27:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C57106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:27:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF2C8FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-244.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.244]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5D62471A; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:27:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q1HDR7OC010605; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:27:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:27:07 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20120217142707.4da1f6a2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120213193150.GA24425@thought.org> References: <20120213193150.GA24425@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: how can i offload a 600m file without graphic tools? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:27:10 -0000 On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:32:07 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > w can i move a file from my home filesystem to my one disc drive > without using a GUI? i don't have a graphic interface on my FBSD > system and want to save a 600MB file to my cdrom? > > thanks for tips on what i have Long forgotten! I hope I can interpret your question correctly: You need to burn a 600 MB file to a disc (typically a CD, but could be a DVD too)? That's quite easy: CDs typically use the ISO-9660 file system which mkisofs (from ports) creates, and a program like cdrecord or cdrdao can burn it to the media. For a DVD, growisofs will do that part. Step 1: % mkisofs -r -J -o bigfile.iso bigfile where "bigfile" is the file you want to store. The flags -r and -J make sure the file system will also be properly interpreted on non-standard systems; -o specifies the output file. Step 2: % cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speed=10 -v -eject -tao -data bigfile.iso In order to know _what_ device to record to, run % camcontrol devlist Make sure you have proper permissions to access the files in /dev that are needed. If not, use "sudo" prefix or do the required parts using "su". In the "camcontrol devlist" output, available drives will be listed. Bus, taget and LUN will form the "trinity" address that will then be used in the dev= parameter. After successful burning, % rm bigfile.iso as it's not needed anymore. You can also use a piping mechanism from mkisofs to cdrecord, but I didn't want to make it that complicated. :-) In case you need to burn a DVD because the file gets bigger than 650..700 MB, only one step is needed: % growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd -r -J bigfile In this case, /dev/dvd is a symlink to /dev/cd0 (see "camcontrol devlist" output again, but look for the associated SCSI devices). If you already have the ISO file, use % growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=bigfile.iso to record it to DVD. Note that there are other ways to store data on CDs and DVDs which are intendedly less compatible by omitting the ISO 9660 file system. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 13:38:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A4B1065670 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:38:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDEF8FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37795C22 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:51:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D869B5C2B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:51:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3E572D.6060502@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:33:33 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120212100038.412369e7@scorpio> <20120217141447.b99dda33.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120217141447.b99dda33.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:38:21 -0000 On 02/17/12 23:14, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:00:38 -0500, Jerry wrote: >> It appears that "ps" is no-longer the format of choice but is being >> replaced by PDF, a format that is natively supported by many printers. > Jerry, I wanted to point out that PS still seems to be the > format that _applications_ use as output format for printing. > Even though especially office applications (such as Abiword > or LibreOffice) have a built-in PDF file generator, the printing > output that is sent to the printing subsystem (lpr, CUPS, whatever) > is in PS format and gets converted to what the printer needs > by the proper printer filter ("driver"). > > The "print to file" output method typically creates PS, at > least on UNIX, Linux, MacOS X and other operating system > families. > > If printers would natively support PDF data instead of unknown > arbitrary commands to move the printing head - things would be > MUCH LESS complicated on the OS's side. Data just needs to be > generated in PDF natively, or converted from PS to PDF (simple > task) by the printer filter, and then just sent to a specific > network address (just as netcat could do). That would nearly > eliminate the need for printer drivers I think. The only thing > that comes to my mind is... how does it handle duplexing and > other printer-HARDWARE specific things? Can they also be "coded" > in a PDF file? > > Really, I like the approach of having PDF as a universal "printer > language" (even though it's not 100% safe from a security point > of view, but that doesn't matter on the home consumer market > anyway). It would remove any need complicated things like (in > my opinion) the CUPS configuration. You just need to enter the > IP of the printer - done; and it doesn't even matter of this > is a wired or wireless connection! Maybe even lowest-end USB > devices can accept a PDF "data stream"... > > Think about that: > > % netcat 192.168.123.456< /tmp/printing.pdf > > or even > > % cat /tmp/inkpee.pdf> /dev/ulpt0 > > to make the printer start printing... > > With standardized PDF "instructions", there would be no need > for artificial OS barriers. PDF is known. No need to port any > drivers, to create wrappers or jump though hoops. > > Note that the system's DEFAULT printing facility (the printer > spooler) would be a perfect means to plug in. Printer "filters" > could be easily implemented, i. e. only _one_ filter needs to > be present: one that converts an application's PS to PDF and > the send it to the printer's local port or IP address. All the > parts needed for that task are already present (and have been > for many years). > > Would be interesting to see how this develops. Thanks for sharing > that info, sounds really good. PDF is not exactly PS, but it does use a subset of the instructions. As near as I can tell this is how they're using it, as it is only 1.7 or so onwards. The other thing you will notice is that its mostly on MFC's, so I believe they're using the PS chipset to encode a scanned doc to PDF; I'm not sure it works the other way around, and I may even be wrong about what they're doing but I think it is very suspect. A PS chipset is only an interpreter - it cannot normally encode PS, only read a PS stream and rasterise it. But they may have extended it in only this case. As for printing PDF, maybe... time will only tell. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 13:42:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC64106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7EA8FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdq11 with SMTP id dq11so2741538wgb.31 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.79.229 with SMTP id m5mr3825686wix.6.1329486119339; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m8sm35516733wia.11.2012.02.17.05.41.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:41:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3E5925.8020004@my.gd> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:41:57 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Jeremy Chadwick , dougb@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnKc1ZApX+c/cvvw6S4Bm8gVpM5DtfMkLUET/tsYFA+iCzZoqLpTom4+pZViaKARigTnTTN Cc: Subject: DNS - slaving the root zone X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:42:01 -0000 Hello list, Jeremy, Doug, We're currently having a discussion on the FRnOG mailing list regarding the laughable announcement of an attack on the DNS root servers by Anonymous. I've kinda hijacked the thread to ask whether people slave the root zone or not, and why if not. Active poster, renowned blogger and AFNIC worker Stephane Bortzmeyer pointed out that it might not be a good idea and submitted the following discussion from 2007 as reference: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2007-August/075895.html Do you still believe slaving the root zone to be a bad idea ? I actually do it on production 8-STABLE boxes here, seems to work well enough. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 13:45:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474D21065782 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j65nko@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2468FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadz30 with SMTP id z30so929942qad.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:45:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=meksaKd2PsXk/avyzfiArAHmZxCO/GAmmPuSOnpvSik=; b=xB2QUTY71U0Ri3axWlqgZxyIzoj+hp36QnbEQLH2VtxsjOrfvVXwAXOrFF13MEgKdS Xam/UALz0k23Rg15dStqRxOyY/My1G0fPSIA2CsKKNMoB+G0RANHKsmBcVPR+kqgFXUI lT0whPkWVIN17hAE3bLc5SdtdH+qOW+ZctT64= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.69.70 with SMTP id y6mr4815992qci.48.1329484477986; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.24.17 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:14:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120217004244.GA22730@thought.org> References: <20120217004244.GA22730@thought.org> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:14:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: J65nko To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: note on my messed up 2003 dell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:45:42 -0000 Replacing the old battery with a new one usually solves this kind of problem. I just did this yesterday ;) On 2/17/12, Gary Kline wrote: > > guys, this is just a FWIW, but it's worth bearing in mind. i just > tried to change the bios settings so that the old computer would > boot from CD first. no-joy. long-story short, months in the garage > or just-age must have ruined this box. > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > Voice By Computer (for Universal Access): http:/www.thought.org/vbc > The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 13:57:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01F7106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:57:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997D08FC1E for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-244.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.244]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165503C8B9; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:57:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q1HDvcNo010964; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:57:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:57:38 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120217145738.f211687f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F3E572D.6060502@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120212100038.412369e7@scorpio> <20120217141447.b99dda33.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3E572D.6060502@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Da Rock Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:57:41 -0000 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:33:33 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > PDF is not exactly PS, but it does use a subset of the instructions. That's correct, but both formats share essential parts of functionality. Conversion between them is relatively easy. > The other thing you will notice is that its mostly on MFC's, so I > believe they're using the PS chipset to encode a scanned doc to PDF; I'm > not sure it works the other way around, and I may even be wrong about > what they're doing but I think it is very suspect. Yes, PDF output of scanned documents (even multi-page ones) seems to be standard today (which is mostly a welcome solution for storing and re-printing scanned documents). > A PS chipset is only an interpreter - it cannot normally encode PS, only > read a PS stream and rasterise it. But they may have extended it in only > this case. As for printing PDF, maybe... time will only tell. I held a short lecture about PS many years ago. If I remember my own words correctly, the PS "circuit" in a printer is a little processor complex that processes the PS "programming language" to do rasterization (from vector data or embedded pixel objects), it could do calculations, some transformations (like rotation), some other functions (like repeating the output n times, use or not use the duplexer etc. depending on the printer's hardware). If this facility could be used to generate data and send it back through the network interface, or keep it in local storage so network access can "pick it up" (e. g. by FTP, NFS, CIFS/SMB), things would be easy as those mechanisms can be kept internally in the printer without requiring arbitrary "drivers" to make things work. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 14:15:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12ABE1065673 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:15:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDD08FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B385C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:28:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 271F65C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:28:55 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3E5FE3.8070100@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:10:43 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120212100038.412369e7@scorpio> <20120217141447.b99dda33.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3E572D.6060502@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3E572D.6060502@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:15:31 -0000 On 02/17/12 23:33, Da Rock wrote: > On 02/17/12 23:14, Polytropon wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:00:38 -0500, Jerry wrote: >>> It appears that "ps" is no-longer the format of choice but is being >>> replaced by PDF, a format that is natively supported by many printers. >> Jerry, I wanted to point out that PS still seems to be the >> format that _applications_ use as output format for printing. >> Even though especially office applications (such as Abiword >> or LibreOffice) have a built-in PDF file generator, the printing >> output that is sent to the printing subsystem (lpr, CUPS, whatever) >> is in PS format and gets converted to what the printer needs >> by the proper printer filter ("driver"). >> >> The "print to file" output method typically creates PS, at >> least on UNIX, Linux, MacOS X and other operating system >> families. >> >> If printers would natively support PDF data instead of unknown >> arbitrary commands to move the printing head - things would be >> MUCH LESS complicated on the OS's side. Data just needs to be >> generated in PDF natively, or converted from PS to PDF (simple >> task) by the printer filter, and then just sent to a specific >> network address (just as netcat could do). That would nearly >> eliminate the need for printer drivers I think. The only thing >> that comes to my mind is... how does it handle duplexing and >> other printer-HARDWARE specific things? Can they also be "coded" >> in a PDF file? >> >> Really, I like the approach of having PDF as a universal "printer >> language" (even though it's not 100% safe from a security point >> of view, but that doesn't matter on the home consumer market >> anyway). It would remove any need complicated things like (in >> my opinion) the CUPS configuration. You just need to enter the >> IP of the printer - done; and it doesn't even matter of this >> is a wired or wireless connection! Maybe even lowest-end USB >> devices can accept a PDF "data stream"... >> >> Think about that: >> >> % netcat 192.168.123.456< /tmp/printing.pdf >> >> or even >> >> % cat /tmp/inkpee.pdf> /dev/ulpt0 >> >> to make the printer start printing... >> >> With standardized PDF "instructions", there would be no need >> for artificial OS barriers. PDF is known. No need to port any >> drivers, to create wrappers or jump though hoops. >> >> Note that the system's DEFAULT printing facility (the printer >> spooler) would be a perfect means to plug in. Printer "filters" >> could be easily implemented, i. e. only _one_ filter needs to >> be present: one that converts an application's PS to PDF and >> the send it to the printer's local port or IP address. All the >> parts needed for that task are already present (and have been >> for many years). >> >> Would be interesting to see how this develops. Thanks for sharing >> that info, sounds really good. > PDF is not exactly PS, but it does use a subset of the instructions. > As near as I can tell this is how they're using it, as it is only 1.7 > or so onwards. > > The other thing you will notice is that its mostly on MFC's, so I > believe they're using the PS chipset to encode a scanned doc to PDF; > I'm not sure it works the other way around, and I may even be wrong > about what they're doing but I think it is very suspect. > > A PS chipset is only an interpreter - it cannot normally encode PS, > only read a PS stream and rasterise it. But they may have extended it > in only this case. As for printing PDF, maybe... time will only tell. What I forgot to add is that it would be no more difficult to print PDF as it is to print PS - you'd use the same functions but a slight difference in the quantity of data. I have yet to see a printer that will do it though.... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 14:15:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10031065670 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8601C8FC1A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1HEFqvR006112; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:15:55 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:15:50 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4F3DABA6.9090402@hdk5.net> <4F3DB231.7010607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3DB231.7010607@herveybayaustralia.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201202172115.50502.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Da Rock Subject: Re: Is the list down? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:15:58 -0000 Hi, On Friday 17 February 2012 08:49:37 Da Rock wrote: > On 02/17/12 11:21, Al Plant wrote: > > I have not seen any action in 2 days. > There's been plenty of action in the last 2 days. Maybe check your mail > server logs for errors? I noticed the same thing. The missing mails arrived all meanwhile over night. Mails from other sources have been received normally during this period of time. Things like this happen once in a while. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b4sm14965582and.18.2012.02.17.06.22.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3TqGlx0vVwz2CG5Z for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:22:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:22:52 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120217092252.7175084b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120217141447.b99dda33.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120212100038.412369e7@scorpio> <20120217141447.b99dda33.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQktY83sREDNc8Al1u/zoQZLiYaoljvzQdOZcByh5Yp0QmfeV6CAeqEIyDpYDHEhCekasibR Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:22:56 -0000 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:14:47 +0100 Polytropon articulated: > Think about that: > > % netcat 192.168.123.456 < /tmp/printing.pdf I can do either: nc 192.168.1.100 9100 < /tmp/print.pdf or nc 192.168.1.100 9100 < /tmp/print.ps right now without any problems. If you looked at the page, and you apparently did, then you will have noticed the "Making Printing "Just Work"" concept that I suggested several months ago, only to be met by the usual naysayers claiming it would never happen or be feasible. Obviously, these are the same individuals who claimed that the "bumblebee" could not fly. If you have not all ready checked out , you might want to give it a quick once over. It is very informative. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 14:26:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BB91065670 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:26:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E148FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED805C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:40:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 353BE5C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:40:21 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3E6291.3070409@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:22:09 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120212100038.412369e7@scorpio> <20120217141447.b99dda33.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3E572D.6060502@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120217145738.f211687f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120217145738.f211687f.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:26:57 -0000 On 02/17/12 23:57, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:33:33 +1000, Da Rock wrote: >> PDF is not exactly PS, but it does use a subset of the instructions. > That's correct, but both formats share essential parts of > functionality. Conversion between them is relatively easy. > > > >> The other thing you will notice is that its mostly on MFC's, so I >> believe they're using the PS chipset to encode a scanned doc to PDF; I'm >> not sure it works the other way around, and I may even be wrong about >> what they're doing but I think it is very suspect. > Yes, PDF output of scanned documents (even multi-page ones) > seems to be standard today (which is mostly a welcome solution > for storing and re-printing scanned documents). > > > >> A PS chipset is only an interpreter - it cannot normally encode PS, only >> read a PS stream and rasterise it. But they may have extended it in only >> this case. As for printing PDF, maybe... time will only tell. > I held a short lecture about PS many years ago. If I remember > my own words correctly, the PS "circuit" in a printer is a > little processor complex that processes the PS "programming > language" to do rasterization (from vector data or embedded > pixel objects), it could do calculations, some transformations > (like rotation), some other functions (like repeating the > output n times, use or not use the duplexer etc. depending > on the printer's hardware). If this facility could be used > to generate data and send it back through the network interface, > or keep it in local storage so network access can "pick it > up" (e. g. by FTP, NFS, CIFS/SMB), things would be easy as > those mechanisms can be kept internally in the printer without > requiring arbitrary "drivers" to make things work. RIP processors do/did that. They're normally an external computer system designed to do just that: act as a print server (sometimes a bit like CUPS with a web interface) and you can store, hold, print jobs. Graphics organisations still use them, but since processors are so fast these days they don't always bother with some printers. With these functions, the operator could receive a print job and direct it to whatever printer was available/best suited and run it. Some used them in the larger print shops for online printing from major contracts to automate the processing of jobs (immediate/monthly/weekly, etc). You could also send the ripped file (or a PS encoded one) anywhere you want as well. The files were normally sent RAW and processed on the RIP to whatever was needed or wanted, and there was PS on the machine. These things were hooked up directly to the printer (no network - could be though - just a scsi connection directly to the print engine) so they had no real need for PS except to encode it. The ones I worked on were NT based and some linux based ones. Fun times... :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 14:32:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AA2106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F688FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1HEWDuY010244; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:32:15 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:32:10 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4F3ABA3C.5090908@hargray.com> <20120214202830.GB4616@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201202172132.10933.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Frank Shute , Mike Dockery , krad Subject: Re: Processor question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:32:19 -0000 Hi, On Thursday 16 February 2012 17:20:23 krad wrote: > On 14 February 2012 20:28, Frank Shute wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 02:47:08PM -0500, Mike Dockery wrote: > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Aloha, > > > > > > > > I have been a user of Linux since 1994, but most of the linux distros > > > seem to be getting away from freedom... which is why I chose it in the > > > first place. They seem intent on forcing things that do not work well > > > (like pulseaudio and nouveau) on everyone. Freedom of choice is always > > > best. > > > > Yeah, I used to use Linux but they became a bunch of Freedom Nazis > > controlled by big companies. > > > > Happily using FreeBSD for 10 years. > > > > > > > > My question is: Should I try the amd64 version of FreeBSD with my Intel > > > Core i7-2600 processor or should I use the i386? > > > > Generally, for an x86 machine with 4GB or greater memory use amd64. > > Memory less than that use i386. > > > > I would actually say 3GB or more, as if you have a machine at 4gb and run a > 32bit os you waste the best part of a gig or more due to pci addressing etc > I would use the amd64 version in any case. I was forced once to switch because I needed more than 4GB memory for a single application. I noticed then that most things went smoother then. Erich > > > > > ie. you almost certainly want to use amd64, I should think. > > > > > > > > I hope to give FreeBSD a try later this month. > > > > Excellent. Best of luck and any problems not covered in the handbook > > or google, post here. Welcome to FreeBSD! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mike Dockery > > > > Regards, > > > > -- > > > > Frank > > > > Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 14:34:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57DE106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A1E8FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E075C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:48:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 081F35C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:48:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3E6474.1020506@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:30:12 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120211231729.d4ad2f8d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120212083327.0a3b5c52@scorpio> <4F37CBC2.7060609@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120212100038.412369e7@scorpio> <20120217141447.b99dda33.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217092252.7175084b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120217092252.7175084b@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MFC 7840W under CUPS X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:34:59 -0000 On 02/18/12 00:22, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:14:47 +0100 > Polytropon articulated: > >> Think about that: >> >> % netcat 192.168.123.456< /tmp/printing.pdf > I can do either: > > nc 192.168.1.100 9100< /tmp/print.pdf > > or nc 192.168.1.100 9100< /tmp/print.ps > > right now without any problems. > > If you looked at the > > page, and you apparently did, then you will have noticed the "Making > Printing "Just Work"" concept that I suggested several months ago, only > to be met by the usual naysayers claiming it would never happen or be > feasible. Obviously, these are the same individuals who claimed that > the "bumblebee" could not fly. You realise that you could do this with PS for ages? Nothing has changed as such in years... Finding a printer that accepts PS? That was the problem. Mostly the issue is with GDI or some other propietry printer. If the manufacturers accept a standard (and that means M$ needs to stop interfering, which it seems they now are and are moving away from GDI themselves) then it will all just work. PCL isn't much different, and most respectable printers have been using that since the beginning of time, or thereabouts, just more of them now. You will find it hard to convince graphics to give up PS though, its pretty deeply rooted in their culture :) > > If you have not all ready checked out > , > you might want to give it a quick once over. It is very informative. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 16:06:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2991065673 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A13F8FC12 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1HG6UGZ052888; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q1HG6UjB052885; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:06:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:06:30 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Brent Clark In-Reply-To: <4F3E1E7B.7080804@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4F3E1E7B.7080804@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:06:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall cant seem to download the kernel source. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:06:31 -0000 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Brent Clark wrote: > I seem to have this problem with sysinstall, whereby I cant seem to download > the kernel source. > > I tried following this example > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/freebsd-install-kernel-source-code/ > > I use "Install from an FTP server" > > The error message I get is "Unable to transfer the sbase distribution from > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org." > > Does anyone know of another way to get the kernel source. > > Cvs or svn. Depends on the version of FreeBSD. For 9, http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=29172 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 17:16:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AE91065672 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:16:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apseudoutopia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D36B8FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaan10 with SMTP id n10so1577249eaa.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:16:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rd16v/u02DlKh/3XkatP1X3tp6BtDcIfdhQxAFF4R3k=; b=apVL2JkM+tEht2AUQkM8u8Cqg3RiRGvukPClaBqTU8dzoaGuB4SdZpQDI5tS/LJVdg d9znI+uGA7ieRhS7ftqyLkG3Cd49PTlCP6ZVVNoV5s6g4xTJMku/yqhcy4YsV9bbbCzI QemJM6E/J4OtOV7k738rm+XCiQV7I31MNZhTc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.32.205 with SMTP id o53mr4219903eea.47.1329498989608; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.9.201 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:16:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:16:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: APseudoUtopia To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Maildir Format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:16:31 -0000 Hello, I'm setting up the email system on my server. I got rid of sendmail and installed postfix, and I will be installing dovecot. I researched the difference between mbox and maildir formats, and I'm going to go with the Maildir. I'm running everything on ZFS, so many small files shouldn't be a problem. My problem is, before I made any of these changes and was using the default sendmail setup, I was using /usr/bin/mail to read my periodic and cron outputs. However, after I installed postfix with the Maildir delivery option, I quickly realized that /usr/bin/mail doesn't support Maildir. Can anyone suggest a MUA which has support for Maildir that I can use? I'm looking for something simple and command line, similar to /usr/bin/mail that I can use until I get around to installing Dovecot. The only one I know of off the top of my head is mutt. I've never had much use, and thus experience, with unix MUAs. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 17:28:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F7C106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871738FC12 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (mail.magehandbook.net [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3TqLtH3zJzzDs for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 152.121.16.252 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:28:39 -0500 Message-ID: <0e40aeef175c0f3066d6d50b9b64f09c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:28:39 -0500 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Maildir Format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:28:40 -0000 On Fri, February 17, 2012 12:16 pm, APseudoUtopia wrote: > Hello, > > I'm setting up the email system on my server. I got rid of sendmail > and installed postfix, and I will be installing dovecot. I researched > the difference between mbox and maildir formats, and I'm going to go > with the Maildir. I'm running everything on ZFS, so many small files > shouldn't be a problem. > > My problem is, before I made any of these changes and was using the > default sendmail setup, I was using /usr/bin/mail to read my periodic > and cron outputs. However, after I installed postfix with the Maildir > delivery option, I quickly realized that /usr/bin/mail doesn't support > Maildir. > > Can anyone suggest a MUA which has support for Maildir that I can use? > I'm looking for something simple and command line, similar to > /usr/bin/mail that I can use until I get around to installing Dovecot. > The only one I know of off the top of my head is mutt. I've never had > much use, and thus experience, with unix MUAs. > > Thank you. Honestly, for one or two pure-text emails a day, I find 'less' on the most recent files in the Maildir folder works fairly well, especially for just a couple of days... Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 17:53:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFB81065670 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:53:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200458FC15 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBF611.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.246.17]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1HHr1bm015849; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:53:02 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1HHuBEM026599; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:56:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1HHtxPE035992; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:56:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201202171756.q1HHtxPE035992@fire.js.berklix.net> To: APseudoUtopia From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:16:29 EST." Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:55:59 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Maildir Format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:53:04 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: APseudoUtopia > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:16:29 -0500 > Message-id: APseudoUtopia wrote: > Hello, > > I'm setting up the email system on my server. I got rid of sendmail > and installed postfix, and I will be installing dovecot. I researched > the difference between mbox and maildir formats, and I'm going to go > with the Maildir. I'm running everything on ZFS, so many small files > shouldn't be a problem. > > My problem is, before I made any of these changes and was using the > default sendmail setup, I was using /usr/bin/mail to read my periodic > and cron outputs. However, after I installed postfix with the Maildir > delivery option, I quickly realized that /usr/bin/mail doesn't support > Maildir. FYI an mbox splitter prog I wrote http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/jhs/bin/public/mailsplit/ > > Can anyone suggest a MUA which has support for Maildir that I can use? > I'm looking for something simple and command line, similar to > /usr/bin/mail that I can use until I get around to installing Dovecot. > The only one I know of off the top of my head is mutt. I've never had > much use, and thus experience, with unix MUAs. > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 18:17:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D74106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Received: from ifdnrg30.ifdnrg.com (outbound.ifdnrg.com [193.200.98.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92538FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.86] (93-97-172-73.zone5.bethere.co.uk [93.97.172.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by ifdnrg30.ifdnrg.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1HIHFS8002141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:17:16 GMT (envelope-from paul@ifdnrg.com) Message-ID: <4F3E99A7.5070909@ifdnrg.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:17:11 +0000 From: Paul Macdonald User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: APseudoUtopia References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Maildir Format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:17:19 -0000 On 17/02/2012 17:16, APseudoUtopia wrote: > Hello, > > I'm setting up the email system on my server. I got rid of sendmail > and installed postfix, and I will be installing dovecot. I researched > the difference between mbox and maildir formats, and I'm going to go > with the Maildir. I'm running everything on ZFS, so many small files > shouldn't be a problem. > > My problem is, before I made any of these changes and was using the > default sendmail setup, I was using /usr/bin/mail to read my periodic > and cron outputs. However, after I installed postfix with the Maildir > delivery option, I quickly realized that /usr/bin/mail doesn't support > Maildir. > > Can anyone suggest a MUA which has support for Maildir that I can use? > I'm looking for something simple and command line, similar to > /usr/bin/mail that I can use until I get around to installing Dovecot. > The only one I know of off the top of my head is mutt. I've never had > much use, and thus experience, with unix MUAs. why not just forward them to your gmail? Paul. > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ------------------------- Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting ------------------------- t: 0131 5548070 m: 07970339546< Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2675106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com (dorsai-02.celestial.com [192.136.111.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965DD8FC21 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BBD208A9AC for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:06:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at celestial.com Received: from dorsai-02.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dorsai-02.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id SDz9ghdZ3sk5 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by dorsai-02.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C286208A98D for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840E144F9220; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:06:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id JR-d5T+eg-lA; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 6856F44F921F; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:06:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:06:01 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120217180601.GA19450@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 OpenPKG/CURRENT (2009-01-05) Subject: Re: Maildir Format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:21:03 -0000 On Fri, Feb 17, 2012, APseudoUtopia wrote: >Hello, > >I'm setting up the email system on my server. I got rid of sendmail >and installed postfix, and I will be installing dovecot. I researched >the difference between mbox and maildir formats, and I'm going to go >with the Maildir. I'm running everything on ZFS, so many small files >shouldn't be a problem. > >My problem is, before I made any of these changes and was using the >default sendmail setup, I was using /usr/bin/mail to read my periodic >and cron outputs. However, after I installed postfix with the Maildir >delivery option, I quickly realized that /usr/bin/mail doesn't support >Maildir. > >Can anyone suggest a MUA which has support for Maildir that I can use? >I'm looking for something simple and command line, similar to >/usr/bin/mail that I can use until I get around to installing Dovecot. >The only one I know of off the top of my head is mutt. I've never had >much use, and thus experience, with unix MUAs. Mutt would be my choice. I have been using it for over a decade, and it handles Maildir as well as other common mailbox formats. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 The essence of all slavery consists in taking the produce of another's labor by force. It is immaterial whether this force be founded on ownership of the slave or ownership of the money that he must get to live on. Leo Tolstoy 1891 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 18:36:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9157A106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634C28FC12 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iaeo4 with SMTP id o4so6266009iae.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:36:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.89.232 with SMTP id br8mr24735987igb.30.1329503795737; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.234.81 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:36:35 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.166.81] Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:36:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlxTiqb/6H8U/V3t4DiGMw6gL8JCm3GNqFYPpfkOUZjTYbUj8YbvrI7e2DWTkuxIu1JANuJ Subject: Cryopid for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:36:36 -0000 Hello, is there an equivalent to Linux' cryopid for FreeBSD? http://code.google.com/p/cryopid/ Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 19:04:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE47D106567B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:04:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE178FC16 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-244.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.244]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E896D3CC9B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:04:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q1HJ4E75002074 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:04:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:04:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120217200414.17208b40.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120217180601.GA19450@ayn.mi.celestial.com> References: <20120217180601.GA19450@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Maildir Format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:04:16 -0000 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:06:01 -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > Mutt would be my choice. I have been using it for over a decade, > and it handles Maildir as well as other common mailbox formats. Also pine should be able to handle it (even though it could be called "overcomplex" in relation to /usr/bin/mail). By the way, the suggestion of redirecting the system's mail output to a specific user account or "external" mail account removes the choice for a program for local use. So the user's default MUA (even if it's a web based solution) could be used. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 19:55:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66DB1065678 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:55:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrisom@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DB78FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-iy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id o4so6373191iae.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:55:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EPzd5Eh7QkUu+tSawfTw2Pk4Fuezqdm8cnRawAEdwAA=; b=uXQrpV1Hjo6FtC+YOnviR2cZszIT/+tpzTfAJkB5KqzSnZ2o7BmS6fCyIsM3kcnmqw KOoSc4xVtSJl6zPKwIbhkNzwu44PhKP/tKOVFRc2gCgQIYkj6MBMT28dFOH0qN9robK9 mi/WwAMPhQEpAEvgYZBDQ+SsVadyOfNwl0Dv8= Received: by 10.42.150.200 with SMTP id b8mr8353232icw.43.1329508557564; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-98-212-197-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net. [98.212.197.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ut1sm12380561igc.2.2012.02.17.11.55.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:55:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3EB0BA.5060907@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:55:38 -0600 From: Joshua Isom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Maildir Format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:55:58 -0000 On 2/17/2012 11:16 AM, APseudoUtopia wrote: > Hello, > > I'm setting up the email system on my server. I got rid of sendmail > and installed postfix, and I will be installing dovecot. I researched > the difference between mbox and maildir formats, and I'm going to go > with the Maildir. I'm running everything on ZFS, so many small files > shouldn't be a problem. > > My problem is, before I made any of these changes and was using the > default sendmail setup, I was using /usr/bin/mail to read my periodic > and cron outputs. However, after I installed postfix with the Maildir > delivery option, I quickly realized that /usr/bin/mail doesn't support > Maildir. > > Can anyone suggest a MUA which has support for Maildir that I can use? > I'm looking for something simple and command line, similar to > /usr/bin/mail that I can use until I get around to installing Dovecot. > The only one I know of off the top of my head is mutt. I've never had > much use, and thus experience, with unix MUAs. > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I use dovecot to serve the mail, and access using imap for the clients. Almost any client you're probably going to use will support imap, so maildir vs mbox doesn't matter. It also means I have it set up to access the mail from anywhere. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 20:35:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F59106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B7E8FC1B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b7pq1i0010x6nqcAF8NaHJ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:22:34 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.84.87]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b8NY1i00P1t3BNj8Y8NZxh; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:22:34 +0000 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CFDEF102C1E; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:22:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:22:32 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Damien Fleuriot Message-ID: <20120217202232.GA86762@icarus.home.lan> References: <4F3E5925.8020004@my.gd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3E5925.8020004@my.gd> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: dougb@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: DNS - slaving the root zone X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:35:44 -0000 On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 02:41:57PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Hello list, Jeremy, Doug, > > > We're currently having a discussion on the FRnOG mailing list regarding > the laughable announcement of an attack on the DNS root servers by > Anonymous. > > I've kinda hijacked the thread to ask whether people slave the root zone > or not, and why if not. > > > Active poster, renowned blogger and AFNIC worker Stephane Bortzmeyer > pointed out that it might not be a good idea and submitted the following > discussion from 2007 as reference: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2007-August/075895.html > > > Do you still believe slaving the root zone to be a bad idea ? The important thread (IMO) is actually here: https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2007-July/thread.html#1804 These are the people you should be asking this question to given the "announcement". Folks like Paul Vixie and David Conrad. Also, just a tip: given that at an old job I dealt with DoS and DDoS attacks on our infrastructure on a near-daily basis (advice to public: never run a public IRC server on a major network), I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the claim as "laughable". Folks can bring up the distribution of all the root servers, anycast, etc. all they want, but nobody truly knows how "distributed" the DDoS will be. Sit back and think about that one for a little while, let it stew in your mind. Rest assured, if what is being proposed turns out to be accomplished, you will be quite surprised at how many large Fortune 500 companies and financial organisations are impacted by it. I can't go into details, but I can assure you with utmost certainty that many of them rely on Internet transit for very important transactions -- most of which use DNS-based lookups for all sorts of things. Given the state of IT in general these days, chances are very few companies have thought ahead in this case. Though DNS may not simply break 100% (duh), failed lookups and "oddities" occurring all over the place would be likely. If you've ever worked at a large corporation, you'll know how easy it is for people to incorrectly assess reasons for outages -- it wouldn't surprise me if it took said companies 24-48 hours to figure out what was truly the root cause. TL;DR -- don't be hasty when it comes to threats on the Internet on such a large scale. It's amazing the infrastructure we have today works at all anyway. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, US | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 20:54:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE68106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCBE8FC16 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 849E1E80683; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:54:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:54:58 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20120217205458.GC4055@thought.org> References: <20120213193150.GA24425@thought.org> <20120217142707.4da1f6a2.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120217142707.4da1f6a2.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 25 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: how can i offload a 600m file without graphic tools? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:54:59 -0000 On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 02:27:07PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:27:07 +0100 > From: Polytropon > Subject: Re: how can i offload a 600m file without graphic tools? > To: Gary Kline > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List > X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:32:07 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > w can i move a file from my home filesystem to my one disc drive > > without using a GUI? i don't have a graphic interface on my FBSD > > system and want to save a 600MB file to my cdrom? > > > > thanks for tips on what i have Long forgotten! > > I hope I can interpret your question correctly: You need to > burn a 600 MB file to a disc (typically a CD, but could be a > DVD too)? > > That's quite easy: CDs typically use the ISO-9660 file system > which mkisofs (from ports) creates, and a program like cdrecord > or cdrdao can burn it to the media. For a DVD, growisofs will > do that part. > > Step 1: > > % mkisofs -r -J -o bigfile.iso bigfile > > where "bigfile" is the file you want to store. The flags -r and > -J make sure the file system will also be properly interpreted > on non-standard systems; -o specifies the output file. > > Step 2: > > % cdrecord dev=0,0,0 speed=10 -v -eject -tao -data bigfile.iso > > In order to know _what_ device to record to, run > > % camcontrol devlist > > Make sure you have proper permissions to access the files in /dev > that are needed. If not, use "sudo" prefix or do the required parts > using "su". > > In the "camcontrol devlist" output, available drives will be > listed. Bus, taget and LUN will form the "trinity" address that > will then be used in the dev= parameter. > > After successful burning, > > % rm bigfile.iso > > as it's not needed anymore. > > You can also use a piping mechanism from mkisofs to cdrecord, but I > didn't want to make it that complicated. :-) > > In case you need to burn a DVD because the file gets bigger than > 650..700 MB, only one step is needed: > > % growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd -r -J bigfile > > In this case, /dev/dvd is a symlink to /dev/cd0 (see "camcontrol > devlist" output again, but look for the associated SCSI devices). > > If you already have the ISO file, use > > % growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=bigfile.iso > > to record it to DVD. > > > > Note that there are other ways to store data on CDs and DVDs > which are intendedly less compatible by omitting the ISO 9660 > file system. :-) > > > > i was going to ask you offlist, but then found this stuff -- or a subset of -- in my howto file. then, yesterday, i finally tried to change the bios of my target machine. busted. rats! > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Voice By Computer (for Universal Access): http:/www.thought.org/vbc The 8.57a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org Twenty-five years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:05:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF42F106567A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965C38FC18 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa06 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa06.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1HLR4ma009702 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:05:30 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa06.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 131wj90cp8-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:05:30 -0600 Received: from lefty.vicor.com (10.14.152.55) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:05:29 -0600 Message-ID: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:05:23 -0800 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.55] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:15:37 +0000 Subject: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:05:31 -0000 Hiya, A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD. It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap as such: / /tmp /var /usr swap The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which creates only one partition and swap, with everything living under a single "/" partition as such: / swap We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and swap. This is not a discussion of MBR vs GPT. The default moving forward from 9.x will be to use GPT. We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four partitions and swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire Disk". Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. Thanks, Dave -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com david.robison@fisglobal.com _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:18:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E751065673 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:18:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout018.mac.com (asmtpout018.mac.com [17.148.16.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ACF8FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:18:13 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by asmtp018.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LZK00FXX5XSRE30@asmtp018.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:17:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170234 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:17:52 -0800 Message-id: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> To: david.robison@fisglobal.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:18:14 -0000 On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: > We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and swap. For a user/desktop machine, I prefer one root partition. For other roles like a server, I prefer multiple partitions which have been sized for the intended usage. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:20:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33D5106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech.junk@myfairpoint.net) Received: from mail15c26.carrierzone.com (mail15c26-2170.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEF08FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:20:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: tech.junk.myfairpoint.net Received: from cinnur.home (pool-72-71-207-176.cncdnh.fast03.myfairpoint.net [72.71.207.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail15c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1HMKRMj026723 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:20:28 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: sean In-Reply-To: <4F3DAE6F.3040706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:20:26 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> <4F3DAE6F.3040706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=BF5ZK6hrtpVDoz5qKAowPIOi8OHEr4zx1kviGQhHeOQ= c=1 sm=1 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:17 a=NZU-rEflgq_TldDtjhAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F3ED2AF.00AC,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:20:33 -0000 On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Da Rock wrote: >=20 >=20 > Problem, I think lies, in the symlink. You don't need it, kill it and = run nspluginwrapper - the only flash file in your browser plugins = directory should be prefixed with npwrapper. >=20 > There may be an issue with nspluginwrapper (currently being discussed = - can anyone confirm if its similar?) that has to resolved. >=20 > Just to check, can you run `find /usr/local/ | grep ld-linux.so` and = see if it comes up? It could show ld-linux.so or the same followed by a = number. Copy the result here. I deleted both symlinks and ran the find, no results returned. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:32:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13FC1065677 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AFD8FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.11] (unknown [109.190.13.180]) (Authenticated sender: kha@dichotomia.fr) by sslmail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EABBC3DD073 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:14:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F3ED173.8000802@dichotomia.fr> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:15:15 +0100 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (sslmail.dichotomia.fr); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:14:58 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Maildir Format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:32:05 -0000 On 17/02/2012 18:16, APseudoUtopia wrote: > Hello, > > I'm setting up the email system on my server. I got rid of sendmail > and installed postfix, and I will be installing dovecot. I researched > the difference between mbox and maildir formats, and I'm going to go > with the Maildir. I'm running everything on ZFS, so many small files > shouldn't be a problem. > > My problem is, before I made any of these changes and was using the > default sendmail setup, I was using /usr/bin/mail to read my periodic > and cron outputs. However, after I installed postfix with the Maildir > delivery option, I quickly realized that /usr/bin/mail doesn't support > Maildir. > > Can anyone suggest a MUA which has support for Maildir that I can use? > I'm looking for something simple and command line, similar to > /usr/bin/mail that I can use until I get around to installing Dovecot. > The only one I know of off the top of my head is mutt. I've never had > much use, and thus experience, with unix MUAs. > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Alpine and Mutt, try mutt first and if you do not like it try alpine. There are others (gnus, elm and cone). Elm being more or less the ancester of both pine and mutt. I never tested any of these three though. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:34:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6481065673 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:34:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9278FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa06 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa06.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1HMPntJ005975; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:34:56 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa06.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 131wj90f7q-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:34:56 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:34:55 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Chuck Swiger'" , References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:35:09 -0800 Message-ID: <020601ccedc4$681c4d80$3854e880$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIQVcbiHxAZ45udkmdcvfmJBlTk1AI4BDLTlakZqWA= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:34:57 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Swiger > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:18 PM > To: david.robison@fisglobal.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: > > We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default with 4 > partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and swap. > > For a user/desktop machine, I prefer one root partition. For other roles like a > server, I prefer multiple partitions which have been sized for the intended usage. > Then does the question ultimately become... "Shall we then have two algorithms and ask the user whether they are installing for the desktop versus server?" If that's the case, then I think this is something I could personally live with (as it then becomes possible to obtain the old layout of 4 partitions with auto-calculated sizes ala Colin Percival's last sizing algorithm committed in version 1.149 of src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/label.c made pre-SVN 6 years 6 months ago). See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/Attic/label.c?rev= 1.149;content-type=text%2Fx-cvsweb-markup The above link describes the partition scheme that I and colleagues seek-most to return to FreeBSD 9.x and higher. I argue that Colin's algorithm is still useful for servers and is still the preferred method of allocation for servers and thus should remain an option, even if we don't change the [new] default back to the above linked-to scheme. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:41:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676551065670 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:41:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@mxcrypt.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5098FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcmm1 with SMTP id m1so3790819vcm.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of max@mxcrypt.com designates 10.52.93.77 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.93.77; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of max@mxcrypt.com designates 10.52.93.77 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=max@mxcrypt.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.93.77]) by 10.52.93.77 with SMTP id cs13mr5088458vdb.71.1329518474436 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.93.77 with SMTP id cs13mr4084378vdb.71.1329518474324; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:41:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.199.73 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:40:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> From: Maxim Khitrov Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: To: david.robison@fisglobal.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkult6//jbR2ClM0QKWbgXSdYkNwT9cs1+PFt/zffCBfJg03tnr0ZQfBqIGguN/viPXs6Ab Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:41:15 -0000 On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: > Hiya, > > A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as > opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD. > > It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap as > such: > > / > /tmp > /var > /usr > swap > > The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which > creates only one partition and swap, with everything living under a single > "/" partition as such: > > / > swap > > We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default > with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and > swap. > > This is not a discussion of MBR vs GPT. The default moving forward from 9.x > will be to use GPT. > > We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as one > wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We want to > know if people would prefer the older style default with four partitions and > swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire Disk". > > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. / and /usr should be merged together, /var should stay separate, and /tmp should be tmpfs :) At least that's my preferred server configuration starting with 9.0. I see no benefits in keeping / and /usr separate. A desktop can have /var on the same file system as well, but servers should always isolate it. Just a few days ago, a misbehaving php script filled-up my entire /var partition when it got into an endless loop. I've since realized the value of blocking repeated error log messages in php configuration, but keeping /var away from the rest was a good safety net. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:46:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4BD106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67CC8FC15 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-244.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.244]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF5C1E4FA; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:46:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q1HMkN7w040678; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:46:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:46:23 +0100 From: Polytropon To: david.robison@fisglobal.com Message-Id: <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:46:27 -0000 Four? There should be five! :-) Read on to find out why. On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:05:23 -0800, Robison, Dave wrote: > We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default > with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and > swap. In my case, preference depends on use. When I'm unable to predict how partition occupation will develop, going with one / partition is a good approach. It can also be useful for cases like home desktops. Other cases, like dedicated servers or systems that use more than one physical disk (e. g. one system disk, one home disk) the approach of using more than one partition is welcome. I'd like to mention that using different partitions for a logical separation of mechanisms and functionalities can be a _big_ help in worst case (which you'll hopefully never will encounter, but be prepared). For example, if you have file system trouble with the /home partition, you can bring the system up in a limited state (SUM), make the partition "ro" and get the data. You can then boot the system into the normal state (MUM) with using the copy you made, leaving the original /home partition unmounted and untouched. In case of data recovery and forensic analysis this can be your chance to get your data back. > We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as > one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We > want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four > partitions and swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire > Disk". Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ default style for separated partitions include: / swap /tmp /var /usr /home In special cases, add /opt or /scratch as separate partitions with intendedly limited sizes. You can see that all user data is kept independently from the rest of the system. It can easily be switched over to a separate "home disk" if needed. What's the reason for this? Limited partitions are often considered a problem, but they can be a system's life saver. Just imagine you have all functional parts of the system in one big / tree, let's also say /tmp is writable for users (and it's not a memory file system); now a maliciously acting user or program could fill /tmp with lots of data, occupying the full disk. Soon, /var/log cannot be written anymore, and also other processes that need to write something may get into trouble. If /tmp is a separate partition, only /tmp can get "out of disk space", with /var being fully untouched. Also keep in mind that some tools like to operate on partition level, such as dump (and restore). System tools like quota can also be used on a partition level. As I mentioned before, being able to mount a partition read-only can be helpful sometimes, same goes for other mount options, such as noexec or noatime. When dealing with this low level stuff is neccessary (e. g. on embedded systems or systems that are low on resources where you need to squeeze every bit of performance by fine tuning), having individual partitions can be a big help. > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. Why not add a selection to the installer, something like this: Partition scheme ---------------- [ ] all in one + swap Create one partition containing all subtrees plus one swap partition. [ ] separate partitioning + swap Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home) partitions plus one swap partition. [ ] user-defined Make your own partitioning selection manually. Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be reasonable. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:52:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC69106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:52:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35D58FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q1HMmm8p030110; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:48:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id q1HMmm5k030109; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:48:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:48:48 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: "Robison, Dave" Message-ID: <20120217224848.GA30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:52:31 -0000 On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 02:05:23PM -0800, Robison, Dave wrote: > Hiya, > > A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as > opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD. > > It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap > as such: > > / > /tmp > /var > /usr > swap > > The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which > creates only one partition and swap, with everything living under a > single "/" partition as such: > > / > swap > > We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default > with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and > swap. I much prefer to have the choice to create partitions as I need. My typical default is: / /tmp /usr /var /home or some other name such as /work swap That looks like 5 plus swap to me. I also want to decide the size of partitions. I have never found the default sizes to be servicable or adequate. Having said this, I occasionally have created servers with just root and swap. It depends on circumstances and need and I hope not to lose the option to choose or to have that option require some complicated and arcane/hidden procedure to choose other than the default. I have never had problems with getting disks built, newfs-ed and mounted using the Sysinstall controlled stuff. There are other things that Sysinstall needed, but choosing/creating partitions was not a problem. I understand that going to GPT means some changes, but I am sure that it should be able to create partitions of any size with probably a larger range of identifiers. Since my new machines have not arrived yet (expecting soon), I haven't explored the magic of GPT and am still rather foggy on where it fits in the overall picture. I am looking forward to get it insinuated in to my thick head soon. BSDinstall control of partitioning should just be adding features and capacity and not removing any options (except if there are some that are actually obsolete). Having said that, upgrading the language and the way options and sizes are specified is fine with me as long as it is all there, available and clearly labeled and documented. Thanks for asking, ////jerry > > This is not a discussion of MBR vs GPT. The default moving forward from > 9.x will be to use GPT. > > We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as > one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We > want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four > partitions and swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire > Disk". > > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > -- > Dave Robison > Sales Solution Architect II > FIS Banking Solutions > 510/621-2089 (w) > 530/518-5194 (c) > 510/621-2020 (f) > daver@vicor.com > david.robison@fisglobal.com > > _____________ > The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or > confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the > message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message > in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please > be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving > and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:57:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7ED106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76DB8FC16 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q1HMrT1Z030135; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:53:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id q1HMrTum030134; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:53:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:53:29 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: david.robison@fisglobal.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:57:14 -0000 > > > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > > Why not add a selection to the installer, something like > this: > > Partition scheme > ---------------- > > [ ] all in one + swap > Create one partition containing all subtrees > plus one swap partition. > > [ ] separate partitioning + swap > Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home) > partitions plus one swap partition. > > [ ] user-defined > Make your own partitioning selection manually. > > Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be > reasonable. > Yes. Yes. This is the way to go. ////jerry > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:59:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD34106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dcarmich@dcarmichael.net) Received: from omr12.networksolutionsemail.com (omr12.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.62]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A924B8FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cm-omr2 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr12.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1HMgxcC005571 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:42:59 -0500 Authentication-Results: cm-omr2 smtp.user=dcarmich@dcarmichael.net; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: dcarmich@dcarmichael.net Received: from [166.147.98.192] ([166.147.98.192:50151] helo=[10.55.14.117]) by cm-omr2 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id 0E/3D-07689-2F7DE3F4; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:42:58 -0500 References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <020601ccedc4$681c4d80$3854e880$@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <020601ccedc4$681c4d80$3854e880$@fisglobal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <41FD7AE2-6DCB-4326-BADC-0D165B4524C6@dcarmichael.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Douglas Carmichael Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:42:46 -0600 To: Devin Teske Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "" Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:59:07 -0000 I would prefer having the option of four partitions for fault tolerance reas= ons if needed. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >> questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Swiger >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:18 PM >> To: david.robison@fisglobal.com >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: One or Four? >>=20 >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: >>> We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default= > with 4 >> partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and swap. >>=20 >> For a user/desktop machine, I prefer one root partition. For other roles= like > a >> server, I prefer multiple partitions which have been sized for the intend= ed > usage. >>=20 >=20 > Then does the question ultimately become... >=20 > "Shall we then have two algorithms and ask the user whether they are insta= lling > for the desktop versus server?" >=20 > If that's the case, then I think this is something I could personally live= with > (as it then becomes possible to obtain the old layout of 4 partitions with= > auto-calculated sizes ala Colin Percival's last sizing algorithm committed= in > version 1.149 of src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/label.c made pre-SVN 6 years 6 mo= nths > ago). >=20 > See > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/Attic/label.= c?rev=3D > 1.149;content-type=3Dtext%2Fx-cvsweb-markup >=20 > The above link describes the partition scheme that I and colleagues seek-m= ost to > return to FreeBSD 9.x and higher. >=20 > I argue that Colin's algorithm is still useful for servers and is still th= e > preferred method of allocation for servers and thus should remain an optio= n, > even if we don't change the [new] default back to the above linked-to sche= me. > --=20 > Devin >=20 >=20 > _____________ > The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidenti= al. 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Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 22:59:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AE31065672 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29EC8FC15 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F985C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:13:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5AB305C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:13:11 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3EDAC2.9060808@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:54:58 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:59:46 -0000 On 02/18/12 08:40, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Robison, Dave > wrote: >> Hiya, >> >> A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as >> opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD. >> >> It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap as >> such: >> >> / >> /tmp >> /var >> /usr >> swap >> >> The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which >> creates only one partition and swap, with everything living under a single >> "/" partition as such: >> >> / >> swap >> >> We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default >> with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and >> swap. >> >> This is not a discussion of MBR vs GPT. The default moving forward from 9.x >> will be to use GPT. >> >> We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as one >> wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We want to >> know if people would prefer the older style default with four partitions and >> swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire Disk". >> >> Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > / and /usr should be merged together, /var should stay separate, and > /tmp should be tmpfs :) > > At least that's my preferred server configuration starting with 9.0. I > see no benefits in keeping / and /usr separate. A desktop can have > /var on the same file system as well, but servers should always > isolate it. > > Just a few days ago, a misbehaving php script filled-up my entire /var > partition when it got into an endless loop. I've since realized the > value of blocking repeated error log messages in php configuration, > but keeping /var away from the rest was a good safety net. I don't see how a server and desktop should be handled differently, in fact a desktop could be more disastrous than a server so the separate partitions have saved asses many times. /tmp should be tmpfs, yes; but / and /usr should be separate still (c'mon! It's only 1G; why quibble?) because desktop users are not always as 'diligent' as they should be with space, or something else can occur to fill it up. If it is full, then you can't put a fix in /root/, edit fstab, rc.conf, syslog.conf, anything. There are serious consequences to a full file system that can render the system useless. A server may be mission critical, production, whatever; but a desktop user doesn't want too much hassle to restore the system either, especially on a laptop. They certainly don't want to blow the system away and start again for something that silly (dramatic and over the top, I know, but a new user may do just that if they don't know how to fix it quickly without difficulty). The cost of the original layout was small, and the benefit was huge, I've still set all my systems this way (desktop/server). If you are going to change back to the old behaviour don't discriminate. And on that note: I have my hand up and waving wildly :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:02:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751191065672 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dcarmich@dcarmichael.net) Received: from omr14.networksolutionsemail.com (omr14.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74A48FC18 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cm-omr11 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr14.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1HMpQNQ007604 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:51:26 -0500 Authentication-Results: cm-omr11 smtp.user=dcarmich@dcarmichael.net; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: dcarmich@dcarmichael.net Received: from [166.147.98.192] ([166.147.98.192:46557] helo=[10.55.14.117]) by cm-omr11 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES128-SHA) id 44/1F-29825-EE9DE3F4; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:51:26 -0500 References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <3045DF0F-CCC0-4322-9A02-73C53A2865BC@dcarmichael.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Douglas Carmichael Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:51:22 -0600 To: Polytropon Cc: "david.robison@fisglobal.com" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:02:24 -0000 I like this because it gives the user a choice, and it clearly lays out the c= hoices based on partition schemes instead of a less-specific 'machine use' c= hoice. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Polytropon wrote: > Four? There should be five! :-) >=20 > Read on to find out why. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:05:23 -0800, Robison, Dave wrote: >> We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default=20= >> with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and=20= >> swap. >=20 > In my case, preference depends on use. When I'm unable to > predict how partition occupation will develop, going with > one / partition is a good approach. It can also be useful > for cases like home desktops. >=20 > Other cases, like dedicated servers or systems that use > more than one physical disk (e. g. one system disk, one > home disk) the approach of using more than one partition > is welcome. >=20 > I'd like to mention that using different partitions for > a logical separation of mechanisms and functionalities > can be a _big_ help in worst case (which you'll hopefully > never will encounter, but be prepared). For example, if > you have file system trouble with the /home partition, > you can bring the system up in a limited state (SUM), > make the partition "ro" and get the data. You can then > boot the system into the normal state (MUM) with using > the copy you made, leaving the original /home partition > unmounted and untouched. In case of data recovery and > forensic analysis this can be your chance to get your > data back. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as=20= >> one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We=20 >> want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four=20 >> partitions and swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire=20= >> Disk". >=20 > Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default > with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ > default style for separated partitions include: >=20 > / > swap > /tmp > /var > /usr > /home >=20 > In special cases, add /opt or /scratch as separate partitions > with intendedly limited sizes. >=20 > You can see that all user data is kept independently from > the rest of the system. It can easily be switched over to > a separate "home disk" if needed. >=20 > What's the reason for this? Limited partitions are often > considered a problem, but they can be a system's life saver. > Just imagine you have all functional parts of the system in > one big / tree, let's also say /tmp is writable for users > (and it's not a memory file system); now a maliciously acting > user or program could fill /tmp with lots of data, occupying > the full disk. Soon, /var/log cannot be written anymore, and > also other processes that need to write something may get > into trouble. If /tmp is a separate partition, only /tmp can > get "out of disk space", with /var being fully untouched. >=20 > Also keep in mind that some tools like to operate on partition > level, such as dump (and restore). System tools like quota can > also be used on a partition level. As I mentioned before, being > able to mount a partition read-only can be helpful sometimes, > same goes for other mount options, such as noexec or noatime. > When dealing with this low level stuff is neccessary (e. g. on > embedded systems or systems that are low on resources where you > need to squeeze every bit of performance by fine tuning), having > individual partitions can be a big help. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. >=20 > Why not add a selection to the installer, something like > this: >=20 > Partition scheme > ---------------- >=20 > [ ] all in one + swap > Create one partition containing all subtrees > plus one swap partition. >=20 > [ ] separate partitioning + swap > Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home) > partitions plus one swap partition. >=20 > [ ] user-defined > Make your own partitioning selection manually. >=20 > Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be > reasonable. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" >=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:11:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD33106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A816E8FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa03 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1HMRsxe027680; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:11:39 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 131yq483u5-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:11:39 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:11:38 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Jerry McAllister'" , "'Polytropon'" References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:11:52 -0800 Message-ID: <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIQVcbiHxAZ45udkmdcvfmJBlTk1ADf+AHrAO5P0/GVrHI3UA== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: david.robison@fisglobal.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:11:43 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jerry McAllister > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:53 PM > To: Polytropon > Cc: david.robison@fisglobal.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > > > > > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > > > > Why not add a selection to the installer, something like > > this: > > > > Partition scheme > > ---------------- > > > > [ ] all in one + swap > > Create one partition containing all subtrees > > plus one swap partition. > > > > [ ] separate partitioning + swap > > Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home) > > partitions plus one swap partition. > > > > [ ] user-defined > > Make your own partitioning selection manually. > > > > Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be > > reasonable. > > > > Yes. Yes. This is the way to go. > I'd agree, but I'd like to envision a modular approach where multiple schemes can be maintained. E.g. a menu containing... "Scheme 1: / + swap + /tmp" "Scheme 2: / + swap + /tmp + /var" "Scheme 3: / + swap + /tmp + /var + /usr" "Scheme 4: / + swap + /tmp + /var + /usr + /home" NOTE: See what I did there? There is no option for "/ ", explanation below. I'm actually thinking that "not having a separate /tmp" is: a. A security issue /tmp is by-default out-of-the-box world-writable (perms 1777). Making this world-writable bucket part of "/" seems silly both for Desktops and Servers alike. b. A nuisance As "Da Rock" points out, ... recovering your system from a file-system-full-event when using "single-/" is just as difficult regardless of Desktop versus Server. Having "/tmp" alleviates the difficulty. c. A performance issue I'm surprised nobody has pointed out the physical performance limitations of rotating disks with respect to physical location of partitions on the spindle. Granted, seek times are light years beyond what they used to be, but allocating smaller "swap" and "tmp" partitions close to the center of the spindle is a performance-enhancing setup just as much as it is for protecting against file-system-full problems (security events included). === I'd argue that there should never be a single-"/" unless you are prepared to deal with a truly 100%-full filesystem problem (especially considering that Desktop users whom select the default-everything are often not skilled enough to deal with that situation). If someone truly wants a single "/" and nothing else, there's manual partitioning (which should prove pretty easy in the event that you're only creating one partition and nothing else). -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:20:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2734106572F for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126868FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBF599.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.245.153]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1HNJvUH017630; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:19:58 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1HNN9sv028175; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:23:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1HNMvc3039898; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:23:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201202172323.q1HNMvc3039898@fire.js.berklix.net> To: david.robison@fisglobal.com From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:05:23 PST." <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:22:57 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:20:14 -0000 > We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default > with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and > swap. I've been doing Unix 30+ years, so there's a tendency to respond "Multiple", 'cos seeing a single 1 partition on a system normaly meant it had been set up by someone clueless or lazy. Though not always, as there could very occasionaly be good reason for it. ... & ZFS now muddies the water. However whichever way ... > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. No. Bad idea. Not on questions@, the list of the least clued up, the list raw beginners are referred to subscribe to. At least get a majority on hackers@ or current@ or arch@. Some answers one sees on questions@ are very good, but some are ... the other way. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:23:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A406B106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B328FC17 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-127-244.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.127.244]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396201DEE7; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:23:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q1HNNLlR044994; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:23:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:23:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Devin Teske Message-Id: <20120218002321.55c738ad.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:23:23 -0000 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:11:52 -0800, Devin Teske wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jerry McAllister > > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:53 PM > > To: Polytropon > > Cc: david.robison@fisglobal.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > > > > > > > > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > > > > > > Why not add a selection to the installer, something like > > > this: > > > > > > Partition scheme > > > ---------------- > > > > > > [ ] all in one + swap > > > Create one partition containing all subtrees > > > plus one swap partition. > > > > > > [ ] separate partitioning + swap > > > Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home) > > > partitions plus one swap partition. > > > > > > [ ] user-defined > > > Make your own partitioning selection manually. > > > > > > Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be > > > reasonable. > > > > > > > Yes. Yes. This is the way to go. Let me change the caption of the second choice to this: [ ] traditionally separated partitioning + swap Because it's the installer's tradition to put /home into /usr. > I'd agree, but I'd like to envision a modular approach where multiple schemes > can be maintained. > > E.g. a menu containing... > > "Scheme 1: / + swap + /tmp" > "Scheme 2: / + swap + /tmp + /var" > "Scheme 3: / + swap + /tmp + /var + /usr" > "Scheme 4: / + swap + /tmp + /var + /usr + /home" I'm missing scheme 5 with /opt. :-) According to combinatoric possibilities, / + swap + /tmp + /usr is also missing. It would be no good idea (in my opinion) to present the user a list of _all_ possible combinations just in case he would like to have one of them. My idea to use three options ("minimal", "traditional", user-defined) would be fully sufficient, as all those who have no idea what they do would use the first choice, those who intendedly want the traditional approach would use the second choice, and all those not wanting one of those would be clever enough to deal with manually defining their own scheme. > I'm actually thinking that "not having a separate /tmp" is: > > a. A security issue > > /tmp is by-default out-of-the-box world-writable (perms 1777). Making this > world-writable bucket part of "/" seems silly both for Desktops and Servers > alike. Fully agree. I pointed out why this can be dangerous. Having /tmp in memory is good (and secure!) if it's possible (note: enough RAM needed), but not an option on systems low on RAM. This kind of possible fine tuning partition-wise (soft updates, journaling, quota, dump, ro, noexec, noatime etc.) doesn't typically take place on average desktops, but there may be cases where you need to do that. > b. A nuisance > > As "Da Rock" points out, ... recovering your system from a > file-system-full-event when using "single-/" is just as difficult regardless of > Desktop versus Server. Having "/tmp" alleviates the difficulty. I don't think the separation "desktop vs. server" serves well here. It's not about what kind of machine (or form factor) is used, but the actual _employment_ of the machine, the intended way of using it is. Note that there are also mixed forms, e. g. a home desktop that provides some server functionalities. That's why I think making a selection for partitioning schemes should take SCHEMES into mind, not "server or desktop". > c. A performance issue > > I'm surprised nobody has pointed out the physical performance limitations of > rotating disks with respect to physical location of partitions on the spindle. > Granted, seek times are light years beyond what they used to be, but allocating > smaller "swap" and "tmp" partitions close to the center of the spindle is a > performance-enhancing setup just as much as it is for protecting against > file-system-full problems (security events included). As I said, sometimes you need to squeeze every bit of performance out of a machine. Fiddling with the location of certain functional pieces of the OS _on the disk_ can be a big help here. > I'd argue that there should never be a single-"/" unless you are prepared to > deal with a truly 100%-full filesystem problem (especially considering that > Desktop users whom select the default-everything are often not skilled enough to > deal with that situation). If someone truly wants a single "/" and nothing else, > there's manual partitioning (which should prove pretty easy in the event that > you're only creating one partition and nothing else). Yes, that's also possible, but I think having it as a option to be checked is what especially novice users would want. They would select the first (default) choice anyway without reading, so it might be a chance to learn. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:24:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C82106566B for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210908FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa02 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1HMQCjI014962; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:24:41 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 131wwyrgxs-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:24:41 -0600 Received: from lefty.vicor.com (10.14.152.55) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:24:40 -0600 Message-ID: <4F3EE1B7.5010905@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:24:39 -0800 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <201202172323.q1HNMvc3039898@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201202172323.q1HNMvc3039898@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.55] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:24:49 -0000 On 02/17/2012 15:22, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > >> Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > No. Bad idea. Not on questions@, the list of the least clued up, > the list raw beginners are referred to subscribe to. At least get > a majority on hackers@ or current@ or arch@. Some answers one sees > on questions@ are very good, but some are ... the other way. > > > Cheers, > Julian Actually, the discussion and ideas so far have been very interesting and helpful. Keep it coming. Dave -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com david.robison@fisglobal.com _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:34:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE8B106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E988FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B86C5C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:47:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CB4C5C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:47:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3EE2E8.3040000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:29:44 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201202172323.q1HNMvc3039898@fire.js.berklix.net> <4F3EE1B7.5010905@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3EE1B7.5010905@fisglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:34:33 -0000 On 02/18/12 09:24, Robison, Dave wrote: > On 02/17/2012 15:22, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> >> >>> Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. >> No. Bad idea. Not on questions@, the list of the least clued up, >> the list raw beginners are referred to subscribe to. At least get >> a majority on hackers@ or current@ or arch@. Some answers one sees >> on questions@ are very good, but some are ... the other way. So not everyone gets to vote? What happened to democracy :) > Actually, the discussion and ideas so far have been very interesting > and helpful. > > Keep it coming. It has been rather interesting to find the limits of the extreme. The performance aspects are a very good point, one of the original reasons why the layout was chosen to begin with. Not so much an issue now... but still valid. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:54:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636D2106564A for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fquest@paz.bz) Received: from mail.qcislands.net (mail.qcislands.net [207.34.147.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356778FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 100-236-53-209.qcislands.net ([209.53.236.100] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by mail.qcislands.net with esmtp (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1RyXd5-0009nc-Lf; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:54:21 -0800 Message-ID: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:54:18 -0800 From: Jim Pazarena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-local_scan: locally submitted (100) Subject: swap space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:24 -0000 is there a command which can show the size of the hard drive swap? A "df" seems to avoid the swap area. This would be on a live production server. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:55:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AB11065676 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:55:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout020.mac.com (asmtpout020.mac.com [17.148.16.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E33E8FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:55:50 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by asmtp020.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LZK001UJAH12P20@asmtp020.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:55:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=2 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170267 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:55:49 -0800 Message-id: <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> To: Devin Teske X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD - Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:55:50 -0000 On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > a. A security issue > > /tmp is by-default out-of-the-box world-writable (perms 1777). Yes. It works as intended even when /tmp is part of a single root partition; although mounting /tmp as a RAM- or swap-based tmpfs filesystem might be better for many situations. > Making this world-writable bucket part of "/" seems silly both for Desktops and Servers alike. You're welcome to your opinion. However, I suspect you're expecting FreeBSD systems to always be partitioned and administered by knowledgeable BSD Unix sysadmins, and those are not always so readily available as one might assume. > b. A nuisance > > As "Da Rock" points out, ... recovering your system from a > file-system-full-event when using "single-/" is just as difficult regardless of > Desktop versus Server. Having "/tmp" alleviates the difficulty. It would if /tmp was mounted on a disk partition, and if it also happened to be where space was being consumed. /var/log and /home tend to be more likely locations in my experience, but YMMV. > c. A performance issue > > I'm surprised nobody has pointed out the physical performance limitations of > rotating disks with respect to physical location of partitions on the spindle. > Granted, seek times are light years beyond what they used to be, but allocating > smaller "swap" and "tmp" partitions close to the center of the spindle is a > performance-enhancing setup just as much as it is for protecting against > file-system-full problems (security events included). I suggest you do some measurements; starting with diskinfo -t, or something like HDTach for Windows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HD_Tach_Hitachi_HTS541616J9S_SB40-screenshot.png It's very typical for the outermost tracks of a disk drive to be up to twice as fast as the innermost tracks due to the greater amount of data available per cylinder on the outer tracks. These outer tracks are most often given LBA 0, and the drive writes data inwards with higher LBA #'s. [ If performance is especially critical, folks will partition the disks so that they only use the outermost third or so of the disk, to maximize read/write performance and minimize seeking; this is known as "short stroking" a disk... ] > I'd argue that there should never be a single-"/" unless you are prepared to > deal with a truly 100%-full filesystem problem (especially considering that > Desktop users whom select the default-everything are often not skilled enough to > deal with that situation). If someone truly wants a single "/" and nothing else, > there's manual partitioning (which should prove pretty easy in the event that > you're only creating one partition and nothing else). More sophisticated partition schemes certainly can have value in terms of better isolation from unexpected logfile growth (etc), a separation of OS-provided files from user content, a separation of stuff which doesn't change often versus stuff that does, and so forth. However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using MacOS X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they sometimes do fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able to recover from without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual issues in running a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty fixing things afterwards-- but such doesn't happen very often if you monitor your systems properly, and have time to respond to "low-space" conditions before they turn into "out of space" conditions. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:56:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6A21065772 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:56:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FC58FC1D for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1HNuQQw027271; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:56:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4F3EE928.5000008@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:56:24 -0500 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Pazarena References: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> In-Reply-To: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: swap space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:56:31 -0000 On 2/17/2012 6:54 PM, Jim Pazarena wrote: > is there a command which can show the size of the hard drive swap? > % pstat -T 438/12328 files 98M/10240M swap space ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:58:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8292106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout025.mac.com (asmtpout025.mac.com [17.148.16.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC3F8FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:58:32 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by asmtp025.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LZK00IIYAL5CB60@asmtp025.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:58:18 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170267 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:58:17 -0800 Message-id: References: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> To: Jim Pazarena X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: swap space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:58:32 -0000 On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Jim Pazarena wrote: > is there a command which can show the size of the hard drive swap? > > A "df" seems to avoid the swap area. You're looking for "swapinfo".... Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 23:59:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9154E1065670 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 172-17-150-251.globalsuite.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDE5B26F8; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F3EE984.8020007@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:57:56 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120213 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4F3E5925.8020004@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4F3E5925.8020004@my.gd> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Jeremy Chadwick Subject: Re: DNS - slaving the root zone X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:59:27 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 02/17/2012 05:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Hello list, Jeremy, Doug, > > > We're currently having a discussion on the FRnOG mailing list regarding > the laughable announcement of an attack on the DNS root servers by > Anonymous. Given their success at their previous endeavors, I wouldn't call it "laughable." Even if they are unsuccessful at taking down all of the root servers, if *your* particular part of the Internet gets knocked down, that's pretty important to you, right? OTOH, I think that actually doing what they state they want to do will be very difficult, and not likely to produce the results that they believe it will. However, unlike some in the DNS/Security communities I do not intend to outline the deficiencies in their plan, lest they take advantage of the opportunity to improve it. :) > I've kinda hijacked the thread to ask whether people slave the root zone > or not, and why if not. Well there is no secret that I (and many others) think it's a good idea. > Active poster, renowned blogger and AFNIC worker Stephane Bortzmeyer > pointed out that it might not be a good idea and submitted the following > discussion from 2007 as reference: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2007-August/075895.html I know Stephane professionally, and I respect his opinion about many topics. On this topic we disagree. > Do you still believe slaving the root zone to be a bad idea ? I never thought it was a bad idea. I've been suggesting that people do it for years. :) To clarify, almost universally the opposition to the idea centers around the problems of users who enable this method, and then don't notice if something changes/breaks, resulting in a stale zone (or zones, depending on what you choose to slave). I have always acknowledged that this is a valid concern, just not one that I think overwhelms the virtues of doing the slaving in the first place. The method currently in comments in /etc/namedb/named.conf suggests servers generously provided by ICANN that are dedicated to allowing AXFR of various infrastructure zones. (Note, ICANN does not necessarily endorse the idea of slaving these zones for resolvers, but I do have their permission to include these servers in our named.conf.) That alleviates one of the other criticisms of slaving these zones, as it presents no load on the actual root servers at all. So in short, this is an excellent idea, I've been doing it/recommending it for years, and assuming you have the knowledge/ability to keep your resolvers up to date (and/or you're tracking our named.conf where I do it for you) then it's totally safe to do. hth, Doug - -- It's always a long day; 86400 doesn't fit into a short. Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJPPumEAAoJEFzGhvEaGryE5PUH/RmKV4VLjj+iaThsP3BMsN6M hapYkYUCLeCjPRcN1mhHuR8sjIZ+NV/UUs7MtBxxKzPkeQQx65vmY1pDD66BPIFA qAFix/BqUbpYoBKLwkPkVMCEF7JCpJ5D8r+4EedybLvxzivpbdzROrPhyOHBinTB 5hxYUfb1t1peY23C4pk3+3k9kSFm0A1lF0JhNCdsvXTl8nZF1LiCChllwN7S//mH F1jAPHqNtxi+//LzFY913yCHtNrOi2PJT+iiKBBbJxgnr5+HvzdhXATPWEzB1AZE nDZcc5+zETiFKeTn/zyk4FXoWskcgkYeOfLY1ka+afe6djWsZDb5q8GKVpThgJQ= =EmJF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:03:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09114106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:03:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45248FC19 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa04 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa04.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1HNPhRQ023098; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:03:07 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa04.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 131wsqrms1-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:03:07 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:03:05 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Chuck Swiger'" References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:03:20 -0800 Message-ID: <021301ccedd0$b9c86400$2d592c00$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIQVcbiHxAZ45udkmdcvfmJBlTk1ADf+AHrAO5P0/ECBuax7AI7R1ptlYpwzBA= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: 'FreeBSD -' Subject: RE: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:03:08 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswiger@mac.com] > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:56 PM > To: Devin Teske > Cc: FreeBSD - > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > > a. A security issue > > > > /tmp is by-default out-of-the-box world-writable (perms 1777). > > Yes. It works as intended even when /tmp is part of a single root partition; > although mounting /tmp as a RAM- or swap-based tmpfs filesystem might be > better for many situations. > > > Making this world-writable bucket part of "/" seems silly both for Desktops and > Servers alike. > > You're welcome to your opinion. However, I suspect you're expecting FreeBSD > systems to always be partitioned and administered by knowledgeable BSD Unix > sysadmins, and those are not always so readily available as one might assume. > > > b. A nuisance > > > > As "Da Rock" points out, ... recovering your system from a > > file-system-full-event when using "single-/" is just as difficult regardless of > > Desktop versus Server. Having "/tmp" alleviates the difficulty. > > It would if /tmp was mounted on a disk partition, and if it also happened to be > where space was being consumed. Actually, what I meant to say was: If you have only "single-/" and your filesystem becomes full, having a separate "/tmp" on the same physical medium can alleviate the issue of "having no space to work" because you can mount "/tmp" (as the odds of both "/" and "/tmp" filling up simultaneously and both becoming 100%-full is far-less likely to occur than having a single partition fill up to max all). Thus, having a "/ + /tmp" is infinitely wiser than "single-/ without /tmp (or any partition for that matter)". The argument not necessarily being in favor of "/tmp", but being dis-favorable against any scheme that involves only one partition which can blindly be filled and leave the user (at least in a single-disk scenario) no free space to do anything once-full. This is somewhat different than what you were referring to, which is that having "/tmp" simply for the sake of not allowing others to fill your system. Rather, I'm arguing that "/tmp" also saves you by giving you somewhere to work if/when you *DO* fill your "/". > /var/log and /home tend to be more likely > locations in my experience, but YMMV. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:03:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AD41065680 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:03:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54798FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so2880812wib.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of juvix88@gmail.com designates 10.180.83.70 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.83.70; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of juvix88@gmail.com designates 10.180.83.70 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=juvix88@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=juvix88@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.83.70]) by 10.180.83.70 with SMTP id o6mr1373546wiy.19.1329523378807 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:02:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zlmjry4Jk70xvZnVVV7xi5b55TGut6KWnHVoz07QdUg=; b=hVNwGYLrEhC+QSnVPlm90oTnw2flbvv8jmP8HzuuhzTdRPJjA5O2Mxh4mXUhvAffTN /odLhrmCBVmrsENe8j1dg4N97PB96zfhCmSw2YWIilomcSfTLxwoehkYFy2MfDZTx5xc Z6HtZY4P/YT5wlOn0JxOzWycT2oMuJoITFDRY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.83.70 with SMTP id o6mr1185732wiy.19.1329523378742; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.24.234 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.24.234 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:02:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> References: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:02:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Vomacka To: Jim Pazarena Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: swap space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:03:00 -0000 On Feb 17, 2012 6:55 PM, "Jim Pazarena" wrote: > > is there a command which can show the size of the hard drive swap? > > A "df" seems to avoid the swap area. > > This would be on a live production server. > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Top or vmstat From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:10:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49AA106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644E18FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa06 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa06.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1HNQCYj001539 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:10:02 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa06.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 131wj90q4a-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:10:02 -0600 Received: from lefty.vicor.com (10.14.152.55) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:10:02 -0600 Message-ID: <4F3EEC58.1000308@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:10:00 -0800 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.55] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:10:03 -0000 On 02/17/2012 15:55, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > Yes. It works as intended even when /tmp is part of a single root partition; although mounting /tmp as a RAM- or swap-based tmpfs filesystem might be better for many situations. Sure it has its uses, but now you're jumping into new territory where the installer has to either ask the user to create tmpfs or make the decision to do it on its own. As has been stated, this is fine if sufficient RAM is available. Personally I don't like using RAM for tmp. >> Making this world-writable bucket part of "/" seems silly both for Desktops and Servers alike. > You're welcome to your opinion. However, I suspect you're expecting FreeBSD systems to always be partitioned and administered by knowledgeable BSD Unix sysadmins, and those are not always so readily available as one might assume. > I'm not sure why someone has to be knowledgeable to select a particular partitioning scheme. Is it better for a novice to have one big / to fill up as opposed to a separate /var or /tmp? >> b. A nuisance >> >> As "Da Rock" points out, ... recovering your system from a >> file-system-full-event when using "single-/" is just as difficult regardless of >> Desktop versus Server. Having "/tmp" alleviates the difficulty. > It would if /tmp was mounted on a disk partition, and if it also happened to be where space was being consumed. /var/log and /home tend to be more likely locations in my experience, but YMMV. > Actually, in my experience I have huge problems with users misusing /tmp as a holding spot for all manner of files. I like keeping /tmp separate and smallish to discourage its use for everyday transfers. Those things belong in a users home directory, not in /tmp. > > However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using MacOS X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they sometimes do fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able to recover from without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual issues in running a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty fixing things afterwards-- but such doesn't happen very often if you monitor your systems properly, and have time to respond to "low-space" conditions before they turn into "out of space" conditions. > > Regards, Previously you said that knowledgeable unix admins aren't as common as might be thought... now you're making the assumption that these same novice users will monitor their systems properly for low-space conditions. In a perfect world we all have snmp running properly or some other way to notify us of impending doom. In the real world these things always seem to sneak up and bite us on the behind. However this is all superfluous conversation if the installer gives each user a variety of options. You can select your "one big partition" scheme or go with multiple partitions depending on your preference, and from what I've read so far, this seems to be not only a reasonable idea, but also one which many people would prefer. Dave -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com david.robison@fisglobal.com _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:11:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC6D1065674 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:11:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF33F8FC17 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa02 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1HNRpW1012435 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:11:30 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 1320k1g3ec-3 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:11:30 -0600 Received: from lefty.vicor.com (10.14.152.55) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:11:26 -0600 Message-ID: <4F3EECAD.10108@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:11:25 -0800 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110120 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: References: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.55] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: swap space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:11:31 -0000 On 02/17/2012 15:58, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Jim Pazarena wrote: >> is there a command which can show the size of the hard drive swap? >> >> A "df" seems to avoid the swap area. > You're looking for "swapinfo".... > > Regards, Chuck beat me to it. "swapinfo" or top are the two ways I normally check. -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com david.robison@fisglobal.com _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:11:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E150E10658C7 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95CC8FC1C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa07 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1HNQ9RR000409; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:11:46 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 131ynb08wf-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:11:46 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:11:45 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Chuck Swiger'" References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:11:59 -0800 Message-ID: <021501ccedd1$ef4201d0$cdc60570$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIQVcbiHxAZ45udkmdcvfmJBlTk1ADf+AHrAO5P0/ECBuax7AI7R1ptlYpzH2A= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: 'FreeBSD -' Subject: RE: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:11:47 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswiger@mac.com] > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:56 PM > To: Devin Teske > Cc: FreeBSD - > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > [snip] > > I'd argue that there should never be a single-"/" unless you are prepared to > > deal with a truly 100%-full filesystem problem (especially considering that > > Desktop users whom select the default-everything are often not skilled enough > to > > deal with that situation). If someone truly wants a single "/" and nothing else, > > there's manual partitioning (which should prove pretty easy in the event that > > you're only creating one partition and nothing else). > > > More sophisticated partition schemes certainly can have value in terms of better > isolation from unexpected logfile growth (etc), a separation of OS-provided files > from user content, a separation of stuff which doesn't change often versus stuff > that does, and so forth. > > However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using MacOS > X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they sometimes do > fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able to recover from > without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual issues in running > a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty fixing things > afterwards-- Recipe for disaster: 1. You have a cron-job that pulls down /etc/master.passwd daily 2. Your cron-job also runs pwd_mkdb after "SUP"ing down /etc/master.passwd 3. A program fills "/" 4. cron fires 5. pwd_mkdb can't generate databases because not enough room on filesystem 6. System can no longer be logged into 7. System is rebooted 8. Can't log in (not even as root) 9. Go into single-user mode 10. No space to work in Sure... you can call it an "edge-case," but it's pretty common and this is only one of a myriad of ways we can reproduce the problem of filling-up "/" to cause major headaches. For example, let's say you don't have a cron-job that runs pwd_mkdb etc. Let's say you're just blissfully unaware of your disk space (or lack thereof) and you execute "vipw". Exiting the program after making changes invokes pwd_mkdb and if there isn't enough disk space to accommodate the database, you're hosed. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:18:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460E8106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:18:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8178FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1HNnVqF042215; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:49:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:49:31 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Hill To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: david.robison@fisglobal.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:18:22 -0000 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Polytropon wrote: > Why not add a selection to the installer, something like > this: > > Partition scheme > ---------------- > > [ ] all in one + swap > Create one partition containing all subtrees > plus one swap partition. > > [ ] separate partitioning + swap > Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home) > partitions plus one swap partition. > > [ ] user-defined > Make your own partitioning selection manually. > > Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be > reasonable. I like it. This, or something very similar, seems to me like the best way to go. I am not a professional sysadmin, but have been using FreeBSD since 2.2.6. FWIW, I prefer the multi-partition approach for all the reasons already mentioned. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:19:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF661065674 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:19:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074738FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa06 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa06.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1HNQCZ3001539 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:19:14 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.16]) by ltcfislmsgpa06.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 131wj90qqv-3 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:19:14 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:19:05 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: , References: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> <4F3EECAD.10108@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3EECAD.10108@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:19:19 -0800 Message-ID: <021701ccedd2$f5616e60$e0244b20$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHdtOiamC4UkLSLSDaxUF+Ezs7weAINuv/sAdZh2DmWARsAkA== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: Subject: RE: swap space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:19:15 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Robison, Dave > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:11 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: swap space > > On 02/17/2012 15:58, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Jim Pazarena wrote: > >> is there a command which can show the size of the hard drive swap? > >> > >> A "df" seems to avoid the swap area. > > You're looking for "swapinfo".... > > > > Regards, > > Chuck beat me to it. > > "swapinfo" or top are the two ways I normally check. > I'm digging the fact that it now accepts "-h" to produce human-readable sizes. swapinfo didn't always support "-h" -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:27:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D58E1065670 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:27:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech.junk@myfairpoint.net) Received: from mail28c26.carrierzone.com (mailc26-lb1-ajip.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D968FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:27:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: tech.junk.myfairpoint.net Received: from tardis.cinnet (pool-72-71-207-176.cncdnh.fast03.myfairpoint.net [72.71.207.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail28c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1I0Rq9N029187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:27:53 -0500 Message-ID: <4F3EF087.7070900@myfairpoint.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:27:51 -0500 From: sean User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> <4F3DAE6F.3040706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=0EXi+CXgsfAduPhprmmD8KBMu83bRlin8VVsYxGsqUQ= c=1 sm=1 a=ARgoipcozPkA:10 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=qiV6Z9L8f1sA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:17 a=l7lXuSjKTBN0n5TKmPwA:9 a=0hRYTmiWKrCRo3k7aDwA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020207.4F3EF08C.0099,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tech.junk@myfairpoint.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:27:58 -0000 Well I deleted the symlinks, swfdec, and stepped through the instructions in the handbook again. Now when I run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i as a user I get the following, Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so ... already installed system-wide, skipping Auto-install plugins from /home/sean/.mozilla/plugins Looking for plugins in /home/sean/.mozilla/plugins As root I get, Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin Install plugin /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so into /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Auto-install plugins from /root/.mozilla/plugins Looking for plugins in /root/.mozilla/plugins The directory /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins tardis# ls -al total 164 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Feb 17 19:17 . drwxr-xr-x 40 root wheel 31744 Feb 17 18:58 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 125728 Feb 17 19:17 npwrapper.libflashplayer.so drwxr-xr-x 7 root wheel 512 Feb 16 07:30 symlinks I tried with and without the symlink the instructions specified and it made no difference, the linux flash plugin does not appear. I am open to any ideas. Thanks for all the help in either case. Sean From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:40:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F196E1065678 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:40:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout020.mac.com (asmtpout020.mac.com [17.148.16.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54968FC15 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:40:53 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by asmtp020.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LZK001ONCK55Q80@asmtp020.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:40:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170279 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <021501ccedd1$ef4201d0$cdc60570$@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:40:52 -0800 Message-id: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> <021501ccedd1$ef4201d0$cdc60570$@fisglobal.com> To: Devin Teske X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: 'FreeBSD -' Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:40:54 -0000 On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >> However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using MacOS >> X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they sometimes do >> fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able to recover from >> without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual issues in running >> a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty fixing things >> afterwards-- > > Recipe for disaster: > > 1. You have a cron-job that pulls down /etc/master.passwd daily > 2. Your cron-job also runs pwd_mkdb after "SUP"ing down /etc/master.passwd Yes, I agree that this is a recipe for disaster; the reasons not very correlated to disk space, however. Even twenty years ago, handling this via YP/NIS or NetInfo would have made more sense, and nowadays folks would be far more likely to use LDAP as the network user database, instead of pushing system password database changes via SUP or similar replication mechanism locally to individual hosts. > 3. A program fills "/" > 4. cron fires > 5. pwd_mkdb can't generate databases because not enough room on filesystem > 6. System can no longer be logged into #5 does not imply #6: if pwd_mkdb can't build a temporary version to /etc/pwd.db.tmp & /etc/spwd.db.tmp, it will exit with an error rather than invoke rename(2) to replace the working version of the password database with something that might be broken. To be very specific, I would expect one to get: "/: write failed, filesystem is full pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db to /etc/pwd.db.tmp: No space left on device" > 7. System is rebooted > 8. Can't log in (not even as root) > 9. Go into single-user mode > 10. No space to work in > > Sure... you can call it an "edge-case," but it's pretty common and this is only > one of a myriad of ways we can reproduce the problem of filling-up "/" to cause > major headaches. I've never heard of such a thing happening to a real FreeBSD system in the past decade or more. The closest match to the issue results in a failure of adduser(8) or pw(8) to add new users, but existing users continued to work fine. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:48:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56990106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech.junk@myfairpoint.net) Received: from mail28c26.carrierzone.com (mailc26-lb1-ajip.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E208FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:48:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: tech.junk.myfairpoint.net Received: from tardis.cinnet (pool-72-71-207-176.cncdnh.fast03.myfairpoint.net [72.71.207.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail28c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1I0mWut012064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:48:34 -0500 Message-ID: <4F3EF55F.9030300@myfairpoint.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:48:31 -0500 From: sean User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> <4F3DAE6F.3040706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3EF087.7070900@myfairpoint.net> In-Reply-To: <4F3EF087.7070900@myfairpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=0EXi+CXgsfAduPhprmmD8KBMu83bRlin8VVsYxGsqUQ= c=1 sm=1 a=ARgoipcozPkA:10 a=rfH5AOF9JjsA:10 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=qiV6Z9L8f1sA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:17 a=zG4blzuDAY126kMwu8EA:9 a=Q0ckfN5gkBXuTfIaKiIA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020B.4F3EF565.0038,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash (Success) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tech.junk@myfairpoint.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:48:38 -0000 On 02/17/12 19:27, sean wrote: > > > Now when I run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i as a user I get the following, > > Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins > Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins > Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin > Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin > Install plugin > /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so > ... already installed system-wide, skipping > Auto-install plugins from /home/sean/.mozilla/plugins > Looking for plugins in /home/sean/.mozilla/plugins > I noticed in the above information that it was looking for the flash plugin in the plugins directory under .mozilla. There was no such directory. I created the directory and ran nspluginwrapper again and flash is now listed and working. It seems to flicker on occasions a bit but it is running. Are there any tuning options that might be available to get rid of the occasional flicker? Thanks all, Sean From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:54:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29913106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E436E8FC1E for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa01 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa01.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1I0PUjx028814; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:54:23 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa01.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 132115g41w-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:54:23 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:54:22 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: "'Chuck Swiger'" References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> <021501ccedd1$ef4201d0$cdc60570$@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:54:36 -0800 Message-ID: <021901ccedd7$e3724490$aa56cdb0$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIQVcbiHxAZ45udkmdcvfmJBlTk1ADf+AHrAO5P0/ECBuax7AI7R1ptAo6ehoICrq7rxJVglXMQ Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: 'FreeBSD -' Subject: RE: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:54:24 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswiger@mac.com] > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:41 PM > To: Devin Teske > Cc: 'FreeBSD -' > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > >> However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using > MacOS > >> X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they sometimes > do > >> fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able to recover from > >> without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual issues in > running > >> a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty fixing things > >> afterwards-- > > > > Recipe for disaster: > > > > 1. You have a cron-job that pulls down /etc/master.passwd daily > > 2. Your cron-job also runs pwd_mkdb after "SUP"ing down /etc/master.passwd > > Yes, I agree that this is a recipe for disaster; the reasons not very correlated to > disk space, however. > > Even twenty years ago, handling this via YP/NIS or NetInfo would have made > more sense, and nowadays folks would be far more likely to use LDAP as the > network user database, instead of pushing system password database changes > via SUP or similar replication mechanism locally to individual hosts. > > > 3. A program fills "/" > > 4. cron fires > > 5. pwd_mkdb can't generate databases because not enough room on > filesystem > > 6. System can no longer be logged into > > #5 does not imply #6: if pwd_mkdb can't build a temporary version to > /etc/pwd.db.tmp & /etc/spwd.db.tmp, it will exit with an error rather than > invoke rename(2) to replace the working version of the password database with > something that might be broken. > Ok, then this is a departure from versions of yester-year. Glad to know that a temporary DB is built rather than rebuilding on-top of the existing DB (which last I checked 4.11 still does). > To be very specific, I would expect one to get: > > "/: write failed, filesystem is full > pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db to /etc/pwd.db.tmp: No space left on device" > Yeah, 4.11 wasn't so nice. > > 7. System is rebooted > > 8. Can't log in (not even as root) > > 9. Go into single-user mode > > 10. No space to work in > > > > Sure... you can call it an "edge-case," but it's pretty common and this is only > > one of a myriad of ways we can reproduce the problem of filling-up "/" to cause > > major headaches. > > > I've never heard of such a thing happening to a real FreeBSD system in the past > decade or more. Only only needs to go back to 4.11 for this time-bomb (which still bites us at least once every 6-12 months in production -- mind you we still employ about 3,000 4.x systems and are migrating to 8.x this year). -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 00:59:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AB4106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:59:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4288FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8D05C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:13:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5118D5C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:13:19 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3EF6EA.6070805@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:55:06 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> <021501ccedd1$ef4201d0$cdc60570$@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:59:54 -0000 On 02/18/12 10:40, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >>> However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using MacOS >>> X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they sometimes do >>> fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able to recover from >>> without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual issues in running >>> a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty fixing things >>> afterwards-- >> Recipe for disaster: >> >> 1. You have a cron-job that pulls down /etc/master.passwd daily >> 2. Your cron-job also runs pwd_mkdb after "SUP"ing down /etc/master.passwd > Yes, I agree that this is a recipe for disaster; the reasons not very correlated to disk space, however. > > Even twenty years ago, handling this via YP/NIS or NetInfo would have made more sense, and nowadays folks would be far more likely to use LDAP as the network user database, instead of pushing system password database changes via SUP or similar replication mechanism locally to individual hosts. > >> 3. A program fills "/" >> 4. cron fires >> 5. pwd_mkdb can't generate databases because not enough room on filesystem >> 6. System can no longer be logged into > #5 does not imply #6: if pwd_mkdb can't build a temporary version to /etc/pwd.db.tmp& /etc/spwd.db.tmp, it will exit with an error rather than invoke rename(2) to replace the working version of the password database with something that might be broken. > > To be very specific, I would expect one to get: > > "/: write failed, filesystem is full > pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db to /etc/pwd.db.tmp: No space left on device" > >> 7. System is rebooted >> 8. Can't log in (not even as root) >> 9. Go into single-user mode >> 10. No space to work in >> >> Sure... you can call it an "edge-case," but it's pretty common and this is only >> one of a myriad of ways we can reproduce the problem of filling-up "/" to cause >> major headaches. > > I've never heard of such a thing happening to a real FreeBSD system in the past decade or more. The closest match to the issue results in a failure of adduser(8) or pw(8) to add new users, but existing users continued to work fine. These are edge cases that _do_ happen - Linux (heaven forbid!) is reknown for the all /, and I've been unable to boot properly into it with a full disk. I had to use a live disk to rescue it which took hours thanks to the $%^&! lvm filesystem. Its just so easy to run a multi partition as opposed to an all /. And how much does it cost/hurt to do it (especially given the inordinately large hdd's these days)? Next to nix (pardon the pun :) ). The reduction in problems for new users should be an incentive as well. As for how quickly a disk can fill - I'm an expert :) I can fill a terabyte disk in a matter of hours with video and not notice. The transfers can be tricky to coordinate seeing as the disk fills faster than I can move the large files to another filesystem. And I haven't even mentioned some of the games that I'm sure a novice desktop user will use... You don't have to necessarily 'hose' the system to render it unusable. Just have some obscure program or service that requires something like a temp file or the like to stop it from working, and make it difficult to find whats wrong. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 01:02:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BE0106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD20C8FC15 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF575C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:15:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED8EF5C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:15:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3EF77C.20307@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:57:32 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> <4F3DAE6F.3040706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3EF087.7070900@myfairpoint.net> <4F3EF55F.9030300@myfairpoint.net> In-Reply-To: <4F3EF55F.9030300@myfairpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash (Success) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:02:20 -0000 On 02/18/12 10:48, sean wrote: > On 02/17/12 19:27, sean wrote: >> >> >> Now when I run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i as a user I get the following, >> >> Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins >> Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins >> Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin >> Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin >> Install plugin >> /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so >> ... already installed system-wide, skipping >> Auto-install plugins from /home/sean/.mozilla/plugins >> Looking for plugins in /home/sean/.mozilla/plugins >> > I noticed in the above information that it was looking for the flash > plugin in the plugins directory under .mozilla. > There was no such directory. > I created the directory and ran nspluginwrapper again and flash is now > listed and working. > It seems to flicker on occasions a bit but it is running. > Are there any tuning options that might be available to get rid of the > occasional flicker? I was just going to look into it further... glad you got it working. The flicker seems to be a new 'feature' for flash these days - also available on linux :) I haven't discovered any fix/tune for it, but if you find one post back so we can all enjoy ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 01:04:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6865106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:04:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610C98FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5985C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:18:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DD9725C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:18:17 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3EF815.4070000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:00:05 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> <021501ccedd1$ef4201d0$cdc60570$@fisglobal.com> <4F3EF6EA.6070805@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3EF6EA.6070805@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:04:53 -0000 On 02/18/12 10:55, Da Rock wrote: > On 02/18/12 10:40, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >>>> However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks >>>> using MacOS >>>> X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they >>>> sometimes do >>>> fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able >>>> to recover from >>>> without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual >>>> issues in running >>>> a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty >>>> fixing things >>>> afterwards-- >>> Recipe for disaster: >>> >>> 1. You have a cron-job that pulls down /etc/master.passwd daily >>> 2. Your cron-job also runs pwd_mkdb after "SUP"ing down >>> /etc/master.passwd >> Yes, I agree that this is a recipe for disaster; the reasons not very >> correlated to disk space, however. >> >> Even twenty years ago, handling this via YP/NIS or NetInfo would have >> made more sense, and nowadays folks would be far more likely to use >> LDAP as the network user database, instead of pushing system password >> database changes via SUP or similar replication mechanism locally to >> individual hosts. >> >>> 3. A program fills "/" >>> 4. cron fires >>> 5. pwd_mkdb can't generate databases because not enough room on >>> filesystem >>> 6. System can no longer be logged into >> #5 does not imply #6: if pwd_mkdb can't build a temporary version to >> /etc/pwd.db.tmp& /etc/spwd.db.tmp, it will exit with an error rather >> than invoke rename(2) to replace the working version of the password >> database with something that might be broken. >> >> To be very specific, I would expect one to get: >> >> "/: write failed, filesystem is full >> pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db to /etc/pwd.db.tmp: No space left on device" >> >>> 7. System is rebooted >>> 8. Can't log in (not even as root) >>> 9. Go into single-user mode >>> 10. No space to work in >>> >>> Sure... you can call it an "edge-case," but it's pretty common and >>> this is only >>> one of a myriad of ways we can reproduce the problem of filling-up >>> "/" to cause >>> major headaches. >> >> I've never heard of such a thing happening to a real FreeBSD system >> in the past decade or more. The closest match to the issue results >> in a failure of adduser(8) or pw(8) to add new users, but existing >> users continued to work fine. > These are edge cases that _do_ happen - Linux (heaven forbid!) is > reknown for the all /, and I've been unable to boot properly into it > with a full disk. I had to use a live disk to rescue it which took > hours thanks to the $%^&! lvm filesystem. > > Its just so easy to run a multi partition as opposed to an all /. And > how much does it cost/hurt to do it (especially given the inordinately > large hdd's these days)? Next to nix (pardon the pun :) ). The > reduction in problems for new users should be an incentive as well. > > As for how quickly a disk can fill - I'm an expert :) I can fill a > terabyte disk in a matter of hours with video and not notice. The > transfers can be tricky to coordinate seeing as the disk fills faster > than I can move the large files to another filesystem. > > And I haven't even mentioned some of the games that I'm sure a novice > desktop user will use... > > You don't have to necessarily 'hose' the system to render it unusable. > Just have some obscure program or service that requires something like > a temp file or the like to stop it from working, and make it difficult > to find whats wrong. I forgot to mention that the probable reason you haven't heard of any such problems on real FreeBSD _is_ because it doesn't use the all /, or a qualified sysadmin is watching over it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 01:05:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F2E1065677 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160DA8FC21 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa02 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1I0PVED004248 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:05:22 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 1320k1g7b4-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:05:22 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:05:21 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> <021501ccedd1$ef4201d0$cdc60570$@fisglobal.com> <4F3EF6EA.6070805@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3EF6EA.6070805@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:05:35 -0800 Message-ID: <021b01ccedd9$6c4180a0$44c481e0$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIQVcbiHxAZ45udkmdcvfmJBlTk1ADf+AHrAO5P0/ECBuax7AI7R1ptAo6ehoICrq7rxAIF4wx3lVBpW6A= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Subject: RE: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:05:23 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Da Rock > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:55 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > On 02/18/12 10:40, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > >>> However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using > MacOS > >>> X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they > sometimes do > >>> fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able to recover from > >>> without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual issues in > running > >>> a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty fixing things > >>> afterwards-- > >> Recipe for disaster: > >> > >> 1. You have a cron-job that pulls down /etc/master.passwd daily > >> 2. Your cron-job also runs pwd_mkdb after "SUP"ing down > /etc/master.passwd > > Yes, I agree that this is a recipe for disaster; the reasons not very correlated to > disk space, however. > > > > Even twenty years ago, handling this via YP/NIS or NetInfo would have made > more sense, and nowadays folks would be far more likely to use LDAP as the > network user database, instead of pushing system password database changes > via SUP or similar replication mechanism locally to individual hosts. > > > >> 3. A program fills "/" > >> 4. cron fires > >> 5. pwd_mkdb can't generate databases because not enough room on > filesystem > >> 6. System can no longer be logged into > > #5 does not imply #6: if pwd_mkdb can't build a temporary version to > /etc/pwd.db.tmp& /etc/spwd.db.tmp, it will exit with an error rather than > invoke rename(2) to replace the working version of the password database with > something that might be broken. > > > > > To be very specific, I would expect one to get: > > > > "/: write failed, filesystem is full > > pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db to /etc/pwd.db.tmp: No space left on device" > > > >> 7. System is rebooted > >> 8. Can't log in (not even as root) > >> 9. Go into single-user mode > >> 10. No space to work in > >> > >> Sure... you can call it an "edge-case," but it's pretty common and this is only > >> one of a myriad of ways we can reproduce the problem of filling-up "/" to > cause > >> major headaches. > > > > I've never heard of such a thing happening to a real FreeBSD system in the past > decade or more. The closest match to the issue results in a failure of adduser(8) > or pw(8) to add new users, but existing users continued to work fine. > These are edge cases that _do_ happen - Linux (heaven forbid!) is > reknown for the all /, and I've been unable to boot properly into it > with a full disk. I had to use a live disk to rescue it which took hours > thanks to the $%^&! lvm filesystem. > > Its just so easy to run a multi partition as opposed to an all /. And > how much does it cost/hurt to do it (especially given the inordinately > large hdd's these days)? Next to nix (pardon the pun :) ). The reduction > in problems for new users should be an incentive as well. > +1 I imagine an increased load on -questions@ for users that need extra hand-holding when they fill their entire disks versus incidentally filling a single partition. One requires instructions involving a live disc versus the latter which involves dinking with a still-very-usable system. Time-to-recover is inordinately skewed between the two situations, IMHO -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 01:10:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BA4106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3D18FC13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pps.filterd (ltcfislmsgpa03 [127.0.0.1]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1I0PcNL021868 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:10:00 -0600 Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.17]) by ltcfislmsgpa03.fnfis.com with ESMTP id 131yq48cqn-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:10:00 -0600 Received: from dtwin (10.14.152.15) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:09:59 -0600 From: Devin Teske To: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> <021501ccedd1$ef4201d0$cdc60570$@fisglobal.com> <4F3EF6EA.6070805@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3EF815.4070000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3EF815.4070000@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:10:13 -0800 Message-ID: <021d01ccedda$11dc1070$35943150$@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIQVcbiHxAZ45udkmdcvfmJBlTk1ADf+AHrAO5P0/ECBuax7AI7R1ptAo6ehoICrq7rxAIF4wx3Agj/6FSVQCLc0A== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.15] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-17_04:2012-02-17, 2012-02-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Subject: RE: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:10:01 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Da Rock > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 5:00 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > On 02/18/12 10:55, Da Rock wrote: > > On 02/18/12 10:40, Chuck Swiger wrote: > >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > >>>> However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks > >>>> using MacOS > >>>> X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they > >>>> sometimes do > >>>> fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able > >>>> to recover from > >>>> without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual > >>>> issues in running > >>>> a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty > >>>> fixing things > >>>> afterwards-- > >>> Recipe for disaster: > >>> > >>> 1. You have a cron-job that pulls down /etc/master.passwd daily > >>> 2. Your cron-job also runs pwd_mkdb after "SUP"ing down > >>> /etc/master.passwd > >> Yes, I agree that this is a recipe for disaster; the reasons not very > >> correlated to disk space, however. > >> > >> Even twenty years ago, handling this via YP/NIS or NetInfo would have > >> made more sense, and nowadays folks would be far more likely to use > >> LDAP as the network user database, instead of pushing system password > >> database changes via SUP or similar replication mechanism locally to > >> individual hosts. > >> > >>> 3. A program fills "/" > >>> 4. cron fires > >>> 5. pwd_mkdb can't generate databases because not enough room on > >>> filesystem > >>> 6. System can no longer be logged into > >> #5 does not imply #6: if pwd_mkdb can't build a temporary version to > >> /etc/pwd.db.tmp& /etc/spwd.db.tmp, it will exit with an error rather > >> than invoke rename(2) to replace the working version of the password > >> database with something that might be broken. > >> > >> To be very specific, I would expect one to get: > >> > >> "/: write failed, filesystem is full > >> pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db to /etc/pwd.db.tmp: No space left on device" > >> > >>> 7. System is rebooted > >>> 8. Can't log in (not even as root) > >>> 9. Go into single-user mode > >>> 10. No space to work in > >>> > >>> Sure... you can call it an "edge-case," but it's pretty common and > >>> this is only > >>> one of a myriad of ways we can reproduce the problem of filling-up > >>> "/" to cause > >>> major headaches. > >> > >> I've never heard of such a thing happening to a real FreeBSD system > >> in the past decade or more. The closest match to the issue results > >> in a failure of adduser(8) or pw(8) to add new users, but existing > >> users continued to work fine. > > These are edge cases that _do_ happen - Linux (heaven forbid!) is > > reknown for the all /, and I've been unable to boot properly into it > > with a full disk. I had to use a live disk to rescue it which took > > hours thanks to the $%^&! lvm filesystem. > > > > Its just so easy to run a multi partition as opposed to an all /. And > > how much does it cost/hurt to do it (especially given the inordinately > > large hdd's these days)? Next to nix (pardon the pun :) ). The > > reduction in problems for new users should be an incentive as well. > > > > As for how quickly a disk can fill - I'm an expert :) I can fill a > > terabyte disk in a matter of hours with video and not notice. The > > transfers can be tricky to coordinate seeing as the disk fills faster > > than I can move the large files to another filesystem. > > > > And I haven't even mentioned some of the games that I'm sure a novice > > desktop user will use... > > > > You don't have to necessarily 'hose' the system to render it unusable. > > Just have some obscure program or service that requires something like > > a temp file or the like to stop it from working, and make it difficult > > to find whats wrong. > I forgot to mention that the probable reason you haven't heard of any > such problems on real FreeBSD _is_ because it doesn't use the all /, or > a qualified sysadmin is watching over it. > +1 And as ideal as it is to sit and hypothesize how great things might be in the Desktop world if Desktop users are given the chance to use one big "/" partition, I'm just terribly afraid (as you likewise point out) that the decision to make this the default was short-sighted to say the least. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 01:14:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE56D106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:14:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FBF8FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:14:04 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (unknown [17.209.4.71]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LZK007FQE3FXM20@asmtp029.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:14:04 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-18_01:2012-02-17, 2012-02-18, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202170288 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4F3EEC58.1000308@fisglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:14:03 -0800 Message-id: <7EB5F8E5-C052-49E6-A4BE-640C5E9690F0@mac.com> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> <4F3EEC58.1000308@fisglobal.com> To: david.robison@fisglobal.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:14:04 -0000 On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: > On 02/17/2012 15:55, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> >> Yes. It works as intended even when /tmp is part of a single root partition; although mounting /tmp as a RAM- or swap-based tmpfs filesystem might be better for many situations. > > Sure it has its uses, but now you're jumping into new territory where the installer has to either ask the user to create tmpfs or make the decision to do it on its own. That's right. I don't advocate using tmpfs for /tmp under all circumstances, but it is a reasonable choice for some situations, and it would be nice if FreeBSD-9's shiny new installer provided am option to set that up. > As has been stated, this is fine if sufficient RAM is available. Personally I don't like using RAM for tmp. OK. >>> Making this world-writable bucket part of "/" seems silly both for Desktops and Servers alike. >> >> You're welcome to your opinion. However, I suspect you're expecting FreeBSD systems to always be partitioned and administered by knowledgeable BSD Unix sysadmins, and those are not always so readily available as one might assume. > > I'm not sure why someone has to be knowledgeable to select a particular partitioning scheme. Um, because a novice user just going with the default partitioning scheme (whatever that might be) or guessing random values isn't likely to achieve better results than someone knowledgeable making an informed decision about how to partition a disk? > Is it better for a novice to have one big / to fill up as opposed to a separate /var or /tmp? That doesn't have a single, simple answer. It may be better to have a single root partition, for which they can notice and understand their disk usage by a single value, compared to having them need to understand df and multiple filesystems mounted as a tree, rather than separate devices (aka Windows disk letters). :-( >>> b. A nuisance >>> >>> As "Da Rock" points out, ... recovering your system from a >>> file-system-full-event when using "single-/" is just as difficult regardless of >>> Desktop versus Server. Having "/tmp" alleviates the difficulty. >> >> It would if /tmp was mounted on a disk partition, and if it also happened to be where space was being consumed. /var/log and /home tend to be more likely locations in my experience, but YMMV. > > Actually, in my experience I have huge problems with users misusing /tmp as a holding spot for all manner of files. I like keeping /tmp separate and smallish to discourage its use for everyday transfers. Those things belong in a users home directory, not in /tmp. It sounds like these users want some kind of shared folder with relatively open permissions, and I've seen plenty of small office / collaborative environments where such a thing would be of value. >> However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using MacOS X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they sometimes do fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able to recover from without needing expert assistance. I don't recall having unusual issues in running a partition out of space under FreeBSD, either, or difficulty fixing things afterwards-- but such doesn't happen very often if you monitor your systems properly, and have time to respond to "low-space" conditions before they turn into "out of space" conditions. > > Previously you said that knowledgeable unix admins aren't as common as might be thought... now you're making the assumption that these same novice users will monitor their systems properly for low-space conditions. Oh, no-- I don't assume that most users will notice and fix a "low-space" condition beforehand-- I was speaking of what I do, although it hopefully also describes other managed environments. It doesn't describe what end-user support folks [1] generally have to deal with. > However this is all superfluous conversation if the installer gives each user a variety of options. You can select your "one big partition" scheme or go with multiple partitions depending on your preference, and from what I've read so far, this seems to be not only a reasonable idea, but also one which many people would prefer. Having the FreeBSD installer provide a reasonable set of options which include the traditional FreeBSD partition layout and a single root partition would likely be better than the current state. Regards, -- -Chuck [1] Apple Retail calls them "geniuses".... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 01:17:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECAAC1065670 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811108FC13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn14 with SMTP id hn14so2911633wib.13 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gull@gull.us designates 10.180.78.233 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.78.233; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gull@gull.us designates 10.180.78.233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gull@gull.us Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.78.233]) by 10.180.78.233 with SMTP id e9mr1816007wix.0.1329527871465 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:17:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.78.233 with SMTP id e9mr1581115wix.0.1329527871395; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.88.130 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:17:51 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.233] In-Reply-To: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:17:51 -0800 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: Chris Hill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl6+s3mhZHweF/lbv1Lo20Sbhn5aAZeAYso1APTZoP+BI0Y0lQgkkifyFuEGZHaK64n6MLh Cc: david.robison@fisglobal.com, Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:17:53 -0000 On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Chris Hill wrote: >> Why not add a selection to the installer, something like >> this: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Partition scheme >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0---------------- >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[ ] all in one + swap >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Create one partition containing all subtrees >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0plus one swap partition. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[ ] separate partitioning + swap >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home) >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0partitions plus one swap partition. >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0[ ] user-defined >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Make your own partitioning selection manually. >> >> Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be >> reasonable. > > > I like it. This, or something very similar, seems to me like the best way= to > go. > > I am not a professional sysadmin, but have been using FreeBSD since 2.2.6= . > FWIW, I prefer the multi-partition approach for all the reasons already > mentioned. I used to...I found it tended to result in more administration load later, though, because the automated installer's (or my own!) guesses for partition size are rarely entirely adequate. Then you end up slapping in another disk, backing up and repartitioning, or maintaining a symlink farm... The default 512 MB root partition was always a particular pain point. It's completely inadequate if you ever try to build a custom kernel and want the option of falling back to the old one. It makes distribution upgrades nearly impossible. Nowadays I tend to either use one big root or just root and home for desktops. (having a separate home directory *is* nice for upgrades, sometimes, but again you gotta guess right...) For servers I will additionally split off /var, to limit the damage if logging runs amok. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 01:23:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9AA106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:23:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF868FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6D75C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:36:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1130D5C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:36:28 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3EFC57.5020904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:18:15 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:23:03 -0000 On 02/18/12 11:17, David Brodbeck wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Chris Hill wrote: >>> Why not add a selection to the installer, something like >>> this: >>> >>> Partition scheme >>> ---------------- >>> >>> [ ] all in one + swap >>> Create one partition containing all subtrees >>> plus one swap partition. >>> >>> [ ] separate partitioning + swap >>> Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home) >>> partitions plus one swap partition. >>> >>> [ ] user-defined >>> Make your own partitioning selection manually. >>> >>> Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be >>> reasonable. >> >> I like it. This, or something very similar, seems to me like the best way to >> go. >> >> I am not a professional sysadmin, but have been using FreeBSD since 2.2.6. >> FWIW, I prefer the multi-partition approach for all the reasons already >> mentioned. > I used to...I found it tended to result in more administration load > later, though, because the automated installer's (or my own!) guesses > for partition size are rarely entirely adequate. Then you end up > slapping in another disk, backing up and repartitioning, or > maintaining a symlink farm... > > The default 512 MB root partition was always a particular pain point. > It's completely inadequate if you ever try to build a custom kernel > and want the option of falling back to the old one. It makes > distribution upgrades nearly impossible. This has been fixed for some time now. The default for / (specifically to fit 2 kernels and some) is now 1G. /var is now 4G. > > Nowadays I tend to either use one big root or just root and home for > desktops. (having a separate home directory *is* nice for upgrades, > sometimes, but again you gotta guess right...) For servers I will > additionally split off /var, to limit the damage if logging runs amok. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 01:24:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC541065672 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:24:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84A28FC14 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1I1OgMC020584; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:24:42 GMT Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (host-92-22-172-52.as13285.net [92.22.172.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1I1OgPZ020577; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:24:42 GMT Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4A0D633C1F; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:24:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:24:42 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: sean Message-ID: <20120218012442.GB58266@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> <4F3DAE6F.3040706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3EF087.7070900@myfairpoint.net> <4F3EF55F.9030300@myfairpoint.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3EF55F.9030300@myfairpoint.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash (Success) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:24:45 -0000 --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 07:48:31PM -0500, sean wrote: > > On 02/17/12 19:27, sean wrote: > > > > > >Now when I run nspluginwrapper -v -a -i as a user I get the following, > > > >Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins > >Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins > >Auto-install plugins from /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin > >Looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin > >Install plugin=20 > >/usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-f10-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so > > ... already installed system-wide, skipping > >Auto-install plugins from /home/sean/.mozilla/plugins > >Looking for plugins in /home/sean/.mozilla/plugins > > > I noticed in the above information that it was looking for the flash=20 > plugin in the plugins directory under .mozilla. > There was no such directory. > I created the directory and ran nspluginwrapper again and flash is now=20 > listed and working. > It seems to flicker on occasions a bit but it is running. > Are there any tuning options that might be available to get rid of the=20 > occasional flicker? >=20 > Thanks all, > Sean Glad you got it working. Maybe the Handbook needs correcting/expanding. I don't get the flicker that you speak of but on occasion Firefox can peg back a core 100% constantly and I have to restart the browser. I think this is probably flash related but I haven't investigated it. So keep an eye on "top" output. I'd recommend www/xpi-flashblock. You can whitelist sites such as Youtube and the bbc whilst blocking the crappy flash adverts that are a feature of too many sites on the web. Especially useful if you're on a narrowband connection or metered. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk8+/dkACgkQHduKvUAgeK5qnACfezf5ZT5lHOgh2aaVDaqowUyT Aj8Anj92XH/CJuj5R1bzhmmpSWWck6L3 =KMLC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IrhDeMKUP4DT/M7F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 01:50:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E729106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAD18FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (pool-96-229-186-65.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [96.229.186.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1I1ojVf038903 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:50:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:50:44 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:50:46 -0000 On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: > We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style = default with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 = partition and swap. I only run servers and set them up with /, /usr, and swap. Other = partitions are placed on other disks with typically one partition per = disk. I link /var and /tmp into /usr. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 02:08:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863D41065675 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:08:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12EC8FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17766 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2012 02:08:41 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2012 02:08:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=4f3f0829.xn--3zv.k1202; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=dg9uJAwIhlWgYr4Mjc3FVkI9Q1hulz7RhfDvTKjV6AQ=; b=lejSnAzGZMyQDjw6V4cZj/Naaqezs9PyMH0LdIXBAv8ANlRgexyFTnQf77LyWZvpRLBkmhmMwDRTqmeQMkYxdP5yfXc8zKCULJwellX5/KEvuyd2dKPKgaPjinBnQmMUcuxLFciihw1VgT/HedHQ2He6XJ7GgHmMdsGfWp9hDvE= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 18 Feb 2012 02:08:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20120218020819.85333.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: apseudoutopia@gmail.com Subject: Re: Maildir Format X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:08:43 -0000 >Can anyone suggest a MUA which has support for Maildir that I can use? Pine is dead, replaced by alpine. The FreeBSD port has a config option to support maildirs. I've used it, it works. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 02:14:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4601B106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:14:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011198FC1A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1I2DWxE006031; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:13:54 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, david.robison@fisglobal.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:08:38 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201202180908.38416.erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> Cc: Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:14:18 -0000 Hi, On Saturday 18 February 2012 05:05:23 Robison, Dave wrote: > > It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap > as such: > > / > /tmp > /var > /usr > swap > it really makes sense to keep it this way. > The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which > creates only one partition and swap, with everything living under a > single "/" partition as such: > > / > swap Can you offer an option for beginners to get this schema installed? I have had bad experiences with Windows running all on a single partition including swap. FreeBSD always reboots no matter how screwed the /usr file system got. It does not matter if it is just full or damages for some other reason. At the least the machine is up and running and it is possible to fix the damaged partition. How should it be possible to mount root as read only if root contains /usr? I think that there are many more reasons why at least / has to stay separated from /usr. > > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. When will the result be published? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 02:17:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CD0106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6978FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3TqZcr6SZCzpf for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:17:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:16:34 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:17:50 -0000 --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have said: > Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default > with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ > default style for separated partitions include: > > / > swap > /tmp > /var > /usr > /home > > In special cases, add /opt or /scratch as separate partitions > with intendedly limited sizes. > > You can see that all user data is kept independently from > the rest of the system. It can easily be switched over to > a separate "home disk" if needed. --As for the rest, it is mine. I'm in agreement with you on that I like to have /home be a separate partition, and not under /usr. (Of course, my current zfs system has 40 partitions...) Partly though I recognize that I like it because that's what I'm used to, and how I learned to set it up originally. (My first unix experience was with OpenBSD, over 10 years ago now.) I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home under /usr though. I figure there must be a decent reason why. Would anyone care to enlighten me? What are the perceived advantages? (Particularly if you then make a symlink to /home.) Just a question that's been bugging me, as I read through different FreeBSD docs. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 03:21:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746CE106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:21:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A468FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C9F5C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:34:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B0A85C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:34:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3F1817.7030009@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:16:39 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:21:27 -0000 On 02/18/12 12:16, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to > have said: > >> Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default >> with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ >> default style for separated partitions include: >> >> / >> swap >> /tmp >> /var >> /usr >> /home >> >> In special cases, add /opt or /scratch as separate partitions >> with intendedly limited sizes. >> >> You can see that all user data is kept independently from >> the rest of the system. It can easily be switched over to >> a separate "home disk" if needed. > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > I'm in agreement with you on that I like to have /home be a separate > partition, and not under /usr. (Of course, my current zfs system has > 40 partitions...) Partly though I recognize that I like it because > that's what I'm used to, and how I learned to set it up originally. > (My first unix experience was with OpenBSD, over 10 years ago now.) > > I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home > under /usr though. I figure there must be a decent reason why. Would > anyone care to enlighten me? What are the perceived advantages? > (Particularly if you then make a symlink to /home.) I always thought /usr was like user partition :) But seriously, for the pedantic yes, but for a desktop user (at least) having home on /usr partition makes sense - balances space and functionality; plus a lack of nodes on the disk for partitions? Limit was 8 I think. But now with /usr/home if you want to install from ports it can take a few gig, but that can be wasted because you're not always installing from ports, so might as well share space with the home directories and balance that way. Otherwise you'd need 30G (about) for /usr/ports and all the stuff you want to install and then that cannot be used at all for /home which could be cleared quite easily to make room if necessary if it was on the same partition. All is possible, but not all is necessary or recommended. If I seem a little 'spacy' I have kids hurrying me to make their lunch... ;) > > Just a question that's been bugging me, as I read through different > FreeBSD docs. > > Daniel T. Staal > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 05:44:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B883B106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:44:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459758FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EED5E223; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:44:39 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.478 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.478 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.122, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id RyCQQoHXVfnC; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:44:37 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-040-164.static.bjare.net [195.216.40.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D76BA5E1B4; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:44:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F3F3ACB.2080406@eskk.nu> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:44:43 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120215 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:44:40 -0000 2012-02-17 23:46, Polytropon skrev: > Four? There should be five! :-) > > Read on to find out why. > > > > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:05:23 -0800, Robison, Dave wrote: >> We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default >> with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and >> swap. > > In my case, preference depends on use. When I'm unable to > predict how partition occupation will develop, going with > one / partition is a good approach. It can also be useful > for cases like home desktops. > > Other cases, like dedicated servers or systems that use > more than one physical disk (e. g. one system disk, one > home disk) the approach of using more than one partition > is welcome. > > I'd like to mention that using different partitions for > a logical separation of mechanisms and functionalities > can be a _big_ help in worst case (which you'll hopefully > never will encounter, but be prepared). For example, if > you have file system trouble with the /home partition, > you can bring the system up in a limited state (SUM), > make the partition "ro" and get the data. You can then > boot the system into the normal state (MUM) with using > the copy you made, leaving the original /home partition > unmounted and untouched. In case of data recovery and > forensic analysis this can be your chance to get your > data back. > > > >> We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as >> one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We >> want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four >> partitions and swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire >> Disk". > > Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default > with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ > default style for separated partitions include: > > / > swap > /tmp > /var > /usr > /home > > In special cases, add /opt or /scratch as separate partitions > with intendedly limited sizes. > > You can see that all user data is kept independently from > the rest of the system. It can easily be switched over to > a separate "home disk" if needed. > > What's the reason for this? Limited partitions are often > considered a problem, but they can be a system's life saver. > Just imagine you have all functional parts of the system in > one big / tree, let's also say /tmp is writable for users > (and it's not a memory file system); now a maliciously acting > user or program could fill /tmp with lots of data, occupying > the full disk. Soon, /var/log cannot be written anymore, and > also other processes that need to write something may get > into trouble. If /tmp is a separate partition, only /tmp can > get "out of disk space", with /var being fully untouched. > > Also keep in mind that some tools like to operate on partition > level, such as dump (and restore). System tools like quota can > also be used on a partition level. As I mentioned before, being > able to mount a partition read-only can be helpful sometimes, > same goes for other mount options, such as noexec or noatime. > When dealing with this low level stuff is neccessary (e. g. on > embedded systems or systems that are low on resources where you > need to squeeze every bit of performance by fine tuning), having > individual partitions can be a big help. > > > >> Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > > Why not add a selection to the installer, something like > this: > > Partition scheme > ---------------- > > [ ] all in one + swap > Create one partition containing all subtrees > plus one swap partition. > > [ ] separate partitioning + swap > Create /, /var, /tmp and /usr (including home) > partitions plus one swap partition. > > [ ] user-defined > Make your own partitioning selection manually. > > Of course, the default SIZES for second choice should be > reasonable. > > This suggestion gets my wote /L From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 06:31:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C4D106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578B88FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.85]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C65116B4AB; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:06:07 -0600 (CST) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:05:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:05:49 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Daniel Staal In-Reply-To: <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Message-ID: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:31:50 -0000 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have > said: > >> Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default >> with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ >> default style for separated partitions include: >> >> / >> swap >> /tmp >> /var >> /usr >> /home >> >> In special cases, add /opt or /scratch as separate partitions >> with intendedly limited sizes. >> >> You can see that all user data is kept independently from >> the rest of the system. It can easily be switched over to >> a separate "home disk" if needed. > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > I'm in agreement with you on that I like to have /home be a separate > partition, and not under /usr. It seems to me that partition and mount point are being confused to a degree. There is no reason what is mounted at /usr/home cannot be a separate partition as well as if it were mounted at root. There are some good reasons for the user directories (and perhaps some other data) to be on a separate partition - mostly the reasons relate to ease of back up and migration whether planned or emergency. Arguments about where to mount that partition are not so practical, being more in the philosophic and historical realm. Pick one, recognize not everyone will be on the same page and put appropriate links in. > (Of course, my current zfs system has 40 > partitions...) Partly though I recognize that I like it because that's what > I'm used to, and how I learned to set it up originally. (My first unix > experience was with OpenBSD, over 10 years ago now.) > > I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home under /usr > though. I figure there must be a decent reason why. Would anyone care to > enlighten me? What are the perceived advantages? (Particularly if you then > make a symlink to /home.) There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - trying to keep the system and userland distinction clear. But there are many flaws in the attempted separation. /var for example is the default location for many logs, both system and user, the spools (remember news?), and databases. You really cannot drop /usr into a different system and have an operational result. (I put the home directories, the www directory, databases and spools all on the same physical partition which I mount arbitrarily at /usr/local/data. It isn't exactly plug-n-play, but in tests and emergencies is has proved practical to drop the partition into several linices with a high level of functionally - depending on application versioning being close to in sync.) -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 06:33:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F2B106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:33:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED778FC19 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q1I6bvuI070727 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:37:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:37:57 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201202180637.q1I6bvuI070727@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:33:07 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 17 16:20:48 2012 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:05:23 -0800 > From: "Robison, Dave" > To: > Subject: One or Four? > > Hiya, > > A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as > opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD. > > It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap > as such: > > / > /tmp > /var > /usr > swap > > The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which > creates only one partition and swap, with everything living under a > single "/" partition as such: > > / > swap Blame the Linux community for fostering _that_ silliness. > We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default > with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and > swap. *I* would stronngly prefer _five_ partitions plus swap; / /tmp /var /usr /home swap There are good arguments to be made for keeping the '/' filesystem as small as practical, _and_ restricting it to 'system' content -- preferably all "non-volatile" such that it (as well as '/usr') can be mounted read-only. The above-mentioned RO mounting does wonders for system reliability and speed of crash recovery. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 06:39:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFDF106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:39:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B388FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q1I6iLR1070807 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:44:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:44:21 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201202180644.q1I6iLR1070807@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:39:30 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 17 16:25:49 2012 > From: sean > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:20:26 -0500 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash > > > On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Da Rock wrote: > > > > > > Problem, I think lies, in the symlink. You don't need it, kill it and run nspluginwrapper - the only flash file in your browser plugins directory should be prefixed with npwrapper. > > > > There may be an issue with nspluginwrapper (currently being discussed - can anyone confirm if its similar?) that has to resolved. > > > > Just to check, can you run `find /usr/local/ | grep ld-linux.so` and see if it comes up? It could show ld-linux.so or the same followed by a number. Copy the result here. > > I deleted both symlinks and ran the find, no results returned. Try: find / -name 'ld-linux.so*' -print (including the single-quotes) If you do _NOT_ get a listing from that, you didn't just delete the symlink, you wiped out the actual shared library, and will have to re-install it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 06:53:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4201065679 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ED48FC17 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q1I6w3MJ070941 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:58:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:58:03 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201202180658.q1I6w3MJ070941@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4F3EE8AA.4070009@paz.bz> Subject: Re: swap space X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:53:11 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 17 17:59:50 2012 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:54:18 -0800 > From: Jim Pazarena > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: swap space > > is there a command which can show the size of the hard drive swap? > > A "df" seems to avoid the swap area. That *is* "expected" behavior. 'df' shows utilization of -filesystems-. 'swap' is not filesystem. > This would be on a live production server. The "traditional" means is 'pstat -s'. On relatively modern systems, 'swapinfo' is an alias. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 07:16:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225DD106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75BB8FC14 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q1I7LHxd071111 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:21:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:21:17 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201202180721.q1I7LHxd071111@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:16:26 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 17 19:56:00 2012 > From: Doug Hardie > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:50:44 -0800 > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > > On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: > > We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default > > with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and > > swap. > > > I only run servers and set them up with /, /usr, and swap. Other partitions > are placed on other disks with typically one partition per disk. I link /var > and /tmp into /usr. That last is a *BAD*IDEA*(tm). There _are_ programs that assume that /var/tmp and /usr/tme are *different* places -- and will attempt to create 'distinct' files _with_the_same_name_ in the two diretories. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 07:54:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51BC106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:54:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9CC8FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (pool-96-229-186-65.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [96.229.186.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q1I7sb8f047766; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <201202180721.q1I7LHxd071111@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:36 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201202180721.q1I7LHxd071111@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: Robert Bonomi X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:54:39 -0000 On 17 February 2012, at 23:21, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> =46rom owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 17 19:56:00 2012 >> From: Doug Hardie >> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:50:44 -0800 >> To: FreeBSD Mailing List >> Subject: Re: One or Four? >>=20 >>=20 >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: >>> We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style = default=20 >>> with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition = and=20 >>> swap. >>=20 >>=20 >> I only run servers and set them up with /, /usr, and swap. Other = partitions=20 >> are placed on other disks with typically one partition per disk. I = link /var >> and /tmp into /usr. >=20 > That last is a *BAD*IDEA*(tm). There _are_ programs that assume that = /var/tmp > and /usr/tme are *different* places -- and will attempt to create = 'distinct'=20 > files _with_the_same_name_ in the two diretories. I am sure you can find programs that presume anything you want. I have = never seen one that does that. If I did find one, it would be easy to = correct that misguided thinking. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 08:40:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B571106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63538FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1I8e1g0033986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:40:01 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1I8e1g0033986 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329554401; bh=Kgdbk1a6g7kLSSAowgLHUK3oe1BJ0GgaIYiYbnJ0UtE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=hqg7KQcR3Z6OPW76Gto+jt1hMgfP6taMuGDtsPQC4pv/mAPPcSpzoVmVaDihaB8on H37gU4y9HZKwhY3ZYlXkiiH2bB8j+SAZv0UxJtyc6dFcX5MpN+T7uVOsOHg9H/Pst7 MqS3HQhdLdcyG0ng3GbXIvZ0vwjxInvmav0feNBw= Message-ID: <4F3F63D9.7060906@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:39:53 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD40A081FE91D6022B98BEFCF" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:40:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD40A081FE91D6022B98BEFCF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 17/02/2012 22:17, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: >>> We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style >>> default with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 >>> partition and swap. > For a user/desktop machine, I prefer one root partition. For other > roles like a server, I prefer multiple partitions which have been > sized for the intended usage. I thought the installer switched to the one-partition style based on disk size? Whatever. Personally I much prefer using one big partition, even for servers -- this applies to /, /usr, /usr/local, /var -- standard OS level bits, and not to application specific bits like partitions dedicated to RDBMS data areas (particularly if the application needs to write a lot of data). Having /tmp on a separate memory backed fiesystem is important though: if sshd can't create its socket there, then you won't be able to login remotely and fix things. The reasoning is simple: running out of space in any partition requires expensive sys-admin intervention to fix. The root partition has historically been a particular problem in this regard. Even if it is just log files filling up /var -- sure you can just remove some files, but why would you keep the logs in the first place if they weren't important? Splitting space up into many small pieces means each piece has limited headroom in which to expand. Having effectively one common chunk of free space makes that scenario much less likely[*]. Yes, in principle you can fill up the entire disk like this. However, firstly, on FreeBSD that doesn't actually tend to kill the server entirely, unless the workload is write-heavy (but see the caveat above about application specific partitions) and the system will generally carry on perfectly happily if you can get rid of some files and create space. [Note: this is not true of most OSes -- FreeBSD is particularly good in this regard.] Secondly, typical server grade hardware will have something like 80--120GB for system drives nowadays. FreeBSD + a selection of server applications takes under 5GB. Even allowing for a pretty large load of application data, you're going to have tens of Gb of free space there. Generally your monitoring is going to flag that the disk is filling up well before the space does run out. Yes, I know there are disaster scenarios where the disk fills up in minutes; you're screwed whatever partitioning scheme you use in those cases, just a few seconds slower than in the multiple partitions case. Cheers Matthew [*] Mostly I prefer ZFS nowadays, which renders this whole argument moot, as having one common pool of free space is exactly how ZFS works. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigD40A081FE91D6022B98BEFCF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8/Y+AACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxzJACfV1zzNFl6BiQKSfbAhMTGil7x zeMAnA56ccb760faxXrJkwDnKXxJ0u9B =6JM4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigD40A081FE91D6022B98BEFCF-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 10:13:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9941065670 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF4B8FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-75-202.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.75.202]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF92D3CC6C; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:13:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q1IADSpK032044; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:13:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:13:28 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120218111328.69d5b10a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F3F1817.7030009@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <4F3F1817.7030009@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Da Rock Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:13:33 -0000 On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:16:39 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > On 02/18/12 12:16, Daniel Staal wrote: > > --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to > > have said: > > > >> Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default > >> with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ > >> default style for separated partitions include: > >> > >> / > >> swap > >> /tmp > >> /var > >> /usr > >> /home > >> > >> In special cases, add /opt or /scratch as separate partitions > >> with intendedly limited sizes. > >> > >> You can see that all user data is kept independently from > >> the rest of the system. It can easily be switched over to > >> a separate "home disk" if needed. > > > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > > > I'm in agreement with you on that I like to have /home be a separate > > partition, and not under /usr. (Of course, my current zfs system has > > 40 partitions...) Partly though I recognize that I like it because > > that's what I'm used to, and how I learned to set it up originally. > > (My first unix experience was with OpenBSD, over 10 years ago now.) > > > > I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home > > under /usr though. I figure there must be a decent reason why. Would > > anyone care to enlighten me? What are the perceived advantages? > > (Particularly if you then make a symlink to /home.) > I always thought /usr was like user partition :) There are two major definitions: /usr = Unix system resources /usr = user and system binaries FreeBSD's explaination can be obtained from "man hier", where "contains the majority of user utilities and applications" is provided. Some UNIX systems, in particular IRIX, if I remember correctly, also placed the home subtree into the /usr partition, even though they called it /usr/people... FreeBSD's reason for making /home@ -> /usr/home is a traditional thing too, I think. As you said, balancing or estimating disk sizes can be tricky, so /home and /usr made a deal to reduce the guessing from 2 to 1. :-) Historical background needed. > But seriously, for the pedantic yes, but for a desktop user (at least) > having home on /usr partition makes sense - balances space and > functionality; plus a lack of nodes on the disk for partitions? Limit > was 8 I think. I think "h" is the last letter, with "b" reserved for swap and "c" reserved for "the whole partition" (the traditional partitioning scheme ad0[a-h], I'm not looking at GPT ad0p[0-9*] right now). > But now with /usr/home if you want to install from ports > it can take a few gig, but that can be wasted because you're not always > installing from ports, so might as well share space with the home > directories and balance that way. You could, on the other hand, move ports stuff into /home if there's more space available. You need more space for building (downloading sources, extraction, compiling etc.) than for the result that's going to be installed into /usr/local. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 10:22:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923861065674 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AE28FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-75-202.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.75.202]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F311B3CC6B; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:22:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q1IAMq5l033317; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:22:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:22:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Lars Eighner Message-Id: <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:22:54 -0000 On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:05:49 -0600 (CST), Lars Eighner wrote: > It seems to me that partition and mount point are being confused to a > degree. There is no reason what is mounted at /usr/home cannot be a > separate partition as well as if it were mounted at root. I thought of this fact as such an obvious thing that I didn't bother even mentioning it. :-) Of course, /usr/home can be a separate partition (even on a separate disk), just like /usr/ports or /usr/obj or even /usr/local could be. I've also seen systems having several subtrees in /export, each one being on an individual partition, some of them even on an own disk. > There are some > good reasons for the user directories (and perhaps some other data) to be on > a separate partition - mostly the reasons relate to ease of back up and > migration whether planned or emergency. Arguments about where to mount that > partition are not so practical, being more in the philosophic and historical > realm. Pick one, recognize not everyone will be on the same page and put > appropriate links in. I'd still be interested in why this particular location has been chosen. The typical access path for home directories is /home (that's why the symlink), and as long as this "top level entry" points to the proper data (no matter where they are located), it should be fine. > There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - trying > to keep the system and userland distinction clear. But there are many flaws > in the attempted separation. /var for example is the default location for > many logs, both system and user, the spools (remember news?), and databases. > You really cannot drop /usr into a different system and have an operational > result. Correct. Also see the difference in usage interpretation for /tmp (not guaranteed to be present after reboot) and /var/tmp (should be present in the same state after reboot). The separation of concepts FreeBSD is famous for basically is "the OS" (primarily /, /etc, /(s)bin, /usr/(s)bin) that provides the minimal functionality to bring up the operating system even in worst case, where only the root partition needs to be mounted, which can be done in read-only mode, to finally reach the single- user mode, and "3rd party applications" (everything in /usr/local). However, both system and 3rd party programs access things in /var or /tmp. Not having actual _user_ data in between can be a benefit especially when something goes wrong. > (I put the home directories, the www directory, databases and spools all on > the same physical partition which I mount arbitrarily at /usr/local/data. It > isn't exactly plug-n-play, but in tests and emergencies is has proved > practical to drop the partition into several linices with a high level of > functionally - depending on application versioning being close to in sync.) And I assume you still have /home pointing to the correct location on that "new" path? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 10:49:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EBC1065673 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0E18FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993725C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:02:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CFDB5C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:02:27 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:44:13 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:49:02 -0000 On 02/18/12 20:22, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:05:49 -0600 (CST), Lars Eighner wrote: >> It seems to me that partition and mount point are being confused to a >> degree. There is no reason what is mounted at /usr/home cannot be a >> separate partition as well as if it were mounted at root. > I thought of this fact as such an obvious thing that I > didn't bother even mentioning it. :-) > > Of course, /usr/home can be a separate partition (even on > a separate disk), just like /usr/ports or /usr/obj or even > /usr/local could be. I've also seen systems having several > subtrees in /export, each one being on an individual partition, > some of them even on an own disk. > > > >> There are some >> good reasons for the user directories (and perhaps some other data) to be on >> a separate partition - mostly the reasons relate to ease of back up and >> migration whether planned or emergency. Arguments about where to mount that >> partition are not so practical, being more in the philosophic and historical >> realm. Pick one, recognize not everyone will be on the same page and put >> appropriate links in. > I'd still be interested in why this particular location has > been chosen. The typical access path for home directories > is /home (that's why the symlink), and as long as this > "top level entry" points to the proper data (no matter where > they are located), it should be fine. > > > >> There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - trying >> to keep the system and userland distinction clear. But there are many flaws >> in the attempted separation. /var for example is the default location for >> many logs, both system and user, the spools (remember news?), and databases. >> You really cannot drop /usr into a different system and have an operational >> result. > Correct. Also see the difference in usage interpretation for > /tmp (not guaranteed to be present after reboot) and /var/tmp > (should be present in the same state after reboot). > > The separation of concepts FreeBSD is famous for basically is > "the OS" (primarily /, /etc, /(s)bin, /usr/(s)bin) that provides > the minimal functionality to bring up the operating system even > in worst case, where only the root partition needs to be mounted, > which can be done in read-only mode, to finally reach the single- > user mode, and "3rd party applications" (everything in /usr/local). > However, both system and 3rd party programs access things in /var > or /tmp. Not having actual _user_ data in between can be a benefit > especially when something goes wrong. > > > >> (I put the home directories, the www directory, databases and spools all on >> the same physical partition which I mount arbitrarily at /usr/local/data. It >> isn't exactly plug-n-play, but in tests and emergencies is has proved >> practical to drop the partition into several linices with a high level of >> functionally - depending on application versioning being close to in sync.) > And I assume you still have /home pointing to the correct location > on that "new" path? I think it all depends particularly on what you're using the system for, really. Say you were going to run a print server, or a logging server, or some other service, then you would arrange the system accordingly. I notice that the general use case of www is already arranged to provide this - the webroot is setup on the usr/local/www, but that could be a mounted partition there too; it does protect the novice. OTOH if you were setting up a print server, you would probably put a spool partition specifically for that purpose where needed. That way if you get a lot of large print jobs you're covered. This general layout (the traditional one, to clarify: /, /var, /tmp, /usr) offers the most protection and instruction to the novice user, and usually works well in most general cases. I have yet to try ZFS (lack of resources really), but when I can I will setup a SAN and it will be interesting to see how this works and I probably will use a single partition. But for the general filesystem I doubt a single partition will cut it (I could be a stick in the mud though :) ), and I highly recommend this path for the new user; especially using a desktop. BTW I was intending to put across the concept of /usr being user related - anything a user may need or use; as opposed to / for the system related stuff that keeps it running. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I had thought... :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 11:04:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50366106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:04:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fortin@acm.org) Received: from hub.zap.qc.ca (hub.zap.qc.ca [200.46.208.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D43C8FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:04:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.41] (APuteaux-653-1-40-212.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.195.195.212]) by hub.zap.qc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D131E795AF5 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F3F7EF5.80201@acm.org> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:35:33 +0100 From: Denis Fortin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ZFS question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:04:12 -0000 Good morning, On a small system using FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE, ZFS is reporting an issue on a pool, that I am not certain is really an issue, but I don't know how to investgate... Here is the situation: I have created a ZFS pool on an external 1TB Maxstor USB drive. The ZFS pool sees little or no activity, I haven't started using it for real yet. The drive spins down frequently because of lack of activity, and takes quite a few seconds to spin up. Now, I frequently get errors in the 'zpool status' thus (like, a couple of times per day): > [denis@datasink] ~> zpool status -v > pool: maxstor > state: ONLINE > status: One or more devices has experienced an unrecoverable error. An > attempt was made to correct the error. Applications are unaffected. > action: Determine if the device needs to be replaced, and clear the errors > using 'zpool clear' or replace the device with 'zpool replace'. > see: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-9P > scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h0m with 0 errors on Sat Feb 18 08:49:41 2012 > config: > > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM > maxstor ONLINE 0 0 0 > gptid/64a30ca9-56ad-11e1-80c4-000024ce7c30 ONLINE 1 0 0 > > errors: No known data errors > [denis@datasink] ~> zpool iostat -v maxstor > capacity operations bandwidth > pool alloc free read write read write > -------------------------------------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- > maxstor 1.10M 928G 0 0 455 1.11K > gptid/64a30ca9-56ad-11e1-80c4-000024ce7c30 1.10M 928G 0 0 455 1.11K > -------------------------------------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- I know that this sounds bad for the drive, but I cannot find anywhere in my logs (/var/log/messages, dmesg, etc) a reference to this supposed 'unrecoverable error' that the drive has had, and the resilvering *always* works. I am wondering whether it might not simply be a timeout issue, that is: the drive is taking too long to spin up, which causes a timeout and a read error to be reported, which then disappears completely once the drive has spun up. Does anybody have a suggestion about how I could go about investigating this issue? Shouldn't there be a log of the 'unrecoverable error' somewhere? Thank you all, Denis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 11:07:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69412106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC828FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so3682621wer.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:07:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ml@my.gd designates 10.180.7.231 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.7.231; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ml@my.gd designates 10.180.7.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ml@my.gd Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.7.231]) by 10.180.7.231 with SMTP id m7mr5611408wia.3.1329563252756 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:07:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.7.231 with SMTP id m7mr4775511wia.3.1329563252709; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:07:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot.local (did75-17-88-165-130-96.fbx.proxad.net. [88.165.130.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fl2sm7562390wib.4.2012.02.18.03.07.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:07:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3F8672.3090805@my.gd> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:07:30 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmFOxzXRZN2KTFYuhc+l2HGrm4Gw31OaV2z0sAMP50uYMpeUSDB3YPgGRojxnooApiq+FjA Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:07:34 -0000 On 2/17/12 11:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: > Hiya, [snip] > We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as > one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We > want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four > partitions and swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire > Disk". > > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > > Thanks, > > Dave > Seeing as people using the default are likely to be novices, I vote in favor of ONE. The reasoning being that novices are less likely to be able to correctly size their /usr and /var than a seasoned sysadmin. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 11:11:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6A01065673 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:11:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1DE8FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so3684956wer.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ml@my.gd designates 10.180.92.73 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.92.73; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ml@my.gd designates 10.180.92.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ml@my.gd Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.92.73]) by 10.180.92.73 with SMTP id ck9mr3205036wib.2.1329563469050 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.92.73 with SMTP id ck9mr2695046wib.2.1329563468996; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot.local (did75-17-88-165-130-96.fbx.proxad.net. [88.165.130.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eq5sm7630148wib.2.2012.02.18.03.11.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:11:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3F874B.6090200@my.gd> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:11:07 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnrJAsWGcqMwCibQzaTRsJ0hW6fJemA6d53Gv9gUUnjPB02V7Xs1kTfRbsDTjtfOabAi/MY Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:11:10 -0000 On 2/17/12 11:40 PM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Robison, Dave > wrote: >> Hiya, >> >> A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as >> opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD. >> >> It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap as >> such: >> >> / >> /tmp >> /var >> /usr >> swap >> >> The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which >> creates only one partition and swap, with everything living under a single >> "/" partition as such: >> >> / >> swap >> >> We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default >> with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and >> swap. >> >> This is not a discussion of MBR vs GPT. The default moving forward from 9.x >> will be to use GPT. >> >> We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as one >> wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We want to >> know if people would prefer the older style default with four partitions and >> swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire Disk". >> >> Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > > / and /usr should be merged together, /var should stay separate, and > /tmp should be tmpfs :) > On topic, have the bugs been fixed where a tmpfs partition would gradually lose usable size, down to 0kb eventually ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 11:23:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140B3106564A; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FBA8FC0C; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdq11 with SMTP id dq11so3442636wgb.31 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.100.228 with SMTP id fb4mr2770134wib.1.1329564218384; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot.local (did75-17-88-165-130-96.fbx.proxad.net. [88.165.130.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ft8sm2850048wib.11.2012.02.18.03.23.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:23:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3F8A38.10303@my.gd> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:23:36 +0100 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <4F3E5925.8020004@my.gd> <4F3EE984.8020007@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4F3EE984.8020007@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlbp80v3A19Wcr/VuB1Aq47PzVPluQjq5gtdaTv+UzkB2nT3/3XIcu7FANhVM/CvO5U1saU Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Jeremy Chadwick Subject: Re: DNS - slaving the root zone X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:23:40 -0000 On 2/18/12 12:57 AM, Doug Barton wrote: > > To clarify, almost universally the opposition to the idea centers around > the problems of users who enable this method, and then don't notice if > something changes/breaks, resulting in a stale zone (or zones, depending > on what you choose to slave). I have always acknowledged that this is a > valid concern, just not one that I think overwhelms the virtues of doing > the slaving in the first place. > Could you elaborate on the "something changes/breaks, admin doesn't notice, results in a stale zone" bit ? I fail to see the circumstances under which that could happen. > The method currently in comments in /etc/namedb/named.conf suggests > servers generously provided by ICANN that are dedicated to allowing AXFR > of various infrastructure zones. (Note, ICANN does not necessarily > endorse the idea of slaving these zones for resolvers, but I do have > their permission to include these servers in our named.conf.) That > alleviates one of the other criticisms of slaving these zones, as it > presents no load on the actual root servers at all. > > So in short, this is an excellent idea, I've been doing it/recommending > it for years, and assuming you have the knowledge/ability to keep your > resolvers up to date (and/or you're tracking our named.conf where I do > it for you) then it's totally safe to do. > Indeed, been deleting the traditional hint file based . zone for a while and using the slaving mechanism for over a year already, works fine enough for us. You have me somewhat worried with the bit about something breaking though, thus the call for details ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 11:24:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C64106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F7D8FC1E for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1IBNuNg043854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:23:56 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1IBNuNg043854 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329564236; bh=hZAdRpjs8Nln7m4TfekK7/V3RYtEKB0lsrlyyY9oXPI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=OGAFVZzSqwTWMzOz59cExhdzAOuuC/s15HrmQDdXSP6ERG8AuN50fxKEDbOyt9yOD UkKHDaoSiZh/TcbZ/EOLDeIRcNbhoVleg8IggX2yaELmg2grqaNGOHOpbmzCg9rPCs oxYmfupwkXkccXX1YTvMVuEa3jaAUcF23X5VqVnQ= Message-ID: <4F3F8A46.1090908@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:23:50 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3D25DA7FCE44BFC8B75860CA" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:24:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3D25DA7FCE44BFC8B75860CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/02/2012 10:44, Da Rock wrote: > I have yet to try ZFS (lack of resources really), but when I can I will= > setup a SAN and it will be interesting to see how this works and I > probably will use a single partition. But for the general filesystem I > doubt a single partition will cut it (I could be a stick in the mud > though :) ), and I highly recommend this path for the new user; > especially using a desktop. Your statement here makes some assumptions about the way ZFS works which aren't the case. ZFS doesn't have partitions in the sense of areas of disk space reserved for a particular filesystem. It has two concepts: the zpool and the zfs. The zpool is about the collection of hardware used to provide the disk space. This incorporates all of the ideas about mirroring or RAIDZx or log devices of various types or spare drives. (Essentially what you'ld otherwise get from a very expensive raid controller.) The zfs is a chunk of filesystem namespace designated for a specific purpose. You can use a zfs as a raw partition, but it is very much more common for it to be used as a filesystem. zfses look quite a lot like partitions, but they are really quite fundamentally different. The basic storage unit used by ZFS is a 128kB block. The blocks used by a particular zfs can appear anywhere on the zpool, and unless the ZFS has been administratively limited to a particular size, the free space available to the zfs is exactly the free space available on the entire zpool. Looked at that way, you can see it as essentially one big partition spanning the entire zpool. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig3D25DA7FCE44BFC8B75860CA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8/ikwACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwazgCbBE76TpgH07CVtB1eD4WmUESq Pd0An0Gfi+AOUs5VyKkjQ10H0aB0hOcV =K7yC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3D25DA7FCE44BFC8B75860CA-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 11:39:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD6E1065673 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4128FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-75-202.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.75.202]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AE71DDE5; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:39:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q1IBdh8T044297; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:39:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:39:43 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120218123943.147a7842.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Da Rock Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:39:45 -0000 On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:44:13 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > BTW I was intending to put across the concept of /usr being user related > - anything a user may need or use; as opposed to / for the system > related stuff that keeps it running. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I had > thought... :) There's lots of philosophy, tradition and vanished differentiation in this field. The manpage "man hier" provides a good explaination for the layout chosen for FreeBSD. However, there are questions that may arise: What kind of programs? Those called by users, by the system, or by other programs (see libexec)? What's the difference between /bin and /sbin, same for /usr/bin and /usr/sbin? Could they maybe be merged when their functionality is similar and they reside on the same partition (file system) anyway? The /etc directory - "editable text configuration" :-) - historically also contained binaries like /etc/mount or /etc/GETTY. Depending on its location, one can assume that it controls OS things only. Wrong. In many cases, /etc/rc.conf also contains settings for enabling services installed by ports. Even though FreeBSD can use /etc/rc.conf.local (has been known in OpenBSD for non-OS setup stuff), most things are found in the system-wide file. But the corresponding start scripts are in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. Why no /usr/local/etc/rc.conf? But as rc.conf is just a file to associate variables with names, there's no problem if they are defined, but not used (e. g. in a limited system state after encountering a problem)... Luckily, most software installed from ports keeps its settings out of /etc and uses /usr/local/etc instead. Having _known_ locations for settings makes it easy to back them up. How about X on desktops? /etc/X11 is the common location for config files (if used), but per deduction, they should be in /usr/local/etc/X11 as X is a port, not a part of the OS. What about the configuration of xdm? Why isn't it stored in some /usr/local/etc subtree, but instead /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/ is used? This short list is just to mention the loads of philosophy hidden within the system. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 11:41:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33ABE1065673 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:41:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A666C8FC21 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4824B5C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:54:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D9DF5C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:54:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3F8D39.80907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:36:25 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3F8A46.1090908@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F3F8A46.1090908@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:41:14 -0000 On 02/18/12 21:23, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 18/02/2012 10:44, Da Rock wrote: >> I have yet to try ZFS (lack of resources really), but when I can I will >> setup a SAN and it will be interesting to see how this works and I >> probably will use a single partition. But for the general filesystem I >> doubt a single partition will cut it (I could be a stick in the mud >> though :) ), and I highly recommend this path for the new user; >> especially using a desktop. > Your statement here makes some assumptions about the way ZFS works which > aren't the case. I don't think I'm making as much sense as I think I am - I must be really tired :) Thats not what I was actually saying. My point was I know ZFS is very different, but something like UFS isn't really up to a single partition. > ZFS doesn't have partitions in the sense of areas of disk space reserved > for a particular filesystem. > > It has two concepts: the zpool and the zfs. > > The zpool is about the collection of hardware used to provide the disk > space. This incorporates all of the ideas about mirroring or RAIDZx or > log devices of various types or spare drives. (Essentially what you'ld > otherwise get from a very expensive raid controller.) > > The zfs is a chunk of filesystem namespace designated for a specific > purpose. You can use a zfs as a raw partition, but it is very much more > common for it to be used as a filesystem. > > zfses look quite a lot like partitions, but they are really quite > fundamentally different. The basic storage unit used by ZFS is a 128kB > block. The blocks used by a particular zfs can appear anywhere on the > zpool, and unless the ZFS has been administratively limited to a > particular size, the free space available to the zfs is exactly the free > space available on the entire zpool. > > Looked at that way, you can see it as essentially one big partition > spanning the entire zpool. I've been idly looking through ZFS concepts for a little while now, but not all of it has sunk in yet. I was going to just jump when I could and see what hot water I dropped in and learn to swim really quick :) How you have described it here has cleared a couple of foggy points for me. Cheers, I owe you a beer ;) If I may, can I ask a quick question: My main misgivings about ZFS have been speed, ram use, and up till about a year ago or so relative 'youth' (at least on FreeBSD). What would be the minimum ram you would use for a high disk use? And what would be recommended to use for the caching? I was thinking 8G ram and either a high quality usb/SD(/CF?) disk or a sata II/III SSD for cache. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 12:01:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB271065670 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:01:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF02B8FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0C45C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:14:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 196005C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:14:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3F91EC.8020209@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:56:28 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120218123943.147a7842.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120218123943.147a7842.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:01:17 -0000 On 02/18/12 21:39, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:44:13 +1000, Da Rock wrote: >> BTW I was intending to put across the concept of /usr being user related >> - anything a user may need or use; as opposed to / for the system >> related stuff that keeps it running. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I had >> thought... :) > There's lots of philosophy, tradition and vanished differentiation > in this field. The manpage "man hier" provides a good explaination > for the layout chosen for FreeBSD. However, there are questions > that may arise: > > What kind of programs? Those called by users, by the system, or > by other programs (see libexec)? /usr/local/libexec is used by the programs usually initiated by users. As per the man /libexec contains sub programs for those in /bin or /sbin. The programs are usually run by users, or run as a user themselves (multiuser mode). > What's the difference between /bin and /sbin, same for /usr/bin > and /usr/sbin? Could they maybe be merged when their functionality > is similar and they reside on the same partition (file system) > anyway? Single-user mode v multiuser mode. Most of those in /bin /sbin are required minimal to revive a non functioning system. > The /etc directory - "editable text configuration" :-) - historically > also contained binaries like /etc/mount or /etc/GETTY. Depending > on its location, one can assume that it controls OS things only. > Wrong. In many cases, /etc/rc.conf also contains settings for > enabling services installed by ports. Even though FreeBSD can > use /etc/rc.conf.local (has been known in OpenBSD for non-OS > setup stuff), most things are found in the system-wide file. > But the corresponding start scripts are in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. > Why no /usr/local/etc/rc.conf? But as rc.conf is just a file to > associate variables with names, there's no problem if they are > defined, but not used (e. g. in a limited system state after > encountering a problem)... I think you _could_ use /usr/local/etc/rc.conf (or .local). I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I'm sure I've stumbled on it. Most of us are lazy though :) easier in just one file... besides, handbook says so so it must be right :) > Luckily, most software installed from ports keeps its settings > out of /etc and uses /usr/local/etc instead. Having _known_ > locations for settings makes it easy to back them up. > > How about X on desktops? /etc/X11 is the common location for > config files (if used), but per deduction, they should be in > /usr/local/etc/X11 as X is a port, not a part of the OS. What > about the configuration of xdm? Why isn't it stored in some > /usr/local/etc subtree, but instead /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/ > is used? X11 I think is. It just isn't completely filled with the conf files - but you can override the globals there if you choose. It does get confusing though. XDM is an embarrassment :P It _should_ be run as a daemon from rc.conf, but you set it in /etc/tty, so no real surprise that its conf files are chaotic too... > This short list is just to mention the loads of philosophy > hidden within the system. :-) I'm no expert, but for the most part it all makes sense (I think); either that or I could be suffering from stockholm syndrome :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 07:47:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6A5106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:47:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056348FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amd620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1I7lat5014054; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:47:38 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:47:32 +0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201202181447.32623.erich@alogreentechnologies.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:15:37 +0000 Cc: Daniel Staal , Lars Eighner Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:47:41 -0000 Hi, On Saturday 18 February 2012 13:05:49 Lars Eighner wrote: > On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Daniel Staal wrote: > > > I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home under /usr > > though. I figure there must be a decent reason why. Would anyone care to > > enlighten me? What are the perceived advantages? (Particularly if you then > > make a symlink to /home.) > > There may have been a historic reason, but now it is philosophical - trying when I got my hands for the first time on a BSD system, the machine has had several 5MB hard disks. I assume that what now is called partitioning came from the need to have several disks to run a serious system. And yes, it was possible to boot and run BSD with at least 20 users on several 5MB disks. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 12:15:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6D8106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:15:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aram_baghomian@hushmail.com) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (smtp10.hushmail.com [65.39.178.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D928FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp10.hushmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A87A4BF341 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w8.hushmail.com [65.39.178.52]) by smtp10.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 5FE2414DBD8; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:44:14 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:44:14 +0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: aram_baghomian@hushmail.com Message-Id: <20120218114414.5FE2414DBD8@smtp.hushmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: add new encryption algorithm to racoon X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:15:48 -0000 Hi, I developed an encryption algorithm for freeBsd crypto module. I want to add this algorithm to racoon ipsec-tools for freebsd that it can recognize it In it's config file and use it for encryption connections. I use the 'des' algorithm as a sample and create C files and headers same as it in all part Of racoon source code. In compile time it make this this error: ------------------------------------------------------------------ … /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/libtool --tag=CC --mode=link cc -D_GNU_SOURCE -DSYSCONFDIR="/usr/local/etc/racoon" -DADMINPORTDIR="/var/db/racoon" -pipe -g -Wall -Werror -Wno-unused -lcrypto -rpath=/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib -o eaytest eaytest.o plog.o logger.o crypto_openssl_test.o vmbuf.o str2val.o misc_noplog.o -lradius -lutil -lcrypto -lreadline -lcrypt -lcrypt -L/lib -R/lib -lradius libtool: link: cc -D_GNU_SOURCE -DSYSCONFDIR="/usr/local/etc/racoon" -DADMINPORTDIR="/var/db/racoon" -pipe -g -Wall -Werror -Wno-unused -rpath=/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib -o eaytest eaytest.o plog.o logger.o crypto_openssl_test.o vmbuf.o str2val.o misc_noplog.o -lutil -lcrypto -lreadline -lcrypt -L/lib -lradius -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/lib crypto_openssl_test.o(.text+0x2620): In function `eay_sa3_weakkey': ./crypto_openssl.c:1314: undefined reference to `SA3_is_weak_key' crypto_openssl_test.o(.text+0x2637): In function `eay_sa3_keylen': ./crypto_openssl.c:1322: undefined reference to `EVP_sa3_cbc' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/ipsec-tools/work/ipsec-tools-0.7.3/src/racoon. *** Error code 1 … ---------------------------------------------------------------- I edit /usr/include/evp.h and add the name of functions but it not work. Should i edit the /usr/src/crypto/openssl directory's content to add my algorithm? Should i Edit the libcrypto or libssl library to add my algorithm? What should I do? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 13:03:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD2C1065677 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:03:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech.junk@myfairpoint.net) Received: from mail15c26.carrierzone.com (mail15c26-2170.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60EE8FC16 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:03:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: tech.junk.myfairpoint.net Received: from tardis.cinnet (pool-72-71-207-176.cncdnh.fast03.myfairpoint.net [72.71.207.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail15c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1ID3fS5003520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:03:42 -0500 Message-ID: <4F3FA1AC.8020509@myfairpoint.net> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:03:40 -0500 From: sean User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> <4F3DAE6F.3040706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3EF087.7070900@myfairpoint.net> <4F3EF55F.9030300@myfairpoint.net> <20120218012442.GB58266@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20120218012442.GB58266@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=BF5ZK6hrtpVDoz5qKAowPIOi8OHEr4zx1kviGQhHeOQ= c=1 sm=1 a=ARgoipcozPkA:10 a=rfH5AOF9JjsA:10 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=qiV6Z9L8f1sA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:17 a=ziLXfvXnLElpQi_p5x4A:9 a=XcJsBKIq-OPMw9xw8TIA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020208.4F3FA1B1.00BB,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash (Success) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tech.junk@myfairpoint.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:03:47 -0000 On 02/17/12 20:24, Frank Shute wrote: > I'd recommend www/xpi-flashblock. You can whitelist sites such as > Youtube and the bbc whilst blocking the crappy flash adverts that are > a feature of too many sites on the web. Especially useful if you're on > a narrowband connection or metered. Regards, Why do you use the port over the add-on? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 13:07:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8C6106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech.junk@myfairpoint.net) Received: from mail14c26.carrierzone.com (mail14c26-2170.carrierzone.com [64.29.152.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8B58FC13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:07:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: tech.junk.myfairpoint.net Received: from tardis.cinnet (pool-72-71-207-176.cncdnh.fast03.myfairpoint.net [72.71.207.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail14c26.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q1ID72sA024463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:07:03 -0500 Message-ID: <4F3FA275.2090902@myfairpoint.net> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:07:01 -0500 From: sean User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201202180644.q1I6iLR1070807@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201202180644.q1I6iLR1070807@mail.r-bonomi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=NRKtasisccMsNoLgPRT9fHRNQM/A7yzCNtmsblv4xfs= c=1 sm=1 a=ARgoipcozPkA:10 a=YamaJ3vGr5cA:10 a=qiV6Z9L8f1sA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:17 a=kpQ2gqie2Gpmj_UYvV8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=A6gFFesEe+JZEf3YhMpIRw==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4F3FA27A.00AE,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tech.junk@myfairpoint.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:07:08 -0000 On 02/18/12 01:44, Robert Bonomi wrote: > Try: find / -name 'ld-linux.so*' -print (including the single-quotes) > > If you do _NOT_ get a listing from that, you didn't just delete the symlink, > you wiped out the actual shared library, and will have to re-install it. > I do get a listing. I wrote in another email that the cause of the problem was no plugins directory under .Mozilla. Once I manually created the directory and ran the nspluginwrapper again flash is now working. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 13:07:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FD8106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gautham@lisphacker.org) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C068FC15 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadz30 with SMTP id z30so1964220qad.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gautham@lisphacker.org designates 10.229.76.23 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.76.23; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gautham@lisphacker.org designates 10.229.76.23 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gautham@lisphacker.org Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.76.23]) by 10.229.76.23 with SMTP id a23mr9442724qck.100.1329570430452 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:07:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.76.23 with SMTP id a23mr7951224qck.100.1329568614319; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.8.77 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 04:36:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120128151812.GA97442@slackbox.erewhon.net> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:36:54 +0000 Message-ID: From: Gautham Ganapathy To: Henry Olyer , questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnhi9kIJ3Ep2zVD46ZHhGgNP915cQriB1Xqw0hILHWvbHvwUwH/z7xoe94qVwrbI5R1XwFi Cc: Subject: Re: When I put up any version of FBSD I usually try to install Maxima. Which fails because the sub-install of gnuplot fails. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:07:11 -0000 On 28 January 2012 19:54, Henry Olyer wrote: > I've been using FBSD since 2000 and a Macsyma user since 1976. > > And done my own FBSD installs since 5.1, I think, maybe a few before. =A0= For > those early years I was content to install a lisp and then do my own FTP'= s, > getting maxima and doing things manually. =A0No problems. > > But the installs have never worked. =A0Specificially, using the sysinstal= l > tool, going to Packages, going to Math, and dropping down to Maxima, > FAILS!!! > > And a few years ago everyone yelled at me and said I was wrong. =A0But I'= ve > had this problem on at least a dozen machines, from laptop's to desktops, > to blades. > > And when Gnuplot failed to install that stopped the installation of maxim= a. > > So I did workarounds but lost graphing and other resources. > I did face a gnuplot-related problem while trying to install maxima from ports on 8-STABLE sometime back. Turned out that I had changed some build flag for one of the ports on that gnuplot depended on, causing it to depend back on gnuplot. So when I built maxima, it would go to gnuplot and then just keep cycling through a whole lot of dependencies. I am not able to recall which port caused the problem, but if this is related to the problem you are facing and you haven't changed any build options, it should build properly. Cheers Gautham From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 13:12:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D841065673 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:12:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1658FC24 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BA05C28 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:25:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CD125C22 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:25:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3FA28D.30507@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:07:25 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3D79E7.2050408@myfairpoint.net> <339DE86F-1C75-43AC-91D2-562E8B890A8B@myfairpoint.net> <4F3DAE6F.3040706@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3EF087.7070900@myfairpoint.net> <4F3EF55F.9030300@myfairpoint.net> <20120218012442.GB58266@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4F3FA1AC.8020509@myfairpoint.net> In-Reply-To: <4F3FA1AC.8020509@myfairpoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Adobe Linux Flash (Success) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:12:14 -0000 On 02/18/12 23:03, sean wrote: > On 02/17/12 20:24, Frank Shute wrote: >> I'd recommend www/xpi-flashblock. You can whitelist sites such as >> Youtube and the bbc whilst blocking the crappy flash adverts that are >> a feature of too many sites on the web. Especially useful if you're >> on a narrowband connection or metered. Regards, > > Why do you use the port over the add-on? Meh. You can use either, but it will need to be downloaded and installed for each user if you use add-on. With port, you only download once and can copy to the user config in their directory. More a sysadmin thing - centralised control. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 13:39:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D45F106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B4B8FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1IDdFgc046073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:39:15 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1IDdFgc046073 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329572355; bh=Q36n30qO/j+hcuWa4q9u8oLVbZkSgpS7n97onP2/OOg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=vZ4VWZoaSVwMpKnH2scBsLiwciWSoOYQM2xnkbwsx9azDGvXkj2vGtIDx7Acw70Ua 6UDJy/HWHjMT0ZXZvCU3l7fCPO3yNru+RYBXBtnZbBfN0HPEeWIaDEyY7RA8+sYFkK Ylt2pPc0VDu4hsegKzeR9uCXNJFGZu/EldoI5/7c= Message-ID: <4F3FA9FB.7030203@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:39:07 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3F8A46.1090908@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F3F8D39.80907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3F8D39.80907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig58FFAF7E41CD9A1CA5BE0288" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:39:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig58FFAF7E41CD9A1CA5BE0288 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/02/2012 11:36, Da Rock wrote: > If I may, can I ask a quick question: My main misgivings about ZFS have= > been speed, ram use, and up till about a year ago or so relative 'youth= ' > (at least on FreeBSD). What would be the minimum ram you would use for = a > high disk use? And what would be recommended to use for the caching? I > was thinking 8G ram and either a high quality usb/SD(/CF?) disk or a > sata II/III SSD for cache. Yes -- ZFS uses RAM heavily to improve performance. I've a VM running ZFS with only 1GB which is pretty slow. Mind you, a similar VM with UFS is also pretty slow. For an actual machine, about 4GB makes a reasonable ZFS system. More is better though; 8GB is what I'd recommend. ZFS speed is on the whole pretty reasonable. It doesn't do small, randomized IO very effectively, so it's not ideal to run a database on. Other than that, for a home e-mail / web /fileserver ZFS is just fine. I haven't tried SSDs or anything like that -- that's an optimization to improve latency when accessing lots of different files, and my usage doesn't really justify it. Try it without before spending any money on SSDs. It may well be good enough, but if it isn't then adding SSDs and making ZFS use them for ZIL or cache is pretty simple (and doesn't require any downtime.) Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig58FFAF7E41CD9A1CA5BE0288 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8/qgIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwbogCfd0iEtDNt5/8IyZ2Vwi1GvFhS UtIAniyVAA1bygLQmu5QU/EuBAKkUoen =OVI6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig58FFAF7E41CD9A1CA5BE0288-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 13:52:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD53106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E3D8FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579C75C28 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:06:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 893FC5C22 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:06:21 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3FAC17.8000300@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:48:07 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3F8A46.1090908@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F3F8D39.80907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3FA9FB.7030203@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F3FA9FB.7030203@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:52:57 -0000 On 02/18/12 23:39, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 18/02/2012 11:36, Da Rock wrote: >> If I may, can I ask a quick question: My main misgivings about ZFS have >> been speed, ram use, and up till about a year ago or so relative 'youth' >> (at least on FreeBSD). What would be the minimum ram you would use for a >> high disk use? And what would be recommended to use for the caching? I >> was thinking 8G ram and either a high quality usb/SD(/CF?) disk or a >> sata II/III SSD for cache. > Yes -- ZFS uses RAM heavily to improve performance. I've a VM running > ZFS with only 1GB which is pretty slow. Mind you, a similar VM with > UFS is also pretty slow. > > For an actual machine, about 4GB makes a reasonable ZFS system. More is > better though; 8GB is what I'd recommend. ZFS speed is on the whole > pretty reasonable. It doesn't do small, randomized IO very effectively, > so it's not ideal to run a database on. Other than that, for a home > e-mail / web /fileserver ZFS is just fine. > > I haven't tried SSDs or anything like that -- that's an optimization to > improve latency when accessing lots of different files, and my usage > doesn't really justify it. Try it without before spending any money on > SSDs. It may well be good enough, but if it isn't then adding SSDs and > making ZFS use them for ZIL or cache is pretty simple (and doesn't > require any downtime.) I was thinking along the lines of continuous heavy load of writing (some read) rather large files (5G+ would be average - multiple!) - does that warrant caching or is it only lots of smaller files? That and lots of ~0.5G files (read mostly) is what defines the main load on the system. I ask because I'm not 100% sure of what the caching is for. I had thought it was like the journal log for fast writing to be later written to the filesystem itself, but now I think I may be wrong in my judgement. It now sounds like a fast access for usual suspects. Now you see how a terabyte and a half disk space can be used in a matter of hours :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 14:18:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2318106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:18:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kyle.law@fgconferences.com) Received: from mail.fgconferences.com (mail.fgconferences.com [219.91.147.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316728FC18 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:18:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from WIN7-PC (unknown [192.168.70.241]) by mail.fgconferences.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06A334475F for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:48:18 +0530 (IST) From: "Kyle Law" To: "freebsd-questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: FG Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:11:02 +0800 Priority: urgent X-Priority: 1 Message-Id: <20120218141818.A06A334475F@mail.fgconferences.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Invitation to Efficient Plant Shutdown & Turnaround Forum 2012 - Kuala Lumpur X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:18:20 -0000 20 - 21 March 2012, The Royale Chulan Hotel, Kuala Lumpur A Regional TAR Management Forum - APAC Dear Energy Peer, =E2=80=9CHow should we handle forced outages?=E2=80=9D - Avoid a heart= rending sight of smouldering our plants with spiralling smoke. 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Best, Kyle Law T: 603 2141 5357 E: kyle.law@fleminggulf.com =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 14:29:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A5B106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:29:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2658FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1IESuYZ046841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:28:56 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q1IESuYZ046841 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1329575336; bh=DdZ7DMaJ8gPdFXUn0s/X4N4z5dnRUwQFa7u7QIO++EY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc; b=n4h8tmPTNT7Jr2iYvWZNGXcm1GT9ImXt+zXp5/qThIQBMdkDHY972TCvU6ClxIJXb EgVU73IaovI3HFgR8TnsrkLbkGTVUEYAKWv21xX/FhbuJAG/srkVH5KydrFoKZ9GUJ vBWSxNM4LbtfwZ9EbJvDqAmHa9t0pfzj9EBU+7zw= Message-ID: <4F3FB5A0.9020806@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:28:48 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3F8A46.1090908@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F3F8D39.80907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3FA9FB.7030203@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F3FAC17.8000300@herveybayaustralia.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4F3FAC17.8000300@herveybayaustralia.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE7D6FF520B8D0D9E72B352D1" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:29:05 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE7D6FF520B8D0D9E72B352D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18/02/2012 13:48, Da Rock wrote: > I was thinking along the lines of continuous heavy load of writing (som= e > read) rather large files (5G+ would be average - multiple!) - does that= > warrant caching or is it only lots of smaller files? That and lots of > ~0.5G files (read mostly) is what defines the main load on the system. >=20 > I ask because I'm not 100% sure of what the caching is for. I had > thought it was like the journal log for fast writing to be later writte= n > to the filesystem itself, but now I think I may be wrong in my > judgement. It now sounds like a fast access for usual suspects. >=20 > Now you see how a terabyte and a half disk space can be used in a matte= r > of hours :) Right. That's a lot more file IO than I anticipated in my previous answer. For that amount of usage, 8GB would definitely be required and quite possibly more. Separate devices for ZIL and ARC would be a good idea. (ZIL is effectively the caching for the write path, ARC for the read path. That's a gross over-simplification actually, but good enough.= ) The caching is vital -- it's where all the stuff like checking the parity for a RAIDZn device happens, or the compression/decompression actions. Yes, it works like file system journalling too. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigE7D6FF520B8D0D9E72B352D1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8/tagACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyzSwCeMrCEsqWRRxcne511oFp6vK8+ WfYAnjz5q74sXTSsaO0qW4PNAn4dPceM =HbCD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE7D6FF520B8D0D9E72B352D1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 14:46:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69DE1065673 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9008FC13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q1IEp6L5076072 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:51:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:51:06 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201202181451.q1IEp6L5076072@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:46:14 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 18 01:59:53 2012 > From: Doug Hardie > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:36 -0800 > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: One or Four? > > > On 17 February 2012, at 23:21, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 17 19:56:00 2012 > >> From: Doug Hardie > >> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:50:44 -0800 > >> To: FreeBSD Mailing List > >> Subject: Re: One or Four? > >> > >> > >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: > >>> We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the "old" style default > >>> with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and > >>> swap. > >> > >> > >> I only run servers and set them up with /, /usr, and swap. Other partitions > >> are placed on other disks with typically one partition per disk. I link /var > >> and /tmp into /usr. > > > > That last is a *BAD*IDEA*(tm). There _are_ programs that assume that /var/tmp > > and /usr/tmp are *different* places -- and will attempt to create 'distinct' > > files _with_the_same_name_ in the two diretories. > > I am sure you can find programs that presume anything you want. I have never > seen one that does that. If I did find one, it would be easy to correct that > misguided thinking. "Those who are unwilling to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" applies. I state as a fact that I have been called in -- *more*than*once* -- to attempt to recover data that had been trashed as a result of what was eventually determined to be that specific issue. As for your claim of it being 'easy to correct that misguided thinking' -- that is an outright lie, when one is dealing with COTS software for which one does not have the source-code. There is also the 'minor' matter of establishing that 'that' -was- the cause of the problems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 14:54:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115451065672 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:54:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1998FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id hn14so3284684wib.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rwmaillists@googlemail.com designates 10.180.86.198 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.86.198; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rwmaillists@googlemail.com designates 10.180.86.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rwmaillists@googlemail.com; dkim=pass header.i=rwmaillists@googlemail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.86.198]) by 10.180.86.198 with SMTP id r6mr5448323wiz.22.1329576879330 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:54:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ULDyPugjsWAkr5eh6SsBgM9UC11QNiOmldpXe5UKYLA=; b=e6NeSUJOGiT2Gr+Lfi6jbkG2mKrNBrJxK0snpIdE8mpcWw/SiGDbnl2imS7MZ9SuIK JzBiCvpuQEf62cQDi4JohLoBUERiK8d0KktijkS/QWHcAAuOUXxfBhAdYbvHbeeu/Rhd vDUDsfacHsy8+kMxuvjpY1q/8lR7cwf+Pyixg= Received: by 10.180.86.198 with SMTP id r6mr4621702wiz.22.1329576879294; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n5sm10037375wiw.7.2012.02.18.06.54.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:54:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:54:35 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120218145435.5f7efb37@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3EEC58.1000308@fisglobal.com> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120217225329.GB30014@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <021101ccedc9$89445cf0$9bcd16d0$@fisglobal.com> <290E977C-E361-4C7D-8F1E-C1D6D03BAD63@mac.com> <4F3EEC58.1000308@fisglobal.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:54:40 -0000 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:10:00 -0800 Robison, Dave wrote: > On 02/17/2012 15:55, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > > > Yes. It works as intended even when /tmp is part of a single root > > partition; although mounting /tmp as a RAM- or swap-based tmpfs > > filesystem might be better for many situations. > > Sure it has its uses, but now you're jumping into new territory where > the installer has to either ask the user to create tmpfs or make the > decision to do it on its own. As has been stated, this is fine if > sufficient RAM is available. Personally I don't like using RAM for > tmp. The only option for a genuinely ram-backed /tmp is something that you should probably never use for anything, a malloc-backed md device using wired kernel memory. If there is a good reason for that I can't think of it, it keeps all files, even deleted ones, in memory even at the expense of the processes that are accessing the files. The practical choices are tmpfs or (if you don't trust tmpfs) a swap-backed md device. Both of these use swap-backed storage via the normal VM/Caching-system. tmpfs files tend to stay cached longer than on a normal UFS partition (because there's no deadline for writing out dirty pages) but that's generally what you want. In my experience /tmpfs works well whether you have too little or too much memory. I've been using it for building ports for a long time, and it works fine even on ports that couldn't be built on ufs without swap usage. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 14:59:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37714106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D268A8FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (bell.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.40]) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB455C2B for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:13:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au (laptop1.herveybayaustralia.com.au [192.168.0.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 349385C22 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:13:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <4F3FBBC8.3030005@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:55:04 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111109 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3F8A46.1090908@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F3F8D39.80907@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3FA9FB.7030203@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4F3FAC17.8000300@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <4F3FB5A0.9020806@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F3FB5A0.9020806@infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:59:53 -0000 On 02/19/12 00:28, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 18/02/2012 13:48, Da Rock wrote: >> I was thinking along the lines of continuous heavy load of writing (some >> read) rather large files (5G+ would be average - multiple!) - does that >> warrant caching or is it only lots of smaller files? That and lots of >> ~0.5G files (read mostly) is what defines the main load on the system. >> >> I ask because I'm not 100% sure of what the caching is for. I had >> thought it was like the journal log for fast writing to be later written >> to the filesystem itself, but now I think I may be wrong in my >> judgement. It now sounds like a fast access for usual suspects. >> >> Now you see how a terabyte and a half disk space can be used in a matter >> of hours :) > Right. That's a lot more file IO than I anticipated in my previous > answer. For that amount of usage, 8GB would definitely be required and > quite possibly more. Separate devices for ZIL and ARC would be a good > idea. (ZIL is effectively the caching for the write path, ARC for the > read path. That's a gross over-simplification actually, but good enough.) > > The caching is vital -- it's where all the stuff like checking the > parity for a RAIDZn device happens, or the compression/decompression > actions. Yes, it works like file system journalling too. Thanks for the tips Matthew. Now you know why I haven't tackled that hurdle yet :) I'm gunna need some serious hardware... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 15:50:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95194106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:50:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnd999@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193F98FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdq11 with SMTP id dq11so3558359wgb.31 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mnd999@gmail.com designates 10.180.102.35 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.102.35; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mnd999@gmail.com designates 10.180.102.35 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mnd999@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=mnd999@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.102.35]) by 10.180.102.35 with SMTP id fl3mr4475963wib.22.1329580258088 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:50:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=zpVlgWH5M/03rmSP8yidSmKLa3uJ4Unu9aOhWmrjBZo=; b=EvADFLJ9eOkw4b2WP6iujqtqnXLLyYSkeLyGxhEPzEtdJpKP0pL04aIsERVjAwn8wp RF9KSu427rAcHKjCrPFIY/vJAPEFsNBW495RIRY3ZM/mw1LFMe38IFs4AIF9C0+cF5rp qNI5QM4BPgmvxAlQFl0HuZyfIJkiUz5Z8cV24= Received: by 10.180.102.35 with SMTP id fl3mr3674343wib.22.1329578779228; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.222] (027d82e6.bb.sky.com. [2.125.130.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n5sm10383312wiw.7.2012.02.18.07.26.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:26:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Dixon Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F98ABE8-9C68-4BDF-A54C-47F00F8ECFE9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:26:08 +0000 Message-Id: <5CF2D9AB-DCE6-484B-BAB1-06E7E540F807@gmail.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: Bridge wired / wireless without hosting the network - is this possible X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:50:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5F98ABE8-9C68-4BDF-A54C-47F00F8ECFE9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Apologies if this has come up before but I can't see anything with a = quick google. What I want to do is setup a bridge between my wireless network and a = wired one. Hostap I hear everyone cry but I don't think that will work = because I don't want to create a wireless network - I want to join an = existing one because this box won't be turned on all the time. I also = need the bridging desktop to have a DHCP acquired IP because it want to = have internet access (I mainly use it for Scala dev). Essentially, the network looks like this: [Internet Router w/ DHCP] -----wired--[Switch] ---wired---[Airport = Express]******wireless******[Desktop = w/Freebsd9]-------wired-----[ReadyNAS] What I want to do is have the freebsd (dual boot wi/ Windows) desktop = bridge to the readyNAS when it's turned on via the wireless LAN so that = I can access files on it. Unfortunately I can't connect the readyNAS to = the switch because the switch is in the living room and the readyNAS is = too noisy. When the desktop is running Windows 7 this is dead easy, but = I can't figure out how to do it under FreeBSD. Any ideas? Thanks, Mark= --Apple-Mail=_5F98ABE8-9C68-4BDF-A54C-47F00F8ECFE9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAk8/wxcACgkQLqgJ90OcaiB+PwCgtCpQQiVM5lK7GTul9IpzNGg+ /b4An2rqpoODvPXYtptB7B2oqoiVktC7 =sRq0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5F98ABE8-9C68-4BDF-A54C-47F00F8ECFE9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 16:27:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1F61065744 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:27:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B008FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-75-202.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.75.202]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71653CC41; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:27:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q1IGRJgL082817; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:27:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:27:19 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120218172719.e719264c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <4F3F91EC.8020209@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218112252.772c878b.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F80FD.8070201@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120218123943.147a7842.freebsd@edvax.de> <4F3F91EC.8020209@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Da Rock Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:27:23 -0000 On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:56:28 +1000, Da Rock wrote: > /usr/local/libexec is used by the programs usually initiated by users. > As per the man /libexec contains sub programs for those in /bin or /sbin. > > The programs are usually run by users, or run as a user themselves > (multiuser mode). Daemons also seem to reside there, and those are typically called by the system "automatically". > Single-user mode v multiuser mode. Most of those in /bin /sbin are > required minimal to revive a non functioning system. I think "man hier" summarizes it very nicely. > I think you _could_ use /usr/local/etc/rc.conf (or .local). I'd have to > look it up to be sure, but I'm sure I've stumbled on it. Most of us are > lazy though :) easier in just one file... besides, handbook says so so > it must be right :) >From "man rc.conf" (3rd paragraph) I can see that the use of /etc/rc.conf.local is possible. I have to be honest: I did never use it on FreeBSD, just a nice big ################# non-OS #################### comment barrier, followed by all the stuff one does not really need. :-) If the local_startup directories list contains /usr/local, I think even /usr/local/etc/rc.conf could be possible, but I haven't investigated on this any further. > X11 I think is. It just isn't completely filled with the conf files - > but you can override the globals there if you choose. It does get > confusing though. > > XDM is an embarrassment :P It _should_ be run as a daemon from rc.conf, > but you set it in /etc/tty, so no real surprise that its conf files are > chaotic too... Some of the xdm config files have the possibility to override them, but in the xdm/ subtree (in /usr/local/lib/X11!) there are files with hardcoded paths. I think a better separation of configuration and library items should be provided, and a startup per rc.d/ file (such as kdm and gdm provide them) should be possible. I'm not sure how wdm (the WindowMaker display manager) handles it - I assume it also uses the /etc/ttys entry. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[24.186.67.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ft9sm34387817qab.0.2012.02.18.08.36.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:36:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3FD38A.4020204@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:36:26 -0500 From: Jonathan Vomacka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:48:54 +0000 Subject: BIND SPF/TXT Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:36:20 -0000 I know this is a bit off topic from CentOS itself, but are there any DNS experts that would be able to e-mail me on the side and assist with some questions I have regarding TXT/SPF records? I want to ensure my mail doesn't bounce. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 16:52:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B0D106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147978FC17 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadz30 with SMTP id z30so2095184qad.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of juvix88@gmail.com designates 10.229.134.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.134.194; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of juvix88@gmail.com designates 10.229.134.194 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=juvix88@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=juvix88@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.134.194]) by 10.229.134.194 with SMTP id k2mr9720497qct.68.1329583964531 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:52:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CYRiP2Ns0BeK83QCet5F52YrnbvKvYlaFKh2KvTmELE=; b=UM/yW9kgACQ2/qSgRcV9xD6oGl6jvKlB8lCMHgIlTTOXP6sqQBbO7XRcaaqSlckPtC zXBaPVyJd0CJgebu+nAxK5rMvijwzc32zsz9D55bGY71hI4/Mrvbc4RQqwH75XLSYZC/ VCqGrNCBM81/QjclLxy9Q7RBB827Y5sik16D8= Received: by 10.229.134.194 with SMTP id k2mr8278999qct.68.1329583963788; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (ool-18ba4338.dyn.optonline.net. [24.186.67.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o8sm34453233qan.11.2012.02.18.08.52.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3FD761.4020605@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:52:49 -0500 From: Jonathan Vomacka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Question regarding SPF records X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:52:45 -0000 I am inquiring about how to setup a proper SPF record. I know there are SPF wizards/generators available but each seem to have a different "opinion" of what should be included and what should not be included. Let me give you a scenario of my setup, and hopefully someone can help me out. My domain is: test.com My mailserver hostname is: mail.host.com which also has a MATCHING PTR record mail.host.com (for example) resolves to 50.1.1.1 and 50.1.1.1 resolves to mail.host.com This is a STANDALONE mail server which will receive and send email without any VIP's or load balancing. There is however one additional host that will send out mail from the domain but it wont be receiving mail, it will only be used as an SMTP (outbound only) server attached to a website automailer which is on a seperate webserver... It only generates error reports and sends them out... so technically it isn't a full mail server but it will be sending (outbound only) mail on behalf of the domain. The additional host is: mail2.test.com which resolves to 50.2.2.2 and there is a Matching PTR. These are the ONLY mail servers and IP addresses that will be sending out mail from the test.com domain. Some websites say I should use -all and others say -all will cause some MTA's to reject and ~all is better to use even if those are the only two hosts sending out mail. Would you be able to assist with a solid SPF record? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 17:18:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040F8106564A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FFD8FC17 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so3871482wer.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gobble.wa@gmail.com designates 10.180.83.70 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.83.70; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gobble.wa@gmail.com designates 10.180.83.70 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gobble.wa@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=gobble.wa@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.83.70]) by 10.180.83.70 with SMTP id o6mr6162664wiy.19.1329585508543 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ahUgbvl2OSDcJB/ayXz2EPTf1Mcfx2p7pIj1HdMvWDo=; b=uiGQOj5ix9909c0P/ztrQ11K4vcGtxd8T7WK9oQCJvqP4Q/nt1AxWMS7or1wi+iTIc tH09YWM2ghUSN7133VisQ1lzOaOQOmLHX+uZe2Sa1I7Nn+YAsYQV4K7umtfvM6B8zVC1 /Cpv+qG/snOC89QpI8R2Ot11UIRISws3nGDg4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.83.70 with SMTP id o6mr5213744wiy.19.1329585508404; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.235.139 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.235.139 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3FD761.4020605@gmail.com> References: <4F3FD761.4020605@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:18:28 -0800 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: Jonathan Vomacka Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question regarding SPF records X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:18:30 -0000 On Feb 18, 2012 8:53 AM, "Jonathan Vomacka" wrote: > > I am inquiring about how to setup a proper SPF record. I know there are SPF wizards/generators available but each seem to have a different "opinion" of what should be included and what should not be included. > > Let me give you a scenario of my setup, and hopefully someone can help me out. > > My domain is: test.com > My mailserver hostname is: mail.host.com which also has a MATCHING PTR record > mail.host.com (for example) resolves to 50.1.1.1 and 50.1.1.1 resolves to mail.host.com > > This is a STANDALONE mail server which will receive and send email without any VIP's or load balancing. There is however one additional host that will send out mail from the domain but it wont be receiving mail, it will only be used as an SMTP (outbound only) server attached to a website automailer which is on a seperate webserver... It only generates error reports and sends them out... so technically it isn't a full mail server but it will be sending (outbound only) mail on behalf of the domain. > > The additional host is: mail2.test.com which resolves to 50.2.2.2 and there is a Matching PTR. > > These are the ONLY mail servers and IP addresses that will be sending out mail from the test.com domain. Some websites say I should use -all and others say -all will cause some MTA's to reject and ~all is better to use even if those are the only two hosts sending out mail. > > Would you be able to assist with a solid SPF record? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I usually choose soft fail because a user might decide to use a mobile device for email. Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 17:34:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7549E106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juvix88@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2125D8FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qaea17 with SMTP id a17so5218870qae.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of juvix88@gmail.com designates 10.229.137.85 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.137.85; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of juvix88@gmail.com designates 10.229.137.85 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=juvix88@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=juvix88@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.137.85]) by 10.229.137.85 with SMTP id v21mr9877219qct.70.1329586443274 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:34:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Cx6nZhDcNnR07KLfbPwdDGnhIQwEcIca0V9E2JR2Cqk=; b=pb9FZGnAI6vcpXq9mosY7mOGqbVmjlnByji6pK7v7XUU0LJ50O2c9spg3ir3h/1bMv Q56tStDWRy4gEuFtmFQn1HZxAolSv/WVjV/r5zw+0wcrzp/LgU1We0X2vd/3gF+JWkns lorpwP2AnOzsdXn+y7kKKHTVZ1Ma6j4jcjOeo= Received: by 10.229.137.85 with SMTP id v21mr8422052qct.70.1329586443086; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.199] (ool-18ba4338.dyn.optonline.net. [24.186.67.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hr9sm19597435qab.12.2012.02.18.09.34.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:34:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3FE111.9050801@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:34:09 -0500 From: Jonathan Vomacka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Waitman Gobble References: <4F3FD761.4020605@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question regarding SPF records X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:34:04 -0000 On 2/18/2012 12:18 PM, Waitman Gobble wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2012 8:53 AM, "Jonathan Vomacka" > wrote: > > > > I am inquiring about how to setup a proper SPF record. I know there > are SPF wizards/generators available but each seem to have a different > "opinion" of what should be included and what should not be included. > > > > Let me give you a scenario of my setup, and hopefully someone can > help me out. > > > > My domain is: test.com > > My mailserver hostname is: mail.host.com which > also has a MATCHING PTR record > > mail.host.com (for example) resolves to > 50.1.1.1 and 50.1.1.1 resolves to mail.host.com > > > > This is a STANDALONE mail server which will receive and send email > without any VIP's or load balancing. There is however one additional > host that will send out mail from the domain but it wont be receiving > mail, it will only be used as an SMTP (outbound only) server attached to > a website automailer which is on a seperate webserver... It only > generates error reports and sends them out... so technically it isn't a > full mail server but it will be sending (outbound only) mail on behalf > of the domain. > > > > The additional host is: mail2.test.com which > resolves to 50.2.2.2 and there is a Matching PTR. > > > > These are the ONLY mail servers and IP addresses that will be sending > out mail from the test.com domain. Some websites say I > should use -all and others say -all will cause some MTA's to reject and > ~all is better to use even if those are the only two hosts sending out mail. > > > > Would you be able to assist with a solid SPF record? > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > I usually choose soft fail because a user might decide to use a mobile > device for email. > > Waitman Gobble > San Jose California USA > Waitman, Fair enough statement. I also generated the following SPF using a wizard. Let me know if this looks correct: teamwarfare.com. IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx a:mail.teamwarfare.com a:mail2.teamwarfare.com ip4:66.90.73.80 ip4:216.250.250.148 ~all" I wouldn't need an "include:" or "ptr" statement in this right? I would told "include:" was to include OTHER domains that are allowed to send e-mail, but then again I see some people writing the domain again as an include. Also is PTR good to use or not? 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[87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m8sm13551229wia.11.2012.02.18.12.19.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:19:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:19:55 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120218201955.28776fe8@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <4F3FE111.9050801@gmail.com> References: <4F3FD761.4020605@gmail.com> <4F3FE111.9050801@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Question regarding SPF records X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:20:02 -0000 On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:34:09 -0500 Jonathan Vomacka wrote: > teamwarfare.com. IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx a:mail.teamwarfare.com > a:mail2.teamwarfare.com ip4:66.90.73.80 ip4:216.250.250.148 ~all" > > I wouldn't need an "include:" or "ptr" statement in this right? I > would told "include:" was to include OTHER domains that are allowed > to send e-mail, but then again I see some people writing the domain > again as an include. Also is PTR good to use or not? If you can specify the servers with ip addresses then that's all you need. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 21:10:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56396106566C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F342C8FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q1IL6Tmf033722; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:06:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id q1IL6T6g033721; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:06:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:06:28 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Daniel Staal Message-ID: <20120218210628.GA33662@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:10:13 -0000 On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 09:16:34PM -0500, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have > said: > > >Well, to be honest, I never liked the "old style" default > >with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_ > >default style for separated partitions include: > > > > / > > swap > > /tmp > > /var > > /usr > > /home > > > >In special cases, add /opt or /scratch as separate partitions > >with intendedly limited sizes. > > > >You can see that all user data is kept independently from > >the rest of the system. It can easily be switched over to > >a separate "home disk" if needed. > > --As for the rest, it is mine. > > I'm in agreement with you on that I like to have /home be a separate > partition, and not under /usr. (Of course, my current zfs system has 40 > partitions...) Partly though I recognize that I like it because that's > what I'm used to, and how I learned to set it up originally. (My first > unix experience was with OpenBSD, over 10 years ago now.) > > I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home under > /usr though. I figure there must be a decent reason why. Would anyone > care to enlighten me? What are the perceived advantages? (Particularly if > you then make a symlink to /home.) > > Just a question that's been bugging me, as I read through different FreeBSD > docs. I think it was just ancient history when everything was small and besides root, swap and /tmp was in /usr. ////jerry > > Daniel T. Staal > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 21:38:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2371065670 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4CC8FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q1ILYIbF033829; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:34:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id q1ILYH2j033828; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:34:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:34:17 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Damien Fleuriot Message-ID: <20120218213417.GB33662@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <4F3F8672.3090805@my.gd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3F8672.3090805@my.gd> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One or Four? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:38:02 -0000 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > On 2/17/12 11:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote: > > Hiya, > [snip] > > We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as > > one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We > > want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four > > partitions and swap when selecting "Guided Partitioning" and "Use Entire > > Disk". > > > > Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave > > > > Seeing as people using the default are likely to be novices, I vote in > favor of ONE. > > The reasoning being that novices are less likely to be able to correctly > size their /usr and /var than a seasoned sysadmin. So, we have now had scads of 'discussion' about schemes for disk partitioning and there were a bunch, plus arguments about which is the best with each person convinced that theirs is. As far as I can see, this all leads to the conclusion that the one design that gives a reasonable and simple set of choices for all fits the FreeBSD model that of providing a well made system and allowing the user/sysadmin to configure it the way [s]he wants/needs rather than imposing a common usage on everyone. Next we'll be arguing about which windows manager is mandatory for users to include at install time. So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good. Or, I could even suggest just two choices. [ ] all in one + swap Create one partition containing all subtrees plus one swap partition. [ ] user-defined Make your own partitioning selection manually. (Both number and size of partitions) with a reasonable way to specify partitions and sizes. The old Sysinstall way is not bad, but if it obsolete, then something as easy that fits the new GPT based system. But, that middle choice that Polytropon suggested is OK to include if you think it is needed. /, /tmp, /usr, /var, [/home] +swap I don't see that this plan adds any significant complication or confusion. Nor does it prevent any of the schemes people have been advocating or requesting. ////jerry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 22:46:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92078106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:46:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AD48FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcwo16 with SMTP id wo16so7575021obc.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com designates 10.182.193.73 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.193.73; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com designates 10.182.193.73 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kudzu@tenebras.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.182.193.73]) by 10.182.193.73 with SMTP id hm9mr47467obc.29.1329605192692 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:46:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.193.73 with SMTP id hm9mr38300obc.29.1329605192624; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.49.164 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:46:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120218210628.GA33662@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218210628.GA33662@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:46:32 -0800 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Jerry McAllister Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk7hMUgo8qaxjq3uiXOcO5MK1sWm0vLBr1Sg2jfGz939k7B1UvfybegWAdZqHC4A6lEyPTs Cc: Daniel Staal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:46:33 -0000 man hier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 23:05:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45597106567A for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gkontos.mail@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DCA8FC16 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbbfa15 with SMTP id fa15so4281038vbb.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gkontos.mail@gmail.com designates 10.52.88.235 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.88.235; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gkontos.mail@gmail.com designates 10.52.88.235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gkontos.mail@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=gkontos.mail@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.88.235]) by 10.52.88.235 with SMTP id bj11mr6967108vdb.119.1329606304413 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:05:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HFWhU+vCV3pUn8VuucE9CDcJvqSGSuimECXUXXvJ7kU=; b=sHxkB3JjrNgZQuBy+hWD37fHq4IiwdFD+HEUkBTdIM9aR0v7jb4LqT7zwBZ1MFR4W4 /SPsSWvs39wvdwpfvoE9qPrW4cV0cdRY4cWOy4xOj5GywxGzZflAx/5H54cCfYiAx2dl yR6O+AhRWGVLAVlw0HRBGNkvSINPxlvXL1ml8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.88.235 with SMTP id bj11mr5599337vdb.119.1329606303022; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.38.67 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:05:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3F7EF5.80201@acm.org> References: <4F3F7EF5.80201@acm.org> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 01:05:02 +0200 Message-ID: From: George Kontostanos To: Denis Fortin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:05:06 -0000 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Denis Fortin wrote: > Good morning, > > On a small system using FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE, ZFS is reporting an issue on= a > pool, that I am not certain is really an issue, but I don't know how to > investgate... > > Here is the situation: I have created a ZFS pool on an external 1TB Maxst= or > USB drive. > > The ZFS pool sees little or no activity, I haven't started using it for r= eal > yet. > > The drive spins down frequently because of lack of activity, and takes qu= ite > a few seconds to spin up. > > Now, I frequently get errors in the 'zpool status' thus (like, a couple o= f > times per day): > >> [denis@datasink] ~> zpool status -v >> =A0 pool: maxstor >> =A0state: ONLINE >> status: One or more devices has experienced an unrecoverable error. =A0A= n >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 attempt was made to correct the error. =A0Applications a= re >> unaffected. >> action: Determine if the device needs to be replaced, and clear the erro= rs >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 using 'zpool clear' or replace the device with 'zpool re= place'. >> =A0 =A0see: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-9P >> =A0scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h0m with 0 errors on Sat Feb 18 08:49:41 2= 012 >> config: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 NAME =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0STATE =A0 =A0 READ WRITE >> CKSUM >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 maxstor =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ONLINE =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 0 >> =A0 =A0 0 >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 gptid/64a30ca9-56ad-11e1-80c4-000024ce7c30 =A0ONLINE= =A0 =A0 =A0 1 =A0 =A0 0 >> =A0 =A0 0 >> >> errors: No known data errors >> [denis@datasink] ~> zpool iostat -v maxstor >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0capacity =A0 =A0 operations >> =A0bandwidth >> pool =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0alloc =A0 free =A0 read =A0write =A0 read >> =A0write >> -------------------------------------- =A0----- =A0----- =A0----- =A0---= -- =A0----- >> =A0----- >> maxstor =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = 1.10M =A0 928G =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0 =A00 =A0 =A0455 >> =A01.11K >> =A0 gptid/64a30ca9-56ad-11e1-80c4-000024ce7c30 =A01.10M =A0 928G =A0 =A0= =A00 =A0 =A0 =A00 >> =A0455 =A01.11K >> -------------------------------------- =A0----- =A0----- =A0----- =A0---= -- =A0----- >> =A0----- > > I know that this sounds bad for the drive, but I cannot find anywhere in = my > logs (/var/log/messages, dmesg, etc) a reference to this supposed > 'unrecoverable error' that the drive has had, and the resilvering *always= * > works. > > I am wondering whether it might not simply be a timeout issue, that is: t= he > drive is taking too long to spin up, which causes a timeout and a read er= ror > to be reported, which then disappears completely once the drive has spun = up. > > Does anybody have a suggestion about how I could go about investigating t= his > issue? =A0Shouldn't there be a log of the 'unrecoverable error' somewhere= ? > > Thank you all, > > Denis > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" The power management settings put your drive to sleep after some time of inactivity. Unfortunately the only way I have found to adjust this is from a windows pc utility. (You can download it from their website) To solve the problem you can export the pool when you don't use it and import it back again. If that is not possible you can schedule a 5 minute cron job to query the status. Regards --=20 George Kontostanos Aicom telecoms ltd http://www.aisecure.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 23:09:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D7F1065674 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthewstory@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C951D8FC17 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbbfa15 with SMTP id fa15so4282105vbb.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of matthewstory@gmail.com designates 10.220.38.10 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.220.38.10; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of matthewstory@gmail.com designates 10.220.38.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=matthewstory@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=matthewstory@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.220.38.10]) by 10.220.38.10 with SMTP id z10mr8984184vcd.48.1329606563158 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:09:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=GqWS3Lpe34CcW0X8s2PTeuXOl0MVt4WiWaOIQFFdt3k=; b=pPV6E28iAyaO/rvr4AqmDMKWj+J1/184TKMZe4FSUtBUNySicOoc436DLUpAfSjwVI FwYE4qr7LpnCNQ0Vj701mDZyztuY/FMvQXSJQ6rNbOrZloVI5CUPCorM8KgizrB8x0mB nEJJZE3xgSNV7HHiCw570c6JdHWNVim/pyPVs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.38.10 with SMTP id z10mr7194167vcd.48.1329606563106; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.21.84 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:09:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218210628.GA33662@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:09:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: Matthew Story To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:09:24 -0000 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > man hier > man 7 hier makes no mention of /home or /usr/home at all ... _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- regards, matt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 23:11:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732D71065670 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413A48FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3Tr6Rw1RlQzxZ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:11:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:10:41 -0500 From: Daniel Staal To: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <718F65932F311804F7DD0E8A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218210628.GA33662@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:11:57 -0000 --As of February 18, 2012 2:46:32 PM -0800, Michael Sierchio is alleged to have said: > man hier --As for the rest, it is mine. ...Doesn't mention /home (or /usr/home) once. ;) Pointing people to the docs which answers their question is good. But please make sure it actually answers their question. Thanks to everyone who has answered. Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 18 23:31:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC82106566B for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:31:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5318FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcwo16 with SMTP id wo16so7599915obc.13 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com designates 10.182.121.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.121.101; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com designates 10.182.121.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kudzu@tenebras.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.182.121.101]) by 10.182.121.101 with SMTP id lj5mr9719028obb.39.1329607918088 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:31:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.121.101 with SMTP id lj5mr8205896obb.39.1329607918022; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.49.164 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:31:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <718F65932F311804F7DD0E8A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> References: <4F3ECF23.5000706@fisglobal.com> <20120217234623.cf7e169c.freebsd@edvax.de> <3D08D03C85ACFBB1ABCDC5DA@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20120218210628.GA33662@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <718F65932F311804F7DD0E8A@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:31:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlCG7oKGnOOuZb7O6t1XdFhC59hHpMYvLx8Zd8SUgkxsQFxQEiADXqn9uqIbKV/lc9HRvPv Subject: Re: /usr/home vs /home (was: Re: One or Four?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:31:59 -0000 On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Daniel Staal wrote: > --As of February 18, 2012 2:46:32 PM -0800, Michael Sierchio is alleged to > have said: > >> man hier True, but /usr/... was a typical place to find users' home directories, since /usr is mounted when the system goes to.... multiuser mode. /home and /usr/home weren't originally featured in UNIX. /usr/kudzu might have been kudzu's home directory, or - in a large installation, before the advent of directory hashing, a scheme like /usr/k/ku/kudzu was used to limit the number of directories in each component of the path.