From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 02:16:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FFC106564A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ED08FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:16:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so1989261ial.13 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:16:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NLEr6yE8yBQMaU35mCrT2KAzocWxdMj8izfomvOG+ew=; b=l378AD3wmW7ckzBVW0gsMzAt5WghIDcQk3UgZOvGCcAt2m8Ee+3lwRp6HCit028lGR qaBkHkVtvK8xT0A5fpTpOTmuJsZPRIqEGqJNjeD9L6lkBYB9DYdZjOhrHX7U3WFVDDyr QoLz7+VaFJgIMswIkZjXzmkrj8cvttCVjgKPObCxzf3FGCF5VvEAOGRFUUM+7LC9g0lv BQhE2ez380hOjI+E7Y/G+6G4GgWzwv1EgHX33S/Q2IFXAwa2pP+8FlydxIfEtisuzHTA RxO/N4i58Tndo8L08tBr6+jIrccyXyBjUwCSf/rQ4Y7fnTNEj62kOHCn+HlBCNEWZbRx Q8aA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.186.131 with SMTP id fk3mr6168120igc.31.1345342569435; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.18.101 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Aug 2012 19:16:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201208181825.33758.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <201208181825.33758.lumiwa@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:16:09 -0500 Message-ID: From: Antonio Olivares To: ajtiM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libxul X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 02:16:11 -0000 On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:25 PM, ajtiM wrote: > Hi! > > There are vulnerabilities in libxul-1.9.2 very long time and looks like > nothing is better. Are there a new libxul version somewhere to download, > please? > > > > portaudit -Fda > auditfile.tbz 100% of 79 kB 316 kBps > New database installed. > Database created: Sat Aug 18 18:15:04 CDT 2012 > Affected package: libxul-1.9.2.28_1 > Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. > Reference: http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/dbf338d0-dce5-11e1- > b655-14dae9ebcf89.html > > Affected package: libxul-1.9.2.28_1 > Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. > Reference: http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/bfecf7c1- > af47-11e1-9580-4061862b8c22.html > > Affected package: libxul-1.9.2.28_1 > Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. > Reference: > http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/380e8c56-8e32-11e1-9580-4061862b8c22.html > > 3 problem(s) in your installed packages found. > > You are advised to update or deinstall the affected package(s) immediately. > Mitja > -------- > http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I was wanting to ask this question for a long time, but you have beaten me to it :) I was going to ask specifically if firefox does depend on libxul that it is necessary? Otherwise, why do we have to see this every time we update our ports? I have seen that there's a configuration option for libxul so that it can install, but using portmaster the option is not the same or not present? Anyone want to take a shot at explaining this never ending libxul-* saga? Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 10:52:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F11E106566B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:52:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212608FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so2272658ial.13 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 03:52:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=sGcXlbRGgmU8CKOGVVuuq1cKHTPgAmhjXV6cxRHn3rI=; b=WqGOjcp3TPVuQO0lrvpPsz+hTZIuKjxS9hSpwY39Z33zbQ5jLt1W7LgxYMEjVnoLEe Xi8i75kr5aNvLC08Q99srrhnFUbSs5569YppoTIOCDKaTHy6pxdrSjdRH4HaVtVik3t4 lgdmDvyJFiqfOOUO8o70qdaxn/uPqMF6vRJYEqYl3q8rjaFSLcorWfwHN7J3A9jaZQuw +lZ7pXxm0akbw0c68XPW0qddvsmvAHYdE7byuZJHvm58oA7t1E6p7UqsY934yUiwkRxJ c165CPcd61miewq1vBFcgv56pRGV2np/ZwDilw8D8zyUbhHyLT3TVBRIo5aI25rbqQN8 vo6Q== Received: by 10.50.100.134 with SMTP id ey6mr6935412igb.4.1345373529474; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 03:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu4sm9826709igc.4.2012.08.19.03.52.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 03:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: ajtiM To: Antonio Olivares Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 05:51:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: <201208181825.33758.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201208190551.59457.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libxul X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 10:52:10 -0000 On Saturday 18 August 2012 21:16:09 Antonio Olivares wrote: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:25 PM, ajtiM wrote: > > Hi! > > > > There are vulnerabilities in libxul-1.9.2 very long time and looks like > > nothing is better. Are there a new libxul version somewhere to download, > > please? > > > > > > > > portaudit -Fda > > auditfile.tbz 100% of 79 kB 316 kBps > > New database installed. > > Database created: Sat Aug 18 18:15:04 CDT 2012 > > Affected package: libxul-1.9.2.28_1 > > Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. > > Reference: http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/dbf338d0-dce5-11e1- > > b655-14dae9ebcf89.html > > > > Affected package: libxul-1.9.2.28_1 > > Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. > > Reference: http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/bfecf7c1- > > af47-11e1-9580-4061862b8c22.html > > > > Affected package: libxul-1.9.2.28_1 > > Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. > > Reference: > > http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/380e8c56-8e32-11e1-9580-4061862b8c22.html > > > > 3 problem(s) in your installed packages found. > > > > You are advised to update or deinstall the affected package(s) > > immediately. Mitja > > -------- > > http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I was wanting to ask this question for a long time, but you have > beaten me to it :) I was going to ask specifically if firefox does > depend on libxul that it is necessary? Otherwise, why do we have to > see this every time we update our ports? I have seen that there's a > configuration option for libxul so that it can install, but using > portmaster the option is not the same or not present? > > Anyone want to take a shot at explaining this never ending libxul-* saga? > > Regards, > > > Antonio I think Firefox doesn't depend but I installled VLC player and VLC Mozilla plugins needs libxul. I used beforeMplayer and Gecko plgins which need libxul too and because that I switched to VLC because I thought that I am "free" of libxul but no. Mitja -------- http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 16:11:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA76D106566C; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E298FC08; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q7JGBUTt044905; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:11:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:11:30 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Gary Aitken In-Reply-To: <20120818120030.D526210657A8@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20120820005007.T33776@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20120818120030.D526210657A8@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0 release hang in quiescent X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:11:43 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 428, Issue 7, Message: 4 On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:51:07 -0600 Gary Aitken wrote: > On 08/16/12 00:04, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > On 16/08/2012 05:45, Gary Aitken wrote: > ... > >> Running 9.0 release on an amd 64 box, standard kernel, 16GB, SSD (/, > >> /usr, /var, /tmp) + HDDs, visiontek 900331 graphics card (ati radeon > >> hd5550). > >> > >> As long as I am using the system, things seem to be fine. However, > >> when I leave the system idle for an extended period of time (e.g. > >> overnight, out for the day, etc.), it often refuses to return from > >> whatever state it is in. The screen is blank and in standby for > >> power saving, and Fn won't get me a console prompt. The > >> only way I know to recover is to power off and reboot. > ... > >> Can someone suggest a good way to proceed to figure out what's going > >> on? > > > > Can you get network access to the machine when it gets into this state? > > I enabled remote logins and when the system hangs, I can neither log > in nor ping it. I can do both of those prior to a hang. Hi Gary. Please wrap text less than 80 columns on freebsd lists; I was going to reply to a later message but it had got too messy. Turned out this one is more useful anyway, so I've taken the liberty .. > > If you can't, that suggests the OS is hanging or crashing, possibly in > > response to going into some sort of power-saving mode. Now we know that you can't, what Matthew says is pretty likely the case. > > As to working out what the underlying cause of the problem is: that's > > harder. I'd try experimenting with the power saving settings for your > > graphics display. If you can turn them off as a test, and the machine > > then survives for an extended period of idleness, you'll have gone a > > long way towards isolating the problem. Have you yet tried turning off any and all power saving settings, until your monitor quits blanking/suspending, and the machine keeps running? The monitor isn't blanking by itself, BIOS suspend & power off settings for screen, disk etc shouldn't affect a running FreeBSD system (but turn them off anyway!) - so we're left with something you've set yourself, presumably via your (which?) window manager, which then has Xorg, using your hardware's particular driver, do the dirty work on the hardware. Just that it's not clear you've yet isolated the main suspect. There's buggy hardware, buggy ACPI/BIOS implementations, buggy video drivers; it makes sense to rule out another hardware problem by leaving video on. > My display, a NEC multisync LCD 1970NX, has a menu item for "Off > Timer" but it is set to "off" As far as I can tell there are no > other power saving options on the display itself. Even if the display failed completely, it won't make FreeBSD crash. > Could this be related to the sync rates? I'm using whatever X.org > and the drivers decided to come up with, which is 63.9kHz H, 59.9Hz > V. Again, that could only mess up the display, FreeBSD wouldn't care, but you've said you can't ping or login so it seems more likely software. > I have the following in rc.conf: > powerd_enable="YES" # Run powerd to lower our power usage. > powerd_flags="-a hiadaptive -n hiadaptive -p 250" Sure. No relation to video; despite people regularly wanting to add such features, it sticks to its one job like a good little unix tool. > I presume screen blanking is independent of cpu frequency rates, but > it's not clear to me how the screen blanking is controlled. How does > screen blanking interact with BIOS? My screen blanks, but it's not > clear to me if it's BIOS or the os that's doing it. Something you set is doing it :) If running say KDE, suspects would include screen'savers' (as many have mentioned), window manager power settings (setting/peripherals/display/powercontrol on kde3), and lastly as Warren mentioned, settings for Xorg itself, in xorg.conf (if any). As for BIOS, well make sure any video messing with is turned off, but except BIOS settings expressed as AML code to ACPI, the OS ignores it. > man acpi indicates acpi should not be disabled: > "Disabling all or part of ACPI on non-i386 platforms (i.e., > platforms where ACPI support is mandatory) may result in a > non-functional system." That's correct. Systems with more than one CPU rely on ACPI, period. Anyway, in the other thread Polytropon has boldly taken on, we see ACPI enabled. [BTW don't worry about those 'reservation failed' messages if not followed by indications of some failed subsystem; they really should only be shown on verbose dmesg IMO, as they tend to alarm people - QED] > On 08/16/12 00:06, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > Are you running any kind of screensaver ? > > Sometimes the OpenGL screen saver modules crash without proper > > hardware support. If you're running a screensaver try disabling it and just > > using display blanking. > > I'm not running a screensaver, just blanking the screen. Yes but how, where, using what software? It's still the main suspect .. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 17:44:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56884106566B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093678FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7JHiHtW010769 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:15 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Subject: user specific xorg.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:44:23 -0000 In attempting to zero in on my system crash problem, I need to customize xorg.conf. As I read the documentation, there is no way for an ordinary user to provide an xorg.conf; Xorg looks for files in the normal server search path, which does not include any user directories -- unless the user is root. Am I missing something? Is this because of the security vulnerabilities in X? gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 17:51:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F60106566B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CB58FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-239-40.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.239.40]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7E22765E; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:51:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7JHpIET002807; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:51:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:51:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-Id: <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> References: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: user specific xorg.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:51:27 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:15 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > In attempting to zero in on my system crash problem, > I need to customize xorg.conf. > As I read the documentation, > there is no way for an ordinary user to provide an xorg.conf; > Xorg looks for files in the normal server search path, > which does not include any user directories -- > unless the user is root. What if you do (as a user) the "startx" command and try to hand the -config to the program, like this: % Xorg -file /home/user/test/xorg.conf I haven't tried that myself, but according to "man Xorg" this option does exist. However, I'm not sure if xinit or startx honors this option if you use them (to make use of ~/.xinitrc). > Am I missing something? > Is this because of the security vulnerabilities in X? A valid consideration. With a malfunctioning X server, you can easily crash a system. That's why a user should not be able to have access to such files. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 18:11:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FFF106564A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:11:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72CE8FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7JHwxjJ079838 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:58:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7JHwxNJ079835 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:58:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com X-X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <201208190551.59457.lumiwa@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <201208181825.33758.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201208190551.59457.lumiwa@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: libxul X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:11:19 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012, ajtiM wrote: > On Saturday 18 August 2012 21:16:09 Antonio Olivares wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:25 PM, ajtiM wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> There are vulnerabilities in libxul-1.9.2 very long time and looks like >>> nothing is better. Are there a new libxul version somewhere to download, >>> please? >>> >>> >>> >>> portaudit -Fda >>> auditfile.tbz 100% of 79 kB 316 kBps >>> New database installed. >>> Database created: Sat Aug 18 18:15:04 CDT 2012 >>> Affected package: libxul-1.9.2.28_1 >>> Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. >>> Reference: http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/dbf338d0-dce5-11e1- >>> b655-14dae9ebcf89.html >>> >>> Affected package: libxul-1.9.2.28_1 >>> Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. >>> Reference: http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/bfecf7c1- >>> af47-11e1-9580-4061862b8c22.html >>> >>> Affected package: libxul-1.9.2.28_1 >>> Type of problem: mozilla -- multiple vulnerabilities. >>> Reference: >>> http://portaudit.FreeBSD.org/380e8c56-8e32-11e1-9580-4061862b8c22.html >>> >>> 3 problem(s) in your installed packages found. >>> >>> You are advised to update or deinstall the affected package(s) >>> immediately. Mitja >>> -------- >>> http://jpgmag.com/people/lumiwa >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> I was wanting to ask this question for a long time, but you have >> beaten me to it :) I was going to ask specifically if firefox does >> depend on libxul that it is necessary? Otherwise, why do we have to >> see this every time we update our ports? I have seen that there's a >> configuration option for libxul so that it can install, but using >> portmaster the option is not the same or not present? >> >> Anyone want to take a shot at explaining this never ending libxul-* saga? >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Antonio > > I think Firefox doesn't depend but I installled VLC player and VLC Mozilla > plugins needs libxul. I used beforeMplayer and Gecko plgins which need libxul > too and because that I switched to VLC because I thought that I am "free" of > libxul but no. > Mitja I have: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0 thunderbird-9.0 xfce-4.8 xdm-1.1.11 xorg-7.5.1 with no libxul. You can find the 'offending' port by either using pkg_tree or pkg_info -rRx libxul. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 18:38:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34CD106566C for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4475A8FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Aug 2012 18:38:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 19 Aug 2012 14:38:33 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+G14UhXBWGt6GeeBW7LXoP1S6Xvd9ITdJo+rG7Ge D0r6G2/X7Ba6Aq Message-ID: <503132A6.9030906@mail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:38:30 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: user specific xorg.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:38:40 -0000 On 08/19/2012 20:51, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:15 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >> In attempting to zero in on my system crash problem, >> I need to customize xorg.conf. >> As I read the documentation, >> there is no way for an ordinary user to provide an xorg.conf; >> Xorg looks for files in the normal server search path, >> which does not include any user directories -- >> unless the user is root. > What if you do (as a user) the "startx" command and try > to hand the -config to the program, like this: > > % Xorg -file /home/user/test/xorg.conf > > I haven't tried that myself, but according to "man Xorg" > this option does exist. However, I'm not sure if xinit > or startx honors this option if you use them (to make > use of ~/.xinitrc). > > > >> Am I missing something? >> Is this because of the security vulnerabilities in X? > A valid consideration. With a malfunctioning X server, you > can easily crash a system. That's why a user should not be > able to have access to such files. > > Gary, why do you need user-specific xorg.conf? By default, there's no xorg.conf file, so if you generate one and put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, your file will be used instead of the default options. And before putting the file there, you can test it, as suggested in the Manual: X -config /root/xorg.conf.new -retro From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 18:57:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D55106566C for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A728FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:49 +0200 From: vermaden To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 X-Originating-IP: 95.41.114.23 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1345401229; bh=BDeIJ8RnnPlp4jpzff+BFbuiHzWPtn36Gerk4qymY10=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:Message-Id: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TLjqUwOMPWnLIPEblMfGwQuVMxLUPqvuLafLxC8XmgLipX151wRtVNJmBhgondBpD FCXfrC1/XnrwAXDekaO6xtOIjZ3afQuJsV8KP1uFPHozmdr8+HgNG4YwSWED+pMcKm R6JTYq7SNFyhY7HEWE+8S7tY6JPd48sWUM5nm7+Q= Subject: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:57:01 -0000 HI, OpenBSD seems to have packages for everything, even for LAME (audio/lame), why FreeBSD can not provide package for LAME the same way as OpenBSD does? Regards, vermaden --=20 ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 19:08:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7E1106566C for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08818FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7JJ86m8071022; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7JJ86II071019; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:08:06 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: user specific xorg.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:08:12 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:15 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >> In attempting to zero in on my system crash problem, >> I need to customize xorg.conf. >> As I read the documentation, >> there is no way for an ordinary user to provide an xorg.conf; >> Xorg looks for files in the normal server search path, >> which does not include any user directories -- >> unless the user is root. > > What if you do (as a user) the "startx" command and try > to hand the -config to the program, like this: > > % Xorg -file /home/user/test/xorg.conf > > I haven't tried that myself, but according to "man Xorg" > this option does exist. However, I'm not sure if xinit > or startx honors this option if you use them (to make > use of ~/.xinitrc). I think that should be % Xorg -config /home/user/test/xorg.conf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 19:39:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9521B106566B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C638FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-239-40.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.239.40]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A0C3CAF5; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:38:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7JJcsWs003069; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:38:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:38:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: vermaden Message-Id: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:39:02 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:49 +0200, vermaden wrote: > HI, > > OpenBSD seems to have packages for everything, even > for LAME (audio/lame), why FreeBSD can not provide > package for LAME the same way as OpenBSD does? j00 CAN haz pakagez. =^_^= Packages for _everything_ is impossible because of the many options that may or MAY NOT fit your needs, so things have to be set at compile time. Just imagine how many different packages you would have to host for OpenOffice! In the past, "pkg_add -r de-openoffice" would have given you a full-featured german version of OpenOffice, even including a dictionary. Today, it's not that easy anymore. There are also ports that draw a massive slew of dependencies. Some of them are of minor importance, like documentation that urges you to install LaTeX. If that's the default the package has been created from, installing it will bring teTeX to your system too, even if _you_ don't need it. Also consider programs like mplayer that can have a lot of codecs. Because it's illegal in the U.S. to listen to MP3, those may not be included. :-) Okay, you get the idea: There may apply "shipping restrictions". If I remember correctly, there has been such an issue for lame in the past, but I thought that it would have been resolved. When trying "make package", it was not possible, and there also was not package for use with pkg_add. You _had_ to compile it yourself because the terms of use told so. The ports collections has a specific field in Makefile that gives you information about such issues: RESTRICTED= patent issues, see http://www.mp3licensing.com/ So if OpenBSD serves a lame package (I mean a package containing lame), you should ask them in how far they have an agreement that allows them to do so, in comparison to what patent issues prohibit doing the same on FreeBSD. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 20:11:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A2A106566B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2868FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3BqE-0006wp-SD for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:11:22 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:11:22 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:11:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> <503132A6.9030906@mail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Re: user specific xorg.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:11:30 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:38:30 +0300, Jeff Tipton wrote: > On 08/19/2012 20:51, Polytropon wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:15 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >>> In attempting to zero in on my system crash problem, >>> I need to customize xorg.conf. >>> As I read the documentation, >>> there is no way for an ordinary user to provide an xorg.conf; >>> Xorg looks for files in the normal server search path, >>> which does not include any user directories -- >>> unless the user is root. >> What if you do (as a user) the "startx" command and try to hand the >> -config to the program, like this: >> >> % Xorg -file /home/user/test/xorg.conf >> >> I haven't tried that myself, but according to "man Xorg" this option >> does exist. However, I'm not sure if xinit or startx honors this option >> if you use them (to make use of ~/.xinitrc). >> >> >> >>> Am I missing something? >>> Is this because of the security vulnerabilities in X? >> A valid consideration. With a malfunctioning X server, you can easily >> crash a system. That's why a user should not be able to have access to >> such files. >> >> > Gary, why do you need user-specific xorg.conf? Presumably because he doesn't have root privileges. Duh. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 20:25:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F307A106566B; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6188FC0A; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7JKPLO4011205; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:25:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50314BB0.2010501@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:25:20 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Smith References: <20120818120030.D526210657A8@hub.freebsd.org> <20120820005007.T33776@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20120820005007.T33776@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0 release hang in quiescent X X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:25:24 -0000 On 08/19/12 10:11, Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 428, Issue 7, Message: 4 > On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:51:07 -0600 Gary Aitken wrote: > > On 08/16/12 00:04, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > On 16/08/2012 05:45, Gary Aitken wrote: > > ... > > >> Running 9.0 release on an amd 64 box, standard kernel, 16GB, SSD (/, > > >> /usr, /var, /tmp) + HDDs, visiontek 900331 graphics card (ati radeon > > >> hd5550). > > >> > > >> As long as I am using the system, things seem to be fine. However, > > >> when I leave the system idle for an extended period of time (e.g. > > >> overnight, out for the day, etc.), it often refuses to return from > > >> whatever state it is in. The screen is blank and in standby for > > >> power saving, and Fn won't get me a console prompt. The > > >> only way I know to recover is to power off and reboot. > > ... > > >> Can someone suggest a good way to proceed to figure out what's going > > >> on? > > > > > > Can you get network access to the machine when it gets into this state? > > > > I enabled remote logins and when the system hangs, I can neither log > > in nor ping it. I can do both of those prior to a hang. > > Hi Gary. Please wrap text less than 80 columns on freebsd lists; I was > going to reply to a later message but it had got too messy. Turned out > this one is more useful anyway, so I've taken the liberty .. will do. Wasn't sure what was considered the right thing to do, as I regularly get messages which when quoted run out as single lines. > > > As to working out what the underlying cause of the problem is: that's > > > harder. I'd try experimenting with the power saving settings for your > > > graphics display. If you can turn them off as a test, and the machine > > > then survives for an extended period of idleness, you'll have gone a > > > long way towards isolating the problem. > > Have you yet tried turning off any and all power saving settings, until > your monitor quits blanking/suspending, and the machine keeps running? Doing that test now. > The monitor isn't blanking by itself, BIOS suspend & power off settings > for screen, disk etc shouldn't affect a running FreeBSD system (but turn > them off anyway!) - so we're left with something you've set yourself, > presumably via your (which?) window manager, which then has Xorg, using > your hardware's particular driver, do the dirty work on the hardware. I'm currently using xfce4. > Just that it's not clear you've yet isolated the main suspect. There's > buggy hardware, buggy ACPI/BIOS implementations, buggy video drivers; it > makes sense to rule out another hardware problem by leaving video on. ... > Something you set is doing it :) If running say KDE, suspects would > include screen'savers' (as many have mentioned), window manager power > settings (setting/peripherals/display/powercontrol on kde3), and lastly > as Warren mentioned, settings for Xorg itself, in xorg.conf (if any). It appears the screen blanking is a result of xorg's default 10 min BlankTime default, which I've turned off. I found this reference to possible issues with memory hole remapping, which I will also check into: http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20110131214116581&board_id=1&model=M4A89TD+PRO%2fUSB3&page=1&SLanguage=en-us That actually seems more likely to be the problem Many thanks for your explanations Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 20:38:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7632D106566B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:38:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2223C8FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7JKcFJa011233; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50314EB5.9040900@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:38:13 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: user specific xorg.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:38:22 -0000 Combining a couple of responses into one to cut down traffic... On 08/19/12 11:51, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:15 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >> In attempting to zero in on my system crash problem, >> I need to customize xorg.conf. >> As I read the documentation, >> there is no way for an ordinary user to provide an xorg.conf; >> Xorg looks for files in the normal server search path, >> which does not include any user directories -- >> unless the user is root. > > What if you do (as a user) the "startx" command and try > to hand the -config to the program, like this: > > % Xorg -file /home/user/test/xorg.conf > > I haven't tried that myself, but according to "man Xorg" > this option does exist. However, I'm not sure if xinit > or startx honors this option if you use them (to make > use of ~/.xinitrc). According to the man page: "This option will work for any file when the server is run as root (i.e, with real-uid 0), or for files relative to a directory in the config search path for all other users." The config search path only includes system directories, not user directories. Again, I think that is for security reasons, but I'm not certain. On 08/19/12 12:38, Jeff Tipton wrote: > Gary, why do you need user-specific xorg.conf? > By default, there's no xorg.conf file, > so if you generate one and put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, > your file will be used instead of the default options. > And before putting the file there, you can test it, > as suggested in the Manual: > > X -config /root/xorg.conf.new -retro I wanted a user-specific xorg.conf for test purposes. The server already generated one when I first installed it, IIRC. In general, I'd prefer to leave default generated stuff alone, as it's easy to screw up and edit the wrong thing, not save the original, not properly comment mods to the file, etc. However, in this case it looks like I'll have to tweak the global file. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 20:54:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71398106564A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:54:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43E68FC0C for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:54:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:54:52 +0200 From: vermaden To: Polytropon X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Originating-IP: 95.41.114.23 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1345409692; bh=BY1wCS+I4KP+f4bMkOOxFlwHskOKMcl0jbayRhaiZ+E=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:References: X-Originating-IP:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kQwjV6xkOAcSbdgmQFCyd8R3wv0GKkVKdFUlNbC8KYa1+DXr9pUoaDV0D2Kiaqf9z qBbUkXDJLMaxjaqVoM3WPgN0tRjlfsI3NpR1AWMkPnCscpshU7VCbSZSvcAMr4+QVo 3ize5DuhuqDOyw5J5jbD1zXPOM6nWRceloofKAjY= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:54:54 -0000 Hai ;) "Polytropon" : > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:49 +0200, vermaden wrote: > > HI, > >=20 > > OpenBSD seems to have packages for everything, even > > for LAME (audio/lame), why FreeBSD can not provide > > package for LAME the same way as OpenBSD does? >=20 > j00 CAN haz pakagez. =3D^_^=3D >=20 > Packages for _everything_ is impossible because of the many > options that may or MAY NOT fit your needs, so things have > to be set at compile time. Just imagine how many different > packages you would have to host for OpenOffice! >=20 > In the past, "pkg_add -r de-openoffice" would have given > you a full-featured german version of OpenOffice, even > including a dictionary. Today, it's not that easy anymore. The OpenBSD team serves these 'complicated' packages by using *flavours* and *subpackages*, packages or their parts compiled with different options, its described in the OpenBSD FAQ here: http://openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html | 15.2.3 - Finding packages |=20 | (...) |=20 | You will notice that certain packages are available in a | few different varieties, formally called flavors. Others | are pieces of the same application which may be | installed separately. They are called subpackages. | This will be detailed further in Using flavors and | subpackages but flavor basically means they are | configured with different sets of options. Currently, | many packages have flavors, for example: database | support, support for systems without X, or network | additions like SSL and IPv6. Every flavor of a package | will have a different suffix in its package name. For | detailed information about package names, please | refer to packages-specs(7). =20 > There are also ports that draw a massive slew of dependencies. > Some of them are of minor importance, like documentation that > urges you to install LaTeX. If that's the default the package > has been created from, installing it will bring teTeX to your > system too, even if _you_ don't need it. >=20 > Also consider programs like mplayer that can have a lot of > codecs. Because it's illegal in the U.S. to listen to MP3, > those may not be included. :-) >=20 > Okay, you get the idea: There may apply "shipping restrictions". > If I remember correctly, there has been such an issue for lame > in the past, but I thought that it would have been resolved. > When trying "make package", it was not possible, and there > also was not package for use with pkg_add. You _had_ to compile > it yourself because the terms of use told so. >=20 > The ports collections has a specific field in Makefile that > gives you information about such issues: >=20 > RESTRICTED=3D patent issues, see http://www.mp3licensing.com/ >=20 > So if OpenBSD serves a lame package (I mean a package containing > lame), you should ask them in how far they have an agreement that > allows them to do so, in comparison to what patent issues prohibit > doing the same on FreeBSD. The OpenBSD port from here: http://openports.se/audio/lame Has its description of LAME as a *educational* tool, maybe that is the reason why they provide package for LAME: | LAME is an educational tool to be used for learning about MP3 | encoding. The goal of the LAME project is to improve the psycho | acoustics, quality and speed of MP3 encoding. My buddy has sent email to OpenBSD LAME port maintainer with question why they can distribute that without concerns, I will let You know if he gets the answer. Regards, vermaden > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 21:01:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1AB106566B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:01:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2928FC14 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-239-40.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.239.40]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E963CACC; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:01:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7JL1JGo003295; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:01:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:01:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-Id: <20120819230119.c6030dad.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50314EB5.9040900@dreamchaser.org> References: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> <50314EB5.9040900@dreamchaser.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: user specific xorg.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:01:22 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:38:13 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > Combining a couple of responses into one to cut down traffic... > > On 08/19/12 11:51, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:15 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> In attempting to zero in on my system crash problem, > >> I need to customize xorg.conf. > >> As I read the documentation, > >> there is no way for an ordinary user to provide an xorg.conf; > >> Xorg looks for files in the normal server search path, > >> which does not include any user directories -- > >> unless the user is root. > > > > What if you do (as a user) the "startx" command and try > > to hand the -config to the program, like this: > > > > % Xorg -file /home/user/test/xorg.conf > > > > I haven't tried that myself, but according to "man Xorg" > > this option does exist. However, I'm not sure if xinit > > or startx honors this option if you use them (to make > > use of ~/.xinitrc). > > According to the man page: > "This option will work for any file when the server is run as root > (i.e, with real-uid 0), > or for files relative to a directory in the config search > path for all other users." > The config search path only includes system directories, not user directories. Read: "config search path". In my interpretation, this applies to _path names_ in where config files (default name: xorg.conf) will be searched. This does _not_ contradict to explicitely naming a _file_ as in: % X -config /home/someuser/test/xorg.conf It could also be possible to give the file a totally different name. However, the X server might refuse to use that file. You could easily try it. I have prefixed the example with "%" indicating that this command could be executed from a user (non-root) terminal, just the same way you would usually call % xinit or the % startx script to benefit from the ~/.xinitrc startup file. Also you could try to add the -config option to the two commands mentioned. I haven't looked into their specific implementation on if and how they will allow X parameters to be included. > Again, I think that is for security reasons, but I'm not certain. Primarily it is, but also about complexity. Imagine the X server would scan the whole (!) directory structure, beginning in /, to find a valid configuration file... > On 08/19/12 12:38, Jeff Tipton wrote: > > Gary, why do you need user-specific xorg.conf? > > By default, there's no xorg.conf file, > > so if you generate one and put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, > > your file will be used instead of the default options. > > And before putting the file there, you can test it, > > as suggested in the Manual: > > > > X -config /root/xorg.conf.new -retro > > I wanted a user-specific xorg.conf for test purposes. > The server already generated one when I first installed it, IIRC. No. The server can generate a file that is then typically placed as /root/xorg.conf.new which you'd have to copy to /etc/X11/ in order to have further X starts recognize and use it (in case you are _not_ explicitely calling the X server with the config file at the location in /root). If the X server does not find a xorg.conf file, it will run without one. That should be fine in 99% of all cases. Still there are reasons you intendedly want a xorg.conf file. In my opinion, the example I mentioned above should be fine for testing. If you agree with the final result, you can then install it into the server's default location mentioned at the top. > In general, I'd prefer to leave default generated stuff alone, > as it's easy to screw up and edit the wrong thing, > not save the original, not properly comment mods to the file, etc. In that case, put the file under version control. (I use CVS for that kind of stuff.) > However, in this case it looks like I'll have to tweak the global file. _Finally_ you can do this, but try (!) with the idea I mentioned at the beginning of this message. As I haven't tested it, I cannot tell you if it works, but I _assume_ that it should work. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 21:20:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DA2106566B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D74D8FC14 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:20:10 +0200 From: vermaden To: Polytropon X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Originating-IP: 95.41.114.23 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1345411210; bh=t4560+YxtII1uYrht3OGar1yLcoYzt5iIc6Qr2jHY7A=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:References: X-Originating-IP:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ncm/TV1EHDsfDlCUZKQ3DpHTiN9dzPgyd6w6ZSMIqQsHznccbvaQWItjoIKLxRaf5 z5OlpwSgRChTo9nZH83pvmPvb7/CCV27ryDP9mzPZJTp1hXSG/C/KuRdXSzZYF2cxb BI3iYfgsEb5MaOIyASvOIz3bXBxRDahJ20TvTNNs= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:20:11 -0000 ... I even got a screenshot of how these *flavours* and *subpackages* work, here: http://ompldr.org/vZjV2bQ "Polytropon" pisze: > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:49 +0200, vermaden wrote: > > HI, > >=20 > > OpenBSD seems to have packages for everything, even > > for LAME (audio/lame), why FreeBSD can not provide > > package for LAME the same way as OpenBSD does? >=20 > j00 CAN haz pakagez. =3D^_^=3D >=20 > Packages for _everything_ is impossible because of the many > options that may or MAY NOT fit your needs, so things have > to be set at compile time. Just imagine how many different > packages you would have to host for OpenOffice! >=20 > In the past, "pkg_add -r de-openoffice" would have given > you a full-featured german version of OpenOffice, even > including a dictionary. Today, it's not that easy anymore. >=20 > There are also ports that draw a massive slew of dependencies. > Some of them are of minor importance, like documentation that > urges you to install LaTeX. If that's the default the package > has been created from, installing it will bring teTeX to your > system too, even if _you_ don't need it. >=20 > Also consider programs like mplayer that can have a lot of > codecs. Because it's illegal in the U.S. to listen to MP3, > those may not be included. :-) >=20 > Okay, you get the idea: There may apply "shipping restrictions". > If I remember correctly, there has been such an issue for lame > in the past, but I thought that it would have been resolved. > When trying "make package", it was not possible, and there > also was not package for use with pkg_add. You _had_ to compile > it yourself because the terms of use told so. >=20 > The ports collections has a specific field in Makefile that > gives you information about such issues: >=20 > RESTRICTED=3D patent issues, see http://www.mp3licensing.com/ >=20 > So if OpenBSD serves a lame package (I mean a package containing > lame), you should ask them in how far they have an agreement that > allows them to do so, in comparison to what patent issues prohibit > doing the same on FreeBSD. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... >=20 --=20 ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 21:27:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2301065673 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374B28FC15 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-239-40.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.239.40]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9813CB90; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:27:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7JLRsk2003367; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:27:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:27:54 +0200 From: Polytropon To: vermaden Message-Id: <20120819232754.641a7eb2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:27:56 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:54:52 +0200, vermaden wrote: > "Polytropon" : > > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:49 +0200, vermaden wrote: > > > HI, > > > > > > OpenBSD seems to have packages for everything, even > > > for LAME (audio/lame), why FreeBSD can not provide > > > package for LAME the same way as OpenBSD does? > > > > j00 CAN haz pakagez. =^_^= > > > > Packages for _everything_ is impossible because of the many > > options that may or MAY NOT fit your needs, so things have > > to be set at compile time. Just imagine how many different > > packages you would have to host for OpenOffice! > > > > In the past, "pkg_add -r de-openoffice" would have given > > you a full-featured german version of OpenOffice, even > > including a dictionary. Today, it's not that easy anymore. > > The OpenBSD team serves these 'complicated' packages > by using *flavours* and *subpackages*, packages or their > parts compiled with different options, its described in the > OpenBSD FAQ here: http://openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html > > | 15.2.3 - Finding packages > | > | (...) > | > | You will notice that certain packages are available in a > | few different varieties, formally called flavors. Others > | are pieces of the same application which may be > | installed separately. They are called subpackages. > | This will be detailed further in Using flavors and > | subpackages but flavor basically means they are > | configured with different sets of options. Currently, > | many packages have flavors, for example: database > | support, support for systems without X, or network > | additions like SSL and IPv6. Every flavor of a package > | will have a different suffix in its package name. For > | detailed information about package names, please > | refer to packages-specs(7). Interesting. That should work for packages with not so many options. Opera has, if I remember correctly, 4 options, resulting in tons of different dependencies; mplayer has more options than you can fit on one screen (while we assume the screen has 24 or 25 lines). It's an easy task to calculate for a package with n options, each can be set or not set, how many packages would have to be built and served. :-) I just assume providing packages for every imaginable combination requires lots of resources. As an example take OpenOffice: Every language variant, then integration with KDE, Gnome, or none of them, and printing support (I think). That would be many hours of compiling, and lots of storage space needed (note: current _and_ older packages are needed, plus supported architectures). > > There are also ports that draw a massive slew of dependencies. > > Some of them are of minor importance, like documentation that > > urges you to install LaTeX. If that's the default the package > > has been created from, installing it will bring teTeX to your > > system too, even if _you_ don't need it. > > > > Also consider programs like mplayer that can have a lot of > > codecs. Because it's illegal in the U.S. to listen to MP3, > > those may not be included. :-) > > > > Okay, you get the idea: There may apply "shipping restrictions". > > If I remember correctly, there has been such an issue for lame > > in the past, but I thought that it would have been resolved. > > When trying "make package", it was not possible, and there > > also was not package for use with pkg_add. You _had_ to compile > > it yourself because the terms of use told so. > > > > The ports collections has a specific field in Makefile that > > gives you information about such issues: > > > > RESTRICTED= patent issues, see http://www.mp3licensing.com/ > > > > So if OpenBSD serves a lame package (I mean a package containing > > lame), you should ask them in how far they have an agreement that > > allows them to do so, in comparison to what patent issues prohibit > > doing the same on FreeBSD. > > The OpenBSD port from here: http://openports.se/audio/lame > > Has its description of LAME as a *educational* tool, maybe that is > the reason why they provide package for LAME: > > | LAME is an educational tool to be used for learning about MP3 > | encoding. The goal of the LAME project is to improve the psycho > | acoustics, quality and speed of MP3 encoding. > > My buddy has sent email to OpenBSD LAME port maintainer with > question why they can distribute that without concerns, I will let > You know if he gets the answer. That's really a good reason to avoid the restriction. I think some specific kind of agreement has to be made to have this declaration take effect and allow packaging the software. There are other ports that don't have equivalents on FreeBSD. A good example is Java. While I think it's possible to package the software (the "make package" command), the current vendor or Java (no idea who is it today) forces you do manually download the sources and put them into /usr/ports/distfiles, requiring you to interactively agree with their terms of use. Now keep working harder and carry a towel. =^_^= -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 21:45:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329121065672 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C8F8FC08 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7JLjTer011414; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50315E78.6090603@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:45:28 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> <50314EB5.9040900@dreamchaser.org> <20120819230119.c6030dad.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120819230119.c6030dad.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:45:29 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: user specific xorg.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:45:36 -0000 On 08/19/12 15:01, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:38:13 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >> Combining a couple of responses into one to cut down traffic... >> >> On 08/19/12 11:51, Polytropon wrote: >>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:15 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >>>> In attempting to zero in on my system crash problem, >>>> I need to customize xorg.conf. >>>> As I read the documentation, >>>> there is no way for an ordinary user to provide an xorg.conf; >>>> Xorg looks for files in the normal server search path, >>>> which does not include any user directories -- >>>> unless the user is root. >>> >>> What if you do (as a user) the "startx" command and try >>> to hand the -config to the program, like this: >>> >>> % Xorg -file /home/user/test/xorg.conf >>> >>> I haven't tried that myself, but according to "man Xorg" >>> this option does exist. However, I'm not sure if xinit >>> or startx honors this option if you use them (to make >>> use of ~/.xinitrc). >> >> According to the man page: >> "This option will work for any file when the server is run as root >> (i.e, with real-uid 0), >> or for files relative to a directory in the config search >> path for all other users." >> The config search path only includes system directories, not user directories. > > Read: "config search path". In my interpretation, this applies > to _path names_ in where config files (default name: xorg.conf) > will be searched. This does _not_ contradict to explicitely > naming a _file_ as in: > > % X -config /home/someuser/test/xorg.conf > > It could also be possible to give the file a totally different > name. However, the X server might refuse to use that file. You > could easily try it. I have prefixed the example with "%" indicating > that this command could be executed from a user (non-root) terminal, > just the same way you would usually call > > % xinit > > or the > > % startx > > script to benefit from the ~/.xinitrc startup file. Also you > could try to add the -config option to the two commands mentioned. > I haven't looked into their specific implementation on if and how > they will allow X parameters to be included. I thought about that path vs file distinction; looks like my original interpretation was correct: %startx -- -config ~/xorg.conf Fatal server error: Invalid argument for -config For non-root users, the file specified with -config must be a relative path and must not contain any ".." elements. Using default xorg.conf search path. Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.x.org for help. xinit: giving up xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused xinit: server error >> Again, I think that is for security reasons, but I'm not certain. > > Primarily it is, but also about complexity. Imagine the X server > would scan the whole (!) directory structure, beginning in /, to > find a valid configuration file... I assumed if no user directories were in the search path, you would have to specify a complete path, not a relative one. I never expected it to search all possible paths. I was surprised to see that no user directories are in the default path, but upon reflection decided it was probably because of security concerns. >> On 08/19/12 12:38, Jeff Tipton wrote: >>> Gary, why do you need user-specific xorg.conf? >>> By default, there's no xorg.conf file, >>> so if you generate one and put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, >>> your file will be used instead of the default options. >>> And before putting the file there, you can test it, >>> as suggested in the Manual: >>> >>> X -config /root/xorg.conf.new -retro >> >> I wanted a user-specific xorg.conf for test purposes. >> The server already generated one when I first installed it, IIRC. > > No. The server can generate a file that is then typically > placed as /root/xorg.conf.new which you'd have to copy to > /etc/X11/ in order to have further X starts recognize and > use it (in case you are _not_ explicitely calling the X server > with the config file at the location in /root). Bad memory on my part for what occurred when I originally installed. IIRC remapped to IRI (I recalled incorrectly...) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 22:32:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D14A106566B for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:32:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antonintessier@live.fr) Received: from dub0-omc4-s6.dub0.hotmail.com (dub0-omc4-s6.dub0.hotmail.com [157.55.2.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEE38FC14 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DUB109-W140 ([157.55.2.71]) by dub0-omc4-s6.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:31:40 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [93.182.219.16] From: antonin tessier To: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:31:40 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2012 22:31:40.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[66FC2750:01CD7E5A] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:32:49 -0000 Hi=2C I have a problem when I try to build my own kernel. I had never got such a = one=3B here is my kernel configuration file and the building errors that it= makes. "#device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # BSD-style compatibility pseudo ttys device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) #device firmware # firmware assist module # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support options USB_DEBUG # enable debug msgs device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) #device xhci # XHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 3.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices (needs netgr= aph) device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" #device ukbd # Keyboard #device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and d= a device ums # Mouse #device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player # USB Serial devices #device u3g # USB-based 3G modems (Option=2C Huawei=2C = Sierra) #device uark # Technologies ARK3116 based serial adapter= s #device ubsa # Belkin F5U103 and compatible serial adapt= ers #device uftdi # For FTDI usb serial adapters #device uipaq # Some WinCE based devices #device uplcom # Prolific PL-2303 serial adapters #device uslcom # SI Labs CP2101/CP2102 serial adapters #device uvisor # Visor and Palm devices #device uvscom # USB serial support for DDI pocket's PHS # USB Ethernet=2C requires miibus #device aue # ADMtek USB Ethernet #device axe # ASIX Electronics USB Ethernet #device cdce # Generic USB over Ethernet #device cue # CATC USB Ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB Ethernet #device rue # RealTek RTL8150 USB Ethernet #device udav # Davicom DM9601E USB # USB Wireless #device rum # Ralink Technology RT2501USB wireless NICs #device run # Ralink Technology RT2700/RT2800/RT3000 NI= Cs. #device uath # Atheros AR5523 wireless NICs #device upgt # Conexant/Intersil PrismGT wireless NICs. #device ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs device urtw # Realtek RTL8187B/L wireless NICs #device zyd # ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b wireless NICs # FireWire support #device firewire # FireWire bus code # sbp(4) works for some systems but causes boot failure on others #device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da= ) #device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!) #device fwip # IP over FireWire (RFC 2734=2C3146) #device dcons # Dumb console driver #device dcons_crom # Configuration ROM for dcons # Sound support device sound # Generic sound driver (required) #device snd_cmi # CMedia CMI8338/CMI8738 #device snd_csa # Crystal Semiconductor CS461x/428x #device snd_emu10kx # Creative SoundBlaster Live! and Audigy #device snd_es137x # Ensoniq AudioPCI ES137x device snd_hda # Intel High Definition Audio device snd_ich # Intel=2C NVidia and other ICH AC'97 Audio #device snd_uaudio # USB Audio device snd_via8233 # VIA VT8233x Audio" "# make kernel KERNCONF=3DGOLLUM MAKE=3Dmake sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh GOLLUM cc -c -O2 -frename-registers -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -march=3Dnative -st= d=3Dc99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -W= missing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-point= er-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-opti= on -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -D= HAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit= =3D8000 --param inline-unit-growth=3D100 --param large-function-growth=3D10= 00 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=3Dkernel -mno-red-zone -mno-mmx -mno-s= se -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -fstack-pro= tector -Werror vers.c linking kernel.debug rt2560.o: In function `rt2560_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2560.c:2011: undefined reference to `ether_ioctl' rt2661.o: In function `rt2661_load_microcode': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2661.c:2564: undefined reference to `firmware_put' /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2661.c:2524: undefined reference to `firmware_get' /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2661.c:2564: undefined reference to `firmware_put' rt2661.o: In function `rt2661_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2661.c:1749: undefined reference to `ether_ioctl' rt2860.o: In function `rt2860_load_microcode': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:3897: undefined reference to `firmware_get' /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:3931: undefined reference to `firmware_put' /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:3931: undefined reference to `firmware_put' rt2860.o: In function `rt2860_newassoc': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:859: undefined reference to `ether_sprintf' rt2860.o: In function `rt2860_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:2057: undefined reference to `ether_ioctl' if_urtw.o: In function `urtw_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/wlan/if_urtw.c:1402: undefined reference to `ether_ioc= tl' if.o: In function `if_setlladdr': /usr/src/sys/net/if.c:3313: undefined reference to `arp_ifinit' if_gif.o: In function `gif_input': /usr/src/sys/net/if_gif.c:587: undefined reference to `bridge_input_p' /usr/src/sys/net/if_gif.c:594: undefined reference to `ether_demux' if_llatbl.o: In function `lla_rt_output': /usr/src/sys/net/if_llatbl.c:384: undefined reference to `arprequest' if_vlan.o: In function `vlan_modevent': /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:711: undefined reference to `vlan_input_p' /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:738: undefined reference to `vlan_input_p' if_vlan.o: In function `vlan_clone_destroy': /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:988: undefined reference to `ether_ifdetach' if_vlan.o: In function `vlan_clone_create': /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:949: undefined reference to `ether_ifattach' /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:966: undefined reference to `ether_ifdetach' if_vlan.o: In function `vlan_transmit': /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:1072: undefined reference to `ether_vlanencap' ieee80211.o: In function `ieee80211_vap_detach': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211.c:586: undefined reference to `ether_ifdeta= ch' ieee80211.o: In function `ieee80211_vap_attach': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211.c:540: undefined reference to `ether_ifatta= ch' ieee80211_adhoc.o: In function `adhoc_newstate': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_adhoc.c:216: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_adhoc.o: In function `adhoc_input': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_adhoc.c:624: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_crypto.o: In function `ieee80211_crypto_setkey': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_crypto.c:494: undefined reference to `ether= _sprintf' ieee80211_crypto_wep.o: In function `wep_encrypt': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_crypto_wep.c:359: undefined reference to `e= ther_sprintf' ieee80211_hostap.o: In function `hostap_newstate': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_hostap.c:305: undefined reference to `ether= _sprintf' ieee80211_hostap.o:/usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_hostap.c:847: more undef= ined references to `ether_sprintf' follow ieee80211_ioctl.o: In function `ieee80211_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_ioctl.c:3353: undefined reference to `arp_i= finit' /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_ioctl.c:3391: undefined reference to `ether= _ioctl' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_newstate': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:675: undefined reference to `ether_s= printf' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_input': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:1266: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_send_action_meshlink_reply': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:2145: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_send_action_meshlink_request': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:2106: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_send_action_meshpeering_close': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:2057: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_mesh.o:/usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:1990: more undefine= d references to `ether_sprintf' follow in.o: In function `in_scrubprefix': /usr/src/sys/netinet/in.c:1131: undefined reference to `arp_ifscrub' in.o: In function `in_ifinit': /usr/src/sys/netinet/in.c:936: undefined reference to `useloopback' in.o: In function `in_lltable_prefix_free': /usr/src/sys/netinet/in.c:1394: undefined reference to `arpstat' vesa.o: In function `vesa_configure': /usr/src/sys/dev/fb/vesa.c:1164: undefined reference to `vesa_load_ioctl' vesa.o: In function `vesa_unload': /usr/src/sys/dev/fb/vesa.c:1931: undefined reference to `vesa_unload_ioctl' *** [kernel.debug] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GOLLUM. " Thank you=2C Gollum. =20 = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 23:42:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05810106564A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:42:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C328FC18 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3F8q-0007BF-18 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:42:48 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.96.198]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:42:48 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 01:42:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:43:14 -0400 Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:42:51 -0000 antonin tessier wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a problem when I try to build my own kernel. I had never got such a > one; here is my kernel configuration file and the building errors that it > makes. > [snip] > > "# make kernel KERNCONF=GOLLUM > > MAKE=make sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh GOLLUM > > Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GOLLUM. " I have snipped out content for brevity; rather let's focus on evidence of incorrect procedure on your part. While there still exists 2 ways of accomplishing this, the so-called "new" method is standard. An example of how to do this can be found contained within a commented out section in the beginning of /usr/src/Makefile. While this information is on how to completely rebuild/update the entire system from source, the commands to build and install a new kernel are present. Please note the following: make buildkernel KERNCONF=somekernelfilename make installkernel KERNCONF=somekernelfilename You are on almost the right track but you are referencing above incorrect paths to this kernel config process. For an i386 box/install your kernel config file would be located in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf and for a 64-bit amd64 install this location is /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf. The best way to begin with customising a kernel is to simply copy the GENERIC config you will find in the conf directory mentioned (whichever is your box - i386 or amd64) to something like, for example, GOLLUM. Then cd to /usr/src and perform the above described commands. Hints: Prior to attempting to rebuild again cd to /usr/obj and delete anything under /usr/obj. There will exist here content left over from the previous failed attempt. Keep in mind whenever you install a new kernel your present kernel (and its matching modules) get moved to kernel.old. What this means is that the GENERIC you have with a base install will be moved to kernel.old and can be used in the event the new kernel won't boot. Realize this: after the next rebuild process this kernel.old will be replaced _again_. In which case you might now have 2 broken kernels with not an easy way to recover. This is just some generic stuff to try and get you back on track. I would recommend an extended reading of the Handbook, as all of these instructions are present there. Hope this halps. :-) -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 00:11:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EDF106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B468FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593EE3CB77; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:11:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7K0Bauv003971; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:11:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:11:36 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-Id: <20120820021136.20722408.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50315E78.6090603@dreamchaser.org> References: <503125EF.1020500@dreamchaser.org> <20120819195118.00427f87.freebsd@edvax.de> <50314EB5.9040900@dreamchaser.org> <20120819230119.c6030dad.freebsd@edvax.de> <50315E78.6090603@dreamchaser.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: user specific xorg.conf? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:11:41 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:45:28 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 08/19/12 15:01, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 14:38:13 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> Combining a couple of responses into one to cut down traffic... > >> > >> On 08/19/12 11:51, Polytropon wrote: > >>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:44:15 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > >>>> In attempting to zero in on my system crash problem, > >>>> I need to customize xorg.conf. > >>>> As I read the documentation, > >>>> there is no way for an ordinary user to provide an xorg.conf; > >>>> Xorg looks for files in the normal server search path, > >>>> which does not include any user directories -- > >>>> unless the user is root. > >>> > >>> What if you do (as a user) the "startx" command and try > >>> to hand the -config to the program, like this: > >>> > >>> % Xorg -file /home/user/test/xorg.conf > >>> > >>> I haven't tried that myself, but according to "man Xorg" > >>> this option does exist. However, I'm not sure if xinit > >>> or startx honors this option if you use them (to make > >>> use of ~/.xinitrc). > >> > >> According to the man page: > >> "This option will work for any file when the server is run as root > >> (i.e, with real-uid 0), > >> or for files relative to a directory in the config search > >> path for all other users." > >> The config search path only includes system directories, not user directories. > > > > Read: "config search path". In my interpretation, this applies > > to _path names_ in where config files (default name: xorg.conf) > > will be searched. This does _not_ contradict to explicitely > > naming a _file_ as in: > > > > % X -config /home/someuser/test/xorg.conf > > > > It could also be possible to give the file a totally different > > name. However, the X server might refuse to use that file. You > > could easily try it. I have prefixed the example with "%" indicating > > that this command could be executed from a user (non-root) terminal, > > just the same way you would usually call > > > > % xinit > > > > or the > > > > % startx > > > > script to benefit from the ~/.xinitrc startup file. Also you > > could try to add the -config option to the two commands mentioned. > > I haven't looked into their specific implementation on if and how > > they will allow X parameters to be included. > > I thought about that path vs file distinction; > looks like my original interpretation was correct: > > %startx -- -config ~/xorg.conf > Fatal server error: > > Invalid argument for -config > For non-root users, the file specified with -config must be > a relative path and must not contain any ".." elements. > Using default xorg.conf search path. > > Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support > at http://wiki.x.org > for help. > > xinit: giving up > xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused > xinit: server error Interesting. Your path ~/xorg.conf does not contain ".." elements. Have you tried specifying a full path (e. g. one containing your username, just in case ~ could not be properly resolved)? > >> Again, I think that is for security reasons, but I'm not certain. > > > > Primarily it is, but also about complexity. Imagine the X server > > would scan the whole (!) directory structure, beginning in /, to > > find a valid configuration file... > > I assumed if no user directories were in the search path, > you would have to specify a complete path, not a relative one. > I never expected it to search all possible paths. > I was surprised to see that no user directories are in the default path, > but upon reflection decided it was probably because of security concerns. How could it be possible to have user directories in the _default_ search path when X doesn't know which users actually have an account on the system, and where their home directories are located? However, when we can assume that # X -config /root/xorg.conf.new works, we could assume that # X -config /home/foo/xorg.conf could also work. This example shows running X directly as root. The next step would be to login as "foo" and then performing % X -config /home/foo/xorg.conf from the "foo" user account. Again to take the error message > For non-root users, the file specified with -config must be > a relative path and must not contain any ".." elements. > Using default xorg.conf search path. into account: If ~/xorg.conf (where ~ equals /home/foo) is considered _not_ being a relative path, how about % X -config ./xorg.conf or even % X -config xorg.conf bein executed when the current directory is /home/foo - here the requirements "relative directory" and "no .." are met by omitting any path elements. Finally, if you're going to experiment with X, do it with using /etc/X11/xorg.conf. You can easily maintain different versions of the file and then using a symlink to indicate which one you want to try. So you can "switch back" to previous versions. For example, you have xorg.conf;1 xorg.conf;2 xorg.conf;3 xorg.conf;4 xorg.conf;5 xorg.conf;6 xorg.conf;7 and a symlink xorg.conf@ -> xorg.conf;6 points to the version you want to use. I know this looks stupid, but it works. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 00:59:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8E2106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:59:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FCE8FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6C5D7E814E3; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 17:59:26 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20120820005926.GA13613@thought.org> References: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120819232754.641a7eb2.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120819232754.641a7eb2.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 26 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: vermaden , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:59:33 -0000 On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:27:54PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:27:54 +0200 > From: Polytropon > Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? > To: vermaden > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) > > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:54:52 +0200, vermaden wrote: > > "Polytropon" : > > > On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:33:49 +0200, vermaden wrote: > > > > HI, > > > > > > > > OpenBSD seems to have packages for everything, even > > > > for LAME (audio/lame), why FreeBSD can not provide > > > > package for LAME the same way as OpenBSD does? > > > > > > j00 CAN haz pakagez. =^_^= > > > > > > Packages for _everything_ is impossible because of the many > > > options that may or MAY NOT fit your needs, so things have > > > to be set at compile time. Just imagine how many different > > > packages you would have to host for OpenOffice! > > > > > > In the past, "pkg_add -r de-openoffice" would have given > > > you a full-featured german version of OpenOffice, even > > > including a dictionary. Today, it's not that easy anymore. > > > > The OpenBSD team serves these 'complicated' packages > > by using *flavours* and *subpackages*, packages or their > > parts compiled with different options, its described in the > > OpenBSD FAQ here: http://openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html > > > > | 15.2.3 - Finding packages > > | > > | (...) > > | > > | You will notice that certain packages are available in a > > | few different varieties, formally called flavors. Others > > | are pieces of the same application which may be > > | installed separately. They are called subpackages. > > | This will be detailed further in Using flavors and > > | subpackages but flavor basically means they are > > | configured with different sets of options. Currently, > > | many packages have flavors, for example: database > > | support, support for systems without X, or network > > | additions like SSL and IPv6. Every flavor of a package > > | will have a different suffix in its package name. For > > | detailed information about package names, please > > | refer to packages-specs(7). > > Interesting. That should work for packages with not so > many options. Opera has, if I remember correctly, 4 options, > resulting in tons of different dependencies; mplayer has > more options than you can fit on one screen (while we > assume the screen has 24 or 25 lines). It's an easy task > to calculate for a package with n options, each can be > set or not set, how many packages would have to be built > and served. :-) > > I just assume providing packages for every imaginable > combination requires lots of resources. As an example > take OpenOffice: Every language variant, then integration > with KDE, Gnome, or none of them, and printing support > (I think). That would be many hours of compiling, and > lots of storage space needed (note: current _and_ older > packages are needed, plus supported architectures). > > > > > > There are also ports that draw a massive slew of dependencies. > > > Some of them are of minor importance, like documentation that > > > urges you to install LaTeX. If that's the default the package > > > has been created from, installing it will bring teTeX to your > > > system too, even if _you_ don't need it. > > > > > > Also consider programs like mplayer that can have a lot of > > > codecs. Because it's illegal in the U.S. to listen to MP3, > > > those may not be included. :-) > > > > > > Okay, you get the idea: There may apply "shipping restrictions". > > > If I remember correctly, there has been such an issue for lame > > > in the past, but I thought that it would have been resolved. > > > When trying "make package", it was not possible, and there > > > also was not package for use with pkg_add. You _had_ to compile > > > it yourself because the terms of use told so. > > > > > > The ports collections has a specific field in Makefile that > > > gives you information about such issues: > > > > > > RESTRICTED= patent issues, see http://www.mp3licensing.com/ > > > > > > So if OpenBSD serves a lame package (I mean a package containing > > > lame), you should ask them in how far they have an agreement that > > > allows them to do so, in comparison to what patent issues prohibit > > > doing the same on FreeBSD. > > > > The OpenBSD port from here: http://openports.se/audio/lame > > > > Has its description of LAME as a *educational* tool, maybe that is > > the reason why they provide package for LAME: > > > > | LAME is an educational tool to be used for learning about MP3 > > | encoding. The goal of the LAME project is to improve the psycho > > | acoustics, quality and speed of MP3 encoding. > > > > My buddy has sent email to OpenBSD LAME port maintainer with > > question why they can distribute that without concerns, I will let > > You know if he gets the answer. > > That's really a good reason to avoid the restriction. I think > some specific kind of agreement has to be made to have this > declaration take effect and allow packaging the software. > > There are other ports that don't have equivalents on FreeBSD. > A good example is Java. While I think it's possible to > package the software (the "make package" command), the > current vendor or Java (no idea who is it today) forces > you do manually download the sources and put them into > /usr/ports/distfiles, requiring you to interactively > agree with their terms of use. > > > > Now keep working harder and carry a towel. =^_^= > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... All of the above argumentation is why I have decided to goto "the dark side." im tired of ubuntu 12.04 chewing up >> 1.30 load while doing [abs] nothing, so before the guy I am hiring to come over and install a new KVM, I WIll likely switch to the free clone of redhat. but at least linux is just about push-button to upgrade. I spent nearly three months last spring to get my 7.3 up to date. --there were ==still== about four ports that would not build! So after 17 years, it's best wishes and im moving on. years ago we [FBSD] had a sponsor of some kind. I forget who, but they went belly-up or just quit on us. [???] I never was that much of a capitalist--and esp'ly not after three years of "consulting" until I found a REAL job. Nevertheless, it seems to me that having a backer would save us. I guess it boils downto this: either spent some N hours of work weekly in keeping this current -- (plus K hours between versions). or find a sponsor. or buy a mac. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 03:15:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AF0106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:15:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from gw19.lax01.mailroute.net (lax-gw19.mailroute.net [199.89.0.119]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEED08FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gw19.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EB3140673E; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:08:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from gw19.lax01.mailroute.net ([199.89.0.119]) by localhost (gw19.lax01.mailroute.net.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id hUSyJo2XxkBq; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:08:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by gw19.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEA31406720; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:08:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E2FC93C33; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:07:58 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Polytropon References: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120819232754.641a7eb2.freebsd@edvax.de> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.19.11.16; tzolkin = 10 Cib; haab = 19 Yaxkin Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:07:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20120819232754.641a7eb2.freebsd@edvax.de> (Polytropon's message of "Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:27:54 +0200") Message-ID: <86k3wuw99t.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: vermaden , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:15:15 -0000 >>>>> "Polytropon" == Polytropon writes: Polytropon> I just assume providing packages for every imaginable Polytropon> combination requires lots of resources. As an example Polytropon> take OpenOffice: Every language variant, then integration Polytropon> with KDE, Gnome, or none of them, and printing support Polytropon> (I think). That would be many hours of compiling, and Polytropon> lots of storage space needed (note: current _and_ older Polytropon> packages are needed, plus supported architectures). Indeed. Which is why I gave up on packages long ago. Learn. To. Compile. Embrace your local cc. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 05:38:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8484106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5543E8FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.local (host109-151-154-120.range109-151.btcentralplus.com [109.151.154.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7K5ceC9022243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:38:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q7K5ceC9022243 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q7K5ceC9022243; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host host109-151-154-120.range109-151.btcentralplus.com [109.151.154.120] claimed to be seedling.local Message-ID: <5031CD59.9080103@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:38:33 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Randal L. Schwartz" References: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120819232754.641a7eb2.freebsd@edvax.de> <86k3wuw99t.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> In-Reply-To: <86k3wuw99t.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3B54202CCD7ED7B3DD44EA0D" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: vermaden , Polytropon , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:38:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3B54202CCD7ED7B3DD44EA0D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20/08/2012 04:07, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Polytropon" =3D=3D Polytropon writes: >=20 >=20 > Polytropon> I just assume providing packages for every imaginable > Polytropon> combination requires lots of resources. As an example > Polytropon> take OpenOffice: Every language variant, then integration > Polytropon> with KDE, Gnome, or none of them, and printing support > Polytropon> (I think). That would be many hours of compiling, and > Polytropon> lots of storage space needed (note: current _and_ older > Polytropon> packages are needed, plus supported architectures). >=20 > Indeed. >=20 > Which is why I gave up on packages long ago. >=20 > Learn. To. Compile. >=20 > Embrace your local cc. :) >=20 Well, I hope there is some sort of happy medium between the level of package support in FreeBSD at the moment, and compiling everything from source. That's what the pkgng project hopes to achieve anyhow. On the question of supporting flavours and sub-packages: yes, this will be absolutely necessary. Even so, it won't provide /all/ the flexibility that compiling your own does, but it should target the most commonly used combinations of options. I always keep saying the ideal situation would be that you could customise and compile just your own really mission critical software and freely mix that with installing pre-compiled packages of anything else from the public repositories. Note that sub-packages is effectively a way of reducing the number of options in many ports: a lot of the time options enable/disable compiling additional bits of software or adding/removing various files from the resulting packages, but those files could just as easily be supplied as a sub-package. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig3B54202CCD7ED7B3DD44EA0D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAxzWAACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxpwgCdHbWO6s1BwQrx7A/B45lZbd3t cDwAnRWYn7SRnP4vpF1gAzxoWDgTukoS =sjzj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3B54202CCD7ED7B3DD44EA0D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 09:47:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2E1106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from piloyder@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B188FC12 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so3118600ial.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:47:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rT0BhSE7YJ13JVpZsryfxOPwQwu9alE5pS9RjQIZbMk=; b=QxPHEngyD56R48sh93byR3shBm3tuSNHZWnofxwOtsvmVXzGKPOXdm9IRZd8UHpFq9 atfxVxCqNaqVaoFjRgwDEYsYptN6h4lraxI3BCHbhLJ8nZgvRtnG2hpcrimMZxg8FG4t X+ZIbk0KigSgr0mpnV4ztsVFTJdRykt7Isb87fhci3dIXyDeaF1oL9DbdkVggYpxT5ee 07d5NwKnYjZi1epYj1oocgroh+eIkYQNwfvvetzkPqmBv+ufyMO4v2PMI2maHRpSKgns e1tzBC8L5rJ53NWBmU4fHkOXa2KfNZS/Tgpl+ie+72vxdby5MSHNoHSOpmH5Ln5QZtMH JzJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.109.194 with SMTP id m2mr7546939icp.48.1345456024491; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.45.2 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 02:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:47:04 +0400 Message-ID: From: Denis To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:47:05 -0000 Hi, I have FreeBSD 9.0 (p4) with custom kernel. "uname -i" says it: HOMEWIFI90 However, when I run "freebsd-update fetch" command it would like to update my kernel as well: freebsd-update fetch Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 9.0-RELEASE from update5.FreeBSD.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. Preparing to download files... done. The following files are affected by updates, but no changes have been downloaded because the files have been modified locally: /var/db/mergemaster.mtree The following files will be updated as part of updating to 9.0-RELEASE-p4: /boot/kernel/kernel /boot/kernel/kernel.symbols What is wrong with it? If I'm not mistaken, this problem first appeared in 9.0-RELEASE-p2, before this everything worked fine. How can I fix this error? Best regards, Pi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 10:06:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACA81065700 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from axelbsd@ymail.com) Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB9268FC1A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [217.146.183.215] by nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 10:03:59 -0000 Received: from [77.238.184.74] by tm8.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 10:03:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp143.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2012 10:03:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1345457039; bh=Opz+lovCEvZJY07m2DEVDX7vKyfqMpXk28pbnuBBTiQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Received:In-Reply-To:References:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject:To:Cc:Content-Type; b=Jx9r4MEeMJAcL8rh4TqFwhUUON2akrq5qwIkmJk3yBpt4Y2oX2rrFQ7wITTFBIN8LoyOhziz17pUN4YUphWWm9cjR4x7kuU8hUFcGX/A6NpNtDKIgwMc/16ifj+WBNjf4vAVg6kvgspObNS+9etj3BT9fuHeNVmcopZ+Vr9LTys= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 286272.55700.bm@smtp143.mail.ukl.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: LhxQhYcVM1nQUI1yZPu9JSKbphBvkUBKQcnKAr7iqblEfma PjPHydzi7SwRRlG5exMzEOcbUgkfok2zBE24UmcHqdL8o9EwquKqN6GHZ7_P CdwbiPWT83rs2wLx4Pz.atuR4rMcXePbc_Am80y8iF_SJDUGX1az74_.glNK A4Eh7lTY7LWvpdhRTThb2NIV6Q0x.NP.vSDCK05ZMDNT1GQ0oUalZ9qcXZ_L Ws_XTZ60OqRwWOiW4lQE8MWynWOvODNyJ0aNqpFvHCnH1L0DUSfu15_36.Qo vFcGRXBjOLowLLv8p_6OMZjifJ5tuDuadcFdKj3m2h7mS760hSlrs_n9XsN1 dMws0VO7nJBz0vyI7o_N2H6ytYLWJdtkfbElksSDW11zJtTa55ZhCKmY6.Vc qo79R2bESPv.oPMZJwaEy6S_zgmdIfVr4zFcpFaty36pKOIh1kb21XRxr X-Yahoo-SMTP: S65s63SswBDjU54Gjqw2GSWlZmfgiEU_X3tN1_9u Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (axelbsd@209.85.217.182 with plain) by smtp143.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2012 10:03:59 +0000 GMT Received: by lbbgg13 with SMTP id gg13so225137lbb.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.43.67 with SMTP id u3mr5910601lbl.16.1345457038422; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:03:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.23.102 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:03:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Alexandre Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:03:38 +0200 Message-ID: To: Denis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:06:30 -0000 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Denis wrote: > Hi, > > I have FreeBSD 9.0 (p4) with custom kernel. > > "uname -i" says it: > HOMEWIFI90 > > However, when I run "freebsd-update fetch" command it would like to > update my kernel as well: > > freebsd-update fetch > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. > Fetching metadata signature for 9.0-RELEASE from update5.FreeBSD.org... > done. > Fetching metadata index... done. > Inspecting system... done. > Preparing to download files... done. > > The following files are affected by updates, but no changes have > been downloaded because the files have been modified locally: > /var/db/mergemaster.mtree > > The following files will be updated as part of updating to 9.0-RELEASE-p4: > /boot/kernel/kernel > /boot/kernel/kernel.symbols > > What is wrong with it? If I'm not mistaken, this problem first > appeared in 9.0-RELEASE-p2, before this everything worked fine. > How can I fix this error? > > Best regards, > Pi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi Denis, Have you rebuilt your custom kernel after ? This is described in the Handbook in the section 25.2.2 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html Regards, Alexandre From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 10:37:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A5B106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from piloyder@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928718FC14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr13 with SMTP id r13so5958383ghr.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:37:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=tHEqFzzRvuLq7Knm1BtyNUdtgb7OjyacThQUgIO6E1Q=; b=fmqzagVReBLpewtcJPLudXKBwNoMOLmyEc8cf5w8S5FTgy8/5L6vEM3vLjEUyWHIYD p53cIwPb0jZj7lSjSlEcGP5rm/1WYU72+jNyszpJIFay1Y4eH/1Uhl+f1vGRvjqLUcMq y9+wj3f3e+w31c6Qm+ctbN/H0pqwjRP5wJaOiDXsTyv+RBh1UkKHY0IJIpKb7eKOpr3k hvXYmkYSEkBIXzjY9QNdeDyM0wWow+7EsE8UnI35olzqLlNLnaly3pdMGA2h8aEsJigf DfhVjmUryeBA9SMDS/Ft06WFqZ4REVemgxJMj6/kNswIxWOwV1iqAvJ/t+4i29Ajlmud 5Wig== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.149.134 with SMTP id ua6mr9293758igb.11.1345459060528; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.45.2 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:37:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:37:40 +0400 Message-ID: From: Denis To: Alexandre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:37:42 -0000 Hi Alexandre, > Have you rebuilt your custom kernel after ? > This is described in the Handbook in the section 25.2.2 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html Yes, I rebuilt my custom kernel after. But this doesn't help - every time I run "freebsd-update fetch" it suugest me to update kernel and kernel.symbols. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o25sm28912836yhm.14.2012.08.20.05.11.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3X0v4k0yVJz2CG68 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:11:17 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120820081117.7039e739@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnI/I7wHlx7ogo2jB+yVS95fcJ5HJtKEOwaz46bWspI9l8aH9sl9RWfW5x1/8FT54Zw7ATx Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:11:22 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 19:43:14 -0400 Michael Powell articulated: {snip} > Keep in mind whenever you install a new kernel your present kernel > (and its matching modules) get moved to kernel.old. What this means > is that the GENERIC you have with a base install will be moved to > kernel.old and can be used in the event the new kernel won't boot. > Realize this: after the next rebuild process this kernel.old will be > replaced _again_. In which case you might now have 2 broken kernels > with not an easy way to recover. I inquired several years ago about the possibility of changing the renaming format into something like: "kernel_##_YY-MM-DD.old". The "##" would be incremented with each successive build on a given day. I thought it would alleviate just the sort of problem you are referring to and would make it easier to revert to a specific kernel if required. I never received even a single response so I guess it was not a well received concept. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ “I believe if life gives you lemons make lemonade… then find someone that life gave vodka to and have a party.†From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 12:22:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DAC1065672; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FEB8FC0A; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F962481E; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:22:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7KCMjnK002085; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:22:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:22:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthew Seaman Message-Id: <20120820142245.7d4830dc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5031CD59.9080103@FreeBSD.org> References: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120819232754.641a7eb2.freebsd@edvax.de> <86k3wuw99t.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <5031CD59.9080103@FreeBSD.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:22:48 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:38:33 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > I always keep saying the ideal > situation would be that you could customise and compile just your own > really mission critical software and freely mix that with installing > pre-compiled packages of anything else from the public repositories. To be honest, that's what I'm doing for many years now. I tend to compile only those ports where it is either required in order to obtain the software because no suitable package does exist (e. g. OpenOffice), or because I intendedly want to have access to compile-time options (e. g. mplayer), which can also apply when specific optimization is needed in order to get something into a usable state on older hardware. For everything else, packages are fine. Mixing those forms (and maybe assuming that ports can be either handled by the native "make method" or one of the port management tools such as portmaster) is possible. Of course you have to think first, then do, but I assume it's not needed mentioning. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 12:27:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BD31065686 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:27:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE59B8FC14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD90123F97; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:27:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7KCRtcb002092; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:27:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:27:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Denis Message-Id: <20120820142755.573029da.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Alexandre Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:27:57 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:37:40 +0400, Denis wrote: > Hi Alexandre, > > > Have you rebuilt your custom kernel after ? > > This is described in the Handbook in the section 25.2.2 > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html > > Yes, I rebuilt my custom kernel after. But this doesn't help - every > time I run "freebsd-update fetch" it suugest me to update kernel and > kernel.symbols. Then why not follow my suggestion of _letting_ freebsd-update update the kernel, but _use_ a different one instead which it won't touch? In /boot/loader.conf: kernel="mykernel" bootfile="/boot/mykernel/kernel" Now freebsd-update can happily alter the default kernel without affecting yours. Note that this implies that _you_ have to take care of kernel changes and recompiling if needed. I know, it's just a workaround and doesn't address the problem directly, but it should get you away from any related trouble. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 12:41:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995DB106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from piloyder@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6001A8FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so3243880ial.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mGDXIyqtAjIXGc5/R3P75DzhSdigvIOLw2vn8aXbung=; b=iMsEK0UYGvGFzT6w2ZR4yYt1i+U3oAgtbC2pIlhaBaUmpyRPSlr64dhNSoyr3VlYv0 HvzFUogCvA39k2Aqvg4CiuSK7Mz2pp7R00Z2P9eNXW1xYuxNNQL/FYUrhVBBukNaCSwT 1alnlzMWqN3sWfYZmBgVHiN3OedPy7PIRvxjzHXXobcgol7XzV6XoWybsULoENS1TGaC a377jFo/812BNN2H0TrIfuYfppAAA73yN663o7YkG3kVNkRmw8W/m65SOXzrA4W0FXPV LWm0u+SZuASSlnABMynm3+e8gWMxvBJ9HB0DTsphw1Q3MU8pZtw+bpBK5QVtTQ/6VdNR 9dcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.109.194 with SMTP id m2mr7894987icp.48.1345466516601; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.45.2 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:41:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120820142755.573029da.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120820142755.573029da.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:41:56 +0400 Message-ID: From: Denis To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:41:57 -0000 > Then why not follow my suggestion of _letting_ freebsd-update > update the kernel, but _use_ a different one instead which it > won't touch? In /boot/loader.conf: > > kernel="mykernel" > bootfile="/boot/mykernel/kernel" > > Now freebsd-update can happily alter the default kernel without > affecting yours. Note that this implies that _you_ have to take > care of kernel changes and recompiling if needed. > > I know, it's just a workaround and doesn't address the problem > directly, but it should get you away from any related trouble. Yes, I saw your advice, and will follow it. The main idea - may be I missed something and there will be an easy fix to my problem. I want to make sure that the problem exists, and I'm not the only person faced with this error. And also I have a small hope that problem will be fixed by freebsd team :-). Best regards, Denis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 12:56:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3584B106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:56:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCEF8FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbbgg13 with SMTP id gg13so316986lbb.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:56:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7qbE248wtN5CM4aaj7x6JTK46JttIFf5DO51ym7B/Kc=; b=B2X/8Q7Umi6q1L7Ysf+6IUwv2PSKNttPt1UUYPDPcB/gSEKFehucf9rH0kqJiHrMRu GdjQCSW29vSuVA0MDC7+3R/1gd3sNUWoN5fFbptJOtr8SZde2Xq/ZrObYqlsAoMfwN2j YHU9wL01rH2/W2EDTiW4jyi2AKI9Elplf41YOmxXDF8v6af5dG463ZhdiNvPx2vTgYf+ ihdesYIePCmo5wRYvpPVlHeotDWc+bNc7JYbovN4sZHGBdNlCTqHsqL2/2BJ9JuQiV/d fj1C3vHltc9j18vdJneyXsPCrBl2IDNPv9zkV84iSsy2oLgr7rVRZUjGaZi0pJaiaNho i5DQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.83.35 with SMTP id n3mr2089968lby.68.1345467380072; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.19.226 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 05:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:56:20 +0300 Message-ID: From: Alexander Kapshuk To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: re: adding Mercurial CA Certificates X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:56:22 -0000 How do I add an CA Certificate for Mercurial on FreeBSD please? :; uname -a FreeBSD box2 9.0-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE-p4 #0: Fri Aug 17 21:53:39 EEST 2012 root@box2:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 :; pkg_info -xc mercurial | sed 1q Information for mercurial-2.3: Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 13:13:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F050E106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD2D8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KDDjtv029228 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:13:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KDDiqV029227 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:13:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:13:44 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820131344.GA6963@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:13:54 -0000 == Michael Powell wrote on Sun 19.Aug'12 at 19:43:14 -0400 == > Keep in mind whenever you install a new kernel your present kernel (and its > matching modules) get moved to kernel.old. What this means is that the > GENERIC you have with a base install will be moved to kernel.old and can be > used in the event the new kernel won't boot. Realize this: after the next > rebuild process this kernel.old will be replaced _again_. In which case you > might now have 2 broken kernels with not an easy way to recover. Very good point! I'd clear the /usr/src/obj directory as pointed out, then build a generic kenel, install it and boot from it. Then you know you've got a working kernel to fall back on. At that point rebuild your custom kernel with correct commands as pointed out in the previous response by Michael; i.e. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL` ... etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 13:16:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D911065672 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA078FC1A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KDGWSJ029250 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:16:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KDGWYI029249 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:16:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:16:32 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820131632.GB6963@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120820081117.7039e739@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120820081117.7039e739@scorpio> x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:16:35 -0000 == Jerry wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 8:11:17 -0400 == > I inquired several years ago about the possibility of changing the > renaming format into something like: "kernel_##_YY-MM-DD.old". The "##" > would be incremented with each successive build on a given day. I > thought it would alleviate just the sort of problem you are referring > to and would make it easier to revert to a specific kernel if required. > I never received even a single response so I guess it was not a well > received concept. I think it's a valid and idiot-proof suggestion; however, the handbook information regarding building custom kernels is pretty clear. The steps are not difficult to understand if you ask me. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 13:20:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B5E106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:20:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740758FC14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B85427A6E; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:20:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7KDKKl2002305; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:20:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:20:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jamie Paul Griffin Message-Id: <20120820152020.fbe1ff20.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120820131344.GA6963@kontrol.kode5.net> References: <20120820131344.GA6963@kontrol.kode5.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:20:22 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:13:44 +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > == Michael Powell wrote on Sun 19.Aug'12 at 19:43:14 -0400 == > > > Keep in mind whenever you install a new kernel your present kernel (and its > > matching modules) get moved to kernel.old. What this means is that the > > GENERIC you have with a base install will be moved to kernel.old and can be > > used in the event the new kernel won't boot. Realize this: after the next > > rebuild process this kernel.old will be replaced _again_. In which case you > > might now have 2 broken kernels with not an easy way to recover. > > Very good point! I'd clear the /usr/src/obj directory as pointed out, > then build a generic kenel, install it and boot from it. Then you > know you've got a working kernel to fall back on. You could then make a copy of that kernel, e. g. from its initial installation location /boot/kernel to /boot/kernel.GENERIC. If you continue building a custom kernel, /boot/kernel will be overwritten. In worst case, you can unload your custom kernel at the loader prompt, load kernel.GENERIC instead and boot the system with that definitely working kernel. > At that point rebuild your custom kernel with correct commands > as pointed out in the previous response by Michael; i.e. > `make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL` ... etc. Again, I may point to The FreeBSD Handbook, the section regarding building world and kernel, as well as the instructions in the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile. Following those advices should be easy and provide you with a procedure that reliably works. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 13:46:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174AA106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B434F8FC18 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2012 09:46:30 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BXQ40244; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:46:30 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Neutral identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 20 Aug 2012 09:46:30 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20530.16310.145421.540487@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:46:30 -0400 To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20120820152020.fbe1ff20.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120820131344.GA6963@kontrol.kode5.net> <20120820152020.fbe1ff20.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Jamie Paul Griffin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:46:39 -0000 Polytropon writes: > > Very good point! I'd clear the /usr/src/obj directory as pointed out, > > then build a generic kenel, install it and boot from it. Then you > > know you've got a working kernel to fall back on. > > You could then make a copy of that kernel, e. g. from its initial > installation location /boot/kernel to /boot/kernel.GENERIC. Before doing this, make sure you have enough space on /. On my -CURRENT system, /boot/kernel uses ~300 mb and /boot/modules another 35; I created / with 2 gb in part so it could hold multiple kernels. Running out of space on / is a Really Bad Idea(tm). Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 13:52:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915D91065674 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:52:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFAB8FC19 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861AB3CA03; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:52:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7KDqPaE002762; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:52:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:52:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Huff Message-Id: <20120820155225.56919a1f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20530.16310.145421.540487@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20120820131344.GA6963@kontrol.kode5.net> <20120820152020.fbe1ff20.freebsd@edvax.de> <20530.16310.145421.540487@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jamie Paul Griffin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:52:28 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:46:30 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > > Polytropon writes: > > > > Very good point! I'd clear the /usr/src/obj directory as pointed out, > > > then build a generic kenel, install it and boot from it. Then you > > > know you've got a working kernel to fall back on. > > > > You could then make a copy of that kernel, e. g. from its initial > > installation location /boot/kernel to /boot/kernel.GENERIC. > > Before doing this, make sure you have enough space on /. On my > -CURRENT system, /boot/kernel uses ~300 mb and /boot/modules another > 35; I created / with 2 gb in part so it could hold multiple kernels. > Running out of space on / is a Really Bad Idea(tm). Excellent advice. I'd like to add "man src.conf" and maybe tweaking /etc/make.conf to adjust kernel and world builds for the case that more control over what should be built and installed is desired, such as omitting debug symbols, the exclusion of certain modules and so on. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 14:09:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3371065670 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EC88FC1B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3SfT-0000Be-HG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:09:25 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:09:23 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:09:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 49 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:09:26 -0000 Hi, here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on Linux developments: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 Reader Comments "1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39 GMT from France) Much has been said on the subject of Systemd. Let me quote Eric Hameleers, one of Slackware's developers. "[...] systemd is essentially evil. It is invasive, extremely hostile to other environments, threatening to kill non-Linux ecosystems which have hal, udev, dbus, consolekit, polkit, udisks, upower and friends as dependencies. And every iteration of the software written by the Redhat employees who are responsible for hal, udev, consiolekit, polkit and now systemd are incompatible with previous releases, re-implementing their bad ideas with new bad ideas... basically proving that these Redhat employees must be declared unfit to work on the core of a Linux distro. However, the influence of their employer is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX community and at some point it will be "assimilate or die". I hope we (Slackware) will find a way where we do not have to assimilate but still manage to keep the distro working. I have high hopes for KDE which has no Redhat ties and so far, manages to stay clear of this mess, sticking to widely accepted standards." Cheers from a Slackware user." For those of you who are unfamiliar - systemd is a replacement for SysV, LSB, and Upstart init subsystem scripts. Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?) they are aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?). On my FreeBSD machine: $ ls /var/db/pkg/ ... hal-0.5.14_19/ dbus-1.4.14_i3/ consolekit-0.4.3/ polkit-0.99/ upower-0.9.7/ ... Also, once again I refer to Linux-related ports in *BSD ecosystem http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linux&stype=all and warn against becoming entangled in affairs of Linux ecosystem. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 14:37:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A001065670 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C168FC18 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KEbIE3029673 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:37:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KEbIsF029672 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:37:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:37:18 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820143718.GA29643@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120819213854.50408ec7.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120819232754.641a7eb2.freebsd@edvax.de> <86k3wuw99t.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <5031CD59.9080103@FreeBSD.org> <20120820142245.7d4830dc.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120820142245.7d4830dc.freebsd@edvax.de> x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: I Can Has Packages? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:37:21 -0000 == Polytropon wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 14:22:45 +0200 == > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 06:38:33 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > I always keep saying the ideal > > situation would be that you could customise and compile just your own > > really mission critical software and freely mix that with installing > > pre-compiled packages of anything else from the public repositories. > > To be honest, that's what I'm doing for many years now. I > tend to compile only those ports where it is either required > in order to obtain the software because no suitable package > does exist (e. g. OpenOffice), or because I intendedly want > to have access to compile-time options (e. g. mplayer), which > can also apply when specific optimization is needed in order > to get something into a usable state on older hardware. For > everything else, packages are fine. Mixing those forms (and > maybe assuming that ports can be either handled by the > native "make method" or one of the port management tools > such as portmaster) is possible. Of course you have to think > first, then do, but I assume it's not needed mentioning. :-) It's good people have the option to install packages if they so wish. Personally, I don't think i've ever used a precompiled package on FreeBSD; I much prefer to compile from source, especially when updating my system (different topic i know). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 14:40:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F89106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60ABA8FC1C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KEetL4029699 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:40:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KEetNU029698 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:40:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:40:55 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820144055.GB29643@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120820142755.573029da.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:40:58 -0000 == Denis wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 16:41:56 +0400 == > > Then why not follow my suggestion of _letting_ freebsd-update > > update the kernel, but _use_ a different one instead which it > > won't touch? In /boot/loader.conf: > > > > kernel="mykernel" > > bootfile="/boot/mykernel/kernel" > > > > Now freebsd-update can happily alter the default kernel without > > affecting yours. Note that this implies that _you_ have to take > > care of kernel changes and recompiling if needed. > > > > I know, it's just a workaround and doesn't address the problem > > directly, but it should get you away from any related trouble. > > Yes, I saw your advice, and will follow it. > The main idea - may be I missed something and there will be an easy > fix to my problem. I want to make sure that the problem exists, and > I'm not the only person faced with this error. And also I have a small > hope that problem will be fixed by freebsd team :-). > > Best regards, > Denis If you're building your own customised kernel, why don't you just build the entire system from source? I've not used freebsd-update yet and probably won't. Is it just a matter of time, i.e. waiting for the compilation to finish? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 14:42:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CE310657E8 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4190F8FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:42:44 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Cc:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=u8vt/NlfSR4j2IFpyfp/K+0S5RZBWFbVPO2SZZysWEM=; b=a7WhleYC40wNFs21t8gpbahfzuaQRai1yddBbvTZX4LOKfkAjkCiA43Co2UqeaYojptSb2/t2n7LY9/pn/KXXnay39CkZwI+0Pju224fIigxdtb0mGrkLLYygBnO3i2W; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.80 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1T3TBf-000ErS-7h; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:42:43 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpa id 1345473753-41577-41576/5/80; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:42:33 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:42:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Report: ALL_TRUSTED=-1, KHOP_THREADED=-0.5 X-SA-Score: -1.5 Cc: jb Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:42:44 -0000 Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice we've survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very good reading for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's worth mentioning that this is snowballing quickly. I used to really like some Linux distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for 3 years now and after watching Linux change in those 3 years from this distance I'm not sure I want to go back. Everything that originally excited me about *nix operating systems is gone; it's a big convoluted mess now. This isn't a good sign and I hope someone has the sense enough to stand their ground and tell RedHat/Poettering "NO". TEAR DOWN THIS WALL, MR GORB^H^H^H^HPOETTERING From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 14:59:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37007106566C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:59:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from piloyder@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E330E8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl7 with SMTP id l7so6184808yen.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:59:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+huhegNIlG+iuZGtu4/X0KVkMtLcOHx4jsen0E/cjkI=; b=SaeiYOT67G80VB1TYz1btQ8VIS3bLVvOy81aOS6sFB/Q9GLxbq56ovjpVHTcupi3M3 6Nfwb/emibUIZhm8yS/W/Ge90Bg4grsY5RV5BtrqTzPWkajrUpA6/pYZOlJZiIMV7L1a 2e7rgwsdfbM1uD08qNsnO1iPBC5FLHz2EpkCIUpC2SWnXuXckZW+bBXhP92ioHtQs251 bW+uImjYifFQ0m5Psa7E5CdyXRDUPZQ+x3/4FNJF+fwL/aa2tJQD6N2Or7wc1HhNyY2i WZs3Cv2GOv13MQGYWLN5vnB/gaA1BgjRRNYJcOs7e/jPp1JFs4f20XA8Pqu3vqcsxxvn hatQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.195.234 with SMTP id ih10mr9969186igc.21.1345474752730; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.45.2 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 07:59:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120820144055.GB29643@kontrol.kode5.net> References: <20120820142755.573029da.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820144055.GB29643@kontrol.kode5.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:59:12 +0400 Message-ID: From: Denis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: freebsd-update fetch trying to update custom kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:59:14 -0000 > If you're building your own customised kernel, why don't you just build the entire system from source? I've not used freebsd-update yet and probably won't. Is it just a matter of time, i.e. waiting for the compilation to finish? Actually I built this system from source. And now use freebsd-update just to install security patches (it seems to be easy and faster then to rebuild world). Best regards, Denis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 15:21:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CED106567C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:21:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145C38FC1C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so6194044yhf.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:21:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kCaFLdVyZRogSRM/WpgBVx7gdtx3UcLZaMTNlPNJXNo=; b=UE5W2vSnytAX8/WCijwd/s8YPCFgjgpi/ICIbQ88ULl/5tzknoRgarQaYNBSw5FClA Rdvl91aSmpRfdbDOJVXA8Bxm5AMVcePBOEuY71GkbXQVD3zNs74IBxrN1rNxbaJ86SlB EEUUGn9dZkvI3sMHqHrES47lRpIIcP6b8gCuk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=kCaFLdVyZRogSRM/WpgBVx7gdtx3UcLZaMTNlPNJXNo=; b=ahPbDx0+7HCxPVPApK67cZZwmbOlX2slscpSO4rwYvPiq+KyfiPVTp7NYNj43MCq8J qEB/XO7k2x1l93+fb/qS3ujOBLj9ZJNrD+nVsafoRbSXp5Ze0qhLOpSAdpnGYyOz1a4n 9b/cvm02hlGW9cSYGpJCeKkVr5JiADAt/kn/wafAwkGeuioUwWhSWR4nhp4XEJN/zEFL wMKHThuGpzxIU6pH/x4AvqkpL411tBvW2i6NmFzjsTfXO8a+vqoayZMM1dKLhb17Q23V sxlUZ7OAgFWtrBwWdY6m522GvCYguZ2eUee0b99RgAow6XXlMvuILFS8ecpeZZ025AF0 Pd7Q== Received: by 10.236.153.105 with SMTP id e69mr21565833yhk.66.1345476114084; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w1sm14314631anm.8.2012.08.20.08.21.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 08:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3X0zJZ74Dhz2CG68 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:21:50 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120820112150.7992db5c@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmZo9gx+tkGv01wAD1pzMoWx+dNHOlYdmgOjNKt9zdh20162x3YEJ5lm99TRLqojhSMMAv3 Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:21:55 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:09:12 +0000 (UTC) jb articulated: > here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's > view) on Linux developments: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 > Reader Comments > "1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39 GMT from > France) Much has been said on the subject of Systemd. Let me quote > Eric Hameleers, one of Slackware's developers. > > "[...] systemd is essentially evil. It is invasive, extremely hostile > to other environments, threatening to kill non-Linux ecosystems which > have hal, udev, dbus, consolekit, polkit, udisks, upower and friends > as dependencies. And every iteration of the software written by the > Redhat employees who are responsible for hal, udev, consiolekit, > polkit and now systemd are incompatible with previous releases, > re-implementing their bad ideas with new bad ideas... basically > proving that these Redhat employees must be declared unfit to work on > the core of a Linux distro. However, the influence of their employer > is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX > community and at some point it will be "assimilate or die". I hope we > (Slackware) will find a way where we do not have to assimilate but > still manage to keep the distro working. I have high hopes for KDE > which has no Redhat ties and so far, manages to stay clear of this > mess, sticking to widely accepted standards." > > Cheers from a Slackware user." > > For those of you who are unfamiliar - systemd is a replacement for > SysV, LSB, and Upstart init subsystem scripts. > > Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?) > they are aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?). > > On my FreeBSD machine: > $ ls /var/db/pkg/ > ... > hal-0.5.14_19/ > dbus-1.4.14_i3/ > consolekit-0.4.3/ > polkit-0.99/ > upower-0.9.7/ > ... > > Also, once again I refer to Linux-related ports in *BSD ecosystem > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linux&stype=all > and warn against becoming entangled in affairs of Linux ecosystem. Change is scary. There were those who believed in the early 1900's that there were no new discoveries to be made or inventions to be designed and implemented. Thank God that there were those who said, "Wow, this 8086 processor is cool; however, I think we can do better." Change is always scary and sometimes even dangerous; however, everything either evolves or dies. Unless someone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to accept changes that you do not approve of, I do not see a problem. With that said, telling others that they have to watch their TV by candle light is an extremely limited view of the bigger picture. An analog man in a digital world can be confusing and scary. Personally, I embrace progress. Even if there are ten failures in a row, that one success can be an life changing idea that can alter the course of an entire industry. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 15:24:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F97106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:24:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D059E8FC1E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:24:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 28294164 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:34 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KEOXXj014976 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:34 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KEOWcY014975 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:32 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:32 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:24:45 -0000 Colleagues, Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old son could enjoy? Thank you very much in advance. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 16:12:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039D0106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B711D8FC14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AED27DA4; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:06:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7KG6Sn3003655; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:06:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:06:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Message-Id: <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:12:32 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:32 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Colleagues, > > Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection > which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have > tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. > > games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa MIDI load failed:/etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory Install timidity++ from ports to get MIDI background music support. > games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn doom-1.10_5 is only for i386, while you are running amd64. A precise message. > games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 > window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to > the audio system. > > Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old > son could enjoy? How about OpenArena? I'm currently playing it with pals via Internet. Okay, not at this moment, as I'm writing this message, obviously... :-) > Thank you very much in advance. First make sure all your 3D stuff runs fine. Install "xlockmore" and test it with: % xlock -nolock -mode lament % xlock -nolock -mode fire Works fine? Next consideration: Games in ports collection that run out of the box (even though I still have 8.2-STABLE/x86 here) include DooM 3 and Quake 4. I've also tried RTCW, but except a grey fullscreen I get nothing. Music plays, I can move the mouse and listen to the main menu choices "clicking", but I don't see anything. For older DooM ports, I've successfully been playing DooM, DooM II and Heretic using lsdldoom port on a 300 MHz P2. Note lsdldoom also supports OpenGL graphics. I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, and Jedi Knight II via wine. I don't see a massive problem to run those on the amd64 platform, from which I switched back to i386 on my home system due to trouble with wine. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 16:38:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F75106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C698FC12 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3Uzu-0000om-4A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:38:38 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:38:38 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:38:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:38:27 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:38:40 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:32 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Colleagues, > > Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection which > work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have tried > work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. > > games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa > > games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn > > games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 > window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the > audio system. > > Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old > son could enjoy? prboom works flawlessly on my FreeBSD9 laptop. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 16:46:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8EC106566C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C598FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25525 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2012 16:46:36 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2012 16:46:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=503269eb.xn--9vv.k1208; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=2/p/lJfrQz4S+RGnuLB8uwfuIJSgWPeCZYRH0t7e1wU=; b=jLzHwspoCjTPdWvF3n02bcnU2XMc8dIGxSFjKpTF2+kOUjNAplAy7AZ1DOnUDw1xIiX5Sivu6YDshurg+nivCh0TPkLMno6bhPByseNLzJ1oEdA37YvOdB0M20uEnwsDHVMzq0DE7HsxJd3EtmG97WwW8z17I+X7W2IHbgZrmZM= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 20 Aug 2012 16:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:46:37 -0000 I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and PHP 5.4.5. In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of random errors, they hang, errors claiming that builtins like require_once() are not found, and other stuff. I don't see any pattern. I also can't figure out what's changed. I update the ports fairly often, but none of the recent updates were for apache or PHP. I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. Does this sound familiar? Any suggestions beyond what I've already done? R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 17:05:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFBE106566C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBDF8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:05:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 28296130 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:19 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KH5IOw017477 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:18 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KH5Hq8017476 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:17 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:17 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820170517.GA17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:05:22 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > > > > Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection > > which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have > > tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. > > > > games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa > > MIDI load failed:/etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory > > Install timidity++ from ports to get MIDI background music support. Actually I have compiled it WITHOUT_MUSIC. Anyway, recompiling with background music support does not make things any better: Starting Hexen! XDM authorization key matches an existing client!V_Init: allocate screens. M_LoadDefaults: Load system defaults. W_Init: Init WADfiles. DEMO IWAD detected! Z_Init: Init zone memory allocation daemon. MN_Init: Init menu system. CT_Init: Init chat mode data. S_InitScript SN_InitSequenceScript: Registering sound sequences. I_Init: Setting up machine state. SDL Audio opened successfully. ST_Init: Init startup screen. Executable: U-Hexen 0.5 build Aug 20 2012. R_Init: Init Hexen refresh daemonTextures Bus error (core dumped) > > games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn > > doom-1.10_5 is only for i386, while you are running amd64. > > A precise message. Does not make me any happier. > > > > > games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 > > window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to > > the audio system. > > > > Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old > > son could enjoy? > > How about OpenArena? I'm currently playing it with pals via > Internet. Okay, not at this moment, as I'm writing this > message, obviously... :-) This is some multiuser game, isn't it? I was looking for something one could play alone, like Doom or Hexen. I have some WADs from the old DOS CDs and from BBSes. > > Thank you very much in advance. > > First make sure all your 3D stuff runs fine. Install "xlockmore" > and test it with: > > % xlock -nolock -mode lament > % xlock -nolock -mode fire > > Works fine? Yes, it does. In fact, I use xlock as my screensaver all the time. > Next consideration: > > Games in ports collection that run out of the box (even though I > still have 8.2-STABLE/x86 here) include DooM 3 and Quake 4. If I wanted a linux game, I would use the linux notebook. I am very reluctant in install half-a-penguin on my FreeBSD box just to play a game. > I've > also tried RTCW, but except a grey fullscreen I get nothing. > Music plays, I can move the mouse and listen to the main menu > choices "clicking", but I don't see anything. For older DooM > ports, I've successfully been playing DooM, DooM II and Heretic > using lsdldoom port on a 300 MHz P2. Note lsdldoom also supports > OpenGL graphics. Which port is it? "make search key=lsdldoom" finds nothing. > I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, > and Jedi Knight II via wine. Oh, is there really nothing native? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 17:07:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A48106566C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A918FC27 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke52 with SMTP id e52so1994316eek.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2Rua+rDxijLfSsXK1yGbGkcCvTV73rwGWAK9bN8+VrU=; b=0Jx6VVWRIcH1GZ5wdXeKYlfcFfFKTc4jABTrrFsPhmOyD5X8HsSzPVlnDoP+c4/GMd cU64SAaVTnj8HpJK6EzKvfbzNBR4W/oJgTBCykW3cfCQ7QPzTrhlvJgVErb7dQcYUKmU p5cv2nHt98UcQaNB0TtgQ7X10hA5tR65pbI5riNzKOJ3e7osfcAx0ojH/1zV1/wl+9V9 iN6Ns91q066KuE52wK46OWsz9JzlvX71zaPNpkXHC74T9oxkH1PbagZDzQxS3PINpAFj iRjz8T9zoyaxI0irtKGW3riBvEbPu9b82BgVccyoOrZhzENHvOVCrSDts3KryRyZM/Jb RpcQ== Received: by 10.14.198.65 with SMTP id u41mr9663623een.22.1345482467555; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:470:28:4ba:bd0d:c674:d614:f7e2? ([2001:470:28:4ba:bd0d:c674:d614:f7e2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u8sm43444119eel.11.2012.08.20.10.07.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50326EE4.4000002@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:07:48 +0400 From: Yuri Pankov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Sudakov References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> In-Reply-To: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:07:54 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:32 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Colleagues, > > Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection > which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have > tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. > > games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa > > games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn > > games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 > window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to > the audio system. > > Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old > son could enjoy? > > Thank you very much in advance. Try games/deng. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 17:16:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82896106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:16:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0748FC14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E473CC48; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:16:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7KHGHkH004146; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:16:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:16:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Message-Id: <20120820191617.66efd947.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120820170517.GA17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820170517.GA17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:16:20 -0000 On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:17 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection > > > which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have > > > tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. > > > > > > games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa > > > > MIDI load failed:/etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory > > > > Install timidity++ from ports to get MIDI background music support. > > Actually I have compiled it WITHOUT_MUSIC. Anyway, recompiling with background > music support does not make things any better: > > Starting Hexen! > XDM authorization key matches an existing client!V_Init: allocate screens. > M_LoadDefaults: Load system defaults. > W_Init: Init WADfiles. > DEMO IWAD detected! > Z_Init: Init zone memory allocation daemon. > MN_Init: Init menu system. > CT_Init: Init chat mode data. > S_InitScript > SN_InitSequenceScript: Registering sound sequences. > I_Init: Setting up machine state. > SDL Audio opened successfully. > ST_Init: Init startup screen. > Executable: U-Hexen 0.5 build Aug 20 2012. > R_Init: Init Hexen refresh daemonTextures Bus error (core dumped) "Bus error" doesn't sound good. > > > games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn > > > > doom-1.10_5 is only for i386, while you are running amd64. > > > > A precise message. > > Does not make me any happier. But at least it tells the truth from the beginning. > > > games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 > > > window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to > > > the audio system. > > > > > > Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old > > > son could enjoy? > > > > How about OpenArena? I'm currently playing it with pals via > > Internet. Okay, not at this moment, as I'm writing this > > message, obviously... :-) > > This is some multiuser game, isn't it? I was looking for something one > could play alone, like Doom or Hexen. You actually have a series of levels to play against computer enemies (AI), but it's not that it contains a "story" like DooM or Quake. > I have some WADs from the old > DOS CDs and from BBSes. Try to load them with lsdldoom or prboom (I've tried both in the past). > > First make sure all your 3D stuff runs fine. Install "xlockmore" > > and test it with: > > > > % xlock -nolock -mode lament > > % xlock -nolock -mode fire > > > > Works fine? > > Yes, it does. In fact, I use xlock as my screensaver all the time. Very good, so there will be _no_ problem related to 3D, which often is the main issue for those games. > > Next consideration: > > > > Games in ports collection that run out of the box (even though I > > still have 8.2-STABLE/x86 here) include DooM 3 and Quake 4. > > If I wanted a linux game, I would use the linux notebook. I am very > reluctant in install half-a-penguin on my FreeBSD box just to play a > game. I also had to apply some tweaks to get those games running, it's at least not trivial. > > I've > > also tried RTCW, but except a grey fullscreen I get nothing. > > Music plays, I can move the mouse and listen to the main menu > > choices "clicking", but I don't see anything. For older DooM > > ports, I've successfully been playing DooM, DooM II and Heretic > > using lsdldoom port on a 300 MHz P2. Note lsdldoom also supports > > OpenGL graphics. > > Which port is it? "make search key=lsdldoom" finds nothing. Oh, it's "doomlegacy". > > I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, > > and Jedi Knight II via wine. > > Oh, is there really nothing native? No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original files from the DOS version. Still it was playable more than 5 years ago, so even considering the ongoing disimprovement, it should run today. :-) Maybe even other older DOS shooters (Duke Nukem 3D, Chasm, Shadow Warrior, Dark Forces, Blood and so on) could be easily run using a VM or emulator? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 17:19:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BC7106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:19:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A77E8FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:19:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 28296302 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:19:54 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KHJrqA017696 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:19:53 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KHJr3D017695 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:19:53 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:19:53 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820171953.GB17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:19:56 -0000 Walter Hurry wrote: > > prboom works flawlessly on my FreeBSD9 laptop. Wow! This one really works and looks like the good old Doom, music and sound and all. Thank you Walter! -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 17:40:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D8E106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFBD8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3VyB-0001no-Fq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:40:57 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:40:55 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:40:55 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <20120820112150.7992db5c@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1) Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:59 -0000 Jerry seibercom.net> writes: > > > However, the influence of their employer > > is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX > > community and at some point it will be "assimilate or die". > ... > Personally, I embrace progress. Even if there are ten failures in a > row, that one success can be an life changing idea that can alter the > course of an entire industry. Well, this is not about progress, not even about the pace of it. It is about an ecosystem, in which a professional company tries to dominate it by "my way, or high way" approach (you know it when you follow development of Fedora, their test system distro). Because of the nature of that ecosystem called free and open source software, what is implemented has great impact on it by way of sharing and like-mindedness. What bothers me (and few other people, even inside Red Hat/Fedora) is them speaking from both sides of their mouth. On one side they call themselves UNIX-like, on the other they violate many principles of UNIX philosophy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy This is not a religion (to some it may be), but "a set of cultural norms and philosophical approaches to developing software based on the experience of leading developers of the Unix operating system" - they are relevant beyond any doubt. Let me mention few of them, like modularity and composition, that are violated by software like systemd, GNOME, etc. They also want to build a monolithic OS based on violation of these principles. The end effect is, they consciously want to screw up Linux and non-Linux (UNIX, *BSD, etc) ecosystems that opt not to follow them (read some additional comments that appeared in the meantime in the comments section of Distrowatch). This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under the noble flag of "progress" to neutralize and fight opposition. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 17:41:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786911065672 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:41:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316D58FC14 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3Vyj-0002LQ-F9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:41:29 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.96.198]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:41:29 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:41:29 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:41:23 -0400 Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:41:29 -0000 Mark Felder wrote: > Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice we've > survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very good reading > for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's worth mentioning > that this is snowballing quickly. I used to really like some Linux > distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for 3 years now and after > watching Linux change in those 3 years from this distance I'm not sure I > want to go back. Everything that originally excited me about *nix > operating systems is gone; it's a big convoluted mess now. This isn't a > good sign and I hope someone has the sense enough to stand their ground > and tell RedHat/Poettering "NO". > You hit the nail on the head for me. For quite a few years I have tried Skype on various flavors of Linux machines all with the same end result: in order to use the microphone Pulseaudio had to be disabled. It's as if the guy that started it (Poettering) never conceived needing to use a microphone with a sound server and never tried it. So, in my opinion Pulseaudio is software left unfinished. Never mind such unfinished and untested as it was, it was mind-numbing to see all the 'distros' incorporate it as a default. Then Poettering moved on to systemd. My reservations are several. Developeritus notwithstanding, I am left to wonder whether he will 'finish' systemd or walk away from it when he gets bored with it, leaving it in the same kind of mess he left Pulseaudio. Now I truly like the idea and concept of Pulseaudio - it would just be nice if the author and project made it work the way an end-user sitting in front of his computer expects it to work. So called 'developeritus' is a fundamental disconnect between coders who code to please themselves and pat themselves on the back for adding 'features' and end-users who utilize computers to do other work. Anyway, enough rant from the my $.02 dept. I perceive the 'developeritus' affliction as a huge elephant in the open source software room that no one wants to talk about. I am definitely NOT against technological advances in software and the state of the art moving forward; indeed I welcome it. But, if it's broken like Pulseaudio I don't want to have anything to do with it. If it means using it requires me to spend countless hours trying to make it work instead of putting the time towards paying work then I do not need it getting in my way. Devs who code for ego gratification among their peers instead of trying to produce something a computer user might need should attempt to connect to this concept. And I see somewhat more "connect" in the FreeBSD community, which is a line-item on my list of what attracts me to continue using it. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 17:42:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85735106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:42:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA52D8FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:42:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 28296474 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:42:34 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KHgYKL018022 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:42:34 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KHgXIC018021 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:42:33 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:42:33 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820174233.GC17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <50326EE4.4000002@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50326EE4.4000002@gmail.com> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:42:36 -0000 Yuri Pankov wrote: > > > > Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection > > which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have > > tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. > > > > games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa > > > > games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn > > > > games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 > > window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to > > the audio system. > > > > Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old > > son could enjoy? > > > > Thank you very much in advance. > > Try games/deng. This one would not run out of the box either: [sudakov@vas ~] deng -game jdoom -file tmp/DOOM.WAD Z_Create: New 32.0 MB memory volume. determineGlobalPaths: Base path = /usr/local/share/deng/ Con_Init: Initializing the console. Executable: Version 1.9.0-beta6.9 Aug 21 2012 (DGL). Sys_InitWindowManager: Using SDL window management. While opening dynamic library /usr/local/lib/libjdoom.so: /usr/local/lib/libjdoom.so: Undefined symbol "Con_AddCommand" loadGamePlugin: Loading of libjdoom.so failed ((null)). Error loading game library.Z_Shutdown: Used 1 volumes, total 33554432 bytes. [sudakov@vas ~] -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 17:46:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6101065781 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:46:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D270E8FC12 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:46:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 28296527 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:46:40 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KHkekL018103 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:46:40 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KHkeaj018102 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:46:40 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:46:40 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820174640.GD17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820170517.GA17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820191617.66efd947.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120820191617.66efd947.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:46:43 -0000 Polytropon wrote: [dd] > > > > Which port is it? "make search key=lsdldoom" finds nothing. > > Oh, it's "doomlegacy". Thanks, will look at it. > > > > > > I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, > > > and Jedi Knight II via wine. > > > > Oh, is there really nothing native? > > No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports > (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original > files from the DOS version. What are the ports' names? -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 18:09:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106CE106566C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C236D8FC12 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA89C3CC79; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:09:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7KI9FkW004440; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:09:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:09:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Message-Id: <20120820200915.9ab5eede.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120820174640.GD17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820170517.GA17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820191617.66efd947.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820174640.GD17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:09:17 -0000 On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:46:40 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Polytropon wrote: > > > > I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, > > > > and Jedi Knight II via wine. > > > > > > Oh, is there really nothing native? > > > > No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports > > (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original > > files from the DOS version. > > What are the ports' names? The port for Quake is games/quakeforce (the binary then is nq-sdl, e. g. "nq-glx -width 1024 -height 768", or nq-glx), for Quake 2 it is games/quake2. I'm not sure if wine can run those native DOS games, but the "big" virtualisation software (VirtualBox, VMWare) should be able to emulate a PC, then have some DOS installed, and the game should run - _if_ the virtualisation works properly and _fully_ supports the required interfaces that the games _directly_ address. I assume "doscmd" is not sufficient. Maybe "bochs" is okay. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 18:24:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63A31065670 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:24:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6E98FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KIOXXp082706; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7KIOXHY082703; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:24:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Victor Sudakov In-Reply-To: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Message-ID: References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:24:39 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Colleagues, > > Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection > which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? games/ioquake3 games/ioquake3-devel games/openarena From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 18:25:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE5F1065691 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:25:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6108FC2F for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke52 with SMTP id e52so2024423eek.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:25:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eVMPC+ES4K3Jw3urJ2y5ijS/rX8SXzwg2nXSuj19KNE=; b=sNUsT6GO1w6qTSIU0dFeG8WgczOV3QcbR0Y+dW3YJxcqNqLk2V/ddZZXEwaNYbluNj aMPTXWaAsX6NvpFwSqnHydxU4WOTBDImCEKfYpSOLgarf999A1b1EOupxFOLpJPnZ080 04OQ5RUH1yjNufgHBVLzyUbLMA5GklJ9S2PAaBQNKGG+O3aiWN/iUm/sI7OIPjQZDm7q jt2AdoV4s7S6ESbeMl9dfVNptkyQ46Q5QLrLEGzmEFo44+t2Pggvxd+JLw8DXUEIThTF n2kurdvlQGq+395RvHkzDudFvuKx6YgdNQTHoPQb7pFt9SwsefNsLiJu95ug76HB4Awm VO3Q== Received: by 10.14.206.200 with SMTP id l48mr9919766eeo.41.1345487112356; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm43913731eei.12.2012.08.20.11.25.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:25:08 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820192508.64017d98@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20120820200915.9ab5eede.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820170517.GA17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820191617.66efd947.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820174640.GD17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820200915.9ab5eede.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:25:14 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:09:15 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > I'm not sure if wine can run those native DOS games, but > the "big" virtualisation software (VirtualBox, VMWare) > should be able to emulate a PC, t You don't need to go that far, dosbox will run most dos games. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 18:28:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A27106566C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3000D8FC25 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:28:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 28296911 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:28:38 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KISbtE018782 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:28:38 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KISa2G018781 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:28:36 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:28:36 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820182836.GA18699@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820170517.GA17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820191617.66efd947.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820174640.GD17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820200915.9ab5eede.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120820200915.9ab5eede.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:28:41 -0000 Polytropon wrote: > > > > > I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, > > > > > and Jedi Knight II via wine. > > > > > > > > Oh, is there really nothing native? > > > > > > No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports > > > (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original > > > files from the DOS version. > > > > What are the ports' names? > > The port for Quake is games/quakeforce (the binary then is You probably meant games/quakeforge. It does not compile. Perhaps I should submit a PR. > for Quake 2 it is games/quake2. There is no such directory games/quake2. There is games/quake2lnx, but it does not work as I wrote in the first mail: games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to the audio system. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 19:04:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10954106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:04:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hemi@puresimplicity.net) Received: from just.puresimplicity.net (just.puresimplicity.net [68.77.126.251]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C74C8FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from maize13.cropsci.uiuc.edu (maize13.cropsci.uiuc.edu [130.126.89.85]) (authenticated bits=0) by just.puresimplicity.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7KIdPjW061978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:39:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@puresimplicity.net) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96 at just.puresimplicity.net Message-ID: <50328458.4020504@puresimplicity.net> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:39:20 -0500 From: Josh Tolbert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820170517.GA17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820191617.66efd947.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120820191617.66efd947.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (just.puresimplicity.net [68.77.126.251]); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:39:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:04:08 -0000 games/quake2max is a good one...At least it was years ago when I tried it. I see nothing in the Makefile that will prevent it from building on amd64. Cheers, Josh On 8/20/12 12:16 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:17 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: >> Polytropon wrote: >>>> Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection >>>> which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? None of those I have >>>> tried work for a number of irritating reasons, like e.g. >>>> >>>> games/uhexen: http://pastebin.com/ZaJ74eaa >>> MIDI load failed:/etc/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory >>> >>> Install timidity++ from ports to get MIDI background music support. >> Actually I have compiled it WITHOUT_MUSIC. Anyway, recompiling with background >> music support does not make things any better: >> >> Starting Hexen! >> XDM authorization key matches an existing client!V_Init: allocate screens. >> M_LoadDefaults: Load system defaults. >> W_Init: Init WADfiles. >> DEMO IWAD detected! >> Z_Init: Init zone memory allocation daemon. >> MN_Init: Init menu system. >> CT_Init: Init chat mode data. >> S_InitScript >> SN_InitSequenceScript: Registering sound sequences. >> I_Init: Setting up machine state. >> SDL Audio opened successfully. >> ST_Init: Init startup screen. >> Executable: U-Hexen 0.5 build Aug 20 2012. >> R_Init: Init Hexen refresh daemonTextures Bus error (core dumped) > "Bus error" doesn't sound good. > > > >>>> games/doom: http://pastebin.com/XdrCwzvn >>> doom-1.10_5 is only for i386, while you are running amd64. >>> >>> A precise message. >> Does not make me any happier. > But at least it tells the truth from the beginning. > > > >>>> games/quake2lnx even pretends to do something: it opens a tiny X11 >>>> window with some flickering rubbish and plays some farting sounds to >>>> the audio system. >>>> >>>> Is there any working 3D shooter in the ports collection my 8 year old >>>> son could enjoy? >>> How about OpenArena? I'm currently playing it with pals via >>> Internet. Okay, not at this moment, as I'm writing this >>> message, obviously... :-) >> This is some multiuser game, isn't it? I was looking for something one >> could play alone, like Doom or Hexen. > You actually have a series of levels to play against computer > enemies (AI), but it's not that it contains a "story" like > DooM or Quake. > > > >> I have some WADs from the old >> DOS CDs and from BBSes. > Try to load them with lsdldoom or prboom (I've tried both in > the past). > > > >>> First make sure all your 3D stuff runs fine. Install "xlockmore" >>> and test it with: >>> >>> % xlock -nolock -mode lament >>> % xlock -nolock -mode fire >>> >>> Works fine? >> Yes, it does. In fact, I use xlock as my screensaver all the time. > Very good, so there will be _no_ problem related to 3D, which > often is the main issue for those games. > > > >>> Next consideration: >>> >>> Games in ports collection that run out of the box (even though I >>> still have 8.2-STABLE/x86 here) include DooM 3 and Quake 4. >> If I wanted a linux game, I would use the linux notebook. I am very >> reluctant in install half-a-penguin on my FreeBSD box just to play a >> game. > I also had to apply some tweaks to get those games running, it's > at least not trivial. > > > >>> I've >>> also tried RTCW, but except a grey fullscreen I get nothing. >>> Music plays, I can move the mouse and listen to the main menu >>> choices "clicking", but I don't see anything. For older DooM >>> ports, I've successfully been playing DooM, DooM II and Heretic >>> using lsdldoom port on a 300 MHz P2. Note lsdldoom also supports >>> OpenGL graphics. >> Which port is it? "make search key=lsdldoom" finds nothing. > Oh, it's "doomlegacy". > > > >>> I could also play Quake, Quake 2 from ports, >>> and Jedi Knight II via wine. >> Oh, is there really nothing native? > No, that game is far too old, but Quake and Quake 2 have ports > (to native FreeBSD) which work very nicely with the original > files from the DOS version. Still it was playable more than 5 > years ago, so even considering the ongoing disimprovement, it > should run today. :-) > > Maybe even other older DOS shooters (Duke Nukem 3D, Chasm, > Shadow Warrior, Dark Forces, Blood and so on) could be easily > run using a VM or emulator? > > > > -- Josh Tolbert hemi@puresimplicity.net || http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/ Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 19:07:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BA7106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1F88FC17 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so3524399ial.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:07:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=m4Jy/K1FsYDnCP/PPj6mg052SnivTUpGAuKkmd4AdWU=; b=vuTipqMbcbUEP4XC/B4xxgCnqkNa1Mt5Az2ANVTYktoBsRrv/3WHVQjH5nSZR9DX16 FcIJQ6OodRY0QFdGvKeE/QDtycSWOyl1skbv5XKt65+UNrK2iqjocSqlSbgT9RgDOezW Z22rwrffvcQ+3ZQ5NEEeOWzwo6wclA+5804QxTXQYnvb1dYqsaXQ/ksEaqN4QzFFT0Uy ziRRbTiIRkdwtjPGA7yFIJCapbXfJ9ZRITvUQIJR+288vN9bMM9xYUXO8YSJw27She7d Zl0djy9f/zXb8/L49i60BH6WzPYyfj/9SskIL68dPsb4bhR9i/115fH2C4dfmgLMl5Cz Psww== Received: by 10.50.149.202 with SMTP id uc10mr10918988igb.2.1345489656680; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:07:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.39.70 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:06:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:06:56 +0300 Message-ID: To: John Levine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:07:37 -0000 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:46 PM, John Levine wrote: > I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and PHP > 5.4.5. > > In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of random > errors, > they hang, errors claiming that builtins like require_once() are not > found, and > other stuff. I don't see any pattern. I also can't figure out what's > changed. > I update the ports fairly often, but none of the recent updates were for > apache > or PHP. > > I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and > all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. > > Does this sound familiar? Any suggestions beyond what I've already done? > > Did you also rebuilt lang/php5-extensions for the modules you need? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 19:18:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B173106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2818FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 67841 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2012 19:18:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=108ff.50328d69.k1208; bh=UNDdzl5PyzTDZGnQJUyyIgcoQCYeheaZFDaId4TlyQ4=; b=ow+Jt/iSznKV6t3JXWWoxXIssLx6kov6uWxC/A4Cjl8ddUv+TAMk9oa1iV8cuRvmpcRdBRgIajZhmHI+6HcfKRaTW2w6z7nwE61yJz5gzAEiF77jBFvu5+CLAdMqomK34hEJSqkj27oQQC4KHACp+XfC2naH31Vvj2zxb1nlCAI= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 20 Aug 2012 19:17:39 -0000 Date: 20 Aug 2012 15:18:01 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Odhiambo Washington" In-Reply-To: References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-1033091365-1345490281=:17951" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:18:03 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-1033091365-1345490281=:17951 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII >> I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and >> all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. > Did you also rebuilt lang/php5-extensions for the modules you need? Uh, yes, I said that I did. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly --3825401791-1033091365-1345490281=:17951-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 19:39:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D86F106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098E48FC0A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KJd0RO041815 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:39:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KJd0Ye041814 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:39:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:39:00 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820193900.GA41466@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120820112150.7992db5c@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:39:03 -0000 == jb wrote on Mon 20.Aug'12 at 17:40:40 +0000 == > The end effect is, they consciously want to screw up Linux and non-Linux (UNIX, > *BSD, etc) ecosystems that opt not to follow them (read some additional > comments that appeared in the meantime in the comments section of Distrowatch). > This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed under > the noble flag of "progress" to neutralize and fight opposition. > jb I have to say I completely agree. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 19:56:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC86106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:56:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1811B8FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so3559237ial.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:56:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=sg5sAzwTANivG0psPu7YH4Azl3oqK9iHE9HbDt8wRP8=; b=O7DefvulciCEkWe6T7y2iWTwYkYuZGxfIqHOYL/gkBElvAVjGN8t4foTxfq/H7c1pg Isyru1QlWJwbHYRkwk5nbW/zOJVUHt8TiICPZtLNTJ1TYQFpFz12/ht3qmLRBMk5LWrf 98efX5x8e9fKVZpHvg/i6TE3t1toecfdIwR0U/deEp4+6HviVWxY9tlxy6far0WkFXuZ O/BobUQxXtbKtHQOF1PYd6XlE1p7lHC4R/lxM5PsrNASS1c/XisRk2Z5zoUGWl1qSRp/ lbJE9ZJNOUK+rYqsPN15poCyT73ktcCHxUAa1cNGyJvfZRkgSrIBD72vkJjU0Rq05KnZ 3LXQ== Received: by 10.42.54.133 with SMTP id r5mr12170313icg.9.1345492618264; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:56:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.39.70 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:56:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:56:18 +0300 Message-ID: To: "John R. Levine" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:57:00 -0000 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM, John R. Levine wrote: > I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and >>> all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. >>> >> > Did you also rebuilt lang/php5-extensions for the modules you need? >> > > Uh, yes, I said that I did. > > Then perhaps you should downgrade to lang/php53 and lang/php53-extensions and compare the results! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g41sm30801805yhn.10.2012.08.20.12.57.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3X15QL4JkLz2CG68 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:57:14 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120820155714.36dfc5fd@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20120820112150.7992db5c@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlNaEb768ggv0v8oZmK9ZODv4vc3qCl8ARq2Zw2HXvfuix29AsIA8aR1EDck1lR19JIE79s Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:57:18 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 +0000 (UTC) jb articulated: > This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed > under the noble flag of "progress" to neutralize and fight opposition. Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement sounds? What are you planning on doing? Are you going to lay siege to their domains and prepare for a full frontal assault? Seriously though, I have spent years attempting to get things to work in FreeBSD with either utter or partial failure. Wireless "N" NICs were totally orphaned by FreeBSD for years. Now, reluctantly I would assume, there is some partial support. Support for "FLASH" basically sucks. Hell, there is not even a viable "Tex-Live" port, an application that I have working perfectly on a Windows machine. The list goes on and on. The only constant I have been able to determine is that the open-source community, and FreeBSD in particular, would rather play the "blame game" as opposed to correcting the problem. Everyone else is always to blame, when in reality, all that is needed to determine the true source of the problem is to look in the mirror. The answer will stare them right in the face. I no longer spend days trying to debug a problem that I did not create. My time is just way to valuable for that nonsense. I simply find an acceptable alternative and move on. I don't need to be taking more drugs to control my blood pressure. I would strongly suggest that you find alternatives that suit your needs and leave the past behind. You'll feel better and enjoy life more. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 20:01:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAF51065670 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Dave.Robison@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809FA8FC1E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa07.fnfis.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7KK0vxv002942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:00:59 -0500 Received: from lefty.vicor.com (10.14.152.6) by smtp.fisglobal.com (10.132.206.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.309.2; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:00:58 -0500 Message-ID: <50329776.3010105@fisglobal.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:00:54 -0700 From: "Robison, Dave" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120209 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD References: <20120820112150.7992db5c@scorpio> <20120820155714.36dfc5fd@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120820155714.36dfc5fd@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [10.14.152.6] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-08-20_04:2012-08-20, 2012-08-20, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: david.robison@fisglobal.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:01:07 -0000 nice ad hominem screed On 08/20/2012 12:57, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:40:40 +0000 (UTC) > jb articulated: > >> This is a bad thing for all UNIX or UNIX-like ecosystems, performed >> under the noble flag of "progress" to neutralize and fight opposition. > Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement sounds? What are you > planning on doing? Are you going to lay siege to their domains and > prepare for a full frontal assault? > > Seriously though, I have spent years attempting to get things to work > in FreeBSD with either utter or partial failure. Wireless "N" NICs were > totally orphaned by FreeBSD for years. Now, reluctantly I would assume, > there is some partial support. Support for "FLASH" basically sucks. > Hell, there is not even a viable "Tex-Live" port, an application that I > have working perfectly on a Windows machine. The list goes on and on. > The only constant I have been able to determine is that the open-source > community, and FreeBSD in particular, would rather play the "blame > game" as opposed to correcting the problem. Everyone else is always to > blame, when in reality, all that is needed to determine the true source > of the problem is to look in the mirror. The answer will stare them > right in the face. > > I no longer spend days trying to debug a problem that I did not > create. My time is just way to valuable for that nonsense. I simply > find an acceptable alternative and move on. I don't need to be taking > more drugs to control my blood pressure. I would strongly suggest that > you find alternatives that suit your needs and leave the past behind. > You'll feel better and enjoy life more. > -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) daver@vicor.com david.robison@fisglobal.com _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 20:02:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFBD106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4168FC19 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 81346 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2012 20:02:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=13dc1.503297bf.k1208; bh=dplfgqkeO8sMk6im/0EJbvao/DEkhdcrbZWbyFckqJg=; b=EOyegF9X16dYlfTtPWek0S89T7UzP27BZ4i9L44mijvZ1m9m83G+bxugsSCC502Gxl5VbPVjPYR5WnIytNuxDbAq2E19WwxdWrxx0o1MsWE3rV+fgCHEh8JQwyiQqYuzLy+AvKzs9QdfNndv96IhCkzBWtk3hWujUpr8xKB8WPE= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 20 Aug 2012 20:01:45 -0000 Date: 20 Aug 2012 16:02:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Odhiambo Washington" In-Reply-To: References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:02:09 -0000 > Then perhaps you should downgrade to lang/php53 and lang/php53-extensions > and compare the results! Good thought, I just did that. Results: php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell php5.4: fails in random ways This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x. I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution server, so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 20:04:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44487106564A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:04:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40DB8FC16 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr13 with SMTP id r13so6530900ghr.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:04:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tEecXxu9xjX1P+spsB7dWm4cxkMVchYYep+/2rGekAE=; b=D+da/kkbm6iE2EUujDZl/M5dTTMuApwWg/28wAR+Q5N4hORPqXZtv2YnOYe+nPTucn frik7Fi54cgSJpgG991CKputburix3S46cmvuVoZRwPJnOO8yFAAew2/TPteKCDgCGpP n8kO+nwHRqsxODVk2RQ4Fyv34xg8xiVteYipE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=tEecXxu9xjX1P+spsB7dWm4cxkMVchYYep+/2rGekAE=; b=BmHrgThLpdPI4i4AXG0WjUZ6eYHsB5WHGFiC6JW40FO7v6WMz0hFMTVAJBA3xKbmG1 XPV55+ADtvrIHqApm5QoIMW3XpPDo4DDxnhjeR8s12eWG8YvIUdXeCZvov9jw31X4F+e AmJdcV2J8uF93UCfu0hH9wC2YSiKzQe/H3Pi8KK4kGUfLq7vLWjZBGv12mBFxP/x6vKL 6j+8gFtLby3u5/4uorAWovqz5yP/gdrt98TMhb8v3o9PoP84VDNJbTQeFTl/vQ9eK1tL oF7nqqcEqWIdVQ34slzPZrl55McUimfkPcS5pTqR/gIB5v87N9IbQCWa+6sbnQtn4FKN 4U8Q== Received: by 10.236.153.105 with SMTP id e69mr22937417yhk.66.1345493069036; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t57sm30878832yhg.0.2012.08.20.13.04.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3X15Zf46Crz2CG69 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:04:26 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120820160426.2b435fe3@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQki4O/oIJX2WqX65eTVsTkYTQVMt9GG/LsQFK/uOHHJrxzTrzYkBHvTG5O/Gjm1fKGp4DbO Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:04:30 -0000 On 20 Aug 2012 16:46:13 -0000 John Levine articulated: > I have a fully patche amd64 freebsd 8.3 server with apache 2.2 and > PHP 5.4.5. > > In the past day, php scripts have started failing with a variety of > random errors, they hang, errors claiming that builtins like > require_once() are not found, and other stuff. I don't see any > pattern. I also can't figure out what's changed. I update the ports > fairly often, but none of the recent updates were for apache or PHP. > > I've done all the usual voodoo repair: I have rebuilt apache, php, and > all the php modules from source, and rebooted, and it didn't help. > > Does this sound familiar? Any suggestions beyond what I've already > done? What is the output of "php --version"? I had a similar problem a little over a year ago. I finally had to do a "pkg_delete" of every "php" port on my system. I then used "portmanager", although you could use "portupgrade" as well to do a fresh install of "php". I rebooted and every thing worked fine. For some unknown reason, attempting to do a deinstall and re-install just failed to alleviate the problem. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 20:10:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D51106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1857D8FC1B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ialo14 with SMTP id o14so3569555ial.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:10:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=zGykZe/OgnMLjUn4jbW/40O68ghNfROhHLmO2Een884=; b=uNe8Ap09jr+q2PN01Ays0LDy1q0+srChJ6QKJnBaBwRtsLQv4OVdJU3Ou4CCXYTu89 hddXEUu+OY1xXpoYL9IuM+iHti3se2IMvn0Hb1EWks5sBby3aUm0jqlqADDoTudXbM72 gnwPZCpsi6SSmkBKlBCR4hES1inOGeJwshALxXQDoZEOfp+esx/0kLosb0PKuFKXYOVM yKjUEk7bkJTG7et1XH9Ko+L/if1YsdKZUS8TPk/ij2Itqzf5c3+CscWLRdNV8yix9diZ WsFjht5HQUTNALIoPvvBe7nNHYJeWOSiU7mKA0oN+Itm3jQZjDcj/jxbPBiaZ86m5rfd hKyw== Received: by 10.42.96.129 with SMTP id j1mr2462497icn.54.1345493443401; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:10:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.39.70 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:10:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:10:03 +0300 Message-ID: To: "John R. Levine" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:10:44 -0000 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM, John R. Levine wrote: > Then perhaps you should downgrade to lang/php53 and lang/php53-extensions >> and compare the results! >> > > Good thought, I just did that. Results: > > php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell > > php5.4: fails in random ways > > This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x. > I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution server, > so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more > Packages?? It's better for you to use the ports tree! Anyway, good that you are back up again.I hope you do know that php54 breaks so much compatibility with code that was written for php53 and below. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 20:22:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE96B106566C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:22:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBD08FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:22:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Cc:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=tAFhbuHffN6Jo7OQborcWQXD+ZNTazhnpy3/+eYkyyc=; b=KB5Tm6EpzljPCNEDYW4PjKYO/vM0ETR7+/i7MLGkLv3kPHq0JpvEBq9PV/lOEBU/MwOU/lbtUJt2Ey572xhY9ejpdaX/JV57656mMNujfex3zTfyHUBrqzrPTtPlYUQY; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.80 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1T3YUx-0006yZ-7X; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:22:56 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpa id 1345494168-41577-41576/5/81; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:22:48 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: FreeBSD References: <20120820112150.7992db5c@scorpio> <20120820155714.36dfc5fd@scorpio> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:22:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20120820155714.36dfc5fd@scorpio> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Report: ALL_TRUSTED=-1, KHOP_THREADED=-0.5 X-SA-Score: -1.5 Cc: jerry@seibercom.net Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:22:56 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:57:14 -0500, wrote: > Support for "FLASH" basically sucks. Please stop trolling. I've been using flash with zero issues for 3 years. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 20:23:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3CF106568C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from russo@bogodyn.org) Received: from bogodyn.org (mail.bogodyn.org [69.49.164.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672E08FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bogodyn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bogodyn.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KKFF7c074023; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from russo@bogodyn.org) Received: (from russo@localhost) by bogodyn.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KKFF70074022; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from russo) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:15:15 -0600 From: Tom Russo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120820201515.GA73574@bogodyn.org> References: <20120820182857.0860F10656A4@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120820182857.0860F10656A4@hub.freebsd.org> Organization: International Institute for Advanced Quantum Bogodynamical Studies User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on bogodyn.org Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: russo@bogodyn.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:23:51 -0000 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 06:28:57PM +0000, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the flavor, containing: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:05:17 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > > > > Please advise if there are any 3D shooters in the ports collection > > > > which work out of the box on 9.0-STABLE (amd64)? [...] > > Maybe even other older DOS shooters (Duke Nukem 3D, Chasm, > Shadow Warrior, Dark Forces, Blood and so on) could be easily > run using a VM or emulator? If you have the original Duke Nukem 3D install CDs for DOS, you can use the "eduke32" port rather than a VM or DOS emulator. eduke32 is a port of the graphics engine for Duke 3D that renders using OpenGL, and uses the original game files from the CD (requires them, actually). There's just one file you need to copy off the CD to make it work ("game.con" IIRC). There is also something called a "High Resolution Pack" (HRP) for eduke32 that updates the maps to higher res, but I've never been able to get the HRP to work on FreeBSD, even though it works and looks great on Linux. The eduke32 port once emitted a message telling you about the HRP and where to find it, but never explained how to install it or use it on BSD (and the HRP web site has only Windows and Linux-specific installers). Just looked, and it appears that this reference to the HRP is now removed from the FreeBSD port. -- Tom Russo KM5VY SAR502 DM64ux http://www.swcp.com/~russo/ Tijeras, NM QRPL#1592 K2#398 SOC#236 http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?DDTNM "And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit!" --- The Tick From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 20:24:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECFB1065693 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:24:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D31F8FC1A for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:24:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Cc:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=t5f35pqM/01hOBSMscU5HyHCGQJZwnLH3l1YMwihq44=; b=a83Ti5UQsi+xmz3DP1fG8EKLAEoKPzF4FHA6Ae5AhhfaT0mCu8+eas7SEwDr5Xi+dkzP8YnTzGxD9DoDu2pnHT51LCBMhKGAcCYO8qTDZBzk+kXMJfKuPyeAG3/S1wON; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.80 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1T3YWd-0006yZ-C7; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:24:39 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpa id 1345494278-41577-41576/5/82; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:24:38 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:24:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Report: ALL_TRUSTED=-1, KHOP_THREADED=-0.5 X-SA-Score: -1.5 Cc: John Levine Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:24:42 -0000 Are you running pecl-APC? If so, what version? There's a major issue with the latest. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 20:42:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07928106567E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60ED08FC19 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 87454 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2012 20:42:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=1559d.5032a150.k1208; bh=wmhzpAi7rlNOJS8LCtU2WMDOMWEva3RCjEPwGeGFlqY=; b=rcdkDBdX9srOfFuGGS6zvw7nfFass6wOeW7QUP5i29+0o95dsnh4cskWkrnTFwOr55ucyghbSgUgRDfNXuJGTFzuAQW8tOt0AeahlVjBpW0CZiLdjJSv+7CGMStDlKrAfibuJ5HR7D48iZyKoNdwTc122lxU76j9XAjZFM8c2Cs= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 20 Aug 2012 20:42:34 -0000 Date: 20 Aug 2012 16:42:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Odhiambo Washington" In-Reply-To: References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:42:58 -0000 >> Good thought, I just did that. Results: >> >> php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell >> >> php5.4: fails in random ways >> >> This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x. >> I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution server, >> so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more > > Packages?? > > It's better for you to use the ports tree! Ahem. If you will review the messages to which you were responding, you will note that yes, I did build everything from the ports tree. My point is that since they're not building 8.3 packages any more, they're not validating updated ports against 8.3 any more. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 21:10:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A4E1065670 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:10:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21B08FC21 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3ZFL-0004HR-N2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:10:51 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.96.198]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:10:51 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:10:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 17:10:43 -0400 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:10:59 -0000 John R. Levine wrote: >> Then perhaps you should downgrade to lang/php53 and lang/php53-extensions >> and compare the results! > > Good thought, I just did that. Results: > > php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell > > php5.4: fails in random ways > > This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD 8.x. > I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution > server, so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more > [snip] I had pretty much the same experience. I run apache22 with the event mpm in conjunction with php-fm, utilizing mod_fastcgi to connect the two. This is so I can have a threaded web server and separate it from questionable "thread-safe" PHP code. I had built PHP with the threading option, and with 5.4.x I had flaky segfaults in some modules. I suspected at the time that there were regressions in "thread-safety" in more than one module but had zero time to deal with it. I went back down to 5.3.xx just as you and have had no trouble since. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 21:17:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D44B106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5724A8FC08 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 92625 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2012 21:17:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=169d0.5032a958.k1208; bh=K04w9ZFLd6k4hk7AMZQIxBTSHRTPCHQqr7JPhNlEtIk=; b=PPVPqjLI5lXkUt7dnMXBHxWVPGCFdYZFhmbPwOGGceKkMZuuzTNVqi+krfp+quzw+sNUVR808Y57Sca5CohJbuHhsA3sCmJ0isv4TgHUYXCR2d8d3a7csIuDoyx8wJwyhEmsXlvoFLWTE3f5yjh29PpTQs7C4sErEDOp8cMr4uI= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 20 Aug 2012 21:16:50 -0000 Date: 20 Aug 2012 17:17:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R. Levine" To: "Mark Felder" In-Reply-To: References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; BOUNDARY="3825401791-365141053-1345497432=:51210" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:17:14 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3825401791-365141053-1345497432=:51210 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Are you running pecl-APC? If so, what version? There's a major issue with the > latest. Hmmn, that might have been it. I backed down to 5.3, but when I have a chance I'll try 5.4 again without APC. R's, John --3825401791-365141053-1345497432=:51210-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 22:10:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BA2106566B for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37858FC12 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-auth2.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.94] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T3aAP-0003lw-NX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:10:03 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T3aAP-0001LX-JF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:09:49 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KM9ndq003896 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:09:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KM9nSg003895 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:09:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:09:49 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201208202209.q7KM9nSg003895@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Level: - Subject: mail(1) ~R and REPLYTO X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:10:04 -0000 mail(1) man page says: ~R string Use string as the Reply-To field. However, this doesn't seem to work for me. Hitting ~R doesn't have any effect at all. The man page also has: REPLYTO If set, will be used to initialize the Reply-To field for outgo- ing messages. This does work fine. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 01:56:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2188A106566B for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:56:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Tyler@tristatesafeandlock.com) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F339B8FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T3dhi-0000kx-Ej for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:56:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Locksmith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1345514186435-5735852.post@n5.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Building a FreeBSD desktop. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:56:27 -0000 I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Building-a-FreeBSD-desktop-tp5735852.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 02:09:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B3B106566B for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:09:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aaron@aaronkaufman.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EC28FC12 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so14120230obb.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-gm-message-state; bh=0xGffHjStyBBPkbnFA5oMTYq5fkRtL2pD+S1xpNX/pk=; b=nBbwkIU7zAQdkW/txVc/1DG93cmSmWwMu+W6v3fHeSLTGBt0m9BD2Y9EsJ1V295D8Z ypjGY9CJTgSoVfLTZ2MSaVXKTFEGv558hd31noba1lebvzyIhVEfmVhm5IxR5/dvepMM 1OBoBHyhDpP1UfpsGgi+A1wMy6zpMGEFJNXE/KXmgiM1gVKtZopyItNS6dTf/OEEM1Fz /UcNlK28z6gtKMdTtA3JWGAd7uxPcWmRvzamLRO3pqdGGBgN97wSTlAywDERfCYArYHE jSSL4tV2eeOoCmztgmEGOTkGagf37oPla90VoMA83OC59VOxoyssU7YVQVswuP7dev4f 6sVg== Received: by 10.182.74.68 with SMTP id r4mr11915142obv.31.1345514980167; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aaron.sysadm.co (aaron.sysadm.co. [64.31.36.195]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a9sm114724obp.14.2012.08.20.19.09.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:00:46 -0700 From: Aaron Kaufman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120821020033.GA64364@aaron.sysadm.co> References: <1345514186435-5735852.post@n5.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1345514186435-5735852.post@n5.nabble.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkRxwu+1K+DpHtthcNozitF4rD+WC7mTob3u9LHSrKuhuGK7r5EjOKSJ/UgMj+P5uyvHzBq Subject: Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:09:41 -0000 On 6:56:26PM, Locksmith wrote: > I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there > is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware > comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts. The handbook is always a good place to start. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/hardware.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/hardware.html > -- > View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Building-a-FreeBSD-desktop-tp5735852.html > Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 02:10:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643E2106566C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:10:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0CA8FC15 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 93499 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2012 02:10:55 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2012 02:10:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=5032ee2f.xn--9vv.k1208; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=wQT8p0jh8jOENwJ7y8lHuSaZ2R+GBXit6JlrE1WHM1E=; b=YVjvZ/oRJxI0Y8BvnHdwsYT+b+rwjnCv6H1OG4eP8iDmvsXtz32lUPVhGTde4w2hpoldAexC2I501BdOhfhgFQJYlV1RRm+1KUhRWR2caPnYOCEQGnkARUjJDoyodbyW/XrRitABW0PkDAK78EiUeyWcSx+NOFns3lDpm41gDkQ= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 21 Aug 2012 02:10:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20120821021033.31612.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: johnl@iecc.com Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:10:57 -0000 >> Are you running pecl-APC? If so, what version? There's a major issue with the >> latest. > >Hmmn, that might have been it. > >I backed down to 5.3, but when I have a chance I'll try 5.4 again without >APC. Tried it without APC, didn't help. We're back to the theory that there's something in PHP 5.4.5 that builds OK on 9.0 but not on 8.x. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 02:50:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1244D106566B for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tyler@tristatesafeandlock.com) Received: from p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8B648FC08 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20453 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2012 02:43:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.102.165.222) by p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.193.108) with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2012 02:43:36 -0000 From: Tyler Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) Message-Id: <074893D2-754C-4660-9E52-E8CC504E7FF1@tristatesafeandlock.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:43:35 -0400 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Building a computer for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:50:17 -0000 Is there a list of parts for building a personal computer or do you just rea= d through the hardware list? Tyler Tri-State Safe and Lock 570-832-0277= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 03:30:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2038106564A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950B08FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so14232111obb.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:30:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ObJYBqu0s1cgnty9kKfAW6jQQ2ljvlXrTP1vu9Y4EIk=; b=uu5i+PsuvVniCCVUpYdCW8kEpoRvr798xfcfdOOdjvFpp/EEDHsd8h1OciyZao/QPQ G9x8P3eAVVJBmBKb4aq3yhMOYNl7NEGv8eZmHz3dfKATuWhhvsapGCTn+n1XSeoGfMuo BZD8viMTbGJmLqkJBnlRUxd2Xf8UKav5cJ7qmInMRZLqCktLutQyXjvu5kwMOjldYHA2 k15JXn5Ors7hYZh2tTMsb12E/U5pyCnVhFTqe6HVGGMGIjbW4b654owF8n6CtiKLxA1K zY2vLO8IGzJmjCezGnFT1zt8Im65l8PimbpSQ/jMR7XnRk2dNrCZc01g2V9lGHXLPYMG XRyw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.29.164 with SMTP id l4mr12320942oeh.4.1345519846896; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.83.130 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:30:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <074893D2-754C-4660-9E52-E8CC504E7FF1@tristatesafeandlock.com> References: <074893D2-754C-4660-9E52-E8CC504E7FF1@tristatesafeandlock.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:30:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Tyler Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Building a computer for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 03:30:47 -0000 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Tyler Campbell < tyler@tristatesafeandlock.com> wrote: > Is there a list of parts for building a personal computer or do you just > read through the hardware list? > Usually everything works on standard consumer hardware...defer to big name where possible eg intel. The usual hotspots are video(use Nvidia for path of least resistance/most performance) and brand new hardware. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 04:13:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D788106564A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:13:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesp@musicreports.com) Received: from mri-mail.musicreports.com (smtp-relay.musicreports.com [38.98.50.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FE58FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mri-mail.musicreports.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B34B5688044; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:13:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mri-mail.musicreports.com Received: from mri-mail.musicreports.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mri-mail.musicreports.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QJr1m2obXl7O; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mri-mail.musicreports.com (mri-mail.musicreports.com [192.168.20.65]) by mri-mail.musicreports.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E6C568800D; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "James D. Parra" To: Locksmith Message-ID: <1552740774.89081.1345522411775.JavaMail.root@mri-mail> In-Reply-To: <1345514186435-5735852.post@n5.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [192.168.10.70] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.15_GA_2995 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Linux)/6.0.15_GA_2995) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:13:39 -0000 I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If don't want to make the full commitment to building a desktop, a good way to learn about FreeBSD is to install within a virtual machine. Either VMWare or VirtualBox will serve you well. Best regards, James From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 05:12:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2F5106564A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:12:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAC58FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AMD620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7L5Bknn013183; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:11:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:14:53 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Tyler Campbell Message-ID: <20120821121453.79db4755@AMD620.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <074893D2-754C-4660-9E52-E8CC504E7FF1@tristatesafeandlock.com> References: <074893D2-754C-4660-9E52-E8CC504E7FF1@tristatesafeandlock.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Building a computer for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 05:12:12 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:43:35 -0400 Tyler Campbell wrote: > Is there a list of parts for building a personal computer or do you > just read through the hardware list? if you use big names like Asus, nothing should go wrong. I would avoid Intel's integrated graphics. As the support for it is not as advanced as for other graphic solutions, this could give you the wrong impression. I use an AMD CPU in an older Asus motherboard with nVidea graphic solution without much problems. These things are on the lower side of the price spectrum. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 06:30:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A0A1065678 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5B98FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7L6UV49001157; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:30:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7L6UVdP001151; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:30:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com X-X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: "James D. Parra" In-Reply-To: <1552740774.89081.1345522411775.JavaMail.root@mri-mail> Message-ID: References: <1552740774.89081.1345522411775.JavaMail.root@mri-mail> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Locksmith Subject: Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:30:39 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, James D. Parra wrote: > I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if there > is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware > comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > If don't want to make the full commitment to building a desktop, a good way to learn about FreeBSD is to install within a virtual machine. Either VMWare or VirtualBox will serve you well. > If you have a system you want to try you can also check out http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 06:56:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224491065670 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:56:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D758FC19 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qatn12 with SMTP id n12so3926106qat.13 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=jFNbK6FJ2wjVpkE4xnUuE53VNXaxi7zfxe4NzLA4eKU=; b=mFgx3bpVuyJ3v9kmpb13+/idsd7ebcAQKIZPJ+zRorSlRN1Ke062uiREyQJMp9SYcr yqyf4gUpU6j1MjdS9Do2ngXHxHjDStHXHCR4Kawiobfh8knoL+JjAvOMVvqcFoQwOjcY 6oivJfy3vDs3GdM0RXEQ5Vmg8EEZw5fcz35jzO4r3WH+j1JbbQHBroaBTS48PVtGED8W 7nKaCOGM3z/NrgG3lXRZWgHY1vXgR51i/0KMOjvriOn8KQsN09aj5hqYlfn7PkuGCR5b GhkKNiddyJhTQKa/KUT36iXtklrd7cJ4iRBLntsKFu6lueqHw4Xw5EYtHTXJqtj9Cc6r Hsbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.69.82 with SMTP id y18mr14166775qci.156.1345532186579; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.72.163 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [174.254.45.157] Received: by 10.49.72.163 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:56:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1552740774.89081.1345522411775.JavaMail.root@mri-mail> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:56:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Brian W." To: doug@fledge.watson.org X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk8etGrLnI78tjxce0UecgzeNUT0VhAv+KBOQ719o7iaH45jMf6nXzzJ/FsWggMAyD2pkrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "James D. Parra" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Locksmith Subject: Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:56:33 -0000 The pcbsd project which uses FreeBSD is another option. On Aug 20, 2012 11:31 PM, wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, James D. Parra wrote: > > I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if >> there >> is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware >> comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> If don't want to make the full commitment to building a desktop, a good >> way to learn about FreeBSD is to install within a virtual machine. Either >> VMWare or VirtualBox will serve you well. >> >> If you have a system you want to try you can also check out > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/**freebsd/index.html > . > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 07:27:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DB31065672 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:27:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CD48FC08 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl7 with SMTP id l7so6822290yen.13 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:27:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=yBTcBw1y9RuT0AQGVRonCvSdRtocRh54zfuhVK5hIuw=; b=yNELcuKSCet68cloufaakWz6EFWMgeUQZ9PAMoPlOla8R6CcRSQbV7FOqloWgMnkee /dU3+w3+XbYLVistWpXt5SMqOc6xN7krXcf4utPjxL6jrkuTcSY/2lyIGcIzyOgmxhB0 xAnzDRe5pzlAoNBNyvI/nLsw0Pzg5CJHpumpKieHpZy/XMWcyvJZfgZMU++BwgmNkIRh tS436RQY/j1SlQfv/t9uEp4shI5IcolRuRSHSq607Sx4Uq1bltDjgO6Ba1OZO/lonHTV ioxjtSPxka8uuzx/RuoA2Mp9VC3m4fY7aFRJxhbv/KDdtZks/4UGiLht15eAXT0yDwOZ Qk3A== Received: by 10.50.187.228 with SMTP id fv4mr12479304igc.37.1345534049420; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:27:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.39.70 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:26:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120820164613.77448.qmail@joyce.lan> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:26:49 +0300 Message-ID: To: "John R. Levine" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:27:31 -0000 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:42 PM, John R. Levine wrote: > Good thought, I just did that. Results: >>> >>> php5.3: works fine as far as I can tell >>> >>> php5.4: fails in random ways >>> >>> This suggests there is a bug in 5.4 which only is apparent on FreeBSD >>> 8.x. >>> I note that the packages for 8.x have gone away on the distribution >>> server, >>> so I expect they're not regression testing 8.x any more >>> >> >> Packages?? >> >> It's better for you to use the ports tree! >> > > Ahem. If you will review the messages to which you were responding, you > will note that yes, I did build everything from the ports tree. My point > is that since they're not building 8.3 packages any more, they're not > validating updated ports against 8.3 any more. > > Sorry, you confused me there a little, by talking about packages. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 08:03:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E318106566B for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hans@beastielabs.net) Received: from mail.beastielabs.net (beasties.demon.nl [82.161.3.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38488FC08 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from merom.hotsoft.nl (merom.hotsoft.nl [192.168.0.12]) by mail.beastielabs.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7L7xGeP023876; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:59:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hans@beastielabs.net) Message-ID: <50333FD4.4000305@beastielabs.net> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:59:16 +0200 From: Hans Ottevanger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120728 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Felder References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jb , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:03:46 -0000 On 08/20/12 16:42, Mark Felder wrote: > Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice > we've survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very good > reading for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's worth > mentioning that this is snowballing quickly. I used to really like some > Linux distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for 3 years now > and after watching Linux change in those 3 years from this distance I'm > not sure I want to go back. Everything that originally excited me about > *nix operating systems is gone; it's a big convoluted mess now. This > isn't a good sign and I hope someone has the sense enough to stand their > ground and tell RedHat/Poettering "NO". > > > TEAR DOWN THIS WALL, MR GORB^H^H^H^HPOETTERING I had the honor to meet that Mr. Poettering in person at a conference a while ago and tried to discuss the portability issues caused by the imminent proliferation of an over-engineered and unnecessary subsystem like systemd. My conclusion was that the guy talks a lot and never listens (mirroring his on-line behavior) and in general is a type of guy I had rather see in the enemy camp, instead of in the ranks of a (in my case) valued business partner. Also, he appears to have practically free reign within Red Hat, where currently nobody seems to have a clear overview of the OS related issues and system initialization is considered a minor technical feature. So I don't think you should expect Mr. Poettering to tear down any walls any time soon 8-) I can only hope that FreeBSD and the leftover systemd averse Linux distros can prevent higher level subsystems (like Xorg, KDE, Xfce, etc) to depend too much on current and future systemd features. Maybe this is an opportunity for the mostly invisible core team of FreeBSD to publicly take a position here, if only to take away concerns of users with respect to systemd portability issues in the future. Kind regards, Hans Ottevanger From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 09:38:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43333106566C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:38:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [213.251.152.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027428FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [213.251.152.9]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2749AF9E; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:32:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.8.0 (20120630) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([213.251.152.9]) by newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [213.251.152.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id O0GE_XvmGobB; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:32:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E518E9AF98 ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:32:56 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: bsd In-Reply-To: <20120821021033.31612.qmail@joyce.lan> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:32:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120821021033.31612.qmail@joyce.lan> To: John Levine X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:38:59 -0000 Le 21 ao=FBt 2012 =E0 04:10, John Levine a =E9crit : >>> Are you running pecl-APC? If so, what version? There's a major issue = with the=20 >>> latest. >>=20 >> Hmmn, that might have been it. >>=20 >> I backed down to 5.3, but when I have a chance I'll try 5.4 again = without=20 >> APC. >=20 > Tried it without APC, didn't help. We're back to the theory that = there's > something in PHP 5.4.5 that builds OK on 9.0 but not on 8.x. I suggest that you start with a fresh "php.ini" file in order to have up = to date values.=20 If you have compiled it with cli, you can post the output of php -v here = so we can figure out more precisely what is going on with your install=85=20= I am running PHP 5.4.5 on 7.4 without problem - I had problem upon = install, but they all came from php.ini not beeing up to date (AFAIR).=20= Thx.=20 >=20 > R's, > John > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96= =96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96 ---------> Gr=E9gory Bernard Director <--------- ---------------> www.osnet.eu <--------------- --> Your provider of OpenSource appliances <-- =96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96= =96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96=96 OSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetOSnetO From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 11:39:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6710F1065723 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E0C8FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6 (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7LBZkqb057166; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:35:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:27:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: doug@fledge.watson.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1552740774.89081.1345522411775.JavaMail.root@mri-mail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20120821 #7754249, check: 20120821 clean Cc: "James D. Parra" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Locksmith Subject: Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:39:59 -0000 On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, doug@safeport.com wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, James D. Parra wrote: > >> I was looking to build a desktop to learn FreeBSD and was wondering if >> there >> is a list of parts to build one or to just look at the hardware >> comparability list? I just don't want to order wrong parts. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> If don't want to make the full commitment to building a desktop, a good way >> to learn about FreeBSD is to install within a virtual machine. Either >> VMWare or VirtualBox will serve you well. >> > If you have a system you want to try you can also check out > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html. That is a great resource for laptops, too bad it isn't mentioned in the Handbook compatibility chapter. We have purchased many desktop motherboards for FreeBSD over the years, from Intel, Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI and others. None mentioned FreeBSD compatibility, none was on any list promising FreeBSD compatibility and none has failed to boot and run well. That said, rarely the onboard ethernet has not been recognized and we had to add a PCI NIC until the next version of FreeBSD included the proper drivers. No NIC has ever been incompatible in our experience. We have not ever tested APM or ACPI, and if you follow the newsgroup you will know that those are sometimes problematic. Notice how few laptops support APM or ACPI with FreeBSD. Also, while onboard video has always worked for us, some people will notice that the drivers do not always provide the full performance available in Windows. We have not found the Handbook compatibility list very helpful. The list is mostly by chip, which card vendors don't mention in their literature. It would be nice to see a list of currently available products, by retail model number. That doesn't exist as far as I can tell. So it comes down mostly to your feelings about those issues. If you will be upset by less than optimal 3D graphics perforance, there is a risk. Otherwise, don't worry. But why order parts? If you want to learn FreeBSD, just take any old windows box and install FreeBSD over the existing windows install. It will work fine and won't cost you anything. daniel feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 06:11:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE18F106564A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ganglord@asia.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE6AD8FC0C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 32435 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 2012 06:11:37 -0000 Received: from 98.193.8.119 by rms-us014 with HTTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:11:35 -0400 From: "blank blank" Message-ID: <20120821061135.210970@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Authenticated: #140916369 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer x-registered: 0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: wENBcA0z3zOl2PBVDXwhGRV+IGRvb8Dv X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:40:23 +0000 Cc: Subject: start kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:11:46 -0000 i am beginning to question how computers work. i am using darwin 10.0.0. is there a place or way that i can get a thoroughly commented kernel of this version of unix so that i can learn from it and ask inteligent questions. i think this would be a good place to start from. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 12:01:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815221065672 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAA58FC21 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2012 08:01:39 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BXR75810; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:01:39 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Neutral identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2012 08:01:39 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20531.30882.463073.912347@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:01:38 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <1552740774.89081.1345522411775.JavaMail.root@mri-mail> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:01:41 -0000 Daniel Feenberg writes: > But why order parts? If you want to learn FreeBSD, just take any > old windows box and install FreeBSD over the existing windows > install. It will work fine and won't cost you anything. This was (close to) my gut reaction. If all you want it the learning experience, any machine made in the last 10 (15?) years that can install Windows can probably install FreeBSD. If/when you get past that and want (e,g,) a: high performance gaming box file server router/firewall high availability web server ... now we're talking about specific hardware. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 13:04:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90C1106566C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933FD8FC17 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7LD459p090545; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:04:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7LD432h090542; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:04:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:04:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <20120821121453.79db4755@AMD620.ovitrap.com> Message-ID: References: <074893D2-754C-4660-9E52-E8CC504E7FF1@tristatesafeandlock.com> <20120821121453.79db4755@AMD620.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Tyler Campbell Subject: Re: Building a computer for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:04:06 -0000 On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Erich Dollansky wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:43:35 -0400 > Tyler Campbell wrote: > >> Is there a list of parts for building a personal computer or do you >> just read through the hardware list? > > if you use big names like Asus, nothing should go wrong. > > I would avoid Intel's integrated graphics. As the support for it is not > as advanced as for other graphic solutions, this could give you the > wrong impression. Huh? On FreeBSD, Intel video is the only one that supports KMS, the latest thing in xorg. Of course the Intel video is not the fastest, but that's due to the hardware. AMD/ATI Radeon HDs up to the 4000-series support acceleration with FreeBSD's version of xorg. 4650 and 4850 cards are suggested. The NVidia cards are also used by many, and reportedly their binary-only driver offers higher performance than other options. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 13:16:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6B9106566C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D52E8FC0C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AMD620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7LDFumF016582; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:16:01 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:19:05 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20120821201905.14f3d87e@AMD620.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: <074893D2-754C-4660-9E52-E8CC504E7FF1@tristatesafeandlock.com> <20120821121453.79db4755@AMD620.ovitrap.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Tyler Campbell Subject: Re: Building a computer for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:16:08 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:43:35 -0400 > > Tyler Campbell wrote: > > > >> Is there a list of parts for building a personal computer or do you > >> just read through the hardware list? > > > > if you use big names like Asus, nothing should go wrong. > > > > I would avoid Intel's integrated graphics. As the support for it is > > not as advanced as for other graphic solutions, this could give you > > the wrong impression. > > Huh? On FreeBSD, Intel video is the only one that supports KMS, the will the limitations help a beginner? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 13:21:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938AA106564A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFB78FC17 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (pD9FBFF30.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.255.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q7LDLmvh061080; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:21:48 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7LDLalq022598; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:21:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7LDLOBY016290; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:21:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201208211321.q7LDLOBY016290@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "blank blank" From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:11:35 EDT." <20120821061135.210970@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:21:24 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: start kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:21:58 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: "blank blank" > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:11:35 -0400 > Message-id: <20120821061135.210970@gmx.com> "blank blank" wrote: > i am beginning to question how computers work. > i am using darwin 10.0.0. > is there a place or way that i can get a thoroughly commented kernel of this version of unix so that i can learn from it and ask inteligent questions. > i think this would be a good place to start from. FreeBSD (& other BSDs & Linuxes all) offer full sources on web & ftp sites. See http://www.freebsd.org & download. There's various books. Books are inevitably behind (older than) the latest sources. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from Yahoo & Hotmail to be dumped @Berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 13:26:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01F5106566C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:26:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6EA8FC08 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:26:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 28310288; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:26:09 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7LDQ8jX038230; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:26:08 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7LDQ8Ar038229; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:26:08 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:26:08 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120821132608.GA38107@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <50326EE4.4000002@gmail.com> <20120820174233.GC17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120820174233.GC17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Yuri Pankov Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:26:12 -0000 Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > Try games/deng. > > This one would not run out of the box either: Yuri, you are the maintainer of the games/deng port. What great luck! I have contacted the deng forum about deng not working and they said the software is too old: http://dengine.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1176 Do you care to update the port, perhaps the new deng will work? > > [sudakov@vas ~] deng -game jdoom -file tmp/DOOM.WAD > Z_Create: New 32.0 MB memory volume. > determineGlobalPaths: Base path = /usr/local/share/deng/ > Con_Init: Initializing the console. > Executable: Version 1.9.0-beta6.9 Aug 21 2012 (DGL). > Sys_InitWindowManager: Using SDL window management. > While opening dynamic library > /usr/local/lib/libjdoom.so: > /usr/local/lib/libjdoom.so: Undefined symbol "Con_AddCommand" > loadGamePlugin: Loading of libjdoom.so failed ((null)). > Error loading game library.Z_Shutdown: Used 1 volumes, total 33554432 > bytes. > [sudakov@vas ~] -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 13:32:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8325B1065676 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (relay2.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81578FC23 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:32:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.93.1 for FreeBSD at relay2.tomsk.ru Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (account sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.125.240] verified) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPSA id 28310326 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:32:03 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7LDW2QJ038337 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:32:02 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7LDW1av038336 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:32:01 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:32:01 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120821133201.GB38107@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> References: <20120820142432.GA14816@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820180628.b3e3f552.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120820170517.GA17147@admin.sibptus.tomsk.ru> <20120820191617.66efd947.freebsd@edvax.de> <50328458.4020504@puresimplicity.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50328458.4020504@puresimplicity.net> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.livejournal.com/pubkey.bml?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: doom, quake, hexen... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:32:05 -0000 Josh Tolbert wrote: > games/quake2max is a good one...At least it was years ago when I tried > it. I see nothing in the Makefile that will prevent it from building on > amd64. > Josh, I must be especially out of luck, it dumps core. Script started on Tue Aug 21 20:29:49 2012 [sudakov@vas ~] quake2max^M Added packfile /usr/local/share/quake2/baseq2/pak0.pak (1106 files) Added packfile /usr/local/lib/quake2max/baseq2/maxpak.pak (118 files) Using '/home/sudakov/.quake2/baseq2' for writing. execing default.cfg couldn't exec maxconfig Console initialized. ------- sound initialization ------- sound sampling rate: 44100 ------------------------------------ ------- Loading rfx_glx.so ------- LoadLibrary("/usr/local/lib/quake2max/rfx_glx.so") rfx_gl version: GL 0.01 ... Using stencil buffer Initializing OpenGL display ...setting fullscreen mode 3: 640 480 Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2 Using hardware gamma GL_VENDOR: Tungsten Graphics, Inc GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Sandybridge Desktop GL_VERSION: 2.1 Mesa 7.11.2 GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_ARB_multisample GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_color GL_EXT_blend_logic_op GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_b ...allowing CDS ...enabling GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array ...using GL_EXT_point_parameters ...using GL_ARB_multitexture ...GL_SGIS_multitexture not found ...using GL_ARB_texture_env_combine ...GL_NV_texture_shader not found ...using GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap ...ignoring GL_ARB_texture_compression Segmentation fault (core dumped) [sudakov@vas ~] exit Script done on Tue Aug 21 20:30:06 2012 -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN sip:sudakov@sibptus.tomsk.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 13:37:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD6A106564A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A138FC08 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBD94B.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.217.75]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q7LDawTc061159; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:36:59 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7LDal0l022689; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:36:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7LDaGBQ016604; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:36:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201208211336.q7LDaGBQ016604@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Daniel Feenberg From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:27:27 EDT." Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:36:16 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: "James D. Parra" , doug@fledge.watson.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Locksmith Subject: Re: Building a FreeBSD desktop. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:37:08 -0000 > > If you have a system you want to try you can also check out > > http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/index.html. > > > That is a great resource for laptops, too bad it isn't mentioned in the > Handbook compatibility chapter. Suggestion: send-pr Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from Yahoo & Hotmail to be dumped @Berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 15:08:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FF6106567A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF3A8FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7LF8l0Q091217; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7LF8kxo091214; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:08:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <20120821201905.14f3d87e@AMD620.ovitrap.com> Message-ID: References: <074893D2-754C-4660-9E52-E8CC504E7FF1@tristatesafeandlock.com> <20120821121453.79db4755@AMD620.ovitrap.com> <20120821201905.14f3d87e@AMD620.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Tyler Campbell Subject: Re: Building a computer for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:08:48 -0000 On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:04:03 -0600 (MDT) > Warren Block wrote: > >> On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:43:35 -0400 >>> Tyler Campbell wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a list of parts for building a personal computer or do you >>>> just read through the hardware list? >>> >>> if you use big names like Asus, nothing should go wrong. >>> >>> I would avoid Intel's integrated graphics. As the support for it is >>> not as advanced as for other graphic solutions, this could give you >>> the wrong impression. >> >> Huh? On FreeBSD, Intel video is the only one that supports KMS, the > > will the limitations help a beginner? The lack of console switching, you mean? For a desktop machine, probably not seriously. Certainly the support for new Intel video hardware would be an advantage. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 15:27:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9D0106579A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A738FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 0F49E472BFF for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:27:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6636E386643 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:27:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:27:28 +0200 Message-Id: <201208211727.AA529531400@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Len Conrad " X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: Problem with r-o access in jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:27:40 -0000 Want a nullfs filesystem to be read-only for tech people to search-only maillog files. host machine's files: /var/log/mx1/maillog* files the maillog files are all 644 and r bit is set all along the path using ezjail jail root is /var/jails jail name is fixit mkdir -p /var/jails/fixit/mx1 fixit/mx1 dir has 644 and r bit is set all along the path mount_nullfs -o ro /var/log/mx1 /var/jails/fixit/mx1 "ezjail-admin console fixit" as fixit jail root user I add a user fixit:fixit ssh logon to fixit jail's ip as user fixit ll /mx1 gives nothing but: ls: maillog.45.bz2: Permission denied ls: maillog.46.bz2: Permission denied ls: maillog.47.bz2: Permission denied ls: maillog.48.bz2: Permission denied ls: maillog.49.bz2: Permission denied ls: maillog.5.bz2: Permission denied ls: maillog.50.bz2: Permission denied ls: maillog.51.bz2: Permission denied ezjail-admin console fixit ...shows the /mx1/maillog* files all to be 644 If move the jail fixit user from group fixit to group wheel, user fixit has access to /mx1/maillog* files. suggestions? thanks, Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 15:47:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2AC106564A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from basarevych@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2258FC15 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaak11 with SMTP id k11so2676100eaa.13 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:47:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iBy30dNV3Ub7krOIf6MrGlQscMDcJEm/CNJl4ldTzRw=; b=GtYqQOrt7T3Amvs9UsGc8uLtutF7l7d3K7jZ9vm8lZSk8+/8IijWmzyia6Tg+tF9v6 JcvpWBw4odpZBIyIjg/gill1yzgsRs7IVJFvzLi3mbUWiM1Nlccgjv/LQ3nQ6MzHwHQS yLoF/+o8yLD7odHrvsG6DF103bDzikX5zeK1N8WXnGij5qUxPfneK3XYYNSrtUAob3Fj xYCw91g04wf43FVNFdJhmXvWjbY/Xl1MNmPGruvq+W+3Ou4yUWJoI1KPg9tJZQAx3pxw 0cQRRHJsfVhS8JkJrf4RwKgEiesZGOjJGz9S++pPrR/8mhXEnziJcwrS/zirw+mSSAnN tqow== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.181.132 with SMTP id l4mr14253250eem.17.1345564045892; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.1.129 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:47:25 +0300 Message-ID: From: Ross To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: ruby: Cannot create main thread X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:47:32 -0000 Hi I have an old machine running 7.3-STABLE. I tried to install portupgrade from ports, but installation failed on ruby dependency with message "Cannot create main thread". I then just pkg_add'ed ruby. Now when I simply run "ruby" in the console it dies with the same message. What could be the reason? How do I make it work? KERNCONF file: include GENERIC ident MASCOT # To make an SMP kernel, the next line is needed options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel device intpm device smbus device smb options IPFIREWALL # Firewall options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE # Print information about options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD options IPSTEALTH # Support stealth forwarding options IPDIVERT # Divert IP sockets options DUMMYNET # Bandwidth limiter # netgraph options options HZ=1000 options NETGRAPH options NETGRAPH_PPPOE options NETGRAPH_SOCKET options NETGRAPH_CISCO options NETGRAPH_ECHO options NETGRAPH_FRAME_RELAY options NETGRAPH_HOLE options NETGRAPH_KSOCKET options NETGRAPH_LMI options NETGRAPH_RFC1490 options NETGRAPH_TTY options NETGRAPH_ASYNC options NETGRAPH_BPF options NETGRAPH_ETHER options NETGRAPH_IFACE options NETGRAPH_KSOCKET options NETGRAPH_L2TP options NETGRAPH_MPPC_ENCRYPTION options NETGRAPH_PPP options NETGRAPH_PPTPGRE options NETGRAPH_TEE options NETGRAPH_UI options NETGRAPH_VJC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 15:54:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F71106564A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:54:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA458FC15; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7LFsFRb018775; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <5033AF26.8030201@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:54:14 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org References: <20120818120030.D526210657A8@hub.freebsd.org> <20120820005007.T33776@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <50314BB0.2010501@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <50314BB0.2010501@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:54:16 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Matthew Seaman , Ian Smith , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0 release hang in quiescent X [Solved] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:54:23 -0000 Having run for a couple of days now without problems, I'm guardedly optimistic I've solved this problem. It appears the problem had nothing to do with screen blanking. The solution was to disable memory mapping in BIOS, whose purpose is to recover the memory addresses reserved for hardware in old PC architectures. It means some memory will never be used, but that's better than a hang. http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20110131214116581&board_id=1&model=M4A89TD+PRO%2fUSB3&page=1&SLanguage=en-us Gary On 08/19/12 14:25, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 08/19/12 10:11, Ian Smith wrote: >> In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 428, Issue 7, Message: 4 >> On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:51:07 -0600 Gary Aitken wrote: >> > On 08/16/12 00:04, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> > > On 16/08/2012 05:45, Gary Aitken wrote: >> > ... >> > >> Running 9.0 release on an amd 64 box, standard kernel, 16GB, SSD (/, >> > >> /usr, /var, /tmp) + HDDs, visiontek 900331 graphics card (ati radeon >> > >> hd5550). >> > >> >> > >> As long as I am using the system, things seem to be fine. However, >> > >> when I leave the system idle for an extended period of time (e.g. >> > >> overnight, out for the day, etc.), it often refuses to return from >> > >> whatever state it is in. The screen is blank and in standby for >> > >> power saving, and Fn won't get me a console prompt. The >> > >> only way I know to recover is to power off and reboot. >> > ... >> > >> Can someone suggest a good way to proceed to figure out what's going >> > >> on? >> > > >> > > Can you get network access to the machine when it gets into this state? >> > >> > I enabled remote logins and when the system hangs, I can neither log >> > in nor ping it. I can do both of those prior to a hang. >> >> Hi Gary. Please wrap text less than 80 columns on freebsd lists; I was >> going to reply to a later message but it had got too messy. Turned out >> this one is more useful anyway, so I've taken the liberty .. > > will do. Wasn't sure what was considered the right thing to do, > as I regularly get messages which when quoted run out as single lines. > >> > > As to working out what the underlying cause of the problem is: that's >> > > harder. I'd try experimenting with the power saving settings for your >> > > graphics display. If you can turn them off as a test, and the machine >> > > then survives for an extended period of idleness, you'll have gone a >> > > long way towards isolating the problem. >> >> Have you yet tried turning off any and all power saving settings, until >> your monitor quits blanking/suspending, and the machine keeps running? > > Doing that test now. > >> The monitor isn't blanking by itself, BIOS suspend & power off settings >> for screen, disk etc shouldn't affect a running FreeBSD system (but turn >> them off anyway!) - so we're left with something you've set yourself, >> presumably via your (which?) window manager, which then has Xorg, using >> your hardware's particular driver, do the dirty work on the hardware. > > I'm currently using xfce4. > >> Just that it's not clear you've yet isolated the main suspect. There's >> buggy hardware, buggy ACPI/BIOS implementations, buggy video drivers; it >> makes sense to rule out another hardware problem by leaving video on. > ... >> Something you set is doing it :) If running say KDE, suspects would >> include screen'savers' (as many have mentioned), window manager power >> settings (setting/peripherals/display/powercontrol on kde3), and lastly >> as Warren mentioned, settings for Xorg itself, in xorg.conf (if any). > > It appears the screen blanking is a result of xorg's default 10 min BlankTime default, which I've turned off. > > I found this reference to possible issues with memory hole remapping, > which I will also check into: > > http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20110131214116581&board_id=1&model=M4A89TD+PRO%2fUSB3&page=1&SLanguage=en-us > > That actually seems more likely to be the problem > > Many thanks for your explanations > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 16:22:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4D41065673; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:22:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9748FC16; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q7LGMfuR046335; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:22:41 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:22:41 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Gary Aitken In-Reply-To: <5033AF26.8030201@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: <20120822021018.X33776@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20120818120030.D526210657A8@hub.freebsd.org> <20120820005007.T33776@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <50314BB0.2010501@dreamchaser.org> <5033AF26.8030201@dreamchaser.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0 release hang in quiescent X [Solved] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:22:54 -0000 On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:54:14 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > Having run for a couple of days now without problems, > I'm guardedly optimistic I've solved this problem. > It appears the problem had nothing to do with screen blanking. > The solution was to disable memory mapping in BIOS, > whose purpose is to recover the memory addresses reserved for hardware > in old PC architectures. > It means some memory will never be used, but that's better than a hang. > > http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20110131214116581&board_id=1&model=M4A89TD+PRO%2fUSB3&page=1&SLanguage=en-us That's great news Gary, good hunting. I read that forum post, which did look worth trying. Whether it's a BIOS bug or just something to watch out for I don't know, but it seems to be a trap for the unwary; so many BIOS settings are poorly explained. Those guys were losing 768MB or more, but had plenty to spare. You? I'm still running an older Xorg here, so had no idea about any default 10 minute blanktime. I'll remember that .. [..] cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 16:58:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747B21065673 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lokadamus@gmx.de) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4BC08FC19 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Aug 2012 16:58:51 -0000 Received: from c162222.adsl.hansenet.de (EHLO FBSD.lokilan) [213.39.162.222] by mail.gmx.net (mp040) with SMTP; 21 Aug 2012 18:58:51 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3333826 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/3EVww5sb3xVdFlg3UvcHZi1FXQJ+v5dEkRPn2nh jC7E7YRAXXwtVe Message-ID: <5033BE4B.6050505@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:58:51 +0200 From: "lokadamus@gmx.de" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120505 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: prab@sanciai.lt References: <20120817075520.146211869cmcgqm0@webmail.k-mail.lt> In-Reply-To: <20120817075520.146211869cmcgqm0@webmail.k-mail.lt> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-13; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Double boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 16:58:54 -0000 i had same error after some updates and fixed it with fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0/device/ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html On 08/17/12 06:55, prab@sanciai.lt wrote: > Hello, > I have installed FreeBSD 8.3 to Toshiba Satellite besides Windows XP. > Unix boots ok, but I can't reach Windows anymore! > It shows: > F1 Win > F2 FreeBSD > > F6 PXE > Boot F1 > - > > If I press F1, it stays hanging forever. > I'm relatively new to FreeBSD. Please, advise which way to go out > of this situation. When I rerun sysinstall, there is a warning: > "chunk 'ad0s2' [179380224..234441647] does not start on a track boundary" > (the chunk of FreeBSD) How to change the boundary of chunk? CDROM is > not reachable, something happened to it. I can use only FreeBSD > instruments. > Which of them? > Thanks in advance. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 17:10:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B8C1065678 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:10:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB5E8FC15 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T3ryh-0001Ee-50 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:10:55 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.96.198]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:10:55 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:10:55 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:10:56 -0400 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <20120821021033.31612.qmail@joyce.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-96-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Apache 2.2 and php 5.4.5 failing on freebsd 8.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:10:55 -0000 bsd wrote: > > Le 21 août 2012 à 04:10, John Levine a écrit : > >>>> Are you running pecl-APC? If so, what version? There's a major issue >>>> with the latest. >>> >>> Hmmn, that might have been it. >>> >>> I backed down to 5.3, but when I have a chance I'll try 5.4 again >>> without APC. >> >> Tried it without APC, didn't help. We're back to the theory that there's >> something in PHP 5.4.5 that builds OK on 9.0 but not on 8.x. > > I suggest that you start with a fresh "php.ini" file in order to have up > to date values. > > If you have compiled it with cli, you can post the output of php -v here > so we can figure out more precisely what is going on with your install… > > I am running PHP 5.4.5 on 7.4 without problem - I had problem upon > install, but they all came from php.ini not beeing up to date (AFAIR). > I have seen at one time or another a problem with the order modules were loaded in php.ini occur. One thing I noticed is if/when this happens you see modules completely fail to load in the error log, as opposed to module(s) that do load but then segfault when called by PHP code. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 17:30:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABB01065740 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from musikteach@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B4C8FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl7 with SMTP id l7so67719yen.13 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=l4ud1eL62YMBv1EJiWuJGcRT2GmkejjCr45ww958dkw=; b=0+DEqsBD4vkccClIFxP6GWTzeTO44P4KY+STpeD/nlaKUVilQMBo3RAXSPmn1b4ac5 HyebsgdO7ZOK23e+GL+PRCge8zNH8WStqUIWhk+0cjTyym7LPgGHBTUm9mNWY7h0LDvy QHQJmiNuVJrF15MldERboGtY9ax4eVe0flvs4qrgZP7866JJtdXvg1f0b9xZw2zfwLYt Xt+Yzp7ZjMThf/OKMaSHsa08Ock+vIbL2hb1vy9+RSHEedPzPvJSfOQqCgHx1CVGtnt4 ZMFZqRox02+We1nZVTEkxeMi5fhPJqSJaWsW9v533IuGJee4p/+c6/WOhyvlk+ekSavd BmWg== Received: by 10.60.5.129 with SMTP id s1mr13318203oes.85.1345570205037; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip98-163-115-74.dc.dc.cox.net. [98.163.115.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ad9sm1729589obc.8.2012.08.21.10.30.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:30:02 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120821173001.GB5070@stainmore> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Repeaters [off topic] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:30:06 -0000 I'm using a repeater to grab a wireless signal and pass it to my local (wired) lan. For various reasons I won't go into a repeater is, in theory, the best way to do this. However, I'm having trouble finding a repeater that isn't garbage. I've been through 2 Linksys units, both of which required constant reboots and both of which died after almost exactly a year. I tried a Hawking HWREN1 which is still working after slightly more than a year but has trouble with encrypted traffic and also requires frequent reboots. I also tried a Hawking HW2R1, which was much less flaky than the HWREN1 and handled encrypted traffic OK, but died after about 3 months. Since these things cost $100-$140 apiece, it would be cost effective to to pay more for a unit that worked consistently and didn't die after a few months of light use. Has anyone on the list used a repeater that they had good experience with? Bob Hall From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 17:43:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0494B1065686 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (omr6.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7488FC1A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cm-omr3 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7LHhE7u015821 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:43:14 -0400 Authentication-Results: cm-omr3 smtp.user=racerx@makeworld.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authenticated-UID: racerx@makeworld.com Received: from [173.140.202.125] ([173.140.202.125:14616] helo=[173.140.202.125]) by cm-omr3 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id 4E/EB-06256-1B8C3305; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:43:14 -0400 To: "=?utf-8?B?Qm9iIEhhbGw=?=" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4E.EB.06256.1B8C3305@cm-omr3> From: "Chris" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:43:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Repeaters [off topic] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:43:22 -0000 SG93IGFib3V0IG92ZXJsYXlpbmcgdGhlIGx5bmtzeXMgT1Mgd2l0aCBzb21ldGhpbmcgbGlrZSBk ZHdydAoKU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IEhUQy4KCi0tLS0tIFJlcGx5IG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0KRnJvbTog IkJvYiBIYWxsIiA8bXVzaWt0ZWFjaEBnbWFpbC5jb20+CkRhdGU6IFR1ZSwgQXVnIDIxLCAyMDEy IDEyOjMwIHBtClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlcGVhdGVycyBbb2ZmIHRvcGljXQpUbzogPGZyZWVic2QtcXVl c3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnPgoKSSdtIHVzaW5nIGEgcmVwZWF0ZXIgdG8gZ3JhYiBhIHdpcmVs ZXNzIHNpZ25hbCBhbmQgcGFzcyBpdCB0byBteSBsb2NhbAood2lyZWQpIGxhbi4gRm9yIHZhcmlv dXMgcmVhc29ucyBJIHdvbid0IGdvIGludG8gYSByZXBlYXRlciBpcywgaW4KdGhlb3J5LCB0aGUg YmVzdCB3YXkgdG8gZG8gdGhpcy4gSG93ZXZlciwgSSdtIGhhdmluZyB0cm91YmxlIGZpbmRpbmcg YQpyZXBlYXRlciB0aGF0IGlzbid0IGdhcmJhZ2UuIEkndmUgYmVlbiB0aHJvdWdoIDIgTGlua3N5 cyB1bml0cywgYm90aCBvZgp3aGljaCByZXF1aXJlZCBjb25zdGFudCByZWJvb3RzIGFuZCBib3Ro IG9mIHdoaWNoIGRpZWQgYWZ0ZXIgYWxtb3N0CmV4YWN0bHkgYSB5ZWFyLiBJIHRyaWVkIGEgSGF3 a2luZyBIV1JFTjEgd2hpY2ggaXMgc3RpbGwgd29ya2luZyBhZnRlcgpzbGlnaHRseSBtb3JlIHRo YW4gYSB5ZWFyIGJ1dCBoYXMgdHJvdWJsZSB3aXRoIGVuY3J5cHRlZCB0cmFmZmljIGFuZAphbHNv IHJlcXVpcmVzIGZyZXF1ZW50IHJlYm9vdHMuIEkgYWxzbyB0cmllZCBhIEhhd2tpbmcgSFcyUjEs IHdoaWNoIHdhcwptdWNoIGxlc3MgZmxha3kgdGhhbiB0aGUgSFdSRU4xIGFuZCBoYW5kbGVkIGVu Y3J5cHRlZCB0cmFmZmljIE9LLCBidXQKZGllZCBhZnRlciBhYm91dCAzIG1vbnRocy4KClNpbmNl IHRoZXNlIHRoaW5ncyBjb3N0ICQxMDAtJDE0MCBhcGllY2UsIGl0IHdvdWxkIGJlIGNvc3QgZWZm ZWN0aXZlIHRvCnRvIHBheSBtb3JlIGZvciBhIHVuaXQgdGhhdCB3b3JrZWQgY29uc2lzdGVudGx5 IGFuZCBkaWRuJ3QgZGllIGFmdGVyIGEKZmV3IG1vbnRocyBvZiBsaWdodCB1c2UuIEhhcyBhbnlv bmUgb24gdGhlIGxpc3QgdXNlZCBhIHJlcGVhdGVyIHRoYXQKdGhleSBoYWQgZ29vZCBleHBlcmll bmNlIHdpdGg/CgpCb2IgSGFsbApfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fXwpmcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9uc0BmcmVlYnNkLm9yZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKaHR0 cDovL2xpc3RzLmZyZWVic2Qub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnMK VG8gdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUsIHNlbmQgYW55IG1haWwgdG8gImZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zLXVuc3Vi c2NyaWJlQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnIgoK From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 18:59:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B439106566C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253D28FC17 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7LIxsoR019599; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <5033DAA8.1050002@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:59:52 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Smith References: <20120818120030.D526210657A8@hub.freebsd.org> <20120820005007.T33776@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <50314BB0.2010501@dreamchaser.org> <5033AF26.8030201@dreamchaser.org> <20120822021018.X33776@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: <20120822021018.X33776@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0 release hang in quiescent X [Solved] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:59:55 -0000 On 08/21/12 10:22, Ian Smith wrote: > Those guys were losing 768MB or more, but had plenty to spare. You? 16G so not a big problem, but that doesn't mean I like giving it away... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 20:02:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FC0106564A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:02:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8759C8FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700DE2784E; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7LK1xCg001932; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:02:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:01:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "lokadamus@gmx.de" Message-Id: <20120821220159.783d65be.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5033BE4B.6050505@gmx.de> References: <20120817075520.146211869cmcgqm0@webmail.k-mail.lt> <5033BE4B.6050505@gmx.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: prab@sanciai.lt, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Double boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:02:07 -0000 On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:58:51 +0200, lokadamus@gmx.de wrote: > i had same error after some updates and fixed it with > > fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0/device/ ^ ^ lokademus malquoted command. rectify. :-) The source you've provided at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/boot-blocks.html mentions: # fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 device where "device" is the boot device where the MBR should be written to (e. g. /dev/ad0). Either /boot/mbr or /boot/boot0 can be passed as -b parameter, installing a standard MBR or the boot0 boot manager. See "man fdisk" for details, as well as "man boot0cfg". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 20:38:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCF3106566B for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4976C8FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31391 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 2012 20:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2012 20:37:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=WKQSsmU78aUHkrNEul9Zidq+vqWd9Ds2Mx5AIsW2ItQ=; b=hhhEIu49ZSS90qYDSmhc2yDd5rEdGD6XHBFztbl+HDiimH8UQ4kK4xTmdsIOkc72Nk9TNMRqisTirqa2WneWPmY8gPWy6mwF1Tobp+k3lz4b4lbZaPgrbY1AV7lbTsJC; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=60530 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T3vCh-0001jy-VB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:37:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 14:37:35 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120821203735.GB24554@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:38:05 -0000 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:42:32AM -0500, Mark Felder wrote: > Those in on the core teams here are very well aware. Did you notice > we've survived this long without ALSA? :-) However, this is very > good reading for anyone who hasn't looked at Linux lately, and it's > worth mentioning that this is snowballing quickly. I used to really > like some Linux distros. I've been working closely with FreeBSD for > 3 years now and after watching Linux change in those 3 years from > this distance I'm not sure I want to go back. Everything that > originally excited me about *nix operating systems is gone; it's a > big convoluted mess now. This isn't a good sign and I hope someone > has the sense enough to stand their ground and tell > RedHat/Poettering "NO". > > > TEAR DOWN THIS WALL, MR GORB^H^H^H^HPOETTERING Hallelujah. Poettering and his ilk represent the gravest threat to the Linux ecosystem I've ever seen. I switched from Debian to FreeBSD in late 2005 or early 2006, having not touched FreeBSD much before that. Early the year before last year, I got a laptop and discovered that I should have paid more attention to what I was buying, because at the time FreeBSD didn't support the laptop's graphics. I thought "Well, Debian isn't as nice as FreeBSD, but it was pretty good, so I'll use that." Ever since then, I've spent uncounted hours writing hackish wrapper code to paper over the disaster area that is system management in the Linux world now. I wrote an article for TechRepublic about some of my experiences (and other gripes about the Linux world after five years away from it) titled "NetworkManager, the Fifth Horseman of the Apocalinux". The more we can avoid code written by Poettering and anything remotely like it, the better off we will be, I'm sure. Luckily, he wants to help us; he has stated that he believes writing quality, portable code somehow hinders "innovation", and as such he goes out of his way to avoid portability concerns. Good riddance. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 20:49:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1EB106566C for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6DB8FC0A for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E0339822; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:49:23 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id vHZ7QAbfWv8j; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:48:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix, from userid 80) id AD6E43982E; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:48:56 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 76.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee (76.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee [90.190.20.76]) by webmail.raad.tartu.ee (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:48:56 +0300 Message-ID: <20120821234856.45844cc8ph3r708w@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:48:56 +0300 From: Toomas Aas To: Lars Eighner References: <20120717145613.20783z1jrv0xapyc@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3.7) X-Originating-IP: 90.190.20.76 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Twitter.com is loading slowly" after updating to Firefox 13.0.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:49:30 -0000 Tue, 17 Jul 2012 kirjutas Lars Eighner : > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Toomas Aas wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> I'm having this problem on two different computers, one running >> 8.3-STABLE and the other running 9.0-STABLE. After updating Firefox >> from 12.0 to 13.0.1, whenever I access twitter.com, I can log in >> but after that a message appears saying that "Twitter.com is >> loading slowly", and the site is practically unusable - clicking on >> any of the links has no effect. > > If you do not know that there is something in firefox (now 13ish) which you > must have, deinstall it and install firefox-esr (now 10ish). I was away from my computer for the past month, but now that I returned and replaced Firefox 13.0.1 with 10.0.6 ESR, twitter.com is again behaving normally for me. I'd like to thank everyone who recommended ESR in this thread -- Toomas Aas twitter.com/toomasaas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 21:09:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108A0106571E for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kickbsd@yandex.ru) Received: from forward18.mail.yandex.net (forward18.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1402::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682E28FC12 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web15g.yandex.ru (web15g.yandex.ru [95.108.252.115]) by forward18.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 238B51780FCF for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:09:43 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web15g.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id D7DF91D68055; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:09:42 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1345583382; bh=dMKAAccgqTldQjBnzo6OlQLfkiNJRmLxoTNCMEtLWRw=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-Id: Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type; b=lbB8Ay2gcsowDkfyEX7Cx6CJtyiHVJql18dEc3JTtdKDM5HdbKRg2Ocf2XHk5qFOM H3IaliM+U1ZRk4Y9LHiTWl+EWow+LRXAljD7WW+F4wtjIQCRL3/VONSZKm+K5NFLoU JGjmy3vh96z8mE1wU1DIrCGVdoacx2IhCdfTTv8U= Received: from dsl-69-172-89-127.acanac.net (dsl-69-172-89-127.acanac.net [69.172.89.127]) by web15g.yandex.ru with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:09:41 +0400 From: Darren Baginski To: FreeBSD Mailing List In-Reply-To: <797511345222487@web30h.yandex.ru> References: <797511345222487@web30h.yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <937741345583381@web15g.yandex.ru> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:09:41 +0400 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: ToS marking in pf X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:09:45 -0000 17.08.2012, 20:54, "Darren Baginski" : > Hi list! > > Could you please point me how can I set DSCP/TOS bits for outgoing packets using pf ? > I would like to mark all packets going to the specific port marked with DSCP CS3. > Can't believe no one is aware.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 23:35:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4C21065672 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C58E8FC14 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7LNYuAQ060069 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:34:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7LNYuBR060068 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:34:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:34:56 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120821233456.GB59544@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120717145613.20783z1jrv0xapyc@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> <20120821234856.45844cc8ph3r708w@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120821234856.45844cc8ph3r708w@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: "Twitter.com is loading slowly" after updating to Firefox 13.0.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:35:06 -0000 [ Toomas Aas wrote on Tue 21.Aug'12 at 23:48:56 +0300 ] > Tue, 17 Jul 2012 kirjutas Lars Eighner : > > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Toomas Aas wrote: > > > >> Hello! > >> > >> I'm having this problem on two different computers, one running > >> 8.3-STABLE and the other running 9.0-STABLE. After updating Firefox > >> from 12.0 to 13.0.1, whenever I access twitter.com, I can log in > >> but after that a message appears saying that "Twitter.com is > >> loading slowly", and the site is practically unusable - clicking on > >> any of the links has no effect. > > > > If you do not know that there is something in firefox (now 13ish) which you > > must have, deinstall it and install firefox-esr (now 10ish). > > I was away from my computer for the past month, but now that I > returned and replaced Firefox 13.0.1 with 10.0.6 ESR, twitter.com is > again behaving normally for me. I'd like to thank everyone who > recommended ESR in this thread I'm running 9 stable and Firefox 14 and i've just logged into Twitter and there are no issue at all: it's performing well. Anyway, you've sorted your problem so that's the main thing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 01:20:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D261065673 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BEF8FC0C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so334364bkc.13 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:20:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3H5V/OYaD+TCcdfxBR2NyJGgUzdKSssdOMw5zOF1LDw=; b=fpVd+b5O9dnZlhvmI2r9SBQzooeuZVJaaM/kR0+CZV51xesNNUI2CIOfo98Uit0Bt1 W2HkNFl/zbu6/uWacB8pu+dF57WfBpNJ2cNIuakd08FIHKdN49x6zWObMUS7nzww3WUN cE7jmxaawq7SA0FQX7emZb6+Tb7ncqxdzeQjJIr+TbDVs9xEYdE6geFlMyYDyoKjbiR7 22DdUlVfZULRFWkBqX1D0SRYmViTXf6wmAeoWIkITHCGJ34rSy56MaFez/+NzA2dxgN6 1qqDXRLexaxzT7yDqj7qw25PFaOm212yM67DT10n/+JXvwZgDvVP2TFsf4bBxoGLy9yY FD4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.131 with SMTP id o3mr5867984bkw.87.1345598417177; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.40.9 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 18:20:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:20:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: jb , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:20:19 -0000 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:09 AM, jb wrote: > Hi, > > here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on > Linux developments: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 > Reader Comments > "1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39 GMT from > France) > Much has been said on the subject of Systemd. Let me quote Eric Hameleers, > one > of Slackware's developers. > > "[...] systemd is essentially evil. It is invasive, extremely hostile to > other > environments, threatening to kill non-Linux ecosystems which have hal, > udev, > dbus, consolekit, polkit, udisks, upower and friends as dependencies. And > every iteration of the software written by the Redhat employees who are > responsible for hal, udev, consiolekit, polkit and now systemd are > incompatible with previous releases, re-implementing their bad ideas with > new > bad ideas... basically proving that these Redhat employees must be > declared > unfit to work on the core of a Linux distro. However, the influence of > their > employer is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX > community and at some point it will be "assimilate or die". I hope we > (Slackware) will find a way where we do not have to assimilate but still > manage to keep the distro working. I have high hopes for KDE which has no > Redhat ties and so far, manages to stay clear of this mess, sticking to > widely accepted standards." > > Cheers from a Slackware user." > > For those of you who are unfamiliar - systemd is a replacement for SysV, > LSB, > and Upstart init subsystem scripts. > > Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?) they > are > aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?). > > On my FreeBSD machine: > $ ls /var/db/pkg/ > ... > hal-0.5.14_19/ > dbus-1.4.14_i3/ > consolekit-0.4.3/ > polkit-0.99/ > upower-0.9.7/ > ... > > Also, once again I refer to Linux-related ports in *BSD ecosystem > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linux&stype=all > and warn against becoming entangled in affairs of Linux ecosystem. > > jb > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I will throw in my two cents. Systemd sounds fine to me. I think that having additional features such as event based startup of scripts is something that is okay and not a problem. I think as long as systemd supports SysV init and BSD startup scripts, it is fine. Remember you are free to have your own startup scripts run from systemd. The fact is that systemd is more powerful, its features are available but no one is absolutely required to use every feature. I believe people here would rather complain about it rather than have FreeBSD support it, in the process making FreeBSD better. Instead of making FreeBSD better all they know how to do is criticize OSs that are trying to improve things. I dont think the complaints here have anything to do with a shortcoming of systemd, i think it has to do with people who would rather attack anyone who implements something that is more powerful than what FreeBSD provides, so FreeBSD does not have to compete with a better, more flexible alternative. There is nothing stopping FreeBSD from adding the dependancy system features that are needed by systemd so that FreeBSD can use it. Instead of complaining about Linux implementing something better, why not match it? No one is stopping FreeBSD from implementing its own BSD systemd program. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 02:04:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59834106566B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9AE8FC0A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so359757bkc.13 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:04:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kPpj7SY8UGBivbTBWhkKH0IMTyjCFmhpPAuH8tFhyzY=; b=qSvTRqE6b/dWY59sMTaM9b5TIU5NORvdGbZ1d+qfUrqGAnYqGIaRxG0crEGNx21mbV UwK2VbDkWDu6e2vODvTYfYVpCnfhAzrQBFt67L5ScHaInA2k2RgNwwm9Fp6iNIah5WWj y7GDaM10WCfQKQrXUNq+B6Lxsh+VO5tIBzsJ120qgve/B8OmCQfTMMTyq6ZzZmheIB3U f4M9ph/50dcj+8OJ2KHAuOsW/xRyjHGsvBTXlFvw45Iu8QcZyY86FoT5ba80i/Ar9l0y iVJWW5MMHzEvQEXOvD9DlaUla6gDrydMJ7pDpf5vMTvYlFarGvX/Nd9FKa+xAo9sOCGk 4coQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.136.194 with SMTP id il2mr6127992bkc.81.1345601065582; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.40.9 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:04:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:04:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: jb , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:04:27 -0000 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:20 PM, David Jackson wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:09 AM, jb wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> here is an interesting comment (basically echoing other people's view) on >> Linux developments: >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120820 >> Reader Comments >> "1 o Arch and systemd (by Microlinux on 2012-08-20 10:11:39 GMT from >> France) >> Much has been said on the subject of Systemd. Let me quote Eric >> Hameleers, one >> of Slackware's developers. >> >> "[...] systemd is essentially evil. It is invasive, extremely hostile to >> other >> environments, threatening to kill non-Linux ecosystems which have hal, >> udev, >> dbus, consolekit, polkit, udisks, upower and friends as dependencies. And >> every iteration of the software written by the Redhat employees who are >> responsible for hal, udev, consiolekit, polkit and now systemd are >> incompatible with previous releases, re-implementing their bad ideas >> with new >> bad ideas... basically proving that these Redhat employees must be >> declared >> unfit to work on the core of a Linux distro. However, the influence of >> their >> employer is so big that these products are forced upon the wider UNIX >> community and at some point it will be "assimilate or die". I hope we >> (Slackware) will find a way where we do not have to assimilate but still >> manage to keep the distro working. I have high hopes for KDE which has no >> Redhat ties and so far, manages to stay clear of this mess, sticking to >> widely accepted standards." >> >> Cheers from a Slackware user." >> >> For those of you who are unfamiliar - systemd is a replacement for SysV, >> LSB, >> and Upstart init subsystem scripts. >> >> Together with some other technologies like GNOME 3 (soon GNOME OS ?) they >> are >> aiming at being Microsoft-like Linux distro (soon OS ?). >> >> On my FreeBSD machine: >> $ ls /var/db/pkg/ >> ... >> hal-0.5.14_19/ >> dbus-1.4.14_i3/ >> consolekit-0.4.3/ >> polkit-0.99/ >> upower-0.9.7/ >> ... >> >> Also, once again I refer to Linux-related ports in *BSD ecosystem >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linux&stype=all >> and warn against becoming entangled in affairs of Linux ecosystem. >> >> jb >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care about portability", this is deceptive and misleading. It implies that he is building in a dependance on intractable hardware platform dependance when this is absolutely not the case, there is no dependance on a hardware platform.There is nothing about systemd that FreeBSD could not easily support. Yes, his software does use system call facilities provided by Linux, but since this is a dependance on software systems, FreeBSD could easily add these facilities to its own libraries and kernel. This fact exposes what the complaints from some people are about, it has nothing to do with portability, because these issues can be easily addressed in software code by FreeBSD, it has to do with FreeBSD not wanting to implement equivalent functionality as Linux. The fact is, FreeBSD can fully support systemd and all kernel and system features, there is nothing here that is impossible for FreeBSD to support. By doing so, it would give users MORE freedom rather than less freedom. FreeBSD would not even be required to use systemd for its own bootup sequence, which can be BSD init scripts still, but, systemd could be made available on FreeBSD, called from FreeBSDs init scripts, for users that wants to use it. Some here would make it seem like it is impossible for FreeBSD to support systemd, nothing could be further from the truth. No one is stopping FreeBSD from implementing it or any other feature found in Linux. I carefully looked through the documentation of systemd, I could see nothing except for a well designed, powerful and flexible start up system that is a major improvement. It IS backwards compatable with SysV and init scripts, so, no one can say they are taking away someones capability to use their own init scripts. BSD could continue to use its own startup init system and optionally allow systemd to be called from this for software that needs systemd. So, FreeBSD does not even have to change much about its current init system to support systemd. systemd could be called from FreeBSDs current init scripts as an addon rather than needing to replace any of the existing init system. I basically cannot see a rational reason to not support it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 03:28:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25A91065670 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886488FC0A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7M3SP6M021076 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:28:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <503451D7.9040107@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:28:23 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Subject: 9.0 release not dead but barely breathing after idling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:28:26 -0000 Aargh... So my 9.0 RELEASE system no longer totally hangs when sitting idle... it seems to run quite a bit longer, waking up from screen blanking in general even after long (overnight) periods of sitting idle. However, not always. X (screen was allowed to blank after 10 min, I'm testing w/ that off now.) blanked the screen. I come back after a few hrs of the system doing nothing (leaving a lot of stuff open, esp in firefox) and the screen is blank (expected) but doesn't wake up. I can ping from another machine, but not rlogin (no response). That seems weird. /var/log/messages shows no activity around attempted rlogin time Previously, before I turned off memory hole mapping in bios, it would go totally dead, but now it's clearly breathing. Power switch doesn't do a soft reboot, but I haven't tested it independently to see if it works at all. Will do that on next reboot. Question: If one does D to get out of X, how does that affect things? i.e. Since there is no active X display, what happens if a process tries to repaint? Does this effectively take display hardware out of the picture for troubleshooting? Output from "last": garya pts/5 nightmare Tue Aug 21 18:26 - 18:26 (00:00) garya pts/3 :0 Tue Aug 21 17:12 still logged in garya pts/2 :0 Tue Aug 21 17:12 still logged in garya pts/0 :0 Tue Aug 21 17:12 still logged in garya pts/1 :0 Tue Aug 21 17:12 still logged in garya pts/4 :0 Tue Aug 21 17:12 still logged in garya ttyv0 Tue Aug 21 17:08 still logged in boot time Tue Aug 21 17:06 garya pts/3 :0 Sun Aug 19 15:44 - crash (2+01:22) garya pts/4 :0 Sun Aug 19 15:44 - crash (2+01:22) garya pts/2 :0 Sun Aug 19 15:44 - crash (2+01:22) garya pts/1 :0 Sun Aug 19 15:44 - crash (2+01:22) garya pts/0 :0 Sun Aug 19 15:44 - crash (2+01:22) root ttyv4 Sun Aug 19 15:42 - crash (2+01:23) garya pts/4 :0 Sun Aug 19 15:15 - 15:41 (00:25) I discovered the system was hung and rebooted around Aug 21 17:06. Why is no crash recorded on Aug 21? The system was working (behaving normally) until at least ~ Aug 21 15:00 Since I could ping it around Aug 21 17:00, but then did a forced power down in order to reboot, shouldn't that show as a crash or something? Why is there no boot recorded soon after Aug 19 15:44? (I did reboot) Why does the first entry for garya after boot show still logged in? Is this because the records are based on the utx.log file, and the system crashed, so it looks like I'm still logged in? /var/log/cron shows: Aug 21 13:11:00 breakaway /usr/sbin/cron[10699]: (operator) CMD (/usr/libexec/save-entropy) Aug 21 13:15:00 breakaway /usr/sbin/cron[10717]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun) Aug 21 13:20:00 breakaway /usr/sbin/cron[10719]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun) Aug 21 13:22:00 breakaway /usr/sbin/cron[10721]: (operator) CMD (/usr/libexec/save-entropy) Aug 21 13:25:00 breakaway /usr/sbin/cron[10733]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun) Aug 21 17:10:00 breakaway /usr/sbin/cron[1878]: (root) CMD (/usr/libexec/atrun) Aug 21 17:11:00 breakaway /usr/sbin/cron[1882]: (operator) CMD (/usr/libexec/save-entropy) So it appears the system went south around Aug 21 13:25 Anything else I should look at for hints? Any suggestions for how to narrow this down further other than: disabling X screen blanking D to get out of X prior to leaving machine idle Thanks for any suggestions, gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 05:44:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD8710656F8 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:44:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69868FC19 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so1129844obb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:44:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Zn9eoC7xsgdFm62kCqwz14QgfYZq8OhJ+dHXr+lfBjU=; b=vsLI0HcXh6UuKbv1ksOuGI8anXpRA9PMJrBy/J7hFpPZQvFEzt1YD+lj0lZsKm2ORv w5InPjA52l69jAZt616dheK56mTplbcGbXP8KIFzqVuOc7PDBPbvGZmssGjJtCHM5HFh LoWuA24zLQtNVS5AusCRxejKHdb/m3LBVm3qtSZhASlv81SsqV9WXBDvrnb5ewByslZq qm51st7irbdnh9Qlw76IHOfAKgm0UljK6Dl5rfOv5NY4MHKbKQLav3f9aSgxEQaFS+1q TY/Ce9LUcR5fjucYx1ujiynvawEwVCPUKRY/K8NqQt6TyT4y3z4JcJSfLI7eRqQZXEY5 9x2w== Received: by 10.182.152.97 with SMTP id ux1mr15025936obb.13.1345614261115; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip98-163-115-74.dc.dc.cox.net. [98.163.115.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s7sm2345640oec.7.2012.08.21.22.44.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:44:15 -0400 From: rjhjr0@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120822054415.GA2234@stainmore> References: <20120821173001.GB5070@stainmore> <5033F93B.3070908@hdk5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5033F93B.3070908@hdk5.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Repeaters [off topic] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:44:22 -0000 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:10:19AM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > Bob Hall wrote: > > I'm using a repeater to grab a wireless signal and pass it to my local > > (wired) lan. For various reasons I won't go into a repeater is, in > > theory, the best way to do this. However, I'm having trouble finding a > > repeater that isn't garbage. I've been through 2 Linksys units, both of > > which required constant reboots and both of which died after almost > > exactly a year. I tried a Hawking HWREN1 which is still working after > > slightly more than a year but has trouble with encrypted traffic and > > also requires frequent reboots. I also tried a Hawking HW2R1, which was > > much less flaky than the HWREN1 and handled encrypted traffic OK, but > > died after about 3 months. > > > > Since these things cost $100-$140 apiece, it would be cost effective to > > to pay more for a unit that worked consistently and didn't die after a > > few months of light use. Has anyone on the list used a repeater that > > they had good experience with? > > > > Bob Hall > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Aloha.... > > > I have a similar system for a HP Linux mini that I use portably. It > works at my home base as well as in several locations including on > board NCL ships. > > What is the origin of the wireless signal are you picking up to begin > with? Landlord's wireless router. > I sounds like interfere or no permission to use the originating signal. I have permission; I have the passphrase necessary for access. Internet access is included in my rent. > If the original signal is flaky or blocked or timed out then the > repeater may not work. The original signal is flaky. Even though I'm less than 75 feet from the source, I use a high-gain antenna to compensate for a weak signal. However, I was able to maintain semi-stable access with the HW2R1 and antenna, until the HW2R1 died. (With the other three units, access consistently sucked.) Flakiness doesn't explain why three out of four repeaters died in a year or less. Traffic is light; I'm the only one using the repeater and I mostly use the Internet for email and reading news sites. I never even watched a video during the three months the HW2R1 was alive. When I say that three of the repeaters died, I mean a total cessation of function. They stopped functioning as repeaters, they stopped responding to pings, their built-in web servers no longer provided the configuration web pages, and rebooting didn't fix anything. The HWREN1 that I'm using right now stops functioning as a repeater several times a day, but I can still ping it and get the config pages. Rebooting usually (but not always) gets it working again. Sometimes I have to ask the landlord to reboot the router. I can't get permission to install an ethernet cable. I've already asked. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 08:45:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02B2106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller23@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp2.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2088FC08 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:45:13 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=jEL4kz6mxU7CAXQaa13qO51U4m+8lSYPvRZB6S93og0= c=1 sm=0 a=xfTBHnmNfvoA:10 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=U5fiW0SwFc0A:10 a=0wQVMjYSAAAA:8 a=5H4b4S9SiafPZFPq6tkA:9 a=hWxbGAk4Mo4A:10 a=AcdsImxJPJ9Yo6Ye3TGm+Q==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp01.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=mueller23@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp01.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.134.34.76 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.134.34.76] ([74.134.34.76:60857] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id 4A/B0-30437-C7B94305; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:42:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:42:36 -0400 Message-ID: <4A.B0.30437.C7B94305@smtp01.insight.synacor.com> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <503451D7.9040107@dreamchaser.org> Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: 9.0 release not dead but barely breathing after idling X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:45:14 -0000 from Gary Aitken : > Aargh... > So my 9.0 RELEASE system no longer totally hangs when sitting idle... > it seems to run quite a bit longer, waking up from screen blanking in general > even after long (overnight) periods of sitting idle. However, not always. > X (screen was allowed to blank after 10 min, I'm testing w/ that off now.) > blanked the screen. > I come back after a few hrs of the system doing nothing (leaving a lot of stuff open, esp in firefox) and the screen is blank (expected) but doesn't wake up. > I can ping from another machine, but not rlogin (no response). > That seems weird. > /var/log/messages shows no activity around attempted rlogin time > Previously, before I turned off memory hole mapping in bios, > it would go totally dead, but now it's clearly breathing. > Power switch doesn't do a soft reboot, > but I haven't tested it independently to see if it works at all. > Will do that on next reboot. > Question: (snip) I had a problem roughly like yours with 9.0-RELEASE, with a mystery hang after running cvs up -dP in a NetBSD pkgsrc tree and a mystery reboot after long idleness where the uptime was about 48 hours. That mystery reboot happened when I was only a few feet away (one or two meters?), in the same room, within hearing distance of the sounds, so I was able to attend to the reboot, what the computer booted into. Also, I have Intel Sandy Bridge system and had read that I needed to upgrade to STABLE or HEAD to get the graphics updates. So I switched from RELENG_9_0 (9.0-RELEASE + patches) to RELENG_9 (STABLE), without asking on the emailing list, and that solved the problem. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 09:34:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7211065670; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:34:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1D48FC22; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so520741wib.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:34:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=t+A6+R5eyZ8WZGHWFzOyI45nutWZlfwjt1eZk+3dbLw=; b=B4p6IuRHT81zOsec8FOLMyJ4DfvTLuYPOLVKTYyt5A5KjL3G3qmtaAC+Gl20wVvDBt GLEGsjLuBgKxN0ADfUMysOBvSO3LVn7sfPYcyaq+jb5uuCgtEhdFKHaX4p+rBK0Z2tQ1 XNR9nQZXi47rUXyJ8nzDMSBMhxi30jDTuPOWsPNh9FavPslyfzQ80MC86n0VV3arQ0XV wLyV2OI90m+BJvN6XNXpkTdXoP5u08avk/aLBcTQl+GwMDgCIOeS1OJjiPShJHFWrSgO 9780/JQ576XTeawoXJzwuVTIv+sVT1N1BHiDz+ly7EnrXdSg0P28ldnuVJn/e6UL1VK3 hxww== Received: by 10.180.106.137 with SMTP id gu9mr4322132wib.20.1345628081950; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.dg (41-132-210-104.dsl.mweb.co.za. [41.132.210.104]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k20sm38432009wiv.11.2012.08.22.02.34.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 02:34:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David Naylor To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:34:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.8.4; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4358365.4XGfzrgam6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201208221134.35460.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.5.11 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:34:49 -0000 --nextPart4358365.4XGfzrgam6 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.5.11 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. T= he=20 packages for FreeBSD 10 use the pkgng [3] format. =20 There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few users= ). The patch [4] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on installation (if the relevant files are accessible). Please read the installation messages for further information. Regards, David [1] MD5 (wine-1.5.x-freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.5.11,1.tbz) =3D=20 6ef223d508e191c18ed9fa92b993cd4c MD5 (wine-1.5.x-freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.5.11,1.txz) =3D=20 81f373343dc765b226710aff43206991 MD5 (wine-1.5.x-freebsd10/wine-fbsd64-1.5.11,1.txz) =3D=20 9159e7ac79283dd146084633a56af34d [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 [3] http://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng [4] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh --nextPart4358365.4XGfzrgam6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlA0p6sACgkQUaaFgP9pFrKB3QCggB2vj7AloEexHZFR9p/XfbdR ftAAn0Yu/azYrUpAma4BuHJ62nZBshJi =uTVs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4358365.4XGfzrgam6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 09:53:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0451065670 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3AC8FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ncsc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.41]) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T47cQ-00072M-LO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:52:58 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncsc.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T47cQ-0001Io-92 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:52:58 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7M9qvfS002705 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:52:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7M9qv29002704 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:52:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:52:57 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201208220952.q7M9qv29002704@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: subvertion treat PostScript files as binary? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:53:05 -0000 Why does subversion treats PostScript files as binary? I changed the bounding box in a text editor, but can't use svn diff: TZAV> svn diff rep-room-mises-mesh.ps Index: rep-room-mises-mesh.ps =================================================================== Cannot display: file marked as a binary type. svn:mime-type = application/postscript Is there an option somewhere to let svn know that these are just plain text? Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 10:33:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF83106566C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:33:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5858FC0A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id q7MATwWY068299 ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:30:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 168 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1652A1FF5A; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 13BC34EE4; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:56 +0200 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 5034B4A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5034B4A6.000/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Cc: David Jackson Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:33:35 -0000 David Jackson said: > In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care about > portability", this is deceptive and misleading. You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 The amount of hubris and self confidence he deploys is really astounding. I will just quote two extracts: " LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems are irrelevant ? Lennart : Yes, I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those systems when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a burden, and holds us back for little benefit. " and cherry on the cake "LinuxFr.org : Why Linux desktop hasn't been adopted by the mainstream users ? Linus Torvalds seems to think it's mostly a social issue and not a technical one. Do you agree with him ? Lennart : I think we weren't innovative enough in the interface, and we didn't have a convincing message and clear platform. If you accept MacOS as benchmark for user interfaces, then we weren't really matching it, at best copying it. I think this is changing now, with GNOME 3 which is a big step forward as an interface for Linux and for the first time is something that has been strictly designed under UI design guidelines. " -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 10:59:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5821065676 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:59:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288E18FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so632204qcs.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:59:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nQjIAIaxUsmXDhuLCbzCQGcgplhv9izlzCJuY5/P6Jg=; b=VNPY6TGS9uCFG+K7rWDiwMduY85y3mgfHWj1/I6BaIZF8n+443lN2m7gtz9XR/52g6 XAbLOigf2JfIAxNS2bTWbVG1yGdSswIlHkP5MuCPrHFB7yV4wburvMAfbRr17bG+dqD9 2VjOmQGtkTpfzwn0VoUBtQqOtlZcY7VbPEJRAJdYJSW2dfi5uSc3dCbRvoZTF7PCkwhE pyfgJhxietuyQuuzZixii2sYMtlR0SVCrT1GN6oWrZAhVYWD4wCEmPhWtCBj2rEUTb2M wusCBOug45xxpnAg4pnDM9n5cbvHdVyxZN5fuRueJwiPbXgTiNLxBlfoXCPQ/c5pCrK+ OZAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.135.81 with SMTP id m17mr16312556qct.34.1345633153500; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.164.206 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:59:14 -0000 Hi, I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the periodic LOCATE script runs every week. What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have several hundred GBs free)? PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and problems to a minimum. :-) Cheers, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 11:03:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F372F1065670 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADAE8FC16 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7MB3uJp091222 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:03:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7MB3ujN091221 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:03:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:03:56 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120822110356.GA91189@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:04:00 -0000 [ Michel Talon wrote on Wed 22.Aug'12 at 12:29:56 +0200 ] > > David Jackson said: > > In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care about > > portability", this is deceptive and misleading. > You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering > http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 > The amount of hubris and self confidence he deploys is really > astounding. I will just quote two extracts: > " LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, > udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux > API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems are > irrelevant ? > Lennart : Yes, I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I > think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those systems > when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a > burden, and holds us back for little benefit. " This guy seems to be a real moron. What a ridiculous statement to make. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 11:10:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14101065670 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:10:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAD58FC08 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AMD620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7MB9msu023219; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:09:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:12:57 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Andy Wodfer Message-ID: <20120822181257.7c940751@AMD620.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:10:02 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200 Andy Wodfer wrote: > Hi, > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply > remove it and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead > (where I have several hundred GBs free)? > > PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and > problems to a minimum. :-) > downtime will be kept to a minimum with this method. Can't you put another drive into this machine? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 11:18:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C654106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:18:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78748FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke52 with SMTP id e52so319508eek.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:18:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gzliPFBZKfvzWtKEqRREbTQWF4KzZ2uMzDcxmsVZNW0=; b=c498jUqaq1oB9Edetn8Djk/wcjnGjCsZlqrm1Kv/S9Br9FG4jrCy02IRY33uQh27NR YPw2+HWjIR2rUIigNkLsDnB3F/kwyWWImH3kCKxfdOCMOYYgcOR2FAtJnH3f6JwAuJhT wvm9hpCNO9urtmXd7eq1w4k/ssjmGVNkbn8mg2Qhyv34tcOnKUlFDp5+M7W4iXquShxI zxIL0gluhxLBIGb+90P+ddNYwfNtuO5niCs2h4ZAvlJNt+au/4G1kbjO8NIH4AE7/rGT bYnD0SsD9Qw1FHlpitSX42+W3igqrVDnfEB7iYl6X+KnPrIm0z/tClv7p1HO9RNZ481J QYkA== Received: by 10.14.202.66 with SMTP id c42mr17993843eeo.35.1345634313388; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m45sm12001714eep.16.2012.08.22.04.18.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:18:20 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120822121820.39fc10fe@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:18:35 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200 Andy Wodfer wrote: > Hi, > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply > remove it and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead > (where I have several hundred GBs free)? > Either that or you could use tmpfs. You could also change the locate tmp directory in /etc/locate.rc. There's also a periodic script to remove older files from /tmp which may help. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 11:43:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC251065670 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberleo@cyberleo.net) Received: from paka.cyberleo.net (paka.cyberleo.net [66.219.31.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D918FC18 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.16.44.4] (den.cyberleo.net [216.80.73.130]) by paka.cyberleo.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA797284A5; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5034C3FF.3030107@cyberleo.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:35:27 -0500 From: CyberLeo Kitsana User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.6esrpre) Gecko/20120820 Thunderbird/10.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Jackson , jb Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:43:22 -0000 On 08/21/2012 09:04 PM, David Jackson wrote: > In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care about > portability", this is deceptive and misleading. It implies that he is > building in a dependance on intractable hardware platform dependance when > this is absolutely not the case, there is no dependance on a hardware > platform.There is nothing about systemd that FreeBSD could not easily > support. Yes, his software does use system call facilities provided by > Linux, but since this is a dependance on software systems, FreeBSD could > easily add these facilities to its own libraries and kernel. This fact > exposes what the complaints from some people are about, it has nothing to > do with portability, because these issues can be easily addressed in > software code by FreeBSD, it has to do with FreeBSD not wanting to > implement equivalent functionality as Linux. > > The fact is, FreeBSD can fully support systemd and all kernel and system > features, there is nothing here that is impossible for FreeBSD to support. > > By doing so, it would give users MORE freedom rather than less freedom. > FreeBSD would not even be required to use systemd for its own bootup > sequence, which can be BSD init scripts still, but, systemd could be made > available on FreeBSD, called from FreeBSDs init scripts, for users that > wants to use it. > > Some here would make it seem like it is impossible for FreeBSD to support > systemd, nothing could be further from the truth. No one is stopping > FreeBSD from implementing it or any other feature found in Linux. > > I carefully looked through the documentation of systemd, I could see > nothing except for a well designed, powerful and flexible start up system > that is a major improvement. It IS backwards compatable with SysV and init > scripts, so, no one can say they are taking away someones capability to use > their own init scripts. BSD could continue to use its own startup init > system and optionally allow systemd to be called from this for software > that needs systemd. So, FreeBSD does not even have to change much about its > current init system to support systemd. systemd could be called from > FreeBSDs current init scripts as an addon rather than needing to replace > any of the existing init system. > > I basically cannot see a rational reason to not support it. If I were to hazard a guess, it's because systemd is intended to replace a subsystem which is simple and has had decades of testing with something that is as yet largely unproven. If not done properly, and with competent oversight, it could result in an unmaintainable system that requires more than just a text editor to repair. Just imagine losing a library against which systemd is compiled: no single-user mode because 'init' couldn't start at all now, and no /bin/sh because the startup scripts required to get the machine into a usable state are no longer written in bourne shell. But the larger issue, in my analysis, is that it forces feature creep into any other posix implementation that must support it to run software that depends upon it. FreeBSD has a jail implementation that is far more advanced and secure than anything Linux currently offers; yet systemd requires what basically amounts to a neutered version (containers) so that it can keep track of processes. Not a dishonourable endeavour in and of itself, but then it's like GEM/KMS all over again, where smaller, more resource-constrained teams are rushing to add otherwise-unneeded features to their kernels in such a way that won't cause instability or security vulnerabilities. In this case, there isn't even any compatibly-licensed reference code for containers that can be freely used; the implementation must be engineered from scratch. Lastly, it's also LGPL-licensed; either someone will have to convince the authors to dual-license it, or a BSD-licensed implementation will have to be written. With the current FreeBSD GPL-exodus, I don't see the adoption of further GPL/LGPL code having much chance of succeeding; especially when said code is required to actually bootstrap the userland. Personally, I think diversity is good, and systemd does offer alternate options that were previously lacking in a sysvinit/bsdinit world; but systemd could be a lot more flexible in supporting platforms that are other than Linux or GPL. -- Fuzzy love, -CyberLeo Technical Administrator CyberLeo.Net Webhosting http://www.CyberLeo.Net Furry Peace! - http://wwww.fur.com/peace/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 11:44:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA3C1065688 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:44:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000478FC23 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:44:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 22 Aug 2012 07:44:31 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BXT22003; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:44:31 -0400 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 22 Aug 2012 07:44:31 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20532.50718.463392.142713@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:44:30 -0400 To: RW In-Reply-To: <20120822121820.39fc10fe@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <20120822121820.39fc10fe@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:44:33 -0000 RW writes: > > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > There's also a periodic script to remove older files from /tmp which > may help. My gut reaction is: what's taking up so much room? My /tmp contains 6 mbytes. Even back when it was sharing space on a 500 mbyte /, it only filled up on the rare occasions when something went Horribly Wrong(tm) with a large compilation or backup. To the OP: See what you can delete. Then figure out what's filling it up. Respoectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 11:53:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A9A106566B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:53:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2058FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.137.79] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T48s7-0004kB-OC; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:13:16 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7MBDCI0001940; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:13:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id q7MBDCbu001939; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:13:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:13:11 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Andy Wodfer Message-ID: <20120822111310.GA1928@tiny.Sisis.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.137.79 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:53:11 -0000 El día Wednesday, August 22, 2012 a las 12:59:13PM +0200, Andy Wodfer escribió: > Hi, > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it > and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have > several hundred GBs free)? > > PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and problems > to a minimum. :-) Hi, See the script /usr/sbin/periodic, it supports TMPDIR env var and you could direct this to some place with more space; HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 12:00:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E200C106566C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED998FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so670192yhf.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:59:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OfaFz6rfm/tmdI1X6T4VlAWxH5EuCsrF8jF5ADKqY5c=; b=EYaq8DMZ24Q+REUppnBIxxkar7W08YxAXuzq90K2JuorRIiKlR2BK5UaZTJqR5+ZNK i6V2tFItC2uaK7vuGx90P0TpuJDiGldckX1viT9XnZ7xoQe2T1ridwmqEzPb7LooVO+p rk3iczT13zf5baNNGw1mFqU6ZFVZx62Im9qVg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=OfaFz6rfm/tmdI1X6T4VlAWxH5EuCsrF8jF5ADKqY5c=; b=JdSMfOou1SK4zhFdQ48c7vNpqnTxdI/qdmS4HUGxkO287S1ey+wMp5uPD0pJnLQ2Q1 GLtty4Lwy8z/SqYTNiEqOsIAbzsdWc479h9uDPlEviTNEnOsDePQ4H2UzUARcGn+9m8/ v8JMvCK446Nwk5jV+GTH0ez9YaILNsaOJ1y75vJERqxvEn3eVjyRLwKomRsvPqosufCH xFymUeXwuqIyKNiQli1XYSx69yQsmmH0QkuCItAs2T0/iRpvYhdO+2nHF9DXDX9eA/At ksw8IdJlMRMD+udTc7UogG7D8shsIgy3b9Tuc86+nM11oaUjvYQKdchBiITw6yNbWKn8 Oazw== Received: by 10.236.78.106 with SMTP id f70mr28835651yhe.51.1345636795174; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm3732832anl.11.2012.08.22.04.59.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3X26kb3yd2z2CG68 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:59:51 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120822075951.67289a7b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl09vpNUR51TJzHKbthXSlO222oaervzWuzxtc6wy06cT/pp5hj6BmuQz+VE4xCirEOAoLG Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:00:02 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:56 +0200 Michel Talon articulated: > David Jackson said: > > > In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care > > about portability", this is deceptive and misleading. > > You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering > http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 > The amount of hubris and self confidence he deploys is really > astounding. I will just quote two extracts: > > " LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, > udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux > API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems > are irrelevant ? > > Lennart : Yes, I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I > think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those > systems when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or > ecosystem is a burden, and holds us back for little benefit. " > > and cherry on the cake > > "LinuxFr.org : Why Linux desktop hasn't been adopted by the > mainstream users ? Linus Torvalds seems to think it's mostly a social > issue and not a technical one. Do you agree with him ? > > Lennart : I think we weren't innovative enough in the interface, and > we didn't have a convincing message and clear platform. If you accept > MacOS as benchmark for user interfaces, then we weren't really > matching it, at best copying it. I think this is changing now, with > GNOME 3 which is a big step forward as an interface for Linux and for > the first time is something that has been strictly designed under UI > design guidelines. " The critics complain that the new ideas merely introduces de minimis modifications and does nothing to amend the real faults in the system. The real problem is that true innovative development in FreeBSD has become stagnant. It has taken, and in some cases still not achieved equal standings with other OSs in many areas. Wireless technology, full USB support to name a few. It is ALWAYS easier to blame others for our failures than to admit the problem lies within ourselves. Thank God that everyone is not the complacent. Where would civilization be now if Edison had considered the candle the ultimate technological advancement in portable lighting or if Bell had considered the telegraph the pinnacle of high speed communication. Change is hard -- it always has been. There exists a strong subculture that would rather curse the darkness then light a candle. Debating with them is a waste of time. You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down to their level....then beat you with experience. Simple ignore them and when time has passed them by and proven you right, you can smile knowing that you were. The frontiers are littered with "dinosaurs". You could also enjoy a great day of golf which beats the hell out of arguing with those married to the past. -- Jerry â™” Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 12:04:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C08106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:04:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BE28FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so673406qcs.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:04:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+dQBJcNLexyE+18JW6Cnr3qP/Ib7eiNxluaHkQBZwhA=; b=XE3DLikDGrBvMrqt4AiRxuOoH9DRoYIsYqOkMRrqwDRPVYpmtIDiTUw+y5qP12R8F9 y9ztTtMHynR2X173kwSZpr+BcAOLSZaxsWB/poGZ06L9JM33iH3ngkIwD2C3B6s1hoyi weuE8EpR8Kxh/I0gi9P6kBtIiE4CVEwYbR/M9ZwbLLGWjEmm+CjP2GIlvPFEzlU5GL3d mzd7qbex9KNRUHDioLlz8Pq89poJ8C9dlEqVthmitUK+VBspejNgj3Y19U0GMs27tMuL bCi6RevFLJ/iAULWgdIAle00+HopFBkGdcXtX66+mnQ3/70ajDvfd8XSzu0eJL3705hE R0ZA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.135.81 with SMTP id m17mr16400672qct.34.1345637098881; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.164.206 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:04:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:04:58 +0200 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:05:00 -0000 Thanks to all for your input! Editing /etc/periodic.rc seem to do the trick, but now I faced a different problem which I've never seen before: locate: integer out of +-MAXPATHLEN (1024): 1029 There are some directories that contains A LOT of small files I think. Need to investigate. Also thanks for the tip on omitting parts of the filesystem. Perhaps I need to do that. /Andreas On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Michael Ross wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200, Andy Wodfer wrote: > > Hi, >> I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the >> periodic LOCATE script runs every week. >> >> What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove >> it >> and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have >> several hundred GBs free)? >> >> PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and >> problems >> to a minimum. :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Andy >> > > If it's just locate.updatedb filling it up temporarily, > perhaps you can solve this by ommitting part of your filesystem from the > locate index. > > See /etc/locate.rc > > > Regards, > > Michael > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 12:12:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66951065670 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9A38FC19 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadc11 with SMTP id c11so4966710qad.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:12:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jfwmK3LFYSMVpk7SorHp5UH0wVZrdl7dFL2/nU6qY2g=; b=QjWUu5Ik5w1UhlXN01+ww5wLMiSOeH9uHXttebtKvacYLVEuahwUVuVjm0h4Z+3m+T urDr6QJZktDZHBd+5eIxMSZsJmJ6tkbNO86ANf+xukP31lF2+wSpzAQPW6uPZ6VAlbd2 dJAl3AjEtg0nSUjyhpY3ApvELWsOpDCpZKFuZzFFsCaCQu6FkBskgL37qLFRenG/2BcU mq3ToqKdBjNSkiVvk2vk4Yslm1uNyFAWWTMGMZ7lnlq79XJGAplzX2rhbix6cMs7nNU5 vGn1VmN5TQFps1uNhhCkAFK7WdKDld/sTMl+W3AtAHm1eblNdfHh2KalQZ2y/NHGQqKA eP1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.135.67 with SMTP id m3mr4697991qct.26.1345637545484; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.164.206 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 05:12:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:12:25 +0200 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:12:31 -0000 How can I find which directories break the MAXPATHLEN variable? or can I somehow run the periodic script in verbose mode to see the output? /Andy On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Andy Wodfer wrote: > Thanks to all for your input! > > Editing /etc/periodic.rc seem to do the trick, but now I faced a different > problem which I've never seen before: > > locate: integer out of +-MAXPATHLEN (1024): 1029 > > > There are some directories that contains A LOT of small files I think. > Need to investigate. > > Also thanks for the tip on omitting parts of the filesystem. Perhaps I > need to do that. > > /Andy > > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Michael Ross wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200, Andy Wodfer wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the >>> periodic LOCATE script runs every week. >>> >>> What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove >>> it >>> and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have >>> several hundred GBs free)? >>> >>> PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and >>> problems >>> to a minimum. :-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Andy >>> >> >> If it's just locate.updatedb filling it up temporarily, >> perhaps you can solve this by ommitting part of your filesystem from the >> locate index. >> >> See /etc/locate.rc >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Michael >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 12:12:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67794106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE538FC17 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.158] (27-108-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr [109.190.108.27]) (Authenticated sender: kha) by mail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D3D13DD031 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:03:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5034CAF3.6020401@dichotomia.fr> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:05:07 +0200 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.5) Gecko/20120624 Icedove/10.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.dichotomia.fr); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:03:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:12:51 -0000 Le 22/08/2012 12:59, Andy Wodfer a écrit : > Hi, > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it > and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have > several hundred GBs free)? > > PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and problems > to a minimum. :-) > > Cheers, > Andy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Removing /tmp and replacing it with a link is a bad idea, it might have unexpected effects if you have to go into single user mode for maintenance - especially if /usr cannot be mounted at that time. A solution would be to create a /usr/tmp BEFORE mounting /usr If the problem comes from locate, the best option is to move locate database and temp files on another drive - take a look at locate.rc for information - this should cause 0 downtime. If the problem is that the tmp file is really too small for a number of operation including locate (for example compile also fails due to lack of space) you will need to either configure each and every failing program to use a different temp directory or move temp directory From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 12:27:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FD6106566B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:27:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gmx@ross.cx) Received: from www81.your-server.de (www81.your-server.de [213.133.104.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022078FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [88.70.249.71] (helo=michael-think) by www81.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1T49Y9-0008Fm-Jo; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:56:41 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions , "Andy Wodfer" References: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:56:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Michael Ross" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (Win32) X-Authenticated-Sender: gmx@ross.cx X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.97.3/15282/Wed Aug 22 04:13:16 2012) Cc: Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:27:03 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200, Andy Wodfer wrote: > Hi, > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove > it > and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have > several hundred GBs free)? > > PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and > problems > to a minimum. :-) > > Cheers, > Andy If it's just locate.updatedb filling it up temporarily, perhaps you can solve this by ommitting part of your filesystem from the locate index. See /etc/locate.rc Regards, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 12:42:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9A61065677 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979C28FC17 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.158] (27-108-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr [109.190.108.27]) (Authenticated sender: kha) by mail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A9E63DD031 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:39:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5034D371.1070606@dichotomia.fr> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:41:21 +0200 From: Jerome Herman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.5) Gecko/20120624 Icedove/10.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20120822075951.67289a7b@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120822075951.67289a7b@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.dichotomia.fr); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:39:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:42:27 -0000 Le 22/08/2012 13:59, Jerry a écrit : > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:29:56 +0200 > Michel Talon articulated: > >> David Jackson said: >> >>> In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care >>> about portability", this is deceptive and misleading. >> You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering >> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 >> The amount of hubris and self confidence he deploys is really >> astounding. I will just quote two extracts: >> >> " LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, >> udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux >> API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems >> are irrelevant ? >> >> Lennart : Yes, I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I >> think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those >> systems when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or >> ecosystem is a burden, and holds us back for little benefit. " >> >> and cherry on the cake >> >> "LinuxFr.org : Why Linux desktop hasn't been adopted by the >> mainstream users ? Linus Torvalds seems to think it's mostly a social >> issue and not a technical one. Do you agree with him ? >> >> Lennart : I think we weren't innovative enough in the interface, and >> we didn't have a convincing message and clear platform. If you accept >> MacOS as benchmark for user interfaces, then we weren't really >> matching it, at best copying it. I think this is changing now, with >> GNOME 3 which is a big step forward as an interface for Linux and for >> the first time is something that has been strictly designed under UI >> design guidelines. " > The critics complain that the new ideas merely introduces de minimis > modifications and does nothing to amend the real faults in the system. > The real problem is that true innovative development in FreeBSD has > become stagnant. It has taken, and in some cases still not achieved > equal standings with other OSs in many areas. Wireless technology, full > USB support to name a few. It is ALWAYS easier to blame others for our > failures than to admit the problem lies within ourselves. I would not call FreeBSD approach a failure, from my point of view it is definitely a choice. FreeBSD is all about the "Least Astonishment". Sure it results in new technologies and paradigm making their way into the OS really slowly (though in the case of both wifi and USB (and ACPI by the way) most of the problem still lies in incomplete specs and dubious standard compliance from manufacturers). But on the other hand it also results in a system that is extremely coherent with himself and extremely stable over time. Almost every script I wrote under FreeBSD 4.x still work flawlessly in 9.1. In fact most *BSD contributors, write code for their needs - they improve FreeBSD because they need the new stuff, not because they have an agenda or a product to sell. Of course non vital improvement (graphics, sounds, 3D etc.) takes longer to be implemented. But I personally prefer an ugly frontend with a robust motor under the hood than the contrary. > Thank God > that everyone is not the complacent. Where would civilization be now if > Edison had considered the candle the ultimate technological advancement > in portable lighting or if Bell had considered the telegraph the > pinnacle of high speed communication. Change is hard -- it always has > been. There exists a strong subculture that would rather curse the > darkness then light a candle. Debating with them is a waste of time. > > You should never argue with idiots because they will just drag you down > to their level....then beat you with experience. Simple ignore them and > when time has passed them by and proven you right, you can smile > knowing that you were. The frontiers are littered with "dinosaurs". You > could also enjoy a great day of golf which beats the hell out of > arguing with those married to the past. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 13:14:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A55106566B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:14:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117AB8FC17 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q7MDEZ4K060644; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:14:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:14:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201208221314.q7MDEZ4K060644@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wodfer@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Cc: Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:14:46 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 22 05:59:52 2012 > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200 > From: Andy Wodfer > To: freebsd-questions > Subject: /tmp filesystem full > > Hi, > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it > and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have > several hundred GBs free)? That is a BAD IDEA(tm)! There are appliations that assume /tmp, /var/tmp, and /usr/tmp are _distinct_ directories. They will create files _with_the_same_name_ in two of those 'temp' locations, expecting them to be unique.o It _is_ OK to symlink /tmp to 'somewhere else', with the caveat that it "should" be on the '/' filesystem -- one may need it in single-user mode befoe other filesystems are mounted. You can 'live dangerously' and symlink to a dir on a different filesystem and _probably_ not have problems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 13:22:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F544106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A84F8FC0A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1833CE11; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:22:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7MDMF5k001996; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:22:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:22:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Andy Wodfer Message-Id: <20120822152215.1b411f23.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:22:23 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:12:25 +0200, Andy Wodfer wrote: > How can I find which directories break the MAXPATHLEN variable? It's easy to do this with find and awk: % find / -type d | awk 'length > LIMIT' where LIMIT is the numerical value you want to be exceeded (in your case, MAXPATHLEN). You can add "> /tmp/longpaths.txt" to obtain a list file for further reference. > or can I somehow run the periodic script in verbose mode to see the output? You could manually run it. Note that it's output is tailored to "generate mail messages" about success or failure which is then mailed to the system administrator. See /etc/defaults/periodic.conf for various *_verbose variables to make the scripts themselves be more verbose. But I only can see those: daily_clean_tmps_verbose="YES" # Mention files deleted daily_clean_preserve_verbose="YES" # Mention files deleted daily_clean_rwho_verbose="YES" # Mention files deleted You could however (temporarily) add your own debugging statements to the script in question. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 13:26:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C2A106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C61B8FC08 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4As9-0004bK-He for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:21:25 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4Awu-0007PQ-Co for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:26:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:25:51 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120822142551.ceefe569.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <201208221314.q7MDEZ4K060644@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201208221314.q7MDEZ4K060644@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:26:01 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:14:35 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi wrote: > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 22 05:59:52 2012 > > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200 > > From: Andy Wodfer > > To: freebsd-questions > > Subject: /tmp filesystem full > > > > Hi, > > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > > > What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply > > remove it and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead > > (where I have several hundred GBs free)? > > That is a BAD IDEA(tm)! > > There are appliations that assume /tmp, /var/tmp, and /usr/tmp are > _distinct_ directories. They will create files _with_the_same_name_ in > two of those 'temp' locations, expecting them to be unique.o /usr/tmp usually does not exist so creating it and symlinking /tmp to it is OK. > It _is_ OK to symlink /tmp to 'somewhere else', with the caveat that it > "should" be on the '/' filesystem -- one may need it in single-user mode > befoe other filesystems are mounted. You can 'live dangerously' and > symlink to a dir on a different filesystem and _probably_ not have > problems. A null mount would be a safer way of pushing /tmp onto /usr or indeed any other filesystem - that way when the null mount fails the mount point is still a directory. There's really no point in linking it elsewhere on the same filesystem. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 13:41:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00281106567A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:41:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djackson452@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC838FC16 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so903264bkc.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:41:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=d3GIRaZJ7M+o7jWVkVdikGEZCU9KOxHE5M6Q2NpHO/k=; b=w52Yn0SXXbX3uRvbkbshVG1CXxEAdG2xr22xXgKwZfkBXkIx49Dz0DajFjNbf5PwtA ffoNx4kQNYG4W655O7E378RNI86OFzAoqWSlF74CRuCZN44EtoT69KLULFJpkHUuAPye bhvrRqXQraO8VlKcCOv4WFMig+RWSHTpwabjsYvTvAOiAptF2ZM3xioDwctQxPC/Xj54 EAtHUHW6vQMZCID1Wg7QoxRqZc4bRYsztI4tzUmaMkQWRFijNuvQHiHPPO3PERrGxJhp Gg2+tnL62VK/WhnWKv5Cw078Gd4T2cz5Meq60sdDGv3OVEF2P5+QaAemdmRBHs1PPZFK Yx7g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.136.194 with SMTP id il2mr6687563bkc.81.1345642866059; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.40.9 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120822110356.GA91189@kontrol.kode5.net> References: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20120822110356.GA91189@kontrol.kode5.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:41:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: David Jackson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:41:08 -0000 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > [ Michel Talon wrote on Wed 22.Aug'12 at 12:29:56 +0200 ] > > > > > David Jackson said: > > > > In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care about > > > portability", this is deceptive and misleading. > > > You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering > > http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 > > The amount of hubris and self confidence he deploys is really > > astounding. I will just quote two extracts: > > > " LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, > > udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux > > API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems are > > irrelevant ? > > > Lennart : Yes, I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I > > think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those systems > > when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a > > burden, and holds us back for little benefit. " > > That sort of shows my point in fact. There is nothing stopping FreeBSD from implementing cgroups, udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, its not like Linux is going to enforce patents on these things, its software, and freebsd can easily add code to support these things, and as well, systemd. You are acting like there is dependancy in systemd on some hardware device you cannot change, this is not true, Software is flexible and can be easily extended and improved, they use some software features provided by the OS, and you clearly can install these features into FreeBSD if you would care to do so. FreeBSD can implement all of the software interfaces to make systemd and other software portable to FreeBSD. So this is clearly not about "portability", FreeBSD is free to implement these software interfaces to assure that software is portable to FreeBSD. What this is about is FreeBSDs refusal to implement equivalent functionality as Linux has. On this, FreeBSD has only itself to blame if it refuses to do so, since FreeBSD clearly has the capability to easily add the code necessary. Clearly this is all FreeBSDs politics. It refuses to implement the features because Linux developed because of the animosity towards Linux. FreeBSD has a "not made here syndrome". FreeBSD would rather criticize other OSs that are trying to improve their features and flexibility, and power, rather than to improve itself. As for FreeBSDs market share, it is vanishingly small on the desktop with far less uptake than Linux. It is also shrinking in the server area, there is increasingly little reason to use an OS that has worse hardware support, less functionality. Linux is just as reliable as FreeBSD and has more functionality by far. I have been a supporter of FreeBSD for some time, but it was becoming clear that Linux distributions can offer much more and are just as reliable, in addition to offering more capabilities, power and features. all of this has left little reason to keep using FreeBSD. Why use an OS that has less features and capabilities when there are more powerful alternatives with more capabilities that are just as reliable, available? > This guy seems to be a real moron. What a ridiculous statement to make. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 13:47:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EDF7106566C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhein@symmetricom.com) Received: from duck.symmetricom.us (duck.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAAF8FC08 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gromit.timing.com (gromit.timing.com [206.168.13.209]) by duck.symmetricom.us (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7MDkw6A056826; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jhein@symmetricom.com) Received: from gromit.timing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gromit.timing.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7MDkVan014960; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jhein@gromit.timing.com) Received: (from jhein@localhost) by gromit.timing.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7MDkUrp014959; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jhein) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20532.58038.689703.188732@gromit.timing.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:46:30 -0600 From: John Hein To: Andy Wodfer In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b-trunk-1408 under 23.4.1 (i386-portbld-freebsd7.4) Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:47:05 -0000 Andy Wodfer wrote at 12:59 +0200 on Aug 22, 2012: > Hi, > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it > and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have > several hundred GBs free)? > > PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and > problems to a minimum. :-) One way is to work around your problem is to add 'TMPDIR=/path/to/bigger/filesystem' in /etc/crontab and/or 'export TMPDIR=/path/...' in /etc/periodic.conf. No downtime for that. But yes, you can make /tmp a sym link. You may have to worry about edge cases regarding booting (like if the filesystem you point to is not available early enough at boot time). In the typical case (e.g., locally mounted ufs), it should work fine. There may be very rare cases of software that gets confused by a sym link for /tmp, but certainly the stock periodic scripts should work with it. Depending on what processes have files open on /tmp, you may decide to use some down time to make the sym link. You can't use mv(1) to rename a mounted mount point. If you can umount /tmp, then you can rename it and make the sym link. But it's possible some processes have files open in /tmp preventing a normal umount (see lsof(8), fstat(1)). You would have to convince those processes to close the /tmp file descriptors. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 14:05:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0628B106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8965F8FC0A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC87127B1C; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:05:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7ME5HLM002106; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:05:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:05:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Jackson Message-Id: <20120822160517.36d8c2d5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20120822110356.GA91189@kontrol.kode5.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:05:20 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:41:05 -0400, David Jackson wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > > > [ Michel Talon wrote on Wed 22.Aug'12 at 12:29:56 +0200 ] > > > > > > > > David Jackson said: > > > > > > In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care about > > > > portability", this is deceptive and misleading. > > > > > You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering > > > http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 > > > The amount of hubris and self confidence he deploys is really > > > astounding. I will just quote two extracts: > > > > > " LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, > > > udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux > > > API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems are > > > irrelevant ? > > > > > Lennart : Yes, I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I > > > think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those systems > > > when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a > > > burden, and holds us back for little benefit. " > > > > > > > That sort of shows my point in fact. There is nothing stopping FreeBSD from > implementing cgroups, udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, its not like > Linux is going to enforce patents on these things, its software, and > freebsd can easily add code to support these things, and as well, systemd. A problem might be that the Linux world is constantly changing. Do you remember the HAL and DBUS problems? When FreeBSD had implemented it, it has been abolished in Linux. There are of course Linux-oriented software solutions that heavily rely on Linux-specific things to fully function. Xfce is an example. In case FreeBSD doesn't offer "low level functionality" like kernel interfaces or library calls that are addressed by that software on Linux, it will make that software unusable (or at least limited in function) on FreeBSD. Assuming that more and more software _will_ be primarily developed ON and FOR Linux, it implies that FreeBSD will soon be out of that software. Of course FreeBSD can implement those requirements. I just think it's not _that_ easy because FREEBSD IS NOT LINUX. Many dependencies will be resolved, many things added to the kernel and system libraries, and when they are in a working state, Linux will already use something else. FreeBSD puts emphasize on durability, stability, the ability to predict things, and the UNIX principle to have small functional parts that do _one_ thing, and do it well, and to interconnect those parts, instead intending to build an egg-laying-wool-milk-sow, a "one size fits all" thing that "does everything". Of course it's nice to have a system where different functionality can be "plugged into" to have basically the same purpose (e. g. "start or stop something"). FreeBSD has -- in ITS environment! -- such a system. Linux has a different system, has different systemS. The more the functional parts "the OS" and "the applications" are merged, as it is the case in Linux (where no "the OS" exists, even the kernel and the system tools are "additional packages"), the more problems this implies to systems like FreeBSD that have this functional distinction. However, integrating the OS more with the installed GUI (!) programs is massively important to attract desktop users with limited knowledge about basic computer operations. This seems to be a growing majority. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/08/fewer-and-fewer-people-want-to-know-about-computers-says-google/261271/ Not sure where this leads to... > What this is about is FreeBSDs refusal to implement equivalent > functionality as Linux has. I'm not competent to make a statement regarding the amount of work to do that, the benefit it brings and for how long it will work until the whole thing has to be replaced by something completely different. Still it would make sense to assume that it's "not that easy". > As for FreeBSDs market share, [...] FreeBSD _does not have_ any market share. It's not a commercial undertaking per se. It has usage share and even mind share. There is no way you could bring _any_ numbers regarding market share because (1st) it doesn't apply (e. g. like "Which market share has air in comparison to coal?" - stupid question, I know), and (2nd) as per the BSD license, you wouldn't even notice all the BSDs running in network gear, storage appliances, electric control units, display devices and so on. You have _zero_ chance to find any numbers here you could compare. > [...] it is vanishingly small on the desktop with > far less uptake than Linux. You mean usage share. Okay, agreed. FreeBSD is not a typically known desktop system (even though _I_ am using it on the desktop exclusively since 4.0). It's much more prominent in servers where durability and stability are much more important than bleeding edge features. You have no idea how many FreeBSD boxes are still out there, running 4.x, 5.x or 6.x, acting as a file server, and not going to stop doing so. :-) > It is also shrinking in the server area, there > is increasingly little reason to use an OS that has worse hardware support, > less functionality. Depends on what functionality you need on your server (as software feature), and what server you are actually using - standard hardware or short-life consumer stuff. > Linux is just as reliable as FreeBSD and has more > functionality by far. Again, it depends on your setting if you need them, and if you are willing to take the risk they might imply by their presence. > I have been a supporter of FreeBSD for some time, but it was becoming clear > that Linux distributions can offer much more and are just as reliable, in > addition to offering more capabilities, power and features. On the other hand, as a developer, I might argue that Linux often has inferior documentation (which is _essential_ to developers) and suffers from massive fragmentation, starting at directory layout and not ending at what initialization system to use. Of course I can understand that attitude: Why put time and money into documentation that nobody will be interested in reading it, or which would require manpower for continuous changing, and that will be obsolete and not applying anymore in few years? > all of this has > left little reason to keep using FreeBSD. Why use an OS that has less > features and capabilities when there are more powerful alternatives with > more capabilities that are just as reliable, available? Because it JUST WORKS(tm). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 15:21:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D61106566C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markiyan.kushnir@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F76D8FC12 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so1006361bkc.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XqUv4ezSeLuUzZCumQ1i4L7onOX3UaYhSsJwGAx204o=; b=c+2kg/sTIYpPdtvuA8WKUlRdxllzjJd4ElaCRDDPakqfiMZdI6+Qxnz4LqcziJ7eQ2 niVc0nGR53roB7tJUuq2c+dDt9rmPpzXk7wBGOyO43RQaU6H+YZtyv4rjjfxXlxuz6TW CVT6f4fqSWjyc7qHUvx89lqY6kt6eSSDN7dPOjATlBvhKg3h3AIgNEmY+29OoTeC3njE gLbrk2nVJNfZ7aFTMDU8jefikUnCtXdGirhYwavzOdJyNcAEOldfSQm2XOmclgzbUAuQ 0BZf8ouHTOJNe62mIOEYOWnjqz7/5ktGKRYxy4ZDWWtU/rk/iGrs4p/KIeJVDLYbOqru PGHw== Received: by 10.205.126.15 with SMTP id gu15mr6502993bkc.134.1345648890957; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mkushnir.zapto.org (81-48-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net. [91.124.48.81]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2961400bkw.15.2012.08.22.08.21.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5034F8F0.2000506@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:21:20 +0300 From: Markiyan Kushnir User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120222 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> In-Reply-To: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:21:32 -0000 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-July/231832.html Already read and discussed/flamed here. -- Markiyan. On 22.08.2012 13:29, Michel Talon wrote: > > David Jackson said: > >> In reference to the claims that systemd developers "do not care about >> portability", this is deceptive and misleading. > > You should read the following interview of Lennart Poettering > http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 > The amount of hubris and self confidence he deploys is really > astounding. I will just quote two extracts: > > " LinuxFr.org : Systemd use a lot of Linux only technologies (cgroups, > udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, etc). Do you really think the Linux > API has been taking the role of the POSIX API and the other systems are > irrelevant ? > > Lennart : Yes, I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore, and I > think that this implied requirement for compatibility with those systems > when somebody hacks software for the free desktop or ecosystem is a > burden, and holds us back for little benefit. " > > and cherry on the cake > > "LinuxFr.org : Why Linux desktop hasn't been adopted by the > mainstream users ? Linus Torvalds seems to think it's mostly a social > issue and not a technical one. Do you agree with him ? > > Lennart : I think we weren't innovative enough in the interface, and we > didn't have a convincing message and clear platform. If you accept MacOS > as benchmark for user interfaces, then we weren't really matching it, at > best copying it. I think this is changing now, with GNOME 3 which is a > big step forward as an interface for Linux and for the first time is > something that has been strictly designed under UI design guidelines. > " > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 15:32:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5D3106575D for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:32:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from mail.ru.ac.za (mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010:0:250:56ff:fe8d:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533898FC16 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:32:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ru.ac.za; s=ru-msa; h=X-Authenticated-User:Message-Id:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=eJA6hDf/PJlEXPzXrh2XzYo0+K7/8j7zNnvjVRGq7Xk=; b=q2v7uQJNxtQYvOFZwCjfqdvXr5kEsO3AVw6jvIs7dJT7/JxuaojeFmJ6vpyO7UQfQN4eJCtNS1aUOX7BZx0c1xWkTU/F1iCx+NwyIgqHZa/Gk6NqsfXWPG6svHZU4hMy; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:56328) by mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1T4Cv3-000LME-OE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:32:33 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:32:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20120822110356.GA91189@kontrol.kode5.net> In-Reply-To: X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:0:250:56ff:fe8d:5) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:32:37 -0000 On Wednesday 22 August 2012 15:41:05 David Jackson wrote: > So this is clearly not about "portability", FreeBSD is free to implement > these software interfaces to assure that software is portable to FreeBSD. Really? You make software portable by writing it to one environment and then changing every other environment to suit the software? I'm not sure software portability means what you think it means. Jonathan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 17:26:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A08106566B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDF98FC0C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so1069268ggn.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:26:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=njU0O5QWz2Z4Onl6jYd6yXeBQy9GoKjp/WO8hfC6roY=; b=l4PtiV3qcofWbgXhiU5s7oYxPWzifH+rHxGnuWq44s402mqonCOOi0JlsPkVuD9BwC DQrqiKAPNtvCclAMA0upbK0w71uGtEiHgCUbf36xNEP/PDawnieYcD56OJIS1Zx0N6Zb aC2OMU0eZy7kT81TdISlpyHxdmmmxyp9UFTebLPjB2p8A+i9U4gVD0aUiFMwQwmFqRkU TbTJVurinGTW37StqcdDd/Z/SO0w8Q3uWJ8zlmi1aApg3Tq5lqSdjIsatncBHZ4YpVD3 CG2omoF8jsCBkKaEUmej1cNVtLBJh7/ONPxRDHBGhH7ABdF8lzwyugO32C9KkXBN8GZ/ yrBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.135.72 with SMTP id pq8mr2970673igb.53.1345656393401; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.136.11 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:26:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.168.169] In-Reply-To: References: <20120822102956.GA43074@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20120822110356.GA91189@kontrol.kode5.net> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:26:32 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: David Jackson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk5Id/j6opeYZJ8JNEVX1ZsIpW4Yzy2ikyPAjCotV8XhgP6mlEWC4UW2c7ZeGCSpatQt7YO Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:26:35 -0000 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:41 PM, David Jackson wrote: > That sort of shows my point in fact. There is nothing stopping FreeBSD from > implementing cgroups, udev, fanotify, timerfd, signalfd, its not like > Linux is going to enforce patents on these things, its software, and > freebsd can easily add code to support these things, and as well, systemd. Right! Nothing prevents us from writing a Linux compat shim similar to the Linux-ABI (linuxulator) to provide the framework needed by systemd et al. Make it optional, if necessary, so that the base default FreeBSD system won't be contaminated. It would also be nice to be able to kldload linux drivers (binary blobs developed for Linux and provided by 3rd party hardware vendors), but that would be harder to implement. Then again, why not try? Isn't it like ndis(4), all over again? -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 19:18:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E05106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:18:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antonintessier@live.fr) Received: from dub0-omc4-s16.dub0.hotmail.com (dub0-omc4-s16.dub0.hotmail.com [157.55.2.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533928FC0A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DUB109-W43 ([157.55.2.72]) by dub0-omc4-s16.dub0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:17:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [93.182.219.16] From: antonin tessier To: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:17:22 +0200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2012 19:17:22.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[C19CCC90:01CD809A] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:18:31 -0000 Hi=2C I have a problem when I try to build my own kernel. I had never got such a = one=3B here is my kernel configuration file and the building errors that it= makes. "#device tun # Packet tunnel. device pty # BSD-style compatibility pseudo ttys device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) #device firmware # firmware assist module # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support options USB_DEBUG # enable debug msgs device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0) #device xhci # XHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 3.0) device usb # USB Bus (required) #device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices (needs netgr= aph) device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" #device ukbd # Keyboard #device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and d= a device ums # Mouse #device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player # USB Serial devices #device u3g # USB-based 3G modems (Option=2C Huawei=2C = Sierra) #device uark # Technologies ARK3116 based serial adapter= s #device ubsa # Belkin F5U103 and compatible serial adapt= ers #device uftdi # For FTDI usb serial adapters #device uipaq # Some WinCE based devices #device uplcom # Prolific PL-2303 serial adapters #device uslcom # SI Labs CP2101/CP2102 serial adapters #device uvisor # Visor and Palm devices #device uvscom # USB serial support for DDI pocket's PHS # USB Ethernet=2C requires miibus #device aue # ADMtek USB Ethernet #device axe # ASIX Electronics USB Ethernet #device cdce # Generic USB over Ethernet #device cue # CATC USB Ethernet #device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB Ethernet #device rue # RealTek RTL8150 USB Ethernet #device udav # Davicom DM9601E USB # USB Wireless #device rum # Ralink Technology RT2501USB wireless NICs #device run # Ralink Technology RT2700/RT2800/RT3000 NI= Cs. #device uath # Atheros AR5523 wireless NICs #device upgt # Conexant/Intersil PrismGT wireless NICs. #device ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs device urtw # Realtek RTL8187B/L wireless NICs #device zyd # ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b wireless NICs # FireWire support #device firewire # FireWire bus code # sbp(4) works for some systems but causes boot failure on others #device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da= ) #device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!) #device fwip # IP over FireWire (RFC 2734=2C3146) #device dcons # Dumb console driver #device dcons_crom # Configuration ROM for dcons # Sound support device sound # Generic sound driver (required) #device snd_cmi # CMedia CMI8338/CMI8738 #device snd_csa # Crystal Semiconductor CS461x/428x #device snd_emu10kx # Creative SoundBlaster Live! and Audigy #device snd_es137x # Ensoniq AudioPCI ES137x device snd_hda # Intel High Definition Audio device snd_ich # Intel=2C NVidia and other ICH AC'97 Audio #device snd_uaudio # USB Audio device snd_via8233 # VIA VT8233x Audio" "# make kernel KERNCONF=3DGOLLUM MAKE=3Dmake sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh GOLLUM cc -c -O2 -frename-registers -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -march=3Dnative -st= d=3Dc99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -W= missing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-point= er-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-opti= on -nostdinc -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -D= HAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit= =3D8000 --param inline-unit-growth=3D100 --param large-function-growth=3D10= 00 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mcmodel=3Dkernel -mno-red-zone -mno-mmx -mno-s= se -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -fstack-pro= tector -Werror vers.c linking kernel.debug rt2560.o: In function `rt2560_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2560.c:2011: undefined reference to `ether_ioctl' rt2661.o: In function `rt2661_load_microcode': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2661.c:2564: undefined reference to `firmware_put' /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2661.c:2524: undefined reference to `firmware_get' /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2661.c:2564: undefined reference to `firmware_put' rt2661.o: In function `rt2661_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2661.c:1749: undefined reference to `ether_ioctl' rt2860.o: In function `rt2860_load_microcode': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:3897: undefined reference to `firmware_get' /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:3931: undefined reference to `firmware_put' /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:3931: undefined reference to `firmware_put' rt2860.o: In function `rt2860_newassoc': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:859: undefined reference to `ether_sprintf' rt2860.o: In function `rt2860_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/dev/ral/rt2860.c:2057: undefined reference to `ether_ioctl' if_urtw.o: In function `urtw_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/dev/usb/wlan/if_urtw.c:1402: undefined reference to `ether_ioc= tl' if.o: In function `if_setlladdr': /usr/src/sys/net/if.c:3313: undefined reference to `arp_ifinit' if_gif.o: In function `gif_input': /usr/src/sys/net/if_gif.c:587: undefined reference to `bridge_input_p' /usr/src/sys/net/if_gif.c:594: undefined reference to `ether_demux' if_llatbl.o: In function `lla_rt_output': /usr/src/sys/net/if_llatbl.c:384: undefined reference to `arprequest' if_vlan.o: In function `vlan_modevent': /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:711: undefined reference to `vlan_input_p' /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:738: undefined reference to `vlan_input_p' if_vlan.o: In function `vlan_clone_destroy': /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:988: undefined reference to `ether_ifdetach' if_vlan.o: In function `vlan_clone_create': /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:949: undefined reference to `ether_ifattach' /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:966: undefined reference to `ether_ifdetach' if_vlan.o: In function `vlan_transmit': /usr/src/sys/net/if_vlan.c:1072: undefined reference to `ether_vlanencap' ieee80211.o: In function `ieee80211_vap_detach': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211.c:586: undefined reference to `ether_ifdeta= ch' ieee80211.o: In function `ieee80211_vap_attach': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211.c:540: undefined reference to `ether_ifatta= ch' ieee80211_adhoc.o: In function `adhoc_newstate': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_adhoc.c:216: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_adhoc.o: In function `adhoc_input': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_adhoc.c:624: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_crypto.o: In function `ieee80211_crypto_setkey': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_crypto.c:494: undefined reference to `ether= _sprintf' ieee80211_crypto_wep.o: In function `wep_encrypt': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_crypto_wep.c:359: undefined reference to `e= ther_sprintf' ieee80211_hostap.o: In function `hostap_newstate': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_hostap.c:305: undefined reference to `ether= _sprintf' ieee80211_hostap.o:/usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_hostap.c:847: more undef= ined references to `ether_sprintf' follow ieee80211_ioctl.o: In function `ieee80211_ioctl': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_ioctl.c:3353: undefined reference to `arp_i= finit' /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_ioctl.c:3391: undefined reference to `ether= _ioctl' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_newstate': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:675: undefined reference to `ether_s= printf' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_input': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:1266: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_send_action_meshlink_reply': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:2145: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_send_action_meshlink_request': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:2106: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_mesh.o: In function `mesh_send_action_meshpeering_close': /usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:2057: undefined reference to `ether_= sprintf' ieee80211_mesh.o:/usr/src/sys/net80211/ieee80211_mesh.c:1990: more undefine= d references to `ether_sprintf' follow in.o: In function `in_scrubprefix': /usr/src/sys/netinet/in.c:1131: undefined reference to `arp_ifscrub' in.o: In function `in_ifinit': /usr/src/sys/netinet/in.c:936: undefined reference to `useloopback' in.o: In function `in_lltable_prefix_free': /usr/src/sys/netinet/in.c:1394: undefined reference to `arpstat' vesa.o: In function `vesa_configure': /usr/src/sys/dev/fb/vesa.c:1164: undefined reference to `vesa_load_ioctl' vesa.o: In function `vesa_unload': /usr/src/sys/dev/fb/vesa.c:1931: undefined reference to `vesa_unload_ioctl' *** [kernel.debug] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GOLLUM. " Thank you=2C Gollum. =20 = From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 19:34:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98291065670 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:34:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB548FC1B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q7MJYfwM063804; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:34:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:34:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, steve@sohara.org In-Reply-To: <20120822142551.ceefe569.steve@sohara.org> Cc: Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:34:45 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 22 08:27:59 2012 > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:25:51 +0100 > From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full > > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:14:35 -0500 (CDT) > Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 22 05:59:52 2012 > > > Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200 > > > From: Andy Wodfer > > > To: freebsd-questions > > > Subject: /tmp filesystem full > > > > > > Hi, > > > I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the > > > periodic LOCATE script runs every week. > > > > > > What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply > > > remove it and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead > > > (where I have several hundred GBs free)? > > > > That is a BAD IDEA(tm)! > > > > There are appliations that assume /tmp, /var/tmp, and /usr/tmp are > > _distinct_ directories. They will create files _with_the_same_name_ in > > two of those 'temp' locations, expecting them to be unique.o > > /usr/tmp usually does not exist so creating it and > symlinking /tmp to it is OK. I've used enough different versions of Unix wher '/usr/tmp/ _was_ a standard diretory to be *very* leery. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 19:48:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1482106566C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:48:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82048FC08 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so1230168yhf.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:48:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:disposition-notification-to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=xVw7z0rroCiKPGaa+Mevw6Q3KPW5N/9sdU6f9nbSFFY=; b=IGyGr6E7U626RK2T6a3N1cfiJjQVRxCGVue8Zgqt28S4FTe1FJY8E+5v+K6t3WeS7V VhkRk8perW7UbJNta8o9ZJoLrsFHH/wtRW/Lv6/y2Q+X4LQEubz4YMlT0NfDgPHNlU6L dapDrFla5yJvAXMwpIb5VUDlb1VR7apv6MW/tYxo33p2K8FMqwduMk0lEBCdCOtbCbgX oDF0tn2HC/O8Ewv9LACQeo1QhyqmkQ+E3bk3X/pGGJgVm9V8WhNwjwPq2Z6QmbnVyptk cvHSsmQNvtYY3w9cFj9Dli7YKNxeIy4uDSFgdxRFHUxpVwXzNMWgJtuDnEm+Ed4kV12o dUug== Received: by 10.236.190.42 with SMTP id d30mr29928180yhn.62.1345664916406; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([177.82.33.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5sm9490031yhk.21.2012.08.22.12.48.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 16:48:31 -0300 Message-ID: <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:48:38 -0000 If you use zfs, that is easy... zfs set quota=NNG pool/tmp if not.... try to mount tmp in memory... in /etc/rc.conf.... tmpmfs="YES" tmpsize="400m" reboot this would create a /tmp in memory (swap) size=400 Megabytes.... Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 19:48:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C1110656A4 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:48:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb.1234abcd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5351C8FC0C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so2427443obb.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2i3YUoD5KIR9L+IRVGjLbj0wgta2bgyArUOCuD6NsaY=; b=u/OCTGKX2ERMKzJnCEtRhEcikLr3MnSnYFvGhnZ1BSJg7DTUlQZYwMb1fGpFTa6CfQ P4LLHm4S4DzAbBruIeneFiJB6V3l5xl7YV1/QfVZmLlYBF30/OA5gONLDuEw/6NI009p /Tm2HmqywHgllMALPuHpQp/m+Fu/vg/i+k8aaJPEmc+cCFroVXBPnty0LucIG/lEaJxf EjFGWDNqBxOWTOebFpJm7vEn7qZfaVuwwztD2ADtWJCmxd7IWMGnbYt+C3eY8V1i3fNQ bTq0BDkvmjljxIH6WndknWX96ziOBSRa34zK7ARZYKzmOVlCWt2fZ+Ua/4aZW0gsr+Z6 e3aA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.7.195 with SMTP id l3mr16252741oea.75.1345664927631; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.61.104 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:48:47 +0200 Message-ID: From: J B To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:48:48 -0000 Hi, I think it would be useful to get familiar with what systemd is, technically and fundamentally. Here is a thread in which a knowledgeable professional questions many technical aspects of it: open this thread in one browser window (to get a nice overview of what you already read): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/thread.html#152323 and start with the first post in another window (the reason is that tricksters tried to change the thread subject, but if you follow thr thread with "next" post you will not miss anything; be patient - there are some intermediate posts that are noice): systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :) Denys Vlasenko http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152323.html There are important points raised: - going beyond system init replacement, systemd to be a platform for OS, together with GNOME 3 - not adhering to UNIX principles (modularity, etc) - interference with sysadmin duties/decisions to set up the system (e.g. loading modules on its own and e.g. enabling sys capabilities and protocols) - there are many other phantom reasons systemd was introduced as the next thing after the sliced bread invention, like parallelization that is not (but they sold it as if they implemented concurrency) This is just an intro ... There is much more to be questioned if you know what and care to. The author of this snake oil knows what and why he sells it. He is not a UNIX mind. One can scratch her head thinking what kind of pseudo "progress" can be sold to those goofies in Linux ecosystem, and apparently in *BSD ecosystem as well. The Slackware dev hit it exactly on the nail ! Think and enjoy it. I will eventually comment more on it later as well. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 21:14:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42CF106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364B28FC0C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so71165wib.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:14:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=kuGLTR8T0xJzK+SPEO+qYlw3kgxiiRqpbihlMwdahPs=; b=BL2xjbaoc/VmVYfKhR+wUaH4XYldURiyyKF1n3zuW5gJcKTOyks+l5UHpMvVJG4N3R ZaHReS1hj2x5Om0uxyh3WS1aSylRotJ442LSTNbAD+F5WSZUc6krRW+4K8DMEtEqNI73 i7BnluYK19mVpE8UwU6TJpmS4/pq6U9P21mlh9+xT5o4k341FpFca+lt6f8WQ4YcIrNx 8CxLsnSv3kpF/PYAH4mdW1xb6h7UrLC7zJyv3CdcYLyBPxKOhgAD9ZQLrRyUpZjLeRdr C+VVu34Cd3dJwpkeo6eWIRPo856EloSN0nBIt8ZL9OQLSgUpZ+OtggdU0bWk7HpLdZOy jb1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.19.169 with SMTP id g9mr8914105wie.9.1345670057949; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.160.9 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:14:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:14:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQktqxhyMMK2US0VLV6A4xb2q2c0FBPUEhjIts9DUJ2qQNo1lIRfUrAxKhXA+s8FrhXzW/mb Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:14:19 -0000 This will happen automatically if you go to multiuser without a writeable /tmp. See /etc/rc.d/tmp I have a problem with the semantics of the rc scripts for this and var, though - if you are going to use a memory-backed filesystem, you should reserve all the space at the outset. "Bad things" can occur as you approach the memory limit (like a kernel panic) otherwise. I'd prefer something like this: _mdunit=`mdconfig -a -n -t malloc -o reserve -s ${tmpsize}` newfs /dev/md${_mdunit} > /dev/null 2>&1 mount -o ${tmpmfs_flags} /dev/md${_mdunit} /tmp But that's just me. mount_md doesn't quite do this. -M On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > If you use zfs, that is easy... zfs set quota=NNG pool/tmp > > if not.... > try to mount tmp in memory... > in /etc/rc.conf.... > > tmpmfs="YES" > tmpsize="400m" > > reboot > this would create a /tmp in memory (swap) > size=400 Megabytes.... > > Sergio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 22:21:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934AF10656D2 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B538FC1B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so115660wib.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:21:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8GT9b9HXJI/MMn7M2zlFjpmzSPuyuaBIsnSNJb/VZeg=; b=WXEs1xnNGUHVTBvNAvZQLlcnYPQObsILroapQzskECfOLuJuKA7XO4rqM3x7flXmBb k65h6QWimftRwkMKnFtKYdEDHvOWKrdeHl10tgjBWOwzIp1TK3qEaY9s6O6aIIojDQxX LnwGJ3heKnIFjItn0AcDyuf8RSlpJnNHLWaJVnkHk5n5f+pmYrcIRDzRlSY9zbEwzzeN Nw4/AI3M9lZaAD3VCV4pT5yayIHI+j/pi4BpQQq1XoBYrMpx7Ktt1ecPmRr7SDXG9y6E lFdFi8f9n7KaLp6+VJDjzp09+KHXNVePi7bBvEXsr4aZ1iVd/U14fqoWIhmqEjJFKA9R q+Yw== Received: by 10.216.232.32 with SMTP id m32mr2404680weq.186.1345674075774; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r9sm6258583wia.2.2012.08.22.15.21.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:21:12 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:21:17 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:14:17 -0700 Michael Sierchio wrote: > This will happen automatically if you go to multiuser without a > writeable /tmp. See /etc/rc.d/tmp It doesn't, the default is an old-fashioned md device, not tmpfs. > I have a problem with the semantics of the rc scripts for this and > var, though - if you are going to use a memory-backed filesystem, you > should reserve all the space at the outset. It defaults to 20MB. There's no such thing as an unlimited md-backed device > "Bad things" can occur as > you approach the memory limit (like a kernel panic) otherwise. Provided that you have swap you can have a /tmp that's much bigger than memory with either md or tmpfs. > I'd prefer something like this: > > _mdunit=`mdconfig -a -n -t malloc -o reserve -s ${tmpsize}` It's a bad idea to use a malloc device as it uses wired kernel memory, the default allows the files to be written out to swap rather than panic the kernel. > newfs /dev/md${_mdunit} > /dev/null 2>&1 > mount -o ${tmpmfs_flags} /dev/md${_mdunit} /tmp > > But that's just me. mount_md doesn't quite do this. 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[87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b7sm15898219wiz.9.2012.08.22.15.29.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:29:07 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:29:12 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:21:12 +0100 RW wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:14:17 -0700 > Michael Sierchio wrote: > > > This will happen automatically if you go to multiuser without a > > writeable /tmp. See /etc/rc.d/tmp > > It doesn't, the default is an old-fashioned md device, not tmpfs. Sorry I misread the previous post which *was* referring to an md device, but the rest is right. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 23:07:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BF91065670 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dacoder@dcoder.net) Received: from ns3.dcoder.net (ns3.dcoder.net [128.177.28.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132348FC18 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ns3.dcoder.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 919255DAC6; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:50 -0400 From: david coder To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Subject: firefox & png X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:07:49 -0000 is there a system png that comes w/ 8.3 that is distinct from the ports png? if not, how explain that install of firefox-14.0.1 fails w/ the error message that the system png does not support APNG even though the makefile for the png port contains the line OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On ? i am puzzled. thx. david coder From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 23:10:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F03F106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lhao62@kimo.com) Received: from smtpa.meduniwien.ac.at (maud.srv.meduniwien.ac.at [149.148.224.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50468FC0C for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpa.meduniwien.ac.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpa.meduniwien.ac.at (Postfix) with SMTP id 194DA62721 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:05:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from SERVER (unknown [69.15.231.133]) by smtpa.meduniwien.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BFC4062717 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:05:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00eeadd8-41143-9c78793380706@server> From: "Li Hao" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2012.8.22.225415 Subject: Proposition X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Li Hao List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:10:35 -0000 Greetings, I am Mr. Li Hao, CFO of China Merchants Bank, P.R.C. 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Warmest, LH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 23:17:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D363B106564A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:17:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BAD8FC15 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11B93CEFA; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7MNHp4W004248; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:17:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:17:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: david coder Message-Id: <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox & png X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:17:54 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:50 -0400, david coder wrote: > is there a system png that comes w/ 8.3 that is distinct from the ports png? > if not, how explain that install of firefox-14.0.1 fails w/ the error message > that the system png does not support APNG even though the makefile for the > png port contains the line > > OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On > > ? > > i am puzzled. The question has already been answered on 2012-08-02. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-August/243984.html You need to recompile the PNG library (from ports, does _not_ belong to the system - it's /usr/ports/graphics/png that will install libpng to your system) with the "Animated PNG support" (APNG) option [x] set. After doing so, you will be able to resume your Firefox build. See "man ports" or the manual of your port management tool (e. g. portmaster) on how to do that. Make sure you do "make clean" prior to that attempt. >From the error message which you _have not shown_ (so I'm just guessing) it seems that libpng has been installed without the animation support. If you can make sure it's properly installed and you still get the error, please _show_ the error here so a better diagnostics step can be done. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 23:44:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8A9106566B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dacoder@dcoder.net) Received: from ns3.dcoder.net (ns3.dcoder.net [128.177.28.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F398FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ns3.dcoder.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9D9155DAC6; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:43:55 -0400 From: david coder To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> Mail-Followup-To: Polytropon , questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox & png X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:44:13 -0000 thx, i hadn't seen the reply to my earlier message. unfortunately, though i've got the png port installed w/ OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On the install of freebsd fails w/ the error message given below. is there something else required in the png makefile or elsewhere that i'm missing? some writers have insisted that a recent install of the os is also needed, but that is also a non-issue for my boxes: they're up to date. installing firefox is not as urgent for me since chrome is adequate for most purposes, but still... thx for your reply. any further thoughts would be appreciated. david +++ Polytropon [23/08/12 01:17 +0200]: >On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:50 -0400, david coder wrote: >> is there a system png that comes w/ 8.3 that is distinct from the ports png? >> if not, how explain that install of firefox-14.0.1 fails w/ the error message >> that the system png does not support APNG even though the makefile for the >> png port contains the line >> >> OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On >> >> ? >> >> i am puzzled. > >The question has already been answered on 2012-08-02. > >http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-August/243984.html > >You need to recompile the PNG library (from ports, does _not_ >belong to the system - it's /usr/ports/graphics/png that will >install libpng to your system) with the "Animated PNG support" >(APNG) option [x] set. After doing so, you will be able to resume >your Firefox build. See "man ports" or the manual of your port >management tool (e. g. portmaster) on how to do that. Make sure >you do "make clean" prior to that attempt. > >>From the error message which you _have not shown_ (so I'm just >guessing) it seems that libpng has been installed without the >animation support. If you can make sure it's properly installed >and you still get the error, please _show_ the error here so a >better diagnostics step can be done. > > >-- >Polytropon >Magdeburg, Germany >Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 >Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 00:00:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7F3106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F858FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928703CEEE; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:00:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7N00FtH004421; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:00:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:00:15 +0200 From: Polytropon To: david coder Message-Id: <20120823020015.644e38b0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox & png X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:16 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:43:55 -0400, david coder wrote: > thx, i hadn't seen the reply to my earlier message. > > unfortunately, though i've got the png port installed w/ > > OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On That should be the default. Anyway, you can always check which options had been in use when building and installing a port: % cat /var/db/ports/png/options # This file is auto-generated by 'make config'. # No user-servicable parts inside! # Options for png-1.4.8 _OPTIONS_READ=png-1.4.8 WITH_APNG=true In this example you can see that it has been properly installed. > the install of freebsd fails w/ the error message given below. Sadly the Firefox build error message is not included. > is there something else required in the png makefile or elsewhere that i'm > missing? I'm sure this entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING applies: 20120531: AFFECTS: users of graphics/png AUTHOR: dinoex@FreeBSD.org The PNG library has been updated to version 1.5.10. Please rebuild all ports that depend on it. If you use portmaster: portmaster -r png- If you use portupgrade: portupgrade -fr graphics/png It's easy to do so as the required commands are provided. Make sure your ports tree is up to date and follow the advice to install all ports depending on the _latest_ libpng (which you seem to have installed, as you confirmed). > some writers have insisted that a recent install of the os is also needed, > but that is also a non-issue for my boxes: they're up to date. That is only needed when a 3rd party program or library requires a newer OS version. The OS itself does not provide a PNG library. If such a requirement is present, ports usually refuse to build on older systems (the Makefile refuses to continue working if the minimum OS version is not met). Such a change in a port will definitely be mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING, a file worth checking whenever dealing with updates as it often contains important information regarding such changes. > installing firefox is not as urgent for me since chrome is adequate for most > purposes, but still... I also have Firefox installed here, even though it's not up to date, perfectly fitting the system's outdatedness. :-) I had no problems installing it. Examining the Makefile of Firefox (/usr/ports/www/firefox/Makefile) I don't see anything that mentions libpng or animated PNG support. Maybe this is a dependency of a dependency of Firefox? Again, this seems to match the entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING. It does _not_ require you to reinstall your OS. Where would we be if every little package addition would force the OS to be reinstalled... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 00:10:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98BE106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E19C8FC15 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [172.17.17.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7N01fiG023538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7N01fal070550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7N01fhV070549; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:41 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Polytropon , questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823000141.GA50918@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [172.17.19.78]); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:01:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on email2.allantgroup.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 172.17.19.78 Cc: Subject: Re: firefox & png X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:10:05 -0000 In the last episode (Aug 22), david coder said: > thx, i hadn't seen the reply to my earlier message. > > unfortunately, though i've got the png port installed w/ > > OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On This line just tells you what the default is on a system that hasn't built the png port yet. Before 2011-07-08, the default was Off. > the install of freebsd fails w/ the error message given below. What does "make showconfig" in the ports/graphics/png directory print? I bet you first installed the png port over a year ago, so you have inherited the Off value from then. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 00:16:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1E6106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:16:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dacoder@dcoder.net) Received: from ns3.dcoder.net (ns3.dcoder.net [128.177.28.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68838FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ns3.dcoder.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 40B805DAC6; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:16:17 -0400 From: david coder To: Dan Nelson Message-ID: <20120823001617.GD4662@mail3.dcoder.net> Mail-Followup-To: Dan Nelson , questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823000141.GA50918@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120823000141.GA50918@dan.emsphone.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox & png X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:16:19 -0000 +++ Dan Nelson [22/08/12 19:01 -0500]: >In the last episode (Aug 22), david coder said: >> thx, i hadn't seen the reply to my earlier message. >> >> unfortunately, though i've got the png port installed w/ >> >> OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On > >This line just tells you what the default is on a system that hasn't built >the png port yet. Before 2011-07-08, the default was Off. > >> the install of freebsd fails w/ the error message given below. > >What does "make showconfig" in the ports/graphics/png directory print? I >bet you first installed the png port over a year ago, so you have inherited >the Off value from then. > >-- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@allantgroup.com >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions right on! thank you. david coder dcodernet >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 00:35:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1451065670 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:35:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A598FC0C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so916086wey.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:35:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=RtO/H0LkJfupXhYoETbuYiJ7wfarAahleOricfrVbGE=; b=ZwXdqBp3gZklcBBXn9MgaP4x97N95NsknaNYQnX/BA2m0O8JH6EzvsabdiyPf6/Csf 0d7CRqEiFa/uZCRE2qrAXmedzCKjj7ApxWyH4Yvc786hDbuRhH8OAOkqmDIkO4qIdIQ5 9MS2pSdxR6jz53ojwM7VNODbrzBcIaE9kjj7ZMyphkLihsSJ6CSizh+p/j7HNUjUXXx1 XxGu9ek7nmQCOo++WCWDS2gcclNTgoW002jWQS8+52M3S34jbvKg0qhs47B2Za+7D9kx jIUxkWC7wofwxHS1XH8df5C68bHxJugAucvrMD/1UAg4F+yBadp1rhkK/mGHMiZGCsIc hMVg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.97.33 with SMTP id dx1mr10039278wib.18.1345682130111; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.160.9 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:35:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: RW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmV8nBgaFDE3+9ojaB69LHju6Z1m/kd0nU/g8vLH2qqu31YOAQr09YRfi8e9mz2b9VkO+65 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:35:32 -0000 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:29 PM, RW wrote: > Sorry I misread the previous post which *was* referring to an md device, > but the rest is right. Not really. ;-) The one compelling reason to use an md filesystem for /tmp or /var is when you have no swap, and/or your root fs is read only (or read mostly), as with embedded computers, Soekris boxes booting from CF, USB stick, or even mSATA (I wouldn't swap on a partition on an MLC mSATA device). In that case, you most certainly want to reserve the space for the filesystem at creation time. Usually /tmp -> /var/tmp is that case. - M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 00:43:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F42F106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493568FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B6027C51; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:43:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7N0hpeG004684; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:43:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:43:51 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Michael Sierchio Message-Id: <20120823024351.16385ade.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:43:59 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:35:29 -0700, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:29 PM, RW wrote: > > > Sorry I misread the previous post which *was* referring to an md device, > > but the rest is right. > > Not really. ;-) The one compelling reason to use an md filesystem for > /tmp or /var is when you have no swap, and/or your root fs is read > only (or read mostly), as with embedded computers, Soekris boxes > booting from CF, USB stick, or even mSATA (I wouldn't swap on a > partition on an MLC mSATA device). > > In that case, you most certainly want to reserve the space for the > filesystem at creation time. Usually > /tmp -> /var/tmp is that case. For the mentioned appliances, that would not be a problem. However there's a distinction between /tmp and /var/tmp that can be summarized like this: The content of /tmp may disappear after a reboot (see clear_tmp_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf), whereas /var/tmp is to be preserved during reboot. Some programs rely on this behavior when putting "delete-temporary" and "keep-temporary" files into the respective directories. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 00:58:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319781065675 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E6E8FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so193285wib.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:58:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=68Jx7t8yEGclx9bxjVUf+PA7i3Q9yP36lJdXdIcdiwI=; b=BpOO8g9PHVi7IoRtk+Po/LSXFLPvbn+EDboJggWmP1ptbmuQB+xK+jR6SS382oYG0t RSRU3ZukwiOWVq42DNXF06KrssqxIZdfhas1yrhoOsf43VJPJTtB/yIAx6MbblXRKC0Y cLfTYL+1k417vY4LAh0Mm2M1eqln6d2vBNIYQZOya0J5j5K1//qS9U2BADYNDBztLvn+ JHySBHUQGvQ33kVuqkOXLKU3ypT5ggIsKMT869MQtItxEt9fTP+hn0JFeoRmZiFgzrVJ Gi9ubG2F6LYCtnnmiUJw4NcSwyRxIMDc4b1tsZsdm1XhqmaX99SJlWiKzxcXQylYeHOm SxfQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.203.154 with SMTP id f26mr2606869weo.104.1345683482466; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.160.9 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:58:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120823024351.16385ade.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120823024351.16385ade.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:58:02 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlFoNBk4Vl1ntK3uzCBzEeZOxVeqCVra6z7CwhdFXt2cScB4iuVLzKGHbnmF5Hc8Qg9X0eR Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:58:04 -0000 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Polytropon wrote: > For the mentioned appliances, that would not be a problem. > However there's a distinction between /tmp and /var/tmp > that can be summarized like this: The content of /tmp may > disappear after a reboot (see clear_tmp_enable="YES" in > /etc/rc.conf), whereas /var/tmp is to be preserved during > reboot. Some programs rely on this behavior when putting > "delete-temporary" and "keep-temporary" files into the > respective directories. You are quite right - most of what's in /var is expected to be persistent. In the case where /var/tmp is on a mfs, it's hard to oblige. On these same systems, I do have rc scripts that save parts of /var (those listed in an rc.conf variable) for shutdown, and populate those dirs (after /etc/rc.d/var does its mtree stuff) on start up. - M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 00:58:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2572A10656B7 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from gw18.lax01.mailroute.net (lax-gw18.mailroute.net [199.89.0.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D2C8FC33 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gw18.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D40A179A39E; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:49:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from gw18.lax01.mailroute.net ([199.89.0.118]) by localhost (gw18.lax01.mailroute.net.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id 9bJnQkvqSMSx; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:49:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by gw18.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BD9179A382; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:49:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D53491FD2; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:49:46 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: David Jackson References: x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.19.11.19; tzolkin = 13 Cauac; haab = 2 Mol Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:49:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: (David Jackson's message of "Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:04:25 -0400") Message-ID: <864nnuo2j9.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: jb , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:58:40 -0000 >>>>> "David" == David Jackson writes: David> The fact is, FreeBSD can fully support systemd and all kernel and system David> features, there is nothing here that is impossible for FreeBSD to David> support. So this statement in the WikiP is false? systemd is Linux-only by design, as it relies upon features such as cgroups and fanotify.[6] Debian is avoiding the adoption of systemd due to this issue.[7] -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 02:14:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94E5106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:14:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jedwards@bsdftw.org) Received: from mail.bsdftw.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:c630:3000::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27218FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.bsdftw.org (websrv [IPv6:2001:470:c630:1000::]) by mail.bsdftw.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5B6A30C; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 64.210.199.233 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jedwards) by webmail.bsdftw.org with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:14:32 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201208211727.AA529531400@mail.Go2France.com> References: <201208211727.AA529531400@mail.Go2France.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:14:32 -0400 From: "James Edwards" To: lconrad@Go2France.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with r-o access in jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:14:33 -0000 > Want a nullfs filesystem to be read-only for tech people to search-only > maillog files. > > host machine's files: > > /var/log/mx1/maillog* files > > the maillog files are all 644 and r bit is set all along the path > > > using ezjail > > jail root is /var/jails > > jail name is fixit > > mkdir -p /var/jails/fixit/mx1 > > fixit/mx1 dir has 644 and r bit is set all along the path > The directory permissions should have the execute bit set, it should be set to 755 instead of 644. > mount_nullfs -o ro /var/log/mx1 /var/jails/fixit/mx1 > > > "ezjail-admin console fixit" as fixit jail root user > > > I add a user fixit:fixit > > > ssh logon to fixit jail's ip as user fixit > > ll /mx1 > > gives nothing but: > > ls: maillog.45.bz2: Permission denied > ls: maillog.46.bz2: Permission denied > ls: maillog.47.bz2: Permission denied > ls: maillog.48.bz2: Permission denied > ls: maillog.49.bz2: Permission denied > ls: maillog.5.bz2: Permission denied > ls: maillog.50.bz2: Permission denied > ls: maillog.51.bz2: Permission denied > If your permissions are set to 644 on the directories, this is the result of 'ls'. After changing the directories permissions to 755, the 'Permission denied' errors will stop. > > > ezjail-admin console fixit > > ...shows the /mx1/maillog* files all to be 644 > > If move the jail fixit user from group fixit to group wheel, user fixit > has access to /mx1/maillog* files. > > suggestions? > > thanks, > Len -- Regards, James Edwards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 02:17:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE296106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:17:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393E98FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so231000wib.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:17:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PmgB8bWodSFABKEDrdzqqdqqGBqTbtvP1UpN6VRTmrQ=; b=xl5EbzhfZm4u6MwpwmZaEpW87ZEsP/ybocUCoa9fM3yuZQZcH+cf1YT61mhhQk6Hou VX11jCjlpt+Xrl3A0LpMdvvNmf2vKDeqsutI96yldlrSbtC9oycRbO26qNp6YibcpsXR SxzKzLr6j0cJ2mGsjQMdfU1gd8W4ClnqbD/P7ZlspLZ3xcpv7qHZmyR0J28VPWeoSFwY JDJR2SljlkI7n0y03iQxVVVIkuyJPK8kDZWyZPY5SUfsnJy4dgCbRwhSAsbFas2gj/bt 1/X5HCBqYNLbmliZUrEDnmB7UChzyPIpDPPy5ih5DHeRlDi02TZN3I3+u2eo6w7yupAH bWLQ== Received: by 10.216.233.208 with SMTP id p58mr11185324weq.56.1345688276809; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k20sm42384597wiv.11.2012.08.22.19.17.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:17:54 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823031754.0b52bed6@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:17:58 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:35:29 -0700 Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:29 PM, RW > wrote: > > > Sorry I misread the previous post which *was* referring to an md > > device, but the rest is right. > > Not really. ;-) The one compelling reason to use an md filesystem for > /tmp or /var is when you have no swap, and/or your root fs is > read-only tmpfs and "swap" md devices don't actually need swap. I don't seen any advantage in your way of creating an md device for /tmp. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 04:24:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B06B106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:24:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF3B8FC0C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so211652wgb.31 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:24:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=m0h4ZeluHtqSd5heSZtzx6gCjXx6K9d2NmBZpggwgHo=; b=YHRnIOb/YlZeSsHpjz/LdYIXnpsyNKgTOtjtWJLmcmLkjXX06lzg4rCS28ZXlMFS5i FMa3VHSAEHLDxlJWl0xIrzFY/xBjgBYmBGYvZA75H6qSZLknsybu2a7SzWdMQAi5713U VST1u6oSmQ14qYgfkuZi2Q+lAhgCnfRBvGmLUWq/26tv2Ya68ay3Jz8mfrjzuSsK8FIr dJuUmZ2m9PPqT0GKg+hrd3xRFVCPHWO5/7NsAtcfGDi4g4EUd7LmMicyeOwt57rgQNUl crvS0zKlYo0Y31T+bnEnzajtNsQtYSowTDTKIULbiKrZ563rb1ruVonTeMjhU7QbCA/P ymJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.82.164 with SMTP id j4mr558391wiy.18.1345695887800; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.160.9 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:24:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120823031754.0b52bed6@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120823031754.0b52bed6@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:24:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: RW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmRM9h/Qd2EawH9zwMozObczyqw5lIDOAqaTfp8HpzKP7oOmXeZuObdBOu0+GLOKmwju00+ Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:24:49 -0000 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:17 PM, RW wrote: > tmpfs and "swap" md devices don't actually need swap. I don't seen any > advantage in your way of creating an md device for /tmp. Then you don't understand. ;-) The advantage of my approach is avoiding a kernel panic when writing to the tmpfs when you haven't pre-allocated all the filesystem space at creation time. If that happens to matter to you... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 05:39:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714A4106567C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5488FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7N5dIdV025801 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:39:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <5035C204.1060009@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:39:16 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: why does /etc/namedb link to /var? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:39:24 -0000 Can anyone shed light on why /etc/namedb is a symlink to /var/named/etc/namedb? It seems to me this is general configuration stuff which should be in /etc/namedb on the root partition, not on /var. I thought /var was used for things like logs, process ids of running processes, etc. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 05:47:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3961065675 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983628FC1C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.113.98.152] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T4QG8-0006ne-0O for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:47:12 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7N5lDXs001243 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:47:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id q7N5lCOC001242 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:47:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:47:12 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823054711.GA1210@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <5035C204.1060009@dreamchaser.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5035C204.1060009@dreamchaser.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 82.113.98.152 Subject: Re: why does /etc/namedb link to /var? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:47:14 -0000 El día Wednesday, August 22, 2012 a las 11:39:16PM -0600, Gary Aitken escribió: > Can anyone shed light on why /etc/namedb is a symlink to /var/named/etc/namedb? > > It seems to me this is general configuration stuff which should be in /etc/namedb on the root partition, not on /var. I thought /var was used for things like logs, process ids of running processes, etc. Do not underestimate the importants of the /var partition; a lot of other tool have their "database" there, for example /var/db etc. matthias -- Matthias Apitz e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 05:53:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B44E106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75AC8FC16 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.local (host109-151-154-120.range109-151.btcentralplus.com [109.151.154.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7N5rHc2011372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:53:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q7N5rHc2011372 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q7N5rHc2011372; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host host109-151-154-120.range109-151.btcentralplus.com [109.151.154.120] claimed to be seedling.local Message-ID: <5035C544.3070502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:53:08 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org References: <5035C204.1060009@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <5035C204.1060009@dreamchaser.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig882ADC9E8F67380ACEDD88D8" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: why does /etc/namedb link to /var? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 05:53:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig882ADC9E8F67380ACEDD88D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 23/08/2012 06:39, Gary Aitken wrote: > Can anyone shed light on why /etc/namedb is a symlink to /var/named/etc= /namedb? Because named chroots into /var/named in the default configuration. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig882ADC9E8F67380ACEDD88D8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA1xUwACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzGYACfexhp077ICt9URXV21rEFnPww SLoAn0OQrfNsJchIxkU63C4lEtdxezF+ =VIa5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig882ADC9E8F67380ACEDD88D8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 06:00:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934991065670 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1808FC19 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7N60A8w025895 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:08 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:00:10 -0000 For the photo folks -- What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? I've tried exif exiftags exifprobe and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly pen-ep3. In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, and they seem to display different parts of things, but not everything. I ended up installing a PhotoME windoze .exe under wine. It works, but I'd like a command line tool. Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 06:11:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC3A106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:11:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au) Received: from mail.unitedinsong.com.au (mail.unitedinsong.com.au [150.101.178.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDAC8FC0C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop3.herveybayaustralia.com.au (unknown [192.168.0.147]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.unitedinsong.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F09895C29 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:26:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <5035C98F.4010904@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:11:27 +1000 From: Da Rock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120728 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: apache webdav svn locking issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:11:35 -0000 I've got a webdav setup on apache using svn, and all seems well until I use openoffice and it comes up with locking issues. I can mount the webdav drive and use locking to stop the io errors in openoffice, but it still tells me it is locked and can only be opened read only. I've checked thoroughly and there is no .~lock file, but in the apache logs it says it returned a 423 error when the file is queried. Apparently openoffice requests again, and finds no .~lock file (404). I'm assuming svn provides the locking data, correct? Anyone know the incantations to clear it? Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 06:54:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1581065694 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F708FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7N6s7rS003439 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:54:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7N6s679003438 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:54:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:54:06 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823065406.GA3410@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823020015.644e38b0.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120823020015.644e38b0.freebsd@edvax.de> x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: firefox & png X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:54:17 -0000 [ Polytropon wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 2:00:15 +0200 ] > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:43:55 -0400, david coder wrote: > > thx, i hadn't seen the reply to my earlier message. > > > > unfortunately, though i've got the png port installed w/ > > > > OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On > > That should be the default. Anyway, you can always check which > options had been in use when building and installing a port: > > % cat /var/db/ports/png/options > # This file is auto-generated by 'make config'. > # No user-servicable parts inside! > # Options for png-1.4.8 > _OPTIONS_READ=png-1.4.8 > WITH_APNG=true > > In this example you can see that it has been properly installed. > > > > > the install of freebsd fails w/ the error message given below. > > Sadly the Firefox build error message is not included. > > > > > is there something else required in the png makefile or elsewhere that i'm > > missing? > > I'm sure this entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING applies: > > 20120531: > AFFECTS: users of graphics/png > AUTHOR: dinoex@FreeBSD.org > > The PNG library has been updated to version 1.5.10. Please rebuild all > ports that depend on it. I built Firefox 14 a couple of days ago and png installed is now version 1.5.12. So an updated ports tree should incorporate that change now shouldn't it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 07:04:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D267106566C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1673E8FC15 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7N74Fr3003507 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:04:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7N74FTX003506 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:04:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:04:15 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823070415.GB3410@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5035C204.1060009@dreamchaser.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5035C204.1060009@dreamchaser.org> x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: why does /etc/namedb link to /var? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:04:17 -0000 [ Gary Aitken wrote on Wed 22.Aug'12 at 23:39:16 -0600 ] > Can anyone shed light on why /etc/namedb is a symlink to /var/named/etc/namedb? > > It seems to me this is general configuration stuff which should be in /etc/namedb on the root partition, not on /var. I thought /var was used for things like logs, process ids of running processes, etc. > > Gary If you read this http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-dns.html thoroughly it explains why. It's a security feature and therefore chroot's in /var/namedb/etc/namedb. You will probably need to adjust your zone files to provide the full path name in the file statement within them. That's what I needed to do when I set up named earlier this week. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 08:05:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7597106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller23@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp3.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBCD8FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:05:37 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=B8CxCds9LNLAkbLigmvhyK8iSqMYAcEIwgC/8ZAdZlo= c=1 sm=0 a=3puwZZ_Au4IA:10 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=uBHRVMr4r2AA:10 a=NSS67YjyK64CLNiA77YA:9 a=AcdsImxJPJ9Yo6Ye3TGm+Q==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp01.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=mueller23@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp01.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.134.34.76 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.134.34.76] ([74.134.34.76:47717] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id 8D/8A-18277-A44E5305; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:05:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:05:30 -0400 Message-ID: <8D.8A.18277.A44E5305@smtp01.insight.synacor.com> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: "Randal L. Schwartz" Subject: Re: Warning - FreeBSD (*BSD) entanglement in Linux ecosystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:05:38 -0000 > So this statement in the WikiP is false? > systemd is Linux-only by design, as it relies upon features such as > cgroups and fanotify.[6] Debian is avoiding the adoption of systemd due > to this issue.[7] > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. I read an article online about some Linux constructs make it very difficult to port some software to BSD. This included systemd, also Xfce and GNOME 3. I figure this is why GNOME 3, out for some time now, has not yet been ported to FreeBSD ports or NetBSD pkgsrc. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 08:50:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4939106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjr@cruwe.de) Received: from cruwe.de (cruwe.de [188.40.164.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D2E8FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruwe.de (unknown [127.0.0.4]) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF73ADD24 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:42:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cruwe.de (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A50CBDD23; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:42:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.cruwe.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from dijkstra.cruwe.de (unknown [89.1.20.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CA9DDD20 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:42:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:42:29 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823104229.64a67154@dijkstra.cruwe.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/kaxI2KlQM8m/LQpS.l8Ow+n"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV on mail.cruwe.de using ClamSMTP Subject: [OT:] tools/methods for automated cross-platform packaging? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:50:34 -0000 --Sig_/kaxI2KlQM8m/LQpS.l8Ow+n Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently, I am looking into the problem of providing software packages for different platforms via native packages in a Continuous Integration Environment. The software in question is pure Java, so binary compatibility and/or cross-compilation issue resolves to having a conforming JRE installed on the target-platform. I know this question is prone for another OSI-10 flame-war on the "Java is the OS" statement - please don't. It is a customer requirement I must conform to. The (non-)intelligence of that requirement might be questioned, but ... Having looked into the issue of cross-platform packaging systems, I have found mostly separate package managers which require to be installed on the target-platform and manage a separate environment (viz OpenPkg, IPS). These do not help, as the customers require native packages. Apparantly, there are tools which take compiled binaries and wrap those into some package-format - EPM and ProjectBuilder do such a thing. The first has it's last commit by December 2010 and the second seems to be a one-man-show, so those (I did not find alternatives) are of questionable value in a long-term productive environment. Other projects manage to provide packages for a multitude of platforms. Are these built (semi-)manually by volunteers or distribution providers or is there any packaging infrastructure available to automate the task of taking sources to compile and package them? As I am talking of Java, a tool which packages binaries would be entirely sufficient. Thanks for any ideas or hints, cheers, --=20 Christopher J. Ruwe TZ: GMT + 2h --Sig_/kaxI2KlQM8m/LQpS.l8Ow+n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQNez9AAoJEJTIKW/o3iwU2OoP/ArjF4t1w2/LEYF6rHPjBhsV tPKa2iGRixsh/e1gIWG1Iz5OBKCUUKK4nMnn+QE6KMBoDbj2+7vZhifzXYwHpa3q HTZSsKHRSqM27alNsG3NkKIsTXRrjz2tGPKQMDEmpcSfHl2t5Y1Z6zyCa9bv3aAg AKoM0IDCqnU6GELynerdorOIm5l3grLaidUSuuNecIVJFG9wxX2pFztd8YzrjELb zSimS2y0yrf7mtYEYoWnGfwo69cQfsuGCz4pPe9/Ft7J6RW92pNlBqBtCSMnCsDA KmYbZQruCLoB/o7BsPiZfj4CqqoXPRuaTL7Ob8/r5uNWVRz4g2QJfHYFQSNz7XcM UYWh2jtIkuBbtaExPt7p9TfWDVzkgUmxLYstiSIQHnAcgFwfxyqxD2+KSz8v0liy 8Qq41tzuX9MO7c8NaWocXSl77ss3ycBW17Dssm/8rCtbhYJyhkAN0pH4sL27wslc EIvflf4i7PlNJBZVQ7MNXH/OUI0LjF51G9KrrJ+XNVYy7dmwjQLqpEi0EiozsH/C g3CpcaNzWA1q6rHGNTl2/CV9X6ButaRvbLWrH4qg7NZlJle9d6WTHkP0qB5UJ6hJ Ofezrl4JkhKiiDm2f57QcCK6AROwGvzXKIa5caH2elgm+/DlHQkFWjP/Uo3fDoVj ZQh1E79mupi4Rv8ilv4s =kYAG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/kaxI2KlQM8m/LQpS.l8Ow+n-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 09:04:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5891065673 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:04:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D51C8FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qatn12 with SMTP id n12so360445qat.13 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:04:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zFuIeRSmQ71eknsW8nqftUK8uK7Pe6TXepuQ9ZrYhbQ=; b=glPEhPmEfazJAE1N65BOti81sSLXiIe7wKSxhxbu9DGx/14e3vWyHCxRQDqfWQEuJ3 GuTTGnMSJ8y5TD4Ql2NgCBOr1hfsyoRurUc2sCrd3hXywnvu3PvCmCRBlTtT0Wtnvtj5 mt/4sy8KEWfoNObaoUDq8ofGlp9wfwak/WVIqu0Rv0y7bZ3ZdxiPw1sXBkdRTmPNmOJk b4EKYzK8v3fg/4w4gPtueQCN84DRKt/5CliAtOa5rQSiUMQ0cNzfR1DUfwKym76lkkyE lJR3QHTFQluwZEaGMJNpbWovX6fHr/LkuEIFsHQSyRHXoOd6CJZxvZyKPb8TElRuDwi8 fDQA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.136.82 with SMTP id q18mr315836qct.108.1345712642253; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.164.206 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:04:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120823031754.0b52bed6@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:04:02 +0200 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:04:08 -0000 Can't seem to figure out the problem with MAXPATHLEN. locate: integer out of +-MAXPATHLEN (1024): 1029 In my /etc/locate.rc I have pruned several directories (even the most obvious) - still the locate DB exeeds well over 1GB before outputting this error message. I have moved the tmp dir for locate to /usr/tmp which works fine (changed in locate script) and there is no problems with diskspace here. the find awk command suggested earlier in this thread didn't give me a better clue about what's happening. Anyone have any other ideas what I can try to find out why locate fails? Thanks! Andy On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:17 PM, RW wrote: > > > tmpfs and "swap" md devices don't actually need swap. I don't seen any > > advantage in your way of creating an md device for /tmp. > > Then you don't understand. ;-) The advantage of my approach is > avoiding a kernel panic when writing to the tmpfs when you haven't > pre-allocated all the filesystem space at creation time. If that > happens to matter to you... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 09:04:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE581065674 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9288FC27 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qatn12 with SMTP id n12so360785qat.13 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:04:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LnuB6kVpR+i0ILhJUQaw1wbZ9FfNzeaNgTUs5kdlBCU=; b=lHxRBpddSC/xBWvC3wuzciifcZSWzdgWrFvmaJOtWcaZWO3/DiqP7iTXD5o8pqq8RB AhE1U+e29emJUCor7ALednsx4ntJIH7Im5GskR6XbkfeiwwHP9c3QkLNdZSEvRp5jc8K CgSJgDTEFHyUK+BuWd8SOtXPFuWW4TJkQvyhUyTeUU/PDCs8MKGeFaKEdvuG03fsS/5c zkgdQBd+tztfyK/TkzGFcM07lATflBnAXwlZ6PfuTq/C2YWIsq1sMJnp85bDe4JcCDQ3 9yIGZS9TY/+QjtOrfprM8Oohl8s/SodrEvxW18QHcHoHLdea7GJydlTJTleI6plVbsLU Xq0g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.100 with SMTP id s36mr326700qco.88.1345712688175; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.164.206 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 02:04:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120823031754.0b52bed6@gumby.homeunix.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:04:48 +0200 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:04:49 -0000 Btw, is /etc/locate.rc being read at all? /Andy On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: > Can't seem to figure out the problem with MAXPATHLEN. > > > locate: integer out of +-MAXPATHLEN (1024): 1029 > > > In my /etc/locate.rc I have pruned several directories (even the most > obvious) - still the locate DB exeeds well over 1GB before outputting this > error message. > > I have moved the tmp dir for locate to /usr/tmp which works fine (changed > in locate script) and there is no problems with diskspace here. > > the find awk command suggested earlier in this thread didn't give me a > better clue about what's happening. > > Anyone have any other ideas what I can try to find out why locate fails? > > Thanks! > Andy > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:17 PM, RW wrote: >> >> > tmpfs and "swap" md devices don't actually need swap. I don't seen any >> > advantage in your way of creating an md device for /tmp. >> >> Then you don't understand. ;-) The advantage of my approach is >> avoiding a kernel panic when writing to the tmpfs when you haven't >> pre-allocated all the filesystem space at creation time. If that >> happens to matter to you... >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 11:58:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E1A106566C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F301C8FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaak11 with SMTP id k11so218889eaa.13 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:57:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oPSi/CXL5UN5uxaCZVnWQK0bX3eQDSH76mmAniS8ka8=; b=0I9V5EVJs2LUkuzMzjlcCT41oZeAbpPKhAtMO1OlmBXYN30NajgLeOLEgTd92RWlKE tI7QFUgL3cMOz8HF6O0EWwB1M7lbMzGwNmrYWdcHeGIgB8z8Uz9uiqUZDBzZlZeJ+kRy PXtS2MgboHDxlS/xlYC16id7xiFoX79H+eou6NrVuipfDzywOydN1bjThfHlxvaOVX0J wtVDfJu7mtYn0ffqyfgmvpNim9J54cx0/Y7Npqzsl5qbFPnK+YI5kZxJ0K1/cXcH0306 R6zZDX45h6XQgrIm57bEoPM6OBrOBiNCsz26kCck194SFAfgMGk/FPsdKial7lJ0C5Kd WEKA== Received: by 10.14.206.200 with SMTP id l48mr1555090eeo.41.1345723078585; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k49sm20898462een.4.2012.08.23.04.57.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:57:54 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823125754.53f9f545@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120823031754.0b52bed6@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:58:05 -0000 On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:24:47 -0700 Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:17 PM, RW > wrote: > > > tmpfs and "swap" md devices don't actually need swap. I don't seen > > any advantage in your way of creating an md device for /tmp. > > Then you don't understand. ;-) The advantage of my approach is > avoiding a kernel panic when writing to the tmpfs md device > when you haven't > pre-allocated all the filesystem space at creation time. If that > happens to matter to you... It's the other way around, "malloc" md devices can cause kernel panics. "swap" md device use ordinary VM memory. If you set the limit too high without swap you can slow performance, but it shouldn't cause a kernel panic. The default of 2MB isn't going to make a significant difference on any normal install. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 12:19:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8768F106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1AB8FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7NC0FLH099714; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:00:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <50361AC2.9050708@bananmonarki.se> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:57:54 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120808 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org References: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:19:00 -0000 2012-08-23 08:00, Gary Aitken skrev: > For the photo folks -- > > What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? > I've tried > exif > exiftags > exifprobe > and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly pen-ep3. > In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, > and they seem to display different parts of things, but not everything. Have you tried exif? exif-0.6.20 Command line utility to read and manipulate EXIF data It's in /usr/ports/graphics/exif From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 13:23:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1396106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:23:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D208FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.49]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7991BA719D3 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29504 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2012 13:23:14 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 13929, pid: 20160, t: 0.1478s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:10739 Received: from unknown (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Aug 2012 13:23:14 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 1883433C24; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: antonin tessier References: Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:23:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: (antonin tessier's message of "Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:17:22 +0200") Message-ID: <448vd5pwsd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:23:21 -0000 antonin tessier writes: > I have a problem when I try to build my own kernel. I had never got such a one; here is my kernel configuration file and the building errors that it makes. You left out some devices that are required by other devices in your configuration. for a start, it looks like "man 4 ral" would tell you about a few of them for the ral device. A better way to assemble a kernel configuration would be to start with GENERIC and only change a few items at a time. That way, if it fails to build, you have a narrower idea of where to look for the problem. Or just stay with GENERIC; most consumer PCs have no real reason to need a customized kernel. Good luck. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 13:41:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DB91065676 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D508FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7NDfbwG022002 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:41:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7NDfbK4022001 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:41:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:41:37 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823134137.GA21352@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <448vd5pwsd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <448vd5pwsd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at kontrol.kode5.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:41:40 -0000 [ Lowell Gilbert wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 9:23:14 -0400 ] > antonin tessier writes: > > > I have a problem when I try to build my own kernel. I had never got such a one; here is my kernel configuration file and the building errors that it makes. > Or just stay with GENERIC; most consumer PCs have no real reason to need > a customized kernel. I agree. It boots quickly and it isn't really necessary for the majority of users. I can be useful to learn the procedure, etc. but didn't use the correct command anyway: make buildkernel KERNCONF=KERNELCONFIG ^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 14:20:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FCD106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:20:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03648FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7NEKPhI024250; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:20:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7NEKMVo024247; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:20:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:20:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Gary Aitken In-Reply-To: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: References: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:20:29 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: > For the photo folks -- > > What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? > I've tried > exif > exiftags > exifprobe > and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly pen-ep3. > In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, > and they seem to display different parts of things, but not everything. graphics/p5-Image-ExifTool should be capable of showing everything. It's a Perl module but includes a command-line interface called just exiftool. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 14:28:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C28A106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF83C8FC16 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.48]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AA2A72A9F for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9335 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2012 14:28:48 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 9766, pid: 21454, t: 0.1485s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:10739 Received: from unknown (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Aug 2012 14:28:48 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 64E5233C24; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:28:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <448vd5pwsd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20120823134137.GA21352@kontrol.kode5.net> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:28:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20120823134137.GA21352@kontrol.kode5.net> (Jamie Paul Griffin's message of "Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:41:37 +0100") Message-ID: <44obm1of6o.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:28:50 -0000 Jamie Paul Griffin writes: > [ Lowell Gilbert wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 9:23:14 -0400 ] > >> antonin tessier writes: >> >> > I have a problem when I try to build my own kernel. I had never >> > got such a one; here is my kernel configuration file and the >> > building errors that it makes. > >> Or just stay with GENERIC; most consumer PCs have no real reason to need >> a customized kernel. > > I agree. It boots quickly and it isn't really necessary for the majority of users. I can be useful to learn the procedure, etc. but didn't use the correct command anyway: > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=KERNELCONFIG > ^^^^^^^^^^^ "make kernel" is equivalent to "make buildkernel installkernel". From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 14:38:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225C7106566C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:38:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85448FC0C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AF2246A1; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:38:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7NEcdse002233; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:38:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:38:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-Id: <20120823163839.e2cf7432.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> References: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:38:42 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:08 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > For the photo folks -- > > What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? > I've tried > exif > exiftags > exifprobe > and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly pen-ep3. > In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, > and they seem to display different parts of things, but not everything. I've been using exiv2 (port graphics/exiv2) which fits my needs. Here's an example of its output: % exiv2 cam/img_6842.jpg File name : cam/img_6842.jpg File size : 2887326 Bytes MIME type : image/jpeg Image size : 2816 x 2112 Camera make : Canon Camera model : Canon PowerShot S3 IS Image timestamp : 2011:08:19 09:14:42 Image number : 120-6842 Exposure time : 1/50 s Aperture : F2.7 Exposure bias : 0 EV Flash : No, red-eye reduction Flash bias : 0 EV Focal length : 6.0 mm Subject distance: 68 ISO speed : 100 Exposure mode : Easy shooting (Auto) Metering mode : Multi-segment Macro mode : Off Image quality : Fine Exif Resolution : 2816 x 2112 White balance : Auto Thumbnail : image/jpeg, 5981 Bytes Copyright : Exif comment : See "man exiv2" for details. It's a really versatile program which can be excellently integrated into scripts. In case you need more info from a photo file, use the "strings" utility provided by the system and parse its output. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 14:50:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B640106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6678FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0231527E13; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:50:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7NEoDgo002270; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:50:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:50:13 +0200 From: Polytropon To: kpneal@pobox.com Message-Id: <20120823165013.f131bcf0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120823135408.GA76656@neutralgood.org> References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120823031754.0b52bed6@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120823135408.GA76656@neutralgood.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions , Andy Wodfer Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:50:16 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:54:08 -0400, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:04:02AM +0200, Andy Wodfer wrote: > > Can't seem to figure out the problem with MAXPATHLEN. > > > > locate: integer out of +-MAXPATHLEN (1024): 1029 > > > > > > In my /etc/locate.rc I have pruned several directories (even the most > > obvious) - still the locate DB exeeds well over 1GB before outputting this > > error message. > > > > I have moved the tmp dir for locate to /usr/tmp which works fine (changed > > in locate script) and there is no problems with diskspace here. > > > > the find awk command suggested earlier in this thread didn't give me a > > better clue about what's happening. > > > > Anyone have any other ideas what I can try to find out why locate fails? > > I'm starting to wonder if you have a corrupt filesystem. Do you have > a large number of files or something? My locate database is about three > megs in size. Granted, I don't have that much data to index. On my home system, it's 16 GB, but that's still far away from any gigabyte "barrier"... > A loop in the filesystem will eventually result in a path that is > too long. Use fsck to diagnose a corrupt filesystem if you are using > UFS/UFS2. Performing a file system check is a good advice, just to make sure there's not a file system inconsistency that triggers some abnormal behaviour. Note that _repairing_ a potential defect should be done in single user mode ("boot -s") on the unmounted partitions. > If you don't mind a teeny bit of scripting then you can get close to > the problem with a find command that runs a short python script: > > find / -exec scriptname {} \; > > Where scriptname is an executable file with contents something like this: > > # /usr/local/bin/python > > import sys > > for x in sys.argv[1:]: > if len(x) > 900: # make higher or lower as needed > sys.stdout.write(x + "\n") > sys.stdout.flush() > > This script takes all command line arguments to it and prints them > out if the length of the argument exceeds 900 characters. The find > command I gave above should run this script and give it each > filename as it comes across it. In short and which system tools only: % find / -type d | awk 'length > 900' And with storing a list for further reference: % find / -type d | awk 'length > 900' > /tmp/longpaths.txt Also note that this test only considers path names. In case you have long _file_ names (or names containing corrupt characters maybe), that could also be a problem, as the locate command also records those, if I remember correctly. You can change the "-type d" to "-type f" to test for file names (_including_ the path). See "man find" for details. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 14:51:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7697E1065670 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from krimskrims@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2AF8FC1F for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so2304433obb.13 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=o/DmDRrwP92/I3F7takdFQPeRvnhyvggZtCuuGdg1FY=; b=azl7eV8saX1o++k4Hm+T8GBLxjt3kMfyyKfghkO6BcLSp10lIMLSVX8ZVh3WtzgjrN +0vrgl25+YER1jmQRRZTg+n1b4l7GhEnjrBJnz6PPIx5X1q2I9UIz7/WEyUgx2MLNIw6 HEPOcvz/F3C+eEIyilVO5zYVVqmFecxhtUX6XO8KMYKop32KHnFSHetn/arZL6Bo0W4t rULPfiUXW7UNn4L0LvZ4s1U7xBjEgNZ6hVXPXP4UjV2vhEnsEtka7M0qfrd9VZTk3PjB iRMMtu+kwXm08QwuZ7965lr5YMJyH9XSOMuofpl+Z41vyoeolkKheS/1j8W9gZO4ipkM weyw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.29.165 with SMTP id l5mr1298521oeh.105.1345733470779; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.158.34 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:51:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Krims G To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: implications of adding root to a group X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:51:11 -0000 Hello, I've been looking at the /etc/group and have noticed that some groups have root included in them, for example "operator". Is it not implied that root has access to all things and groups? What is the purpose of adding root to a group? If I add root to some new arbitrary group, what does it result in differently than if I do not add root to that group? Answers & suggestions appreciated, K From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 15:26:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B98106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B6B8FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4ZEJ-00051l-VS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:21:56 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4ZJ6-0008Dq-Bp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:26:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:26:21 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120823162621.ae92b733.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: Re: implications of adding root to a group X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:26:31 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:51:10 -0700 Krims G wrote: > Hello, I've been looking at the /etc/group and have noticed that some > groups have root included in them, for example "operator". Is it not > implied that root has access to all things and groups? What is the purpose > of adding root to a group? If I add root to some new arbitrary group, what > does it result in differently than if I do not add root to that group? The root user has the ability to ignore file permissions, but not the ability to subvert group membership tests in scripts or programs. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 15:43:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5FE1065780 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from oceanpt.safeport.com (oceanpt.safeport.com [65.122.17.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFF68FC1B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oceanpt.safeport.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q7NFap4s077044 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:36:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (oceanpt.safeport.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Subject: freebsd-update question. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 15:43:38 -0000 I wanted to see if I could get an 8.1 system updated to 9.0 (mostly) with freebsd-update. I did this with a source update to RELENG_8_3 and then did the standard stuff to get to 9.0 perl and xdm both gave errors that libutil.so.9 was missing. scanning google and questions suggested this module was removed. Also in some basic way the ports make scripts view the system as an 8.X system as make index gives 'Generating INDEX-8 - please wait.." Can this be repaired? Building from source is out of the question for this system. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 16:24:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54099106566C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B978FC26 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7NGNx98001728 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:23:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7NGNxEc001727 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:23:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:23:59 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823162359.GA1678@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <448vd5pwsd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20120823134137.GA21352@kontrol.kode5.net> <44obm1of6o.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44obm1of6o.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at kontrol.kode5.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:24:02 -0000 [ Lowell Gilbert wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 10:28:47 -0400 ] > Jamie Paul Griffin writes: > > > [ Lowell Gilbert wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 9:23:14 -0400 ] > > > >> antonin tessier writes: > >> > >> > I have a problem when I try to build my own kernel. I had never > >> > got such a one; here is my kernel configuration file and the > >> > building errors that it makes. > > > >> Or just stay with GENERIC; most consumer PCs have no real reason to need > >> a customized kernel. > > > > I agree. It boots quickly and it isn't really necessary for the majority of users. I can be useful to learn the procedure, etc. but didn't use the correct command anyway: > > > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=KERNELCONFIG > > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > "make kernel" is equivalent to "make buildkernel installkernel". Ah, I didn't know that. I just stick to the Handbook info but it's good to learn other options. Cheers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 16:26:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611841065673 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb.1234abcd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC8C8FC17 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so2724785obb.13 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8Ysxn48T9j7eRRRJu2KIA69pPE3VJZTCc+L1QfD5xkE=; b=kN2Qmddt9i0kvpERYF51c00HKlUkvrbZU3Foilhq9gg5ktz5AZIZY2snBD+6G47IS3 uyJVkP+mFBtxC+YosE8aT12ycBy8uiz58zURL1Af5tfgEJkukjZx1KoRG1Fp9BUiyxHK stCCxwtxDBcaTWjZknzvqbF6FjHVK8jbwUVTZaL6gH3E//rACfqBBBCLrqvGd6OahRtD uR2b5cHFFbuKaNzEI7SgsqQ0GWbBuHnu4zsvn3OjJVX9iCGDrpK6RW6BiXtF2sykhFtz lKNN4qFH4UV4URVXElkMt89VERVB2tMztlSx3EWAiW+iLrkY8AJzWnxghogvnWRNMuVr 1yDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.226.41 with SMTP id rp9mr1604750obc.22.1345739165631; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.61.104 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:26:05 +0200 Message-ID: From: J B To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:26:06 -0000 Andy Wodfer wodfer at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 09:04:08 UTC 2012 > Can't seem to figure out the problem with MAXPATHLEN. > locate: integer out of +-MAXPATHLEN (1024): 1029 Your database may be corrupted. I would suggest you delete it and recreate. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 16:26:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5115106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:26:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dacoder@dcoder.net) Received: from ns3.dcoder.net (ns3.dcoder.net [128.177.28.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5ED8FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ns3.dcoder.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 99C235DAC5; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:26:18 -0400 From: david coder To: Jamie Paul Griffin Message-ID: <20120823162618.GE4662@mail3.dcoder.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jamie Paul Griffin , questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823020015.644e38b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120823065406.GA3410@kontrol.kode5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120823065406.GA3410@kontrol.kode5.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox & png X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:26:20 -0000 +++ Jamie Paul Griffin [23/08/12 07:54 +0100]: >[ Polytropon wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 2:00:15 +0200 ] > >> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:43:55 -0400, david coder wrote: >> > thx, i hadn't seen the reply to my earlier message. >> > >> > unfortunately, though i've got the png port installed w/ >> > >> > OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On >> >> That should be the default. Anyway, you can always check which >> options had been in use when building and installing a port: >> >> % cat /var/db/ports/png/options >> # This file is auto-generated by 'make config'. >> # No user-servicable parts inside! >> # Options for png-1.4.8 >> _OPTIONS_READ=png-1.4.8 >> WITH_APNG=true >> >> In this example you can see that it has been properly installed. >> >> >> >> > the install of freebsd fails w/ the error message given below. >> >> Sadly the Firefox build error message is not included. >> >> >> >> > is there something else required in the png makefile or elsewhere that i'm >> > missing? >> >> I'm sure this entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING applies: >> >> 20120531: >> AFFECTS: users of graphics/png >> AUTHOR: dinoex@FreeBSD.org >> >> The PNG library has been updated to version 1.5.10. Please rebuild all >> ports that depend on it. > >I built Firefox 14 a couple of days ago and png installed is now version 1.5.12. So an updated ports tree should incorporate that change now shouldn't it. true, but from what i have been able to sniff out on my own, ports configuration data are stored in /usr/local/include, not anywhere in the ports tree, so that if png has been installed already & you do a "make showconfig" in /usr/ports/graphics/png, the data are read from files in /usr/local/include, & if you run "make config" in /usr/ports/graphics/png, the files affected by any change are in /usr/local/include, not anywhere in the ports tree. this has been a learning experience for me & prolly will continue to be as others here correct me. david coder From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 16:32:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D1C1065676 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E4F8FC1F for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE74B27C6A; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7NGWaZ2001883; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:32:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:32:36 +0200 From: Polytropon To: doug@safeport.com Message-Id: <20120823183236.7bda3401.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update question. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:32:38 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:36:51 -0400 (EDT), doug@safeport.com wrote: > I wanted to see if I could get an 8.1 system updated to 9.0 (mostly) with > freebsd-update. I did this with a source update to RELENG_8_3 and then did the > standard stuff to get to 9.0 > > perl and xdm both gave errors that libutil.so.9 was missing. scanning google and > questions suggested this module was removed. Also in some basic way the ports > make scripts view the system as an 8.X system as make index gives 'Generating > INDEX-8 - please wait.." > > Can this be repaired? Building from source is out of the question for this > system. After a major version update (8.x -> 9.x) you should reinstall _all_ ports. See "man portmaster" (EXAMPLES section) for suggestions on how to do this. If you want to avoid it. you can install the compat8x port on your system. Unaltered (!) installs from 8.x should continue running. But as soon as you're introducing new software, trouble may occur. In that case, a clean install of your applications should be the better way. (Note that you can do this either by source or by packages, just as you prefer.) The described problem with libutil can be avoided when working with the compat8x port. There are more such ports for older versions that allow running binaries compiled for those OS versions ("API/ABI remapping"). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 16:33:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0A9106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:33:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CACB8FC22 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617B527D5A; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:33:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7NGXjh1001899; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:33:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:33:44 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Jamie Paul Griffin Message-Id: <20120823183344.d58ef398.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120823162359.GA1678@kontrol.kode5.net> References: <448vd5pwsd.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20120823134137.GA21352@kontrol.kode5.net> <44obm1of6o.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20120823162359.GA1678@kontrol.kode5.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Issue with kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:33:46 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:23:59 +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > [ Lowell Gilbert wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 10:28:47 -0400 ] > > > Jamie Paul Griffin writes: > > > > > [ Lowell Gilbert wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 9:23:14 -0400 ] > > > > > >> antonin tessier writes: > > >> > > >> > I have a problem when I try to build my own kernel. I had never > > >> > got such a one; here is my kernel configuration file and the > > >> > building errors that it makes. > > > > > >> Or just stay with GENERIC; most consumer PCs have no real reason to need > > >> a customized kernel. > > > > > > I agree. It boots quickly and it isn't really necessary for the majority of users. I can be useful to learn the procedure, etc. but didn't use the correct command anyway: > > > > > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=KERNELCONFIG > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > "make kernel" is equivalent to "make buildkernel installkernel". > > Ah, I didn't know that. I just stick to the Handbook info but it's good > to learn other options. Cheers. Have a look at the comment header of /usr/src/Makefile -- it contaons lots of "compressed information" about how to deal with source installs. Also worth reading: "man make.conf" and "man src.conf". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 16:41:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C621065670 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dacoder@dcoder.net) Received: from ns3.dcoder.net (ns3.dcoder.net [128.177.28.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7ED8FC15 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ns3.dcoder.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BEFD25DAC5; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:41:41 -0400 From: david coder To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120823164141.GF4662@mail3.dcoder.net> Mail-Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823020015.644e38b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120823065406.GA3410@kontrol.kode5.net> <20120823162618.GE4662@mail3.dcoder.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120823162618.GE4662@mail3.dcoder.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Subject: port configuration data [was re: firefox & png] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:41:42 -0000 +++ david coder [23/08/12 12:26 -0400]: > +++ Jamie Paul Griffin [23/08/12 07:54 +0100]: >> [ Polytropon wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 2:00:15 +0200 ] >> >>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:43:55 -0400, david coder wrote: >>> > thx, i hadn't seen the reply to my earlier message. >>> > > unfortunately, though i've got the png port installed w/ > > >>> OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On >>> >>> That should be the default. Anyway, you can always check which >>> options had been in use when building and installing a port: >>> >>> % cat /var/db/ports/png/options >>> # This file is auto-generated by 'make config'. >>> # No user-servicable parts inside! >>> # Options for png-1.4.8 >>> _OPTIONS_READ=png-1.4.8 >>> WITH_APNG=true >>> >>> In this example you can see that it has been properly installed. >>> >>> >>> >>> > the install of freebsd fails w/ the error message given below. >>> >>> Sadly the Firefox build error message is not included. >>> >>> >>> >>> > is there something else required in the png makefile or elsewhere that i'm >>> > missing? >>> >>> I'm sure this entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING applies: >>> >>> 20120531: >>> AFFECTS: users of graphics/png >>> AUTHOR: dinoex@FreeBSD.org >>> >>> The PNG library has been updated to version 1.5.10. Please rebuild all >>> ports that depend on it. >> >> I built Firefox 14 a couple of days ago and png installed is now version 1.5.12. So an updated ports tree should incorporate that change now shouldn't it. > > true, but from what i have been able to sniff out on my own, ports > configuration data are stored in /usr/local/include, not anywhere in the ports > tree, so that if png has been installed already & you do a "make showconfig" > in /usr/ports/graphics/png, the data are read from files in /usr/local/include, > & if you run "make config" in /usr/ports/graphics/png, the files affected by > any change are in /usr/local/include, not anywhere in the ports tree. > > this has been a learning experience for me & prolly will continue to be as > others here correct me. > > david coder > _______________________________________________ it's happened already: in another post here, polytropon gives a more central role to /var/db/ports/png/options. if i understand him correctly, "make showconfig" executed in /usr/ports/graphics/png reads from that file. changes made through "make config" change both that file & files in /usr/local/include & subdirectories thereof. please correct me if i'm wrong. david coder From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 16:50:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D9B1065673 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7648FC1F for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:50:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A10327E4C; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7NGojJV001951; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:50:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:50:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: david coder Message-Id: <20120823185045.d2e8311f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120823162618.GE4662@mail3.dcoder.net> References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823020015.644e38b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120823065406.GA3410@kontrol.kode5.net> <20120823162618.GE4662@mail3.dcoder.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jamie Paul Griffin , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: firefox & png X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 16:50:48 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:26:18 -0400, david coder wrote: > +++ Jamie Paul Griffin [23/08/12 07:54 +0100]: > >[ Polytropon wrote on Thu 23.Aug'12 at 2:00:15 +0200 ] > > > >> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:43:55 -0400, david coder wrote: > >> > thx, i hadn't seen the reply to my earlier message. > >> > > >> > unfortunately, though i've got the png port installed w/ > >> > > >> > OPTIONS= APNG "Animated PNG support" On > >> > >> That should be the default. Anyway, you can always check which > >> options had been in use when building and installing a port: > >> > >> % cat /var/db/ports/png/options > >> # This file is auto-generated by 'make config'. > >> # No user-servicable parts inside! > >> # Options for png-1.4.8 > >> _OPTIONS_READ=png-1.4.8 > >> WITH_APNG=true > >> > >> In this example you can see that it has been properly installed. > >> > >> > >> > >> > the install of freebsd fails w/ the error message given below. > >> > >> Sadly the Firefox build error message is not included. > >> > >> > >> > >> > is there something else required in the png makefile or elsewhere that i'm > >> > missing? > >> > >> I'm sure this entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING applies: > >> > >> 20120531: > >> AFFECTS: users of graphics/png > >> AUTHOR: dinoex@FreeBSD.org > >> > >> The PNG library has been updated to version 1.5.10. Please rebuild all > >> ports that depend on it. > > > >I built Firefox 14 a couple of days ago and png installed is now version 1.5.12. So an updated ports tree should incorporate that change now shouldn't it. > > true, but from what i have been able to sniff out on my own, ports > configuration data are stored in /usr/local/include, not anywhere in the ports > tree, so that if png has been installed already & you do a "make showconfig" > in /usr/ports/graphics/png, the data are read from files in /usr/local/include, > & if you run "make config" in /usr/ports/graphics/png, the files affected by > any change are in /usr/local/include, not anywhere in the ports tree. That's not fully correct. Ports _configuration_ (what you select with "make configure") is not stored inside the ports tree -- so far correct. It's _not_ stored in /usr/local/include. Anything that will go to those directory subtree will be installed there only by a "make install" step, not by "make configure". The options set for a port by "make configure" (even if no "make" or "make install" follows) is /var/db/ports//options, where is the name of the port in question. This data will be queried by "make showconfig". See the example shown above. make configure -> data into /var/db/ports//options make -> data into /usr/ports///work/... make install -> data into /usr/local and its subtrees The directory /usr/local/include is intended to hold header files for interfacing with various libraries. It doesn't have anything to do with ports _configuration_; it's designated content _may_ be affected by how a port is configured (by its own options or by implicit dependencies and _their_ content). > this has been a learning experience for me & prolly will continue to be as > others here correct me. See "man 7 ports" for an overview of how ports are utilized on FreeBSD. There's also a chapter in The FreeBSD Handbook dealing with ports. As soon as you have understood the simple mechanisms that build the basic parts the ports infrastructure works on, you will be quickly able to resolve all issues easily. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 17:14:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADECC1065672 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6548F8FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7NHEDqT027984; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <503664E3.8060808@dreamchaser.org> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:14:11 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> <20120823163839.e2cf7432.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120823163839.e2cf7432.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , bah@bananmonarki.se Subject: Re: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:14:24 -0000 several responses combined to save bandwidth... On 08/23/12 08:38, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:08 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >> For the photo folks -- >> >> What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? >> I've tried >> exif >> exiftags >> exifprobe >> and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly pen-ep3. >> In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, >> and they seem to display different parts of things, but not everything. > > I've been using exiv2 (port graphics/exiv2) which fits my needs. > Here's an example of its output: > > % exiv2 cam/img_6842.jpg > File name : cam/img_6842.jpg > File size : 2887326 Bytes > MIME type : image/jpeg > Image size : 2816 x 2112 > Camera make : Canon > Camera model : Canon PowerShot S3 IS > Image timestamp : 2011:08:19 09:14:42 > Image number : 120-6842 > Exposure time : 1/50 s > Aperture : F2.7 > Exposure bias : 0 EV > Flash : No, red-eye reduction > Flash bias : 0 EV > Focal length : 6.0 mm > Subject distance: 68 > ISO speed : 100 > Exposure mode : Easy shooting (Auto) > Metering mode : Multi-segment > Macro mode : Off > Image quality : Fine > Exif Resolution : 2816 x 2112 > White balance : Auto > Thumbnail : image/jpeg, 5981 Bytes > Copyright : > Exif comment : > > See "man exiv2" for details. It's a really versatile program > which can be excellently integrated into scripts. > > In case you need more info from a photo file, use the "strings" > utility provided by the system and parse its output. Thanks This is rather weird. I had tried exiv2 and concluded it did not report everything because on a windows system I had previously used PhotoME to ascertain that the image stabilization parameter for my camera was in a field whose tag name was "ImageQuality3", and exiv2 does not report anything with "uality" in it. However, I now see that it does report a string called "Exif.OlympusCs.ImageStabilization" of the same type with the corresponding value. Strings reports neither tag. That makes sense, since exif tags are numerically encoded and not text, so I don't think strings is particularly useful. Upon further investigation, it appears that the choice of string to print for a tag is probably a translation provided by the program, not the image file. A strings on /usr/local/lib/libexiv2.so.10 shows: Image stabilization ImageStabilization Image Stabilization for the Sony DSLR-A100 Image stabilization data Image Stabilization Data ImageStabilizationData Image Stabilization A100 ImageStabilizationA100 Digital Image Stabilization and also specific tags for different camera manufacturers, e.g. Exif.OlympusCs. etc. bah -- exif doesn't report all the tags warren -- thanks, I thought I tried p5-Image-ExifTool but in looking back at my notes I have a thing that says "install ExifTool" and its not there so obviously I didn't to that. Will check it if exiv2 doesn't work out. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 17:17:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0E4106566C for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD91F8FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE433CEC7; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:17:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7NHHoKN002052; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:17:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:17:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: david coder Message-Id: <20120823191750.65ad7e61.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120823164141.GF4662@mail3.dcoder.net> References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823020015.644e38b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120823065406.GA3410@kontrol.kode5.net> <20120823162618.GE4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823164141.GF4662@mail3.dcoder.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port configuration data [was re: firefox & png] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:17:59 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:41:41 -0400, david coder wrote: > it's happened already: in another post here, polytropon gives a more central > role to /var/db/ports/png/options. if i understand him correctly, "make > showconfig" executed in /usr/ports/graphics/png reads from that file. > changes made through "make config" change both that file & files in > /usr/local/include & subdirectories thereof. Nothing in /usr/local is going to be changed until "make install" (or "make deinstall" respectively) is executed. In /usr/local/include header files are _installed_ for accessing library functions, mostly a means for programmers to interface with software. But it's correct that you mention /usr/local/include/libpng/pngconf.h here. It's not to be changed by "make configure", but it will be created by "make install", reflecting the properties libpng has been installed with; it's a "machine configurable file for libpng" by its own declaration. It belongs to the png port, _not_ to the port configuration subsystem (which is _independent_ from the ports theirselves. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 17:46:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A15106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:46:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dacoder@dcoder.net) Received: from ns3.dcoder.net (ns3.dcoder.net [128.177.28.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2E58FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ns3.dcoder.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 055255DAC5; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:46:23 -0400 From: david coder To: Polytropon Message-ID: <20120823174623.GA17222@mail3.dcoder.net> Mail-Followup-To: Polytropon , questions@freebsd.org References: <20120822230150.GB4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823011751.69a5849f.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120822234355.GC4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823020015.644e38b0.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120823065406.GA3410@kontrol.kode5.net> <20120823162618.GE4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823164141.GF4662@mail3.dcoder.net> <20120823191750.65ad7e61.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120823191750.65ad7e61.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: port configuration data [was re: firefox & png] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:46:36 -0000 +++ Polytropon [23/08/12 19:17 +0200]: >On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:41:41 -0400, david coder wrote: >> it's happened already: in another post here, polytropon gives a more central >> role to /var/db/ports/png/options. if i understand him correctly, "make >> showconfig" executed in /usr/ports/graphics/png reads from that file. >> changes made through "make config" change both that file & files in >> /usr/local/include & subdirectories thereof. > >Nothing in /usr/local is going to be changed until "make install" >(or "make deinstall" respectively) is executed. In /usr/local/include >header files are _installed_ for accessing library functions, mostly >a means for programmers to interface with software. > >But it's correct that you mention /usr/local/include/libpng/pngconf.h >here. It's not to be changed by "make configure", but it will be >created by "make install", reflecting the properties libpng has >been installed with; it's a "machine configurable file for libpng" >by its own declaration. It belongs to the png port, _not_ to the >port configuration subsystem (which is _independent_ from the >ports theirselves. > > > > >-- >Polytropon >Magdeburg, Germany >Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 >Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... thx for the correction & further education, polytropon. much obliged. david coder From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 17:49:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91A21065670 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:49:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C93C8FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7NHnIKd073932; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:49:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7NHnIDg073929; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:49:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:49:18 -0400 (EDT) From: doug@safeport.com X-X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20120823183236.7bda3401.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20120823183236.7bda3401.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update question. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@fledge.watson.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:49:27 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:36:51 -0400 (EDT), doug@safeport.com wrote: >> I wanted to see if I could get an 8.1 system updated to 9.0 (mostly) with >> freebsd-update. I did this with a source update to RELENG_8_3 and then did the >> standard stuff to get to 9.0 >> >> perl and xdm both gave errors that libutil.so.9 was missing. scanning google and >> questions suggested this module was removed. Also in some basic way the ports >> make scripts view the system as an 8.X system as make index gives 'Generating >> INDEX-8 - please wait.." >> >> Can this be repaired? Building from source is out of the question for this >> system. > > After a major version update (8.x -> 9.x) you should reinstall > _all_ ports. See "man portmaster" (EXAMPLES section) for suggestions > on how to do this. > > If you want to avoid it. you can install the compat8x port on > your system. Unaltered (!) installs from 8.x should continue > running. But as soon as you're introducing new software, trouble > may occur. In that case, a clean install of your applications > should be the better way. (Note that you can do this either by > source or by packages, just as you prefer.) > > The described problem with libutil can be avoided when working > with the compat8x port. There are more such ports for older > versions that allow running binaries compiled for those OS > versions ("API/ABI remapping"). After seeing if xorg and twm would just work, I did remove all packages with pkg_delete. That did not clear out all of /usr/local. When pkg_add of perl failed, I just built that. pkg_add of xorg worked. pkg_add of xdm got an error something along the line of unliking lib/X11/auth... so I deleted that dir and did pkg_add again. This installed but xdm fails on execution with libutil.so.9 missing. monhegan:~> uname -a FreeBSD monhegan.boltsys.com 9.0-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE-p3 #0: Tue Jun 12 01:47:53 UTC 2012 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 But make index thinks (I think) this is an 8.x system. pkg_add did add from ...lastest..9.0 for xorg and xdm. AFAIK there are no 8.x components. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 17:55:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472B7106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lokadamus@gmx.de) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 90BF38FC08 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Aug 2012 17:55:44 -0000 Received: from c136154.adsl.hansenet.de (EHLO FBSD.lokilan) [213.39.136.154] by mail.gmx.net (mp030) with SMTP; 23 Aug 2012 19:55:44 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3333826 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/d7idK/97dWlSOmfeuIU3dSIs14DCBExrpfMcfpK e9llWgMSUt497Q Message-ID: <50366E9F.10700@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:55:43 +0200 From: "lokadamus@gmx.de" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120505 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120717145613.20783z1jrv0xapyc@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> <20120821234856.45844cc8ph3r708w@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> In-Reply-To: <20120821234856.45844cc8ph3r708w@webmail.raad.tartu.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: "Twitter.com is loading slowly" after updating to Firefox 13.0.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:55:46 -0000 On 08/21/12 22:48, Toomas Aas wrote: > Tue, 17 Jul 2012 kirjutas Lars Eighner : > >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012, Toomas Aas wrote: >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> I'm having this problem on two different computers, one running >>> 8.3-STABLE and the other running 9.0-STABLE. After updating Firefox >>> from 12.0 to 13.0.1, whenever I access twitter.com, I can log in but >>> after that a message appears saying that "Twitter.com is loading >>> slowly", and the site is practically unusable - clicking on any of >>> the links has no effect. >> >> If you do not know that there is something in firefox (now 13ish) >> which you >> must have, deinstall it and install firefox-esr (now 10ish). > > I was away from my computer for the past month, but now that I > returned and replaced Firefox 13.0.1 with 10.0.6 ESR, twitter.com is > again behaving normally for me. I'd like to thank everyone who > recommended ESR in this thread > I have the same problem. My system is an old P4-3GHz with Hypterthreading (Northwood) and with ULE Scheduler isnt funny. I must wait until a site is loaded. Bevor i can't make another tab or open bookmarks. I make a kernel with SCHED_4BSD and it work better. Now i can open another tab or bookmark while a site is loading (but fast isnt it ;( ). I will build a new kernel, look and hope it will be better. System is FreeBSD 9.0 with custom kernel. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 18:51:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05BE106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2858FC16 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19323CDFC; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7NIpA2D002447; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:51:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:51:10 +0200 From: Polytropon To: doug@fledge.watson.org Message-Id: <20120823205110.536ae385.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120823183236.7bda3401.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doug@safeport.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update question. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 18:51:12 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:49:18 -0400 (EDT), doug@safeport.com wrote: > After seeing if xorg and twm would just work, I did remove all packages with > pkg_delete. That did not clear out all of /usr/local. You can do a manual cleanup of /usr/local, entirely removing it and then reconstructing its structure from the /etc/mtree file. # cd /usr/local # rm -rf * # mtree -f /etc/mtree/BSD.local.dist # mtree -f /etc/mtree/BSD.x11.dist (Not tested, see the manpage for reference.) That should give you a clean environment for a full re-installation. Also note that /var/db/pkg could be manually deleted in this case. > When pkg_add of perl > failed, I just built that. pkg_add of xorg worked. pkg_add of xdm got an error > something along the line of unliking lib/X11/auth... so I deleted that dir and > did pkg_add again. This installed but xdm fails on execution with libutil.so.9 > missing. Seems that there are complications with leftover stuff in /usr/local. > monhegan:~> uname -a > FreeBSD monhegan.boltsys.com 9.0-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE-p3 #0: > Tue Jun 12 01:47:53 UTC 2012 > root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > > But make index thinks (I think) this is an 8.x system. pkg_add did add from > ...lastest..9.0 for xorg and xdm. AFAIK there are no 8.x components. You could install the ports tree from a 9.0 installation media or simply use CVS to obtain (or at least update) it. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 21:05:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D3E106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DC58FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id EFEB0472BE3 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:05:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7EF3865B4 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:05:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:05:38 +0200 Message-Id: <201208232305.AA88736394@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Len Conrad " X-Sender: To: X-Mailer: Subject: py-sqlalchemy install fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:05:50 -0000 fbsd 9.0 py 2.7.3 cd /usr/ports/databases/py-sqlalchemy make ends with: creating build/bdist.freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-i386/egg/EGG-INFO copying lib/SQLAlchemy.egg-info/PKG-INFO -> build/bdist.freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-i386/egg/EGG-INFO copying lib/SQLAlchemy.egg-info/SOURCES.txt -> build/bdist.freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-i386/egg/EGG-INFO copying lib/SQLAlchemy.egg-info/dependency_links.txt -> build/bdist.freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-i386/egg/EGG-INFO copying lib/SQLAlchemy.egg-info/not-zip-safe -> build/bdist.freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-i386/egg/EGG-INFO copying lib/SQLAlchemy.egg-info/top_level.txt -> build/bdist.freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-i386/egg/EGG-INFO creating dist creating 'dist/SQLAlchemy-0.7.8-py2.7.egg' and adding 'build/bdist.freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-i386/egg' to it removing 'build/bdist.freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-i386/egg' (and everything under it) *************************************************************************** WARNING: The C extension could not be compiled, speedups are not enabled. Plain-Python build succeeded. *************************************************************************** make install ... building '_mysql' extension cc -DNDEBUG -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fPIC -Dversion_info=(1,2,3,'final',0) -D__version__=1.2.3 -I/usr/local/include/mysql -I/usr/local/include/python2.7 -c _mysql.c -o temp.freebsd-9.0-RELEASE-i386-2.7/_mysql.o -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -g -DMY_PTHREAD_FASTMUTEX=1 In file included from pymemcompat.h:10, from _mysql.c:29: /usr/local/include/python2.7/Python.h:166:17: error: pth.h: No such file or directory In file included from _mysql.c:36: /usr/local/include/mysql/my_config.h:422:1: warning: "HAVE_WCSCOLL" redefined In file included from /usr/local/include/python2.7/Python.h:8, from pymemcompat.h:10, from _mysql.c:29: /usr/local/include/python2.7/pyconfig.h:890:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition error: command 'cc' failed with exit status 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/databases/py-MySQLdb. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/databases/py-MySQLdb. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/databases/py-sqlalchemy. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/databases/py-sqlalchemy. thanks Len From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 21:07:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5112B1065673 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:07:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD24B8FC17 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so840130wgb.31 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:07:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=5/qduYQHRK6anm27MrU5GB9K0cnK9ghGv/jOZK3yebw=; b=BRT7kk+9gIw69B+5YPyB52YreGcBz0U4LmgkXll1Uyih8mPJB+bgCNvTX8XkZNWhCs mgYnPwBd+kvzaSMIBIELAoDFRzte97KpP2/2BGr7vqETWQjiH2s1hwxxAz7Xnx8xyx28 PvYO2I49Tzb5IVXH+4zQ6ay41C6ys4h2ngmzgGgLCUD/JenkgyiShZ66xyadKorl7KEv RXVRPQMTDeLT1YspjUKHLbl1poWaSiw8Izr2FdjrYtP1eS644Lu/QGITaW9j6XSnbVxO zDv+SFwkEu15Yex6cZiKlyFbKB4mK4hMM260EpRvmxAr3eX4iphAc2Z5FmF5C0zMvzZY 3h3w== Received: by 10.216.85.130 with SMTP id u2mr1431308wee.202.1345756028543; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (did75-17-88-165-130-96.fbx.proxad.net. [88.165.130.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cl8sm594608wib.10.2012.08.23.14.07.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:07:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <20120823162621.ae92b733.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20120823162621.ae92b733.steve@sohara.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:07:04 +0200 To: Steve O'Hara-Smith X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlOC52MfTTPOmiBoc8EU1omV1A83Y3h30cQGhJw7vJEhwfyKeqZzvB1zr7KperPe6Dk8atw Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: implications of adding root to a group X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:07:15 -0000 On 23 Aug 2012, at 17:26, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:51:10 -0700 > Krims G wrote: > >> Hello, I've been looking at the /etc/group and have noticed that some >> groups have root included in them, for example "operator". Is it not >> implied that root has access to all things and groups? What is the purpose >> of adding root to a group? If I add root to some new arbitrary group, what >> does it result in differently than if I do not add root to that group? > > The root user has the ability to ignore file permissions, but not > the ability to subvert group membership tests in scripts or programs. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith | While I can compute what you wrote, I fail to see the implications. Would you kindly explain in layman's terms ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 21:21:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C17106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A8C8FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-49-179.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.49.179]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA603CDFC; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:21:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7NLKxjg002896; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:20:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:20:59 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Damien Fleuriot Message-Id: <20120823232059.d3a87786.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120823162621.ae92b733.steve@sohara.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Steve O'Hara-Smith , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: implications of adding root to a group X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:21:02 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:07:04 +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 23 Aug 2012, at 17:26, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:51:10 -0700 > > Krims G wrote: > > > >> Hello, I've been looking at the /etc/group and have noticed that some > >> groups have root included in them, for example "operator". Is it not > >> implied that root has access to all things and groups? What is the purpose > >> of adding root to a group? If I add root to some new arbitrary group, what > >> does it result in differently than if I do not add root to that group? > > > > The root user has the ability to ignore file permissions, but not > > the ability to subvert group membership tests in scripts or programs. > > > > -- > > Steve O'Hara-Smith | > > > While I can compute what you wrote, I fail to see the implications. > > Would you kindly explain in layman's terms ? Let's say a script tests (upon execution) if the caller does belong to a specific group. While root may execute all scripts and "remove" all barriers, root:wheel will still have "wheel" as the group. While "root is superior to non-root" is true, "wheel is superior to non-wheel" does not apply. In this fictional example, let's assume the script is executable for a specific non-root user. Obviously, root can override this and execute it anyway, even if the script is rwx/---/--- for bob:foo. The script initially tests if the caller is member of the group "foo" to continue. As root is member of "wheel", and _not_ of "foo", the test will fail. The script doesn't continue. Adding root to specific groups allows programs testing for group membership to recognize the required group. It's comparable to adding non-root users to "operation groups" like "dialer" or "operator" to allow them execute scripts and programs that are executable for the respective group, even though they are owned by root, like rwx/r-x/---. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 22:57:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B19C1065670 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7793D8FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.67] (99-111-143-21.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.21]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7NMv1YR064038 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:57:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-21.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.21] claimed to be [192.168.1.67] Message-ID: <5036B542.1040509@sage-american.com> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:57:06 -0500 From: Jack Stone User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 17:57:02 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Subject: small script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:57:08 -0000 Running freebsd-7.0 I use a small script in a jail to check if Apache is running and if not, restart it. #!/bin/sh #if ps -ax | grep -v grep | grep -i httpd #then # echo "Apache is alive......" #else # echo "Apache is dead, but will be launched." #/usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache22 start However, if I want to check the host's Apache, ps -ax sees all of the "httpd" lines including the jail and the host: (Jail) 83787 ?? SsJ 0:07.71 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DSSL -DNOHTTPACCEPT (host) 98089 ?? Ss 32:49.44 /usr/local/sbin/httpd -DNOHTTPACCEPT How can I modify my script to see only the host based on the bottom line above? Help appreciated! Jack From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 23:16:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D395106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@undermydesk.org) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [213.211.198.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512408FC0A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9421286E53; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:11:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at undermydesk.org Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org ([213.211.198.100]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FDvyT-Yn-H-U; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:11:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.74] (p57AE7096.dip.t-dialin.net [87.174.112.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 70E02286E51; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:11:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5036B897.1050101@undermydesk.org> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:11:19 +0200 From: Frank Reppin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jack Stone References: <5036B542.1040509@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <5036B542.1040509@sage-american.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: small script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:16:35 -0000 On 24.08.2012 00:57, Jack Stone wrote: [...] > How can I modify my script to see only the host based on the bottom line > above? pgrep(1) has an option (-j jid) to either include jails by given id or to exclude them (-j none). HTH, Frank Reppin -- 43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr fortune: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 00:51:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DB1106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:51:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@undermydesk.org) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [213.211.198.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7BB8FC19 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BB5286E6C; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:51:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at undermydesk.org Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org ([213.211.198.100]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X4_2t1UMVipj; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:50:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.74] (p57AE7096.dip.t-dialin.net [87.174.112.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 51CFD286E5B; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:50:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5036CFE9.1010602@undermydesk.org> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:50:49 +0200 From: Frank Reppin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jack Stone References: <5036B542.1040509@sage-american.com> <5036B897.1050101@undermydesk.org> <5036C751.20704@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <5036C751.20704@sage-american.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: small script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:51:02 -0000 On 24.08.2012 02:14, Jack Stone wrote: > Thanks, I tried that but pgrep only displayed the PIDs. I guess I wasn't > using proper switches. Yes - and this should be enough. If pgrep returns PIDs - then this is the same as 'true' in your 'if' condition - if it returns nothing, the 'else' part is executed: #!/bin/sh # * example for Jack with amavisd instead of apache # * the ^ means 'match from the beginning' # * so your content for PROCESS_PATTERN would be # PROCESS_PATTERN="^/usr/local/sbin/httpd" # because ps -ax would show you this in the # COMMAND row PROCESS_PATTERN="^/usr/local/sbin/amavisd" PGREP="/bin/pgrep" if ${PGREP} -q -j none -f ^${PROCESS_PATTERN}; then echo -e "OK" else echo -e "FAIL" fi hth, Frank Reppin -- 43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr fortune: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 00:59:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D83D106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:59:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@undermydesk.org) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [213.211.198.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E098FC18 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09543286E6F; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:59:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at undermydesk.org Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org ([213.211.198.100]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H-zjRuFq0QqK; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:59:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.74] (p57AE7096.dip.t-dialin.net [87.174.112.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB042286E5B; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:59:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5036D1EB.8000904@undermydesk.org> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:59:23 +0200 From: Frank Reppin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jack Stone References: <5036B542.1040509@sage-american.com> <5036B897.1050101@undermydesk.org> <5036C751.20704@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <5036C751.20704@sage-american.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: small script help X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:59:30 -0000 There's an errorneous extra ^ in line 6 - please remove this character. Fixed version should look like: #!/bin/sh PROCESS_PATTERN="^/usr/local/sbin/saslauthd" PGREP="/bin/pgrep" if ${PGREP} -q -j none -f ${PROCESS_PATTERN}; then echo -e "OK" else echo -e "FAIL" fi frank\ -- 43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr fortune: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 02:30:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719F3106566C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B108FC17 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q7O2TqD2006138 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:29:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 21:29:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201208240229.q7O2TqD2006138@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: harware compatibility queustion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:30:07 -0000 I need to add "more than two' internal SATA _ports_ to a box that will be running FreeBSD 9. When I look at inexpensive SATA controllers, they all seem to be using chipsets thar are _not_ explicitly mentioned in the 'supported hardware' list. Can anyone say, authoritatively, that, say, a 'SiL3114'-based cnntroller card will work in FreeBSD, as far as 'bare drive' functionality goes? Alternatively, can anybody recommend an inexpensive 4-port (or more) SATA controller card that is known to work with FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 03:01:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84314106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:01:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@undermydesk.org) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [213.211.198.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EE58FC08 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E3D286ED0 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:01:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at undermydesk.org Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org ([213.211.198.100]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ENO7EUhmZzK for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.74] (p57AE7096.dip.t-dialin.net [87.174.112.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C14B286EC6 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:01:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5036EE8E.3000101@undermydesk.org> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:01:34 +0200 From: Frank Reppin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: sending fax from commandline/or via appliance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:01:44 -0000 Hi all, is someone aware of a solution which can do the following: 1) given a freebsd host which hosts an application xxABxx 2) this application xxABxx sends an ordinary email with a .ps attachment to another host by mailing it to 3) this attachment is then fax'ed to the recipient phone number 4) HylaFAX is not the solution 5) better some cli solution which could feed this .ps via a CLI directly and non-interactive into a multifunction printer (which can do fax ofcourse) thanks! frank\ -- 43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr fortune: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 03:13:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9A1106568B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1D48FC18 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [172.17.17.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7O3DniN074284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:13:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7O3DnMT031505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:13:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7O3DnDZ031504; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:13:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:13:49 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Robert Bonomi Message-ID: <20120824031349.GD50918@dan.emsphone.com> References: <201208240229.q7O2TqD2006138@mail.r-bonomi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201208240229.q7O2TqD2006138@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (email2.allantgroup.com [172.17.19.78]); Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:13:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on email2.allantgroup.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 172.17.19.78 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: harware compatibility queustion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:58 -0000 In the last episode (Aug 23), Robert Bonomi said: > I need to add "more than two' internal SATA _ports_ to a box that will be > running FreeBSD 9. > > When I look at inexpensive SATA controllers, they all seem to be using > chipsets thar are _not_ explicitly mentioned in the 'supported hardware' > list. > > Can anyone say, authoritatively, that, say, a 'SiL3114'-based cnntroller > card will work in FreeBSD, as far as 'bare drive' functionality goes? The ata manpage says it supports the "SiI3114" card (even the siliconimage.com webpage uses both "SiI" and "Sil" spellings all over), so you should be safe. > Alternatively, can anybody recommend an inexpensive 4-port (or more) SATA > controller card that is known to work with FreeBSD? -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 05:54:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D562A106564A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:54:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBE28FC12 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4mlx-0007wh-5g for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:49:33 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4mqk-0000Em-Is for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:54:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:53:59 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120824065359.82c1dc4b.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20120823162621.ae92b733.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: Re: implications of adding root to a group X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:54:03 -0000 On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:07:04 +0200 Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 23 Aug 2012, at 17:26, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:51:10 -0700 > > Krims G wrote: > > > >> Hello, I've been looking at the /etc/group and have noticed that some > >> groups have root included in them, for example "operator". Is it not > >> implied that root has access to all things and groups? What is the > >> purpose of adding root to a group? If I add root to some new arbitrary > >> group, what does it result in differently than if I do not add root to > >> that group? > > > > The root user has the ability to ignore file permissions, but not > > the ability to subvert group membership tests in scripts or programs. > > > > -- > > Steve O'Hara-Smith | > > > While I can compute what you wrote, I fail to see the implications. > > Would you kindly explain in layman's terms ? Any script or program that checks group membership before proceeding will execute for root regardless of permissions but won't do anything (except emit a message) unless root is also a member of the required group. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 06:07:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A356A1065670 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:07:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBF48FC1A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.130.96] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T4n3T-0000St-2l; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:07:39 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7O67aNR001211; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:07:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id q7O67ZKD001210; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:07:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:07:35 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Frank Reppin Message-ID: <20120824060734.GA1119@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <5036EE8E.3000101@undermydesk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5036EE8E.3000101@undermydesk.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.130.96 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: sending fax from commandline/or via appliance X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:07:47 -0000 El día Friday, August 24, 2012 a las 05:01:34AM +0200, Frank Reppin escribió: > Hi all, > > is someone aware of a solution which can do > the following: > > 1) given a freebsd host which hosts an application xxABxx > 2) this application xxABxx sends an ordinary email with a .ps > attachment to another host by mailing it to > > 3) this attachment is then fax'ed to the recipient phone number > 4) HylaFAX is not the solution > 5) better some cli solution which could feed this .ps via a CLI > directly and non-interactive into a multifunction printer > (which can do fax ofcourse) Hi, Just curious: We did 1) ... 3) for many years in a production environment with HylaFAX; why this is not a solution for you? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 06:26:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B919106564A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:26:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@noos.larseighner.com) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F253A8FC08 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7731 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2012 06:19:52 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 7720, pid: 7730, t: 0.2851s scanners:none Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 23:19:52 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.larseighner.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:26:36 -0000 Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). I cannot figure out how to enter ^[ in rc.conf using keychange or kbdcontrol -f, but after some experimentation it appears keychange does not alter the function keys at a low enough level. (Besides the fact that altering some 50-odd keys with keychange seems like it cannot be the right answer.) Termcap seems to be in order. cons25l1 tc's cons25w, and cons25w seems to have the correct ANSI values for the function keys. So howcome if TERM=cons25l1 is set, the keyboard produces weird xterm-like strings? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 07:05:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AAB1065673 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:05:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7802C8FC1D for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4ntO-0004aP-3j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:01:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4nyB-0000JN-Ny for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:06:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:05:44 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:05:47 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner wrote: > > Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? > > It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile > (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, > it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like > strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the terminal not control it. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 07:21:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EE7106566C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615CD8FC0A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qadc11 with SMTP id c11so356902qad.13 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:21:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3fhhOFvhHNmpxWk4JRbbKJzvl5gSe6htjjtqPJGEBww=; b=0a/hmJ0mPHbSaALW4iopF6DHdvfAe2wGFp7s+oUivqpAP3loBj+i+66rF7vv5v6a2D foiN48vhekTnKPL0KROz3dzDGIYAqshMyX1vkTOOk0o5yfSthHAcnAtrf5iCrGqGfsA1 fWZAEJKBHb7xko1/GjSdEWiextO384TcHbHVjl+xL1pMAHso2RH9iMMjdRTzZDjo1BaS cMjQk3p66/+yCc0g7dzJyTepB1cm5MjbF/awGuXr4FdIGgdkt6p1e6p8hopAofFfuZyV qqfZGMs4r5pTfVOl2wJSHgUD1HscLEf3IEnVXQI8plGLQzUPXc5AaorZVMZUhwoxHQNw VB5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.100 with SMTP id s36mr2025656qco.88.1345792877646; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.164.206 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 00:21:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120823165013.f131bcf0.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201208221934.q7MJYfwM063804@mail.r-bonomi.com> <1345664911.2501.8.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <20120822232112.07ac3517@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120822232907.34fc82fc@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120823031754.0b52bed6@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120823135408.GA76656@neutralgood.org> <20120823165013.f131bcf0.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:21:17 +0200 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 07:21:18 -0000 Hi everybody! Thanks for answering my questions and helping me out with this problem. It's been fixed now and I managed to locate the problem with the find / -type d | awk 'length > 900' command. What caused it was something that looked like a directory loop or at least a very deep list of sub directories from two old backups of src + kernel compilations that recently got moved to this server from another one (accidentally and in a hurry due to disk failure on the other server). I think I counted 12 full lines in my terminal window for the directory bash path... I deleted them and now it works great again. Thanks again for great help! Best regards, Andy From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 08:14:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A504A106564A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@noos.larseighner.com) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 660208FC08 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28034 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2012 08:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:14:38 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.larseighner.com To: Steve O'Hara-Smith In-Reply-To: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:14:40 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) > Lars Eighner wrote: > >> >> Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? >> >> It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile >> (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, >> it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like >> strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). > > The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the terminal > not control it. Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead of the standard E[S? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 08:55:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4601065673 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:55:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B5E8FC18 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4pbe-0005Lf-HS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:51:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4pgS-0000Mk-JS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:56:04 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:55:33 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 08:55:35 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:09 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) > > Lars Eighner wrote: > > > >> > >> Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? > >> > >> It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile > >> (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, > >> it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like > >> strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). > > > > The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the > > terminal not control it. > > > Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead > of the standard E[S? In the kernel config there's an option TEKEN_CONS25 which will build the console terminal emulator in CONS25 mode. You'll need a custom kernel of course. I'm curious though - why ? As long as TERM is set correctly anything that uses curses will handle the keyboard and screen correctly. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 09:38:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C45D106566C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb.1234abcd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC978FC12 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so4909228obb.13 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:38:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GVQIzopTXFycxWWC2YBZjnRZCXYHjDVVb9d2l+cOW/Q=; b=MuX7r6r8QO8vDrcdRr33r4xjKhB/e/y8bGr50JmQwhnOb2xANyoYdsRlFxXY2Uq591 BbM9ae5vW+FMbK9drZkfB/JjVIXfDjX5vfChCYTnzVcB2NepBADRt/5wB05O/5q8oAaF 7AuDd3x0N/CYkyFkF+TgF240dTaKN5bNRWjFnvVaGRseBGGHL9K3A0IKBQsfMSjKRIIK 8tpMsaA6deCp38IDCIP+4qqzrzsI1J21/nKffIht3y9rpaanSNwiIKmDN8jy4PW3LCHY blpChR3v3ZHx7/3A8YQl99mBc6DAdoBJjrz8kT93wFBQIOq+MjRzz73rX9nYOSQbAFPY sx/A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.11.136 with SMTP id q8mr3368880oeb.132.1345801118294; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.61.104 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:38:38 +0200 Message-ID: From: J B To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:38:39 -0000 > Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead > of the standard E[S? I think you will find a hint here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Home_and_End_keys_not_working Btw, in the vi editor you can type a control key into your text file by first typing '^V' followed by the control character desired, e.g. '^V^H' for '^H'. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 10:12:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCE1106564A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@noos.larseighner.com) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B63358FC0C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13533 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2012 10:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:12:49 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:11:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:11:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.larseighner.com To: Steve O'Hara-Smith In-Reply-To: <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:12:51 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:09 -0500 (CDT) > Lars Eighner wrote: > >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) >>> Lars Eighner wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? >>>> >>>> It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile >>>> (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, >>>> it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like >>>> strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). >>> >>> The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the >>> terminal not control it. >> >> >> Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead >> of the standard E[S? > > In the kernel config there's an option TEKEN_CONS25 which will build > the console terminal emulator in CONS25 mode. You'll need a custom kernel > of course. I find it really interesting that this change which broke just about every critical application I run was not mentioned in the release notes or UPDATING. > > I'm curious though - why ? As long as TERM is set correctly > anything that uses curses will handle the keyboard and screen correctly. If 9.0 had not broken my most important applications, I wouldn't be asking. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 10:21:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CDF106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:21:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@noos.larseighner.com) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65C078FC0A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17962 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2012 10:21:47 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 17953, pid: 17960, t: 0.2652s scanners:none Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:21:47 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner To: Steve O'Hara-Smith In-Reply-To: <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:21:48 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:09 -0500 (CDT) > Lars Eighner wrote: > >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) >>> Lars Eighner wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? >>>> >>>> It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile >>>> (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, >>>> it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like >>>> strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). >>> >>> The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the >>> terminal not control it. >> >> >> Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead >> of the standard E[S? > > In the kernel config there's an option TEKEN_CONS25 which will build > the console terminal emulator in CONS25 mode. You'll need a custom kernel > of course. I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 10:32:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7ADD106566C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:32:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from queueout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (queueout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5E38FC12 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120824092132.NAOU18581.mtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net>; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:21:32 +0100 Received: from [94.168.171.147] (helo=MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1T4q4e-0005dO-BH; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:21:04 +0100 Received: from MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl ([::1]) by MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:21:02 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie To: 'Robert Bonomi' , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: harware compatibility queustion Thread-Index: AQHNgaCQ7uCH6ZTei0Ko8U1H6xOixpdor36Q Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:21:01 +0000 Message-ID: <14980AB869AD6B47A8803DB297CD21920769423C@MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl> References: <201208240229.q7O2TqD2006138@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201208240229.q7O2TqD2006138@mail.r-bonomi.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=GaEGOwq9FwezmTggA+b6yC6zDZF2HYaK6RN/tSqdnVA= c=1 sm=0 a=Y8j7AwuhAEAA:10 a=OMdUhd4NiskA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=l3nl1uWg6UAA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=ivkwRA_Cz-kzx3ROIUUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: Subject: RE: harware compatibility queustion X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:32:17 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Robert Bonomi Sent: 24 August 2012 03:30 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: harware compatibility queustion I need to add "more than two' internal SATA _ports_ to a box that will be r= unning FreeBSD 9. =20 When I look at inexpensive SATA controllers, they all seem to be using chip= sets thar are _not_ explicitly mentioned in the 'supported hardware' list. Can anyone say, authoritatively, that, say, a 'SiL3114'-based cnntroller ca= rd will work in FreeBSD, as far as 'bare drive' functionality goes? Alternatively, can anybody recommend an inexpensive 4-port (or more) SATA c= ontroller card that is known to work with FreeBSD? _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman= /listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " I have used a SIL3112 card on FreeBSD 7 and 8 which is just a 2 port versio= n of the card you are looking at, as far as I recall it worked with no issu= es. If you want me to check it with 9.0, I can stick it on the machine that the= card currently resides in. Regards Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 10:46:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEA7106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DFA8FC14 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4rKt-0007ll-Uk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:41:56 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4rPg-0000Pz-Kx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:46:52 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:46:20 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120824114620.01a829aa.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:46:25 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:09 -0500 (CDT) > > Lars Eighner wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) > >>> Lars Eighner wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? > >>>> > >>>> It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 > >>>> in .profile (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that > >>>> value with SET, it appears to me that the function keys are mapped > >>>> to weird xterm-like strings instead of their ANSI values (example: > >>>> F7 = E[18~ not E[S). > >>> > >>> The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the > >>> terminal not control it. > >> > >> > >> Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ > >> instead of the standard E[S? > > > > In the kernel config there's an option TEKEN_CONS25 which will > > build the console terminal emulator in CONS25 mode. You'll need a > > custom kernel of course. > > I find it really interesting that this change which broke just about every > critical application I run was not mentioned in the release notes or > UPDATING. Bizarre - no well written application should break unless of course you have TERM set to something that doesn't match what the terminal does. The whole TERM termcap/terminfo/curses mechanism is designed to support terminal independent applications. > > I'm curious though - why ? As long as TERM is set correctly > > anything that uses curses will handle the keyboard and screen correctly. > > If 9.0 had not broken my most important applications, I wouldn't be > asking. Which applications - and are they still broken with the right TERM settings (TERM=xterm) ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 10:48:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621A6106567A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165448FC14 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4rMS-0007uu-Fl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:43:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4rRF-0000Q9-KN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:48:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:47:57 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120824114757.e4d37b9b.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:48:01 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:18 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner wrote: > I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no > TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES is where I found it. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 10:49:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329201065686 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dickey@saltmine.radix.net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E202E8FC20 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id q7OAbxnA027431; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dickey@localhost) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id q7OAbxbf027430; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:37:58 -0400 From: Thomas Dickey To: J B Message-ID: <20120824103758.GA26761@saltmine.radix.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:49:24 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:38:38AM +0200, J B wrote: > > Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ inste= ad > > of the standard E[S? >=20 > I think you will find a hint here: > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Home_and_End_keys_not_working it's not much of a hint (it's Linux-specific, and like most of the Arch wiki - not insightful). (other responses in the thread seem to have answered the question) --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQFQN1mDtIqByHxlDocRAttgAJ9IvYxyKqIRbncpm4Gz1zxuQrBOzACfczrS mOfhLy3ETRFdE1ioJy55cNo= =Zq4Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 11:00:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0616E106564A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@noos.larseighner.com) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A30318FC15 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5134 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2012 11:00:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:00:05 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:58:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:58:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.larseighner.com To: Steve O'Hara-Smith In-Reply-To: <20120824114757.e4d37b9b.steve@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> <20120824114757.e4d37b9b.steve@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:00:08 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:18 -0500 (CDT) > Lars Eighner wrote: > >> I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no >> TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? > > /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES is where I found it. Grepped /usr/src/sys/conf/* and did not find it. I see from google that something seems to have been added to HEAD and its UPDATING, but there is nothing of the sort in 9.0 RELEASE - p4. I really should have known better by now than to upgrade to a X.0 - perhaps by X.2 or X.3 they will have fix most of the stuff they broke with X.0. Fortunately, I have learned enough to try upgrades on the mirror and not on the production disc. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 11:07:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53335106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4CC8FC0A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7OB7Uln042043; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:07:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <50375FE5.7000809@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:05:09 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120808 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org References: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> <20120823163839.e2cf7432.freebsd@edvax.de> <503664E3.8060808@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <503664E3.8060808@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:07:40 -0000 2012-08-23 19:14, Gary Aitken skrev: > On 08/23/12 08:38, Polytropon wrote: >> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:08 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >>> For the photo folks -- >>> >>> What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? >>> I've tried >>> exif >>> exiftags >>> exifprobe >>> and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly pen-ep3. >>> In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, >>> and they seem to display different parts of things, but not everything. >> >> I've been using exiv2 (port graphics/exiv2) which fits my needs. >> Here's an example of its output: >> >> % exiv2 cam/img_6842.jpg >> File name : cam/img_6842.jpg >> File size : 2887326 Bytes >> MIME type : image/jpeg >> Image size : 2816 x 2112 >> Camera make : Canon >> Camera model : Canon PowerShot S3 IS >> Image timestamp : 2011:08:19 09:14:42 >> Image number : 120-6842 >> Exposure time : 1/50 s >> Aperture : F2.7 >> Exposure bias : 0 EV >> Flash : No, red-eye reduction >> Flash bias : 0 EV >> Focal length : 6.0 mm >> Subject distance: 68 >> ISO speed : 100 >> Exposure mode : Easy shooting (Auto) >> Metering mode : Multi-segment >> Macro mode : Off >> Image quality : Fine >> Exif Resolution : 2816 x 2112 >> White balance : Auto >> Thumbnail : image/jpeg, 5981 Bytes >> Copyright : >> Exif comment : >> >> See "man exiv2" for details. It's a really versatile program >> which can be excellently integrated into scripts. >> >> In case you need more info from a photo file, use the "strings" >> utility provided by the system and parse its output. > > Thanks > This is rather weird. > > I had tried exiv2 and concluded it did not report everything because on a > windows system I had previously used PhotoME to ascertain that the image > stabilization parameter for my camera was in a field whose tag name was > "ImageQuality3", and exiv2 does not report anything with "uality" in it. > However, I now see that it does report a string called "Exif.OlympusCs.ImageStabilization" of the same type with the corresponding > value. > > Strings reports neither tag. > That makes sense, since exif tags are numerically encoded and not text, > so I don't think strings is particularly useful. > > Upon further investigation, it appears that the choice of string to print > for a tag is probably a translation provided by the program, not the image file. > A strings on /usr/local/lib/libexiv2.so.10 shows: > Image stabilization > ImageStabilization > Image Stabilization for the Sony DSLR-A100 > Image stabilization data > Image Stabilization Data > ImageStabilizationData > Image Stabilization A100 > ImageStabilizationA100 > Digital Image Stabilization > and also specific tags for different camera manufacturers, e.g. > Exif.OlympusCs. > etc. > > bah -- > exif doesn't report all the tags Try exif -l filename and it will show you all exif fields and the fields that's in the picture. From man exif -l, --list-tags List all known EXIF tags and IFDs. A JPEG image must be pro- vided, and those tags which appear in the file are shown with an asterisk in the corresponding position in the list. > warren -- > thanks, I thought I tried p5-Image-ExifTool but in looking back at my notes > I have a thing that says "install ExifTool" and its not there so obviously I > didn't to that. Will check it if exiv2 doesn't work out. > > Gary > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 11:14:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8D21065691 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@noos.larseighner.com) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BDB3D8FC20 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13523 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2012 11:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:14:26 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:12:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:12:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner To: Steve O'Hara-Smith In-Reply-To: <20120824114620.01a829aa.steve@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> <20120824114620.01a829aa.steve@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:14:30 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:11:19 -0500 (CDT) > Lars Eighner wrote: >> If 9.0 had not broken my most important applications, I wouldn't be >> asking. > > Which applications - and are they still broken with the right TERM > settings (TERM=xterm) ? Joe, most, lynx (which is also my file manager) in functions involving function keys. I could, of course, remap all of the macros, but that would be silly since I have about five pages of keymapping in .Xdefaults to make xterm in X emulate cons25. But that does give me an idea for an emergency solution -- perhaps I can run my console applications in an xterm in X since I made it emulate cons25. Of course there is nothing in X that will put 4000 characters (80x25) on the screen at once as legibly as VGA fonts do - which is why I use console applications to begin with - so that is strictly a "get out of a jam" solution, not practical for production. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 11:15:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDF21065688 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CFF8FC15 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4rn7-0002IO-4A; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:11:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4rru-0000Qt-Vu; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:16:03 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:15:31 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Lars Eighner Message-Id: <20120824121531.50f62e9a.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> <20120824114757.e4d37b9b.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:15:34 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:58:36 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:18 -0500 (CDT) > > Lars Eighner wrote: > > > >> I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no > >> TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? > > > > /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES is where I found it. > > Grepped /usr/src/sys/conf/* and did not find it. > > I see from google that something seems to have been added to HEAD and its > UPDATING, but there is nothing of the sort in 9.0 RELEASE - p4. It's there on my 9.0-RELEASE-p4 boxes. In /etc/freebsd-update.conf do you have src among the components to update ? > I really should have known better by now than to upgrade to a X.0 - > perhaps by X.2 or X.3 they will have fix most of the stuff they broke > with X.0. I've yet to see any breakage, do your applications really break with TERM=xterm on the console ? > Fortunately, I have learned enough to try upgrades on the mirror and not > on the production disc. Well yes - no untested updates should ever hit a production system, that's what the QA boxes are for. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 11:25:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740F41065670 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:25:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@noos.larseighner.com) Received: from emailserver2.asdf456.com (emailserver2.asdf456.com [72.18.207.139]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 491B38FC0C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19655 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 2012 11:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO noos.larseighner.com) (71.20.75.102) by emailserver2.asdf456.com with SMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:25:40 -0700 Received: by noos.larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@noos.larseighner.com; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:24:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:24:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.larseighner.com To: Steve O'Hara-Smith In-Reply-To: <20120824121531.50f62e9a.steve@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> <20120824114757.e4d37b9b.steve@sohara.org> <20120824121531.50f62e9a.steve@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:25:42 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:58:36 -0500 (CDT) > Lars Eighner wrote: > >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:18 -0500 (CDT) >>> Lars Eighner wrote: >>> >>>> I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no >>>> TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? >>> >>> /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES is where I found it. >> >> Grepped /usr/src/sys/conf/* and did not find it. >> >> I see from google that something seems to have been added to HEAD and its >> UPDATING, but there is nothing of the sort in 9.0 RELEASE - p4. > > It's there on my 9.0-RELEASE-p4 boxes. In /etc/freebsd-update.conf > do you have src among the components to update ? I have never been able to get update to work. I cvsup the source tree (which I suppose is now really serviced by subversion). >> I really should have known better by now than to upgrade to a X.0 - >> perhaps by X.2 or X.3 they will have fix most of the stuff they broke >> with X.0. > > I've yet to see any breakage, do your applications really break > with TERM=xterm on the console ? Only the essential stuff: joe, most, lynx. Of course things which do not use any function keys (including the movement keys) are not affected. >> Fortunately, I have learned enough to try upgrades on the mirror and not >> on the production disc. > > Well yes - no untested updates should ever hit a production system, > that's what the QA boxes are for. also the -V switch doesn't give such good results in mergemaster -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 11:36:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6C1106566C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BE88FC08 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4s7n-0004Mu-1D; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:32:27 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4sCa-0000RU-M1; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:37:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:36:52 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Lars Eighner Message-Id: <20120824123652.2619dddd.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20120824080544.9bca4996.steve@sohara.org> <20120824095533.7ff3bc23.steve@sohara.org> <20120824114620.01a829aa.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:36:56 -0000 On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:12:57 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner wrote: > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:11:19 -0500 (CDT) > > Lars Eighner wrote: > > >> If 9.0 had not broken my most important applications, I wouldn't be > >> asking. > > > > Which applications - and are they still broken with the right > > TERM settings (TERM=xterm) ? > > Joe, most, lynx (which is also my file manager) in functions involving > function keys. I could, of course, remap all of the macros, but that > would be silly since I have about five pages of keymapping in .Xdefaults > to make xterm in X emulate cons25. You have something bizarrely wrong on your machine. Lynx works perfectly in an xterm without any keymapping, it's a curses application so it should do and it does. I suspect you have something forcing TERM=CONS25 into the environment - you'd be well served by finding and removing it. Nothing apart from the curses library should ever need to care what the terminal type is provided TERM matches reality. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 11:47:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9148106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gsriram@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494628FC12 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so584872wib.13 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:47:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MoD3epERd8JIRLvvefyEFWvgXsxw/QNzDdgOr80Z7w8=; b=SX92Ev4szpihHXGpE0hLkXUkzyf0agA07xSVDWFmHOb01+mM9W1eNB5Sp4AR/U9GLu m2UH9STNLyasCLDl7NQOg2o1afvcza6R/de3VNzMAqlXU58E3ly4rRkArYJrW/C9Y3nv iulW8DWu0jzP2iur2UJWUHSokvSeu11llt9soesVZaCqUgaRwnxehYe5C6GlGdAcYV65 CHasjE618gFnYU32Vhqep9AcMubRucVXhCTSrrsvzIdc+gMgEcW4GINDDMKcWaxbaIUQ kS2uLGuVWIvWr8x4KfkIezjRjmPGtyLsoQrTDLU7/MWXY1BwMJU780uLxNeyge+Le1wM 0zeg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.131.205 with SMTP id m55mr2700199wei.49.1345808848038; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.55.229 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:17:27 +0530 Message-ID: From: Sriram Gorti To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Lockups/panics with arbitrary 7.2 boxes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:47:29 -0000 Hello, We have been observing the following on quite a few of our i386 FreeBSD 7.2 systems in the course of the last few months: 1. Boxes locking up - to clarify, manual reboot necessary to bring it back into operation. 2. Boxes panicking somewhere in virtual memory code eg., vdrop, page_fault. In both cases, did not find anything specifically unusual in their usage profile, when compared with other similar machines. For example, SWAPMETA was well within limits, available vm.kmem_map_free was quite normal. One observation was that the re-start of a periodically re-starting memory-intensive process coincided with the lockup/panic. Suspecting that we did not have the fix for some kernel bug that was perhaps fixed later, looked thru the known FreeBSD 7.2 issues that had similar back-traces but did not find any. I know this is somewhat of an old release but any history/pointers for known bugs or any other suggestions would be most helpful. Unfortunately, it is not quite an option to debug these boxes when they hit the issue. Data for config, selected sysctls and sample backtraces follow. [1] Key-portions of config machine i386 cpu I686_CPU maxusers 256 makeoptions DEBUG=3D-g options SCHED_4BSD options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options INET #InterNETworking options INET6 #IPv6 options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options PROCFS #Process filesystem options PSEUDOFS options SCSI_DELAY=3D2000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UFS_DIRHASH options VFS_AIO options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensio= ns options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options SHMMAXPGS=3D65536 options SEMMNI=3D40 options SEMMNS=3D240 options SEMUME=3D40 options SEMMNU=3D120 options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel device apic # Symmetric (APIC) I/O device pci device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device ataraid # ATA RAID drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices device scbus # SCSI bus (required) device da # Direct Access (disks) device pass #CAM passthrough driver device aac # Adaptec FSA RAID, Dell PERC2/PERC3 device amr # AMI MegaRAID device atkbdc device atkbd device vga device sc device sio device miibus # MII bus support device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) device bge # Broadcom BCM570x (``Tigon III'') device bce device em device le device loop # Network loopback device ether # Ethernet support device vlan # Virtual LAN support device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) device md # Memory "disks" device bpf #Berkeley packet filter options KDB options ALT_BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER # ~<^B> options KDB_UNATTENDED # reboot on default options DDB # reboot on default options KDB_TRACE # traceback options GDB #HW Crypto device crypto # core crypto support device cryptodev # /dev/crypto for access to h/w device ubsec # Broadcom 5501, 5601, 58xx device hifn # Hifn 7951, 7781, etc. device safe # SafeNet 1141 device smb # /dev/smb* device smbus # bus device ichsmb # Intel ICH SMBus controller chips device acpi device random options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 options COMPAT_LINUX options LINPROCFS options LINSYSFS device ichwd device mpt device ed # add in IPv6 support options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) #buffer kernel logging so messages don't get split options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=3D256 device sg # Linux SCSI passthrough device mfip # LSI MegaRAID SAS passthrough, requires CAM #Bump up kernel message buffer size to capture tty logs. options MSGBUF_SIZE=3D98304 device ichgpio # 2 fibs. options ROUTETABLES=3D2 [2] Sample back-traces page fault db_trace_self_wrapper+38 kdb_backtrace+41 panic+615 trap_fatal+819 trap_pfault+592 trap+946 calltrap+6 vm_page_cache_remove+14 vm_page_alloc+789 vm_fault+2215 trap_pfault+315 trap+560 calltrap+6 sched_switch+406 mi_switch+326 sleepq_switch+203 sleepq_timedwait+55 _sleep+676 mfi_abort+258 mfi_shutdown+209 boot+1848 panic+696 trap_fatal+819 trap_pfault+592 trap+946 calltrap+6 vm_page_cache_remove+14 vm_page_alloc+789 vm_fault+2215 trap_pfault+315 trap+560 calltrap+6 One more: vdrop: hold cnt 0 db_trace_self_wrapper+38 kdb_backtrace+41 panic+615 vdropl+36 vdrop+87 vm_page_alloc+1064 vm_fault+2215 trap_pfault+315 trap+560 calltrap+6 [3] Related sysctl=92s vm.vmtotal: System wide totals computed every five seconds: (values in kilobytes) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Processes: (RUNQ: 1 Disk Wait: 2 Page Wait: 0 Sleep: 74) Virtual Memory: (Total: 4664532K, Active 2532332K) Real Memory: (Total: 858816K Active 814316K) Shared Virtual Memory: (Total: 55668K Active: 46684K) Shared Real Memory: (Total: 29452K Active: 26344K) Free Memory Pages: 2139120K vm.loadavg: { 0.08 0.04 0.01 } vm.v_free_min: 5293 vm.v_free_target: 22305 vm.v_free_reserved: 1133 vm.v_inactive_target: 33457 vm.v_cache_min: 22305 vm.v_cache_max: 44610 vm.v_pageout_free_min: 34 vm.pageout_algorithm: 0 vm.swap_enabled: 1 vm.kmem_size_scale: 3 vm.kmem_size_max: 335544320 vm.kmem_size_min: 0 vm.kmem_size: 335544320 vm.nswapdev: 1 vm.dmmax: 32 vm.swap_async_max: 4 vm.zone_count: 79 vm.swap_idle_threshold2: 10 vm.swap_idle_threshold1: 2 vm.exec_map_entries: 16 vm.stats.misc.zero_page_count: 25 vm.stats.misc.cnt_prezero: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_kthreadpages: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_rforkpages: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_vforkpages: 3656983 vm.stats.vm.v_forkpages: 12444038 vm.stats.vm.v_kthreads: 57 vm.stats.vm.v_rforks: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_vforks: 13231 vm.stats.vm.v_forks: 54094 vm.stats.vm.v_interrupt_free_min: 2 vm.stats.vm.v_pageout_free_min: 34 vm.stats.vm.v_cache_max: 44610 vm.stats.vm.v_cache_min: 22305 vm.stats.vm.v_cache_count: 53 vm.stats.vm.v_inactive_count: 102005 vm.stats.vm.v_inactive_target: 33457 vm.stats.vm.v_active_count: 178156 vm.stats.vm.v_wire_count: 17322 vm.stats.vm.v_free_count: 534705 vm.stats.vm.v_free_min: 5293 vm.stats.vm.v_free_target: 22305 vm.stats.vm.v_free_reserved: 1133 vm.stats.vm.v_page_count: 832337 vm.stats.vm.v_page_size: 4096 vm.stats.vm.v_tfree: 24208690 vm.stats.vm.v_pfree: 19927734 vm.stats.vm.v_dfree: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_tcached: 245 vm.stats.vm.v_pdpages: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_pdwakeups: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_reactivated: 177 vm.stats.vm.v_intrans: 2741 vm.stats.vm.v_vnodepgsout: 5568 vm.stats.vm.v_vnodepgsin: 10073 vm.stats.vm.v_vnodeout: 5568 vm.stats.vm.v_vnodein: 1108 vm.stats.vm.v_swappgsout: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_swappgsin: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_swapout: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_swapin: 0 vm.stats.vm.v_ozfod: 231215 vm.stats.vm.v_zfod: 18990182 vm.stats.vm.v_cow_optim: 11096 vm.stats.vm.v_cow_faults: 3886053 vm.stats.vm.v_vm_faults: 26827859 vm.stats.sys.v_soft: 10975714 vm.stats.sys.v_intr: 1527093 vm.stats.sys.v_syscall: 262664224 vm.stats.sys.v_trap: 27352281 vm.stats.sys.v_swtch: 67880786 vm.stats.object.bypasses: 29995 vm.stats.object.collapses: 309828 vm.v_free_severe: 3213 vm.max_proc_mmap: 49344 vm.old_msync: 0 vm.msync_flush_flags: 3 vm.boot_pages: 48 vm.max_wired: 276913 vm.pageout_lock_miss: 0 vm.disable_swapspace_pageouts: 0 vm.defer_swapspace_pageouts: 0 vm.swap_idle_enabled: 0 vm.pageout_stats_interval: 5 vm.pageout_full_stats_interval: 20 vm.pageout_stats_max: 22305 vm.max_launder: 32 vm.reserv.freed: 72740 vm.reserv.broken: 98 vm.idlezero_enable: 0 vm.kvm_free: 343928832 vm.kvm_size: 1073737728 vm.pmap.pmap_collect_active: 0 vm.pmap.pmap_collect_inactive: 0 vm.pmap.pv_entry_spare: 8168 vm.pmap.pv_entry_allocs: 119151728 vm.pmap.pv_entry_frees: 118896472 vm.pmap.pc_chunk_tryfail: 0 vm.pmap.pc_chunk_frees: 410869 vm.pmap.pc_chunk_allocs: 411653 vm.pmap.pc_chunk_count: 784 vm.pmap.pv_entry_count: 255256 vm.pmap.pde.promotions: 0 vm.pmap.pde.p_failures: 0 vm.pmap.pde.mappings: 0 vm.pmap.pde.demotions: 0 vm.pmap.shpgperproc: 200 vm.pmap.pv_entry_max: 1500240 vm.pmap.pg_ps_enabled: 0 thanks in advance, Sriram From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 13:33:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC75106564A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lhunath@lyndir.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591298FC08 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaak11 with SMTP id k11so610200eaa.13 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:33:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lyndir.com; s=google; h=from:content-type:subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=2IZvqxTLVbl3KrzPkZaoO1XxkBs12d/NG8Dd3HMd1qw=; b=fcX3ojDzc2KA1gcQLAbLhilLewmp5+XKzv75dVbm0USRQzq5g04m+16rNrTTi2ZVAa 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Maarten Billemont Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8BB83F23-D2B9-4BC0-9D50-67EA3091BA55"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:33:17 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1486) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk6UhUhUQ3Ck/oI16xpbPJcsUdwnV53PfiEVWhpxKdwX6s1ewIkKnAx28EqOtyBkJOIR8I+ X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Upgrading 9.1-BETA1 -> 9.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:33:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8BB83F23-D2B9-4BC0-9D50-67EA3091BA55 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've installed a FreeBSD server using the BETA1 release because RC1 was = delayed. I notice the 9.1-RC1 is available now, so I thought I'd = upgrade ASAP. The following command, however, fails me: freebsd-update -r 9.1-RC1 upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-BETA1 from update4.FreeBSD.org... = failed. Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-BETA1 from update3.FreeBSD.org... = failed. Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-BETA1 from update5.FreeBSD.org... = failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. Upon inspection of the code, it appears BETA1's ssl.pub cannot be found = at any of the mirrors, and as such the process aborts. The release notes for RC1 specifically mention freebsd-update. How do I perform a correct update to RC1, and why is the freebsd-update = flow failing me or not supported? Thanks!= --Apple-Mail=_8BB83F23-D2B9-4BC0-9D50-67EA3091BA55-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 15:15:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FDB106568E for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC488FC14 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7OFErw8031616; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50379A6B.7070206@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:14:51 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson References: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> <20120823163839.e2cf7432.freebsd@edvax.de> <503664E3.8060808@dreamchaser.org> <50375FE5.7000809@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <50375FE5.7000809@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:14:54 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:15:10 -0000 On 08/24/12 05:05, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-08-23 19:14, Gary Aitken skrev: > >> On 08/23/12 08:38, Polytropon wrote: >>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:08 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >>>> For the photo folks -- >>>> >>>> What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? >>>> I've tried >>>> exif >>>> exiftags >>>> exifprobe >>>> and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly pen-ep3. >>>> In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, >>>> and they seem to display different parts of things, but not everything. ... >> bah -- >> exif doesn't report all the tags > > Try exif -l filename and it will show you all exif fields and the fields that's in the picture. > > From man exif > > -l, --list-tags > List all known EXIF tags and IFDs. A JPEG image must be pro- > vided, and those tags which appear in the file are shown with an > asterisk in the corresponding position in the list. exif appears to list only "known" exif tags, and seems to omit vendor specific information. Much of the important information about an image is stored in the vendor specific tags. In the case of my oly pen-ep3, exif -l lists 143 known exif tags, of which only 49 are used by my camera. However, exiv2 shows over 300 pieces of relevant information which actually appear, and well over 100 I can identify as relevant to the particular image (the others may or may not be relevant, I just can't interpret them; some are unlabelled). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 16:01:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D95106566C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EB48FC15 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-auth2.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.94] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4wKC-0000kl-6b for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:01:46 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T4wKB-0006mJ-W5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:01:32 +0100 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7OG1TWT004709 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:01:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7OG1S60004708 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:01:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:01:28 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201208241601.q7OG1S60004708@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Level: - Subject: mail, mpack and aliases X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:01:54 -0000 I'm trying to use converters/mpack to send attachments. It doesn't seem to know anything about mail(1) aliases. I tried to save mpack output to a file with -o option, and then read this file into a mail message, e.g. with ~r. However, this doesn't seem to work. The attachment is not recognised as such and is just displayed as part of the body text. I think it's because there's an empty line between the mail header and the mime header produced by mpack. So how can I use mpack and my mail aliases? Thanks Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 19:51:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78297106566C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:51:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Received: from ozzie.tundraware.com (ozzie.tundraware.com [75.145.138.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EB78FC0A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (viper.tundraware.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ozzie.tundraware.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7OJjkGS093407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:45:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from tundra@tundraware.com) Message-ID: <5037D9E9.9050305@tundraware.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:45:45 -0500 From: Tim Daneliuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (ozzie.tundraware.com [192.168.0.1]); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:45:46 -0500 (CDT) X-TundraWare-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-TundraWare-MailScanner-ID: q7OJjkGS093407 X-TundraWare-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TundraWare-MailScanner-From: tundra@tundraware.com X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Tangental And OT: Commercial Support For 'sudo' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:51:58 -0000 Please forgive the OTishness of this, but I'm hoping some of my fellows in the large data center space may have a hint or two here ... I am working with a firm that needs to run sudo in a variety of OS environments. A few of these - noteably IBM AIX - do not provide vendor support and legal indemnification of many open source packages, sudo among them. This is official a Big Deal (tm) for this company. So ... does anyone know of a commercial concern that provide sudo support and legal indemnification? GratiSoft - the keeper of sudo - were apparently going to do this at one point but decided not to. TIA, Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion of the World's Finest OS... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Daneliuk tundra@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 19:55:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530DD106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryan@shatow.net) Received: from secure.xzibition.com (secure.xzibition.com [173.160.118.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87738FC15 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:55:55 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sweb; b=I/JElM JGJVuzg61iBip1klCn8mvSaIKhXZyQhgtgWHPX8/caGUSfE5UOJRFZtsvH+NtfQ0 AwY2YZGS5Vf7438qhpy9YTFUSbujYTS/8HKOXrqIB5nrqi5zEkQEfcK/eznyw3Dh ad24Cd5oK049VRVMm7ZujII46tf7LtNe0arcI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sweb; bh=G0EzgmUsm609 Z/x/i7BTa2hUMx3qMwcGZD4NF6NeRrI=; b=Ywyv/6PPiaoQMnUSrzHsgZA4F6Ir dTLXSbbGA9GJp5RmU/E1QIhs+8JXCjAYL+763LA/Z7phenoD7XEcgSebzmHQC2VG ZS+KquQA1/1C9OYXROpjQJsen16xCxb333dBRezqrVRcjtw8hQOI6RDvGvX5LgLy RZbcmRhHGRF6Toc= Received: (qmail 53586 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2012 14:55:54 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.74?) (bryan@shatow.net@74.94.87.209) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 24 Aug 2012 14:55:54 -0500 Message-ID: <5037DC64.8070807@shatow.net> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:56:20 -0500 From: Bryan Drewery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sriram Gorti References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lockups/panics with arbitrary 7.2 boxes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:55:56 -0000 On 8/24/2012 6:47 AM, Sriram Gorti wrote: > We have been observing the following on quite a few of our i386 > FreeBSD 7.2 systems in the course of the last few months: 7.2 reached EoL June 30th, 2010. See http://www.freebsd.org/security/ You should really upgrade. Bryan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 19:59:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFAB106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A891F8FC14 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so6656356obb.13 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=fesbFCJEjkMMD0KnJw3/RiMOOgKE5FXsnprUw/TXA2c=; b=T/wSFCuy1alcWRgWI3Z+yZlMzWp9UjTUHSi4wsibi3AIvMDrptPQJV7sNVqhOuRPze H/4yB0V4fyq74RQxmby6DiCbjCVX04U0tADDhaUA6EyY1j+8dedknFO2UsI1s+r40JSW vyEhixgcpX8bimEZ0UGF4LEPTmm6MKuBGQWMpNNsUVhZSzpHyqnEXgEwVBG/S6SvmZQF RiFfIf569HSjo5hEFcmkuEq+w+1vjj5jCO0bByb6hMQJM1IysZozW437g1ItXC2uQ/Rg VrqA9VTbjn6Ru1eSljpRNJP2ODR7LoasoPanjFSM+5fJ1nHH8b5meTkIrjYwJTF+rw+x LY/w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.174.100 with SMTP id br4mr1488068obc.62.1345838389293; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.67.7 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:59:49 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: kqi9wmfG_EhhRkpojzi2VaqB2vA Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Unable to get crash dump X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:59:50 -0000 Hi All, Running 8.3-STABLE 5/21/2012 on HP DL360. While testing crash dump functionality, the dump aborts with the following message: Aborting dump due to I/O error. status == 0xb, scsi status == 0x0 ** DUMP FAILED (ERROR 5) ** Automatic reboot in 5 seconds - press a key on the console to abort Googling and searching freebsd.org have produced what appeared to be some what relevant messages, but I found nothing pointing to a cause and fix. I'm hoping someone might be able to point me in a direction to figuring this out. -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 20:56:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D48106564A for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B418FC21 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7OKuVsa059606; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:56:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <5037E9F2.1040005@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:54:10 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120808 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org References: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> <20120823163839.e2cf7432.freebsd@edvax.de> <503664E3.8060808@dreamchaser.org> <50375FE5.7000809@bananmonarki.se> <50379A6B.7070206@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <50379A6B.7070206@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:56:49 -0000 2012-08-24 17:14, Gary Aitken skrev: > On 08/24/12 05:05, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> 2012-08-23 19:14, Gary Aitken skrev: >> >>> On 08/23/12 08:38, Polytropon wrote: >>>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:08 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >>>>> For the photo folks -- >>>>> >>>>> What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? >>>>> I've tried >>>>> exif >>>>> exiftags >>>>> exifprobe >>>>> and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly pen-ep3. >>>>> In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, >>>>> and they seem to display different parts of things, but not everything. > ... >>> bah -- >>> exif doesn't report all the tags >> >> Try exif -l filename and it will show you all exif fields and the fields that's in the picture. >> >> From man exif >> >> -l, --list-tags >> List all known EXIF tags and IFDs. A JPEG image must be pro- >> vided, and those tags which appear in the file are shown with an >> asterisk in the corresponding position in the list. > > exif appears to list only "known" exif tags, and seems to omit vendor specific > information. Much of the important information about an image is stored in the > vendor specific tags. exif -'|' filename show the camera vendors stuff kw# exif -'|' IMG_0657.JPG MakerNote contains 109 values: Macro Mode |Normal Self-timer |Off Quality |Fine Flash Mode |Off Drive Mode |Single Unknown Tag |0x0000 Focus Mode |Single Unknown Tag |0xffff Record Mode |JPEG Image Size |Large Easy Shooting Mode |Full auto Digital Zoom |None Contrast |Normal Saturation |Normal Sharpness |Normal ISO |Auto Metering Mode |Evaluative Focus Range |Auto AF Point |0x4006 Exposure Mode |Easy shooting Unknown Tag |0x7fff Lens Type |0xffff Long Focal Length of|60000 Short Focal Length o|5000 Focal Units per mm |1000 Maximal Aperture |3.40 Minimal Aperture |8.00 Flash Activity |0xffff Flash Details | Unknown Tag |0x0000 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Focus Mode |Continuous AE Setting |Normal AE Image Stabilization |On Display Aperture |3.40 Zoom Source Width |4000 Zoom Target Width |4000 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Photo Effect |0xffff Manual Flash Output |Off Color Tone |0x7fff Unknown Tag |0x7fff Unknown Tag |0x0000 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Unknown Tag |0xffff Unknown Tag |0x0078 Focal Type |Zoom Focal Length |5000 Focal Plane X Size |6.35 mm Focal Plane Y Size |4.75 mm Unknown Tag | Auto ISO |4.000 Shot ISO |100 Measured EV |2.38 EV Target Aperture |3.40 Target Exposure Time|1/25 Exposure Compensatio|0.00 EV White Balance |Auto Slow Shutter |Off Sequence Number |0 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Flash Guide Number |0.00 AF Point |0x0000 Flash Exposure Compe|0.00 EV AE Bracketing |Off AE Bracket Value |0.00 EV Unknown Tag |0x0001 Focus Distance Upper|61 mm Focus Distance Lower|0 mm FNumber |3.47 Exposure Time |1/27 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Bulb Duration |0x0000 Unknown Tag |0x0008 Camera Type |Compact Auto Rotate |None ND Filter |Off Self-timer |Off Unknown Tag |0x0000 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Unknown Tag |0x0000 Manual Flash Output |Off Image Type |IMG:PowerShot SX130 IS JPEG Firmware Version |Firmware Version 1.01 Image Number |121-0657 Owner Name | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | > In the case of my oly pen-ep3, exif -l lists 143 known exif tags, > of which only 49 are used by my camera. However, exiv2 shows over > 300 pieces of relevant information which actually appear, and well over 100 > I can identify as relevant to the particular image (the others may or may not > be relevant, I just can't interpret them; some are unlabelled). > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 22:40:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3C7106567C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986AE8FC17 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBF9B7.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.249.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q7OMeDDB019940; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:40:13 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7OMe14o017950; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:40:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7OMdmmr090014; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:40:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201208242240.q7OMdmmr090014@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Tim Daneliuk From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:45:45 CDT." <5037D9E9.9050305@tundraware.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:39:48 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Tangental And OT: Commercial Support For 'sudo' X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:40:19 -0000 Hi, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > Please forgive the OTishness of this, but I'm hoping some of > my fellows in the large data center space may have a hint or > two here ... > > I am working with a firm that needs to run sudo in a variety of > OS environments. A few of these - noteably IBM AIX - do not provide > vendor support and legal indemnification of many open source packages, > sudo among them. This is official a Big Deal (tm) for this company. > > So ... does anyone know of a commercial concern that provide sudo support > and legal indemnification? GratiSoft - the keeper of sudo - were apparently > going to do this at one point but decided not to. It wouldn't surprise me if no firm offered useful legal indemnification with contract terms the lawyer of your firm would consider acceptable. Why suppliers might not like to offer cover: How long is a piece of string ? Define what doors the string connects, contracturaly definie routes & limits & values of potential consequential damage to data & service & 3rd parties. How much would lawyers & insurance brokers/suppliers push up the price for defining cover ? Reduced motivation to purchase cover anyway in realisation its a grey area, eminently disputable, & come a big claim on insurer, he'd be looking for loopholes, so insuree (your firm) could end up sueing insurer. Yet more lawyers & insurance fees; a profitable interesting relatively safe software supply business is different from the insurance business. Some managers are clueless, first demand the impossible, don't get it, then compromise without, & do business without: One customer demanded as standard, my welding certificate & insurance over a million Euros, I refused, offered I would stand on street & pass a floppy disk through their fence. It escalated to someone responsible, they abandoned their conditions & purchased. Several customers wanted me/my company to accept unlimited risk in event of copyright law suit (possible to research that risk, though still dangerous as even defending frivolous law suits can cost) and to cover risk of software patent litigation (impossible to know risks that lurk, no way!). Iv'e always refused, but offered to help explore contacts in insurance business if customer Really wants to purchase own insurance. After Thinking, they've Always backed down, & decided that's Their business operating risk they should shoulder & not try to pass to others, as no one else is stupid enough to accept undefinable risk, except possibly at very heavy extra cost & debatable usefulness. Even if a firm categorically demands insurance, - does not mean they will get it, - indicates some manager is clueless, foolish or deluded/ aggressive, - shows the firm is a business risk, as it doesn't understand associated business issues. Every cloud has a silver lining. An indemnity contract (if any found) will have legal terms that purchasers lawyer will need to consult a computer professional about. The purchasing firm will end up paying 2 professionals to define its risk, & probably decide to skip it, & carry it's own risk. PS Another discussion forum to ask on: SAGE, System Administrators Guild Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from Yahoo & Hotmail to be dumped @Berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 00:53:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52B4106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E0C8FC15 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DB0C5E84DB6; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:52:53 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 26 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 00:53:00 -0000 been here the whole day since around 09.00. one question since the guy who did my kvm switch used too-short cables----they were ~4ft instead of 6. my question: Do any of you know if I can just buy kvm cables... of say 6ft? it's a trendnet TK-409K. #2:: I have no idea how a USB port could burn out, but that's what the tech found. anybody care to reply to either point?? tx very tmuch -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 01:03:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E114106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:03:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdunham@texas.net) Received: from nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.207]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 594398FC0C for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 01:00:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.49] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 01:00:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 01:00:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 500863.36370.bm@smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: zgr3doQVM1lp48JIiuasfEaKSr5fabx4jjJOP0S1k5zy9Vf 5RMxPui9r228WlJ.eInNanOCjL0k.6IhtPHbh8nfJ_v_fa3i2PHXw6vFLR8I ZDWBb1IFUdbXlNpRJIK4yKkHBf1jOgQ2hsyqg1tr9ILAh3TaIiV306TPJpgQ hKUL1P2inYB8nV0uFQULzbOK8o.5dzuu8EVPhv6i.G2r6yXNo63NwxxuXlj3 2J1UZyVaiHNwi977dPD2i2b2oCk2cjrGCylwuqHjmrtOwRmNPLylOWVAxISK wYlslxXZz2eLk4XzPC0rMk4LL8SwzTV1mK7h1sZMRPWW09W_OLuIcN5Ez2aQ vyXOIpiQPiJvqiiCVjPnBMlBU5m28AvG2Yo7sK4UfJQdJMidCcrkLREfwMHV i4VoIrjNcxl.iay2y0gsepmsmJ85nSwgvWcYUbXMis.hfRUo- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BXg4crCswBA3Yst0ukKcAsjzce_hQYKGmi4Wj6Ag Received: from [192.168.0.104] (jdunham@108.82.83.232 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2012 18:00:08 -0700 PDT From: "Jerry Dunham" To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:00:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <50382395.19975.2F776255@jdunham.texas.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> References: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.63) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Description: Mail message body X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jdunham@texas.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:03:34 -0000 On 24 Aug 2012 at 17:52, Gary Kline wrote: > been here the whole day since around 09.00. one question since the guy > who did my kvm switch used too-short cables----they were ~4ft instead > of 6. my question: Do any of you know if I can just buy kvm cables... > of say 6ft? it's a trendnet TK-409K. KVM cables are generally pretty standard critters, though there are several types. You could probably just do a Google search, but I can tell you that NewEgg has a variety of them. -- Jerry Dunham Moderator, Texas Great Dane Rescue jdunham@texas.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 01:36:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEE91065693 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20B08FC0A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AMD620.ovitrap.com ([49.128.188.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q7P1aKwE012772; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:36:23 -0600 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:39:29 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Gary Kline Message-ID: <20120825083929.18fb9147@AMD620.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> References: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 01:36:34 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:52:53 -0700 Gary Kline wrote: > #2:: I have no idea how a USB port could burn out, but that's what > the tech found. anybody care to reply to either point?? > every electrical or electronic device can burn out. I would check the hardware directly connected to the affected port. Especially the motherboard if it is a built-in one. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 02:18:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67802106566C for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 02:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 380028FC12 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 02:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A290417010; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:57 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <503833B8.7090301@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:56 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 02:18:18 -0000 Gary Kline wrote: > been here the whole day since around 09.00. one question since the > guy who did my kvm switch used too-short cables----they were ~4ft > instead of 6. my question: Do any of you know if I can just buy > kvm cables... of say 6ft? it's a trendnet TK-409K. > > > #2:: I have no idea how a USB port could burn out, but that's what > the tech found. anybody care to reply to either point?? > > tx very tmuch > Aloha Gary, Check pccables.com thats where I got mine. 6 foot. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 04:19:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89024106566B for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637C98FC12 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5D03CE84DAD; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:19:17 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Erich Dollansky Message-ID: <20120825041917.GA21506@thought.org> References: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> <20120825083929.18fb9147@AMD620.ovitrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120825083929.18fb9147@AMD620.ovitrap.com> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 26 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:19:18 -0000 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 08:39:29AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:39:29 +0700 > From: Erich Dollansky > Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] > To: Gary Kline > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) > > Hi, > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 17:52:53 -0700 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > #2:: I have no idea how a USB port could burn out, but that's what > > the tech found. anybody care to reply to either point?? > > > every electrical or electronic device can burn out. I would check the > hardware directly connected to the affected port. Especially the > motherboard if it is a built-in one. the tech tried every USB port; none responded. the motherbd was a drop-in since the box was oeiginally a 2.75GHz single-proc bare-bones from 2005. gary ps: I have two copies of everything so just d/loaded Fedora. see if that reactivates the ports. > > Erich -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 04:21:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADB2106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469DB8FC1E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A7337E84DAD; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:21:31 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Jerry Dunham Message-ID: <20120825042131.GB21506@thought.org> References: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> <50382395.19975.2F776255@jdunham.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50382395.19975.2F776255@jdunham.texas.net> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 26 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:21:32 -0000 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 08:00:05PM -0500, Jerry Dunham wrote: > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 20:00:05 -0500 > From: Jerry Dunham > Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Cc: > X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.63) > > On 24 Aug 2012 at 17:52, Gary Kline wrote: > > > been here the whole day since around 09.00. one question since the guy > > who did my kvm switch used too-short cables----they were ~4ft instead > > of 6. my question: Do any of you know if I can just buy kvm cables... > > of say 6ft? it's a trendnet TK-409K. > > KVM cables are generally pretty standard critters, though there are several types. You > could probably just do a Google search, but I can tell you that NewEgg has a variety of > them. > > wow! outstanding. thanks. gary > > -- > Jerry Dunham > Moderator, Texas Great Dane Rescue > jdunham@texas.net > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 04:23:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433981065674 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD7C8FC19 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9A182E84DAD; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 21:23:18 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Al Plant Message-ID: <20120825042318.GC21506@thought.org> References: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> <503833B8.7090301@hdk5.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <503833B8.7090301@hdk5.net> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 26 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:23:19 -0000 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 04:08:56PM -1000, Al Plant wrote: > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:08:56 -1000 > From: Al Plant > Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] > To: Gary Kline > CC: FreeBSD Mailing List > > Gary Kline wrote: > >been here the whole day since around 09.00. one question since the > >guy who did my kvm switch used too-short cables----they were ~4ft > >instead of 6. my question: Do any of you know if I can just buy > >kvm cables... of say 6ft? it's a trendnet TK-409K. > > > > > >#2:: I have no idea how a USB port could burn out, but that's what > >the tech found. anybody care to reply to either point?? > > > >tx very tmuch > > > Aloha Gary, > > Check pccables.com thats where I got mine. 6 foot. YES! Aloha!! > > > > ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 > + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + > + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + > < email: noc@hdk5.net > > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 04:47:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6D7106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FCA8FC08 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q7P4leZr033705; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <503858EA.90006@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:47:38 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson References: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> <20120823163839.e2cf7432.freebsd@edvax.de> <503664E3.8060808@dreamchaser.org> <50375FE5.7000809@bananmonarki.se> <50379A6B.7070206@dreamchaser.org> <5037E9F2.1040005@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <5037E9F2.1040005@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 22:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 04:47:53 -0000 On 08/24/12 14:54, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-08-24 17:14, Gary Aitken skrev: >> On 08/24/12 05:05, Bernt Hansson wrote: >>> 2012-08-23 19:14, Gary Aitken skrev: >>> >>>> On 08/23/12 08:38, Polytropon wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:08 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: >>>>>> For the photo folks -- >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? >>>>>> I've tried >>>>>> exif >>>>>> exiftags >>>>>> exifprobe >>>>>> and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly pen-ep3. >>>>>> In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, >>>>>> and they seem to display different parts of things, but not everything. >> ... >>>> bah -- >>>> exif doesn't report all the tags >>> >>> Try exif -l filename and it will show you all exif fields and the fields that's in the picture. >>> >>> From man exif >>> >>> -l, --list-tags >>> List all known EXIF tags and IFDs. A JPEG image must be pro- >>> vided, and those tags which appear in the file are shown with an >>> asterisk in the corresponding position in the list. >> >> exif appears to list only "known" exif tags, and seems to omit vendor specific >> information. Much of the important information about an image is stored in the >> vendor specific tags. > > exif -'|' filename show the camera vendors stuff > > kw# exif -'|' IMG_0657.JPG > MakerNote contains 109 values: > Macro Mode |Normal > Self-timer |Off ... > >> In the case of my oly pen-ep3, exif -l lists 143 known exif tags, >> of which only 49 are used by my camera. However, exiv2 shows over >> 300 pieces of relevant information which actually appear, and well over 100 >> I can identify as relevant to the particular image (the others may or may not >> be relevant, I just can't interpret them; some are unlabelled). Perhaps it depends on the camera; or perhaps Canon puts all of the additional information in the MakerNote. For my oly, the MakerNote contains next to nothing: %exif -'|' Bird_0001B_20111214_300mm_IS_30s_Flicker.jpg MakerNote contains 7 values: Speed/Sequence/Panor|Normal/0/0 Camera ID |OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Unknown Tag | Another possibility is you are missing some info you aren't aware of. I'm curious to know if Canon stashes things in other places; I know nikon does similar to the way oly does as reported below; exiv2 -u -p a on a nikon raw file shows 112 nikon specific values. %man exif ... As EXIF tags are read, any unknown ones are discarded... %exiv2 -u -p a Bird_0001B_20111214_300mm_IS_30s_Flicker.jpg Exif.Image.ImageDescription Ascii 32 OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA Exif.Image.Make Ascii 24 OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP. Exif.Image.Model Ascii 17 E-P3 Exif.Image.Orientation Short 1 top, left Exif.Image.XResolution Rational 1 314 Exif.Image.YResolution Rational 1 314 Exif.Image.ResolutionUnit Short 1 inch Exif.Image.Software Ascii 32 Version 1.0 Exif.Image.DateTime Ascii 20 2011:12:14 13:46:47 Exif.Image.Artist Ascii 64 Gary Aitken Exif.Image.YCbCrPositioning Short 1 Co-sited Exif.Image.Copyright Ascii 64 Dona Aitken Exif.Image.ExifTag Long 1 218 Exif.Photo.ExposureTime Rational 1 1/30 s Exif.Photo.FNumber Rational 1 F6.7 Exif.Photo.ExposureProgram Short 1 Aperture priority Exif.Photo.ISOSpeedRatings Short 1 640 Exif.Photo.ExifVersion Undefined 4 2.21 Exif.Photo.DateTimeOriginal Ascii 20 2011:12:14 13:46:47 Exif.Photo.DateTimeDigitized Ascii 20 2011:12:14 13:46:47 Exif.Photo.ComponentsConfiguration Undefined 4 YCbCr Exif.Photo.ExposureBiasValue SRational 1 0 EV Exif.Photo.MaxApertureValue Rational 1 F4.8 Exif.Photo.MeteringMode Short 1 Spot Exif.Photo.LightSource Short 1 Cloudy weather Exif.Photo.Flash Short 1 Yes, did not fire Exif.Photo.FocalLength Rational 1 300.0 mm Exif.Photo.MakerNote Undefined 10368 (Binary value suppressed) Exif.MakerNote.Offset Long 1 3208 Exif.MakerNote.ByteOrder Ascii 3 II Exif.Olympus2.SpecialMode Long 3 Normal Exif.Olympus2.CameraID Undefined 32 OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA Exif.Olympus2.Equipment Ifd 1 102 Exif.OlympusEq.EquipmentVersion Undefined 4 1.00 Exif.OlympusEq.CameraType Ascii 6 S0032 Exif.OlympusEq.SerialNumber Ascii 32 B9U504279 Exif.OlympusEq.InternalSerialNumber Ascii 32 4124110000231102 Exif.OlympusEq.FocalPlaneDiagonal Rational 1 2160/100 Exif.OlympusEq.BodyFirmwareVersion Long 1 4102 Exif.OlympusEq.LensType Byte 6 0 0 8 16 0 0 Exif.OlympusEq.LensSerialNumber Ascii 32 340007174 Exif.OlympusEq.LensModel Ascii 32 OLYMPUS M.75-300mm F4.8-6.7 Exif.OlympusEq.LensFirmwareVersion Long 1 4096 Exif.OlympusEq.MaxApertureAtMinFocal Short 1 1159 Exif.OlympusEq.MaxApertureAtMaxFocal Short 1 1405 Exif.OlympusEq.MinFocalLength Short 1 75 Exif.OlympusEq.MaxFocalLength Short 1 300 Exif.OlympusEq.MaxApertureAtCurrentFocal Short 1 1428 Exif.OlympusEq.LensProperties Short 1 49472 Exif.OlympusEq.Extender Byte 6 None Exif.OlympusEq.ExtenderSerialNumber Ascii 32 Exif.OlympusEq.ExtenderModel Ascii 32 Exif.OlympusEq.ExtenderFirmwareVersion Long 1 0 Exif.OlympusEq.0x0403 Ascii 32 Exif.OlympusEq.FlashType Short 1 None Exif.OlympusEq.FlashModel Short 1 None Exif.OlympusEq.FlashFirmwareVersion Long 1 0 Exif.OlympusEq.FlashSerialNumber Ascii 32 Exif.Olympus2.CameraSettings Ifd 1 408 Exif.OlympusCs.CameraSettingsVersion Undefined 4 1.00 Exif.OlympusCs.PreviewImageValid Long 1 Yes Exif.OlympusCs.PreviewImageStart Long 1 5803244 Exif.OlympusCs.PreviewImageLength Long 1 565426 Exif.OlympusCs.ExposureMode Short 1 Aperture-priority AE Exif.OlympusCs.AELock Short 1 Off Exif.OlympusCs.MeteringMode Short 1 Spot Exif.OlympusCs.ExposureShift SRational 1 0/100 Exif.OlympusCs.MacroMode Short 1 Off Exif.OlympusCs.FocusMode Short 2 MF10 Exif.OlympusCs.FocusProcess Short 2 AF Used Exif.OlympusCs.AFSearch Short 1 Ready Exif.OlympusCs.AFAreas Long 64 1902874257 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Exif.OlympusCs.AFPointSelected SRational 5 0/0 255/510 252/510 255/510 252/510 Exif.OlympusCs.0x0306 Byte 1 0 Exif.OlympusCs.AFFineTuneAdj SShort 3 0 0 0 Exif.OlympusCs.FlashMode Short 1 Fill-in Exif.OlympusCs.FlashExposureComp SRational 1 0/256 Exif.OlympusCs.0x0402 Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusCs.FlashRemoteControl Short 1 Off Exif.OlympusCs.FlashControlMode Short 4 Off Exif.OlympusCs.FlashIntensity SRational 4 0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0 Exif.OlympusCs.ManualFlashStrength SRational 4 0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0 Exif.OlympusCs.WhiteBalance Short 1 6000K (Cloudy) Exif.OlympusCs.WhiteBalanceTemperature Short 1 6000 Exif.OlympusCs.WhiteBalanceBracket SShort 2 0 0 Exif.OlympusCs.CustomSaturation SShort 3 1 -5 5 Exif.OlympusCs.ModifiedSaturation Short 1 Off Exif.OlympusCs.ContrastSetting SShort 3 0 -5 5 Exif.OlympusCs.SharpnessSetting SShort 3 0 -5 5 Exif.OlympusCs.ColorSpace Short 1 sRGB Exif.OlympusCs.0x0508 Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusCs.SceneMode Short 1 Standard Exif.OlympusCs.NoiseReduction Short 1 Exif.OlympusCs.DistortionCorrection Short 1 Off Exif.OlympusCs.ShadingCompensation Short 1 Off Exif.OlympusCs.CompressionFactor Rational 1 4/1 Exif.OlympusCs.0x050e Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusCs.Gradation SShort 4 Normal, Auto-Override Exif.OlympusCs.PictureMode Short 2 Natural Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeSaturation SShort 3 1 -2 2 Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeHue Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeContrast SShort 3 0 -2 2 Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeSharpness SShort 3 0 -2 2 Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeBWFilter SShort 1 n/a Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeTone SShort 1 n/a Exif.OlympusCs.NoiseFilter SShort 3 Off Exif.OlympusCs.0x0528 Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusCs.ArtFilter Short 4 Off ... Exif.OlympusCs.DriveMode Short 3 0 0 0 Exif.OlympusCs.PanoramaMode Short 2 0 0 Exif.OlympusCs.ImageStabilization Long 1 On, Mode 1 Exif.OlympusCs.0x0800 Short 1 1 Exif.OlympusCs.ManometerPressure Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusCs.ManometerReading SLong 2 0 0 Exif.OlympusCs.ExtendedWBDetect Short 1 Off Exif.Olympus2.RawDevelopment Ifd 1 1158 Exif.OlympusRd.RawDevVersion Undefined 4 1.00 Exif.OlympusRd.ExposureBiasValue SRational 1 0/1 Exif.OlympusRd.WhiteBalanceValue Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusRd.WBFineAdjustment SShort 1 0 Exif.OlympusRd.GrayPoint Short 3 0 0 0 Exif.OlympusRd.SaturationEmphasis SShort 3 0 0 0 Exif.OlympusRd.MemoryColorEmphasis Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusRd.ContrastValue SShort 3 0 0 0 Exif.OlympusRd.SharpnessValue SShort 3 0 0 0 Exif.OlympusRd.ColorSpace Short 1 sRGB Exif.OlympusRd.Engine Short 1 High Speed Exif.OlympusRd.NoiseReduction Short 1 Exif.OlympusRd.EditStatus Short 1 Original Exif.OlympusRd.Settings Short 1 Exif.Olympus2.ImageProcessing Ifd 1 1332 Exif.OlympusIp.ImageProcessingVersion Undefined 4 1.12 Exif.OlympusIp.WB_RBLevels Short 4 574 362 260 256 Exif.OlympusIp.ColorMatrix Short 9 372 65448 65508 65476 388 65464 6 65396 390 Exif.OlympusIp.BlackLevel Short 4 64 64 64 65 Exif.OlympusIp.GainBase Short 1 256 Exif.OlympusIp.CropLeft Short 2 8 0 Exif.OlympusIp.CropTop Short 2 8 0 Exif.OlympusIp.CropWidth Long 1 4032 Exif.OlympusIp.CropHeight Long 1 3024 ... Exif.OlympusIp.NoiseReduction Short 1 Exif.OlympusIp.DistortionCorrection Short 1 Off Exif.OlympusIp.ShadingCompensation Short 1 Off Exif.OlympusIp.0x101b SShort 2 0 0 Exif.OlympusIp.MultipleExposureMode Short 2 Off ... Exif.OlympusIp.FaceDetect Long 3 Off Exif.OlympusIp.FaceDetectArea Short 192 ... Exif.Olympus2.FocusInfo Ifd 1 2358 Exif.OlympusFi.FocusInfoVersion Undefined 4 1.00 ... Exif.OlympusFi.AutoFocus Short 1 Off ... Exif.OlympusFi.SceneDetect Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusFi.SceneArea Long 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2046824464 Exif.OlympusFi.SceneDetectData Long 720 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ... Exif.OlympusFi.ZoomStepCount Short 1 31 Exif.OlympusFi.FocusStepCount Short 1 556 Exif.OlympusFi.0x0302 Short 1 4 Exif.OlympusFi.FocusStepInfinity Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusFi.FocusStepNear Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusFi.FocusDistance Rational 1 8365/10 Exif.OlympusFi.0x0307 Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusFi.AFPoint Short 1 Left (or n/a) ... Exif.OlympusFi.ExternalFlash Short 2 Off Exif.OlympusFi.0x1202 Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusFi.ExternalFlashGuideNumber SRational 1 0/1 Exif.OlympusFi.ExternalFlashBounce Short 1 Bounce or Off Exif.OlympusFi.ExternalFlashZoom Rational 1 0/1 Exif.OlympusFi.0x1206 Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusFi.0x1207 Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusFi.InternalFlash Short 1 Off Exif.OlympusFi.ManualFlash Short 2 Off 1 Exif.OlympusFi.0x120a Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusFi.SensorTemperature SShort 1 317 Exif.OlympusFi.0x1501 Long 2 0 0 Exif.OlympusFi.0x1502 Short 1 0 Exif.OlympusFi.ImageStabilization Undefined 80 33 49 49 0 0 147 35 98 2 98 2 245 236 240 237 86 86 151 0 98 0 0 0 1 1 1 ... Exif.Photo.UserComment Undefined 125 Exif.Photo.FlashpixVersion Undefined 4 1.00 Exif.Photo.ColorSpace Short 1 sRGB Exif.Photo.PixelXDimension Long 1 4032 Exif.Photo.PixelYDimension Long 1 3024 Exif.Photo.InteroperabilityTag Long 1 686 Exif.Iop.InteroperabilityIndex Ascii 4 R98 Exif.Iop.InteroperabilityVersion Undefined 4 1.00 Exif.Photo.FileSource Undefined 1 Digital still camera Exif.Photo.CustomRendered Short 1 Normal process Exif.Photo.ExposureMode Short 1 Auto Exif.Photo.WhiteBalance Short 1 Manual Exif.Photo.DigitalZoomRatio Rational 1 1.0 Exif.Photo.SceneCaptureType Short 1 Standard Exif.Photo.GainControl Short 1 High gain up Exif.Photo.Contrast Short 1 Normal Exif.Photo.Saturation Short 1 High Exif.Photo.Sharpness Short 1 Normal Exif.Image.PrintImageMatching Undefined 528 (Binary value suppressed) Exif.Thumbnail.Compression Short 1 JPEG (old-style) Exif.Thumbnail.XResolution Rational 1 72 Exif.Thumbnail.YResolution Rational 1 72 Exif.Thumbnail.ResolutionUnit Short 1 inch Exif.Thumbnail.JPEGInterchangeFormat Long 1 13588 Exif.Thumbnail.JPEGInterchangeFormatLength Long 1 4387 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 06:51:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B31106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 06:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller23@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp1.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B598FC14 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 06:51:44 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=4X4phkhoFnpgk3UdFDJrQdHqK5PA6Vt9Q3utMayJ2dE= c=1 sm=0 a=Hq66gvdjqsYA:10 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=GzVBkkWv6NYA:10 a=1FnSp_u7AAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QF3vy68zbje9dsq6sRAA:9 a=RgZKMaxAX1MA:10 a=AcdsImxJPJ9Yo6Ye3TGm+Q==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp01.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=mueller23@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp01.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.134.34.76 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.134.34.76] ([74.134.34.76:54346] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id AF/67-04060-AF578305; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 02:51:38 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 02:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Maarten Billemont Subject: Re: Upgrading 9.1-BETA1 -> 9.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 06:51:45 -0000 from Maarten Billemont : > I've installed a FreeBSD server using the BETA1 release because RC1 was delayed. I notice the 9.1-RC1 is available now, so I thought I'd upgrade ASAP. > The following command, however, fails me: > freebsd-update -r 9.1-RC1 upgrade > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. > Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-BETA1 from update4.FreeBSD.org... failed. > Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-BETA1 from update3.FreeBSD.org... failed. > Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-BETA1 from update5.FreeBSD.org... failed. > No mirrors remaining, giving up. > Upon inspection of the code, it appears BETA1's ssl.pub cannot be found at any of the mirrors, and as such the process aborts. > The release notes for RC1 specifically mention freebsd-update. > How do I perform a correct update to RC1, and why is the freebsd-update flow failing me or not supported? > Thanks! I believe freebsd-update only works, to and from, on supported releases; this would not include betas. Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 07:13:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E669C106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6738FC08 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7P7DRdH014471 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:13:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by kontrol.kode5.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7P7DRFj014470 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:13:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kontrol.kode5.net: jamie set sender to jamie@kode5.net using -f Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:13:27 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120825071327.GA14409@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-operating-system: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at kontrol.kode5.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Upgrading 9.1-BETA1 -> 9.1-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:13:37 -0000 [ Thomas Mueller wrote on Sat 25.Aug'12 at 2:51:38 -0400 ] > from Maarten Billemont : > > > I've installed a FreeBSD server using the BETA1 release because RC1 was delayed. I notice the 9.1-RC1 is available now, so I thought I'd upgrade ASAP. > > > The following command, however, fails me: > > > freebsd-update -r 9.1-RC1 upgrade > > Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. > > Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-BETA1 from update4.FreeBSD.org... failed. > > Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-BETA1 from update3.FreeBSD.org... failed. > > Fetching metadata signature for 9.1-BETA1 from update5.FreeBSD.org... failed. > > No mirrors remaining, giving up. > > > Upon inspection of the code, it appears BETA1's ssl.pub cannot be found at any of the mirrors, and as such the process aborts. > > > The release notes for RC1 specifically mention freebsd-update. > > > How do I perform a correct update to RC1, and why is the freebsd-update flow failing me or not supported? > > > Thanks! > > I believe freebsd-update only works, to and from, on supported releases; this would not include betas. > > Tom I built it from sources yesterday using the stable-supfile and csup. I've had no issues using that method. It took a heck of a long time to compile world though, ~2-3 hours in single user mode with -j5 option to make(1) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 07:40:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE20106566B for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:40:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller23@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp3.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37E68FC1B for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:40:49 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=4X4phkhoFnpgk3UdFDJrQdHqK5PA6Vt9Q3utMayJ2dE= c=1 sm=0 a=eZe-6s-vrH0A:10 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=7XNKPBmbnUwA:10 a=5o0Kwa6bAAAA:8 a=HonGxWTgAAAA:8 a=T1LgCsFovLdllOxApRkA:9 a=2IDN0xrzlfsA:10 a=a--KMxv99YYA:10 a=AcdsImxJPJ9Yo6Ye3TGm+Q==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=mueller23@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp01.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp01.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.134.34.76 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.134.34.76] ([74.134.34.76:59725] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id 91/33-04060-B7188305; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:40:43 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 03:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: <91.33.04060.B7188305@smtp01.insight.synacor.com> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Peter Wemm Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.1-RC1 Available... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:40:50 -0000 from Peter Wemm : > As a data point.. if you're talking about "stable/9", then that is > still available via cvs/csup/cvsup as RELENG_9. > If you track 9-stable, you're unaffected. > I got two private emails about this. > To be clear, yes, if you're tracking RELENG_9, you will get > "9.1-STABLE", and future 9.2 things just like before. > All that is missing is the release management branch. > But there will never be a RELENG_10* anything in cvs. from Ken Menzel : > As I see no answered your real question. But I agree with them: yes you > can still use csup or cvsup for releng_9 (stable 9). > But as to your question, if you are switching to svn to try it out: In > my experience I had to remove (rm -rf /usr/src) /usr/src or the old > files remained. The checkout process did not update the existing files. > But maybe I did something wrong. > Tools other than cvs and cvsup are unaffected. You can still use > portsnap or make fetch in /usr/ports etc. > Ken This should help get me started. I could even attempt to cover both bases with cd /usr mv src src-csup mkdir src and be ready to go with svn. But since I could run csup again if needed/desired, this might be overkill, unless I want to compare the file formats. It looks like it would be easier to keep track of revision number with svn than with csup. If svn is going to be the main tool for keeping up to date with source, then subversion ought to become part of the base system. I might some day want to try 10-current (HEAD) on a different partition, then csup will not work at all to get the source. 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Sat, 25 Aug 2012 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:36:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: Edgar Rodolfo To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Fatal trop 12 page fault while kernel mode FreeBSD 9 release X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:36:06 -0000 HI guys, two days ago i installed a FreeBSD on my machine: hw.model: AMD FX(tm) - 4100 quad core processor I want to use the machine only as server (httpd, mysql, ftp and other) I were installing some software e.g. squid, mysql when suddenly i saw the message: Fatal trop 12 page fault while kernel mode cpuid=2, apic id=02 fault virtual address = 0xffffffffde6c80 fault code = supervisor read data, page not present instruction pointer =0x20:0ffffffff80asa3ba stack pointer =0x28:0xffffffff82118c03a0 panic:bad pte frame pointer=0x28:0xffffff82118c03f0 cpuid=1 code segment=base 0x0 limit 0xfffff, type 0x1 b . . . more messages and finished whit similar: #0 0xfffffff 808680fe at kdb_backtracet0se # . . . #7... I rebooted the machine, it checked the file system, but i want to know if in another opportunity will i see the same? thanks in advance for your recommendation. currently i have another operating system, but i want to return to FreeBSD, the hardware is: [root@ns02 ~]# cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 21 model : 1 model name : AMD FX(tm)-4100 Quad-Core Processor stepping : 2 microcode : 0x6000624 cpu MHz : 1400.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 4 core id : 0 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 0 initial apicid : 0 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 13 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes xsave avx lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs xop skinit wdt lwp fma4 nodeid_msr topoext perfctr_core arat cpb hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save tsc_scale vmcb_clean flushbyasid decodeassists pausefilter pfthreshold bogomips : 7232.35 TLB size : 1536 4K pages clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm 100mhzsteps hwpstate cpb processor : 1 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 21 model : 1 model name : AMD FX(tm)-4100 Quad-Core Processor stepping : 2 microcode : 0x6000624 cpu MHz : 1400.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 4 core id : 1 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 1 initial apicid : 1 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 13 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes xsave avx lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs xop skinit wdt lwp fma4 nodeid_msr topoext perfctr_core arat cpb hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save tsc_scale vmcb_clean flushbyasid decodeassists pausefilter pfthreshold bogomips : 7232.35 TLB size : 1536 4K pages clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm 100mhzsteps hwpstate cpb processor : 2 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 21 model : 1 model name : AMD FX(tm)-4100 Quad-Core Processor stepping : 2 microcode : 0x6000624 cpu MHz : 1400.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 4 core id : 3 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 2 initial apicid : 3 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 13 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes xsave avx lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs xop skinit wdt lwp fma4 nodeid_msr topoext perfctr_core arat cpb hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save tsc_scale vmcb_clean flushbyasid decodeassists pausefilter pfthreshold bogomips : 7232.35 TLB size : 1536 4K pages clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm 100mhzsteps hwpstate cpb processor : 3 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 21 model : 1 model name : AMD FX(tm)-4100 Quad-Core Processor stepping : 2 microcode : 0x6000624 cpu MHz : 1400.000 cache size : 2048 KB physical id : 0 siblings : 4 core id : 2 cpu cores : 2 apicid : 3 initial apicid : 2 fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 13 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes xsave avx lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs xop skinit wdt lwp fma4 nodeid_msr topoext perfctr_core arat cpb hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save tsc_scale vmcb_clean flushbyasid decodeassists pausefilter pfthreshold bogomips : 7232.35 TLB size : 1536 4K pages clflush size : 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 48 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts ttp tm 100mhzsteps hwpstate cpb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 14:46:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513E21065674 for ; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT r214444 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 188.174.204.91 Subject: connecting Sony PRS-T1 to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:46:17 -0000 Hi, I'm thinking in acquiring an eBook reader, some Android based one, for example the Sony PRS-T1, which has USB and Wifi; as well there are methods described to 'root' the device, i.e. to get full access into the Android Linux; someone here who has such a device and know if it connects to FreeBSD via the USB Ethernet driver cdce(4)? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11 | UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2 | FreeBSD since 2.2.5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 15:39:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41784106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BFE8FC1E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbbgg13 with SMTP id gg13so2014886lbb.13 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:39:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2z2HdHHXW7JsXYW6uhJf+RGz68NTLey6w4y4GyNxV+E=; b=oGvI4QuV99mZ8UDTxsIUD5XPXZ32nqELgePpaZkyuGcSzsKeLhFh9kMhpNCc9nBupx 5raf8M1DbtRLXlfkR6/vhPUBbvKkEoph0kJeNgVwxwykOkh3trZYfWYDev0vgyBoK5jF L37ry47qcQYsht6WPMoqHMqo0wX2LOOTx28cmIPPAJjnplNM+0tOyCoYXAGXBLGPg65f 5+PjphcuTCL1U3DOj10cvW7utKN+aPqSbYcC5DjYoT8m1uggQqfpFIvLuOhvMdK9fU5E zKIo+YViMm8GtnxYz1+FbkuHs6ObXs8KAN5Vm/fhdjLQN7DrlvxIQgXHYZNwrE9W63nK tMtA== Received: by 10.152.105.173 with SMTP id gn13mr9190347lab.20.1345909159225; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (93-127-96-97.static.vega-ua.net. [93.127.96.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id mq9sm13575685lab.0.2012.08.25.08.39.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5038F1A5.5040109@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:39:17 +0300 From: Alexander Kapshuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120803 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: re: built-in mic configuration [compaq presario laptop] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:39:21 -0000 I would like to be able to use the built-in mic to record audio and to use Skype with. An external mic seems to work out-of-the-box. Any input would be appreciated. :; uname -a FreeBSD box2 9.0-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE-p4 #0: Fri Aug 17 21:53:39 EEST 2012 root@box2:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 :; dmesg | grep pcm pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 pcm1: at cad 2 nid 1 on hdac0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 15:58:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41D0106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A8D8FC14 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so9880939wey.13 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:58:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SXADuV2tR5JV4E0769hT9z82OjQ3eUMhXDr7I1c7gaU=; b=CIYeJkxYcrmsOMV846z1Awk6+4uauP/yrnPQVfqfLiTwkSoHnb12YUQe6qvgA5A0j0 UmEczLplh+SBVFcCQut/lFSWMHI+vvgW7yhei5kvFwhFW81pyL/GhughiPY1/SXzYSAg H4MN2NkFwyYkVSvf2BPoBiHGpte9mrFayRNTHbJ+0N1TppWF8d5RoPls6B0QMFvlBsh9 dT8Y3jPsTejDH5jTBrSWY7EI+cw+oS1rC0k2fcNGoGPL0uG1xl1rCY7OWXTpoG25FOmM uqunx/oTTlVPnOssBb1A4v9Rl5yUquc9yDCAtZxBvx+VKipAIlbweHiGrzNwxMEgM51m MSyQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.106.97 with SMTP id gt1mr13187166wib.5.1345910329914; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.190.153 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:58:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <503858EA.90006@dreamchaser.org> References: <5035C6E8.3050108@dreamchaser.org> <20120823163839.e2cf7432.freebsd@edvax.de> <503664E3.8060808@dreamchaser.org> <50375FE5.7000809@bananmonarki.se> <50379A6B.7070206@dreamchaser.org> <5037E9F2.1040005@bananmonarki.se> <503858EA.90006@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 08:58:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: EXIF inspector X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:58:52 -0000 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 08/24/12 14:54, Bernt Hansson wrote: > > 2012-08-24 17:14, Gary Aitken skrev: > >> On 08/24/12 05:05, Bernt Hansson wrote: > >>> 2012-08-23 19:14, Gary Aitken skrev: > >>> > >>>> On 08/23/12 08:38, Polytropon wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 00:00:08 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > >>>>>> For the photo folks -- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What do you use for inspecting EXIF data? > >>>>>> I've tried > >>>>>> exif > >>>>>> exiftags > >>>>>> exifprobe > >>>>>> and none of them show the full compliment of tags present on my oly > pen-ep3. > >>>>>> In particular, they omit most of the vendor specific stuff, > >>>>>> and they seem to display different parts of things, but not > everything. > >> ... > >>>> bah -- > >>>> exif doesn't report all the tags > >>> > >>> Try exif -l filename and it will show you all exif fields and the > fields that's in the picture. > >>> > >>> From man exif > >>> > >>> -l, --list-tags > >>> List all known EXIF tags and IFDs. A JPEG image must be > pro- > >>> vided, and those tags which appear in the file are shown with > an > >>> asterisk in the corresponding position in the list. > >> > >> exif appears to list only "known" exif tags, and seems to omit vendor > specific > >> information. Much of the important information about an image is > stored in the > >> vendor specific tags. > > > > exif -'|' filename show the camera vendors stuff > > > > kw# exif -'|' IMG_0657.JPG > > MakerNote contains 109 values: > > Macro Mode |Normal > > Self-timer |Off > ... > > > >> In the case of my oly pen-ep3, exif -l lists 143 known exif tags, > >> of which only 49 are used by my camera. However, exiv2 shows over > >> 300 pieces of relevant information which actually appear, and well over > 100 > >> I can identify as relevant to the particular image (the others may or > may not > >> be relevant, I just can't interpret them; some are unlabelled). > > Perhaps it depends on the camera; or perhaps Canon puts all of the > additional > information in the MakerNote. For my oly, the MakerNote contains next to > nothing: > > %exif -'|' Bird_0001B_20111214_300mm_IS_30s_Flicker.jpg > MakerNote contains 7 values: > Speed/Sequence/Panor|Normal/0/0 > Camera ID |OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA > Unknown Tag | > Unknown Tag | > Unknown Tag | > Unknown Tag | > Unknown Tag | > > Another possibility is you are missing some info you aren't aware of. > I'm curious to know if Canon stashes things in other places; > I know nikon does similar to the way oly does as reported below; > exiv2 -u -p a on a nikon raw file shows 112 nikon specific values. > > %man exif > ... > As EXIF tags are read, any unknown ones are discarded... > > %exiv2 -u -p a Bird_0001B_20111214_300mm_IS_30s_Flicker.jpg > Exif.Image.ImageDescription Ascii 32 OLYMPUS > DIGITAL CAMERA > Exif.Image.Make Ascii 24 OLYMPUS > IMAGING CORP. > Exif.Image.Model Ascii 17 E-P3 > Exif.Image.Orientation Short 1 top, left > Exif.Image.XResolution Rational 1 314 > Exif.Image.YResolution Rational 1 314 > Exif.Image.ResolutionUnit Short 1 inch > Exif.Image.Software Ascii 32 Version 1.0 > Exif.Image.DateTime Ascii 20 2011:12:14 > 13:46:47 > Exif.Image.Artist Ascii 64 Gary Aitken > Exif.Image.YCbCrPositioning Short 1 Co-sited > Exif.Image.Copyright Ascii 64 Dona Aitken > Exif.Image.ExifTag Long 1 218 > Exif.Photo.ExposureTime Rational 1 1/30 s > Exif.Photo.FNumber Rational 1 F6.7 > Exif.Photo.ExposureProgram Short 1 Aperture > priority > Exif.Photo.ISOSpeedRatings Short 1 640 > Exif.Photo.ExifVersion Undefined 4 2.21 > Exif.Photo.DateTimeOriginal Ascii 20 2011:12:14 > 13:46:47 > Exif.Photo.DateTimeDigitized Ascii 20 2011:12:14 > 13:46:47 > Exif.Photo.ComponentsConfiguration Undefined 4 YCbCr > Exif.Photo.ExposureBiasValue SRational 1 0 EV > Exif.Photo.MaxApertureValue Rational 1 F4.8 > Exif.Photo.MeteringMode Short 1 Spot > Exif.Photo.LightSource Short 1 Cloudy weather > Exif.Photo.Flash Short 1 Yes, did not > fire > Exif.Photo.FocalLength Rational 1 300.0 mm > Exif.Photo.MakerNote Undefined 10368 (Binary > value suppressed) > Exif.MakerNote.Offset Long 1 3208 > Exif.MakerNote.ByteOrder Ascii 3 II > Exif.Olympus2.SpecialMode Long 3 Normal > Exif.Olympus2.CameraID Undefined 32 OLYMPUS > DIGITAL CAMERA > Exif.Olympus2.Equipment Ifd 1 102 > Exif.OlympusEq.EquipmentVersion Undefined 4 1.00 > Exif.OlympusEq.CameraType Ascii 6 S0032 > Exif.OlympusEq.SerialNumber Ascii 32 B9U504279 > Exif.OlympusEq.InternalSerialNumber Ascii 32 > 4124110000231102 > Exif.OlympusEq.FocalPlaneDiagonal Rational 1 2160/100 > Exif.OlympusEq.BodyFirmwareVersion Long 1 4102 > Exif.OlympusEq.LensType Byte 6 0 0 8 16 0 0 > Exif.OlympusEq.LensSerialNumber Ascii 32 340007174 > Exif.OlympusEq.LensModel Ascii 32 OLYMPUS > M.75-300mm F4.8-6.7 > Exif.OlympusEq.LensFirmwareVersion Long 1 4096 > Exif.OlympusEq.MaxApertureAtMinFocal Short 1 1159 > Exif.OlympusEq.MaxApertureAtMaxFocal Short 1 1405 > Exif.OlympusEq.MinFocalLength Short 1 75 > Exif.OlympusEq.MaxFocalLength Short 1 300 > Exif.OlympusEq.MaxApertureAtCurrentFocal Short 1 1428 > Exif.OlympusEq.LensProperties Short 1 49472 > Exif.OlympusEq.Extender Byte 6 None > Exif.OlympusEq.ExtenderSerialNumber Ascii 32 > Exif.OlympusEq.ExtenderModel Ascii 32 > Exif.OlympusEq.ExtenderFirmwareVersion Long 1 0 > Exif.OlympusEq.0x0403 Ascii 32 > Exif.OlympusEq.FlashType Short 1 None > Exif.OlympusEq.FlashModel Short 1 None > Exif.OlympusEq.FlashFirmwareVersion Long 1 0 > Exif.OlympusEq.FlashSerialNumber Ascii 32 > Exif.Olympus2.CameraSettings Ifd 1 408 > Exif.OlympusCs.CameraSettingsVersion Undefined 4 1.00 > Exif.OlympusCs.PreviewImageValid Long 1 Yes > Exif.OlympusCs.PreviewImageStart Long 1 5803244 > Exif.OlympusCs.PreviewImageLength Long 1 565426 > Exif.OlympusCs.ExposureMode Short 1 > Aperture-priority AE > Exif.OlympusCs.AELock Short 1 Off > Exif.OlympusCs.MeteringMode Short 1 Spot > Exif.OlympusCs.ExposureShift SRational 1 0/100 > Exif.OlympusCs.MacroMode Short 1 Off > Exif.OlympusCs.FocusMode Short 2 MF10 > Exif.OlympusCs.FocusProcess Short 2 AF Used > Exif.OlympusCs.AFSearch Short 1 Ready > Exif.OlympusCs.AFAreas Long 64 1902874257 0 0 > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.AFPointSelected SRational 5 0/0 255/510 > 252/510 255/510 252/510 > Exif.OlympusCs.0x0306 Byte 1 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.AFFineTuneAdj SShort 3 0 0 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.FlashMode Short 1 Fill-in > Exif.OlympusCs.FlashExposureComp SRational 1 0/256 > Exif.OlympusCs.0x0402 Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.FlashRemoteControl Short 1 Off > Exif.OlympusCs.FlashControlMode Short 4 Off > Exif.OlympusCs.FlashIntensity SRational 4 0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0 > Exif.OlympusCs.ManualFlashStrength SRational 4 0/0 0/0 0/0 0/0 > Exif.OlympusCs.WhiteBalance Short 1 6000K (Cloudy) > Exif.OlympusCs.WhiteBalanceTemperature Short 1 6000 > Exif.OlympusCs.WhiteBalanceBracket SShort 2 0 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.CustomSaturation SShort 3 1 -5 5 > Exif.OlympusCs.ModifiedSaturation Short 1 Off > Exif.OlympusCs.ContrastSetting SShort 3 0 -5 5 > Exif.OlympusCs.SharpnessSetting SShort 3 0 -5 5 > Exif.OlympusCs.ColorSpace Short 1 sRGB > Exif.OlympusCs.0x0508 Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.SceneMode Short 1 Standard > Exif.OlympusCs.NoiseReduction Short 1 > Exif.OlympusCs.DistortionCorrection Short 1 Off > Exif.OlympusCs.ShadingCompensation Short 1 Off > Exif.OlympusCs.CompressionFactor Rational 1 4/1 > Exif.OlympusCs.0x050e Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.Gradation SShort 4 Normal, > Auto-Override > Exif.OlympusCs.PictureMode Short 2 Natural > Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeSaturation SShort 3 1 -2 2 > Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeHue Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeContrast SShort 3 0 -2 2 > Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeSharpness SShort 3 0 -2 2 > Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeBWFilter SShort 1 n/a > Exif.OlympusCs.PictureModeTone SShort 1 n/a > Exif.OlympusCs.NoiseFilter SShort 3 Off > Exif.OlympusCs.0x0528 Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.ArtFilter Short 4 Off > ... > Exif.OlympusCs.DriveMode Short 3 0 0 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.PanoramaMode Short 2 0 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.ImageStabilization Long 1 On, Mode 1 > Exif.OlympusCs.0x0800 Short 1 1 > Exif.OlympusCs.ManometerPressure Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.ManometerReading SLong 2 0 0 > Exif.OlympusCs.ExtendedWBDetect Short 1 Off > Exif.Olympus2.RawDevelopment Ifd 1 1158 > Exif.OlympusRd.RawDevVersion Undefined 4 1.00 > Exif.OlympusRd.ExposureBiasValue SRational 1 0/1 > Exif.OlympusRd.WhiteBalanceValue Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusRd.WBFineAdjustment SShort 1 0 > Exif.OlympusRd.GrayPoint Short 3 0 0 0 > Exif.OlympusRd.SaturationEmphasis SShort 3 0 0 0 > Exif.OlympusRd.MemoryColorEmphasis Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusRd.ContrastValue SShort 3 0 0 0 > Exif.OlympusRd.SharpnessValue SShort 3 0 0 0 > Exif.OlympusRd.ColorSpace Short 1 sRGB > Exif.OlympusRd.Engine Short 1 High Speed > Exif.OlympusRd.NoiseReduction Short 1 > Exif.OlympusRd.EditStatus Short 1 Original > Exif.OlympusRd.Settings Short 1 > Exif.Olympus2.ImageProcessing Ifd 1 1332 > Exif.OlympusIp.ImageProcessingVersion Undefined 4 1.12 > Exif.OlympusIp.WB_RBLevels Short 4 574 362 260 256 > Exif.OlympusIp.ColorMatrix Short 9 372 65448 > 65508 65476 388 65464 6 65396 390 > Exif.OlympusIp.BlackLevel Short 4 64 64 64 65 > Exif.OlympusIp.GainBase Short 1 256 > Exif.OlympusIp.CropLeft Short 2 8 0 > Exif.OlympusIp.CropTop Short 2 8 0 > Exif.OlympusIp.CropWidth Long 1 4032 > Exif.OlympusIp.CropHeight Long 1 3024 > ... > Exif.OlympusIp.NoiseReduction Short 1 > Exif.OlympusIp.DistortionCorrection Short 1 Off > Exif.OlympusIp.ShadingCompensation Short 1 Off > Exif.OlympusIp.0x101b SShort 2 0 0 > Exif.OlympusIp.MultipleExposureMode Short 2 Off > ... > Exif.OlympusIp.FaceDetect Long 3 Off > Exif.OlympusIp.FaceDetectArea Short 192 > ... > Exif.Olympus2.FocusInfo Ifd 1 2358 > Exif.OlympusFi.FocusInfoVersion Undefined 4 1.00 > ... > Exif.OlympusFi.AutoFocus Short 1 Off > ... > Exif.OlympusFi.SceneDetect Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.SceneArea Long 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 2046824464 > Exif.OlympusFi.SceneDetectData Long 720 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > ... > Exif.OlympusFi.ZoomStepCount Short 1 31 > Exif.OlympusFi.FocusStepCount Short 1 556 > Exif.OlympusFi.0x0302 Short 1 4 > Exif.OlympusFi.FocusStepInfinity Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.FocusStepNear Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.FocusDistance Rational 1 8365/10 > Exif.OlympusFi.0x0307 Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.AFPoint Short 1 Left (or n/a) > ... > Exif.OlympusFi.ExternalFlash Short 2 Off > Exif.OlympusFi.0x1202 Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.ExternalFlashGuideNumber SRational 1 0/1 > Exif.OlympusFi.ExternalFlashBounce Short 1 Bounce or Off > Exif.OlympusFi.ExternalFlashZoom Rational 1 0/1 > Exif.OlympusFi.0x1206 Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.0x1207 Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.InternalFlash Short 1 Off > Exif.OlympusFi.ManualFlash Short 2 Off 1 > Exif.OlympusFi.0x120a Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.SensorTemperature SShort 1 317 > Exif.OlympusFi.0x1501 Long 2 0 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.0x1502 Short 1 0 > Exif.OlympusFi.ImageStabilization Undefined 80 33 49 49 0 0 > 147 35 98 2 98 2 245 236 240 237 86 86 151 0 98 0 0 0 1 1 1 > ... > Exif.Photo.UserComment Undefined 125 > > Exif.Photo.FlashpixVersion Undefined 4 1.00 > Exif.Photo.ColorSpace Short 1 sRGB > Exif.Photo.PixelXDimension Long 1 4032 > Exif.Photo.PixelYDimension Long 1 3024 > Exif.Photo.InteroperabilityTag Long 1 686 > Exif.Iop.InteroperabilityIndex Ascii 4 R98 > Exif.Iop.InteroperabilityVersion Undefined 4 1.00 > Exif.Photo.FileSource Undefined 1 Digital still > camera > Exif.Photo.CustomRendered Short 1 Normal process > Exif.Photo.ExposureMode Short 1 Auto > Exif.Photo.WhiteBalance Short 1 Manual > Exif.Photo.DigitalZoomRatio Rational 1 1.0 > Exif.Photo.SceneCaptureType Short 1 Standard > Exif.Photo.GainControl Short 1 High gain up > Exif.Photo.Contrast Short 1 Normal > Exif.Photo.Saturation Short 1 High > Exif.Photo.Sharpness Short 1 Normal > Exif.Image.PrintImageMatching Undefined 528 (Binary value > suppressed) > Exif.Thumbnail.Compression Short 1 JPEG > (old-style) > Exif.Thumbnail.XResolution Rational 1 72 > Exif.Thumbnail.YResolution Rational 1 72 > Exif.Thumbnail.ResolutionUnit Short 1 inch > Exif.Thumbnail.JPEGInterchangeFormat Long 1 13588 > Exif.Thumbnail.JPEGInterchangeFormatLength Long 1 4387 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I've always used /usr/ports/graphics/jhead which has seemed to me to show the most information.... here is a basic comparison.. but the exiv2 is cool, didn't realize it would work with RAW files.. thanks for that information! Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA # jhead -v IMG_8203.thumb.jpg Exif header 1384 bytes long Exif section in Intel order (dir has 12 entries) ImageDescription = "?" Make = "Canon?" Model = "EOS REBEL T2i?" Orientation = 8 XResolution = 300/1 YResolution = 300/1 PlanarConfiguration = 1 ResolutionUnit = 2 Software = "dcraw v9.12?" DateTime = "2012:07:15 14:23:58" Artist = "?" ExifOffset = 294 Exif Dir:(dir has 4 entries) ExposureTime = 5065/1000000 FNumber = 11313708/1000000 ISOSpeedRatings = 100 FocalLength = 100000000/1000000 Jpeg section marker 0xdb size 132 JPEG image is 5184w * 3456h, 3 color components, 8 bits per sample Jpeg section marker 0xc4 size 418 File name : IMG_8203.thumb.jpg File size : 3373614 bytes File date : 2012:07:15 19:07:52 Camera make : Canon Camera model : EOS REBEL T2i Date/Time : 2012:07:15 14:23:58 Resolution : 5184 x 3456 Orientation : rotate 270 Focal length : 100.0mm Exposure time: 0.0051 s (1/197) Aperture : f/11.3 ISO equiv. : 100 # exiv2 -v IMG_8203.thumb.jpg File 1/1: IMG_8203.thumb.jpg File name : IMG_8203.thumb.jpg File size : 3373614 Bytes MIME type : image/jpeg Image size : 5184 x 3456 Camera make : Canon Camera model : EOS REBEL T2i Image timestamp : Image number : Exposure time : 1/197 s Aperture : F11 Exposure bias : Flash : Flash bias : Focal length : 100.0 mm Subject distance: ISO speed : 100 Exposure mode : Metering mode : Macro mode : Image quality : Exif Resolution : White balance : Thumbnail : None Copyright : Exif comment : # exiv2 -v IMG_8203.CR2 File 1/1: IMG_8203.CR2 File name : IMG_8203.CR2 File size : 28932682 Bytes MIME type : image/x-canon-cr2 Image size : 5184 x 3456 Camera make : Canon Camera model : Canon EOS REBEL T2i Image timestamp : 2012:07:15 14:23:58 Image number : Exposure time : 1/200 s Aperture : F11 Exposure bias : 0 EV Flash : Yes, compulsory Flash bias : 0 EV Focal length : 100.0 mm Subject distance: 0 ISO speed : 100 Exposure mode : Manual Metering mode : Multi-segment Macro mode : Off Image quality : RAW Exif Resolution : 5184 x 3456 White balance : Auto Thumbnail : image/jpeg, 16798 Bytes Copyright : Copyright 2011 waitman@waitman.net Exif comment : From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 16:05:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830EB1065673 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:05:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111008FC1E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12so4121635wib.1 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:05:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QF6+NEi9E1sSS+E1wUyVFRlTn3hBItz69BM6k/QQaSc=; b=xoH4Xj6kCPGv6IpI1Hh4fsAdTafFvKrU7WSAIwEXZ5HFffTUnKOTd9MNgwwthe4NOm hgDj0S+SljBXkiQpPGgRCX9/kPORatNfNPK988eP7baavJKGjkBfr87pZja0Pl9zUySg l+qBQ3gftXMkQXDECPZVglVeXLkQlGQJO/g34iizzp20D/UyV0NrwgUm0Bul0cnab5D0 I1LijksIXS4Ms7rXC/SPD8YKpzH4aK+Z1V34CwgeUPfFvPNz2gEwsj1mRLNZENrNo12N fBUdGrOxSy0w/KAW9xiIpLq0tuFz0OEsF2pcHNjovXvw8GB/fG1SsQvwkgO2QdEmNZRK wxhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.20.204 with SMTP id p12mr13194398wie.7.1345910739847; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.190.153 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:05:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> References: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:05:39 -0700 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:05:47 -0000 On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > been here the whole day since around 09.00. one question since the > guy who did my kvm switch used too-short cables----they were ~4ft > instead of 6. my question: Do any of you know if I can just buy > kvm cables... of say 6ft? it's a trendnet TK-409K. > > > #2:: I have no idea how a USB port could burn out, but that's what > the tech found. anybody care to reply to either point?? > > tx very tmuch > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service > Unix > Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Hi Gary, I don't recall a burn-out issue like that with a USB port, except maybe on a notebook one time.. but I've recently seen some mobo mfgs advertising 'ESD resistant USB ports'. So I suppose that's been an issue... Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 16:26:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74248106566B for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0311D8FC14 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so2070841wgb.31 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:26:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=viz8WvFDQE0SPbeWWx+4s3k3MH/okHJYynzI8XIDdwg=; b=Go0xzgxUR/M6SQjIkXNLCIIuC5ucH+Ig3poTFmnZwzvcnjMsxsDqQ4c1tIWdrODT+C E/fWRzsaYddegdlkL1Q3fWnWYIw+aau0UjhREqFVWwTtt4jGx8xP6cq12OFX7WH8hI94 rL3ovsYmZtzg0cwePKGBM1PKGRlOZvjZa+2ygCUVJdp6hVx/c49J4wT1kcriSFNqc7uL B6XvPkyCpLhoMS4vIK0KRwnnFagf8/nf1fzwpMSi3rBKdyK9DJU1Z/DuAy8keKSOXos6 pgw2FSVWSE7MN8Gesebw6vssivIGoOCo/Bvb/HAyiTa8KeDSXCjwMRsTKuJ452POTUv1 TE1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.100.35 with SMTP id ev3mr13285374wib.7.1345912004586; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.190.153 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:26:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5038F1A5.5040109@gmail.com> References: <5038F1A5.5040109@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:26:44 -0700 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: Alexander Kapshuk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: built-in mic configuration [compaq presario laptop] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:26:46 -0000 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Alexander Kapshuk < alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com> wrote: > I would like to be able to use the built-in mic to record audio and to use > Skype with. An external mic seems to work out-of-the-box. > > Any input would be appreciated. > > :; uname -a > FreeBSD box2 9.0-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE-p4 #0: Fri Aug 17 21:53:39 > EEST 2012 root@box2:/usr/obj/usr/src/**sys/GENERIC i386 > > :; dmesg | grep pcm > pcm0: at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 > pcm1: at cad 2 nid 1 on hdac0 > > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org " > Hi, you need to specify the device, take a look at # ls /dev/dsp* /dev/dsp0.0 /dev/dsp0.1 /dev/dsp1.0 /dev/dsp2.0 /dev/dsp2.1 for example, i can send audio output to headphone jack: # mplayer -zoom -x 1280 -y 720 -fs -ao oss:/dev/dsp1 -mixer /dev/mixer2 /path/to/file Haven't tried skype on FreeBSD but there should be a device setting. I've noticed that some machines seem to automatically switch, ie when I plug in headphones to the headphone jack or a mic into a microphone jack it "just works". But other machines don't work automatically and I have to set the device manually as above. A simple way, you can try setting each device to see which one works. :) # cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) Installed devices: pcm0: (play) pcm1: (play/rec) default pcm2: (rec) # mixer Mixer vol is currently set to 90:90 Mixer pcm is currently set to 85:85 Mixer speaker is currently set to 100:100 Mixer mic is currently set to 67:67 Mixer mix is currently set to 1:1 Mixer rec is currently set to 1:1 Mixer ogain is currently set to 100:100 Recording source: mic Waitman Gobble San Jose California USA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 17:25:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB75F106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:25:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2074C8FC12 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lage12 with SMTP id e12so2055370lag.13 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:25:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5xet3Vuw8UtabG3sIOnVQSruA9r2tvOSryZ5WJ+uDI0=; b=YYOLS32GBA6uw80PNDDQJ9/MtOgvMiIJKTWEZEfQzi5n/BVYBc3pSmgxzyItPyRzR1 E/TXOmyyHSzemOypj0OrRPIRfpflAVFB9rvQbIiBVRwjhlAlXCMSOSxEnnrtvXNU5cXb Z+5os9dsCSjwC6JAt1D4/HMXJh0GLszjeDN8Li1MujH1h7UcyBj693A+JXUJ+MHjdU7T iKX50ZVutSYeE1zJ7kZD7jVMR92Q/RN4LdogRLrrioDBFkwRZ91VB5oQPWiUxW5pNFq3 pRm8T8+yHngeCcsWTYSPCVcN16o59Dhqf0Hg5M0xWFLkWA5Gsfivaa08Fbv48Gbr/NiC 0t5g== Received: by 10.112.17.195 with SMTP id q3mr4359533lbd.34.1345915507417; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (93-127-96-97.static.vega-ua.net. [93.127.96.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sm7sm13773668lab.5.2012.08.25.10.25.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50390A71.2090101@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:25:05 +0300 From: Alexander Kapshuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120803 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Waitman Gobble References: <5038F1A5.5040109@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: built-in mic configuration [compaq presario laptop] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:25:16 -0000 On 08/25/12 19:26, Waitman Gobble wrote: > you need to specify the device, take a look at > > # ls /dev/dsp* > /dev/dsp0.0 /dev/dsp0.1 /dev/dsp1.0 /dev/dsp2.0 /dev/dsp2.1 > > for example, i can send audio output to headphone jack: > # mplayer -zoom -x 1280 -y 720 -fs -ao oss:/dev/dsp1 -mixer > /dev/mixer2 /path/to/file > > Haven't tried skype on FreeBSD but there should be a device setting. > I've noticed that some machines seem to automatically switch, ie when > I plug in headphones to the headphone jack or a mic into a microphone > jack it "just works". But other machines don't work automatically and > I have to set the device manually as above. A simple way, you can try > setting each device to see which one works. :) > > > # cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 64bit 2009061500/amd64) > Installed devices: > pcm0: (play) > pcm1: (play/rec) default > pcm2: (rec) > > # mixer > Mixer vol is currently set to 90:90 > Mixer pcm is currently set to 85:85 > Mixer speaker is currently set to 100:100 > Mixer mic is currently set to 67:67 > Mixer mix is currently set to 1:1 > Mixer rec is currently set to 1:1 > Mixer ogain is currently set to 100:100 > Recording source: mic OK. Thanks. I'll give that a try. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 18:28:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E913A1065673 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C144B8FC17 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4B891E80CF5; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:28:32 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Waitman Gobble Message-ID: <20120825182832.GA7192@thought.org> References: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 26 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:28:34 -0000 On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 09:05:39AM -0700, Waitman Gobble wrote: > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:05:39 -0700 > From: Waitman Gobble > Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > been here the whole day since around 09.00. one question since the > > guy who did my kvm switch used too-short cables----they were ~4ft > > instead of 6. my question: Do any of you know if I can just buy > > kvm cables... of say 6ft? it's a trendnet TK-409K. > > > > > > #2:: I have no idea how a USB port could burn out, but that's what > > the tech found. anybody care to reply to either point?? > > > > tx very tmuch > > > > -- > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service > > Unix > > Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Hi Gary, > > I don't recall a burn-out issue like that with a USB port, except maybe on > a notebook one time.. but I've recently seen some mobo mfgs advertising > 'ESD resistant USB ports'. So I suppose that's been an issue... > > Waitman Gobble > San Jose California USA tx for the datapoint. a friend in Dallas thinks the USB ports are good and that it's a cabling isssue. the tech is self-taught. that might be as good a way of learning about computer hardware... . I may not have to buy a new/refurb computer. the tech is thinking of coming back tomorrow {sunday} to make sure about the cables. he inserted the USB plugs *by feel*. blew me away. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 18:50:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6BD106566C for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1202C8FC12 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.113.121.193] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T5LRD-0000ke-GF; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:50:27 +0200 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q7PIoS41001218; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:50:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id q7PIoRLb001217; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:50:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:50:27 +0200 From: Matthias Apitz To: Waitman Gobble Message-ID: <20120825185026.GA1144@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <5038F1A5.5040109@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 82.113.121.193 Cc: Alexander Kapshuk , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: built-in mic configuration [compaq presario laptop] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:50:29 -0000 El día Saturday, August 25, 2012 a las 09:26:44AM -0700, Waitman Gobble escribió: > Hi, > > you need to specify the device, take a look at > > # ls /dev/dsp* > /dev/dsp0.0 /dev/dsp0.1 /dev/dsp1.0 /dev/dsp2.0 /dev/dsp2.1 > > for example, i can send audio output to headphone jack: > # mplayer -zoom -x 1280 -y 720 -fs -ao oss:/dev/dsp1 -mixer /dev/mixer2 > /path/to/file For tests you might even record and playback the recorded with, for example: # dd if=/dev/dsp0 of=/tmp/recorded # cat /tmp/recorded > /dev/dsp0 > Haven't tried skype on FreeBSD but there should be a device setting. I've > noticed that some machines seem to automatically switch, ie when I plug in > headphones to the headphone jack or a mic into a microphone jack it "just > works". But other machines don't work automatically and I have to set the > device manually as above. A simple way, you can try setting each device to > see which one works. :) yes, Skype allows to configure this even on top of the emulation of Linux; I do it all days matthias -- Matthias Apitz e - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 18:56:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33EC106566B for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdunham@texas.net) Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A0F088FC16 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 18:56:33 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 18:55:33 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.97] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 18:55:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2012 18:55:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 822072.61651.bm@omp1002.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 60204 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2012 18:55:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1345920933; bh=jaJtWqtnW8zNrwQq8IHOSdJ7phPGPiIoyCRs1ejMZnY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:From:To:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:Reply-to:Message-ID:X-Confirm-Reading-To:X-pmrqc:Priority:In-reply-to:References:X-mailer:Content-type; b=Cx0tIqwToOomVvV3dIzBPQLzP22r8FE8RVDOHQFMco+E+n1WFL66UTC9skDCPcyB1wVbzXxi4qhEPheLZOb58znhwKxrVva3qlCG3d6La/+Tpe+mUoJRfAHTQvEttjdtMrDKxgPa0WlhDNjqBSZk56nDz5iGJ/ldQmIZCc6O504= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: NFarek8VM1k0aNis8IR2ir2i_eYZ_V9Kgv2.1e05OCnvCLq BnWN2Da8hqHsuIA0oxVgI3hHu9MPgTlkJjIS238UK_Kcy4u6Ys7tAiGBQQ05 bwAdJCFZHel6hmxtAY2h0Bk4iq21tjkg8DZw3ZO08hfWif_PbcKCpsDpM0BT yl6fvzdteYi63uIR8x9RBjf1AQJ4O3MuYfzJBMf6tVEMSkSfZp7QPdnpfbR. 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[[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jdunham@texas.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:56:40 -0000 On 25 Aug 2012 at 11:28, Gary Kline wrote: > tx for the datapoint. Datapoint is a computer company, and "TX" is correct, since it's in San Antonio. We marketed the first personal computer, the Datapoint 2200. (That will likely start an argument, though it wasn't really intended to.) -- Jerry Dunham Moderator, Texas Great Dane Rescue jdunham@texas.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 20:46:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB0C106566B for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A338FC1E for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbbgg13 with SMTP id gg13so2108154lbb.13 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:46:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KYqbHwDIe/jOdcQ2LZNJzCSsYobjX2FmhlZUTiTzR5o=; b=bmwcEjGCpUQo/5NANW4xErJsxezoH0oMSKbpcBtXDrj9qhXVCvBZK8V4IwTJRVinqI Wyn3LW5AOaRfnCCxq2pMD03Yswk7bYlmEXtAIw/Legvh5iP6u+sGUmX0MbgiaHkzjVfW nVLnRJr3k3StbcbaWUTF3znQVFYBXzIym97/p2a2J4DTgnvbXlh8m3Ts7ACsBxV5fhO6 /ZpQhfRLNchkl5/vbPf9cei8WUeFcfef2eFrxN55TnOoaDreg0n2fEpqdAG/U2rxrlwr eGMOI44pcch4MdJSVZDd+qhygf3/VfFBWsasMl/aBSf5ax4ay54b2S5u26ZIQyPZH8JQ H5wA== Received: by 10.112.82.66 with SMTP id g2mr4455800lby.15.1345927577112; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (93-127-96-97.static.vega-ua.net. [93.127.96.97]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u10sm3449290lbf.11.2012.08.25.13.46.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50393997.4090703@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 23:46:15 +0300 From: Alexander Kapshuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20120726 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Apitz References: <5038F1A5.5040109@gmail.com> <20120825185026.GA1144@tiny.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20120825185026.GA1144@tiny.Sisis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions , Waitman Gobble Subject: Re: built-in mic configuration [compaq presario laptop] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:46:18 -0000 On 08/25/2012 09:50 PM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > For tests you might even record and playback the recorded with, for > example: > > # dd if=/dev/dsp0 of=/tmp/recorded > # cat /tmp/recorded> /dev/dsp0 > > Thanks. I'll fiddle with that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 23:10:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D19B106564A for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 23:10:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078AD8FC15 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 23:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbfm10 with SMTP id fm10so2743126wgb.1 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:10:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TEZDLIhloITBIXfI/aHsEaq3Gz18FvhyvEw6SMjwmaI=; b=DeEqZi3hzy1IDhnCNX0PV0a7OesfFo1RVWMNpCMofRcGWQ7B+3vI2ENP+lk0DM/9RY ma/rJeuS4d/OqvD3DxCvic3i9yygf7ovFbRmCBpIPgRxde67d2AAOXB+hrtk92p/j01n 6kUUwD2Gnb/Xi0IFm2KtbaFh1bX4iNKGk2CU5pZYsiTCg3shnh7S/OU1dBuSC7Os2T13 26HIlGW76jT/9wQ9k/cZAkxGyDNKLzNgW10Rsmn8/zQqkQe+sdAkZwiYPiZCUS24cwth e6dZUscZu1OJ6mRyW0azxuCpxPcma6tk/2WeGqoPwhxqGUur573oaJYyC6UfJZ2ldt/i Gfcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.100.35 with SMTP id ev3mr14687245wib.7.1345936246297; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.190.153 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.190.153 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:10:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120825182832.GA7192@thought.org> References: <20120825005250.GA20264@thought.org> <20120825182832.GA7192@thought.org> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:10:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: Waitman Gobble To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 23:10:53 -0000 On Aug 25, 2012 11:28 AM, "Gary Kline" wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 09:05:39AM -0700, Waitman Gobble wrote: > > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:05:39 -0700 > > From: Waitman Gobble > > Subject: Re: AAAARRRgghhh-h-h. [[tooo tired]] > > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > > > been here the whole day since around 09.00. one question since the > > > guy who did my kvm switch used too-short cables----they were ~4ft > > > instead of 6. my question: Do any of you know if I can just buy > > > kvm cables... of say 6ft? it's a trendnet TK-409K. > > > > > > > > > #2:: I have no idea how a USB port could burn out, but that's what > > > the tech found. anybody care to reply to either point?? > > > > > > tx very tmuch > > > > > > -- > > > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service > > > Unix > > > Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > I don't recall a burn-out issue like that with a USB port, except maybe on > > a notebook one time.. but I've recently seen some mobo mfgs advertising > > 'ESD resistant USB ports'. So I suppose that's been an issue... > > > > Waitman Gobble > > San Jose California USA > > > tx for the datapoint. a friend in Dallas thinks the USB > ports are good and that it's a cabling isssue. the tech is > self-taught. that might be as good a way of learning about > computer hardware... . > > I may not have to buy a new/refurb computer. the tech is > thinking of coming back tomorrow {sunday} to make sure about > the cables. he inserted the USB plugs *by feel*. blew me > away. > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. > The hard stuff is like "don't sweat on the motherboard" and "capacitors can shock you". The rest is pretty easy to learn, I think. Waitman Gobble San Jose California