From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 11 05:36:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD841BDE for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 05:36:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baerks@t-online.de) Received: from mailout10.t-online.de (mailout10.t-online.de [194.25.134.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739DA8FC08 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 05:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de (fwd03.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout10.t-online.de with smtp id 1TXPwt-0005L0-49; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:19:11 +0100 Received: from amd.mersam.homelinux.org (TtyJpZZcwhFtUk1sfsjAtUX6xR8sfyB0F6+DinN2zDQZpkBs+P+pwMDZl3LEZ44wWZ@[91.53.91.155]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1TXPwq-2DDP600; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:19:08 +0100 Received: from amd.catfish.ddns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amd.mersam.homelinux.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAB5JHrr086492; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:19:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from monkel@amd.catfish.ddns.org) Received: (from monkel@localhost) by amd.catfish.ddns.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qAB5JEPe086491; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:19:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from monkel) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:19:12 +0100 From: Sabine Baer To: T K , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serendipity Web Site s9y.org Message-ID: <20121111051912.GC38666@amd.catfish.ddns.org> Mail-Followup-To: T K , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20121109074713.GB38666@amd.catfish.ddns.org> <509D23AD.2090907@smsdsite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <509D23AD.2090907@smsdsite.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-ID: TtyJpZZcwhFtUk1sfsjAtUX6xR8sfyB0F6+DinN2zDQZpkBs+P+pwMDZl3LEZ44wWZ X-TOI-MSGID: 9b1f1521-feaa-41ea-8a2a-cd8c696766fd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 05:36:01 -0000 On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 10:39:25AM -0500, T K wrote: [...] > I run an instance of serendipity software at: www.serendipity35.net. > I'm not having any trouble getting to http://s9y.org/ Thank You. Now I can get s9y.org without any trouble. I haven't any clue what the reason of the phenomenon was, it's corrected. Sabine -- In a world without fences and walls, who needs windows and gates? (N.N.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 11 11:30:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3474BF2 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:30:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nanatsu.74@i.softbank.jp) Received: from icmta207.i.softbank.jp (imta207.mailsv.softbank.jp [126.240.66.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFB68FC17 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from iemsa1002.i.softbank.jp by icmsa1002.i.softbank.jp with ESMTP id <20121111112225897.YTSW.31166.icmsa1002.i.softbank.jp@icmsa1002.mailsv.softbank.jp>; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:22:25 +0900 Received: from [192.168.4.214] ([126.250.22.148] [126.250.22.148]) by iemsa1002.i.softbank.jp with ESMTP id <20121111112225824.PIPN.17344.iemsa1002.i.softbank.jp@iemsa1002.mailsv.softbank.jp>; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:22:25 +0900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "nanatsu.74@i.softbank.jp" Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:22:26 +0900 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) X-SB-Service: Virus-Checked X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:30:11 -0000 $B$+(B iPhone$B$+$iAw?.(B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 11 16:40:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F75AA6 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:40:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F08FC98 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP452 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s27.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:39:45 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [14.97.111.107] X-EIP: [nBjEUoFnnoqGnKRbcclU4v6lK6HbJwaw] X-Originating-Email: [bourne.identity@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([14.97.111.107]) by BLU0-SMTP452.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 08:39:43 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 22:09:09 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Facing a strange problem with Boot Manager References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2012 16:39:45.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[2809A5A0:01CDC02B] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:40:56 -0000 Hi, I have never had a problem with dual-booting Win XP and FreeBSD before. Generally, I install XP first and FreeBSD second, putting the Boot Manager to the MBR. Recently, my hard disk started wobbling and I had to replace it with a new Western Digital SATA drive. When all installation work finished, FreeBSD would boot when I press F2 but pressing F1 would fail to boot XP with the error : "A disk read error occurred. Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot" Can anybody suggest what might be the problem and any possible solution ? For the current time, I reversed the installation order and installed FreeBSD first. I saved the FFS slice's boot sector on a USB pendrive and then installed XP. So, for the time being, I have to use the Windows bootloader to boot FreeBSD by adding an entry for it boot.ini My disk layout is as follows : ad8s1 - NTFS ad8s2 - FFS ad8s3 - Extended (with ad8s5/NTFS as the only logical drive within it) Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you & -- Regards, Manish Jain bourne.identity@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 11 18:08:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99F02B8A for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:08:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lucian@lastdot.org) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A878D8FC14 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id wc20so6971415obb.13 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:08:05 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=+8cQWmb6ROqcyhNxNP4Zo7+iCjcmuPdBbmzHLWhMf1k=; b=KS6jXP9Ph8dtZC1Ra5KcPv3nStxAgkDavCb9q32PgK0IJMVjA41DlZsIi/mdGhORPy xpVzrok68TRlChzMQ0IWDsSO43zhBmmZ8bOV3TCMbTU3knCrKH8pqkvWfBex9OBzgKpL aUHhBcrfhFtj1pe5LsHWwwjd1Ycgka3xzHptYOqImtvIb5MeB7YB5m/P+5tEsXGcei+S ChwpcCsXkofSZHOm0WSgpcGh7OsTbaMgoVT4hT14Uo2IiaqbLvmNBpXUr9cTTig0g9+9 I1eZn83LDtCfaJkZD3SIoRTkoJi2swe7krRUk9RKntAWuO0JXZu4JRmWimZePAV5kFAx v1CQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.26.38 with SMTP id i6mr1598349oeg.23.1352657285562; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.114.101 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:08:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121111051912.GC38666@amd.catfish.ddns.org> References: <20121109074713.GB38666@amd.catfish.ddns.org> <509D23AD.2090907@smsdsite.com> <20121111051912.GC38666@amd.catfish.ddns.org> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:08:05 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: serendipity Web Site s9y.org From: Lucian To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlzfZCrVzFocrIWrVRpPr9q0kHN9JlcdMiUy1N5sHP6dB7F1XubwLvuK4O1CT1mwHZdfdSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:08:07 -0000 On 11 November 2012 05:19, Sabine Baer wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 10:39:25AM -0500, T K wrote: > > [...] > >> I run an instance of serendipity software at: www.serendipity35.net. >> I'm not having any trouble getting to http://s9y.org/ > > Thank You. Now I can get s9y.org without any trouble. I haven't any > clue what the reason of the phenomenon was, it's corrected. > > Sabine Maybe it was something like this http://manurevah.com/blah/en/blog/DNS-Hijacking-via-Barefruit-Talktalk-and-Others From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 11 21:04:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315D074D for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8C48FC08 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id qABL5BFb049050; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:05:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:05:11 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201211112105.qABL5BFb049050@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: bourne.identity@hotmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Facing a strange problem with Boot Manager In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:04:42 -0000 > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 22:09:09 +0530 > From: Manish Jain > Subject: Facing a strange problem with Boot Manager > .... > > When all installation work finished, FreeBSD would boot when I press F2 > but pressing F1 would fail to boot XP with the error : > > "A disk read error occurred. Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot" > > Can anybody suggest what might be the problem and any possible solution ? > No help on a fix. i'm fighting that exact problem on a FreeBSD 8.3 install on a 2nd sata drive with xp pro on the 1st drive. installed strictly to the 2nd drive -- would select in bios which to boot from. booting fbsd works fine. attempting to boot th XP drive gives the above error. Apparently the 8.3 install trashed something on the XP drive. :(( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 11 21:30:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3CEA67 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from productive.businesstools@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F318FC13 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id bi1so4042391pad.13 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:30:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:reply-to:date:mime-version :disposition-notification-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dATp1TnkBGT+vjb9mddAEou79DHkgCt80etPYew7rxw=; b=F4k1hv5y/wBqNIALO7zi2a7QqyIcQYFdJI+Q+MiD/jbfqCcUgk9Vv2yBunDgQghOW7 kTqLxNHSIFe4u0Wv/AHCYRPCYY9z5ZbAais9/4FmuGKudRaoVPOZ8drfEWg+MYDqEnDb oDWPHimuFqgzQvwy4wa2Mh1chrlJhxr10/uyU4IsbJY51WdfFNyWMJeKCC+eJKnCngy4 cqK7/3KG+zzkiaae4fh1xmKPmALzRz1bgGEIpWz9OrwoLGvgHzMnaYf+sM1dbqLJhiN8 8x41wQZMJDTWedqZnYVX+OFflM/kFeNlNeZxj674lxNt14OZSzZEhsCWYi+YgBHr8Ati RXPQ== Received: by 10.68.209.133 with SMTP id mm5mr11354506pbc.42.1352669420864; Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmail.com ([27.4.149.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oi2sm2996505pbb.62.2012.11.11.13.30.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:30:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50a018ec.0283440a.46e8.ffffd129@mx.google.com> From: "Krish Shah" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: An Email Sending Program (11th November 2012 MN) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 03:00:20 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: hostingheights@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:30:21 -0000 Dear Freebsd Questions, e-BizMail An Email Sending Software Special Features: Personalized Mailing Director Mailer Mailing Groups Scheduled Mailing HTML/Text support Pictures Attachments Unsubscribe Link Delivery Reports Read Receipt Request Email Priority Import .XLS/.CSV files Export .XLS/.CSV files Remove Duplicate IDs System Requirements: CPU: P4 and above RAM: 256 and above Hard Disk: 1GB (Free) OS: Windows XP/Winows7 Save The Environment Print only if its required. What is e-BizMail Software? e-BizMail is an Electronic Business Mail sending software, by using e-BizMail software your mails will go automatically one by one to the recipient, since this is a personalized mailing system it gives better response. You can use e-BizMail software to send your Newsletters, Greetings, Special Announcements etc. How Mails are sent from e-BizMail software? With e-BizMail software your mails will go individually to the recipient with email list created by you. It will not go using CC or BCC method, so user will feel that its specially sent to him/her it is 100% personalized and hence it gives better response. How does it work? e-BizMail is a very user friendly software. You can start sending mails just in 3 simple steps. Start sending mails without worrying about whom you have sent and to whom you forgot to send. e-BizMail will remember the recipients whom you have already sent mails, those recipients Email IDs which got failed in earlier attempt etc. You can also schedule your mails so that your mailing will start automatically on a specified time. There is also an auto Turn off computer facility so your Computer will shut down automatically when your mailing is over. What's special in e-BizMail software? e-BizMail software supports HTML mails, it would be more attractive and faster, you will also have the delivery status report which will tell how many mails you have attempted, sent, failed etc. with date wise listing. e-BizMail software provides a very important feature which will remove the user's Email Address from your mailing list by simply clicking a link provided on your mailer, this saves your time and also keeps your mailing list updated. Another important feature of e-BizMail software is the Direct Mailer, where you can type in your message directly and also use HTML templates, so that you don't have to type again and again the common matter that you send regularly. Krish Shah To unsubscribe your email id from our mailing list, send us an email with subject line unsubscribe. 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[184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uj6sm4828319igb.4.2012.11.11.15.10.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:10:26 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: gfc-afc-volume-mon Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:10:16 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RC3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201211111710.16807.lumiwa@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:10:34 -0000 Hi! I use FreeBSD 9.1-RC3 #0 r242324 mnow. After updtae from 9.1-RC2 to RC3 I have a problem with GIMP which start more slow than before and top shows me: THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 3 102 0 44176K 9256K CPU1 0 1:11 100.00% gvfs-afc-volume-mon Firefox and Inkscape wok same as before and gvfs-* doesn't show. Thank you. Mitja -------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 00:39:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AC2306 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandermark@hushmail.me) Received: from ts1-020.wnpg.interhop.net (ts1-020.wnpg.interhop.net [165.154.32.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A188FC12 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:39:11 +0000 (UTC) From: "Brander Mark L" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Biblical 'Signs' Appearing! Return Of Jesus, Marriage Supper Imminent! X-Mailer: Smart_Send_2_0_132 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:39:10 -0500 Message-ID: <11801952908081583212926@LENOVO-3C887B0D> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: brandermark@hushmail.me List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 00:39:17 -0000 The 'biblical signs' Jesus spoke of are appearing in the skies and are now being photographed in many different locations around the world. I have compiled many photographs and posted some extraordinary prophecy about what is taking place. Visit my blog [1]http://markbrander.blog.com to view them, you are going to be astounded. 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For, I have now released very great numbers of My holy seed into the bodies, into the spirits and into the souls of My Faithful! I have imparted these holy seeds into My 144,000 elect, but also to some few others, whom I have so chosen! For, this has been My great blessing to some, who have been faithful to you and faithful to these works, who are not part of the 144,000. Do you remember the marriage invitation, which I gave to you? Then, know, My Blessed Child, that I must also make ready all of those, who have believed and who have truly wanted to attend this wedding, as wedding guests. So, My Little One, I must raise up some pearls and make them spiritually ready to attend this wedding. And, in order to do so, I have already chosen some to receive this holy seed, that they may be made spiritually ready to enter in through the passageway of fire. You see, My Little One, and you know well, that I am a God of great mysteries. I laid out the wedding invitation before the people, a sincere and true offer on My part, but the one key to being a wedding guest has been the presence of a simple faith, a simple trust in Me. But, My Child, most have thrown away the wedding invitation. Most have forgotten about the wedding invitation, but a few still hold onto this invitation and they long to attend this wedding; for they believe! But, My Little One, these numbers are few; and I promised you that I would take the greatest numbers possible to this wedding as wedding guests. Therefore, I now extend this offer once more, and only once more. Therefore, at the end of this message, post once again the wedding invitation. For, this is My great gift of love for those, who are able to believe and to receive these truths. I have not given this invitation in vain, but in truth; and I honor My words in My offer through this wedding invitation. For, this is My promise to you, My Blessed Child, and I will keep My promises. Blessed Saviour, as I type this message, this day being the 18th day of August, I have some questions about these wedding guests. My Lord, must all, who enter into this passageway of light and fire have the holy seed within them? My Lord, in years past, you carried me into the light and I stood in Your wonderful light; and I did not yet have the holy seed. So, I do wonder about how that was and how this will be. You do well to wonder, my Blessed Child; for there are three different levels among these wedding guests: 1. Those, who have the holy seed; 2. Those, who do not have the holy seed, but who have clean hearts, and have lived worthy to go into the light; 3. and, those, who have not lived worthy to go into the light, but at the very last minute, they are changed through My divine intervention and made ready to go into the light. And, because of these three distinctions, these three different types of wedding guests will take their different places at this wedding. See? Yes, my Lord; and thank You so very much for explaining these important truths to me. Praises to Your Holy Name! An Open Invitation! To A Spectacular And Timely, Heavenly Event! Our Father in Heaven Speaks! Receive, Believe And Ask! My Blessed Child, I am your Father Yahweh, yea Jehovah, Most High God; and I come to you today to impart to you a message of My great love, of My great mercy and of My great grace! My Little One, few know, or believe, that you, Linda Newkirk, the same Linda Newkirk of Mayflower, Arkansas, are the Woman of Revelation Chapter Twelve! And, few know how you have labored, how you have travailed, how you have suffered, and how you have often wept beneath the weight of unspeakable persecution! And, all for the love of Me, for the love of My Son and for the love of humanity! Yes, few know, and of those who know, few believe! For your trials have been so great as you have travailed beneath the feet of Satan and all of his demonic hoards! Oh yes, you have travailed to bring forth My holy seed! A tiny seed indeed when it was given to you; but at this time, it has been maturing in your body for more than seventeen months! And, during this time, it has been growing in strength, power, and stature until it is, for a certainty, now a "manchild!" And, soon, oh so soon, it will be birthed back to My throne! But, not without you; for he is a part of you! My Child, I have told you that, as the Woman of Revelation Twelve, you are the spiritual mother of My Kingdom! What grows in you is My Kingdom Seed! It is also the seed of My Son, Jesus, who is Saviour of Humanity! All, who marry Him, will receive this seed! All, who come into My Kingdom, to work in My service, and to be a part of My Kingdom, the queens, the kings and all others, must receive this seed! None will be a part of My Kingdom, who do not have this seed! My Little One, as I have told you, soon and oh so soon, I will take you and My "manchild," my now-matured holy seed, back to My throne! And, what awaits you in heaven is most surely the second greatest celebration ever to take place in heaven, the first being when My Son returned after He was crucified! Now comes another grand celebration in Heaven and in some ways, perhaps in many ways, it is even more grand than when My Son returned, but not in all ways! For this celebration, this marriage to My Son, will go on for some time; with you, My Little One, being the first to marry Him, your marriage to Him coming through the now-matured holy seed of My Son! For, you are the spiritual mother of My Kingdom, the very one, who has birthed the holy seed into the earth, which is now a manchild! My Little One, you have so often wanted these works to be finished! So often you have sought this; for you have wanted an end to the constant persecution, which is directed at you! But, you have not wanted to leave this Earth and to come into Heaven without your faithful friends! In fact, My Little One, your cries have continually come before My throne, wherein you have repeatedly asked that all "clean" souls be allowed to come with you and the manchild when you come to My throne! And, yes, My Child, I shall grant this request, but in an even greater way than what you ask! Surely, I will now give the grace, great grace to you, that when I come for you and the manchild, I will also take those, have been your faithful friends. But, My Little One, I extend more, and I extend it to those, who are on the streets, who are in the highways and the bi-ways! Even if they do not know if Revelation Chapter Twelve is true; and even if they do not know a thing about what you have been through, if they ask of Me with a sincere heart and a humble heart to come, I will allow many of them to come with you, even total strangers! I will answer the calls of many, even those, who are lost and who sleep under the bridges! Yes, I offer to them now a grand trip to heaven, a trip to behold the wedding of the ages, a chance to be a part of something so grand, that all of heaven is daily in great anticipation! And, this wedding, My Little One, is the wedding of My Son, as He first weds you, the spiritual mother of My Kingdom in the Earth!! Oh, yes soon, and oh so soon, you will have paid your price, your great price indeed, to birth My Kingdom into the Earth! And, all subsequent marriages to My Son could only come about because you have paid the price! If you have not paid the price to birth My Kingdom into the Earth, I would have no Kingdom in the Earth! And, soon, oh so soon, I shall so greatly reward you! For, you will marry My Son first and all will soon know that you are the woman, who bears the crown with twelve stars, the true Queen of Heaven, indeed! Now, my Little One, I open up My invitation to this wedding, not only to your faithful friends, but to all, who truly wish to come, who can truly believe and truly ask! And, while I now allow you to post this on the Internet as a public invitation, I now call up others, who see and know the truth of what I write, to copy this message into printed form and to take it and to distribute it into the streets, wherever they live. Some may need to translate this message into their own language! And, I call you now! I call you from the continents; and I call you from the islands to take this message, to copy it into printed form and to widely distribute it to those in the streets, where you live! I now invite anyone, who can receive the truth of what I tell you and who can believe, thereafter asking with a sincere heart, to be a guest at this most grand of weddings in heaven! Oh, yes, this is true! This is real! And, this invitation is not being sent directly to the churches! This is not My desire; for they have overwhelmingly spurned these works of Revelation Twelve! My invitation now goes into the streets and I call forth My workers, the sincere of heart, those, who also wish to be a part of this grand wedding, to come forth now! I call you to come forth and to copy this message and to take it into the streets, take it into the jails! Take it into the villages! Take it into the highways and the bi-ways; to make haste! For, this wedding is soon, oh so soon, not many weeks away! Though many of My own have rejected these works, and are thereby unworthy to come, many others will not reject this invitation, but will shout with glee! For, they will hold dear what I now give so freely!! Oh, yes this is unexpected! All that I give now is unexpected! But, oh so soon, many will get a trip into heaven, which will forever change them! And, they will see the very first wedding, ever, in heaven, the wedding of My chosen, daughter, Linda Newkirk, the Woman of Revelation Twelve, to My Son! Thereafter, Linda Newkirk will begin her work as the Queen of Heaven, my Son's very own queen; and as such will bear much power in Heaven and in the Earth! All, who take seriously this invitation, and who come to Me in prayer, truly believing and truly asking to go, will indeed be received as guests of this grand heavenly event! And, yes, even some of these will be evil! For, first, I am a God of great love, of great mercy and grace! And, through this invitation of love, many will be forever changed! My Beloved Child, type this and get this posted on the Internet soon! I will touch the hearts of many, who read this message, that they copy it onto paper and distribute it into the streets, where they live! Come, Oh you nations! Receive what I freely offer! For, now My grace, My love, My righteousness, and My glory comes forth as you could neither have imagined, nor could have conceived in any way!! Glorious rewards now come to those, who believe! Witnessed, dictated and recorded this 3rd day of November, 2007 Linda Newkirk For more important prophecies about Revelation 12, the 'false rapture' the revealing of the Antichrist and the coming judgement of America, visit prophecies org References 1. http://markbrander.blog.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 01:14:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584E657A for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3D38FC0C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:14:12 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQEAJVMoFDLevdH/2dsb2JhbABEwBSESYIeAQEFOEEQCxgJDQEFAw8JAwIBAgFFBg0BBwEBiAW6ZYwVgx8BgyoDpj+DAoFK Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2012 11:44:10 +1030 Message-ID: <50A04B77.6050200@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:35:59 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121030 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajtiM Subject: Re: gfc-afc-volume-mon References: <201211111710.16807.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201211111710.16807.lumiwa@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:14:13 -0000 On 12/11/2012 09:40, ajtiM wrote: > Hi! > > I use FreeBSD 9.1-RC3 #0 r242324 mnow. After updtae from 9.1-RC2 to > RC3 I have a problem with GIMP which start more slow than before and > top shows me: > > > THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 3 102 0 > 44176K 9256K CPU1 0 1:11 100.00% gvfs-afc-volume-mon > > Firefox and Inkscape wok same as before and gvfs-* doesn't show. > I have been running 9.0 all year and have seen this issue but haven't gone as far as tracking down the cause of it hanging like that. I wondered if it may have an issue with zfs - I run a pure zfs system. While it will use 100% cpu and keep the disk busy I have tried letting it run for a few hours and it doesn't stop. It is gtk related - a lot of gtk/gnome apps trigger it when starting even xfce starts it on login, others will trigger/re-trigger when the open file dialog is used. My biggest concern is not knowing where it comes from - it is not listed in any packing list for installed ports. All the build logs from my tinderbox setup have no mention of it. Initially I setup a cron job to quit any instance of it every 2 minutes. Renaming it prevents it being started up and doesn't appear to give any critical errors, all I get is - GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: invoking IsSupported() failed for remote volume monitor with dbus name org.gtk.Private.AfcVolumeMonitor: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute program /usr/local/libexec/gvfs-afc-volume-monitor: No error: 0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 04:12:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE90C806 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc3-s13.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s13.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.88]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748928FC0C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP34 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:11:27 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [14.97.145.33] X-EIP: [vgpV660sGpmhqjzmadgpnJba1e+7N+2C] X-Originating-Email: [bourne.identity@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([14.97.145.33]) by BLU0-SMTP34.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:11:26 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:41:13 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120824 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: Facing a strange problem with Boot Manager References: <201211112105.qABL5BFb049050@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201211112105.qABL5BFb049050@mail.r-bonomi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2012 04:11:27.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[C914E7B0:01CDC08B] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:12:33 -0000 On 12-Nov-12 02:35, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 22:09:09 +0530 >> From: Manish Jain >> Subject: Facing a strange problem with Boot Manager >> > .... >> >> When all installation work finished, FreeBSD would boot when I press F2 >> but pressing F1 would fail to boot XP with the error : >> >> "A disk read error occurred. Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot" >> >> Can anybody suggest what might be the problem and any possible solution ? >> > > No help on a fix. i'm fighting that exact problem on a FreeBSD 8.3 > install on a 2nd sata drive with xp pro on the 1st drive. installed > strictly to the 2nd drive -- would select in bios which to boot from. > > booting fbsd works fine. > attempting to boot th XP drive gives the above error. > > Apparently the 8.3 install trashed something on the XP drive. :(( > > > > I am using FreeBSD 8.3 too (i386). When XP failed to boot, a wrote out a new boot sector to drive C: with recovery console's fixboot command, but it did not make a difference. Interestingly, when all seemed lost, I even ran fixmbr, which complained that it could not fix much as my system seemed "to be using a non-standard MBR". Never saw this problem before. Has the Boot Manager code/behavior changed in 8.X ? -- Regards, Manish Jain bourne.identity@hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 10:14:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EB9F46 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matrix@itlegion.ru) Received: from corpmail.itlegion.ru (corpmail.itlegion.ru [84.21.226.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91B1E8FC08 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21647 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2012 14:07:40 +0400 Received: from localhost-artem.itlegion.ru (HELO ?192.168.0.12?) (192.168.0.12) by 84.21.226.211 with SMTP; 12 Nov 2012 14:07:40 +0400 Message-ID: <50A0CA53.8050802@itlegion.ru> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:07:15 +0400 From: Artem Kuchin Organization: IT Legion User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Old file reappeared by itself Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:14:26 -0000 Hello! I think i saw things like this on this box in the past and i always=20 thought that i screwed up myself. Buy today i am sure it happened by itself and i have proof. First, config: # uname -a FreeBSD XXX 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #7: Tue Dec 27 20:43:27 GMT-4=20 2011 X@X:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/OMNI4 amd64 # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 2026030 552382 1311566 30% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev /dev/da0s1g 699765734 511489090 132295386 79% /hosts /dev/da0s1d 16244334 5562 14939226 0% /tmp /dev/da0s1f 20308398 8684136 9999592 46% /usr /dev/da0s1e 10154158 27062 9314764 0% /var devfs 1 1 0 100% /var/named/dev /hosts/hoster 699765734 511489090 132295386 79% /hosts/X1/hoster /hosts/hoster 699765734 511489090 132295386 79% /hosts/X2/hoster /hosts/hoster 699765734 511489090 132295386 79% /hosts/X3/hoster /hosts/hoster 699765734 511489090 132295386 79% /hosts/X4/hoster /usr/ports 20308398 8684136 9999592 46% /hosts/X1/usr/ports /usr/ports 20308398 8684136 9999592 46% /hosts/X2/usr/ports /usr/ports 20308398 8684136 9999592 46% /hosts/X3/usr/ports /usr/ports 20308398 8684136 9999592 46% /hosts/X4/usr/ports # tunefs -p /dev/da0s1a tunefs: POSIX.1e ACLs: (-a) disabled tunefs: NFSv4 ACLs: (-N) disabled tunefs: MAC multilabel: (-l) disabled tunefs: soft updates: (-n) disabled tunefs: gjournal: (-J) disabled tunefs: trim: (-t) disabled tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 2048 tunefs: average file size: (-f) 16384 tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s) 64 tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 8% tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time tunefs: volume label: (-L) # tunefs -p /dev/da0s1e tunefs: POSIX.1e ACLs: (-a) disabled tunefs: NFSv4 ACLs: (-N) disabled tunefs: MAC multilabel: (-l) disabled tunefs: soft updates: (-n) enabled tunefs: gjournal: (-J) disabled tunefs: trim: (-t) disabled tunefs: maximum blocks per file in a cylinder group: (-e) 2048 tunefs: average file size: (-f) 16384 tunefs: average number of files in a directory: (-s) 64 tunefs: minimum percentage of free space: (-m) 8% tunefs: optimization preference: (-o) time tunefs: volume label: (-L) Memory:16GB, CPU: 8cores XEON DISKS: RAID10 (4 disks) The machines runs 4 jails. Everything is in the jails except NAMED. Named is run on the root host (if i may say so) itself. There is a zone file there which i changed last week. Today in the morning i try to open a site and host name is not found. It = worked on friday. I went to see the the zone file. IT WAS DATED 2010 !!!! I open it and=20 the serial number is something like 201103021. I do all my serials using dates, so, while the = file date is 2010 the content is from 2011 and it sure does looks so. Then i go to secondary zone (slave) on another server and there i find=20 the zone from last week. I checked all logs and did not find anything special. The zone file=20 from 2010 just reappeared from nowhere kill all the new changes. As i said, i saw things like this in the past. It happened insides jails = and was related to files for web sites and i thought that i and someone else messed up. No i=20 think i saw the same thing. How, how the hell it is possible? Artem --=20 =F3 =D5=D7=C1=D6=C5=CE=C9=C5=CD, =E1=D2=D4=C5=CD =EB=D5=DE=C9=CE =EB=CF=CD=D0=C1=CE=C9=D1 "=E1=CA =F4=C9 =EC=C5=C7=C9=CF=CE" www.itlegion.ru www.hostilla.ru +7 (495) 232-0338 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 10:50:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61FD5A5; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F08E8FC13; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 16so4074270wgi.31 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:50:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=kSlHXICiUeafzHviBvWabfpkh2EavSHjEYlPgNar9J8=; b=y8+J6ZVuxbcKi8GnXYWi55+7+WTyEvfRr5pBSBpszT4vSAd3yiPXPSB81R+Q9RBqDg nSxxCTAacnhVBCdEU5nl1fUiqSdkeKrkQ4SXttieUlPNMPusaFn/rVj6wNi16D9+nHzT oGA4tZ/idwBTxkjt2TfCDnSDNdwZE/94fsMpoMxr6MQcer367RDVdljA6YPoQrk678wP 11zxvgCAS3O0kKYVq6YVBui8m+tqM8g59NlO75VXkhcfbZcfpGWn+4ZTZDzbWBUcUsY3 VKhbv+iZmRf2kNSKub5Qrzj2ajlyUt2uBjZ2Y6pT7AjYVtYbQmpAumDMtV64ueCEwX8B wpFQ== Received: by 10.216.204.139 with SMTP id h11mr7650868weo.128.1352717399916; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.dg (41-132-132-229.dsl.mweb.co.za. [41.132.132.229]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n2sm14017587wix.6.2012.11.12.02.49.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:49:58 -0800 (PST) From: David Naylor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.5.17 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:49:42 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.9.1; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4733308.u51fJPteNh"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201211121249.45888.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:50:01 -0000 --nextPart4733308.u51fJPteNh Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.5.17 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. T= he=20 packages for FreeBSD 10 use the pkgng [3] format. =20 Please read the installation messages, if you use the nVidia graphics drive= r,=20 for further information. =20 =46AQ =2D-- Q: wine: failed to initialize: / usr/local/lib32/wine/ntdll.dll.so: Undefin= ed symbol "_ThreadRuneLocale" A: This problem is specific to FreeBSD-9.0, please either stick with=20 wine-1.5.10 or update to a newer version of FreeBSD (-STABLE or 9.1). =20 Apologies for the inconvenience. =20 Q: Creating pkgng packages for FreeBSD-9 A: When there is no demand for FreeBSD-8 packages I'll create additional pk= gng=20 packages for FreeBSD-9. Since it is possible to install the existing pkg=20 packages in a pkgng environment (which I do) this is not a high priority. = =20 Q: Wine doesn't run (properly) with a clang built world A: Clang was compiling i386 on a 16-byte boundary while gcc was using a 4-b= yte=20 boundary. To fix, recompile world after ensuring your sources include=20 http://beta.freshbsd.org/commit/freebsd/r242835 or the relevant MFC. =20 Regards, David [1] MD5 (wine-1.5.x-freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.5.17,1.tbz) =3D=20 54065bf41dbb28ecd2c90baf6f7bf9a1 MD5 (wine-1.5.x-freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.5.17.1.txz) =3D=20 69b90dba97312cc5a8561c87d214e814 MD5 (wine-1.5.x-freebsd10/wine-fbsd64-1.5.17,1.txz) =3D=20 e040dc940bb6cfd821d10f086d78e72d [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 [3] http://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng --nextPart4733308.u51fJPteNh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlCg1EkACgkQUaaFgP9pFrIktACeNJhJ4/WhYjWAIhRVPP6TaHkI 8fcAnib9aTFmwgFyPPP30e7YEZOdfyIz =YrTz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4733308.u51fJPteNh-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 11:12:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1B744B for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC658FC08 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so11389196iea.13 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 03:12:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=qM/2GYP7/Yhjdrkle8ZxVPuLaerDTFzoXAJwwHQ2H5Q=; b=ZtuzmMeHuLlduQcxLC0d+0BtWTlGLhBsc7CUoy8j8XeE1lxJgE9VOMjRb/Gu1Hqy8P BVDTbQUkv6G6gnbsl1ad/YtJLll24Hp6zPyx/Kv//oAIOT839bu5mLZlidVrlSeV+1A3 xwovW5qFtjH4A4d+RaSHaYhqjhgvHMtRuy8MYtolGvQd5mnf2/sCPP3WQMmMaloa3d0J v/+QKvytF7D5hi0e9GlBUQkX94jjuZNJffO+gWIbCo3KOlQleqLGgBEYtX2ZqltbRebZ yS1njzDn31HB3qvEAJF7HsZVPANUatsyoEcFPkdPYYV/M45I8hA6Q847YYV8kZwBPJhd mdYQ== Received: by 10.50.236.101 with SMTP id ut5mr7449183igc.26.1352718776549; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 03:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hg2sm7915049igc.3.2012.11.12.03.12.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 03:12:55 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gfc-afc-volume-mon Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:12:47 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RC3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: <201211111710.16807.lumiwa@gmail.com> <50A04B77.6050200@ShaneWare.Biz> In-Reply-To: <50A04B77.6050200@ShaneWare.Biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201211120512.47363.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: Shane Ambler X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:12:57 -0000 On Sunday 11 November 2012 19:05:59 Shane Ambler wrote: > I have been running 9.0 all year and have seen this issue but haven't > gone as far as tracking down the cause of it hanging like that. I > wondered if it may have an issue with zfs - I run a pure zfs system. > I don't use zfs. Maybe is a bug? Mitja -------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 13:54:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2D7496 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A39F8FC12 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id gg13so1213161lbb.13 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=wKBh/O916wbZN31PiRNmfanpRXXU7v7xtKulIhjBAGU=; b=KJxTAf9hZcKuuE2VgwD4kiSF5kXOYWQAi9WUiSRX185k+74MXZ3m3vQ/QiBs/CzDbj d+n0wrSstNZrt8Llrc++0pNesrzdLIz6vadm4jdJNu33hfW/IWmXO6xz3OeoJ/peTpSH pzXnvDMeEvkSofWCk17PlJxekvqQJW4/Zc/0tou+UNORQiRVBFFbpu2PDv/bVbGagoE3 p1rY4isShybitafWL6tWIzSZxKQXxoDU7q9lmXjJ/5jLbmnfTSbZYfw7tW9P2JWKaXB6 UpG8HVwcKk2yU0ohn9kJ/bCEI14uDByltfyhxKbyBMB4l2o9uFDfgti4O4wGZD59erlX fGLw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.50.106 with SMTP id b10mr7928268lbo.122.1352728447467; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.144.65 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:54:07 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _VL998kvHRj1Rjledsoe7xreLng Message-ID: Subject: computing kern.maxfilesperproc and kern.maxfiles From: Rick Miller To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:54:09 -0000 Hi All, I just posted a blog about how kern.maxfilesperproc and kern.maxfiles are computed at http://blog.hostileadmin.com/2012/11/12/freebsd-computing-kern-maxfilesperproc-and-kern-maxfiles/ for anyone who may be interested... -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 14:46:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D61FBF5; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:46:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from srandall52@fastmail.fm) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F4B8FC0C; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.44]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB5F20915; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.160]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:46:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mesmtp; bh=kxMMa4Fmv2Mvw+ailg7Nv+th46M=; b=dKO8DcKIqtJcPuovyf C/ruuzfVIyu6MQXuUyICx3Si33+gxYX87QvscPwqRx1jII714c19FrgbSIQgmz7N DXNZhAvFJL6PLVm/of0zongIir+rvaDluZniQWcsu3Em8WHuVCxYXr1vjgejA9YZ +MqOWBbUlH++ky67VTDjkZpSk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :in-reply-to:references:reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=kxMMa4Fmv2Mvw+ailg7Nv+ th46M=; b=b3i/QfmD2a5Ny8N1X851Hs1POquSu+cPUKFy+LwLEOYkhOusL8Wnmw 61pLMNeWaHPySO+2TdpB/9sK2LfBaIKApKsr4EjuO4x0V90WeeQJFhGHstnQeRDW q7j9PQJtHkMlRihGfQYOEJFbsSoLXst7k9Z/70/xpG4QWPci+vBN8= X-Sasl-enc: k7q/d8zQ9v9hYczgGEnKDOufH/ukZMFSrYYViQCIWXNF 1352731613 Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [69.151.29.185]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 669138E0515; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:46:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:46:51 -0600 From: Steve Randall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gfc-afc-volume-mon Message-ID: <20121112084651.0e1af8e8@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <50A04B77.6050200@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <201211111710.16807.lumiwa@gmail.com> <50A04B77.6050200@ShaneWare.Biz> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.13; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:46:55 -0000 On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:35:59 +1030 Shane Ambler wrote: > On 12/11/2012 09:40, ajtiM wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I use FreeBSD 9.1-RC3 #0 r242324 mnow. After updtae from 9.1-RC2 to > > RC3 I have a problem with GIMP which start more slow than before and > > top shows me: > > > > > > THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 3 102 > > 0 44176K 9256K CPU1 0 1:11 100.00% gvfs-afc-volume-mon > > > > Firefox and Inkscape wok same as before and gvfs-* doesn't show. > > > > I have been running 9.0 all year and have seen this issue but haven't > gone as far as tracking down the cause of it hanging like that. I > wondered if it may have an issue with zfs - I run a pure zfs system. > > While it will use 100% cpu and keep the disk busy I have tried letting > it run for a few hours and it doesn't stop. > > It is gtk related - a lot of gtk/gnome apps trigger it when starting > even xfce starts it on login, others will trigger/re-trigger when the > open file dialog is used. A web search turns up a number of reports of exactly this same problem... on Linux. So, not a FreeBSD bug. > > My biggest concern is not knowing where it comes from - it is not > listed in any packing list for installed ports. All the build logs > from my tinderbox setup have no mention of it. This looks like another auto-configure bug. gvfs-afc-volume-monitor is built by devel/gvfs when the necessary library is present. It should either be exposed as a port option or else be explicitly disabled. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 14:56:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44540E33 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:56:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from otacilio.neto@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-ye0-f182.google.com (mail-ye0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F9F8FC0C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ye0-f182.google.com with SMTP id l8so1231516yen.13 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:55:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=4ssnoq8ECrrlSZikgyDcgE4+xickosy/qA5xjaQE8yU=; b=TnMTU2swpf+FKliFr9Q6G/Jzfio0I0k+AgoYacf/wXLyB/okdkE+KyYcvpYcq96QrS qocnNE6EcjMjl3AIPPWvxhzNOoRs3JaYHujOj0vMQUM6v3tCawZU8G4JHPDeMTTZJFSE epgOAimOA4R9bxJhl4oc0LOrLHBKh0HvZXh0dFLs36MwZOPNOe+V7w4iGT6kWy51V6nZ twY8Ws3wgnl5uIQrpQaF7aWRwhOWYMXcp+8ne8rmF5eReTsZ1Qo3V5pYMBoSuZeREmo/ PmFo8JjhkwkIQYuK4LMfO7Ld9FejOCDh9oUte19u8OwCZrPPUYa9hrl+0oFf4nbor6z8 xAHw== Received: by 10.236.134.112 with SMTP id r76mr19393984yhi.34.1352732154173; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([187.19.127.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h37sm6097867anm.10.2012.11.12.06.55.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:55:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50A10DF5.7010804@bsd.com.br> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:55:49 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Otac=EDlio?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120919 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gfc-afc-volume-mon References: <201211111710.16807.lumiwa@gmail.com> <50A04B77.6050200@ShaneWare.Biz> <20121112084651.0e1af8e8@fastmail.fm> In-Reply-To: <20121112084651.0e1af8e8@fastmail.fm> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQljA0qV9j6Fa266l52G4Wb2RF505iGe5GCelC6BWA049YI85PXqwu76KSCGNhoGyYuVxl+3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:56:01 -0000 On 12/11/2012 11:46, Steve Randall wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:35:59 +1030 > Shane Ambler wrote: > >> On 12/11/2012 09:40, ajtiM wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> I use FreeBSD 9.1-RC3 #0 r242324 mnow. After updtae from 9.1-RC2 to >>> RC3 I have a problem with GIMP which start more slow than before and >>> top shows me: >>> >>> >>> THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 3 102 >>> 0 44176K 9256K CPU1 0 1:11 100.00% gvfs-afc-volume-mon >>> >>> Firefox and Inkscape wok same as before and gvfs-* doesn't show. >>> >> >> I have been running 9.0 all year and have seen this issue but haven't >> gone as far as tracking down the cause of it hanging like that. I >> wondered if it may have an issue with zfs - I run a pure zfs system. >> >> While it will use 100% cpu and keep the disk busy I have tried letting >> it run for a few hours and it doesn't stop. >> >> It is gtk related - a lot of gtk/gnome apps trigger it when starting >> even xfce starts it on login, others will trigger/re-trigger when the >> open file dialog is used. > > A web search turns up a number of reports of exactly this same > problem... on Linux. So, not a FreeBSD bug. > > >> >> My biggest concern is not knowing where it comes from - it is not >> listed in any packing list for installed ports. All the build logs >> from my tinderbox setup have no mention of it. > > This looks like another auto-configure bug. gvfs-afc-volume-monitor is > built by devel/gvfs when the necessary library is present. It should > either be exposed as a port option or else be explicitly disabled. > _______________________________________________ I did this. This bug report reports this issue and a patch is attached. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=173267 When using this patch you must enable afc, compile, install and deinstall to remove files not list on pkg-plist. After that, you must disable afc and install the port. -Otacílio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 15:15:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE4B263 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A988FC19 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1TXvjc-0032qn-NM>; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:15:36 +0100 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1TXvjc-0000OY-Kw>; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:15:36 +0100 Message-ID: <50A11293.9010306@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:15:31 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121030 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Multiple SSID with WiFi adapter and hostapd? X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig5CA96962960729D07A2B96CF" X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:15:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig5CA96962960729D07A2B96CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a question for short (since I failed, possibly due to configuration inabilities of myself): is it possible to have multiple SSID on the very same WiFi hardware adapter (TP-Link Atheros based type)? Idea is, to have pseudo device wlan0 assigned to a SSID for the internal use and another SSID for guests, which is not allowed to access internal server infrastructure. I tried another pseudo device "wlan1" and configured it the very same way in /etc/hostapd.conf, but this failed= =2E Please set me CC/email me, I do not subscribe the list. 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From: Olivier Nicole To: "O. Hartmann" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:38:33 -0000 Olivier, > I have a question for short (since I failed, possibly due to > configuration inabilities of myself): is it possible to have multiple > SSID on the very same WiFi hardware adapter (TP-Link Atheros based > type)? Yes. DD-WRT does that very well. Bests, Olivier > Idea is, to have pseudo device wlan0 assigned to a SSID for the > internal use and another SSID for guests, which is not allowed to access > internal server infrastructure. I tried another pseudo device "wlan1" > and configured it the very same way in /etc/hostapd.conf, but this failed. > > Please set me CC/email me, I do not subscribe the list. > > > Thanks in advance and regards, > > oliver > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 21:04:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8664766C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:04:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402978FC13 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qACL4dM6024322 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A16467.6090406@dreamchaser.org> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:04:39 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: ports: deinstall-all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:04:39 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:04:47 -0000 Something pretty basic somewhere that I'm missing... "man ports" indicates the target "deinstall-all" will remove all installed ports. yet the target doesn't seem to exist: #cd /usr/ports #make deinstall-all make: don't know how to make deinstall-all. stop. This was prompted by the following when attempting to install emacs: ===> Checking if devel/pkgconf already installed ===> An older version of devel/pkgconf is already installed (pkg-config-0.25_1) You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly. If you really wish to overwrite the old port of devel/pkgconf without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER" in your environment or the "make install" command line. So I did: cd /usr/ports/devel/pkgconf make deinstall cd ../.. portupgrade devel/pkgconf cd devel/pkgconf make clean make make install ===> Installing for pkgconf-0.8.9 ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Checking if devel/pkgconf already installed ===> An older version of devel/pkgconf is already installed (pkg-config-0.25_1) You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly. If you really wish to overwrite the old port of devel/pkgconf without deleting it first, set the variable "FORCE_PKG_REGISTER" in your environment or the "make install" command line. Where to go from here? Why was pkgconf still installed? There are other packages dependent on it... is that the reason? If so, why no warning / info when I do the make deinstall? Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 22:51:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB1755A for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:51:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B1B8FC0C for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 16so4519630wgi.31 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:51:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j1gLTv7026KjZYiqGElfANMHvr5+ovXDI0pLBIsbH3o=; b=pkw9fV4eF+XJap14NCIPh2998/XTdRHHzbUqt/ulH60FX5FWUXIXKbAgdu5jZj/Lra PeaoUlYP9FrdweVNkNBKir2yNOMaUr7fBZPpjzYS9W2b8J3D+XsmAKVnKZhrXeqIk0eo 1SZ3o8bFaIDmp+ZFrX+82sIEATjTiR2mshKQI4ElwyU5QjPiw96CICF1wWC0EUDEu1Hc zhLuP4gsR6P6/iuTwooW8ksMANXK5lP7hMzAGT2HCdwmyydK9dsazpuTBJrXN5k/STfw sf/nabDX9p+jxBsakxZ/Q5TCEJl8F3xuCCa8uy5muPxayCfZFeWe/Ra0w1/hTjl9T7RU Xf0A== Received: by 10.180.95.201 with SMTP id dm9mr17270897wib.3.1352760665991; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id az2sm16452282wib.7.2012.11.12.14.51.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:51:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:51:03 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports: deinstall-all Message-ID: <20121112225103.6d78b2a1@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <50A16467.6090406@dreamchaser.org> References: <50A16467.6090406@dreamchaser.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:51:08 -0000 On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:04:39 -0700 Gary Aitken wrote: > Something pretty basic somewhere that I'm missing... > > "man ports" indicates the target "deinstall-all" will remove all > installed ports. That's not what the man page says. > yet the target doesn't seem to exist: > > #cd /usr/ports > #make deinstall-all > make: don't know how to make deinstall-all. stop. That's not what deinstall-all does, AFAIK it's a more thorough version of deinstall that will remove packages installed under different prefixes. > This was prompted by the following when attempting to install emacs: > > ===> Checking if devel/pkgconf already installed > ===> An older version of devel/pkgconf is already installed > (pkg-config-0.25_1) >... > > Where to go from here? > Why was pkgconf still installed? > There are other packages dependent on it... is that the reason? > If so, why no warning / info when I do the make deinstall? > Probably due to skipping UPDATING 20120726 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 23:27:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A06215 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D6A8FC08 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so12833691iea.13 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:27:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=AvwR3WA4iiquotjKVZDmhkd2LjUX93upQlNYjM+Cyao=; b=Kll/1C9PtWhvusLUiur/sRJ/PMlSKHOFulDrydKhgzvyN2wI+HuhQMkJEz4KjtQiII S6HdrbPXS7RPex8840LJyiDZuTHaeHLf1EdB+8wzXJlXV7FTnwS6iwVFvRDetO0uMMdA CF3OprFMcENPfR7+xRBVUJMxUg1kkW4cmnaRGp9kmQImJBOt7MRhJSRNxVb2HwcuJOE+ kMt+c9El9JQkyEX9kt4m70pLVi3dLpUx1116qRFO4iDwPAWZO5p/66vIltjvwWhHb4FH nHSr2UzNhVd3/i4AsGyZBYjYiLkErkRkuXfMlVuyJYkCDYMvGBaQDx7RmEEMNPvvP5H0 19Ug== Received: by 10.50.219.170 with SMTP id pp10mr9330926igc.53.1352762827828; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eo7sm7487033igc.12.2012.11.12.15.27.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:27:07 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: portsnap Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:26:58 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RC3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201211121726.58712.lumiwa@gmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:27:14 -0000 Hi! Is it something wrong with portsnap server or is something wrong with my system. When I run portsnap...: portsnap fetch update Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from your-org.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. Latest snapshot on server matches what we already have. No updates needed. Ports tree is already up to date. but on http://www.freshports.org/ are many new ports (I like update Sage). Thanks in advance. Mitja -------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 12 23:46:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD12161E for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graudeejs@yandex.ru) Received: from forward3h.mail.yandex.net (forward3h.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f05::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEE28FC12 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web16h.yandex.ru (web16h.yandex.ru [84.201.186.45]) by forward3h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id AB1F21361BC0; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:46:46 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web16h.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 952385980181; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:46:45 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1352764005; bh=PiK3NW4Tw4RFeEEP5+AZKzG6W++a4pVqUPUjt2Ri2gk=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Date; b=OlmsVInxNN1Y4kHacwz622kG911dKvngyT90RQo51v4b65bj/dDUgZ1XyDcjvCg6D xki0yN8Ey3l1ksiXVfPkr40PV7lHgHPesBilgA4ZytmuzCH45UTLcC6I50/oXE/Cad 89cLEPrjQgvnhiw0ZviRw/vtISFNED04ju4ddDmw= Received: from mpe-11-155.mpe.lv (mpe-11-155.mpe.lv [83.241.11.155]) by web16h.yandex.ru with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:46:44 +0400 From: Aldis Berjoza To: ajtiM , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <201211121726.58712.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <201211121726.58712.lumiwa@gmail.com> Subject: Re: portsnap MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <168921352764004@web16h.yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:46:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:46:49 -0000 13.11.2012, 01:27, "ajtiM" : > Hi! > > Is it something wrong with portsnap server or is something wrong with my > system. When I run portsnap...: > portsnap fetch update > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found. > Fetching snapshot tag from your-org.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. > Latest snapshot on server matches what we already have. > No updates needed. > Ports tree is already up to date. > > but on http://www.freshports.org/ are many new ports (I like update Sage). > > Thanks in advance. > > Mitja It takes some time for mirrors to catch up. -- Aldis Berjoza From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 00:13:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEF7F4A for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-f182.google.com (mail-ia0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA298FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x2so321095iad.13 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:13:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=dInHh6xlUtCbhF2HmM80zRrcnFqZe3z1LNlK7hceglk=; b=J0XdJgwZjiSm6qVazn1xVunNkfKMe7l13nJVzSzDNLZ9huoJPN7jTYPDBz2HrLq4PV 2RbHgEEObGx4PIglYZ9I6HkqIC7vTtcAX1pa7pjEpe2yKvhnIrXzHVf7yI9wrJsKUXAG IRXOHtdrkht+Z/fjcaYYhogbkqn9+JXmKmniisXnCYKe31XeIISpLn/peBywqIdCi9C5 M7a0UaB+ygQEWpbj7q8E8aLMV4T6M9G7NJaoJnPCwpXJPfrWfIgUyQe6+j584g1YaoiF g5G+b6ovxWyj4R0siaqP5dWH3IB5ODFHNmlHro2K6qZmMt5iyOnyu91Z4f68C0R/hPgY aE0g== Received: by 10.42.68.14 with SMTP id v14mr19684952ici.16.1352765610334; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l8sm7585489igo.13.2012.11.12.16.13.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: Aldis Berjoza Subject: Re: portsnap Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:13:20 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RC3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: <201211121726.58712.lumiwa@gmail.com> <168921352764004@web16h.yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <168921352764004@web16h.yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201211121813.20966.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:13:32 -0000 On Monday 12 November 2012 17:46:44 Aldis Berjoza wrote: > 13.11.2012, 01:27, "ajtiM" : > > Hi! > > > > Is it something wrong with portsnap server or is something wrong with my > > system. When I run portsnap...: > > portsnap fetch update > > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found. > > Fetching snapshot tag from your-org.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. > > Latest snapshot on server matches what we already have. > > No updates needed. > > Ports tree is already up to date. > > > > but on http://www.freshports.org/ are many new ports (I like update > > Sage). > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mitja > > It takes some time for mirrors to catch up. But is it about 12 hours okay (maybe more)? Thanks. 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Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24F78FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAD3piMQ025394 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A1C3D0.4090807@dreamchaser.org> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:51:44 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: changing a dependent jdk port out for an equivalent one Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:51:44 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:51:46 -0000 I've got diablo-jdk installed, and it is deprecated. openjdk6 and openjdk7 should be substitutable for diablo-jdk. Is there a way to swap the one out for the other? e.g. portmaster -e java/diablo-jdk portmaster java/openjdk7 and then a miracle occurs... I see in the ant makefile that run_depends is on java/jvmwrapper, which might somehow make that work. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 05:00:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B141B88 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99C98FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAD4sEUa049504 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:54:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAD4sEu0049501 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:54:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:54:14 -0500 (EST) From: doug To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: pkg_add and 9.1RC3 Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:54:15 -0500 (EST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: doug@safeport.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:00:33 -0000 Doing pkg_add in the normal way: pkg_add -r diffuse Error: Unable to get ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.1-release/Latest/diffuse.tbz: File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) To make it work: setenv PACKAGESITE ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9-stable/devel/ pkg_add -r diffuse-0.4.6_2 Is this just the way it is, or is there some magic to make it somewhat less tedious? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 05:19:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56772CDE for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:19:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F2D8FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805F224844; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:19:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAD5JMG1004670; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:19:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:19:22 +0100 From: Polytropon To: doug@safeport.com Subject: Re: pkg_add and 9.1RC3 Message-Id: <20121113061922.1782b004.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doug , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:19:33 -0000 On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:54:14 -0500 (EST), doug wrote: > Doing pkg_add in the normal way: > > pkg_add -r diffuse > Error: Unable to get > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9.1-release/Latest/diffuse.tbz: > File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) > > To make it work: > > setenv PACKAGESITE ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/amd64/packages-9-stable/devel/ > pkg_add -r diffuse-0.4.6_2 > > Is this just the way it is, or is there some magic to make it somewhat less > tedious? I think this behaviour is "intended": RC3 is the 3rd release candidate for 9.1-RELEASE. The candidate already reflects the correct access path for the binary installs via pkg_add. This path _will be_ correct as soon as 9.1 has been released. But as it it's not _yet_, the files are not present at the designated location. As 9.1-RC3 is "on the path" of 9-STABLE, your approach of accessing the STABLE-related access path looks valid. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 05:24:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD56DC0 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:24:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD168FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa08-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id NtMy1k0044XeM0101tMyyt; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:21:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:24:35 -0000 guys, hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get ssh working from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is running a flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the old, broken tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, linux is installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in. doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} anybody know what im NOT doing? gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 05:37:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47684EF5 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:37:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9688FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from X220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.203.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAD5b0bL003645; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:37:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:36:59 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121113123659.6b69313d@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:37:11 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800 Gary Kline wrote: > hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get you do not allow us some fun? > ssh working from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is > running a flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the > old, broken tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, > linux is installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back > in. > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string > like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} > > anybody know what im NOT doing? Proper setup? Firewall? inetd? It sounds like something very, very obvious. But I know how it feels if one cannot see the tiny thing. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 05:39:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A5EFAB for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FBE8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AE824956; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:39:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAD5drhv004769; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:39:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:39:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-Id: <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:39:53 -0000 On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > Anyway, linux is > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in. > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're using and is very different among the Linusi. The FreeBSD equivalent would be something like # /etc/rc.d/sshd start or putting sshd_enable="YES" into /etc/rc.conf to have this task at boot. Depending on what Linux you are using, this may be as easy as on FreeBSD... or overcomplicated, because "nobody needs this anyway". :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 05:47:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1070125 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7858C8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8697F5081B for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:47:40 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Advanced Format Drive ? Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:47:40 -0800 Message-ID: <85911.1352785660@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:47:42 -0000 OK, so I'm lazy. Guilty as charged. I started to do some googling around to try and find out what the meaning of this warning on the anti-static bag outside of my brand new 1TB hard drive might be, and what the implications might be for FreeBSD, but so far all I am finding is seemingly endless discussions on some of the mailing lists that seem to go on forever without ever reaching any definitive conclusion(s). So could someobody just give it to me straight and briefly? What's the bottom line here? What, if anything, do I have to do _differently_ than what I am accustomed to in order to put a good old fashioned MBR partition table on this thing, and then to create a slice #1 and then use bsdlabel to slice that up in turn into a set of UFS parititions? Is there _anything_ that I will have to do differently than I did for the last 20 drives I've used with FreeBSD over the last 10+ years? Note that I have _no_ intention to use ZFS. (I gather that there may perhaps be some issue with using ZFS together with "Advanced Format" drives.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 05:50:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C12221 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbc@bnrlabs.com) Received: from smtp3-g21.free.fr (smtp3-g21.free.fr [IPv6:2a01:e0c:1:1599::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC998FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.bnrlabs.com (unknown [82.224.61.5]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540E7A612F; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:50:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [172.20.96.112]) by mail.bnrlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8300346070; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:50:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50A1DFB1.8090300@bnrlabs.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:50:41 +0100 From: "Lucas B. Cohen" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:50:44 -0000 On 2012.11.13 06:22, Gary Kline wrote: > anybody know what im NOT doing? running sshd ? :) Have you installed it ? sshd is the server program, it is fairly independent from ssh, the client program. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 05:56:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90A037B for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A628FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D832440D; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:56:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAD5u2NM004827; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:56:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:56:02 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? Message-Id: <20121113065602.ee2310d7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <85911.1352785660@tristatelogic.com> References: <85911.1352785660@tristatelogic.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:56:04 -0000 On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:47:40 -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Is there _anything_ that I will have to do differently than I did for the > last 20 drives I've used with FreeBSD over the last 10+ years? As far as I know, the "old ways" still work as intended. I've been initalizing 1 TB and 1.5 TB disks the "old way", using sysinstall (to create a slice, then to create the partitions) and newfs (to format the 2nd data disk). So far, the disks are working for some years without trouble. Those are "normal" disks, not SSDs, purchased few years ago. The term "advanced format" is usually used for 4k-sectorized disks (in difference to "traditional" 512k sectors). You can find more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format The implication for FreeBSD is (and has been for some time) to align partitions "at a 4k border". If you create partition sizes as multiples of 4k, it should be fine. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 06:14:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9358DC26 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA9A8FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EB25081B for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:14:11 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <20121113065602.ee2310d7.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:14:11 -0800 Message-ID: <86166.1352787251@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:14:12 -0000 In message <20121113065602.ee2310d7.freebsd@edvax.de>, Polytropon wrote: >On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:47:40 -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> Is there _anything_ that I will have to do differently than I did for the >> last 20 drives I've used with FreeBSD over the last 10+ years? > >As far as I know, the "old ways" still work as intended. >I've been initalizing 1 TB and 1.5 TB disks the "old way", >using sysinstall (to create a slice, then to create the >partitions) and newfs (to format the 2nd data disk). So >far, the disks are working for some years without trouble. >Those are "normal" disks, not SSDs, purchased few years >ago. > >The term "advanced format" is usually used for 4k-sectorized >disks (in difference to "traditional" 512k sectors). > >You can find more here: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format > >The implication for FreeBSD is (and has been for some time) >to align partitions "at a 4k border". If you create partition >sizes as multiples of 4k, it should be fine. Thank you. Which "partitions" need to be aligned to the 4KB boundaries? The FreeBSD ones, the MBR ones, or both? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 06:30:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135DC330 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:30:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B2F8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665C024816; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:30:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAD6UUeJ004962; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:30:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:30:30 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? Message-Id: <20121113073030.87bc0608.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <86166.1352787251@tristatelogic.com> References: <20121113065602.ee2310d7.freebsd@edvax.de> <86166.1352787251@tristatelogic.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:30:32 -0000 On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:14:11 -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Which "partitions" need to be aligned to the 4KB boundaries? > The FreeBSD ones, the MBR ones, or both? The partitions, all of them. :-) For MBR partitions, the "DOS primary partitions", which are slices, you typically only need one if you want to stay in compatibility mode. For dedicated mode, you don't need it. The slice typically starts in sector 63 and occupies the space until the end of the device. The partitions within the slice should have sizes of multiples of 1 MB or 1 GB (which makes them multiples of 4k easily). See: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html Even though the handbook elaborates on the GPT approach, it will work with traditional disklabel partitioning too. Note that 4k = 8 x 512 byte, and so 64 sectors would be a good alignment "grid", while 63 sectors is not. That implies that in case you use fdisk to create a slice holding your partitions, try to make it start at sector 64 (63 would have been the default). After that, use bsdlabel to create the partitions inside the slice as you want. Make them multiples of 1M or 1G, that should be no big deal because disks are big and cheap today. :-) You can then easily use newfs with the -f parameter: newfs -U -f 4096 This will make sure the proper fragment size will be applied upon formatting the created partitions. Also see: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html As I have limited experience, anyone having more practical experience with this matter is welcome to comment. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 07:08:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0421957 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDDB8FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAD75KLH005998; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:05:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <50A1F06F.7080602@bananmonarki.se> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:02:07 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120929 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: ports: deinstall-all References: <50A16467.6090406@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <50A16467.6090406@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:08:49 -0000 2012-11-12 22:04, Gary Aitken skrev: > Something pretty basic somewhere that I'm missing... > > "man ports" indicates the target "deinstall-all" will remove all installed ports. > yet the target doesn't seem to exist: If you really want to remove all installed ports you can do as I do pkg_delete -f \* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 07:16:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C162BF5 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D068FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by m1plsmtpa01-07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id NvGN1k0044XeM0101vGN9H; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:16:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:16:23 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121113071623.GA3359@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113123659.6b69313d@X220.ovitrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121113123659.6b69313d@X220.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:16:28 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:36:59PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get > > you do not allow us some fun? > > > ssh working from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is > > running a flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the > > old, broken tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, > > linux is installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh > > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back > > in. > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string > > like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} > > > > anybody know what im NOT doing? > > Proper setup? > Firewall? > inetd? > > It sounds like something very, very obvious. But I know how it feels if > one cannot see the tiny thing. > > Erich hmmm. about the Only thing I havent tried is a "theraputic reboot." tomorrow. im tempted to hit the power button! I'l wait. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 07:59:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AACB6F for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:59:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF038FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id NvxL1k0054XeM0101vxLpD; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:57:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:59:58 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > Anyway, linux is > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in. > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing tao to ethic. > > The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're > using and is very different among the Linusi. rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had trouble with ssh, even with FBSD. > > The FreeBSD equivalent would be something like > > # /etc/rc.d/sshd start > > or putting sshd_enable="YES" into /etc/rc.conf to have this > task at boot. > > Depending on what Linux you are using, this may be as easy as > on FreeBSD... or overcomplicated, because "nobody needs this > anyway". :-) no mo' energy. I hear my bed singing sirens' songs:) 5 mins later: I ssh'd from tao to ethic then used the ssh-vvv for debug. Somewhere this string shoewd up. as noted, this is from OBSD: SSH2_MSG_IGNORE so if anybody running openbsd or fedora, or anybody who has stubbed his toe this way, give a hollar. S'All, gary > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 08:08:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF0DD53 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90C08FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D4F24B1B; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:08:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAD88CUG005694; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:08:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:08:12 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-Id: <20121113090812.97e1c6a1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:08:15 -0000 On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > Anyway, linux is > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my > > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in. > > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like > > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing > tao to ethic. The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that specific service (that has to be enabled). > > The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're > > using and is very different among the Linusi. > > rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had > trouble with ssh, even with FBSD. There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server set up on Fedora: http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 08:09:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C514EDD for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746398FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAD89FOA014850; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:09:15 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <50A2002B.9040003@qeng-ho.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:09:15 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121029 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? References: <20121113065602.ee2310d7.freebsd@edvax.de> <86166.1352787251@tristatelogic.com> <20121113073030.87bc0608.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121113073030.87bc0608.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:09:29 -0000 On 11/13/12 06:30, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:14:11 -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> Which "partitions" need to be aligned to the 4KB boundaries? >> The FreeBSD ones, the MBR ones, or both? > > The partitions, all of them. :-) > > For MBR partitions, the "DOS primary partitions", which are > slices, you typically only need one if you want to stay in > compatibility mode. For dedicated mode, you don't need it. > > The slice typically starts in sector 63 and occupies the > space until the end of the device. > > The partitions within the slice should have sizes of > multiples of 1 MB or 1 GB (which makes them multiples > of 4k easily). > > See: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html > > Even though the handbook elaborates on the GPT approach, it > will work with traditional disklabel partitioning too. > > Note that 4k = 8 x 512 byte, and so 64 sectors would be a > good alignment "grid", while 63 sectors is not. That implies > that in case you use fdisk to create a slice holding your > partitions, try to make it start at sector 64 (63 would > have been the default). > > After that, use bsdlabel to create the partitions inside > the slice as you want. Make them multiples of 1M or 1G, > that should be no big deal because disks are big and cheap > today. :-) > > You can then easily use newfs with the -f parameter: > > newfs -U -f 4096 > > This will make sure the proper fragment size will be applied > upon formatting the created partitions. > > Also see: > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html > > As I have limited experience, anyone having more practical > experience with this matter is welcome to comment. :-) According to the manual as of 9.0-RELEASE the default fragment and block sizes for newfs are 4k and 32k, so provided your partitions/slices are 4k aligned everything Should Just Work. Before 9.0 fragments and blocks were 2k and 16k which doesn't play so well with 4k drives. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 08:10:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D788BF3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C668FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from X220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.203.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAD8AZEW004432; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 01:10:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:10:42 -0000 Hi, On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800 Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > Anyway, linux is > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh > > > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh > > > back in. > > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a > > > string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards > > > or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from > > > OpenBSD.} > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to you wanted to say 'jawohl'? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 08:12:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E20528B for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC32F8FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E100424B1B; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:12:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAD8CtDB005740; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:12:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:12:55 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-Id: <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:12:56 -0000 On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh > > > > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh > > > > back in. > > > > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a > > > > string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards > > > > or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from > > > > OpenBSD.} > > > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'? Jawohl mein Herr! :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 10:23:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF3EC64 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:23:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from friedrich.locke@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D198FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id wz12so268761pbc.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:23:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vqRPvWA95Z7KMaSm4wRS0u5bvx54KwOzULMHCzV56V8=; b=iGzyJq/z+OvCy+yicc95tmt5c648rKemobfUxrGtLA7KPLDicmY1O+/Oy3MR6ytpVi rVwz3p/wl4FQoGF+IUUC2245p2wncDRTwhpprvz8ROBXzPkN4WoNJnxhpwJ2rIpVvTCF hEjeKfZMw4Jw+J9+iZ7pTmKHC1foBsv+S97SGoMKTz2AP+HpbYG461uE/W82p0mN7BkP ANKBtE1L2/v+GfntEDxBy2kISrf1gF0I19kpOvrVOdHW9E0b/yr1/PMpzQLpFtUvLLkU ObbXIAwvwDo41IyEN7/KbcFdEI1pMuuZ1vn/1cq8gEKBaHTIendfXadtJMGMG8DzheVl v/Eg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.192.66 with SMTP id he2mr65762106pbc.112.1352802218459; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.238.103 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:23:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:23:38 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: high performance server design approach From: Friedrich Locke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:23:39 -0000 Hi list members, i would like to be an http server for static content only. Due to this requirement, the server should be really simple to code. But another requirement is that i would like to best possible performance. I would like to have minimal context switches and have a single process serving as many connections as possible, i feel like going for kqueue. On a single processor system, no secret. But on a SMP system the history is different. I would like to have a http process per core. The question is which decision to make: 0) To have a single process "accepting" incoming connection on port 80 and send the new socket fd to one of the http server in a round-roubin manner, or 1) Have a httpd server started. Have it performed socket, bind, listen. Then it forks n-1 childs and after forking the child, everyprocess (parent and childs) do "accept" on the socket fd listening for incoming connections. The concern here is about the kernel awaking up policy in terms of performance, i.e., awaking up more than one process when a new connection is ready to be accept (only one process will have it and the other will be put to sleep again). The first approach leads to n+1 process. The second to exactly n process. The code (only relevant part) for the second approach would be something like: sd = socket; bind(sd ...); listen; while (n) { p = fork(); if (!p) break; /* we are a child */ if (p == -1) break; /* we are the parent, error */ } nc = accept(sd ...); What you have to say ? Thanks a lot for your time and cooperation. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 10:28:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C200F4A for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from friedrich.locke@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A158FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id wz12so271331pbc.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:28:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1aLxZRZutoMlqR7rfVaix7z+A0SpUYFaIndFgkv2CK8=; b=io5tBhzSo9Q1kR6BeGWHzMXS/CidXDRfoZ3S5qUcYs0YnQFiGZYx8Y/VLLGYZ/Qk8H F7zg+8f91Re7DvDqtqq3MWYeNiSokC9NE6k+VHQpCsVFRcIkD1LTbc9LEM/pc3sQvwKh q/1oEWXBsRLju5eRl64O2oCMCeRk7o+plsLBjeoF2tCnQ4UqFML4soLUp3Nb9PnnN7Mn Lo4clSyUabiWfQHgDevmNDhqDLK7CJiQKtL5ZzQ1ZoajYGviX4CJYI4UleR5uLithyt2 1VjZXJ4C1r2le8hNoo/p9+8zdwbOA2uEMgZM6QwtTEmAs9W28K9NdAB4jQMjD7FWoIdX ww+Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.130.197 with SMTP id og5mr65928327pbb.138.1352802529924; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.238.103 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:28:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:28:49 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Friedrich Locke To: Mark Blackman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:28:50 -0000 Thank you Mark for suggestion, but my doubt still remains. Regards. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Mark Blackman wrote: > On 13 Nov 2012, at 10:23, Friedrich Locke > wrote: > > > Hi list members, > > > > i would like to be an http server for static content only. Due to this > > [snip] > > > > > > > What you have to say > > benchmark nginx to see if it does the job already. > > - Mark > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 10:30:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA89FED for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [178.250.72.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB3F8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.111.190] (unknown [62.244.179.74]) by relay.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B3B0B2C88E; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:30:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:30:06 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> To: Friedrich Locke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:30:06 -0000 On 13 Nov 2012, at 10:28, Friedrich Locke wrote: > Thank you Mark for suggestion, but my doubt still remains. perhaps some benchmarking/testing will help clear up the doubt? - Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 10:32:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF5A11A for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [178.250.72.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AA38FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.111.190] (unknown [62.244.179.74]) by relay.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1D4C2C88B; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:26:36 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:26:38 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> References: To: Friedrich Locke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:32:05 -0000 On 13 Nov 2012, at 10:23, Friedrich Locke wrote: > Hi list members, > > i would like to be an http server for static content only. Due to this [snip] > > > What you have to say benchmark nginx to see if it does the job already. - Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 10:39:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6155A322 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:39:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB298FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from X220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.203.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qADAdq2R000476; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:39:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:39:52 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Friedrich Locke Subject: Re: high performance server design approach Message-ID: <20121113173952.14e12497@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:39:56 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:23:38 -0200 Friedrich Locke wrote: > 0) To have a single process "accepting" incoming connection on port > 80 and send the new socket fd to one of the http server in a > round-roubin manner, or if you have N cores, create N - X processes or threads for handling the requests. Leave at least one core for the OS, so, have X >= 2. I would not fork at all. Have the threads ready when the requests are coming. At least this is what I did several years ago achieving the highest performance. Make X a variable to be able to tune a bit. You also should have a memory pool available to avoid calls to malloc and free. You must have a limit for the memory pool. Free the memory in the pool time to time so others can make use of the memory too. > The first approach leads to n+1 process. The second to exactly n > process. You need at least one core for handling the tasks of the OS. If I remember right, I took 10% of the cores plus one which I did not use and I took at least one core. This is all from memory. So, please consider that I could have missed something out. > Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 10:51:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F53552D for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpielorz_lst@tdx.co.uk) Received: from mail.tdx.com (mail.tdx.com [62.13.128.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270558FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from MightyAtom.tdx.co.uk (storm.tdx.co.uk [62.13.130.251]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.tdx.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/) with ESMTP id qADAo5uL089766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:50:06 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:49:59 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Issues with smartd starting up at boot time - delays sever start? Message-ID: <73ADFF9FEC26D94D4727301D@MightyAtom.tdx.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:51:41 -0000 Hi, I've noticed on our systems (9.0-Stable, amd64) that starting smartd at boot time massively extends the startup time of the box. I think I've traced this down to smartd, and our use of the '-M test' config option (which sends a test message, apparently forking to 'mail' - and, as the config man page says - it will block until that command returns). For whatever reason (networking not stable at that point in time, MTA not started yet etc.) - on our machines this leaves smartd handing around for minutes - before it returns, the machine starts up (and the status emails arrive). Can anyone think of a 'simple' fix for this? - Is there anything I can do to '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/smartd' to make it run later in the startup process? Does the dreaded '/etc/rc.local' still get run -after- everything else? (Worst case I could launch it from there). Thanks, -Karl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 10:57:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBD2609 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:57:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12718FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x43so4039200wey.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:57:13 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=AZzU2pApZM2TsCEKhVF/8OdykOowAHjTmylWnLMjEw8=; b=MmDnPtsYwFTkn4k227RqmyFxZJoqGcaZBPWZSyIKj2Cv2UQxCWDNHUIFyCK85RVRuk +ATvpe+FvbgpDCBfHQtI8O+FVvv/xuAKbBLURBUbj9l0txheWuNEQd2nPojMK9qJAEU3 K3cWM0pdycWm/C1BbGjJV00JflooSdw9SFVNGPCOfz4spSppr4XFBf3MCg+K3SvmEEmY fV+Pm+ItI+zb8Ny1gIJV+zYdcGxIXFxHkU4gALAeFq8KsY7HHyVyg8bXMkcfGJeUlPie VSpUTECjnf9+e4Kw2wflYvhgZRMydmHjONlP12OHVyJjptsbRTvyN7Uv4NCAt0Xa6c94 DcyQ== Received: by 10.180.19.197 with SMTP id h5mr19510309wie.22.1352804233090; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n2sm18319593wix.6.2012.11.13.02.57.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 13 Nov 2012 02:57:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Fleuriot Damien In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:57:11 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> To: Friedrich Locke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnTAwwk8coslbIL5guGqdHT5cc3gca1ZA5DX9AeV1oXtO8OlVXJAoWThekO7GDKuHaHhKjT Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mark Blackman X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:57:21 -0000 Define "high performance" , what are your expectations in terms of = concurrent connections, requests/second and all ? Allow me to shed some measure of light here, we're running 16x web = servers with nginx doing *permanent* (as in, for all requests) URL = rewriting and serving 500 req/s each. These servers admittedly running debian are behind 4x freebsd boxes = using a combination of PF, CARP and relayd on 8.3-STABLE. The web servers deliver 200mb/second worth of *small* files (roughly 1kb = javascripts). They hardly ever reach 0.25 load average, on 8 cores + hyperthreading. What I'm getting at here is, nginx *totally rapes* performance-wise, at = least for our own needs. If it is able to deliver 500 req/s (for each server) of small files, = surely it can handle the load you're planning on throwing at it ? On Nov 13, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Friedrich Locke = wrote: > Thank you Mark for suggestion, but my doubt still remains. >=20 > Regards. >=20 > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Mark Blackman = wrote: >=20 >> On 13 Nov 2012, at 10:23, Friedrich Locke >> wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi list members, >>>=20 >>> i would like to be an http server for static content only. Due to = this >>=20 >> [snip] >>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> What you have to say >>=20 >> benchmark nginx to see if it does the job already. >>=20 >> - Mark >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 11:03:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288B978B for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from friedrich.locke@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DD18FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id kp6so452192pab.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:03:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=r8dHOpu2YVupZLmldM2wzxMFPztvpDyDQ0mSYB3TgXA=; b=Gy6vOC/F3G6uJ/4Z4EPCm4zp2BGkUdyZ/oavAqhUFijTFYJZWwGh5bvXv0lAQ9si0T eI2XquYCT4rLoJishYVvQaxwXVKRmkKV20WcjGdMZqhEb1QurFKLz12YrbiimzwSudVx /0KqsnjLQP/gcGmJaBtKx25rrHyByXxm67w1uvBxft97OB22pCZvoyFzNcXIDyrMGptU RxoxBrOsSSxUztRoV+uOtjxwcA4KYKBk7FbFunyFkt3s7Y+C98TPHoWiuxcKeVLWmn0m XYlCzlRSxBUK9125e8Qm6ujhLCvlrHfDscXsCtAu+5UMn/qOgZ1kfeIdwD78qr6nOPvG YnVA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.230.200 with SMTP id ta8mr26640753pbc.13.1352804622200; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.238.103 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:03:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:03:42 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Friedrich Locke To: Fleuriot Damien Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mark Blackman X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:03:43 -0000 Mark, when i say high performance, i am looking something at least as fast as the fastest performing http server on the market for a given set of requests on the same pool of static files. I am aware og ngnix, but i have to write my own http server. Using someone else solution is not an option. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Fleuriot Damien wrote: > Define "high performance" , what are your expectations in terms of > concurrent connections, requests/second and all ? > > > > Allow me to shed some measure of light here, we're running 16x web servers > with nginx doing *permanent* (as in, for all requests) URL rewriting and > serving 500 req/s each. > > These servers admittedly running debian are behind 4x freebsd boxes using > a combination of PF, CARP and relayd on 8.3-STABLE. > > The web servers deliver 200mb/second worth of *small* files (roughly 1kb > javascripts). > They hardly ever reach 0.25 load average, on 8 cores + hyperthreading. > > > What I'm getting at here is, nginx *totally rapes* performance-wise, at > least for our own needs. > > If it is able to deliver 500 req/s (for each server) of small files, > surely it can handle the load you're planning on throwing at it ? > > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Friedrich Locke > wrote: > > > Thank you Mark for suggestion, but my doubt still remains. > > > > Regards. > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Mark Blackman > wrote: > > > >> On 13 Nov 2012, at 10:23, Friedrich Locke > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi list members, > >>> > >>> i would like to be an http server for static content only. Due to this > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> What you have to say > >> > >> benchmark nginx to see if it does the job already. > >> > >> - Mark > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 11:08:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86F0887 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mark@exonetric.com) Received: from relay.exonetric.net (relay0.exonetric.net [178.250.72.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CD18FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.111.190] (unknown [62.244.179.74]) by relay.exonetric.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E7552C893; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:08:43 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Mark Blackman In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:08:44 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5F6CAEED-10F2-447D-A8F7-3B47A1FC3536@exonetric.com> References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> To: Friedrich Locke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: Fleuriot Damien , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:08:44 -0000 On 13 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Friedrich Locke = wrote: > Mark, >=20 > when i say high performance, i am looking something at least as fast = as the fastest performing http server on the market for a given set of = requests on the same pool of static files. >=20 > I am aware og ngnix, but i have to write my own http server. Using = someone else solution is not an option. Ok, fair enough. It's a shame you're not in a position to use proven = high performance technology to minimise your time-to-market, but I'll assume you've got a good reason to = re-invent the wheel. I think for design questions like that, freebsd-questions@ is not the = ideal list, but I suggest either freebsd-hackers@ or freebsd-net@ or a more general purpose = networking list. Try = http://www.slideshare.net/joshzhu/tips-on-high-performance-server-programm= ing too. - Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 11:18:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C4FB08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:18:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34018FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so13587032iea.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:18:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=CKXmXTBdx3BqKGxJg73NqDqm27h0dnmwaCcxyNBmLs4=; b=UcvqfIkDCinf/bNPuaGNsV1GAOTyUpGIZnCF8GER2jzqmRKu6Fgje7FIAfTzga5+km 75w13GvmCLchcEB4n0J5/SKGzC89HkNoWVwELvkL3hA40j/4d8Cm9hb66rJmUbvBPxD7 njw5VAeMekA1OaL/LYkHDBf1nPYZinSX4SkX3V/Z0FfyRuY5AYTzrTOkH6u6UV5/crxo fD9LPQR0aoR52LfD/dRJgfC0+Oy9/x3nnmDPQXHvB8ooVE2x28yzYpz/2qxIglFZAxKE A974p620qHssiHNuD7RaIxnH3MoUGpyLzLWpLotmZ/OntpIl/zLFMnUfqZ/igz5iJj3D rATA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.104.208 with SMTP id s16mr20846778ico.15.1352805508119; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.147.34 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:18:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:18:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Damien Fleuriot To: Friedrich Locke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlILWIbweLddVDOUpBCmFm9vF9xrAUJYDRZES4m2xZxu0JD0Y3KDNM3gKElW9MyG2C0iLVy Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Mark Blackman X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:18:29 -0000 That's a shame, nginx is definitely a robust and fast server, it's well maintained, it's patched quickly... If you need proof of its prowess to convince your upstream managers, I'd be inclined to provide you with a diagram of our architecture for this particular project, as well as the graphs (network traffic, server loads, requests/sec...) On 13 November 2012 12:03, Friedrich Locke wrote: > Mark, > > when i say high performance, i am looking something at least as fast as the > fastest performing http server on the market for a given set of requests on > the same pool of static files. > > I am aware og ngnix, but i have to write my own http server. Using someone > else solution is not an option. > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Fleuriot Damien wrote: >> >> Define "high performance" , what are your expectations in terms of >> concurrent connections, requests/second and all ? >> >> >> >> Allow me to shed some measure of light here, we're running 16x web servers >> with nginx doing *permanent* (as in, for all requests) URL rewriting and >> serving 500 req/s each. >> >> These servers admittedly running debian are behind 4x freebsd boxes using >> a combination of PF, CARP and relayd on 8.3-STABLE. >> >> The web servers deliver 200mb/second worth of *small* files (roughly 1kb >> javascripts). >> They hardly ever reach 0.25 load average, on 8 cores + hyperthreading. >> >> >> What I'm getting at here is, nginx *totally rapes* performance-wise, at >> least for our own needs. >> >> If it is able to deliver 500 req/s (for each server) of small files, >> surely it can handle the load you're planning on throwing at it ? >> >> >> >> On Nov 13, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Friedrich Locke >> wrote: >> >> > Thank you Mark for suggestion, but my doubt still remains. >> > >> > Regards. >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Mark Blackman >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On 13 Nov 2012, at 10:23, Friedrich Locke >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi list members, >> >>> >> >>> i would like to be an http server for static content only. Due to this >> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> What you have to say >> >> >> >> benchmark nginx to see if it does the job already. >> >> >> >> - Mark >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 11:43:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E447C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:43:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB1E8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so9503919vba.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:43:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zYHTxV1Nhpqpiin3fkrDiPjNUjle2NbZnyIVvZCzacc=; b=QD2uxHKeDz3bdZr8ihepGidRvVomKrPc7q/e2zbSP6lxCtri0bnCMo8oZTMHW6zhti ViT1P6xx4joPBIMh+77Gpzk5hdnsKJc7jxIaoAn/vUhhLEGCLQ1/w6L8lT93K3Dd/eXh ykQGnWe8Du6A297Fk2nLLO8X2V2clGR3pHig153t6ilWByDCOZiPTQQBmB/mWB+fjKLP 1CP0rgAbxG9aLzowBPU5HZyTY8xOl9TKF4Y2ndpXNS1GRxGIyaFKvkvtZPqRGWvEdHM8 m2pjB7XrFv/XOYar2Tr9I1ORFc+RDAOi+2KbbVWTPtjBKQ4umNR2f/MnH6XSs7oylh4l 2XPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.156.77 with SMTP id v13mr5144494vcw.62.1352807017371; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.218.35 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:43:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5F6CAEED-10F2-447D-A8F7-3B47A1FC3536@exonetric.com> References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> <5F6CAEED-10F2-447D-A8F7-3B47A1FC3536@exonetric.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 03:43:37 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Mark Blackman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Fleuriot Damien , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Friedrich Locke X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:43:39 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Mark Blackman wrote: > > On 13 Nov 2012, at 11:03, Friedrich Locke > wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > when i say high performance, i am looking something at least as fast as > the fastest performing http server on the market for a given set of > requests on the same pool of static files. > > > > I am aware og ngnix, but i have to write my own http server. Using > someone else solution is not an option. > > Ok, fair enough. It's a shame you're not in a position to use proven high > performance technology to minimise > your time-to-market, but I'll assume you've got a good reason to re-invent > the wheel. > > I think for design questions like that, freebsd-questions@ is not the > ideal list, but I suggest > either freebsd-hackers@ or freebsd-net@ or a more general purpose > networking list. > > Try > http://www.slideshare.net/joshzhu/tips-on-high-performance-server-programmingtoo. > > - Mark > > If there is NO any absolute requirement to write a new http server in a clean room approach , any existing related software with suitable license may be utilized to generate a new fork and make necessary additions with possible translation to another programming language . For example , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nginx ( BSD licensed ) is forked by http://www.zhuzhaoyuan.com/ as http://tengine.taobao.org/ . To find other suitable licensed http servers , the following page may be useful : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_server_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_servers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_HTTP_server http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Web_server_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_web_server_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Web_server_management_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_free_software_licence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_licences http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_and_open-source_software_licenses Please do NOT take the following sentences against your personality , they are only to remind you about problems : If you are not able to fork an existing http server software in your programming language ( the programming language you want to use ) and modify it with respect to your special needs , then it is very likely that you will not be able to write an equivalent software . If you attempt to create such a software , with the above condition , at the end , your gain will be amount of knowledge you gained , amount of time and resources ( money , time , etc. ) you lost . If you will use a different programming language and you do not know the programming languages used by suitable licensed http server software , then study development history of such http server software and get information about its difficulty , problems , cost , human effort requirements , etc. , . This will supply to you a clear road map for you development . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 12:52:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7424060F for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matrix@itlegion.ru) Received: from corpmail.itlegion.ru (corpmail.itlegion.ru [84.21.226.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 957B88FC1E for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 34943 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2012 16:52:06 +0400 Received: from localhost-artem.itlegion.ru (HELO ?192.168.0.12?) (192.168.0.12) by 84.21.226.211 with SMTP; 13 Nov 2012 16:52:06 +0400 Message-ID: <50A24258.6080203@itlegion.ru> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:51:36 +0400 From: Artem Kuchin Organization: IT Legion User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Old file reappeared by itself References: <50A0CA53.8050802@itlegion.ru> In-Reply-To: <50A0CA53.8050802@itlegion.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:52:17 -0000 12.11.2012 14:07, Artem Kuchin: > The machines runs 4 jails. Everything is in the jails except NAMED. > Named is run on the root host (if i may say so) itself. > There is a zone file there which i changed last week. > Today in the morning i try to open a site and host name is not found. > It worked on friday. > I went to see the the zone file. IT WAS DATED 2010 !!!! I open it and > the serial number is > something like 201103021. I do all my serials using dates, so, while > the file date is 2010 > the content is from 2011 and it sure does looks so. > Then i go to secondary zone (slave) on another server and there i find > the zone from last week. > I checked all logs and did not find anything special. The zone file > from 2010 just reappeared > from nowhere kill all the new changes. > As i said, i saw things like this in the past. It happened insides > jails and was related to files > for web sites and i thought that i and someone else messed up. No i > think i saw the same thing. It happened today again! I checked file today and the file was dated 5 oct 2012 but content was from a week ago except the serial. I changed it yesterday. No automatic backup or restore is running. Uptime is 321 day. last says not one has logged in since yerterday. I am going crazy. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 13:10:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAEB339 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC788FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF854B2013 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:00:37 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.562, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ZwUWrfnxj-QS for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:00:31 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from [172.17.0.111] (c-195-216-043-059.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.43.59]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD33D5E292 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:00:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50A2445F.7040602@eskk.nu> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:00:15 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Some thoughts about upgrading from 8.3 to 9.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:10:03 -0000 I just read in another post about disklayout _____________________________________________________________ According to the manual as of 9.0-RELEASE the default fragment and block sizes for newfs are 4k and 32k, so provided your partitions/slices are 4k aligned everything Should Just Work. Before 9.0 fragments and blocks were 2k and 16k which doesn't play so well with 4k drives. ____________________________________________________________ I started thinking about the choices I have for upgrading my running 8.3 systems. I'm aware about of the procedure with freebsd-upgrade and rebuilding all ports according to man portmaster. Would you just do the upgrade or would you consider reinstalling? Would it be beneficial to make a fresh installation? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 13:20:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC25C4BF for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:20:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED768FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from X220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.203.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qADDK86u004918; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:20:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:20:08 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Some thoughts about upgrading from 8.3 to 9.1 Message-ID: <20121113202008.50283c3b@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <50A2445F.7040602@eskk.nu> References: <50A2445F.7040602@eskk.nu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:20:14 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:00:15 +0100 Leslie Jensen wrote: > > I just read in another post about disklayout > _____________________________________________________________ > According to the manual as of 9.0-RELEASE the default fragment > and block sizes for newfs are 4k and 32k, so provided your > partitions/slices are 4k aligned everything Should Just Work. > Before 9.0 fragments and blocks were 2k and 16k which doesn't > play so well with 4k drives. > ____________________________________________________________ > > > I started thinking about the choices I have for upgrading my running > 8.3 systems. > > I'm aware about of the procedure with freebsd-upgrade and rebuilding > all ports according to man portmaster. > > > Would you just do the upgrade or would you consider reinstalling? > > Would it be beneficial to make a fresh installation? let me phrase it this way: I upgrade always via source but I am prepared to hit a wall between. The number of walls are very low meanwhile. The advantage of a normal upgrade via sources are so many that I always risk it. But I make sure that I have the option of re-installation at hand. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 13:55:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DF39FF for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:55:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E108FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFDA5E2F4 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:55:16 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.561, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Dnp84AfgN7a3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:55:15 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from [172.17.0.111] (c-195-216-043-059.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.43.59]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1D35E3C3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:55:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50A25149.5030009@eskk.nu> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:55:21 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Moused error in 9.1-RC3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:55:18 -0000 I've just installed 9.1-RC3 on a machine. When starting I get the error: Starting default moused moused: unable to open /dev/psm0: No such file or directory I have moused_enable="YES" in rc.conf Do I need to set some right in devfs for it to go away? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 14:05:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2751D6 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27CB8FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.197.103]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:04:26 -0800 Message-ID: <50A25367.5060309@a1poweruser.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:04:23 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Some thoughts about upgrading from 8.3 to 9.1 References: <50A2445F.7040602@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <50A2445F.7040602@eskk.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2012 14:04:26.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAA829D0:01CDC1A7] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:05:31 -0000 Leslie Jensen wrote: > > I just read in another post about disklayout > _____________________________________________________________ > According to the manual as of 9.0-RELEASE the default fragment > and block sizes for newfs are 4k and 32k, so provided your > partitions/slices are 4k aligned everything Should Just Work. > Before 9.0 fragments and blocks were 2k and 16k which doesn't > play so well with 4k drives. > ____________________________________________________________ > > > I started thinking about the choices I have for upgrading my running 8.3 > systems. > > I'm aware about of the procedure with freebsd-upgrade and rebuilding all > ports according to man portmaster. > > > Would you just do the upgrade or would you consider reinstalling? > > Would it be beneficial to make a fresh installation? > > Thanks > > /Leslie > I all ways reinstall from scratch using disc1.iso burned to cdrom as each new OS Release becomes available to the public. Followed by pkg-add -r for all my ports. I even use the pkg versions of dependents that are required by php because I have to recompile the php port to turn on the apache module and turn off everything else. This way I only compile php and not its dependents. I have the pkg_add -r commands embedded in a script that automates the whole procedures. The installed packages stay at whatever version they are at as of new OS Release time. I do not update running packages during the life of the installed OS Release. Been doing this since Release 3.0 without any problems. Install process takes about 30 minutes. Time for downloading disc1.iso and burning it is not included in that 30 minutes. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 14:12:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F211E587 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:12:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A9B8FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (spftor2.privacyfoundation.de [62.141.58.13]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43BA25A94 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:02:40 +0400 (MSK) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:02:25 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Moused error in 9.1-RC3 Message-ID: <20121113140223.GA6561@external.screwed.box> References: <50A25149.5030009@eskk.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50A25149.5030009@eskk.nu> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:12:42 -0000 Hello. 2012/11/13 14:55:21 +0100 Leslie Jensen => To FreeBSD Questions : LJ> I've just installed 9.1-RC3 on a machine. LJ> When starting I get the error: LJ> Starting default moused LJ> moused: unable to open /dev/psm0: No such file or directory LJ> I have moused_enable="YES" in rc.conf LJ> Do I need to set some right in devfs for it to go away? Yes, in the case if your kernel detected the 'psm0' device, typically that message found in dmesg for that case. -- Peter Vereshagin (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 14:21:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9634959 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:21:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541358FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qADELSpe015524; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:21:28 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <50A25768.9040208@qeng-ho.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:21:28 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121029 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Some thoughts about upgrading from 8.3 to 9.1 References: <50A2445F.7040602@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <50A2445F.7040602@eskk.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:21:31 -0000 On 11/13/12 13:00, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > I just read in another post about disklayout > _____________________________________________________________ > According to the manual as of 9.0-RELEASE the default fragment > and block sizes for newfs are 4k and 32k, so provided your > partitions/slices are 4k aligned everything Should Just Work. > Before 9.0 fragments and blocks were 2k and 16k which doesn't > play so well with 4k drives. > ____________________________________________________________ I wrote that. It's only relevant if you have recent disks with 4k hardware blocks. If you have, you ought to use 4k/16k filesystems whatever your OS rev. If you haven't, it doesn't matter. If it's not broken, don't fix it, is a very good principle. > I started thinking about the choices I have for upgrading my running 8.3 > systems. > > I'm aware about of the procedure with freebsd-upgrade and rebuilding all > ports according to man portmaster. > > > Would you just do the upgrade or would you consider reinstalling? > > Would it be beneficial to make a fresh installation? Like Erich Dollansky, I prefer to upgrade via source, but that's because I like tweaking my system in mildly non-standard ways. (More a habit than a necessity, but I've been doing it since 6th Edition Unix. :-) If you're running a vanilla install with GENERIC kernel freebsd-upgrade is probably going to be quicker even if you've got a multicore monster to recompile on. Just make sure you can reinstall if something goes bad during the upgrade and *back up anything vital first*. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 14:40:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012CB8B3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA778FC19 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qADEeaV5043675; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qADEeV7k043656; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:40:31 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <86166.1352787251@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <86166.1352787251@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:40:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:40:37 -0000 On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message <20121113065602.ee2310d7.freebsd@edvax.de>, > Polytropon wrote: > >> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:47:40 -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >>> Is there _anything_ that I will have to do differently than I did for the >>> last 20 drives I've used with FreeBSD over the last 10+ years? >> >> As far as I know, the "old ways" still work as intended. >> I've been initalizing 1 TB and 1.5 TB disks the "old way", >> using sysinstall (to create a slice, then to create the >> partitions) and newfs (to format the 2nd data disk). So >> far, the disks are working for some years without trouble. >> Those are "normal" disks, not SSDs, purchased few years >> ago. >> >> The term "advanced format" is usually used for 4k-sectorized >> disks (in difference to "traditional" 512k sectors). >> >> You can find more here: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format >> >> The implication for FreeBSD is (and has been for some time) >> to align partitions "at a 4k border". If you create partition >> sizes as multiples of 4k, it should be fine. > > Thank you. > > Which "partitions" need to be aligned to the 4KB boundaries? > The FreeBSD ones, the MBR ones, or both? The ones you want to be fast instead of half-speed. The easy way to do it is to jettison the old MBR slice/partition stuff and use the simpler GPT. The first half of this document shows how to set it up: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 14:42:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEDA9D3 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0138FC12 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qADEgOLS015588; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:42:27 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <50A25C50.3050704@qeng-ho.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:42:24 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121029 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: Some thoughts about upgrading from 8.3 to 9.1 References: <50A2445F.7040602@eskk.nu> <50A25768.9040208@qeng-ho.org> In-Reply-To: <50A25768.9040208@qeng-ho.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:42:29 -0000 On 11/13/12 14:21, Arthur Chance wrote: Oops, sent this off too quickly. > I wrote that. It's only relevant if you have recent disks with 4k > hardware blocks. If you have, you ought to use 4k/16k filesystems > whatever your OS rev. That should be 4k/32k. As "man newfs" says: The optimal block:fragment ratio is 8:1. Other ratios are possible, but are not recommended, and may produce poor results. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 16:03:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150909A7 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lenzi.sergio@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A6C8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f182.google.com with SMTP id l1so1556993ggn.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:03:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=7w1qDzOfdOhBEnMudDpIoitYip4ycso3S0kCmS/F6TU=; b=ARDAvLjfqWQwF8tHN6KYzhIJ5BeKpX06k5OPElu5o2/jzOfLMiNXUrQ1Mwjxa/6dvq RGLlJ9xFeboKQRStmV+9B++X/gRbSIQOWhSkHumMM+22U0ccIQcl/CH0ZLM3UFZCIUXu hD+DKKo6KFfuRotIGl/LHpgZHHHx2P7mlMRutzTH3ksyvFYCOWgCBknortSlCyUE15vT 7m/v4WXy+WtFfzUNzNx4KnAykTAVP5Hcq3XcqPrJuQ5pcNldxe6VkfnVewJhJf1wEDsD Xpn+HWoQdEn+6j721Qs7tmTLScUP/f2UR+sqA53dqMA95XCxPvkFsKr4O/9xsb3nnQlw yLzw== Received: by 10.236.117.33 with SMTP id i21mr23332857yhh.81.1352822621648; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:03:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([189.123.205.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y18sm9033650anh.15.2012.11.13.08.03.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:03:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: BIOS update saga - the end From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <201211042102.qA4L2Sxx044627@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> References: <201211042102.qA4L2Sxx044627@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:03:37 -0200 Message-ID: <1352822617.65223.14.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:03:43 -0000 That is one of the reasons I stop buying HP products specially laptops.. and sony vaio as well.. the last one I have is a z6000 that is still working very well with FreeBSD10. HP notebooks are "closed" works only with windows, are expensive consumes too much power, the bateries did not last... I live in Brazil and here one HP costs about 750 euros... a sony vaio is about 800 euros, I bought recently a Lenovo G475 (14inch LED display) notebook brand new, for 350 euros with 2Gb of memory, 320Gb of HD, atheros wifi, dvd rw, AMD radeon video, dual core... I bought more 4Gb of memory for 30 euros, and the notebook is now with 6Gb... Last week I bought a 15 inch notebook at the shopping near my home, with the same amd chip, wifi, large keyboard with separated numeric key, 4Gb memory, 500Gb disk.... for 320 euros (no brand name)... any of them works very well with FreeBSD, NetBSD or Linux... A friend of mine bought 10 of those for his company employees.. it is cheapper than upgrade de desktops.... That is my experience Sergio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 16:23:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1564FBA for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirg.bris.ac.uk (dirg.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681D08FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from irix.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.39] helo=ncs.bris.ac.uk) by dirg.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYJFu-0006rP-JV; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:22:58 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.187.241]) by ncs.bris.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYJFu-0003Lj-Ek; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:22:30 +0000 Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qADGMUu3012402; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:22:30 GMT (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qADGMUnx012401; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:22:30 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:22:30 GMT From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201211131622.qADGMUnx012401@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: lenzi.sergio@gmail.com, mexas@bristol.ac.uk Subject: Re: BIOS update saga - the end In-Reply-To: <1352822617.65223.14.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> X-Spam-Score: -3.6 X-Spam-Level: --- Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:23:05 -0000 From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Tue Nov 13 16:17:49 2012 That is one of the reasons I stop buying HP products specially laptops.. and sony vaio as well.. the last one I have is a z6000 that is still working very well with FreeBSD10. HP notebooks are "closed" works only with windows, are expensive consumes too much power, the bateries did not last... regarding the power and weak batteries - this is my experience too. I live in Brazil and here one HP costs about 750 euros... a sony vaio is about 800 euros, I bought recently a Lenovo G475 (14inch LED display) notebook brand new, for 350 euros with 2Gb of memory, 320Gb of HD, atheros wifi, dvd rw, AMD radeon video, dual core... I bought more 4Gb of memory for 30 euros, and the notebook is now with 6Gb... ok, I might look at this model, thanks for the hint. Last week I bought a 15 inch notebook at the shopping near my home, with the same amd chip, wifi, large keyboard with separated numeric key, 4Gb memory, 500Gb disk.... for 320 euros (no brand name)... any of them works very well with FreeBSD, NetBSD or Linux... A friend of mine bought 10 of those for his company employees.. it is cheapper than upgrade de desktops.... That is my experience Sergio Anton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 17:14:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158AD359 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:14:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFAC8FC16 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TYK4T-00031v-AR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:14:45 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:14:45 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:14:45 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: problem with pkgng Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 12 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:14:40 -0000 I am attempting to migrate a test box to pkgng, and have run into difficulty: When I run the pkg2ng script, it fails to register postgreql-jdbc because one if its files, namely /usr/local/share/doc/postgresql/README-client, is also installed by postgresql-client-9.2.1. In this, pkgng is perfectly correct, but how do I work around the issue? My assumption is that I will need to use pkg register with a hacked plist file from which the offending entry has been removed. Can anyone shed light on how to achieve this? I'm afraid I'm rather a novice at present. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 17:14:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0916B3F5 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:14:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from email2.allantgroup.com (email2.emsphone.com [199.67.51.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D1F8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [172.17.17.101]) by email2.allantgroup.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qADHEj0e061506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:14:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (smmsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qADHEj2T017998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:14:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qADHEjUA017997; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:14:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:14:45 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Karl Pielorz Subject: Re: Issues with smartd starting up at boot time - delays sever start? Message-ID: <20121113171445.GF20857@dan.emsphone.com> References: <73ADFF9FEC26D94D4727301D@MightyAtom.tdx.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <73ADFF9FEC26D94D4727301D@MightyAtom.tdx.co.uk> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.6 at email2.allantgroup.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (email2.allantgroup.com [172.17.19.78]); Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:14:46 -0600 (CST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on email2.allantgroup.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:14:49 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 13), Karl Pielorz said: > I've noticed on our systems (9.0-Stable, amd64) that starting smartd at > boot time massively extends the startup time of the box. > > I think I've traced this down to smartd, and our use of the '-M test' > config option (which sends a test message, apparently forking to 'mail' - > and, as the config man page says - it will block until that command > returns). > > For whatever reason (networking not stable at that point in time, MTA not > started yet etc.) - on our machines this leaves smartd handing around for > minutes - before it returns, the machine starts up (and the status emails > arrive). > > Can anyone think of a 'simple' fix for this? - Is there anything I can do > to '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/smartd' to make it run later in the startup > process? Try adding "mail" to the REQUIRE: line, since sendmail has that in its PROVIDES: line. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 18:27:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5998B798 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:27:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from gw15.lax01.mailroute.net (lax-gw15.mailroute.net [199.89.0.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B4A8FC17 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gw15.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACBEE36319; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:21:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from gw15.lax01.mailroute.net ([199.89.0.115]) by localhost (gw15.lax01.mailroute.net.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id LHmBNrpqwtZY; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:21:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by gw15.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0047E363C9; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:21:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5F7EE1D6D; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:21:52 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Friedrich Locke Subject: Re: high performance server design approach References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.19.16.2; tzolkin = 5 Ik; haab = 5 Ceh Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:21:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Friedrich Locke's message of "Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:03:42 -0200") Message-ID: <86lie5uzwf.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:27:19 -0000 >>>>> "Friedrich" == Friedrich Locke writes: Friedrich> I am aware og ngnix, but i have to write my own http Friedrich> server. Using someone else solution is not an option. As this is a very unusual requirement (given that nginx is available under the most free license available), I think you owe us a better explanation. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 18:46:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E23DCA5 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:46:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from friedrich.locke@gmail.com) Received: from mail-da0-f54.google.com (mail-da0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F788FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-da0-f54.google.com with SMTP id z9so3472101dad.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:46:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Waf1yB+ocG67+0Az/pbsE5FeuID3+b4VloRS15C3sZU=; b=cE6DQqmUlfQ2AaWdDoFZSOQrK9adkymsRZLTJgUmAfMVZkH0MP+twBMX/RBmWlUNow l49E1jc67XszhZtz1slADgYtwdQWTnh10NCce+DxmQtsMIEGgQ/bFLEo5tsYnfpMxx77 JnDAmV4BCdkAE3y4HNbEUfZJYL7dgh8dHNJHNfBzQ7VG7rjj4RAwhQ1757MqjufbQK3k 6IoPqakv2KteS0OSQOk6pY/KZQfeZ7wIBqt8z9ha8mWOXDHNPeN/6rZ+JBe/by+xKy+i mJzG+dNh2Lcutmf+yxRCtkkzKDRMay3BMLAlj33SWf3aGDSGFc4n3xJTQGQHPTgrqx2o jsrQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.233.196 with SMTP id ty4mr70534079pbc.23.1352832393228; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.238.103 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:46:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <86lie5uzwf.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> <86lie5uzwf.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:46:33 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Friedrich Locke To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:46:34 -0000 Jesus Christ! The http server is just an excuse, ok? Happy now? I just need to know, for a tcp server which of those apporaches could deliver best results! That's really the question was all about ! On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Friedrich" == Friedrich Locke writes: > > Friedrich> I am aware og ngnix, but i have to write my own http > Friedrich> server. Using someone else solution is not an option. > > As this is a very unusual requirement (given that nginx is available > under the most free license available), I think you owe us a better > explanation. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 > 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 18:51:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF626DA0 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from friedrich.locke@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94748FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id wz12so579064pbc.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VVEzgB4FxE1gXupFWpVm1W0wwheRK8QkjwMN8RTUWG0=; b=KuoiMZvaZfV+ePnnBFHPKVrXl25cxzbh2NjGf4feHIkS6W6IWeWAt1OL5ibnpvh+V+ +md11hCK4wvsn1PFXGEmlpuAEE0msufI8bT3rXcQEujnbTUt5ZSx6w0uDNVvLE4z50qn PmWhLe8LqmCvMvJ/v7xz1QGys0hx7lnUK9crwXujZU8xeEI26UTCvPjAXWVXwc0jU0Lh KRU53aXZWNIEhm9BWSHurRrVT0R5yqWaaUuHDSjZ3gU62VLJ1winDd1V/wPnfBQ6G/yB 7Dt1fNpTdi861SQZ+1246ylF6fVJezLvmMQGXiavj6D8E/BXiBQ3+IxcWZxdg3tLgkro vtAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.72.134 with SMTP id d6mr67202206pav.13.1352832713565; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.238.103 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <86haotuyny.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> <86lie5uzwf.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <86haotuyny.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:51:53 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: high performance server design approach From: Friedrich Locke To: "Randal L. Schwartz" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:51:54 -0000 I am really sorry i offend you! It was not my wish! On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Friedrich" == Friedrich Locke writes: > > Friedrich> The http server is just an excuse, ok? Happy now? > > So why lie to us, then? Not very nice to lie to people from whom you > want help and answers and advice... FOR FREE. > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 > 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 18:53:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98085E57 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF0B8FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id P6qg1k0034XeM01016qgPo; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:50:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:50:40 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121113185040.GA2570@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113090812.97e1c6a1.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121113090812.97e1c6a1.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:53:17 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:08:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my > > > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in. > > > > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like > > > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > > > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} > > > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing > > tao to ethic. > > The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while > the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on > FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration > and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that > specific service (that has to be enabled). hmmm. that might be it. my firewall is in a nice small, 4w netgear box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that I never studied. yuk. > > > > > > The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're > > > using and is very different among the Linusi. > > > > rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had > > trouble with ssh, even with FBSD. > > There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server > set up on Fedora: > > http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH > > Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article > also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly. > thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to. > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 18:54:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50E9EF4 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from gw17.lax01.mailroute.net (lax-gw17.mailroute.net [199.89.0.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6378FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:54:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gw17.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A800196096A; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:48:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from gw17.lax01.mailroute.net ([199.89.0.117]) by localhost (gw17.lax01.mailroute.net.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id amhDuh3An7Jw; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:48:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by gw17.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5111960953; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:48:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 757181DA0; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Friedrich Locke Subject: Re: high performance server design approach References: <73EA6F0E-0170-4738-80D0-F911AEE5E1CD@exonetric.com> <86lie5uzwf.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.19.16.2; tzolkin = 5 Ik; haab = 5 Ceh Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:48:33 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Friedrich Locke's message of "Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:46:33 -0200") Message-ID: <86haotuyny.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:54:04 -0000 >>>>> "Friedrich" == Friedrich Locke writes: Friedrich> The http server is just an excuse, ok? Happy now? So why lie to us, then? Not very nice to lie to people from whom you want help and answers and advice... FOR FREE. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 19:00:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B397A206 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:00:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70DE58FC17 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23813 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2012 18:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.180.213.209) by p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.82) with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2012 18:53:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:53:48 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121113185348.GB2570@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:00:30 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:10:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh > > > > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh > > > > back in. > > > > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a > > > > string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards > > > > or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from > > > > OpenBSD.} > > > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'? > > Erich Ha! yes! I did not know it was one word, but should have remembered the "v" should be a "w" ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 19:02:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FD142E for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:02:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2E88FC16 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by m1plsmtpa01-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id P7071k0044XeM0101707Ch; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:00:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Erich Dollansky , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:02:44 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800 > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh > > > > > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh > > > > > back in. > > > > > > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a > > > > > string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards > > > > > or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from > > > > > OpenBSD.} > > > > > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? > > > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to > > > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'? > > Jawohl mein Herr! :-) > What, no comma!? :) > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 21:47:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E649A90D for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A218FC13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from X220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.203.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qADLlnOq026823; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:47:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:47:48 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:47:57 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800 Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800 > > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can > > > > > > ssh *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I > > > > > > cant ssh back in. > > > > > > > > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an > > > > > > instant "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get > > > > > > a string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network > > > > > > wizards or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff > > > > > > is from OpenBSD.} > > > > > > > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? > > > > > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to > > > > > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'? > > > > Jawohl mein Herr! :-) > > > What, no comma!? what the Playboy did to the German language ... Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was obviously a mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after decades of no comma in the tag line. You know, while in other countries man could say that they read Playboy only because of the articles, in Germany they read Playboy only to check on the comma. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 21:59:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8718DA4 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD6558FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21590 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2012 21:59:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.180.213.209) by p3plsmtpa01-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.83) with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2012 21:58:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:58:58 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121113215858.GA9279@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113090812.97e1c6a1.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121113090812.97e1c6a1.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:59:07 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:08:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my > > > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in. > > > > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like > > > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > > > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} > > > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing > > tao to ethic. > > The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while > the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on > FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration > and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that > specific service (that has to be enabled). > and I believe you need to give the full path name; that's one of the things ii just did. > > > > The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're > > > using and is very different among the Linusi. > > > > rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had > > trouble with ssh, even with FBSD. > > There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server > set up on Fedora: > > http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH > > Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article > also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly. > well, it works. im not sure what I did, but no comp;laints! I'm running pfSense in a netgear box. before I rebooted, my local IP ended in .114; after and now it moved to .113. when I did an ssh 10.47.0.113, voila! the new tao requested my password. and I was in. and go ssh back and forth. Whew! thanks for the help, guys. gary ps: I'v got to figure out how to remove gnome and install kde, &c, but at least that should be easy. > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 22:07:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1946135 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE6B8FC15 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2C35081D for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:07:50 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <20121113073030.87bc0608.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:07:50 -0800 Message-ID: <4073.1352844470@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:07:53 -0000 In message <20121113073030.87bc0608.freebsd@edvax.de>, Polytropon wrote: >Note that 4k = 8 x 512 byte, and so 64 sectors would be a >good alignment "grid", while 63 sectors is not. That implies >that in case you use fdisk to create a slice holding your >partitions, try to make it start at sector 64 (63 would >have been the default). OK. I've only ever used the FreeBSD fdisk to just look at what the current (DOS) partitioning is, so I guess I'll have to dig into the man page and try to figure out how to actually use it to create a DOS partition starting at "block" 64. >After that, use bsdlabel to create the partitions inside >the slice as you want. Make them multiples of 1M or 1G, OK. I think that I always was doing that anyway. But I want to be sure that I understand... If the size of the BSD partition is a multiple of, say, !MB, then the _alignment_ of that partition will likewise (auto- magically) be at least 1MB also? Or do I need to set the alignment separately, e.g. my manually running bsdlabel? (Normally, I've just been using what noadays is being called "guided" partitioning, you know, with the friendly curses-based GUI. So As with fdisk, I have no real experience using bsdlabee from teh command line. But I guess it is time that i learned how.) >that should be no big deal because disks are big and cheap >today. :-) Yes, exactly so. I am not exactly going to sweat losing even, say, one megabyte now that I am the proud owner of a shiny new one TERABYTE drive. (Thirty years ago, I could hardly have even ever imagined that such might exist one day, let alone that I myself would own one, and let alone that I might have been able to purchase one for less than $100 USD. Rather amazing really.) >You can then easily use newfs with the -f parameter: > > newfs -U -f 4096 > >This will make sure the proper fragment size will be applied >upon formatting the created partitions. OK. Thanks. I am guessing that this is really the one and probably _only_ thing that might really make any significant difference, performance- wise, right? I mean if the partition is improperly aligned, that really only would affect reading and/or writing at the very beginning or at the very end of the partition, right? Whereas this -f parameter for newfs is, I gather, the thing that really tells the kernel the size of the physical chunks of data that it can/should read/write to the drive at any one time, right? And while we are on the subject... Has anybody ever down any analysis (i.e. benchmarking) to find out if -f 4096 is even the best number for a modern high(er) capacity drive? I'm just sort-of wondering if 8192 or 16384 might be better. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 22:13:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092E2230 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:13:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63968FC0C for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444465081B for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:13:29 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <50A2002B.9040003@qeng-ho.org> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:13:29 -0800 Message-ID: <4153.1352844809@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:13:30 -0000 In message <50A2002B.9040003@qeng-ho.org>, Arthur Chance wrote: >According to the manual as of 9.0-RELEASE the default fragment and block >sizes for newfs are 4k and 32k, so provided your partitions/slices are >4k aligned everything Should Just Work. Before 9.0 fragments and blocks >were 2k and 16k which doesn't play so well with 4k drives. Thank you Arthur for pointing this out. This comes as welcome news, since now, it would seem, I won't have to get down a grunge around trying to run the command line versions of fdisk, bsdlabel, and newfs. (Normally, I prefer doing most things from the command line, but initializing new disks for use with FreeBSD is one of the rare exceptional cases where I prefer to have a bit of a GUI wrapper that's double checking to make sure that I don't do anything completely goofy.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 22:19:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A54A41E for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:19:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kingedgar@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035828FC14 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fo13so746945vcb.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:19:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Zg/ODhqdE7JLuSgU3tmaXlO3T25cFU6MMLjkhUrph0Y=; b=rsmNbI1RvU5dy0XlvodSapOa137Wr2yDFBCB4Q8+taf7FTO5yo0ddCyG3ZZlaVgHC4 Ow1nMfcxTLD2toiCdWIJqRMGgJVcoXTBElhMjM6BY3sLYXbHqumZI3ASMlIAok9VRvyQ b2svuA+d3BEcHKpUKzyrmFXxtmyVyrwy5cPZK36fCUJ+cPBgCzmoX/dDG6gYd//I2odY I50PIi01oLfubh4u1xsNZluyn13a7dPR0SN69Xba507IiQ7YG1OgHimJon2P+LkLbF+r U9pUj5cMhI1glaToTegIOxJIYMITDffzvkTKWW52cABeBPpWTK+FBwR75bhGW3vyWNNF 12PA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.70.83 with SMTP id k19mr24172302vdu.89.1352845145232; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.247.65 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:19:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201211121813.20966.lumiwa@gmail.com> References: <201211121726.58712.lumiwa@gmail.com> <168921352764004@web16h.yandex.ru> <201211121813.20966.lumiwa@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:19:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: portsnap From: Jason Garrett To: FreeBSD-Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:19:06 -0000 On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, ajtiM wrote: > On Monday 12 November 2012 17:46:44 Aldis Berjoza wrote: > > 13.11.2012, 01:27, "ajtiM" : > > > Hi! > > > > > > Is it something wrong with portsnap server or is something wrong with > my > > > system. When I run portsnap...: > > > portsnap fetch update > > > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found. > > > Fetching snapshot tag from your-org.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. > > > Latest snapshot on server matches what we already have. > > > No updates needed. > > > Ports tree is already up to date. > > > > > > but on http://www.freshports.org/ are many new ports (I like update > > > Sage). > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Mitja > > > > It takes some time for mirrors to catch up. > > But is it about 12 hours okay (maybe more)? > Thanks. > > Mitja > -------- > I have the same problem going on 2 days now... > http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 23:02:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1C5DCC; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:02:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christer.solskogen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9644D8FC13; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so1146913lah.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:02:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=zRWp6XJxqmjcd4TQZ6FsWxt6WouY0SsSjwPFthygKlw=; b=X0Od95HY7Vd0X2YHH/mArxGSG3Z7rFFgQUDPuhckavYaBgRRAhGUUuNgt5lI/kgxDq ZeplezzBRB9JTNRwYe6/Puwj27hxH42H9uaflgOhfGR9hvTothH9zghPJehk9bzwhfUB 3H9vnG2UrQOFnoA67tWV2fnFpUOCnlZJC1svmEFvVeGIgX0ocZ9uTcbCh6qy2/Z2MEcT B8Nc9KkXa4SLusdKXPxtIoeDNMiaiUhL1OYwVjS7KRzIV1gVHl6BC4wyOwRldRdae/Sp C4UfihJnVjukvmo2OD7WhA9LwCUqOfWDrjkGZkkmgIST7fFx5CPXTrl4ScK6dD+7Tnlp ZPRg== Received: by 10.152.144.70 with SMTP id sk6mr9149598lab.27.1352847726281; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:02:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.39.132 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:01:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201211121726.58712.lumiwa@gmail.com> <168921352764004@web16h.yandex.ru> <201211121813.20966.lumiwa@gmail.com> From: Christer Solskogen Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:01:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: portsnap To: Jason Garrett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD-Questions , freebsd-ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:02:08 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Jason Garrett wrote: > On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:13 PM, ajtiM wrote: > >> On Monday 12 November 2012 17:46:44 Aldis Berjoza wrote: >> > 13.11.2012, 01:27, "ajtiM" : >> > > Hi! >> > > >> > > Is it something wrong with portsnap server or is something wrong with >> my >> > > system. When I run portsnap...: >> > > portsnap fetch update >> > > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found. >> > > Fetching snapshot tag from your-org.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. >> > > Latest snapshot on server matches what we already have. >> > > No updates needed. >> > > Ports tree is already up to date. >> > > >> > > but on http://www.freshports.org/ are many new ports (I like update >> > > Sage). >> > > >> > > Thanks in advance. >> > > >> > > Mitja >> > >> > It takes some time for mirrors to catch up. >> >> But is it about 12 hours okay (maybe more)? >> Thanks. >> >> Mitja >> -------- >> > > I have the same problem going on 2 days now... > Same. This is in Europe. -- chs, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 13 23:41:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DFD5C6 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68418FC08 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail.dweimer.net [192.168.5.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qADNRovM003394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:27:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:27:50 -0600 From: dweimer To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Custom ISO mount script problem Organization: dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 23:41:03 -0000 I have a server that I use to host ISO images, and mount them so they are available via network shares. I ran into a problem today, I temporarily made an ISO image accessible via a md device and mounted it under /mnt just to check the data on the ISO image. My ISO mount script ran its updated check while this was there, and hung up because of it. Now the obvious solution is to fix my script, but as I am baffled as to why it hung-up, it does do a query on md devices, and will try to dismount any that are mounted if they don't match its criteria, and delete the md device as well. However as it would have found this one in use, it should have just returned a failure and continued on. However it didn't and then when I tried to manually umount it, my umount command hung as well. What I was left with was two umount commands attempting to umount /dev/md1000 both stuck, they wouldn't respond to a kill -9 I couldn't use mdconfig -d -u 1000 to delete the md device, even with a -o force (had yet another process stuck). After 1 hour all processes were still hung, killing the shell left them zombied, but still hung there, tying up the md device. I was left with rebooting the server, until I can figure out why my script broke and didn't just error and continue the remaining checks in its list. Does anyone have any idea how if this happens again to kill these hung-up umount processes, without rebooting the server? This could be a fun one to fix, because so far attempting to duplicate the problem hasn't worked, think I just have to time something just right, or wrong depended how you look at it. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 00:46:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FB8DA8 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3DA8FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id qAE0kpw0084082; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:46:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:46:51 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201211140046.qAE0kpw0084082@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, rfg@tristatelogic.com Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <4073.1352844470@tristatelogic.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:46:16 -0000 > From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" > Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 14:07:50 -0800 > > > And while we are on the subject... Has anybody ever down any analysis > (i.e. benchmarking) to find out if -f 4096 is even the best number for > a modern high(er) capacity drive? I'm just sort-of wondering if 8192 > or 16384 might be better. As long as the fragment size is a power-of-two multiple of the media sector size, there is no significant performance difference. The only case where a larger fragment size makes any difference is heavy random i/o on files where the larger fragment size translates to one less level of indirect block in the meta-data. Larger fragment sizes also make for more 'waste' space in the 'used' part of the disk, assuming random file sizes. And reduce the space savings gained by _not_ writing 'holes' to disk. For these reasons, in general, small is better. > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 01:02:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9E7FF1 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avstin@mail.ru) Received: from fallback4.mail.ru (fallback4.mail.ru [94.100.176.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0B68FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from f263.mail.ru (f263.mail.ru [217.69.128.184]) by fallback4.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id 1F06414DACF for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:02:00 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; 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+0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608CF8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id PD7e1k0034XeM0101D7eKu; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:07:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:10:14 -0000 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to > > > > > > > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'? > > > > > > Jawohl mein Herr! :-) > > > > > What, no comma!? > > what the Playboy did to the German language ... > > Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was obviously a > mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after decades of no > comma in the tag line. do you mean that it was "Play boy"? or what? what was the tag line? > > You know, while in other countries man could say that they read Playboy > only because of the articles, in Germany they read Playboy only to check > on the comma. :-) funny. I, of course, =always= read playboy for the articles, just like every other guy. {that line goes back to the early 1970s. at least.} gary > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 01:22:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417A781E for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17BB8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so10581566vba.13 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:22:16 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ZFvxC5ZnwtprLhbc3fPKkfuHyZtXq6sBzt4Jk49xhuE=; b=lCLP3CJk89YROvdZHocAW6yhaIVHnBgtVn6FhZOHG4cLysTDnLfFZE5qCnNwwq7992 jWA9Krl5t0adHgxciAGlnyGjw6XHSdaiMrCI2WkXPafB8xkPVh16XdT/aFCO3i3tQIee zmSxkt5qv5KR8aDiIvvw0mj3Ixy8DHUwvyfKaV2Qk9prqYr86f5EuOeezi1GmCml8v2y oWO8AitkASHWVl0jS6INgtlhlm3kHI1ZaPh4P97Y2+9ssPgc/SuaturYjvrllytWfzrv Ddqqigvb8554CXfZqMR1Zo6+c6GEJ/jLll69D0zfvvX9aXtRiEf0SyVNPyRMwLRPWMOH HuIw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.172.103 with SMTP id bb7mr30127766vec.41.1352856136616; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:22:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.226.202 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:22:16 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.211] In-Reply-To: <4073.1352844470@tristatelogic.com> References: <20121113073030.87bc0608.freebsd@edvax.de> <4073.1352844470@tristatelogic.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:22:16 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? From: David Brodbeck To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQle3oNRjTqq5fFM9AW0BgQZe4dykxp06C334ru4XgZLAo8fZne/34pr7odxFxqzGxlY/gdg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:22:18 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > >You can then easily use newfs with the -f parameter: > > > > newfs -U -f 4096 > > > >This will make sure the proper fragment size will be applied > >upon formatting the created partitions. > > OK. Thanks. I am guessing that this is really the one and probably > _only_ thing that might really make any significant difference, > performance- > wise, right? I mean if the partition is improperly aligned, that really > only would affect reading and/or writing at the very beginning or at the > very end of the partition, right? No, I think it'll affect the whole thing, because every block will be straddling two 4k sectors instead of filling one. Then the drive has to read and rewrite two sectors for every one block you write, instead of just one, slowing things down to half speed. Imagine running across the top of a picket fence...if you start half a fencepost off things are going to be painful. ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 01:26:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9B08E5 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4350C8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from X220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.203.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAE1Q0rB018432; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:26:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121114082600.48d0f681@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:26:07 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800 Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800 > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to > > > > > > > > > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'? > > > > > > > > Jawohl mein Herr! :-) > > > > > > > What, no comma!? > > > > what the Playboy did to the German language ... > > > > Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was > > obviously a mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after > > decades of no comma in the tag line. > > > do you mean that it was "Play boy"? or what? what was the tag > line? > Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht Playboy corrected this meanwhile as you can see on www.playboy.de. Just on the side. Does playboy.com still mirror FreeBSD as they did many years ago? Erich > > > > You know, while in other countries man could say that they read > > Playboy only because of the articles, in Germany they read Playboy > > only to check on the comma. > > > :-) funny. I, of course, =always= read playboy for the > articles, just like every other guy. {that line goes back to the > early 1970s. at least.} > A brother-in-law does this for another professional reason. He does or did those days plastic surgery and has had to see the results of other people's work. Of course, he was also interested in the articles. Listening to his comments was more fun than reading the humour page of Playboy. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 01:35:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2DFB9A for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6348FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D665127744; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:35:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAE1ZhDk002044; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:35:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:35:43 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-Id: <20121114023543.0a1737eb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121113185040.GA2570@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113090812.97e1c6a1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113185040.GA2570@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:35:47 -0000 On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:50:40 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:08:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my > > > > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in. > > > > > > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like > > > > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > > > > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} > > > > > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server? > > > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing > > > tao to ethic. > > > > The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while > > the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on > > FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration > > and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that > > specific service (that has to be enabled). > > > hmmm. that might be it. my firewall is in a nice small, 4w netgear > box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that > I never studied. yuk. I assume your "HW firewall" protects you to the outside. Of course it should allow SSH connections from the outside to the "tao" box _if_ you want it that way. But I was thinking about the firewall run by the Fedora OS that might block SSH connections to "tao", no matter from where they come, just as if you would have set up FreeBSD's ipfw with the default to deny connections: without explicitely enabling SSH connections the server cannot be reached, no matter if it's running. > > > > The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're > > > > using and is very different among the Linusi. > > > > > > rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had > > > trouble with ssh, even with FBSD. > > > > There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server > > set up on Fedora: > > > > http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH > > > > Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article > > also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly. > > > > > thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to. Check if the Techotopia article matches your version of Fedora. It shows how to install and enable the SSH server and also mentions the "built-in" firewall that has to be configured to allow connections to that server. >From my limited experience with Fedora (haven't used it for some time), this looks like what you need to do. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 02:08:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBB5156 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74EEA8FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAE28dZx048634; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAE28dik048631; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:08:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:08:39 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <4073.1352844470@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <4073.1352844470@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:08:39 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:08:40 -0000 On Tue, 13 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > OK. I think that I always was doing that anyway. But I want to be sure > that I understand... If the size of the BSD partition is a multiple of, > say, !MB, then the _alignment_ of that partition will likewise (auto- > magically) be at least 1MB also? No. If you start with $0.63, and only add full dollars or tens, you will still never have an integer amount of dollars. > Or do I need to set the alignment separately, e.g. my manually running > bsdlabel? (Normally, I've just been using what noadays is being > called "guided" partitioning, you know, with the friendly curses-based > GUI. So As with fdisk, I have no real experience using bsdlabee from > teh command line. But I guess it is time that i learned how.) I don't know of a way to make fdisk and bsdlabel do the correct alignment. But that's okay, because gpart(8) does everything they do, and more. Creating MBRs and bsdlabels is more work, but gpart can do it, and do the juggling to get the bsdlabel partitions to line up. Again, I suggest that GPT is the much easier and more versatile way. But if you insist on MBR/bsdlabel, there are examples of creating it with gpart in the new gmirror section of the GEOM chapter of the Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/geom-mirror.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 03:04:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB2AC04 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:04:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B308FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAE34XF0033439; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:04:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <50A30980.2010600@bananmonarki.se> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:01:20 +0100 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120929 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:04:38 -0000 2012-11-13 06:22, Gary Kline skrev: > > guys, > > hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get ssh working > from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is running a > flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the old, broken > tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, linux is > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in. > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} > > anybody know what im NOT doing? You have to start the ssh daemon (sshd) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 03:04:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AABC05 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:04:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAEB8FC18 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882233CCAA; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:58:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAE2wEuD002531; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:58:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:58:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-Id: <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121114082600.48d0f681@X220.ovitrap.com> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> <20121114082600.48d0f681@X220.ovitrap.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:04:42 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800 > Gary Kline wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800 > > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'? > > > > > > > > > > Jawohl mein Herr! :-) > > > > > > > > > What, no comma!? > > > > > > what the Playboy did to the German language ... > > > > > > Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was > > > obviously a mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after > > > decades of no comma in the tag line. > > > > > > do you mean that it was "Play boy"? or what? what was the tag > > line? > > > Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht Ouch. Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there is the "word order" that achieves this goal, and a comma is mostly optional or "left to preferences". In German, there are rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not leave much space for individual preferences. :-) In the above example, Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht or better using a hyphen Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page in a correct manner. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 03:51:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA73329 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:51:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2EA8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id PFoP1k0054XeM0101FoQUr; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:48:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:48:24 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121114034823.GC16091@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> <20121114082600.48d0f681@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Erich Dollansky , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:51:02 -0000 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 03:58:14AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800 > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht > > Ouch. > > Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol > in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there > is the "word order" that achieves this goal, and a comma is > mostly optional or "left to preferences". In German, there are > rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules > are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not > leave much space for individual preferences. :-) > > In the above example, > > Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht > > or better using a hyphen > > Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht > > would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page > in a correct manner. > So! this explains a lot that I've noticed over the years. remember that im beyong =getting= old; I really Am old. before I started high school, the rules for commas were almost set in concrete. my english teacher took points off if there was an incorrect comma. it looks like in germany language has remained very strict. {but then, that's why punctuation exists.} I've noticed an easing of punctuation--esp'ly in the use of commas--in how I was taught. but let's face it: it's easier to text by slacking off. :) > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 04:11:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907686B1 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:11:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6177E8FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:11:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id PG981k0034XeM0101G98mB; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:09:08 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:09:08 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121114040908.GD16091@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113090812.97e1c6a1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113185040.GA2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114023543.0a1737eb.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121114023543.0a1737eb.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:11:44 -0000 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 02:35:43AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that > > I never studied. yuk. > > I assume your "HW firewall" protects you to the outside. Of > course it should allow SSH connections from the outside to > the "tao" box _if_ you want it that way. my netgear and pfSense setup surprised me this afternoon. the initial setup listed my internal IP as 10.47.0.114, but something I did changed the DHCP leases section to 10.47.0.113 . after that, I could ssh out and then ssh back to tao. > But I was thinking about the firewall run by the Fedora OS > that might block SSH connections to "tao", no matter from > where they come, just as if you would have set up FreeBSD's > ipfw with the default to deny connections: without explicitely > enabling SSH connections the server cannot be reached, no > matter if it's running. > I havent used ipfw for many years. the most recent firewall I ran was on FBSD 5.X and was {i think} "pfw". I got quite good at it. I should learn more about plain "pf" and pfSense. do you know if pf/pfsense defaults to DENY incoming connections? that would explain a Lot! > > > > > > The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're > > > > > using and is very different among the Linusi. > > > > > > > > rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had > > > > trouble with ssh, even with FBSD. > > > > > > There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server > > > set up on Fedora: > > > > > > http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH > > > > > > Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article > > > also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly. > > > > > > > > > thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to. > > Check if the Techotopia article matches your version of Fedora. > It shows how to install and enable the SSH server and also > mentions the "built-in" firewall that has to be configured > to allow connections to that server. the URL you had was fedora-13; what I installed fedora-17. and just recently--maybe when I rebooted--i saw fedora-19[?] not sure... . > > >From my limited experience with Fedora (haven't used it for some > time), this looks like what you need to do. > well, the deal is that my volunteer system admin worked for red hat for about 5 years. I'm more used to ubuntu, but my friend says that im on my own.... anyway, things are starting to eork. [!] > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 04:13:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A150775 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from mail.shire.net (mail.shire.net [199.102.78.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022148FC15 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-27-96-201.hsd1.ut.comcast.net ([76.27.96.201] helo=[192.168.99.216]) by mail.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TYTX2-000BVR-BT; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:20:52 -0700 Subject: Re: well, try here first... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D1230EA2-8064-4E1C-9884-6C1C1116BA76"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: "Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC" In-Reply-To: <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:20:51 -0700 Message-Id: References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> <20121114082600.48d0f681@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 76.27.96.201 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Chad Leigh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:13:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D1230EA2-8064-4E1C-9884-6C1C1116BA76 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > Ouch. >=20 > Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol > in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there > is the "word order" that achieves this goal, and a comma is > mostly optional or "left to preferences". In German, there are > rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules > are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not > leave much space for individual preferences. :-) >=20 > In the above example, >=20 > Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht >=20 > or better using a hyphen >=20 > Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht >=20 > would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page > in a correct manner. To be fair, a lot of the same rules exist for English. The comma is not = optional or left to preferences in English, either. There are definite = rules and it brings structure. Unfortunately, lots of people forget = (or don't pay attention to) these rules, or, they are casual with them = in the casual forms of communication, like email. (And there are some = people who believe that the "text" language is English -- OMG, WTF, GR8, = B4, LOL, etc -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_language ) Wie mit deutscher Sprache, man kann (mit englischer Sprache) vieles mit = der Wortstellung machen. Und dazu, ist, nat=FCrlich, die richtige = Anwendung (und Verst=E4ndnis) der Grammatik wichtig. (Like with the German language, one can do a lot with word order (in = English). And for that, the proper use and understanding of Grammar is = important) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eats,_Shoots_%26_Leaves Und "Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht" ist 100% verst=E4ndlich auf = deutsch, da es einen richtigen Dativ Kasus gibt, im Gegensatz zu = englischer Sprache. (and "playboy -- everything that is fun for men" [in German] is 100% = understandable in German, because there is a real dative case in German, = unlike in english.) Gruss aus Utah Chad --Apple-Mail=_D1230EA2-8064-4E1C-9884-6C1C1116BA76-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 04:19:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51732933 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281B08FC16 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by m1plsmtpa01-05.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id PGGW1k00B4XeM0101GGWgM; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:16:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:16:31 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Bernt Hansson Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121114041630.GE16091@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <50A30980.2010600@bananmonarki.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50A30980.2010600@bananmonarki.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:19:07 -0000 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:01:20AM +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2012-11-13 06:22, Gary Kline skrev: > > > > guys, > > > > hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get ssh working > > from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is running a > > flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the old, broken > > tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, linux is > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in. > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.} > > > > anybody know what im NOT doing? > > You have to start the ssh daemon (sshd) this may have been what did the trick; also, you need the full path. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 04:22:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB26A22 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DD58FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5007277A0; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:22:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAE4Mh7U002777; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:22:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:22:43 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-Id: <20121114052243.ae6a24c4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121114040908.GD16091@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113090812.97e1c6a1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113185040.GA2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114023543.0a1737eb.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121114040908.GD16091@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:22:46 -0000 On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:09:08 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 02:35:43AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that > > > I never studied. yuk. > > > > I assume your "HW firewall" protects you to the outside. Of > > course it should allow SSH connections from the outside to > > the "tao" box _if_ you want it that way. > > > my netgear and pfSense setup surprised me this afternoon. the > initial setup listed my internal IP as > > 10.47.0.114, > > but something I did changed the DHCP leases section to > > 10.47.0.113 . > > after that, I could ssh out and then ssh back to tao. If you have the option of configuring the DHCP subsystem to hand out IPs according to MAC addresses, that should make you safe from reboots and _possible_ new IPs. (At least that's how I've configured my home system so every device will get the same IP, no matter how or when it requests one from the DHCP server. It also includes certain port redirections so a SSH request from external source will _always_ be directed to the _correct_ machine on the LAN.) > > But I was thinking about the firewall run by the Fedora OS > > that might block SSH connections to "tao", no matter from > > where they come, just as if you would have set up FreeBSD's > > ipfw with the default to deny connections: without explicitely > > enabling SSH connections the server cannot be reached, no > > matter if it's running. > > > > I havent used ipfw for many years. the most recent firewall I > ran was on FBSD 5.X and was {i think} "pfw". I got quite good > at it. I should learn more about plain "pf" and pfSense. > do you know if pf/pfsense defaults to DENY incoming connections? > that would explain a Lot! That depends on the pre-configuration of the firewall on the Linux side. From reading the article I've mentioned, I got the impression that the firewall would deny SSH connections per default, and that _you_ would have to enable it if you wanted to use that service. That is comparable to OpenBSD's "service disabled by default" policy. I'm still not sure if this idea will get much love or understanding in Linux land where an "do everything out of the box" experience seems to be very important among some distributions. :-) On FreeBSD, ipfw can DEFAULT_TO_DENY or DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT, and you have to specify your rules usually according to the chosen paradigm. Of course, there are rules to achieve the same effect, even if in the opposite paradigm. > > > > > > The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're > > > > > > using and is very different among the Linusi. > > > > > > > > > > rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had > > > > > trouble with ssh, even with FBSD. > > > > > > > > There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server > > > > set up on Fedora: > > > > > > > > http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_Fedora_Linux_Remote_Access_using_SSH > > > > > > > > Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article > > > > also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to. > > > > Check if the Techotopia article matches your version of Fedora. > > It shows how to install and enable the SSH server and also > > mentions the "built-in" firewall that has to be configured > > to allow connections to that server. > > > the URL you had was fedora-13; what I installed fedora-17. > and just recently--maybe when I rebooted--i saw fedora-19[?] > not sure... . Then there's the possibility that things have changed. Even though there should not be a massive or paradigm-wide shift in things, you never know when using automated updating on Linux. Still the instructions should be usable at least to identify the steps involved and the tools to be used. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 04:48:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6C59F for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6828FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE37B277AA; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:48:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAE4mnC4002830; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:48:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:48:48 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC" Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-Id: <20121114054848.3a35510f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> <20121114082600.48d0f681@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:48:50 -0000 On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:20:51 -0700, Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote: >=20 > On Nov 13, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Polytropon wrote: > >=20 > > Ouch. > >=20 > > Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol > > in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there > > is the "word order" that achieves this goal, and a comma is > > mostly optional or "left to preferences". In German, there are > > rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules > > are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not > > leave much space for individual preferences. :-) > >=20 > > In the above example, > >=20 > > Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht > >=20 > > or better using a hyphen > >=20 > > Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht > >=20 > > would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page > > in a correct manner. >=20 > To be fair, a lot of the same rules exist for English. The comma > is not optional or left to preferences in English, either. There > are definite rules and it brings structure.=20 That matches what I've learned in school, but it doesn't match realitiy anymore. :-) A famous thing is "comma in lists": Unlike German, where "and" substitutes a comma, in English it seems to be valid to put a comma infront of "and": He bought a glass, a towel, a toothpick, and a nose. In German, that would be Er kaufte ein Glas, ein Handtuch, einen Zahnstocker und eine Nase. There are in fact only two exceptions of "comma prior to 'and'" in German. But I don't want to start a school lesson here. The exceptions are closures and appended main clause. :-) > Unfortunately, lots of people forget (or don't pay attention to) > these rules, or, they are casual with them in the casual forms of > communication, like email.=20 Well, I don't think that the e-mail (as a medium) implies abandoning rules for written language. Sure, it's "sloppy" very often, but it should not mangle the languge in a way that the reader has to guess or to ask for what the writer wanted to express. Proper spelling and punctuation help a lot, and it should not be "too much struggle" to get it right: children learn it in the early years in school, so why should adults forget it? > (And there are some people who believe that the "text" language > is English -- OMG, WTF, GR8, B4, LOL, etc -- > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_language ) There is also a transition of this written representation to spoken language - some (young) people actually speaking like SMS. I don't think that people actually confuse SMS text with the actual english language. They could have done so almost 100 years ago with Q groups and abbreviations used in amateur radio telegraphy (and even in phone mode), ok dr om, hw? :-) All those "specific language deviations" have their place and are fully valid. It depends on context. For example, if you got a business letter with every 3rd word spelled wrong and containing "SMS and L33T slang", would you take it as a serious information? Form and content have to match. Nobody would accept a tax form printed on toilet paper, even if it would be 100% correct in all content and number details. > Wie mit deutscher Sprache, man kann (mit englischer Sprache) vieles > mit der Wortstellung machen. Und dazu, ist, nat=FCrlich, die richtige > Anwendung (und Verst=E4ndnis) der Grammatik wichtig. Sure it is, but it's not about an 1:1 translation. You need to "think in German" if you want to get it fully right. Baumkuchen... :-) Your sentence would have been: In der deutschen Sprache kann man (wie in der englischen Sprache) vieles mit der Wortstellung machen. Dazu ist nat=FCrlich die richtige Anwendung (und das Verstaendnis) der Grammatik wichtig. That is little difference, but it makes a big difference in readability. Note that the structure of a sentence, aided by punctuation, is an important part during the reading experience. Sentences that do not show any structure are hard to read and to understand, and a missing comma can decide about life or death easily: KILL HIM NOT WAIT UNTIL I ARRIVE It's either "kill him, not wait until I arrive" or "kill him not, wait until I arrive", and this translation is not very good as "nicht" ~=3D "do not" cannot be represented so nicely as in the german equivalent "sentence". Er begann seinen Hut auf dem Kopf zu essen. is another (famous) example of how a missing comma can confuse the reader: "He started eating the hat on his head" is the first interpretation, even if "He started eating, (having) the hat on his head", and the comma already makes this difference. > (Like with the German language, one can do a lot with word order > (in English). And for that, the proper use and understanding of > Grammar is important) >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eats,_Shoots_%26_Leaves Haha, nice! :-) But pleese pay atension too, the new englis orfograffy which make`s every thing easyer to under stand and, more freedems to mak punctation and les speeling errer's. Funkzionier't auch in, Deutsch! :-) > Und "Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht" ist 100% verst=E4ndlich > auf deutsch, da es einen richtigen Dativ Kasus gibt, im Gegensatz > zu englischer Sprache. It may be 100% understandable, but it's not correct, because it's not a sentence or a grammatically valid construct. The translation would have been (quite literally, I admit): Playboy everything what men fun makes Again, a hyphen after the 1st word would it much more readable. > (and "playboy -- everything that is fun for men" [in German] is > 100% understandable in German, because there is a real dative case > in German, unlike in english.) In _that_ translation, you've used the hyphen correctly (which was missing in the german version discussed). PS: I'm admittedly a language nutsee, so I'm allowed to be right, at least in my native language. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 05:27:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7170AC41 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from mail.shire.net (mail.shire.net [199.102.78.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E8F8FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:27:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-27-96-201.hsd1.ut.comcast.net ([76.27.96.201] helo=[192.168.99.216]) by mail.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TYVVi-000Eyk-V0; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:27:39 -0700 Subject: Re: well, try here first... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D570C636-96C8-4951-A640-F0ED50A89EF1"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: "Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC" In-Reply-To: <20121114054848.3a35510f.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:27:37 -0700 Message-Id: References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> <20121114082600.48d0f681@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121114054848.3a35510f.freebsd@edvax.de> To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 76.27.96.201 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Chad Leigh X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:27:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D570C636-96C8-4951-A640-F0ED50A89EF1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Polytropon wrote: > That matches what I've learned in school, but it doesn't match > realitiy anymore. :-) >=20 > A famous thing is "comma in lists": Unlike German, where "and" > substitutes a comma, in English it seems to be valid to put a > comma infront of "and": >=20 > He bought a glass, a towel, a toothpick, and a nose. >=20 > In German, that would be >=20 > Er kaufte ein Glas, ein Handtuch, einen Zahnstocker > und eine Nase. This is interesting, because the comma before the "and" in a list is = much more understandable, because it is open to less interpretation. = This is where the "eats shoots and leaves" comes in, kind of. There are = similar examples where ambiguity arises from the lack of a comma before = "and" in a list. The comma before the "and" is traditional English. = There are, however, lots of people who advocate for the lack of a comma = before the "and" in a list and that is taught in some classes in some = schools. I don't claim to be a great German speaker or writer. I have not = visited there in 12 years nor lived there in almost 20 years. But = people at least can understand me and I can get my point across. :) Most of my post was meant to support what you were saying, btw. As = well as give examples and interesting tidbits. I agree that proper = grammar is important in language, even when I don't always use it or do = it; especially in informal speech like email lists, forums, etc. > But pleese pay atension too, the new englis orfograffy which > make`s every thing easyer to under stand and, more freedems > to mak punctation and les speeling errer's. >=20 > Funkzionier't auch in, Deutsch! :-) You must really be taking a conniption fit with the changes (Verbilligen = -- cheapening -- though the exact words I was searching for have failed = me tonight) that have happened in German in the last 10 or so years ( = striking of =DF; to always be written with "ss" now, etc)... >>=20 >> Und "Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht" ist 100% verst=E4ndlich >> auf deutsch, da es einen richtigen Dativ Kasus gibt, im Gegensatz >> zu englischer Sprache. >=20 > It may be 100% understandable, but it's not correct, because it's > not a sentence or a grammatically valid construct. The translation > would have been (quite literally, I admit): >=20 > Playboy everything what men fun makes Actually, no. A more correct translation would be: Playboy = everything that to men fun makes. [Or, if you wanted the same mistake (lack of comma or hyphen) but proper = English word order: Playboy everything that is fun for men.] "M=E4nnern" is dative case, which, when used without a preposition, is = best translated as "to " where is written with = dative case endings. >=20 > Again, a hyphen after the 1st word would it much more readable. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> (and "playboy -- everything that is fun for men" [in German] is >> 100% understandable in German, because there is a real dative case >> in German, unlike in english.) >=20 > In _that_ translation, you've used the hyphen correctly (which was > missing in the german version discussed). >=20 Yes, my bad. I was trying to write it the same but fixed it = unconsciously. regards Chad --Apple-Mail=_D570C636-96C8-4951-A640-F0ED50A89EF1-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 05:47:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E475198 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:47:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D1A8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:47:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBFF3CE51; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:47:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAE5lTtR003029; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:47:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:47:29 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC" Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-Id: <20121114064729.308e0f13.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> <20121114082600.48d0f681@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121114054848.3a35510f.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:47:31 -0000 On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:27:37 -0700, Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote: >=20 > On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > > That matches what I've learned in school, but it doesn't match > > realitiy anymore. :-) > >=20 > > A famous thing is "comma in lists": Unlike German, where "and" > > substitutes a comma, in English it seems to be valid to put a > > comma infront of "and": > >=20 > > He bought a glass, a towel, a toothpick, and a nose. > >=20 > > In German, that would be > >=20 > > Er kaufte ein Glas, ein Handtuch, einen Zahnstocker > > und eine Nase. >=20 >=20 > This is interesting, because the comma before the "and" in a list > is much more understandable, because it is open to less interpretation.=20 This is different to "'and' substitutes a comma", but makes sense. For example, I prefer reading the english documentation of FreeBSD (manpages, handbook, FAQ and articles) over their often sloppily and quite "mechanically" done translations. Good quality in documentation helps to raise the quality of the complete product. > This is where the "eats shoots and leaves" comes in, kind of. > There are similar examples where ambiguity arises from the > lack of a comma before "and" in a list. The comma before > the "and" is traditional English. Interesting, thanks for this pointer. So "modern English" is what makes the difference here... > There are, however, lots of people who advocate for the lack > of a comma before the "and" in a list and that is taught in > some classes in some schools. This kind of arbitraryness is not good. Whatever "way" is preferred, it should be used consistently. > I don't claim to be a great German speaker or writer. I have > not visited there in 12 years nor lived there in almost 20 years.=20 > But people at least can understand me and I can get my point > across. :) With enough mental variability, that shouldn't be a problem. :-) > Most of my post was meant to support what you were saying, btw. =20 > As well as give examples and interesting tidbits. I agree that > proper grammar is important in language, even when I don't always > use it or do it; especially in informal speech like email lists, > forums, etc. Personally I do not "make" such differences. Proper spelling is easier (at least for me) than artificially avoiding it, like _not_ putting a comma where it belongs to, _not_ capitalizing a word that is to be capitalized, or _not_ using the proper spelling in favour of some "variant". However, I'm not considered "normal" so whatever I do does not imply anything. :-) > > But pleese pay atension too, the new englis orfograffy which > > make`s every thing easyer to under stand and, more freedems > > to mak punctation and les speeling errer's. > >=20 > > Funkzionier't auch in, Deutsch! :-) >=20 >=20 > You must really be taking a conniption fit with the changes > (Verbilligen -- cheapening -- though the exact words I was > searching for have failed me tonight) that have happened in > German in the last 10 or so years ( striking of =DF; to always > be written with "ss" now, etc)... The Eszett has been abolished in Switzerland, not in Germany. The "new" rule (historically: old, has been abolished after about 100 years in use because too much prone to errors) says something about "short vs. long vowels" which is nonsense (as vowel length depends on dialect, not on spelling), so some valid =DF get turned into ss. Effect: Most valid =DF get turned into ss, and even some innocent s get turned into ss, like Massband or Zeugniss. :-) I'm still looking for a valid translation of "bespa=DFen", an accusative-passive construct of "to entertain somebody". :-) > >> Und "Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht" ist 100% verst=E4ndlich > >> auf deutsch, da es einen richtigen Dativ Kasus gibt, im Gegensatz > >> zu englischer Sprache. > >=20 > > It may be 100% understandable, but it's not correct, because it's > > not a sentence or a grammatically valid construct. The translation > > would have been (quite literally, I admit): > >=20 > > Playboy everything what men fun makes >=20 > Actually, no. A more correct translation would be: > Playboy everything that to men fun makes. Yes, that's much more valid, that's why I wrote "literally", which means sloppy and possibly wrong, because I didn't find a proper way to have the dative case "encoding" without adding additional words, so it's even wronger. :-) > [Or, if you wanted the same mistake (lack of comma or hyphen) but > proper English word order: Playboy everything that is fun for men.] Whom is it fun for? +Dativ. Whom is it fun to? +Dativ. Sadly, I can't bring the "Dativ joke" here: Ulli hat Dativ mitgebracht - f=FCr jedem einem. Ulli has brought Dativ - one for everyone. Yes, the translation isn't funny anymore. :-( > "M=E4nnern" is dative case, which, when used without a preposition, > is best translated as "to " where is written > with dative case endings. Case endings and clear preposition requirements are something much stronger for example in the russian language. They are represented even in spelling. Here we have to get them from context. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 06:44:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DA3BD8 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:44:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from elias_chr@otenet.gr) Received: from echidna.otenet.gr (echidna.otenet.gr [83.235.69.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972348FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pluto.universe (ppp-94-69-75-250.home.otenet.gr [94.69.75.250]) by echidna.otenet.gr (ESMTP) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:37:49 +0200 (EET) From: Elias Chrysocheris To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:37:47 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.3-RELEASE-p3; KDE/4.8.4; amd64; ; ) References: <201211121726.58712.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201211121813.20966.lumiwa@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201211140837.47845.elias_chr@otenet.gr> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:44:13 -0000 Yeap. Same here: pluto# portsnap fetch update Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found. Fetching snapshot tag from ec2-eu-west-1.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. Latest snapshot on server matches what we already have. No updates needed. Ports tree is already up to date. How can it be possible? 3 years now that I use FreeBSD there was not even a single day that we didn't have updates in the ports tree. How can it be possible for two consecutive days to have "No updates needed."? Something is wrong... Regards Elias From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 06:57:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC75E7E for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6ED8FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id qAE6w2tT090220; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:58:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:58:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201211140658.qAE6w2tT090220@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd@edvax.de Subject: Re: well, try here first... In-Reply-To: <20121114054848.3a35510f.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:57:23 -0000 > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:48:48 +0100 > From: Polytropon > Subject: Re: well, try here first... > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:20:51 -0700, Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > > > To be fair, a lot of the same rules exist for English. The comma > > is not optional or left to preferences in English, either. There > > are definite rules and it brings structure. > > That matches what I've learned in school, but it doesn't match > realitiy anymore. :-) > > A famous thing is "comma in lists": Unlike German, where "and" > substitutes a comma, in English it seems to be valid to put a > comma infront of "and": In 'classic' English (as taught in the 60s and earlier), a comma was _required_ before a trailing 'and' in a list of 3 or more items, and forbidden if there were only two items. The famous "eats roots, shoots..." would parse as eating 3 objects, with the comma before the 'and'. for three actions, change the 'and' to 'then', comma before 'then'. If eating two objects, "eats roots AND shoots *comma* and..." (emphasis added) The accepted 'rules' changed about the time "new math" was foisted on the world. The most visible ones involved comma placement, and punctuation inside trailing quotes. The password is "frodo." It is 5 characters long. The password is "frodo." It is 6 characters long. BAH, HUMBUG!!! Make the first one: The password is "frodo". and all the ambiguity goes away. <*snarl*> > He bought a glass, a towel, a toothpick, and a nose. > > In German, that would be > > Er kaufte ein Glas, ein Handtuch, einen Zahnstocker > und eine Nase. how do you write: The sandwich choices are: tuna salad, chicken, roast beef and ham, and cheese. *without* making the last option a '{2 meats} and cheese' sandwich ?? (the next-to-last has two types of meat on it) <*EVIL* grin> > Note that the structure of a sentence, aided by > punctuation, is an important part during the reading experience. > Sentences that do not show any structure are hard to read and > to understand, and a missing comma can decide about life or > death easily: > > KILL HIM NOT WAIT UNTIL I ARRIVE the traditional one of these in English is: Go kill Joe Brown _who_ is to die depends on whether or not there is a comma after the second word. Ditto for who -does- the deed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 08:20:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E14ED1 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:20:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B478FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAE8KEYM030118 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:20:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:20:14 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:20:14 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:20:22 -0000 I needed to expand a /var partition, which required saving and restoring /var and /usr did the following: booted to backup disk dump -0aR -h 0 -f /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 /dev/ada0p4 (repeat for /tmp, /usr, / partitions to be safe) repartitioned the main disk using gpart newfs the modified partitions (var, tmp, usr) rewrote the boot block and boot partition (#1) mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var cd /mnt/ssd/var restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 Cannot find file dump list Any ideas why I get the "Cannot find file dump list"? What / where is it supposed to be? I was able to get some stuff back from one of the files, but only by doing: #restore -if /usr/backup/dump_usr_0_201121113_1920 restore > verbose restore > add libdata restore > extract Extract requested files You have not read any tapes yet If you are extracting just a few files, start with the last volume and work towards the first; restore can quickly skip tapes that have no further files to extract. Otherwise, begin with volume 1. Specify next volume #: 1 Mount tape volume 1 Enter "none" if there are no more tapes otherwise enter tape name (default: /usr/backup/dump_usr_0_20121113_1920) unknown tape header type -2 abort [yn] n resync restore, skipped 786 blocks extract file ... ... Add links Set directory mode, owner, and times. Set owner / mode for '.' [yn] y restore > If I did not enter after the "otherwise enter tape name", but rather entered "none" I did not get all of the desired contents. Can anyone shed light on this problem? I have been able to restore most everything from a cp I had done at the same time, but I'm not very confident in the results. Fortunately, user data was on a different disk. Obviously, should have done a restore -rN ... before repartitioning. Ugh. Related question: I now realize I should not have answered "y" to the set owner / mode question, as it changed the mode to the default for root instead of doing what I thought which was restoring the owner / mode to what was saved in the dump. Will restore -x /usr/backup/dump... correct the owner and mode? (and group and flags?) Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 08:30:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF76FF6 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229A88FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.155.60] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TYYMc-0002Cj-Lm; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:30:27 +0100 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qAE8UQCe001237; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:30:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id qAE8UPtb001236; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:30:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:30:24 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" Message-ID: <20121114083024.GA1227@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.155.60 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:30:31 -0000 El día Wednesday, November 14, 2012 a las 01:20:14AM -0700, Gary Aitken escribió: > I needed to expand a /var partition, > which required saving and restoring /var and /usr > > did the following: > booted to backup disk > dump -0aR -h 0 -f /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 /dev/ada0p4 > (repeat for /tmp, /usr, / partitions to be safe) > repartitioned the main disk using gpart > newfs the modified partitions (var, tmp, usr) > rewrote the boot block and boot partition (#1) > mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var > cd /mnt/ssd/var > restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 > Cannot find file dump list > > Any ideas why I get the "Cannot find file dump list"? > What / where is it supposed to be? You need to specify the file containing the DUMP with -f flag; and use the flag -r only to restore to the original location, or -x to restore into the current dir; check the man page for details; matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 08:57:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD97434 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CBA8FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB82A3CE1A; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:57:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAE8vjxY003854; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:57:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:57:45 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" Message-Id: <20121114095745.7db0a9e0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> References: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:57:46 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:20:14 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var > cd /mnt/ssd/var > restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 > Cannot find file dump list The last command looks wrong. The restore program requires the dump file to be provided via -f, so # restore -rf /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 should work. You can find an example in "man restore". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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The restore program requires=0A>>the dump file to b= e provided via -f, so=0A>>=0A>> =A0 =A0# restore -rf /usr/backup/dump_var_0= _20121113_1920=0A>>=0A>>should work. You can find an example in "man restor= e".=0A=0A=0AHi=0AThere is no - . This is the correct format : restore rf /p= ath/to/dump/files=0A=0Agood luck :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 09:08:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61E485E for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652BB8FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.155.60] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TYYxf-0001hU-9Y; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:08:43 +0100 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qAE98dVN001367; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:08:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id qAE98bli001366; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:08:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:08:37 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Jack Mc Lauren Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" Message-ID: <20121114090836.GA1356@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> <20121114095745.7db0a9e0.freebsd@edvax.de> <1352883668.65811.YahooMailNeo@web126006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1352883668.65811.YahooMailNeo@web126006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.155.60 Cc: "freebsd@dreamchaser.org" , Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:08:48 -0000 El día Wednesday, November 14, 2012 a las 01:01:08AM -0800, Jack Mc Lauren escribió: > Hi > There is no - . This is the correct format : restore rf /path/to/dump/files from man restore(8): RESTORE(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual RESTORE(8) NAME restore, rrestore — restore files or file systems from backups made with dump SYNOPSIS restore -i [-dDhmNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] restore -R [-dDNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] restore -r [-dDNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] restore -t [-dDhNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] [file ...] restore -x [-dDhmNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] [file ...] ... matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 09:11:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C3CA5F for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AD88FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A563CE12; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:11:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAE9BqWN003925; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:11:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:11:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Jack Mc Lauren Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" Message-Id: <20121114101152.09b34640.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1352883668.65811.YahooMailNeo@web126006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> <20121114095745.7db0a9e0.freebsd@edvax.de> <1352883668.65811.YahooMailNeo@web126006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd@dreamchaser.org" , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:11:53 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:01:08 -0800 (PST), Jack Mc Lauren wrote: > There is no - . This is the correct format : restore rf /path/to/dump/files Really? The manual at "man restore" mentions: restore -r [-dDNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] [-s fileno] And in the -r section: newfs /dev/da0s1a mount /dev/da0s1a /mnt cd /mnt restore rf /dev/sa0 So it seems that _both_ formats are supported (comparable to tar). One of the (in my opinion) most interesting reference sources for dump/restore also mentions this format: # mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt # mkdir /tmp/oldvar # cd /tmp/oldvar # restore -ruf /mnt/var.dump # umount /mnt Source: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_em_dump_8_em_em_restore_8_em -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 10:25:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E50327E for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matrix@itlegion.ru) Received: from corpmail.itlegion.ru (corpmail.itlegion.ru [84.21.226.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 344BE8FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 45653 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2012 14:25:27 +0400 Received: from localhost-artem.itlegion.ru (HELO ?192.168.0.12?) (192.168.0.12) by 84.21.226.211 with SMTP; 14 Nov 2012 14:25:27 +0400 Message-ID: <50A37197.2010605@itlegion.ru> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:25:27 +0400 From: Artem Kuchin Organization: IT Legion User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Friedrich Locke , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Old file reappeared by itself References: <50A0CA53.8050802@itlegion.ru> <50A24258.6080203@itlegion.ru> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:25:32 -0000 13.11.2012 17:24, Friedrich Locke: > Be very careful, watch your back. > Someone may be trying to get you paranoid! And you are following their > game. > Does anyone else have access to your host ? I doubt it. The only access to the host is via ssh. The last log is not damaged or altered, the all.log is no altered too. The only person who accessed the server is me. Also, the file is restored in some previous condition, but i do not make backups of it and copies are not stored anywhere. I doubt that someone made copies from 2011 and 2012 to the overwrite it. That seems highly unlikely. > Have you ever call the police ? Ever - yes, in this case - no. > Do you monitor access to your box? Yes. Nothing suspicious found. I really suspect that this is a filesystem glitch. > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Artem Kuchin > wrote: > > > 12.11.2012 14:07, Artem Kuchin: > > The machines runs 4 jails. Everything is in the jails except > NAMED. > Named is run on the root host (if i may say so) itself. > There is a zone file there which i changed last week. > Today in the morning i try to open a site and host name is not > found. It worked on friday. > I went to see the the zone file. IT WAS DATED 2010 !!!! I open > it and the serial number is > something like 201103021. I do all my serials using dates, so, > while the file date is 2010 > the content is from 2011 and it sure does looks so. > Then i go to secondary zone (slave) on another server and > there i find the zone from last week. > I checked all logs and did not find anything special. The > zone file from 2010 just reappeared > from nowhere kill all the new changes. > As i said, i saw things like this in the past. It happened > insides jails and was related to files > for web sites and i thought that i and someone else messed up. > No i think i saw the same thing. > > > It happened today again! I checked file today and the file was > dated 5 oct 2012 but content was > from a week ago except the serial. I changed it yesterday. No > automatic backup or restore is running. > Uptime is 321 day. last says not one has logged in since yerterday. > I am going crazy. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > > -- ? ?????????, ????? ????? ???????? "?? ?? ??????" www.itlegion.ru www.hostilla.ru +7 (495) 232-0338 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 11:18:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C00CDAC for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB808FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so522336iea.13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:18:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=zSDYbV5tRL99/7K3wPi7a6VK6oHqB9z5CsznoftLpDQ=; b=OK0FWggbB03ouCW8TIvV+l/JbiTV61soDMeRD/I1GksQ2GenWAZNwLs456h2Q5Y896 QFw4nyi5s/6rkb1Cubl0Mpo0MvZZcVppQEvIGvUG0NttJLNEa/+d3xKQKsUvyJxY1uE7 9qt7m2lK20wwZzItlBf7yTdeMiHsjbv2DhaljQ/q2zwwP8ZxirasRgrHr5ZEP5o9rJJi j1P6LN6fH075lhr47ZKE1tayfX66af7uP5nByJ+Kt5RlY+lgeDHxx4FhyUl271Gyl8La XPOVx0VldylAoCzpBczMzPmtMRH7MtvF0wpkx5cbKrrqhmqC6Ml5ekXHOYUo4IWXIc6c p+6g== Received: by 10.50.193.165 with SMTP id hp5mr1350663igc.46.1352891882655; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.wi.rr.com (cpe-184-58-138-79.wi.res.rr.com. [184.58.138.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id yf6sm1047607igb.0.2012.11.14.03.18.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: ajtiM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portsnap Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:17:38 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-RC3; KDE/4.8.4; i386; ; ) References: <201211121726.58712.lumiwa@gmail.com> <201211140837.47845.elias_chr@otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <201211140837.47845.elias_chr@otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201211140517.38590.lumiwa@gmail.com> Cc: Elias Chrysocheris X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:18:04 -0000 On Wednesday 14 November 2012 00:37:47 Elias Chrysocheris wrote: > Yeap. Same here: > > pluto# portsnap fetch update > Looking up portsnap.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 6 mirrors found. > Fetching snapshot tag from ec2-eu-west-1.portsnap.freebsd.org... done. > Latest snapshot on server matches what we already have. > No updates needed. > Ports tree is already up to date. > > > How can it be possible? 3 years now that I use FreeBSD there was not even a > single day that we didn't have updates in the ports tree. How can it be > possible for two consecutive days to have "No updates needed."? > > Something is wrong... > > Regards > Elias We have updates but I red somewhere about problem with server. Should be nice to the users if someone sent email to mailing list about a problem. Mitja -------- http://www.redbubble.com/people/lumiwa From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 11:28:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612CF1C5 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121D68FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (politkovskaja.torservers.net [77.247.181.165]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ECE305AE3 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:28:42 +0400 (MSK) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:28:24 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old file reappeared by itself Message-ID: <20121114112824.GB5413@external.screwed.box> References: <50A0CA53.8050802@itlegion.ru> <50A24258.6080203@itlegion.ru> <50A37197.2010605@itlegion.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50A37197.2010605@itlegion.ru> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:28:46 -0000 Hello. 2012/11/14 14:25:27 +0400 Artem Kuchin => To Friedrich Locke : AK> > Have you ever call the police ? AK> AK> Ever - yes, in this case - no. Have police ever called you? ;-) AK> > It happened today again! I checked file today and the file was Then it's much easier if it happens again. If it's the zone then BIND may seem to overwrite the file? I can do this in the case it's a primary zone service. I'm informed it's all about the primary not a secondary zone service but hence BIND isn't a piece of cake who knows. Since that you can do this: - chmod file(s) for BIND to read-only it. - monitor certain directories for changes. I have no idea about the tool to handle this task but it's quite possible with inotify() system call and/or the sgi fam protocol, particularly its sysutils/gamin implementation. AK> ? ?????????, AK> ????? ????? AK> ???????? "?? ?? ??????" ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; ? -- Peter Vereshagin (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 12:16:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472C8F6 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vitortanamachi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ea0-f182.google.com (mail-ea0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98AA8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f182.google.com with SMTP id c10so207896eaa.13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:16:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1toNLiv7wF+cZg4C39dho+Gmxn4U6FqFZ5wuDH/BnVQ=; b=L8831ptO7o5GH8gjmSaNrzXEF6Edi1IBbgdnpV2yhqTdYksbVYLxCnaJ7Fm9o8vz+/ UFXe1Ta9hIC1hoEUrO7h3E6qtHcvZPRHvFU0ab42r4kjLfOaZd19Y2PBAcF21iuhqoWS 79BnB8Hq3ahAH8LZM/Abwc9gQvZmuevPRPeVPINQSxPjs3gDA+8BTv9q6544oDpM1xAy 8IykQBCiWiOseQDmQkkVVXt/dplcUEvM2EI9UBluGo6n/Pqd1VE/f24WcSPc6QK3YctR wdcoiapz0y4lrxgWLG6ZSTPRMALvloG5+aPepdmr+ypAqAuDhv3vL/krloYgPnlduUB/ aT1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.215.69 with SMTP id d45mr86211839eep.16.1352895408703; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.210.66 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:16:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:16:48 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Installations From: Vitor Rodrigues Tanamachi To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:16:56 -0000 Good morning I'm difucudade to install the graphics and installation of the Oracle database and 11XE Cach=E9 database in FreeBSD 9. Could someone help me? I need to make these facilities for my CBT. Thank you for your attention From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 12:24:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A60307 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:24:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1388FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TYc1S-0005rn-85 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:24:52 +0100 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:24:50 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:24:50 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Subject: OT: problems with gpl-licensed software Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 5 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:24:52 -0000 Thinking about extending or dual-licensing a gpl-licensed software ? https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/7/338 jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 12:57:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC2F88D for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.224.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CDC8FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from X220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.201.19]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id qAECuugD006250; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:57:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:56:53 +0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: Polytropon Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121114195653.2453a14f@X220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20121113052159.GA31404@ethic.thought.org> <20121113063952.5c9bfaa2.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113075721.GB3359@ethic.thought.org> <20121113151033.1d03bf13@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121113091255.070097f6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121113190006.GC2570@ethic.thought.org> <20121114044748.7582a006@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114010738.GA16091@ethic.thought.org> <20121114082600.48d0f681@X220.ovitrap.com> <20121114035814.572a5f7e.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: ALO Green Technologies X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:57:37 -0000 Hi, On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:58:14 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800 > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800 > > > > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go > > > > > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jawohl mein Herr! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > What, no comma!? > > > > > > > > what the Playboy did to the German language ... > > > > > > > > Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was > > > > obviously a mistake. I have heard that they brought it back > > > > after decades of no comma in the tag line. > > > > > > > > > do you mean that it was "Play boy"? or what? what was the > > > tag line? > > > > > Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht > > Ouch. > > Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol > in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there > is the "word order" that achieves this goal, and a comma is > mostly optional or "left to preferences". In German, there are > rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules > are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not > leave much space for individual preferences. :-) > > In the above example, > > Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht > > or better using a hyphen > > Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht > > would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page > in a correct manner. > I have had to open playboy.de again. Just for the comma. I think that it is a bit more complicated. Especially as Playboy is here the brand 'Alles, was Maennern Spass macht' is the tag line and needs a comma after alles. Playboy does it now properly in the header of their site but wrongly in the title. Your second line with the hyphen is there the best option if there would be the comma after alles. I never would have believed that Playboy becomes part of a serious discussion which started with an sshd problem. Ok, the world knows now the importance of Playboy for the IT world. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 13:37:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDE3DB7 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:37:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9348FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id jm19so230510bkc.13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:37:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LoL6KoQzRgEwqYCn82m7gQuIB3r2/52b00l+ILEDUPo=; b=TgpKphA9MDSR5N6893WEq1depQbjigB4ARqJOUqjJcq2xMYVZVCNg25SlM4piWNZAd SbDD0etVgdMO9p+KGzze1vxU6L9X1G4kGeSCLPpXvYz26ZZkoPqNrpRNAQ+b5fH8rKNc C/0aLiRbfYGU+wsqhXuNWanKK2d8xAlu0XgxwQJ70+gE0stARlbXFqkXzVZwS5NhD0vL b4DWSHmYVLFvgifrJ//puWccBmImCpwVHZp+MkrN3HpiuoSEctKvRA8aw20zmPBLNdJw SgUWy1aXk2kCs6JZhOohmOAtENt8sUh9rDuQzEFdpQoslQSnH2neyCbcsrpH1m8mVdmR kxRQ== Received: by 10.205.130.9 with SMTP id hk9mr9245101bkc.52.1352900239913; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm7993315bks.3.2012.11.14.05.37.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:37:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:37:16 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-ID: <20121114133716.7ea7f9a4@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <201211140658.qAE6w2tT090220@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20121114054848.3a35510f.freebsd@edvax.de> <201211140658.qAE6w2tT090220@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:37:21 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 00:58:02 -0600 (CST) Robert Bonomi wrote: > In 'classic' English (as taught in the 60s and earlier), a comma was > _required_ before a trailing 'and' in a list of 3 or more items, and > forbidden if there were only two items. Not really: http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/what-is-the-oxford-comma Perhaps is should be taken to "chat", it has nothing to do with FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 15:43:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BB18AC for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2228FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAEFhqeT031546 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:43:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A3BC38.6000504@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:43:52 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" References: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> <20121114083024.GA1227@tiny.Sisis.de> In-Reply-To: <20121114083024.GA1227@tiny.Sisis.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:43:53 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:43:54 -0000 On 11/14/12 01:30, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Wednesday, November 14, 2012 a las 01:20:14AM -0700, Gary Aitken escribió: > >> I needed to expand a /var partition, >> which required saving and restoring /var and /usr >> >> did the following: >> booted to backup disk >> dump -0aR -h 0 -f /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 /dev/ada0p4 >> (repeat for /tmp, /usr, / partitions to be safe) >> repartitioned the main disk using gpart >> newfs the modified partitions (var, tmp, usr) >> rewrote the boot block and boot partition (#1) >> mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var >> cd /mnt/ssd/var >> restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 >> Cannot find file dump list >> >> Any ideas why I get the "Cannot find file dump list"? >> What / where is it supposed to be? > > You need to specify the file containing the DUMP with -f flag; and use > the flag -r only to restore to the original location, or -x to restore > into the current dir; check the man page for details; Sorry all, a typing issue on my part when composing the email; problem remains: # restore -iN -f /mnt/hd_ssd_backup/usr/backup/dump_tmp_0_20121113_1920 Cannot find file dump list From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 16:45:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D27961 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:45:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0248FC17 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAEGjN3e054319; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAEGjMA9054316; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:45:22 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" In-Reply-To: <20121114101152.09b34640.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> <20121114095745.7db0a9e0.freebsd@edvax.de> <1352883668.65811.YahooMailNeo@web126006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20121114101152.09b34640.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:45:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: "freebsd@dreamchaser.org" , FreeBSD Mailing List , Jack Mc Lauren X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:45:30 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 01:01:08 -0800 (PST), Jack Mc Lauren wrote: >> There is no - . This is the correct format : restore rf /path/to/dump/files > > Really? The manual at "man restore" mentions: > > restore -r [-dDNuvy] [-b blocksize] [-f file | -P pipecommand] > [-s fileno] > > And in the -r section: > > newfs /dev/da0s1a > mount /dev/da0s1a /mnt > cd /mnt > > restore rf /dev/sa0 > > So it seems that _both_ formats are supported (comparable to > tar). > > One of the (in my opinion) most interesting reference sources > for dump/restore also mentions this format: > > # mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt > # mkdir /tmp/oldvar > # cd /tmp/oldvar > # restore -ruf /mnt/var.dump Yes, -u "unlinks" an existing file before restoring that file, useful for restoring dumps over an existing filesystem. Leave out the -u when restoring to a new filesystem and the restore will go faster. > # umount /mnt And that points out a mistake: /mnt can't be unmounted while it is the PWD. Fixed. > Source: > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_em_dump_8_em_em_restore_8_em Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 17:52:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D879DE for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpielorz_lst@tdx.co.uk) Received: from mail.tdx.com (mail.tdx.com [62.13.128.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6166E8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Octca64MkIV.tdx.co.uk (octa64.tdx.co.uk [62.13.130.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.tdx.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/) with ESMTP id qAEHqbAR050414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:52:38 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:52:41 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz To: Dan Nelson Subject: Re: Issues with smartd starting up at boot time - delays sever start? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20121113171445.GF20857@dan.emsphone.com> References: <73ADFF9FEC26D94D4727301D@MightyAtom.tdx.co.uk> <20121113171445.GF20857@dan.emsphone.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:52:51 -0000 --On 13 November 2012 11:14 -0600 Dan Nelson wrote: >> Can anyone think of a 'simple' fix for this? - Is there anything I can do >> to '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/smartd' to make it run later in the startup >> process? > > Try adding "mail" to the REQUIRE: line, since sendmail has that in its > PROVIDES: line. Thanks, I'll give that a go when I get a chance, -Karl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 18:59:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A78399 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:59:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCC98FC18 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.154.219] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TYiBc-0003z8-VA; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:59:45 +0100 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qAEIxg3Z001216; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:59:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id qAEIxeqP001215; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:59:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:59:39 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Warren Block Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" Message-ID: <20121114185939.GA1111@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> <20121114095745.7db0a9e0.freebsd@edvax.de> <1352883668.65811.YahooMailNeo@web126006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20121114101152.09b34640.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.154.219 Cc: "freebsd@dreamchaser.org" , Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List , Jack Mc Lauren X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:59:52 -0000 El día Wednesday, November 14, 2012 a las 09:45:22AM -0700, Warren Block escribió: > > One of the (in my opinion) most interesting reference sources > > for dump/restore also mentions this format: > > > > # mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt > > # mkdir /tmp/oldvar > > # cd /tmp/oldvar > > # restore -ruf /mnt/var.dump > > Yes, -u "unlinks" an existing file before restoring that file, useful > for restoring dumps over an existing filesystem. Leave out the -u when > restoring to a new filesystem and the restore will go faster. > > > # umount /mnt > > And that points out a mistake: /mnt can't be unmounted while it is the > PWD. Fixed. I think PWD is /tmp/oldvar and not /mnt; matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 19:43:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71DAB98 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F408FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id gg13so904063lbb.13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:43:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2Se6OojZuSizYkmOUXfQ7csevmkGptnH6ecfvXuxjzs=; b=s8tj64sPRb4PHnh9Os9F6ERM9KlBpAE6HoX6bHgdjudMNoBvKSCH+rqtSLb6p0m704 1+FgbFitUxJR0JWey0wydsn4+LR43w56eenTO/ehdD9dYD0npkS51oE5TswHBPeK3vVg cjxk3NKDHTRqSe1RBqdeifVRdktuz4/YbnAijDc96Vo2Z5GUv5OvAVlkZJjkPyRx+xwt 0nd+Kl4/+SfGYL384dsJEhSwVLjhlwOkoQViAF8x4uqKqz9UUKQRpiWHRTAjrObn8NJu x3GM49cvMKhHYajzhEgs/+vmge/ed5YhLY5ySUfHeMXFeILcuzB6F5xXW/r9kMWiCcO9 /EOg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.104.107 with SMTP id gd11mr25723820lab.25.1352922210031; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.1.193 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:43:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:43:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Mounting SD card. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?= To: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:43:31 -0000 Hi, I can't make my SD card reader work. It is from a 4 years old Compaq PC. It works fine in Linux however. I'm using 9.0 release with stock kernel. If I boot the system and plug the SD card in, the green led doesn't even switch on and there is only a /dev/da0 that I can not mount. If I boot the system with the card plugged in, the green led is on and there is a /dev/da0s1 device that I can't still mount because mount_msdosfs returns an Input/Output error after some time. Any ideas on how to debug this? This is an excerpt of dmesg: ... Root mount waiting for: usbus7 usbus6 usbus5 usbus4 usbus3 usbus2 usbus1 usbus0 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub6: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus7 usbus2 uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus7 uhub7: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered Root mount waiting for: usbus7 Root mount waiting for: usbus7 ugen7.2: at usbus7 umass0: on usbus7 umass0: SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0x4000 umass0:6:0:-1: Attached to scbus6 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad4s2a [rw]... (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): TEST UNIT READY. CDB: 0 0 0 0 0 0 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Command Specific Info: 0xaa5540 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:1): TEST UNIT READY. CDB: 0 20 0 0 0 0 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:1): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:1): SCSI status: Check Condition (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:1): SCSI sense: NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:1): Command Specific Info: 0xaa5540 da1 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 1 da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da1: 40.000MB/s transfers da1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:2): TEST UNIT READY. CDB: 0 40 0 0 0 0 (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:2): CAM status: SCSI Status Error (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:2): SCSI status: Check Condition (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:2): SCSI sense: NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) (probe0:umass-sim0:0:0:2): Command Specific Info: 0xaa5540 da2 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus6 target 0 lun 2 da2: Removable Direct Access SCSI-0 device da2: 40.000MB/s transfers da2: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present ... And this is the output of pciconf -lv: hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29c08086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI pcib1@pci0:0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00008086 chip=0x29c18086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express PCI Express Root Port' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI uhci0@pci0:0:26:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29378086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci1@pci0:0:26:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29388086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:0:26:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x293c8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB hdac0@pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x293e8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = HDA pcib2@pci0:0:28:0: class=0x060400 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29408086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3@pci0:0:28:2: class=0x060400 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29448086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 3' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI uhci2@pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0300 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29348086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci3@pci0:0:29:1: class=0x0c0300 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29358086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci4@pci0:0:29:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29368086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB uhci5@pci0:0:29:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29398086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci1@pci0:0:29:7: class=0x0c0320 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x293a8086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB pcib4@pci0:0:30:0: class=0x060401 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x244e8086 rev=0x92 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801 PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI isab0@pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29168086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801IR (ICH9R) LPC Interface Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA ahci0@pci0:0:31:2: class=0x010400 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x28228086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801 SATA RAID Controller' class = mass storage subclass = RAID none0@pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x29308086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus vgapci0@pci0:4:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x10411462 chip=0x94c31002 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'ATI Technologies Inc' device = 'RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]' class = display subclass = VGA re0@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x816810ec rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' device = 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' class = network subclass = ethernet fwohci0@pci0:1:5:0: class=0x0c0010 card=0x2a6f103c chip=0x581111c1 rev=0x70 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Agere Systems' device = 'FW322/323' class = serial bus subclass = FireWire Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 20:22:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E569497 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:22:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82478FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAEKM6sk032313 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A3FD6E.6080607@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:22:06 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: curious -- what's /tmp/fam-root ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:22:06 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:22:08 -0000 Just curious; what's the purpose of /tmp/fam-root, and what is written there? Is it simply where the os writes stuff which is sensitive, and putting it in a rwx------ directory avoids potential security issues regarding file access? or is there more to it than that? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 20:34:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CD79D3 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:34:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B408FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAEKYE6A032344 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:34:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A40046.1070307@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:34:14 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: rm -rf and flags (schg, sunlnk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:34:15 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:34:16 -0000 Assuming one makes a mirror of a file system for backup purposes, then renames the mirror and makes another one, then attempts to remove the original using "rm -rf", the rm will fail if any of the files have the schg or sunlnk bits set. Is there an easy way around this problem other than traversing the whole subtree, finding files with the flags set and unsetting them? thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 20:38:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B938A92 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryan@shatow.net) Received: from secure.xzibition.com (secure.xzibition.com [173.160.118.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016768FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:38:31 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sweb; b=2Bj7gS Q156SHwghRK/2wHWfWAQGrB8j40O3mAl2vhtlSvhbgmBf0hxBK8vmzyUzIyrItcL TfDEwNvEVuu1Af2CBDZbMyiZ8rUns95Q0zcF4w3uazMta8GfoNTLki5rDeeoMNH+ EfBWZSkkdzc+BEJ0Iz/RLNCiy4fN03RJjtvWU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sweb; bh=mnmYIiNPZGqh W6Z1XtuYBV0JbLoDHFvaohm5qFjdEG0=; b=kNY14PO1VEYS97QCUlWx1BSvy2be yzpYGTDK6zKWi4mwd2HZQWuH80o8JP143YybFftz5cgK0YsjxvHDI/T9TyKQux0A dIVzPaFA892is1TcAcyIBPkc/jgbPi16Ex58sO+J58hrvy30VrzKShLPyuoKUjG0 gV3PX014XVqvnVk= Received: (qmail 25739 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2012 14:38:29 -0600 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.74?) (bryan@shatow.net@74.94.87.209) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 14 Nov 2012 14:38:29 -0600 Message-ID: <50A4015A.3080909@shatow.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:38:50 -0600 From: Bryan Drewery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: rm -rf and flags (schg, sunlnk) References: <50A40046.1070307@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <50A40046.1070307@dreamchaser.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:38:32 -0000 On 11/14/2012 2:34 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > Assuming one makes a mirror of a file system for backup purposes, > then renames the mirror and makes another one, > then attempts to remove the original using "rm -rf", > the rm will fail if any of the files have the schg or sunlnk bits set. > > Is there an easy way around this problem other than traversing the whole subtree, > finding files with the flags set and unsetting them? > Two options: find /PATH -flags schg -exec chflags noschg {} + or chflags -R noschg /PATH Then rm -rf /PATH > thanks, > > Gary Bryan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 20:58:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B61AD6A for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:58:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982D68FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout08 with smtp id PYyK1k006516WCc01YyMMC; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:58:21 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=CJiorGXD c=1 sm=1 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=rLpCYgkgFLgA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=-xSEaY_UsmsA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=eNfA_t99I5tn724ycsIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=hRzl48OXmVwA:10 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1TYk2N-0002h7-42 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:58:19 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:58:18 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:58:24 -0000 On Wednesday 14 November 2012 19:43:30 Fernando Apestegu=EDa wrote: > If I boot the system and plug the SD card in, the green led > doesn't even switch on and there is only a /dev/da0 that I can not > mount. If I boot the system with the card plugged in, the green led is > on and there is a /dev/da0s1 device that I can't still mount because > mount_msdosfs returns an Input/Output error after some time. I think that's pretty much standard behaviour. The solution appears to be=20 to "wake" it up with the following incantation: dd if=3D/dev/null of=3D/dev/da0 count=3D0 That's what works here. See the thread starting with=20 =2D-=20 Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 21:22:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201DBFC6 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43AA8FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TYkPm-00042J-5o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:22:32 +0100 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:22:30 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:22:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Subject: Re: curious -- what's /tmp/fam-root ? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <50A3FD6E.6080607@dreamchaser.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:22:32 -0000 Gary Aitken dreamchaser.org> writes: > > Just curious; what's the purpose of /tmp/fam-root, and what is written there? > Is it simply where the os writes stuff which is sensitive, > and putting it in a rwx------ directory avoids potential security issues > regarding file access? > or is there more to it than that? # procstat -af |grep -i fam 23038 polkitd 12 s - rw------- 1 0 UDS /tmp/fam-root/fam- 23040 gam_server 4 s - rw------- 1 0 UDS /tmp/fam-root/fam- 23040 gam_server 7 s - rw------- 1 0 UDS /tmp/fam-root/fam- 26654 thunar 7 s - rw------- 1 0 UDS /tmp/fam-jb/fam- ... # file /tmp/fam-root/fam- /tmp/fam-root/fam-: socket jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 21:31:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969DE408 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ateve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504A88FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYkZa-0004k5-0D for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:32:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYkZJ-0004Bo-Vn for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:32:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:31:43 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rm -rf and flags (schg, sunlnk) Message-Id: <20121114213143.1f482c2d628aec9f0d8c5bb4@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <50A4015A.3080909@shatow.net> References: <50A40046.1070307@dreamchaser.org> <50A4015A.3080909@shatow.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:31:56 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:38:50 -0600 Bryan Drewery wrote: > Two options: > > find /PATH -flags schg -exec chflags noschg {} + > or > chflags -R noschg /PATH > > Then > > rm -rf /PATH it's often quickest to: rm -rf /PATH chflags -R noschg /PATH rm -rf /PATH The other way requires two traversals of the full tree, this way there's only one full traversal and a clean up which is small and fast. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 22:22:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799F757C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:22:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mays@win.net) Received: from filter2.win.net (filter2.win.net [216.24.27.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256F18FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nb-208.win.net (nb-208.win.net [216.24.27.208]) by filter2.win.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id qAEMD0RX011542 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:13:00 -0500 Received: from win2snvu0x4eg9 (pool207.office.win.net [216.24.33.207]) by nb-208.win.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B026F73127 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:13:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <816E535579724567A55D3EC28633CED6@win2snvu0x4eg9> From: "Joseph Mays" To: Subject: 9.1 permissions in the / directory Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:12:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0: No Bayes scoring rules defined, tokens from: WinNetOutbound) X-Spam-Score: 2.10 (**) [Hold at 4.50] STOX_REPLY_TYPE, STOX_REPLY_TYPE_WITHOUT_QUOTES X-CanIt-Geo: ip=216.24.27.208; country=US; region=KY; city=Finchville; postalcode=40022; latitude=38.1551; longitude=-85.3280; metrocode=529; areacode=502; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=38.1551,-85.3280&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: base:WinNetOutbound X-Canit-Stats-ID: 01Inyd0rP - 729ec297c252 - 20121114 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 216.24.27.102 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:22:14 -0000 Have a recently set up 9.1 RC1 system. Someone (not me, just sayin') did a chmod 600 in the / directory. Needless to say this caused numerous problems. I tried to change them back as best I could by comparing them to an older directory, but some things are still not right. Trying to log in, via either console or ssh as anyone other than root. Ssh gets: %ssh mays@[redacted] Password: Last login: Wed Nov 14 15:50:37 2012 Could not chdir to home directory /home/mays: Permission denied /bin/tcsh: Permission denied Connection to [redacted] closed. % followed by a disconnect. Console complains about the /home/user directory not being there (though it is and the permissions look normal), says it's logging in with slash instead, then says "/bin/tcsh: no such file or directory", though /bin/tcsh is there and permissions look fine. I'm attaching a screenshot of the message log that shows up on console logins. So, two questions. What is causing the problem, and does anyone have anything that shows what the normal / directory permissions for 9.1 RC1 should look like? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 23:09:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66805F5D for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A368FC14 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pd3mr1so-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.177]) by pd4mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2012 16:09:32 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=uOXSuZFC3BakS69dD1DT1WnhALxcR8gevnvdUEejrW8= c=1 sm=1 a=ithn4QTZYVgA:10 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=bSGQbYrgqFoA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=D19gQVrFAAAA:8 a=9b1BW-juAAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=atnDn2WMReiCyfYqBBEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Pq9I-aork3cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO cds005.dcs.int.inet) ([10.0.141.22]) by pd3mr1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2012 16:09:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:09:32 -0700 (MST) From: Dale Scott To: jb Message-ID: <834869718.12231411.1352934572362.JavaMail.root@cds005.dcs.int.inet> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: OT: problems with gpl-licensed software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [147.108.253.254] X-Mailer: Zimbra 7.1.4_GA_2567 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 (Win)/7.1.4_GA_2555) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:09:33 -0000 > Thinking about extending or dual-licensing a gpl-licensed software ? > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/7/338 Interesting thread, but if you are implying that dual-licensing GPL software is in general dangerous, then I would respectfully disagree. The real issue in the linked thread seems to be over whether or not the authors of the file system code have total copyright ownership of their code. IANAL, but my understanding from researching the GPL is that if a piece of software functions as an integrated part of some other software that is licensed under the GPL, then the software in question *can* be considered to be a derived work of the other software - and under the terms of the GPL must also be licensed by the GPL (even if the author has copyright ownership and distributes their software separately, which are the most common reasons I've seen given for why the GPL should not apply). However, regardless of whether or not the software "must" be licensed by the GPL, the copyright holder holder has the right to provide the software under whatever license they want, which could be in addition to the GPL. If the purpose of dual-licensing is to allow the creation of a proprietary product that the GPL does not extend to, then copyright ownership should be sufficient. The typical difficulty an open source project has is demonstrating copyright ownership over every line of their code - which typically requires a CAA (Copyright Assignment Agreement) executed individually with each contributor unless the code is a work for hire (i.e. is entirely developed by a company's employees). Other reading that may be interesting: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2008/foss-primer.pdf http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLAndPlugins ----- Original Message ----- From: "jb" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:24:26 AM Subject: OT: problems with gpl-licensed software Thinking about extending or dual-licensing a gpl-licensed software ? https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/7/338 jb _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 23:37:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FCB5D7 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB008FC13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:37:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id qAENcEqx002393 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:38:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:38:14 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201211142338.qAENcEqx002393@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 'device' representation in the filesystem questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:37:32 -0000 it appears that FreeBSD, at least 8.0 and later: a) no longer uses 'raw' devices for anything b) no longer uses 'block' devices for anything c) randomly assigns device 'major' numbers d) doesn't use device 'minor' numbers for anything. e) as a result of c) and d), there is no way to establish 'device' physical characteristics from the 'node' information. Is there a wizzard who can confirm/deny? Or, if there's a better place to ask, can anyone point me there? There are significant performance and 'addressability' issues when doing i/o directly to 'fixed block' devices, especially 'write-once' media.` The classical 'block' device type was a reliable indicator of 'fixed block' behavior, how does one make that determination today? Is there any way to get 'classic' mag-tape behavior -- where, for example a read(2) returned the lesser of the bytes in the block, and positioned to the beginning of the next, regardless of whether the etire content of the current block had been read ?` From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 23:39:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B2967F for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:39:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from smtp-int-m.obspm.fr (smtp-int-m.obspm.fr [145.238.187.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819D78FC12 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pcjas.obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by smtp-int-m.obspm.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 07/2009) with ESMTP id qAENZ8EF011972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:35:10 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:35:08 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Power saving Message-ID: <20121114233508.GA6321@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Miltered: at smtp-int-m.obspm.fr with ID 50A42AAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 50A42AAC.000/145.238.184.233/pcjas.obspm.fr/pcjas.obspm.fr/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:39:26 -0000 Hi everybody, I'm trying to do some power saving on my laptop. I've already do everything (almost) http://wiki.freebsd.org/TuningPowerConsumption but still a very basic problem. When I boot my laptop under FreeBSD and I do nothing the fan don't run. But if I do anything (launch firefox, launch a find etc...) instantly the fan run (instantly= 1 or 2 sec). Event when I just boot and the back of the laptop is very cold. I can use my ear to known if I got a flashplugin in the web page...without sound.....the fan warn me:-( But when I boot Windows 7 I can launch many thing simultaneous the fan never run or after long moment and when the back of the laptop is hot. Any idea ? Regards. NB: The Laptop is a Dell latitute E6220 and it's run FreeBSD 9/stable -- Albert SHIH DIO bâtiment 15 Observatoire de Paris 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 xmpp: jas@obspm.fr Heure local/Local time: jeu 15 nov 2012 00:34:09 CET From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 14 23:52:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F228BA34 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:52:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8250D8FC0C for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 16so491938wgi.31 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:51:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9yAoNe/LAjZjcP3L/GNvm8rDdicb5mmOT4Xsyx7btpc=; b=jcPm//rn/DpblkkfM+2ZSdmQgNYp/g8QI+Qbygta72nZ32kiYCQG2WoY24NBZ5SVy0 bvltpujDn9D2TeMdmWpNYIMrtm6ZkkZ5Jtble7ua031jMKF5DG6TnMG5di5DRolq9j7z 3VywaM3wuFXm82WUpaM/mQ85OZquUSWCnuQR87OXS6N5uCuZCMrfDJy6BwI5Vhtl/A14 6QpCf6MHwEa4wGZfpTc61t7zMYfR6ZcdexqV41iwY15B30H7Kof8CanwGTejRb1kASUh nJQJrajtR5NiLsZ4oRx2ddD2lPOqqoCaZsmyFktc63AST3YifWxi/ntHEmt3ZMqJ08eH FLyg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.93.234 with SMTP id cx10mr27676604wib.5.1352937115328; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.156.14 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:51:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <816E535579724567A55D3EC28633CED6@win2snvu0x4eg9> References: <816E535579724567A55D3EC28633CED6@win2snvu0x4eg9> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:51:55 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 9.1 permissions in the / directory From: Waitman Gobble To: Joseph Mays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:52:02 -0000 On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Joseph Mays wrote: > > Have a recently set up 9.1 RC1 system. Someone (not me, just sayin') did = a chmod 600 in the / directory. Needless to say this caused numerous proble= ms. I tried to change them back as best I could by comparing them to an old= er directory, but some things are still not right. Trying to log in, via ei= ther console or ssh as anyone other than root. Ssh gets: > > %ssh mays@[redacted] > Password: > Last login: Wed Nov 14 15:50:37 2012 > Could not chdir to home directory /home/mays: Permission denied > /bin/tcsh: Permission denied > Connection to [redacted] closed. > % > > followed by a disconnect. Console complains about the /home/user director= y not being there (though it is and the permissions look normal), says it's= logging in with slash instead, then says "/bin/tcsh: no such file or direc= tory", though /bin/tcsh is there and permissions look fine. I'm attaching a= screenshot of the message log that shows up on console logins. > > So, two questions. What is causing the problem, and does anyone have anyt= hing that shows what the normal / directory permissions for 9.1 RC1 should = look like? > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" /home is normally a link to /usr/home lrwxr-xr-x root wheel home -> usr/home drwxr-xr-x root wheel usr is that what you have? if it was done with -R then best bet is to restore from backup. # mkdir foo # ln -s foo boo # ls -l total 2 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3 Nov 14 15:46 boo -> foo drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 14 15:46 foo # chmod 600 * # ls -l total 2 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3 Nov 14 15:46 boo -> foo drw------- 2 root wheel 512 Nov 14 15:46 foo # chmod 755 * # ls -l total 2 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 3 Nov 14 15:46 boo -> foo drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 14 15:46 foo attachments are stripped, paste the text instead. Waitman Gobble San Jose California From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 00:46:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065811BF for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975348FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id qAF0kpYf003142; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:46:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:46:51 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201211150046.qAF0kpYf003142@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: dalescott@shaw.ca Subject: Re: OT: problems with gpl-licensed software In-Reply-To: <834869718.12231411.1352934572362.JavaMail.root@cds005.dcs.int.inet> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:46:07 -0000 > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:09:32 -0700 (MST) > From: Dale Scott > Subject: Re: OT: problems with gpl-licensed software > > > Thinking about extending or dual-licensing a gpl-licensed software ? > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/7/338 > > IANAL, but my understanding from researching the GPL is that if a piece > of software functions as an integrated part of some other software that ilicense under the GPL, then the software in question *can* be > considered to be a derived work of the other software - and under the > terms of the GPL must also be licensed by the GPL (even if the author has > copyright ownership and distributes their software separately, which are > the most common reasons I've seen given for why the GPL should not > apply). nitpick -- if any GPL-licensed software is included in an executable, then the _entire_ app *must* be GPL-licensed -- this is a condition of the license of the GPLed software the latest version of the GPL attempts to impose GPL licensing on stand- alone apps that operate in an intimately connected fashion with a GPLed app -- on the basis that it is a derived work, as you mention. The 'derived work' arqument is questionable, but has not been challenged in court -- successfully or otherwise. An owner of rights in an independantly developed piece of a GPLed app, _can_ impose additional licensing requirements AS LONG AS those added requirements do not conflict with the GPL terms. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 01:22:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C91682 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:22:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96ED18FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAF1M6Qo057075; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAF1M5a3057072; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:22:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:22:05 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Matthias Apitz Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" In-Reply-To: <20121114185939.GA1111@tiny.Sisis.de> Message-ID: References: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> <20121114095745.7db0a9e0.freebsd@edvax.de> <1352883668.65811.YahooMailNeo@web126006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20121114101152.09b34640.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121114185939.GA1111@tiny.Sisis.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="3512871622-776869514-1352942526=:57026" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 18:22:06 -0700 (MST) Cc: "freebsd@dreamchaser.org" , Polytropon , FreeBSD Mailing List , Jack Mc Lauren X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 01:22:13 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3512871622-776869514-1352942526=:57026 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El día Wednesday, November 14, 2012 a las 09:45:22AM -0700, Warren Block escribió: > >>> One of the (in my opinion) most interesting reference sources >>> for dump/restore also mentions this format: >>> >>> # mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt >>> # mkdir /tmp/oldvar >>> # cd /tmp/oldvar >>> # restore -ruf /mnt/var.dump >> >> Yes, -u "unlinks" an existing file before restoring that file, useful >> for restoring dumps over an existing filesystem. Leave out the -u when >> restoring to a new filesystem and the restore will go faster. >> >>> # umount /mnt >> >> And that points out a mistake: /mnt can't be unmounted while it is the >> PWD. Fixed. > > I think PWD is /tmp/oldvar and not /mnt; Yes, you're correct. Re-fixed. Thanks! --3512871622-776869514-1352942526=:57026-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 02:06:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421C6E0D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6FB8FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAF263gk057272; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAF262Gd057269; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:06:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:06:02 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Mike Clarke Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. In-Reply-To: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="3512871622-605229302-1352945163=:57127" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:06:03 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:06:04 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --3512871622-605229302-1352945163=:57127 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Mike Clarke wrote: > On Wednesday 14 November 2012 19:43:30 Fernando Apesteguía wrote: > >> If I boot the system and plug the SD card in, the green led >> doesn't even switch on and there is only a /dev/da0 that I can not >> mount. If I boot the system with the card plugged in, the green led is >> on and there is a /dev/da0s1 device that I can't still mount because >> mount_msdosfs returns an Input/Output error after some time. > > I think that's pretty much standard behaviour. The solution appears to be > to "wake" it up with the following incantation: > > dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/da0 count=0 > > That's what works here. See the thread starting with > true > /dev/da0 is a little shorter and safer. The search keywords for this are "GEOM retaste" or "retasting". --3512871622-605229302-1352945163=:57127-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 02:32:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D1F105 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F0C8FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAF2WkBm033307 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:32:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A4544E.7030805@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:32:46 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: why sync during shutdown when sync already done? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:32:47 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:32:48 -0000 It's my understanding that the sequence of numbers one sees output when shutdown is issued reflect writes of cached items. Is that correct? If so, why does: sync shutdown -r now still show cached items being written? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 04:27:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA452D5 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076E88FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1954050821 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:27:10 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:27:10 -0800 Message-ID: <17388.1352953630@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:27:11 -0000 In message , Warren Block wrote: >On Tue, 13 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > >> OK. I think that I always was doing that anyway. But I want to be sure >> that I understand... If the size of the BSD partition is a multiple of, >> say, !MB, then the _alignment_ of that partition will likewise (auto- >> magically) be at least 1MB also? > >No. If you start with $0.63, and only add full dollars or tens, you >will still never have an integer amount of dollars. OK. I understand. However in my personal opinion, what this indicates to me is that the ``guided'' partitioning GUI stuff that is (nowadays) presented to the user who is installing FreeBSD 9.x could perhaps be called "mis-guided", given that there is no place that I have seen within this ``guided'' process where the user is even allowed to specify partition alignment. (And I gather from everything that has been said so far in this thread that if the alignment is set wrong, then the user is likely to pay a Big Price in terms of performance, right?) ... and I am almost tempted to file a formal PR about this, i.e. the fact that ``guided'' partitioning doesn't allow the user to specify the alignment of _anything_. >> Or do I need to set the alignment separately, e.g. my manually running >> bsdlabel? (Normally, I've just been using what noadays is being >> called "guided" partitioning, you know, with the friendly curses-based >> GUI. So As with fdisk, I have no real experience using bsdlabee from >> teh command line. But I guess it is time that i learned how.) > >I don't know of a way to make fdisk and bsdlabel do the correct >alignment. That also is rather entirely perplexing to me, especially given all else that I have learned already from and within this conversation. For example, I've learned that when one is using modern "Advanced Format) (4KB blocksize) hard disks, it is Bad (capital `B') to allow any partition to be aligned to anything other than (at least) a 4KB boundary, _and_ that newfs has already, apparently been modified/updated so that it's minimum default fragment size is 4KB. Given these facts, I am more than a little surpised to learn (or rather just to realize) that the good old traditional fdisk and bsdlabel tools do not have ways to explicitly specify minimum alignment _and_ that these tools are still being distributed with FreeBSD. Do the most recent versions of fdisk and bsdlabel that are now shipping with FreeBSD at least mirror the change that has been introduced into newfs? I mean do they also always round everything to (minimum) 4KB boundaries? If not, then I can see the possibility of a lot of people using these tools and then ending up with some quite perplexing problems. And as long as we are on the subject... I'm now looking through the fdisk man page (in far more detail than I ever have before) and I am seeing some comments about alignment, but for me at least, they are all cryptic at best. (Not that they wern't already, long before now. I confess that I've never really dregded into this stuff very much, but on the rare occasions when I have tried to do so in the past, it was, as I remember, already rather befuddling.) For example, here are some excerpts from the fdisk man page: If you hand craft your disk layout, please make sure that the FreeBSD slice starts on a cylinder boundary. ... Note: the start offset will be rounded upwards to a head boundary if necessary, and the end offset will be rounded downwards to a cylinder boundary if necessary. These passages didn't make any sense to me even the first time I read them, years ago, and they appear to make even less now... now that we are in an age when disks have these 4KB physical read/write units (rather than the old standard of 512B), and also when, as I understand it, "disk geometry" has long ago become largely if not entirely just a convenient fiction, told by disk drives to their controllers in order to make ancient legacy BIOSes and other ancient legacy software happy. Why was it ever of any special value to start something on a ``cylinder'' boundary? And more to the point, is it_still_ of any actual value to do so? And of course I have the same question for the ends of things... Why was it ever of any value to *end* things on a ``cylinder'' boundary, and does doing that still have any value at all in the modern era? And of course, I have all the same questions regarding ``head'' boundaries. What in God's name was ever beneficial about starting a partition (or anything else for that matter) on a ``head'' boundary? And is this at all relevant for any hardware that's been manufactured within the last 10 years? (And by the way, I am an old geezer, and I _do_ remember the ancient times when disk drives actually told the real unvarnished truth, and when OSes actually did go to some lengths to try to implement optimized disk usage strategies, e.g. to try to keep the heads as close to the centers of their ranges as possible, and so forth. But I gather that all this stuff went the way of the dinosaurs long long ago, and thus, my questions.) >But that's okay, because gpart(8) does everything they do, >and more. Creating MBRs and bsdlabels is more work, but gpart can do >it, and do the juggling to get the bsdlabel partitions to line up. Reading the gpart(8) man page, I see that you are (of course) 100% correct. It can do all I might need and more. But I also have a number of questions about gpart. (See below.) >Again, I suggest that GPT is the much easier and more versatile way. OK, I'm conservative in my approach to technology generally, and I've learned the hard way not to try most new ``innovations'' until at least v2.0, by which time, hopefully, all of the kinks have been worked out. But GPT has been around for awhile now and I'm willing to take a crack at this new way of partitioning. And I've already put a fresh blank disk in one of my machines that I'm ready to try it on, but... I'm looking at the examples section of the gpart(8) man page. May I assume that if I just want to merely ``try out'' GPT... you know... taking it out on the road for a first time test run... that I can just do the first five (5) commands listed under EXAMPLES and then that will be enough to go ahead and try installing FreeBSD into the created freebsd-ufs partition? Even assuming that the answer is yes, I have still more questions... Where are these magic numbers coming from?? I am specifically talking about the number "34" in the "-b 34" option and also the number "162" in the "-b 162" option. Tha man page just tosses those into the example command lines without saying a word about them. And you can probably guess what it is that is especially troubling to me about them... neither one of them is divisible by 8 (i.e. 4KB/512B). So would the examples in the current gpart(8) man page produce an Epic Fail when and if they were used with a modern "Advanced Format" drive? >But if you insist on MBR/bsdlabel... No, actually, now I am motivated to make the leap to using GPT... *if* I can just manage to make heads or tails of it, that is. But this whole alignment issue is now making me go back (e.g. to the older tools fdisk and bsdlabel) and question whether I even ever properly understood what _that stuff_ was doing (and more importantly *why* it was doing it) with respect to alignment. Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 05:01:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAFDDD3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3848FC15 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id qAF51XYP086686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:01:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id qAF51X4Y086685; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:01:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA07257; Wed, 14 Nov 12 20:48:47 PST Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:48:29 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com (Perry Hutchison) To: bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com Subject: Re: well, try here first... Message-Id: <50a4d68d.qkjphs18bGRIYrhE%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <201211140658.qAE6w2tT090220@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201211140658.qAE6w2tT090220@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@edvax.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:01:40 -0000 Robert Bonomi wrote: > > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 05:48:48 +0100 > > From: Polytropon > > Subject: Re: well, try here first... > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:20:51 -0700, Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote: > > > > > > To be fair, a lot of the same rules exist for English. The > > > comma is not optional or left to preferences in English, > > > either. There are definite rules and it brings structure. > > > > That matches what I've learned in school, but it doesn't match > > realitiy anymore. :-) > > > > A famous thing is "comma in lists": Unlike German, where "and" > > substitutes a comma, in English it seems to be valid to put a > > comma infront of "and": > > In 'classic' English (as taught in the 60s and earlier), a comma > was _required_ before a trailing 'and' in a list of 3 or more > items, and forbidden if there were only two items. By the time I got to high school (mid-60's), the comma before 'and' (or 'or') in a list of three or more was being taught as optional. My junior-in-college daughter tells me it is still being taught that way today. She and I have each come to the conclusion that it should _not_ be considered optional, because omitting it can sometimes cause the last two items in the list to appear as one item (at least on a first reading -- and one should not need to read things a second time to understand the punctuation). Last I heard, we have the Associated Press to thank for this travesty, their style manual having been revised in the late 1950's or early 1960's to say something along the lines of "don't use a comma in that situation unless it's necessary for clarity." I suppose it may have had something to do with saving a fraction of a second of Teletype time, and a minuscule amount of space in a newspaper column (which could occasionally lengthen/shorten a story by an entire line), every time such a construct turned up in a news story. Neither column space nor Teletype time was exactly inexpensive back then. > The accepted 'rules' changed about the time "new math" was foisted > on the world. The most visible ones involved comma placement, and > punctuation inside trailing quotes. > > The password is "frodo." > It is 5 characters long. > > The password is "frodo." > It is 6 characters long. > > BAH, HUMBUG!!! > > Make the first one: > The password is "frodo". > and all the ambiguity goes away. <*snarl*> I think the AP may have been behind this one too, although I don't see how the rationalization could have involved either space or transmission time. Meanwhile, a question mark or exclamation point in the same circumstances is supposed to be placed inside _or_ outside the closing quotation mark, depending on whether or not it is part of the material being quoted. IMO it makes more sense to apply that same rule to periods and commas also. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 05:50:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580FABCB for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD308FC1D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAF5oU6m058683; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:50:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAF5oUxX058680; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:50:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:50:30 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <17388.1352953630@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <17388.1352953630@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:50:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:50:32 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > (And I gather from everything that has been said > so far in this thread that if the alignment is set wrong, then the user > is likely to pay a Big Price in terms of performance, right?) Yes. > ... and I am almost tempted to file a formal PR about this, i.e. the fact > that ``guided'' partitioning doesn't allow the user to specify the alignment > of _anything_. There are a couple PRs like that already. >>> Or do I need to set the alignment separately, e.g. my manually running >>> bsdlabel? (Normally, I've just been using what noadays is being >>> called "guided" partitioning, you know, with the friendly curses-based >>> GUI. So As with fdisk, I have no real experience using bsdlabee from >>> teh command line. But I guess it is time that i learned how.) >> >> I don't know of a way to make fdisk and bsdlabel do the correct >> alignment. > > That also is rather entirely perplexing to me, especially given all else > that I have learned already from and within this conversation. fdisk and bsdlabel are old tools. Disks have had 512-byte blocks for a very long time. > For example, I've learned that when one is using modern "Advanced > Format) (4KB blocksize) hard disks, it is Bad (capital `B') to allow > any partition to be aligned to anything other than (at least) a 4KB > boundary, _and_ that newfs has already, apparently been modified/updated > so that it's minimum default fragment size is 4KB. The larger size was an option to newfs, the defaults have just been changed. > Given these facts, I am more than a little surpised to learn (or rather > just to realize) that the good old traditional fdisk and bsdlabel tools > do not have ways to explicitly specify minimum alignment _and_ that > these tools are still being distributed with FreeBSD. There may be a way, I haven't bothered to look. As I said, gpart does everything fdisk and bsdlabel can do. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 05:53:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D613BCAB for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ED28FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAF5rp2G033805 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:53:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ah@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A4836F.7000702@dreamchaser.org> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:53:51 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ugh. dump / restore problem(s) "Cannot find file dump list" References: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <50A3543E.9000406@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:53:51 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:53:52 -0000 > did the following: > booted to backup disk > dump -0aR -h 0 -f /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 /dev/ada0p4 > (repeat for /tmp, /usr, / partitions to be safe) > repartitioned the main disk using gpart > newfs the modified partitions (var, tmp, usr) > rewrote the boot block and boot partition (#1) > mount /dev/ada0p4 /mnt/ssd/var > cd /mnt/ssd/var > restore -r /usr/backup/dump_var_0_20121113_1920 > Cannot find file dump list ok, after digging around in my notes and memory I have a better understanding of what actually happened: I went through several reboot sequences, between the backup disk and the main disk. After generating the /var dump file on the backup disk while booted from the backup disk, I did a shutdown -r to reboot the main disk; can't remember why. What I do remember is that the dump itself, running as root from ttyv5, appeared to terminate normally, with no error message; I got the # prompt. However, as the shutdown was happening, I saw the message: Dump failed, partition too small on ttyv1 -- despite the fact that the command completed without any message on the controlling terminal, ttyv5. The destination file-system was nowhere near full, and the source was read-only, so I stupidly assumed the output was ok and the message was the result of some other niggly thing. Obviously dump ran out of space (the file is exactly a multiple of the block size and apparently truncated), and the dump directory can't be found. But where it ran out of space is unclear to me, as the destination file system was nowhere near full before or after the event, and contains two much larger intact dump sets (for / and /usr) and one of those was written after the truncated ones. The question I have is: Why didn't the dump failure message show up on the controlling terminal? It's not clear which partition ran out of space. Does dump use /tmp or /var? /tmp and /var on the running backup os are relative small (512MB), and the filesystem being dumped was the same size and ~70% full. If dump uses /tmp and tmp runs out of space and the tty output of dump is depending on a socket in /tmp, that might cause a problem. But once the process terminates, if it cleans up after itself there's no trace of the overflow. crazy? it was kinda late at night... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 06:10:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F81809 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8038FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAF6A4Vg058829; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:10:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAF6A42T058826; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:10:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:10:04 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <17388.1352953630@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <17388.1352953630@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:10:04 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:10:05 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > I'm looking at the examples section of the gpart(8) man page. May I > assume that if I just want to merely ``try out'' GPT... you know... > taking it out on the road for a first time test run... that I can > just do the first five (5) commands listed under EXAMPLES and then > that will be enough to go ahead and try installing FreeBSD into the > created freebsd-ufs partition? > > Even assuming that the answer is yes, I have still more questions... > Where are these magic numbers coming from?? I am specifically talking > about the number "34" in the "-b 34" option and also the number "162" > in the "-b 162" option. Tha man page just tosses those into the example > command lines without saying a word about them. And you can probably > guess what it is that is especially troubling to me about them... neither > one of them is divisible by 8 (i.e. 4KB/512B). So would the examples > in the current gpart(8) man page produce an Epic Fail when and if they > were used with a modern "Advanced Format" drive? -b is the beginning block of a partition. 34 is a magic value, the size of a standard GPT partition table. A good overall reference on GPT is the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table Remember that the man page is a reference, not a tutorial. I wanted more specific notes that followed best practices, and that was the source for this article: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html In general, you create a "partition scheme" first. This can be MBR, GPT, or others. (But use GPT.) Rather than combine the bootcode with the partition table, GPT just uses a small partition for it. Since the standard GPT allows for up to 128 partitions, there's no reason not to use them. Next come other partitions for UFS or ZFS filesystems or swap. That's it, really. The rest is details the man page can explain, like additional options for alignment. (The creation of the first UFS partition in the article does not use -a because older versions of gpart did unexpected things when -a and -b were combined. The alignment produced is correct.) 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Warmest, LH From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 06:28:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDAADD0 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:28:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B438FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E5D27735; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:28:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAF6SYn5002021; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:28:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:28:34 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: curious -- what's /tmp/fam-root ? Message-Id: <20121115072834.0c034202.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50A3FD6E.6080607@dreamchaser.org> References: <50A3FD6E.6080607@dreamchaser.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:28:42 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:22:06 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > Just curious; what's the purpose of /tmp/fam-root, and what is written there? > Is it simply where the os writes stuff which is sensitive, > and putting it in a rwx------ directory avoids potential security issues > regarding file access? > or is there more to it than that? I think this is part of FAM - file alternation monitor, and the particular directory is for root, that's why it is "user-protected". I'm not sure if this is part of the OS, cf. port gio-fam-backend (belongs to GIO, which probably belongs to something else that is then required by again something else...). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 06:36:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5F3FAD for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060428FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED2A27696; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:36:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAF6aBgu002063; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:36:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:36:11 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: why sync during shutdown when sync already done? Message-Id: <20121115073611.acfe39f5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50A4544E.7030805@dreamchaser.org> References: <50A4544E.7030805@dreamchaser.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:36:13 -0000 On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:32:46 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > It's my understanding that the sequence of numbers one sees output when > shutdown is issued reflect writes of cached items. > Is that correct? > > If so, why does: > sync > shutdown -r now > still show cached items being written? Issuing the "sync" command simply tells the OS to sync any modified file I/O buffers (cache) that aren't written yet. It does not imply that the OS will do it _exactly now_, and even more, that it will _have done_ it when the command returns. So if you call sync(), the kernel will be instructed to perform the syncing operation. But keep in mind that the actual device drivers (e. g. for the hard disk in question) may delay the transfer to the disk, but tell the kernel that the operation has been completed. This minimal time window can probably be ignored, but from my understanding, syncing is a "multi-staged process". The "shutdown sync" seems to have a specific timeout that makes sure things get written definitely. That's why even the famous # sync ; sync ; sync ; reboot sequence would have the same effect. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Since then everything is messed up.=0ANow I delet= ed perl 5.10 and reinstalled perl 5.10 and everything which depends on it a= nd still have the following error:=0A=0A=0A# portversion -v=0A[Updating the= pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 626 packages found (-1 +0) (= ...) done]=0AStale dependency: bsdpan-RRDp-0.99.0 --> perl-5.10.1_7 -- manu= ally run 'pkgdb -F' to fix, or specify -O to force.=0A=0AI tried pkgdb -F b= ut it can't fix, also tried to delete rrdtool and reinstall, but still the = same issue. I'm running=A08.3-RELEASE-p3.=0A=0ADo you have any idea how to = solve this issue?=0A=0AThx!=0ALaszlo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 07:37:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA81DD6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier2553@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ea0-f182.google.com (mail-ea0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC2C8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f182.google.com with SMTP id c10so673043eaa.13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:37:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=d6wbzm6p+pylz59gIuW9DamkhFdue+sXrqjHMLwZD6c=; b=M+yyoju8KT+fs398ueSyZX2l8FrPA46WiKyKOiN6bZqGdCudkROtYHXkk6IcbPkAzz XOGYgHYHFPhm8u1Re8eKN7rVfHyTAtBTzQVG1pz2KqA3jf8TS7WiMTmav3L20Mu6eYQZ e0Lb3Ng1ybZAH4JLdkJ8mEvzWxtFE1mFplUn+oEn3P0kEMjZJPCeQW+0sfnUB1djGMSp QiZ1SLIyuJzinJOW1j/JfW1fEaQpFgbijuujOdAo74JOEnaGJyE2zy1fniPxzjVClSES 21IGu2C6Qs1XBvsGA08dSj2Q3+3ouIn19rV348al+1fAWnU235vIhRzkWS7tcrKMIqgV EJnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.200.194 with SMTP id z42mr1218274een.13.1352965052347; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:37:32 -0800 (PST) Sender: olivier2553@gmail.com Received: by 10.14.221.201 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:37:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1352964601.35262.YahooMailNeo@web160505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1352964601.35262.YahooMailNeo@web160505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:37:32 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VtcrAA_AmHgheE4IJamj2OaoZ2I Message-ID: Subject: Re: perl, rrdtool issue From: Olivier Nicole To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?D=E1nielisz_L=E1szl=F3?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:37:34 -0000 Laszlo, > Yesterday I issued the following command which I regretted: portupgrade -CPy, and this little tool installed perl 5.12 while perl 5.10 was already on the system. Since then everything is messed up. > Now I deleted perl 5.10 and reinstalled perl 5.10 and everything which depends on it and still have the following error: What I usually do is upgrading every Perl packages after I upgraded Perl. Something like portupgrade -R perl should do. Or do it manually, one port at a time if you are afraid to break something else. For having done it recently, from perl to rrdtool it's less than 10 ports to get it back working. best regards, olivier > # portversion -v > [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 626 packages found (-1 +0) (...) done] > Stale dependency: bsdpan-RRDp-0.99.0 --> perl-5.10.1_7 -- manually run 'pkgdb -F' to fix, or specify -O to force. > > I tried pkgdb -F but it can't fix, also tried to delete rrdtool and reinstall, but still the same issue. I'm running 8.3-RELEASE-p3. > > Do you have any idea how to solve this issue? > > Thx! > Laszlo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 07:45:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53D5B7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier2553@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB4D8FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:45:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c13so977600eek.13 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:45:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=JsXh4vMBfXGrsfAy9EoCVqWoB+qH1ZNZ5S92+uvB278=; b=Iq/Xyk2fZ/dZU/gBu0EcR0Xn5JnmCbBKsUPh8QJdIcB4B72qCfhc3YYM4juodF2T4+ zp3c0w884YYK+hp2FAGB3fPuHXQTrsM/wh1EAz+fRpZiBCcyCC9TFiPht1sg2RFC4A/k 4hmS2AX7cGGcUSqXB4e7su7hkZTKF3MmaBS7vNd7ZAm/UTF07XkRyaaRj+wzfNj3uSMX PYaGgTB4fj+5sS9+7dyGAlu8cj7snQHmxISE+IcHFriQg7cIEAwqpGXPlz2zWYH3GOKz xy1A6P8id1LoDoBWBE2Z135QK8LpMZKnz9XY8yYGQSAUm9/pcPYPxKCwTVBzxFLIhFt4 dGdg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.174.194 with SMTP id x42mr1212287eel.22.1352965532574; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:45:32 -0800 (PST) Sender: olivier2553@gmail.com Received: by 10.14.221.201 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:45:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:45:32 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -UYBb5MU8NHomjvadpes5nYeNR0 Message-ID: Subject: Amanda not working in 8.3 From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:45:34 -0000 Hi, Since I updated all my servers from previous versions of FreeBSD to 8.3 (p4), Amanda started failing for any big back-up. I cannot trace the problem and would appreciate some help. For one of the big file system, I did a manual tar-gzip-ssh to amanda server. It proceeded well, so it seems it is not a timeout in process or network. TIA. Olivier From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 07:48:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237DD18C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:48:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlo_danielisz@yahoo.com) Received: from nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7748FC15 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.230] by nm3.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2012 07:48:31 -0000 Received: from [217.146.188.175] by tm11.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2012 07:48:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp143.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2012 07:48:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1352965710; bh=xI3dxlAMRrLzVjxbIsJNzlqtl3ASnAJb1ThWY6juo3M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Date:From:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f/8UVxku135CT/bOT5VVuCVOwRuBWV8ES5BQVPu05zA8q2H6PTao/8P7viG8tTifkvyirrad3EEeXImZvRC4n2YmFipBm4Su+YWHg1SYPukuJH+Zd/Hae0y0g5GfWXKp9Hwg4AgWsl59ijxIU1ukl5CP7wLgkuPcLAZFXyv3/Ts= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 756469.64916.bm@smtp143.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 8YK3b_AVM1k947Ms.20WLY5GYV_q.svItZuqQHRboMq.4zz Zn1X.4XDEDmUWCnAND9lcv9CbCUwl0Hh9D9OoSPd57unin5q1AUPhP7fAYV9 N1amNlkIjw7WIJOnsTS8RuG95bALaq0mEtfUQn.FBxQyP5ajCybYz9554UO6 .TS9L8hWYMLC7g16IavxXLB5TbtsNphjd6bVFtCwjFOOjm5segzPmPiRNrNO Wip.BlkuC5pG5mpDnXKaPxD8lCxONNwkI4nm6EL4cTHFEqqSh7KuOyny7VNm AIrs1KyAide0CPb5ylyL2xl2yR3dHLM2NGf0e49zoHAQ5_nF3eTfWbw04G.f Y_DJ5B24cA33rdAB.FN7X4NyfxpDN22RfuWYsSx.7KcmhICmlvEY22Ka5eFT LPmb.3qRCJvsGt1UV6_WbQ3Ax_yQOou8ylWQfzLy0cL9F0jW1gnkS5nRGCmh C.RLx0H5uCJf154baW1urCGhM0e97HPgCPkih1fUhBbthjWSvmFvSl47MPHD N95NagMboEGLvPIUOrcWTdjc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: QwgFOT2swBC9RbEk7L61j8D8oTJpwuBOkZBcLzY- Received: from [192.168.1.10] (laszlo_danielisz@89.133.21.244 with plain) by smtp143.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2012 23:48:30 -0800 PST Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:48:30 +0100 From: Laszlo Danielisz To: "=?utf-8?Q?freebsd-questions=40freebsd.org?=" Message-ID: <3B7F52B165FC48AB99B81B2588984BF5@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1352964601.35262.YahooMailNeo@web160505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: perl, rrdtool issue X-Mailer: sparrow 1.6.4 (build 1176) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Olivier Nicole X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:48:34 -0000 Actually I did portupgrade -rf, and still have the issue with that bsdpan-RRDp-0.99.0. And because of that my munin isn't working, I'm getting email like: "Can't locate Munin/Common/Defaults.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4 .) at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4/Munin/Master/Update.pm line 14." On 2012 November 15 Thursday at 8:37 AM, Olivier Nicole wrote: > Laszlo, > > > Yesterday I issued the following command which I regretted: portupgrade -CPy, and this little tool installed perl 5.12 while perl 5.10 was already on the system. Since then everything is messed up. > > Now I deleted perl 5.10 and reinstalled perl 5.10 and everything which depends on it and still have the following error: > > > > > What I usually do is upgrading every Perl packages after I upgraded Perl. > > Something like portupgrade -R perl should do. > > Or do it manually, one port at a time if you are afraid to break something else. > > For having done it recently, from perl to rrdtool it's less than 10 > ports to get it back working. > > best regards, > > olivier > > > # portversion -v > > [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 626 packages found (-1 +0) (...) done] > > Stale dependency: bsdpan-RRDp-0.99.0 --> perl-5.10.1_7 -- manually run 'pkgdb -F' to fix, or specify -O to force. > > > > I tried pkgdb -F but it can't fix, also tried to delete rrdtool and reinstall, but still the same issue. I'm running 8.3-RELEASE-p3. > > > > Do you have any idea how to solve this issue? > > > > Thx! > > Laszlo > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org (mailto:freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org)" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org (mailto:freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org)" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 08:55:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F933195 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier2553@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C139E8FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c13so1019671eek.13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:55:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=/Hl3xTfXl8kcjJxBzUMAV8vwF36FNejBjoQCdlW7Vug=; b=kjnTQLDHRiKiHQrhyV1UX2LEBht3iZcEtn1ILbqN09P+WcLQeyCuV8HTLqq4j9Dw4M wQr3NVydiFOpMLMD6tLp6j0irouf3TayFLbrbGKKSBlaBJynNipR19JObFTNuqMDdLXv hz5LO4cJ0/Ltx6lU2XmZvtotkV8BPlzYBeTEnxy+80oKSNAGHXti3TH+0f8EQr2DKV1g llr8VpWhwH65QM4zqkceHcCZREnTgTeJOc93/pkJpkMRAtWK7MoQu1Vh4WUcVbe/AaN9 AEv7eBla9v5d8EYiWc4mBaXyxyWPXuqXTR8x0mw9khEgpzoISd76166KnZ0D1MPaE9iB Njsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.200.194 with SMTP id z42mr1866738een.13.1352969741764; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:55:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: olivier2553@gmail.com Received: by 10.14.221.201 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:55:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3B7F52B165FC48AB99B81B2588984BF5@yahoo.com> References: <1352964601.35262.YahooMailNeo@web160505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3B7F52B165FC48AB99B81B2588984BF5@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:55:41 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oF1rx1XPz2fZe5StuSGTuIUC5Vg Message-ID: Subject: Re: perl, rrdtool issue From: Olivier Nicole To: Laszlo Danielisz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:55:49 -0000 > Actually I did portupgrade -rf, and still have the issue with that > bsdpan-RRDp-0.99.0. > And because of that my munin isn't working, I'm getting email like: > > "Can't locate Munin/Common/Defaults.pm in @INC (@INC contains: It seems that you need to reinstall Munin, not RRDtool. And from the error message, it still uses Perl 5.12 Olivier > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4/BSDPAN > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4 /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4/mach > /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.12.4 .) at > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.12.4/Munin/Master/Update.pm line 14." > > > On 2012 November 15 Thursday at 8:37 AM, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > Laszlo, > > Yesterday I issued the following command which I regretted: portupgrade > -CPy, and this little tool installed perl 5.12 while perl 5.10 was already > on the system. Since then everything is messed up. > Now I deleted perl 5.10 and reinstalled perl 5.10 and everything which > depends on it and still have the following error: > > > What I usually do is upgrading every Perl packages after I upgraded Perl. > > Something like portupgrade -R perl should do. > > Or do it manually, one port at a time if you are afraid to break something > else. > > For having done it recently, from perl to rrdtool it's less than 10 > ports to get it back working. > > best regards, > > olivier > > # portversion -v > [Updating the pkgdb in /var/db/pkg ... - 626 packages > found (-1 +0) (...) done] > Stale dependency: bsdpan-RRDp-0.99.0 --> perl-5.10.1_7 -- manually run > 'pkgdb -F' to fix, or specify -O to force. > > I tried pkgdb -F but it can't fix, also tried to delete rrdtool and > reinstall, but still the same issue. I'm running 8.3-RELEASE-p3. > > Do you have any idea how to solve this issue? > > Thx! > Laszlo > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 08:57:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD3D256 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D107C8FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAF8vHCp037297; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:19 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <50A4AE6D.5050908@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:17 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121029 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: 'device' representation in the filesystem questions References: <201211142338.qAENcEqx002393@mail.r-bonomi.com> In-Reply-To: <201211142338.qAENcEqx002393@mail.r-bonomi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:28 -0000 On 11/14/12 23:38, Robert Bonomi wrote: > > it appears that FreeBSD, at least 8.0 and later: > a) no longer uses 'raw' devices for anything > b) no longer uses 'block' devices for anything > c) randomly assigns device 'major' numbers > d) doesn't use device 'minor' numbers for anything. > e) as a result of c) and d), there is no way to > establish 'device' physical characteristics > from the 'node' information. > > Is there a wizzard who can confirm/deny? I'm not a wizard, I don't even count as a sorcerer's apprentice, but I can answer some of these. Firstly block devices were dropped when the unified VM cache came in as the semantics were incompatible. The Architecture Handbook has this rather terse entry about them: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/arch-handbook/driverbasics-block.html As for major device numbers, in the original days of Unix the device table was just that - an array in the kernel indexed by major device number to get the device operation switch. (Actually there were two tables, one for cdevs and one for bdevs, but the principle's the same.) Device nodes in the file system were simple special inodes containing a (major, minor) pair and created statically by mknod. However, as more devices with different drivers came along it made sense to switch to the current model in which devices are discovered dynamically, both at boot and as they're plugged in and out. and /dev is a "magic" file system maintained by the kernel and daemons. It's a long time since I was very familiar with kernel internals, but I presume internally devices are now pointers and the device numbering fields returned by stat are simply for backwards compatibility. As for the rest, you need someone more familiar with current kernel internals than I am - my main kernel hacking days ran from the Sixth Edition to BSD 4.2 and faded out as System V.4 came in. If no one turns up here, maybe try freebsd-hackers@ > Or, if there's a better place to ask, can anyone point me there? > > There are significant performance and 'addressability' issues when doing > i/o directly to 'fixed block' devices, especially 'write-once' media.` > > The classical 'block' device type was a reliable indicator of 'fixed block' > behavior, how does one make that determination today? > > Is there any way to get 'classic' mag-tape behavior -- where, for example > a read(2) returned the lesser of the bytes in the block, and positioned > to the beginning of the next, regardless of whether the etire content of > the current block had been read ?` I haven't seen a real mag tape drive in over a decade, so have no hope of commenting on that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 09:07:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F133FE for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F958FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81F45E3FF for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.559, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wlmpU34ACvBX for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:51 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from [172.17.0.111] (c-195-216-043-059.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.43.59]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238335E23F for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:56 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: "Light" word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:07:05 -0000 Hello I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me. My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little older hardware is very long. Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? If I can get an alternative to Calc also it's a plus but not a big problem. The main work I do will still be done on machines that can build LibreOffice. Now and then I need to open an attached file, maybe edit it and send it back. It's for that purpose I need the light version. Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 09:12:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0171E4CD for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:12:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2F08FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F2A25230; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:12:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAF9CZKF002528; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:12:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:12:35 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: "Light" word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet Message-Id: <20121115101235.4fccc098.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> References: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:12:38 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:56 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > Hello > > I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me. > > My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little older > hardware is very long. Why not use the binary install method (pkg_add -r)? The default options should work fine. > Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? Yes, you can use abiword, part of the Gnome office suite, but it's a standalone word processor. > If I can get an alternative to Calc also it's a plus but not a big problem. There is gnumeric for that task, the "companion" of abiword. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 09:18:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB645B3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9BC8FC16 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916145E411; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:18:26 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.559, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id qzI2V1hu6VHD; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:18:25 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from [172.17.0.111] (c-195-216-043-059.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.43.59]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BEC5E40A; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:18:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50A4B371.8000004@eskk.nu> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:18:41 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon Subject: Re: "Light" word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet References: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> <20121115101235.4fccc098.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121115101235.4fccc098.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:18:28 -0000 Polytropon skrev 2012-11-15 10:12: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:56 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: >> >> Hello >> >> I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me. >> >> My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little older >> hardware is very long. > > Why not use the binary install method (pkg_add -r)? The > default options should work fine. Maybe I'll try that. I never got into packages, I always ended up compiling dependencies anyway so I dropped it ;-) Thanks! > > > >> Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? > > Yes, you can use abiword, part of the Gnome office suite, but > it's a standalone word processor. > > > >> If I can get an alternative to Calc also it's a plus but not a big problem. > > There is gnumeric for that task, the "companion" of abiword. :-) > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 09:39:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EDAAFE for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:39:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller23@insightbb.com) Received: from mail.insightbb.com (smtp3.insight.synacor.com [208.47.185.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654808FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:39:10 +0000 (UTC) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=O+27TWBW c=1 sm=0 a=Dm9TOXL4taQ+Gy1KovpL+A==:17 a=jLN7EqiLvroA:10 a=9YQ-1ebCAAAA:8 a=-xSEaY_UsmsA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=nQ6UNwu886BEUUOGEoIA:9 a=hRzl48OXmVwA:10 a=Dm9TOXL4taQ+Gy1KovpL+A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com header.from=mueller23@insightbb.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.insight.synacor.com smtp.mail=mueller23@insightbb.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (smtp02.insight.synacor.com: transitional domain insightbb.com does not designate 74.130.198.7 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.130.198.7] ([74.130.198.7:54003] helo=localhost) by mail.insightbb.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.49 r(42060/42061)) with ESMTP id 4B/91-25607-F66B4A05; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:31:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: <4B.91.25607.F66B4A05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. Cc: Mike Clarke X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:39:11 -0000 > >I think that's pretty much standard behaviour. The solution appears to be > >to "wake" it up with the following incantation: > > dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/da0 count=0 > >That's what works here. See the thread starting with > > > true > /dev/da0 > is a little shorter and safer. The search keywords for this are "GEOM > retaste" or "retasting". Could you also do a read such as dd if=/dev/da0 of=/dev/null bs=16k count=1 ? Tom From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 09:43:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68D2BF9 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:43:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from avasout07.plus.net (avasout07.plus.net [84.93.230.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2147C8FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout07 with smtp id Pljj1k005516WCc01ljkKS; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:43:44 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=NJFXCjGg c=1 sm=1 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=rLpCYgkgFLgA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=-xSEaY_UsmsA:10 a=SS7Why4aD7dVbYiHyNQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1TYvz5-0001JD-70 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:43:43 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:43:42 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201211150943.42772.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:43:52 -0000 On Thursday 15 November 2012 02:06:02 Warren Block wrote: > true > /dev/da0 > > is a little shorter and safer. =A0The search keywords for this are "GEOM > retaste" or "retasting". Thanks Warren. I wasn't aware of that option, it's certainly much neater an= d=20 less prone to typing errors. =2D-=20 Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 09:53:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF84DD39 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:53:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3258FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801D527844 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:53:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAF9roJg002684 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:53:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:53:50 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. Message-Id: <20121115105350.3c65aedf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201211150943.42772.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> References: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <201211150943.42772.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:53:52 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:43:42 +0000, Mike Clarke wrote: > On Thursday 15 November 2012 02:06:02 Warren Block wrote: >=20 > > true > /dev/da0 > > > > is a little shorter and safer. =A0The search keywords for this are "GEOM > > retaste" or "retasting". >=20 > Thanks Warren. I wasn't aware of that option, it's certainly much neater = and=20 > less prone to typing errors. Is there a recommended way to automate the "GEOM re-tasting" so SD cards can be accessed without further interaction (by simply using the correct mount command)? --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 12:13:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB629435 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38EC8FC18 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A5E5081D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:13:52 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:13:52 -0800 Message-ID: <21632.1352981632@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:13:55 -0000 In message , Warren Block wrote: >On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >... >> Given these facts, I am more than a little surpised to learn (or rather >> just to realize) that the good old traditional fdisk and bsdlabel tools >> do not have ways to explicitly specify minimum alignment _and_ that >> these tools are still being distributed with FreeBSD. > >There may be a way, I haven't bothered to look. As I said, gpart does >everything fdisk and bsdlabel can do. Well, given that newfs has been ``fixed'' so that its defaults will Do The Right Thing with the latest generation of (4KB block) disks, I for one would like to register my vote for fdisk and bsdlabel to either (a) be likewise fixed so that they also will default to Doing The Right Thing (with the current generation of disks) or else (b) be removed from future releases, based on the fact that (apparently) they are now so old that nobody cares about them anymore and/or that their defaults, when (foolishly?) relied upon, are likely to produce Bad Performance, aka Bad Behavior. And also, please don't forget the other points I mentioned, i.e. that the man page for fdisk makes several references to alignment on ``cylinder'' and/or ``head'' boundaries. Are those things even relavant anymore? Have they been, anytime in the past 10+ years? (I am guessing that there may be other similarly antiquated references to boundaries that haven't been meaningful for a long long time also in the bdslabel man page, although I confess that didn't even look.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 12:41:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55E5B7E for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDE08FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C20350821 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:41:32 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 04:41:32 -0800 Message-ID: <21828.1352983292@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:41:33 -0000 In message , Warren Block wrote: >On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > >> I'm looking at the examples section of the gpart(8) man page. May I >> assume that if I just want to merely ``try out'' GPT... you know... >> taking it out on the road for a first time test run... that I can >> just do the first five (5) commands listed under EXAMPLES and then >> that will be enough to go ahead and try installing FreeBSD into the >> created freebsd-ufs partition? >> >> Even assuming that the answer is yes, I have still more questions... >> Where are these magic numbers coming from?? I am specifically talking >> about the number "34" in the "-b 34" option and also the number "162" >> in the "-b 162" option. Tha man page just tosses those into the example >> command lines without saying a word about them. And you can probably >> guess what it is that is especially troubling to me about them... neither >> one of them is divisible by 8 (i.e. 4KB/512B). So would the examples >> in the current gpart(8) man page produce an Epic Fail when and if they >> were used with a modern "Advanced Format" drive? > >-b is the beginning block of a partition. 34 is a magic value, the size >of a standard GPT partition table. It probably wouldn't have hurt anything to mention that in the gpart man page. And what about 162? Is that magic too? If so, how? I seriously do not know. >A good overall reference on GPT is >the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table > >Remember that the man page is a reference, not a tutorial. Actually, it is clearly both. We all know that man pages are primarily supposed to be (minimal?) reference documents, but you cannot claim with a straight face that any man page that contains an EXAMPLES section is not also serving as a rudimentary tutorial. Personally, I find the minimalist tutorials that are often found within EXAMPLES sections of man page quite helpful, gpart(8) included. But in this specific case the pulling of number, apparently out of thin air (at least from the point of view of the uninitiated) rather significantly degrades the educational value. >I wanted >more specific notes that followed best practices, and that was the >source for this article: >http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html It is very helpful (and very appreciated!) that you were kind enough to create that document, which is clearly more unambiguously a tutorial. But really, the gpart(8) man page got me about 97% of the way there, even without me having to consult external references. If it just had not been for those mystery numbers... >In general, you create a "partition scheme" first. This can be MBR, >GPT, or others. (But use GPT.) Yea. I got that part. >Rather than combine the bootcode with the partition table, GPT just uses >a small partition for it. Since the standard GPT allows for up to 128 >partitions, there's no reason not to use them. Got it. Thanks. >Next come other partitions for UFS or ZFS filesystems or swap. Right. >That's it, really. The rest is details the man page can explain, like >additional options for alignment. (The creation of the first UFS >partition in the article does not use -a because older versions of gpart >did unexpected things when -a and -b were combined. The alignment >produced is correct.) Questions: In your tutorial document, you say: "Create a boot partition to hold the loader, size of 512K." How big is that thing (gpart boot loader), actually? Half a megabyte seems rather a bit large-ish, certainly relative to ye olde MBR loader, which I gather was limited to... what? 32KB (minus a little for the partition table) ? Also, when creating the partition to hold the GPT boot loader, shouldn't that "gpart add" operation include a "-b 4k" option, you know, on a modern "Advanced Format" disk? If not, why not? You also go on to say: "Create partition for /. It should start at the 1M boundary for proper sector alignment on 4K sector drives." Come again? Sorry, but you just lost me entirely. In order to get "proper sector alignment" on one of these newer Advanced Format (4k) drives, why on earth should it be necessary to begin a partition at some alignment which is greater than the obvious minimum, i.e. 4KB ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 13:37:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0E8768 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CA78FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA89A5E4A3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:37:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.558, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wHNY5Bb7jlon for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:37:04 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from [172.17.0.111] (c-195-216-043-059.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.43.59]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C6A5E2FA for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:37:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50A4F011.4020305@eskk.nu> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:37:21 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Shut-down when access to NFS share is gone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:37:07 -0000 I managed to shut down a machine with an NFS share before the connected client was shut down. Now this client won't shut down. It stands at : All buffers synced. I suspect it's waiting for the NFS server in order to disconnect. Is there any time-out I must wait for? Will it help to bring the NFS server back up? Can I in anyway tell such a client to ignore such an error? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 13:43:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93568996 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:43:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cwhiteh@onetel.com) Received: from honeysuckle.london.02.net (honeysuckle.london.02.net [87.194.255.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D158FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.50] (87.194.237.233) by honeysuckle.london.02.net (8.5.140) id 4FFD9654036C648A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:42:47 +0000 Message-ID: <50A4F157.40404@onetel.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:42:47 +0000 From: Chris Whitehouse User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111228 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? References: <21828.1352983292@tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <21828.1352983292@tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:43:57 -0000 > In message, > >> In general, you create a "partition scheme" first. This can be MBR, >> GPT, or others. (But use GPT.) Unless you want to dual boot with WinXP in which case use MBR still? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 13:49:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7B8A8B for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7E88FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFDmuPS049978; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:49:00 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <50A4F2C8.5040308@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:48:56 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121029 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? References: <21828.1352983292@tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: <21828.1352983292@tristatelogic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:49:02 -0000 On 11/15/12 12:41, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message , > Warren Block wrote: > >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> >>> I'm looking at the examples section of the gpart(8) man page. May I >>> assume that if I just want to merely ``try out'' GPT... you know... >>> taking it out on the road for a first time test run... that I can >>> just do the first five (5) commands listed under EXAMPLES and then >>> that will be enough to go ahead and try installing FreeBSD into the >>> created freebsd-ufs partition? >>> >>> Even assuming that the answer is yes, I have still more questions... >>> Where are these magic numbers coming from?? I am specifically talking >>> about the number "34" in the "-b 34" option and also the number "162" >>> in the "-b 162" option. Tha man page just tosses those into the example >>> command lines without saying a word about them. And you can probably >>> guess what it is that is especially troubling to me about them... neither >>> one of them is divisible by 8 (i.e. 4KB/512B). So would the examples >>> in the current gpart(8) man page produce an Epic Fail when and if they >>> were used with a modern "Advanced Format" drive? >> >> -b is the beginning block of a partition. 34 is a magic value, the size >> of a standard GPT partition table. > > It probably wouldn't have hurt anything to mention that in the gpart man > page. > > And what about 162? Is that magic too? If so, how? I seriously do not > know. The man example should be taken as a whole. You've got /sbin/gpart add -b 34 -s 128 -t freebsd-boot ad0 which gives you a 128 block partition starting at block 34, so the next free block is 162, and the next partition is explicitly started there in /sbin/gpart add -b 162 -s 1048576 -t freebsd-ufs ad0 No magic, just arithmetic. :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 14:11:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DC53EC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:11:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@suki.ishpeck.net) Received: from suki.ishpeck.net (67-222-225-246.static.orml012.digis.net [67.222.225.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E6118FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 31344 invoked by uid 1031); 15 Nov 2012 14:11:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:11:55 -0700 From: Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia To: Friedrich Locke Subject: Re: high performance server design approach Message-ID: <20121115141155.GC13837@suki.ishpeck.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:11:56 -0000 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 08:23:38AM -0200, Friedrich Locke wrote: > 0) To have a single process "accepting" incoming connection on port 80 and > send the new socket fd to one of the http server in a round-roubin manner, DJB's publicfile does something rather similar. http://cr.yp.to/publicfile.html You could spend all day wondering. But if you really want to know and not just argue, you should do as the author of that web server says: "Profile. Don't speculate." It may just be that context switches are not the real bottleneck in your service. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 14:15:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B55563 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:15:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716528FC17 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:15:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 16so2070565obc.13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:15:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ny/DnwvDogVzub8UUmYfXHNdPGv2fKXRj0gHJk58LX0=; b=aImgQKeUuzgE2u5JYBIBa/81KPb7cPkHEJqyBPHjPG+suXcWmIXyG6F1ZZRnCwC8ED El17jAnI0PK4DePogag9O6vv0KirCEhknVnlbV6caFyZgJKEi68Eq1ajWA7OP+XwvJgM Pc/bA52NaSaRCcFNuB5nORTCN9yCDufiAP44XngNNSclTJJIkgJr/q3vutRGaXvokY0o tGA3tIjpADTYm+xhb1i1oFl75cHTfbamvswMFtTo2QR2eiA1iCl+0I0GOdWkp0J2rih/ CVB0wwU0cnb4emzCehJ3n7/w7AIJrd4iYLEvskDLMbNRPmInnP5OOGuFxKImm6NhHSnE TWDg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.26.170 with SMTP id m10mr929069oeg.65.1352988952663; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.80.104 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:15:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A4F011.4020305@eskk.nu> References: <50A4F011.4020305@eskk.nu> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:15:52 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Shut-down when access to NFS share is gone From: Adam Vande More To: Leslie Jensen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:15:53 -0000 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > I managed to shut down a machine with an NFS share before the connected > client was shut down. > > Now this client won't shut down. It stands at : All buffers synced. > > I suspect it's waiting for the NFS server in order to disconnect. > > Is there any time-out I must wait for? Will it help to bring the NFS > server back up? > > Can I in anyway tell such a client to ignore such an error? > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mount_nfs&sektion=8 If the server becomes unresponsive while an NFS file system is mounted, any new or outstanding file operations on that file system will hang uninterruptibly until the server comes back. To modify this default be- haviour, see the *intr* and *soft* options. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 14:18:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568CA61D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F363C8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FE85E46C; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:18:22 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.557, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id JUTIrz+xFOZF; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:18:13 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from blj01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-043-059.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.43.59]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26645E4B7; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:18:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50A4F9A5.6090108@eskk.nu> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:18:13 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121115 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More Subject: Re: Shut-down when access to NFS share is gone References: <50A4F011.4020305@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:18:24 -0000 Thank you :-) I'll study it closer. /Leslie 2012-11-15 15:15, Adam Vande More skrev: > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Leslie Jensen wrote: > >> >> I managed to shut down a machine with an NFS share before the connected >> client was shut down. >> >> Now this client won't shut down. It stands at : All buffers synced. >> >> I suspect it's waiting for the NFS server in order to disconnect. >> >> Is there any time-out I must wait for? Will it help to bring the NFS >> server back up? >> >> Can I in anyway tell such a client to ignore such an error? >> > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=mount_nfs&sektion=8 > > If the server becomes unresponsive while an NFS file system is mounted, > any new or outstanding file operations on that file system will hang > uninterruptibly until the server comes back. To modify this default be- > haviour, see the *intr* and *soft* options. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 14:20:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0F76CA for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@suki.ishpeck.net) Received: from suki.ishpeck.net (67-222-225-246.static.orml012.digis.net [67.222.225.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87B5A8FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12940 invoked by uid 1031); 15 Nov 2012 14:20:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:20:06 -0700 From: Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: "Light" word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet Message-ID: <20121115142006.GA12650@suki.ishpeck.net> References: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:20:08 -0000 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:06:56AM +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: > Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? Maybe wordgrinder? http://wordgrinder.sourceforge.net/ Never tried it on FreeBSD (mostly because I refuse to install Lua) but it never takes long to build if it does work. :P From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 15:15:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47013171B for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39C68FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFFF1RP062909; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:15:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAFFF01d062904; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:15:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:15:00 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Thomas Mueller Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. In-Reply-To: <4B.91.25607.F66B4A05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> Message-ID: References: <4B.91.25607.F66B4A05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:15:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: Mike Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:15:03 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Thomas Mueller wrote: >>> I think that's pretty much standard behaviour. The solution appears to be >>> to "wake" it up with the following incantation: > >>> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/da0 count=0 > >>> That's what works here. See the thread starting with >>> > >> true > /dev/da0 > >> is a little shorter and safer. The search keywords for this are "GEOM >> retaste" or "retasting". > > Could you also do a read such as > > dd if=/dev/da0 of=/dev/null bs=16k count=1 Unfortunately, no. Retastes are only done after a device has been opened for write. true(1) is nice for that because it never actually writes anything. This still feels awkward and dangerous to me, and I'd like to see an explicit gretaste command. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 15:25:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBE11DDB for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:25:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CF88FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFFPnEK062991; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:25:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAFFPnxv062988; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:25:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:25:49 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Chris Whitehouse Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <50A4F157.40404@onetel.com> Message-ID: References: <21828.1352983292@tristatelogic.com> <50A4F157.40404@onetel.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:25:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:25:57 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Chris Whitehouse wrote: > >> In message, >> >>> In general, you create a "partition scheme" first. This can be MBR, >>> GPT, or others. (But use GPT.) > > Unless you want to dual boot with WinXP in which case use MBR still? Yes. The same for Vista or Windows 7, mostly. AFAIK, Windows 7 64-bit on a UEFI system is the only Windows that will boot from GPT. As I've said before, consider using VMs rather than dual booting. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 15:43:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BCE152 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10078FC18 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2418D4B206A for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:43:23 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.557, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zdkDSP0OWR0s for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:43:17 +0100 (CET) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from blj01.no-ip.org (c-195-216-043-059.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.43.59]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FAD4B2085 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:43:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <50A50D95.30600@eskk.nu> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:43:17 +0100 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121115 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: One disk shown as two in gsmartcontrol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:43:25 -0000 I'm configuring smartd on a newly installed system, 9.1-RC3 The message below is in my /var/log/messages Nov 15 14:39:49 blj01 kernel: ada0: ATA-7 SATA 1.x dev ice Nov 15 14:39:49 blj01 kernel: ada0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA, UDMA5, PIO 8192 bytes) Nov 15 14:39:49 blj01 kernel: ada0: 286188MB (586114704 512 byte sectors: 16H 63 S/T 16383C) Nov 15 14:39:49 blj01 kernel: ada0: Previously was known as ad18 Using the GUI gsmartcontrol shows two disks but it's the same disk shown as ada0 and as ad18. I use the following string in /usr/local/etc/smartd.conf /dev/ada0 -a -o on -S on -s (S/../.././11|L/../../6/15) -m name@mail.server Is this normal behaviour? /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 15:44:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF42B1FC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:44:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCAE8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFFiJrX063126; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:44:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAFFiFgw063123; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:44:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:44:15 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <21828.1352983292@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <21828.1352983292@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:44:19 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:44:21 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In your tutorial document, you say: > > "Create a boot partition to hold the loader, size of 512K." > > How big is that thing (gpart boot loader), actually? Half a megabyte > seems rather a bit large-ish, certainly relative to ye olde MBR loader, > which I gather was limited to... what? 32KB (minus a little for the > partition table) ? /boot/gptboot is 15K, /boot/gptzfsboot is 39K. A code limitation makes 512K the largest this partition can be made. So I make it that big so it won't have to be increased for bigger boot loaders later. And the space is not wasted because of the next partition... > Also, when creating the partition to hold the GPT boot loader, shouldn't > that "gpart add" operation include a "-b 4k" option, you know, on a > modern "Advanced Format" disk? If not, why not? -a 4k, yes. It doesn't really matter. The loader is read only at boot, once, and it's tiny. So it doesn't really matter if it reads at 30M/second or 500M/second. But yes, for consistency, I'll modify that so the start of the freebsd-boot partition is at 40. > You also go on to say: > > "Create partition for /. It should start at the 1M boundary for proper > sector alignment on 4K sector drives." > > Come again? Sorry, but you just lost me entirely. In order to get "proper > sector alignment" on one of these newer Advanced Format (4k) drives, why > on earth should it be necessary to begin a partition at some alignment > which is greater than the obvious minimum, i.e. 4KB ? Starting the first filesystem partition at 1M is a semi-standard, used by various vendors including Microsoft. Besides being aligned to 4K, it's also aligned to bigger values that can be important for performance on devices like SSDs. And that explains the oversized boot partition. It's space that would be unused otherwise. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 15:53:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6761671 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667E48FC18 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFFrYst063169; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAFFrYsg063166; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:53:34 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <21632.1352981632@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <21632.1352981632@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:53:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:53:35 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message , > Warren Block wrote: > >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> ... >>> Given these facts, I am more than a little surpised to learn (or rather >>> just to realize) that the good old traditional fdisk and bsdlabel tools >>> do not have ways to explicitly specify minimum alignment _and_ that >>> these tools are still being distributed with FreeBSD. >> >> There may be a way, I haven't bothered to look. As I said, gpart does >> everything fdisk and bsdlabel can do. > > Well, given that newfs has been ``fixed'' so that its defaults will > Do The Right Thing with the latest generation of (4KB block) disks, > I for one would like to register my vote for fdisk and bsdlabel to > either (a) be likewise fixed so that they also will default to Doing > The Right Thing (with the current generation of disks) or else (b) > be removed from future releases, based on the fact that (apparently) > they are now so old that nobody cares about them anymore and/or that > their defaults, when (foolishly?) relied upon, are likely to produce > Bad Performance, aka Bad Behavior. It's legacy code, and that's always a tough call: update and lose the legacy, or leave it alone and increasingly less useful. Since gpart is available, there's little pressure to change fdisk or bsdlabel. > And also, please don't forget the other points I mentioned, i.e. that > the man page for fdisk makes several references to alignment on ``cylinder'' > and/or ``head'' boundaries. Are those things even relavant anymore? > Have they been, anytime in the past 10+ years? (I am guessing that > there may be other similarly antiquated references to boundaries that > haven't been meaningful for a long long time also in the bdslabel man > page, although I confess that didn't even look.) I'd say closer to 20 years. But again, it's that legacy thing. And with FreeBSD, the odds are pretty good that somebody is still running legacy hardware. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 15:55:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1639B72D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:55:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2938FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:55:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFFt7JJ063222; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAFFt6ZR063219; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:55:06 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. In-Reply-To: <20121115105350.3c65aedf.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <201211150943.42772.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <20121115105350.3c65aedf.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:55:07 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:55:11 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: > Is there a recommended way to automate the "GEOM re-tasting" so > SD cards can be accessed without further interaction (by simply > using the correct mount command)? Not AFAIK. Could depend on hardware also; some card readers might not need it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 15:57:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8B09A5 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:57:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C935A8FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFFvKSB063262; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAFFvKUf063259; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:20 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Leslie Jensen Subject: Re: One disk shown as two in gsmartcontrol In-Reply-To: <50A50D95.30600@eskk.nu> Message-ID: References: <50A50D95.30600@eskk.nu> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:21 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:57:24 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > I'm configuring smartd on a newly installed system, 9.1-RC3 > > The message below is in my /var/log/messages > > > Nov 15 14:39:49 blj01 kernel: ada0: ATA-7 SATA 1.x > dev > ice > Nov 15 14:39:49 blj01 kernel: ada0: 150.000MB/s transfers (SATA, UDMA5, PIO > 8192 > bytes) > Nov 15 14:39:49 blj01 kernel: ada0: 286188MB (586114704 512 byte sectors: 16H > 63 > S/T 16383C) > Nov 15 14:39:49 blj01 kernel: ada0: Previously was known as ad18 > > > Using the GUI gsmartcontrol shows two disks but it's the same disk shown as > ada0 and as ad18. > > I use the following string in /usr/local/etc/smartd.conf > > /dev/ada0 -a -o on -S on -s (S/../.././11|L/../../6/15) -m name@mail.server > > > Is this normal behaviour? Yes. It's a backwards-compatibility thing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 16:41:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C888C01 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:41:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@slightlystrange.org) Received: from lhscloud01.localhostservices.net (lhscloud01.localhostservices.net [83.222.226.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF72B8FC19 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from client-86-31-248-156.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com ([86.31.248.156] helo=catflap.slightlystrange.org) by lhscloud01.localhostservices.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TZ1on-000Pk9-Ie for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:57:29 +0000 Received: from dan by catflap.slightlystrange.org with local (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TZ1om-0005Mh-Bb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:57:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:57:28 +0000 From: Daniel Bye To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.1 permissions in the / directory Message-ID: <20121115155728.GA5234@catflap.slightlystrange.org> References: <816E535579724567A55D3EC28633CED6@win2snvu0x4eg9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <816E535579724567A55D3EC28633CED6@win2snvu0x4eg9> X-PGP-Fingerprint: D349 B109 0EB8 2554 4D75 B79A 8B17 F97C 1622 166A X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: Daniel Bye X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Bye List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:41:10 -0000 --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 05:12:59PM -0500, Joseph Mays wrote: > Have a recently set up 9.1 RC1 system. Someone (not me, just sayin') > did a chmod 600 in the / directory. Needless to say this caused > numerous problems. I tried to change them back as best I could by > comparing them to an older directory, but some things are still not > right. Trying to log in, via either console or ssh as anyone other > than root. Ssh gets: >=20 > %ssh mays@[redacted] > Password: > Last login: Wed Nov 14 15:50:37 2012 > Could not chdir to home directory /home/mays: Permission denied > /bin/tcsh: Permission denied > Connection to [redacted] closed. > % >=20 > followed by a disconnect. Console complains about the /home/user > directory not being there (though it is and the permissions look > normal), says it's logging in with slash instead, then says > "/bin/tcsh: no such file or directory", though /bin/tcsh is there > and permissions look fine. I'm attaching a screenshot of the message > log that shows up on console logins. >=20 > So, two questions. What is causing the problem, and does anyone have > anything that shows what the normal / directory permissions for 9.1 > RC1 should look like? First, login fails to read the user's home directory, because the permissions on either /usr or /home (depending on whether your /home is a directory, or a symlink to /usr/home) don't allow it to see any contained files or directories, even though, from what you say, all contained files and subdirectory permissions are correct. It then attempts to fall back to using / as an emergency home for this session, but then fails to find /bin/tcsh, because the permissions on /bin prevent it from seeing anything it contains. Second, you can restore most, if not all, of the correct permissions with the mtree tool. Log in as root, and then run this: # cd / # mtree -Uef /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist The mtree specification file, /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist, contains a list of the files and directories that are installed in a standard FreeBSD system, along with the correct ownership and permissions for those objects. The -U flag tells mtree to modify any objects that don't match the specification, and the -e flag tells it not to warn about files it finds on disk but not in the specification file. Dan --=20 Daniel Bye _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML, vCards and X - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlClEOcACgkQixf5fBYiFmrgUQCcCO9+H7uuW42zeJk03NjzNtDM m/YAoKrzFKqf+Lj9aioaOgJVXPWQkZIv =U7GI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 16:57:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D68C344 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FFE8FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so1749727lah.13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HI4QeM+k6sNEisMo4bkaFwojRlOeSOX1EwrQ92DOdKM=; b=sQ+UWsnlnb+lXd0bBL79qcJUKkD2XGQkCAxIbbupU7AAu9AeN/JldNrVFJwf/C+CJU yHFiheQaAO7iKBRAU3Kb5/3g0YE1GCsxubKDE3cbnMPQfurRsWb871QAf5wqdzY0jhZS 9Iw0NJUd1uy7Bjotcu7+sLVlT6QTpRC09EiikC6tliQzC/aDrqIS/bCy8x5lT8vy+xED g779DEQR/yhZ/Tr/2mng9J/5CfwJO7XpybeMB9Z6lPcivtPQIY5dKms7SS3YyP2iHxtL Ur72z2zh8UMGjS9baVCGfQWxjTqsjsOyOlC+5ddlGDEOO4Rmmo/XwKpN917J1Qqo4+GJ Ee2Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.108.42 with SMTP id hh10mr1688501lab.4.1352998665436; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.1.193 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:57:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:57:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?= To: Warren Block Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Mike Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:57:47 -0000 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Mike Clarke wrote: > >> On Wednesday 14 November 2012 19:43:30 Fernando Apestegu=EDa wrote: >> >>> If I boot the system and plug the SD card in, the green led >>> doesn't even switch on and there is only a /dev/da0 that I can not >>> mount. If I boot the system with the card plugged in, the green led is >>> on and there is a /dev/da0s1 device that I can't still mount because >>> mount_msdosfs returns an Input/Output error after some time. >> >> >> I think that's pretty much standard behaviour. The solution appears to b= e >> to "wake" it up with the following incantation: >> >> dd if=3D/dev/null of=3D/dev/da0 count=3D0 >> >> That's what works here. See the thread starting with >> >> > > > true > /dev/da0 That doesn't work for me, but the dd operation does. What can be the differ= ence? > > is a little shorter and safer. The search keywords for this are "GEOM > retaste" or "retasting". > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 19:10:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90BFE77 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:10:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms16-1.1blu.de (ms16-1.1blu.de [89.202.0.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348098FC17 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [89.204.153.68] (helo=tiny.Sisis.de) by ms16-1.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TZ4pL-0004j5-Iw; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:10:16 +0100 Received: from tiny.Sisis.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qAFJACXZ001230; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:10:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by tiny.Sisis.de (8.14.5/8.14.3/Submit) id qAFJAAe2001229; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:10:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: tiny.Sisis.de: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:10:10 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: Fernando =?iso-8859-1?Q?Apestegu=EDa?= Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. Message-ID: <20121115191009.GA1191@tiny.Sisis.de> References: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT r226986 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Con-Id: 51246 X-Con-U: 0-guru X-Originating-IP: 89.204.153.68 Cc: Mike Clarke , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:10:29 -0000 El día Thursday, November 15, 2012 a las 05:57:45PM +0100, Fernando Apesteguía escribió: > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Warren Block wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Mike Clarke wrote: > > > >> On Wednesday 14 November 2012 19:43:30 Fernando Apesteguía wrote: > >> > >>> If I boot the system and plug the SD card in, the green led > >>> doesn't even switch on and there is only a /dev/da0 that I can not > >>> mount. If I boot the system with the card plugged in, the green led is > >>> on and there is a /dev/da0s1 device that I can't still mount because > >>> mount_msdosfs returns an Input/Output error after some time. > >> > >> > >> I think that's pretty much standard behaviour. The solution appears to be > >> to "wake" it up with the following incantation: > >> > >> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/da0 count=0 > >> > >> That's what works here. See the thread starting with > >> > >> > > > > > > true > /dev/da0 > > That doesn't work for me, but the dd operation does. What can be the difference? Both commands open the file /dev/da0 for: open("/dev/da0",O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC,0666) = 3 without writing any myte to it; you can proof this with: # truss dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/da0 count=0 and # truss sh < /dev/da0 EOF matthias -- Sent from my FreeBSD netbook Matthias Apitz | - No system with backdoors like Apple/Android E-mail: guru@unixarea.de | - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | - Respect for open standards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 19:18:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D4618B for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD748FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAFJI92m036235 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:18:09 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:18:09 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:18:17 -0000 Trying to rebuild ports, I'm consistently getting the following: ahcich1 Timeout on slot 13 port 0 ^---- slot varies g_vfs_done() ada0p6 [WRITE(offset=38838571008 length=4096)]error=6 /usr got error 6 while accessing filesyustem cpuid=0 panic: softdep_deallocate_dependencies:unrecovered I/O error KBD: stack backtrace: #0 ... kbd_backtrace+0x5e #1 ... panic+0x187 #2 ... clear_remove+0 #3 ... brelse+0x60 (ada0:ahcich1:0:0:0): lost device #4 ... bufdone+0x68 #5 ... g_io_schedule_up+0xa6 #6 ... fork_exit+0x11f #7 ... fork_trampoline+0xe This happens consistently when doing portmaster www/firefox ... firefox-16.0.2,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.12.4 - found The firefox build said it was going to build audio/alsa also, so to make things easier after rebooting I would do portmaster audio/alsa which would succeed, and then again try portmaster www/firefox which would always fail the same way. The interesting part about the above is that after the crash, the firefox build would say it needed to build audio/alsa again. I tried doing portmaster lang/perl5.12 to rebuild perl and get it placed somewhere different on the ssd, but I'm still getting a consistent crash after I get the "firefox-16.0.2,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.12.4 - found" line. I'm guessing it's crashing on something after the perl; how to find out what it is? Error 6 is ENXIO, device not configured; not sure exactly what that means. This machine has: 16G mem 0.5G swap 2G /tmp 4G /var Is any of that likely to be related to the problem? Given an addr in the failure error: g_vfs_done() ada0p6 [WRITE(offset=38838571008 length=4096)]error=6 how does one relate that addr to the partitioning scheme? ~$ gpart show ada0 => 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / 41943202 1048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M) swap 42991778 8388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) /var 51380386 4194304 5 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) /tmp 55574690 192216088 6 freebsd-ufs (91G) /usr 247790778 2278869 - free - (1.1G) Thanks for any insights, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 19:30:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CA0809 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:30:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBC18FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 16so2554764obc.13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:30:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pnqRf6Jbr7HDRm7VbkV13RuoyOLlRCloU7jMEgiKDaA=; b=UNpuwRSab/2lJXMNP6LbBl8ciKQJUivqfsHpGet0cnM+R07YyxRGmwTigfVJfaVYso H8TCuxacHIzgi3pYYo4zzRYd9+2GyS14sqFXJly3uKFPrbfrnAYQDQ7LsJEoRuWobnrI nOC4XnOv6BGnKSOt3wW+58lBHlf8PTpOW3k/r98t8Ya8FP2ivWvN3WIWwOiu+F92+CFC iABo5NIZpQ7UcIS2XMjv597jy+fG8tegoUuQljCoNgx5SMIy8G/tbGC/vHGefkCnbpld rv88U57UYCBt2rsMaotXahkm7ddBjPxbfxiIzRaEyGIoHdERokT/7h3fSlS5nDoVfppD f2oA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.25.132 with SMTP id c4mr1836121oeg.63.1353007843358; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.80.104 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:30:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:30:43 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? From: Adam Vande More To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:30:44 -0000 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > Error 6 is ENXIO, device not configured; not sure exactly what that means. > > This machine has: > 16G mem > 0.5G swap > 2G /tmp > 4G /var > Is any of that likely to be related to the problem? > > Given an addr in the failure error: > g_vfs_done() ada0p6 [WRITE(offset=38838571008 length=4096)]error=6 > how does one relate that addr to the partitioning scheme? > > ~$ gpart show ada0 > => 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) > 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) > 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / > 41943202 1048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M) swap > 42991778 8388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) /var > 51380386 4194304 5 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) /tmp > 55574690 192216088 6 freebsd-ufs (91G) /usr > 247790778 2278869 - free - (1.1G) > > Thanks for any insights, > Sounds like you have bad hardware. Drive, cable, controller etc. Probably wouldn't hurt to do a fsck either. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 20:48:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C88F195 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ateve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B608FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TZ6Mw-00064H-Di for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:49:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TZ6Mi-0004yG-9o for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:48:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:48:08 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? Message-Id: <20121115204808.d2371c5a41202483d37fa9cd@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:48:15 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:30:43 -0600 Adam Vande More wrote: > Sounds like you have bad hardware. Drive, cable, controller etc. > Probably wouldn't hurt to do a fsck either. *After* identifying and fixing the hardware problem, otherwise you may make things worse. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 21:27:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6281F8C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcigar@ulb.ac.be) Received: from relaygateway01.edpnet.net (relaygateway01.edpnet.net [212.71.1.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD1E8FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:27:54 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYBAJRdpVDV26Wk/2dsb2JhbAANN759hypAPRYYAwIBAgEbPQgBAbFSikyJCIwxgwWDJwOpLw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.83,259,1352070000"; d="scan'208";a="130033559" Received: from 213.219.165.164.bro01.dyn.edpnet.net (HELO [192.168.0.10]) ([213.219.165.164]) by relaygateway01.edpnet.net with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2012 22:26:44 +0100 Message-ID: <50A55E14.3030903@ulb.ac.be> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:26:44 +0100 From: Julien Cigar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121031 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ale0: could not disable Tx/Rx MAC(0x00000004)! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:27:55 -0000 Hello, I got the following problem today: <<6>6>nneewwnnffss sseerrvveerr 119922..116688..00..225544:://hhoommee//mmaaggee:: nnoto t rreespsopnonddiinngg newnfs server 192.168.0.254:/home/mage: not responding ale0: could not disable Tx/Rx MAC(0x00000004)! ale0: link state changed to DOWN ale0: could not disable Tx/Rx MAC(0x00000004)! ale0: link state changed to UP in6_purgeaddr: err=65, destination address delete failed Nov 15 22:08:02 rivendell dhclient[1186]: short write: wanted 20 got 0 bytes Nov 15 22:08:02 rivendell dhclient[1186]: exiting. Only a hard reboot fixed the issue (the network was completely frozen) This is with: ale0@pci0:2:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x83041043 chip=0x10261969 rev=0xb0 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications' device = 'AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast Ethernet' class = network subclass = ethernet on: FreeBSD rivendell 9.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE #0: Thu Nov 1 18:35:54 CET 2012 root@rivendell:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CUSTOM amd64 Any idea what could be the cause of this ? Thank you, Julien From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 21:32:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F04111 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:32:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1688FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093E75081D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:32:47 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <50A4F2C8.5040308@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:32:47 -0800 Message-ID: <25307.1353015167@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:32:49 -0000 In message <50A4F2C8.5040308@qeng-ho.org>, Arthur Chance wrote: >On 11/15/12 12:41, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >>> -b is the beginning block of a partition. 34 is a magic value, the size >>> of a standard GPT partition table. >> >> It probably wouldn't have hurt anything to mention that in the gpart man >> page. >> >> And what about 162? Is that magic too? If so, how? I seriously do not >> know. > >The man example should be taken as a whole. You've got > >/sbin/gpart add -b 34 -s 128 -t freebsd-boot ad0 > >which gives you a 128 block partition starting at block 34, so the next >free block is 162, and the next partition is explicitly started there in > >/sbin/gpart add -b 162 -s 1048576 -t freebsd-ufs ad0 > >No magic, just arithmetic. :-) Ah! Silly me! Thank you. (I did miss that.) Regards, rfg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 21:44:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0445F5E1 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from belgacem.jellali@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9F48FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id gg13so2108131lbb.13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:44:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=lVU1CLy8S+7uKwJJX/CcwoOXJHbglSvW1Hr1znUUZT4=; b=u+x20eQrEFPSbZLKdg7RogLJERVSolpML7BWFkLwVm7HnusLpFGcv4JolmTQ0LNsM4 qgAAvMN4XmPnblDqBXCIwJKxnqJ91Vpgdq9WliAw6vau4v31W86vZ+XNMW97RkRlCt2i Rrf3taVjNc8y7/WP+OtCmc/WcyV9VZXrTiaQapicxW2/L8foK2/EaeuiJ6plS0Dot6Hr kIbFhFd18PR4+l6mCMflaTqdUOP5Sm9PMahzOWapfoqhxVyvPD6oX3a442sr+7jYxxoF l5tpZC9E9X7pUUbKxBLOM0pIjxOp4rV394sppx+fKV6EJGQiMz8iruVvAJNdSZjdS11j YjUw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.103.135 with SMTP id fw7mr1179311lbb.16.1353015895073; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.113.136 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:44:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:44:54 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Texlive From: Belgacem Jellali To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:44:56 -0000 Salut J'aime beaucoup FreeBSD, mais je ne peux pas l'utiliser au quotidien car j'ai besoin de TexLive2012 et les ports FreeBSD ne le fournissent pas. Y-a-t'il un moyen pour installer TexLive2012? si oui, je ne supprimerai jamais FreeBSD pour installer une Linyx. Merci From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 21:51:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324138D3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7C88FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491B950821 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:51:40 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:51:40 -0800 Message-ID: <25443.1353016300@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:51:41 -0000 In message , Warren Block wrote: >On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> In your tutorial document, you say: >> >> "Create a boot partition to hold the loader, size of 512K." >> >> How big is that thing (gpart boot loader), actually? Half a megabyte >> seems rather a bit large-ish, certainly relative to ye olde MBR loader, >> which I gather was limited to... what? 32KB (minus a little for the >> partition table) ? > >/boot/gptboot is 15K, /boot/gptzfsboot is 39K. A code limitation makes >512K the largest this partition can be made. So I make it that big so >it won't have to be increased for bigger boot loaders later. It wouldn't hurt to add the above info to your tutorial page. >And the space is not wasted because of the next partition... Huh? Oh, oh, OK. I read down to the end of your message and now understand. You meant that the space is not wasted because you will subsequently arrange to have the next following partition begin at 1MB, yes? >> Also, when creating the partition to hold the GPT boot loader, shouldn't >> that "gpart add" operation include a "-b 4k" option, you know, on a >> modern "Advanced Format" disk? If not, why not? > >-a 4k, yes. Yea. Sorry. That's what I meant... -a 4k. >It doesn't really matter. The loader is read only at boot, >once, and it's tiny. So it doesn't really matter if it reads at >30M/second or 500M/second. OK. I understand. Thanks. (I did supect that this was the rationale.) >But yes, for consistency, I'll modify that >so the start of the freebsd-boot partition is at 40. It looks prettier that way. Besides which, you probably want to get your readers in the habit of doing things generally on 4KB boundaries, because (as I have just learned) they are probably going to need to start doing that before too long, even if they don't already need to just yet. >> You also go on to say: >> >> "Create partition for /. It should start at the 1M boundary for proper >> sector alignment on 4K sector drives." >> >> Come again? Sorry, but you just lost me entirely. In order to get "proper >> sector alignment" on one of these newer Advanced Format (4k) drives, why >> on earth should it be necessary to begin a partition at some alignment >> which is greater than the obvious minimum, i.e. 4KB ? > >Starting the first filesystem partition at 1M is a semi-standard, used >by various vendors including Microsoft. Yeabut why or how does Microsoft get involved at all with the position of my *FreeBSD* partition?!? If I began my FreeBSD partition at, say 768KB, would anything from Microsoft be even likely to even notice? >Besides being aligned to 4K, it's also aligned to bigger values >that can be important for performance on devices like SSDs. I see. That's also another useful tidbit of knowledge that you may also wish to impart to readers of your tutorial. I can only speak for myself, but I for one (perhaps because I have never owned an SSD myself) was totally unaware that those had any such additional alignment issues. >And that explains the oversized boot partition. It's space that would >be unused otherwise. Got it. Thanks. Regards, rfg P.S. I really do think that it is a serious omission that the gpart(8) man page doesn't really say anything regarding proper or desirable use of the "add -a" option. If it were up to me, I'd put in just a couple of short notes that would say at least something about 4K being Good and Desirable for modern drives, and 1M being Good and Desirable for SSDs. But maybe that kind of info does really belong in something more like an actual tutorial document... you know... something like, um, your's. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 21:53:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9F79A1 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:53:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF4F8FC15 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C3C17010; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:53:44 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <50A56467.1030206@hdk5.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:53:43 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? GPT ? References: <17388.1352953630@tristatelogic.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:53:52 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > >> I'm looking at the examples section of the gpart(8) man page. May I >> assume that if I just want to merely ``try out'' GPT... you know... >> taking it out on the road for a first time test run... that I can >> just do the first five (5) commands listed under EXAMPLES and then >> that will be enough to go ahead and try installing FreeBSD into the >> created freebsd-ufs partition? >> >> Even assuming that the answer is yes, I have still more questions... >> Where are these magic numbers coming from?? I am specifically talking >> about the number "34" in the "-b 34" option and also the number "162" >> in the "-b 162" option. Tha man page just tosses those into the example >> command lines without saying a word about them. And you can probably >> guess what it is that is especially troubling to me about them... neither >> one of them is divisible by 8 (i.e. 4KB/512B). So would the examples >> in the current gpart(8) man page produce an Epic Fail when and if they >> were used with a modern "Advanced Format" drive? > > -b is the beginning block of a partition. 34 is a magic value, the size > of a standard GPT partition table. A good overall reference on GPT is > the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table > > Remember that the man page is a reference, not a tutorial. I wanted > more specific notes that followed best practices, and that was the > source for this article: > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/disksetup.html > > In general, you create a "partition scheme" first. This can be MBR, > GPT, or others. (But use GPT.) > > Rather than combine the bootcode with the partition table, GPT just uses > a small partition for it. Since the standard GPT allows for up to 128 > partitions, there's no reason not to use them. > > Next come other partitions for UFS or ZFS filesystems or swap. > > That's it, really. The rest is details the man page can explain, like > additional options for alignment. (The creation of the first UFS > partition in the article does not use -a because older versions of gpart > did unexpected things when -a and -b were combined. The alignment > produced is correct.) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Aloha Warren, I looked over the GPT sample and have a question. In the fstab entries, something that uses msdosfs, (thumb drive maybe). Can you enter it directly in the fstab after the basic partitions and other /dev have been entered in the initial setup? Thanks. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 22:03:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E93D5B for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC4C8FC13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141A350821 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:03:58 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:03:58 -0800 Message-ID: <25559.1353017038@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:03:59 -0000 In message , Warren Block wrote: >On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> Well, given that newfs has been ``fixed'' so that its defaults will >> Do The Right Thing with the latest generation of (4KB block) disks, >> I for one would like to register my vote for fdisk and bsdlabel to >> either (a) be likewise fixed so that they also will default to Doing >> The Right Thing (with the current generation of disks) or else (b) >> be removed from future releases, based on the fact that (apparently) >> they are now so old that nobody cares about them anymore and/or that >> their defaults, when (foolishly?) relied upon, are likely to produce >> Bad Performance, aka Bad Behavior. > >It's legacy code, and that's always a tough call: update and lose the >legacy, or leave it alone and increasingly less useful. Since gpart is >available, there's little pressure to change fdisk or bsdlabel. Well, I'll tell you seriously that I, for one, "didn't get the memo" as the saying goes. Honestly, this discussion is the first time that I personally ever heard that fdisk and/or bsdlabel were being relegated to the dustbin of history. (But then again, I don't get out much, or enough, it seems.) Maybe the man pages should contain notes/warnings saying explicitly "This tool is now depreciated in favor of gpart." What do you think? Is that a suggestion worthy of a formal PR? >> And also, please don't forget the other points I mentioned, i.e. that >> the man page for fdisk makes several references to alignment on ``cylinder'' >> and/or ``head'' boundaries. Are those things even relavant anymore? >> Have they been, anytime in the past 10+ years? (I am guessing that >> there may be other similarly antiquated references to boundaries that >> haven't been meaningful for a long long time also in the bdslabel man >> page, although I confess that didn't even look.) > >I'd say closer to 20 years. Um yea. That's probably closer to the mark. Sigh. Time flies when you're having fun. (And they also like arrows, I'm told.) >But again, it's that legacy thing. And >with FreeBSD, the odds are pretty good that somebody is still running >legacy hardware. Yea, you are undoubtedly right about that. I wonder... can FreeBSD still run on 386s? I can envision a humorous boot-time message that somebody may see someday... Sorry, FreeBSD cannot run on this hardware. Please invest in something that was actually manufactured this century (20xx). :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 22:27:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D639142D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@d2ux.net) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net (h1907788.stratoserver.net [85.214.252.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A798FC18 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA4839EDC96 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:56:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h1907788.stratoserver.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cbo1oOAQMouz for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:56:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from compaq (p579D30DD.dip.t-dialin.net [87.157.48.221]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A6239EDC93 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:56:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:57:11 +0100 From: Matthias Petermann To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Message-Id: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:27:33 -0000 Hello, from a freshly installed FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE I did a freebsd-update to bring it to the latest patch level. After: # freebsd-update fetch I got this message: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. It is strongly recommended that you upgrade to a newer release within the next 2 months. What does this exactly mean? Is the whole 9.0 Series approaching EOL, or does this only apply to the initial 9.0-RELEASE _AND NOT_ to e.g. 9.0-RELEASE-p3 ? Where can I find more information on the planned lifecycles of the current and upcoming releases? Are there any? Thanks & kind regards Matthias -- Matthias Petermann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 22:35:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022998F7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:35:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE1B8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c13so1588764eek.13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:35:53 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9xLU74OzZ8wg9F3K39BLcIbIfWzFP6DOi2M3phZzWEE=; b=TcOMazpSG5MIiU+6mnuDj6URwOjomPjpozDwL62wm2jIfZJmqKIFHXr/QHDNV3IvXr jlTLPL8MfTVVjVHDOkmGOiBu63sUZTt5sUnvZtWbhMwgObFhaW0mHE49QvMMJu3/WxpG QzM7o1TofNn/n7DEEVOYG+RKyLV1XUkF8ZeywKRcYeXF7HLwj75xKSND0bW4zWF91CZE hpxctMf/MeVECQGB61OZ6hp7asPPs4IFBbXBy4r7lxY0ibx0B0+04d0cGu4u/6dCQmkE FqZBh3V3wIvgRX+wDAVFTEdE/P/MvMFUj9rkukMhW6f4tigKyI/ct0dPUgxWK7GOe7zH mSAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.203.3 with SMTP id e3mr7813937eeo.35.1353018953036; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.71.194 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:35:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:35:52 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. From: Michael Sierchio To: Matthias Petermann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnHh2kFbvlC4msLsIu/9yTFr2WLJAyXSD8C/HsgOjKfE0ZOP1X4vdNwpwgksjEl3/YVpygr Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:35:55 -0000 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Matthias Petermann wrote: > > > Where can I find more information on the planned lifecycles of the current > and upcoming releases? Are there any? > http://www.freebsd.org/security/ Scroll down about halfway. 9.0 is a regular release, EOL is January 31, 2013. Alternate releases are extended releases, so 9.1 will have a 2 year support span. - M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 22:36:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E18A9A7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492328FC17 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so2793809oag.13 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:36:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Q0jS0t1m7SR4w97Jg4z7ik4KgXwJNRV2oCqDTlU96p0=; b=S/tfNG65Tm3TlNOJILEDYr+s16bHdSM0r7NMYNdoWZZfzmie3dler85nJLT+4nuSzd lF0fETodlRWmTUac3ubTQjDnkJiijP67G1FSOgxgjwrpJNW8IXtZjkEPBXIbzkveEeJf p9YtwLwWZTl7DfMuosiTCQr4BKXXmzRBNyxoq1tIqxh/gJytEpWEMBgR7RpaArdb4hPA bgMebmWdnhRcysqknPHa3lU+WBrxFGLzLxykU2RwiY9X+MapBy48oaTrggpABB3wIXgR qsVJaDzdJOvVT8DBLU4lSA2freKJYTnZV6yQGeiVjHX0m22VUja/5FTe1jUxalLGX7CY wZCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.26.170 with SMTP id m10mr2301816oeg.65.1353018988728; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.80.104 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:36:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:36:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. From: Adam Vande More To: Matthias Petermann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:36:29 -0000 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Matthias Petermann wrote: > Hello, > > from a freshly installed FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE I did a freebsd-update to > bring > it to the latest patch level. > > After: > > # freebsd-update fetch > > I got this message: > > WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. > It is strongly recommended that you upgrade to a newer > release within the next 2 months. > > What does this exactly mean? Means exactly what it says. 9.0 will soon be unsupported. Things like p1, p2 etc are patchsets to a release, they are not a release onto themselves. http://www.freebsd.org/security/#sup -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 22:43:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5904EBB9 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:43:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256B78FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFMhR6C067225; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAFMhQIu067222; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:43:26 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <25443.1353016300@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <25443.1353016300@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:43:27 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:43:28 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message , > Warren Block wrote: > >> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >>> In your tutorial document, you say: >>> >>> "Create a boot partition to hold the loader, size of 512K." >>> >>> How big is that thing (gpart boot loader), actually? Half a megabyte >>> seems rather a bit large-ish, certainly relative to ye olde MBR loader, >>> which I gather was limited to... what? 32KB (minus a little for the >>> partition table) ? >> >> /boot/gptboot is 15K, /boot/gptzfsboot is 39K. A code limitation makes >> 512K the largest this partition can be made. So I make it that big so >> it won't have to be increased for bigger boot loaders later. > > It wouldn't hurt to add the above info to your tutorial page. The problem with that sort of detail is that too much of it obscures the point, which in this case is just trying to show the right way to set up disks without overwhelming the reader. >> And the space is not wasted because of the next partition... > > Huh? > > Oh, oh, OK. I read down to the end of your message and now understand. > You meant that the space is not wasted because you will subsequently > arrange to have the next following partition begin at 1MB, yes? Yes. > Besides which, you probably want to get your readers in the habit of > doing things generally on 4KB boundaries, because (as I have just learned) > they are probably going to need to start doing that before too long, even > if they don't already need to just yet. It does do that, although it's not overt. >> Starting the first filesystem partition at 1M is a semi-standard, used >> by various vendors including Microsoft. > > Yeabut why or how does Microsoft get involved at all with the position > of my *FreeBSD* partition?!? There are other vendors and some RAID systems that also use 1M as a starting point. Sticking to that de facto standard helps keep us as compatible as possible with other systems and partitioning software. The cost in space is tiny, and it's a lot easier to do when setting up the disk than after the filesystems are populated. > If I began my FreeBSD partition at, say 768KB, would anything from > Microsoft be even likely to even notice? I can't say I've tested it. I see this as low-cost insurance. For less than 1M of space, try to be as compatible with other systems and software that exists. >> Besides being aligned to 4K, it's also aligned to bigger values >> that can be important for performance on devices like SSDs. > > I see. That's also another useful tidbit of knowledge that you may also > wish to impart to readers of your tutorial. I can only speak for myself, > but I for one (perhaps because I have never owned an SSD myself) was > totally unaware that those had any such additional alignment issues. Again, I'm trying to avoid too much of that type of detail in that particular article. I've considered writing a separate SSD article, but have not done it yet. > P.S. I really do think that it is a serious omission that the gpart(8) > man page doesn't really say anything regarding proper or desirable use > of the "add -a" option. If it were up to me, I'd put in just a couple > of short notes that would say at least something about 4K being Good and > Desirable for modern drives, and 1M being Good and Desirable for SSDs. > > But maybe that kind of info does really belong in something more like > an actual tutorial document... you know... something like, um, your's. I can see it both ways. A short mention of those values in that section of gpart(8) would be helpful. The 1M value is controversial to some people. Of course, some people think that calling bare bsdlabel disks "dangerously dedicated" or using an MBR is controversial. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 22:46:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A7EC8D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:46:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@d2ux.net) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net (h1907788.stratoserver.net [85.214.252.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFD48FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BCD39EDC94; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:46:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h1907788.stratoserver.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GgLnXLHHJAJi; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:46:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from compaq (p579D30DD.dip.t-dialin.net [87.157.48.221]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC16F39EDC9E; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:46:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:46:53 +0100 From: Matthias Petermann To: Michael Sierchio Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Message-Id: <20121115234653.704f5813534aedc596659f51@d2ux.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:46:29 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:35:52 -0800 Michael Sierchio wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/security/ > > Scroll down about halfway. 9.0 is a regular release, EOL is January 31, 2013. > > Alternate releases are extended releases, so 9.1 will have a 2 year > support span. Thanks for the clearification. One technical thing: is it possible, to upgrade from FreeBSD 9.0 to 9.1 with the freebsd-update utility? Kind regards, Matthias -- Matthias Petermann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 22:51:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F93BDC5 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D8D8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D3C5081D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:51:49 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:51:49 -0800 Message-ID: <26202.1353019909@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:51:50 -0000 In message , Warren Block wrote: >> It wouldn't hurt to add the above info to your tutorial page. > >The problem with that sort of detail is that too much of it obscures the >point, which in this case is just trying to show the right way to set up >disks without overwhelming the reader. Some things are inherently overwhelming, and there is no use to try to hide the fact. It just makes matters worse. >> P.S. I really do think that it is a serious omission that the gpart(8) >> man page doesn't really say anything regarding proper or desirable use >> of the "add -a" option. If it were up to me, I'd put in just a couple >> of short notes that would say at least something about 4K being Good and >> Desirable for modern drives, and 1M being Good and Desirable for SSDs. >> >> But maybe that kind of info does really belong in something more like >> an actual tutorial document... you know... something like, um, your's. > >I can see it both ways. A short mention of those values in that section >of gpart(8) would be helpful. The 1M value is controversial to some >people. Yeabut for some people, even evolution is "controversial". >Of course, some people think that calling bare bsdlabel disks >"dangerously dedicated" or using an MBR is controversial. Actually, you can count me among the folks who think that the adjective "dangerously" may be stretching it a bit, in this context. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 22:56:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D85FAA for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAE38FC14 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFMu2j1067344; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAFMu1Ai067341; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:56:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:56:01 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? In-Reply-To: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:56:02 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:56:05 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: > Trying to rebuild ports, I'm consistently getting the following: > > ahcich1 Timeout on slot 13 port 0 > ^---- slot varies > g_vfs_done() ada0p6 [WRITE(offset=38838571008 length=4096)]error=6 That seems familiar, maybe others have reported it. Is this a motherboard controller, or add-in? After a backup, I'd make sure the motherboard and controller BIOS are up to date. And also the SSD firmware. > ~$ gpart show ada0 > => 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) > 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) > 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / > 41943202 1048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M) swap > 42991778 8388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) /var > 51380386 4194304 5 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) /tmp > 55574690 192216088 6 freebsd-ufs (91G) /usr > 247790778 2278869 - free - (1.1G) It would not cause this problem, but those partitions are not aligned. That would only affect speed, not reliability. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 22:59:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F901BC for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:59:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EABD8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B0E5081D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:59:23 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:59:23 -0800 Message-ID: <26243.1353020363@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:59:23 -0000 Warren, In the EXAMPLES section of the gpart(8) man page, they do this: /sbin/gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr ad0 In your document however, you first create an explicit (special) partition named "gpboot" and then you do this instead: gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 da0 Who is "right" in this case? I did the former, and did not get any error. The gpart(8) man page says: "... First, a protective MBR is embedded into the first disk sector from the /boot/pmbr image..." however it appears to me that the steps in your tutorial are effectively installing a copy of the /boot/pmbr file into block #40 of the disk. Yes? But isn't a copy of /boot/pmbr really supposed to end up in the first 512 bytes of the disk, i.e. block #0 ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 23:13:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D488D9 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:13:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4178FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAFNDNX7067584; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAFNDMfV067581; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:13:22 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Al Plant Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? GPT ? In-Reply-To: <50A56467.1030206@hdk5.net> Message-ID: References: <17388.1352953630@tristatelogic.com> <50A56467.1030206@hdk5.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:13:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:13:25 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Al Plant wrote: > I looked over the GPT sample and have a question. > > In the fstab entries, something that uses msdosfs, (thumb drive maybe). > > Can you enter it directly in the fstab after the basic partitions and other > /dev have been entered in the initial setup? Short answer: yes, but... Longer answer: most flash drives have an MBR partition setup with one partition filling the whole device. Since it's not GPT, it won't/can't have GPT labels on the partitions. But the GEOM system will create a label for the MSDOS filesystem if it has been given a volume name. That label will appear in /dev/msdosfs/ and can be used in an /etc/fstab entry. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 23:18:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CC2B78 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:18:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2BE8FC1E for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (pool-98-112-217-228.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [98.112.217.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id qAFN5nam026090; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:05:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <20121115234653.704f5813534aedc596659f51@d2ux.net> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:05:49 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4BC8ADAD-4F40-423A-8AF1-6D607E077A3D@lafn.org> References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> <20121115234653.704f5813534aedc596659f51@d2ux.net> To: Matthias Petermann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:18:02 -0000 On 15 November 2012, at 14:46, Matthias Petermann wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:35:52 -0800 > Michael Sierchio wrote: >=20 >> http://www.freebsd.org/security/ >>=20 >> Scroll down about halfway. 9.0 is a regular release, EOL is January = 31, 2013. >>=20 >> Alternate releases are extended releases, so 9.1 will have a 2 year >> support span. >=20 > Thanks for the clearification. One technical thing: is it possible, to = upgrade > from FreeBSD 9.0 to 9.1 with the freebsd-update utility?=20 Yes. I have done that from 9.0 to 9.1-RC1 and later RC2. It takes = longer than you would like, but works just fine. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 23:21:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E29DC8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:21:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graudeejs@yandex.ru) Received: from forward14.mail.yandex.net (forward14.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:801::4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE518FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web20f.yandex.ru (web20f.yandex.ru [95.108.130.7]) by forward14.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 9FE201982242; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:21:49 +0400 (MSK) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web20f.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id F19052558079; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:21:48 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1353021709; bh=d78JycnRorpLddSUuGUHql1zz/QWzbKyQtxsbl/PW2Q=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Date; b=g4HijCoOzGRP3pQpU6mWC4e+XlMu3ubCckuxtOOjAMFOaoSfGiK8b9zcgLbo7i8wz ePi0LtunAFaJceH7snMQfPaGDiVMT5zGMk+pBneNGE1mgcqvqzW2w60ngYCLYqEfZH ZRj71GVh3p12J4qNC4gmLjr+vBPkyM3+vhOegKeI= Received: from mpe-11-155.mpe.lv (mpe-11-155.mpe.lv [83.241.11.155]) by web20f.yandex.ru with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:21:48 +0400 From: Aldis Berjoza To: Belgacem Jellali , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Texlive MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <198811353021708@web20f.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:21:48 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:21:52 -0000 15.11.2012, 23:45, "Belgacem Jellali" : > Salut > J'aime beaucoup FreeBSD, mais je ne peux pas l'utiliser au quotidien car > j'ai besoin de TexLive2012 et les ports FreeBSD ne le fournissent pas. > Y-a-t'il un moyen pour installer TexLive2012? si oui, je ne supprimerai > jamais šFreeBSD pour installer une Linyx. > Merci Not 100% sure, google translation was good, but I guess you're looking for http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/ -- Aldis Berjoza FreeBSD addict From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 23:26:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153F0E9D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:26:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 585BF8FC0C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Nov 2012 23:25:56 -0000 Received: from port-92-206-39-188.dynamic.qsc.de (EHLO CoreI5) [92.206.39.188] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 16 Nov 2012 00:25:56 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4870692 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+SpaZLs1ySxUPrvdgm2UF3AeKhqGdPnKAxA94mri TYmHk3lSzfQBID Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:25:55 +0100 From: Andreas Rudisch To: Matthias Petermann Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Message-Id: <20121116002555.9b18ff13e9d56ac1af402853@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20121115234653.704f5813534aedc596659f51@d2ux.net> References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> <20121115234653.704f5813534aedc596659f51@d2ux.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:26:05 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:46:53 +0100 Matthias Petermann wrote: > Thanks for the clearification. One technical thing: is it possible, to upgrade > from FreeBSD 9.0 to 9.1 with the freebsd-update utility? Yes, it is. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565 | http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 15 23:31:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A079F1CE for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1DF8FC08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D662B5081D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:31:46 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:31:46 -0800 Message-ID: <26514.1353022306@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:31:47 -0000 (This stuff would probably be a lot less confiusing if I actually knew what I was doing, but...) OK, Warren, I've just done the following steps. The first two I drew from the manpage examples, and then followed those up with two commands from your tutorial. /sbin/gpart create -s GPT ada0 # manpage example is wrong, ad0 -> ada0 /sbin/gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ad0 # manpage wrong again, pmbr -> mbr gpart add -t freebsd-boot -l gpboot -b 40 -s 512K ada0 gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ada0 That last one, done at the suggestion of your tutorial page, has me completely perplexed, because of what is said, very explicitly, in the gpart(8) manpage: bootcode Embed bootstrap code into the partitioning scheme's metadata on the geom (using -b bootcode) or write bootstrap code into a partition (using -p partcode and -i index). Please note the use of the word "or". The man page is telling me to _either_ use the -p option _or else_ use the -p and -i options together. But you are telling me to use all three in one go! Forgive me, but I'm confused. (As you can tell by now, I am often easily confused. Sorry.) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 00:11:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 618) id 822ECF69; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: eGalax USB touch panel on ExoPC Slate vs. FreeBSD and X11 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:11:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20121116001134.822ECF69@hub.freebsd.org> From: wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG (Bill Paul) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:11:34 -0000 Okay. I have my doubts that anyone will be able to answer this question but I'm going to try anyway. I have an ExoPC Slate tablet with FreeBSD 9.0 freshly installed on it, and it has the following touch screen device: ugen0.2: at usbus0 ums0: on usbus0 tablet# usbconfig -u 0 -a 2 dump_device_desc ugen0.2: at usbus0, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON bLength = 0x0012 bDescriptorType = 0x0001 bcdUSB = 0x0110 bDeviceClass = 0x0000 bDeviceSubClass = 0x0000 bDeviceProtocol = 0x0000 bMaxPacketSize0 = 0x0040 idVendor = 0x0eef idProduct = 0x72a1 bcdDevice = 0x1006 iManufacturer = 0x0001 iProduct = 0x0002 iSerialNumber = 0x0000 bNumConfigurations = 0x0001 I put the complete dmesg.boot from FreeBSD 9.0 on the tablet at: http://people.freebsd.org/~wpaul/exopc/dmesg.boot This device is detected by the ums(4) driver as a USB mouse. However, it doesn't quite work right as the ums(4) driver doesn't support multitouch gestures. It senses taps on the screen as button presses, but the cursor doesn't move. My question is: Can someone please tell me how to get this device to work with Xorg in FreeBSD (in this case, FreeBSD 9.0)? Here are some things I'd prefer you didn't tell me: - "Try the uep(4) driver!" Yes, I know about the uep(4) driver. It's for a different class of device. It doesn't support this one. - "Try this patch!" I'm hoping for an officially supported solution rather than an experimental patch. I mean, it's not that I don't appreciate someone's hard work and all, but these things have been around for a while now; you'd think support for it would already be integrated. And besides, it works with Linux. (You don't know how long I've been wanting to say that.) - "Go to this web page!" This _might_ be an acceptable answer _IF_ the said page contains specific instructions which are known to work. I already searched through many web pages before I came here. - "Hey Bill, why don't you just write your own driver?" Because I don't write FreeBSD drivers anymore, and I certainly don't write USB HID drivers, and because fuck you, that's why. (Note: I said that last part with a smile on my face, just in case it wasn't clear. Sometimes people have a hard time grasping my particular brand of humor.) This particular touch screen is basically a USB HID class device. I suspect there's some kind of gimmick you can do with libusb to get it to work with the X server, but I've already spent some time on various experimenmts and come up empty. As I said, I'm hoping there's official support for this kind of device, and I just need to know the right magic incantation to turn it on. Any help would be appreciated. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (510) 749-2329 | Member of Technical Staff, wpaul@windriver.com | Master of Unix-Fu - Wind River Systems ============================================================================= "I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed." - George Carlin ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 01:04:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7563227B for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from gw16.lax01.mailroute.net (lax-gw16.mailroute.net [199.89.0.116]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D52A8FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gw16.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11305BC76C; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:04:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from gw16.lax01.mailroute.net ([199.89.0.116]) by localhost (gw16.lax01.mailroute.net.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id G50IUedmu_Es; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:04:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by gw16.lax01.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4D45BC715; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:04:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6A77915B0; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:04:17 -0800 (PST) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Andreas Rudisch <"cyb."@gmx.net> Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> <20121115234653.704f5813534aedc596659f51@d2ux.net> <20121116002555.9b18ff13e9d56ac1af402853@gmx.net> x-mayan-date: Long count = 12.19.19.16.4; tzolkin = 7 Kan; haab = 7 Ceh Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:04:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20121116002555.9b18ff13e9d56ac1af402853@gmx.net> (Andreas Rudisch's message of "Fri, 16 Nov 2012 00:25:55 +0100") Message-ID: <86zk2is6i6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Matthias Petermann , Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:04:24 -0000 >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Rudisch <"cyb."@gmx.net> writes: Andreas> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:46:53 +0100 Andreas> Matthias Petermann wrote: >> Thanks for the clearification. One technical thing: is it possible, to upgrade >> from FreeBSD 9.0 to 9.1 with the freebsd-update utility? Andreas> Yes, it is. Can I go from 8.3 directly to 9.1, or should I stop over at 9.0 first? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 01:41:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1D5173 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rfg@tristatelogic.com) Received: from outgoing.tristatelogic.com (segfault.tristatelogic.com [69.62.255.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E328FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from segfault-nmh-helo.tristatelogic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by segfault.tristatelogic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7807C5081D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:41:57 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:41:57 -0800 Message-ID: <27315.1353030117@tristatelogic.com> From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:41:59 -0000 NEVERMIND! It took me awhile, but I think I've finally got the hang of this gpart/GPT stuff... well... mostly anyway (but see below). I understand now that /boot/mbr is a "regular" sort of MBR, with regular sort of MBR bootstrap code, whereas /boot/pbmr is the ``protected'' MBR record that says, in effect "I am not a normal MBR. I am special and I'm here to tell you that this drive actually uses the GPT scheme." I've also figured out that despite the gpart(8) man page's unfortunate use of the word "or", it is evidently the case that when doing "gpart bootcode ..." it is perfectly OK to use all three of the -b, -p, and -i options together, and that doing so has (I think) the equivalent effect to invoking "gpart bootcode ..." once with only the -b option and then once again with only the -p and -i options together. I think that I have only two final questions: 1) I can't remember now if the ``guided'' partitioning approach that is offered to folks who are installing FreeBSD 9.x itself offers a "GPT" option or not. Does it? (If not, and if MBR is really now considered antiquated, then I would think that the install process really should offer a GPT option, if it isn't doing so already.) 2) Not knowing any better, on this fresh install that I'm doing now (of 9.1-RC3) when it got down to the point where it asked me how I wanted to partition, I selected the "exit to shell" option. Once I got a shell prompt, I proceeded to do bascially everything that's suggested in the "The New Standard Method" section of Warren's nice tutorial. My assumption was that I could do this, get all of my shiny new GPT partitions just the way I wanted them, and just simply exit the shell... an action which, I had hoped, would return me to the install process at a point where I would then be asked to assign mount points to each of my newly created GPT partitions, and then, hopefully, the rest of the install process would proceed in an entirely customary way. Sadly, this did not happen. After exiting from the shell, the install process _did_ resume, however the first thing it did was to check the integrity of the distributions (kernel+base) that I had selected earlier, and once it was satisfied that they were OK, it immediately started to try to extract everything from those two distribution files. It is easy to undeerstand why this last step failed virtually immediately with the error message: Error while extracting base.txz: Can't set user=0/group=0 for .Can't update time for . Obviously (and quite reasonably) the install process did not have any clear idea of where exactly it was supposed to be extracting the files to, because I had not even assigned mount points for any of my brand new GPT partitions yet. So, um, I'm wondering... Is this a bug, or a feature of the current FreeBSD install process? Should I be filing a PR on this? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A footnote: Since my first try at installing using a GPT partitioning scheme crashed and burned (as described above), I naturally hit the reset button on the machine in question and just started over from the beginning of the whole install process, hoping that I would (this time) be able to make use of the various GPT partitions that I had already set up. (See above.) After the obligatory preliminary questions, I finally I came to the place in the process where it wanted to know if I wanted to do guided, manual, or shell partitioning. At this point, I figured that it made little difference which one I choose (because I'd already created the partitions, and even newfs'd them all) and now I only needed to assign mount points. So I selected the easy choice... "guided"... and immediately I got an error message that said there is not enough free space on the drive to install FreeBSD. (Grrrrr!) Oh well! Along with that error message, I was given an option to open the partition editor, so I took that option and then just assigned proper mount points to all of the partitions that I'd already created, and then, finally, I clicked on . >From there, everything went fine and I successfully installed a minimal 9.1-RC3 system, and then successfully booted it. But then I started to wonder if maybe Warren had left out the instructions for performing this final critical step (assigning mount points) in his tutorial, so I went back and looked at it to see if he had mentioned it, and I see that it doesn't say a word about mount points. Warren? Was this a deliberate or inadvertant ommission? Is the subject of mount points outside of the scope of what you had been intending to cover in your tutorial? And how exactly do mount points get associated with partitions (in particular GPT partitions) anyway? Are these just another partition attribute? The gpart(8) man page is also utterly silent on the subject of mount points, even though they are quite obviously a rather critical component of what it takes to make a partition useful on/to FreeBSD. P.S. Assigning mount points appears to be one thing that the new swiss- army-knife of gpart _cannot_ do. Given that, I have to ask... What if any command line tool is available to associate partitions with mount points? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 01:45:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93A23A5 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946028FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (pool-98-112-217-228.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [98.112.217.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id qAG1jNfJ030241; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:45:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <86zk2is6i6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:45:23 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <45F8E364-217A-4221-9CF4-E8226ED03B10@lafn.org> References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> <20121115234653.704f5813534aedc596659f51@d2ux.net> <20121116002555.9b18ff13e9d56ac1af402853@gmx.net> <86zk2is6i6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> To: "Randal L. Schwartz" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Andreas Rudisch <"cyb."@gmx.net>, Matthias Petermann , Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 01:45:29 -0000 On 15 November 2012, at 17:04, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Andreas" =3D=3D Andreas Rudisch <"cyb."@gmx.net> writes: >=20 > Andreas> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:46:53 +0100 > Andreas> Matthias Petermann wrote: >=20 >>> Thanks for the clearification. One technical thing: is it possible, = to upgrade >>> from FreeBSD 9.0 to 9.1 with the freebsd-update utility?=20 >=20 > Andreas> Yes, it is. >=20 > Can I go from 8.3 directly to 9.1, or should I stop over at 9.0 first? For me that was not possible. My disks were partitioned and labeled = when FreeBSD 4.7 was new. The size of the root partition was now too = small for 9.0. I had to do a complete install and reformat of the = drives to get to 9.0. My root partition was a bit small for 7.x as I = had to delete the symbol files to make it fit. =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 02:38:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80AE7C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:38:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4358FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from root@localhost) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12738 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:38:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:38:44 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Glass Message-Id: <201211160238.TAA12738@lariat.net> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: How close is 9.1 to release? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:38:55 -0000 Have begun getting warnings from freebsd-update that 9.0 is close to its EOL, but the successor release (9.1) is not even out yet... which means that there's no way to gauge its stability or quality by watching for reported problems. How's 9.1-RELEASE coming? Any showstoppers? --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 03:03:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B690AEA3 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:03:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E998FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:03:56 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIEAMyrpVDLevdH/2dsb2JhbABEvwKETYIeAQEFOEEQCw4KCRMDDwkDAgECAUUGDQEHAQGICL0mjDGFDQOmP4MC Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2012 13:33:55 +1030 Message-ID: <50A5AB20.1080305@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:25:28 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121030 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. References: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <201211150943.42772.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <20121115105350.3c65aedf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:03:57 -0000 On 16/11/2012 02:25, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: > >> Is there a recommended way to automate the "GEOM re-tasting" so >> SD cards can be accessed without further interaction (by simply >> using the correct mount command)? > > Not AFAIK. Could depend on hardware also; some card readers might not > need it. I haven't tried this --- Given that the reader is a usb device could it be added to the devd setup? Something like - attach 200 { device-name "da[0-9]+"; match "vendor" "0x058f"; match "product" "0x6362"; action "/usr/bin/true > /dev/${device-name}"; }; Saved to /usr/local/etc/devd/SD.conf vendor and product are from my internal reader that I never use as I never did get it to mount a card - I have an external reader that works fine. There should be a more generic way to recognise card readers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 04:04:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5573CA51 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 04:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A5B8FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 04:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAG44pP8069835; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAG44pmH069832; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:04:51 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? In-Reply-To: <27315.1353030117@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: References: <27315.1353030117@tristatelogic.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:04:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 04:04:53 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > I think that I have only two final questions: > > 1) I can't remember now if the ``guided'' partitioning approach that > is offered to folks who are installing FreeBSD 9.x itself offers a > "GPT" option or not. Does it? (If not, and if MBR is really now > considered antiquated, then I would think that the install process > really should offer a GPT option, if it isn't doing so already.) GPT is the default for bsdinstall. > 2) Not knowing any better, on this fresh install that I'm doing now > (of 9.1-RC3) when it got down to the point where it asked me how I wanted > to partition, I selected the "exit to shell" option. Once I got a > shell prompt, I proceeded to do bascially everything that's suggested > in the "The New Standard Method" section of Warren's nice tutorial. > My assumption was that I could do this, get all of my shiny new GPT > partitions just the way I wanted them, and just simply exit the shell... > an action which, I had hoped, would return me to the install process > at a point where I would then be asked to assign mount points to each > of my newly created GPT partitions, and then, hopefully, the rest of the > install process would proceed in an entirely customary way. It would, but you have to mount the new filesystems in a certain spot. bsdinstall shows a prompt about that. > And how exactly do mount points get associated with partitions (in particular > GPT partitions) anyway? Are these just another partition attribute? The > gpart(8) man page is also utterly silent on the subject of mount points, > even though they are quite obviously a rather critical component of what > it takes to make a partition useful on/to FreeBSD. GPT partitions appear in /dev as the drive name followed by "p" and the partition number, similar to the old slice/partition notation. So instead of /dev/ada0s1a, it will typically be /dev/ada0p2. These are entered in /etc/fstab as normal. My guide uses GPT labels, which are superior in many ways to fixed device names, but also not really covered by that article. > P.S. Assigning mount points appears to be one thing that the new swiss- > army-knife of gpart _cannot_ do. Given that, I have to ask... > What if any command line tool is available to associate partitions with > mount points? /etc/fstab, same as normal. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 05:40:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549EC4E6 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 05:40:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6028FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 05:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90CD3CA5D; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:40:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAG5ei1a002032; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:40:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:40:44 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Shane Ambler Subject: Re: Mounting SD card. Message-Id: <20121116064044.f416fc01.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50A5AB20.1080305@ShaneWare.Biz> References: <201211142058.18913.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <201211150943.42772.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> <20121115105350.3c65aedf.freebsd@edvax.de> <50A5AB20.1080305@ShaneWare.Biz> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 05:40:52 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:25:28 +1030, Shane Ambler wrote: > On 16/11/2012 02:25, Warren Block wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Polytropon wrote: > > > >> Is there a recommended way to automate the "GEOM re-tasting" so > >> SD cards can be accessed without further interaction (by simply > >> using the correct mount command)? > > > > Not AFAIK. Could depend on hardware also; some card readers might not > > need it. > > I haven't tried this --- > > Given that the reader is a usb device could it be added to the devd setup? > > Something like - > > attach 200 { > device-name "da[0-9]+"; > match "vendor" "0x058f"; > match "product" "0x6362"; > action "/usr/bin/true > /dev/${device-name}"; > }; > > > Saved to /usr/local/etc/devd/SD.conf > > vendor and product are from my internal reader that I never use as I > never did get it to mount a card - I have an external reader that works > fine. There should be a more generic way to recognise card readers. Interesting approach, but I can already predict where it would fail at least for my setup: I have an internal card reader for SD, CF and other kinds of media, connected per internal USB to the main board. The device files representing the "slots" are present since system startup: da0, da1, da2. They do not "change" when a card is inserted. In fact, the OS does not notice if a card is inserted (or even removed). Using the "true > /dev/da0" approach causes the card to be recognized, as some of the cards can have a /dev/da0s1 "primary DOS partition" which has to be mounted (instead of blindly trying /dev/da0). However, this approach might work with external "35 in 1" card readers connected to external USB _with_ the card being present when attached to the system. Sadly, the handling of that specific kind of removable media is still sub-optimum, nearly near-pessimum, si se oblivisci quae vellet. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 07:10:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652DBC4C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baerks@t-online.de) Received: from mailout09.t-online.de (mailout09.t-online.de [194.25.134.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180D78FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd51.aul.t-online.de (fwd51.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout09.t-online.de with smtp id 1TZG4L-0003J7-6h; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:10:29 +0100 Received: from amd.mersam.homelinux.org (XdK6asZOoh9xh3aJDTUvBFR1Y+OklYbKTMQ44KU4uHFWGTVhB30z52ZYkJYNhrvw02@[91.59.79.155]) by fwd51.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1TZG4C-1RNid60; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:10:20 +0100 Received: from amd.catfish.ddns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amd.mersam.homelinux.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAG7AaSM081929; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:10:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from monkel@amd.catfish.ddns.org) Received: (from monkel@localhost) by amd.catfish.ddns.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qAG7AZLD081928; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:10:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from monkel) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:10:34 +0100 From: Sabine Baer To: Belgacem Jellali Subject: Re: Texlive Message-ID: <20121116071034.GG89035@amd.catfish.ddns.org> Mail-Followup-To: Belgacem Jellali , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-ID: XdK6asZOoh9xh3aJDTUvBFR1Y+OklYbKTMQ44KU4uHFWGTVhB30z52ZYkJYNhrvw02 X-TOI-MSGID: ad79c9ac-6ebb-4bdc-a33f-f712529191bc Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:10:36 -0000 On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:44:54PM +0100, Belgacem Jellali wrote: > Salut > J'aime beaucoup FreeBSD, mais je ne peux pas l'utiliser au quotidien car > j'ai besoin de TexLive2012 et les ports FreeBSD ne le fournissent pas. > Y-a-t'il un moyen pour installer TexLive2012? si oui, je ne supprimerai > jamais FreeBSD pour installer une Linyx. Vous pouvez bien installer TeXLive en aller à http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html et download install-tl-unx.tar.gz Si vous faites cs que c'est dit là et changez votres $PATH - voilà - TeXLive marche. N'installez pas le port /usr/ports/print/teTeX-texmf en même temps. Sabine -- Nicht das Schicksal zu aendern, sondern sich ihm zu unterwerfen, macht den Heroismus des autoritaeren Charakters aus. (E. Fromm) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 07:52:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A47D8B0 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@d2ux.net) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net (h1907788.stratoserver.net [85.214.252.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338C38FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623F939EDCD2; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:52:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h1907788.stratoserver.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ACxKLH7u59El; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:52:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E7E39EDCCB; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:52:02 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: SOGoMail 1.3.18 X-Forward: localhost.localdomain from: "Matthias Petermann" subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. message-id: <2c53-50a5f080-27d-27e0f7c0@89976315> to: "Andreas Rudisch" date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:52:02 +0100 in-reply-to: <20121116002555.9b18ff13e9d56ac1af402853@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:52:06 -0000 Hi Andreas, do I understand it right - the default behaviour of freebsd-update will be to update a 9.0 system to 9.1 when it becomes available? So this is a rolling procedure? I ask this because I could not find a parameter etc. in the man page which may influent this, e.g. to limit updates to stay in a main release (9.0, 9.0-p1, 9.0-p....., 9.0-p12) but don't upgrade to 9.1. Kind regards, Matthias Am Freitag, 16. November 2012 00:25 CET, Andreas Rudisch <"cyb."@gmx.net> schrieb: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:46:53 +0100 Matthias Petermann wrote: > Thanks for the clearification. One technical thing: is it possible, to upgrade > from FreeBSD 9.0 to 9.1 with the freebsd-update utility? Yes, it is. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 08:05:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821DAB07 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143278FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:05:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:55:22 +0100 Message-ID: <50A5F169.8090005@ose.nl> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:55:21 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121028 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. References: <2c53-50a5f080-27d-27e0f7c0@89976315> In-Reply-To: <2c53-50a5f080-27d-27e0f7c0@89976315> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:05:34 -0000 On 11/16/2012 08=3A52 AM=2C Matthias Petermann wrote=3A =3E Hi Andreas=2C =3E do I understand it right - the default behaviour of freebsd-update= will =3E be to update a 9=2E0 system to 9=2E1 when it becomes available=3F S= o this is =3E a rolling procedure=3F Hi No it only updates the release you have=2E To upgrade you wil have to use -r and specify the release In other words to upgrade use freebsd-update -r 9=2E1-RELEASE upgrade =3E I ask this because I could not find a parameter etc=2E in the man p= age =3E which may influent this=2C e=2Eg=2E to limit updates to stay in a m= ain =3E release =289=2E0=2C 9=2E0-p1=2C 9=2E0-p=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2C 9=2E0-p12= =29 but don=27t upgrade to 9=2E1=2E =3E Kind regards=2C =3E Matthias =3E Am Freitag=2C 16=2E November 2012 00=3A25 CET=2C Andreas Rudisch =3E =3C=22cyb=2E=22=40gmx=2Enet=3E schrieb=3A =3E =3E On Thu=2C 15 Nov 2012 23=3A46=3A53 +0100 =3E Matthias Petermann wrote=3A =3E =3E Thanks for the clearification=2E One technical thing=3A is it= =3E possible=2C to upgrade =3E =3E from FreeBSD 9=2E0 to 9=2E1 with the freebsd-update utility= =3F =3E Yes=2C it is=2E This e-mail message=2C including any attachment=28s=29=2C is intended solel= y for the addressee or addressees=2E Any views or opinions presented herein= are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of O= SE=2E If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please return t= his e-mail message and the attachment=28s=29 to the sender and delete and d= estroy all copies=2E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 08:38:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0465D3 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:38:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0935A8FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Nov 2012 08:38:45 -0000 Received: from port-92-206-39-188.dynamic.qsc.de (EHLO CoreI5) [92.206.39.188] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 16 Nov 2012 09:38:45 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4870692 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/hRB45OHTh6B9z07QV0BIKI0IdJWBZwWm9T4CRv2 6rDjgfYXcP35fb Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:38:43 +0100 From: Andreas Rudisch To: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Message-Id: <20121116093843.1a09e12f79368efb4f52660f@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <86zk2is6i6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> <20121115234653.704f5813534aedc596659f51@d2ux.net> <20121116002555.9b18ff13e9d56ac1af402853@gmx.net> <86zk2is6i6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:38:47 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:04:17 -0800 merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > >> Thanks for the clearification. One technical thing: is it possible, to upgrade > >> from FreeBSD 9.0 to 9.1 with the freebsd-update utility? > > Andreas> Yes, it is. > > Can I go from 8.3 directly to 9.1, or should I stop over at 9.0 first? Once 9.1 will be release soon, you will see something like that: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/installation.html You should of course backup your data. I did an upgrade from 8.3 to 9.1-RC3 recently without problems. But keep in mind that you will have to recompile/ reinstall all installed ports. I usually delete all installed ports before the upgrade to a new major version. Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565 | http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 08:42:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64201690 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "cyb."@gmx.net) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5A298FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Nov 2012 08:42:00 -0000 Received: from port-92-206-39-188.dynamic.qsc.de (EHLO CoreI5) [92.206.39.188] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 16 Nov 2012 09:42:00 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4870692 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+otPVZFzKoyA34zCICcl0bhyEbF9JNYq0wqSwrAc iXbEeho1hmp3u1 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:41:58 +0100 From: Andreas Rudisch To: "Matthias Petermann" Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Message-Id: <20121116094158.2b906818e65ed80d47db20f3@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <2c53-50a5f080-27d-27e0f7c0@89976315> References: <20121116002555.9b18ff13e9d56ac1af402853@gmx.net> <2c53-50a5f080-27d-27e0f7c0@89976315> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Andreas Rudisch X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:42:02 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:52:02 +0100 "Matthias Petermann" wrote: > do I understand it right - the default behaviour of freebsd-update will > be to update a 9.0 system to 9.1 when it becomes available? So this is > a rolling procedure? > I ask this because I could not find a parameter etc. in the man page > which may influent this, e.g. to limit updates to stay in a main > release (9.0, 9.0-p1, 9.0-p....., 9.0-p12) but don't upgrade to 9.1. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html Andreas -- GnuPG key : 0x2A573565 | http://www.gnupg.org/howtos/de/ Fingerprint: 925D 2089 0BF9 8DE5 9166 33BB F0FD CD37 2A57 3565 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 09:02:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84799EE for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2348FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE6924CB8; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:02:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAG92YjD002763; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:02:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:02:34 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Andreas Rudisch <"cyb."@gmx.net> Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Message-Id: <20121116100234.794d869a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121116093843.1a09e12f79368efb4f52660f@gmx.net> References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> <20121115234653.704f5813534aedc596659f51@d2ux.net> <20121116002555.9b18ff13e9d56ac1af402853@gmx.net> <86zk2is6i6.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20121116093843.1a09e12f79368efb4f52660f@gmx.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:02:43 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:38:43 +0100, Andreas Rudisch wrote: > But keep in mind that you will have to recompile/ > reinstall all installed ports. This is not required as long as you install the compatx port. But as soon as you update some port, or maybe want to install something new, things tend to break unexpectedly (especially in library land). > I usually delete all installed ports before > the upgrade to a new major version. The EXAMPLES section of "man portmaster" has a nice instruction of how to do this. It's definitely the preferred way for a clean installation. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 09:09:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057C6BA6 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:09:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC998FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAG98x5C038469; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:08:59 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:09:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:09:02 -0000 On 11/15/12 15:56, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> Trying to rebuild ports, I'm consistently getting the following: >> >> ahcich1 Timeout on slot 13 port 0 >> ^---- slot varies >> g_vfs_done() ada0p6 [WRITE(offset=38838571008 length=4096)]error=6 > > That seems familiar, maybe others have reported it. Is this a motherboard > controller, or add-in? mobo. Asus M4A89TD PRO/USB3 specs say AMD SB850 controller > After a backup, I'd make sure the motherboard and controller BIOS are up to date. And also the SSD firmware. Thanks for the reminder, I see there is a new one. >> ~$ gpart show ada0 >> => 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) >> 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) >> 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / >> 41943202 1048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M) swap >> 42991778 8388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) /var >> 51380386 4194304 5 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) /tmp >> 55574690 192216088 6 freebsd-ufs (91G) /usr >> 247790778 2278869 - free - (1.1G) > > It would not cause this problem, but those partitions are not aligned. > That would only affect speed, not reliability. geezes, it's not even on a 4K boundary from the get-go; not sure how that happened. let-alone the 1M boundary I just learned about. Thanks From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 14:07:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD178EC7 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D698FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail.dweimer.net [192.168.5.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAGE71VG005714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:07:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:07:01 -0600 From: dweimer To: Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive =?UTF-8?Q?=3F?= Organization: dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <26514.1353022306@tristatelogic.com> References: <26514.1353022306@tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <46dc11a33f41ccb597efc1f2efb94403@dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:07:09 -0000 On 2012-11-15 17:31, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > (This stuff would probably be a lot less confiusing if I actually > knew > what I was doing, but...) > > OK, Warren, I've just done the following steps. The first two I drew > from the manpage examples, and then followed those up with two > commands > from your tutorial. > > /sbin/gpart create -s GPT ada0 # manpage example is wrong, ad0 > -> ada0 > /sbin/gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ad0 # manpage wrong again, pmbr > -> mbr > gpart add -t freebsd-boot -l gpboot -b 40 -s 512K ada0 > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ada0 > > That last one, done at the suggestion of your tutorial page, has me > completely perplexed, because of what is said, very explicitly, in > the > gpart(8) manpage: > > bootcode Embed bootstrap code into the partitioning scheme's > metadata on > the geom (using -b bootcode) or write bootstrap code > into a > partition (using -p partcode and -i index). > > Please note the use of the word "or". > > The man page is telling me to _either_ use the -p option _or else_ > use > the -p and -i options together. But you are telling me to use all > three > in one go! > > Forgive me, but I'm confused. (As you can tell by now, I am often > easily > confused. Sorry.) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I saw this, and well started wondering myself, as I have been using this while doing work on booting FreeBSD via ZFS (of course using -p /boot/gptzfsboot), I got the line from a tutorial on booting from ZFS. Never thought much of it, until now, but I believe I see now why, the secret is the pmbr, notice the "p". Its the protective mbr, it lets formatting tools that understand mbr, but not gpart know that there is something there, the actual boot code is in the partition. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 14:17:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453034D8 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:17:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-187.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F3C8FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.dweimer.net (webmail.dweimer.net [192.168.5.1]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAGEHduI006020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:17:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:17:39 -0600 From: dweimer To: Subject: Re: WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. Organization: dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> References: <20121115225711.3cd8b952c68e1bcc67d08977@d2ux.net> Message-ID: <85fcd1a44b05333bf97fa90f249239d9@dweimer.net> X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.8.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:17:41 -0000 On 2012-11-15 15:57, Matthias Petermann wrote: > Hello, > > from a freshly installed FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE I did a freebsd-update > to bring > it to the latest patch level. > > After: > > # freebsd-update fetch > > I got this message: > > WARNING: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date. > It is strongly recommended that you upgrade to a newer > release within the next 2 months. > > What does this exactly mean? Is the whole 9.0 Series approaching EOL, > or > does this only apply to the initial 9.0-RELEASE _AND NOT_ to e.g. > 9.0-RELEASE-p3 ? > > Where can I find more information on the planned lifecycles of the > current > and upcoming releases? Are there any? > > Thanks & kind regards > > Matthias Its all on the website, Current Release Information: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ Release engineering Information: http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ Next release information: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html Its running a touch behind (11-12-2012 was target release announcement), but I am glad they prefer to do it right rather than on time. FreeBSD 9.0-RElEASE-p4 is actually current, but I believe the p4 doesn't show up unless you do a build world. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 14:43:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1924ED8 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:43:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bgold@simons-rock.edu) Received: from hedwig.simons-rock.edu (hedwig.simons-rock.edu [208.81.88.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BD18FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from behemoth (behemoth.simons-rock.edu [10.30.2.44]) by hedwig.simons-rock.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E4A163C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:36:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Gold" To: Subject: odd phantom directory Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:36:33 -0500 Message-ID: <06e901cdc407$c69ee650$53dcb2f0$@simons-rock.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac3EA/x0lcsMdEXPQfyTKPk6/2Tjsw== Content-Language: en-us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:43:01 -0000 Hi all, I ran into a rather odd issue this morning with my FreeBSD 9.0-Release system running ZFS v28. This system serves as an RSYNC host which all of our other systems back up to each night. Last night, I started getting the following error: file has vanished: "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" Now, usually when I get a file has vanished error during an RSYNC run, it indicates that the source file/directory on the system that is sending the rsync backup has been deleted or moved before rsync got a chance to actually send it. That doesn't appear to be the case here. "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" is the destination directory on my Freebsd/ZFS server. I take a look in "/backup/ldap1/etc" on my Freebsd server and the "pki" subdirectory is no longer listed. Ok, so I run "mkdir /backup/ldap1/etc/pki" and get the following error: "mkdir: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: File exists". Odd Just to double check, I run "ls -la /backup/ldap1/etc/pki" and get the following: "ls: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory" Alright, how about a simple touch? "touch: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory" Fine. Maybe there is something funky about the "/backup/ldap1/etc" directory that is preventing me from doing any of this. "mkdir /backup/ldap1/etc/pki2". That works just fine. What the heck? Looking at the output of my daily security run, I see the following: Checking setuid files and devices: find: /backup/ldap1/etc/fonts/conf.avail: No such file or directory find: /backup/ldap1/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf: No such file or directory find: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory So, it looks like there are a few files/directories in /backup/ldap1/etc that were affected. Looking through dmesg and /var/log/messages, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. I'm running a zpool scrub now just to be on the safe side, but I haven't seen any checksum or other errors so far. Any thoughts as to what might be causing this? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 14:51:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88E055B for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256B78FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAGEoAUs045743; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:50:10 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <50A652A1.6050402@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:50:09 +0000 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121029 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dweimer@dweimer.net Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? References: <26514.1353022306@tristatelogic.com> <46dc11a33f41ccb597efc1f2efb94403@dweimer.net> In-Reply-To: <46dc11a33f41ccb597efc1f2efb94403@dweimer.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:51:36 -0000 On 11/16/12 14:07, dweimer wrote: > On 2012-11-15 17:31, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> (This stuff would probably be a lot less confiusing if I actually knew >> what I was doing, but...) >> >> OK, Warren, I've just done the following steps. The first two I drew >> from the manpage examples, and then followed those up with two commands >> from your tutorial. >> >> /sbin/gpart create -s GPT ada0 # manpage example is wrong, ad0 -> >> ada0 >> /sbin/gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr ad0 # manpage wrong again, pmbr >> -> mbr >> gpart add -t freebsd-boot -l gpboot -b 40 -s 512K ada0 >> gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ada0 >> >> That last one, done at the suggestion of your tutorial page, has me >> completely perplexed, because of what is said, very explicitly, in the >> gpart(8) manpage: >> >> bootcode Embed bootstrap code into the partitioning scheme's >> metadata on >> the geom (using -b bootcode) or write bootstrap code >> into a >> partition (using -p partcode and -i index). >> >> Please note the use of the word "or". >> >> The man page is telling me to _either_ use the -p option _or else_ use >> the -p and -i options together. But you are telling me to use all three >> in one go! >> >> Forgive me, but I'm confused. (As you can tell by now, I am often easily >> confused. Sorry.) >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I saw this, and well started wondering myself, as I have been using this > while doing work on booting FreeBSD via ZFS (of course using -p > /boot/gptzfsboot), I got the line from a tutorial on booting from ZFS. > Never thought much of it, until now, but I believe I see now why, the > secret is the pmbr, notice the "p". Its the protective mbr, it lets > formatting tools that understand mbr, but not gpart know that there is > something there, the actual boot code is in the partition. pmbr serves two purposes. It's both the first stage boot code, as a traditional BIOS always loads the first block of the disk into memory and runs it to boot the machine regardless of whether you've got an MBR or GPT disk, and it contains a traditional MBR that shows the entire disk is occupied by the first DOS partition (slice in BSD terminology) and that is of type 0xee. The latter means that GPT ignorant utilities see the disk as fully occupied by a partition of unknown type, which should mean they won't touch anything. The pmbr boot code understands the GPT table and runs through the partition entries looking for one of type freebsd-boot. When it finds one, it then loads the contents of the partition (or the first 545k if it's larger) into memory and jumps to the second stage boot loader. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 14:56:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D1F63C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888988FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAGEuK71074415; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAGEuKP2074412; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:56:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:56:20 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? In-Reply-To: <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:56:20 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:56:24 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: >>> ~$ gpart show ada0 >>> => 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) >>> 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) >>> 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / >>> 41943202 1048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M) swap >>> 42991778 8388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) /var >>> 51380386 4194304 5 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) /tmp >>> 55574690 192216088 6 freebsd-ufs (91G) /usr >>> 247790778 2278869 - free - (1.1G) >> >> It would not cause this problem, but those partitions are not aligned. >> That would only affect speed, not reliability. > > geezes, it's not even on a 4K boundary from the get-go; > not sure how that happened. > let-alone the 1M boundary I just learned about. That's a normal install. It's fine for 512-byte devices. I have other suggestions too, but let's save that until the problem is fixed. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 14:58:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F155E788 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:58:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA228FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.197.103]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 06:57:56 -0800 Message-ID: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:57:53 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2012 14:57:56.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2FB2B50:01CDC40A] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:58:03 -0000 Section 23.3 of the handbook speaks about FreeBSD as a host. No where in that section does it say anything about virtualbox running from the FreeBSD host command line or from A Desktop. Do I need a Desktop for virtualbox to run under? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 15:12:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A4ECC7 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F000D8FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gh0-f172.google.com with SMTP id g10so566184ghb.17 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:12:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=84JGcKPmKWJ1myqL2xuZJ6OjgR0Y6vOJ59eEGeHNnD0=; b=d4WItMaFPp4gmBj+eQRPW9ZTMHH22rJDH8tixwU/EI8fY6BdQJxDe/Ppy0EZOpGeuy Wzqt1JXPvEP90FAm+NB4kflzezIufmGzNn5YOf3K3HZVAo+WT/PPjg5Q67q2Soezp3m3 qk/XDF6wztyvcOZyct3bpuXMUTg5xALUpgAVg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=84JGcKPmKWJ1myqL2xuZJ6OjgR0Y6vOJ59eEGeHNnD0=; b=D0gXl584lTeU31cKqPCKDnFQOPdgJ111Pup0E0o3AYHbY31QBmQmxQeVaMp6i8u22S Uf3U+pxtOdxe1saOj4cvl3bRA5EsVgDPwFE6jZ7CU070OVMLARtitLU0kLCSsDJOwASG XP7jUbfgi6KLi0oUP1klVCp8BJINA3cKQ3N1Gz8JZfduRNEKpx3m3QAaAAIXaG30KZxc el3oLjgYmyHiUxMvC589ALqiDxp8Ttb34pL1PVbVvqR6rqVslQXixUT1nuu+fmU0kM5x l3lFs7nSP2xRZ9UWRytiDrXa5qp6Uy9BnsG+lk2xQET3IOZEQJQhqK1T2sOYSFdfp08l U8sA== Received: by 10.236.144.137 with SMTP id n9mr4462389yhj.107.1353078766913; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi ([177.133.109.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e18sm1715328yhi.0.2012.11.16.07.12.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:12:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:14:08 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-ID: <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> In-Reply-To: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkdMh+5/MWWdYIu//jz0jHoJ9Yc/Mw/iOKI1o3+UF9tEoHwwilGvBOaRmXryX8fO+n4fDko X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:12:50 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:57:53 -0500 Fbsd8 wrote: > Section 23.3 of the handbook speaks about FreeBSD as a host. > No where in that section does it say anything about virtualbox > running from the FreeBSD host command line or from A Desktop. > > Do I need a Desktop for virtualbox to run under? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" NOPE !! VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 15:44:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F7D95C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042328FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.197.103]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:44:56 -0800 Message-ID: <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:44:54 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mario Lobo Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> In-Reply-To: <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2012 15:44:56.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[540C1AE0:01CDC411] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:44:56 -0000 Mario Lobo wrote: > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:57:53 -0500 > Fbsd8 wrote: > >> Section 23.3 of the handbook speaks about FreeBSD as a host. >> No where in that section does it say anything about virtualbox >> running from the FreeBSD host command line or from A Desktop. >> >> Do I need a Desktop for virtualbox to run under? >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > NOPE !! > > VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" > Issueing VirtualBox from host command line gets this msg. Failed to open the x11 display VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" assumes that there a vb guest all ready configured which is not my case. There is no man page for VBoxHeadless command. How do a configure a vb guest from the host command line? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 15:54:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE901DCF for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588538FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gh0-f172.google.com with SMTP id g10so578487ghb.17 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:54:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xHHbIHCkATCIJaOySMzkVUHyI4f0Nc1sdAGks90bhgo=; b=DjMahpAZsM5K05RluP9sAIR96wqHhz/xqgDVuR/SgHXHvZjCqVa24wBEWYBEmow/Yz 1cbj3f/Z+QcxCo/tgFzfTlvZngp8sjYtA9X7pMSuJvwGBvtVXy1RYLj2pZRtG2NEWyZ1 hN2TP2bjNlOqvuaOyV5MTw3UsqVY9voI1vnCo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=xHHbIHCkATCIJaOySMzkVUHyI4f0Nc1sdAGks90bhgo=; b=pt6VaB3lhYUwU3TxPdoEz3zHKIhTG7sE4E4fCQ4VpJ1bQ9PZIUDjF7lysqiYXRv948 bJSiobzsJsJrPjlyGWNX8Dcs5xsXq9koz7ySrOUfy1h8K3ebj3cdV7CK4VOaeKBeKA8g w/oTIfdqg3eTgUZ9dSxSoZxR7tS6p3RB14VFJWAUOfBkhNBscPHPI7TVnQq6o8ACYxYa 0tKKE6Z/LYKkFNFw8fwc5sypiqmBYz1DHKYgdi4Tt7cTchhvtt6qjiNJbrwVK6rG+C3D GE3IYqNbTl/s/K3DSst5FNSpp+scPyWFgr1f/VOOD225tzwIoGQpCRO6tWRwKJ2l4WfF 3jYQ== Received: by 10.236.141.78 with SMTP id f54mr4716355yhj.92.1353081297753; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi ([177.133.109.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v4sm1623453ank.9.2012.11.16.07.54.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:54:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:56:18 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-ID: <20121116125618.7eee0ac9@papi> In-Reply-To: <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn2QNkE+qlmbHmHJS+QcVFy3zVVAP4P1KX9XYnMTc+RQxQ35nHPmV6UYDM9NMyLayxmXx6I X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:54:58 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:44:54 -0500 Fbsd8 wrote: > Mario Lobo wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:57:53 -0500 > > Fbsd8 wrote: > > > >> Section 23.3 of the handbook speaks about FreeBSD as a host. > >> No where in that section does it say anything about virtualbox > >> running from the FreeBSD host command line or from A Desktop. > >> > >> Do I need a Desktop for virtualbox to run under? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > NOPE !! > > > > VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" > > > > Issueing VirtualBox from host command line gets this msg. > Failed to open the x11 display > > VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" assumes that there a vb guest > all ready configured which is not my case. > > There is no man page for VBoxHeadless command. > > How do a configure a vb guest from the host command line? > > You can start VirtualBox from an ssh session (with X-forwarding enabled) from you desktop to your desktopless host. Ssh will forward the VBox window to your screen. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 16:01:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F7CC8 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:01:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yh0-f54.google.com (mail-yh0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0009A8FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id s35so571049yhf.13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:01:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OMzU8bESNPDyJPp4PvWu0n366dCAQ9Fv3wLCoflAmmI=; b=FSmk3yFwH3MBcltG3Uvr3eKfjbw66qWcUIKA89kSQkKs19no4tQNKXvIF6u98y/3Zy 8tUhNladc6KLvf8dbr1X/ctYWaQCvVEjuCGRY3DIj1WlXFTV3Sb2MH07ZkXqrU8f4VkE ff9l4EHBzXgN4uaGzfl+y6l27oYsMlSe0ibCo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=OMzU8bESNPDyJPp4PvWu0n366dCAQ9Fv3wLCoflAmmI=; b=E4/gxL1uP8fnTiPhgJGM6oAkP/ETkDZZkGfe2z/clMvlp+jkOxDxbs4uD8Tt6RZP+b SLF8fmVtD5k0Uf5OzHZljIPMgOYyM3ImD/YvKX7FCn7YkPr2pNC64zUyaCJzbB5znGeh fA0kBl1URF8JBfAowVROj/raWt2GnveBYQ782/CoOW9/7oMzqBkdE/pV7AbwpITP2dJA D0SLh7AMrohfV/xQViYyMCC14SQVdPCxrGLmDzQI4GfHXDRfQI6HDOaZGDvQg8QENBzv /VF3Gk62vi9yHpxnaiV1NmCSRUZbNjcv9ZkfOGklUuIvG4/WVZs2FVZHBOQINJ43m/74 vQ+w== Received: by 10.236.131.69 with SMTP id l45mr4657354yhi.46.1353081701014; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi ([177.133.109.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o66sm1794817yhi.19.2012.11.16.08.01.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 08:01:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:03:02 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-ID: <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> In-Reply-To: <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmWPNgM6snw6Sz6a76Ut4zrl9BDBmIUMmFNcXJAXmHyyHeN5Wk+YAmrlsdpnDbx8Q/PNKYz X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:01:42 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:44:54 -0500 Fbsd8 wrote: > Mario Lobo wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:57:53 -0500 > > Fbsd8 wrote: > > > >> Section 23.3 of the handbook speaks about FreeBSD as a host. > >> No where in that section does it say anything about virtualbox > >> running from the FreeBSD host command line or from A Desktop. > >> > >> Do I need a Desktop for virtualbox to run under? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > NOPE !! > > > > VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" > > > > Issueing VirtualBox from host command line gets this msg. > Failed to open the x11 display > > VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" assumes that there a vb guest > all ready configured which is not my case. > Right! I assumed you already had the VM ready. Sorry. > There is no man page for VBoxHeadless command. There are those: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/UserManual.pdf and http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ VBoxHeadless is covered on both. > How do a configure a vb guest from the host command line? > > VBoxManage can do all that from command line. Check it out or follow my previous e-mail. Sorry for not being more thorough on my last post. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 16:14:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41CD623 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:14:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED1E8FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAGGEH6h039870; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:14:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:14:17 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:14:17 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:14:19 -0000 >>>> ~$ gpart show ada0 >>>> => 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) >>>> 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) >>>> 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / >>>> 41943202 1048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M) swap >>>> 42991778 8388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) /var >>>> 51380386 4194304 5 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) /tmp >>>> 55574690 192216088 6 freebsd-ufs (91G) /usr >>>> 247790778 2278869 - free - (1.1G) >>> >>> It would not cause this problem, but those partitions are not aligned. >>> That would only affect speed, not reliability. >> >> geezes, it's not even on a 4K boundary from the get-go; >> not sure how that happened. >> let-alone the 1M boundary I just learned about. > > That's a normal install. It's fine for 512-byte devices. > I have other suggestions too, but let's save that until the problem is fixed. aaahhh. Vague recollections of getting this to boot up first time around. How about suggestions anyway, as I'm going to build an sata disk and move things to that as part of the process to see what's wrong. May as well get it right-ish the first time; then repartition the SSD. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 16:22:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884BEAE1 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bgold@simons-rock.edu) Received: from hedwig.simons-rock.edu (hedwig.simons-rock.edu [208.81.88.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACDA8FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from behemoth (behemoth.simons-rock.edu [10.30.2.44]) by hedwig.simons-rock.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50281263 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:22:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Gold" To: References: <06e901cdc407$c69ee650$53dcb2f0$@simons-rock.edu> In-Reply-To: <06e901cdc407$c69ee650$53dcb2f0$@simons-rock.edu> Subject: RE: odd phantom directory Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:22:54 -0500 Message-ID: <070e01cdc416$a1b60e40$e5222ac0$@simons-rock.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGe32aiqUBW9hEMgxgRz6Iwjy/kQZhKbXIQ Content-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:22:55 -0000 It looks like this may be the same issue as reported here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2011-October/027902.html but that thread seems to have just died off about a year ago. Zfs scrub is still running, but not reported errors so far. I'm going to run a "zdb -ccv backup" once that is done. >From looking over this other thread, I tried just a simple "ls /backup/ldap1/etc" and "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" does show up if I do "ls" without any arguments. If I do an "ls -l" then it doesn't show up. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Brian Gold Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:37 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: odd phantom directory Hi all, I ran into a rather odd issue this morning with my FreeBSD 9.0-Release system running ZFS v28. This system serves as an RSYNC host which all of our other systems back up to each night. Last night, I started getting the following error: file has vanished: "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" Now, usually when I get a file has vanished error during an RSYNC run, it indicates that the source file/directory on the system that is sending the rsync backup has been deleted or moved before rsync got a chance to actually send it. That doesn't appear to be the case here. "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" is the destination directory on my Freebsd/ZFS server. I take a look in "/backup/ldap1/etc" on my Freebsd server and the "pki" subdirectory is no longer listed. Ok, so I run "mkdir /backup/ldap1/etc/pki" and get the following error: "mkdir: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: File exists". Odd Just to double check, I run "ls -la /backup/ldap1/etc/pki" and get the following: "ls: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory" Alright, how about a simple touch? "touch: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory" Fine. Maybe there is something funky about the "/backup/ldap1/etc" directory that is preventing me from doing any of this. "mkdir /backup/ldap1/etc/pki2". That works just fine. What the heck? Looking at the output of my daily security run, I see the following: Checking setuid files and devices: find: /backup/ldap1/etc/fonts/conf.avail: No such file or directory find: /backup/ldap1/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf: No such file or directory find: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory So, it looks like there are a few files/directories in /backup/ldap1/etc that were affected. Looking through dmesg and /var/log/messages, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. I'm running a zpool scrub now just to be on the safe side, but I haven't seen any checksum or other errors so far. Any thoughts as to what might be causing this? _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 16:31:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C6F210 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bgold@simons-rock.edu) Received: from hedwig.simons-rock.edu (hedwig.simons-rock.edu [208.81.88.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC8E8FC15 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from behemoth (behemoth.simons-rock.edu [10.30.2.44]) by hedwig.simons-rock.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5F2145 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:31:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian Gold" To: References: <06e901cdc407$c69ee650$53dcb2f0$@simons-rock.edu> <070e01cdc416$a1b60e40$e5222ac0$@simons-rock.edu> In-Reply-To: <070e01cdc416$a1b60e40$e5222ac0$@simons-rock.edu> Subject: RE: odd phantom directory Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:31:40 -0500 Message-ID: <071601cdc417$db1041a0$9130c4e0$@simons-rock.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGe32aiqUBW9hEMgxgRz6Iwjy/kQQHenkWbmDt7TMA= Content-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:31:41 -0000 Ok, really confused now. I just ran an "rm -rf /backup/ldap1", which errored out when trying to rm "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki", "/backup/ldap1/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf", and "/backup/ldap1/etc/fonts/conf.avail". Everything else got purged correctly, except for those phantom files. I then reran my rsync script, which DIDN'T error this time, shipped all the files over, and I can now read those phantom files/folders just fine. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Brian Gold Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 11:23 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: odd phantom directory It looks like this may be the same issue as reported here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2011-October/027902.html but that thread seems to have just died off about a year ago. Zfs scrub is still running, but not reported errors so far. I'm going to run a "zdb -ccv backup" once that is done. >From looking over this other thread, I tried just a simple "ls /backup/ldap1/etc" and "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" does show up if I do "ls" without any arguments. If I do an "ls -l" then it doesn't show up. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Brian Gold Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 9:37 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: odd phantom directory Hi all, I ran into a rather odd issue this morning with my FreeBSD 9.0-Release system running ZFS v28. This system serves as an RSYNC host which all of our other systems back up to each night. Last night, I started getting the following error: file has vanished: "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" Now, usually when I get a file has vanished error during an RSYNC run, it indicates that the source file/directory on the system that is sending the rsync backup has been deleted or moved before rsync got a chance to actually send it. That doesn't appear to be the case here. "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" is the destination directory on my Freebsd/ZFS server. I take a look in "/backup/ldap1/etc" on my Freebsd server and the "pki" subdirectory is no longer listed. Ok, so I run "mkdir /backup/ldap1/etc/pki" and get the following error: "mkdir: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: File exists". Odd Just to double check, I run "ls -la /backup/ldap1/etc/pki" and get the following: "ls: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory" Alright, how about a simple touch? "touch: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory" Fine. Maybe there is something funky about the "/backup/ldap1/etc" directory that is preventing me from doing any of this. "mkdir /backup/ldap1/etc/pki2". That works just fine. What the heck? Looking at the output of my daily security run, I see the following: Checking setuid files and devices: find: /backup/ldap1/etc/fonts/conf.avail: No such file or directory find: /backup/ldap1/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf: No such file or directory find: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory So, it looks like there are a few files/directories in /backup/ldap1/etc that were affected. Looking through dmesg and /var/log/messages, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. I'm running a zpool scrub now just to be on the safe side, but I haven't seen any checksum or other errors so far. Any thoughts as to what might be causing this? _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 17:49:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C6BE35 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:49:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce@greenasia1.com) Received: from mail123.elasticemail.co.uk (mail123.elasticemail.co.uk [178.33.69.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DB278FC16 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:49:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5475D8FC13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TZQbD-0001l8-8q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:25:09 +0100 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:25:07 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:25:07 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Subject: Re: odd phantom directory Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <06e901cdc407$c69ee650$53dcb2f0$@simons-rock.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:25:08 -0000 Brian Gold simons-rock.edu> writes: > > Hi all, > > I ran into a rather odd issue this morning with my FreeBSD 9.0-Release > system running ZFS v28. This system serves as an RSYNC host which all of our > other systems back up to each night. Last night, I started getting the > following error: > > file has vanished: "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" > > Now, usually when I get a file has vanished error during an RSYNC run, it > indicates that the source file/directory on the system that is sending the > rsync backup has been deleted or moved before rsync got a chance to actually > send it. That doesn't appear to be the case here. "/backup/ldap1/etc/pki" is > the destination directory on my Freebsd/ZFS server. I take a look in > "/backup/ldap1/etc" on my Freebsd server and the "pki" subdirectory is no > longer listed. > > Ok, so I run "mkdir /backup/ldap1/etc/pki" and get the following error: > "mkdir: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: File exists". Odd > > Just to double check, I run "ls -la /backup/ldap1/etc/pki" and get the > following: "ls: /backup/ldap1/etc/pki: No such file or directory" > ... There have been cases like that reported in the past. One was dated 2006: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-bugs/2006-April/018069.html I assume the backup host was on UFS. This comment seems to be interesting: "Such behavior usually caused by lost vnode reference and/or bugs in the vnode traversal code. ..." Next dated 2011: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/carsten-c-otto-de-ftpsync-freebsd-ftp-ftp-1013-rsync-ERROR-on-2011-03-04-09-23-00-td4073512.html I assume the backup host was on UFS2. There was a fix commited: "...John Baldwin commited very promising MFC yesterday, see http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/219744 ." Next dated 2011: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2011-October/027902.html The backup host was on ZFS. Yours is similar to the last one. Perhaps looking for the solution to this problem should start at top VFS layer ? The description in /usr/src/sys/sys/vnode.h is a good reference. I would suggest you file a PR# to get VFS and fs devs have a look at it. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 19:04:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 618) id B2D87B0; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: eGalax USB touch panel on ExoPC Slate vs. FreeBSD and X11 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:04:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20121116190439.B2D87B0@hub.freebsd.org> From: wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG (Bill Paul) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:04:39 -0000 Well... apparently I was able to get this to work on my own. To recap, I have an ExoPC Slate running FreeBSD 9.0 and xorg 1.7 with an eGalax USB HID touch screen. Out of the box, ums(4) claims it but doesn't like it. After investigating a bit more, I found that the screen has multiple HID collections associated with it: Collection type=Application page=Digitizer usage=Touch_Screen Collection type=Physical page=Digitizer usage=Finger Collection type=Application page=Generic_Desktop usage=Pointer Collection type=Physical page=Generic_Desktop usage=Pointer Collection type=Application page=Microsoft usage=0x0001 Collection type=Application page=Digitizer usage=Touch_Screen Collection type=Physical page=Digitizer usage=Stylus Collection type=Application page=Digitizer usage=Device_Configuration Collection type=Physical page=Digitizer usage=Finger The ums(4) driver is trying to use the 'Pointer' collection, but I think it may be getting confused by the X/Y ranges: Collection type=Application page=Generic_Desktop usage=Pointer Collection type=Physical page=Generic_Desktop usage=Pointer Input rid=1 size=1 count=1 page=Button usage=Button_1, logical range 0..1, physical range 1..2047 Input rid=1 size=1 count=1 page=Button usage=Button_2, logical range 0..1, physical range 1..2047 Input rid=1 size=16 count=1 page=Generic_Desktop usage=X, logical range 0..4095, physical range 0..4095 Input rid=1 size=16 count=1 page=Generic_Desktop usage=Y, logical range 0..4095, physical range 0..4095 End collection End collection There are two problems. First, the ranges are a little unusual. I think other mouse devices only have ranges from -127 to +127. Second, the input flags for the X and Y axis entries are 0x2 (HI_VARIABLE) and not HI_RELATIVE, which is what the usm(4) driver expects. This causes it to ignore the X and Y axis entries and only handle the button entries. I tried changing the code to accept just the HI_VARIABLE flag, but that still didn't make the cursor move. In any case, I was wrong that the problem is that the FreeBSD ums(4) driver doesn't handle gestures: it's just not flexible enough to handle this oddball pointer design. Anyway, go get it to work with X as a standard pointer device, I finally ended up doing the following: 1) Edited the uhid_probe() function in sys/dev/usb/input/uhid.c to comment out the code that excludes UIPROTO_MOUSE devices: /* * Don't attach to mouse and keyboard devices, hence then no * "nomatch" event is generated and then ums and ukbd won't * attach properly when loaded. */ if ((uaa->info.bInterfaceClass == UICLASS_HID) && (uaa->info.bInterfaceSubClass == UISUBCLASS_BOOT) && ((uaa->info.bInterfaceProtocol == UIPROTO_BOOT_KEYBOARD)/* || (uaa->info.bInterfaceProtocol == UIPROTO_MOUSE) */)) { return (ENXIO); } Note: this will make it match all mice. I could have fixed it to be more selective, but for now I just wanted things to work. 2) Recompiled the kernel with the ums(4) and uhid(4) drivers removed. 3) Edited /boot/loader.conf to load the uhid(4) module: uhid_load="YES" 4) Renamed /boot/kernel/ums.ko to something else so that the system would stop trying to automatically load it all the time. (Grrr...) 5) Installed the ports collection. 6) Downloaded the following file: http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/patch-zz-input-mouse9 6) Copied it to /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse/files 7) Recompiled and re-installed the xf86-input-mouse driver: # cd /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse # make # make deinstall # make install 8) Edited my xorg.conf to include the following: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Collection" "2" Option "Protocol" "usb" Option "Device" "/dev/uhid0" Option "Emulate3Timeout" "10" EndSection The touch panel is now detected as uhid0 instead of ums0 and the mouse input driver now handles it directly instead of going through /dev/sysmouse. Note that the '"Collection" "2"' option line is critical here. The driver defaults to using collection 1, which is the touch screen. However this doesn't provide a working pointer. Collection 2 is for the mouse emulation mode, which is not ideal, but at least it allows me to move the cursor with my finger now. Button presses are a little tricky. There are 3 possible results: 1) Quick press -- button 1 2) Press and hold for a few seconds - button 2 3) Tap, release for a second, then press and hold -- button 3 I put the complete output of usbuhidctl -r and my xorg.conf file here: http://people.freebsd.org/~wpaul/expoc Note that I'm using the VESA driver for now as the Intel driver seems to lock up when used with the Intel Pineview graphics controller in this tablet. Also note that it looks like you can use pretty much any other USB mouse this way too, just remember to remove the '"Collection" "2"' line. For example, I plugged in a Dell USB mouse which was detected as /dev/uhid2, and modified the xorg.conf file to use it, and it worked fine. Long story short, the ums(4) driver just isn't smart enough to seamlessly handle the mouse emulation mode of the eGalax touch streen correctly. Maybe some day someone will fix it. I might take a look at it again if I can figure out how it works. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (510) 749-2329 | Member of Technical Staff, wpaul@windriver.com | Master of Unix-Fu - Wind River Systems ============================================================================= "I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed." - George Carlin ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 19:10:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AE93CF for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6178FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAGJAdSM077311; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:10:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAGJAcO5077308; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:10:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:10:38 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? In-Reply-To: <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:10:39 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:10:42 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: > >>>>> ~$ gpart show ada0 >>>>> => 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) >>>>> 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) >>>>> 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / >>>>> 41943202 1048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M) swap >>>>> 42991778 8388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) /var >>>>> 51380386 4194304 5 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) /tmp >>>>> 55574690 192216088 6 freebsd-ufs (91G) /usr >>>>> 247790778 2278869 - free - (1.1G) >>>> >>>> It would not cause this problem, but those partitions are not aligned. >>>> That would only affect speed, not reliability. >>> >>> geezes, it's not even on a 4K boundary from the get-go; >>> not sure how that happened. >>> let-alone the 1M boundary I just learned about. >> >> That's a normal install. It's fine for 512-byte devices. >> I have other suggestions too, but let's save that until the problem is fixed. > > aaahhh. Vague recollections of getting this to boot up first time around. > > How about suggestions anyway, as I'm going to build an sata disk and move > things to that as part of the process to see what's wrong. May as well get > it right-ish the first time; then repartition the SSD. Okay. The disk setup article shows alignment and using GPT labels, so I'll skip those. Additional SSD suggestions: when creating partitions, leave out the swap partition. If you have lots of memory, leave out the /tmp partition. Add that extra space to the /usr partition. Format the UFS filesystems with -Ut, for soft updates and TRIM support. (Make sure your SSD supports TRIM, almost all do.) (I don't use soft updates journaling.) Use dd(1) to make a zero-filled file on /usr somewhere, say /usr/swap. Make it the size you want swap to be, and do not make it a sparse file. Tell the system to use the swapfile in /etc/rc.conf: swapfile="/usr/swap" Use tmpfs for /tmp in /etc/fstab: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 It's possible to limit the size, but not necessary. This /tmp will be cleared on reboot. Now: why? Using a swapfile through the filesystem gives three advantages: 1. Disk space is not tied up in an unused swap partition. 2. Swap can be resized without repartitioning. 3. Swap goes through the filesystem, using TRIM, helping the SSD maintain performance. /tmp as tmpfs is auto-sizing, efficient, and self-clearing on reboot. It doesn't tie up disk space in a mostly-unused partition. I use tmpfs for /usr/obj also. It doesn't improve speed, but reduces writes to SSD and is also self-clearing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 20:32:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC24B10 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:32:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noc@hdk5.net) Received: from moku60.aloha50.net (moku60.aloha50.net [66.180.132.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BFA8FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mohawk7.intra.net (unknown [66.180.149.18]) by moku60.aloha50.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051D217010; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:32:54 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <50A6A2F6.7050000@hdk5.net> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:32:54 -1000 From: Al Plant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 FreeBSD/i386 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: Advanced Format Drive ? GPT ? References: <17388.1352953630@tristatelogic.com> <50A56467.1030206@hdk5.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: noc@hdk5.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:32:58 -0000 Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Al Plant wrote: > >> I looked over the GPT sample and have a question. >> >> In the fstab entries, something that uses msdosfs, (thumb drive maybe). %%%%%%%%%%%>> >> Can you enter it directly in the fstab after the basic partitions and >> other /dev have been entered in the initial setup? > > Short answer: yes, but... > > Longer answer: most flash drives have an MBR partition setup with one > partition filling the whole device. Since it's not GPT, it won't/can't > have GPT labels on the partitions. But the GEOM system will create a > label for the MSDOS filesystem if it has been given a volume name. That > label will appear in /dev/msdosfs/ and can be used in an /etc/fstab entry. > _______________________________________________ > Thanks,, For the sage advice. %%%%%%%%%%%%% ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + < email: noc@hdk5.net > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- Lewis Carrol From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 21:18:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5098675 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:18:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104138FC12 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.197.103]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:18:13 -0800 Message-ID: <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:18:10 -0500 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> In-Reply-To: <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2012 21:18:13.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[E339EB60:01CDC43F] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:18:14 -0000 >>>> >>>> Section 23.3 of the handbook speaks about FreeBSD as a host. >>>> No where in that section does it say anything about virtualbox >>>> running from the FreeBSD host command line or from A Desktop. >>>> >>>> Do I need a Desktop for virtualbox to run under? >>> >>> NOPE !! >>> >>> VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" >>> >> Issueing VirtualBox from host command line gets this msg. >> Failed to open the x11 display >> >> VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" assumes that there a vb guest >> all ready configured which is not my case. >> > > Right! I assumed you already had the VM ready. Sorry. > > >> There is no man page for VBoxHeadless command. > > There are those: > > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/UserManual.pdf > > and > > http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ > > VBoxHeadless is covered on both. > >> How do a configure a vb guest from the host command line? >> > > VBoxManage can do all that from command line. Check it out or follow my > previous e-mail. > I read the UserManual and think I am barking up the wrong tree. So lets start over again with what the wanted desired result is. I have 9.0 installed on my 200gb hard drive, it's configured to use the first 100gb leaving the second 100gb free. I was going to install XP in the second half and have a duel boot config. Then I find out XP has to be install first on the HD meaning I have to install 9.0 from scratch again. I read a post on this list where it was suggested to run Virtualbox on my 9.0 host and then run XP as a guest. I want to boot the 9.0 host and login to the 9.0 host, start the Virtualbox XP guest and enter the XP guest [IE: be in the XP OS windows environment], can I do all that from the host command line? I do not run x11 or any desktop on my 9.0 host. I do not want to use an second PC to login to the VB XP guest over ssh. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 21:39:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657B8753 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ryallsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EEE8FC14 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so5575374iea.13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:39:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=24W0LBXIazaVJn/QTLPmtqcl/U7FI72KmfxyaV0R5Kk=; b=0Jj0HCyYRi7rxkD0SZChTqwxUGP5B5VkxcM7QAiOpyxuwX0CCCLrlUIahbMe26fdwp UsYB/3KfqeTkUKW2FJD8E2uKrxwix/N2AmQZkpXtveTG75fup+EYi2yJh6nggq1stOvJ KE/I0Yf0TVqTYnAKtIEwbA9B6oZNHtJ/jhxRenNW7DC85LrraRX0L3xrlMD4YVW+8x1A TgPPJGgxsScp062a1i4seyZ+C72FcbVl/2NwX3UbI0yToiTh5iiktiEghgHXdocMM5dl VsHUk4msM8BBP5drVHtA8lcV4Os0PIhaylZFRYT6ulpTIigs6uy1ncGWBFJw1V0DC/mk 1/tQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.0.193 with SMTP id 1mr68294igg.0.1353101985474; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.13.199 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:39:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:39:45 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host From: Derrick Ryalls To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:39:46 -0000 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > >>>>> Section 23.3 of the handbook speaks about FreeBSD as a host. >>>>> No where in that section does it say anything about virtualbox >>>>> running from the FreeBSD host command line or from A Desktop. >>>>> >>>>> Do I need a Desktop for virtualbox to run under? >>>>> >>>> >>>> NOPE !! >>>> >>>> VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" >>>> >>>> Issueing VirtualBox from host command line gets this msg. >>> Failed to open the x11 display >>> >>> VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" assumes that there a vb guest >>> all ready configured which is not my case. >>> >>> >> Right! I assumed you already had the VM ready. Sorry. >> >> >> There is no man page for VBoxHeadless command. >>> >> >> There are those: >> >> http://download.virtualbox.**org/virtualbox/UserManual.pdf >> >> and >> >> http://www.virtualbox.org/**manual/ >> >> VBoxHeadless is covered on both. >> >> How do a configure a vb guest from the host command line? >>> >>> >> VBoxManage can do all that from command line. Check it out or follow my >> previous e-mail. >> >> > I read the UserManual and think I am barking up the wrong tree. > So lets start over again with what the wanted desired result is. > I have 9.0 installed on my 200gb hard drive, it's configured to use the > first 100gb leaving the second 100gb free. I was going to install XP in > the second half and have a duel boot config. Then I find out XP has to > be install first on the HD meaning I have to install 9.0 from scratch > again. I read a post on this list where it was suggested to run > Virtualbox on my 9.0 host and then run XP as a guest. I want to boot the > 9.0 host and login to the 9.0 host, start the Virtualbox XP guest and > enter the XP guest [IE: be in the XP OS windows environment], can I do > all that from the host command line? I do not run x11 or any desktop on > my 9.0 host. I do not want to use an second PC to login to the VB XP > guest over ssh. > > > I think I am misunderstanding your ask, so I will describe what I have which sounds awfully similar. I have a headless 9.0 box with plenty of CPU cycles and HDD/RAM to spare. I have installed virtualbox on it, as well as phpVirtualBox (might have the wrong name there). Using phpVirtualBox, I can start/stop/config virtual machines on the host. So I used my Win7 box to create a virtual Win7 (or in your case WinXP) and got it all installed and setup using my laptop. Once it was configured, I copied the virtual hard drive to the fileserver, configured a new virtual machine to use that hard drive and set the network to bridged. After starting the virtual machine on my FreeBSD box I was able to remote to the virtual machine using terminal services (built into windows). The installation of virtualbox on my fileserver did install x11 components, but by using phpVirtualBox, it is all started headless. Hope this helps. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 22:05:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E34E2D for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF558FC08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 16so4098194obc.13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:05:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lC0NvUDNEvL8o1bPkxW6RidgmpBGb23At3J/ju81R5E=; b=FFiAEn9Y8JKlcMCb34IZl9QifR0nhSqsA71Gg1cPxIPANbEtoCE91QB1Qg3DMT+0qG BvxwIOgINijFwVbspvAtRjaBQoIrCsNit7QePz5QjaGNvp38y7zdGKQFaMjedkm3O8wn S44u3Tu2Qy4fKxi+KkKKDXJLHqEV8rL9a8XbKFkHt6d/XoPKTr1b+8effvBPahHRNcM3 gOu+dM8Ba3uWXrIf2dZnJpymOgzi7pFTbvg1xMXvoeJX43CcVzF8zGsBwIxhqKsfAutd zEE/Iou5t1jZllriG7hfI10kHnFHZLoXFqNnhpuVE0S4T8ywHtX6q3P2Pe+lQGyyUkgS wFdg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.226.33 with SMTP id rp1mr5046238obc.88.1353103512967; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.80.104 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:05:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:05:12 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host From: Adam Vande More To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:05:14 -0000 On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > >>>>> I read the UserManual and think I am barking up the wrong tree. > It's called the XY problem, and it's resolved by asking better questions. > So lets start over again with what the wanted desired result is. > I have 9.0 installed on my 200gb hard drive, it's configured to use the > first 100gb leaving the second 100gb free. I was going to install XP in > the second half and have a duel boot config. Then I find out XP has to > be install first on the HD meaning I have to install 9.0 from scratch > again. I read a post on this list where it was suggested to run > Virtualbox on my 9.0 host and then run XP as a guest. I want to boot the > 9.0 host and login to the 9.0 host, start the Virtualbox XP guest and > enter the XP guest [IE: be in the XP OS windows environment], can I do > all that from the host command line? Yes. Although you certainly wouldn't use the headless mode since you want a head. > I do not run x11 or any desktop on > my 9.0 host. This would be your problem. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 16 22:18:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C514FF68 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2618FC0C for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f182.google.com with SMTP id l1so649475ggn.13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:18:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HkKxfGu28wItLt/19/hE99P9GGQgjyOKaLMGezJjAjk=; b=aGk9d+suTQ5W4/dNkeqiDUu6zler6SAA8V5FdbEGUDm3tBARKGlHWu6X9gNLIxdfxQ 7GyjN2d5QSHNYhcscAVBxIY9D2IedXUS/zm9Fg1LXMCVegsQ4bEATRt3vIDT9TA3zB3O JfQ48xCfYgnPZ855L1F0Mi/yqlLPr7m+zmvEM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=HkKxfGu28wItLt/19/hE99P9GGQgjyOKaLMGezJjAjk=; b=SlFXeQsQdZXSUGQH2jILLvRgGqqtbA2jpFrHtRVw4h2XP7R4dR74Zd/t48PbppSW9F OsLTmpHPlfJaDvHAGWMS5rtmhGLPUIkR95jzbbGDokbaVMZA8yNyCaMibKRXgUHF9iGW DyjNjdYL4t7tAq4tw6yBwzo9fu7utH3YbtKfq8ZSsuVaPgTQ9+mJy4tjHKJJruN5XfHG 838m/ojMejX3tGHWi7LoQTO0LYsOASAT0A/toVXbY2YxXE9P2PnT8hvyZOl3aD+vDygJ Cdw+9afWZcTlAEdYKznVFFS3C72FnJ+U+d+kZ79L1Ni+yzms40lrIyTFQY0dWkjRUX0Q iLkw== Received: by 10.236.81.36 with SMTP id l24mr5745337yhe.93.1353104323305; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi ([177.133.109.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u22sm2757104yhl.2.2012.11.16.14.18.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:18:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:20:04 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-ID: <20121116192004.4d83dfc3@papi> In-Reply-To: <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkCVVVMT6thCO7PvIJfEyZArp5BZFPQlkpJQMn6drLPFao7I2wepCoVsgEBqP/WbSoEhgme X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:18:51 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:18:10 -0500 Fbsd8 wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Section 23.3 of the handbook speaks about FreeBSD as a host. > >>>> No where in that section does it say anything about virtualbox > >>>> running from the FreeBSD host command line or from A Desktop. > >>>> > >>>> Do I need a Desktop for virtualbox to run under? > >>> > >>> NOPE !! > >>> > >>> VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" > >>> > >> Issueing VirtualBox from host command line gets this msg. > >> Failed to open the x11 display > >> > >> VBoxHeadless -startvm "vm name" assumes that there a vb guest > >> all ready configured which is not my case. > >> > > > > Right! I assumed you already had the VM ready. Sorry. > > > > > >> There is no man page for VBoxHeadless command. > > > > There are those: > > > > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/UserManual.pdf > > > > and > > > > http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ > > > > VBoxHeadless is covered on both. > > > >> How do a configure a vb guest from the host command line? > >> > > > > VBoxManage can do all that from command line. Check it out or > > follow my previous e-mail. > > > > I read the UserManual and think I am barking up the wrong tree. > So lets start over again with what the wanted desired result is. > I have 9.0 installed on my 200gb hard drive, it's configured to use > the first 100gb leaving the second 100gb free. I was going to install > XP in the second half and have a duel boot config. Then I find out XP > has to be install first on the HD meaning I have to install 9.0 from > scratch again. I read a post on this list where it was suggested to > run Virtualbox on my 9.0 host and then run XP as a guest. I want to > boot the 9.0 host and login to the 9.0 host, start the Virtualbox XP > guest and enter the XP guest [IE: be in the XP OS windows > environment], can I do all that from the host command line? I do not > run x11 or any desktop on my 9.0 host. I do not want to use an second > PC to login to the VB XP guest over ssh. > To access the XP graphics interface, you NEED a graphics environment! I, at least, don't know of a way to access a graphics interface from a text console and you're not willing to do an RDP/VNC session from another machine. I'm sorry but you're stuck ! I can't help you any further. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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PLGB praise God Amen From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 01:47:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73529F1E for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-f182.google.com (mail-ia0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3355E8FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x2so2718451iad.13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:47:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pwXUEGWK+sm1ibrBdFqEp03VE2f/1jPc7+mt8mW9WtU=; b=qPMGipqhhgRSn1A60YHi0EYLWXq3A8rWZvbcktZeQlz7Lu+IHoRYx/ByEqiAKvIm5e 1dEjeua8DdRh734R2QZ+Z52IQlqOOvq2u6Npcs//7SNxLZgTD+245CZ5YoRzuMAdVQI8 93RSaNBRqfQrwSTa7TpWo4i47rt5SUrVAYhky/plR9TUa/9cCeAdFmE/W8GpGB1nkvBZ sZX79Hyg9d7JiJBT5ZM7K/yrFqe/HqI9zGC46RRN0jdjUZJC3BqNMLsfZXRz9QjEqnKi FjhKCQBflJLf3eqK/wT2g9/Sril6do0+AfWJ+Ou9gqtBoBy2Xq/ge85pnaiqucS/lmhg ImNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.63.4 with SMTP id a4mr5532824ici.40.1353116824474; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.30.11 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:47:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> References: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:47:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Light" word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Leslie Jensen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:47:05 -0000 On 15 November 2012 04:06, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > Hello > > I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me. > > My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little older > hardware is very long. > > Is there an alternative to writer that does not take that long to build? > > If I can get an alternative to Calc also it's a plus but not a big problem. > > The main work I do will still be done on machines that can build > LibreOffice. Now and then I need to open an attached file, maybe edit it and > send it back. It's for that purpose I need the light version. > Maybe because 20+ years ago I learnt wordstar, so if you grew up on pointin' & clickin' you'll be sorely dis- appointed, but I enjoy the jstar mode of editors/joe (or actually editors/jupp, some dif'rence, mostly). Pathetic writer, from siag isn't half bad, but you'll have to build from sources all by your lonesome, & it ain't gonna work at first. The downside is the general inability to simply open /certain proprietary formats/ which libre- & open-office have. But then I'm a fan of editing & writing with a simple editing & writing program & saving all the font & other extraneous formatting nonsense to a proper layout program (the old Aldus PageMaker was nice back in the 1990s, haha): print/scribus might be an option, except that it pulls in every accursed KDE/qt4 thing on Earth. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 02:13:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E7D642 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 02:13:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD49F8FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 02:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id qAH2Dsq5067835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:13:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.14.2/Submit) with UUCP id qAH2Dsmo067834; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:13:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from fbsd81 ([192.168.200.81]) by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA19753; Fri, 16 Nov 12 18:10:44 PST Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:10:23 -0800 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: amvandemore@gmail.com, lobo@bsd.com.br, fbsd8@a1poweruser.com Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-Id: <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 02:13:57 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > > I do not run x11 or any desktop on my 9.0 host. > > This would be your problem. How so? Surely virtualbox _should_ be able to hand off a VT to the XP guest, for it to use as a keyboard, mouse, and display. (This supposes that the FreeBSD box in question _has_ a keyboard, mouse, and display, and thus has a VT that it can hand off.) Fbsd8 wrote: > I have 9.0 installed on my 200gb hard drive, it's configured to use > the first 100gb leaving the second 100gb free. I was going to install > XP in the second half and have a duel boot config. Then I find out XP > has to be install first on the HD ... The easiest solution might be to dd the first 100gb (containing the FreeBSD installation) to the second 100gb, mark the first 100gb as unused, and install XP there if it needs to be in the lowest- addressed part of the disk. Back up the FreeBSD installation first! Mario Lobo wrote: > To access the XP graphics interface, you NEED a graphics environment! XP itself, when running directly on the hardware, provides its own graphics environment. It should be able to do the same running on a VM with a virtualized keyboard, mouse, and display. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 03:06:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AE2776 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5058FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 16so4302775obc.13 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:06:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Zedw8HUlOsm5XY+qDGjyhUQH6Dk0++ivposUdzcjSQw=; b=MYP9z28R1hhNmO+vmcV4ftU2tjkmm/rpnYq8os9kKT+aGOuLOVQW0rQG/N4Dr5EOS5 6G5j3G2MNRCtGWwm4RBDMYezHaXOb+hW146Unevud85kBpfo6pKwHZSQy4mDmfHMCA+O l8JnLa0wCUMiTS0ZmLoO25xWXjYx+lODmNl6GJ6isIyWbqiqn2BxGIlFms1hRREKKc/x jXnCAC9PmAg32LpZ+fK4UKVZENIM9baNzmfrFHHyVOD4S/VAQLfIPdmwsAcStybFdR2b z/yNdSqfS/yvewpBbhrJBXN5qDN9lK8g+Jw3n5PrSPWzzD72+DCvfvNjQqfeZ5iiNH/8 PPMg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.20.101 with SMTP id m5mr5459877oee.102.1353121563931; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.80.104 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:06:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:06:03 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host From: Adam Vande More To: perryh@pluto.rain.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: lobo@bsd.com.br, fbsd8@a1poweruser.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:06:04 -0000 On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 3:10 AM, wrote: > Adam Vande More wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > > > I do not run x11 or any desktop on my 9.0 host. > > > > This would be your problem. > > How so? Surely virtualbox _should_ be able to hand off a VT to the > XP guest, for it to use as a keyboard, mouse, and display. (This > supposes that the FreeBSD box in question _has_ a keyboard, mouse, > and display, and thus has a VT that it can hand off.) I see what you are saying but that isn't possible currently with Virtualbox. The closest piece of tech I know of the OP's request is Xen VGA passthrough. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 03:08:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A684832 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:08:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4028FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAH38m1n041538; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:08:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A6FFC0.3050902@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:08:48 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120609 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:08:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 03:08:57 -0000 On 11/16/12 12:10, Warren Block wrote: >>>>>> ~$ gpart show ada0 >>>>>> => 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) >>>>>> 34 128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) >>>>>> 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / >>>>>> 41943202 1048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M) swap >>>>>> 42991778 8388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) /var >>>>>> 51380386 4194304 5 freebsd-ufs (2.0G) /tmp >>>>>> 55574690 192216088 6 freebsd-ufs (91G) /usr >>>>>> 247790778 2278869 - free - (1.1G) >>>>> >>>>> It would not cause this problem, but those partitions are not aligned. >>>>> That would only affect speed, not reliability. >>>> >>>> geezes, it's not even on a 4K boundary from the get-go; >>>> not sure how that happened. >>>> let-alone the 1M boundary I just learned about. >>> >>> That's a normal install. It's fine for 512-byte devices. >>> I have other suggestions too, but let's save that until the problem is fixed. >> >> aaahhh. Vague recollections of getting this to boot up first time around. After upgrading the mobo bios I re-partitioned and so far so good although ports are messed up and I'll have to rebuild them. Did not implement the suggestions below as I needed to get back up and figured it would take me a while to get it right. Will do that on the new disk. >> How about suggestions anyway, as I'm going to build an sata disk and move >> things to that as part of the process to see what's wrong. May as well get >> it right-ish the first time; then repartition the SSD. > > Okay. The disk setup article shows alignment and using GPT labels, so > I'll skip those. > > Additional SSD suggestions: when creating partitions, leave out the swap > partition. If you have lots of memory, leave out the /tmp partition. Add > that extra space to the /usr partition. > > Format the UFS filesystems with -Ut, for soft updates and TRIM support. > (Make sure your SSD supports TRIM, almost all do.) (I don't use soft > updates journaling.) > > Use dd(1) to make a zero-filled file on /usr somewhere, say /usr/swap. > Make it the size you want swap to be, and do not make it a sparse file. > Tell the system to use the swapfile in /etc/rc.conf: > > swapfile="/usr/swap" > > Use tmpfs for /tmp in /etc/fstab: > > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 > > It's possible to limit the size, but not necessary. This /tmp will be > cleared on reboot. Not necessary because it is constrained by the swap file size? > Now: why? > > Using a swapfile through the filesystem gives three advantages: > > 1. Disk space is not tied up in an unused swap partition. > 2. Swap can be resized without repartitioning. > 3. Swap goes through the filesystem, using TRIM, helping the SSD > maintain performance. > > /tmp as tmpfs is auto-sizing, efficient, and self-clearing on reboot. > It doesn't tie up disk space in a mostly-unused partition. > > I use tmpfs for /usr/obj also. It doesn't improve speed, but reduces > writes to SSD and is also self-clearing. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 04:38:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3CBC99 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:38:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40FA8FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAH4c922002890; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAH4c9O1002887; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? In-Reply-To: <50A6FFC0.3050902@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> <50A6FFC0.3050902@dreamchaser.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:38:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:38:14 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 11/16/12 12:10, Warren Block wrote: > >> Additional SSD suggestions: when creating partitions, leave out the swap >> partition. If you have lots of memory, leave out the /tmp partition. Add >> that extra space to the /usr partition. >> >> Format the UFS filesystems with -Ut, for soft updates and TRIM support. >> (Make sure your SSD supports TRIM, almost all do.) (I don't use soft >> updates journaling.) >> >> Use dd(1) to make a zero-filled file on /usr somewhere, say /usr/swap. >> Make it the size you want swap to be, and do not make it a sparse file. >> Tell the system to use the swapfile in /etc/rc.conf: >> >> swapfile="/usr/swap" >> >> Use tmpfs for /tmp in /etc/fstab: >> >> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 >> >> It's possible to limit the size, but not necessary. This /tmp will be >> cleared on reboot. > > Not necessary because it is constrained by the swap file size? Yes, but also because /tmp usually doesn't need much space. On this desktop system, du shows all of /tmp is only 52K. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 04:56:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E25DDA5 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD188FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAH4uM82041818 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:56:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:56:21 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121116 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: how to correct corrupted ports tree? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:56:22 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:56:24 -0000 so, after updating bios, repartitioning, etc, things seem to be stable, modulo the following: decided to rebuild ports for peace of mind, but my basic ports tree is hosed: # portmaster -t --clean-distfiles ... "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.php.mk", line 335: Malformed conditional (${_USE_PHP_VER${PHP_VER}:Myes} != "") ... make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue ===>>> No DISTINFO_FILE in /usr/ports/lang/php4-extensions "Makefile", line 20: Could not find /usr/ports/mail/enigmail-thunderbird3/../enigmail/Makefile make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue Sure enough: # ls /usr/ports/lang/php4-extensions CVS Makefile pkg-descr I didn't see anything in the handbook about how to get the ports tree itself back to a sane condition. Do I have to blow the whole thing away and do a fresh extract? I don't see a way to force refetch of the actual ports files like "distinfo" when portsnap thinks the port is up to date. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 05:56:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406F7371 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:56:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:2:7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9B28FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:56:45 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuMEAIwmp1DLevdH/2dsb2JhbABEv0+EZoIeAQEEAThBBQsLIRMDDwkDAgECAUUTAQcBAYgDBb8bjDOBZoMnA6Y/gwKBSE8 Received: from ppp247-71.static.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([203.122.247.71]) by ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2012 16:26:44 +1030 Message-ID: <50A7251D.3040100@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:18:13 +1030 From: Shane Ambler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121030 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree? References: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:56:47 -0000 On 17/11/2012 15:26, Gary Aitken wrote: > decided to rebuild ports for peace of mind, > but my basic ports tree is hosed: > I didn't see anything in the handbook about how to get the ports tree itself > back to a sane condition. Do I have to blow the whole thing away and do a > fresh extract? I don't see a way to force refetch of the actual ports files > like "distinfo" when portsnap thinks the port is up to date. portsnap extract will always install the entire tree, if you have made any modifications they will be overwritten, but new ports folders you have added should remain, sometimes this can also cause old folders to be left behind. Worst case is to delete the existing /usr/ports and extract a clean set. Another option is partial extraction - portsnap extract lang/php5-extensions will extract just the one port portsnap extract lang/php5 will match all lang ports starting with php5 portsnap extract lang will extract all the lang ports I think that you will find your issue comes from the fact that all the php4 ports have been deleted - you seem to have some old folders left behind. Could be from extracting over an existing cvs checkout. Maybe you want a clean start. If you still have php4 installed then you should be able to use portmaster -o lang/php5-extensions lang/php4-extensions to get it to update with the new version find /usr/ports -type d -and -name "php4*" | xargs rm -R will delete any remaining php4 folders find /usr/ports -name "CVS" | xargs rm -R will remove all the cvs garbage left behind. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 06:29:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B6D5BF for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mpope@teksavvy.com) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD9B8FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:29:12 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIBAG6Zu0/O+KvQ/2dsb2JhbAANN7dtQD0WGAMCAQIBNxQNCAEBEMIDkEQDiEKacYRf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="207849226" Received: from 206-248-171-208.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO [192.168.111.111]) ([206.248.171.208]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA; 17 Nov 2012 01:28:03 -0500 Message-ID: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:28:02 -0500 From: Matthew Pope User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121028 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: confessions of a FreeBSD purist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:29:13 -0000 Dear FreeBSD community, It has been wonderful being a full-fledged member of this community, an administrator running FreeBSD on bare hardware (in his basement) for years. This is the coolest, hippiest, historically pure, and most technically advanced UNIX community on the planet (I'm one of the more long in the tooth members.) I used Dummynet about four years ago to replay bad Internet weather and prove my hypothesis of what servers caused failure in a multi-tier, forex trading system failure. This week I reformatted the last two machines in my basement running FreeBSD. I feel really guilty. I installed Ubuntu (10.04) because its GUI is great, its very well supported, and I had a heck of a time keeping my FreeBSD jails configured and stable, and I'd stopped running a web site for a while now. I installed 10.04 instead of 12.04 because on another machine I had attempted to upgrade to 12.04 LTS while running the dual boot configuration, and it trashed my MBR (a known defect.) You have been warned, etc. It also has that radically different GUI, and really annoying, an entirely different directory tree on the disk. FreeBSD contributors would never tamper so much with something that worked so well. However, I do need to run a web site again, and I am more than convinced on the superior performance, and hardening possible with FreeBSD bind, and Apache running in jails. However, I'd like to run FreeBSD in a VMWare or VirtualBox VMs. This gives me the ability to take snapshots to recover easily when I break something. Computing resources are like candy these days. My fast box has 4 screaming fast processors with 8 GB of RAM, and that is a three year old machine. There is no reason FreeBSD cannot run with adequate performance in a VM and run bind, and perhaps on another physical box, have a FreeBSD VM running Apache, both in jails. I know others are doing it. Could anyone be kind enough to recommend a free, or share their own FreeBSD VM image that has bind pre-configured in a jail, and / or an Apache web server pre-configured in a jail, for a non-commercial site? With this configuration I can revert after breaking something as an over-eager, semi-qualified system administrator. Cheers, Matthew (in Toronto) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 08:10:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72983DB0 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 08:10:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B538FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 08:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF1824CF9; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:10:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAH8AYZ1001956; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:10:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:10:34 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "illoai@gmail.com" Subject: Re: "Light" word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet Message-Id: <20121117091034.141859f7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Leslie Jensen X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 08:10:39 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:47:04 -0500, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > Maybe because 20+ years ago I learnt wordstar, so if > you grew up on pointin' & clickin' you'll be sorely dis- > appointed, but I enjoy the jstar mode of editors/joe > (or actually editors/jupp, some dif'rence, mostly). Fully agree for text _creation_ (e. g. as LaTeX sources), joe is a very productive environment if you're familiar with the WS/TP interface. > Pathetic writer, from siag isn't half bad, but you'll have > to build from sources all by your lonesome, & it ain't > gonna work at first. In this regards using already _ported_ software seems to be easier. I've spend some time here to get a "customized" version of OpenOffice (german language variant, _no_ KDE, _no_ Gnome, but sadly _yes_ CUPS even though I don't need it due to a perfectly capable PS/PCL printer). Of course, it's not as easy as "pkg_add -r de-openoffice" anymore. You could install the whole office suite _plus_ the localized dictionary (today missing, needs additional fiddling!) and it worked out of the box. "Modern" software can be different. :-) Luckily, using Abiword doesn't require that much dependencies. Only some Gtk parts ("Gnome parts") are required, but you don't get a full Gnome install "for free". > The downside is the general inability to simply open > /certain proprietary formats/ which libre- & open-office > have. That's correct - LibreOffice and OpenOffice can even open formats that their native producers can't open anymore, like memory garbage left behind by "quick safe" and data files from older "Word" versions which their "modern" successors refuse to open. As long as text is "pure text" or at least some kind of markup or macro language, simply using the preferred text editor will be _the thing_. But people often tend to make things more complicated than they are - for themselves and for others. :-) And maybe new problems arise when working "through" different ISO encodings and UTF... this is where the use of a word processor could avoid problems (if all the required _fonts_ are installed... oh, I'm just substituting one problem with another)... > But then I'm a fan of editing & writing with a simple > editing & writing program & saving all the font & other > extraneous formatting nonsense to a proper layout > program (the old Aldus PageMaker was nice back > in the 1990s, haha): print/scribus might be an option, > except that it pulls in every accursed KDE/qt4 thing > on Earth. That's a different approach that might even go into the direction of layouting or even DTP. In this case, word processors are the wrong tool. So after all, if it's just "people send me some strange 'Word' files and want be to open and maybe change it", a standalone word processor like Abiword looks like the easiest solution. I'd finally like to point to this document which might help to make people aware of _what_ they are actually doing when they're sending memory dumps around: http://en.nothingisreal.com/wiki/Please_don't_send_me_Microsoft_Word_documents Also see the links to "Word processors: stupid and inefficient" and "What has WYSIWYG done to us?" at the end of the page. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 10:02:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E62709 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9188FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527BB3CD55; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:02:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAHA23t0002253; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:02:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:02:03 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree? Message-Id: <20121117110203.38708832.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> References: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:02:10 -0000 On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:56:21 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: > I don't see a way to force refetch of the actual ports files > like "distinfo" when portsnap thinks the port is up to date. You cansolve the problem of "few per-file mismatches" by using the traditional CVS approach of updating the ports tree. Only files not matching the current (on-server) content will be updated. For example, if you can "predict" in which categories errors appear, only update those. Let's assume the problem you experience is only in the ports base directory. Create a file /etc/sup/ports.sup with the following content: *default host=cvsup.freebsd.org *default base=/var/db *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress ports-base You can use "ports-lang" to update the lang category only, or "ports-all" for the whole tree. Note that incorporating all those small deltas may take some time! An example file with all categories can be found here: /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile Then add this to /etc/make.conf: SUP_UPDATE= yes SUP= /usr/bin/csup SUPFLAGS= -L 2 SUPHOST= cvsup.freebsd.org PORTSSUPFILE= /etc/sup/ports.sup Maybe choose a near mirror for better performance. Now do this: # cd /usr/ports # make update Now according to this example, the base files for /usr/ports will be checked for changes and (being different) will be updated. Also note that this approach sometimes is more current than using portsnap. There might be deltas in the CVS ports tree already that might not be yet in the most current ports snapshot. However, this is an "old-fashioned" approach; I'm not sure for how long it will work. :-) See "man 5 make.conf" for details, as well as "man 7 ports". -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 11:52:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6691EA47 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:52:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5F28FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (tor-exit3-readme.dfri.se [171.25.193.235]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CA0D5AEB for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:52:21 +0400 (MSK) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:43:31 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: sha-1 Re: Security Incident on FreeBSD Infrastructure Message-ID: <20121117114331.GB5642@external.screwed.box> References: <201211171004.qAHA4QH4082362@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201211171004.qAHA4QH4082362@freefall.freebsd.org> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:52:33 -0000 Hello. 2012/11/17 10:04:26 +0000 FreeBSD Security Officer => To FreeBSD Security : FSO> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- FSO> Hash: SHA1 What's the state of the art about 'sha-1' digesting with freebsd security? At the least debian seemed to be migratring since 2009: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/48 "We need to be prepared for the eventual deprecation of SHA-1, but we do appear to still have time." How much serious shall this be to us? Thank you. -- Peter Vereshagin (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 12:50:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171CF934 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ateve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A3D8FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TZhrU-00057t-Jo for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:51:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TZhrJ-0006Fv-4C for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:50:53 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:50:03 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-Id: <20121117125003.bdc1f0591fd8533cd14dece8@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:50:24 -0000 On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:10:23 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > XP itself, when running directly on the hardware, provides its own > graphics environment. It should be able to do the same running on > a VM with a virtualized keyboard, mouse, and display. Yes, but the virtualised display talks to X as the display backend. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 13:35:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2ECB13F for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:35:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D398FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gh0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z15so229671ghb.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:35:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R7+tyaZZ8TFAXsjOTGbw8HzNzJgXzz6IZSXLqIeA1UM=; b=Z8o37kJ5hON73U3ma78ROkWfeIyhTbY3BseSt1OWFY8bu2KAEF0HAGkIHqNYbm3alZ e44bAQ1q/J9WDOmETFwg1zEcwT+aO6nMIJ0hX8qRFGVLkR5UIx7d5KRbp98h+VUSg9jq nBS1rOJMz1VdBkGmBf5s2kDvSN0eO2CPuqOpk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=R7+tyaZZ8TFAXsjOTGbw8HzNzJgXzz6IZSXLqIeA1UM=; b=nOc9hyj6f1j0DVkB3gZWL6XvxK3AlviCIC3w/IACvpw3U0t8QdL7SPbWtyCSqKY05r WoAQ940CJA+ILCPXf28j3vt0c0NkuwCd6sQtebY/+mwsxIRCc2ZKCZKy6zrfB3QI8Fsm PG4dXX72fqfRfCxyf9w/mdlFhfVFz+zgyM+iiXDW6LUD/ytRE075GnDN7RHnN6U8IUJc RL+lIBj8GBG71mukqRP8GHQyztmW/0OfIiA6zSsZtFZnL5zxZbfajMTqXsillALuFdNb /MNo+pLXt49MVpXCXxOQGhqJMjEyI5p/CXC8gXg7kkQyow22rYbW5cNkmrD7LzIw8P6a PF8Q== Received: by 10.236.89.107 with SMTP id b71mr7016192yhf.86.1353159347060; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from papi ([177.133.109.232]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm3897480anj.3.2012.11.17.05.35.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:35:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:37:08 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: perryh@pluto.rain.com, fbsd8@a1poweruser.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: virtualbox with FreeBSD as host Message-ID: <20121117103708.1cb34db4@papi> In-Reply-To: <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <50A65471.7050706@a1poweruser.com> <20121116121408.71d86341@papi> <50A65F76.2060009@a1poweruser.com> <20121116130302.37a87580@papi> <50A6AD92.2000904@a1poweruser.com> <50a7547f.pE0dkKlRM7DyQvw3%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmrZy3CODAenCS+3hYZ1rkpgPMfUpI8rFNyHahLcvpBcXqubcr2yhCSplphPen41Y4hiOW3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:35:49 -0000 On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:10:23 -0800 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Adam Vande More wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Fbsd8 > > wrote: > > > I do not run x11 or any desktop on my 9.0 host. > > > > This would be your problem. > > How so? Surely virtualbox _should_ be able to hand off a VT to the > XP guest, for it to use as a keyboard, mouse, and display. (This > supposes that the FreeBSD box in question _has_ a keyboard, mouse, > and display, and thus has a VT that it can hand off.) > > Fbsd8 wrote: > > I have 9.0 installed on my 200gb hard drive, it's configured to use > > the first 100gb leaving the second 100gb free. I was going to > > install XP in the second half and have a duel boot config. Then I > > find out XP has to be install first on the HD ... > > The easiest solution might be to dd the first 100gb (containing > the FreeBSD installation) to the second 100gb, mark the first 100gb > as unused, and install XP there if it needs to be in the lowest- > addressed part of the disk. Back up the FreeBSD installation first! > > Mario Lobo wrote: > > To access the XP graphics interface, you NEED a graphics > > environment! > > XP itself, when running directly on the hardware, provides its own > graphics environment. It also does that when running on a VM but it does not provide a graphics environment for the host. > It should be able to do the same running on > a VM with a virtualized keyboard, mouse, and display. To show a window you need a display that can show it, be it head or headless. To diaplay a head, be it local or remote, the display must be able to handle graphics to properly show the VM screen (head), and like I said, I have no idea on how to do that on a text console screen. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 14:07:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3898B638 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from icp-osb-irony-out5.external.iinet.net.au (icp-osb-irony-out5.external.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC098FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:07:07 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiwFAIeZp1A6Br5i/2dsb2JhbABFhTe9d4EIgh4BAQQBOj8FCwsNATgUGDETiAcFvn+QYGEDlXuFWTWKNoMD X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.83,270,1352044800"; d="scan'208";a="60639778" Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.phoenix) ([58.6.190.98]) by icp-osb-irony-out5.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2012 22:07:06 +0800 Received: by smtp.phoenix (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C1C31DAC; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:07:05 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:07:05 +1100 From: andrew clarke To: Matthew Pope Subject: Re: confessions of a FreeBSD purist Message-ID: <20121117140705.GA12313@ozzmosis.com> References: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:07:09 -0000 On Sat 2012-11-17 01:28:02 UTC-0500, Matthew Pope (mpope@teksavvy.com) wrote: > Could anyone be kind enough to recommend a free, or share their own > FreeBSD VM image that has bind pre-configured in a jail, and / or an > Apache web server pre-configured in a jail, for a non-commercial site? I'd be very hesitant to use a VM image provided by an untrusted third party. Is there a reason you don't want to build your own? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 15:45:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF127F8 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D61B8FC15 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TZkaW-0007iI-Ud for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:45:44 +0100 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:45:44 +0100 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:45:44 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Subject: Security advisory FreeBSD - intrusion incident Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 3 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:45:39 -0000 http://www.freebsd.org/ jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 15:51:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF4998F for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-ia0-f182.google.com (mail-ia0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6211C8FC15 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x2so3070919iad.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:51:11 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=W0wseHJTRbfAIqs8JWOip6I4Z67nrIIuerjpEKVD0+Y=; b=VvRtUs1eSi30ZWrBlhyj2wQVLSh0cwdkzq2BBBMMK6MY/nYOXaHhm2AXAK5DBDmXh8 cAhl+AeXlXqk8tvZ1rcLfGiZo4oi2EA2h7zrCapzqd4vc+DV1EYdzKiX+zK5Id5aJUFX eVJenIK5ZbniC4+hgAkXvl4s3nYe3snHTu5i6LJkHTwLAa9jR790QIE1Tz8HCDfLnd9p GvMEZUgs8oU8UCOwGttnJTd+jWOgmv+dP+0WMxwMzXsFq3MRAUnui3nPmYAI4flDCTY2 HnUfT7O559c3r7Oruhqfwon7JGL3/aNAAnaV9Ns3SqhFZw1Nw+KdV2DdZhrEK8QH6Fyv t2dA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.68.68 with SMTP id w4mr6928643ici.30.1353167471862; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.49.67 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:51:11 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.177.149] In-Reply-To: <20121117110203.38708832.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <50A718F5.8040806@dreamchaser.org> <20121117110203.38708832.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:51:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how to correct corrupted ports tree? From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkcfe0rE7+fYlFoqdKb5kLiCCD5sO0yk0FLSXOvckdWKuoKTpAEH/wgAjM3egwiOYX3R+n+ Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:51:12 -0000 On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:56:21 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: >> I don't see a way to force refetch of the actual ports files >> like "distinfo" when portsnap thinks the port is up to date. > > You cansolve the problem of "few per-file mismatches" by > using the traditional CVS approach of updating the ports > tree. Only files not matching the current (on-server) content > will be updated. CVSup/csup is deprecated now and shouldn't be used anymore: http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html We should stop advertizing it as a way to update the ports tree. svn or portsnap is the way to go now. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 17:26:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82915823 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snow.mountains.4@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F648FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id wz12so2747427pbc.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:26:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vrQ1Pww5BpfI26YQAt6YAzYlDU3V6lBznPqpG5znQkg=; b=a5znvqA9ApKkfdA6KLdu5M427x5A7d2WhlPGkgkjf86Ilmp7+Eg6Hsj7eX9X+Lnmhb Wp/ohrlWmudyegUK/4yE6fBQ5OiVsPLnMQDBNufsNlWumcE0eklrQDgocAKpZNMb4chu a4yY06nJRud09ccE/yYogp06Y1itUpM/ZaWbtytlRE5Ez6MweidZRm5HuVxUENWTzoxd iNp6lG71BKuxpdt64j8lT+BZRXfElYFy69QKh3IEsARG5JOL3N5G2iKUspLm0TpL17qz TZxuLP3JobuAZpoo0c0mlTv8mxBY3w4eQjXr8l4TPbWbHrxrcrgnxvcYyXAZyRrpKKru sQFw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.84.131 with SMTP id z3mr22849542pay.34.1353173170049; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.20.197 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 09:26:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:26:10 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C From: Snow Mountains To: freebsd questions list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:26:10 -0000 Hello, I'm about to upgrade hardware on my desktop and to install FreeBSD 9 on it. I have ASUS P5KPL-C and want to buy a SSD or SATA-III 6Gb/s drive for it. Please advise me: * does it make sense to buy SSD drive for a mb that supports 4x SATA 3Gb/s (of couse, expecting a possible future mb upgrade)? * if SSD is capable of working at greater speed, will it simply operate on maximum 3Gb/s on P5KPL-C? * the same question for SATA-III 6Gb/s. Will it simply operate on 3Gb on my mb? * How will FreeBSD 9 behave in such situations? Any special tweaking needed? Thank you very much for your explanations, Sergi M. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 17:31:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA72A66 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0708FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TZmEe-00041Z-Sf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:31:16 +0100 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:31:16 +0100 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:31:16 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: "Light" word processor plus the occasional spreadsheet Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <50A4B0B0.2020009@eskk.nu> <20121115101235.4fccc098.freebsd@edvax.de> <50A4B371.8000004@eskk.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.135 (Tomorrow I'll Wake Up and Scald Myself with Tea; GIT 30dc37b master) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:31:09 -0000 On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:18:41 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: > Polytropon skrev 2012-11-15 10:12: >> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:06:56 +0100, Leslie Jensen wrote: >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> I mainly use LibreOffice and it works for me. >>> >>> My problem now is that the build time for LibreOffice on a little >>> older hardware is very long. >> >> Why not use the binary install method (pkg_add -r)? The default options >> should work fine. > > Maybe I'll try that. I never got into packages, I always ended up > compiling dependencies anyway so I dropped it ;-) I'm compiling ports once, on my main box, then using pkgng to build binary packages ('pkg create'). These packages are on an NFS share, which the other machines use with 'pkg add '. As an example, libreoffice-3.5.7.txz installed (with 28 not-already-installed dependencies pulled in automatically from the same directory) in *56 seconds*. The main box has 3GB RAM, the second has 1MB. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 17:44:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE934107 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [IPv6:2001:470:1d:8da::100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30BA8FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:3fa::1]) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3Y3kGd4k9Jz1DSp for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from BigBloat (bigbloat.24cl.home [10.20.1.4]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9129130C2 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:44:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <201211171244480587.00C7F3F3@sentry.24cl.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:44:48 -0500 From: "Mike." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: packge options Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:44:59 -0000 How do I find out what options were used when the pre-built packages were built? For example, say I want to install the Postfix package, how can I find out if TLS support is included in the package? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 18:59:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2524D8F6 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:59:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC71D8FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so6612020iea.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:59:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bO+6hl3JjR+gd2nzSTdUY/D0tTGouJWr9G5UBnZKWIY=; b=ACAj6AvZ66GXYqpFONz3NzNQYCYzCSp5AkJ6tLM+3JFqhw9PL0qdvMckj/JGZkb+83 5Ym9sHIzoTPVLpcr8pfQmp4D2CEOAZrmAOLaxgf1z5p80Tks/Yk9u9RILdkvaFfLKJSN XR1itmSIymA4s1ef8Fv4qRyG8Kjuqr4+xSbWK997d3ZB/P1Lv+/vnV6IySomRtJe/fFh CX9yOd0w8ePgq+oclvZDN0TueOQgDS8OYdEAwXBWXt4i3r2GWFrBx1eYyqw77R+OxsUz GmOMqsFqdlal4ABkEl5Ipp07GdKJlQU1WP675sewPYHsh1NoLTYY1vh7ZX9Chdw4MWdy eDVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.182.230 with SMTP id eh6mr2485176igc.39.1353178774536; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.30.11 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:59:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201211171244480587.00C7F3F3@sentry.24cl.com> References: <201211171244480587.00C7F3F3@sentry.24cl.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: packge options From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Mike." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 18:59:35 -0000 On 17 November 2012 12:44, Mike. wrote: > > How do I find out what options were used when the pre-built packages > were built? > > For example, say I want to install the Postfix package, how can I find > out if TLS support is included in the package? > For instance: http://www.freshports.org/mail/postfix/ includes a list of options & their defaults, which is what I'd assume pre-built packages are using, with the caveat that these may have changed since the package was built last. Generally, though, they add a number after an underscore to indicate changes in libraries or functionality. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 19:08:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA810A58 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6748FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k10so6618908iea.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:08:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fyC8rN3FPXeR8Ei8QGvb7qGof8UzRcewe2DDMgQg7Hk=; b=IKqFuXAVRn1qb9TxQZeDFBAFJrbBn74atSL8T8p4IzLqAy6Oqf4i6yR1StsnDLeW1M f6UeIZhOHjlSHzFJyjP3pRMnbwYW+KjYZwvgB0r77LVygPnrguiKNVOoU03hiyOBNUyX GIyJkyT3oXdfTxNmdXy1Wi1gAgiVVogrbxnClEskoFl8iy3xuPsofptzXoSUeMqnuIP+ zz7UJiE8krFcYHH0ODGlFMVVCyLiJI4qDjuzkEUY7JwlGcJzzuGp7DZIQFaZ1+fJxJmp TS80rF3Yg9oMXtgK6MmTs1+1Pgk3vvBx2QazI0QqEVP2Nac011slupNY0Efn38EK9nY4 ZdoA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.1.200 with SMTP id 8mr2517202igo.51.1353179307214; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.30.11 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:08:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:08:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: Snow Mountains Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd questions list X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:08:28 -0000 On 17 November 2012 12:26, Snow Mountains wrote: > Hello, > > I'm about to upgrade hardware on my desktop and to install FreeBSD 9 > on it. I have ASUS P5KPL-C and want to buy a SSD or SATA-III 6Gb/s > drive for it. > > Please advise me: > > * does it make sense to buy SSD drive for a mb that supports 4x SATA > 3Gb/s (of couse, expecting a possible future mb upgrade)? > If you want SSD, by all means. For me the price/benefit ration is definitely not there. For you, perhaps different. > * if SSD is capable of working at greater speed, will it simply > operate on maximum 3Gb/s on P5KPL-C? > Yes, it will simply use the slower speed of the controller. > * the same question for SATA-III 6Gb/s. Will it simply operate on 3Gb on my mb? > Yes. > * How will FreeBSD 9 behave in such situations? Any special tweaking needed? > I wouldn't expect any special behaviour, though you need to take care with block alignment. Perhaps in the future FreeBSD will have a blocksize/erase-blocksize aware formatting & partitioning tool(s), but at the moment, you need to make sure those are correctly aligned if you want good performance from 4k blocksize drives (& SSDs will probably still need to be aligned to whatever the erase block size is). Good luck. -- -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 19:51:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7A02FD for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:51:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterich.joh@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC1F8FC16 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k19so3124850qcs.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:51:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2Tr8LN//f8shmJ+OdTmTjTB2OqKtzX7dsS/Gv/2BXbo=; b=PffpsNBNgabPXtln3CPkLX6vR5GMhKCSiX1lNt+YNzDE3NcchiEn7cqx2+JUady11F 7tJR2P88Oqzdl2h69VewAS3XTaP/DeggMpunQTA7RxRvhoL/XXvvCIg4fSTSrgIWNyQ4 Ki1IA8/k5Jr6mDHDT3INM0TKzIoK+5uJ3rrzCc6o5sxcJroIDOEgSMbAqeTxwP+bGWiR UVxL58idkTLe5hSb6KN1Fbe5J7AaHgWz+zwolPmkm1Mbwi17yAbiWAieqVO0SCR6rbxa /OFMmbBO8MT9triNhcYOffElxjWS0mG4JdhUiHFL/JMx6dkDogEb5OCdmOWRbnnH5Ony 3JxA== Received: by 10.224.194.134 with SMTP id dy6mr7837067qab.81.1353181871385; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-173-72-34-218.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net. [173.72.34.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jt10sm2850326qeb.4.2012.11.17.11.51.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:51:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50A868F4.6000404@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 23:49:56 -0500 From: Johannes Dieterich User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121117 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: zio_trim counter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:51:13 -0000 Please CC me as I am not subscribed. Hello, I installed CURRENT on a new Thinkpad equipped with a Samsung 830 SSD: ada0 at ahcich0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 ada0: ATA-9 SATA 3.x device ada0: 600.000MB/s transfers (SATA 3.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) ada0: Command Queueing enabled ada0: 122104MB (250069680 512 byte sectors: 1H 63S/T 16383C) ada0: Previously was known as ad4 as the setup is ZFS+GELI based (on ada0), I enabled ZFS TRIM support in loader.conf. Interestingly, I encounter an IMHO strange behavior with the stats on that: kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.zio_trim_bytes: 755712 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.zio_trim_success: 97 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.zio_trim_unsupported: 7891 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.zio_trim_failed: 0 It seems unintuitive to me why the unsupported counter first increases (seems to stay constant after that each boot) and then slowly the success counter increases a well. Probably there is a trivial explanation and/or fix for this that anyone is willing to share? If you need further information, let me know. Thanks a lot Johannes From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 20:00:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB04F78D; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:00:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601468FC18; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 16so4790120obc.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:00:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=eEZebhEa120cHs09zQV+wxTjYj+r9MyZMv6nxLZhZjo=; b=kNicltchmN65YQ4qJmaUOz6v+etBw+e0sRV2evlJFaljKUDqvpJ6H6tnV13jGzCLUG kNn63zV/HCsrJ3n0DZwiSAkySFJBJSkzi/o//VeQSczturmG2yXWE8EKhVOSqDAhegXz FJhK8FMODiVEFWwOZhfUTrfBuQwVfyCTHXC2I/0wVADAawIzOmZPjbZlftfDUxtwGGeC MK+O6ZUBpHhehAhXk6KHpTxnungYeS9VRP5fawQts1bYJU1rIy1KnRWRffTfgrCtr8rz BJLeD319zojEStRmK73prxv9w/NDHp+HOrSE99xiRVq5l+a9zDfprJKBvs2NS9sA3GOM 83Xg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.2.103 with SMTP id 7mr7104777oet.79.1353182406751; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.68.39 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:00:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:00:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] From: grarpamp To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:00:12 -0000 http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/11/17/143219/freebsd-project-discloses-security-breach-via-stolen-ssh-key This is not about this incident, but about why major opensource projects need to be using a repository that has traceable, verifiable, built-in cryptographic authentication. Any of hundreds of committer and admin accounts could be compromised with the attacker silently editing the repo. The same applies to any of those accounts going rogue. Backtrack diffing from a breach to 'see what changed' is not the ideal option. You really need to be using a strong repo so that any attack on it is null from the start. Another problem is bit rot wherever it may occur... disk, hardware, the wire, EMP and other systems. As it is now, we have no way to verify that what we get on pressed CD's, ISO's, FTP sites, torrents, etc is strongly linked back to the original repo. Signing over a hash of the ISO is *not* the same as including the strong repo hash (commit) that was used to build the release and then signing over that and the ISO. We can't know that our local repository updates match the master. ports.tar.gz has no authentication either. Nor does anything in the entire project that originates from the current SVN/CVS repo... webpages, docs, tools, source tarballs, etc. The FTP packages aren't signed, and there are weak MD5's used in various parts of the install/package tools, mirrors, etc. We can't trade hashes amongst people. It's all just a bunch of random bits that someone may or may not have signed over. And even if signed they still wouldn't be strongly linked back to the master repo. Having such a disconnect at the root of everything you do is simply not good practice these days. And these days, Git is what people and projects are moving to, and its rate of adoption and prevalence have essentially won out over all the rest in the new 'revision control 2.0 world'. And knowing Git is now more or less essential if you want to participate in a wide variety of community development, ref: github, etc. The FreeBSD project needs to be providing both itself, and its users and benefactors with verifiable assurance that its repository, and any copies and derived products, are authentic and intact. Don't argue against such a repository feature, or the cost to move, or bury your head in the sand by saying it could never happen to us... Take this as a real opportunity to lead amongst the major opensource projects like Linux, and among the BSD's (like DragonFly has), and move to Git. Once the root is fixed, you can push out secure distribution and update models from there. It all starts at the root and can't be done without it. https://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-fsck.html Verifies the connectivity and validity of the objects in the database http://git-scm.com/about/info-assurance The data model that Git uses ensures the cryptographic integrity of every bit of your project. Every file and commit is checksummed and retrieved by its checksum when checked back out. It's impossible to get anything out of Git other than the exact bits you put in. It is also impossible to change any file, date, commit message, or any other data in a Git repository without changing the IDs of everything after it. This means that if you have a commit ID, you can be assured not only that your project is exactly the same as when it was committed, but that nothing in its history was changed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software) The Git history is stored in such a way that the id of a particular revision (a "commit" in Git terms) depends upon the complete development history leading up to that commit. Once it is published, it is not possible to change the old versions without it being noticed. The structure is similar to a hash tree, but with additional data at the nodes as well as the leaves. Some references... http://git-scm.com/ https://github.com/ http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 20:07:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269E2F08 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:07:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42778FC14 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAHK7teu044487; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:07:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A7EE9B.4070003@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:07:55 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121116 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> <50A6FFC0.3050902@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:07:55 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:07:57 -0000 On 11/16/12 21:38, Warren Block wrote: > On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> On 11/16/12 12:10, Warren Block wrote: >> >>> Additional SSD suggestions: when creating partitions, leave out the swap >>> partition. If you have lots of memory, leave out the /tmp partition. Add >>> that extra space to the /usr partition. >>> >>> Format the UFS filesystems with -Ut, for soft updates and TRIM support. >>> (Make sure your SSD supports TRIM, almost all do.) (I don't use soft >>> updates journaling.) >>> >>> Use dd(1) to make a zero-filled file on /usr somewhere, say /usr/swap. >>> Make it the size you want swap to be, and do not make it a sparse file. >>> Tell the system to use the swapfile in /etc/rc.conf: >>> >>> swapfile="/usr/swap" >>> >>> Use tmpfs for /tmp in /etc/fstab: >>> >>> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 When using the above in /etc/fstab to establish a tmp file, how does the size of /tmp get established? Is it limited only by the available swap, or is it possible to put an upper bound on it that is smaller than swap? e.g. if I built it manually: mdconfig -a -t swap -s 1g -u 1 newfs -U /dev/md1 mount /dev/md1 /tmp chmod 1777 /tmp wouldn't it be limited to 1g of swap space? Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 20:19:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDF077C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from snow.mountains.4@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6878FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id kp6so2714096pab.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:19:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=E0NUJCdGt9P6xqhwBeYVvoyRiyi+rTyzQkdZ2emGJUs=; b=psz2mXLhPBYK8Xeat4TQNi8R9C0+h0/iXVoJMtwXJ6An2sGUeLGCZpvQ1alZtSm+4p U9Cce3o/0aNex0Jlv0IGfnXzkvWugou3JmcdRD+PiKV2ukCTvVdgvS7+UcN2oSu3YzQA aNqxbLBZzoD8O/+d4e8RY2gD5q5buycV2Yos5SFwgxWRI03Onec3sY4w4Qh/Jj5ltd9i h9CMSofLhloDeR+P0PgzyA4nZmNQEmKiSSx3IAbaChumMNHuaeLHsGiTqecit7vLJ78I 3Wygw7o8Q3eWtMNBGhcQUQkYmZvAFQ5fSGsaAoHKMEVyd0/XFJstA0UCh4NAhyJL3Gzw KXVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.253.230 with SMTP id ad6mr21055300pbd.84.1353183594824; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.20.197 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:19:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 00:19:54 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD on SSD on ASUS P5KPL-C From: Snow Mountains To: "illoai@gmail.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd questions list X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:19:55 -0000 2012/11/17 illoai@gmail.com : > On 17 November 2012 12:26, Snow Mountains wrote: >> * How will FreeBSD 9 behave in such situations? Any special tweaking needed? > > I wouldn't expect any special behaviour, though you need to take care > with block alignment. Perhaps in the future FreeBSD will have a > blocksize/erase-blocksize aware formatting & partitioning tool(s), > but at the moment, you need to make sure those are correctly > aligned if you want good performance from 4k blocksize drives > (& SSDs will probably still need to be aligned to whatever the > erase block size is). illoai, thank you for the answer! I'll certainly go with SSD in that case. Could you recommend a reliable document on how to do a correct block alignment for new FreeBSD 9 install? FreeBSD Handbook doesn't mention this at all, although I can find a lot of (not quite consistent) advises on the net on how to do it with gpart/newfs. Sergi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 20:36:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11660325 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F7A8FC0C for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAHKaDCx044565 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:36:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A7F53D.7070408@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:36:13 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121116 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: wine-fbsd64 -- no longer in ports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:36:13 -0700 (MST) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:36:15 -0000 Looking to update wine-fbsd64: # portmaster -n emulators/wine-fbsd64 ===>>> No /usr/ports/emulators/wine-fbsd64 exists, and no information ===>>> about emulators/wine-fbsd64 can be found in /usr/ports/MOVED hints? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 20:42:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7EAD5A4; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:42:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm2.ukr.net (fsm2.ukr.net [195.214.192.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F188FC14; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:42:14 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=KkVc4Kfh0xFnqQkT+o5OWwY4+X3OcSmK7ZyH2sXT6s0=; b=Ye1wH+yTCZdZfb3s8jgwrkOGF/I+hXNiD2eA1IiusepDJ9zqGUKVnR5njMVhKSggARZ8mLbUrnc03mIPVeJW5JmJ46NxCYgzGfem1a/XGLoS4mQNHM8SO7G+Igzsir2C9A8SE+iZnhJ+mwuMFmaOxB7QlO/ss4/fCEPsJl4CSzI=; Received: from [178.137.138.140] (helo=nonamehost) by fsm2.ukr.net with esmtpsa ID 1TZojz-000FQR-Sl ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:11:48 +0200 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:11:43 +0200 From: Ivan Klymenko To: grarpamp Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs Git to ensure repo integrity [was: 2012 incident] Message-ID: <20121117221143.41c29ba2@nonamehost> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:42:15 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:00:06 -0500 grarpamp =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > http://www.freebsd.org/news/2012-compromise.html > http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/11/17/143219/freebsd-project-discloses-se= curity-breach-via-stolen-ssh-key >=20 > This is not about this incident, but about why major opensource > projects need to be using a repository that has traceable, verifiable, > built-in cryptographic authentication. >=20 > Any of hundreds of committer and admin accounts could be compromised > with the attacker silently editing the repo. The same applies to > any of those accounts going rogue. Backtrack diffing from a breach > to 'see what changed' is not the ideal option. You really need to > be using a strong repo so that any attack on it is null from the > start. Another problem is bit rot wherever it may occur... disk, > hardware, the wire, EMP and other systems. >=20 > As it is now, we have no way to verify that what we get on pressed > CD's, ISO's, FTP sites, torrents, etc is strongly linked back to > the original repo. Signing over a hash of the ISO is *not* the same > as including the strong repo hash (commit) that was used to build > the release and then signing over that and the ISO. We can't know > that our local repository updates match the master. ports.tar.gz > has no authentication either. Nor does anything in the entire project > that originates from the current SVN/CVS repo... webpages, docs, > tools, source tarballs, etc. The FTP packages aren't signed, and > there are weak MD5's used in various parts of the install/package > tools, mirrors, etc. We can't trade hashes amongst people. It's all > just a bunch of random bits that someone may or may not have signed > over. And even if signed they still wouldn't be strongly linked > back to the master repo. Having such a disconnect at the root of > everything you do is simply not good practice these days. >=20 > And these days, Git is what people and projects are moving to, and > its rate of adoption and prevalence have essentially won out over > all the rest in the new 'revision control 2.0 world'. And knowing > Git is now more or less essential if you want to participate in a > wide variety of community development, ref: github, etc. >=20 > The FreeBSD project needs to be providing both itself, and its users > and benefactors with verifiable assurance that its repository, and > any copies and derived products, are authentic and intact. >=20 > Don't argue against such a repository feature, or the cost to move, > or bury your head in the sand by saying it could never happen to us... >=20 > Take this as a real opportunity to lead amongst the major opensource > projects like Linux, and among the BSD's (like DragonFly has), and > move to Git. >=20 > Once the root is fixed, you can push out secure distribution and > update models from there. It all starts at the root and can't be > done without it. >=20 > https://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-fsck.html > Verifies the connectivity and validity of the objects in the database >=20 > http://git-scm.com/about/info-assurance > The data model that Git uses ensures the cryptographic integrity > of every bit of your project. Every file and commit is checksummed > and retrieved by its checksum when checked back out. It's impossible > to get anything out of Git other than the exact bits you put in. > It is also impossible to change any file, date, commit message, > or any other data in a Git repository without changing the IDs of > everything after it. This means that if you have a commit ID, you > can be assured not only that your project is exactly the same as > when it was committed, but that nothing in its history was changed. >=20 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software) > The Git history is stored in such a way that the id of a particular > revision (a "commit" in Git terms) depends upon the complete > development history leading up to that commit. Once it is published, > it is not possible to change the old versions without it being > noticed. The structure is similar to a hash tree, but with additional > data at the nodes as well as the leaves. >=20 > Some references... > http://git-scm.com/ > https://github.com/ > http://gitweb.dragonflybsd.org/dragonfly.git > https://git.kernel.org/?p=3Dlinux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git LOL And how will this help Linux? http://lwn.net/Articles/457142/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 21:08:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21320151 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD17E8FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qAHL8GAf009556; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id qAHL8FYf009553; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:08:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:08:15 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? In-Reply-To: <50A7EE9B.4070003@dreamchaser.org> Message-ID: References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> <50A6FFC0.3050902@dreamchaser.org> <50A7EE9B.4070003@dreamchaser.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:08:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:08:25 -0000 On Sat, 17 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 11/16/12 21:38, Warren Block wrote: >> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: >> >>> On 11/16/12 12:10, Warren Block wrote: >>> >>>> Additional SSD suggestions: when creating partitions, leave out the swap >>>> partition. If you have lots of memory, leave out the /tmp partition. Add >>>> that extra space to the /usr partition. >>>> >>>> Format the UFS filesystems with -Ut, for soft updates and TRIM support. >>>> (Make sure your SSD supports TRIM, almost all do.) (I don't use soft >>>> updates journaling.) >>>> >>>> Use dd(1) to make a zero-filled file on /usr somewhere, say /usr/swap. >>>> Make it the size you want swap to be, and do not make it a sparse file. >>>> Tell the system to use the swapfile in /etc/rc.conf: >>>> >>>> swapfile="/usr/swap" >>>> >>>> Use tmpfs for /tmp in /etc/fstab: >>>> >>>> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 > > When using the above in /etc/fstab to establish a tmp file, > how does the size of /tmp get established? > Is it limited only by the available swap, > or is it possible to put an upper bound on it that is smaller than swap? It's free VM, which should be available RAM plus available swap. Yes, you can easily limit the maximum size: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777,size=1073741824 0 0 Untested, but I think that's correct. There was a nice Sun white paper by Peter Snyder on tmpfs. It's linked on the Wikipedia tmpfs page, but Oracle has broken the link. Google has a rendered version of a PostScript copy (long URL): http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EXMeqvhFfrsJ:www.sun3arc.org/papers/OS/tmpfs_virtual_memory_filesystem.ps.gz+tmpfs+white+paper&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 21:25:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7A05DE for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:25:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander.kapshuk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8438FC12 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j13so3602716lah.13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jap0H9m6z30Hycy6e30EghnDBOyDE8HQrC/DZGKmf5E=; b=E2ijq6TgzpPU8qQTIB9LvgUYgZTNfKVOMckVrTp1gAX6zPl5yDQAm6Iqae0MwfFskU /XFCSPYQcZiTr40DvrSZ/Zydxl77bOeYgR+8eUKcm6e1NQUUSZVEBTXQlwRFCsjQi+Oo 0qcy5fOwaTxsLiaVce5BinUhz95urDpQASFDs8+ALuO4YfhG6aPGfbsFfY8uiQd4a7WJ d1HJ6+je/UyLslDLNB0YjXwzbqmpIb6TbhO6VueHWzVH3PViFvoJW/zVEo5vKNdw9M4S Iw9KdH2JDwzWuoM9zhuJbq4EZou8/nI6ZSL+RftSXjxi5pKKrTfO6EPIeWVd+OD1EnvY E0mA== Received: by 10.112.39.74 with SMTP id n10mr3460181lbk.56.1353187513737; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (78-25-13-129.static.vega-ua.net. [78.25.13.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y10sm1971385lbg.4.2012.11.17.13.25.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50A800B7.7080809@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 23:25:11 +0200 From: Alexander Kapshuk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20121027 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: ports: deinstall-all References: <50A16467.6090406@dreamchaser.org> <50A1F06F.7080602@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <50A1F06F.7080602@bananmonarki.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Bernt Hansson X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:25:15 -0000 On 11/13/2012 09:02 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > If you really want to remove all installed ports you can do as I do > > pkg_delete -f \* Perhaps not an ideal solution, but rather an alternative one, which works in bourn-derived shells: # for p in `pkg_info -ao | grep '.*/.*' | sed 's;.*;/usr/ports/&;'` { cd $p && make deinstall } From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 21:57:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5773D35 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [173.14.229.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772508FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegir.dabus.com (Processor) with ESMTP id AD5D65F322 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:51:21 -0700 (MST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; b=rHdcO5LsmC/Oa6Dmk3CBaAV67BQdJ3640YC6TWg+0s8h14eymWnoeduKc9VKsf+5WCqasVYo3evrylEnSjyS7wY9UyfVnxDTnjGZDpL9CLyF/LqzvH6xVTMXKOFi3va735Bmy7Uhq9yM84r0CsalHTS2ZEZzV4QXiLlUERXwYKk=; c=nofws; d=dabus.com; q=dns; s=aegir1 Received: from nunki.dabus.com (unknown [192.168.10.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aegir.dabus.com (Dabus) with ESMTPSA id E1D1B5F2FE for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:51:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:51:18 -0700 From: Eric S Pulley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: confessions of a FreeBSD purist Message-ID: <20121117145118.076a341a@nunki.dabus.com> In-Reply-To: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> References: <50A72E72.1000205@teksavvy.com> Organization: Dabus X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.11; i386-unknown-openbsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:57:58 -0000 On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:28:02 -0500 Matthew Pope wrote: > Dear FreeBSD community, > > It has been wonderful being a full-fledged member of this community, > an administrator running FreeBSD on bare hardware (in his basement) > for years. This is the coolest, hippiest, historically pure, and > most technically advanced UNIX community on the planet (I'm one of > the more long in the tooth members.) I used Dummynet about four > years ago to replay bad Internet weather and prove my hypothesis of > what servers caused failure in a multi-tier, forex trading system > failure. > > This week I reformatted the last two machines in my basement running > FreeBSD. I feel really guilty. I installed Ubuntu (10.04) because > its GUI is great, its very well supported, and I had a heck of a time > keeping my FreeBSD jails configured and stable, and I'd stopped > running a web site for a while now. > > I installed 10.04 instead of 12.04 because on another machine I had > attempted to upgrade to 12.04 LTS while running the dual boot > configuration, and it trashed my MBR (a known defect.) You have been > warned, etc. It also has that radically different GUI, and really > annoying, an entirely different directory tree on the disk. FreeBSD > contributors would never tamper so much with something that worked so > well. > > However, I do need to run a web site again, and I am more than > convinced on the superior performance, and hardening possible with > FreeBSD bind, and Apache running in jails. However, I'd like to run > FreeBSD in a VMWare or VirtualBox VMs. This gives me the ability to > take snapshots to recover easily when I break something. Computing > resources are like candy these days. My fast box has 4 screaming > fast processors with 8 GB of RAM, and that is a three year old > machine. There is no reason FreeBSD cannot run with adequate > performance in a VM and run bind, and perhaps on another physical > box, have a FreeBSD VM running Apache, both in jails. I know others > are doing it. > > Could anyone be kind enough to recommend a free, or share their own > FreeBSD VM image that has bind pre-configured in a jail, and / or an > Apache web server pre-configured in a jail, for a non-commercial > site? With this configuration I can revert after breaking something > as an over-eager, semi-qualified system administrator. > > Cheers, > Matthew (in Toronto) Seriously? You're going to run some VM image that a guy on the internet gives you? Boy am I glad you switched over to Linux, good luck with that. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 22:18:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D871451 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFB38FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:18:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KMfY/S5o c=1 sm=0 a=+L5dYfeubEW4PLvjDgtIXQ==:17 a=WAZfUmVf-EkA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=QPQBYx4QKYwA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=_JPhSfeDtclgf7tkCY0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=+L5dYfeubEW4PLvjDgtIXQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 76.184.157.127 Received: from [76.184.157.127] ([76.184.157.127:63230] helo=[10.0.0.7]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 99/9F-01425-F2D08A05; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:18:25 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:18:23 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: Alexander Kapshuk , freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: ports: deinstall-all Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50A800B7.7080809@gmail.com> References: <50A16467.6090406@dreamchaser.org> <50A1F06F.7080602@bananmonarki.se> <50A800B7.7080809@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Bernt Hansson X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Schmehl List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:18:27 -0000 --On November 17, 2012 11:25:11 PM +0200 Alexander Kapshuk wrote: > On 11/13/2012 09:02 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> If you really want to remove all installed ports you can do as I do >> >> pkg_delete -f \* > Perhaps not an ideal solution, but rather an alternative one, which works > in bourn-derived shells: > ># for p > in `pkg_info -ao | grep '.*/.*' | sed 's;.*;/usr/ports/&;'` > { > cd $p && make deinstall > } > All that to accomplish this? pkg_deinstall -fa Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 17 22:21:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B1D50A for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780A18FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id qAHMKxRH044851; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:21:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <50A80DCB.7030500@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:20:59 -0700 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121116 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block Subject: Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem? References: <50A53FF1.7050806@dreamchaser.org> <50A602AB.2060307@dreamchaser.org> <50A66659.5040406@dreamchaser.org> <50A6FFC0.3050902@dreamchaser.org> <50A7EE9B.4070003@dreamchaser.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:21:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:21:02 -0000 On 11/17/12 14:08, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: > >> On 11/16/12 21:38, Warren Block wrote: >>> On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/16/12 12:10, Warren Block wrote: >>>> >>>>> Additional SSD suggestions: when creating partitions, leave out the swap >>>>> partition. If you have lots of memory, leave out the /tmp partition. Add >>>>> that extra space to the /usr partition. >>>>> >>>>> Format the UFS filesystems with -Ut, for soft updates and TRIM support. >>>>> (Make sure your SSD supports TRIM, almost all do.) (I don't use soft >>>>> updates journaling.) >>>>> >>>>> Use dd(1) to make a zero-filled file on /usr somewhere, say /usr/swap. >>>>> Make it the size you want swap to be, and do not make it a sparse file. >>>>> Tell the system to use the swapfile in /etc/rc.conf: >>>>> >>>>> swapfile="/usr/swap" >>>>> >>>>> Use tmpfs for /tmp in /etc/fstab: >>>>> >>>>> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 >> >> When using the above in /etc/fstab to establish a tmp file, >> how does the size of /tmp get established? >> Is it limited only by the available swap, >> or is it possible to put an upper bound on it that is smaller than swap? > > It's free VM, which should be available RAM plus available swap. Yes, you can easily limit the maximum size: > > tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,mode=01777,size=1073741824 0 0 > > Untested, but I think that's correct. Where is that documented? I tried: man mount man fstab refers to "See the options flag (-o) in the mount(8) page and the file system specific page, such as mount_nfs(8)..." man mount_tmpfs (doesn't exist) and don't see a "size" option anywhere. oh... there it is man tmpfs > There was a nice Sun white paper by Peter Snyder on tmpfs. It's linked on the Wikipedia tmpfs page, but Oracle has broken the link. Google has a rendered version of a PostScript copy (long URL): > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EXMeqvhFfrsJ:www.sun3arc.org/papers/OS/tmpfs_virtual_memory_filesystem.ps.gz+tmpfs+white+paper&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Thanks. Interesting, I would have thought swap space for something in a tmpfs was not allocated until it needed to be swapped out. As I read it, used tmpfs space reserves space in swap.