From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 10:29:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EA6106566B for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 10:29:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C0B8FC08 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 10:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q4RATQLJ029943; Sun, 27 May 2012 20:29:27 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 20:29:26 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Jason Hellenthal In-Reply-To: <20120526205523.GA10366@DataIX.net> Message-ID: <20120527202044.C98171@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120526203128.GA43402@over-yonder.net> <20120526203940.GA3721@DataIX.net> <20120526204155.GB43402@over-yonder.net> <20120526205523.GA10366@DataIX.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: stable@freebsd.org, "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 10:29:42 -0000 On Sat, 26 May 2012, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 03:41:55PM -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 04:39:40PM -0400 I heard the voice of > > Jason Hellenthal, and lo! it spake thus: > > > > > > Funny... so there are probably alot of machines running around with > > > old unzip binaries... including the already packaged releases. > > > > No, they wouldn't have _any_ unzip binaries. > > > > Absolutely. > > From: FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso > > Console# pwd ;ls usr/bin/ |grep unzip > /mnt/cd9660 > bunzip2 > gunzip > > > Silly Silly, it's always been a port :) smithi on t23% ll /usr/bin | grep unzip -r-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 26852 Apr 14 2011 bunzip2 -r-xr-xr-x 4 root wheel 31232 Apr 14 2011 gunzip smithi on t23% which unzip /usr/local/bin/unzip smithi on t23% pkg_info | grep zip- unzip-5.52_5 List, test and extract compressed files in a ZIP archive zip-3.0 Create/update ZIP files compatible with pkzip smithi on t23% uname -rp 8.2-RELEASE i386 cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 17:02:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E90106566B for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1B58FC15 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 17:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werg1 with SMTP id g1so1978470wer.13 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 10:02:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VtQ9TpeRsNY696+bPqNtn9+GWuyJPvlPZkn9iPE7d2w=; b=ulZlDjkCZXzaLNs6AQwPxWyG85cTONiFsGvrSTIB4DzlvoEkId9wXppk5D3PiRVEwF 4uBbE3nPAQD/gDPRLepUYPkucByFI/Lgfx5hfcgArDiYyEoyNBR5UuwcIti+/oJN0h81 cR63QaeAx5H51NdhWdxnhTWlAcnZ6hE+ZMpbBc4DymmIkg0+QmSj9OcM/o7FeaZDkSbM RnrmX9gwmhNvtC/FSsiXcZLo0bDcMltTyg3hJJbSAt/BAIo8INjnBl1VWvk5kfRZH5d7 7Dk0Lm8V2nuPuU4yJopzu5A2XXb0DhgYnHbKCdw4OfiOxaO0Kaano0l3ZqkA/jFLdMIJ cbAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.215.194 with SMTP id e44mr3096468wep.61.1338138162665; Sun, 27 May 2012 10:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.155.4 with HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2012 10:02:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120526173535.GA87335@rancor.immure.com> References: <20120526173535.GA87335@rancor.immure.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 10:02:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Bob Willcox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: stable list Subject: Re: Problems trying to run X on Intel DH77DF System X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 17:02:46 -0000 On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Bob Willcox wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a new Intel DH77DF mini-ITX motherboard with a Core i5 3550 CPU an= d am > having trouble getting X to run. This is on a 9-STABLE system just update= d > today via cvsup. There appear to be two obvious problems: the first is th= at X > will no longer start (it used to with about a two week older 9-stable bui= ld); > and the second is that once I attempt to start X I seem to lose the conso= le. > I'm left with a blue screen and am unable to switch to any other console > (neither Alt-Fx nor Ctl-Alt-Fx do anything). The system is, however, stil= l > running as I can login via the network. > > My 'uname -a' output is this: > > FreeBSD yoda 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #4: Fri May 25 20:36:02 CDT 20= 12 =A0 =A0 bob@yoda:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/YODA =A0amd64 > > I have attached my dmesg output, a copy of my xorg.conf file, and the out= put > of 'pciconf -vl'. > > Anyone have any idea of what's going wrong, or what I can do to get X to = work > on this system? Are you using the KMS driver (WITH_NEW_XORG)? Can you provide the Xorg.log? As far as vty switching, that is yet to be implemented with KMS. --=20 R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 17:20:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07D51065675 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 17:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: from maul.immure.com (adsl-66-136-206-1.dsl.austtx.swbell.net [66.136.206.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184B48FC0A for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 17:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rancor.immure.com (rancor.immure.com [10.1.132.9]) by maul.immure.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4RHJhjg072975; Sun, 27 May 2012 12:19:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.14.5/8.14.4/Submit) id q4RHJhM9093672; Sun, 27 May 2012 12:19:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 12:19:43 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20120527171943.GA92629@rancor.immure.com> References: <20120526173535.GA87335@rancor.immure.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="5vNYLRcllDrimb99" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-immure-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-immure-MailScanner-ID: q4RHJhjg072975 X-immure-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-immure-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-2.9, required 1, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -1.90) X-immure-MailScanner-From: bob@immure.com X-Spam-Status: No Cc: stable list Subject: Re: Problems trying to run X on Intel DH77DF System X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bob Willcox List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 17:20:12 -0000 --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:02:42AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Bob Willcox wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I have a new Intel DH77DF mini-ITX motherboard with a Core i5 3550 CPU and am > > having trouble getting X to run. This is on a 9-STABLE system just updated > > today via cvsup. There appear to be two obvious problems: the first is that X > > will no longer start (it used to with about a two week older 9-stable build); > > and the second is that once I attempt to start X I seem to lose the console. > > I'm left with a blue screen and am unable to switch to any other console > > (neither Alt-Fx nor Ctl-Alt-Fx do anything). The system is, however, still > > running as I can login via the network. > > > > My 'uname -a' output is this: > > > > FreeBSD yoda 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #4: Fri May 25 20:36:02 CDT 2012 ? ? bob@yoda:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/YODA ?amd64 > > > > I have attached my dmesg output, a copy of my xorg.conf file, and the output > > of 'pciconf -vl'. > > > > Anyone have any idea of what's going wrong, or what I can do to get X to work > > on this system? > > Are you using the KMS driver (WITH_NEW_XORG)? I suspect not. Should I set that in /etc/make.conf? > Can you provide the Xorg.log? Attached. > > As far as vty switching, that is yet to be implemented with KMS. Hmm, ok. I can live without that...just a pain. Thanks! Bob > -- > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com -- Bob Willcox The right half of the brain controls the left half bob@immure.com of the body. This means that only left handed people Austin, TX are in their right mind. --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Xorg.0.log" X.Org X Server 1.7.7 Release Date: 2010-05-04 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE amd64 Current Operating System: FreeBSD yoda 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #4: Fri May 25 20:36:02 CDT 2012 bob@yoda:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/YODA amd64 Build Date: 17 May 2012 07:53:24AM Current version of pixman: 0.24.2 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sat May 26 10:48:32 2012 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" (==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured" (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" (**) | |-->Device "Card0" (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" (**) Option "AllowEmptyInput" "off" (==) Automatically adding devices (==) Automatically enabling devices (**) FontPath set to: /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ (**) ModulePath set to "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" (II) Loader magic: 0x7ba500 (II) Module ABI versions: X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 6.0 X.Org XInput driver : 7.0 X.Org Server Extension : 2.0 (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (--) using VT number 9 (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0152:8086:2034 Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller rev 9, Mem @ 0xf7800000/4194304, 0xe0000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x0000f000/64, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 (II) "extmod" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "dbe" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "record" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "dri" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) "dri2" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) Loading extension X-Resource (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (==) AIGLX disabled (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "dri2" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 2.0 (II) Loading extension DRI2 (II) LoadModule: "vesa" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 2.3.0 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0 (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input/mouse_drv.so (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.7.1 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 7.0 (II) LoadModule: "kbd" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so (II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.6.1 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 7.0 (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00@00:02:0 (WW) VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support (II) Loading sub module "vbe" (II) LoadModule: "vbe" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libvbe.so (II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0 (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libint10.so (II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0 (II) VESA(0): initializing int10 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x20000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0xc0000,0x40000) was already clear (II) VESA(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (II) VESA(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 65472 kB (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM: Intel(R) Sandybridge/Ivybridge Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: Intel Corporation (II) VESA(0): 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was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) VESA(0): RGB weight 888 (==) VESA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (==) VESA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (II) Loading sub module "ddc" (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Module "ddc" already built-in (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC supported (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC Level 2 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC transfer in appr. 1 sec. (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC read successfully (II) VESA(0): Manufacturer: GSM Model: 580c Serial#: 610643 (II) VESA(0): Year: 2010 Week: 12 (II) VESA(0): EDID Version: 1.3 (II) VESA(0): Digital Display Input (II) VESA(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 51 vert.: 29 (II) VESA(0): Gamma: 2.20 (II) VESA(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend Off (II) VESA(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4 (II) VESA(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode (II) VESA(0): redX: 0.633 redY: 0.335 greenX: 0.301 greenY: 0.627 (II) VESA(0): blueX: 0.149 blueY: 0.068 whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329 (II) VESA(0): Supported established timings: (II) VESA(0): 640x480@60Hz (II) VESA(0): 800x600@60Hz (II) VESA(0): 1024x768@60Hz (II) VESA(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 (II) VESA(0): Supported standard timings: (II) VESA(0): #0: hsize: 1152 vsize 864 refresh: 60 vid: 16497 (II) VESA(0): #1: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 60 vid: 32897 (II) VESA(0): #2: hsize: 1280 vsize 960 refresh: 60 vid: 16513 (II) VESA(0): #3: hsize: 1680 vsize 1050 refresh: 60 vid: 179 (II) VESA(0): Supported detailed timing: (II) VESA(0): clock: 148.5 MHz Image Size: 510 x 290 mm (II) VESA(0): h_active: 1920 h_sync: 2008 h_sync_end 2052 h_blank_end 2200 h_border: 0 (II) VESA(0): v_active: 1080 v_sync: 1084 v_sync_end 1089 v_blanking: 1125 v_border: 0 (II) VESA(0): Ranges: V min: 56 V max: 75 Hz, H min: 30 H max: 83 kHz, PixClock max 150 MHz (II) VESA(0): Monitor name: IPS236 (II) VESA(0): Serial No: 012NDMTHY643 (II) VESA(0): EDID (in hex): (II) VESA(0): 00ffffffffffff001e6d0c5853510900 (II) VESA(0): 0c14010380331d78ea3265a2554da026 (II) VESA(0): 115054210800714081808140b3000101 (II) VESA(0): 010101010101023a801871382d40582c (II) VESA(0): 4500fe221100001e000000fd00384b1e (II) VESA(0): 530f000a202020202020000000fc0049 (II) VESA(0): 505332333620202020202020000000ff (II) VESA(0): 003031324e444d5448593634330a002b (II) VESA(0): EDID vendor "GSM", prod id 22540 (II) VESA(0): Using EDID range info for horizontal sync (II) VESA(0): Using EDID range info for vertical refresh (II) VESA(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines: (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0 148.50 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "800x600"x0.0 40.00 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync (37.9 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "640x480"x0.0 25.18 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync (31.5 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1024x768"x0.0 65.00 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync (48.4 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1152x864"x60.0 81.62 1152 1216 1336 1520 864 865 868 895 -hsync +vsync (53.7 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x0.0 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync (64.0 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1280x960"x0.0 108.00 1280 1376 1488 1800 960 961 964 1000 +hsync +vsync (60.0 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Modeline "1680x1050"x0.0 119.00 1680 1728 1760 1840 1050 1053 1059 1080 +hsync -vsync (64.7 kHz) (II) VESA(0): Searching for matching VESA mode(s): (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 160 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 161 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 162 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 163 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 164 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 165 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 166 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 167 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 168 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 169 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 16a (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 16b (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 16c (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 16d (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 16e (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 16f (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 170 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 171 (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 13c (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 14d (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 15c (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 13a (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 14b (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 15a (0x0) ModeAttributes: 0x0 WinAAttributes: 0x0 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 0 WinSize: 0 WinASegment: 0x0 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0x0 BytesPerScanline: 0 XResolution: 0 YResolution: 0 XCharSize: 0 YCharSize: 0 NumberOfPlanes: 0 BitsPerPixel: 0 NumberOfBanks: 0 MemoryModel: 0 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 0 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0x0 LinBytesPerScanLine: 0 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinNumberOfImagePages: 0 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 0 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 107 (1280x1024) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 1280 XResolution: 1280 YResolution: 1024 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 50 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1280 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 50 LinNumberOfImagePages: 50 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 11a (1280x1024) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 2560 XResolution: 1280 YResolution: 1024 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 24 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 2560 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 24 LinNumberOfImagePages: 24 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear *Mode: 11b (1280x1024) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 5120 XResolution: 1280 YResolution: 1024 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 11 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 5120 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 11 LinNumberOfImagePages: 11 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 105 (1024x768) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 1024 XResolution: 1024 YResolution: 768 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 84 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1024 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 84 LinNumberOfImagePages: 84 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 117 (1024x768) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 2048 XResolution: 1024 YResolution: 768 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 41 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 2048 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 41 LinNumberOfImagePages: 41 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear *Mode: 118 (1024x768) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 4096 XResolution: 1024 YResolution: 768 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 20 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 4096 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 20 LinNumberOfImagePages: 20 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear *Mode: 112 (640x480) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 2560 XResolution: 640 YResolution: 480 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 52 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 2560 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 52 LinNumberOfImagePages: 52 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 114 (800x600) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 1600 XResolution: 800 YResolution: 600 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 67 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1600 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 67 LinNumberOfImagePages: 67 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear *Mode: 115 (800x600) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 3200 XResolution: 800 YResolution: 600 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 33 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 3200 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 33 LinNumberOfImagePages: 33 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 101 (640x480) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 640 XResolution: 640 YResolution: 480 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 203 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 640 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 203 LinNumberOfImagePages: 203 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 103 (800x600) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 832 XResolution: 800 YResolution: 600 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 126 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 832 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 126 LinNumberOfImagePages: 126 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 111 (640x480) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 1280 XResolution: 640 YResolution: 480 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 101 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1280 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 101 LinNumberOfImagePages: 101 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 17d (1920x1080) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 1920 XResolution: 1920 YResolution: 1080 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 8 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 4 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 30 RedMaskSize: 0 RedFieldPosition: 0 GreenMaskSize: 0 GreenFieldPosition: 0 BlueMaskSize: 0 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 1920 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 30 LinNumberOfImagePages: 30 LinRedMaskSize: 0 LinRedFieldPosition: 0 LinGreenMaskSize: 0 LinGreenFieldPosition: 0 LinBlueMaskSize: 0 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear Mode: 17e (1920x1080) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 3840 XResolution: 1920 YResolution: 1080 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 16 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 14 RedMaskSize: 5 RedFieldPosition: 11 GreenMaskSize: 6 GreenFieldPosition: 5 BlueMaskSize: 5 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 0 RsvdFieldPosition: 0 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 3840 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 14 LinNumberOfImagePages: 14 LinRedMaskSize: 5 LinRedFieldPosition: 11 LinGreenMaskSize: 6 LinGreenFieldPosition: 5 LinBlueMaskSize: 5 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 0 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 0 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear *Mode: 17f (1920x1080) ModeAttributes: 0x9b WinAAttributes: 0x7 WinBAttributes: 0x0 WinGranularity: 64 WinSize: 64 WinASegment: 0xa000 WinBSegment: 0x0 WinFuncPtr: 0xc000827b BytesPerScanline: 7680 XResolution: 1920 YResolution: 1080 XCharSize: 8 YCharSize: 16 NumberOfPlanes: 1 BitsPerPixel: 32 NumberOfBanks: 1 MemoryModel: 6 BankSize: 0 NumberOfImages: 7 RedMaskSize: 8 RedFieldPosition: 16 GreenMaskSize: 8 GreenFieldPosition: 8 BlueMaskSize: 8 BlueFieldPosition: 0 RsvdMaskSize: 8 RsvdFieldPosition: 24 DirectColorModeInfo: 0 PhysBasePtr: 0xe0000000 LinBytesPerScanLine: 7680 BnkNumberOfImagePages: 7 LinNumberOfImagePages: 7 LinRedMaskSize: 8 LinRedFieldPosition: 16 LinGreenMaskSize: 8 LinGreenFieldPosition: 8 LinBlueMaskSize: 8 LinBlueFieldPosition: 0 LinRsvdMaskSize: 8 LinRsvdFieldPosition: 24 MaxPixelClock: 230000000 (II) VESA(0): Total Memory: 1023 64KB banks (65472kB) (II) VESA(0): Monitor0: Using hsync range of 30.00-83.00 kHz (II) VESA(0): Monitor0: Using vrefresh range of 56.00-75.00 Hz (II) VESA(0): Monitor0: Using maximum pixel clock of 150.00 MHz (WW) VESA(0): Unable to estimate virtual size (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (--) VESA(0): Virtual size is 1920x1080 (pitch 1920) (**) VESA(0): *Built-in mode "1920x1080" (**) VESA(0): *Built-in mode "1280x1024" (**) VESA(0): *Built-in mode "1024x768" (**) VESA(0): *Built-in mode "800x600" (**) VESA(0): *Built-in mode "640x480" (**) VESA(0): Display dimensions: (510, 290) mm (**) VESA(0): DPI set to (95, 94) (**) VESA(0): Using "Shadow Framebuffer" (II) Loading sub module "shadow" (II) LoadModule: "shadow" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libshadow.so (II) Module shadow: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.1.0 ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 (II) Loading sub module "fb" (II) LoadModule: "fb" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (II) Loading sub module "int10" (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Reloading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/libint10.so (II) VESA(0): initializing int10 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x20000) was already clear (II) VESA(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (II) VESA(0): VESA BIOS detected (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 65472 kB (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM: Intel(R) Sandybridge/Ivybridge Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0 (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: Intel Corporation (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: Intel(R) Sandybridge/Ivybridge Graphics Controller (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: Hardware Version 0.0 (II) VESA(0): virtual address = 0x805200000, physical address = 0xe0000000, size = 67043328 (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (II) VESA(0): Setting up VESA Mode 0x17F (1920x1080) (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (==) VESA(0): Backing store disabled (==) VESA(0): DPMS enabled (==) RandR enabled (II) Initializing built-in extension Generic Event Extension (II) Initializing built-in extension SHAPE (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Initializing built-in extension SYNC (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-MISC (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/local/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so (II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0 (WW) Mouse0: No Device specified, looking for one... (II) Mouse0: Setting Device option to "/dev/sysmouse" (--) Mouse0: Device: "/dev/sysmouse" (==) Mouse0: Protocol: "Auto" (**) Option "CorePointer" (**) Mouse0: always reports core events (**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" (==) Mouse0: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" (**) Mouse0: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4, 5, 6 and 7 (**) Mouse0: Buttons: 11 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse0" (type: MOUSE) (**) Mouse0: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 (**) Mouse0: (accel) acceleration profile 0 (II) Mouse0: SetupAuto: hw.iftype is 4, hw.model is 0 (II) Mouse0: SetupAuto: protocol is SysMouse (**) Option "CoreKeyboard" (**) Keyboard0: always reports core events (**) Option "Protocol" "standard" (**) Option "XkbRules" "base" (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Keyboard0" (type: KEYBOARD) (II) UnloadModule: "mouse" (II) UnloadModule: "kbd" (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear (==) VESA(0): Write-combining range (0x0,0x1000) was already clear --5vNYLRcllDrimb99-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 17:45:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D699B1065673; Sun, 27 May 2012 17:45:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B128FC08; Sun, 27 May 2012 17:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadv36 with SMTP id v36so3303057dad.13 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TszGr/KZzhh4BEY78XujrERE0eHillh4CNiPBswrn+U=; b=vSZg25zxui7iw3tHWAeXElPogao9Vlu7HHHsjlvufquch13WJptaMeOzMjRQNEkhz7 6iY3OHQbMT9OBL0HmPLatiWvOPi/4c2+UKCS6AH1kwCVXDDguEvvpOq2oTgxDwqh3tu4 dlIlvrpyC/FqB6SavD/M38lAcTjldlpMflpFsn1wqxKRKe1p3/rtRwzB4Y/EGwCp2ghf xi+tTZjWCAYSraW5pAn6Bj0J/FRwkq0s0mZ5ljqzs+msiGIerokZPOKMuMD+kFMB/VzD bAChoc2GOXgxCMJwKEH8LweH/CpZWMXOFfuvysLF+3eH11rKHDfvtatY8ietP2i+zYFp r7/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.204.165 with SMTP id kz5mr9707132pbc.80.1338140759441; Sun, 27 May 2012 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.203.2 with HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2012 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120526.181026.124546767.iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org> References: <20120525.134903.05583594.iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org> <20120526.181026.124546767.iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 10:45:59 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0dhrQzNt3O4EGFVvTVPi0Rh4p-4 Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Mitsuru IWASAKI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: iwasaki@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, jkim@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: STABLE/9 SMP ACPI suspend/resume - video mode not being restored X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 17:45:59 -0000 Hi, Loading vesa didn't help. I think 80x25 and 80x30 were fine when resuming, but 80x50/80x60 weren't. I'll try your patch today. Adrian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 17:53:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB265106564A for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 17:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apeiron@isuckatdomains.net) Received: from isuckatdomains.net (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:4::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F438FC16 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 17:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isuckatdomains.members.linode.com (isuckatdomains.net [74.207.243.179]) by isuckatdomains.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BAA6545A62 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 13:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 13:53:27 -0400 From: Chris Nehren To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120527175327.GD17789@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120526203128.GA43402@over-yonder.net> <20120526203940.GA3721@DataIX.net> <20120526204155.GB43402@over-yonder.net> <20120526205523.GA10366@DataIX.net> <20120527202044.C98171@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120527202044.C98171@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 17:53:29 -0000 On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 20:29:26 +1000 , Ian Smith wrote: > Silly, it's always been a port :) > > smithi on t23% ll /usr/bin | grep unzip > -r-xr-xr-x 3 root wheel 26852 Apr 14 2011 bunzip2 > -r-xr-xr-x 4 root wheel 31232 Apr 14 2011 gunzip > smithi on t23% which unzip > /usr/local/bin/unzip > smithi on t23% pkg_info | grep zip- > unzip-5.52_5 List, test and extract compressed files in a ZIP archive > zip-3.0 Create/update ZIP files compatible with pkzip > smithi on t23% uname -rp > 8.2-RELEASE i386 Yes, but there's also http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/usr.bin/unzip/ which AFAIU was committed in time for 8.2-R. -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 22:32:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A871065670 for ; 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Sun, 27 May 2012 15:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.116.38 with HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2012 15:32:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120527175327.GD17789@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120526203128.GA43402@over-yonder.net> <20120526203940.GA3721@DataIX.net> <20120526204155.GB43402@over-yonder.net> <20120526205523.GA10366@DataIX.net> <20120527202044.C98171@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <20120527175327.GD17789@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 17:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: Scot Hetzel To: Chris Nehren Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 22:32:06 -0000 On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Chris Nehren wrote: > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 20:29:26 +1000 , Ian Smith wrote: >> Silly, it's always been a port :) >> >> smithi on t23% ll /usr/bin | grep unzip >> -r-xr-xr-x =A0 3 root =A0wheel =A0 =A0 26852 Apr 14 =A02011 bunzip2 >> -r-xr-xr-x =A0 4 root =A0wheel =A0 =A0 31232 Apr 14 =A02011 gunzip >> smithi on t23% which unzip >> /usr/local/bin/unzip >> smithi on t23% pkg_info | grep zip- >> unzip-5.52_5 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0List, test and extract compressed files in a= ZIP archive >> zip-3.0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Create/update ZIP files compatible with = pkzip >> smithi on t23% uname -rp >> 8.2-RELEASE i386 > > Yes, but there's also > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/usr.bin/unzip/ which AFAIU was > committed in time for 8.2-R. > It may have been comited in time for 8.2-R, but it was never built for any of the 8.x releases. Look at http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/usr.bin/Makefile, unzip is not connected to the build infrastructure. It was first connected to the build structure for FreeBSD 9 in Dec 3, 2009: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=3Drevision&revision=3D200068 Scot From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 22:43:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF788106566B for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 22:43:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from seanbru@yahoo-inc.com) Received: from mrout2-b.corp.bf1.yahoo.com (mrout2-b.corp.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.253.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742A68FC0A for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 22:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (proxy6.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.48.19]) by mrout2-b.corp.bf1.yahoo.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/y.out) with ESMTP id q4RMhh5P000942 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 15:43:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=yahoo-inc.com; s=cobra; t=1338158624; bh=oDX8GPI6cZ1mjNsFCg27FN7ZMljR9AQk/7pYQ5/PiiY=; h=Subject:From:To:Content-Type:Date:Message-ID:Mime-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gj1o35SsWfzK92Y9A6Wq7cpfKC2qLpEOnWtb4+bEdfj0e7Srfb438CC6myhtE7wcE 377UEt1l+0VD2NQ6zFNr6AOZtJ7Lx4iP43E2mRdMb0Xzq22YItC/W+ARQTvys+9vy8 RJB2p/hOQwF2G0AoE2iJaAWSSuvgXQHbG3+mE/Os= From: Sean Bruno To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 15:43:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1338158623.3702.5.camel@powernoodle-l7> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Milter-Version: master.31+4-gbc07cd5+ X-CLX-ID: 158624000 Subject: [stable 9]Dell R620 Ethernet Ordering X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 22:43:54 -0000 I'm trying to understand the newbus and acpi interactions on this Dell R620 that result in the Broadcom adapter board being probed "backwards" or just plain out of order in comparison to the connector layout and the linux tg3 driver. We seem to be detecting PCI0:2:0 before PCI0:1:0. This seems odd to me. When I replace the broadcom daughter card with an intel daughter card, this does not show up, so I assume either a malfunction of the Dell ACPI tables or the bge(4) driver. http://people.freebsd.org/~sbruno/dell_12g_pciconf.txt http://people.freebsd.org/~sbruno/r620_acpidump.txt From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 01:01:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999F01065670 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 01:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@dataix.net) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478B28FC16 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 01:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so6154074obc.13 for ; Sun, 27 May 2012 18:01:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataix.net; s=rsa; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=dOzASgXdsH+rTIJJAs1Yy14QzxhEo+j3nUL3dvE2sms=; b=MICj/9Mj36dw4TSzxFohCYVKXVuFK6q3KR+2na/en42xdET1sleErFMk17LIyRmlui JKlUcifUlUgO2OvYASwJIOTRLfPsWW+QIFa7qia3+3gC1r3A1s0QnUlyT1xdrBcKrt8j nd8ag3OR4/z4NVJ+IMV8HI30WvbJhPQ0iZbH0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-gm-message-state; bh=dOzASgXdsH+rTIJJAs1Yy14QzxhEo+j3nUL3dvE2sms=; b=h2lohfT7eIV6Mh11NC1rxOZve70Us1JYKVJOo9POyZTsMd4atX1knFJkyMCFIXFqrk 1G6xd2cVVYLWPOEuMXURQrFzVRkvWGJVPAYfqzGoDLsKU5iW24PUbMlyEBrGXR0aZ/O1 qfMeVhpNho7yg+/qAWMxbQejapFH5WZybL5nXn0+deMbX8En2A79Hl/WYXOhutBe1eKP jTp7PceNy/TjwF/lvrvsy/u3sHQLp8KvDKFPMTQMmunifvjqUh6iWnPVQQ0Sk/Rc/8ts dA5lyggbOmWukzrkapOSAHTuqIRazxO9h0y312cfpDhxsClgW6LdSGBSX1+MtmCqRWtS OWZA== Received: by 10.50.222.170 with SMTP id qn10mr3401739igc.45.1338166909820; Sun, 27 May 2012 18:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (24-247-238-117.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com. [24.247.238.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ai6sm8814065igc.0.2012.05.27.18.01.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 27 May 2012 18:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4S11lwU040832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 27 May 2012 21:01:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4S11lCU040831; Sun, 27 May 2012 21:01:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 21:01:46 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmV+4KPqIVq8zzzDBcNMOqAEy8OCWvGRREyqygdYcHZ10m8e3L/Kkcqxm3x2Kx2L6MT+4hP Cc: rdivacky@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, des@freebsd.org, miwi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 01:01:56 -0000 --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could someone MFC this to stable/8 please... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r200068 | rdivacky | 2009-12-03 13:02:55 -0500 (Thu, 03 Dec 2009) | 6 lines Connect unzip to the build. Approved by: ed (mentor) Approved by: des (unzip author) Tested by: exp ports build (miwi) On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 04:24:32PM -0400, Jason Hellenthal wrote: >=20 > I have just noticed the following depicting unzip not being > updated/installed during a make installworld. >=20 > The last binary before this test that caught my attention was from Apr > 15, in which I cd(1) into unzip's source directory and did a make && > everything neccesary to install it. After running a make installworld > once again I see that it seems not connected to the install target > somehow. >=20 > Could someone look into this when they get a chance ? >=20 > Install world happened here: May 26 16:11 >=20 > ls -l /usr/bin > [...] > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 10168 May 26 16:11 uniq > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11952 May 26 16:11 units > -r-xr-xr-x 6 root wheel 56796 May 26 16:11 unlzma > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5016 May 26 16:11 unvis > -r-xr-xr-x 6 root wheel 56796 May 26 16:11 unxz > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 15504 May 26 02:54 unzip > -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 14840 May 26 16:11 uptime > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14384 May 26 16:11 usbhidaction > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14344 May 26 16:11 usbhidctl > [...] >=20 >=20 > This is on FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE r236003M i386 >=20 >=20 > Thanks >=20 > --=20 >=20 > - (2^(N-1)) --=20 - (2^(N-1)) --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPws56AAoJEBSh2Dr1DU7WjHIH/2QXkjtQbJ3U6dyiod7gFeoU yhR9xHP0OMwNycK51/sy3NuQXZJHoV2Ht/PxnIJu8Fw19WLSxBBMRo8a3ZsARNOA K3abOZu/AOcsQxXEM42oIvMJNBlfFBkkC9PrDVtzSv9YnyzdBYgqKriE54f0zuxL +b6nXwCSFzP8zVgGLq7EugJeAhS1uhHbZpCgFlSokD4F1CmsRfLT6RzwKdg9advL q7vB+kPNRwYGlv5LnqhwsY392RyeVBDbo+MkIyP7LExv+70vebFQH0Toe3IYNelR Dm2Ca9rQpPBmr8Cy4MtjwNHJylMqm7BTn3WEpuFyb9/hHQmeJpzFMplIQJIAd9I= =eVgl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 07:18:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9991065672 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C6C8FC16 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4S7HueV022032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:17:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q4S7Huqx022029 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:17:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:17:56 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD stable Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-114889671-1338189476=:84474" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, SUBJ_OBFU_PUNCT_FEW,SUBJ_OBFU_PUNCT_MANY autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Subject: make -j4 buildworld buildkernel on RELENG_9 bombs out during lib/libc (obj,depend,all,install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:18:06 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-114889671-1338189476=:84474 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 ru_RU.KOI8-R.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/ru_RU.KOI8-R/libc.cat sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 sk_SK.ISO8859-2.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/sk_SK.ISO8859-2/libc.cat sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 sv_SE.ISO8859-1.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/sv_SE.ISO8859-1/libc.cat sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 uk_UA.UTF-8.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/uk_UA.UTF-8/libc.cat 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error Script done on Sun May 27 20:45:37 2012 All times are expressed as CEST = UTC + 2h. Complete output made during make -j4 buildworld buildkernel is available at: http://ximalas.info/~trond/RELENG_9/make-buildworld-buildkernel-20120527f.txt The affected system is running: FreeBSD enterprise.ximalas.info 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Sun May 27 11:54:08 CEST 2012 root@enterprise.ximalas.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ENTERPRISE amd64 /etc/src.conf contains: == cut == # $BSDnet: config/freebsd/enterprise/etc/src.conf,v 1.5 2012-05-23 12:12:12 trond Exp $ CC=clang CXX=clang++ CPP=clang-cpp NO_WERROR= WERROR= WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS=yes WITH_CTF=1 WITH_ICONV=yes WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS=yes == cut == /etc/make.conf contains: == cut == # $BSDnet: config/freebsd/enterprise/etc/make.conf,v 1.18 2012-05-19 21:03:02 trond Exp $ KERNCONF=ENTERPRISE == cut == Serial compilation runs without any hiccups. Is parallel compilation discouraged all of a sudden? -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. dir. 61 14 54 39, | Office.....: +47 61 14 54 39, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-114889671-1338189476=:84474-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 07:33:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E29106566B for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:33:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503E38FC08 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4S7X9Jo022189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:33:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q4S7X95i022186 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:33:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:33:09 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY="2055831798-114889671-1338189476=:84474" Content-ID: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Subject: Re: make -j4 buildworld buildkernel on RELENG_9 bombs out during lib/libc (obj,depend,all,install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:33:14 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-114889671-1338189476=:84474 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: On Mon, 28 May 2012 09:17+0200, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 ru_RU.KOI8-R.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/ru_RU.KOI8-R/libc.cat > sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 sk_SK.ISO8859-2.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/sk_SK.ISO8859-2/libc.cat > sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 sv_SE.ISO8859-1.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/sv_SE.ISO8859-1/libc.cat > sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 uk_UA.UTF-8.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/uk_UA.UTF-8/libc.cat > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > > Script done on Sun May 27 20:45:37 2012 > > All times are expressed as CEST = UTC + 2h. > > Complete output made during make -j4 buildworld buildkernel is > available at: > > http://ximalas.info/~trond/RELENG_9/make-buildworld-buildkernel-20120527f.txt > > The affected system is running: > > FreeBSD enterprise.ximalas.info 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Sun May 27 11:54:08 CEST 2012 root@enterprise.ximalas.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ENTERPRISE amd64 > > /etc/src.conf contains: > > == cut == > # $BSDnet: config/freebsd/enterprise/etc/src.conf,v 1.5 2012-05-23 12:12:12 trond Exp $ > CC=clang > CXX=clang++ > CPP=clang-cpp > > NO_WERROR= > WERROR= > > WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS=yes > WITH_CTF=1 > WITH_ICONV=yes > > WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS=yes > == cut == > > /etc/make.conf contains: > > == cut == > # $BSDnet: config/freebsd/enterprise/etc/make.conf,v 1.18 2012-05-19 21:03:02 trond Exp $ > > KERNCONF=ENTERPRISE > == cut == > > Serial compilation runs without any hiccups. Is parallel compilation > discouraged all of a sudden? Correction: the bug happens during: ===> lib/libcxxrt (obj,depend,all,install) -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. dir. 61 14 54 39, | Office.....: +47 61 14 54 39, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-114889671-1338189476=:84474 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: INLINE _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --2055831798-114889671-1338189476=:84474-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 07:42:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579AF1065670 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:42:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097C08FC1F for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 07:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1SYub1-0001T1-AY>; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:42:31 +0200 Received: from e178030195.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.30.195] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1SYub1-0008JD-4g>; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:42:31 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC32C60.4030106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:42:24 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120502 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5pre Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig265DEE2AE8448458593322D4" X-Originating-IP: 85.178.30.195 Cc: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: make -j4 buildworld buildkernel on RELENG_9 bombs out during lib/libc (obj,depend,all,install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:42:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig265DEE2AE8448458593322D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/28/12 09:33, Trond Endrest=F8l wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2012 09:17+0200, Trond Endrest=F8l wrote: >=20 >> sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 ru_RU.KOI8-R.ca= t /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/ru_RU.KOI8-R/libc.cat >> sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 sk_SK.ISO8859-2= =2Ecat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/sk_SK.ISO8859-2/libc.cat >> sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 sv_SE.ISO8859-1= =2Ecat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/sv_SE.ISO8859-1/libc.cat >> sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 uk_UA.UTF-8.cat= /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/uk_UA.UTF-8/libc.cat >> 1 error >> *** Error code 2 >> 1 error >> *** Error code 2 >> 1 error >> *** Error code 2 >> 1 error >> >> Script done on Sun May 27 20:45:37 2012 >> >> All times are expressed as CEST =3D UTC + 2h. >> >> Complete output made during make -j4 buildworld buildkernel is=20 >> available at: >> >> http://ximalas.info/~trond/RELENG_9/make-buildworld-buildkernel-201205= 27f.txt >> >> The affected system is running: >> >> FreeBSD enterprise.ximalas.info 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Sun = May 27 11:54:08 CEST 2012 root@enterprise.ximalas.info:/usr/obj/usr/s= rc/sys/ENTERPRISE amd64 >> >> /etc/src.conf contains: >> >> =3D=3D cut =3D=3D >> # $BSDnet: config/freebsd/enterprise/etc/src.conf,v 1.5 2012-05-23 12:= 12:12 trond Exp $ >> CC=3Dclang >> CXX=3Dclang++ >> CPP=3Dclang-cpp >> >> NO_WERROR=3D >> WERROR=3D >> >> WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS=3Dyes >> WITH_CTF=3D1 >> WITH_ICONV=3Dyes >> >> WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS=3Dyes >> =3D=3D cut =3D=3D >> >> /etc/make.conf contains: >> >> =3D=3D cut =3D=3D >> # $BSDnet: config/freebsd/enterprise/etc/make.conf,v 1.18 2012-05-19 2= 1:03:02 trond Exp $ >> >> KERNCONF=3DENTERPRISE >> =3D=3D cut =3D=3D >> >> Serial compilation runs without any hiccups. Is parallel compilation=20 >> discouraged all of a sudden? >=20 > Correction: the bug happens during: >=20 > =3D=3D=3D> lib/libcxxrt (obj,depend,all,install) Same here with "make -j8 ..." on a Dell PowerEdge1950-III. make buildworld works fine, takes ages ... Regards, Oliver --------------enig265DEE2AE8448458593322D4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPwyxmAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8iAkIAL8dOmAQBu3qa/xJ7kCTf89y XUDz0cfzbDXvttNEpNQm1Wu7icq1NbdKiotf2GzWmKQuPXdQFG/bpGaGVKSguTWQ XuJJdU68odPZV+b1vJ+e3FdhziEVgZIHQCx/xasgWe1JAiLIbD+yEFLNZ6U2ynVe c11OQrP5eg5hdUMHOuP/ASFF46ficFf7UQWIYyAeP1MuM9Pil5yqPr5rbnCXK+A3 b4UbqArPqJtdivmiO8e2Jv2a+h0yZ7FR4JgxxI9Q3gBP+3eZ5PCAxCjZ6bH96CS9 IVsMai/ZT4koiD93kL+S6ftxG2URxq0hgOAS6Mvi6o4Z5CbRDRia12gP2q0jYJ8= =Iu3t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig265DEE2AE8448458593322D4-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 08:34:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7723F1065672 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:34:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (mail.digital-infotech.net [41.211.25.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197858FC08 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2281C2E40FE for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:28:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digital-infotech.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81483-02 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:28:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA082E4002 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:28:05 +0000 (GMT) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 mail.digital-infotech.net BBA082E4002 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digital-infotech.net; s=digital; t=1338193685; bh=NONTMMNehZRDyzm7Z3HDTMUOy+MJuogmkoNIHRSUYJA=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To; b=YBlo2xyJKcZ8Z4gatWdZ8uAwCwDC2P+hextuOrXbZzGwqBrMhhWFelPH56RxmmDHJ zr713iQGhMCLihuV96Idaunm01DSAZ/6nT1NgF0I76Y4R+8aajVNIweu0w8U8wNYt5 4sD2Gj3o9VWGEH8CVrPVQObaxJfF0jCUMc2Hl+B8= Received: from 41.211.28.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) by mail.digital-infotech.net with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:28:05 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:28:05 -0000 From: "Shiv. NK" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Named Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:34:32 -0000 Dear FreeBSD List Community, It is FreeBSD 9.0 Release. When i restart named, i got the following message. And unable to understand the cause. i need help Stopping named. Waiting for PIDS: 63996. eval: mtree: not found eval: mount: not found /etc/rc.d/named: WARNING: devfs_domount(): Unable to mount devfs on /var/named/dev eval: devfs: not found eval: devfs: not found Starting named Here is my "df -h", it seems that file system in mounted. How can i resolve it. [root@rock /home/mavi]# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0a 70G 7.2G 58G 11% / devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev procfs 4.0k 4.0k 0B 100% /proc linprocfs 4.0k 4.0k 0B 100% /compat/linux/proc fdescfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev/fd devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /var/named/dev Thanks / Nath NK From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 09:01:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C73106566C for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA0014E5E2; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FC33EEC.4040703@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 02:01:32 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120506 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5pre OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:01:33 -0000 On 05/28/2012 01:28, Shiv. NK wrote: > eval: mtree: not found > eval: mount: not found I assume you're typing '/etc/rc.d/named restart'. If so, there appears to be something wrong with your PATH in that shell. Try doing 'service named restart' instead. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 09:36:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3802F106566B; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (mail.digital-infotech.net [41.211.25.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1EC8FC0C; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7868F2E40FE; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:36:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digital-infotech.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81483-04; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:36:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0112E4002; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:36:48 +0000 (GMT) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 mail.digital-infotech.net DE0112E4002 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digital-infotech.net; s=digital; t=1338197809; bh=8Kw7J25VUI5aoSoEyGCB1RBbogZpyEd4kcsw/XD+PDE=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:Reply-To; b=hL2G0XGE0HAx+mI5T3xeAnE1cwSkZUwreYa2dFGP9b/V0MSn7FGj+HLEILd30Ea5k 861WsBtbwRtP9OiEj13g871udtWx0xDQefkcezzGP5gMu2g8roBFoxGxwYFWH6+t++ fiyuS6xopluUJrzWqL8CohukTbPF3iFGZBq3fy8Y= Received: from 41.211.28.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) by mail.digital-infotech.net with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:36:49 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FC33EEC.4040703@FreeBSD.org> References: <4FC33EEC.4040703@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:36:49 -0000 From: "Shiv. NK" To: "Doug Barton" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:36:52 -0000 > On 05/28/2012 01:28, Shiv. NK wrote: >> eval: mtree: not found >> eval: mount: not found > > I assume you're typing '/etc/rc.d/named restart'. If so, there appears > to be something wrong with your PATH in that shell. > > Try doing 'service named restart' instead. > > Doug Dear D. Barton, thanks for your response, i forgot to tell that the error i reported above is generated when named is restarted using bash script through cron. But if i manually restart from terminal window, both commands works just fine. without any error /etc/rc.d/named restart service named restart i appreciate your kind assistance. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 09:41:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C12106566B for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:41:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A1914EED3; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FC34831.2070001@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 02:41:05 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120506 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net References: <4FC33EEC.4040703@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5pre OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:41:06 -0000 On 05/28/2012 02:36, Shiv. NK wrote: > >> On 05/28/2012 01:28, Shiv. NK wrote: >>> eval: mtree: not found >>> eval: mount: not found >> >> I assume you're typing '/etc/rc.d/named restart'. If so, there appears >> to be something wrong with your PATH in that shell. >> >> Try doing 'service named restart' instead. >> >> Doug > > Dear D. Barton, > > thanks for your response, i forgot to tell that the error i reported above > is generated when named is restarted using bash script through cron. > > But if i manually restart from terminal window, both commands works just > fine. without any error Then it's definitely a PATH problem. Use the service method described above and the problem will go away. FYI, you almost certainly do not need to restart named via a cron job. You probably want to write to bind-users@isc.org and describe what you're trying to accomplish, and they can give you better suggestions on how to do it. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 09:53:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB7F1065674 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F058FC18 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 09:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4S9rluA023523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 May 2012 11:53:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q4S9rlBo023520; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:53:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:53:47 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: "O. Hartmann" In-Reply-To: <4FC32C60.4030106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Message-ID: References: <4FC32C60.4030106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-1260983219-1338198827=:84474" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no Cc: FreeBSD stable Subject: Re: make -j4 buildworld buildkernel on RELENG_9 bombs out during lib/libc (obj,depend,all,install) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:53:55 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2055831798-1260983219-1338198827=:84474 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 28 May 2012 09:42+0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > On 05/28/12 09:33, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > > On Mon, 28 May 2012 09:17+0200, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > > > >> sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 ru_RU.KOI8-R.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/ru_RU.KOI8-R/libc.cat > >> sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 sk_SK.ISO8859-2.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/sk_SK.ISO8859-2/libc.cat > >> sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 sv_SE.ISO8859-1.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/sv_SE.ISO8859-1/libc.cat > >> sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -o root -g wheel -m 444 uk_UA.UTF-8.cat /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/nls/uk_UA.UTF-8/libc.cat > >> 1 error > >> *** Error code 2 > >> 1 error > >> *** Error code 2 > >> 1 error > >> *** Error code 2 > >> 1 error > >> > >> Script done on Sun May 27 20:45:37 2012 > >> > >> All times are expressed as CEST = UTC + 2h. > >> > >> Complete output made during make -j4 buildworld buildkernel is > >> available at: > >> > >> http://ximalas.info/~trond/RELENG_9/make-buildworld-buildkernel-20120527f.txt > >> > >> The affected system is running: > >> > >> FreeBSD enterprise.ximalas.info 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Sun May 27 11:54:08 CEST 2012 root@enterprise.ximalas.info:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ENTERPRISE amd64 > >> > >> /etc/src.conf contains: > >> > >> == cut == > >> # $BSDnet: config/freebsd/enterprise/etc/src.conf,v 1.5 2012-05-23 12:12:12 trond Exp $ > >> CC=clang > >> CXX=clang++ > >> CPP=clang-cpp > >> > >> NO_WERROR= > >> WERROR= > >> > >> WITH_CLANG_EXTRAS=yes > >> WITH_CTF=1 > >> WITH_ICONV=yes > >> > >> WITH_LIBCPLUSPLUS=yes > >> == cut == > >> > >> /etc/make.conf contains: > >> > >> == cut == > >> # $BSDnet: config/freebsd/enterprise/etc/make.conf,v 1.18 2012-05-19 21:03:02 trond Exp $ > >> > >> KERNCONF=ENTERPRISE > >> == cut == > >> > >> Serial compilation runs without any hiccups. Is parallel compilation > >> discouraged all of a sudden? > > > > Correction: the bug happens during: > > > > ===> lib/libcxxrt (obj,depend,all,install) > > Same here with "make -j8 ..." on a Dell PowerEdge1950-III. It's good to know I'm not alone. :D > make buildworld works fine, takes ages ... My Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400 CPU @ 3.10GHz (3109.20-MHz K8-class CPU) spent 01:49:51 on make buildworld buildkernel earlier this morning. Further investigation points to libgcc_s not being available in time during parallel builds: building static cxxrt library building shared library libcxxrt.so.1 ranlib libcxxrt.a /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s clang: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. dir. 61 14 54 39, | Office.....: +47 61 14 54 39, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ --2055831798-1260983219-1338198827=:84474-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 10:04:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0D01065674; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:04:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (mail.digital-infotech.net [41.211.25.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EAF8FC17; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC912E40FE; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:04:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digital-infotech.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81483-06; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:04:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF4C2E4002; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:04:29 +0000 (GMT) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 mail.digital-infotech.net EDF4C2E4002 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digital-infotech.net; s=digital; t=1338199470; bh=ie7Q3fTDYC7Xaq1OPkRTGvFTKZIL52vmeA6MIHozevQ=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:Reply-To; b=ZSBaBaBbF6ZOIbXA9dR3sIfpSCV0Fn8NAPA1QMU2sQnWwgJi9YSaIaVdPuf5NkF/T ALWwX6w1nsYL1NXO8eDC75YO7STOjKEsM3Q510D5cRmUZTrxbH9s8hrIAhmJ3v8qJW uUQ/WTVTuB+tlRlpxDMTezpVvQoVfGZcsT86SWrs= Received: from 41.211.28.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) by mail.digital-infotech.net with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 10:04:30 -0000 Message-ID: <2e74fc890e0faa951358d207d7497e7b.squirrel@mail.digital-infotech.net> In-Reply-To: <4FC34831.2070001@FreeBSD.org> References: <4FC33EEC.4040703@FreeBSD.org> <4FC34831.2070001@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:04:30 -0000 From: "Shiv. NK" To: "Doug Barton" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:04:33 -0000 >> Dear D. Barton, >> >> thanks for your response, i forgot to tell that the error i reported >> above >> is generated when named is restarted using bash script through cron. >> >> But if i manually restart from terminal window, both commands works just >> fine. without any error > > Then it's definitely a PATH problem. Use the service method described > above and the problem will go away. > > FYI, you almost certainly do not need to restart named via a cron job. > You probably want to write to bind-users@isc.org and describe what > you're trying to accomplish, and they can give you better suggestions on > how to do it. > > Doug Dear D. Barton, thank you very much, you are right, it is $PATH problem. And thank you for your advice. i will do so. Thanks / Regards Nath NK From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 11:29:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E38106564A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:29:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gondim@bsdinfo.com.br) Received: from zeus.linuxinfo.com.br (zeus.linuxinfo.com.br [186.193.48.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40848FC16 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 11:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zeus.linuxinfo.com.br (zeus.linuxinfo.com.br [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.linuxinfo.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC8D466A434 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:20:23 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zeus.linuxinfo.com.br Received: from zeus.linuxinfo.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by zeus.linuxinfo.com.br (zeus.linuxinfo.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lxn2JNjiemYp for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:20:17 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [186.193.48.8]) by zeus.linuxinfo.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2ACB466A426 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 08:20:17 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <4FC35F53.9030600@bsdinfo.com.br> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:19:47 -0300 From: Marcelo Gondim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC33EEC.4040703@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Named Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:29:50 -0000 Em 28/05/2012 06:36, Shiv. NK escreveu: >> On 05/28/2012 01:28, Shiv. NK wrote: >>> eval: mtree: not found >>> eval: mount: not found >> I assume you're typing '/etc/rc.d/named restart'. If so, there appears >> to be something wrong with your PATH in that shell. >> >> Try doing 'service named restart' instead. >> >> Doug > Dear D. Barton, > > thanks for your response, i forgot to tell that the error i reported above > is generated when named is restarted using bash script through cron. > > But if i manually restart from terminal window, both commands works just > fine. without any error > > /etc/rc.d/named restart > service named restart > > i appreciate your kind assistance. Hi Shiv, Try to include this path in your /etc/crontab PATH=/etc:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin Its works for me when I use bash scripts in cron. :) Sorry my english :) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 16:46:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0CC106564A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:46:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09D08FC0A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 16:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.17]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979451AF1E3 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (mail-in-17.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.57]) by mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C7073CD2 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (dslb-188-098-176-050.pools.arcor-ip.net [188.98.176.50]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69FB110D79A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:15:43 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-17.arcor-online.net 69FB110D79A Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q4SGFgBa018300 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:15:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4SGFgYl018299 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 May 2012 18:15:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1337890075.2709.16.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> <1337890494.2709.18.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> <1337892804.2709.20.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bash 4.2 patchlevel 28 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:46:04 -0000 Sean Bruno wrote: > > > VARIABLE="$(uname)" > > > bash: command substitution: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token > > > `)' > > > bash: command substitution: line 3: `uname)"' > > > > > At least that was easy. It's patch level 12. That's just the first patch that happens to touch parse.y. > Hrm ... and it also appears that if I use bison + m4 I don't have this > issue, but if I let the configure scripts use /usr/bin/yacc alone this > problem manifests itself. odd. The port specifically uses bison, so I don't know why you would force the use of yacc. And it's a well-known issue. If you run parse.y through yacc, it breaks. You must use bison. Upstream thinks it's a bug in yacc unless proven otherwise and so far nobody has figured out the details. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 17:12:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050BB106566B for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (mail.digital-infotech.net [41.211.25.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968548FC12 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33D82E40FE; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:12:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digital-infotech.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87131-07; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:12:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126C42E4002; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:12:24 +0000 (GMT) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 mail.digital-infotech.net 126C42E4002 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digital-infotech.net; s=digital; t=1338225144; bh=AjLUWeXTH50xelRQKC3mQX5E42G53yD6GZUBvtdxxbI=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:Reply-To; b=XfzEuT8Pij0jgkRER9jsJChrdniF/papr10aY3E/AHyvYQPIbvsezTdbpg0qfONMN 0hSBuZssMsDBWY+MQpDyYSmbRQP2dzTaIATtS0M+ul365cdjmD2JagKSX/yUCWo9RP li/0pAoPtIHERODrhOHzNv6seUb47OCp/dzVdp7I= Received: from 41.211.28.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) by mail.digital-infotech.net with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:12:24 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FC35F53.9030600@bsdinfo.com.br> References: <4FC33EEC.4040703@FreeBSD.org> <4FC35F53.9030600@bsdinfo.com.br> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:12:24 -0000 From: "Shiv. NK" To: "Marcelo Gondim" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Named Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:12:28 -0000 > Hi Shiv, > > Try to include this path in your /etc/crontab > > PATH=/etc:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin > > Its works for me when I use bash scripts in cron. :) > > Sorry my english :) Dear Gondim M. thanks you very much for your response. i appreciate your assistance, time and efforts to help. i will include the path in the script and update you tomorrow morning. Thanks / Regards From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 17:20:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97981065674; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FAD8FC17; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7B160EC; Mon, 28 May 2012 17:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6A7B78D54; Mon, 28 May 2012 19:20:03 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Jason Hellenthal References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:20:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> (Jason Hellenthal's message of "Sun, 27 May 2012 21:01:46 -0400") Message-ID: <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: stable@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, rdivacky@freebsd.org, miwi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:20:05 -0000 Jason Hellenthal writes: > Could someone MFC this to stable/8 please... Is unzip in stable/8 identical to unzip in head and stable/9? If not, this should be addressed first. Otherwise, there is a good chance that many ports will fail to build. 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[24.247.238.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id vx5sm6446270igb.6.2012.05.28.10.59.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 May 2012 10:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4SHxDIA033160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 May 2012 13:59:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4SHxDSh033159; Mon, 28 May 2012 13:59:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 13:59:13 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20120528175913.GC10333@DataIX.net> References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl1Ri9KV3JdNqQbd8z6b0GRZhR08T9ihrsnY/VDcpd+m5pSNKODF2A+H27Fc6Bq1GqXBUw/ Cc: stable@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, rdivacky@freebsd.org, miwi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:59:19 -0000 --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here is the unzip diff from stable/8 -> head On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 07:20:03PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Jason Hellenthal writes: > > Could someone MFC this to stable/8 please... > > Is unzip in stable/8 identical to unzip in head and stable/9? If not, > this should be addressed first. Otherwise, there is a good chance that > many ports will fail to build. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no -- - (2^(N-1)) --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="unzip.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Index: unzip.1 =================================================================== --- unzip.1 (.../stable/8/usr.bin/unzip) (revision 236186) +++ unzip.1 (.../head/usr.bin/unzip) (revision 236186) @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ .\"- -.\" Copyright (c) 2007-2008 Dag-Erling Coïdan Smørgrav +.\" Copyright (c) 2007-2008 Dag-Erling Smørgrav .\" All rights reserved. .\" .\" Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without @@ -38,7 +38,6 @@ .Ar zipfile .Sh DESCRIPTION .\" ... -.Pp The following options are available: .Bl -tag -width Fl .It Fl a @@ -121,6 +120,10 @@ and .Fl u may be specified. +If specified filename is +.Qq - , +then data is read from +.Va stdin . .Sh ENVIRONMENT If the .Ev UNZIP_DEBUG Index: unzip.c =================================================================== --- unzip.c (.../stable/8/usr.bin/unzip) (revision 236186) +++ unzip.c (.../head/usr.bin/unzip) (revision 236186) @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ /*- * Copyright (c) 2009 Joerg Sonnenberger - * Copyright (c) 2007-2008 Dag-Erling Coïdan Smørgrav + * Copyright (c) 2007-2008 Dag-Erling Smørgrav * All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without @@ -426,7 +426,7 @@ fprintf(stderr, "replace %s? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename: ", *path); - if (fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), stdin) == 0) { + if (fgets(buf, sizeof(buf), stdin) == NULL) { clearerr(stdin); printf("NULL\n(EOF or read error, " "treating as \"[N]one\"...)\n"); @@ -868,10 +868,14 @@ int fd, ret; uintmax_t total_size, file_count, error_count; - if ((fd = open(fn, O_RDONLY)) < 0) + if (strcmp(fn, "-") == 0) + fd = STDIN_FILENO; + else if ((fd = open(fn, O_RDONLY)) < 0) error("%s", fn); - a = archive_read_new(); + if ((a = archive_read_new()) == NULL) + error("archive_read_new failed"); + ac(archive_read_support_format_zip(a)); ac(archive_read_open_fd(a, fd, 8192)); @@ -929,7 +933,7 @@ ac(archive_read_close(a)); (void)archive_read_finish(a); - if (close(fd) != 0) + if (fd != STDIN_FILENO && close(fd) != 0) error("%s", fn); if (t_opt) { Index: Makefile =================================================================== --- Makefile (.../stable/8/usr.bin/unzip) (revision 236186) +++ Makefile (.../head/usr.bin/unzip) (revision 236186) @@ -1,7 +1,6 @@ # $FreeBSD$ PROG = unzip -WARNS ?= 6 CSTD = c99 DPADD = ${LIBARCHIVE} ${LIBZ} LDADD = -larchive -lz Index: . =================================================================== --- . (.../stable/8/usr.bin/unzip) (revision 236186) +++ . (.../head/usr.bin/unzip) (revision 236186) Property changes on: . ___________________________________________________________________ Deleted: svn:mergeinfo Reverse-merged /head/sys/usr.bin/unzip:r196863 Reverse-merged /head/usr.bin/unzip:r196045-201385,201387-207627,207842,207844,208320,212770,213738,213814,216591,223132,223152,223947,224271,224641,227006,227755,228857,230555,234206,235252 Reverse-merged /vendor/resolver/dist/usr.bin/unzip:r1540-186085 Reverse-merged /user/luigi/ipfw3-r8/usr.bin/unzip:r204833-205419 --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 20:47:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549A91065676 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 20:47:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@FreeBSD.org) Received: from m2.gritton.org (gritton.org [199.192.164.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2A48FC16 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 20:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from glorfindel.gritton.org (c-174-52-130-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [174.52.130.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by m2.gritton.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4SKle6s014140; Mon, 28 May 2012 14:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jamie@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <4FC3E46A.2050206@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:47:38 -0600 From: Jamie Gritton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mateusz Guzik References: <1337887134.1908.20.camel@mike-PC> <20120524212219.GA17579@dft-labs.eu> <1337897210.1908.24.camel@mike-PC> <20120524221353.GB17579@dft-labs.eu> <1337898015.1908.27.camel@mike-PC> <20120524223004.GC17579@dft-labs.eu> In-Reply-To: <20120524223004.GC17579@dft-labs.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mike Jakubik , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Jail startup/shutdown broken on latest 9-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 20:47:43 -0000 On 05/24/12 16:30, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 06:20:15PM -0400, Mike Jakubik wrote: >> On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 00:13 +0200, Mateusz Guzik wrote: >>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 06:06:50PM -0400, Mike Jakubik wrote: >>>> On Thu, 2012-05-24 at 23:22 +0200, Mateusz Guzik wrote: >>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 03:18:54PM -0400, Mike Jakubik wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> Latest 9-STABLE has introduced some changes that break the ezjail rc >>>>>> script. On bootup it fails to start, but when i log in via ssh and >>>>>> manually start it, it works. However i am unable to shut them down >>>>>> afterwards. >>>>>> >>>>> Try this: >>>>> http://student.agh.edu.pl/~mjguzik/patches/jail-startup-shutdown.patch >>>>> >>>>> cd /usr/src&& patch -p1< patch&& cd usr.sbin/jail&& make&& make install >>>>> >>>>> /usr/src/etc/rc.d/jail script can be just copied over. >>>>> >>>>> Note that your /var/run/jail_* files have broken content (some line from >>>>> /etc/rc's output instead of jail id). >>>>> >>>> >>>> Mateusz, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the patch, it fixes the startup issue on boot, however >>>> shutting down the jails still does not work. The /var/run files have >>>> garbage in them as you mentioned. >>>> >>>> root@jail.local:~# cat /var/run/jail_app.id >>>> /etc/rc: WARNING: $hostname is not set -- see rc.conf(5). >>>> >>>> >>>> Hostname is set in /etc/rc.conf. >>> >>> This message is about rc.conf from your jail. >>> >>> This should be fixed by my change to etc/rc.d/jail, are you sure that >>> you are running patched version? >>> >> >> Right, i just realized this. I set the hostname in the jailed rc.conf, >> now the file contains this: >> >> root@jail.local:~# cat /var/run/jail_app.id >> Setting hostname: app.local. >> >> I do not see a link to your jail rc.d script, just the patch. >> >> > > Patch contains two fixes, for both usr/sbin/jail and etc/rc.d/jail. > > Assuming that the patch is still applied to your source tree, just do: > cp /usr/src/etc/rc.d/jail /etc/rc.d/jail > > This fixes the jail script to actually store jail id instead of messages > from /etc/rc. > > That is, you should be able to stop jails started by new etc/rc.d/jail > script. I've fixed jail to print the jid first, so rc.d/jail doesn't need any updating. Well in CURRENT at least - MFCing soon. - Jamie From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 28 20:52:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9C1106564A for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 20:52:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (bizet.nethelp.no [195.1.209.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD2BB8FC14 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 20:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18585 invoked from network); 28 May 2012 20:52:33 -0000 Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (HELO localhost) (195.1.209.33) by bizet.nethelp.no with SMTP; 28 May 2012 20:52:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 22:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20120528.225233.74660707.sthaug@nethelp.no> To: kpneal@pobox.com From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: <20120528202120.GA35030@neutralgood.org> References: <1338158623.3702.5.camel@powernoodle-l7> <20120528202120.GA35030@neutralgood.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, seanbru@yahoo-inc.com Subject: Re: Dell R620 Ethernet Ordering X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 20:52:42 -0000 > Incidentally, does the broadcom driver in either 8 or 9 work for anyone? When I try > to use an 8 or 9 compiled in the past week I get unusable networking that bounces up > and down. I'm using an R620 with the quad-port broadcom daughtercard. I'm using several Dell servers with FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE and the bge driver. No problems that I can see. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 02:39:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB761106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:39:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from seanbru@yahoo-inc.com) Received: from mrout1-b.corp.bf1.yahoo.com (mrout1-b.corp.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.253.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759B78FC0A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (proxy6.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.48.19]) by mrout1-b.corp.bf1.yahoo.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/y.out) with ESMTP id q4T2dE5X021550; Mon, 28 May 2012 19:39:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=yahoo-inc.com; s=cobra; t=1338259155; bh=govVvLMVNqMPWdQBL0UbZBnayzjrI7iee0LOSI8z8Qs=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Date: Message-ID:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=miDw5iyW7U1jteHwS1/QChhWgGtJw7SADcne0CWc2vr7E65t8oNY8LCg8BYPSwkTs r48LO0hFhSl6YS6pBWdTdcMsVHS35tnRgK0gNYm4SHbnZN8QdiES5osI4qr1791jXQ FGRPVNtxBYpovmlLLT4yyc5c8/dqntG541hqwzCY= From: Sean Bruno To: "sthaug@nethelp.no" In-Reply-To: <20120528.225233.74660707.sthaug@nethelp.no> References: <1338158623.3702.5.camel@powernoodle-l7> <20120528202120.GA35030@neutralgood.org> <20120528.225233.74660707.sthaug@nethelp.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1338259080.3702.10.camel@powernoodle-l7> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Milter-Version: master.31+4-gbc07cd5+ X-CLX-ID: 259154000 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "kpneal@pobox.com" Subject: Re: Dell R620 Ethernet Ordering X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 02:39:36 -0000 On Mon, 2012-05-28 at 13:52 -0700, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > Incidentally, does the broadcom driver in either 8 or 9 work for anyone? When I try > > to use an 8 or 9 compiled in the past week I get unusable networking that bounces up > > and down. I'm using an R620 with the quad-port broadcom daughtercard. > > I'm using several Dell servers with FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE and the bge > driver. No problems that I can see. > You are using R620/720 machines with the 5720 add on board? If you are, can you post a verbose dmesg? Sean From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 02:49:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB80B106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:49:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691E18FC08 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SZCUp-000A3C-Lh for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:49:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:49:18 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: FreeBSD Stable User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 02:49:20 -0000 trying a clang buildworld and get a bunch of /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config/i386/i386.md:4249:29: warning: self-comparison always evaluates to false [-Wtautological-compare] && (TARGET_64BIT || DImode != DImode)) ^ 12 warnings generated. does not seem harmful, but cosmetically poor randy From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 02:49:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A2F106566C for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from AVShutko@mail.khstu.ru) Received: from ns.khstu.ru (ns1.khstu.ru [85.142.70.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEC48FC0A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.khstu.ru (mail2.khstu.ru [85.142.70.15]) by ns.khstu.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4T2ngNb029311 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:49:42 +1100 (VLAT) (envelope-from AVShutko@mail.khstu.ru) Received: from regress.domain.khstu.ru ([10.10.10.8]) by mail.khstu.ru with SMTP id 2012052913494254-3281 ; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:49:42 +1100 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:55:02 +1100 From: "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C1=CE=C4=D2_=F7._=FB=D5=D4=CB=CF?=" To: FreeBSD stable Message-Id: <20120529135502.febc8178.AVShutko@mail.khstu.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on mail.khstu.ru/Mail/Khstu/RU at 29.05.2012 13:49:42, Serialize by Router on mail.khstu.ru/Mail/Khstu/RU at 29.05.2012 13:49:42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (ns.khstu.ru [0.0.0.0]); Tue, 29 May 2012 13:49:42 +1100 (VLAT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE amd64 strange interrupts behavior X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 02:49:55 -0000 Hi, All. I can't get working Adaptec 6805 driver on 9.0 for unknown reason. I got Supermicro X8DTH-iF based server with two Xeon 5645 (6 cores x 2 thre= ads),=20 24Gb RAM, Adaptec sas 6805 raid. I downloaded 6805 driver code for FreeBSD = 8.3=20 from adaptec site and compiled it under fresh-installed FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE= (amd64),=20 kldloaded it and got hung and timeouts: aacu0: mem 0xf8c00000-0xf8ffffff,0xf8bbc000-0xf8b= bc7ff, 0xf8bbe000-0xf8bbe0ff irq 50 at device 0.0 on pci132 aacu0: Enable Raw I/O aacu0: Enable 64-bit array aacu0: New comm. interface type1 enabled ioapic2: routing intpin 2 (PCI IRQ 50) to lapic 0 vector 50 aacu0: Adaptec 6805, aac driver 2.4.2-18668 aacu0: Supported Options=3D141f1d7c aacd0: on aacu0 aacd0: 2860022MB (5857325056 sectors) GEOM: new disk aacd0 pci133: driver added pci134: driver added pci254: driver added pci255: driver added aacp0: on aacu0 aacp1: on aacu0 aacp2: on aacu0 pci0: driver added aacu0: COMMAND 0xffffff8001fd08e8 TIMEOUT AFTER 40 SECONDS aacu0: COMMAND 0xffffff8001fd0ac8 TIMEOUT AFTER 40 SECONDS aacu0: COMMAND 0xffffff8001fd0ca8 TIMEOUT AFTER 40 SECONDS aacu0: COMMAND 0xffffff8001fd0e88 TIMEOUT AFTER 40 SECONDS aacu0: COMMAND 0xffffff8001fd1068 TIMEOUT AFTER 40 SECONDS aacu0: COMMAND 0xffffff8001fd1248 TIMEOUT AFTER 40 SECONDS aacu0: COMMAND 0xffffff8001fd1428 TIMEOUT AFTER 40 SECONDS aacu0: COMMAND 0xffffff8001fd1608 TIMEOUT AFTER 40 SECONDS aacu0: COMMAND 0xffffff8001fd17e8 TIMEOUT AFTER 40 SECONDS ..... Then I installed 8.3, compiled driver and it started without any problem.=20 After that I cvsup-ed FreeBSD10 code (head, 28.05.2012), compiled it,=20 booted new kernel (set module=5Fpath/boot clang), compiled driver and it=20 kldloaded again without any error (raid6 2.8Tb disk read-write speed good, = no errors). Here is kernel 10 aacu driver dmesg lines: aacu0: mem 0xf8c00000-0xf8ffffff, 0xf8bbc000-0xf8bbc7ff,0xf8bbe000-0xf8bbe0ff irq 50 at device 0.0 on pci132 aacu0: Enable Raw I/O aacu0: Enable 64-bit array aacu0: New comm. interface type1 enabled ioapic2: routing intpin 2 (PCI IRQ 50) to lapic 33 vector 49 aacu0: Adaptec 6805, aac driver 2.4.2-18668 aacu0: Supported Options=3D141f1d7c aacd0 on aacu0 aacd0: 2860022MB (5857325056 sectors) GEOM: new disk aacd0 pci133: driver added pci134: driver added ...... The problem exists only under 9.0-RELEASE. Interrupts doesn't work for this= =20 device at all. Driver makes device initialization using sync requests and=20 then hungs on first async io waiting interrupt. Driver interrupts install code looks good: sc->aac=5Firq=5Frid =3D 0; if ((sc->aac=5Firq =3D bus=5Falloc=5Fresource=5Fany(sc->aac=5Fdev, SYS=5FRE= S=5FIRQ, &sc->aac=5Firq=5Frid, RF=5FSHAREABLE | RF=5FACTIVE)) = =3D=3D NULL) { device=5Fprintf(sc->aac=5Fdev, "can't allocate interrupt\n"= ); return (EINVAL); } if (sc->flags & AAC=5FFLAGS=5FNEW=5FCOMM=5FTYPE1) { if (bus=5Fsetup=5Fintr(sc->aac=5Fdev, sc->aac=5Firq, INTR=5FMPSAFE|INTR=5FTYPE=5FBIO, NULL,. aac=5Fnew=5Fintr=5Ftype1, sc, &sc->aac=5Fintr)) { device=5Fprintf(sc->aac=5Fdev, "can't set up interrupt\n"); return (EINVAL); } I added "panic" call at the beginning of interrupt handler=20 "aac=5Fnew=5Fintr=5Ftype1()" and found it never called during driver=20 initialization on 9.0. Is this 9.0-RELEASE bug or future ? --=20 =E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C1=CE=C4=D2 =F7. =FB=D5=D4=CB=CF = From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 02:51:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082A2106566C for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:51:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E068A8FC21 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SZCWj-000A3S-Dt for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 May 2012 02:51:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:51:16 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: FreeBSD Stable In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 02:51:18 -0000 > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config/i386/i386.md:4249:29: warning: self-comparison always evaluates to false [-Wtautological-compare] > && (TARGET_64BIT || DImode != DImode)) > ^ > 12 warnings generated. apologies. releng-9 just csupped randy From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 03:22:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7E7106564A; Tue, 29 May 2012 03:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from locore.org (ns01.locore.org [218.45.21.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726328FC0C; Tue, 29 May 2012 03:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (celeron.v4.locore.org [192.168.0.10]) by locore.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/iwasaki) with ESMTP/inet id q4T3MRxC055389; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:22:27 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:22:25 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20120529.122225.50336425.iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org> To: adrian@freebsd.org From: Mitsuru IWASAKI In-Reply-To: References: <20120526.181026.124546767.iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: iwasaki@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, jkim@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: STABLE/9 SMP ACPI suspend/resume - video mode not being restored X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 03:22:35 -0000 Hi, > Loading vesa didn't help. I think 80x25 and 80x30 were fine when > resuming, but 80x50/80x60 weren't. > > I'll try your patch today. If you have problems with screen saver, please try new patches. http://people.freebsd.org/~iwasaki/acpi/syscons-vesa-resume-20120529.diff Thanks From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 03:42:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C9A1065670 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 03:42:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF8B8FC0A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 03:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SZDK5-000A8k-D4 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 May 2012 03:42:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:42:16 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: FreeBSD Stable In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 03:42:18 -0000 and, for a bonus, clang buildworld ... /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config/i386/i386.md:196:14: note: use '=' to turn this equality comparison into an assignment (ix86_tune)) == ( ^~ = randy From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 03:47:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0214E106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 03:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1D88FC0C for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 03:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SZDPO-000A9Q-LY for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 May 2012 03:47:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:47:45 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: FreeBSD Stable In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 03:47:47 -0000 and if i try to follow http://wiki.freebsd.org/BuildingFreeBSDWithClang i do not see where the clang world and kernel are actually made the normal bootable. is the clang build for releng_9 for amd64 in good enough shape that i can simply csup hack make.conf make buildworld make kernel boot single make installworld mergemaster -cviFU reboot as if life was normal? randy From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 04:32:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB65310656E3 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:32:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6035D15275E; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FC45139.70108@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 21:31:53 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:32:02 -0000 On 5/28/2012 8:47 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > and if i try to follow http://wiki.freebsd.org/BuildingFreeBSDWithClang > i do not see where the clang world and kernel are actually made the > normal bootable. > > is the clang build for releng_9 for amd64 in good enough shape that i > can simply > csup > hack make.conf clean /usr/obj (I know you know this, but for the sake of the archive ....) > make buildworld > make kernel > boot single > make installworld > mergemaster -cviFU FYI, there is no reason to use -F and -U together. The latter is sufficient. The -F option is useful on a new install when the db for -U is not present. > reboot > > as if life was normal? Normal'ish. Personally, unless you have a specific reason to have a clang-built world, I would avoid the hassle. (Not to mention all the extra time that bootstrapping clang takes during buildworld.) Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 04:36:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140AD106566B; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E04114DBF9; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FC45234.90307@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 21:36:04 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Hellenthal References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120528175913.GC10333@DataIX.net> In-Reply-To: <20120528175913.GC10333@DataIX.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , stable@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, rdivacky@freebsd.org, miwi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:36:07 -0000 This needs more than diff-posting, it needs actual testing. By humans, and an -exp run. Since miwi is on the cc list, perhaps he can arrange it? Doug On 5/28/2012 10:59 AM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > > Here is the unzip diff from stable/8 -> head > > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 07:20:03PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> Jason Hellenthal writes: >>> Could someone MFC this to stable/8 please... >> >> Is unzip in stable/8 identical to unzip in head and stable/9? If not, >> this should be addressed first. Otherwise, there is a good chance that >> many ports will fail to build. -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 04:38:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4645F106566B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66388FC15 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so3437591wgb.31 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 21:38:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V2onSWuWWvtDU1ueU0Skcwx7ql68KEwuHwOOUHnqIwY=; b=CWdEOgPwj4Xe7jTK0FKGzTxSZ4XRAB6RikZSnvG6+fUZCuiU1VBZs8Fdb2Jpm/HvlW syQX1WeXJ9T5i/qEXNpoKUG/alpwY3pj/qXUNK3OHRF/OXFT2AZxi2eWSINcuM4S3HTW n1t/yRrLpexBGIJmTjiWB+h4sv2VG/aMomaewSOKuOhZVOP2EZB4MBFH5XKbWnaRetVU 1wIjKYYngofyHlquh1Ur8FLbVkkJqWlIc7LIidQpv1CAoiwRdV+E0NHPOweF1Bc3mdJL IvOL5aQii20TaisOAJLOwB6D7y6ULIGMJFbUNqKctHQF6v/nL4QNZ9IPCelum+s7Zb33 ACyw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.208.151 with SMTP id q23mr6541365weo.20.1338266321274; Mon, 28 May 2012 21:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.155.4 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 21:38:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120527171943.GA92629@rancor.immure.com> References: <20120526173535.GA87335@rancor.immure.com> <20120527171943.GA92629@rancor.immure.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 21:38:41 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Bob Willcox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: stable list Subject: Re: Problems trying to run X on Intel DH77DF System X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:38:48 -0000 On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Bob Willcox wrote: > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 10:02:42AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Bob Willcox wrote: >> > Hi All, >> > >> > I have a new Intel DH77DF mini-ITX motherboard with a Core i5 3550 CPU= and am >> > having trouble getting X to run. This is on a 9-STABLE system just upd= ated >> > today via cvsup. There appear to be two obvious problems: the first is= that X >> > will no longer start (it used to with about a two week older 9-stable = build); >> > and the second is that once I attempt to start X I seem to lose the co= nsole. >> > I'm left with a blue screen and am unable to switch to any other conso= le >> > (neither Alt-Fx nor Ctl-Alt-Fx do anything). The system is, however, s= till >> > running as I can login via the network. >> > >> > My 'uname -a' output is this: >> > >> > FreeBSD yoda 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #4: Fri May 25 20:36:02 CDT= 2012 ? ? bob@yoda:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/YODA ?amd64 >> > >> > I have attached my dmesg output, a copy of my xorg.conf file, and the = output >> > of 'pciconf -vl'. >> > >> > Anyone have any idea of what's going wrong, or what I can do to get X = to work >> > on this system? >> >> Are you using the KMS driver =A0(WITH_NEW_XORG)? > > I suspect not. Should I set that in /etc/make.conf? > >> Can you provide the Xorg.log? > > Attached. > >> >> As far as vty switching, that is yet to be implemented with KMS. > > Hmm, ok. I can live without that...just a pain. Well, vty switching with KMS is not an issue as you are not running the Intel-KMS driver. You are running the VESA driver and, from you logs, I suspect that VESA is broken on that system. I would suggest trying to start X with no xorg.conf, though. It often is the best choice these days. In any case, you probably do not want "AllowEmptyInput" "Off". See Warren Block's excellent write-up at http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html. It explains the correct thing to do, depending on whether you run hald or not. Try re-building Xorg drivers, xorg-server, graphics/libGL, graphics/libGLU graphics/libglut and graphics/libdrm with WITH_NEW_XORG=3DYES WITH_KMS=3DYES added to /etc/make.conf. Hopefully I didn't miss anything here.Take a look at the FreeBSD wiki page on the Intel GPU support project at http:wiki.freebsd.org/Intel_GPU, but it is rather old and currently being re-written, so a fair amount of the information is no longer relevant (like getting various versions of code as they are now committed to ports) and get the kernel patches for 9-Stable from https://docs.google.com/open?id=3D0BxbPi2OX4_B-bFd6djZYeU9uYVE Further instructions on the patch are in http://osdir.com/ml/freebsd-x11/2012-04/msg00052.html. --=20 R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 04:55:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6F810656D1; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miwi.freebsd@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603D98FC1F; Tue, 29 May 2012 04:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadv36 with SMTP id v36so5015207dad.13 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 21:55:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=B/j8pAfubvQab100LsN+QCVZG4KdmgVB99hjEZSw7w4=; b=SVFxOVFem3pvsiMABfeduTgcuahD//mh9AcWvzf9l+hsr/EhksC2uYLDfuCe1VFLoG ydZ6BfX/XAOE05LGEf6uLJGUEGstvVrZyDwxoHfPqwTaYeH9f/dEuAAHLiABhJsqiGO5 n9jKKcUvpguatDI+pdU+KRvRj1BHi46CiI9vj/RJKId4ITmIJKcEm8y6oU0NFcm8wHU8 x2BA/ndhkOULnGDDk+xjLAIGOxkbFsmDzm+VRPGjnq10skoROVtXibF9damDNY0TDz/l R6IJD1pYxmh5/exkUXnfWO9d+4iy/A1B1Ld8owKaYl20zSPN/TQAPmNDe/rQ4I4HUjZM BvkA== Received: by 10.68.226.193 with SMTP id ru1mr34221362pbc.79.1338267331957; Mon, 28 May 2012 21:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([175.142.170.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ph1sm21522766pbb.45.2012.05.28.21.55.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 May 2012 21:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Martin Wilke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1463\)) From: Martin Wilke In-Reply-To: <4FC45234.90307@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:55:24 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <713AA594-275B-44EE-9B3B-EF2E09A502A4@freebsd.org> References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120528175913.GC10333@DataIX.net> <4FC45234.90307@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1463) Cc: stable@freebsd.org, Martin Wilke , rdivacky@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:55:32 -0000 Hi, Yes I can do that. +-----------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+ With best Regards, Martin Wilke (miwi_(at)_FreeBSD.org) Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest On May 29, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > This needs more than diff-posting, it needs actual testing. By humans, > and an -exp run. Since miwi is on the cc list, perhaps he can arrange = it? >=20 > Doug >=20 >=20 > On 5/28/2012 10:59 AM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: >>=20 >> Here is the unzip diff from stable/8 -> head >>=20 >> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 07:20:03PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav = wrote: >>> Jason Hellenthal writes: >>>> Could someone MFC this to stable/8 please... >>>=20 >>> Is unzip in stable/8 identical to unzip in head and stable/9? If = not, >>> this should be addressed first. Otherwise, there is a good chance = that >>> many ports will fail to build. >=20 > --=20 >=20 > This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 06:39:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B731065670 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:39:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamebus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1495D8FC1B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so3124717lbo.13 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:39:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=OI8y/6VaSnCs7piqFPmixsFMG6T7Wq8+20wOjZptpvs=; b=0qB6awYew5YXldZzwhETOCVs4SDj7Jot9EbCNabsH5eDTxCK3RlNR1IEMvQoBKH5ew D5P0BAtYXtvXyfKV38zw5zg1UiHFYtzNzRyRsIDPGrsHhiyMurhlfl6HjWaAHzbdZ1S7 lGLxNUewxOR6aAWHUfEYwDrRBxwUUniWCZMsjwS91pNdu/zXBpqw34JeMD3hzWTuWJMg YCbVn3XWW1hxRPMkfsV4JZ1WnP2Q9D8j+aLemfH+d2D36SfHJlYbOLEgp3H+Zf8WVDWG WoDGvb89vEcFjKPhBPhoUsyevd7xT4d+B5KMqUgAD5ATNhWl/4b2wUvlTXyeqN/28Bca 3XhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.28.226 with SMTP id e2mr4762444lbh.96.1338273559780; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: jamebus@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.86.201 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 01:39:19 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: F3hN6PnD4kNc6NxSwwdCTU0ZjvE Message-ID: From: James To: FreeBSD Stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Possible Clang regression - object files are always mode 0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:39:21 -0000 Hi all. I've come across a possible Clang regression that recently crept into stable/9. I'd like to check to see whether it's a true bug or if I jacked something up. It appears all object files are created with mode 0600 rather than honoring umask. This breaks installworld for me. I use a centralized src/obj over NFS configuration and installing to the target system fails with a permission denied error. Using obj/[SNIP]/src/cddl/lib/drti as an example: Clang: -rw-r--r-- 1 jjk users 7731 May 24 15:05 .depend -rw------- 1 jjk users 8496 May 24 15:05 drti.o GCC: -rw-r--r-- 1 jjk users 7731 May 24 20:54 .depend -rw-r--r-- 1 jjk users 8808 May 24 20:54 drti.o I tested on May 24th (with 3.1 prerelease MFC) as well as the 3.1 release after it was MFC'd on Sunday. TIA! -- James. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 06:39:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF57D10657B7 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (bizet.nethelp.no [195.1.209.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 108448FC0C for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 43066 invoked from network); 29 May 2012 06:39:44 -0000 Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (HELO localhost) (195.1.209.33) by bizet.nethelp.no with SMTP; 29 May 2012 06:39:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:39:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20120529.083944.74710736.sthaug@nethelp.no> To: seanbru@yahoo-inc.com From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: <1338259080.3702.10.camel@powernoodle-l7> References: <20120528202120.GA35030@neutralgood.org> <20120528.225233.74660707.sthaug@nethelp.no> <1338259080.3702.10.camel@powernoodle-l7> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, kpneal@pobox.com Subject: Re: Dell R620 Ethernet Ordering X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:39:46 -0000 > > I'm using several Dell servers with FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE and the bge > > driver. No problems that I can see. > > > > You are using R620/720 machines with the 5720 add on board? Sorry, my servers are slightly older Dell servers. No R620/720. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 06:46:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60119106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:46:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from tensor.andric.com (tensor.andric.com [87.251.56.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196B38FC14 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:7b8:3a7:0:1966:3960:5466:61dc] (unknown [IPv6:2001:7b8:3a7:0:1966:3960:5466:61dc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tensor.andric.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29F915C59; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:46:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FC470C7.5080700@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:46:31 +0200 From: Dimitry Andric Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120522 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:46:33 -0000 On 2012-05-29 04:49, Randy Bush wrote:> trying a clang buildworld and get a bunch of > > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/config/i386/i386.md:4249:29: warning: self-comparison always evaluates to false [-Wtautological-compare] > && (TARGET_64BIT || DImode != DImode)) > ^ > 12 warnings generated. > > does not seem harmful, but cosmetically poor These are all warnings in gcc code that can be safely ignored. They will (most likely) never be fixed. If you're bothered a lot by them, we could crank down WARNS= for the gcc builds. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 06:46:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA49F1065680 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBC28FC08 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so8567803obc.13 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=rikeAN5f4WCBTzO3X8+ndxRmZAxnB34GkcTIvJI1J04=; b=phdj2nReei9LS/+30yOMmsw1CkGL8Q1gYuQLRKVnOav11VPYFlvwBxWG2iq3/mDEVY r+GN5+Wzmd12Z9HOrm17yibB3vU0GfGMU9xBUb7bqWHY+zchrQI4Om4lfo40jYs1nQJd +JrMyAY/Lhj7SxHZE5ZpvP/SSro40UQDu0ghjdAk12Y85UQExKttWmbjLXhiNCYemqpk N/YPxUQ39Ih/n0Bb8ydtDF9Cnm3G+Z49qe8NqOgGXggnXRthNaknG/k+gBe5TZDFOo89 lPb0HrZg0UdGy50RLJr5xg2meM/yqJrjoPsCKXn4cY1TzePNvD6Ct/4DSFwWotVZgQ3A Hbww== Received: by 10.60.14.68 with SMTP id n4mr10065137oec.24.1338274008758; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:46:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.171.84 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:46:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Manuel Trujillo (TooManySecrets)" Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:46:28 +0200 Message-ID: To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmFQVXp/sdM/jKtpHtwyqOpeAkkDFTRC2JQZsdwJiqlMyIwUqyqlcXrHLYP3WXIzaQik7vl Subject: Re: Problem with sub-path (or sub-url) in smbfs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:46:49 -0000 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Manuel Trujillo (TooManySecrets) wrote: > The windows server at office have a large path to the shares (sub-path), = e.g. > > //teide/recursos/usuarios/myuser > > where "recursos" is a share, and inside it, "myuser" is another share > from "usuarios" (users). > > This runs fine in any linux. In FreeBSD this is my fstab entry: > > //mtrujillo@teide/recursos/usuarios/myuser /media/personal > smbfs =C2=A0 noauto,rw,-u=3Dmyuser,-g=3Dmyuser,-N 0 0 > > I have also an /etc/nsmb.conf configured. All runs fine... except > because I only can mount up to "recursos" (from the line > teide/recursos/usuarios/myuser), and NOT the share "myuser" (the last > part of the PATH). Anybody could help me with this or redirect me to the adequated list, pleas= e? Thank you very much. --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ Have a nice day=C2=A0 ;-) TooManySecrets /"\=C2=A0=C2=A0 ASCII Ribbon Campaign=C2=A0 | FreeBSD Since 4.1 \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail=C2=A0 | GNU/Linux Since 1993. =C2=A0X=C2=A0 - NO Word docs in e-mail | OpenBSD User / \=C2=A0 - http://www.toomany.net | http://twitter.com/toomanysecrets ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 07:09:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEC61065676; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7047A8FC08; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nskntcmgw08p ([61.9.169.168]) by nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120529070929.BFIT24726.nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw08p>; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:09:29 +0000 Received: from hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au ([58.172.112.105]) by nskntcmgw08p with BigPond Outbound id Fj9U1j00N2GVmci01j9V83; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:09:29 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=T/cOvo2Q c=1 sm=1 a=0GO/22z+lHYfckWJ4naYnw==:17 a=twTT4oUKOlYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GHIR_BbyAAAA:8 a=lNKMvoqVF59USf-t1DEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=0GO/22z+lHYfckWJ4naYnw==:117 Received: from white (white.hs [10.0.5.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (8.14.5/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q4T75du7094853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 May 2012 17:05:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) From: "Dewayne Geraghty" To: "'Doug Barton'" , "'Randy Bush'" References: <4FC45139.70108@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:05:39 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4FC45139.70108@FreeBSD.org> Thread-Index: Ac09YQIawcKN/839QHaYjcdoj2pl/QABchOA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Cc: 'FreeBSD Stable' Subject: RE: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:09:32 -0000 Good point Doug, I guess the choice between a clang 3.1 and gcc 4.2.1 world/kernel is pending a performance profile comparison. The performance comparison using specific applications (ports) indicates some improvement of gcc 4.6 over 4.2 and certainly gains when openMP is advantageous. Regards, Dewayne. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 07:33:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEA4106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:33:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17ABC8FC1C for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4T7XG83036844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 May 2012 08:33:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q4T7XG83036844 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q4T7XG83036844; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <4FC47BB5.7000204@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:33:09 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9C82DC462D7786726DF0637A" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:33:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9C82DC462D7786726DF0637A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 29/05/2012 04:47, Randy Bush wrote: > is the clang build for releng_9 for amd64 in good enough shape that i > can simply > csup > hack make.conf > make buildworld > make kernel > boot single > make installworld > mergemaster -cviFU > reboot >=20 > as if life was normal? Pace Doug's comments on how to use mergemaster, this works for me. I run my main server compiled with clang. However, it isn't under any sort of load and I haven't done any sort of performance analysis so I don't know if I'd consider clang on a high performance server at the mome= nt. Most ports compile very well using clang, but there are exceptions. Not so many though as to preclude using clang as the default compiler for por= ts. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig9C82DC462D7786726DF0637A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/Ee7sACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyGYQCfV8H1kTxILWPzXVf4wzkTOh4g 1IUAoJRJZ2vO+mlu5DPYKCzcWvCOXETN =6Clq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9C82DC462D7786726DF0637A-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 07:37:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57106106568F; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:37:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A9C8FC26; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id C728062ED; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6CDF78E75; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:37:08 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Doug Barton References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120528175913.GC10333@DataIX.net> <4FC45234.90307@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:37:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4FC45234.90307@FreeBSD.org> (Doug Barton's message of "Mon, 28 May 2012 21:36:04 -0700") Message-ID: <86obp7780r.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: stable@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, rdivacky@freebsd.org, miwi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:37:10 -0000 Doug Barton writes: > This needs more than diff-posting, it needs actual testing. By humans, > and an -exp run. Since miwi is on the cc list, perhaps he can arrange > it? No -exp run required. This code is already in use in head and 9 and has been for ages - two and a half years, to be exact. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 07:38:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68C1106566C; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kozlov@ravenloft.kiev.ua) Received: from ravenloft.kiev.ua (ravenloft.kiev.ua [94.244.131.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787468FC1A; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:38:01 +0300 From: Alex Kozlov To: Martin Wilke Message-ID: <20120529073801.GA66129@ravenloft.kiev.ua> References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120528175913.GC10333@DataIX.net> <4FC45234.90307@FreeBSD.org> <713AA594-275B-44EE-9B3B-EF2E09A502A4@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <713AA594-275B-44EE-9B3B-EF2E09A502A4@freebsd.org> Cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , stable@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, rdivacky@freebsd.org, Martin Wilke Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:38:02 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:55:24PM +0800, Martin Wilke wrote: > Yes I can do that. It doesn't make sense to do exp-run before libarchive 3.04 MFV and premission patch for unzip will be commited. To many ports failures. > > +-----------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------+ > With best Regards, > Martin Wilke (miwi_(at)_FreeBSD.org) > > Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest > > On May 29, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > > > This needs more than diff-posting, it needs actual testing. By humans, > > and an -exp run. Since miwi is on the cc list, perhaps he can arrange it? > > > > Doug > > > > > > On 5/28/2012 10:59 AM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > >> > >> Here is the unzip diff from stable/8 -> head > >> > >> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 07:20:03PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > >>> Jason Hellenthal writes: > >>>> Could someone MFC this to stable/8 please... > >>> > >>> Is unzip in stable/8 identical to unzip in head and stable/9? If not, > >>> this should be addressed first. Otherwise, there is a good chance that > >>> many ports will fail to build. -- Alex From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 07:41:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782581065676; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCD08FC1B; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SZH3I-000AZK-KR; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:41:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:41:11 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <4FC47BB5.7000204@FreeBSD.org> References: <4FC47BB5.7000204@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:41:13 -0000 >> is the clang build for releng_9 for amd64 in good enough shape that i >> can simply >> csup >> hack make.conf >> make buildworld >> make kernel >> boot single >> make installworld >> mergemaster -cviFU >> reboot this did work. i am now doing a portupgrade to see if i can break things. randy From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 07:48:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB041065696; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA048FC0A; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECA162FB; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F3C988E78; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:47:59 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Doug Barton References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120528175913.GC10333@DataIX.net> <4FC45234.90307@FreeBSD.org> <86obp7780r.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:47:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86obp7780r.fsf@ds4.des.no> ("Dag-Erling =?utf-8?Q?Sm=C3=B8rg?= =?utf-8?Q?rav=22's?= message of "Tue, 29 May 2012 09:37:08 +0200") Message-ID: <86k3zv77io.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: stable@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, rdivacky@freebsd.org, miwi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:48:01 -0000 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > No -exp run required. This code is already in use in head and 9 and has > been for ages - two and a half years, to be exact. To clarify: - usr.bin/unzip was hooked up to the build in head in December 2009, long before 9 was branched, so 9.0 shipped with it. - stable/8 has the same libarchive as stable/9. - I MFCed all outstanding changes yesterday, so stable/8 has the same unzip as stable/9. The only functional changes were a missing error check and support for reading the zipfile from stdin. - I also MFCed the Makefile change yesterday, so stable/8 now installs usr.bin/unzip. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 07:57:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB44F106566B; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC1414DE15; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FC48153.9070204@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 00:57:07 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120528175913.GC10333@DataIX.net> <4FC45234.90307@FreeBSD.org> <86obp7780r.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86obp7780r.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, rdivacky@freebsd.org, miwi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:57:08 -0000 On 5/29/2012 12:37 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Doug Barton writes: >> This needs more than diff-posting, it needs actual testing. By humans, >> and an -exp run. Since miwi is on the cc list, perhaps he can arrange >> it? > > No -exp run required. This code is already in use in head and 9 and has > been for ages - two and a half years, to be exact. I saw your followup, and I think you're probably right ... the problem is that there are some things in the ports tree that are conditional on OSVERSION, so the fact that it works on HEAD and 9 doesn't necessarily mean that it will work in 8. If you've already done the MFC that should be fine. If I were miwi I'd still schedule the -exp run, but I'm not the boss of him. :) Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 08:11:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C217106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8D38FC08 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4T81dnM014858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 11:01:39 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC48263.8050104@digsys.bg> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:01:39 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> In-Reply-To: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:11:41 -0000 According to the unzip(1) man page on 9-stable: HISTORY The unzip utility appeared in FreeBSD 8.0. So possibly the man page needs to be fixed as well. Daniel From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 08:24:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF251065672; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73A78FC12; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([58.172.112.105]) by nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120529082438.MPFE24726.nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com>; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:24:38 +0000 Received: from hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au ([58.172.112.105]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120529082438.LYJU2714.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au>; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:24:38 +0000 Received: from white (white.hs [10.0.5.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (8.14.5/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q4T8LVqB098805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 May 2012 18:21:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) From: "Dewayne Geraghty" To: "'Matthew Seaman'" , "'Randy Bush'" References: <4FC47BB5.7000204@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:21:31 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4FC47BB5.7000204@FreeBSD.org> Thread-Index: Ac09ba0wmEZuk7n6S82TnrihaeTwkQABUUSw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-SIH-MSG-ID: qR86FNL+TAD0zmQv0WC2O1J3yArnq3Mt8ZoaRdJjqwQZTUTduMHbU67mJrM8kMf21jdcNhKPPGUqYKT0X4/QsOM= Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RE: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:24:40 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Seaman > Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2012 5:33 PM > To: Randy Bush > Cc: FreeBSD Stable > Subject: Re: clang tautology > > On 29/05/2012 04:47, Randy Bush wrote: > > is the clang build for releng_9 for amd64 in good enough > shape that i > > can simply > > csup > > hack make.conf > > make buildworld > > make kernel > > boot single > > make installworld > > mergemaster -cviFU > > reboot > > > > as if life was normal? > > Pace Doug's comments on how to use mergemaster, this works > for me. I run my main server compiled with clang. However, > it isn't under any sort of load and I haven't done any sort > of performance analysis so I don't know if I'd consider clang > on a high performance server at the moment. > > Most ports compile very well using clang, but there are > exceptions. Not so many though as to preclude using clang as > the default compiler for ports. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey > > > Mark Linimon is monitoring the status of ports and clang at http://blog.vx.sk/archives/25-FreeBSD-Compiler-Benchmark-gcc-base-vs-gcc-po rts-vs-clang.html Which might save you some work. FYI: This is a little dated and predates the recently committed clang v3.1 http://blog.vx.sk/archives/25-FreeBSD-Compiler-Benchmark-gcc-base-vs-gcc-po rts-vs-clang.html Regards, Dewayne. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 08:31:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4E0106566B; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4DC8FC12; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SZHqE-000Aeq-P8; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:31:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:31:45 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Dewayne Geraghty" In-Reply-To: References: <4FC47BB5.7000204@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, 'Matthew Seaman' Subject: Re: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:31:47 -0000 > Mark Linimon is monitoring the status of ports and clang at > http://blog.vx.sk/archives/25-FreeBSD-Compiler-Benchmark-gcc-base-vs-gcc-ports-vs-clang.html > Which might save you some work. looks like benchmarks, not status of compilability/runability randy From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 08:42:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240B4106566B; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D459E8FC0A; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00DE632D; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 773A68E86; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:42:43 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Doug Barton References: <20120526202432.GA265@DataIX.net> <20120528010146.GA40399@DataIX.net> <86r4u4b4u4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20120528175913.GC10333@DataIX.net> <4FC45234.90307@FreeBSD.org> <86obp7780r.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4FC48153.9070204@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:42:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4FC48153.9070204@FreeBSD.org> (Doug Barton's message of "Tue, 29 May 2012 00:57:07 -0700") Message-ID: <86bol774zg.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: stable@freebsd.org, ed@freebsd.org, rdivacky@freebsd.org, miwi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/bin/unzip not being installed on 8.3-STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:42:45 -0000 Doug Barton writes: > I saw your followup, and I think you're probably right ... the problem > is that there are some things in the ports tree that are conditional on > OSVERSION, so the fact that it works on HEAD and 9 doesn't necessarily > mean that it will work in 8. Well, actually, ports will *never* use the base system unzip: .if defined(USE_ZIP) EXTRACT_DEPENDS+=3D ${LOCALBASE}/bin/unzip:${PORTSDIR}/archivers/unzip .endif [...] UNZIP_CMD?=3D ${LOCALBASE}/bin/unzip I thought they did, but I guess I must have forgotten to submit the patch I have in my tree: --- bsd.commands.mk 23 May 2012 08:17:48 -0000 1.11 +++ bsd.commands.mk 25 May 2012 08:32:36 -0000 @@ -89,7 +89,11 @@ UMOUNT?=3D /sbin/umount UNAME?=3D /usr/bin/uname UNMAKESELF_CMD?=3D ${LOCALBASE}/bin/unmakeself +.if exists(/usr/bin/unzip) +UNZIP_CMD?=3D /usr/bin/unzip +.else UNZIP_CMD?=3D ${LOCALBASE}/bin/unzip +.endif WHICH?=3D /usr/bin/which XARGS?=3D /usr/bin/xargs XMKMF?=3D ${LOCALBASE}/bin/xmkmf -a which causes the ports tree to *use* the base unzip but does not remove the dependency on the port; for that, you need something like this: --- bsd.port.mk 24 May 2012 07:11:40 -0000 1.711 +++ bsd.port.mk 29 May 2012 08:38:43 -0000 @@ -1639,7 +1639,7 @@ =20 .if defined(PATCHFILES) .if ${PATCHFILES:M*.zip}x !=3D x -PATCH_DEPENDS+=3D ${LOCALBASE}/bin/unzip:${PORTSDIR}/archivers/unzip +PATCH_DEPENDS+=3D unzip:${PORTSDIR}/archivers/unzip .endif .endif =20 @@ -1678,7 +1678,7 @@ .endif =20 .if defined(USE_ZIP) -EXTRACT_DEPENDS+=3D ${LOCALBASE}/bin/unzip:${PORTSDIR}/archivers/unzip +EXTRACT_DEPENDS+=3D unzip:${PORTSDIR}/archivers/unzip .endif .if defined(USE_XZ) && ( (${OSVERSION} >=3D 900000 && ${OSVERSION} < 90001= 2) || ${OSVERSION} < 800505 ) EXTRACT_DEPENDS+=3D ${LOCALBASE}/bin/xz:${PORTSDIR}/archivers/xz It is probably safe to *always* use the base system unzip (i.e. not set {EXTRACT,PATCH}_DEPENDS at all) on 9.0 and newer, but that would definitely require an exp run. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 09:39:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05C7106566C; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A848FC0C; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com ([58.172.112.105]) by nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120529093948.RFU2821.nschwmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com>; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:39:48 +0000 Received: from hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au ([58.172.112.105]) by nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120529093948.QWJW1687.nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au>; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:39:48 +0000 Received: from white (white.hs [10.0.5.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (8.14.5/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q4T9bFHW002315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 29 May 2012 19:37:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) From: "Dewayne Geraghty" To: "'Matthew Seaman'" , "'Randy Bush'" References: <4FC47BB5.7000204@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:37:14 +1000 Message-ID: <2DC71FC13BFD4959B9EC940121CECFC3@white> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac09ba0wmEZuk7n6S82TnrihaeTwkQABUUSwAAKNq6A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rxs1GNb4TAD0zmQv0WC2O1J3yArnq3Mt8ZoaRdJjqwQZTUTduMHbU67mJrM8kMf21jdcNhOPPWgqZ6T0X4/QsOM= Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RE: clang tautology X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:39:50 -0000 My apologies, I clearly didn't copy the url from the right buffer, Mark Linimon's Ports & Clang wiki is at http://wiki.freebsd.org/PortsAndClang Dewayne From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 14:28:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2D2106564A; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@yamagi.org) Received: from mail.yamagi.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:4f8:121:2102:1::7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF498FC18; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy.home.yamagi.org (hmbg-4d068b66.pool.mediaWays.net [77.6.139.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yamagi.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0D46D1666334; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:28:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:28:02 +0200 From: Yamagi Burmeister To: avg@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20120529162802.9b809969.lists@yamagi.org> In-Reply-To: <4FC0A3A1.80200@FreeBSD.org> References: <1337319129.2915.4.camel@powernoodle-l7> <4FB6765A.2050307@FreeBSD.org> <1337710214.2916.8.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> <20120525163653.b61a08e2.lists@yamagi.org> <4FBFA9A9.7020806@FreeBSD.org> <4FBFBD39.7000105@FreeBSD.org> <4FBFDFFB.9020501@FreeBSD.org> <4FBFE624.1020208@FreeBSD.org> <20120526090233.f638c1d2.lists@yamagi.org> <4FC0A3A1.80200@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.4 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Tue__29_May_2012_16_28_02_+0200_obMajNhDVGJ/mkhy" Cc: sbruno@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, seanbru@yahoo-inc.com, jkim@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [stable 9] broken hwpstate calls X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:28:21 -0000 --Signature=_Tue__29_May_2012_16_28_02_+0200_obMajNhDVGJ/mkhy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 26 May 2012 12:34:25 +0300 Andriy Gapon wrote: > >>> if we decide so, then I think that we could still keep the things=20 > >>> "simple". As we currently use the "wholesale" approach (all CPUs are > >>> set to the same P-state regardless of topology), then we could first > >>> make a pass of writing the MSR on all processors with a new P-state > >>> value and then make another pass of checking via MSR C001_0063 that t= he > >>> P-state is acquired. > >>=20 > >> No, I believe checking MSRC001_0071[18:16] is much simpler if it works. > >> And it does not break current cpufreq(4) design principles. One potential problem with MSRC001_0071[18:16] is, that it's on older CPUs supported by hwpstate it's the same as C001_0063. Only on newer models with "turbo" it containts the actual "hardware p-state". So additional logic would be required: 1. Set new p-state 2. Check CPUID for support of "hardware p-states" 3.1 If yes, read MSRC001_0071[18:16] and convert the "hardware p-state" into a "software p-state" 3.2 If not, just read MSRC001_0071[18:16] 4. Compare read (and converted) p-state to the requested p-state I don't think that it's worth this additional efford. The solution suggest by Andriy Gapon is trivial, works fine and is supported by all CPUs supported by hwpstate. > I believe the approach that I suggested to be so trivial to implement (an= d also > correct) that here is a patch: >=20 > diff --git a/sys/x86/cpufreq/hwpstate.c b/sys/x86/cpufreq/hwpstate.c > index 40e1943..9c17a41 100644 > --- a/sys/x86/cpufreq/hwpstate.c > +++ b/sys/x86/cpufreq/hwpstate.c > @@ -186,16 +186,21 @@ hwpstate_goto_pstate(device_t dev, int pstate) > id, PCPU_GET(cpuid)); > /* Go To Px-state */ > wrmsr(MSR_AMD_10H_11H_CONTROL, id); > + } > + CPU_FOREACH(i) { > + /* Bind to each cpu. */ > + thread_lock(curthread); > + sched_bind(curthread, i); > + thread_unlock(curthread); > /* wait loop (100*100 usec is enough ?) */ > for(j =3D 0; j < 100; j++){ > + /* get the result. not assure msr=3Did */ > msr =3D rdmsr(MSR_AMD_10H_11H_STATUS); > if(msr =3D=3D id){ > break; > } > DELAY(100); > } > - /* get the result. not assure msr=3Did */ > - msr =3D rdmsr(MSR_AMD_10H_11H_STATUS); > HWPSTATE_DEBUG(dev, "result P%d-state on cpu%d\n", > (int)msr, PCPU_GET(cpuid)); > if (msr !=3D id) { I can confirm, that this patchs works on a "Bulldozer" CPU and on an old Phenom II "Deneb".=20 --=20 Homepage: www.yamagi.org XMPP: yamagi@yamagi.org GnuPG/GPG: 0xEFBCCBCB --Signature=_Tue__29_May_2012_16_28_02_+0200_obMajNhDVGJ/mkhy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/E3PkACgkQWTjlg++8y8s/VQCeKNdKv2O2DBlA73w4PASCaFhM i+QAnjtnUvqSb0raeyLfxcnvouNGqym/ =xbp5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Tue__29_May_2012_16_28_02_+0200_obMajNhDVGJ/mkhy-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 16:27:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C082E1065670 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:27:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (m209-73.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.209.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913B88FC12 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4TGR276023805; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@albert.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4TGR1P8023802; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:27:01 -0700 From: David Wolfskill To: James Message-ID: <20120529162701.GZ1509@albert.catwhisker.org> Mail-Followup-To: David Wolfskill , James , FreeBSD Stable References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NJ3GtppTlf/130kA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: Possible Clang regression - object files are always mode 0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:27:02 -0000 --NJ3GtppTlf/130kA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:39:19AM -0500, James wrote: > Hi all. I've come across a possible Clang regression that recently > crept into stable/9. I'd like to check to see whether it's a true bug > or if I jacked something up. It appears all object files are created > with mode 0600 rather than honoring umask. This breaks installworld > for me. I use a centralized src/obj over NFS configuration and > installing to the target system fails with a permission denied error. Hmmm... yeah, that could cause a bit of hassle for me, as well. Checking a FreeBSD/i386 stable/9 /usr/obj as of r236226, I see 16544 files with permission 0600 and 710 files that have something else (typically, 0644): d134(9.0-S)[6] find . -type f -name \*.o \! -perm 0600 -ls | wc -l 710 d134(9.0-S)[7] find . -type f -name \*.o -perm 0600 -ls | wc -l 16544 d134(9.0-S)[8] find . -type f -name \*.o \! -perm 0600 -ls | head 2075139 12 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6016= May 25 05:10 ./tmp/usr/lib/dtrace/drti.o 2072994 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 829= May 24 12:00 ./tmp/usr/lib/crti.o 2072995 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 785= May 24 12:00 ./tmp/usr/lib/crtn.o 2072996 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2014= May 24 12:00 ./tmp/usr/lib/gcrt1.o 2072997 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1848= May 24 12:00 ./tmp/usr/lib/crt1.o 2072998 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2004= May 24 12:00 ./tmp/usr/lib/Scrt1.o 2072999 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1628= May 24 12:00 ./tmp/usr/lib/crtbegin.o 2073000 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1252= May 24 12:00 ./tmp/usr/lib/crtend.o 2072980 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1968= May 24 12:00 ./tmp/usr/lib/crtbeginT.o 2072981 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1864= May 24 12:00 ./tmp/usr/lib/crtbeginS.o d134(9.0-S)[9] find . -type f -name \*.o -perm 0600 -ls | head 2472960 20 -rw------- 1 root wheel 9984= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/cond.o 2472961 8 -rw------- 1 root wheel 2456= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/buf.o 2472962 20 -rw------- 1 root wheel 9296= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/dir.o 2472963 24 -rw------- 1 root wheel 11924= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/arch.o 2472964 8 -rw------- 1 root wheel 2352= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/hash.o 2472966 12 -rw------- 1 root wheel 4188= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/for.o 2472965 4 -rw------- 1 root wheel 1588= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/hash_tables.o 2472967 60 -rw------- 1 root wheel 29844= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/job.o 2472968 40 -rw------- 1 root wheel 19964= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/main.o 2472970 12 -rw------- 1 root wheel 6096= May 29 04:27 ./make.i386/usr/src/usr.bin/make/make.o d134(9.0-S)[10]=20 So I won't claim "always mode 0600," but it looks like enough to be annoying. :-} I'm pretty sure I didn't change anything relevent from how I build with gcc (on a different slice). Peace, david --=20 David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. --NJ3GtppTlf/130kA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/E+NQACgkQmprOCmdXAD1JtgCbBsvERoBhadaE3P1A6Da3Imwa u/gAn3AuPIs9utMXh17Z+wb+co0rugpa =P3Mg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NJ3GtppTlf/130kA-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 16:59:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3142B106566B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:59:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dimitry@andric.com) Received: from tensor.andric.com (tensor.andric.com [87.251.56.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0118FC0C for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:7b8:3a7:0:1966:3960:5466:61dc] (unknown [IPv6:2001:7b8:3a7:0:1966:3960:5466:61dc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tensor.andric.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D352B5C59; Tue, 29 May 2012 18:59:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FC50065.3030201@andric.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:59:17 +0200 From: Dimitry Andric User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120522 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wolfskill , James , FreeBSD Stable References: <20120529162701.GZ1509@albert.catwhisker.org> In-Reply-To: <20120529162701.GZ1509@albert.catwhisker.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Possible Clang regression - object files are always mode 0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:59:26 -0000 On 2012-05-29 18:27, David Wolfskill wrote: > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:39:19AM -0500, James wrote: >> Hi all. I've come across a possible Clang regression that recently >> crept into stable/9. I'd like to check to see whether it's a true bug >> or if I jacked something up. It appears all object files are created >> with mode 0600 rather than honoring umask. Just so you know, this is indeed a regression that has crept into clang, and even into the 3.1 release. :( I'm working on fixing it in head, then I will merge the fix to stable/9 in a few days. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 17:03:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28972106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (m209-73.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.209.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BC28FC16 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from albert.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4TH30XF025373; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@albert.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by albert.catwhisker.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4TH302q025372; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:03:00 -0700 From: David Wolfskill To: Dimitry Andric Message-ID: <20120529170300.GB1509@albert.catwhisker.org> Mail-Followup-To: David Wolfskill , Dimitry Andric , FreeBSD Stable References: <20120529162701.GZ1509@albert.catwhisker.org> <4FC50065.3030201@andric.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T0u6oYl84yPn00Od" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC50065.3030201@andric.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: Possible Clang regression - object files are always mode 0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:03:25 -0000 --T0u6oYl84yPn00Od Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 06:59:17PM +0200, Dimitry Andric wrote: > ... > Just so you know, this is indeed a regression that has crept into clang, > and even into the 3.1 release. :( >=20 > I'm working on fixing it in head, then I will merge the fix to stable/9 > in a few days. Very cool; should be in time for 9.1-R, then. :-) Thanks! Peace, david --=20 David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. --T0u6oYl84yPn00Od Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/FAUQACgkQmprOCmdXAD0cogCfTXsJ7FqN/3QhOCoPIlefnzhO 0cYAnj6edJHIvU5vMKocdZFFlssxtXOs =Vjsf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T0u6oYl84yPn00Od-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 17:44:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CE4106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamebus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667498FC16 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10so3566337laa.13 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:44:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NR5xPvaiphuM2zCG3oWpbthDIS6oBzIfT0hBUp9iBu0=; b=0AHxGU3JPTc26nyEiweiEPFnjP+S3MmyC8Yq1q8XSWlMA44vCPMxgs5Nr/YJfdZBDy w3QSPV9FfXd9C+fl0U4FXfea/eiCP+M45KDiLh3bDC+ys5TEtmFa3vGTKX+fzNC6NoxG /L7z6QvEjSOtQ5NxL5jxbfKJ8WHUYTVKegDK+aX1aIhEqXC6ogq/BaPCFQX/2Y0BCftu 9ZaLgneejmKMnXI8ngdIOCagzu8qhTy9vXrNlL1Ow1efWAczbzSkB4WiwN5xUHMQ2Qs6 Wb5zjcxbZvD+fYxtTQVup6sSjaUlq1VmNQJ8GS+pLbqtb7oNMdHmtfUMJ2UmUSXnOS9F yTYg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.148.199 with SMTP id tu7mr12854974lab.43.1338313455003; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: jamebus@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.86.201 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 10:44:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC50065.3030201@andric.com> References: <20120529162701.GZ1509@albert.catwhisker.org> <4FC50065.3030201@andric.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:44:14 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9SAlE32OZQFC_HiKsPY99yeDRo8 Message-ID: From: James To: Dimitry Andric Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: Possible Clang regression - object files are always mode 0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:44:17 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Dimitry Andric wrote: > Just so you know, this is indeed a regression that has crept into > clang, and even into the 3.1 release. :( > > I'm working on fixing it in head, then I will merge the fix to > stable/9 in a few days. Cool. Thanks much for fixing it, Dimitry. -- James. 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[83.163.197.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ei4sm47839204wid.5.2012.05.29.12.26.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Kees Jan Koster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:26:32 +0200 Message-Id: To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Subject: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:26:37 -0000 Dear All, I seem to have a problem where really heavy disk I/O is drowning my = machine. I see hangs in the shell where I am logged on using ssh. = Network connections get dropped for no apparent reason and some HTTP = requests are served really slowly. Profiling the app code shows that the = hangs are in completely random places. Operations that are no more than = a few lines of code apart suddenly take seconds to complete. In my search I seem to find that my machine is quite slow on the disk. I = find that rather odd, given that the device in question is an SSD drive = and it is a good bit faster than the WD drive that used to carry the = data set that is accessed heavily. This drive is doing 1.5 times the = throughput, but the hangs have not gone away. To clarify, the data set used to live on ada2 (see the devlist below) = which is a spinning disk. When I experienced intermittent hangs I = plugged in an SSD drive (ada3 on the devlist) and moved the data there. = This improved the MB's per second that are being written (it is = mostly-write data) but has not changed the hangs. If anything, they got = worse since. Using gstat I notice that I/O service time is quite high. =46rom the = gstat below you can see that it takes just over 2s to servr the = requests. The L(q) seems to never drop far below 100 and %busy hovers = around 100% all day long. Can someone please help me troubleshoot that = further? What can I do to make the underlying problem visible? I should mention all data is referenced through cross-mountpoint = symlinks, would that make a difference? Should I use canonical paths in = the code instead? All file systems are mounted "noatime, soft-updates". Details: # uname -a=20 FreeBSD cumin.java-monitor.com 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Mon Mar = 26 14:30:19 UTC 2012 = kjkoster@cumin.java-monitor.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CUMIN amd64 # gstat -f 'ada[0-3]$' -b dT: 1.001s w: 1.000s filter: ada[0-3]$ L(q) ops/s r/s kBps ms/r w/s kBps ms/w %busy Name 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 ada0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 ada1 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 ada2 103 273 0 0 0.0 273 34630 2062 121.9 ada3 # camcontrol devlist at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,ada0) at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass1,ada1) at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,ada2) at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (pass3,ada3) at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 (pass4,cd0) at scbus8 target 0 lun 0 (pass5,cd1) # _ -- Kees Jan http://java-monitor.com/ kjkoster@kjkoster.org +31651838192 The secret of success lies in the stability of the goal. -- Benjamin = Disraeli From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 19:33:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D701065677 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:33:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFD71A5CC5; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FC5244C.5090502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:32:28 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kees Jan Koster References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:33:39 -0000 On 5/29/2012 12:26 PM, Kees Jan Koster wrote: > I seem to have a problem where really heavy disk I/O is drowning my machine. Assuming you're using the default scheduler (SCHED_ULE), try switching to the 4BSD scheduler in your kernel config file and see if that helps. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 19:34:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21856106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f49.google.com (mail-qa0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC8B8FC16 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabj40 with SMTP id j40so1945606qab.15 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:34:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=udPAnZ/ob/kYHli9J0xMiO/4ZR2vVLSvYgjte3MWyXU=; b=noahNHJb2N5wJ2PSn8JI1hK01wWIXe/GypXLpUWxFGTP5G+6rB/UIC6chadHqK18Hp oF25GBaTgsr9Fya0lS6R9n37m0gRzrfEqrm1N9UPyq/fvjkbPI8wqywf8PfNMdHog+oV oEaJXzbH+0ZVw3QheddL3MHGVrAmuiZpNWTvYxMX3ZFDrfOr+AYAuODkJpLYysudCFcb rOoIj+d46xUPVdL/4tFR9MeI8HwXL/SUMX3PhG8uPzQEIbl7HxEiz4KXNEVBJ6V06gSq TjX/kpJtLtP2jKW+ePfCtIh4mEZRXstzRKPSCDXpTBntTq/Q8HAKd/xhsWX+956/6Ux6 kCaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.221.206 with SMTP id id14mr2884512qab.52.1338320060089; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.20.148 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:34:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:34:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: Kees Jan Koster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:34:21 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Kees Jan Koster wrot= e: > I seem to have a problem where really heavy disk I/O is drowning my machi= ne. I see hangs in the shell where I am logged on using ssh. Network connec= tions get dropped for no apparent reason and some HTTP requests are served = really slowly. Profiling the app code shows that the hangs are in completel= y random places. Operations that are no more than a few lines of code apart= suddenly take seconds to complete. > > In my search I seem to find that my machine is quite slow on the disk. I = find that rather odd, given that the device in question is an SSD drive and= it is a good bit faster than the WD drive that used to carry the data set = that is accessed heavily. This drive is doing 1.5 times the throughput, but= the hangs have not gone away. > > To clarify, the data set used to live on ada2 (see the devlist below) whi= ch is a spinning disk. When I experienced intermittent hangs I plugged in a= n SSD drive (ada3 on the devlist) and moved the data there. This improved t= he MB's per second that are being written (it is mostly-write data) but has= not changed the hangs. If anything, they got worse since. > > Using gstat I notice that I/O service time is quite high. From the gstat = below you can see that it takes just over 2s to servr the requests. The L(q= ) seems to never drop far below 100 and %busy hovers around 100% all day lo= ng. Can someone please help me troubleshoot that further? What can I do to = make the underlying problem visible? > > I should mention all data is referenced through cross-mountpoint symlinks= , would that make a difference? Should I use canonical paths in the code in= stead? > > All file systems are mounted "noatime, soft-updates". You may want to play around with gshed, the GEOM Scheduler. Matt Dillon did a bunch of tests comparing FreeBSD+UFS to DragonflyBSD+HAMMER and found that FreeBSD starves read threads in order to satisfy write threads (or the other way around?). But, adding gsched into the mix helped things immensely, allowing mixed reads/writes to better shares disk I/O resources. I'll see if I can dig up a link to his testing e-mail messages. --=20 Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 19:40:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E171065672 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2352C8FC18 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 19:40:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabg1 with SMTP id g1so1721651qab.13 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:40:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1lrUGnlXnBEyWiocHKM7v1SoDNkAGqzrtkwcBuNs4e0=; b=rWnSWxF/9ulCjUMOu0k8hANmcLvgplRDYAxGukq9ieHCc7ccbRnY6GMluVHYa0xO+F 1J921vzMCLxB915Dmd+EJqdJlDekvqZz66kl5sq/yrNN62WnP+TQPsAmjcGw/P7heiTW cCANm6WrhZEC7fntV6mo+Q0ZOTcEJ3FsfA/+jznBu1vEZIE16HLWXPuf6lfx6cwg5vhq S/1TLMHhKEI0aeoOtYv1/XAI09H61ziVOqndkgTHLtiIGN37Xuh6ZyoXebqSqfe9aQZZ 8H0PA1eMRVSeYv6ubXAaUqB+QIrejMqlnJdcHhBOjdgXd0WTCRKE4H0CJmwQKJ2Nxg0Y zVHA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.181.83 with SMTP id bx19mr890745qab.79.1338320447433; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.20.148 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 12:40:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:40:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: Kees Jan Koster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 19:40:48 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Freddie Cash wrote: > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Kees Jan Koster wr= ote: >> I seem to have a problem where really heavy disk I/O is drowning my mach= ine. I see hangs in the shell where I am logged on using ssh. Network conne= ctions get dropped for no apparent reason and some HTTP requests are served= really slowly. Profiling the app code shows that the hangs are in complete= ly random places. Operations that are no more than a few lines of code apar= t suddenly take seconds to complete. >> >> In my search I seem to find that my machine is quite slow on the disk. I= find that rather odd, given that the device in question is an SSD drive an= d it is a good bit faster than the WD drive that used to carry the data set= that is accessed heavily. This drive is doing 1.5 times the throughput, bu= t the hangs have not gone away. >> >> To clarify, the data set used to live on ada2 (see the devlist below) wh= ich is a spinning disk. When I experienced intermittent hangs I plugged in = an SSD drive (ada3 on the devlist) and moved the data there. This improved = the MB's per second that are being written (it is mostly-write data) but ha= s not changed the hangs. If anything, they got worse since. >> >> Using gstat I notice that I/O service time is quite high. From the gstat= below you can see that it takes just over 2s to servr the requests. The L(= q) seems to never drop far below 100 and %busy hovers around 100% all day l= ong. Can someone please help me troubleshoot that further? What can I do to= make the underlying problem visible? >> >> I should mention all data is referenced through cross-mountpoint symlink= s, would that make a difference? Should I use canonical paths in the code i= nstead? >> >> All file systems are mounted "noatime, soft-updates". > > You may want to play around with gshed, the GEOM Scheduler. > > Matt Dillon did a bunch of tests comparing FreeBSD+UFS to > DragonflyBSD+HAMMER and found that FreeBSD starves read threads in > order to satisfy write threads (or the other way around?). =C2=A0But, > adding gsched into the mix helped things immensely, allowing mixed > reads/writes to better shares disk I/O resources. > > I'll see if I can dig up a link to his testing e-mail messages. Here's the post, part of a thread on benchmarking RAID controllers: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2011-07/msg00034.html --=20 Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 20:39:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD88D106567B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from noop.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FB78FC15 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gjp by noop.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SZTCD-000F7b-EQ; Tue, 29 May 2012 16:39:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:39:13 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: Kees Jan Koster Message-ID: <20120529203913.GB92444@in-addr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gpalmer@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on noop.in-addr.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:39:51 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 09:26:32PM +0200, Kees Jan Koster wrote: > Dear All, > > I seem to have a problem where really heavy disk I/O is drowning my machine. I see hangs in the shell where I am logged on using ssh. Network connections get dropped for no apparent reason and some HTTP requests are served really slowly. Profiling the app code shows that the hangs are in completely random places. Operations that are no more than a few lines of code apart suddenly take seconds to complete. > > In my search I seem to find that my machine is quite slow on the disk. I find that rather odd, given that the device in question is an SSD drive and it is a good bit faster than the WD drive that used to carry the data set that is accessed heavily. This drive is doing 1.5 times the throughput, but the hangs have not gone away. > > To clarify, the data set used to live on ada2 (see the devlist below) which is a spinning disk. When I experienced intermittent hangs I plugged in an SSD drive (ada3 on the devlist) and moved the data there. This improved the MB's per second that are being written (it is mostly-write data) but has not changed the hangs. If anything, they got worse since. > > Using gstat I notice that I/O service time is quite high. From the gstat below you can see that it takes just over 2s to servr the requests. The L(q) seems to never drop far below 100 and %busy hovers around 100% all day long. Can someone please help me troubleshoot that further? What can I do to make the underlying problem visible? > > I should mention all data is referenced through cross-mountpoint symlinks, would that make a difference? Should I use canonical paths in the code instead? > > All file systems are mounted "noatime, soft-updates". > > Details: > > # uname -a > FreeBSD cumin.java-monitor.com 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #0: Mon Mar 26 14:30:19 UTC 2012 kjkoster@cumin.java-monitor.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CUMIN amd64 > # gstat -f 'ada[0-3]$' -b > dT: 1.001s w: 1.000s filter: ada[0-3]$ > L(q) ops/s r/s kBps ms/r w/s kBps ms/w %busy Name > 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 ada0 > 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 ada1 > 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 ada2 > 103 273 0 0 0.0 273 34630 2062 121.9 ada3 > # camcontrol devlist > at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,ada0) > at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass1,ada1) > at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,ada2) > at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (pass3,ada3) > at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 (pass4,cd0) > at scbus8 target 0 lun 0 (pass5,cd1) Check the SSD for its internal block size and make sure your filesystem and partitions are aligned with the disk block size. Unless there is something wrong with your SATA controller I'd expect a lot more than 273 IOPS/sec and ~30MByte/sec from a SSD. Regards, Gary From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 20:54:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDE01065686 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:54:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kjkoster@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C888FC17 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so2523368wib.13 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=1Qn4kPW5NjUvE0axycQvdJuDK6i+3uJnF3zkGI13sCU=; b=MU5fIBNTPRm8Hbse7jf/b6OQbF9eaVcbmn5bIjz5fbBH+9hplezFj03qiG30ZSauvV ZbeTqeu2DCrkEt2PfUg2D2Sbz5yV/sQB2Ok+7oT1MOGjXz10LTcUGMQ9CwvrT6Dgo7o0 rZuawnjUMFfxS8fIaLqUNZjPfkbg/WzRdIrV454giN3CGS8gGxPltllOZasOpNiWmEBM kFdIBlWZ9PPdHgrQqBNNWcFm+mp0x5kUpkCV7fp1VFZq7ECy4ArZ80QJDnOn+gvKhlDv 7Onx99xGjfpdgfZ/JNEOm/ecaCjA1mUksu1KXNw9WQeMJYz43JKZB6ZMP+RWTUu4tCh9 uH5Q== Received: by 10.216.140.160 with SMTP id e32mr8940466wej.46.1338324888079; Tue, 29 May 2012 13:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kees-jan-kosters-macbook-air.fritz.box (kjkoster.org. [83.163.197.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gv4sm48531692wib.8.2012.05.29.13.54.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 13:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kees Jan Koster In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 22:54:43 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B516D83-3CFA-4263-8052-90CF579E7FA8@gmail.com> References: To: Freddie Cash X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:54:57 -0000 Dear Freddie, >> You may want to play around with gshed, the GEOM Scheduler. >>=20 >> Matt Dillon did a bunch of tests comparing FreeBSD+UFS to >> DragonflyBSD+HAMMER and found that FreeBSD starves read threads in >> order to satisfy write threads (or the other way around?). But, >> adding gsched into the mix helped things immensely, allowing mixed >> reads/writes to better shares disk I/O resources. >>=20 >> I'll see if I can dig up a link to his testing e-mail messages. >=20 > Here's the post, part of a thread on benchmarking RAID controllers: >=20 > http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2011-07/msg00034.html *cloink* /me goes to pick my jam off of the floor. I can insert a I/O = scheduler in full flight? Ok. I need to adjust my mental image of the = world a bit. I just played with the examples on a test machine and the effect is = quite visible. I ran a CVS checkout of the ports collection concurrent = with dd writing a massive file. Insert scheduler -> CVS update is = faster; destroy scheduler -> CVS update crawls. This is so easy it's = almost scary. The behaviour that Matt describes is what I thought I was seeing too: = write a *lot* and it becomes hard to read from the disk. In my system, = writing data is largely asynchronous and can lag the actual arrival of = data by as much as a few minutes. Reads are always synchronous to a user = request and need to be served asap. Some writes are database writes and = they should be services quickly too. This is definitively something I need to look into. Thank you for the = reference. -- Kees Jan http://java-monitor.com/ kjkoster@kjkoster.org +31651838192 Change is good. Granted, it is good in retrospect, but change is good. 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[83.163.197.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gv4sm48531692wib.8.2012.05.29.13.55.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 13:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Kees Jan Koster In-Reply-To: <4FC5244C.5090502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 22:55:27 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4FC5244C.5090502@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:55:30 -0000 Dear Doug, >> I seem to have a problem where really heavy disk I/O is drowning my = machine. >=20 > Assuming you're using the default scheduler (SCHED_ULE), try switching > to the 4BSD scheduler in your kernel config file and see if that = helps. I will, thanks for the suggestion. -- Kees Jan http://java-monitor.com/ kjkoster@kjkoster.org +31651838192 Change is good. Granted, it is good in retrospect, but change is good. 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[83.163.197.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hv7sm44250239wib.0.2012.05.29.13.59.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 14:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kees Jan Koster In-Reply-To: <20120529203913.GB92444@in-addr.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 22:59:58 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <43F6FDD2-3D31-44D7-82C7-4466D609ECF2@gmail.com> References: <20120529203913.GB92444@in-addr.com> To: Gary Palmer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:00:02 -0000 Dear Gary, >> # camcontrol devlist >> at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 = (pass0,ada0) >> at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 = (pass1,ada1) >> at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 = (pass2,ada2) >> at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 = (pass3,ada3) >> at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 = (pass4,cd0) >> at scbus8 target 0 lun 0 = (pass5,cd1) >=20 > Check the SSD for its internal block size and make sure your = filesystem > and partitions are aligned with the disk block size. Unless there > is something wrong with your SATA controller I'd expect a lot more = than > 273 IOPS/sec and ~30MByte/sec from a SSD. Thank you for suggesting this. However, I recently went through my file = systems to fix disk alignment. I ended up aligning them to 1M blocks, = which raised the throughput from 6M/s to about 60-80MB/s which is what I = am seeing today. # gpart show ... =3D> 34 250069613 ada3 GPT (119G) 34 2014 - free - (1M) 2048 250067599 1 freebsd-ufs (119G) Do you think I need to revisit alignment? -- Kees Jan http://java-monitor.com/ kjkoster@kjkoster.org +31651838192 Change is good. Granted, it is good in retrospect, but change is good. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 21:00:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25191065722 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toomany@toomany.net) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2351F8FC0C for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so9794117obc.13 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=DQ2xq9BQgXYxDejw6p4SAsWrpPZ+8yIS9RYLjH/hapc=; b=MRWA/meYwlOFifJmWBRPmvw6wm1H4e+1dO7dpOE12cd/LkbFRLjg4k7pmkbto+Mp3p 1hdJtbXd7pcI+a3s8r+4T6S+2C9yH2+CBpnHKnueVHcMM/C/d0nPOMiyk2Kua6m+Ril9 EAXEVBCuYDa5RjgFq3R5pqAV8MNXUduswoZtyHvJhzJ2koErBjlbDzJlmEX4DsK2RUud Q5TkX1Yq62MILBzG+DZZLM0fEzdsjYd096MZRR7Tip50k2VzKwQxpeT9SuaKw/cGeyYB 0EAJqxmn8G25xtjwJoILhEBqmfrgBV1zO4kTTQMt7wKKf2huzJ3HixfGUcFu8s0D2Lmq Ifuw== Received: by 10.182.39.5 with SMTP id l5mr12631158obk.11.1338325251457; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:00:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.50.74 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:00:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Manuel Trujillo (TooManySecrets)" Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 23:00:31 +0200 Message-ID: To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmMt1wGJ8o9W7GrKcMJ77YRM30zAzpyy2VY8atCJT1I8Fx68tu6r3WUGlrh2aZsJvbtX33I Subject: Re: Problem with sub-path (or sub-url) in smbfs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:00:52 -0000 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Manuel Trujillo (TooManySecrets) wrote: > I have also an /etc/nsmb.conf configured. All runs fine... except > because I only can mount up to "recursos" (from the line > teide/recursos/usuarios/myuser), and NOT the share "myuser" (the last > part of the PATH). Anybody could tell me, please, where is the better site/list to make this question? 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[83.163.197.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q6sm31208273wiy.0.2012.05.29.14.12.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 14:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kees Jan Koster In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 23:12:47 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <17320979-2ED2-4DF2-97E9-09035F4DD3BB@gmail.com> References: To: Freddie Cash X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:12:52 -0000 Dear Freddie, >> You may want to play around with gshed, the GEOM Scheduler. >>=20 >> Matt Dillon did a bunch of tests comparing FreeBSD+UFS to >> DragonflyBSD+HAMMER and found that FreeBSD starves read threads in >> order to satisfy write threads (or the other way around?). But, >> adding gsched into the mix helped things immensely, allowing mixed >> reads/writes to better shares disk I/O resources. >>=20 >> I'll see if I can dig up a link to his testing e-mail messages. >=20 > Here's the post, part of a thread on benchmarking RAID controllers: >=20 > http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2011-07/msg00034.html I looked at "sysctl kern.geom.confdot" (another ridiculously useful = feature) to see where the scheduler should be placed. The way I was thinking, I should place a scheduler in such a way that = writes to one physical device (ada3 in my case) do not cause reads on = another device to stall (e.g. ada2, where the database lives). However, = it looks like the GEOM tree is actually a GEOM bush, with a separate = tree for each device. Am I missing something? Is there a way to schedule across devices? Is = the bush a tree after all, maybe? -- Kees Jan http://java-monitor.com/ kjkoster@kjkoster.org +31651838192 The secret of success lies in the stability of the goal. -- Benjamin = Disraeli From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 21:24:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CBB106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:24:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1D58FC08 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabg1 with SMTP id g1so1790810qab.13 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:24:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wDjqDD5S6T7z/ZopcS6KOX1BkvvLLrF8Zk4BWANogek=; b=P8KKRfFwp+804nb/U5yttwRLy840OChyWkkFU0b1wocqTFxXQoEma8d7uMzdoOv09x X7Hq4P2Wj1JR9dcrjRDAtjeZpD47FT9MqpEVBDLAGRmAQaZq6zYoh6jXHcg8ivP29Hks bwH1Hr73KWHGwCnleuZr+MMF7HK/3QfYeu7cga73vPT34rXG9RWAVvaMwA8TeqeeBiOU V7Tn3QmJon0mI7txAw23Au1+ZSiqh1zcmF9vT8WeTRv5neUNCU45MU3snYNoZHHoVel4 hSjOlWWtx1xXJgzurjbNphC3dFSXzlx7q3ZbqiN6JHHVHK8YRaTPAb/DyLt7l8f2rHC8 g/Gg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.189.19 with SMTP id dc19mr13361712qab.76.1338326667482; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.20.148 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:24:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <17320979-2ED2-4DF2-97E9-09035F4DD3BB@gmail.com> References: <17320979-2ED2-4DF2-97E9-09035F4DD3BB@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:24:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: Kees Jan Koster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:24:28 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Kees Jan Koster wrote= : >>> You may want to play around with gshed, the GEOM Scheduler. >>> >>> Matt Dillon did a bunch of tests comparing FreeBSD+UFS to >>> DragonflyBSD+HAMMER and found that FreeBSD starves read threads in >>> order to satisfy write threads (or the other way around?). =C2=A0But, >>> adding gsched into the mix helped things immensely, allowing mixed >>> reads/writes to better shares disk I/O resources. >>> >>> I'll see if I can dig up a link to his testing e-mail messages. >> >> Here's the post, part of a thread on benchmarking RAID controllers: >> >> http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2011-07/msg00034.html > > I looked at "sysctl kern.geom.confdot" (another ridiculously useful featu= re) to see where the scheduler should be placed. > > The way I was thinking, I should place a scheduler in such a way that wri= tes to one physical device (ada3 in my case) do not cause reads on another = device to stall (e.g. ada2, where the database lives). However, it looks li= ke the GEOM tree is actually a GEOM bush, with a separate tree for each dev= ice. > > Am I missing something? Is there a way to schedule across devices? Is the= bush a tree after all, maybe? There are others much better versed in the ways of GEOM than I, and hopefully they will jump in to simplify/clarify things. :) The way I understand things is that GEOM is a per-device stack of GEOM classes, with the physical device at the bottom, and the VM/block/I/O (?) system at the top. Thus, unless you use one of the multi-device GEOM classes (graid, gmirror, gstripe, gvinum), then each stack is independent of the others. Meaning gsched only works for a single stack (ie, a single device). Granted, I haven't played with gsched yet (most of our high-I/O systems are ZFS), so there may be a way to use it across-GEOMs. --=20 Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 21:30:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2676106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:30:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kjkoster@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559848FC1D for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so4356119wgb.31 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:30:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=gQ0X5tIea8kHHpr8ILl2JBAfYmVLTO7Dajs2mZJNNYQ=; b=RqSmV1wChi8OZZG+PvklTfIyPA/oE1oaqNbPZ2846N+1l8DwAKysnW70GeJWoZk//Y +vMDD8QNkMC2/o4rj4waH3by1J6lM43UdsoaMJF7wgShuktRVa8cDKFm9/3NFne8Tcgl 0RvfWksvsuNNsTJtGKM2baBaFxsN1ylh4kJVUHYRjlcNJ5F3pMK094tkVLeL2NOmjHOC 0yKsvcB+ghd2OLlrKttLmn+sOZLOnNWy/sh+tIbenDElHG300uWDS+xPzzfzGXhRJJc3 0tqMwr3q07Bcyw/aAYWbnHYtDnfThTEobS2Zx92dpwt6ReRpOvLYRVWW7odwH0IGmamn gIOw== Received: by 10.216.145.219 with SMTP id p69mr2554820wej.37.1338327049073; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kees-jan-kosters-macbook-air.fritz.box (kjkoster.org. [83.163.197.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d10sm48856439wiy.3.2012.05.29.14.30.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 29 May 2012 14:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Kees Jan Koster In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 23:30:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <66F196D1-A6D0-437B-886B-2E1A445A69F2@gmail.com> References: <17320979-2ED2-4DF2-97E9-09035F4DD3BB@gmail.com> To: Freddie Cash X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:30:50 -0000 Dear Freddie, > Granted, I haven't played with gsched yet (most of our high-I/O > systems are ZFS), so there may be a way to use it across-GEOMs. =46rom my previous experiments ZFS suffers the same fate when there is = heavy write activity. Reads just don't get served in time. How do you deal with that? -- Kees Jan http://java-monitor.com/ kjkoster@kjkoster.org +31651838192 Change is good. Granted, it is good in retrospect, but change is good. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 21:39:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82262106564A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f49.google.com (mail-qa0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388008FC08 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 21:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabj40 with SMTP id j40so2033757qab.15 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:39:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=L2Ubf4SqCBVAB/YW01VQF4J/Lmrk1UjEUeaGCJD0D+8=; b=vs4ck8r1XFcgkkEU26odz3uTJwX1HxAZBI3t4tuOy1iE6sExgUkF2QyV1KkaZtTkWi uGsxv7qq5coWAI4VOQJsoHik44NWyu3Y9asK1eBd3tK7MZrhKoOJ1wfJa+ZxZj1WaslA v82AB43XIYSOW+SgenLF5PWjUQ7TE+NytNHWToPQf518kWcPcMHni0Q7QDMm0kMkE2dg N2J12l53tm+Kq2Wh7pi+QIXmxL3DDNknEvyoVXUxYaTNX22+fqQI7tq3lrGpCUWvKNLb KYgPSBfRetsJWqbaH2VDvomIp2o771fY2lEfQi8ZTq5XdWUkCNyGcI5CS8phL9/eL3d0 vmcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.143 with SMTP id t15mr4254079qco.46.1338327553608; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.20.148 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2012 14:39:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <66F196D1-A6D0-437B-886B-2E1A445A69F2@gmail.com> References: <17320979-2ED2-4DF2-97E9-09035F4DD3BB@gmail.com> <66F196D1-A6D0-437B-886B-2E1A445A69F2@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:39:13 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: Kees Jan Koster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 21:39:14 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Kees Jan Koster wrote: > Dear Freddie, > >> Granted, I haven't played with gsched yet (most of our high-I/O >> systems are ZFS), so there may be a way to use it across-GEOMs. > > From my previous experiments ZFS suffers the same fate when there is heavy write activity. Reads just don't get served in time. > > How do you deal with that? We're currently only using FreeBSD (and ZFS) on our backups servers. The two main servers do rsync backups for ~150 remote Linux servers and FreeBSD firewalls (1 server does the elementary and secondary schools; the other server does the admin sites). Then they do zfs sends to a third system off-site. Thus, our workloads tend to be fairly one-sided (all reads on the zfs send side; all writes on the zfs recv side; mostly reads on the rsync side side with some writes). And, most of our working set fits into ARC/L2ARC. Cache devices really help, as most reads come from the L2ARC, while most writes go straight through to the pool. We're still a year or so away from our ultimate goal of using FreeBSD+ZFS+NFS to create a separate/proper SAN/NAS tier for our virtual servers. At that point, we'll look a little deeper into things, and experiment with different L2ARC/ZIL setups to optimise read and write paths. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 29 22:03:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AA4106566B for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 22:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from tensor.andric.com (cl-327.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:7b8:2ff:146::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562308FC0A for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 22:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:7b8:3a7:0:1966:3960:5466:61dc] (unknown [IPv6:2001:7b8:3a7:0:1966:3960:5466:61dc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tensor.andric.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67E9A5C37; Wed, 30 May 2012 00:03:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FC547AE.9060606@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 00:03:26 +0200 From: Dimitry Andric Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120522 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wolfskill , James , FreeBSD Stable References: <20120529162701.GZ1509@albert.catwhisker.org> <4FC50065.3030201@andric.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC50065.3030201@andric.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Possible Clang regression - object files are always mode 0600 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 22:03:31 -0000 On 2012-05-29 18:59, Dimitry Andric wrote: > On 2012-05-29 18:27, David Wolfskill wrote: >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 01:39:19AM -0500, James wrote: >>> Hi all. I've come across a possible Clang regression that recently >>> crept into stable/9. I'd like to check to see whether it's a true bug >>> or if I jacked something up. It appears all object files are created >>> with mode 0600 rather than honoring umask. > Just so you know, this is indeed a regression that has crept into clang, > and even into the 3.1 release. :( > > I'm working on fixing it in head, then I will merge the fix to stable/9 > in a few days. Fixed in head in r236260; the merge will follow soon. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 00:24:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D6C106566B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 00:24:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from noop.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B2D8FC08 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 00:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gjp by noop.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SZWhz-000FLg-7s; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:24:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 20:24:15 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: Kees Jan Koster Message-ID: <20120530002415.GC92444@in-addr.com> References: <20120529203913.GB92444@in-addr.com> <43F6FDD2-3D31-44D7-82C7-4466D609ECF2@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43F6FDD2-3D31-44D7-82C7-4466D609ECF2@gmail.com> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gpalmer@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on noop.in-addr.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9.0 hangs on heavy I/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 00:24:53 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:59:58PM +0200, Kees Jan Koster wrote: > Dear Gary, > > >> # camcontrol devlist > >> at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,ada0) > >> at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass1,ada1) > >> at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,ada2) > >> at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (pass3,ada3) > >> at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 (pass4,cd0) > >> at scbus8 target 0 lun 0 (pass5,cd1) > > > > Check the SSD for its internal block size and make sure your filesystem > > and partitions are aligned with the disk block size. Unless there > > is something wrong with your SATA controller I'd expect a lot more than > > 273 IOPS/sec and ~30MByte/sec from a SSD. > > > Thank you for suggesting this. However, I recently went through my file systems to fix disk alignment. I ended up aligning them to 1M blocks, which raised the throughput from 6M/s to about 60-80MB/s which is what I am seeing today. > > # gpart show > ... > => 34 250069613 ada3 GPT (119G) > 34 2014 - free - (1M) > 2048 250067599 1 freebsd-ufs (119G) > > Do you think I need to revisit alignment? I don't have the specific device you have, but looking at the test results from a random site for the same drive and firmware, they got 465 random IOPS for a 0.5KB block size and a lot more than 60-80MB/sec. I get 60-80MB/sec from a WD green drive in a pure write situation (admitedly using ZFS), so I'm a bit surprised you're seeing similar performance from your SSD, although now I look at it, the drive appears to be an older model. It could be that you're running into issues where the drive is working hard as all the flash blocks need to be erased before reuse. You may get some improvement if you tweak the filesystem block size to the SSD block size. TRIM may also help if the drive supports it. 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TB --- 2012-05-30 01:20:54 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-30 01:20:54 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 01:20:54 - 7859.81 user 1051.07 system 11206.09 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 02:05:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0358A1065672; Wed, 30 May 2012 02:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41008FC0A; Wed, 30 May 2012 02:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4U25A1x043290; Wed, 30 May 2012 02:05:10 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4U25AWd043289; Wed, 30 May 2012 02:05:10 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 02:05:10 GMT Message-Id: <201205300205.q4U25AWd043289@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 02:05:11 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-29 22:41:28 - 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/usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC64 TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - building GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-30 01:59:52 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC64 >>> Kernel build for GENERIC64 started on Wed May 30 01:59:52 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/slb.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch64.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc64/src/sys/GENERIC64. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-05-30 02:05:10 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-30 02:05:10 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 02:05:10 - 8929.06 user 1250.69 system 12221.89 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 10:37:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A587106566C; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:37:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6D28FC12; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4UAbaAI080392; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:37:36 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4UAba1B080391; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:37:36 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:37:36 GMT Message-Id: <201205301037.q4UAba1B080391@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:37:37 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-30 07:30:22 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-05-30 07:30:22 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-05-30 07:30:22 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc/powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 07:30:22 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-05-30 07:30:50 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-05-30 07:30:50 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - building world TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-30 07:31:54 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Wed May 30 07:31:55 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Wed May 30 10:09:57 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-30 10:09:57 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Wed May 30 10:09:57 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Wed May 30 10:31:09 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - building GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-30 10:31:09 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Wed May 30 10:31:09 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/mp_cpudep.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch32.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-05-30 10:37:36 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-30 10:37:36 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 10:37:36 - 7803.91 user 1043.77 system 11234.06 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 11:27:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBF0106566B; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084B38FC0C; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4UBRB7O004572; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:27:11 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4UBRBuq004571; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:27:11 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:27:11 GMT Message-Id: <201205301127.q4UBRBuq004571@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:27:12 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-30 08:07:23 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-05-30 08:07:23 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-05-30 08:07:23 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc64/powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 08:07:23 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-05-30 08:08:25 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-05-30 08:08:25 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc64/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - building world TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-30 08:09:30 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Wed May 30 08:09:31 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> stage 5.1: building 32 bit shim libraries >>> World build completed on Wed May 30 11:03:01 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-30 11:03:01 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-05-30 11:03:01 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-30 11:03:01 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-05-30 11:03:01 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-30 11:03:01 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-05-30 11:03:01 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 11:03:01 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-30 11:03:01 - 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TB --- 2012-05-30 11:27:11 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-30 11:27:11 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 11:27:11 - 8804.18 user 1218.12 system 11987.54 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 14:15:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6841B106566C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lichray@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F9C8FC08 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id m50so4032741yhg.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:15:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+j73w1Ua2LRsLv9cfec5MBIIUYwCE50gK0RiEzXZ1gQ=; b=ZnearKCw24ahlG9XWOBuxyIEuWXdfFJFmZOSYGwwP9vmoZDeg++0RZzBg536j5rlPB Ilcv7x7lMfXoxka3HPgUdNi4dTK8eXaPU2pxuz52vbCaFRvkKpC972MvvA2nopcnVPzP GhE281MnRNCWoc/xU+a/cenEaYT7PC5MNj6fHChRG+nS64jgvTtjsZK27JGwy8Ogv1zx iOJLxFCHkNzFP0/sEbgxWwDE8ixoVad47RIBtPbcM5P5vqHSkRDfGVPMbfWS/LtXWcHb LAWGbvRsiFQGtt43S3C7prx0wohz+DE9zlGwici6ixHji4ziHUCxqwIkNhGm2RoTApoY kVqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.237.73 with SMTP id va9mr7059295igc.3.1338387348730; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.188.230 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:15:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: Zhihao Yuan To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Different features on different CPU cores?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:15:49 -0000 Hi, Today I want to compile the latest www/chromium, and I found that I encountered some SSSE3 problems, with either gcc46/clang, and I found that this new version requires (S)SSE3 support. My CPU is a Intel i5 M 520, which suppose to support these. But when I'm checking the CPU features, I see: CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz (2394.02-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x20652 Family = 6 Model = 25 Stepping = 2 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x298e3ff What? Different features on different cores? Is it my CPU's problem or FreeBSD's problem? -- Zhihao Yuan, nickname lichray The best way to predict the future is to invent it. ___________________________________________________ 4BSD -- http://4bsd.biz/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 14:25:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A80D1065672 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:25:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imb@protected-networks.net) Received: from sarah.protected-networks.net (sarah.protected-networks.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:4e1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9498FC19 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:25:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from toshi.auburn.protected-networks.net (toshi.auburn.protected-networks.net [202.12.127.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Iain Butler", Issuer "RSA Class 2 Personal CA" (not verified)) (Authenticated sender: imb@protected-networks.net) by sarah.protected-networks.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A803D60EE; Wed, 30 May 2012 10:25:35 -0400 (EDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=200509; d=protected-networks.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Wj8ENbpOg9YSY1cpZOTSev4L5jKs6iMStZ/NbnaHGt4KNiWUMLtaM0asaEK8uDxIl Cy+n8/qFp407akqmx/R6zYf1K29EPKRAdaw5sUd6d9oHy4WZkgzqMHbiNaIl/VQ Message-ID: <4FC62DDD.6060503@protected-networks.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:25:33 -0400 From: Michael Butler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120506 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zhihao Yuan References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5pre OpenPGP: id=0442D492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: Different features on different CPU cores?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:25:37 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/30/12 10:15, Zhihao Yuan wrote: > Hi, > > Today I want to compile the latest www/chromium, and I found that I > encountered some SSSE3 problems, with either gcc46/clang, and I found > that this new version requires (S)SSE3 support. > > My CPU is a Intel i5 M 520, which suppose to support these. But when > I'm checking the CPU features, I see: > > CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz (2394.02-MHz K8-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x20652 Family = 6 Model = 25 Stepping = 2 > Features=0xbfebfbff OV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE> > Features2=0x298e3ff ,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AESNI> > > What? Different features on different cores? Is it my CPU's problem or > FreeBSD's problem? > You are misreading this .. they ran out of bits in one word to describe the available features so they added another word 'features2' to describe the rest. These capabilities apply to both cores, imb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/GLdwACgkQQv9rrgRC1JI9vgCdHoHEdEV8V+SawdSI+iD8TFc5 XyoAniiyJ6kkZZ/AjFhgTgXLrvJvdB/k =y05w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 14:29:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280511065670 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lichray@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AF08FC08 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so3775562yen.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:29:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OsItFSXV62XvqL4XKsHc2qcCresGVuxMqoJHx3+SseM=; b=l8VyIsAokEFF9BbWbxGFPFZjuMOeCrsuauD3NIoONynNnFnCgHJOmY5Oxcz3MqaKpB vs7ldjQ/6rIt+eGWqdae7RvntnErRLml8Y7SaNL9hJva1SE4a9oxaibzqUVYZpaEjBuc vlYmulRMJSpuZyZTR0uDpnXhdfgio6TP5MgmfmaTtNn4djQOnA0W/1VdUDfH0051mugL Dai4LqV6+E1pjY1qOOyUG17Nhq9ZqaY8yTIoNvs3CUwCVCOI6q17H0qqq6NUh1MR6ra0 SpWXHx32zKRij8JBPVHxi9Y/OxrmS7rbA91Wc0f/RNrs3St+xGmxKH2wAyHXYgNFlEef Fpqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.158.129 with SMTP id wu1mr10877365igb.33.1338388170627; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.188.230 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:29:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC62DDD.6060503@protected-networks.net> References: <4FC62DDD.6060503@protected-networks.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:29:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Zhihao Yuan To: Michael Butler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: Different features on different CPU cores?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:29:32 -0000 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Michael Butler wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 05/30/12 10:15, Zhihao Yuan wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Today I want to compile the latest www/chromium, and I found that I >> encountered some SSSE3 problems, with either gcc46/clang, and I found >> that this new version requires (S)SSE3 support. >> >> My CPU is a Intel i5 M 520, which suppose to support these. But when >> I'm checking the CPU features, I see: >> >> CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz (2394.02-MHz K8-class CPU) >> Origin =3D "GenuineIntel" Id =3D 0x20652 Family =3D 6 Model =3D 25 Stepp= ing =3D 2 >> Features=3D0xbfebfbff> OV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE> >> Features2=3D0x298e3ff> ,xTPR,PDCM,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AESNI> >> >> What? Different features on different cores? Is it my CPU's problem or >> FreeBSD's problem? >> > You are misreading this .. they ran out of bits in one word to describe > the available features so they added another word 'features2' to > describe the rest. These capabilities apply to both cores, OK... I see what happened: ~> cc a.c ~> gcc46 a.c In file included from a.c:1:0: /usr/local/lib/gcc46/gcc/x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3/4.6.3/include/pmmintrin.= h:32:3: error: #error "SSE3 instruction set not enabled" ~> clang a.c In file included from a.c:1: /usr/local/bin/../lib/clang/3.1/include/pmmintrin.h:28:2: error: "SSE3 instruction set not enabled" #error "SSE3 instruction set not enabled" ^ 1 error generated. ~> gcc46 -msse3 a.c ~> clang -msse3 a.c ~> So the chromium port does not define -msse3/-mssse3 explicitly, so it does not work with gcc46/clang. > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0imb > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (FreeBSD) > > iEYEARECAAYFAk/GLdwACgkQQv9rrgRC1JI9vgCdHoHEdEV8V+SawdSI+iD8TFc5 > XyoAniiyJ6kkZZ/AjFhgTgXLrvJvdB/k > =3Dy05w > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > --=20 Zhihao Yuan, nickname lichray The best way to predict the future is to invent it. ___________________________________________________ 4BSD -- http://4bsd.biz/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 14:43:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F061065679 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:43:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier@gid0.org) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168BE8FC15 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so56563lbo.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=zVSb2Yb1j1/x+Z7ytohFvkC/SEBKFnCOCUGklwrtq5s=; b=UQAM3lKZ2z1T1gCJVhDNbhzGCSXUCVN/eQPuWZukmpoBT+CTmnuYf9Yt1i8aiAogZg taUO/GXRpZkO+i5nC6tA3VWISFlngoXmHVLG4GpKE4z6W2xlh/d6COHp3dEuyp20uirP n4LxKwCCwTpSnrmnX9ped6HcipiogJ/7kjVD7sorcQkfW1uWT8BL7BsrkBFiK7jjSpfB dV0TQ+8hsqQFWyfAyu13NlLu4L+9/zjUVyCtRSXDMX2PhFQclcYdgS/wrfD8Kyi41gmR no3V5zJi8yTWBdzvsmesthgQxCW+4O7besD8ukryA3KbFgJalPPO9pbk5F5sMivKPy7O EWVQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.48.6 with SMTP id h6mr15947281lan.30.1338389028910; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.95.18 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 07:43:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4FC62DDD.6060503@protected-networks.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:43:48 +0200 Message-ID: From: Olivier Smedts To: Zhihao Yuan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl/Pwx25gc1/YtvwVC3u6y3Dfs/pe1l2RXggXxwUl1Kb0tLwGWe7sby2664lRq1fjn08j9z Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: Different features on different CPU cores?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:43:50 -0000 2012/5/30 Zhihao Yuan : > OK... I see what happened: > > ~> cc a.c > ~> gcc46 a.c > In file included from a.c:1:0: > /usr/local/lib/gcc46/gcc/x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3/4.6.3/include/pmmintri= n.h:32:3: > error: #error "SSE3 instruction set not enabled" > ~> clang a.c > In file included from a.c:1: > /usr/local/bin/../lib/clang/3.1/include/pmmintrin.h:28:2: error: "SSE3 > =A0 =A0 =A0instruction set not enabled" > #error "SSE3 instruction set not enabled" > =A0^ > 1 error generated. > ~> gcc46 -msse3 a.c > ~> clang -msse3 a.c > ~> > > So the chromium port does not define -msse3/-mssse3 explicitly, so it > does not work with gcc46/clang. Isn't it /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk's job ? # make -V CPUTYPE core2 # make -V MACHINE_CPU ssse3 sse3 amd64 sse2 sse mmx I don't know if that's for the base system solely or if it works for ports too, but at least on this computer I can compile chromium 19.0.1084.52. Maybe you use CPUTYPE?=3Dnative, which is unsupported by bsd.cpu.mk. --=20 Olivier Smedts=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 _ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) e-mail: olivier@gid0.org=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 - against HTML email & vCards=A0 X www: http://www.gid0.org=A0 =A0 - against proprietary attachments / \ =A0 "Il y a seulement 10 sortes de gens dans le monde : =A0 ceux qui comprennent le binaire, =A0 et ceux qui ne le comprennent pas." From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 15:05:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC6A106566C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lichray@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419EA8FC0C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnm2 with SMTP id m2so4384827ggn.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:05:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=69PmUT+jOm4remi0Da4iBcDsjonhB0otPdQtNSxoox8=; b=LUTPLW2btQHSnfM0bWEU9i6KqCjvIJbHOLEpIxFfJdJ2GBnTETIm20FjsWwn/u7i1Q FN4Lktmh6pG4sTYs5MZXFbvnbaiWOql7QG+nQmXjuO052Ra8lrHtZ9IL3ZVeMZUISZ6d XHo8D0gQzwMh5A+hwtll1gZpkc+EBc0NIZgHlE0MqxuELuyqzk8X/Y3/J/wEUsabzz2m jIuj94pxvxpoS7zihjrTxdnvSmJy/du4MYrhYAt8zbisbfxZ9gnkg1M5VXhxgSNuWx/2 Scooby4qrYKQU6DxydkGbwwUTnK2hgPDlIOhDf7fYKqfNLZaH9EgA65c+1yS3th+kOCR XBaQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.41.196 with SMTP id h4mr11038145igl.33.1338390349561; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.188.230 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 08:05:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4FC62DDD.6060503@protected-networks.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:05:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: Zhihao Yuan To: Olivier Smedts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: Different features on different CPU cores?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:05:52 -0000 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Olivier Smedts wrote: > 2012/5/30 Zhihao Yuan : >> OK... I see what happened: >> >> ~> cc a.c >> ~> gcc46 a.c >> In file included from a.c:1:0: >> /usr/local/lib/gcc46/gcc/x86_64-portbld-freebsd8.3/4.6.3/include/pmmintr= in.h:32:3: >> error: #error "SSE3 instruction set not enabled" >> ~> clang a.c >> In file included from a.c:1: >> /usr/local/bin/../lib/clang/3.1/include/pmmintrin.h:28:2: error: "SSE3 >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0instruction set not enabled" >> #error "SSE3 instruction set not enabled" >> =C2=A0^ >> 1 error generated. >> ~> gcc46 -msse3 a.c >> ~> clang -msse3 a.c >> ~> >> >> So the chromium port does not define -msse3/-mssse3 explicitly, so it >> does not work with gcc46/clang. > > Isn't it /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk's job ? > # make -V CPUTYPE > core2 > # make -V MACHINE_CPU > ssse3 sse3 amd64 sse2 sse mmx > > I don't know if that's for the base system solely or if it works for > ports too, but at least on this computer I can compile chromium > 19.0.1084.52. Maybe you use CPUTYPE?=3Dnative, which is unsupported by > bsd.cpu.mk. Err, I put nothing on CPUTYPE. Long time ago, this variable only affects base. Thanks. > > -- > Olivier Smedts=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 _ > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ASCII ri= bbon campaign ( ) > e-mail: olivier@gid0.org=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - against HTML email = & vCards=C2=A0 X > www: http://www.gid0.org=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - against proprietary attachments /= \ > > =C2=A0 "Il y a seulement 10 sortes de gens dans le monde : > =C2=A0 ceux qui comprennent le binaire, > =C2=A0 et ceux qui ne le comprennent pas." --=20 Zhihao Yuan, nickname lichray The best way to predict the future is to invent it. ___________________________________________________ 4BSD -- http://4bsd.biz/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 16:16:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414B6106566C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:16:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDF08FC14 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 16:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q4UGFxBC051309; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:16:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q4UGFxSF051308; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:15:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:15:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201205301615.q4UGFxSF051308@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.9.6-20101126 ("Burnside") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 30 May 2012 18:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: i386 binaries on amd64: ldconfig problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:16:18 -0000 Hi, I've recently migrated my workstation from i386 to amd64 (finally, because I neeed to go beyond 4 GB RAM). The transition went smoothly so far, except for one thing: I need to use several old i386 binaries, which all work well except for one: olvwm. $ uname -rsm FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE-20120528 amd64 $ olvwm /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libXpm.so.4: unsupported file layout $ file olvwm olvwm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 8.2 (802502), stripped $ ldd olvwm olvwm: libXpm.so.4 => not found (0x0) libolgx.so.3 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libolgx.so.3 (0x280d1000) libXext.so.6 => not found (0x0) libX11.so.6 => not found (0x0) libm.so.5 => /usr/lib32/libm.so.5 (0x280df000) libc.so.7 => /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x280f9000) $ ldconfig -32 -r | head -2 /var/run/ld-elf32.so.hints: search directories: /usr/lib32:/usr/local/lib32:/usr/local/lib32/compat $ ldconfig -32 -r | egrep 'libXpm|libXext|libX11' 190:-lXpm.4 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4 192:-lXext.6 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXext.so.6 193:-lX11.6 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libX11.so.6 So, the 32bit libraries are there, ldconfig knows about them, but the runtime linker does not, apparently. Interestingly, it works when I force the library path (this is currently the work-around that I'm using): LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib32/compat ldd olvwm olvwm: libXpm.so.4 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4 (0x280d1000) libolgx.so.3 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libolgx.so.3 (0x280e1000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXext.so.6 (0x280ef000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libX11.so.6 (0x280fe000) libm.so.5 => /usr/lib32/libm.so.5 (0x28216000) libc.so.7 => /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x28230000) libxcb.so.2 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libxcb.so.2 (0x2834b000) libXau.so.6 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXau.so.6 (0x28362000) libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x28365000) libpthread-stubs.so.0 => /usr/local/lib32/compat/libpthread-stubs.so.0 (0x2836a000) librpcsvc.so.5 => /usr/lib32/librpcsvc.so.5 (0x2836c000) But actually I shouldn't have to use LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH. I mean, it's ldconfig's job to configure the directories for locating the libraries. What is wrong here? Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Blogging: Never before have so many people with so little to say said so much to so few. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 18:20:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E87D1065672 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5539D8FC12 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc2-cmbg15-2-0-cust790.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.26.15.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4UIKbg3012003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:20:38 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) From: David Chisnall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:20:31 +0100 Message-Id: To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: Subject: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:20:39 -0000 Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending = it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of = users. =20 I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which = advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd = like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If = you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which = would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? =20= David= From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 18:52:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3049C106564A; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:52:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C995F8FC1D; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so165571yen.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:52:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+ej/o3lAHm77FBQIk1Gpr7DfbE2t2D2HFYYrnOXridw=; b=EoMDfHCaarNFRmpR4l2XfhMvzIVjya3fNHm6lhrdn8AUDapubwc+Yc9HJqbJ+GLGKa 0o1OjWpMbN5/Z6Bimc1uTQ/Htvgq631eugz8QA6/QapTzTle1CEDts0CbmdliXxoX0+c GI0Xs01sJiA8ZqiQ8yyhzCZ4sNpHX8S0rozQE80x+z+WSFreOnoOaXItSNk14N7p8VBS YQ/P3zHmKXw7Abxmdvy68GXZ5NlyoKVF5JIOzowtm+RMbm+G4xAe55YJc7vHIOVF6/oz DSqxDuels6KGcpY24bWd4PsqQjPe8XZFG+fCWI1BqNAs3Vss/6qPFRduBLKO8AnmUTSq XjGA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.182.231 with SMTP id eh7mr2356810igc.42.1338403962081; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Sender: pldrouin@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.44.74 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:52:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:52:42 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cErpexXg9QGXX5yGJBuXo6g8ZEI Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: David Chisnall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:52:43 -0000 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it > to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which > advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd > like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If > you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would > you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > > David_______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > For me it is: -Stability -Well-structured OS (i.e. filesystem, kernel and its config, etc) -The ports system These are also the elements that made me start using FreeBSD about a decade ago. So these are mainly consequences of the development strategy of FreeBSD, as opposed to the free for all approach of Linux. Personally, what makes me choose Linux over FreeBSD for laptop usage is the very limited acpi support of FreeBSD (suspend and resume) compared to Linux. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 18:59:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE7E106564A for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apeiron@isuckatdomains.net) Received: from isuckatdomains.net (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:4::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1974A8FC14 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isuckatdomains.members.linode.com (isuckatdomains.net [74.207.243.179]) by isuckatdomains.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D1C0145A94 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:59:01 -0400 From: Chris Nehren To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120530185901.GB7853@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:59:03 -0000 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 19:20:31 +0100 , David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, ... and not wrapped at <80 characters. > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material > (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before > I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using > FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about > FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first > started using it? 1. Solaris features without being beholden to Oracle. 2. The FreeBSD community focuses more on tech than on licensing and political activism like a certain freeware Unix "alike". 3. The ports system does a far better job of balancing tracking recent software releases and stability than other systems of the same sort (most typically exemplified by certain popular Unix "alikes"). Bonus round, something subjective: 4. Everything "feels right" and "makes sense" on a very deep level for me, in a way that never happened with the other Unix and Unix "alike" OSs I've used. The first item is not the same as when I started using FreeBSD, because those features didn't exist in FreeBSD at the time. The third reason is what actually brought me to FreeBSD, after I became frustrated at the seeming inability of Unix "alike" maintainers to maintain that balance of recent software and stability (Ubuntu didn't exist at the time, and the less time I spend using that the better). -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 19:06:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2465D1065670; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:06:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vmagerya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C1B8FC17; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so121990wib.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:06:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FrBz/FIYhXZvQYrbrMWMy/QkxmGCLE1kZNMIQo1IBbU=; b=YvhvIFR3yeDZ1fP50sNwCv4pMyyohdZc9nb8KVbY+v6Kd4GCB4Rq1uvAsaX0QsY0D1 5YHaHDPucNZgDuu0J4Rv9m3ZWlFAtyfCIAb2poukDdGwiLIQXBGdqYbgIg3UHaTK/iKu fy5pHuAYismWU9XXUtyySS+8TvyVeLFAs8Jr4h/0htHGnIcu7VYrA9girjNp72IrewsA q9tuZN47BVJwVJphvX5rDr4u2L7RQAxOSnggLFmfdTIbOBv/QV2CVSVorq1KLeDSJijr iSPFAQ7yWdKfVPdigR9ffmme8Cmn73aIzdZYGnZPQYYcvo6uDZ2pLMWwuYETFX2O39Vl nirw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.198.164 with SMTP id v36mr11594543wen.199.1338404762531; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.1.208 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:06:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:06:02 +0300 Message-ID: From: Vitaly Magerya To: David Chisnall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:06:04 -0000 David Chisnall wrote: > If you had > to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? 1. Large number of ports, including obscure programs other package system don't have. 2. Relatively straightforward system configuration (i.e. rc.conf), as opposed to options scattered across multiple files and tools. 3. Port options. I don't want to run HAL and friends for example; on FreeBSD I can skip them. Why don't you ask about top 3 things we hate about FreeBSD? Listing negative sides in advocacy materials would be a refreshing change. > Are they the same as when you first started using it? Nope. It was mostly blind chance. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 19:11:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4750D106566B; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:11:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joh.hendriks@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DE38FC12; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eabm6 with SMTP id m6so62130eab.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:11:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XK9P02KfFv4UwFtsqKuuLU7atTJt98q36pVrY57qYw0=; b=YCnk1W1FwusclDNyh8IJ48KsvPT1VIkR0OBu1NEtSmiFkIfLK/yvk6c7dLKqlaPGhD pbuxm7jURmyJng2BYIlDm77iLsp5lk0AaRtjTjvVGJrAEs9rgcN1aR7I2/e1Mq1NVm62 QeTYfEupnq8OpHRUyxzAtglJAOjkCOCpVwkPVEUPlhVN+5uTqYrePcuy5OshrUUGwxAJ DS/yl7QR4z+PDlhhw7/98rG2thyVOs2bSVEAr0XMe9tpvAQhsNJsaPijCiOw6/d9kTQ9 0+qbMxbPrN6dFfFUnuSUZR1ESfBlRx+9jLuU9FNTLnplKTorjlTYxfhuTrP2++wu9f8B BhSw== Received: by 10.14.45.14 with SMTP id o14mr6807942eeb.189.1338405068608; Wed, 30 May 2012 12:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.14] (5ED0E470.cm-7-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl. [94.208.228.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c51sm2017715eei.12.2012.05.30.12.11.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 May 2012 12:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC670CB.1040906@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:11:07 +0200 From: Johan Hendriks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Chisnall References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:11:16 -0000 David Chisnall schreef: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > > David_______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Why i use and still use FreeBSD 1) stability 2) ease of use 3) ZFS 4) Community 5) I does the things i need. The first encounter with FreeBSD was with FreeBSD 4.5 if i recall correct. I did try a lot of Linux distro's in that time, and could not find a distro that suits me well. I did use redhat 6 to 7 and Suse also tried Slackware, and gentoo that was new at that time. But each distro had it quircks, redhat and dependency hell, suse had yast which was horrible back then. Gentoo had way to many knobs you need to set to get it compiled and so on. Then i did try FreeBSD and it did what i needed back then, the installer was something i need to figure out, but once i got the idea of slices and so on, it did what i needed. Upgrading was easy, rebuilding the system worked and so on. It never let me down. I was a happy camper, and settled with FreeBSD. Till today i still can do all i want. Mail server, Web server, MailScanner server, samba server, ISCSI server and NFS server is what we need today, and FreeBSD does it all. Now with ZFS , things got even better. Did try some Linux distro's, but only for the desktop. Linux Mint is what i use on the laptop now. As long as there is no need to use Linux to get things done i stick with FreeBSD. regards Johan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 19:14:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F1106566B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:14:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@hewbert.com) Received: from mail.signalboxes.net (hewbert.com [69.164.207.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00CD8FC12 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.30.119.44] (firewall.dsdk12.net [24.111.1.182]) (Authenticated sender: josh) by mail.signalboxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B879D6162 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FC66FBF.5050503@hewbert.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:06:39 -0600 From: Josh Beard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:14:23 -0000 On 05/30/2012 12:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > > David_______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" For us, stability is the biggest reason. Stability in terms of not only reliability, but also the design philosophy and consistency. I really appreciate the "cleanliness" of FreeBSD, and what seems to be a well thought out and well deployed base. To me, FreeBSD seems conservative in that a lot of design is "tried and true", but also progressive at the same time where it counts (e.g. ZFS). I don't get the feeling of hasty implementations that I have with other systems. We replaced a Linux file server (which replaced several Mac Xserves) with a FreeBSD box in the recent past and I've had zero issues with stability, reliability, or performance. Whereas before, it was always a struggle to maintain any of those, and with constant maintenance. This is on the same hardware with the same userbase. This is just my two cents as an end user sysadmin with no development experience. Josh From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 19:19:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E012106564A; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com) Received: from fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com [69.55.229.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73D18FC15; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.15.220] (unknown [118.175.84.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D3965B9033; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FC67118.2030503@ateamsystems.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 02:12:24 +0700 From: Adam Strohl Organization: A-Team Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Chisnall References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:19:14 -0000 On 5/31/2012 1:20, David Chisnall wrote: > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which= advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd = like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If = you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would= you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? 1. High performance with security and stability focus -- truly makes it=20 the ideal server platform 2. The ports system (and supporting tools like portupgrade, portaudit, et= c) 3. The OS "makes sense" (as Chris N. mentioned). The file system=20 layout, tools, etc are consistent. There is so much other stuff too. Like PF and CARP, ZFS and more ... a = kick-ass combo of features and very server-focused. As a professional admin FreeBSD is a pleasure to work with day in and=20 day out. I've never heard a admins of "other" OSes say that :P From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 19:58:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9365106566B; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:58:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFE68FC1F; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4UJvxCg054285; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:57:59 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4UJvxlu054284; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:57:59 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:57:59 GMT Message-Id: <201205301957.q4UJvxlu054284@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:58:01 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-30 16:49:39 - 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PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-30 19:51:40 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 19:51:40 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 19:51:40 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 19:51:40 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-30 19:51:40 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 19:51:40 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-30 19:51:40 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Wed May 30 19:51:40 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/mp_cpudep.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch32.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-05-30 19:57:59 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-30 19:57:59 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 19:57:59 - 7811.60 user 1041.95 system 11299.92 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 20:15:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C199C106564A for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:15:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB08FC18 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:15:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=Xcrq3XzldiVaqvkt5MU04txuZ6tcqYVglI/WOiSUV/o=; b=FMGhBkUca6DW1nhVkpL3Jgo+mL7lFLnFUsuuFLtmp66+mFhfOggCUvVPtklqFsR2vJ3gXidrTw5VyEruOX/6tZ5ah9DakJiBLhahS2XhyFgJE9Q8/pupLVCZ+6M7hWmu; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SZpIk-000Ngw-2X for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:15:26 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpa id 1338408920-26372-26371/5/10; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:15:20 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20120530185901.GB7853@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:15:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20120530185901.GB7853@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.64 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.5 Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:15:27 -0000 On Wed, 30 May 2012 13:59:01 -0500, Chris Nehren wrote: > 4. Everything "feels right" and "makes sense" on a very deep level for > me, in a way that never happened with the other Unix and Unix "alike" > OSs I've used. Bingo. For me: 1) Integration. The OS is integrated very well all around. How many utilities on Linux are required to replace the full functionality of the BSD "ifconfig" ? 2) Ports. We have customers with very different requirements; we don't have to run different Linux distros to meet their needs in a way that is supported by the package management system. This makes the job as a sysadmin and our infrastructure very consistent. 3) Features. PF is indispensable, and ZFS is a great bonus. System utilities, too: sockstat, systat, gstat, BSD's top, etc. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 20:26:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED78A106566C; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:26:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver.pntr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960E88FC17; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so271552yen.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:26:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=suobJTz5+OJlviOmZQlsmPSkzDIKu/WOCC+hY0I3Fho=; b=qleMlRVFgz8CTobpvVxLx6qTh2Di6n8PgDfSCiRROK0LlNP7XH1l64uskHHndDBgba TEpNSXKjHKYJ6zVDfRGGhHdoCrRXfHsT5FUS1Z2Jb6pRteDKLZ3a6goNbh2BtOX8PPja 33lyt5YETEN149wesryN2eZjk2DI4GVzR+nfaVYWgh+UqbO2XmT0hxPRLvzVvzS2G/Tq /3/DDN5HEgjkOc3eh8uA7yz20eatFcW8xfQSX/sM+f98q1/IuXlIrNKReG/h3L0pAjfx 8+q24ep6d9cZyZIUK2AVoJCIQmzXSlBwmtlQ/aR/KN0lSttViXjGaVc2QK0Sz6IqLGj/ Nu5w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.135.22 with SMTP id m22mr4407932ann.67.1338409615925; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.44.73 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:26:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:26:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Oliver Pinter To: David Chisnall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:26:57 -0000 On 5/30/12, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it > to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which > advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like > to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had > to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? > Are they the same as when you first started using it? Hi! Likes (sorry, not only 3 item): ---------------------------------------------------------- 1) FreeBSD is NOT Linux = FreeBSD is stable, reliable, simple (there are no automated brainfucks... like udev, hal and dbus in base system) 2) has a clean source, and FreeBSD is maintainable: if there are a working driver in N+2 version, I have a much bigger chance, that working in N too 3) is highly configurable (~ 1) ), I like rc.conf and sysctl (linux's procfs and sysfs is a chaos ...) 4) FreeBSD has a ports system, that contained KDE3 5) well documented 6) not fragmented as Linux, (relation to many distro, that not have idea/goal) 7) not GPL 8) FreeBSD is a complete system, and not just a kernel + random thing from everywhere, and not hackish Are they the same as when you first started using it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- yes > > David_______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 20:31:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71461065678; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:31:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3913A8FC18; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkvi18 with SMTP id i18so273812bkv.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:31:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5Rwrj1E//70J4DS/Z2GCG9IoAsHlsCbYurKYaXwxjQ4=; b=yPLSHEn89zt0dxEkRmsULO5ls2sZwdsEnuqz6EuMcF5RWOODdkX3zbzFg2M7lQo16+ kfuDIC08IKhzsMgiXR+uazfhL6R2+gyNrscSqIDcP/rknPHfodcYaGtak8X+l3KlmaSE FBWqnGspUJ25Ujhc79HC/Tlub7kb9gxJ9kgLXGATyNu3GFcxAX7qrfOGtMHo/mZ9SCi0 fIBhgYGFW50OAmchdem8fw6E9zSJbbomxgO0KOU/TLa0Sh4xGW/aKcw9HXf+sTIqQ9e4 IFbVL1XLkZ/aHWK15F8YXPgLBudtshByJib91JF6BkEz2kWMrJQjWu+1Tv/GGihJQQfF /INg== Received: by 10.205.33.136 with SMTP id so8mr9754955bkb.1.1338409885249; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:31:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: utisoft@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.171.138 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 13:30:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Rees Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:30:55 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mP46IBuQxA9_CSX0OHvr1tfzmvU Message-ID: To: David Chisnall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:31:26 -0000 On 30 May 2012 19:20, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending i= t to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which a= dvertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like= to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. =A0If you = had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you p= ick? =A0Are they the same as when you first started using it? > You might not have wanted opinions from developers... but 1) Complete base system-- if I mess up badly with ports I can delete them all and still have a usable system to recover from 2) Simplicity of configuration-- mostly configured with flat text files rather than directories full of conf files 3) Friendly community; easy to get support from people who really know what they're doing. Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 20:43:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00305106566B; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:43:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CC38FC1C; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4UKhSfA054305; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:43:28 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4UKhSAI054304; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:43:28 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:43:28 GMT Message-Id: <201205302043.q4UKhSAI054304@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:43:30 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-30 17:17:56 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-05-30 17:17:56 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-05-30 17:17:56 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc64/powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 17:17:56 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-05-30 17:18:56 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-05-30 17:18:56 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc64/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - building world TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-30 17:19:55 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Wed May 30 17:19:56 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> stage 5.1: building 32 bit shim libraries >>> World build completed on Wed May 30 20:18:34 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-30 20:18:34 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Wed May 30 20:18:34 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Wed May 30 20:38:08 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - skipping GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC64 TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - building GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-30 20:38:08 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC64 >>> Kernel build for GENERIC64 started on Wed May 30 20:38:08 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/slb.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch64.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc64/src/sys/GENERIC64. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-05-30 20:43:28 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-30 20:43:28 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-05-30 20:43:28 - 8913.41 user 1239.18 system 12331.59 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 21:22:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298CA106566B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cjr@cruwe.de) Received: from cruwe.de (cruwe.de [188.40.164.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15998FC0A for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruwe.de (unknown [127.0.0.4]) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03A7D061 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cruwe.de (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A2F7BD060; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:21:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.cruwe.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from dijkstra.cruwe.de (p5B37A4F4.dip.t-dialin.net [91.55.164.244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cruwe.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C865D05E for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:21:35 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120530232135.3fd90d9a@dijkstra.cruwe.de> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV on mail.cruwe.de using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:22:04 -0000 On Wed, 30 May 2012 19:20:31 +0100 David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm > sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish > number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material > (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before > I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using > FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about > FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first > started using it? > > David_______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" 1) Stability in the meaning of "does not break config semantics from one second to the other without mentioning". 2) Help from the list which not only solves your problem, but teaches! also. 3) Features like ZFS, PF, periodic, ZFS ... I could name many more, but you wanted the top three and I am not really sure about the order, so I just typed down those which came to mind first. BTW, I got hooked coming from Gentoo, so I am sure I would miss and then list many more FreeBSD-likables when I would be forced away. Cheers, Christopher From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 21:54:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BBE1065687 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDC98FC17 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so3639732wgb.1 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:54:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Zbbugnqf+1L5+hO3/ubr4avClPDu35nk/ho8HpHe/9I=; b=s4g4Z9CoBvpXmITiSevNkf/N7QHngioHYyVSMzCatvjOQy0GbBYQcmEAIzwnuwBHS4 L0YWFJNlspFCVWmx7LjsplVchKNyJ/7ky6VLoXXhTJd0wdVbDS+k4XB3k14/fVjOeYLY 7xfSkNQcIYxzYc8BIT2Ip6LdxdgVwF43HS1vPSXaQF8gIoQKFXUKz/x9kSFhwdkZQxR3 lWh2bt1tBZRZqgYaXGE6ZQ6G0Ka4W1S6u3mK+t3KbDNqN0O0WfoWkwqApguUpS8i9/9a +hsIPRBtcdYEDD3W/fKck1SSmGJQ5zbVffcis1/FF0MKibXGBL0yrH+w3FusTxCCj6dw 4yqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.215.194 with SMTP id e44mr816981wep.61.1338414891341; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.155.4 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:54:51 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Stable" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Boot hangs on v9 system at CD device probe X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:54:56 -0000 I sent a note about this a couple of weeks ago, but have not heard anything. I'm really getting a bit desperate. I have a system that I am trying to upgrade from 8.2 to 9.0. I have built it and installed the kernel, but it fails to boot. The boot freezes after probing for my hard drives during the probe of the CDROM. It just sits there, seemingly forever, though I have never waited longer then a few minutes. The system is a SuperMicro C25BX mother board. The DVD is PATA, reported on boot of 8-Stable as: acd0: DVDR at ata2-master UDMA66 If I unplug the CDROM, it boots fine, but I really need the device on the system, so I really can't leave it unplugged. Also, after the 9 kernel is installed, my Mk file have been updated so that I can't build some ports if I boot the 8.2 kernel. Does anyone remember this being reported by others? It was most likely on current, as it was probably prior to the release of 9. I googled around, but could not find it. I'd really appreciate it if anyone can point me toward a solution. Thanks, -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 22:29:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D334106566B for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246268FC1C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 22:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so283109wgb.31 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:29:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TPdW/c//NgYYgMT4lTBw5X2WNkpx4nEykurYuQuZFqI=; b=U81fNo+7FGjAxldttoaVwifLKtCLZOFm/+ymxDCrZU/WDOepFyzY8+SdUqUCw4ToOY 3zfRkTzFH5G0PerVeEOfSxryaaw9kqesAjWDtDBiDfJM3q0Y1Ckkn2Lkx/h8JZNGgkRU SE0nLXO4h8OX6Sn39FsG9Ft9CIEJAH/GSBgk1qutuD6n50XmfiMR18CYMhzYGY9+g4Jq VUxvHXiy4OqsmEzuLqr4zgW3MdwyZ6iog4gL49TXUKDKW69YZd/l60IA0p847IcvedrD d+eSdb6D6sWqRHw2uWE6puHGpo+uFJ/+UjqB7AnLS7kabnZOM9VfpE9ztMmWYEDn4saK SV9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.50.140 with SMTP id z12mr7888517web.11.1338416987919; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.88.155 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 15:29:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:29:47 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Kevin Oberman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Stable" Subject: Re: Boot hangs on v9 system at CD device probe X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:29:49 -0000 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > I sent a note about this a couple of weeks ago, but have not heard > anything. I'm really getting a bit desperate. > > I have a system that I am trying to upgrade from 8.2 to 9.0. I have > built it and installed the kernel, but it fails to boot. The boot > freezes after probing for my hard drives during the probe of the > CDROM. It just sits there, seemingly forever, though I have never > waited longer then a few minutes. > > The system is a SuperMicro C25BX mother board. The DVD is PATA, > reported on boot of 8-Stable as: > acd0: DVDR at ata2-master UDMA66 > > If I unplug the CDROM, it boots fine, but I really need the device on > the system, so I really can't leave it unplugged. Also, after the 9 > kernel is installed, my Mk file have been updated so that I can't > build some ports if I boot the 8.2 kernel. Does anyone remember this > being reported by others? It was most likely on current, as it was > probably prior to the release of 9. I googled around, but could not > find it. > > I'd really appreciate it if anyone can point me toward a solution. > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2010-October/020336.html -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 23:04:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4B2106566C; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:04:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=1497c677c0=killing@multiplay.co.uk) Received: from mail1.multiplay.co.uk (mail1.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC208FC15; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:04:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Processed: mail1.multiplay.co.uk, Thu, 31 May 2012 00:03:37 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mail1.multiplay.co.uk X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=6.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST shortcircuit=ham autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 Received: from r2d2 ([188.220.16.49]) by mail1.multiplay.co.uk (mail1.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.23]) (MDaemon PRO v10.0.4) with ESMTP id md50020026196.msg; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:03:36 +0100 X-MDRemoteIP: 188.220.16.49 X-Return-Path: prvs=1497c677c0=killing@multiplay.co.uk X-Envelope-From: killing@multiplay.co.uk Message-ID: <1B7EF7861F7646FB8061B41ED639537A@multiplay.co.uk> From: "Steven Hartland" To: "David Chisnall" , References: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 00:02:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:04:22 -0000 1. The community - Unlike Linux which is very fragmented by all the different flavours and hence individual communities, FreeBSD has one community who are always happy to help with hints tips and advice. This simply cant be beaten! 2. Stability - There's always issue with any OS but in our many years of using FreeBSD, we've never had any issues which haven't been able to fix quickly with the help of the community. 3. Easy and quick to install servers - No other OS comes close with regards to simplicity of install to get a "server" up and running. Initially we used the standard sysinstall, which while had its quirks was still many times faster and easier to use than any Linux installer I've tried. Recently we've been using a small custom version of mfsBSD (http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/) which enables us to do base machine install on any hardware we run in minutes. If you want a 4th I'd have to say ZFS support, the flexibility and simplicity this has brought to the management of storage under FreeBSD has been a godsend! This is the big new one for us :) Regard Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Chisnall" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? David_______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ================================================ This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmaster@multiplay.co.uk. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 30 23:14:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46669106566C for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F8B8FC16 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GNdJ1j0041ZMdJ4A5PDnT0; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:13:47 +0000 Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org ([24.8.232.202]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id GPDm1j0014NgCEG8cPDmQ6; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:13:47 +0000 Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q4UNDiU2014296; Wed, 30 May 2012 17:13:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) From: Ian Lepore To: Kevin Oberman In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:13:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1338419624.36051.94.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Stable" Subject: Re: Boot hangs on v9 system at CD device probe X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:14:53 -0000 On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 14:54 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > I sent a note about this a couple of weeks ago, but have not heard > anything. I'm really getting a bit desperate. > > I have a system that I am trying to upgrade from 8.2 to 9.0. I have > built it and installed the kernel, but it fails to boot. The boot > freezes after probing for my hard drives during the probe of the > CDROM. It just sits there, seemingly forever, though I have never > waited longer then a few minutes. > > The system is a SuperMicro C25BX mother board. The DVD is PATA, > reported on boot of 8-Stable as: > acd0: DVDR at ata2-master UDMA66 > > If I unplug the CDROM, it boots fine, but I really need the device on > the system, so I really can't leave it unplugged. Also, after the 9 > kernel is installed, my Mk file have been updated so that I can't > build some ports if I boot the 8.2 kernel. Does anyone remember this > being reported by others? It was most likely on current, as it was > probably prior to the release of 9. I googled around, but could not > find it. > > I'd really appreciate it if anyone can point me toward a solution. > > Thanks, When faced with a mystery like this I sometimes go into the mode of "poke it with a stick and see if it twitches." If you can get it to twitch at all, maybe that's a starting point. In this case, I guess I might start with seeing if setting hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 in the loader makes any difference. -- Ian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 00:02:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D34106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:02:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA778FC0C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZsqE-0005Vh-3U for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 17:02:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1338422534101-5713522.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 00:02:15 -0000 - You can (change how to) compile /tailor almost everything, yet whole OS doesn't feel fragmented. - Provided you have massive ;) WITHOUT_* stack in make.conf you can have pretty frugal system. (hal, dbus etc.) - Native Opera support, yes it really mattered to me, and still matters. Web browser is usually single most used application. - Compiling base system from source and customising e.g. kernel is actually supported (not like in OpenBSD, which (for valid reasons!) is rather discouraged). - You can actually have all (ports & base) binaries on particular system compiled from source on the same machine, not only it's supported, it's popular route. - Huge ports system, mostly simple & sane (vanilla sources, clear structure). - Portmaster. - Good Thinkpad support usually. - STABLE branch, every day is release day ;) -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Why-Are-You-Using-FreeBSD-tp5713439p5713522.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 00:17:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EBF106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:17:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A608FC08 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SZt4j-0006Il-IR for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 May 2012 17:17:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1338423433564-5713525.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1338422534101-5713522.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1338422534101-5713522.post@n5.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 00:17:14 -0000 - Actually somewhat caring about performance too... (not like OpenBSD). - True unix pedigree, in mostly still retained philosophically. P.S. I'm not bashing OpenBSD, in fact, it's one of my favorite systems, just FreeBSD in it's default form/ src update route is closer to how I would like this system to work/ at this moment. Fully binary system with uniform packages/configuration has it's non disputable merits. Add to this no particular emphasis on performance and OpenBSD could have upper hand for me in that scenario. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Why-Are-You-Using-FreeBSD-tp5713439p5713525.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 00:36:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6F7106564A; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92798FC18; Thu, 31 May 2012 00:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [71.20.75.102]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C0D3816B4A9; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:36:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:35:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:35:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.larseighnerhome.com To: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 00:36:56 -0000 On Wed, 30 May 2012, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, I came to FreeBSD nearly 20 years ago because it had text-mode (aka command line, console, etc.) apps and I wanted to avoid GUIs for applications that are not essentially graphic in nature. The ability to switch for applications essentially graphic (paint, image manipulation, etc.) and back for everything else (writing) without rebooting was very attractive. There is not any graphics font that can put 2000 characters (80x25) on one screen legibly - and that has not changed. The native editors on BSD (vi, emacs) are pretty horrible -- imagine the Frankenstein that thought "I'll just write an editor in Lisp!" But once I discovered Joe, it was smooth sailing. There is no GUI file manager as good as lynx ./ . This is still why I use FreeBSD. I tried linuxes, but found keyboard mapping really opaque. Now, I won't use linuxes because they have abandoned text-mode for rasterized text -- which is just as horrible as GUIs -- and the linux distributions just assume you are trying to run Gnome, completely ignoring formerly text-mode, now rasterized applications. Unfortunately FreeBSD seems to be headed this way and I will have to hop off the upgrade cycle at some version and hope that I die before it becomes orphaned. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 01:14:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0E2106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 01:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C35F8FC12 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 01:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadv36 with SMTP id v36so580301dad.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=jJQkK79ctIEH0tbL6/V+w8OtkMtBFNSLkjwA74KYvw4=; b=M7HHUxupaXEVG5O1BNC7uGyDjFm0ydf/tMB/qB2/gaxp25pALkMRK+5Yeh8xtq1x5k 5irWJwD7YQ740hwjQA8QkesSyuzGX89wSFPOndxSI3mkz/tE4EnwrSvWjJmk/8f06IRL xZeDSwoJGff4orQyhk/Pzf7pc0ThxRcYhzadhM9woP/mkRGELPiKXI70V5MU9KLsnX1V o0B67veOar361agJQd8SYdZbzbT42OB+Yche0gRSbgpGg/7v0IHGBr/9Z2WhUGyyn1zk UbwrgF/QEzf5cr/CmDLExxyzKgMB088lJZfyhU0TxQBUc2DTkRBn3IpumAMIqzkgobVE MzwQ== Received: by 10.68.232.135 with SMTP id to7mr671864pbc.143.1338426848125; Wed, 30 May 2012 18:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.6] (dsl093-034-235.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net. [66.93.34.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qq2sm2281666pbc.27.2012.05.30.18.14.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 May 2012 18:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC6C5E2.2060103@brianwhalen.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:14:10 -0700 From: Brian User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkxtsEkqJJETlGWXCS6p6ZQcjRYCkQttAsi+U+ABywZqSkODrjHrjx3p/jgi1j3EQwAdvoJ Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 01:14:09 -0000 On 5/30/2012 11:20 AM, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > > David_______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" SMP support (pause) new (longer pause) I spent as little time as possible in version 5.x. For me there are a few reasons I like FreeBSD. I was first introduced to FreeBSD by a coworker in 1997 or so. I had tried a bit of Linux before that. I was working for a SunOS/Solaris using ISP at the time; so when I tried FreeBSD it did seem to make more sense to me. The keys are these. The filesystem layout just makes much more intuitive sense to me. If I want a barebones system where I just add what I want to it, that is easily available. Minimal install + packages/ports I need has been my approach for awhile. Although I have gotten in trouble with the FreeBSD ports/packages system, the tools that FreeBSD includes make it much easier to recover from package dependency messes than the Linux version so lovingly called RPM hell The stable version is pretty reliable; I have been tracking -stable on a couple home mail servers for several years, perhaps a decade. In all that time, I only once had a serious problem, caused by drive detection changes; I used ee to edit some files and I was all set. Brian Whalen From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 02:58:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332C9106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 02:58:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36538FC08 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 02:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werg1 with SMTP id g1so387605wer.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:58:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=H+2w4d8zPDfY5hqgIK7bKzELYtS0KfW8IvISIqJ0Q4w=; b=MCR/qplEIAcN3c4JZ8WdTF0OBYNFDR+VYlVDx9Os1VOeYbGih9qjgI+EXPUnT+1Hda 3+vYctMI/2IOov/HErhchUu7xvusXS2vhrIOx2Lea+OIBM18hnv9Pw6vjjc4OBCTmyqj xqGfO+B4/RAXRw937CI5C/fLzD+Y3yJBx//8MNUQu2UhNM7ZIYFqkXvO1kB2JRRcWau1 ie+q1YZFal6w6pUKQEra+4zk+aripON7JZMfzNRW8kSnmv7glewfCbeTK5+bP1WmatQ/ kDhyIOqIlyXmMeJXMNiTfy9T0DRg9zGyOdK3d4ncIJHidfIJFi3gI9UB1CyFehAHRSMR xaCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.134.145 with SMTP id s17mr6029501wei.22.1338433116443; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.155.4 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2012 19:58:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:58:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Stable" Subject: Re: Boot hangs on v9 system at CD device probe X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 02:58:38 -0000 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> >> I sent a note about this a couple of weeks ago, but have not heard >> anything. I'm really getting a bit desperate. >> >> I have a system that I am trying to upgrade from 8.2 to 9.0. I have >> built it and installed the kernel, but it fails to boot. The boot >> freezes after probing for my hard drives during the probe of the >> CDROM. It just sits there, seemingly forever, though I have never >> waited longer then a few minutes. >> >> The system is a SuperMicro C25BX mother board. The DVD is PATA, >> reported on boot of 8-Stable as: >> acd0: DVDR at ata2-master UDMA66 >> >> If I unplug the CDROM, it boots fine, but I really need the device on >> the system, so I really can't leave it unplugged. Also, after the 9 >> kernel is installed, my Mk file have been updated so that I can't >> build some ports if I boot the 8.2 kernel. Does anyone remember this >> being reported by others? It was most likely on current, as it was >> probably prior to the release of 9. I googled around, but could not >> find it. >> >> I'd really appreciate it if anyone can point me toward a solution. > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2010-October/020336.html Thanks, Adam. That is the thread I remembered. Unfortunately it was "fixed" by use of the ahci driver. As mine is 9.0-Stable, ahci is already there. Also, my disks are SATA, but they are connected to a 3Ware raid as RAID-1 and they look a SCSI disk (da0) to the system. I guess I'll build a kernel with KDB and try booting with a disk in the drive. I'll also try your suggestion, Ian, and try booting with DMA off. not that the drive will be terribly useful without it. If the problem is the same one David had with 9-Current a year and a half ago. Thanks, Adam and Ian. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 03:19:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70631065673; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.org) Received: from dragon.nuxi.org (trang.nuxi.org [74.95.12.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41FC8FC12; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dragon.nuxi.org (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4V3JP1i078098; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.org) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4V3JPZn078097; Wed, 30 May 2012 20:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:19:25 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: sbruno@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120531031925.GB77656@dragon.NUXI.org> References: <1337890075.2709.16.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1337890075.2709.16.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: bash 4.2 patchlevel 28 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 03:19:25 -0000 On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 01:07:55PM -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > Noted that the following syntax is broken somewhere between 4.2 > patchlevel 10 and 28. I'm sure its because we shouldn't be doing that > over here at big purple, but we do ... and its a PITA. I'm bisecting to > find out what is going on. Hi Sean, Were you able to track down which patch 10-28 broke this for you? thanks, -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 04:13:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85645106564A; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from areilly@bigpond.net.au) Received: from nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8438FC0C; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.188.162.192]) by nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120531041324.SBHI22122.nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com>; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:13:24 +0000 Received: from johnny.reilly.home ([124.188.162.192]) by nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20120531041323.ENVY1687.nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@johnny.reilly.home>; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:13:23 +0000 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:13:13 +1000 From: Andrew Reilly To: David Chisnall Message-ID: <20120531041313.GA97136@johnny.reilly.home> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-SIH-MSG-ID: qh47GNzuXAD+xDJw0jPvNAJ+xA/u8yI74J0WRdJsoQQZSkTduMjcU677NrM8kMf21z9cNh6PP2IqYaj0X4/QsOM= Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 04:13:32 -0000 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:20:31PM +0100, David Chisnall wrote: > If you had to list > the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you > pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? 1) Using it doesn't require changing me (well, at least change is gradual and continuous.) (BSD since '86, even though the hardware dies every few years.) 2) Incremental updates from source are easy. (What's running corresponds to the source on the system, so I can fix breakage as I find it. Not that that's common.) 3) ZFS turns out to be very cool, and seems to work really well. (3) is new, but (1) and (2) have been there since the beginning (since it was the patchkit.) [Another change, not listed among the three most-liked things, but still something that I like equivocally, is that I've stopped fighting GUIs, and relegated my FreeBSD boxes to servers. GUI work I've delegated to Macs. That could yet change back/again, if Macs keep getting worse...] Cheers, -- Andrew From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 04:24:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCF2106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8B98FC0C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadv36 with SMTP id v36so759105dad.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:24:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=ztjguiy22pblcnfC3A3dNHh/LIcjxVjaDnip8hIoS7c=; b=AL+JKV0lI/RJhrHDbEVP2P7PbiDPTnxqOerWxbYSzo15QaI7Kn0ctkbIR3nlTtFlow 15T4zLY6eyAkQBljNbe182m4+FRDPZwL+yvA9JIAEWzSmnCv5nP/qCKxPzlFqkZtbrfN h6nVoIgJDfawVjkKgo43U4FJTEgKTDkVlDVIcxgC049slvRcqq9WHreNKDKaI5cc7A11 H79Yg9/EDDmLM88dtLeXtaqfcRRcpXhgC3QWZgfDhxBxUTrQYXDyfcR/1IwDIzZum4F7 86uKk+hf7yabwHoo5F+17o1cGeBKvLE5QVxKwomortczLgDTn+iBENjcIFhAb0EmQpzb mN0g== Received: by 10.68.134.1 with SMTP id pg1mr2669579pbb.1.1338438254171; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.6] (dsl093-034-235.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net. [66.93.34.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tj4sm2787683pbc.33.2012.05.30.21.24.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 30 May 2012 21:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC6F270.7000206@brianwhalen.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:24:16 -0700 From: Brian User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQls1GzHbpZ0jGwsUpKefYeYkQJZjMGQETJfkBrn4HDxha8VstqGAzxCxlS9/upeZ0fty0iU Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 04:24:14 -0000 On 5/30/2012 1:26 PM, Oliver Pinter wrote: > On 5/30/12, David Chisnall wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it >> to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. >> >> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which >> advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like >> to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had >> to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? >> Are they the same as when you first started using it? > Hi! > > Likes (sorry, not only 3 item): > ---------------------------------------------------------- > 1) FreeBSD is NOT Linux = FreeBSD is stable, reliable, simple (there > are no automated brainfucks... like udev, hal and dbus in base system) > 2) has a clean source, and FreeBSD is maintainable: if there are a > working driver in N+2 version, I have a much bigger chance, that > working in N too > 3) is highly configurable (~ 1) ), I like rc.conf and sysctl (linux's > procfs and sysfs is a chaos ...) > 4) FreeBSD has a ports system, that contained KDE3 > 5) well documented > 6) not fragmented as Linux, (relation to many distro, that not have idea/goal) > 7) not GPL > 8) FreeBSD is a complete system, and not just a kernel + random thing > from everywhere, and not hackish > > Are they the same as when you first started using it? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > yes Seconding David above, #7 is a big deal. I heard John "Maddog" Hall speak in person a few years back in San Diego re GPL3 and just walked out of there thinking scratching my head. Brian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 05:16:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D601065672; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCF28FC08; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4V5GftA096320; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:16:41 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4V5GfJI096310; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:16:41 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 05:16:41 GMT Message-Id: <201205310516.q4V5GfJI096310@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 05:16:42 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-31 02:09:21 - 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TB --- 2012-05-31 05:16:41 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-31 05:16:41 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 05:16:41 - 7804.29 user 1042.48 system 11239.98 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 06:02:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9110C106564A; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F65B8FC0C; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4V62bK0004884; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:02:37 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4V62bW6004883; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:02:37 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:02:37 GMT Message-Id: <201205310602.q4V62bW6004883@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:02:38 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-31 02:37:46 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-05-31 02:37:46 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-05-31 02:37:46 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc64/powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 02:37:46 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-05-31 02:38:39 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-05-31 02:38:39 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc64/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - building world TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 02:39:43 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Thu May 31 02:39:45 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> stage 5.1: building 32 bit shim libraries >>> World build completed on Thu May 31 05:38:03 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 05:38:03 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Thu May 31 05:38:03 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Thu May 31 05:57:33 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-31 05:57:33 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 05:57:33 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-05-31 05:57:33 - skipping GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 05:57:33 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 05:57:33 - 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TB --- 2012-05-31 06:02:37 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-31 06:02:37 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 06:02:37 - 8892.93 user 1233.27 system 12291.41 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 08:58:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64C01065670; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:58:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A395B8FC12; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc2-cmbg15-2-0-cust790.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.26.15.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4V8wpAs015328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 31 May 2012 08:58:52 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:58:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <642DB73D-7DCA-4E6C-838B-7D9B23B3E310@FreeBSD.org> References: To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:58:56 -0000 Thanks to all who replied, both on and off list. I've attempted to = distill the replies that I got into a coherent summary. I've put the = draft on the wiki here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhyUseFreeBSD Feedback welcome! David On 30 May 2012, at 19:20, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, >=20 > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm = sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number = of users. =20 >=20 > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material = (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I = do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using = FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about = FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first = started using it? =20 >=20 > David From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 09:28:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FE7106566C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (mail.digital-infotech.net [41.211.25.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDFA8FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:28:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171D82E40FF for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:28:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digital-infotech.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01544-03 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:28:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from Prabhpals-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [41.211.28.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BAEF12E40FE for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:28:45 +0000 (GMT) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 mail.digital-infotech.net BAEF12E40FE DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digital-infotech.net; s=digital; t=1338456525; bh=iOz/za5rJm3f85mjWjaKxZ3Lhe2tC1hTai9Nit8zWZs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=uK12M5F63zHOESGBLZ76+z3+iqiNFbm2mNpUPF/Wt7r7uLlAcCITXzk5NLWpn0pDT TO/INjt3g01GMYtMK2TbVce55eT3VEIM1gcR9oGiiKmGxjHS3zV9uVCvD8VJUALBpZ Ow4fTWAD9VNB7LBpyL9ERF3M3ykdE3ZkU+zdTdCI= Message-ID: <4FC739C7.6040701@digital-infotech.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:28:39 +0000 From: Prabhpal -Mailing-List User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:28:54 -0000 On 5/30/12 6:52 PM, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David Chisnallwrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it >> to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. >> >> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which >> advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd >> like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If >> you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would >> you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > Hi, i would not say very much different than the guys have said. FreeBSD system is know as heavy duty system and chooice of admins where solid rock performace is required, such as telecom industries, extremly large environment, any individual can also use FreeBSD for same purpose. There are many meaningfull reason those can prove FreeBSD is best system. 1.) I use FreeBSD because it is extremely robust System. 2.) Stability / Reliability / it's ability 3.) FreeBSD known for its ability to handle heavy network traffic with high performance and rock solid reliability 4.) Resource management is very good for FreeBSD, such as Memory, processor use. (I maintain 218 Linux / Unix Server) therefor i know of. 5.) FreeBSD is the system of choice for high performance network applications. 6.) pf is better than iptables. 7.) many many more Thanks / Nath NK From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 09:59:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46EE106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:59:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.zoral.com.ua (mx0.zoral.com.ua [91.193.166.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E338FC0C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q4V9wlJv012160; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:58:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4V9wlpk032573; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:58:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4V9wluH032572; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:58:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:58:47 +0300 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20120531095847.GN2358@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <201205301615.q4UGFxSF051308@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f7rhGhcaiuL9D15N" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201205301615.q4UGFxSF051308@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i386 binaries on amd64: ldconfig problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:59:04 -0000 --f7rhGhcaiuL9D15N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 06:15:59PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I've recently migrated my workstation from i386 to amd64 > (finally, because I neeed to go beyond 4 GB RAM). The > transition went smoothly so far, except for one thing: > I need to use several old i386 binaries, which all work > well except for one: olvwm. >=20 > $ uname -rsm > FreeBSD 8.3-STABLE-20120528 amd64 >=20 > $ olvwm > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libXpm.so.4: unsupported file layout >=20 > $ file olvwm > olvwm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), > dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for FreeBSD 8.2 (802502), stripped >=20 > $ ldd olvwm > olvwm: > libXpm.so.4 =3D> not found (0x0) > libolgx.so.3 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libolgx.so.3 (0x280d100= 0) > libXext.so.6 =3D> not found (0x0) > libX11.so.6 =3D> not found (0x0) > libm.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib32/libm.so.5 (0x280df000) > libc.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x280f9000) >=20 > $ ldconfig -32 -r | head -2 > /var/run/ld-elf32.so.hints: > search directories: /usr/lib32:/usr/local/lib32:/usr/local/lib32/= compat >=20 > $ ldconfig -32 -r | egrep 'libXpm|libXext|libX11' > 190:-lXpm.4 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4 > 192:-lXext.6 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXext.so.6 > 193:-lX11.6 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libX11.so.6 >=20 > So, the 32bit libraries are there, ldconfig knows about them, > but the runtime linker does not, apparently. >=20 > Interestingly, it works when I force the library path (this > is currently the work-around that I'm using): >=20 > LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH=3D/usr/local/lib32/compat ldd olvwm > olvwm: > libXpm.so.4 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXpm.so.4 (0x280d1000) > libolgx.so.3 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libolgx.so.3 (0x280e100= 0) > libXext.so.6 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXext.so.6 (0x280ef00= 0) > libX11.so.6 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libX11.so.6 (0x280fe000) > libm.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib32/libm.so.5 (0x28216000) > libc.so.7 =3D> /usr/lib32/libc.so.7 (0x28230000) > libxcb.so.2 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libxcb.so.2 (0x2834b000) > libXau.so.6 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXau.so.6 (0x28362000) > libXdmcp.so.6 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x28365= 000) > libpthread-stubs.so.0 =3D> /usr/local/lib32/compat/libpthread-stu= bs.so.0 (0x2836a000) > librpcsvc.so.5 =3D> /usr/lib32/librpcsvc.so.5 (0x2836c000) >=20 > But actually I shouldn't have to use LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH. > I mean, it's ldconfig's job to configure the directories for > locating the libraries. >=20 > What is wrong here? The library search order is LD_{32}_LIBRARY_PATH, then DT_RPATH from the binary, then hints, then /lib:/usr/lib. So if rpath of the binary contains /usr/local/lib, you get /usr/local/lib before hints. Rtld uses only the search path from the hints file. When a library with the matched name found, rtld tries to load it. Regardless of the result of the load attempt, further components of the search path list are not tried. Look at the olvwm binary with readelf and see whether DT_RPATH specifies /usr/local/lib. --f7rhGhcaiuL9D15N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/HQNcACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4gVcACdHedoV8m3niD2mLPyMmOJy0KF TaoAoI9K/PuiqY1gX3XSn4ntV58vFI0e =YYTs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f7rhGhcaiuL9D15N-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:01:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE8B1065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DCF8FC12 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4VA1jZC031399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:01:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC74189.2090505@digsys.bg> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:01:45 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:01:56 -0000 1) Been with BSD/OS since it's inception. Great OS and good example to follow. But BSD/OS was eventually killed and FreeBSD sort of inherited it's legacy. Both follow the simplicity and good architecture models, with FreeBSD improving on modularity. 2) The BSD license. Contrary to popular belief, it has brought a lot of high quality development to FreeBSD. 3) Universal toolkit. It scales easily from the thinnest embedded system, to various desktops to huge servers -- all with the same familiar tools and environment. Sure, for consumption there are "easier" systems, such as PC-BSD (FreeBSD again), Ubuntu and, of course OS X. But there is no better platform, or kit to build whatever you need around. Daniel From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:05:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495B31065670; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jherman@dichotomia.fr) Received: from mail.dichotomia.fr (hydrogen.dichotomia.net [91.121.82.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0658FC08; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from webmail.dichotomia.fr (unknown [91.121.82.228]) (Authenticated sender: kha) by mail.dichotomia.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A6ED83DD055; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:03:03 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:03:03 +0200 From: Jerome Herman To: David Chisnall Organization: Dichotomia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19cb30d8b44b556faedcdff59ebb2503@mail.dichotomia.fr> X-Sender: jherman@dichotomia.fr User-Agent: Dichotomia Webmail/0.4 X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.dichotomia.fr); Thu, 31 May 2012 12:03:03 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:05:08 -0000 On Wed, 30 May 2012 19:20:31 +0100, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm > sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish > number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material > (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before > I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using > FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about > FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first > started using it? > > David_______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" There are lots of reasons but in my mind the top three are : 1 - It works 2 - It works everytime 3 - It works everytime the way I expected it to work. I would like to be able to say this about any other OS, the closest I ever got to this level of reliability and reproductibility in behaviour was with VAX-VMS. -- Jérôme Herman Directeur Technique 06 14 37 76 28 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:07:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9101065675 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9632B8FC1A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eabm6 with SMTP id m6so268637eab.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:06:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=aMIej+WERr0ediVqfhQ1Kf3my0kCPV/Z24hhohuBkb0=; b=bC9qHHL9x4v9YYCyV7n5QmBOJ/7HFdWS5+BLJPLv2XY2T2GCwGVe7nAEhhZlOI7TIf 4G509USNK5TVztUDJ80Vsuys0+jPmqtjT7gL6dIlUfytL982IuNgPBxv+6DkJ3oYUS2z uCJLhkBxmMdtYnVE/oKgjVY+Mb+wMf2MPFpMaq6Otdz4M1XoSVPM5LHUb88oKlJ3eVdl SmWgqIbq241Wt2O3x4dcSDlDV93DvBXLogxLzfUlza1XQbt9/yahzx0NeMkWNdvtSymF eaes5boTzqP2ufmAm5olYIHkRonuXdfwnUiwfcKHjEg/1VNTfTkzAljOjsiaKcU6Mwix /eOw== Received: by 10.14.100.142 with SMTP id z14mr8720120eef.91.1338458818439; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q53sm8636384eef.8.2012.05.31.03.06.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 03:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:06:55 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnxBdyx645FrwVXeeHD/J2+764wnzEbL+m7QIxpmgKKdZDB5wLGWnXuIWW6OzE/TH0RsQkZ Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:07:00 -0000 On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > > David We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: - CARP - relayd - PF - pfsync Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, haproxy, db...): - "hard" to use - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to debian's for example) A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:21:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835D41065674 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [217.69.76.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A638FC16 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [217.69.76.211]) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321226A6010; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:21:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.0x20.net Received: from mail.0x20.net ([217.69.76.211]) by mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [217.69.76.211]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iyOq_Fpmu-yw; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:21:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb:1::3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB7F26A6002; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:21:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4VALR7M018304; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:21:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: (from lars@localhost) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q4VALR7v018119; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:21:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lars) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:21:27 +0200 From: Lars Engels To: Damien Fleuriot Message-ID: <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L6+lUPd1XOsaFBch" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE-p6 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:21:29 -0000 --L6+lUPd1XOsaFBch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >=20 > On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > >=20 > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending= it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. = =20 > >=20 > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which= advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd li= ke to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you = had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you p= ick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? =20 > >=20 > > David >=20 >=20 > We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. >=20 >=20 > Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: > - CARP > - relayd > - PF > - pfsync >=20 > Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, > haproxy, db...): > - "hard" to use > - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to > debian's for example) >=20 > A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot > A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after > installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) But how often do you need to update? --L6+lUPd1XOsaFBch Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/HRicACgkQKc512sD3afj6ZgCgvKoHl+k/OZuGHQxWh/IbXd6V I4AAn2xfB7OKYZr9S00P6eppvrYdhT32 =itOA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L6+lUPd1XOsaFBch-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:28:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C4F106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from egrosbein@rdtc.ru) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (eg.sd.rdtc.ru [IPv6:2a03:3100:c:13::5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA8A8FC0C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4VASgXD023621; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:28:42 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from egrosbein@rdtc.ru) Message-ID: <4FC747DA.8040902@rdtc.ru> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:28:42 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; ru-RU; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110112 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Konstantin Belousov References: <201205301615.q4UGFxSF051308@lurza.secnetix.de> <20120531095847.GN2358@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> In-Reply-To: <20120531095847.GN2358@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: i386 binaries on amd64: ldconfig problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:28:46 -0000 31.05.2012 16:58, Konstantin Belousov writes: >> But actually I shouldn't have to use LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH. >> I mean, it's ldconfig's job to configure the directories for >> locating the libraries. >> >> What is wrong here? > The library search order is LD_{32}_LIBRARY_PATH, then DT_RPATH from > the binary, then hints, then /lib:/usr/lib. So if rpath of the binary > contains /usr/local/lib, you get /usr/local/lib before hints. > > Rtld uses only the search path from the hints file. When a library with > the matched name found, rtld tries to load it. Regardless of the result > of the load attempt, further components of the search path list are not > tried. > > Look at the olvwm binary with readelf and see whether DT_RPATH specifies > /usr/local/lib. I've faced exactly same problem. What can be done other to rebuild of all such 32bit bit binaries to make them work for transition period? Should libmap32.conf help? It seems it does not. Eugene Grosbein From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:32:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8E41065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [IPv6:2001:470:28:38a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A998FC12 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142841CC6C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:32:35 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 142841CC6C DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1338460355; bh=E7g0oXj2HEnbb1REdgpVn8T7RSK75dCCcys0hK3s0Sk=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; z=X-Virus-Scanned:=20amavisd-new=20at=20liukuma.net|X-DKIM:=20Sendm ail=20DKIM=20Filter=20v2.8.3=20www.liukuma.net=204E20E1CC69|Messag e-ID:=20<8D0EEF84F8E2487FAEF8C3376C30D32D@Rivendell>|From:=20"Reko =20Turja"=20|To:=20|References:=20=20<4FC74189.2090505@digsys.bg>|In-Reply-To:=20<4FC74189.20905 05@digsys.bg>|Subject:=20Re:=20Why=20Are=20You=20Using=20FreeBSD?| Date:=20Thu,=2031=20May=202012=2013:32:29=20+0300|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=0D=0A=09format=3Dflowed=3B=0D=0A =09charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=3B=0D=0A=09reply-type=3Dresponse|Content -Transfer-Encoding:=207bit|X-Priority:=203|X-MSMail-Priority:=20No rmal|Importance:=20Normal|X-Mailer:=20Microsoft=20Windows=20Live=2 0Mail=2015.4.3555.308|X-MimeOLE:=20Produced=20By=20Microsoft=20Mim eOLE=20V15.4.3555.308; b=o2jFVGm0ELeHtMlJF642QOhd5r9EyUS7XSHb0WJE4dbgLoB38riPetFn0Z3iTrKB+ fA9eZpNUV9597Bc68CF9mAreLefKPk1bGSYoxOfwxg3BDDPqGL/cWYSVTpE5T1GSRU KZxNSlfUr0Ij7dMiBVX4bG07EBn/AHSU1m4tKIsM= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id LtifUdxyEFQv for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:32:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Rivendell (dsl-kmibrasgw1-fe47de00-175.dhcp.inet.fi [80.222.71.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E20E1CC69 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:32:31 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 4E20E1CC69 Message-ID: <8D0EEF84F8E2487FAEF8C3376C30D32D@Rivendell> From: "Reko Turja" To: References: <4FC74189.2090505@digsys.bg> In-Reply-To: <4FC74189.2090505@digsys.bg> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:32:29 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:36 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Kalchev Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:01 PM 2) The BSD license. Contrary to popular belief, it has brought a lot of high quality development to FreeBSD. The salient point is that BSD license (and alike licenses)seem to bring in more talented people than GPL. Postgres vs. MySQL, BSD's vs. Loonix, Postfix, Apache etc... It's funny that talented people are pleased to see their code freely distributed, where mediocritys try their best to put it under viral licensing. -Reko From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:32:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DBB1065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Holger.Kipp@alogis.com) Received: from alogis.com (firewall.solit-ag.de [212.184.102.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19718FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from msx3.exchange.alogis.com (msx3exchange.alogis.com [10.1.1.6] (may be forged)) by alogis.com (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q4VAWgRY098545; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:32:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Holger.Kipp@alogis.com) Received: from MSX3.exchange.alogis.com ([fe80::c8ed:428a:a157:b61]) by msx3.exchange.alogis.com ([fe80::c8ed:428a:a157:b61%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0255.000; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:32:36 +0200 From: Holger Kipp To: Lars Engels Thread-Topic: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? Thread-Index: AQHNPpFRsEG8V9iuKkOG+PqLvHmQ15bji42AgAAED4CAACSlNQ== Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:36 +0000 Message-ID: <5A58FAE7-F176-4E69-9460-6DDB12064BAE@alogis.com> References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd>,<20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> In-Reply-To: <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> Accept-Language: en-GB, de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:32:45 -0000 Hi, Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb "Lars Engels" : > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending= it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. >>> >>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which= advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd li= ke to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you = had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you p= ick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? >>> >>> David >> >> >> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. >> >> >> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: >> - CARP >> - relayd >> - PF >> - pfsync >> >> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, >> haproxy, db...): >> - "hard" to use >> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to >> debian's for example) >> >> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) > > But how often do you need to update? That reminds me - there is still a 2.2.8 system up and running that needs t= o be replaced ;-) For a server farm, one can use a central server who provides all packages t= hat need to be upgraded, so it is usually only one system that needs a long= er time. All others just mount the directories and install/upgrade using co= mpiled world and /usr/ports/packages/All :-) Nice and easy. Best regards, Holger -- Holger Kipp Diplom-Mathematiker Senior Consultant Tel. : +49 30 436 58 114 Fax. : +49 30 436 58 214 Mobil: +49 178 36 58 114 Email: holger.kipp@alogis.com alogis AG Alt-Moabit 90b D-10559 Berlin web : http://www.alogis.com ---------------------------------------------------------- alogis AG Sitz/Registergericht: Berlin/AG Charlottenburg, HRB 71484 Vorstand: Arne Friedrichs, Joern Samuelson Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Reinhard Mielke From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:38:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA721065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B46C8FC15 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q4VAbjwF089072; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:38:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q4VAbjLR089071; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:37:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:37:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201205311037.q4VAbjLR089071@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, kostikbel@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20120531095847.GN2358@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.9.6-20101126 ("Burnside") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 31 May 2012 12:38:00 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: i386 binaries on amd64: ldconfig problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, kostikbel@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:38:03 -0000 Konstantin Belousov wrote: > The library search order is LD_{32}_LIBRARY_PATH, then DT_RPATH from > the binary, then hints, then /lib:/usr/lib. So if rpath of the binary > contains /usr/local/lib, you get /usr/local/lib before hints. > > Rtld uses only the search path from the hints file. When a library with > the matched name found, rtld tries to load it. Regardless of the result > of the load attempt, further components of the search path list are not > tried. I see. Thanks for the explanation, now I understand. I forgot about rpath and thought that the hints would take precedence. > Look at the olvwm binary with readelf and see whether DT_RPATH specifies > /usr/local/lib. Yes, it does: 0x0000000f (RPATH) Library rpath: [/usr/local/lib] Well, then I will just keep my LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH workaround. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd The easiest way to teach yourself C++ in 21 days: http://abstrusegoose.com/249 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 10:38:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD17106566C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:38:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@zzattack.org) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04508FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so290692eek.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:38:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zzattack.org; s=google; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gI3Zic3AdwXOaFMR8iJprvHYW8o08YpHovMYKhkI364=; b=PrmDMDegTClkPbt2nsmp7vLziEh+/9ljeKU8GtNU9oGciQVWhZMnMltU2YaOZg6M3v 1mLQPYsN4aLi8ABZFsy7fqMXPw1lXYRRtdLjbViJ1KEyvkv1jsWlfYA2VTgqv6i3fUAG DdrYuNJRRmUEwBXfvhuLMvqchbLSn1hk5SUZc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=gI3Zic3AdwXOaFMR8iJprvHYW8o08YpHovMYKhkI364=; b=fLIFoEmeBxZ+Bgp1pUz1FNhzp6YZvmMagSLCc6f3/AXvLt+FyBAHtLCFGYCdNZy8lO C24OSERCBjINhhmo3jYqMhgo6B9mG48Wjhgnd40i1NpaEYPsoLZt8sLTkdll+W9ZsF6w gl/ZTXRoG2Sk6KAKiLOYKjrk+Daf4Y/XF6rmWbkTBVjtNTGG8r02Jz76Sg7ohG+nt3wO oqgCY3cuUlIQ2aEkOjB9APnI3gZ3/97t6OpwBd93BB+3LHY/55zQRrZc75tNb26cCl7g JLnpiHtCTFYOEGJD2DLBWcBgYBjWoLEPDGakbfQZHzILSN8evTCu2J4/YJ3YxlsrmVaK vuxg== Received: by 10.14.53.67 with SMTP id f43mr7788285eec.3.1338460689686; Thu, 31 May 2012 03:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.31.45.20] (215-67-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl. [88.159.67.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e45sm3350368eeb.6.2012.05.31.03.38.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 03:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC74A01.90307@zzattack.org> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:37:53 +0200 From: Frank Razenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd>, <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <5A58FAE7-F176-4E69-9460-6DDB12064BAE@alogis.com> In-Reply-To: <5A58FAE7-F176-4E69-9460-6DDB12064BAE@alogis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQng8gRvK1okEzvmZ4Qvdphl1C5mHLGL3fkcMeBs8ve09Ku7RmyC5az7DKap2r2NypNOXQa8 Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:38:40 -0000 In no specific order, for me they are: - Rock solid stability, not only in base-system but also in ports. - The completeness of the ports system and helpfulness of the maintainers. - ZFS Frank On 5/31/2012 12:32 PM, Holger Kipp wrote: > Hi, > > Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb "Lars Engels": > >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> >>> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. >>>> >>>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? >>>> >>>> David >>> >>> >>> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. >>> >>> >>> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: >>> - CARP >>> - relayd >>> - PF >>> - pfsync >>> >>> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, >>> haproxy, db...): >>> - "hard" to use >>> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to >>> debian's for example) >>> >>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >> >> But how often do you need to update? > > That reminds me - there is still a 2.2.8 system up and running that needs to be replaced ;-) > > For a server farm, one can use a central server who provides all packages that need to be upgraded, so it is usually only one system that needs a longer time. All others just mount the directories and install/upgrade using compiled world and /usr/ports/packages/All :-) > > Nice and easy. > > Best regards, > Holger > > > -- > Holger Kipp > Diplom-Mathematiker > Senior Consultant > > Tel. : +49 30 436 58 114 > Fax. : +49 30 436 58 214 > Mobil: +49 178 36 58 114 > Email: holger.kipp@alogis.com > > alogis AG > Alt-Moabit 90b > D-10559 Berlin > > web : http://www.alogis.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > alogis AG > Sitz/Registergericht: Berlin/AG Charlottenburg, HRB 71484 > Vorstand: Arne Friedrichs, Joern Samuelson > Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Reinhard Mielke > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 11:02:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755F1106566C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (alchemy.franken.de [194.94.249.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28788FC17 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alchemy.franken.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/ALCHEMY.FRANKEN.DE) with ESMTP id q4VB2F8W078247; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:02:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marius@alchemy.franken.de) Received: (from marius@localhost) by alchemy.franken.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q4VB2F9S078246; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:02:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marius) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:02:15 +0200 From: Marius Strobl To: Ian Lepore Message-ID: <20120531110215.GA78200@alchemy.franken.de> References: <1338419624.36051.94.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1338419624.36051.94.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Stable" Subject: Re: Boot hangs on v9 system at CD device probe X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:02:26 -0000 On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 05:13:44PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 14:54 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > I sent a note about this a couple of weeks ago, but have not heard > > anything. I'm really getting a bit desperate. > > > > I have a system that I am trying to upgrade from 8.2 to 9.0. I have > > built it and installed the kernel, but it fails to boot. The boot > > freezes after probing for my hard drives during the probe of the > > CDROM. It just sits there, seemingly forever, though I have never > > waited longer then a few minutes. > > > > The system is a SuperMicro C25BX mother board. The DVD is PATA, > > reported on boot of 8-Stable as: > > acd0: DVDR at ata2-master UDMA66 > > > > If I unplug the CDROM, it boots fine, but I really need the device on > > the system, so I really can't leave it unplugged. Also, after the 9 > > kernel is installed, my Mk file have been updated so that I can't > > build some ports if I boot the 8.2 kernel. Does anyone remember this > > being reported by others? It was most likely on current, as it was > > probably prior to the release of 9. I googled around, but could not > > find it. > > > > I'd really appreciate it if anyone can point me toward a solution. > > > > Thanks, > > When faced with a mystery like this I sometimes go into the mode of > "poke it with a stick and see if it twitches." If you can get it to > twitch at all, maybe that's a starting point. In this case, I guess I > might start with seeing if setting hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 in the loader > makes any difference. > Note that hw.ata.atapi_dma isn't honored by 9.0 with options ATA_CAM (default in GENERIC). Support for that loader tuneable was only resurrected rather recently (but is available in stable/9). The equivalent for 9.0 would be setting hint.ata.X.mode to PIO4 where X is the number of the ata(4) device attached for the channel the CDROM is connected to. ATA_CAM is indeed known to break ATAPI DMA for some ATA controllers though. What's the `pciconf -lv` output for this one? Marius From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 11:03:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13501065688; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leschnik@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7845E8FC21; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so723258ghb.17 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:03:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=860AgE97ttwr1F6RGSJxEIzdhpr7kQnrmJ97kBJvskk=; b=t0hwfXUjRJLtXIXR6S3JPSkOlu9e14DhVnzWGQpMmE/oLyVCICIHjox+bi5p3B+DSX cUn5BKkaZz4Ms3FZb1CaFPz10KESpak1wUlo66jbEP2FmgwWSukw3zvQixnvtFGoWoqK r8PyJS80bro/MrWnetbPqN9aql1ASZeGDtrah+nWpmp4wFxhQMq5zfYYTi3B/SEl935F JIZVkEzOlk6B523Gy1tKoIELyFbS86vcWguhhQ1T+wHqNRmEAejGPf9bSSYFGRcNskP0 6f+oxa6bcxrnaL8NJtIOsoQgLDlbGmXqmOK+rXpaNiBBGpRdbDWBJiECZh4Y8AXVFf5I uo7w== Received: by 10.236.190.168 with SMTP id e28mr1807583yhn.57.1338462204889; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:03:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.17 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:03:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jason Leschnik Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:03:04 +1000 Message-ID: To: Pierre-Luc Drouin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, David Chisnall Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:03:26 -0000 I've only been using FreeBSD for about ~2 years, the thing i really like about FreeBSD is the stability of the configuration system. Placement of configuration files and startup scripts make life easier in daily administration. The things i'm using FreeBSD for? # Gateway Router # Squid Proxy cache # Web Server (Apache 2.2) #> Wordpress Blog # Primary/Secondary DNS (Bind) # DHCP # PXE Boot machine # Syslog Server # Firewall (very much in love with PF) I'm not really confident with updates yet, still learning so yet to push a FreeBSD machine into production. Thanks. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David Chisnall wro= te: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending = it >> to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. >> >> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which >> advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd >> like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. =A0= If >> you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which woul= d >> you pick? =A0Are they the same as when you first started using it? >> >> David_______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >> > > For me it is: > > -Stability > -Well-structured OS (i.e. filesystem, kernel and its config, etc) > -The ports system > > These are also the elements that made me start using FreeBSD about a deca= de > ago. So these are mainly consequences of the development strategy of > FreeBSD, as opposed to the free for all approach of Linux. Personally, wh= at > makes me choose Linux over FreeBSD for laptop usage is the very limited > acpi support of FreeBSD (suspend and resume) compared to Linux. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Regards, Jason Leschnik. [m] 0432 35 4224 [w@] jason dot leschnik ansto dot gov dot au [U@]=A0jml974@uow.edu.au From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 11:14:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8E4106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4353C8FC12 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so747716wgb.31 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:14:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=gv2lGwwwTaPzCTH3doHwJQkftFK7PnCaoSaHjSzXzEo=; b=ZZyzOs5PVEfgmcVuMCjKMeTnhqaIDm6yMrwna2XRmvuPtpmaqM8VngGggV9Z0nCCC7 vEixklPwVtlFXdHMyhlmsbscTnVn/SYR0sG3wDnVq2uWNcjh5T8QQSmj/F/1OZYbn+e7 Iw6Up5YPWiwsuMI6LmqsNmJg5EcPiE1v5/qQUxLecE+DoQPwehT9A3S0pZurBUSbnnvz kCyVpmHT8ZazZNBeithT8fY/20550b/BXQ8GJZVoNv+l8BZk57EXABURlCXdO7YBClI+ 5JIWkkxRE+ZuQ1BSU3fIrsG7d9n3s81WPUA6kIb66wq4SpELUp5dApb0T656JxO82l88 J/Mg== Received: by 10.216.201.79 with SMTP id a57mr12505927weo.164.1338462876224; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.78.162.253] ([92.90.20.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ez4sm3156876wid.3.2012.05.31.04.14.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 04:14:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> In-Reply-To: <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:14:27 +0200 To: Lars Engels X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnxyrKjAok8PYAy4ezbImxGBl0q/A0WSWyn0lIoEh27yYs+Jub35c5kEF3nxlc+WfhA7Gug Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:14:37 -0000 On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>=20 >> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>>=20 >>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending i= t to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. =20= >>>=20 >>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which a= dvertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like t= o get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had t= o list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? A= re they the same as when you first started using it? =20 >>>=20 >>> David >>=20 >>=20 >> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. >>=20 >>=20 >> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: >> - CARP >> - relayd >> - PF >> - pfsync >>=20 >> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, >> haproxy, db...): >> - "hard" to use >> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to >> debian's for example) >>=20 >> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >=20 > But how often do you need to=20 As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem. We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is much= simpler and faster. There is also the performance aspect. We get better performance on Haproxy and PGsql on Debian than on bsd.= From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 11:20:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C32106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kometen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4635E8FC15 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so1561639obc.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:20:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=P8gkCFEqWa2YngnMy2zshwmSchgzH/0Kui5V50T+zfg=; b=Ko2yr20YZYVwE3N22hWoHO10GUP0JZI6bvzWrYjH+MxUEDLi2DCa6rERwuBkeFg/RU nWCmXcuHy0mMKBbYafExEfbjJGXqbdJrk2lGGDAvSn1yAblUCJknyzopJwuTL1Kcx+3U 0f2XZrV9LFPWgWPuEQwc8IFkLJyni5PdKc+ltZUPs6SDpQeYJZUVqcAt2KA9SxDOUY0X h35VQKmQV8y3ZUW8MEIIluS6TbyZ08SGlrNHTw2IKrSUuUrQbuInTqKA9D1Lz49SG0cu nyCysxQBZ2fVgmp1tlK8RaCFumdgrIw6a7I9S87DyDNP8FHXmdq9GZmROzBuNvZF2JwO YhpQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.11.69 with SMTP id o5mr1705551obb.33.1338463251613; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.167.130 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 04:20:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:20:51 +0200 Message-ID: From: Claus Guttesen To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:20:52 -0000 >>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >> >> But how often do you need to > > As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem. > > We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is much simpler and faster. Take a look at freebsd-update: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html. This tracks release. -- regards Claus When lenity and cruelty play for a kingdom, the gentler gamester is the soonest winner. Shakespeare twitter.com/kometen From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 11:23:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849241065675 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB108FC1D for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q4VBMq4u090607; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:23:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q4VBMqca090606; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:22:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:22:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201205311122.q4VBMqca090606@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Konstantin Belousov , Eugene Grosbein In-Reply-To: <4FC747DA.8040902@rdtc.ru> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.9.6-20101126 ("Burnside") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 31 May 2012 13:23:07 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: i386 binaries on amd64: ldconfig problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Konstantin Belousov , Eugene Grosbein List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:23:09 -0000 Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 31.05.2012 16:58, Konstantin Belousov writes: > > The library search order is LD_{32}_LIBRARY_PATH, then DT_RPATH from > > the binary, then hints, then /lib:/usr/lib. So if rpath of the binary > > contains /usr/local/lib, you get /usr/local/lib before hints. > > > > Rtld uses only the search path from the hints file. When a library with > > the matched name found, rtld tries to load it. Regardless of the result > > of the load attempt, further components of the search path list are not > > tried. > > > > Look at the olvwm binary with readelf and see whether DT_RPATH specifies > > /usr/local/lib. > > I've faced exactly same problem. What can be done other to rebuild > of all such 32bit bit binaries to make them work for transition period? > Should libmap32.conf help? It seems it does not. Does LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH not work for you? Another idea would be to modify rtld-elf to automatically replace "lib" with "lib32" inside rpath strings when executing i386 binaries on an amd64 system. This would be a rather trivial change, just one line in rtld.c. But I haven't actually tried this. LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH works for me. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "The worst thing about Perl jokes is that next morning you can't understand why they seemed so funny." (from #protolol) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 11:32:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2241065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:32:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.zoral.com.ua (mx0.zoral.com.ua [91.193.166.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A3C8FC15 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 11:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q4VBWFRr028477; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:32:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4VBWFcG032977; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:32:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4VBWF3k032976; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:32:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:32:15 +0300 From: Konstantin Belousov To: Eugene Grosbein Message-ID: <20120531113215.GO2358@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <201205301615.q4UGFxSF051308@lurza.secnetix.de> <20120531095847.GN2358@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <4FC747DA.8040902@rdtc.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SdRgamFw6JHQm+h4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC747DA.8040902@rdtc.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: i386 binaries on amd64: ldconfig problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:32:23 -0000 --SdRgamFw6JHQm+h4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 05:28:42PM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > 31.05.2012 16:58, Konstantin Belousov writes: >=20 > >> But actually I shouldn't have to use LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH. > >> I mean, it's ldconfig's job to configure the directories for > >> locating the libraries. > >> > >> What is wrong here? > > The library search order is LD_{32}_LIBRARY_PATH, then DT_RPATH from > > the binary, then hints, then /lib:/usr/lib. So if rpath of the binary > > contains /usr/local/lib, you get /usr/local/lib before hints. > >=20 > > Rtld uses only the search path from the hints file. When a library with > > the matched name found, rtld tries to load it. Regardless of the result > > of the load attempt, further components of the search path list are not > > tried. > >=20 > > Look at the olvwm binary with readelf and see whether DT_RPATH specifies > > /usr/local/lib. >=20 > I've faced exactly same problem. What can be done other to rebuild > of all such 32bit bit binaries to make them work for transition period? > Should libmap32.conf help? It seems it does not. No idea. The presence of rpath in the binary indicates self-inflicted damage. Just do not specify -rpath for linking. If you have such broken binary, use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to override. In fact, the ELF standard requires that DT_RPATH is not overridable by LD_LIBRARY_PATH env variable, but DT_RUNPATH is. Currently our rtld interpretes both DT_RPATH and DT_RUNPATH as overridable, thus violating the standard and diverging from other ELF platforms. Dragonfly fixed this. --SdRgamFw6JHQm+h4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/HVr8ACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4ihFQCfQ3i8BsFmE9/mvCvWVZTeS/zh NuAAnRVbfHpCQjLAI4hSDft8LWWIr0NA =RLKJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SdRgamFw6JHQm+h4-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 12:10:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE71A1065670 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leschnik@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8F48FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so856451yen.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:10:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZBkn798vSpIct5USlMLHuoh95I37gO1qbZm/bw0WfVQ=; b=a8SQ9nKoGm739qwUO9xHKQRZi9dNXRcA67du5U3Ha3cYsoFWEJl4wE1CkxEqObmC7F SB1E65NN7bV0tenE1iDE5LwE7wTgpb5RZjqAp8TcWZKy4n0p8PBQ+f3EFFTwImZNLT/V tp21dsmoSGy4KAmGUb0R0T4FzHuanJbSKkIhbzu/tDU0qgFI1zQh3RzUM+q5STM2+27k StumeeinbroWUgjN1tEBE33PJgUPjr8HDQU8JAx87qw2V3MjoX0r2yDV2Im1U5aRWGQg 6PryTIZOdixB4+ahZlirdhMQ4JJv9bwkJmBoRFpU2HLk5jxrO2SgrgUAeTlm9R6vOCzn EcWw== Received: by 10.236.190.168 with SMTP id e28mr2003417yhn.57.1338466202126; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:10:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.17 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 05:09:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> From: Jason Leschnik Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:09:40 +1000 Message-ID: To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , Lars Engels Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:10:04 -0000 A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick... I even wrote this little script to check for pkg_updating info: http://leschnik.me/blog/?p=3D79 Thanks. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels wrote: > >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> >>> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sendin= g it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. >>>> >>>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (whic= h advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd l= ike to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. =A0If y= ou had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would yo= u pick? =A0Are they the same as when you first started using it? >>>> >>>> David >>> >>> >>> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. >>> >>> >>> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: >>> - CARP >>> - relayd >>> - PF >>> - pfsync >>> >>> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, >>> haproxy, db...): >>> - "hard" to use >>> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to >>> debian's for example) >>> >>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >> >> But how often do you need to > > As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem. > > We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is m= uch simpler and faster. > > There is also the performance aspect. > We get better performance on Haproxy and PGsql on Debian than on bsd.____= ___________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Regards, Jason Leschnik. [m] 0432 35 4224 [w@] jason dot leschnik ansto dot gov dot au [U@]=A0jml974@uow.edu.au From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 12:23:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4843F1065670 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:23:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from egrosbein@rdtc.ru) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (eg.sd.rdtc.ru [IPv6:2a03:3100:c:13::5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10718FC0A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4VCNr6p024872; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:23:53 +0700 (NOVT) (envelope-from egrosbein@rdtc.ru) Message-ID: <4FC762D9.905@rdtc.ru> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:23:53 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; ru-RU; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20110112 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Konstantin Belousov , Eugene Grosbein References: <201205311122.q4VBMqca090606@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <201205311122.q4VBMqca090606@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: i386 binaries on amd64: ldconfig problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:23:57 -0000 31.05.2012 18:22, Oliver Fromme ÐÉÛÅÔ: > Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > 31.05.2012 16:58, Konstantin Belousov writes: > > > The library search order is LD_{32}_LIBRARY_PATH, then DT_RPATH from > > > the binary, then hints, then /lib:/usr/lib. So if rpath of the binary > > > contains /usr/local/lib, you get /usr/local/lib before hints. > > > > > > Rtld uses only the search path from the hints file. When a library with > > > the matched name found, rtld tries to load it. Regardless of the result > > > of the load attempt, further components of the search path list are not > > > tried. > > > > > > Look at the olvwm binary with readelf and see whether DT_RPATH specifies > > > /usr/local/lib. > > > > I've faced exactly same problem. What can be done other to rebuild > > of all such 32bit bit binaries to make them work for transition period? > > Should libmap32.conf help? It seems it does not. > > Does LD_32_LIBRARY_PATH not work for you? I did not know about it. Now I've rebuilt all ports as 64 bit already. But I will try it for next migration :-) Euge Grosbein From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 13:02:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DBB1065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:02:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@gmx.com) Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D87D68FC16 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 May 2012 13:02:17 -0000 Received: from g230070075.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO [192.168.178.28]) [92.230.70.75] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us004) with SMTP; 31 May 2012 09:02:17 -0400 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18rZ7NZTMQrq+3txDacW4PitfZL2ZUEC89pwAbK2+ /2t62IZCPRuwYm Message-ID: <4FC76BCB.9090306@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:02:03 +0200 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Leschnik References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , Lars Engels Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:02:19 -0000 On 5/31/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Leschnik wrote: > A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick... ah, ok! > I even wrote this little script to check for pkg_updating info: > http://leschnik.me/blog/?p=79 > Note that if you have many out of date ports this script can take a while to finish it’s run… Please be patient!!! Huh?? These comments are a bit contradictory, don't you think? Couldn't resist, sorry:p Nikos From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 13:27:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE5D106575E for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leschnik@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6545F8FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so840605ghb.17 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:27:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S24eoNf0ZLBxBd1sstiD+AzAL5JO+DMK6GxQw++s1OM=; b=rr1xHRSuQe0qGt7BD9fbwndlaX2+knx0Zq+LzMOwaHsbKB6czBcfP0WL4VRbjC98QJ GmbE2nLzUwLi8PaAtksCTq25GRN64yzOTAROPR4h0BhVkV+/zHjyLgabWX9ZWlUWSHGa sEk3lI2pKROqhnEjB1gi5yrCP4/xMlu+rnr6cltbCy2whFV1CVD4KHQrAsAHpCiBBO8M nPzJ/JM+M5UPTByayRPVdK8ZQlmWH2Xv+4iH4q/IkdJeJSH3xipu6HN91DnQY6xI58wm uelgPcIKsHucg+PECv22ZKjtQ1C2jl9uOLOV0whZKL483EYPVhDKMyy2VRyNmIke6XM8 psEA== Received: by 10.236.46.132 with SMTP id r4mr2270772yhb.29.1338470874845; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:27:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.17 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:27:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC76BCB.9090306@gmx.com> References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> <4FC76BCB.9090306@gmx.com> From: Jason Leschnik Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:27:33 +1000 Message-ID: To: Nikos Vassiliadis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , Lars Engels Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:27:55 -0000 "a while" isn't an S.I. unit, so it actually might be "pretty quick" :P On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > On 5/31/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Leschnik wrote: >> >> A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick... > > > ah, ok! > > >> I even wrote this little script to check for pkg_updating info: >> http://leschnik.me/blog/?p=3D79 > > >> Note that if you have many out of date ports this script can take a whil= e >> to finish it=92s run=85 Please be patient!!! > > > Huh?? > > These comments are a bit contradictory, don't you think? > > Couldn't resist, sorry:p > > Nikos --=20 Regards, Jason Leschnik. [m] 0432 35 4224 [w@] jason dot leschnik ansto dot gov dot au [U@]=A0jml974@uow.edu.au From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 13:33:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F85E106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:33:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6A38FC19 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so392663eek.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:33:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=i5dJFg0Ei8vrOzj7GkNxQcKDwXJFVO/G5QoLce030dM=; b=XFMTUKiaqnvcenBEAjT4nZlHOFSw4KfZwcf6pVLrjyYrQM3gcVwq29H5isP6UTC+Q0 gBmgWevxrWYf1RinI/N4VFZqzIV6LsE9qUFGlnDLuEi1rWIEamzeeyeFliEbnjWmz3I5 1iYtqJNAXEnsgcpe6f7zcjSqPcYhF+Xp5xV0zAIFWTrgABjDlggCE0qENpbFTK7kbzsq zwTL0s4m2/ctKiD5xk4Sh5JGfWD5HmC4XiSjm7RuwLyTWTvHVhC69OKZKVYlWMWrbE6q MAP5NuZ/kkZLJS6YccpUp6jhrkYZdX4LcESEMtgHBMhOb9/8xqhwDwtrwI5KbwyO5cD+ qQJw== Received: by 10.14.53.6 with SMTP id f6mr8057894eec.214.1338471199502; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e45sm5012343eeb.6.2012.05.31.06.33.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 06:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC7731C.2030204@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:33:16 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Holger Kipp References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd>, <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <5A58FAE7-F176-4E69-9460-6DDB12064BAE@alogis.com> In-Reply-To: <5A58FAE7-F176-4E69-9460-6DDB12064BAE@alogis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkYcDaHTT1UEqeWQuVxzW81pzeVyDRLwrtD/dKWIL1fD1ea4UJLepXiu24cSoBi4wHVl6Rs Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , Lars Engels Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:33:21 -0000 On 5/31/12 12:32 PM, Holger Kipp wrote: > Hi, > > Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb "Lars Engels" : > >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> >>> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. >>>> >>>> I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? >>>> >>>> David >>> >>> >>> We're using FreeBSD here only for firewall boxes. >>> >>> >>> Reasons for using FBSD for firewalls: >>> - CARP >>> - relayd >>> - PF >>> - pfsync >>> >>> Reasons I can't get management to use FBSD for regular servers (web, >>> haproxy, db...): >>> - "hard" to use >>> - update process is "hard", time-consuming and annoying (as opposed to >>> debian's for example) >>> >>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >> >> But how often do you need to update? > > That reminds me - there is still a 2.2.8 system up and running that needs to be replaced ;-) > > For a server farm, one can use a central server who provides all packages that need to be upgraded, so it is usually only one system that needs a longer time. All others just mount the directories and install/upgrade using compiled world and /usr/ports/packages/All :-) > > Nice and easy. > > Best regards, > Holger > > Your idea has merit and we've already considered it. However, these boxes are on different VLANs for security and confinement reasons and I loathe putting them on a shared VLAN just for this purpose. Besides, if the main server were to crash, we'd run into problems. We don't wish to introduce a SPOF. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 13:33:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781A21065673; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:33:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vmagerya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD488FC18; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:33:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so1083006lbo.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:33:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uo/oFXxK7uTisxzHQqXG5JBe+MTGBrXVpzYiqFGBLoY=; b=dNQ+1h7cqqEjssgYbp6xj+dP98e5Qh2WHqsFaHZrovTZmhmaPJVIPFHQU/x6OKib3m H3FJafyuqcut7mhnlpdj4jiWqK3OwEX1CRMIcw5rRy60fWGlV+496ODxcEKgO0H/KieK W/nqTDEzZjlE7mO0yabOpWG2VvdH37NbvvDn22ine/KlDm+vSaha76YRAO9FW0/PB8Xq 9hsIc/3UKV36B+hOKsVOEbgbQuUvDfLJUu5TiYOrdwmYqndlq0VtUcCRZly7fCkp3L2V 7CZXwPGqVVj8GBjwvQBfkZ7qG4/mqfGW+l19Ct3BtqxqFxa2/nQ/afslStEroJaB82mL etvg== Received: by 10.152.48.37 with SMTP id i5mr19892703lan.36.1338471199490; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.29.1.142] (altimet-gw.cs2.dp.wnet.ua. [217.20.178.249]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s3sm2109877lbk.11.2012.05.31.06.33.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 06:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC772E7.3040301@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:32:23 +0300 From: Vitaly Magerya User-Agent: Thunderbird MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Chisnall References: <642DB73D-7DCA-4E6C-838B-7D9B23B3E310@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <642DB73D-7DCA-4E6C-838B-7D9B23B3E310@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:33:21 -0000 David Chisnall wrote: > http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhyUseFreeBSD > > Feedback welcome! Quote: > The RCng system that reads this file [rc.conf] understands > dependencies between services and so can automatically launch > them in parallel [...] Can it? There have been patches in the lists, was one of them committed? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 13:35:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CCF1065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:35:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918EB8FC0A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so395143eek.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:35:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=T5z39CzohlxWtGFvvXwv3PW9kkXxS8gplLsLVQIZPK0=; b=SrmluIa4oh/byGJZIQBmoMkp7kh73j6qHMK/RotKgEoYsb5CDyivgfiXjNLKT6/dgJ HVJcKGfMMIdmmF+u1BckJAQffLoqOsfVJuPH1fvOS6Yv+XaavTk2DcfOlNciGMZLMHf8 RQmDf/6pHecWx2+O4axqO7cuweOwtmQDUPotG8YSeuK1lnp660bX7CHBnp7yQBdwVUiE 3rIuVkXaPMBmJ/3dT0Y+zB5KW4W2CLCH0QrH3oeaLsdJOcwDhMbU1yzlhgDjHQdfHuMr 30Q7ZIxwqjaigaa9G1WO+otVWPwxqXoqs1h1Hvs+62Lj83gf+ilS3PiJHNN0TkthQj/p XLNg== Received: by 10.14.53.65 with SMTP id f41mr8545988eec.179.1338471344692; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v46sm10596332eef.11.2012.05.31.06.35.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC773AE.1030906@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:35:42 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Claus Guttesen References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmUWSY3lEIUFQN/bHu1Oaptec/G0thG7djv4bOj12HMK5HmfLvfEONYKzWbrYlwFxddJRKP Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:35:46 -0000 On 5/31/12 1:20 PM, Claus Guttesen wrote: >>>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >>>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >>>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >>> >>> But how often do you need to >> >> As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem. >> >> We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is much simpler and faster. > > Take a look at freebsd-update: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html. > This tracks release. > As I just replied to an off-list mail, we can't use binary upgrades because: 1/ we use custom kernels with a lot of the stuff stripped 2/ we pass custom options to ports, which excludes pre-compiled packages 3/ we don't track release, I'm trying to move our boxes away from it so we can get faster patches, we track 8-STABLE on most boxes From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 13:42:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0FF1065675 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6561A8FC17 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so402210eek.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=bn9Cr5TKQkrNL4hda/lA8iFFBPHxJKZgORXuE80kKho=; b=VEIiWGc6mT7vE/Kj6b/CdA+1CryBrBS8fZX9PIR7Nx8kTvVUWXZ063/jSdTJV3c0UT HOEBmy/fXLpkXJnop5gExechqrfsIlyKdxdWcA3RwiJA9Dc4ZOVOJmIobzMn28e2ZnWq picpPo5qt5MiRIrcmnED+691Aex47dGMXDK0KSCgo4c5zddsrPbul9TLlLsZfqL5rrUs 8jYwm1G2cXuWpjzmKHA1ZFOjSsBUAnz7gnT29ytshxG1gAOr3rg27qQgTnZP8wy7wIWs n8h94OzWo5VY/7ztv+gWYUyLSI98NM50w5rAzCMuWxjxEV8+5OQzNW9bGDOoUEqDfo1K VyHA== Received: by 10.14.127.78 with SMTP id c54mr8056947eei.8.1338471768114; Thu, 31 May 2012 06:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y54sm10669791eef.10.2012.05.31.06.42.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 06:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC77555.1010202@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:42:45 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkBx+x8zWagpQWg6V61FRy2nhKed6N2VO5uIDDlF6OEsMRNgVv89VrTZNsMRqaAXlfuT9/E Subject: IPv6 and CARP crashes boxes X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:42:49 -0000 Hey list, The thread about "Why Are You Using FreeBSD", listing the pros and cons of FBSD, has brought back a topic to mind. Recently (read, < 3 months ago) I was experimenting with IPv6 and CARP on 8.x boxes and that crashed them both. I posted a thread on -net and, sadly, never got a single reply. Has anyone else run into problems when using IPv6 + CARP ? I plan to hold a presentation at work on IP6 and why we should start using it, however I cannot promote the use of IP6 without redundancy between firewalls like we currently do with CARP + pfsync. I can, of course, post additional information as required. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 14:01:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A0B106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777D48FC0A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfy7 with SMTP id fy7so748412vcb.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=ay1FM+SP8N3P6bREiscXT6DAl9/5/pQYWMlG3LBWKO0=; b=VZKbdZn4FvOTenzubJ8XROHLcpK9SQt8uH+C71Qa9vjrbgYiinncO87Rr7dZc2cMc9 8kVrlfM60T5Qn4cctVt1y6GBvelbGT+kOdjIrXCYfmmP1fKC63tFkDYB4wTLKIQ492Gd A0Hak5xL5K4nltFznUn77+VCMND+9dKUVkmRkHkJMSPmn3uROMTQEXmOFfbxlQJho0Q7 RMgRQDSim6t7Q2xgaRp9F7f5M7I4FmisKYoAaExZGoP8QuGLSlIVj3Kj9AQV+uYIUzx6 pJpFbuTmMok3i+ARnnfT1lFiarrEB0EPAi0D+7dastWxNC3POZ45QXH6924iiysapppg ZazQ== Received: by 10.220.219.80 with SMTP id ht16mr2267848vcb.36.1338472898624; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jims-iMac.local (pool-72-84-124-250.nrflva.fios.verizon.net. [72.84.124.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d20sm4951390vde.20.2012.05.31.07.01.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 07:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:01:36 -0400 From: Jim Ohlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Chisnall References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk8nMcEJHuLAcloVj/F1vsN9gc0TJ9KmoNZY9IaKfrSwrGIAa1AxjXMs8g4Kz7wJb2x1Y/Y Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:01:39 -0000 On 5/30/12 2:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > > These have been said before but I'll reiterate. 1. Stability. It's a well thought out, designed from the ground up, operating system. It is not a collection of "chosen for you" packages attached to a kernel. 2. Ease of configuration 3. Ports Having used various Linux distos for quite awhile, the above are all so much of an improvement, and are still why I use FreeBSD. To add others, in no particular order: Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled system. Many Linux distros have no upgrade path short of a wipe and re-install. Community support by dedicated professionals. BSD License vs GPL. I agree with the sentiment about small minds and viral licensing. I use FreeBSD for webserver (nginx), database (MySQL), mail (exim and dovecot), nameserver (BIND), firewall, and more. As a small time, part time sysadmin I couldn't imagine going back to any other OS. I don't make my living from server management, rather my servers support my interests and small business (if anyone has ever seen the Staples commercial in the US with "Bob", the sole proprietor and employee who wears all of the hats including tech support, that's me). -- Jim Ohlstein From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 14:12:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6FF106567F for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from serg_ic@mail.ru) Received: from fallback8.mail.ru (fallback8.mail.ru [94.100.176.136]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D577C8FC0C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from f13.mail.ru (f13.mail.ru [217.69.129.70]) by fallback8.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id 231A647E21ED for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:57:04 +0400 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ru; s=mail; h=Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Reply-To:Date:Mime-Version:Subject:To:From; bh=5UFLirPio7aDK9Yn5zjbndvs+4MDwTZaQ0wHARqebVk=; b=FeUCs8neFM57rUghG3MsG+7Ex3bJ3LfB+KY724uPz+8T2In9ykPAdwl91QiVN/H0Urb8CTH9XavObX3bu+/3RLZl5piH4uTDAA6BfuvoD/O+gNau79D5Rzfc0ga2JdVR; Received: from mail by f13.mail.ru with local (envelope-from ) id 1Sa5s0-0005GE-EC for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:56:56 +0400 Received: from [85.21.15.50] by e.mail.ru with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:56:56 +0400 From: =?UTF-8?B?U2VyZyBS?= To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [85.21.15.50] Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:56:56 +0400 X-Priority: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Message-Id: X-Spam: Not detected X-Mras: Ok Subject: The problem with starting/stopping of jail in the last 9-STABLE. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:22:42 -0000 On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > To add others, in no particular order: > > Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier > on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled > system. Many Linux distros have no upgrade path short of a wipe and > re-install. > Far superior, check, FAR MORE TIME CONSUMING, check as well ! Also, I don't get your "linux distros have no upgrade path short of a full reinstall" bit ? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 14:23:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F12106567B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ra@iop.kiev.ua) Received: from rmaile.iop.kiev.ua (rmaile.iop.kiev.ua [194.44.164.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CEE8FC23 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.10.4] (k1-phoebus.iop.kiev.ua [10.10.10.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by rmaile.iop.kiev.ua (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4VBCwYr051490 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:13:04 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ra@iop.kiev.ua) Message-ID: <4FC76E29.5010006@iop.kiev.ua> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:12:09 +0300 From: "Andrey S. Rybak" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120510 Icedove/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at rmaile.iop.kiev.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.3 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on rmaile.iop.kiev.ua Subject: problem with nmap X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:23:26 -0000 Hi! I can not run nmap on my computer with next output: "Error compiling our pcap filter: icmp6 not supported " I had not such nmap's problem on any my computer with FreeBSD. How I can solve this problem? #uname -a FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #5: Wed Feb 8 14:35:37 EET 2012 root:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 #nmap -V Nmap version 6.00 ( http://nmap.org ) Platform: i386-portbld-freebsd9.0 Compiled with: liblua-5.1.5 openssl-0.9.8q libpcre-8.30 libpcap-1.1.1 nmap-libdnet-1.12 ipv6 Compiled without: Thank in advance From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 14:30:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E1A106566C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:30:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com) Received: from fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com [69.55.229.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2971A8FC1C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.15.220] (unknown [118.175.84.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DBC6FB9F22; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FC78087.2000004@ateamsystems.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:30:31 +0700 From: Adam Strohl Organization: A-Team Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:30:30 -0000 On 5/31/2012 21:22, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >> To add others, in no particular order: >> >> Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier >> on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled >> system. Many Linux distros have no upgrade path short of a wipe and >> re-install. >> > Far superior, check, FAR MORE TIME CONSUMING, check as well ! This brings up another point: Repair is always possible with FreeBSD. You can back out all packages or types of packages easily (and re-compile or reinstall them if needed). You can recompile/reinstall the OS if needed (somewhere else too and copy it over). Or just copy pieces from a live cd or restore tarball. And it's pretty straightforward to do even for a non-admin person. You can even restore over a live running system with tar, which I do occasionally when cloning machines or restoring them with dump/restore. Very slick. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 14:35:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABC6106564A; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:35:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C6A8FC15; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4VEZR0r059341; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:35:27 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4VEZRJU059330; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:35:27 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:35:27 GMT Message-Id: <201205311435.q4VEZRJU059330@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:35:28 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-31 11:27:24 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-05-31 11:27:24 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-05-31 11:27:24 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc/powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 11:27:25 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-05-31 11:27:56 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-05-31 11:27:56 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - building world TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 11:28:50 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Thu May 31 11:28:52 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Thu May 31 14:07:42 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:42 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:42 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:42 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 14:07:43 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Thu May 31 14:07:43 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Thu May 31 14:29:06 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - building GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 14:29:06 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Thu May 31 14:29:06 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/mp_cpudep.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch32.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-05-31 14:35:27 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-31 14:35:27 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 14:35:27 - 7851.48 user 1047.91 system 11282.07 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 14:47:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0375B1065678 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8534F8FC0A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so470748eek.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:47:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=/AbQvAVDipevDHA01xLlzr8nYZCVwyiuzZyjdK1M6iA=; b=TK2m4hlzDzCwD7xFeFzJaQN5DpAnpO+8Qewtk+OCAv+7o1Sd2dmMAx45TsaIHwAxKu /T65umZsBrRCYqovgRChPyTytO6LWkW12R0QB7O6PfY4Jluf+2GJPu7ZfGVFyRi7HnZp MGRpR1rvmsDfzdy9ZObHzhaL1Xb5e2dWqBMCgOFXqLE/jGBYNxGTD1NIcnxbNePMtcVz uolm+i7ngaP1xBb7Z+C6RWZRtI6FpJQ+2GjJv84+wubqfVheZoPks4J55h4bkZRdT5mj vtYi6i0dsp9uELQP1TmwHhJym/l2WygIYzgdYOeTRzumDnpiFoKBY9wCqCu16Gx2SSBT 696A== Received: by 10.14.186.14 with SMTP id v14mr2019547eem.49.1338475634399; Thu, 31 May 2012 07:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s47sm11314804eef.4.2012.05.31.07.47.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC7846F.7040307@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:47:11 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Strohl References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78087.2000004@ateamsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC78087.2000004@ateamsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkEFNZR1xYDzOvR/Jk4Y7t7fIEqXPpu5A+j8NHUzyBSMsXW3KyWo3hDGsHwz4Bdq0aWRw3Y Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:47:16 -0000 On 5/31/12 4:30 PM, Adam Strohl wrote: > On 5/31/2012 21:22, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >>> To add others, in no particular order: >>> >>> Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier >>> on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled >>> system. Many Linux distros have no upgrade path short of a wipe and >>> re-install. >>> >> Far superior, check, FAR MORE TIME CONSUMING, check as well ! > > This brings up another point: Repair is always possible with FreeBSD. > > You can back out all packages or types of packages easily (and > re-compile or reinstall them if needed). You can recompile/reinstall > the OS if needed (somewhere else too and copy it over). Or just copy > pieces from a live cd or restore tarball. And it's pretty > straightforward to do even for a non-admin person. > > You can even restore over a live running system with tar, which I do > occasionally when cloning machines or restoring them with dump/restore. > Very slick. Regarding recovering from blunders, and dump/restore for restoration or even cloning purposes, I also use them and I can advocate the efficiency and usefulness. Regarding packages, I've never really explored it, would you detail a bit ? 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[24.247.238.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id yg9sm1622688igb.15.2012.05.31.07.50.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 07:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4VEofJ1007626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 May 2012 10:50:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4VEofIM007625; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:50:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:50:41 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: "Andrey S. Rybak" Message-ID: <20120531145041.GB1976@DataIX.net> References: <4FC76E29.5010006@iop.kiev.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC76E29.5010006@iop.kiev.ua> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlwhJXbyd8zJjXQE8kMNR0xOygPA03d14kdna5T7GBAOswZkolvPrG5wp0KnYGbRGZL+hyn Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: problem with nmap X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:50:46 -0000 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 04:12:09PM +0300, Andrey S. Rybak wrote: > Hi! > I can not run nmap on my computer with next output: > "Error compiling our pcap filter: icmp6 not supported " > I had not such nmap's problem on any my computer with FreeBSD. > How I can solve this problem? > #uname -a > FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #5: Wed Feb 8 14:35:37 EET > 2012 root:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > #nmap -V > Nmap version 6.00 ( http://nmap.org ) > Platform: i386-portbld-freebsd9.0 > Compiled with: liblua-5.1.5 openssl-0.9.8q libpcre-8.30 libpcap-1.1.1 > nmap-libdnet-1.12 ipv6 > Compiled without: > Thank in advance > I have the following which is different from your output but on 8.3-STABLE Nmap version 6.00 ( http://nmap.org ) Platform: i386-portbld-freebsd8.3 Compiled with: liblua-5.1.5 openssl-0.9.8q libpcre-8.30 libpcap-1.2.1 nmap-libdnet-1.12 ipv6 You might consider installing libpcap from ports just to give it a shot. Also running nmap with -dd may yield more to what is going on. -- - (2^(N-1)) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 14:52:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2003B106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:52:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from noop.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F4D8FC1C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gjp by noop.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Sa6jS-0007RD-Iw; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:52:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:52:10 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: Damien Fleuriot Message-ID: <20120531145210.GD92444@in-addr.com> References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gpalmer@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on noop.in-addr.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:52:50 -0000 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > > To add others, in no particular order: > > > > Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier > > on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled > > system. Many Linux distros have no upgrade path short of a wipe and > > re-install. > > > > Far superior, check, FAR MORE TIME CONSUMING, check as well ! > > > Also, I don't get your "linux distros have no upgrade path short of a > full reinstall" bit ? I don't know about "many", but RHEL specifically states that upgrading from RHEL4.x to 5.x, or 5.x to 6.x, is not supported and that you should wipe and reinstall the system. Gary From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 14:53:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85880106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:53:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com) Received: from fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com [69.55.229.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6178FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.15.220] (unknown [118.175.84.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCB0BB9F22; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FC78607.90007@ateamsystems.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:53:59 +0700 From: Adam Strohl Organization: A-Team Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78087.2000004@ateamsystems.com> <4FC7846F.7040307@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4FC7846F.7040307@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:53:58 -0000 On 5/31/2012 21:47, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Regarding packages, I've never really explored it, would you detail a bit ? Well, I really mean the resulting pkg info from a port. A good example is PHP, sometimes you have to say "everyone out of the pool" because of an upgrade: cd /var/db/pkg && PKGS=`ls | egrep "^(php|pear|pecl)"`; for PKG in $PKGS; do echo "---- $PKG"; pkg_delete "$PKG"; done; Running that a few times until it stops picking things up, then its a few commands to re-install PHP and its extensions (because of the extensions roll-up port). You can of course script it further, which is part of why I like FreeBSD so much. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 15:13:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDEF1065670 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jim@ohlste.in) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBAC8FC29 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfy7 with SMTP id fy7so821079vcb.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=LDaIJtDJhGmgComEyFtWMsmj9zHRc5K3WQ926gxP+LM=; b=kCO7ubbF9KXjpNUFX4A3ycwvqpv5F0/XzTKaoY+OYeJbrGx8KJskXtaii6Lf194zGZ AcdB+AEo09zV/u5dGG/+LwV2pwTPm42OpELWRDGtZ44pJdw3jFXa4Z78tozgrIPMjRgU EXMuevPACzDwzg6dvKQfNtOqJ3UuR6cuFR/a1bjp/9KY8xL14UOWykucCno4tZIPwjV1 umvhdOcNjE+h2iWcxfZnn1ZUlFBqEa6t6N+iWooCLljBcKWd6FA+gEvAdfPQBI7XrtUn 6Xyc8otAvFdEGAfXwLRi1a8PgWFOuId++hvFaxUliSmwT6B3zq/Bjl6bA3v1sxWHzftF 133g== Received: by 10.220.242.78 with SMTP id lh14mr1684119vcb.64.1338477206171; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jims-iMac.local (pool-72-84-124-250.nrflva.fios.verizon.net. [72.84.124.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z17sm5264755vdg.13.2012.05.31.08.13.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 08:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:13:24 -0400 From: Jim Ohlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn9FgJfMrrEAqYfaZIY/Inhb7GNIsQ4crApj368JODDDTLJIp6tXZUzUSK9K/a8v8tmVh2o Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:13:27 -0000 On 5/31/12 10:22 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >> To add others, in no particular order: >> >> Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier >> on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled >> system. Many Linux distros have no upgrade path short of a wipe and >> re-install. >> > > Far superior, check, FAR MORE TIME CONSUMING, check as well ! No need to yell. Good things take time. That's life. The thing that takes the most time is building world. My boxes stay online during that time, and I am usually doing other things, so who cares if it takes an hour or so? I only take the system offline after I've installed the new kernel. I boot into single user mode, install world and reboot. Cleaning up configuration files takes a few minutes, then I'm good to go. While I do rebuild all ports, I have only had *one* occasion where a binary built on an older system croaked on a new kernel. I have about 500 ports installed so maybe that's not that many. I upgrade my systems once or twice a year. It's not really a lot of time for me. Linux distros all certainly require a reboot for a new kernel and some likely require editing of config files. So where is the "far more time consuming"? In the compiling? Sorry, but I'm not one to sit and watch the lines go by on the terminal. I have better things to do and I do them. If the compilation hits a snag I'd find out why, fix it, and run it again. > > > Also, I don't get your "linux distros have no upgrade path short of a > full reinstall" bit ? Here's one. From http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/MigrationGuide : "The actions described in this article can damage existing filesystems and operating systems if not done carefully, or even if followed exactly. Please experiment first on a test box, and only proceed after creating current and tested backups if you value your data. Never blindly copy/paste commands, particularly as root, without a thorough understanding of their effects. An attempt to upgrade CentOS-5 to CentOS-6 with *upgradeany* resulted in a non-functional system." [snip] A fresh install is generally *strongly* preferred over an upgrade. [snip] "Remember - A fresh install is generally *strongly* preferred over an upgrade." [yes, they said it twice] [snip] "Upgrades from systems other than the latest CentOS (WhiteBox, RHEL, TaoLinux, ...) may be possible but will also require more work cleaning up afterwards. Consider migrating to the corresponding CentOS release before upgrading." Sounds like an onerous and potentially dangerous process, and not recommended. You can do it if you want. I wouldn't. That's what I mean. The recommended way to upgrade RHEL based systems is with a fresh install. Maybe "no upgrade path" should have been "only a dangerous and not advised upgrade path". Does that make you feel better? I didn't research other distros, but I'd guess there are at least a few with similar advisories. I'm not going to argue this as it can become an almost religious matter for some and a lightning rod for trolls. I'll leave it at that. Peace... out. -- Jim Ohlstein From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 15:15:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3EE106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:15:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520648FC23 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:15:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=68KbTqzLIlN5KgevgfNv4Q6L+Mfev6J8KOZRYSFQxBs=; b=D2xpTeNuBxx1iqVaNPBpYk9LpUeR3jCqUuZ0wN7wI51GiF5v+Y4nAQm87WsNyKdPN+BHdDg/CWh1v0bKYI+6MJy5S2mrlhx8d3y/qFlVOpcddhr7sq7IZyvk4++if3Yj; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Sa766-000OnE-27 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:15:39 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpa id 1338477330-26372-26371/5/13; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:15:30 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78087.2000004@ateamsystems.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:15:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4FC78087.2000004@ateamsystems.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.64 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Score: -1.5 Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:15:39 -0000 On Thu, 31 May 2012 09:30:31 -0500, Adam Strohl wrote: > This brings up another point: Repair is always possible with FreeBSD. > Quick tip for you guys -- create your own mtree file for /usr/local, /usr/home, and /var via cron nightly. With that data and the ones provided for the base system you can fix a machine that someone accidentally "chown -R /" within minutes. The fact that Linux has nothing equivalent is frightening. Mtree has saved me a lot of time when customers have broken their servers. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 15:20:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E6D106567B; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:20:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34CE8FC14; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:20:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q4VFK47R099494; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:20:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q4VFK4Ng099493; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:20:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:20:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201205311520.q4VFK4Ng099493@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, theraven@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.9.6-20101126 ("Burnside") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 31 May 2012 17:20:19 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:20:24 -0000 David Chisnall wrote: > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material > (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before > I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using > FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about > FreeBSD, which would you pick? I agree with what many others already wrote: Ports, ZFS, stability, consistency, ... But there's one thing that hasn't been mentioned so far, I think: jails. The jails feature was the most important reason why one of our largest customers chose FreeBSD for its server farm instead of Linux. I also use this feature quite a lot on my own boxes to easily confine services and applications into sandboxes, without having to use a full- blown virtualization system with all of its disadvantages. I also like the fact that there's a manual page for pretty much *everything*. If you come across an unknown system binary, configuration file, library function, system call or whatever, typing "man " is almost guaranteed to enlighten you. Another thing worth mentioning is the FreeBSD policy that any change should try hard not to violate "POLA", i.e. the "principle of least astonishment". This improves users experience a lot. And finally, I like the way FreeBSD enables you to perform source-level upgrades. The last time I used installation media (CD, DVD, USB stick, whatever) for FreeBSD was in the previous century. > Are they the same as when you first started using it? That's a different story ... Basically, I started using FreeBSD because it was BSD. It was almost 20 years ago when I was using SunOS 4.x (BSD-based) at the university. Then those dumb bastards at Sun (sorry, that's what I was thinking at that time) decided to switch to a SysV-based system with SunOS 5.x. It was horrible. I wanted my BSD back. At that time I had a little Slackware Linux partition on my PC at home, but it was an ugly mixture of BSD and SysV stuff. Then a fellow student mentioned FreeBSD to me, so I gave it a try (I think it was 2.0.5). Within minutes I was sold. Long live BSD! Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. 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cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 11:59:30 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Thu May 31 11:59:31 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> stage 5.1: building 32 bit shim libraries >>> World build completed on Thu May 31 14:57:12 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 14:57:12 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Thu May 31 14:57:12 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Thu May 31 15:16:36 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-31 15:16:36 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 15:16:36 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-05-31 15:16:36 - skipping GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 15:16:36 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 15:16:36 - 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TB --- 2012-05-31 15:21:30 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-31 15:21:30 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 15:21:30 - 8896.73 user 1240.38 system 12243.36 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 15:41:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC391065673 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD608FC08 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so524572eek.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=7QQlDCTxKp2PSGlp+xCgQ8wjMKoThuR/FTHCF7qS20Y=; b=Javl3kkbxZkHBG/N1JZup/HwW7OxThgoz15MbJTlZRI+nsj4Kmn1pJEGewt5nf3yQv 0e13Yw6K7HNUyelWLhqR6cMfdZRAhZ1ZzYssdI2fBVxKF6rN2G9nEVWCseDjYBbgjC/h /AIvI2LKMqnc4Tyuy5O98DKYXfYLe3aWcjDcZ4U4ESxixPvM44F7Ogl4MlgHB4CYNIUB 6/OQ/uWfejHoY42w45amOWmLwP571IWyOb6Btrs3XzntPm7FhdQVUQmqmDgPpV69xT+i YiB/fJTM0oXxnU22Jq/MUndAEjji51GepFNX7/kskFKu1SBEHhXqD2w3SDIjLwPjfUeM b8Ng== Received: by 10.14.119.134 with SMTP id n6mr9070180eeh.0.1338478904862; Thu, 31 May 2012 08:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q53sm11776589eef.8.2012.05.31.08.41.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 08:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:41:42 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Ohlstein References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> In-Reply-To: <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnnhsSizeoAI8eBkmihlq6ZjRkSEWqs6uDX/Olb9ZmV3mIg7P13vJPcbJu1uWhP6f1gdmPE Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:41:46 -0000 On 5/31/12 5:13 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > On 5/31/12 10:22 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >>> To add others, in no particular order: >>> >>> Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier >>> on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled >>> system. Many Linux distros have no upgrade path short of a wipe and >>> re-install. >>> >> >> Far superior, check, FAR MORE TIME CONSUMING, check as well ! > > No need to yell. Good things take time. That's life. The thing that > takes the most time is building world. My boxes stay online during that > time, and I am usually doing other things, so who cares if it takes an > hour or so? I only take the system offline after I've installed the new > kernel. I boot into single user mode, install world and reboot. Cleaning > up configuration files takes a few minutes, then I'm good to go. > > While I do rebuild all ports, I have only had *one* occasion where a > binary built on an older system croaked on a new kernel. I have about > 500 ports installed so maybe that's not that many. > > I upgrade my systems once or twice a year. It's not really a lot of time > for me. > We upgrade them when vulnerabilities and bug fixes show up, which is certainly more than 2/year. > Linux distros all certainly require a reboot for a new kernel and some > likely require editing of config files. So where is the "far more time > consuming"? In the compiling? Sorry, but I'm not one to sit and watch > the lines go by on the terminal. I have better things to do and I do > them. If the compilation hits a snag I'd find out why, fix it, and run > it again. > You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, they're still time consuming and disruptive. 1/ reboot after installing new kernel 2/ reboot after installing new world 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports Either you don't have that many fbsd boxes to manage, or you're doing it much better than we are. Let me lay it out for you: We use these boxes as firewalls for our company's projects. Between dev, pre-production, QA and production environments we have roughly 40 of these. They rarely share the same installed ports, nor the same hardware and thus kernel files. Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall. Yes, I know about pfsync, yes, we use it, no, it doesn't *instantly* sync sessions for PF. This, is actually quite a pain as well because the Project Managers are loath to swap between firewalls, and we need to do it nightly. These factors + source upgrade = major pain From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 15:51:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F013106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fj@wonko.batmule.dk) Received: from wonko.batmule.dk (wonko.batmule.dk [IPv6:2a02:9d0:3020:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBBE8FC12 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wonko.batmule.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 304E9187F96; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:51:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:51:35 +0200 From: Flemming Jacobsen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120531155135.GD69801@wonko.batmule.dk> References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE amd64 X-PGPkey: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xDCC399C7 Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:51:37 -0000 Damien Fleuriot wrote: > You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, > they're still time consuming and disruptive. > 1/ reboot after installing new kernel > 2/ reboot after installing new world > 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports Or ... use sysbuild (/usr/src/tools/tools/sysbuild) and just boot once. Hyg' Flemming -- Flemming Jacobsen Email: fj@batmule.dk "If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you." -- Oscar Wilde From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 16:10:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554841065670 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45AB8FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so1043347wgb.31 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KyKW5h52NMtTVRxgwn7hmEauaOEkgVRR/DSUZF7RwAU=; b=qJcoyNLhgxXNY6Isu6hKMR/3NTfEX3wEnGnwsxdxrW/ktkSBUqKibgEJXQBGs4+gb6 nqSn8dsjvCFISSt5DwAqD5vCPkP7Jcr1gnn8/51xWVjZCH9N5ZepDjVJBPfu9p4eWLq8 Dx7wLFLjfclUZbUF79EXP6pXVhfi7SKVO5juDXJfpN8gQaR+ND79YsRTJJ5K+b8D0kdx uO5KNUXvruFRPIz7cXCkqPNwWD7yBkWg1NU0ez3TCsP8GNyVnL3KmfYCgOxEGXWFTWnZ H9usLcwbmZoCnBULK/bn3jp/3VfpxNx15oDVK/tNBSVY8FQAn8gfN04hFsZlnj8xQYK8 djww== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.206.164 with SMTP id l36mr13854537weo.154.1338480628731; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.155.4 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120531110215.GA78200@alchemy.franken.de> References: <1338419624.36051.94.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <20120531110215.GA78200@alchemy.franken.de> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:10:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Marius Strobl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Ian Lepore , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Stable" Subject: Re: Boot hangs on v9 system at CD device probe X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:10:30 -0000 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Marius Strobl wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 05:13:44PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: >> On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 14:54 -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> > I sent a note about this a couple of weeks ago, but have not heard >> > anything. I'm really getting a bit desperate. >> > >> > I have a system that I am trying to upgrade from 8.2 to 9.0. I have >> > built it and installed the kernel, but it fails to boot. The boot >> > freezes after probing for my hard drives during the probe of the >> > CDROM. It just sits there, seemingly forever, though I have never >> > waited longer then a few minutes. >> > >> > The system is a SuperMicro C25BX mother board. The DVD is PATA, >> > reported on boot of 8-Stable as: >> > acd0: DVDR at ata2-master UDMA66 >> > >> > If I unplug the CDROM, it boots fine, but I really need the device on >> > the system, so I really can't leave it unplugged. Also, after the 9 >> > kernel is installed, my Mk file have been updated so that I can't >> > build some ports if I boot the 8.2 kernel. Does anyone remember this >> > being reported by others? It was most likely on current, as it was >> > probably prior to the release of 9. I googled around, but could not >> > find it. >> > >> > I'd really appreciate it if anyone can point me toward a solution. >> > >> > Thanks, >> >> When faced with a mystery like this I sometimes go into the mode of >> "poke it with a stick and see if it twitches." =A0If you can get it to >> twitch at all, maybe that's a starting point. =A0In this case, I guess I >> might start with seeing if setting hw.ata.atapi_dma=3D0 in the loader >> makes any difference. >> > > Note that hw.ata.atapi_dma isn't honored by 9.0 with options ATA_CAM > (default in GENERIC). Support for that loader tuneable was only > resurrected rather recently (but is available in stable/9). The > equivalent for 9.0 would be setting hint.ata.X.mode to PIO4 where > X is the number of the ata(4) device attached for the channel the > CDROM is connected to. > ATA_CAM is indeed known to break ATAPI DMA for some ATA controllers > though. What's the `pciconf -lv` output for this one? Good point. I had forgotten about the hw.ata.atapi_dma removal and was not even awarethat it had been recently re-enabled. My controller is: atapci0@pci0:17:4:0: class=3D0x010185 card=3D0x82131283 chip=3D0x82131283 rev=3D0x00 hdr=3D0x00 vendor =3D 'Integrated Technology Express (ITE) Inc' device =3D 'IDE Controller (IT8213F)' class =3D mass storage subclass =3D ATA It is used ONLY for the CD/DVD as all other disks use the 3ware RAID contro= ller. Unfortunately, the system is not located where I am, so I can't really try anything until I get over there. Maybe later today I can run into that office and try some of the suggestions. I can certainly build a kernel without ATA_CAM. Thanks! --=20 R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 16:37:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4166E106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@gmx.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.gmx.com [74.208.5.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D14718FC0C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 May 2012 16:37:33 -0000 Received: from g230070075.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO [192.168.178.28]) [92.230.70.75] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us007) with SMTP; 31 May 2012 12:37:33 -0400 X-Authenticated: #46156728 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Aw4JsUKAAc7xogsFJQxSzxXVYpv5RJA8eN8RECG 9BDL4kZC2LSs6G Message-ID: <4FC79E45.4060505@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:37:25 +0200 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Jim Ohlstein Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:37:41 -0000 On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan > with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall. > Yes, I know about pfsync, yes, we use it, no, it doesn't *instantly* > sync sessions for PF. A bit offtopic on this thread, but isn't pfsync designed to do just that? instantly? With instantly I really mean: Communicate every change to the stable table to the other firewall in order to let the stateful connections survive a firewall failover. Obviously, some packets will be lost, but TCP connections should survive, right? I am not arguing, I ask. Nikos From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 16:46:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A711065670; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4882D8FC0A; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:46:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at BSDLabs AB Message-ID: <4FC7A07F.8050607@intersonic.se> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:46:55 +0200 From: Per olof Ljungmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Chisnall References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Jakob Alvermark Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:46:59 -0000 On 05/30/12 20:20, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm > sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish > number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material > (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before > I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using > FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about > FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first > started using it? Without going into detail,BSD has served our company extremely well for over fifteen years for all server purposes we need. File server, mail, MX, web, routing/firewalls you name it. Never let us down, the stability is just out of this world, the docs are excellent and the people great. So, 1. Stability 2. Ease of upgrades 3. The community and developers A big thank you to all that keeps us running! //per From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 16:52:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43B81065670 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:52:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B50E8FC08 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:52:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so587742eek.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=d7URC1KvlSIt9l9i663knSTJBhysv585ID4uGZsrUxA=; b=k9a4vXch9JZAiCfxLnhL5QhdujltFO/UN90Xaucw02JbYc6hobt0h+OhR89/LEkBba hJQSwUqEUKqqx/rtdnKqeMIR/jHC6MjkfTlCwLDX0cKw8IDeJ0kY1XaDV0frTLV0H2GQ e/tVFnY0FGgqPQgOdvysDbBd+LD3LEaUDZvWTY5EwRaba+dlwyVpqn/P+KM/kgsqI+g5 9vqvFcm/L1vBWviEYh5CuCRmpXxM0cRvlfuZKn9uimuJPCNMxACeyThE0FiNlnMdgyVZ NNRIo5M/iPyNtnfXfnPEu6sshzOh8zeD3iA8IVecJLvkX5ph+KgiYYvd8cAfruWwQkEe iGeQ== Received: by 10.14.28.202 with SMTP id g50mr8560731eea.51.1338483165174; Thu, 31 May 2012 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y54sm12394454eef.10.2012.05.31.09.52.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 09:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC7A1DB.6040409@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:52:43 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikos Vassiliadis References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC79E45.4060505@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC79E45.4060505@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn2AmNgDPgmWAnZmgL0reMO0JLUslsUVBZWg9ibtNk8gmfB+prEL7iP2bUxMuhgR7Y1fqPw Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Jim Ohlstein Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:52:46 -0000 On 5/31/12 6:37 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan >> with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall. >> Yes, I know about pfsync, yes, we use it, no, it doesn't *instantly* >> sync sessions for PF. > > A bit offtopic on this thread, but isn't pfsync designed to do just > that? instantly? > > With instantly I really mean: > Communicate every change to the stable table to the other firewall > in order to let the stateful connections survive a firewall failover. > Obviously, some packets will be lost, but TCP connections should > survive, right? > > I am not arguing, I ask. > > Nikos Updates aren't instantaneous, they're sent in bundles. This means that when you failover, you lose the connections that have completed a SYN/SYNACK/ACK sequence on your main firewall but which aren't synched on your backup. These connections will continue with the peer sending regular non-syn packets, which your backup-now-master PF will drop. On topic, if anyone has an awesome idea around this, I'm all ears, this exact topic is causing us some level of discomfort at work, when we need to swap firewalls for updates. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 17:42:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1139106564A; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:42:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from seanbru@yahoo-inc.com) Received: from mrout1-b.corp.bf1.yahoo.com (mrout1-b.corp.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.253.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8939E8FC08; Thu, 31 May 2012 17:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (rideseveral.corp.yahoo.com [10.73.160.231]) by mrout1-b.corp.bf1.yahoo.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/y.out) with ESMTP id q4VHfuHJ016911; Thu, 31 May 2012 10:41:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=yahoo-inc.com; s=cobra; t=1338486118; bh=4twq2wDv++j7vnN4b3qJP1lW0qDZ8eWANF8JnTdVQxM=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Date: Message-ID:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h8KuBrFYjTj85tw9tioB8fPqyHom8R2OLPjc9bGQj4KPm97Z+UXdGcglYHJ4no4m3 4RxWjY2FktTcN/yaXnEFBFJUaP26GZiF/HcPGQb21Rn2hVlq0kQeY7yRvP/cvbBgFT Hnax+qZ0Lf/B4reCSgK5hNqTlA0tJC8lQ1p6KUdY= From: Sean Bruno To: "obrien@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <20120531031925.GB77656@dragon.NUXI.org> References: <1337890075.2709.16.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> <20120531031925.GB77656@dragon.NUXI.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:41:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1338486116.2985.9.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Milter-Version: master.31+4-gbc07cd5+ X-CLX-ID: 486117001 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: bash 4.2 patchlevel 28 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:42:22 -0000 On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 20:19 -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 01:07:55PM -0700, Sean Bruno wrote: > > Noted that the following syntax is broken somewhere between 4.2 > > patchlevel 10 and 28. I'm sure its because we shouldn't be doing that > > over here at big purple, but we do ... and its a PITA. I'm bisecting to > > find out what is going on. > > Hi Sean, > Were you able to track down which patch 10-28 broke this for you? > > thanks, After reverting back to patchlevel 10, I applied patches sequentially. something about patchlevel 12 caused issues for our homebrew builds via m4/bison that I haven't investigated. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 18:13:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2AD1065670 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B5E8FC17 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4VIDg9a082873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 May 2012 19:13:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q4VIDg9a082873 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q4VIDg9a082873; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:13:32 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig287B588498B87C4069CBDBAC" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Jim Ohlstein Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:13:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig287B588498B87C4069CBDBAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 31/05/2012 16:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each= , > they're still time consuming and disruptive. > 1/ reboot after installing new kernel > 2/ reboot after installing new world > 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports If you rebuilt the ports first, then you'ld only have two reboots. Also, while the cautious approach detailed in /usr/src/UPDATING is never wrong, much of the time you can do the upgrade perfectly well by installing world+kernel together and just rebooting once. Obviously this is not a good idea if your machines are in a datacenter many miles away and you don't have console-equivalent access or if you're upgrading over a large delta in versions, or you're making major changes to the kernel config. This sort of operation is something that ZFS boot environment support (recently committed to HEAD, due for MFC within the month) makes much, much safer and easier to deal with. You don't need to do a separate reboot to test the kernel as you've still got an entire kernel+world in the previous BE to fall back on. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig287B588498B87C4069CBDBAC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/HtNYACgkQ8Mjk52CukIywRgCfX+WvsKvgcz51fMgM1TNr3b6c KHgAn0c0NJbtTQJCDQGL8X8n0KthbreC =EBdP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig287B588498B87C4069CBDBAC-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 19:21:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B095106564A; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:21:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scherfreebsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6208FC14; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10so1285963laa.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:21:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:content-type:subject:date:message-id:cc:to:mime-version :x-mailer; bh=5vCqkV2Ry177g//yjg32doi38QAdJ+rK+hNzFh4rKeM=; b=reIX12Kzx2O6E8tuY5MpZkNQg+SkAm8UDG95CqARnArAHP5yT7+oltn/NKgmKg92Qt d3XNenDQasqPrnIG5rtJrcMZYgiZJpvugVhtlab9xBw+riFQAthrlHFKQX6zDn0/O4y7 Uru/1B95xVuMPiFqArH1Tuth124trr+0QV9ywusT4oD6PoBT757vo+JBmF9SYzjj48fI EY3yAlDhjxY52WudAH48nWAf6mT+bl6o7SPzBB5Rv6z5LQPwsLCxlcy9d2MAtvY9pxOa eVdgaApxUJHYFZfMnYInSHXDwO88DOdFR/O6LM6tXsB1w4aljsRET2CeJwunVJfh175c 4oyw== Received: by 10.152.111.200 with SMTP id ik8mr21076359lab.15.1338492074203; Thu, 31 May 2012 12:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [77.66.153.242] ([77.66.153.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hm7sm5679641lab.12.2012.05.31.12.21.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 12:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Alexander Pronin From: Alexander Pronin Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:21:10 +0400 Message-Id: <4E946838-4F3B-421A-839E-05E1A01464AB@FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Marcus von Appen Subject: [ GSOC ] Differences in shell behaviour X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:21:16 -0000 Hello everyone! I am GSOC student at FreeBSD Project. So my GSOC Project is "Parallelization in the ports collection". You may checkout wiki page of this project: = http://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2012/Parallelization_in_the_ports_coll= ection Is it suitable to write sh script for 9.0, that does not work in 8.3? To sum up, the scenario is as following: I need to spawn some processes in background to build port's = dependencies. Store their pids. Wait for a while or do some stuff. explore exit codes of spawned processes by their pids. The problem is: ### sh in 8.3 $ false & pid=3D$! $=20 [1] Done (1) false $ wait ${pid} wait: No such job: 4852 ----------------------- ### sh in releng9 $ false & pid=3D$! $=20 [1] Done(1) false $ wait ${pid} $ echo $? 1 $ I am currently working in releng9 environment, so the result suits my = needs. But, is it suitable to write sh script for 9.0, that does not work in = 8.3? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 19:29:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15D4106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:29:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdunn@acm.org) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958B58FC08 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id q4VJHRZb029223 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:17:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (kldunn@localhost) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly-submit) with ESMTP id q4VJHQIJ029218 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:17:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: fly.hiwaay.net: kldunn owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:17:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Karl Dunn X-X-Sender: kldunn@fly.hiwaay.net To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120531041345.0F71310657B6@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: References: <20120531041345.0F71310657B6@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (LRH 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Karl Dunn List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:29:32 -0000 > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending > it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of > users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which > advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd > like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. > If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which > would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > > David > > ------------------------------ 1. Stability 2. Security 3. Ease of configuration ... and more ... 4. Lots of good ports, that build and install mostly with NO trouble. 5. Works like ('cause IS) BSD/Solaris, rather than Sys5 (see 3 above) 6. Good lists 7. Great help when I need it ... some history ... Had been using Solaris on a variety of Suns, when in July 1999 it fell to me (a hardware designer) to set up a firewall to replace a really unreliable Windows app-level firewall. Got an old PC, put FreeBSD 3.2 on it, got Trusted Information Systems' proxies for HTTP and FTP, got it up and working with only minor problems. Into production in less than a week. It ran until GE bought the whole company out in late 2001, finally upgraded to 4.2. Currently (2012) maintaining a FW based in FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE GENERIC for a local charity's office. Hardware is a Dell T105. First light was in 2008 using 6.2. No noticeable trouble. The same host also runs Samba 3.3.13 for the LAN users, DHCP, and internal mail. FW is NATing ipfw. I have been retired since 2002 January, and do this for fun. FreeBSD has made it so. Thanks, very much indeed, everyone. Karl Dunn kdunn@acm.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 20:17:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035DC106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-lists@tychl.net) Received: from mail.tychl.net (mail.tychl.net [71.13.185.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891C08FC0A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.tychl.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F15D1CB4C; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:51:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tychl.net Received: from mail.tychl.net ([192.168.0.2]) by localhost (masq.tychl.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id Ljsu+Lf5PLOm; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.1.94] (gen-nat-out-251.summitpolymers.com [71.13.185.251]) by mail.tychl.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D561C1CB48; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FC7CBBC.6090204@tychl.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:51:24 -0400 From: Nick Gustas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC79E45.4060505@gmx.com> <4FC7A1DB.6040409@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4FC7A1DB.6040409@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:17:28 -0000 On 5/31/2012 12:52 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 5/31/12 6:37 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: >> On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan >>> with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall. >>> Yes, I know about pfsync, yes, we use it, no, it doesn't *instantly* >>> sync sessions for PF. >> A bit offtopic on this thread, but isn't pfsync designed to do just >> that? instantly? >> >> With instantly I really mean: >> Communicate every change to the stable table to the other firewall >> in order to let the stateful connections survive a firewall failover. >> Obviously, some packets will be lost, but TCP connections should >> survive, right? >> >> I am not arguing, I ask. >> >> Nikos > Updates aren't instantaneous, they're sent in bundles. > > This means that when you failover, you lose the connections that have > completed a SYN/SYNACK/ACK sequence on your main firewall but which > aren't synched on your backup. > > These connections will continue with the peer sending regular non-syn > packets, which your backup-now-master PF will drop. > > > On topic, if anyone has an awesome idea around this, I'm all ears, this > exact topic is causing us some level of discomfort at work, when we need > to swap firewalls for updates. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I don't see this option on FreeBSD 9, but on OpenBSD pfsync has a defer flag that would appear to address your issue. The options are as follows: defer Defer transmission of the first packet in a state until a peer has acknowledged that the associated state has been inserted. See pfsync(4) for more information. -defer Do not defer the first packet in a state. This is the default. From pfsync(4) The pfsync interface will attempt to collapse multiple state updates into a single packet where possible. The maximum number of times a single state can be updated before a pfsync packet will be sent out is con- trolled by the maxupd parameter to ifconfig (see ifconfig(8) and the ex- ample below for more details). The sending out of a pfsync packet will be delayed by a maximum of one second. Where more than one firewall might actively handle packets, e.g. with certain ospfd(8), bgpd(8) or carp(4) configurations, it is beneficial to defer transmission of the initial packet of a connection. The pfsync state insert message is sent immediately; the packet is queued until ei- ther this message is acknowledged by another system, or a timeout has ex- pired. This behaviour is enabled with the defer parameter to ifconfig(8). I'm sure this could be ported over. -Nick From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 20:24:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07C51065670 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from smtp-int-m.obspm.fr (smtp-int-m.obspm.fr [145.238.187.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDA98FC15 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pcjas.obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by smtp-int-m.obspm.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/SIO Observatoire de Paris - 07/2009) with ESMTP id q4VKNYc4030696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:23:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:23:34 +0200 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120531202334.GA27926@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Miltered: at smtp-int-m.obspm.fr with ID 4FC7D346.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4FC7D346.000/145.238.184.233/pcjas.obspm.fr/pcjas.obspm.fr/ Subject: Load when idl on stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:24:24 -0000 Hi I already post a message about my problem I've three PC, all are Dell. Two laptop and one desktop. All run FreeBSD 9-Stable amd64 Since 1 or 2 months I notice the load is never drop down 0.8-0.9 event when nothing running but only on those laptop. I update today my desktop to last csup src and everything is fine on the desktop. On both laptop the load is still at 0.8 - 0.9 And in same time the usb mouse on the laptop stop working meaning I can use the touchpad, but if I plug a usb mouse, the kernel see the device but the mouse not working on xorg. Is' not block my work so I can live with that. I just want report those problems. Regards. JAS -- Albert SHIH DIO bâtiment 15 Observatoire de Paris 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 xmpp: jas@jabber.obspm.fr Heure local/Local time: jeu 31 mai 2012 22:18:40 CEST From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 20:28:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BC2106566B; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hammer.pct.niksun.com (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88D88FC14; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FC7D464.20602@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:28:20 -0400 From: Jung-uk Kim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120502 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andriy Gapon References: <1337319129.2915.4.camel@powernoodle-l7> <4FB6765A.2050307@FreeBSD.org> <1337710214.2916.8.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> <20120525163653.b61a08e2.lists@yamagi.org> <4FBFA9A9.7020806@FreeBSD.org> <4FBFBD39.7000105@FreeBSD.org> <4FBFDFFB.9020501@FreeBSD.org> <4FBFE624.1020208@FreeBSD.org> <20120526090233.f638c1d2.lists@yamagi.org> <4FC0A3A1.80200@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4FC0A3A1.80200@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Yamagi Burmeister , seanbru@yahoo-inc.com Subject: Re: [stable 9] broken hwpstate calls X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:28:21 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-05-26 05:34:25 -0400, Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 26/05/2012 10:02 Yamagi Burmeister said the following: >> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:05:56 -0400 Jung-uk Kim >> wrote: >> >>>> if we decide so, then I think that we could still keep the >>>> things "simple". As we currently use the "wholesale" approach >>>> (all CPUs are set to the same P-state regardless of >>>> topology), then we could first make a pass of writing the MSR >>>> on all processors with a new P-state value and then make >>>> another pass of checking via MSR C001_0063 that the P-state >>>> is acquired. >>> >>> No, I believe checking MSRC001_0071[18:16] is much simpler if >>> it works. And it does not break current cpufreq(4) design >>> principles. >> >> Okay, thank's for your input. I'll come up with a patch. But it >> won't happen until tuesday or wednesday next week. >> > > I believe the approach that I suggested to be so trivial to > implement (and also correct) that here is a patch: ... It is simple but I don't like locking scheduler, binding CPU, and writing the same MSR, multiple times for each core. Besides, it introduces more delay and you may be reading the correct status because of that. :-P If people really think checking MSRC001_0071[18:16] is unworthy for Bulldozer, I prefer skipping status check but I disagree with this patch. Thanks, Jung-uk Kim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/H1GQACgkQmlay1b9qnVM+RQCfaYl6LpyARoO2oiyimwrWrhXD BPoAoIna4GHZKlsCRaXV3jqH8ujpzur5 =NYS0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 20:31:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BD5106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:31:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4378FC17 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2so2117542pbb.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:31:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=OouLWpz/1LKAJkkZVm52k8mghKXOb2WovytTqIr6mX0=; b=NuYHl/8J2NBemLQ2QV7ggr0TTYeFdpogYTOvE3i/7wLva5GGwE5eWOaEZ+xXCYUo6x y/5C/GJAMLuW3ikI9Au690ouyuO20qH36Jww2BTnJF4rsayc9C/iafVjCt50GT8gFSTe yGVhXhwBNd3ZR/TO5SR+UIvJb4azDrEtB3KUE5MrY8UOR9uaUnfM54BAnKvGmKVvT1er ouBXocsicuZcfmF9Kutqy3rr6Q0SJ4Gf5bYOKB3CP5jU4Ke6SEuhIJ1gchnBUVizZgYM JkKJnhtL5uM1t+SZzj0Zlg/CAKApEF9BdrIooaHb4a87Cb3GKGlYQ8BvLB+fkHIkFeIE Nbtw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.129.167 with SMTP id nx7mr2991993pbb.80.1338496265824; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.203.2 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 13:31:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC77555.1010202@my.gd> References: <4FC77555.1010202@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:31:05 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fxDDAtmdC58EBmXxYDdh9QWn3YY Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: IPv6 and CARP crashes boxes X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:31:06 -0000 On 31 May 2012 06:42, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Hey list, > > The thread about "Why Are You Using FreeBSD", listing the pros and cons > of FBSD, has brought back a topic to mind. > > Recently (read, < 3 months ago) I was experimenting with IPv6 and CARP > on 8.x boxes and that crashed them both. > > I posted a thread on -net and, sadly, never got a single reply. Did you file a PR? Chances are bz (IPv6 maintainer) has just been very busy. :-) Adrian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 20:45:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7726D106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apeiron@isuckatdomains.net) Received: from isuckatdomains.net (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:4::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615D78FC1B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 20:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isuckatdomains.members.linode.com (isuckatdomains.net [74.207.243.179]) by isuckatdomains.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C9FE45AA4 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:45:56 -0400 From: Chris Nehren To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20120531204556.GB15877@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> <201205311520.q4VFK4Ng099493@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: Solaris features in FreeBSD (was: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:45:57 -0000 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 17:20:04 +0200 , Oliver Fromme wrote: > But there's one thing that hasn't been mentioned so far, > I think: jails. The jails feature was the most important > reason why one of our largest customers chose FreeBSD for > its server farm instead of Linux. I also use this feature > quite a lot on my own boxes to easily confine services and > applications into sandboxes, without having to use a full- > blown virtualization system with all of its disadvantages. I did mention "Solaris features" in my list reply, which sort of includes jails in a circuitous way--there's a video somewhere on the tubes where one of the Solaris devs describes zones as jails on steroids or the like. And speaking of Solaris features... On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 19:13:32 +0100 , Matthew Seaman wrote: > This sort of operation is something that ZFS boot environment support > (recently committed to HEAD, due for MFC within the month) makes much, > much safer and easier to deal with. You don't need to do a separate > reboot to test the kernel as you've still got an entire kernel+world in > the previous BE to fall back on. This is *awesome*. /me removes yet another item from the "reasons to use Solaris" list. I cannot wait to try this out. -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 21:31:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFC4106566B for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 21:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBE88FC14 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 21:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbds11 with SMTP id ds11so1321447wgb.31 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to :x-gm-message-state; bh=ybQm0t5F6kNZucylDkA9KChkVmiT2KMqcEuWGFD4/40=; b=EkEZc6lmenIiHzBs1XUFg+MKOn1A7L3oLfrZFB99o5/r/GrryDoyD8EHhPaYuQK0Om vJZPLJcm70yWzhHiAwmj7YrzZZXIfB8HlR5aT9ydb5Mh/Ea701a49C354nV8WVn8NM8C XQYDINEe8mVdYvK2tOBe+VZTQy+1974bD2Lbhr1Y47a+EWpxnZM3gQ2tNv43Y4Bsd+TA r2TD+Jx5dbFRngs0Ehl2qciChB9yjRSu1GrTt+ae7wyEsA9QzVoUxsGX97vKuCKCGh2N kljEnMZsG5tboHOAOXu9sVlLYChdfkE1SevrObuK0TInsr3OtFAy/Z90ue1XmFMJPhj3 z8Tg== Received: by 10.216.138.130 with SMTP id a2mr233979wej.35.1338499910629; Thu, 31 May 2012 14:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (did75-17-88-165-130-96.fbx.proxad.net. [88.165.130.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gc6sm6205914wib.0.2012.05.31.14.31.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 14:31:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <4FC77555.1010202@my.gd> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <0376B650-CC77-44E6-9BAE-C6DDB3270D05@my.gd> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Damien Fleuriot Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:31:44 +0200 To: Adrian Chadd X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnsU0eMEShq/gbf+sEv6exRaQLhNlEJheRCkvgsKAQypys44gzrTeQ9acJizP8Qmz6ckzn9 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: IPv6 and CARP crashes boxes X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:31:52 -0000 On 31 May 2012, at 22:31, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 31 May 2012 06:42, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Hey list, >>=20 >> The thread about "Why Are You Using FreeBSD", listing the pros and cons >> of FBSD, has brought back a topic to mind. >>=20 >> Recently (read, < 3 months ago) I was experimenting with IPv6 and CARP >> on 8.x boxes and that crashed them both. >>=20 >> I posted a thread on -net and, sadly, never got a single reply. >=20 > Did you file a PR? Chances are bz (IPv6 maintainer) has just been very bus= y. :-) >=20 >=20 > Adrian I was actually trying to get some feedback on -net and see if anyone had enc= ountered the problem before filling a PR. I guess I'll reproduce the problem, fill a PR, then post here so we can disc= uss it and make things move forward. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 21:44:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3EC1065672 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 21:44:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cordeiro@cert.br) Received: from woq.cert.br (woq.cert.br [IPv6:2001:12ff:0:7000::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC4A8FC0A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 21:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from luinil.cert.br (luinil.cert.br [200.160.7.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by woq.cert.br (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D7F041AA56 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:44:42 -0300 (BRT) Received: by luinil.cert.br (Postfix, from userid 1400) id D5D30E043A; Thu, 31 May 2012 18:44:41 -0300 (BRT) From: Luiz Eduardo Roncato Cordeiro To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:44:41 -0300 Message-ID: <2108304.iOLx7EN5A5@luinil.cert.br> Organization: NIC.br --- CERT.br User-Agent: KMail/4.8.3 (FreeBSD/8.3-STABLE; KDE/4.8.3; i386; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:44:44 -0000 Because I really like it! ;-) I've been using FreeBSD since the RELEASE-1.0(.5)?, as far as I remembe= r... But, the first BSD I had installed was a 386BSD, on a old 386 computer.= =20 Yeah! Version 0.0 or 0.1... God! I'm getting old! Cordeiro Em quarta-feira, 30 de maio de 2012, =E0s 19:20:31, David Chisnall escr= eveu: > Hi Everyone, >=20 > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sendi= ng it > to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users= . >=20 > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (whi= ch > advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I= 'd > like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. = If > you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which w= ould > you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? >=20 > David_______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 22:38:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B99106566C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0B58FC0C for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhn6 with SMTP id hn6so36057wib.13 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:38:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0fduAHqSNngSoxYIbrgp1GW6CCIW1JDTCnArDbvTbo8=; b=HXnvmM5ZVBTXzfzfCo0p4cioQ8Qv2B0ij6VAwhTTgFg+WgCi7K68DToUUzVnJE7Sab bmZ6u08qgDiD3qdR4rUSXXaGfkvNGFxpYdIoqgnt6ZI2mxLSrlL8CQeCPKDzBVN8B6TF vPseAu5F8SlLC7UasbcwGHi7zdbtvLTr9hyTLjeau3zAMpm3QjdHYdFgcT0d1K/2JGFe +VuwPhfXV3ZKswWkWeg2HE6j4SzTR8DN0BRVoMSWt8vQSLNnrN7w3SFp45AnyfUQQnSo k26///pMzLqS8jdddgm/zZIRwAvu/1BrdQAsqMjVBpIRX2xvpeV+AO7cf+hYXbCpsWca ra2g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.194.93 with SMTP id l71mr297887wen.169.1338503917345; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.155.4 with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2012 15:38:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC773AE.1030906@my.gd> References: <4FC742BF.4080005@my.gd> <20120531102127.GV39168@e-new.0x20.net> <80C9CF39-B4B2-4F2E-BC30-138BB692C91A@my.gd> <4FC773AE.1030906@my.gd> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 15:38:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Damien Fleuriot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , Claus Guttesen Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:38:45 -0000 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > On 5/31/12 1:20 PM, Claus Guttesen wrote: >>>>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >>>>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >>>>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >>>> >>>> But how often do you need to >>> >>> As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem. >>> >>> We have > 800 servers and I can't argue that debian's update process is much simpler and faster. >> >> Take a look at freebsd-update: >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html. >> This tracks release. >> > > As I just replied to an off-list mail, we can't use binary upgrades because: > > > 1/ we use custom kernels with a lot of the stuff stripped > > 2/ we pass custom options to ports, which excludes pre-compiled packages > > 3/ we don't track release, I'm trying to move our boxes away from it so > we can get faster patches, we track 8-STABLE on most boxes Make your own freebsd-update server and build whatever custom system you need. It does not need to be a GENERIC kernel. It does not need to be RELEASE.Then use freebsd-update to update all of your production systems with a single reboot and about 15 minutes (depending on system and disk speed and I have not actually timed it).and it can be done without console access or a single-user boot. Caveats: Systems must be updated from a version the server knows to a version the server knows; both kernel and world. Major version bumps may require re-installation of ports. Security ports and minor updates are trivial. Grenada? -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 22:39:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B45106564A for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:39:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@FreeBSD.org) Received: from m2.gritton.org (gritton.org [199.192.164.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E238FC08 for ; Thu, 31 May 2012 22:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from guppy.corp.verio.net (fw.oremut02.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by m2.gritton.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4VMcrop014239; Thu, 31 May 2012 16:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jamie@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <4FC7F2F8.40800@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:38:48 -0600 From: Jamie Gritton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20120126 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Serg R Subject: Re: The problem with starting/stopping of jail in the last 9-STABLE. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:39:02 -0000 On 05/31/12 07:56, Serg R wrote: > At system startup, a message: > Starting jails: cannot start jail "test": > -1 > > # /etc/rc.d/jail start > Starts jail successfully. > > # ee /var/run/jail_test.id > Setting hostname: test. > > # /etc/rc.d/jail stop > Stopping jails: test > > # jls > JID IP Address Hostname Path > 3 10.2.8.7 test /usr/jails/www > > #uname -a > FreeBSD sorgo 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #4: Thu May 31 13:39:39 SAMT 2012 root@sorgo:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SORGO amd64 That's no longer the latest 9-STABLE - I MFCd some patches today that should fix this. - Jamie From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 31 23:53:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49CF106566C; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECA38FC0C; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4VNrTkX016386; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:53:29 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q4VNrSkY016376; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:53:28 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:53:28 GMT Message-Id: <201205312353.q4VNrSkY016376@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:53:30 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-31 20:44:53 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-05-31 20:44:53 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-05-31 20:44:53 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc/powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 20:44:53 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-05-31 20:45:25 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-05-31 20:45:25 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - building world TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 20:46:28 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Thu May 31 20:46:29 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Thu May 31 23:25:50 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-05-31 23:25:50 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-05-31 23:25:50 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 23:25:50 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-05-31 23:25:50 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-05-31 23:25:50 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-05-31 23:25:50 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 23:25:50 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-31 23:25:50 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-31 23:25:50 - 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PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-31 23:47:24 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 23:47:24 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 23:47:24 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 23:47:24 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-31 23:47:24 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 23:47:24 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 23:47:24 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Thu May 31 23:47:25 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/mp_cpudep.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch32.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-05-31 23:53:28 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-05-31 23:53:28 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-05-31 23:53:28 - 7805.84 user 1038.45 system 11315.38 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 00:36:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B30106564A; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:36:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A688FC12; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q510abIq012455; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:36:37 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q510abG1012454; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:36:37 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:36:37 GMT Message-Id: <201206010036.q510abG1012454@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:36:39 -0000 TB --- 2012-05-31 21:13:46 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-05-31 21:13:46 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-05-31 21:13:46 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc64/powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 21:13:46 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-05-31 21:14:41 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-05-31 21:14:41 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc64/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - building world TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - cd /src TB --- 2012-05-31 21:15:38 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Thu May 31 21:15:38 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> stage 5.1: building 32 bit shim libraries >>> World build completed on Fri Jun 1 00:12:48 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 00:12:48 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Fri Jun 1 00:12:48 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Fri Jun 1 00:31:46 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - skipping GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC64 TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - building GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 00:31:46 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC64 >>> Kernel build for GENERIC64 started on Fri Jun 1 00:31:46 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/slb.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch64.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc64/src/sys/GENERIC64. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-06-01 00:36:37 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-01 00:36:37 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 00:36:37 - 8856.95 user 1230.00 system 12171.20 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 01:48:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1141065673; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 01:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86D2161E4D; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 01:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4FC81F15.5010008@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:47:01 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Pronin References: <4E946838-4F3B-421A-839E-05E1A01464AB@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4E946838-4F3B-421A-839E-05E1A01464AB@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Marcus von Appen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [ GSOC ] Differences in shell behaviour X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:48:14 -0000 On 5/31/2012 12:21 PM, Alexander Pronin wrote: > But, is it suitable to write sh script for 9.0, that does not work in 8.3? No. Our tools need to work in all supported versions of FreeBSD, which at this time includes 7 as well. hope this helps, Doug PS, please don't cross-post to multiple FreeBSD lists. freebsd-ports@ would have been enough for this message. -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 03:10:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5FE106566C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 03:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hugeraid.jetcafe.org (hugeraid.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28948FC0C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 03:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hugeraid.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hugeraid.jetcafe.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q512xeqx041292; Thu, 31 May 2012 19:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <201206010259.q512xeqx041292@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Flemming Jacobsen , Kevin Oberman In-reply-to: <20120531155135.GD69801@wonko.batmule.dk> References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <20120531155135.GD69801@wonko.batmule.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:59:40 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 03:10:23 -0000 Flemming Jacobsen writes: > Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, >> they're still time consuming and disruptive. >> 1/ reboot after installing new kernel >> 2/ reboot after installing new world >> 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports > Or ... use sysbuild (/usr/src/tools/tools/sysbuild) and just boot > once. I respectfully disagree here. Sysbuild makes some assumptions about the partition layout which you'd need to factor in before you created your server. For the average layout (single disk, single partition), sysbuild won't be easy to make work. More generally, it's best not to clutter this interesting thread with delusions of rapidity. Given ports/packages/rpms/etc ... I claim it does not matter what system you use: There's just too much software out there that all has to work together to expect a simple upgrade to take 5 minutes on a well managed production server. I believe the more cogent solution is along these lines: Kevin Oberman writes: > Make your own freebsd-update server and build whatever custom system > you need. It does not need to be a GENERIC kernel. It does not need to > be RELEASE.Then use freebsd-update to update all of your production > systems with a single reboot and about 15 minutes (depending on system > and disk speed and I have not actually timed it).and it can be done > without console access or a single-user boot. If you take some time and plan your deployment and server layout, a single (even virtualized) server dedicated to building world and ports can help homogenize and streamline upgrades of large numbers of FreeBSD servers. I'd imagine that anything over 10 servers would almost demand this kind of attention to detail, but that's me. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< People complain about time being short, going fast. But when it seems to go slowly they complain that it drags. Let us consider the people, not the supposed movements of time. 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[24.247.238.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cg9sm1111223igb.17.2012.05.31.20.53.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 31 May 2012 20:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q513rool013850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 May 2012 23:53:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q513rnrk013849; Thu, 31 May 2012 23:53:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:53:49 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: Alexander Pronin Message-ID: <20120601035349.GA97671@DataIX.net> References: <4E946838-4F3B-421A-839E-05E1A01464AB@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E946838-4F3B-421A-839E-05E1A01464AB@FreeBSD.org> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm3f9B7Ua++Mz/MnxobEc+juLYtZjaqHi80wTRY1gDux5qxo/5ySrE/mztGZ8OVLh6fRNcC Cc: Marcus von Appen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [ GSOC ] Differences in shell behaviour X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 03:53:54 -0000 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:21:10PM +0400, Alexander Pronin wrote: > Hello everyone! > I am GSOC student at FreeBSD Project. > So my GSOC Project is "Parallelization in the ports collection". > You may checkout wiki page of this project: http://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2012/Parallelization_in_the_ports_collection > > Is it suitable to write sh script for 9.0, that does not work in 8.3? > > To sum up, the scenario is as following: > I need to spawn some processes in background to build port's dependencies. > Store their pids. > Wait for a while or do some stuff. > explore exit codes of spawned processes by their pids. > > The problem is: > ### sh in 8.3 > $ false & pid=$! > $ > [1] Done (1) false > $ wait ${pid} > wait: No such job: 4852 I don't see this behavior on 8.3-STABLE @r236350 i386 --- Console> false & pid=$! Console> wait ${pid} [1] Done (1) false Console> echo $? 1 Console> Using (builtin false) or (/usr/bin/false) I get the same results. Is this a GENERIC system your working on ? And is this a blank user account with no login.conf or profile modifications ? --- ident /bin/sh ... for reference. /bin/sh: $FreeBSD: stable/8/lib/csu/i386-elf/crti.S 146369 2005-05-19 07:31:06Z dfr $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/lib/csu/i386-elf/crtn.S 146369 2005-05-19 07:31:06Z dfr $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1_s.S 217470 2011-01-16 10:41:47Z kib $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/lib/csu/common/crtbrand.c 174251 2007-12-04 12:18:43Z kib $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/alias.c 214113 2010-10-20 18:25:00Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/arith.y 213390 2010-10-03 21:56:20Z jilles $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/arith_lex.l 234001 2012-04-07 20:52:21Z jilles $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/cd.c 214113 2010-10-20 18:25:00Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/bltin/echo.c 127958 2004-04-06 20:06:54Z markm $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/error.c 214123 2010-10-21 01:13:41Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/eval.c 231086 2012-02-06 13:36:49Z dumbbell $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/exec.c 214113 2010-10-20 18:25:00Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/expand.c 218992 2011-02-24 10:23:22Z brucec $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/histedit.c 217485 2011-01-16 22:10:18Z jilles $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/input.c 214113 2010-10-20 18:25:00Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/jobs.c 222208 2011-05-22 22:28:07Z jilles $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/mail.c 214113 2010-10-20 18:25:00Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/main.c 222452 2011-05-29 15:07:53Z jilles $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/memalloc.c 214190 2010-10-21 23:45:57Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/miscbltin.c 213390 2010-10-03 21:56:20Z jilles $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/mystring.c 213390 2010-10-03 21:56:20Z jilles $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/options.c 221515 2011-05-05 22:07:02Z jilles $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/output.c 214113 2010-10-20 18:25:00Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/parser.c 221522 2011-05-06 12:49:32Z jilles $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/redir.c 214113 2010-10-20 18:25:00Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/show.c 214113 2010-10-20 18:25:00Z obrien $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/test/test.c 220250 2011-04-01 18:23:44Z delphij $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/trap.c 231086 2012-02-06 13:36:49Z dumbbell $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/bin/sh/var.c 231531 2012-02-11 20:37:08Z jilles $ /usr/bin/false: $FreeBSD: stable/8/lib/csu/i386-elf/crti.S 146369 2005-05-19 07:31:06Z dfr $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/lib/csu/i386-elf/crtn.S 146369 2005-05-19 07:31:06Z dfr $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/lib/csu/i386-elf/crt1_s.S 217470 2011-01-16 10:41:47Z kib $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/lib/csu/common/crtbrand.c 174251 2007-12-04 12:18:43Z kib $ $FreeBSD: stable/8/usr.bin/false/false.c 111107 2003-02-19 00:10:28Z peter $ > > ----------------------- > ### sh in releng9 > $ false & pid=$! > $ > [1] Done(1) false > $ wait ${pid} > $ echo $? > 1 > $ > > I am currently working in releng9 environment, so the result suits my needs. > > But, is it suitable to write sh script for 9.0, that does not work in 8.3? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- - (2^(N-1)) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 05:41:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0254C10659A2 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ra@iop.kiev.ua) Received: from rmaile.iop.kiev.ua (rmaile.iop.kiev.ua [194.44.164.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA938FC15 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.10.4] (k1-phoebus.iop.kiev.ua [10.10.10.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by rmaile.iop.kiev.ua (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q512i4nR085383 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:44:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ra@iop.kiev.ua) Message-ID: <4FC84865.4010304@iop.kiev.ua> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:43:17 +0300 From: "Andrey S. Rybak" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120510 Icedove/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC76E29.5010006@iop.kiev.ua> <20120531145041.GB1976@DataIX.net> In-Reply-To: <20120531145041.GB1976@DataIX.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at rmaile.iop.kiev.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.3 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on rmaile.iop.kiev.ua Subject: Re: problem with nmap X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 05:41:59 -0000 Installing libpcap from ports does not help. Error message is same. Running nmap with -dd yield next: Starting Nmap 6.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2012-06-01 05:42 EEST Fetchfile found /usr/local/share/nmap/nmap-services PORTS: Using top 1000 ports found open (TCP:1000, UDP:0, SCTP:0) Fetchfile found /usr/local/share/nmap/nmap.xsl The max # of sockets we are using is: 0 --------------- Timing report --------------- hostgroups: min 1, max 100000 rtt-timeouts: init 1000, min 100, max 10000 max-scan-delay: TCP 1000, UDP 1000, SCTP 1000 parallelism: min 0, max 0 max-retries: 10, host-timeout: 0 min-rate: 0, max-rate: 0 --------------------------------------------- Read from /usr/local/share/nmap: nmap-services. WARNING: No targets were specified, so 0 hosts scanned. Nmap done: 0 IP addresses (0 hosts up) scanned in 0.04 seconds Raw packets sent: 0 (0B) | Rcvd: 0 (0B) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 05:55:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8591065673; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:55:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alp@rsu.ru) Received: from mail.r61.net (mail.r61.net [195.208.245.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F218FC23; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pyhalov.cc.rsu.ru (pyhalov.cc.rsu.ru [195.208.255.102]) (Authenticated sender: alp@sfedu.ru) by mail.r61.net (MTA) with ESMTPSA id D029B3A1705; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:55:51 +0400 (MSK) Message-ID: <4FC85967.8010300@rsu.ru> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:55:51 +0400 From: Alexander Pyhalov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110306 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <4E946838-4F3B-421A-839E-05E1A01464AB@FreeBSD.org> <4FC81F15.5010008@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4FC81F15.5010008@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.7 (mail.r61.net [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:55:51 +0400 (MSK) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Marcus von Appen , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Alexander Pronin Subject: Re: [ GSOC ] Differences in shell behaviour X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 05:55:54 -0000 Hello. On 06/01/2012 05:47, Doug Barton wrote: > On 5/31/2012 12:21 PM, Alexander Pronin wrote: >> But, is it suitable to write sh script for 9.0, that does not work in 8.3? > > No. Our tools need to work in all supported versions of FreeBSD, which > at this time includes 7 as well. I see two points... First one is that parallel building is an optional feature wich can be made conditionally available for systems with $OSVERSION >= 900000. The second one is the following. Is the difference in sh behavior intentional? Can it be considered a bug and thus the right thing is to fix it in FreeBSD 7/8? However, as it leads to difference in shell behavior, it can be undesirable. -- Best regards, Alexander Pyhalov, system administrator of Computer Center of Southern Federal University From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 06:54:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532A3106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 06:54:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AF68FC12 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 06:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q516saJr005971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:54:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC8672B.10603@digsys.bg> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:54:35 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 06:54:40 -0000 On 31.05.12 18:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, > they're still time consuming and disruptive. > 1/ reboot after installing new kernel > 2/ reboot after installing new world > 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports About the only time I ever do that is when moving from very distant versions, like from 6.4 to 9.0... Upgrading from say, 8-stable from year ago, to today's 8-stable usually requires just one reboot: rebuild world, kernel, reinstall kernel, world, update configuration files, rebuild ports, reboot. There are many cases where I do rebuild/reinstall kernel and world but do not reboot for one reason or other. Cases, where the kernel is incompatible with userspace are extremely rare and typically documented. So yes, for example during port rebuild there might be glitches with services. You are better to shut down these services that will be affected, like web server. (Although usually say, apache would load all modules at startup time and replacing them under its feet will only be noticed after it is restarted). Most of the time however is spent just compiling... and unless your server is really underpowered or overloaded it does not impact anything. This again, is especially true for the OS. I wish ports could be rebuilt and reinstalled on a single step like FreeBSD. In any case, if you have 'server farms', or like you said firewalls with CARP etc, you can usually shut down any of the members for as long as necessary and not impact any services. If you rebuild things on 'central' server, the downtime will be indeed minimal. Daniel From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 08:10:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27854106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15AC8FC0C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaac13 with SMTP id c13so122715eaa.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:10:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=yffNFqvcmZyB4VY8JcKNHwM158af3myNT6IeF3On0LM=; b=gaV05hOYlbiHeHtwx+ZyZVsfHuU/GRBpc/piiTh802Vp6cLDxvf+TpI8lREmY7GZZK CsDhbGDEMvUmCWUxiMUKDaseRDGWTTQPsOP5QTDMyZioxtl96efE7KJwWd1+A7hGtad2 gTcCrZ+2eJ9fXoote+t0hHfuU52AMQIWv/ZZLyfWVUi+l+RZhuv15fN3gWY6IY5ykbKP 1jpz5r9NqJeW6oFqxcn/CwdjiEsbxtq/m7Ib3T/25Xk/s+IWAyZvStqSEW/M27ATOnk/ j1PaZZpyHWUPIIB2oB3PNFyx1lzDgltc78wp4xcqwxL4QsE4aPkypoIOMSkpgiVW/PFy yyDA== Received: by 10.14.97.137 with SMTP id t9mr953187eef.73.1338538248339; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u7sm4079124eeb.7.2012.06.01.01.10.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC87905.30308@my.gd> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:10:45 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Gustas References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC79E45.4060505@gmx.com> <4FC7A1DB.6040409@my.gd> <4FC7CBBC.6090204@tychl.net> In-Reply-To: <4FC7CBBC.6090204@tychl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlo0Q8Wqn5/je2IQrVI3PtleOTehbbmsI5CxlELulwxBKnpVmU6jKcobf5mWjQIYiI6VVv1 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: PFsync firewall states updates (was: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:10:51 -0000 On 5/31/12 9:51 PM, Nick Gustas wrote: > On 5/31/2012 12:52 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> On 5/31/12 6:37 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: >>> On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>>> Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan >>>> with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall. >>>> Yes, I know about pfsync, yes, we use it, no, it doesn't *instantly* >>>> sync sessions for PF. >>> A bit offtopic on this thread, but isn't pfsync designed to do just >>> that? instantly? >>> >>> With instantly I really mean: >>> Communicate every change to the stable table to the other firewall >>> in order to let the stateful connections survive a firewall failover. >>> Obviously, some packets will be lost, but TCP connections should >>> survive, right? >>> >>> I am not arguing, I ask. >>> >>> Nikos >> Updates aren't instantaneous, they're sent in bundles. >> >> This means that when you failover, you lose the connections that have >> completed a SYN/SYNACK/ACK sequence on your main firewall but which >> aren't synched on your backup. >> >> These connections will continue with the peer sending regular non-syn >> packets, which your backup-now-master PF will drop. >> >> >> On topic, if anyone has an awesome idea around this, I'm all ears, this >> exact topic is causing us some level of discomfort at work, when we need >> to swap firewalls for updates. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I don't see this option on FreeBSD 9, but on OpenBSD pfsync has a defer > flag that would appear to address your issue. > > The options are as follows: > > defer Defer transmission of the first packet in a state until a peer > has acknowledged that the associated state has been inserted. > See pfsync(4) for more information. > > -defer Do not defer the first packet in a state. This is the > default. > > > From pfsync(4) > > The pfsync interface will attempt to collapse multiple state > updates into > a single packet where possible. The maximum number of times a single > state can be updated before a pfsync packet will be sent out is con- > trolled by the maxupd parameter to ifconfig (see ifconfig(8) and > the ex- > ample below for more details). The sending out of a pfsync packet > will > be delayed by a maximum of one second. > > Where more than one firewall might actively handle packets, e.g. with > certain ospfd(8), bgpd(8) or carp(4) configurations, it is > beneficial to > defer transmission of the initial packet of a connection. The pfsync > state insert message is sent immediately; the packet is queued > until ei- > ther this message is acknowledged by another system, or a timeout > has ex- > pired. This behaviour is enabled with the defer parameter to > ifconfig(8). > > > > I'm sure this could be ported over. > > -Nick > This mimics the behavior of some manufacturers like Juniper and is *definitely* the kind of option we're looking for. While I lack the skills to port this, I'm definitely available for testing. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 08:16:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B401065672 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:16:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8202A8FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaac13 with SMTP id c13so125025eaa.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=9PvIWR1nUTJnnaoUMecctmVuJlctdZznmJJim0qY7EY=; b=P7JCWA90LivN5lqczEmnSWSSDznPfgW806DnASpjz/Wne1kf4d5tow7up1B1XD45bt 9fc5NXRpC/OZlVfHtgRNSfXXiouZrFgpdzoz1tlX87eR2Lppgfw33AXhJ80IW8t/EbPl 18qOb7tv/VtOPUoklVy7wbCqU/wbOSFtP24mwKK4q0o2P/TyEj+pVV5vRXOO7t21Ks1B CK6frttrOo7UFO1yxTjNYZMdLCcYRNdyXpHVeYhiGyU6f6Cq9+yyd+vogUOyxnZDfgU+ cdgqLdzly6BUFI3Uj27a5VtkrJQQII/1ryduhG8YZxvC9dXlCEN7TbhSY/PyJcO9nQBs m8Rw== Received: by 10.14.127.198 with SMTP id d46mr825846eei.206.1338538595115; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n52sm4123322eeh.9.2012.06.01.01.16.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:16:32 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Seaman References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmcvKMg5DIWLlt0JFpIMHZfRzQ7VFZsGrKFNmR4tQTKVPpW73qLSllC7raRXMSKT/iBEDTo Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Jim Ohlstein Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:16:37 -0000 On 5/31/12 8:13 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 31/05/2012 16:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, >> they're still time consuming and disruptive. >> 1/ reboot after installing new kernel >> 2/ reboot after installing new world >> 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports > > If you rebuilt the ports first, then you'ld only have two reboots. > > Also, while the cautious approach detailed in /usr/src/UPDATING is never > wrong, much of the time you can do the upgrade perfectly well by > installing world+kernel together and just rebooting once. Obviously > this is not a good idea if your machines are in a datacenter many miles > away and you don't have console-equivalent access or if you're upgrading > over a large delta in versions, or you're making major changes to the > kernel config. > > This sort of operation is something that ZFS boot environment support > (recently committed to HEAD, due for MFC within the month) makes much, > much safer and easier to deal with. You don't need to do a separate > reboot to test the kernel as you've still got an entire kernel+world in > the previous BE to fall back on. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > The reason I rebuild the ports last is because, unless I'm wrong, any port that's statically linked to a system library would be linked to the old library from the old world. We've got very high HA constraints on these machines and I really prefer doing this the cautious way. Hell, on the first reboot I actually test the new kernel with "nextboot -k" , even when doing 8.2-RELEASE -> 8-STABLE upgrades... Regarding the ZFS boot thingy, I'm not comfortable enough with it to push it in production, so we're still using UFS here. Sure looks interesting though. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 08:19:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0B31065679 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785DA8FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaac13 with SMTP id c13so126265eaa.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:19:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=5Z2xryvU5xmLKc2pXcj/3FwNlSaq/vjr3vf8tLbDyuc=; b=mQfafu9mqHdzmIOtcGjkYM2K6UgQ3pZcfwzWsJ3/Ib1sHEOfSt3us9xVnRjHK3490B VjRDuZRLH/Nzja9+na5dcIlg9R1nFPSIODIySEHsE2mN5fi1eXpn7dBFK07c3Oa9avF4 4N+Y/KhZLJvrGnIzUF6Ae8oxmBns5iHcb9+ereEhCuUy6NxtsCgB/QQX1QlFmji0wI12 EDrNvFyVTn0Lr7jypWT8Zr4ZbZEaEE4Kf1t9lODk1G20+AA4tt/C/1Gp2GwmCQJEhBPT flWE5V+VC87Rt29x/uH0WWAzvhuQ6PEIj458XYyWKtbkmBtwP8I8+ZJBAE2/oFtgWT6l BX4w== Received: by 10.14.53.70 with SMTP id f46mr937792eec.62.1338538775457; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t3sm4121814eeb.15.2012.06.01.01.19.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC87B15.2040507@my.gd> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:19:33 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC8672B.10603@digsys.bg> In-Reply-To: <4FC8672B.10603@digsys.bg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmjFw8er1QQrhEcqQvCcRh1H9ei9Y6oNLL1JRLYHhWjYTgzXfL0qlxkcC2ZOZSow0le1dOB Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:19:37 -0000 On 6/1/12 8:54 AM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > > On 31.05.12 18:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, >> they're still time consuming and disruptive. >> 1/ reboot after installing new kernel >> 2/ reboot after installing new world >> 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports > > About the only time I ever do that is when moving from very distant > versions, like from 6.4 to 9.0... > > Upgrading from say, 8-stable from year ago, to today's 8-stable usually > requires just one reboot: rebuild world, kernel, reinstall kernel, > world, update configuration files, rebuild ports, reboot. > There are many cases where I do rebuild/reinstall kernel and world but > do not reboot for one reason or other. Cases, where the kernel is > incompatible with userspace are extremely rare and typically documented. > > So yes, for example during port rebuild there might be glitches with > services. You are better to shut down these services that will be > affected, like web server. (Although usually say, apache would load all > modules at startup time and replacing them under its feet will only be > noticed after it is restarted). Most of the time however is spent just > compiling... and unless your server is really underpowered or overloaded > it does not impact anything. This again, is especially true for the OS. > I wish ports could be rebuilt and reinstalled on a single step like > FreeBSD. > > In any case, if you have 'server farms', or like you said firewalls with > CARP etc, you can usually shut down any of the members for as long as > necessary and not impact any services. If you rebuild things on > 'central' server, the downtime will be indeed minimal. > > Daniel Yup I've been considering using a central server to hold /usr/src and /usr/obj for some time, would save me quite some time... I'll try to put something of the sort in place sometime this summer, the less painful the updates, the more likely we are to actually publish them. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 09:15:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFAC106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:15:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD2D8FC1A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q519FRBV017233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:15:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q519FRBV017233 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q519FRBV017233; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <4FC88827.8020003@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:15:19 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig70901832685804646AC5AAAC" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Jim Ohlstein Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:15:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig70901832685804646AC5AAAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/06/2012 09:16, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > The reason I rebuild the ports last is because, unless I'm wrong, any > port that's statically linked to a system library would be linked to th= e > old library from the old world. Uh -- if it's statically linked, then the object code is copied from the library into the executable image. There's no dependency between the static library and the executable once the executable has been produced. However, ports very rarely use static linkage, and even more rarely use static linkage against system libraries. Even if the system library did change, that wouldn't trigger a rebuild of the port, as there's no version number to trigger it. You could, I suppose, rebuild every port for every system update, but this would be a huge waste of time and CPU power. There have been occasions where eg. there has been a security update to one of the OpenSSL libraries in base, and the security advisory has recommended rebuilding statically linked binaries, but that only happened once in about 10 years. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 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tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-01 06:08:29 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-01 06:08:29 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc/powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 06:08:29 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-06-01 06:08:59 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-06-01 06:08:59 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - building world TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 06:09:59 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Fri Jun 1 06:10:00 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Fri Jun 1 08:50:36 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 08:50:36 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Fri Jun 1 08:50:36 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Fri Jun 1 09:11:27 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - building GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 09:11:27 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Fri Jun 1 09:11:27 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/mp_cpudep.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch32.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-06-01 09:17:48 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-01 09:17:48 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 09:17:48 - 7816.12 user 1042.52 system 11359.28 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 09:29:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756D41065677 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:29:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@chef-ingenieur.de) Received: from mail.webmatic.de (mail.webmatic.de [IPv6:2a00:1d08:0:403::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384EF8FC15 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.webmatic.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.webmatic.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1198A03D for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:29:41 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:29:41 +0200 From: Thomas Krause To: Message-ID: <21cacc98d48babdb91db692d86ab4775@chef-ingenieur.de> X-Sender: freebsd-stable@chef-ingenieur.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.7 Subject: Config ipv4 and ipv6 aliases X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:29:41 -0000 Hi, (I'm using FreeBSD 9.0-REL). ifconfig_em0_ipv6_alias0 doesn't work. I've to use ifconfig_em0_alias0 for both ipv4 and ipv6. This is not consequent. My working config looks like this: ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.100.50/28" ifconfig_em0_ipv6="inet6 2a00:abcd:0:405::2/64" ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.100.51/32" ifconfig_em0_alias1="inet6 2a00:abcd:0:405::3/64" defaultrouter="192.168.100.49" ipv6_defaultrouter="2a00:abcd:0:405::1" Please correct me, if there is a better solution. Regards, Thomas. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 09:58:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8890C1065672; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:58:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451E68FC14; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q519whdn072997; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:58:43 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q519whkg072988; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:58:43 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:58:43 GMT Message-Id: <201206010958.q519whkg072988@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:58:44 -0000 TB --- 2012-06-01 06:34:47 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-01 06:34:47 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-01 06:34:47 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc64/powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 06:34:47 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-06-01 06:35:40 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-06-01 06:35:40 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc64/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - building world TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 06:36:51 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Fri Jun 1 06:36:54 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> stage 5.1: building 32 bit shim libraries >>> World build completed on Fri Jun 1 09:35:03 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 09:35:03 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Fri Jun 1 09:35:03 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Fri Jun 1 09:53:53 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - skipping GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC64 TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - building GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 09:53:53 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC64 >>> Kernel build for GENERIC64 started on Fri Jun 1 09:53:53 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/slb.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch64.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc64/src/sys/GENERIC64. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-06-01 09:58:43 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-01 09:58:43 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 09:58:43 - 8887.61 user 1240.43 system 12235.84 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 10:12:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E74C1065676 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (mx1.sbone.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:3ffc::401:25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522008FC1E for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:12:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E13525D3887; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26007BE82F0; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:12:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6pLzw-uEiz5q; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from orange-en1.sbone.de (orange-en1.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31:cabc:c8ff:fecf:e8e3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06923BE82EF; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" In-Reply-To: <21cacc98d48babdb91db692d86ab4775@chef-ingenieur.de> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:11:58 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <21cacc98d48babdb91db692d86ab4775@chef-ingenieur.de> To: Thomas Krause X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Config ipv4 and ipv6 aliases X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:12:04 -0000 On 1. Jun 2012, at 09:29 , Thomas Krause wrote: > Hi, >=20 > (I'm using FreeBSD 9.0-REL). >=20 > ifconfig_em0_ipv6_alias0 doesn't work. I've to use > ifconfig_em0_alias0 for both ipv4 and ipv6. > This is not consequent. It is actually a lot more consistent now that way than it was ever = before. The reason the "primary" entries are still different is that "DHCP" for = IPv4 etc is special magic as is some automatic handling depending on = ifconfig_IF_ipv6 is there or not to make your life easier. At least, as you can guess, I it this way a lot better. The rc.conf man = pages has a couple of rough edges still but... > My working config > looks like this: >=20 > ifconfig_em0=3D"inet 192.168.100.50/28" > ifconfig_em0_ipv6=3D"inet6 2a00:abcd:0:405::2/64" >=20 > ifconfig_em0_alias0=3D"inet 192.168.100.51/32" > ifconfig_em0_alias1=3D"inet6 2a00:abcd:0:405::3/64" >=20 > defaultrouter=3D"192.168.100.49" > ipv6_defaultrouter=3D"2a00:abcd:0:405::1" >=20 > Please correct me, if there is a better solution. --=20 Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! It does not matter how good you are. It matters what good you do! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 10:43:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB63D1065672 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:43:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from katinka@lavabit.com) Received: from karen.lavabit.com (karen.lavabit.com [72.249.41.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9248FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from e.earth.lavabit.com (e.earth.lavabit.com [192.168.111.14]) by karen.lavabit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E57511B96A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:19:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from firlefanz.org (p57963A63.dip.t-dialin.net [87.150.58.99]) by lavabit.com with ESMTP id B02MSNV4RVRR for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 05:19:30 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lavabit; d=lavabit.com; b=VboIzvAhQCRW2TofiNplD0LBwEC+8PhZ7eZWxUKM2/AAtIcRd7qIIASelkR3UtTz9hZxYHGbWewiN9EeoWIVg3IqDOolgVciydrYOLqgjg3w4ys6fW6RfZJnIFr4N115Y3fDbtq3gE9237G1d4mXZfyLQ97dhIaWAXSO4NHM8wE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; Message-ID: <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:19:18 +0200 From: Katinka User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120531 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> <4FC88827.8020003@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4FC88827.8020003@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:43:27 -0000 There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 11:01:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D039106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com) Received: from fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com [69.55.229.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C56E8FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.15.220] (unknown [118.175.84.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C486B9F22; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 07:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FC8A123.9060307@ateamsystems.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:01:55 +0700 From: Adam Strohl Organization: A-Team Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Katinka References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> <4FC88827.8020003@FreeBSD.org> <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:01:58 -0000 On 6/1/2012 17:19, Katinka wrote: > There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. > > For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. Lots of the comments remind me about Linux vs. Windows in the late 90s, and taken with a grain of salt are fairly amusing because of how ignorant a lot of them are. I found this particularly fitting comment at the very end: "If you'd ask me for the biggest difference between Linux and BSD users: We know all about Linux - They know nothing about BSD. " Which is sad really, their lives could be so much easier if only they knew how much better it could be ;D (My opinion of course, I'm sure lots of people think Windows Server administration is easier than any UNIX -- just not on this list). To each their own, and arguing about it is counter-productive. I do think that forum post underscores the need for advocacy though -- we need to get the message out as to why FreeBSD is better than any OS in a lot of applications (which is different than arguing it out on Linux forums). We need them to try it out and expose them to the things that make it great so they see it first hand. Because it is clear most of these posters are very ignorant about FreeBSD -- that's really "our" collective fault. Trolls and fanbois aside there is probably a huge number of Linux admins out there who just use it "because that is what they use" .. in the same way that Windows admins in the 90s hadn't really heard of Linux and feared it because they didn't understand it. My 2 cents + attempt at keeping this thread constructive .... I think I'm going to go sign up for the FreeBSD-advocacy list now ... From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 11:03:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6841A106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leschnik@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gh0-f172.google.com (mail-gh0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200978FC1A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so1746844ghb.17 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 04:03:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qVTF/BP7+jFF+aXsJDFoqvdsbxPYKOTzXgUpeJJL01A=; b=yuvai9bqKqbpoOWbIckhz0tA4fpzJ558die2tRzypZyZ3dSE5IIgOKDW36QtnRTjP4 A4fqUZbyt0Ccn88CQwJSZNjeeTLDVj5SFh0RCEIlWTAdUtyut9dMO0oqFBVRhIdQs/RF 66Xg05LzhBywJvJTyeU28ba4wEMirMPkGTkj79EpVn/aH0fqEtzGvl15XKnJbgDttnAm qrY15qQEvzEanPHo5wtkjd37TCPJXLsdvrMTGtX9OXkW3IL+0NUi1DMFWvZxQjpf5v35 PzZ0aKhTBxkJe8gEUGg1JYkKi67xr4/Dj2CMpSs/rn2V+Hz7rP4I6GBOdWOSUcBolYwP 0YEA== Received: by 10.236.136.8 with SMTP id v8mr2198546yhi.101.1338548610465; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 04:03:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.92.17 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 04:03:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> <4FC88827.8020003@FreeBSD.org> <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> From: Jason Leschnik Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:03:10 +1000 Message-ID: To: Katinka Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:03:59 -0000 I think this iterates my point on the Forums.. To gain critical mass FreeBSD needs to start showing some benchmarks and numbers to back up the advocacy claims. I think this will also give the dev team technical direction to get back into grind of tweaking for performance and not just features. I may be totally incorrect with my above ideas, but it's what i would like to see from FreeBSD *again*... This is the reason in the first place most people used FreeBSD, stability/scalability/performance are the hallmarks of FreeBSD. If we have these hard hitting numbers released frequently it gives the dev team a good indication of how changes reflect on performance. I would be willing to help with benchmarking. Thanks. On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Katinka wrote: > There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. > > For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Regards, Jason Leschnik. [m] 0432 35 4224 [w@] jason dot leschnik ansto dot gov dot au [U@]=A0jml974@uow.edu.au From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 11:09:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9D81065675 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com) Received: from fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com [69.55.229.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9E38FC12 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.15.220] (unknown [118.175.84.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fss.sandiego.ateamservers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0A8EB9F22; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 07:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FC8A303.1040906@ateamsystems.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:09:55 +0700 From: Adam Strohl Organization: A-Team Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Leschnik References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> <4FC88827.8020003@FreeBSD.org> <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Katinka , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:09:53 -0000 On 6/1/2012 18:03, Jason Leschnik wrote: > I may be totally incorrect with my above ideas, but it's what i would > like to see from FreeBSD *again*... This is the reason in the first > place most people used FreeBSD, stability/scalability/performance are > the hallmarks of FreeBSD. If we have these hard hitting numbers > released frequently it gives the dev team a good indication of how > changes reflect on performance. This is a good point and the kind of stuff that would make a, for=20 example, great Slashdot post once finished. Of course there would be arguments but I think it would be good=20 exposure. It certainly would be nice to have a place to point to these=20 things vs. just saying "its more better and stabler", too. And if its=20 not at least its acknowledged so it can be fixed. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 11:39:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBBF106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303EC8FC12 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:39:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q51BdeKB007600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:39:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC8A9FC.7030704@digsys.bg> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:39:40 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> <4FC88827.8020003@FreeBSD.org> <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> In-Reply-To: <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:39:50 -0000 On 01.06.12 13:19, Katinka wrote: > There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. > > For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. > Do we really care? The number of really bright people, or even people who are able to reasonably comprehend and understand things is very, very small and more or less constant over the years. The "rest" will always be more and there is really no point to convince them opf anything. Evangelizing those ignorant people to FreeBSD is just creating new (FreeBSD) religion, which is not what the bright minds are concerned. Attract the masses and you will definitely lose the leaders. Instead, lead by example. Showcase. Demonstrate how superior FreeBSD is because the people who keep it going are not interested to be the Jack of All Trades (and master of none). Showcase implementations that are hard to do with any other OS. Don't even complete on benchmarks. This is one thing I learned years ago working closely with Cisco: your competitor could always outspec you or win the benchmark, with system specifically designed for the task. Or tuned to the task. Just like with Linux. This is not to say we should ignore opportunities to improve FreeBSD. Just don't slip for the popularity vote and stay within the framework and principles (even when you are seemingly outpaced) that made FreeBSD so successful. Albert Einstein once said: "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." Daniel PS: This became longer than originally envisioned. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 11:48:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD161106566C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (mail.digital-infotech.net [41.211.25.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3D38FC1C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66462E4026 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:48:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digital-infotech.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01573-02 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:48:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEFA2E4024 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:48:09 +0000 (GMT) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 mail.digital-infotech.net 5FEFA2E4024 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digital-infotech.net; s=digital; t=1338551289; bh=27uTy26CJs6DGaBLlk6nWacGLR/7K87deS619hCh9Jc=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To; b=hY5VNph5mZ1uLNpJ8RBPay3N5xFMFCFrZLg0MUaFpGwKHqJfGaWB9GxGBnjlRNBpl EgvuEOjllYyLd9EM/H62P99fNe9GRBnivPHTP2LdxZSYyM8yFhSen9rlpECurCR859 gnIc1HEUbf7VWzedOQHnJUfZ8OmYUncrFkxApIYo= Received: from 41.211.28.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) by mail.digital-infotech.net with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:48:09 -0000 Message-ID: <4e682cd2c553ee6bc057a0d3c38ebb82.squirrel@mail.digital-infotech.net> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:48:09 -0000 From: "Shiv. NK" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Gnome consume 100% cpu FreeBSD_9.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:48:18 -0000 Dear Community Members, It is FreeBSD 9.0 release, system was functioning normal for many months now. Today I enabled Xserver in “/etc/rc.conf” gdm_enable="YES" gnome_enable="YES After 5 minutes of booting some process start killing the cpu, than eventually with in 7 minutes, processor get stack to 99.9% The load average was terribly big that was 57,34,23. Whereas it never hist above 1.x I tried to look for the process by typing “htop” output is filled by the following command. 2239 mark 122 0 192M 15916 0 S 0.0 0.8 0:00.19 /usr/local/bin/gpk-update-icon 2238 mark 126 0 192M 15824 0 S 0.0 0.8 0:00.25 /usr/local/bin/gpk-update-icon 2237 mark 122 0 192M 15864 0 S 0.0 0.8 0:00.21 /usr/local/bin/gpk-update-icon 2236 mark 127 0 192M 15848 0 S 0.0 0.8 0:00.21 /usr/local/bin/gpk-update-icon It seems to related gnome but I am unable to understand what is that. I need help Thanks / Regards From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 12:03:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9B41065673 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA168FC12 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so3611687obc.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 05:03:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wkbZHZEtHmKumzy2Yq44SYdZQNyJROpoxVH/n7iv59E=; b=q2IrlHGFkfG2vy4DEXW/ry02N3EkQgszILufoU974prvGXmaVZbecD/vB2aJyxDy0g 0dtTJU2b+svmH2b3wHm5G+ImA+iZPsCI93tcO9AO6nGxjYTdta7zy4uEYjb9wuXf4OA0 m0lTnUJ58CcJSM7VYClhCglf6GV8uZrI88iEU/JwOc7UYCixE8/VAw1UxOBo33e65LSf 3UK2b6GWwwXh+DQlnB6nP06W2CVbj1oEtT2g6qtnNwYEC1sFjTHfQ7QqaOZ47rlrwXHy rZFLZ8iaaCjUEM2ngaFvj0mD3IHznWY8rLUOosv65DnJ3lqeyb7pk6pGfiI6B0RxCqnF fjwA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.152.73 with SMTP id uw9mr2482010obb.0.1338552206304; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 05:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.53.1 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:03:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: freebsd-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:03:27 -0000 Dear All , There is a thread "Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?" I think another thread with the specified subject '"Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?" may be useful : If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please list those areas with most important first to least important last ? These points may be used to remedy difficulty points over time with respect to importance levels suggested by the users . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 12:11:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7830106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Holger.Kipp@alogis.com) Received: from alogis.com (firewall.solit-ag.de [212.184.102.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDA18FC08 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from msx3.exchange.alogis.com (msx3exchange.alogis.com [10.1.1.6] (may be forged)) by alogis.com (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q51CB2nd025821; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:11:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Holger.Kipp@alogis.com) Received: from MSX3.exchange.alogis.com ([fe80::c8ed:428a:a157:b61]) by msx3.exchange.alogis.com ([fe80::c8ed:428a:a157:b61%13]) with mapi id 14.01.0255.000; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:10:56 +0200 From: Holger Kipp To: "" Thread-Topic: Gnome consume 100% cpu FreeBSD_9.0 Thread-Index: AQHNP+y/S4bXsblxnUGfr3H9EAQlPJblPcmA Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:10:55 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4e682cd2c553ee6bc057a0d3c38ebb82.squirrel@mail.digital-infotech.net> In-Reply-To: <4e682cd2c553ee6bc057a0d3c38ebb82.squirrel@mail.digital-infotech.net> Accept-Language: en-GB, de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" Subject: Re: Gnome consume 100% cpu FreeBSD_9.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:11:15 -0000 Hi, Am 01.06.2012 um 13:48 schrieb Shiv. NK: > > Dear Community Members, > > It is FreeBSD 9.0 release, system was functioning normal for many months > now. Today I enabled Xserver in "/etc/rc.conf" > > gdm_enable=3D"YES" > gnome_enable=3D"YES > > After 5 minutes of booting some process start killing the cpu, than > eventually with in 7 minutes, processor get stack to 99.9% > > The load average was terribly big that was 57,34,23. Whereas it never his= t > above 1.x > > I tried to look for the process by typing "htop" output is filled by the > following command. > > 2239 mark 122 0 192M 15916 0 S 0.0 0.8 0:00.19 > /usr/local/bin/gpk-update-icon According to http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D21880 the reason is some PackageKit Update Applet which is running wild spawning = processes. So either of the following might work (all untested): - 'System->Preferences->Personal->Sessions and then Untick "PackageKit Upda= te Applet"' - "In my case, after installing gnome-lite it is functioning properly. I al= so installed xorg from ports." - Remove packagekit completely cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/packagekit make deinstall Hope this helps. Best regards, Holger -- Holger Kipp Diplom-Mathematiker Senior Consultant Tel. : +49 30 436 58 114 Fax. : +49 30 436 58 214 Mobil: +49 178 36 58 114 Email: holger.kipp@alogis.com alogis AG Alt-Moabit 90b D-10559 Berlin web : http://www.alogis.com ---------------------------------------------------------- alogis AG Sitz/Registergericht: Berlin/AG Charlottenburg, HRB 71484 Vorstand: Arne Friedrichs, Joern Samuelson Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Reinhard Mielke From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 12:15:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A221065673 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:15:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@opsec.eu) Received: from home.opsec.eu (home.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540CB8FC12 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pi by home.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SaQln-0007gq-2f for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:15:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:15:55 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: freebsd-stable Message-ID: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:15:55 -0000 Hi! > I think another thread with the specified subject '"Why Are You NOT Using > FreeBSD ?" may be useful : - Exchange (MAPI) and its groupware functionality I'm eager to test any replacement that will pop up in the ports 8-) - Windows Terminalserver functionality - Telephony (ISDN to SIP gateways, Asterisk etc) -- I know, Hans Petter Selasky is doing wonderful work in that area, I had no time to dive into this. -- pi@opsec.eu +49 171 3101372 8 years to go ! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 12:30:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F4D106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas@gibfest.dk) Received: from mail.tyknet.dk (mail.tyknet.dk [IPv6:2a01:4f8:141:52a3:186::]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5338FC14 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.20.10.55] (out60.hq.siminn.dk [195.184.109.60]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.tyknet.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60CBDB75A1 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:30:11 +0200 (CEST) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.4.1 mail.tyknet.dk 60CBDB75A1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gibfest.dk; s=default; t=1338553812; bh=NTuAlH8jQFuYQgZPjOz4aOS0mpjgEeupXjDqbr4xheM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=glHK59+DUe5RgagNgZmYa5bR8rYeOar4svgrlpFOr0sgaA5c3panm2IiJIbVY/KOL l5RL3hl/FrR+FDOR2ITlZ0jmW9Z/tmMlUfWelZ5BATAw3JVoYtiQHwJmkiEBuUrbtF TZNMaQl8awUsjEJB6b1qYHqVx6MCPEUr5v48yvjQ= Message-ID: <4FC8B5D1.40607@gibfest.dk> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:30:09 +0200 From: Thomas Steen Rasmussen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC779C0.7020801@ohlste.in> <4FC77EAD.1090900@my.gd> <4FC78A94.8070008@ohlste.in> <4FC79136.6000205@my.gd> <4FC7B4CC.1070507@FreeBSD.org> <4FC87A60.3020102@my.gd> <4FC88827.8020003@FreeBSD.org> <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> <4FC8A9FC.7030704@digsys.bg> In-Reply-To: <4FC8A9FC.7030704@digsys.bg> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:30:14 -0000 On 01-06-2012 13:39, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > Instead, lead by example. Showcase. Demonstrate how superior FreeBSD > is because the people who keep it going are not interested to be the > Jack of All Trades (and master of none). Showcase implementations that > are hard to do with any other OS. This. When we (the Danish BSD usergroup BSD-DK) go to opensource conferences we always have running FreeBSD systems in our booth doing live demos of what FreeBSD can do. This is fun for us and very popular with visitors. - 2010 was pf-pfsync-carp failover firewalls. People get impressed when you pull the plug on one node and stuff keeps running. - 2011 was a HAST/ZFS failover system with a virtualbox VM running on the shared storage. Again, pulling the plug on one node and showing that the VM keeps running has a big 'wow-factor'. - 2012 was the 'year of the jail' for us. We demonstrated jail management with ezjail, recursive jails, ressource control with rctl and lots more. All these have been major successes in the sense that people are impressed, grab a cd and go home to try it out. We often hear that people didn't know that FreeBSD was capable of this and that. I firmly believe that live demonstrations of unique features is the best way to get more (of the right kind of) people to run FreeBSD. Best regards, Thomas Steen Rasmussen Chairman, BSD-DK From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 12:32:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E20A1065670 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:32:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (mail.digital-infotech.net [41.211.25.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED13B8FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88F22E4002; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:32:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.digital-infotech.net [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01562-01; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:32:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.digital-infotech.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digital-infotech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD4F2E4000; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:32:18 +0000 (GMT) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.0 mail.digital-infotech.net 7CD4F2E4000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=digital-infotech.net; s=digital; t=1338553938; bh=Qs/YsjaZAYA8HZNgsgth2h6O4oEYL8KAoKzRZCAW9p8=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:Reply-To; b=fYL/+wveuv+TrQdupdoI11JQO4Jby8CBwc/jcl/gewqBZE+Xw//1LccgkgiLpVmzJ JL5riRA/GWEPuICsgCmarmbMAqBfjLfPbrG1hBZg5QDSze7qAMc3BjBXyKLSpzVV9k XsYmST0enprpfNiGohrPXmyqYgrlTcmjQp9w2mJI= Received: from 41.211.28.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user prabhpal@digital-infotech.net) by mail.digital-infotech.net with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4e682cd2c553ee6bc057a0d3c38ebb82.squirrel@mail.digital-infotech.net> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:32:18 -0000 From: "Shiv. NK" To: "Holger Kipp" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gnome consume 100% cpu FreeBSD_9.0 - Resolved !!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: prabhpal@digital-infotech.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:32:30 -0000 > Hi, > > Am 01.06.2012 um 13:48 schrieb Shiv. NK: > >> >> Dear Community Members, >> >> It is FreeBSD 9.0 release, system was functioning normal for many months >> now. Today I enabled Xserver in "/etc/rc.conf" >> >> gdm_enable="YES" >> gnome_enable="YES >> >> After 5 minutes of booting some process start killing the cpu, than >> eventually with in 7 minutes, processor get stack to 99.9% >> >> The load average was terribly big that was 57,34,23. Whereas it never >> hist >> above 1.x >> >> I tried to look for the process by typing "htop" output is filled by the >> following command. >> >> 2239 mark 122 0 192M 15916 0 S 0.0 0.8 0:00.19 >> /usr/local/bin/gpk-update-icon > > According to > > http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=21880 > > the reason is some PackageKit Update Applet which is running wild spawning > processes. > > So either of the following might work (all untested): > > - 'System->Preferences->Personal->Sessions and then Untick "PackageKit > Update Applet"' > > - "In my case, after installing gnome-lite it is functioning properly. I > also installed xorg from ports." > > - Remove packagekit completely > cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/packagekit > make deinstall > > Hope this helps. > > Best regards, > Holger Dear Holger. K, This is brilliant !!! you did hit the nail, direct in to the head. Following fixed the problem: cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/packagekit make deinstall Weldone, Thanks From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 12:33:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05DE1065672 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:33:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464488FC17 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q51CX2Pw007874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:33:04 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:33:01 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> In-Reply-To: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:33:07 -0000 On 01.06.12 15:15, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > - Telephony (ISDN to SIP gateways, Asterisk etc) -- I know, Hans > Petter Selasky is doing wonderful work in that area, I had no time to > dive into this. Asterisk (tested up to v 10) works wonderfully on FreeBSD. Mine even runs in jail. The few gateways to PSTN are external and spread over distance anyway. There are less and less PSTN physical interconnects anyway. About any sane telco will provide SIP trunks over TCP/IP so there is not much motivation for development in that area. Such connectivity was big thing say 10 years ago.. There is hardly anything FreeBSD cannot do. I tend to avoid proprietary technologies like the plague (this includes about anything from Microsoft). For example if one wants an e-mail server, that is better served in the long run by IMAP+MTA than any form of Exchange, because you are not tied to one single platform and that vendor's lunacy. Otherwise FreeBSD runs just fine as server for about any other OS client, provided those clients use standard Internet protocols. Things I don't particularly do is use FreeBSD for mobile. I find OS X way better choice there. When you need to go mobile, you usually need the highest performing hardware (that is, lower power consumption, less heat etc) and those things usually are pretty much proprietary for quite long time. With OS X you get nice UNIX client.. for your FreeBSD servers, that is. I also find it increasingly tempting to use tablets for such remote client tasks :) Another thing I don't use FreeBSD for is CAD. Unfortunately, there is no AutoCAD for anything but Windows or OS X. It will sure be interesting to learn what people avoid to use FreeBSD for. Best Regards, Daniel Kalchev From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 12:37:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFFD1065670 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:37:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=1499b4e3e3=killing@multiplay.co.uk) Received: from mail1.multiplay.co.uk (mail1.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFA48FC1E for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:37:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Processed: mail1.multiplay.co.uk, Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:37:13 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on mail1.multiplay.co.uk X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=6.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST shortcircuit=ham autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 Received: from r2d2 ([188.220.16.49]) by mail1.multiplay.co.uk (mail1.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.23]) (MDaemon PRO v10.0.4) with ESMTP id md50020049457.msg for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:37:12 +0100 X-MDRemoteIP: 188.220.16.49 X-Return-Path: prvs=1499b4e3e3=killing@multiplay.co.uk X-Envelope-From: killing@multiplay.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <9EFC1AEDDA9548DB9B65B4D1D851E41C@multiplay.co.uk> From: "Steven Hartland" To: "Mehmet Erol Sanliturk" , "freebsd-stable" References: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:36:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:37:36 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mehmet Erol Sanliturk" > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? Although we would like to we cant use FreeBSD to run some Linux based services due to the lack support for mremap syscall :( Regards Steve ================================================ This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. 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From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 12:38:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F561065672 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from flo@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D128FC19; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bender.solomo.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q51CcfwU076536; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:38:42 GMT (envelope-from flo@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <4FC8B7D1.9030600@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:38:41 +0200 From: Florian Smeets User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120601 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Jaeger References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> In-Reply-To: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:38:43 -0000 On 06/01/2012 14:15, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > >> I think another thread with the specified subject '"Why Are You NOT Using >> FreeBSD ?" may be useful : > > - Telephony (ISDN to SIP gateways, Asterisk etc) -- I know, > Hans Petter Selasky is doing wonderful work in that area, I had > no time to dive into this. I can tell you it works fine :) Florian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 12:39:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E533C1065691 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@pingle.org) Received: from chloe.pingle.org (unknown [IPv6:2605:8000:d:1:40::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54938FC1A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chloe.pingle.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by chloe.pingle.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452FB4508B; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:39:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pingle.org Received: from chloe.pingle.org ([127.0.0.1]) by chloe.pingle.org (chloe.pingle.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y4---4ei6qGl; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:e1c:dead:beef:c0de:cafe] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f11:e1c:dead:beef:c0de:cafe]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jim) by chloe.pingle.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F2AA45029; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FC8B7EA.2080303@pingle.org> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:39:06 -0400 From: Jim Pingle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damien Fleuriot References: <4FC77555.1010202@my.gd> <0376B650-CC77-44E6-9BAE-C6DDB3270D05@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <0376B650-CC77-44E6-9BAE-C6DDB3270D05@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: IPv6 and CARP crashes boxes X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:39:17 -0000 On 5/31/2012 5:31 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 31 May 2012, at 22:31, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> On 31 May 2012 06:42, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> Hey list, >>> >>> The thread about "Why Are You Using FreeBSD", listing the pros and cons >>> of FBSD, has brought back a topic to mind. >>> >>> Recently (read, < 3 months ago) I was experimenting with IPv6 and CARP >>> on 8.x boxes and that crashed them both. >>> >>> I posted a thread on -net and, sadly, never got a single reply. >> >> Did you file a PR? Chances are bz (IPv6 maintainer) has just been very busy. :-) >> > > I was actually trying to get some feedback on -net and see if anyone had encountered the problem before filling a PR. > > I guess I'll reproduce the problem, fill a PR, then post here so we can discuss it and make things move forward. We (pfSense) patch things here and there, especially when it comes to CARP, but we haven't seen any crashes with CARP+IPv6 on pfSense 2.1-DEVELOPMENT (now BETA0) since we moved to a base OS of FreeBSD 8.3-RELEASE. It was fairly trivial to crash/hang 8.1 with v6 in general even without CARP. There are several CARP+IPv6 clusters running pfSense 2.1 in the wild handling production traffic like champs.[1] You might have a look at this IPv6 status sheet we try to keep updated: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AojFUXcbH0ROdHlKV2F5SENULWk2NTVvQTBtQ2M0dEE Our patches might also be of interest: https://github.com/bsdperimeter/pfsense-tools/blob/master/builder_scripts/patches.RELENG_8_3 https://github.com/bsdperimeter/pfsense-tools/tree/master/patches/RELENG_8_3 Jim [1] With a static setup, some work is still happening to make CARP RA work for automatic configuration. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 13:18:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF49106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from regnauld@x0.dk) Received: from moof.catpipe.net (moof.catpipe.net [194.28.252.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1308FC15 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (moof.catpipe.net [194.28.252.64]) by localhost.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABD84CEE58; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:12:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from moof.catpipe.net ([194.28.252.64]) by localhost (moof.catpipe.net [194.28.252.64]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX7-9NVXCy80; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:12:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from macbook.bluepipe.net (macbook.bluepipe.net [195.249.214.179]) (Authenticated sender: relayuser) by moof.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B85D44CEE56; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:12:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by macbook.bluepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F879A63386; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:12:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:12:36 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Daniel Kalchev Message-ID: <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> X-Operating-System: Darwin 11.4.0 x86_64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:18:07 -0000 Daniel Kalchev (daniel) writes: > > It will sure be interesting to learn what people avoid to use FreeBSD for. * full virtualization I am using VirtualBox in production with HAST + ZVOLs, but we need something like DRBD's dual master mode to be able to do a teleport of the instance like Ganeti does (http://code.google.com/p/ganeti/) with Linux Getting Xen dom0 and/or KVM would be a major boost as a virtualization platform, in particular with ZFS. * Gluster For very large FSes, nothing beats it, especially now that 3.3 has been released. Mind you, I've been using FreeBSD for about 19 years, so I'm not about to change, but the two items above would go a long way to help FreeBSD grow in the data center space again (what the kids call the cloud :) Cheers, Phil From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 13:42:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9AA106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpaasial@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A058FC12 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so1592276vbm.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 06:42:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=F112ydXwpXjgb5xgtR5FfKhsO4vuhl8EdraclveSMHY=; b=jFff8jPTICmC5bCl6XEnDNYRDWA9Y872peeE0ua2PI3mgdcBJPRld6mORWQ4oaUu/s aSdzYG0paoTWmF/Hld4kztVwlOKyxmK9nkAgIPQCwoZpW2ORAZY74fliXlRskHiox139 7AukSYDdPGPUxoEAXgm/oUE1m4D4SN10dYhUZBukwyle6LiICU3P+IlCI8klho6BX56F r0H/VXHtgKWfEl4t1ZcM3nlNFq+k59H1/LPJQAeha0E88I8JkpHlesyQ4SeXWIFiGQK0 6qozWJ1+YfnLvWIP4Cb1OaD44HdVe0F8PWTCTRajSC0nvb1jFIijnAW9MMV6zLGVJOxO PT+g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.20.5 with SMTP id j5mr2465661vde.81.1338558165447; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 06:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.37.136 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 06:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:42:45 +0300 Message-ID: From: Kimmo Paasiala To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Installworld and /usr/include/*.h modification times X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:42:46 -0000 Hello list, Why are /usr/include files installed with "install -C" during "make installworld" when almost everything else is installed without the -C flag? This makes it harder to track which files were actually installed during the last "make installworld". One can easily find obsolete files (that are not covered with make delete-old(-libs)) with "find -x / -type f -mtime +suitable_time" but this doesn't work for /usr/include files because the modification times are not bumped on "make installworld". 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[96.22.221.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm3255426vde.16.2012.06.01.07.20.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC8CFB1.6060605@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:20:33 -0400 From: animelovin@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Regnauld , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> In-Reply-To: <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: animelovin@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:20:31 -0000 On 06/01/2012 09:12 AM, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Daniel Kalchev (daniel) writes: >> >> It will sure be interesting to learn what people avoid to use FreeBSD for. > > * full virtualization > > I am using VirtualBox in production with HAST + ZVOLs, but we need > something like DRBD's dual master mode to be able to do a teleport of the > instance like Ganeti does (http://code.google.com/p/ganeti/) with Linux > > Getting Xen dom0 and/or KVM would be a major boost as a virtualization > platform, in particular with ZFS. > > * Gluster > > For very large FSes, nothing beats it, especially now that 3.3 has been > released. > > Mind you, I've been using FreeBSD for about 19 years, so I'm not about > to change, but the two items above would go a long way to help FreeBSD > grow in the data center space again (what the kids call the cloud :) > > Cheers, > Phil Thanks for the info and the interesting thread. Thinking about it now I'm not sure I would continue using FreeBSD knowing it become a solution for advanced TCP/IP node routing and clustering over the "clouds". I guess this depends whatever is meant theses days with the so called technical vocabulary to hidden concepts too abstract for the common mortal, thus pretending its "state-of-the-art", or sometimes an abstraction of a logical software unit using advanced technologies harboring eugenic like dehumanization and even potentially harmful to FreeBSD users as for example the intrisic inclusion of IEEE 80211 OFDM modulation scheme within the wireless code base. However I still love FreeBSD and use it along with Linux for playing games and working, but definitely not for HAST based storage, a good example of a technology driven by political hierarchies and more or less by the FreeBSD community, naively adopting technologies without understanding the science and implications beneath such things... Its just common sense or intuition I guess.. :) Kind regards, Etienne From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 15:10:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469B9106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:10:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57898FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q51F9ukX050544; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:10:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q51F9uMP050543; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:09:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:09:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <201206011509.q51F9uMP050543@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.9.6-20101126 ("Burnside") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.9 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:10:11 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:10:14 -0000 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? ISDN. This is popular in Germany, but I don't know about the rest of the world. We have a machine that has an ISDN card (ISA). Currently it's still running FreeBSD 6-stable because that's the last version with full ISDN support. Since 6.x went EOL, it costed me quite some time to keep it up to date with regard to security fixes. And now, since a few days, the Makefiles of the ports collection started to become incompatible with FreeBSD 6 (make(1) throws syntax errors) so I can't update BIND port anymore, for example. Of course I could build it manually, but this is costing more and more time, so finally I will have to think of a different solution, which probably means something other than FreeBSD. Other than that, well, there are the typical programs that are only available for Windows. For example the software for configuring my Logitech "Harmony" remote control. I'm using my wife's laptop (Windows) for that. But of course I'm not blaming FreeBSD for that, because it's not something that FreeBSD can fix, it's rather a vendor problem (in the aforementioned case: Logitech's problem). Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. 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From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 15:18:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7897E106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:18:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ukaszg@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F978FC0C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so2221916yen.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:18:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VoUszZVE7RWdVDPPA7YUduWtnwJ5mgs1VA59bJrfokI=; b=gNO51j8d4jg8Q0gjqKgNQbKIfqkCq+JNd9+qb77nqYgi8SQJvGaMVD2gnNrxqEfoCy hak1xeL+jN6XbFGRyW0x3oQPfE3EM3XXDpRcCuSI/qTPXLGSa7k8r0/BIEYZ0Y52k1nz NSjTnxJU7f3A4z9onPZ6G+4FBpcR/+adaXEYogRV7NzcGU+E4ZgId2PIDL/0XyYKuDRJ +gzjTeiYslaxGOB11jfZepedPcId/6IfG4uk87Od4/FZ0bntWAyaA+n7vz7U3Wu7mMLh D83ETVrhoRiEeBuoytKRsCvEqcmv3Q3TfG5Kly24ekKdSNNJeF4YjaX8P8erx6X+Csqg MFhA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.6.225 with SMTP id e1mr3003928oea.71.1338563889492; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.117.37 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:18:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC8CFB1.6060605@gmail.com> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <4FC8CFB1.6060605@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:18:09 +0200 Message-ID: From: uki To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:18:10 -0000 Hi, The only reason I'm not using FreeBSD for everything (games) is because it does not support (yet) intel/ati graphic drivers. ;) Cheers, =C5=81ukasz Gruner From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 15:30:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B37F106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remailer@dizum.com) Received: from smtp.zedz.net (outpost.zedz.net [194.109.206.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54568FC17 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.zedz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143D31D4041 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.zedz.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c4o91wsV3sYf for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:20:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by smtp.zedz.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 9E7BB1AA5C5; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:20:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Nomen Nescio Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:20:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:30:08 -0000 > Dear All , > > There is a thread > > "Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?" > > > I think another thread with the specified subject '"Why Are You NOT Using > FreeBSD ?" may be useful : > > > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? 1. The X-org changeover a few years ago screwed up a FreeBSD installation I had been using so badly I never trusted FreeBSD's rolling update ports system again. That should have been a major FreeBSD release, but instead it was done just in the ports with no version bump and no choice and no notice unless you read the fine print. 2. Broken ports galore. Much of the stuff I wanted broke on AMD64 after downloading tarballs for hours. Not good. Contacted package maintainer and received answer: yeah, I know it doesn't work on AMD64. I still feel i386 is the only safe FreeBSD platform and I have only one or two 32 bit boxes left so FreeBSD doesn't really give me a warm fuzzy anymore. But it is still ahead of NetBSD which got more and more unstable with every new major version to the point I can't trust it. FreeBSD never crashed or did anything bad for me except during the X-org episode. 3. gcc. I realize FreeBSD is moving to clang and that it can even be built with clang. When clang is the default build, I will probably try it again. Due to nearsighted/blind Linux developers, every OS besides Linux is going to lag because of autotools and gcc crapola. It often makes compiling apps a pain in the ass on FreeBSD when a port doesn't exist. I realize this is not FreeBSD's fault and it is still an inhibitor to all the BSD for me. 4. I transitioned to mostly headless operation. FreeBSD is probably the best overall desktop there is but I found other server OS better, specifically Solaris. For my needs, YMMV. I use a Linux box for a desktop and I have servers with different archs running headless with Solaris or OpenBSD and I am looking at Dragonfly again in the near future, because pkgsrc is much better than ports. Maybe FreeBSD should consider migrating to pkgsrc? 5. ZFS support on Solaris is current, on anything else, despite much appreciated efforts, it is just not there. FreeBSD has the best ZFS support outside of Solaris, but it's not enough right now and I don't think it will ever catch up until Oracle releases the source. Not holding my breath on that. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 15:36:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D331065674; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:36:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DED18FC1A; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so3910967obc.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:36:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=3wqqoU3GgKstwB/FwuSQRbzeJrRLmdTGMIaDT3KwlQU=; b=s9E5Fu8L3k+cF1s4wZzJDMtEfBmoFDjBXPbfMbecF1xPVU6dJ74M3S7MgwidHCjjG0 RvQc5Aa6cpFvSc6rkHiZGd1WCo8I9+OBe2c3ON/K7MCVhRZTz22/1UTaKG8kFjx6UDXk Yw5CYFf6qYeTBOWiVe3pYrz17eCcWBYwi7V+/J8cWknRamtOcwcjoxY7R2sLvLdHC61z rmyFn4AeIAHZi0b8VH/uT8V9YcJTFCCiN44Fawoaq30Dp/l4qQGOAxx9xCNoK2DPIa7L yN0IFPipFym9nIfgP7vY9NYCRiAI0P7Ejqldw7BjchzuA7IDEryk5v/lsB+f+Gnd4XcP DO1w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.47.66 with SMTP id b2mr3191179obn.2.1338564983753; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.128.38 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:36:23 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f1dOh4WuQKyHBuXTi4B7iOIwLn8 Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Subject: Support for Intel 82599ES? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:36:24 -0000 Hi All, I did not see the Intel 82599ES chipset in the hardware release notes for 8.3 or 9.0. Are these controllers supported at this time? -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 15:43:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A396C1065701 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pldrouin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007048FC1D for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so2253804yen.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:43:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CDUUP+HHFJBxWSq1tKP163Jv91VxatCn4P/LWcm6X3E=; b=tavkFG7MKSkk+mU3t6bGkvolDC6xugK2wqgQPOx+iaXdKxwltHSMNAuka9skb4v2l7 H6WwKQxN3RfF+jglGSjw+ATcYmVIH4FUQ6r/++frx9J/d+D4E45IJg197pwqP+bYishl Kc1pzVTog1KE/BkU+qUKHhnNoYwauvRZuxLZGYxxt+6BEKj0tUGGA7fS1MjWSQpqEI2r ufWi8X2enDgIVdiKmMFibTO0hLvHSEIRT+P/t4c9jC21DsGv6fhMFem/zkKdDg5T2w5N C8CHAZmrEiC4wBE7TsvGxouawuJepyzVuosAjO4zNX3w6whHmRteHBKTczmLhmxSVNeT m0Og== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.182.231 with SMTP id eh7mr2074038igc.42.1338565402274; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: pldrouin@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.44.74 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 08:43:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <4FC8CFB1.6060605@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:43:22 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: T2QX68gEMbjBF_FrhLVubozOek4 Message-ID: From: Pierre-Luc Drouin To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:43:24 -0000 For me it is the lack of support for suspend/resume on laptops. I don't want to turn off my laptop when I am in the middle of doing something but need to put the laptop aside. I love using FreeBSD on servers, workstations and even a computer I have hooked to the TV at home for multimedia purpose, but not having suspend/resume working on my laptops is a major source of annoyance for me. So I have been trying various Linux distributions instead and I am currently using Gentoo, which is not that bad, although I find that system configuration and maintenance is always more painful with Linux than FreeBSD no matter the distribution I use... From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 15:59:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A3C1065679 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:59:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apeiron@isuckatdomains.net) Received: from isuckatdomains.net (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:4::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB318FC15 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isuckatdomains.members.linode.com (isuckatdomains.net [74.207.243.179]) by isuckatdomains.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7394745AAE for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:59:36 -0400 From: Chris Nehren To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120601155935.GF15877@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:59:37 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:03:26 -0700 , Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > Dear All , > > There is a thread > > "Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?" > > > I think another thread with the specified subject '"Why Are You NOT Using > FreeBSD ?" may be useful : > > > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? I use Mac desktops. X11 and I don't get along. I still live in a fullscreen green-on-black terminal, of course, and do all of my actual work in either the Mac's BSD userland or a FreeBSD machine over ssh. So, really, this is nothing to do with FreeBSD per se, and I will consider reevaluating FreeBSD as a desktop when something not X11 comes along (although I don't see that as incredibly likely). -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 16:49:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FE01065670; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:49:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfvogel@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE698FC0A; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhj8 with SMTP id hj8so671438wib.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:49:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=csSRIErGI7MYnObOu4UMiHGyHQV9hDqUb1tULmW1OoQ=; b=Nl2qPFM5Gd7rmsWdvikumMBAQYG9MZCplKBz1T2+puBGOC6bsl2FIiriDRXCDfK1uo XZ7jy+3Iuqq8x6lvQEiEXES/mQzYxaSnmbBfZq1lgoq9a0FUrian4Qoyb1CsCrK6IJ3M PIIukDwC2ROcvFQsiMZx3aocCdjo7eZSvIDuGemD84/DI7vXch4pgq2ByXczKh9CWDzf 5ot9g8AO3KSPFmHmktwig4Sgxnk0ODvBb4+eg2+WAMH14rtjhaSccMVYkUMudqslU7aQ du73wpczGMvZ1sLa9lpY8AVRqPgZETfEF3zonZMwsG27O30CYqyoc1nklxx+o2jmy82m xjuw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.54.206 with SMTP id i56mr2438501wec.28.1338569347262; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.105.232 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:49:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 09:49:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jack Vogel To: Rick Miller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Support for Intel 82599ES? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:49:09 -0000 Yes, it is supported in the ixgbe driver. Jack On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Rick Miller wrote: > Hi All, > > I did not see the Intel 82599ES chipset in the hardware release notes > for 8.3 or 9.0. Are these controllers supported at this time? > > -- > Take care > Rick Miller > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 17:06:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDC4106566C; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704BE8FC19; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so4031343obc.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:06:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YadCV+O/szUtvk5WvQ13lSeocwtEL4iYb2HeCZdSkas=; b=rX1UbIsIkvqCT9YfO+fvSPLS4qxJ1lMsih+kVnwgSH7SLNqUSSXByWUIvFidnqk978 J3Q7ztw0VqeXzyN+w4gQxdBLnmXtyneUg4I3F6bgHFGxnuHVDTydneGK8rcwrJFWwKLR fevnR11toinvWCu/yj6Dx7c4crRdSMkZO8/BZTsV0OiLRN3i8WPUHyrk+IEwXDfYeAqx vqtO8DFai3uUGPX0+/kZiff1K63GNrPlJkG/8Ty14oqkxCEzP2xdtIubqAWU8S2ZCuNw aTj2cdP/gR9x/tExzzfvuIMpy8FL9XLqH4qxD00ckZNA4vuoC5MwcEtI4mhLbGguS2AI 36lQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.136.4 with SMTP id pw4mr3432743obb.28.1338570417647; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.128.38 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:06:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:06:57 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: KHAhliXr2qtqb8zGX8Cc7q-A6FQ Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: Jack Vogel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Support for Intel 82599ES? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:06:58 -0000 Thanks, Jack! Also another support question for the lists....Is the Broadcom BCM5719 supported? I can find neither in the hardware notes for 8.3 nor 9.0. On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Jack Vogel wrote: > Yes, it is supported in the ixgbe driver. > > Jack > > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Rick Miller > wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I did not see the Intel 82599ES chipset in the hardware release notes >> for 8.3 or 9.0. =A0Are these controllers supported at this time? >> >> -- >> Take care >> Rick Miller >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " > > --=20 Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 17:25:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E141065675; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:25:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imb@protected-networks.net) Received: from sarah.protected-networks.net (sarah.protected-networks.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:4e1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04818FC0C; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from toshi.auburn.protected-networks.net (toshi.auburn.protected-networks.net [202.12.127.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Iain Butler", Issuer "RSA Class 2 Personal CA" (not verified)) (Authenticated sender: imb@protected-networks.net) by sarah.protected-networks.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C25A760E1; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:25:44 -0400 (EDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=200509; d=protected-networks.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gTWmSaEazTovKhNECBW5A8EcjNyGP9L1zXB2zmEyNjpov8Su8lJeeNWWGCof5pAcK gd5Z4id7dikHY4C3EZp1ICvZ1rab3TgNjvVi6VsCN2aVQPIDZaCCYTMohS2HQnX Message-ID: <4FC8FB16.2090907@protected-networks.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:25:42 -0400 From: Michael Butler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120506 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Miller References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5pre OpenPGP: id=0442D492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Support for Intel 82599ES? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:25:46 -0000 On 06/01/12 13:06, Rick Miller wrote: > Thanks, Jack! > > Also another support question for the lists....Is the Broadcom BCM5719 > supported? I can find neither in the hardware notes for 8.3 nor 9.0. man bge From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 17:45:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218AB106566B; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94BA8FC14; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so4082034obc.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YBUAMv+lrnwx2dwXTLk2wKiKYy2YQBAQBydC27NdFVg=; b=LGkuwHFXQ2C3AnuuFGRWHvPZZlnyHQM9Zq1UcFpfjTZt/BqmnJkL45Bb4WnjqgMgZZ vMHSErzCYaE5Jo1zIlhvEgF41dds92SWQTTmhdU4C9Yqyjs9oh83B4EQSRC2nNt1uEFe UlldeJD2xqVHlXb2lLD4tUrodLATTLDH9b2eT87NizL8Pzx20q5VCLZPpXhR0hcvx/ie g+yNMqqtKkuQzLG73W+1Y7ZIjjswjtlb5v0Pxm7wGWiW/H+oU0JlWgxLu1myaGyd2UcT 434b0AMBNIpkjCfdjJWCNkBeWNSDhJ2eIhR3e/EwSRaxDFz7ZYU37oSYkGhUiVh3WC+A HebQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.47.66 with SMTP id b2mr3600620obn.2.1338572713271; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.128.38 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC8FB16.2090907@protected-networks.net> References: <4FC8FB16.2090907@protected-networks.net> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:45:13 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: I9Stm0EQp1_coHxCiTcqyMHfJAE Message-ID: From: Rick Miller To: Michael Butler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Support for Intel 82599ES? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:45:14 -0000 Thanks, Michael! I took a look at the manpage and it does appear that it is supported by the bge driver. It also states that the 572x controller is also supported, but I heard a rumor stating that the BCM5720 in particular did not work even though the manpage indicates it is supported. I was unable to verify this, but that's why I was asking for clarification. I will assume it works at this point. On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Michael Butler wrote: > On 06/01/12 13:06, Rick Miller wrote: >> Thanks, Jack! >> >> Also another support question for the lists....Is the Broadcom BCM5719 >> supported? =A0I can find neither in the hardware notes for 8.3 nor 9.0. > > man bge > > --=20 Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 17:45:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F2810656DE for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:45:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net [207.145.128.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B308FC12 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.53]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAE53C8302 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32218 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2012 17:45:43 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 22081, pid: 32733, t: 0.1697s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:13495 Received: from unknown (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Jun 2012 17:45:43 -0000 Received: from lowell-desk.lan (lowell-desk.lan [172.30.250.8]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B80533C22; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id A655A39829; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Kimmo Paasiala References: Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:45:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Kimmo Paasiala's message of "Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:42:45 +0300") Message-ID: <44pq9j9b9c.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installworld and /usr/include/*.h modification times X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:45:45 -0000 Kimmo Paasiala writes: > Why are /usr/include files installed with "install -C" during "make > installworld" when almost everything else is installed without the -C > flag? This makes it harder to track which files were actually > installed during the last "make installworld". One can easily find > obsolete files (that are not covered with make delete-old(-libs)) > with "find -x / -type f -mtime +suitable_time" but this doesn't work > for /usr/include files because the modification times are not bumped > on "make installworld". "make" uses timestamps to determine whether to trigger a rule. Changing timestamps on source files without changing the contents is a bad idea. 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[96.22.221.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n2sm4082416vdj.3.2012.06.01.10.53.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC9019A.8040601@gthcfoundation.org> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:53:30 -0400 From: Etienne Robillard Organization: gthcfoundation.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Nehren , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20120601155935.GF15877@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> In-Reply-To: <20120601155935.GF15877@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: erob@gthcfoundation.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:53:27 -0000 On 06/01/2012 11:59 AM, Chris Nehren wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:03:26 -0700 , Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> Dear All , >> >> There is a thread >> >> "Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?" >> >> >> I think another thread with the specified subject '"Why Are You NOT Using >> FreeBSD ?" may be useful : >> >> >> If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please >> list those areas with most important first to least important last ? > > I use Mac desktops. X11 and I don't get along. I still live in a > fullscreen green-on-black terminal, of course, and do all of my actual > work in either the Mac's BSD userland or a FreeBSD machine over ssh. > > So, really, this is nothing to do with FreeBSD per se, and I will > consider reevaluating FreeBSD as a desktop when something not X11 comes > along (although I don't see that as incredibly likely). You mean like a TV screen? :) Clearly for me I prefer FreeBSD for server operations and Linux for desktop although I frequently choose FreeBSD for desktop computing and in particular DVD playback with ffmpeg/mplayer. Cheers, Etienne -- Etienne Robillard Occupation: Software Developer Company: Green Tea Hackers Club Email: erob@gthcfoundation.org Website: gthcfoundation.org Skype ID: incidah From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 17:56:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77531065672 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:56:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wayne@manor.msen.com) Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656A68FC1C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from manor.msen.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manor.msen.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q51HujO3040539 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:56:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wayne@manor.msen.com) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by manor.msen.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id q51Hujic040538 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:56:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wayne) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:56:45 -0400 From: "Michael R. Wayne" To: freebsd-stable Message-ID: <20120601175645.GP42080@manor.msen.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:56:58 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:03:26AM -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? As mentioned by several others, once you have a single applicaiton that demands Windows, you are mostly stuck running windows. My single biggest complaint about FreeBSD is that there appears to be absolutely no interest by anyone associated with the core team in supporting one version for an extended period. Extended, in this case, meaning 10+ years. Support meaning patching security vulnerabilities and permitting ports to build. It does not matter that that version will not run on current hardware or have new features as long as it can continue to run on the original hardware. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 17:57:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9FD1065674; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:57:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from seanbru@yahoo-inc.com) Received: from mrout2.yahoo.com (mrout2.yahoo.com [216.145.54.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3048FC14; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (proxy7.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.48.98]) by mrout2.yahoo.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/y.out) with ESMTP id q51HvmeF078529; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:57:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=yahoo-inc.com; s=cobra; t=1338573469; bh=m79i1EzljS+UtDpQV1fMegrp79NxgDfn6M2Wjv51KjA=; h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type: Date:Message-ID:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Mp0ULNNTazxxg1l/rAPSX4J7y25at99Yv0KTHaIO2Z0JkWRgl71j8HN/4WG3k5j4a UYO258Wc1sbi5Y9eEBOpB4b4AiLC9Ot+wYuu4qF8SPSFnx/kvCDDwYSmPOdrpfFHvO lmGx+wVTfwpvzMrH5ewzOctNPHk1gvHS5IneUrjY= From: Sean Bruno To: Rick Miller In-Reply-To: References: <4FC8FB16.2090907@protected-networks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 10:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1338573468.2990.2.camel@powernoodle-l7.corp.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Milter-Version: master.31+4-gbc07cd5+ X-CLX-ID: 573468002 Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Support for Intel 82599ES? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: sbruno@freebsd.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:57:56 -0000 On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 10:45 -0700, Rick Miller wrote: > BCM5720 I haven't gotten this working on my Dell R620 via bge(4), but we are actively working on it. Sean From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 18:11:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA32106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:11:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apeiron@isuckatdomains.net) Received: from isuckatdomains.net (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:4::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBA98FC15 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isuckatdomains.members.linode.com (isuckatdomains.net [74.207.243.179]) by isuckatdomains.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA44F45AB0 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:11:32 -0400 From: Chris Nehren To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120601181132.GG15877@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> References: <20120601175645.GP42080@manor.msen.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120601175645.GP42080@manor.msen.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:11:34 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 13:56:45 -0400 , Michael R. Wayne wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:03:26AM -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? > > As mentioned by several others, once you have a single applicaiton > that demands Windows, you are mostly stuck running windows. > > My single biggest complaint about FreeBSD is that there appears to > be absolutely no interest by anyone associated with the core team > in supporting one version for an extended period. Extended, in this > case, meaning 10+ years. Support meaning patching security > vulnerabilities and permitting ports to build. It does not matter > that that version will not run on current hardware or have new > features as long as it can continue to run on the original hardware. Show me one volunteer Unix OS with a 10+ year support infrastructure. -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 18:18:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFFD106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:18:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kpaasial@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411538FC08 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfy7 with SMTP id fy7so1811018vcb.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:18:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Mfk4JBvjUHmM/A2VRQpb/HfcTy7SOLEkL2p83hS2o9Y=; b=cRiVBR9gA2Th1PMtY4yprlQAtTAJErRZih2nryOBPkFR6AeX9SxAxNZcMXimAa7j2j 9iMJc35oS5HNb4IQm2qEtaHWBZYlAA9ym1e1NhsoW9wKLIZmklkor4GyavRY45t1+EWf 7p/7jAPUd9nK4qJtHyE8J82wmsM61SWVkAo+E5dZLJ8fVaD0ucjXMtnXUi2mi1jtc/ie y1Ha/7FrSxwcBS/gmiH/wMVksCaDYUaUfS03e2HfldM00JSjY6FqMswqfVGtVZxnz5Rv qYiIQqvB3KxqBe+pTUDes6990HWRGVoX3JjcpzMqbmB1686b7jXrtb6vgK4vRSyn39Ag e+gA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.64.146 with SMTP id o18mr3339379vds.55.1338574735570; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.37.136 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 11:18:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <44pq9j9b9c.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> References: <44pq9j9b9c.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:18:55 +0300 Message-ID: From: Kimmo Paasiala To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: Installworld and /usr/include/*.h modification times X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:18:56 -0000 On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Kimmo Paasiala writes: > >> Why are /usr/include files installed with "install -C" during "make >> installworld" =C2=A0when almost everything else is installed without the= -C >> flag? This makes it harder to track which files were actually >> installed during the last "make installworld". One can easily find >> obsolete files =C2=A0(that are not covered with make delete-old(-libs)) >> with "find -x / -type f -mtime +suitable_time" but this doesn't work >> for /usr/include files because the modification times are not bumped >> on "make installworld". > > "make" uses timestamps to determine whether to trigger a rule. Changing > timestamps on source files without changing the contents is a bad idea. Yes, I'm aware of how make uses timestamps for figuring out out of date targets. However I would argue that after updating world with "make installworld" (which is done in single user mode there for requiring at least one reboot) you should start any compilations from scratch. The ports system does this by default and cleans up any previous work files before new compilation. I just don't see where bumping of mtimes for those files would have that great impact, does anyone? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 18:31:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9711106566B; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736BF8FC08; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q51IVrnj010275; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:31:53 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q51IVr01010258; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:31:53 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:31:53 GMT Message-Id: <201206011831.q51IVr01010258@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:31:54 -0000 TB --- 2012-06-01 15:24:58 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-01 15:24:58 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-01 15:24:58 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc/powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 15:24:58 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-06-01 15:25:35 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-06-01 15:25:35 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - building world TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 15:26:32 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Fri Jun 1 15:26:32 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Fri Jun 1 18:04:18 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 18:04:18 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Fri Jun 1 18:04:19 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Fri Jun 1 18:25:39 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:39 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:39 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - building GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 18:25:40 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Fri Jun 1 18:25:40 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/mp_cpudep.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch32.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-06-01 18:31:53 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-01 18:31:53 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 18:31:53 - 7822.70 user 1043.62 system 11215.29 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 18:34:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7481065673 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fritz-bounce@frell.theremailer.net) Received: from frell.theremailer.net (unknown [IPv6:2002:d527:db49:9:60b2:e244:61a9:aadc]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0468FC19 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 18:34:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=frell.theremailer.net; s=remailer; h=Date:Message-ID:Subject:Comments:From; bh=l421k+oqXKYR4MMixiG1NdLulHb8i22bRAAE/G6Qh/w=; b=AOw1kIiKPgVnapBanZSyvrGF0jaGe+Zwu9BfJSpQDRKzfSMGsnKJJFLq91VmDREk6Q8+HHjrHgOcZhrzLA+0mYEJNy9PpE6jY7qvHpJku+LphJ0R+7cSIT50pXGClDyfpiIbmSYgzajWYTuMa88qKXehk+GEwfs3Z8nQQxHPbEBzbEHHaY5IWm8uPPA8YytrzNrZh0PYqEQExteFC+faIkiVRT3rzYeor7R5X/Mi6xjEKRRDyPKsEqPRFhsE7neOvRdGLWiv5J55NMTnKJgo6pZNcbl2/DqNflIeYwNloGMdFuTgyH5+eOSbML5N5VfDYU+QImtkBkf2qLqpE28/FxI=; Received: by frell.theremailer.net with local (Exim) id 1SaWNc-0003fy-2Z for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org envelope-sender fritz-bounce@frell.theremailer.net; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:15:20 +0200 From: Fritz Wuehler Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . Identifying the real sender is technically impossible. To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4FC89726.2010601@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <4d0c7208fd97418f039289b8bc79d448@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> Precedence: anon Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:15:20 +0200 Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:34:37 -0000 > There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. > > For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. ALL of the PC performance weenies run Windows. They're totally stupid when it comes to software and all they care about is the Windows benchmarking apps and how many FPS they can get out of their new whizbang graphics card. And they're just as zealous about Windows as Linux lemmings are about Linux or GPL fanbois are about Stallman and the FSF. Really, they're overglorified game appliance users. Is it any wonder they bash every OS that doesn't let them play video games? You can't discuss software or the OS rationally with 99.9% of overclockers. Once you realize how much they know about software is inversely proportional to how much they (think) they know about hardware, all these articles and discussions cease to become relevant. PLONK!!! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 19:19:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A910106564A; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:19:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AFD8FC0C; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q51JJmvx030212; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:19:48 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q51JJmHm030211; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:19:48 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:19:48 GMT Message-Id: <201206011919.q51JJmHm030211@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:19:49 -0000 TB --- 2012-06-01 15:59:08 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-01 15:59:08 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-01 15:59:08 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc64/powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 15:59:08 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-06-01 15:59:58 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-06-01 15:59:58 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc64/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - building world TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 16:01:08 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Fri Jun 1 16:01:10 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> stage 5.1: building 32 bit shim libraries >>> World build completed on Fri Jun 1 18:55:30 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 18:55:30 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Fri Jun 1 18:55:30 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Fri Jun 1 19:14:46 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - skipping GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC64 TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - building GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-01 19:14:46 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC64 >>> Kernel build for GENERIC64 started on Fri Jun 1 19:14:46 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/slb.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch64.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc64/src/sys/GENERIC64. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-06-01 19:19:48 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-01 19:19:48 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-01 19:19:48 - 8856.19 user 1226.05 system 12039.98 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 19:26:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD35106566C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:26:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from dignus.com (adsl-074-168-200-170.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net [74.168.200.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513178FC14 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from office.dignus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dignus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q51IvqCj049344; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:57:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rivers@office.dignus.com) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by office.dignus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q51IvqN3049343; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:57:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rivers) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:57:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <201206011857.q51IvqN3049343@office.dignus.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on office.dignus.com Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:26:57 -0000 We used to have FreeBSD exclusively on desktops... Now, we have migrated to other desktops (mac) with FreeBSD running the build and file server... Why? Because - the mac updates itself! No pain, no installation, no keeping-up with mailing lists/announcements, just and its done. Mac OS has a nice X11 server, the Mac UI is good enough, you don't have to install/update anything, the "app store" is perfect for downloading/installing whatever a desktop user might need. It was just too alluring... So, FreeBSD runs our NFS file server, and we log into a larger FreeBSD machine to do builds, etc... but, the desktop has moved. One developer here uses Linux Debian for about the same reason, it's trivial to update (via the network) to new versions, etc... Our web site used to be FreeBSD-based, but it was just too cost-effective to get a virtual Linux box on the backbone and move everything to that. Our requirements aren't too big, so that works beautifully. There _are_ people doing virtual FreeBSD boxes in a similar fashion, but they were quote a lot more for the annual fee.. so, Linux it was... I suppose, in some sense, you could argue that MacOS is FreeBSD... - Dave Rivers - -- rivers Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 19:32:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E522C106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:32:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6578B8FC0C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkvi18 with SMTP id i18so2813298bkv.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:32:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GtcB/XqPtCCg77mWvl98JiZZOkVKMpqHEGTRCjj+W08=; b=iuQjAIb7rXMea39KEw3vOZjpql+BcbDdKUJ4jEGWjRUryGcs8Iw8aHeGIhJkl7ktJt +O1MNA2HjHSIIuL6cbgjHfv2Rd81uqZPq/qV9EiV4a7ix/E2xznz8JDCDPodjk8Q5/DD k7kAfp99NfWpvT+zwdbD7yg80OyAjMEh5ZiMM+tfDrU0EAI6zQ+hK6zrXe04k+HYi7+2 kMtclUJH0fzo1kvRi0OZ2wZZePUvqfOPrV0ySpx0cUFMn0hibvroOk85Y+ec3chbTsxD wy0f1Qd0c3ehyTdqEzq6wXeEk6op8VpVjYWjJFMjm6R4fMCZvnJbHhTfnEfflDuR5XiW JWwQ== Received: by 10.204.145.89 with SMTP id c25mr2732724bkv.5.1338579159053; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:32:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: utisoft@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.171.138 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 12:32:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> References: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:32:08 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JAjN4kLTtUB11wYbblK8qqqeHvc Message-ID: To: Nomen Nescio , stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:32:41 -0000 On 1 June 2012 16:20, Nomen Nescio wrote: >> Dear All , >> >> There is a thread >> >> "Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?" >> >> >> I think another thread with the specified subject =A0 '"Why Are You NOT = Using >> FreeBSD ?" may be useful : >> >> >> If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you plea= se >> list those areas with most important first to least important last ? > > 1. The X-org changeover a few years ago screwed up a FreeBSD installation= I > had been using so badly I never trusted FreeBSD's rolling update ports > system again. That should have been a major FreeBSD release, but instead = it > was done just in the ports with no version bump and no choice and no noti= ce > unless you read the fine print. > > 2. Broken ports galore. Much of the stuff I wanted broke on AMD64 after > downloading tarballs for hours. Not good. Contacted package maintainer an= d > received answer: yeah, I know it doesn't work on AMD64. That is unacceptable. Submit a PR next time you find something like that-- ports that are broken on an arch should be marked as such so people don't waste their time as you have been made to. Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 19:46:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E100106566B; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:46:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:aa8:ffff:2::fff0:2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9670F8FC12; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q51JkLD4067401; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:46:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: (from lars@localhost) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q51JkLHM066234; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:46:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from lars) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:46:21 +0200 From: Lars Engels To: Chris Rees Message-ID: <20120601194621.GA83046@e-new.0x20.net> References: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gKMricLos+KVdGMg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 8.3-RELEASE-p2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, Nomen Nescio Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:46:24 -0000 --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 08:32:08PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > On 1 June 2012 16:20, Nomen Nescio wrote: > >> Dear All , > >> > >> There is a thread > >> > >> "Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?" > >> > >> > >> I think another thread with the specified subject =C2=A0 '"Why Are You= NOT Using > >> FreeBSD ?" may be useful : > >> > >> > >> If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you pl= ease > >> list those areas with most important first to least important last ? > > > > 1. The X-org changeover a few years ago screwed up a FreeBSD installati= on I > > had been using so badly I never trusted FreeBSD's rolling update ports > > system again. That should have been a major FreeBSD release, but instea= d it > > was done just in the ports with no version bump and no choice and no no= tice > > unless you read the fine print. > > > > 2. Broken ports galore. Much of the stuff I wanted broke on AMD64 after > > downloading tarballs for hours. Not good. Contacted package maintainer = and > > received answer: yeah, I know it doesn't work on AMD64. >=20 > That is unacceptable. Submit a PR next time you find something like > that-- ports that are broken on an arch should be marked as such so > people don't waste their time as you have been made to. I guess he made his experiences with that some years ago when support for amd64 in the ports was not very mature. But this has changed since then, apart from a few ports almost all of them should work on amd64 without problems. --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk/JHA0ACgkQKc512sD3afh3fACgqec0/kj2Nb7RxnQEjVq8S2vE cigAoK5UTjgijk+OlzlRIw32i28hfQPL =a256 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gKMricLos+KVdGMg-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 19:47:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82311065676 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcm@fuzzwad.org) Received: from mail.volente.us (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:7:d47::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A558FC1A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from shiny-w0.fuzzwad.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.volente.us (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q51Jlro7095706 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:47:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rcm@fuzzwad.org) Message-ID: <4FC91C69.6050706@fuzzwad.org> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:47:53 -0500 From: Ron McDowell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <201206011857.q51IvqN3049343@office.dignus.com> In-Reply-To: <201206011857.q51IvqN3049343@office.dignus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:47:54 -0000 On 6/1/12 1:57 PM, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > We used to have FreeBSD exclusively on desktops... > > Now, we have migrated to other desktops (mac) with FreeBSD running > the build and file server... > > Why? > > Because - the mac updates itself! No pain, no installation, > no keeping-up with mailing lists/announcements, just and its done. > > Mac OS has a nice X11 server, the Mac UI is good enough, you don't > have to install/update anything, the "app store" is perfect > for downloading/installing whatever a desktop user might need. > > It was just too alluring... > > So, FreeBSD runs our NFS file server, and we log into a larger > FreeBSD machine to do builds, etc... but, the desktop has moved. > > One developer here uses Linux Debian for about the same reason, > it's trivial to update (via the network) to new versions, etc... > > Our web site used to be FreeBSD-based, but it was just too > cost-effective to get a virtual Linux box on the backbone and > move everything to that. Our requirements aren't too big, so > that works beautifully. There _are_ people doing virtual > FreeBSD boxes in a similar fashion, but they were quote a lot > more for the annual fee.. so, Linux it was... > > I suppose, in some sense, you could argue that MacOS is FreeBSD... > > - Dave Rivers - > I feel the same way about OSX for desktops [and my desktop is also my notebook with a monitor/keyboard/mouse]. I have been quite happy with rootbsd.com [right there in your area code] for VM boxes, have some in Raleigh and in Dallas and they perform well, running 8-stable and 9-stable. I've also used vr.org for FreeBSD boxes in Europe and Asia, no problems there either. -- Ron McDowell San Antonio TX From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 19:50:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFE1106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:50:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryan@shatow.net) Received: from secure.xzibition.com (secure.xzibition.com [173.160.118.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409398FC16 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:50:17 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; q=dns; s=sweb; b=hfZBc7WwiCZoyzWczFdtW4oocIpO0s7d E4ISIgrI3IB2BN5mVTzPvcUb+jB7AI4R8nPxGywbyf0F33JHGsCisNuBS3mANBbM hRw1gHRAyUnR0KwiszlUfSMZvCF4w568Z6ZgAoF+HUT/sdAeP+amnYPCeYEl/r2p IX/1NwanJDQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; s=sweb; bh=vopF/StaYXNPX+NWYZqRLXUdbLi6cf60h5Ztly oj3pc=; b=fmjEF4Tygx/PJaZC9cPPnBzq1P1MkphMSbkoAXbEWNfKJiM04rb9C7 o9raXsO9skus2ZdezrqppTOa1sD1cIlPOhSWZIVzn+BBs1FaGIa/p4xi1j8ULECE 84tuF245K7U3fyWkFR6D7dKpDmMKVmPhdd8Pv6MebuJnAvTKGsAcc= Received: (qmail 88454 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2012 14:50:15 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.21.109?) (bryan@shatow.net@74.94.87.209) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 1 Jun 2012 14:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: <4FC91CFE.3090009@shatow.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:50:22 -0500 From: Bryan Drewery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas David Rivers References: <201206011857.q51IvqN3049343@office.dignus.com> In-Reply-To: <201206011857.q51IvqN3049343@office.dignus.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA4C5355F9C247F836D42B76F" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 19:50:17 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA4C5355F9C247F836D42B76F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/1/2012 1:57 PM, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > One developer here uses Linux Debian for about the same reason, > it's trivial to update (via the network) to new versions, etc... FWIW, there is freebsd-update(8) now for binary updating of base, and pkgng[1] will allow binary upgrading of packages/ports similar to apt-get= =2E [1] http://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng --=20 Regards, Bryan Drewery bdrewery@freenode, bryan@EFNet --------------enigA4C5355F9C247F836D42B76F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPyRz+AAoJEG54KsA8mwz5jGIP/1uGUBhOlKxhx9h1j4BL5ZRT K8ozj6qkOpbOzR+D1TrYgoolm8Bms20cb5n1uFHy7hT0w3GgxTWs+LFihtEU5kjR yPCkaR8oIqf4EgZ6bmvbYsMg3RiyF+ETN0jyCcADkf0Cf+KVfMQ2EnsHpqZcb+OC nUZAwP73aiYUFQINqkeDcr9PH/KxSnoCrQAC8eo8JjKP0KN0LzF+khmr/juM01zH xbcXLzDVRxmYnfwNcCV7kNWqy/Z7xw4ig2bAtHjmLBuSuByTzXbmCc/lX9yKFpBW DU3BX0dSWv8Vh0L42ZJWWDCBHHmbzxgaBHGaf6AxJP9zu6Te43N+Uk6c7xsh/TmJ bb+q85399hJxoCKiXfocGlisVKSnV0DdF2/8NnAL8AZYFn4EWXn6bphRNG643MbV 9YVMd4BM62ZjkG/CrqHnr/JmkLXD5Xj9FNTHZsO21Gs2AV0aRmCKj5+My+pO+GEY /Sb9yeeRqdHZXAEs9VfRxma97iQfoxKn8faXOLNaWZbzmwTpXCguj7/+LiJDxJrO 0gK7JmuiaNWOkVbL0k9ekMUmG7ACB23SBjHlKQ19yTdwx0OsQ9zkgHpcORNTFTCI DCZryj7zR1kr75GlFSrXMK17iceS63+rF+cv3sLMXNRF4tb8mOoOMMirJJWh0Whk L68eVSeTGjpCg5pP+Q9c =b7Rr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA4C5355F9C247F836D42B76F-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 20:09:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93F8106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apeiron@isuckatdomains.net) Received: from isuckatdomains.net (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:4::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B310E8FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isuckatdomains.members.linode.com (isuckatdomains.net [74.207.243.179]) by isuckatdomains.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8947A45AB1 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 16:09:53 -0400 From: Chris Nehren To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120601200953.GH15877@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> References: <201206011857.q51IvqN3049343@office.dignus.com> <4FC91CFE.3090009@shatow.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC91CFE.3090009@shatow.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: pkgng (Was: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:09:54 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 14:50:22 -0500 , Bryan Drewery wrote: > FWIW, there is freebsd-update(8) now for binary updating of base, and > pkgng[1] will allow binary upgrading of packages/ports similar to apt-get. > > [1] http://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng The thing that really has me attracted to pkgng is that it's based on a C library with a public API that developers can use / abuse. It's not (AFAIK) officially released yet, but some early work I've been doing with it has shown it to be useful enough. -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 23:15:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE52C106566B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:500:60::65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FABD8FC0A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.isc.org", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (not verified)) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 447285F9A77; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:e909:6ff9:fb02:dbd1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62A27216C33; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7B0212C312; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:14:57 +1000 (EST) To: Kimmo Paasiala From: Mark Andrews References: <44pq9j9b9c.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:18:55 +0300." Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:14:57 +1000 Message-Id: <20120601231457.BE7B0212C312@drugs.dv.isc.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mx.ams1.isc.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: Installworld and /usr/include/*.h modification times X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:15:28 -0000 In message , Kimmo Paasiala writes: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Lowell Gilbert > wrote: > > Kimmo Paasiala writes: > > > >> Why are /usr/include files installed with "install -C" during "make > >> installworld" =C2=A0when almost everything else is installed without the= > -C > >> flag? This makes it harder to track which files were actually > >> installed during the last "make installworld". One can easily find > >> obsolete files =C2=A0(that are not covered with make delete-old(-libs)) > >> with "find -x / -type f -mtime +suitable_time" but this doesn't work > >> for /usr/include files because the modification times are not bumped > >> on "make installworld". > > > > "make" uses timestamps to determine whether to trigger a rule. Changing > > timestamps on source files without changing the contents is a bad idea. > > Yes, I'm aware of how make uses timestamps for figuring out out of > date targets. However I would argue that after updating world with > "make installworld" (which is done in single user mode there for > requiring at least one reboot) you should start any compilations from > scratch. The ports system does this by default and cleans up any > previous work files before new compilation. I just don't see where > bumping of mtimes for those files would have that great impact, does > anyone? You obviously havn't had to deal with multi-day builds and also having to repair the OS. Preserving timestamps preserves re-startability. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 1 23:35:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696A4106564A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:35:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from msch@snafu.de) Received: from waikiki.ops.eusc.inter.net (waikiki.ops.eusc.inter.net [84.23.254.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3C58FC08 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:35:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Trace: 507c6d73636840736e6166752e64657c38372e3138372e35382e3232307c315361 6233612d3030303356442d53637c31333338353932343939 Received: from waikiki.ops.eusc.inter.net ([10.155.10.19] helo=localhost) by waikiki.ops.eusc.inter.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) id 1Sab3a-0003VD-Sc; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:14:59 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--491954078; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Matthias Schuendehuette In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:14:58 +0200 Message-Id: <2B517E09-476A-460C-9545-8E598462C054@snafu.de> References: To: freebsd-stable X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 87.187.58.220 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: msch@snafu.de X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on waikiki.ops.eusc.inter.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:35:18 -0000 --Apple-Mail-9--491954078 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, Am 01.06.2012 um 14:03 schrieb Mehmet Erol Sanliturk: > [...] > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you = please > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? We are using two FreeBSD-Servers as a SAMBA-Server and as a plot-server, = partly using the Linux-ABI. Both servers are rock solid (HP ProLiant). But I'm not brave enough to run an ORACLE Database-Server under FreeBSD. = For a corporate database server I need official vendor support for that = platform and therefor I have to use RedHat or SuSE. It's really a pity. I'm using FreeBSD since version 2.05 and was never = disappointed. Best regards Matthias --=20 Ciao/BSD - Matthias Matthias Schuendehuette , Berlin (Germany) --Apple-Mail-9--491954078-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 00:08:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AD61065676 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:08:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Received: from eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (eccles.ee.ryerson.ca [141.117.1.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED8A8FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (bas2-toronto09-1176130977.dsl.bell.ca [70.26.85.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q5208oEo035256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:08:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Magda In-Reply-To: <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:08:50 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <233444D6-8A01-48DC-AD26-D0597445EA08@ee.ryerson.ca> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> To: Phil Regnauld X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:08:54 -0000 On Jun 1, 2012, at 09:12, Phil Regnauld wrote: > * Gluster > > For very large FSes, nothing beats it, especially now that 3.3 has been > released. Isilon built their OneFS on top of FreeBSD, does that count? :) Panasas too IIRC. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 00:19:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBFA106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:19:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hugeraid.jetcafe.org (hugeraid.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D6F8FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hugeraid.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hugeraid.jetcafe.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q520CEcf057568; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <201206020012.q520CEcf057568@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk In-reply-to: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:12:14 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:19:22 -0000 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk writes: > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? 1) I don't use FreeBSD for virtualization as the host OS. I really want to, becaus I want to be able to somewhat trust the kernel hosting my virtual machines. FreeBSD technology, support, and documentation for this idea appears unavailable. 2) I don't use FreeBSD for a 'modern' desktop. By 'modern' I mean areas which most rank and file users would need: day-to-day non technical browsing with flash, applications like skype, syncing to mobile devices, etc. I'd imagine this is important for rank and file users. However, I'm an old schooler who likes text based applications and command lines, and I personally feel that a lot of the desktop technologies out there (Gnome, KDE, Aqua, Windows) are inherently unsafe (security wise) for a desktop I do software development on. One glance at my X-mailer should tell many people where I'm at. ;) As an example (please don't think I'm singling KDE out here, I can likely find examples for each desktop technology out there) I was given to understand that the KDE file browser allowed the execution of javascript. This single rumor has kept me from trying out KDE for years. Again, nothing against KDE in particular, all of the 'user friendly' desktop technologies likely have something just as egregious. Thus, in many ways I feel it's a *feature* of FreeBSD that the desktop software lags behind everyone else. I don't want flash in my Firefox. I don't want hal, bonjour, or dbus as an extra attack surface. I don't want gnome to auto discover all the fileshares on my network(s). 3) I don't use FreeBSD for games, sadly. This is the only place where I will tolerate having a Windoze box, for my love of games exceeds my hatred of windows (yes I -really- do love games) and it's hard to find a better platform for games. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom is free of the need to be free. -George Clinton From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 00:22:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DACC106567F; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:22:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hugeraid.jetcafe.org (hugeraid.jetcafe.org [205.147.26.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4EF8FC1B; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hugeraid.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hugeraid.jetcafe.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q520EwRU057625; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <201206020014.q520EwRU057625@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Lars Engels In-reply-to: <20120601194621.GA83046@e-new.0x20.net> References: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> <20120601194621.GA83046@e-new.0x20.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:14:58 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Cc: Chris Rees , stable@freebsd.org, Nomen Nescio Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:22:15 -0000 Lars Engels writes: > I guess he made his experiences with that some years ago when support > for amd64 in the ports was not very mature. But this has changed since > then, apart from a few ports almost all of them should work on amd64 > without problems. I can vouch for this. I have several production and two development amd64 machines. I've yet to have a problem with a port because of the architecture. -- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Man does not have a capacity of instant comprehension. So rare is the knowledge of how to train this, that most people and institutions have compromised by playing upon man's proneness to conditioning and indoctrination instead. The end of *that* road is the ant-heap. Or, at best, the beehive. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 00:33:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175341065673 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:33:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Received: from eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (ee.ryerson.ca [141.117.1.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC128FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (bas2-toronto09-1176130977.dsl.bell.ca [70.26.85.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q5206PoP035223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:06:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: David Magda In-Reply-To: <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:06:24 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <31DFBF41-37EC-43CF-A555-2D4E46F1F6E2@ee.ryerson.ca> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> To: Daniel Kalchev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:33:41 -0000 On Jun 1, 2012, at 08:33, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > For example if one wants an e-mail server, that is better served in = the long run by IMAP+MTA than any form of Exchange, because you are not = tied to one single platform and that vendor's lunacy. Otherwise FreeBSD = runs just fine as server for about any other OS client, provided those = clients use standard Internet protocols. If all you want is e-mail, then there are certainly better options than = Exchange IMHO. However, once you get into calendars (private and shared, = with delegation to secretaries, etc.), meeting rooms, ActiveSync (to = remotely wipe lost devices), then it's a whole different game. E-mail was solved a long time ago, but Exchange does many things on top = of it that many organizations find very handy, and where there doesn't = seem to be a decent open alternative. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 00:42:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A9F106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from regnauld@x0.dk) Received: from moof.catpipe.net (moof.catpipe.net [194.28.252.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EB08FC12 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (moof.catpipe.net [194.28.252.64]) by localhost.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABEF4CEF1A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 02:42:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from moof.catpipe.net ([194.28.252.64]) by localhost (moof.catpipe.net [194.28.252.64]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N6q5wW58Rl9X; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 02:42:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from macbook.bluepipe.net (x0.dk [194.19.205.214]) (Authenticated sender: relayuser) by moof.catpipe.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CE7A74CEEF5; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 02:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by macbook.bluepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 524CAA6638C; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 02:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 02:42:07 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: David Magda Message-ID: <20120602004207.GP25876@macbook.bluepipe.net> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <233444D6-8A01-48DC-AD26-D0597445EA08@ee.ryerson.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <233444D6-8A01-48DC-AD26-D0597445EA08@ee.ryerson.ca> X-Operating-System: Darwin 11.4.0 x86_64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:42:10 -0000 David Magda (dmagda) writes: > On Jun 1, 2012, at 09:12, Phil Regnauld wrote: > > > * Gluster > > > > For very large FSes, nothing beats it, especially now that 3.3 has been > > released. > > Isilon built their OneFS on top of FreeBSD, does that count? :) > > Panasas too IIRC. Good pointers, thanks. It's still "appliance", but good to know that FreeBSD is out there :) Phil From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 00:43:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB07106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:43:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gpalmer@freebsd.org) Received: from noop.in-addr.com (mail.in-addr.com [IPv6:2001:470:8:162::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DDE8FC1D for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gjp by noop.in-addr.com with local (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SacQI-0004MG-Mi; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:42:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:42:30 -0400 From: Gary Palmer To: Dave Hayes Message-ID: <20120602004230.GA14487@in-addr.com> References: <201206020012.q520CEcf057568@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201206020012.q520CEcf057568@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: gpalmer@freebsd.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on noop.in-addr.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:43:12 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:12:14PM -0700, Dave Hayes wrote: > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk writes: > > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? > > 1) I don't use FreeBSD for virtualization as the host OS. I really want > to, becaus I want to be able to somewhat trust the kernel hosting my > virtual machines. FreeBSD technology, support, and documentation for > this idea appears unavailable. Have you looked at VirtualBox? /usr/ports/emulators/virtualbox-ose Its not a fully featured replacement for vSphere (e.g. no equivalent of vMotion) but it is a perfectly workable virtualisation solution for a number of situations. Gary From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 00:50:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051B6106566C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF938FC18 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so1737100qcs.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:50:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TN+uutlxB4jp3hccgt60BmSnzfw44Da8JxUNJLOj5NY=; b=AXsWQsgLA/eX5IGYqw2wU/nAYU4/bgnvLQ76JqGkyh7b5VEnfYMLLCYyYUrztO/F+L jgvhesTxJtwo04Qgcspr/6wO3EgmhpHcgrXClblkXYQcBEZDi5bhULvZLf0cNXBesz7O 47E4VSjpiYrTcOXNJD4TOYHIvuakt34O3uXyondMZ8JqRkJTi7Eo1sdfSmfkuufQapCJ Vv5P0RwiqKsOureORp4fdPsQeC7XyExTFgj+/b7K0dl6oerQ+PETWyRHvZMyc1UqrbTe wYvdpQPMnPgUIWUBlw2PsXnRN/OAiVTiDhIzSqyB9R2iMD3Y1MD3aUqy+PXtqtWGM8eA Ab5A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.143 with SMTP id t15mr1555311qco.46.1338598219351; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.20.148 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.20.148 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:50:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <31DFBF41-37EC-43CF-A555-2D4E46F1F6E2@ee.ryerson.ca> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <31DFBF41-37EC-43CF-A555-2D4E46F1F6E2@ee.ryerson.ca> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 17:50:19 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: David Magda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Daniel Kalchev Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:50:21 -0000 On Jun 1, 2012 5:34 PM, "David Magda" wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2012, at 08:33, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > > For example if one wants an e-mail server, that is better served in the long run by IMAP+MTA than any form of Exchange, because you are not tied to one single platform and that vendor's lunacy. Otherwise FreeBSD runs just fine as server for about any other OS client, provided those clients use standard Internet protocols. > > If all you want is e-mail, then there are certainly better options than Exchange IMHO. However, once you get into calendars (private and shared, with delegation to secretaries, etc.), meeting rooms, ActiveSync (to remotely wipe lost devices), then it's a whole different game. > > E-mail was solved a long time ago, but Exchange does many things on top of it that many organizations find very handy, and where there doesn't seem to be a decent open alternative. Zimbra, Kolab, OpenGroupware, Citadel, Zarafa, and many others have filled the gap in recent years. Zimbra in particular is very nice to work with. Especially the for-pay Network Edition. It's basically a drop-in replacement for Exchange, right down to the Outlook Connector and ActiveSync support. And the open-source version (which has the exact same web interface) is also very nice to work with. It's just a nice GUI/DB wrapper to Postfix, Cyrus IMAPd, MySQL, and various other OSS bits. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 00:58:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403C8106566B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:58:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC00E8FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HCvU1j0020bG4ec5CCxjfY; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:57:43 +0000 Received: from wotan.home2 ([24.34.111.37]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HCxj1j0060oTbcw3PCxjua; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:57:43 +0000 Received: from algo by wotan.home2 with local (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Sacf0-0008vg-Qb for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:57:42 -0400 From: Alex Goncharov To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <201206020012.q520CEcf057568@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> (message from Dave Hayes on Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:12:14 -0700) References: <201206020012.q520CEcf057568@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> Message-Id: Sender: Alex Goncharov Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:57:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Goncharov List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:58:51 -0000 ,--- Dave Hayes (Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:12:14 -0700) ----* | 2) I don't use FreeBSD for a 'modern' desktop. By 'modern' I mean | areas which most rank and file users would need: day-to-day non | technical browsing with flash, applications like skype, syncing to | mobile devices, etc. First, two statements and one statement/question: S1. Flash works pretty well -- sometimes almost perfectly -- in FreeBSD: in Firefox, Opera or Chrome. Some software upgrades (the plugin in ports or base, I haven't figured out) lead to periodic hangs on (I think) plugin disconnects, so the plugin processes better to be cleaned up by 'kill' periodically. A nuisance but can be lived with, if FreeBSD seems a better option in other respects (which it does for me.) I visit scores of very "flashy" Web sites every day and am, on the balance, happy with what I get with either of the mentioned browsers in FreeBSD there. S2. I tried Skype in FreeBSD 9 a few months back and, IIRC, all there worked: at least I was able to use Skype for instant messaging. S3? Syncing to Ip*d and BB PlayBook is something I would really like to do in FreeBSD and I haven't figured out if that is possible. I played with "fuse", "gtkpod" and other things that work in Linux. No luck for me. So does anybody know if this is possible somehow? (After all, one can see these devices as SCSI "something". Is "fuse" of any good for this?) | I'd imagine this is important for rank and file users. However, I'm an | old schooler who likes text based applications and command lines, and I | personally feel that a lot of the desktop technologies out there (Gnome, | KDE, Aqua, Windows) are inherently unsafe (security wise) for a desktop | I do software development on. One glance at my X-mailer should tell many | people where I'm at. ;) You don't have to use anything of Gnome or KDE in order to use the technologies mentioned in my S1 and S2 -- I use TWM, for example. | Thus, in many ways I feel it's a *feature* of FreeBSD that the desktop | software lags behind everyone else. I don't want flash in my Firefox. I | don't want hal, bonjour, or dbus as an extra attack surface. I don't | want gnome to auto discover all the fileshares on my network(s). I don't run 'hal'; 'dbus' may be harder to avoid. It would be really nice to be able to talk to Apple and BB mobile devices from FreeBSD -- and that is my only current grievance about FreeBSD as a desktop environment. Everything else is shining brilliant for me. Thanks all who made it so! -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net -- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 01:03:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11040106566C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apeiron@isuckatdomains.net) Received: from isuckatdomains.net (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:4::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE5D8FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isuckatdomains.members.linode.com (isuckatdomains.net [74.207.243.179]) by isuckatdomains.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 04C8D45AB1 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:03:46 -0400 From: Chris Nehren To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:03:49 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 15:12:36 +0200 , Phil Regnauld wrote: > > * full virtualization > > I am using VirtualBox in production with HAST + ZVOLs, but we need > something like DRBD's dual master mode to be able to do a teleport of the > instance like Ganeti does (http://code.google.com/p/ganeti/) with Linux > > Getting Xen dom0 and/or KVM would be a major boost as a virtualization > platform, in particular with ZFS. > > * Gluster > > For very large FSes, nothing beats it, especially now that 3.3 has been > released. > You say your'e using ZVOLs but then recommend gluster for large filesystems. I would like to take a moment to point out that one of the design goals of ZFS was to scale beyond the capabilities of current hardware. What does gluster do that ZFS does not? I'm not trying to troll here, but am genuinely curious about ZFS's shortfalls in one of the problem domains it seeks to address. -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 01:18:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C96106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:18:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C208FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadv36 with SMTP id v36so3738428dad.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:18:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=t/+jGIxECsKadb1mUMJUVvufGD1PBYfuhdW97XCTYc0=; b=FukuXQ7bXOUOT2lrxnzP//KzQaZpmUPPvzEkeYanPj2VA6h4PqrNNTqrqelhCMQ9Mb OYhp12NIQY/7GYLHkYeSp0wCQB40HXZeKu2g0/xwucxmn1+0tQX111Uq1Dw9O5j6cq50 vCYSyThyaSTZkXDgQGmTEamZNQDFxNo9+ZUHbkxpBUUq4TWmPxZPtXk5co8/pZ8OkB6s hkgKpgC/p7hN2q5RBdBs5nhsS3hGIkk+xkD3FcpeG+BKyJTNDfspxkirxc+kFe7i0Meo YwSdBW3K3ffbp8FvPdquhGVUX9b/NJETJHi8ajHjaNtkUSp90EPkUyZjr/AklwYf0KfJ rrlQ== Received: by 10.68.228.200 with SMTP id sk8mr15350930pbc.94.1338599915348; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.6] (dsl093-034-235.snd1.dsl.speakeasy.net. [66.93.34.235]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jp5sm4534642pbc.2.2012.06.01.18.18.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FC969F1.5000204@brianwhalen.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:18:41 -0700 From: Brian User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> <20120601194621.GA83046@e-new.0x20.net> <201206020014.q520EwRU057625@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> In-Reply-To: <201206020014.q520EwRU057625@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk8SPSmtD6rpOScapCNNHs6iX9luvODt4xBTtE5fhkZ4Iqxr1QYfHIpCFrXRCTXuwhLh6mK Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:18:36 -0000 On 6/1/2012 5:14 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: > Lars Engels writes: >> I guess he made his experiences with that some years ago when support >> for amd64 in the ports was not very mature. But this has changed since >> then, apart from a few ports almost all of them should work on amd64 >> without problems. > I can vouch for this. I have several production and two development > amd64 machines. I've yet to have a problem with a port because of the > architecture. Early in the 7.x timeframe I had this experience; not recently. Back then I installed i386 on a 64 bit AM2 proc equipped machine after seeing funny port compile errors in amd64 that went away with i386. Brian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 01:23:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541B91065672 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@dataix.net) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010268FC17 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so4674045obc.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:23:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataix.net; s=rsa; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=SMT8dLe7suBgnqxALWwB+3iQgaFp3vEt5LA4WwoPVvM=; b=Oz57Xyq49Au+OVoLT/Xig5qooc8gQ4EDvAa9QEPQUflrd3WV/hrrxcjaxpOyxu9lxN ZBM5meSQHHv/VPk7cpPcvlBz6awGaFSMMgd77CbkVkhIuPpjXhwOBPcpalmxr9vqqZs1 5H0nSYSmeoBNKZDfyH0mo8VpIgHe4EtlYXbvc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-gm-message-state; bh=SMT8dLe7suBgnqxALWwB+3iQgaFp3vEt5LA4WwoPVvM=; b=cCRrkJ2ozivBGFR2pVhz5rmaZIo5PTmWWqzEA00Uz0pt2BrVxpj66+8ggD5U9p/1rw wvVu2WQZuvsfYXYgUvud/7kE2bKoSMUOBS032cV1kpqO+Nc7OCj8jLF3Okv6yWRQ02da uon56DOdBafdWhQSoeaVHpu6JNOZy3lCM6B5EiXxTqHGgBYkwIRaPaELlK0HotcjCVwd h3mYxp8VPwKgNcik6OIXVwiFu56gjy+rbtWhn8a6M7RJ/0g6LpU6hB4XxVbC2O3BYwvT nLeTUIi+RxbD+EUTkSxOfoeAwXhOW5ZxKqS/1V+uMmKqdPLwMa6agjZBLHgC3j8BtgIj 8bMw== Received: by 10.50.216.234 with SMTP id ot10mr3265945igc.51.1338600198256; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (24-247-238-117.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com. [24.247.238.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ut5sm513280igc.13.2012.06.01.18.23.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q521NGfV079998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:23:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q521NEDD079997; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:23:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:23:14 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: Kimmo Paasiala Message-ID: <20120602012314.GA79759@DataIX.net> References: <44pq9j9b9c.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkXUOy12jxWfuN4cZn95I1gym0sN3a/A4TxIYh3n4tgQQ6wR+Eh7+2qeu5oeLPl4zA7jzMn Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Lowell Gilbert Subject: Re: Installworld and /usr/include/*.h modification times X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:23:19 -0000 --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 09:18:55PM +0300, Kimmo Paasiala wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Lowell Gilbert > wrote: > > Kimmo Paasiala writes: > > > >> Why are /usr/include files installed with "install -C" during "make > >> installworld" ??when almost everything else is installed without the -C > >> flag? This makes it harder to track which files were actually > >> installed during the last "make installworld". One can easily find > >> obsolete files ??(that are not covered with make delete-old(-libs)) > >> with "find -x / -type f -mtime +suitable_time" but this doesn't work > >> for /usr/include files because the modification times are not bumped > >> on "make installworld". > > > > "make" uses timestamps to determine whether to trigger a rule. Changing > > timestamps on source files without changing the contents is a bad idea. >=20 > Yes, I'm aware of how make uses timestamps for figuring out out of > date targets. However I would argue that after updating world with > "make installworld" (which is done in single user mode there for > requiring at least one reboot) you should start any compilations from > scratch. The ports system does this by default and cleans up any > previous work files before new compilation. I just don't see where > bumping of mtimes for those files would have that great impact, does > anyone? With the setting of (vfs.timestamp_precision=3D1) in sysctl.conf I would have to agree here strongly!. It would be great if this was default especially in any new releases of stable/8 or stable/9. --=20 - (2^(N-1)) --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPyWsCAAoJEBSh2Dr1DU7WKPcIAJLqmdtC9oFgSL+Ek1oN6iBI 2Xnh5+l2PzHuNsN/dsjqsE0Zqtdh7wEcv45YbbVSm8oxI6d74/gyHZBXo/ZVMPoC cYtVaYlrSzH6agPvha0GPzHUNwmch9XEx9VaseB/SAduCl2PEFp75UBSYCz0mS/1 sgq3LTT5RNiFyTrwFMsncVwSMjQClxHZKLDZWygru/SLVWSX3VJIdO5+98I13gZ5 /Xm+5+R1/41NzBX8R+fPrNJa4g9y7NLNvr7NsVYwCOfEB8YY/ZkpZ4Oio4HQzItn BtbiSJcOI/DZJkDXzlQROltYAmgAiRhoJ2GWgdyGiEZ0GCwpSfhpUku1hKwZoD0= =mtrU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wRRV7LY7NUeQGEoC-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 01:25:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA611065673 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@dataix.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9583A8FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhgm50 with SMTP id m50so2549540yhg.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:25:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataix.net; s=rsa; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=gRuETwa5x0jf9TDXXkN/y8nsvGIzHORKHX7xDh5wr80=; b=SIIJewPiU2+nCNKZDZ+JLryy0LO4m/0mcgJ3RXdPeoc0/f9R2MIDjkMpSPgiXwn8qM l+jqU1miLNLdL6F+De/W1H4FukawFUVlaboFxlA9o0u0JJoVPCSjawcSiobKdhEXNh1S fVcph56tiH5b4Q5qnY6f7hkMQ4y7efUxj0kY8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-gm-message-state; bh=gRuETwa5x0jf9TDXXkN/y8nsvGIzHORKHX7xDh5wr80=; b=lG3XGo6CGsLgqNaIRzla7cobdWvv3L3Vblf1S5s6e3uG7/GYHaJjjB+Mi9Dmy7f/vx +AaMvew5tihYZB69Hch3bJBwUdS1QN5LasiuGAeoZte06bPupRhsXAgqZ/t5//LC3io5 gZbjWGrbpkTO6mRW/1DdoJob96BKvWB4W/elBx+0BFevn6SXLSNwstmFzfKIxyhgUu1y UCWuNMrui2Z/0BKl0uniDH1qbt0uNlv7uLEHynin/EOyPJUGWzsSneZng1SCk7ALGrCT WSBVoYjVCLxtEl4O+Xloq+yGKNLCIsuoX1PB5jSO3bOktp/dIFewm3XGBysGK3J06D63 tzuA== Received: by 10.50.181.164 with SMTP id dx4mr3319285igc.9.1338600313761; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (24-247-238-117.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com. [24.247.238.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id uy3sm321553igc.14.2012.06.01.18.25.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q521PBXs080188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:25:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q521PAOw080187; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:25:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:25:10 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: "Andrey S. Rybak" Message-ID: <20120602012510.GB79759@DataIX.net> References: <4FC76E29.5010006@iop.kiev.ua> <20120531145041.GB1976@DataIX.net> <4FC84865.4010304@iop.kiev.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC84865.4010304@iop.kiev.ua> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlu2fZs9MmnA9ndzZN/K0pXKfWk6Qv/rubJV4YottLYQ0Xt9mLaB/SEkXDczsLjOfxCB90g Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with nmap X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:25:15 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 07:43:17AM +0300, Andrey S. Rybak wrote: > Installing libpcap from ports does not help. Error message is same. > Running nmap with -dd yield next: > > Starting Nmap 6.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2012-06-01 05:42 EEST > Fetchfile found /usr/local/share/nmap/nmap-services > PORTS: Using top 1000 ports found open (TCP:1000, UDP:0, SCTP:0) > Fetchfile found /usr/local/share/nmap/nmap.xsl > The max # of sockets we are using is: 0 > --------------- Timing report --------------- > hostgroups: min 1, max 100000 > rtt-timeouts: init 1000, min 100, max 10000 > max-scan-delay: TCP 1000, UDP 1000, SCTP 1000 > parallelism: min 0, max 0 > max-retries: 10, host-timeout: 0 > min-rate: 0, max-rate: 0 > --------------------------------------------- > Read from /usr/local/share/nmap: nmap-services. > WARNING: No targets were specified, so 0 hosts scanned. > Nmap done: 0 IP addresses (0 hosts up) scanned in 0.04 seconds > Raw packets sent: 0 (0B) | Rcvd: 0 (0B) > > Have you also recompiled nmap after you installed libpcap. Sorrry this should be a neccesary step. nmap -V -dd -- - (2^(N-1)) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 03:02:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204521065670; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:02:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@alogreentechnologies.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DB98FC08; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.201.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q52329Ht027587; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:02:22 -0600 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:56:52 +0700 Message-ID: <2189681.al9jQ9fsnP@x220.ovitrap.com> Organization: ALO Green Technologies Pte Ltd User-Agent: KMail/4.8.3 (Linux/3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64; KDE/4.8.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: David Chisnall Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:02:27 -0000 Hi, On 30 May 2012 PM 7:20:31 David Chisnall wrote: > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > I must say that it is a long time ago when I sat at the first BSD machine. The most important feature is the configuration and the update procedure. Things rarely change in a way that users have to relearn. It is also important that it is possible to use a machine and upgrade it only every six or twelve months without facing fundamental problems. What helps there that the user can define a branch (8.x or 9.x) and stick with it as long it is supported. The users are not forced to move to the next version which might introduces some changes the user is not used to it. This allows users to skip one main branch. While it is possible to stick with 8 until 10 is released, it is also possible to move to 9 or even 10. Sticking with 8 reduces the risk to get caught with some problems during the upgrade by some 50% But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic library will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I expressed this already many time here. It would be of advantage if the ports tree would also have tags like the base system itself. I use a simple trick. I update the ports tree mainly when it is frozen due to a new FreeBSD release. I believe that it is hard to express the other reasons for using FreeBSD in a world in which users take is as god given that an operating system fails or forces them to reinstall over and over again. Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 03:14:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFDA106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Received: from eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (ee.ryerson.ca [141.117.1.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274A58FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (bas2-toronto09-1176130977.dsl.bell.ca [70.26.85.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q523EAk8041489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:14:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Magda In-Reply-To: <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:14:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> To: Chris Nehren X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:14:13 -0000 On Jun 1, 2012, at 21:03, Chris Nehren wrote: > You say your'e using ZVOLs but then recommend gluster for large > filesystems. I would like to take a moment to point out that one of = the > design goals of ZFS was to scale beyond the capabilities of current > hardware.=20 >=20 > What does gluster do that ZFS does not? I'm not trying to troll here, > but am genuinely curious about ZFS's shortfalls in one of the problem > domains it seeks to address. ZFS is for storing file systems on locally connected block devices. = Gluster is a network file system where data can be distributed over many = nodes. So ZFS can ensure that bits-on-disk stay safe through checksums and = mirroring / RAIDZ, while Gluster allows entire file servers to go = offline and the files are still accessible because you have a kind of = network-level RAID going on. This also helps in performance since = instead of clients pounding on one file server (as usually happens with = NFS), every write is sent to many data nodes so you're striping across = many network elements. Think of it as NFS on steroids. A competitive open source equivalent would be Lustre, while Isilon and = Panasas would probably be commercial alternatives (though they do NFS / = CIFS on the 'front-end' and the distributed "magic" occurs on a = 'back-end' network between the appliances). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlusterFS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lustre_(file_system) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 03:25:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E0F106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from glenbarber.us (onyx.glenbarber.us [199.48.134.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 922538FC15 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 80880 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2012 23:25:31 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO glenbarber.us) (76.124.49.145) by 0 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2012 23:25:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:25:29 -0400 From: Glen Barber To: David Magda Message-ID: <20120602032529.GE1377@glenbarber.us> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:25:33 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 11:14:10PM -0400, David Magda wrote: > ZFS is for storing file systems on locally connected block devices. > Gluster is a network file system where data can be distributed over > many nodes. > Pardon my ignorance to not knowing what gluster is, but is this conceptually similar to HAST? Glen From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 03:30:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADE1106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A75D8FC14 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.201.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q522gWNM022778; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:42:33 -0600 From: Erich To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:42:31 +0700 Message-ID: <3986360.atgbTedGoT@x220.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.3 (Linux/3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64; KDE/4.8.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:30:28 -0000 Hi, On 01 June 2012 AM 5:03:26 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > "Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?" there is only one reason for me not using FreeBSD: hardware which is not supported but found in the machine. I have had to move two machines within the last three years to Fedora because of this. The first machine has had an old network adapter which was not supported by FreeBSD. The second machine is my new X220 on which I could not get X running before I have had to use it for work. I will stick now with it while I am travelling. This will take some time. I will have a try with FreeBSD again after my return. I also noticed one small problem when people use FreeBSD mainly and have one machine with Linux. It is similar. Yes, but it is not the same. When options differ, it becomes real problematic. I was really considering moving back to Windows on that one machine. Fedora supports the built-in camera and finger print reader. I could not read memory cards with the built-in reader but have had to use my old external one. What really puts me off on Fedora is the maintenance. I do not understand why people do this to themselfs. FreeBSD is so much easier to maintain. How often did Fedora introduce basic changes which runs you crazy when you have to maintain several machines? Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 03:33:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBE31065672 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:33:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaque208@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470838FC16 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2so4025396pbb.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:33:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=k6FqF5r3qsJ69dVudLV00fW3MDnDJJJGLP//fPbx6zo=; b=1A4YIdtT4KitfVwGps5rKvNFOGQCspds7/IfiqSK0ZH1Xkh0ZYvLcymybjkjF8iBNA htFiuOENssETR4DE8qpUTlV40AeyzDo/HzSfPK42lureJVicJnJ8lwSGcHqlqyGNcu1G 04EmbmbxdaZE3TVVBt3gGZRJejGrH8x65wB/9nBrgc2zHzukpj1AdgA7Ue7XtKWyfgpp 1JY8d7RfDimjHKV95tViegg4ON9b0j61gDDmPGr2DkJ1156vvIeJVsXkhW6r0y0ZOJCl qCBBC2lBDAxLnPF8zSsCBAyV3bp8ZAhbM+ElEjUVcI999hDogsVcmN9Cq8TImGM0wxuI Tg4g== Received: by 10.68.138.169 with SMTP id qr9mr4317043pbb.27.1338608010330; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c-24-21-190-102.hsd1.or.comcast.net. [24.21.190.102]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pj5sm4848089pbb.51.2012.06.01.20.33.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:33:28 -0700 From: Zach Leslie To: David Magda Message-ID: <20120602033328.GD50450@durance.local> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Chris Nehren Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:33:36 -0000 > So ZFS can ensure that bits-on-disk stay safe through checksums and mirroring / RAIDZ, while Gluster allows entire file servers to go offline and the files are still accessible because you have a kind of network-level RAID going on. This also helps in performance since instead of clients pounding on one file server (as usually happens with NFS), every write is sent to many data nodes so you're striping across many network elements. Think of it as NFS on steroids. I love distributed filessystems. While Gluster is a pain, this is something that the Linux community is at least paying attention to as a real issue and working to solve it. I don't know that new work in distributed filesystems, like Ceph (http://ceph.com/), is inherently tied to Linux, but more that devs are choosing Linux as a platform on which to build awesome projects. I would love to see ZFS backed distributed network filesystems, but even ZFS came from outside FreeBSD, so the commercial vendors you mentioned may be the only way forward in this regard for FreeBSD. -- Zach From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 03:44:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20120106566C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:44:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7328FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:44:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so4843238obc.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:44:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oHgw+ZwjDSTgyOVROFA1xFxeNeqKas5JQwGWPzKF7CQ=; b=Xe/AyV2KS6hjzLZ6IEYWommxRjFAN2phH8vXEeV33CDdpe70NtysldnjWrx94oMP8J M+WaN0OCeDtO7eEaKT7ei5Ggu6SvYzxMTDhV9N/Ae2iJhzI015LknNeh8OZBLjHEF2UH H8pjBFxsBfR/Pu179ObWsVxz5elfRoOMPrsTQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=oHgw+ZwjDSTgyOVROFA1xFxeNeqKas5JQwGWPzKF7CQ=; b=HctJJ5ZV1tXRxO4hw1d1RfwJwcGFNEZ41k7ZMmyJuWVbc6gfsmhgxjBRhpsI2HdJw0 qMEqPTgpFvyrdCaNWAIQSsH0aY0L1beYLapmSxk8hT0kc8M3Kiec7W8VgUvuKvXg68/o bLeGYZxmHuRHyupAxUPNrs7j/I1clJOJIYxSStc6bDzcVrmhIyFoYEjeP+sWCYQaulrm 8fN/eJJQa8WMUn7IIQy5uBUtAbtI/05jdkhJpi2TGKfEBE7nGhk3450wOMl/9DX//ooW sZyhZU10gjk5we2BYrDBTS4KL3LqmQ6pDntAQZvQIeLgnW9HsB0Up3xAfCaclId9Hf1W 4DKQ== Received: by 10.60.3.39 with SMTP id 7mr4978989oez.4.1338608664130; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:44:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.204.69 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 20:43:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120602033328.GD50450@durance.local> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> <20120602033328.GD50450@durance.local> From: Eitan Adler Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 23:43:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: Zach Leslie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkIMCUYL7v54YGqLqZZzgdWqFQHz5fWIYMaOTS8JxxmD8KvoEOCVZF68Gp1YqxeD9cQciwL Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, David Magda , Chris Nehren Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:44:25 -0000 On 1 June 2012 23:33, Zach Leslie wrote: >> So ZFS can ensure that bits-on-disk stay safe through checksums and mirr= oring / RAIDZ, while Gluster allows entire file servers to go offline and t= he files are still accessible because you have a kind of network-level RAID= going on. This also helps in performance since instead of clients pounding= on one file server (as usually happens with NFS), every write is sent to m= any data nodes so you're striping across many network elements. Think of it= as NFS on steroids. > > I don't know that new work in distributed filesystems, like Ceph > (http://ceph.com/), is inherently tied to Linux, but more that devs are > choosing Linux as a platform on which to build awesome projects. The question to ask here is what utilities, APIs, and features does Linux have which cause developers to use it instead and what could we do about it? --=20 Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 03:52:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FFE1065675; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223438FC19; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q523qbBZ067502; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:52:37 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q523qb4u067496; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:52:37 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 03:52:37 GMT Message-Id: <201206020352.q523qb4u067496@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 03:52:38 -0000 TB --- 2012-06-02 00:42:59 - 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PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-02 03:46:23 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 03:46:23 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 03:46:23 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 03:46:23 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-02 03:46:23 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 03:46:23 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-02 03:46:23 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sat Jun 2 03:46:23 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/mp_cpudep.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch32.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-06-02 03:52:37 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-02 03:52:37 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 03:52:37 - 7802.70 user 1038.86 system 11377.53 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 04:19:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC081065670; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA748FC08; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so1783733qcs.13 for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:19:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yc/OukTmTJpyn+PQI6o6v2qL/kiXfS0wpP7s9u2G9qU=; b=C/WNfHZJgZvp1rUgLns6AXqZm74OcyRB0JBpImmKwiZf12nan+F3SvoDKoxcoNADHK CjObx2msIjIZV4+44pf/DCrkRoDxsSO/Iqxe5ffxYYgitEUs9wU0tGTs0uizKa8ZCZ5h HTZGbp4ZOgSSdUq68YTIHcOeGR71Asqw4u8fsfHgHl9A6FtdzwPDrRJxl1MrwTE7ruHB nd9rld9vR6NQXysx44IV5FFo9nC/UnF7yRSX+MdhrzGiL4jl2aDIHWXDyyPj36eBj5OL PYBlhZ5nCSnV/ujBAFtU/gPyYIcSrIr4aRmP/3/BF1zQf/Smci3jFLKPKwq3g9+M01vP uvsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.135.16 with SMTP id l16mr1567269qct.135.1338610755633; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.20.148 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.20.148 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:19:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120602032529.GE1377@glenbarber.us> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> <20120602032529.GE1377@glenbarber.us> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 21:19:15 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: David Magda , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 04:19:18 -0000 On Jun 1, 2012 8:27 PM, "Glen Barber" wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 11:14:10PM -0400, David Magda wrote: > > ZFS is for storing file systems on locally connected block devices. > > Gluster is a network file system where data can be distributed over > > many nodes. > > > > Pardon my ignorance to not knowing what gluster is, but is this > conceptually similar to HAST? Similar in concept, but different layers in the storage stack. HAST sits between the physical disks and the filesystem, replicating data between two systems. So, disks -- HAST -- ZFS. Glustre sits above the storage system, replicating data between systems. So, disks -- ZFS (via Zvols) -- Glustre. The primary difference is that HAST provides only a single master node that all I/O goes through. The filesystem(s) above HAST cannot be mounted on more than one host. I/O is limited to what the master can handle. Glustre is distributed across hosts, so I/O is multiplied (to some extent), and data is accessible across multiple hosts. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 04:42:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EDD1065670 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389088FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.68.136.207] (digsys207-136.pip.digsys.bg [193.68.136.207]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q524gKUO017255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:42:21 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <31DFBF41-37EC-43CF-A555-2D4E46F1F6E2@ee.ryerson.ca> In-Reply-To: <31DFBF41-37EC-43CF-A555-2D4E46F1F6E2@ee.ryerson.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Daniel Kalchev Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:42:27 +0300 To: David Magda Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 04:42:27 -0000 On 02.06.2012, at 03:06, David Magda wrote: > On Jun 1, 2012, at 08:33, Daniel Kalchev wrote: >=20 >> For example if one wants an e-mail server, that is better served in the l= ong run by IMAP+MTA than any form of Exchange, because you are not tied to o= ne single platform and that vendor's lunacy. Otherwise FreeBSD runs just fin= e as server for about any other OS client, provided those clients use standa= rd Internet protocols. >=20 > If all you want is e-mail, then there are certainly better options than Ex= change IMHO. However, once you get into calendars (private and shared, with d= elegation to secretaries, etc.), meeting rooms, ActiveSync (to remotely wipe= lost devices), then it's a whole different game. There are a lot of open source calendaring applications, of all kinds. Most r= un fine on FreeBSD. I really see no reason why your 'mail or calendaring server' should be able t= o wipe your devices.. This is the sort of bloat that keeps me away. =46rom M= icrosoft products. >=20 > E-mail was solved a long time ago, but Exchange does many things on top of= it that many organizations find very handy, and where there doesn't seem to= be a decent open alternative. >=20 Hope you are not of the opinion that first there was Exchange, then all othe= r e-mail servers appeared, "copying" it. History was exactly the other way a= round. We were using it long before Microsoft discovered this Internet thing= exists and first tried to kill it. Again it is not about open source. It is about non-proprietary protocols. Al= l proprietary platforms turn to be more expensive in every respect in a whil= e. In this regard I rather prefer the way Apple handles things. Shiny wrapper i= nterface to pretty much generic technology. No reinvention of the wheel and e= xperiments to see if it can be made square. Daniel= From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 04:44:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222FE106566B; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:44:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A558FC1A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q524iBkK085746; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:44:11 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q524iBha085745; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:44:11 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:44:11 GMT Message-Id: <201206020444.q524iBha085745@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 04:44:12 -0000 TB --- 2012-06-02 01:12:40 - 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/usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC64 TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - building GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-02 04:39:03 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC64 >>> Kernel build for GENERIC64 started on Sat Jun 2 04:39:03 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/slb.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch64.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc64/src/sys/GENERIC64. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-06-02 04:44:11 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-02 04:44:11 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 04:44:11 - 8857.28 user 1231.69 system 12690.80 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 04:51:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8906A106566B; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6698FC0A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 04:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.68.136.207] (digsys207-136.pip.digsys.bg [193.68.136.207]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q524otEd017277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:50:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> <20120602032529.GE1377@glenbarber.us> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <5C21CA77-966F-4012-9D32-9507ABAD6747@digsys.bg> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: Daniel Kalchev Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:51:03 +0300 To: Freddie Cash Cc: Glen Barber , David Magda , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 04:51:00 -0000 On 02.06.2012, at 07:19, Freddie Cash wrote: >=20 > Glustre sits above the storage system, replicating data between systems. > So, disks -- ZFS (via Zvols) -- Glustre. >=20 How is this different than ZFS using remote zvols via iSCSI? Can it tolerate= down nodes better than ZFS? Daniel= From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 05:22:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67A1106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 05:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (pancho.soaustin.net [76.74.250.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855688FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 05:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id EBBC456205; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:22:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 00:22:28 -0500 From: Mark Linimon To: Nomen Nescio Message-ID: <20120602052228.GA6624@lonesome.com> References: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 05:22:29 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:20:39PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: > Maybe FreeBSD should consider migrating to pkgsrc? I'm not arguing that your other points are invalid (in particular, I agree that the xorg change was really painful, and for a long time amd64 lagged i386 badly), but there is one very major blocker for this particular idea. If you browse the following URL: http://wiki.freebsd.org/PackageSystemsComparison You'll see that pkgsrc is around 12k packages. Although our graph is stale, per the portsmon/FreshPorts URLs, we're approaching 24k ports. So: while it's been suggested before, it's not really workable. mcl From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 06:23:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989D7106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 06:23:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Received: from eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (ee.ryerson.ca [141.117.1.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC7D8FC1A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 06:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (bas2-toronto09-1176130977.dsl.bell.ca [70.26.85.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by eccles.ee.ryerson.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q526NNPO045885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 02:23:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dmagda@ee.ryerson.ca) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Magda In-Reply-To: <5C21CA77-966F-4012-9D32-9507ABAD6747@digsys.bg> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 02:23:24 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> <20120602032529.GE1377@glenbarber.us> <5C21CA77-966F-4012-9D32-9507ABAD6747@digsys.bg> To: Daniel Kalchev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:23:40 -0000 On Jun 2, 2012, at 00:51, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > On 02.06.2012, at 07:19, Freddie Cash wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> Glustre sits above the storage system, replicating data between = systems. >> So, disks -- ZFS (via Zvols) -- Glustre. >>=20 >=20 > How is this different than ZFS using remote zvols via iSCSI? Can it = tolerate down nodes better than ZFS? Gluster ~ NFS++. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 07:31:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AA2106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:31:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from M.Santhoff@web.de) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.17.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478318FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.3] ([217.254.3.49]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MTxxp-1SRgBQ3ZC5-00QnM1 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:18:46 +0200 From: Marc Santhoff To: freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: <20120601175645.GP42080@manor.msen.com> References: <20120601175645.GP42080@manor.msen.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:21:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1338621668.23072.12.camel@zaphod.das.netz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:4z0o6iBRehIodqOHeZ/vJf5iQw5GRWVBQi6it/Ar+Wk VVHTw/egR3AvUpDAzYWYBCc4gaNKWZPyc9NQ8s23mMefDpX225 10ss09hFv9CKjM0wwVrLk/RTM7267Gkq7Z52+94I79Zm7M0/lG NUyRawJtD/n1H/Lmzu5+NydIXmJJV5F5ta1KJpls9zrN/QwHi8 xN588yPv7PgvYUFimAFVw== Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 07:31:42 -0000 Am Freitag, den 01.06.2012, 13:56 -0400 schrieb Michael R. Wayne: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:03:26AM -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > > If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please > > list those areas with most important first to least important last ? > > As mentioned by several others, once you have a single applicaiton > that demands Windows, you are mostly stuck running windows. I was used to thinking the same way, but today there is VirtualBox and it does very well. More simple applications work fine using wine, that keeps you from having to install a complete Windows-OS. I do not use FreeBSD when it comes to running hardware dependent WIndows programs in a virtual box. But to be fair I have to mention that things are getting better, the most gadgets do work even without windows - like DMMs (digital multimeters), suport for video and tv hardware has gotten much better. Where I have to leave FreeBSD it's mostly because of fast USB2 tranfers, a DSO (digital storage oscilloscope) is one of those cases that refuse to work inside a vbox, although the device itself is found and attached. Those are the last few issues stopping me from deleting the Windows partition^wslice on my desktop machine. Well done! -- Marc Santhoff From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 08:14:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396E9106566B; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:14:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFE58FC0C; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkvi18 with SMTP id i18so3191291bkv.13 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:14:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bO69qolTrnf/xnQ1yp82qV7hK4nnmmZNkXjv5FeRTx0=; b=JRBu3ycj51DYNdCQUQseljT2TODVf9nMiHlHuYgB28FvLFQw9r82GtJXWqP6mxKT30 OwwEsb0TY6SKndLJkB0aRjEzGYi+7VfNL5nhEgBqQuNKT6wpriZWvLaiQbACETx6xvai oZ39TleX5nt1QRQnSYapdRX2MgGQfAOpG8ylXtL/2YliZySYisbw2Bc0Tc69DNJIQ1IG tS5uy0fshGK/PAWjP6a+sFjbPGNh4oCaSmsIjo5f1y4zL4q+gJB6Z1S0F9NmZ1q/qvgM V0XNEADJ0ScvJ/aNUvc0YkqYl6IisVpnqJ8g/kJ4wNpHfu2m5+Ek7rCH9YKHa8nUxof+ ekqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.69 with SMTP id v5mr3246346bkw.133.1338624868360; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 01:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.171.138 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.171.138 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 01:14:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2189681.al9jQ9fsnP@x220.ovitrap.com> References: <2189681.al9jQ9fsnP@x220.ovitrap.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:14:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: David Chisnall , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:14:30 -0000 On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, "Erich Dollansky" wrote: > > Hi, > > On 30 May 2012 PM 7:20:31 David Chisnall wrote: > > > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? > > > > I must say that it is a long time ago when I sat at the first BSD machine. The most important feature is the configuration and the update procedure. Things rarely change in a way that users have to relearn. > > It is also important that it is possible to use a machine and upgrade it only every six or twelve months without facing fundamental problems. What helps there that the user can define a branch (8.x or 9.x) and stick with it as long it is supported. The users are not forced to move to the next version which might introduces some changes the user is not used to it. > > This allows users to skip one main branch. While it is possible to stick with 8 until 10 is released, it is also possible to move to 9 or even 10. Sticking with 8 reduces the risk to get caught with some problems during the upgrade by some 50% > > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic library will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I expressed this already many time here. It would be of advantage if the ports tree would also have tags like the base system itself. > Unfortunately this is a massive amount of extra work - we only just keep up with updates as it is. Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 08:38:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A4B1065672 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:38:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hal@elizium.za.net) Received: from squishy.elizium.za.net (squishy.elizium.za.net [80.68.90.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18C28FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from squishy.elizium.za.net (squishy.elizium.za.net [80.68.90.178]) by squishy.elizium.za.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F03D481EF; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:28:09 +0200 (SAST) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:28:06 +0200 From: Hugo Lombard To: Dave Hayes Message-ID: <20120602082806.GJ3408@squishy.elizium.za.net> References: <201206020012.q520CEcf057568@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201206020012.q520CEcf057568@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:38:06 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:12:14PM -0700, Dave Hayes wrote: > > 1) I don't use FreeBSD for virtualization as the host OS. I really want > to, becaus I want to be able to somewhat trust the kernel hosting my > virtual machines. FreeBSD technology, support, and documentation for > this idea appears unavailable. > Perhaps the BSD Hypervisor (BHyVe) might be of interest? http://wiki.freebsd.org/BHyVe A caveat: "BHyVe requires Intel CPUs with VT-x and NPT support. These features are on all Nehalem models and beyond (e.g. SandyBridge), but not on the lower-end Atom CPUs." -- Hugo Lombard From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 09:46:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB94106566B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD6C8FC16 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 09:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1Sakc4-0005w4-Nl>; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:27:12 +0200 Received: from e178028047.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.28.47] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1Sakc4-0006XY-Gx>; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:27:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4FC9DC69.6090907@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:27:05 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120601 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> <20120601194621.GA83046@e-new.0x20.net> In-Reply-To: <20120601194621.GA83046@e-new.0x20.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig755C0B8F8FDDDA269E806171" X-Originating-IP: 85.178.28.47 Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 09:46:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig755C0B8F8FDDDA269E806171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/01/12 21:46, Lars Engels wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 08:32:08PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 1 June 2012 16:20, Nomen Nescio wrote: >>>> Dear All , >>>> >>>> There is a thread >>>> >>>> "Why Are You Using FreeBSD ?" >>>> >>>> >>>> I think another thread with the specified subject '"Why Are You NO= T Using >>>> FreeBSD ?" may be useful : >>>> >>>> >>>> If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you = please >>>> list those areas with most important first to least important last ?= 1a) On "scietific production systems", FreeBSD has been banned due to the lack of HPC compilers and appropriate mathematical libraries. The lack of professional/academic support, like that from NAG in the late 1990s, has been droped for FreeBSD as well as the presence of C/C++/F95 compilers. 1b) The lack of GPGPU. This has become so important to HPC these days. We use nVidia GPU based TESLA boards with OpenCL software (CUDA is luckily not necessary). The lack of professional drivers for 64Bit on FreeBSD was long time an issue, nVidia now provides drivers, but they don't provide their CUDA/OpenCL libraries along with their nvcc compiler natively for 64Bit FreeBSD/amd64. The Linuxulator isn't any option. 2) Disk and network I/O issues under load. We realized that FreeBSD has some issues in multithreaded environments. Even on 6/12 or 12/24 core/thread systems, under heavy load (especially network and CPU load), disk I/O was (is?) poor. This is a no-go in a HPC environment. 3) Outdated ports OR not available ports: some important software maintained by the US government (USGS, NASA/JPL) is only provided for Mac OS X and some Linux derivatives. We created our own ports for some of those, but maintaining these, especially those provided by the USGS (ISIS3) is hard work. Other software, like the AMES StereoPipeline, seems to be crippled by intention when it comes to the sources (essential portions are "vanished" in the repositories). Developers are unwilling - by intention, lack of time or lack of capabilities. 4) The lack of clustering capabilities. The lack of a clustered filesystem grows more and more important in the area of HPC, where storage systems get spread over a department. I lost track in the development on FreeBSD since around 2003. At the moment, for me personally this issue isn't so important, but in combination with items 1) through 3) and the migration towards Linux (we use prefereably Ubuntu server, some Suse and on some servers CentOS/RedHat, which suffers from the Linux-narrowminded deseas as well, in my opinion, but you'll get support by Dell and others - in times of strangling contracts, a more and more restricted freedom of science in favor of "business" ... another story ...) Well, item 3 isn't a real FreeBSD issue. I have the impression that since the good old UNIX times, mid 1990s, a deadly Virus spread around called Linux, attracting development schemata known from Microsoft/Windows: narrow minded Linux-only sources, nearsighted development, shortcuts due to political reasons, even if the sources are available for all. I regret this development of "open software" very deeply and it is not the *BSD UNIX developers fault (excluding item 1 and 2, that are political issues and a burden of the BSD folks having made political decissions in the past!). I do not speak for my department and I do not speak for my colleagues. I speka for myself and my opinion. Personally, I use FreeBSD private and under my desk - and I really suffer from the lack of GPGPU, since even some opensource, high performance software like "Blender" benefetis tremendously from using CUDA/OpenCL if GPU is available. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:31:23 -0000 Hi, On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: > On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, "Erich Dollansky" > wrote: > > > > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to > the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic > library will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I > expressed this already many time here. It would be of advantage if the > ports tree would also have tags like the base system itself. > > > > Unfortunately this is a massive amount of extra work - we only just keep up > with updates as it is. I do not think so. At least not for the first step as I see it. Just make snapshots of the ports tree when the release comes out. These snapshots are with the releases anyway. What I did was very simple. I got the ports tree that comes with the release and installed the system back to the release status. Ok, it was some work for me - maybe not for others - to find this tree. A simple link could help here. I do not know if this is just an opinion which is too optimistic. What I know is that all the security fixes which appeared since the release are not in there. If I have the choice between three days or more of compiling and known security holes, I will take the security holes, make the client happy and upgrade after the work for the client is finished. I would not expect that FreeBSD will provide more than this. Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 10:37:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91BB1065676 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:37:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6628D8FC27 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52AbFgn018306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:37:16 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC9ECDB.30707@digsys.bg> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:37:15 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Magda References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> <20120602032529.GE1377@glenbarber.us> <5C21CA77-966F-4012-9D32-9507ABAD6747@digsys.bg> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:37:25 -0000 On 02.06.12 09:23, David Magda wrote: > On Jun 2, 2012, at 00:51, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > >> On 02.06.2012, at 07:19, Freddie Cash wrote: >> >>> Glustre sits above the storage system, replicating data between systems. >>> So, disks -- ZFS (via Zvols) -- Glustre. >>> >> How is this different than ZFS using remote zvols via iSCSI? Can it tolerate down nodes better than ZFS? > Gluster ~ NFS++. So Gluster is basically ZFS with NFS frontend? Something readily available in FreeBSD. The clients don't even have to learn new file sharing protocol. Daniel From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 10:39:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90108106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:39:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8AC8FC1B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc11-cwma8-2-0-cust430.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com [82.11.219.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52AdLVP026167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:39:22 GMT (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <2189681.al9jQ9fsnP@x220.ovitrap.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:39:16 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4B0A0556-D035-47F6-8EB9-9D6216FABFBE@freebsd.org> References: <2189681.al9jQ9fsnP@x220.ovitrap.com> To: Erich Dollansky X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:39:31 -0000 On 2 Jun 2012, at 03:56, Erich Dollansky wrote: > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked = to the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a = basic library will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I = expressed this already many time here. It would be of advantage if the = ports tree would also have tags like the base system itself. OpenBSD did this for a while, but they gave up because they weren't = doing it well enough to recommend it and it did more harm to users to do = it badly than not at all. Ideally, you want to get security fixes for all installed applications, = but nothing else, in this model. There are two ways of doing this: - Back-port security fixes to the version shipped with the base system - Import the security-fixed version into the stable set. The second option has the problem that you identified: if the new = version depends on a newer library, then this cascades and you end up = needing to import a new version of hundreds of ports. =20 The first option has a much simpler disadvantage: it requires a huge = amount of manpower. Companies like Red Hat can do this because they = charge their users a lot for this service. We could probably do this if = we had enough users willing to pay for the service, or if we restrict it = to a set of packages that do their own security backports upstream. The problem with the second option can be alleviated if we make it = easier to have multiple versions of libraries installed at the same time = (this is something that the PBI system in PC-BSD does, albeit in an ugly = hackish way that could be improved significantly with a bit of = assistance from rtld). =20 David= From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 11:00:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BC0106567B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B1D8FC0A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52B0LCq018375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:00:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC9F245.8030300@digsys.bg> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:00:21 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> <20120601194621.GA83046@e-new.0x20.net> <4FC9DC69.6090907@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <4FC9DC69.6090907@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:00:28 -0000 On 02.06.12 12:27, O. Hartmann wrote: > > 1a) On "scietific production systems", FreeBSD has been banned due to > the lack of HPC compilers and appropriate mathematical libraries. The > lack of professional/academic support, like that from NAG in the late > 1990s, has been droped for FreeBSD as well as the presence of C/C++/F95 > compilers. Could you please elaborate on this a bit. "Scientific" software, as such rarely depends on any hardware and should be practically OS agnostic. What are these libraries, that "scientific production systems" use that cannot be used on FreeBSD? Same about support. If someone supports an "scientific" library on an OS, chances are they can support it on FreeBSD just as well, except if they are religious fanatics, that is. FreeBSD has always had more or less recent compilers available. Perhaps, not in the base system. As you say, this issue is strictly political (to not have "cuitting edge" [double the quote, for more pun] compilers). The policy with FreeBSD is stability over all else and that the base must be able to compile itself -- this is what any UNIX system is supposed to handle, but that's another long story. The recent developments with clang/llvm are very promising as well. I can hardly imagine it being that difficult to maintain an "advanced" compiler around just to compile your highly specific code. Further, recent gcc is in ports anyway. > 1b) The lack of GPGPU. This has become so important to HPC these days. > We use nVidia GPU based TESLA boards with OpenCL software (CUDA is > luckily not necessary). The lack of professional drivers for 64Bit on > FreeBSD was long time an issue, nVidia now provides drivers, but they > don't provide their CUDA/OpenCL libraries along with their nvcc compiler > natively for 64Bit FreeBSD/amd64. The Linuxulator isn't any option. This one is regrettable. Outside of the "scientific" usage, it could let desktop users offload a lot of processing to their (in most cases more powerful than the CPU, video controller). But how is this FreeBSD fault? I would attribute it more to inability of nVidia programmers, or their lack of resources (I doubt that many people do driver development there anyway) as the reason why we don't see it. If they have scarce resources available, it's understandable why they do not see the immediate need to port their code to FreeBSD. I am confident, given this hardware is not that cheap, that any bigger user asking for FreeBSD support could motivate them to just do it. I also believe there is nothing hidden in FreeBSD and that in general FreeBSD has been more stable API-wise than other UNIX platforms around. And, I also believe should there be interest from nVidia, tey will see support and help from FreeBSD developers. Or they could just release their hardware spec, if they can't do it themselves for one reason or another. After all, much more complex tasks have been resolved with FreeBSD. > 2) Disk and network I/O issues under load. We realized that FreeBSD has > some issues in multithreaded environments. Even on 6/12 or 12/24 > core/thread systems, under heavy load (especially network and CPU load), > disk I/O was (is?) poor. This is a no-go in a HPC environment. Could you please elaborate on this a bit? On one hand, I am surprised that the HPC environment will have such requirements and on the other hand this is how typical higher-end storage systems are built with FreeBSD. I haven't seen anything like this and am willing to test on 24-32 core systems. You said this is political for FreeBSD .. why? I don't get it? FreeBSD has no policy of failing under heavy load -- quite the contrary. > 3) Outdated ports OR not available ports: some important software > maintained by the US government (USGS, NASA/JPL) is only provided for > Mac OS X and some Linux derivatives. This may be for many, many reasons, including (most often and most unfortunately) licensing. But there is not much anyone working with FreeBSD can do, except create an port, if the license permits. If the license does not permit this software run on FreeBSD -- then probably the only choice is to try and persuade it's author. If it runs on OS X, chances are it will run on FreeBSD with very little effort. (except if it relies heavily on Cocoa) > 4) The lack of clustering capabilities. The lack of a clustered > filesystem grows more and more important in the area of HPC, where > storage systems get spread over a department. I lost track in the > development on FreeBSD since around 2003. At the moment, for me > personally this issue isn't so important, but in combination with items > 1) through 3) and the migration towards Linux (we use prefereably Ubuntu > server, some Suse and on some servers CentOS/RedHat, which suffers from > the Linux-narrowminded deseas as well, in my opinion, but you'll get > support by Dell and others - in times of strangling contracts, a more > and more restricted freedom of science in favor of "business" ... > another story ...) Can you explain on this too? What kind of clustering filesystem you need? FreeBSD doesn't do bad in the storage area and in fact many (most?) commercial storage solutions are built on top of FreeBSD. Daniel From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 11:01:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D522106564A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2378FC12; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.201.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q52B18uK004623; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 05:01:09 -0600 From: Erich To: David Chisnall Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:01:07 +0700 Message-ID: <6191688.crkJlBlM9r@x220.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.3 (Linux/3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64; KDE/4.8.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4B0A0556-D035-47F6-8EB9-9D6216FABFBE@freebsd.org> References: <2189681.al9jQ9fsnP@x220.ovitrap.com> <4B0A0556-D035-47F6-8EB9-9D6216FABFBE@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:01:10 -0000 Hi, On 02 June 2012 AM 11:39:16 David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Jun 2012, at 03:56, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic library will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I expressed this already many time here. It would be of advantage if the ports tree would also have tags like the base system itself. > > OpenBSD did this for a while, but they gave up because they weren't doing it well enough to recommend it and it did more harm to users to do it badly than not at all. > > Ideally, you want to get security fixes for all installed applications, but nothing else, in this model. There are two ways of doing this: > I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade like what is happening at the moment with PNG dependent ports. As situations like this are rarely needed, I would not push for a fully secured system. Do not see it too complicated what I want. It is really just a system I can fall back at the spot if things got complicated with with a csup the new ports tree just to get something installed. A user who really wants to run a totally outdated system should know what he/she is doing and not complain when things go wrong. > - Back-port security fixes to the version shipped with the base system > - Import the security-fixed version into the stable set. > > The second option has the problem that you identified: if the new version depends on a newer library, then this cascades and you end up needing to import a new version of hundreds of ports. > > The first option has a much simpler disadvantage: it requires a huge amount of manpower. Companies like Red Hat can do this because they charge their users a lot for this service. We could probably do this if we had enough users willing to pay for the service, or if we restrict it to a set of packages that do their own security backports upstream. > > The problem with the second option can be alleviated if we make it easier to have multiple versions of libraries installed at the same time (this is something that the PBI system in PC-BSD does, albeit in an ugly hackish way that could be improved significantly with a bit of assistance from rtld). > This would be ideal anyway and also most likely avoid the cause for going back. Just keep both versions in the system and let the system decide which one to use. Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 11:03:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FA9106566C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from glenbarber.us (onyx.glenbarber.us [199.48.134.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F4AF8FC12 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30877 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2012 07:03:11 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO glenbarber.us) (76.124.49.145) by 0 with SMTP; 2 Jun 2012 07:03:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:03:09 -0400 From: Glen Barber To: Freddie Cash Message-ID: <20120602110309.GA1722@glenbarber.us> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> <20120601131236.GJ8591@macbook.bluepipe.net> <20120602010346.GA27660@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> <4D744565-4073-485E-B769-82BE1F7E2C0A@ee.ryerson.ca> <20120602032529.GE1377@glenbarber.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, David Magda Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:03:12 -0000 On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 09:19:15PM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance to not knowing what gluster is, but is this > > conceptually similar to HAST? > > Similar in concept, but different layers in the storage stack. > > HAST sits between the physical disks and the filesystem, replicating data > between two systems. So, disks -- HAST -- ZFS. > Got it, thanks. However, HAST is not specifically ZFS. (Just pointing it out.) Glen From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 11:04:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824601065674 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:04:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354E28FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc11-cwma8-2-0-cust430.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com [82.11.219.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52B4WP2026262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:04:33 GMT (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <6191688.crkJlBlM9r@x220.ovitrap.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:04:26 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <767C3A2A-C896-44A1-9D2E-17B139C9047E@freebsd.org> References: <2189681.al9jQ9fsnP@x220.ovitrap.com> <4B0A0556-D035-47F6-8EB9-9D6216FABFBE@freebsd.org> <6191688.crkJlBlM9r@x220.ovitrap.com> To: Erich X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:04:34 -0000 On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: > I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security = fixes just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried = an upgrade like what is happening at the moment with PNG dependent = ports. You have this already. Just install the ports tree snapshot from the = release... David= From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 11:05:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004321065673 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:05:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789A78FC17 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52B5qdF018409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:05:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC9F390.8030507@digsys.bg> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:05:52 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20120601175645.GP42080@manor.msen.com> <1338621668.23072.12.camel@zaphod.das.netz> In-Reply-To: <1338621668.23072.12.camel@zaphod.das.netz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:05:56 -0000 On 02.06.12 10:21, Marc Santhoff wrote: > Am Freitag, den 01.06.2012, 13:56 -0400 schrieb Michael R. Wayne: >> On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:03:26AM -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >>> If you are NOT using FreeBSD for any area or some areas , would you please >>> list those areas with most important first to least important last ? >> As mentioned by several others, once you have a single applicaiton >> that demands Windows, you are mostly stuck running windows. > I was used to thinking the same way, but today there is VirtualBox and > it does very well. More simple applications work fine using wine, that > keeps you from having to install a complete Windows-OS. I want to second this. For me, until recently the only Windows computer was an laptop. I was thinking along the same lines (being primary BSD UNIX for everything for over 20 years) - if you need Windows software, run it on Windows. But, I was more and more pissed of this stuff and eventually brought myself an Macbook. Never touched the Windows laptop ever since. Any "windows only" software that comes across, of any kind, runs in VirtualBox on either FreeBSD or OS X. No issues of any kind. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 11:19:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2244A1065670; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:19:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CCC8FC08; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.201.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q52BJtcB008392; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 05:19:55 -0600 From: Erich To: David Chisnall Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:19:49 +0700 Message-ID: <3017575.RIUM0zXKy0@x220.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.3 (Linux/3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64; KDE/4.8.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <767C3A2A-C896-44A1-9D2E-17B139C9047E@freebsd.org> References: <6191688.crkJlBlM9r@x220.ovitrap.com> <767C3A2A-C896-44A1-9D2E-17B139C9047E@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:19:57 -0000 Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: > > > I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade like what is happening at the moment with PNG dependent ports. > > You have this already. Just install the ports tree snapshot from the release... I know. I just what I would like to get is a direct method also people who are just basic users can use it without many problems. Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 11:50:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E5B106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA958FC1D for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpc11-cwma8-2-0-cust430.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com [82.11.219.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52BoLQ8026399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:50:28 GMT (envelope-from theraven@freebsd.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <3017575.RIUM0zXKy0@x220.ovitrap.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:50:16 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6191688.crkJlBlM9r@x220.ovitrap.com> <767C3A2A-C896-44A1-9D2E-17B139C9047E@freebsd.org> <3017575.RIUM0zXKy0@x220.ovitrap.com> To: Erich X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:50:30 -0000 On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:19, Erich wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote: >> On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: >>=20 >>> I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security = fixes just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried = an upgrade like what is happening at the moment with PNG dependent = ports. >>=20 >> You have this already. Just install the ports tree snapshot from the = release... >=20 > I know. I just what I would like to get is a direct method also people = who are just basic users can use it without many problems. Run sysinstall, point it at the release CD / DVD, say 'install ports = tree'... Encouraging basic users to run insecure versions of applications, = however, is something that I would strongly object to. David= From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 11:53:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8EE1065670 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:53:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126D48FC14 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52BrmnQ018532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:53:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:48 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <2189681.al9jQ9fsnP@x220.ovitrap.com> <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 11:53:58 -0000 On 02.06.12 12:42, Erich Dollansky wrote: > On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: >> On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, "Erich Dollansky" >> wrote: >>> But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to >> the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic >> library will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I >> expressed this already many time here. It would be of advantage if the >> ports tree would also have tags like the base system itself. >> Unfortunately this is a massive amount of extra work - we only just keep up >> with updates as it is. > I do not think so. At least not for the first step as I see it. Just make snapshots of the ports tree when the release comes out. These snapshots are with the releases anyway. > > What I did was very simple. I got the ports tree that comes with the release and installed the system back to the release status. Ok, it was some work for me - maybe not for others - to find this tree. > > A simple link could help here. > > I do not know if this is just an opinion which is too optimistic. > But this functionality is already here. As I mentioned earlier, FreeBSD is not an end-user product, but rather a software platform and a kit that you can use to assemble pretty much what you can imagine. Here is one example, how to handle the 'port problem'. The example is with BSDRP: http://bsdrp.net/ This is an nanoBSD based system, that you can build yourself. For example, the 31 May 2012 svn code sets this environment variable PORTS_DATE="date=2012.05.31.00.00.00" to pull the ports tree with that particular date (when it was tested to build sucessfuly) It then proceeds to download it's own copy of /usr/src and /usr/ports and uses these to build the complete installation. More or less, controlled environment. The /usr/src of -stable/-current and /usr/ports are in fact moving target. If you are uncomfortable with that, just sync to some date and you will have that date's snapshot and therefore known state. Most people who are bitten by the 'sudden change in ports' are just ignoring this option. You don't have to use the (arguable old) 'release' ports tree. Ports get fixed/adapted for the new version usually months after release. Daniel From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 12:03:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7861065676 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (bigknife-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f10:75::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DCD8FC1C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ralph.baldwin.cx (c-68-39-198-164.hsd1.de.comcast.net [68.39.198.164]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F09CB95E; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 08:03:11 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 07:34:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.0-STABLE; KDE/4.7.4; amd64; ; ) References: <1338158623.3702.5.camel@powernoodle-l7> In-Reply-To: <1338158623.3702.5.camel@powernoodle-l7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201206020734.58385.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Sat, 02 Jun 2012 08:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Sean Bruno Subject: Re: [stable 9]Dell R620 Ethernet Ordering X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:03:12 -0000 On Sunday, May 27, 2012 06:43:43 PM Sean Bruno wrote: > I'm trying to understand the newbus and acpi interactions on this Dell > R620 that result in the Broadcom adapter board being probed "backwards" > or just plain out of order in comparison to the connector layout and the > linux tg3 driver. > > We seem to be detecting PCI0:2:0 before PCI0:1:0. This seems odd to me. > When I replace the broadcom daughter card with an intel daughter card, > this does not show up, so I assume either a malfunction of the Dell ACPI > tables or the bge(4) driver. Oof, you confused me. You are detecting bus PCI domain 0 bus 1 after PCI domain 0 bus 2. A dmesg would be more useful here. FreeBSD walks the PCI tree in a deterministic depth-first order, and we enumerate host bridges in the order ACPI enumerates them. Looking at the ACPI dump, you have 3 host bridges, PCI bus 0, and two uncore busses for your CPU sockets. So busses 1 and 2 must be children of bus 0. It would seem that bus 2 comes before bus 1 on PCI bus 0. You can tell this by seeing what the parent pcibX device of busses 1 and 2 are and looking at the address of that pcibX device on PCI bus 0. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 12:27:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C251065670; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:27:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B9C8FC18; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.201.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q52CR0tv022308; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 06:27:03 -0600 From: Erich To: David Chisnall Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:26:59 +0700 Message-ID: <3545600.mX08jxxXTu@x220.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.3 (Linux/3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64; KDE/4.8.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <3017575.RIUM0zXKy0@x220.ovitrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:27:06 -0000 Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 12:50:16 David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:19, Erich wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote: > >> On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: > >> > >>> I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade like what is happening at the moment with PNG dependent ports. > >> > >> You have this already. Just install the ports tree snapshot from the release... > > > > I know. I just what I would like to get is a direct method also people who are just basic users can use it without many problems. > > Run sysinstall, point it at the release CD / DVD, say 'install ports tree'... how old will the last tree then be? All I want to suggest that this can be downloaded directly via the Internet. > > Encouraging basic users to run insecure versions of applications, however, is something that I would strongly object to. > What will a new user do when faced with this situation? Just go back to what ever system was installed before and keep the fingers off FreeBSD as it seemed too difficult to find a solution for a small problem. It is like selling sharp knifes. There will be always the risk that people will get killed by the knife. But there are still sharp knifes available in shops. Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 12:33:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FC6106566C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com) Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B42C8FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.201.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q52CWqeH023651; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 06:32:54 -0600 From: Erich To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:32:51 +0700 Message-ID: <3303845.JjFTmctz7f@x220.ovitrap.com> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.3 (Linux/3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64; KDE/4.8.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> References: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Daniel Kalchev Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:33:15 -0000 Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 2:53:48 Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > You don't have to use the (arguable old) 'release' ports tree. Ports get > fixed/adapted for the new version usually months after release. > I think we are talking here about two totally different problems. Your hint with sysinstall would do the same when the CD is available. Very, very simple and only for things went wrong. You are thinking of a much more complex solution. I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution. Or do I see this really too simple? Erich From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 12:47:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE37106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Received: from smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (smtp-sofia.digsys.bg [193.68.3.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8538FC12 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dcave.digsys.bg (dcave.digsys.bg [192.92.129.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-sofia.digsys.bg (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52ClR2d018708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:47:27 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from daniel@digsys.bg) Message-ID: <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 15:47:27 +0300 From: Daniel Kalchev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120528 Thunderbird/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> <3303845.JjFTmctz7f@x220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <3303845.JjFTmctz7f@x220.ovitrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 12:47:32 -0000 On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: > I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution. > > Or do I see this really too simple? The ports tree is a moving target during release periods still, although there are efforts to make movements smaller. This is why, after a release it suddenly moves more :) Daniel From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 13:07:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3415C1065673 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yerenkow@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCF88FC14 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obcni5 with SMTP id ni5so5646024obc.13 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:07:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=V88NaYFkoa0wwHGpF0SoL3bh19ZNmXKLPsQ9W9XJ9r0=; b=Uh9DwZzoTt1IjFIQp/+S6lPquZ2kbUPfHWZhlKmEDg+eqfdAii1Hf8QRSWyH5BtS4+ WxWEBRhcVWGaMyX5WxxbzIY8aY9O8iR3mm3ec85u40W/0LNFSOAHwxkQLhfjH65N/qr8 S56R79qKtLCmXQOjsDMuGkaB0LTT6gKlMyMfiQlOi56hX0/p4BwfJn8RFymbYxpsmI8s JWR51Q1H9rmt2rjQoH0+IJuOPzpQyo4LacF69U8merMDMoFi2TVW4VmTAyWVEM51k2g4 EORLuCx8CKqdIMoT60QALQrwDFKEW0JiVRWV1f+uDl9UYqbo9keXMJYf6BBdiqhebG7n MtDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.22.38 with SMTP id a6mr6243000oef.32.1338642443348; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 06:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.22.231 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 06:07:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FC9F245.8030300@digsys.bg> References: <2730bd1bab4223e718193254cb8bbd60@dizum.com> <20120601194621.GA83046@e-new.0x20.net> <4FC9DC69.6090907@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4FC9F245.8030300@digsys.bg> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:07:23 +0300 Message-ID: From: Alexander Yerenkow To: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:07:24 -0000 I'll try to be short. I'm using FreeBSD both at servers and as a desktop, but I see struggling of my friends with it in some things. 1. Ports mess. You can very easily render system unusable, or broken if you trying to use latest ports. And then you had to became "a port master" to fix all. Of course you need a lot of free time, right? :) 2. No decent packet manager (I hope pkgng will make life easier). You can't just upgrade this and that packet and see what's new, and rollback if you don't like somthing . 3. "FreeBSD is not a linux" - so FreeBSD avoid linuxisms, like KMS etc. And when it became crystal clear that progress is inevitable, we need wait few more years to get new graphics working. Some time ago, I read somewhere on wiki proud phrase "We are more linux than linux itself", it was about LSB test or something similar. FreeBSD can deny linux ways, but it's here, and it's widespread standard (at least in comparing with FreeBSD). FreeBSD do really need those fancy new techs, at least which related to X/hardware. XEN is one more thing, which could be attractive, but there's not much progress. I don't say let's rewrite all as in linux. I'm saying about having copatibility layer a bit fresher. 4. NDIS is working, right? Why there's no L(inux)DIS :) For new hardware, like wifi's, networks,webcams,raids etc there some linux drivers. and no FreeBSD drivers. At all. And if you need one - "write one" or "wait please few years until someone look into it". 5. Name public person behind Microsoft? yes, there are one. And from Google? And from Oracle? And from GNU? And from Linux? Human nature is such that any company/big product is replaced in his mind with person, at least partially. And there's no person behind FreeBSD. There are many collaborators, who rarely well known in world as FreeBSD developer. And this is how it's affect reality: - Please, big boss, give me 10mil for new cluster system run on Linux. - What's Linux? - It's product developed for 20 years by Linus, and in recent years got support by many major world companies (long list goes here). - Ah, ok, here you go. - And also, big boss I need 50 thousands for FreeBSD cluster. - FreeBSD? What's this? - Ehm... it's a operating system, developed by many peoples, there are many good progammers (long list goes here) - You better buy a few more linuxes then. That could be PR issue anyway, but dirty politics rules the world, face it. 6. No "try-it" system for FreeBSD. No official virtual images (PC-BSD will fix the issue). No testing images for major changes, where's nightly builds with latest KDE/QT/KMS/new drivers? There's none, at least none automatic build. Yea, I know that's because there's no decent auto build system of such things. - I'm volunteer to test FreeBSD! - Ok, grab sources here, compile kernel, world, download ports, patch it with area51, try to build something, and rebuild all again (you too early build all, we just updated libXX*)... - Oh... ok. I'm volunteer to test Linux - Grab live image/virtual image, boot and poke programs. - Great, thanks! You can easily be involved in many programs development. Kdenlive - just another example how one program have own infrastructure to provide live images and virtual machine images, so any can try and test it. You could think I'm wrong, but FreeBSD have many problems as project, but it's all fixable. P.S. Of course FreeBSD is great, and I'm using it, and I glad that it here, and all developers are awesome, no offence here ;) -- Regards, Alexander Yerenkow From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 13:10:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B41106566C; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092C18FC18; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52DAYDX024681; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:10:34 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q52DAYHA024666; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:10:34 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:10:34 GMT Message-Id: <201206021310.q52DAYHA024666@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:10:35 -0000 TB --- 2012-06-02 10:02:07 - 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cd /src TB --- 2012-06-02 10:03:30 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Sat Jun 2 10:03:32 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Sat Jun 2 12:43:17 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-02 12:43:17 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-06-02 12:43:17 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-02 12:43:17 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-06-02 12:43:17 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-02 12:43:17 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-06-02 12:43:17 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 12:43:17 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-02 12:43:17 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-02 12:43:17 - 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TB --- 2012-06-02 13:10:34 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-02 13:10:34 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 13:10:34 - 7818.28 user 1045.17 system 11306.48 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 13:56:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2430106564A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704968FC0A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52DtxE8035441; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:55:59 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q52Dtx41035440; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:55:59 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 13:55:59 GMT Message-Id: <201206021355.q52Dtx41035440@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 13:56:00 -0000 TB --- 2012-06-02 10:34:13 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-02 10:34:13 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-02 10:34:13 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc64/powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 10:34:13 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-06-02 10:35:01 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-06-02 10:35:01 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc64/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - building world TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 10:36:05 - 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TB --- 2012-06-02 13:55:59 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-02 13:55:59 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 13:55:59 - 8879.94 user 1239.59 system 12106.91 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 14:18:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED321065670; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A108FC0A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1SapAK-000277-AU>; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:18:52 +0200 Received: from e178028047.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.28.47] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1SapAK-0003I3-4L>; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:18:52 +0200 Message-ID: <4FCA20C5.6010901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:18:45 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120601 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, "freebs >> Current FreeBSD" References: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> <3303845.JjFTmctz7f@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> In-Reply-To: <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig6C9D05CF3E895DC8132BFEBD" X-Originating-IP: 85.178.28.47 Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:18:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6C9D05CF3E895DC8132BFEBD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: >> I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving >> during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back >> solution. >> >> Or do I see this really too simple? >=20 > The ports tree is a moving target during release periods still, althoug= h > there are efforts to make movements smaller. This is why, after a > release it suddenly moves more :) >=20 > Daniel Even IF the ports tree IS a moving target, updating of UPDATING, for instance, follows most times AFTER the critical ports has been changed/updated and folks started updating their ports without realizing that they have shot themselfs into the foot! Since I'm with FreeBSD, StarOffice, OpenOffice and even now LibreOffice is a MESS! If you need to keep up with STABLE, in most cases due to modern hardware (*), binary packages are NOT provided or if so, they won't work due to some incompatibilities. I witnessed those cases several times and at this moment, our four remaining FreeBSD servers and my personal desktop as well as my private box are rendered "unusable" in terms of having no LibreOffice since it doesn't compile anymore on FreeBSD 9-STABLE/amd64 and 10-CURRENT/amd64. At the moment, this mess is introduced with a new PNG library. And we are updating on "life" machines, that means, they are not freshly installed, they have been maintained for several months now. Very often, when compalining about this, I get responses from people installing then the critical software in a virtual machine and/or on newly setup boxes. That doesn't reflect the way the systems have to be maintained. Well, one may argue with me about "server" and "desktop". Comparing Linux (several distros) with FreeBSd and Windows makes the limited adavntages of FreeBSD getting rendered neglegible. We need PowerPoint or a similar office product for presentations, I'm getting strangled by students when using LaTeX and "beamer" or "PowerDot". The pressure from the Windows world is large. (*) It might be true that FreeBSD runs well on older hardware. But when I order hardware from the budget I get, I do not want myself buying outdated hardware. --------------enig6C9D05CF3E895DC8132BFEBD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPyiDLAAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8cO4H/RNOzxyHSC3QVwIxvBYtNocc vJGlYqwPSyVJfi7tqvtMDAp4fsmSlG9/YW5kMaOIvyHrk+PkHXLU9mUeVAhPEnZH PUoVfRp2HbB1CBPFTErAKoMJIO3+T+Eo+d/Vk2bl/sY5a8FyuVjs5kLoUOrEQH9U xYRRwX6PqfQUpkgutgJu3KRCsR8u9sNA3StLJkw0NPDxeTkzXepFtoyd0KWRxxoE 5rMmo3Yaqkf3VRRXhXMzVTApTTqL0R7Nd/bUyxlkVlvFEMDrBzMCVZvPlkMpuq26 znJbOJ9g/HVKD3RxX6rkzxsL36O5n1Fd3BvBYQrl3rmrjUXL/VUna/l21tJhD2o= =2IDx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6C9D05CF3E895DC8132BFEBD-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 14:21:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BDB1065672 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:21:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rflynn@acsalaska.net) Received: from mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (rachie.is-a-geek.net [66.230.99.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910328FC1C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (squeeze.lan.rachie.is-a-geek.net [192.168.2.30]) by mailhub.rachie.is-a-geek.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E077E847 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 06:21:41 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: <4FCA2172.6080307@acsalaska.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:21:38 +0200 From: Mel Flynn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <201206011857.q51IvqN3049343@office.dignus.com> In-Reply-To: <201206011857.q51IvqN3049343@office.dignus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:21:43 -0000 On 1-6-2012 20:57, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > We used to have FreeBSD exclusively on desktops... > > Now, we have migrated to other desktops (mac) with FreeBSD running > the build and file server... > > Why? > > Because - the mac updates itself! No pain, no installation, > no keeping-up with mailing lists/announcements, just and its done. Aren't PC-BSD's PBI's working the same way? I know it is their goal. Have you evaluated that? If so, what were your experiences? -- Mel From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 16:49:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25661065672 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:49:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ra@iop.kiev.ua) Received: from rmaile.iop.kiev.ua (rmaile.iop.kiev.ua [194.44.164.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC948FC15 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.10.10.4] (k1-phoebus.iop.kiev.ua [10.10.10.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by rmaile.iop.kiev.ua (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q52DpgO8057452 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 16:51:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ra@iop.kiev.ua) Message-ID: <4FCA3654.2060604@iop.kiev.ua> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:50:44 +0300 From: "Andrey S. Rybak" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120510 Icedove/10.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4FC76E29.5010006@iop.kiev.ua> <20120531145041.GB1976@DataIX.net> <4FC84865.4010304@iop.kiev.ua> <20120602012510.GB79759@DataIX.net> In-Reply-To: <20120602012510.GB79759@DataIX.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at rmaile.iop.kiev.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=4.3 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on rmaile.iop.kiev.ua Subject: Re: problem with nmap X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 16:49:44 -0000 Have you also recompiled nmap after you installed libpcap. Sorrry this should be a neccesary step. Thanks! After recompiling nmap is starting succesfully! Thank you for your help! 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The previous threads before this message should have been on a web form or questions@ as they are completely out of control. -- - (2^(N-1)) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 17:28:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35741065695 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@apache.org) Received: from nm1-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C03B8FC15 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.53] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 17:28:16 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 17:28:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2012 17:28:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 259293.4976.bm@omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37229 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2012 17:28:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1338658095; bh=/oU1IvkbYHLEv8sA2JKs24e61KuziOrO/8zQuxtutPI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4A0H4EnAetiIuwo9UckYrwepSWGIRllNc+uQK1FF+bqu+BgUvdU9iOn7n25fVG+WrjqWMepuGEUkAS3SOxftbm0RnApSqLXrjVB1vWek/cpRjqfBgpM7XA9OlECPyVquIYSFpqas7q0485DZUI2vRNFCYUfjmU0csnVcvhGx7+k= X-YMail-OSG: WBmIWngVM1lRsjsR.HBw4Wf7AmkjTpExcTo_rijOhDPyyhf QsYqsiBHAl08lcTJKYR1rDXWkYQZiRzLUoGiZRo0aivuOGQ3wNZc9ujuEGI4 JuaRv67c79n8wQgXcin7rj9zYaocLOYSYN2CkfWoz6K9K6cYOcvQFUI6YOBk j.5bb8aupao8HYAfh_3UuVU8e_IfXmfA3SFGNPZU.A4hZLX46Bt.K37hh5me XOv3BH7FmPbZpEsfGw7hX8s5eFP5Li16ZlYMwA87vK4ZSy.SLFvajZIGjxYN rYh34uRQuk1FddwP5oPVaxZ20dYukuCbvIj1lsDePKmZWcTUSI1TafaPXVIp U.MN.trSKShHIu5G.4e5Y7bCtmzFvgGsnAhsxCxXR3aFDEldOTPHyuAM3UEb Oy8XxrDBYzdUSunlbxlk0.hNSQ9mGD6WiSU7z3QJKb6vK52reXW0kZMqKPFl BY9LQ Received: from [200.118.157.7] by web113520.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:28:15 PDT X-RocketYMMF: giffunip X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.118.349524 Message-ID: <1338658095.36377.YahooMailClassic@web113520.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:28:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Giffuni To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Current FreeBSD , "O. Hartmann" In-Reply-To: <4FCA20C5.6010901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pfg@apache.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:28:22 -0000 =0A=0A--- Sab 2/6/12, O. Hartmann ha scritto:= =0A=0A=0A> =0A> Since I'm with FreeBSD, StarOffice, OpenOffice and even now= =0A> LibreOffice is a MESS! ...=0A=0ACan you be more specific about what is= wrong with=0AApache OpenOffice?=0A=0Abest regards,=0A=0APedro.=0A=0A From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 17:31:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA801065675; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65C28FC24; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkvi18 with SMTP id i18so3450860bkv.13 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4BThL3r1GjNy3q6WjqPQA2t564euGTXFPOlRYs6iLo0=; b=GcVIEoZAu3VZj5xTFNUvIA9xWHi0hLxWQ70IbcAPwilLzly/aOwQLjX/zcsx/3z7gf O6QcnaY2YBcsk3as5WDSYMWtokUAwDvSUmFmPMW/okwalr3U+1Elpy0CQ8PLG9cXeDBG R2fnkeV3b/e0M6/1Ek2qsdAEitBcjvArKoMc799GSdzUjc8257HTdixYhtWyEgQ82WoE LFkH6rw/VWiiGeqZcybkSIO6YYVbca8h8fi5ziaIjG6dGhcHuWcXFTqj9Xsju5UB33+P IWBq1i6feKVsb8BJ/1vySpWbYCgTfOjFItzKzfQuqufInZzqUW2HDMJB7G0O0dGN5+8/ XI6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.117.3 with SMTP id fk3mr3943519bkc.136.1338658307567; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.171.138 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.171.138 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 10:31:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FCA20C5.6010901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> <3303845.JjFTmctz7f@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> <4FCA20C5.6010901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:31:47 +0100 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: "O. Hartmann" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-current , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:31:49 -0000 On Jun 2, 2012 3:19 PM, "O. Hartmann" wrote: > > On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > > > > > On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: > >> I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving > >> during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back > >> solution. > >> > >> Or do I see this really too simple? > > > > The ports tree is a moving target during release periods still, although > > there are efforts to make movements smaller. This is why, after a > > release it suddenly moves more :) > > > > Daniel > > Even IF the ports tree IS a moving target, updating of UPDATING, for > instance, follows most times AFTER the critical ports has been > changed/updated and folks started updating their ports without realizing > that they have shot themselfs into the foot! > Not reading UPDATING until there are problems is not the fault of the ports tree; it should be checked every time you update. Of course, many of us forget, but that still doesn't make it anyone else's problem when we do! Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 17:43:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CE51065670 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fonz@skysmurf.nl) Received: from spectrum.skysmurf.nl (spectrum.skysmurf.nl [82.95.125.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE5F8FC1B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from spectrum.skysmurf.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spectrum.skysmurf.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q52HZ2KX001767; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:35:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fonz@spectrum.skysmurf.nl) Received: (from fonz@localhost) by spectrum.skysmurf.nl (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q52HZ2Q9001766; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:35:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fonz) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:35:01 +0200 From: "A.J. \"Fonz\" van Werven" To: Jason Hellenthal Message-ID: <20120602173501.GA1738@spectrum.skysmurf.nl> References: <20120602165925.GA96911@DataIX.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120602165925.GA96911@DataIX.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why am I, Still subscribed and reading this list ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: advocacy@freebsd.org List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 17:43:21 -0000 [Reply-To: advocacy@] Jason Hellenthal wrote: > The previous threads before this message should have been on a web form > or questions@ as they are completely out of control. Assuming you are referring to the recent "Why I (don't) use FreeBSD" threads: Thank you, I agree. I read the first couple of messages but zoned out pretty quickly. In my opinion this sort of thing is more appropriate on advocacy@ (maybe not so much questions@, although I haven't read the most recent parts of these threads) and/or the forums (hint to OP: the forums are truly awesome, go to http://forums.freebsd.org, select "Off-topic" and let slip the dogs of chatter!). Fonz -- Obsig: developing a new sig From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 18:11:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E0C106566B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:11:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1AC8FC21 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zidane.cc.vt.edu (zidane.cc.vt.edu [198.82.163.227]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52IB7YR021751; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:11:07 -0400 Received: from auth3.smtp.vt.edu (EHLO auth3.smtp.vt.edu) ([198.82.161.152]) by zidane.cc.vt.edu (MOS 4.3.3-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id TRJ52415; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gromit.chumby.lan (c-98-249-9-133.hsd1.va.comcast.net [98.249.9.133]) (authenticated bits=0) by auth3.smtp.vt.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q52IB601031861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:11:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Paul Mather In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:11:06 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <95D35900-AC63-4948-B54F-40041FFCB232@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> References: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> <3303845.JjFTmctz7f@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> <4FCA20C5.6010901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> To: Chris Rees X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Mirapoint-Received-SPF: 198.82.161.152 auth3.smtp.vt.edu paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu 5 none X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=zidane.cc.vt.edu X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A02020A.4FCA573B.0003,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=98.249.9.133, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Cc: FreeBSD Stable , "O. Hartmann" Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:11:43 -0000 On Jun 2, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Chris Rees wrote: > On Jun 2, 2012 3:19 PM, "O. Hartmann" = wrote: >>=20 >> On 06/02/12 14:47, Daniel Kalchev wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: >>>> I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving >>>> during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back >>>> solution. >>>>=20 >>>> Or do I see this really too simple? >>>=20 >>> The ports tree is a moving target during release periods still, = although >>> there are efforts to make movements smaller. This is why, after a >>> release it suddenly moves more :) >>>=20 >>> Daniel >>=20 >> Even IF the ports tree IS a moving target, updating of UPDATING, for >> instance, follows most times AFTER the critical ports has been >> changed/updated and folks started updating their ports without = realizing >> that they have shot themselfs into the foot! >>=20 >=20 > Not reading UPDATING until there are problems is not the fault of the = ports > tree; it should be checked every time you update. >=20 > Of course, many of us forget, but that still doesn't make it anyone = else's > problem when we do! The point he made was actually not a matter of people not reading = UPDATING but that UPDATING is oftentimes not updated until after the = disruptive/potentially dangerous change has already hit the ports tree. = So, even though people check UPDATING, it won't help them because there = will be nothing apropos there until maybe days later when someone has = decided an UPDATING entry was merited in retrospect. I'm not sure what the solution is for the end user. I know I get = somewhat leery of updating my ports if I see a large number of changes = coming via portsnap (like the 4000+ that accompanied the recent libpng = upgrade) and there is nothing new in UPDATING (which, happily wasn't the = case with the libpng upgrade). Usually, I wait a while for the dust to = clear and an UPDATING entry potentially to appear. Maybe the solution is to track the freebsd-ports mailing list get get = advanced warning of large changes, but that would mean following another = high-volume list. :-( Cheers, Paul. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 18:56:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59B41065692 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:56:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apeiron@isuckatdomains.net) Received: from isuckatdomains.net (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:4::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2898FC12 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from isuckatdomains.members.linode.com (isuckatdomains.net [74.207.243.179]) by isuckatdomains.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2097D45ABC for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:56:01 -0400 From: Chris Nehren To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120602185601.GD2309@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> <3303845.JjFTmctz7f@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> <4FCA20C5.6010901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <95D35900-AC63-4948-B54F-40041FFCB232@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <95D35900-AC63-4948-B54F-40041FFCB232@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:56:03 -0000 On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 14:11:06 -0400 , Paul Mather wrote: > I'm not sure what the solution is for the end user. I know I get > somewhat leery of updating my ports if I see a large number of changes > coming via portsnap (like the 4000+ that accompanied the recent libpng > upgrade) and there is nothing new in UPDATING (which, happily wasn't > the case with the libpng upgrade). Usually, I wait a while for the > dust to clear and an UPDATING entry potentially to appear. If you're concerned about things breaking, don't follow the bleeding edge. This seems to be common sense. > Maybe the solution is to track the freebsd-ports mailing list get get > advanced warning of large changes, but that would mean following > another high-volume list. :-( And any decent mailer setup can filter those messages for you, leaving only the messages relevant to ports you're interested in. There are also systems like gmane which provide an NNTP feed for mailing lists. Combined with a newsreader with good killfile / scoring features, it shouldn't be hard to keep up. -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 19:50:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2768A106564A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@opsec.eu) Received: from home.opsec.eu (home.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C818FC1A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pi by home.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SauL8-000C5I-7W for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:50:22 +0200 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:50:22 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120602195022.GG5335@home.opsec.eu> References: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FC9FECC.8090703@digsys.bg> <3303845.JjFTmctz7f@x220.ovitrap.com> <4FCA0B5F.5010500@digsys.bg> <4FCA20C5.6010901@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <95D35900-AC63-4948-B54F-40041FFCB232@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <95D35900-AC63-4948-B54F-40041FFCB232@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:50:21 -0000 Hi! > The point he made was actually not a matter of people not reading > UPDATING but that UPDATING is oftentimes not updated until after > the disruptive/potentially dangerous change has already hit the > ports tree. > > I'm not sure what the solution is for the end user. We have our reference hosts, do daily portupgrades and on those days where all looks fine, pkg_create the whole collection and pkg_delete/pkg_add to production hosts. Still not perfect, but 'good enough'. -- pi@opsec.eu +49 171 3101372 8 years to go ! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 19:52:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498911065673 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@opsec.eu) Received: from home.opsec.eu (home.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0509B8FC12 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pi by home.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SauNc-000C7z-SO; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:52:56 +0200 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:52:56 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Daniel Kalchev Message-ID: <20120602195256.GH5335@home.opsec.eu> References: <20120601121555.GF5335@home.opsec.eu> <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FC8B67D.5090208@digsys.bg> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 19:52:56 -0000 Hi! > For example if one wants an e-mail server, that is better > served in the long run by IMAP+MTA than any form of Exchange, because > you are not tied to one single platform and that vendor's lunacy. In the field, many customers are drawn into the world of Exchange and related technologies because of groupware features that are not easy to replicate without it. Once they are in that world, it's very tough to climb back out. -- pi@opsec.eu +49 171 3101372 8 years to go ! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 21:53:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92E2106566B; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A488FC08; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkvi18 with SMTP id i18so3540597bkv.13 for ; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wc2DL4yQe6djPLOWJ0DHn8zvXFVfng62FrO74IlK6Xs=; b=aS1xpVdA4iN66RffLi1Dp4GKH7X6P1pSBmexkr2RMxnsHKbK0dbcb7Zfk4CRXApt6Q js8/jVebzojJmjrO1zACTL5KVHmDBZslhHODyQnVnql67Wys6CI8HF2mUFirDQkCa02X 4Gb+lOMgc3VWQuljjZR8s+pV6mw/vbV1KqMrgsldp46gy+yVMTrBm0XOzCju5/9ofs8M d4VJr20TAfviNlZ7gqXL9Bt25YWNihGA3NlzBRKJ7kKJvZ2SUIZL+OxZvGuk/cb8hJIw rxQ3gA45AKSqDR+ZWpkRpRcAJ2AUByUL/tDCDFGfYXktxTtgTXWa7GaWdt+DNPTr6LTQ EUig== Received: by 10.204.152.196 with SMTP id h4mr4145494bkw.131.1338673999049; Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:53:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.171.138 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 14:52:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> References: <2189681.al9jQ9fsnP@x220.ovitrap.com> <1405746.nVtAo183hi@x220.ovitrap.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:52:48 +0100 Message-ID: To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: David Chisnall , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:53:20 -0000 On 2 June 2012 10:42, Erich Dollansky wrot= e: > Hi, > > On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: >> On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, "Erich Dollansky" >> wrote: >> > >> > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked= to >> the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basi= c >> library will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I >> expressed this already many time here. It would be of advantage if the >> ports tree would also have tags like the base system itself. >> > >> >> Unfortunately this is a massive amount of extra work - we only just keep= up >> with updates as it is. > > I do not think so. At least not for the first step as I see it. Just make= snapshots of the ports tree when the release comes out. These snapshots ar= e with the releases anyway. > > What I did was very simple. I got the ports tree that comes with the rele= ase and installed the system back to the release status. Ok, it was some wo= rk for me - maybe not for others - to find this tree. > > A simple link could help here. > > I do not know if this is just an opinion which is too optimistic. > > What I know is that all the security fixes which appeared since the relea= se are not in there. If I have the choice between three days or more of com= piling and known security holes, I will take the security holes, make the c= lient happy and upgrade after the work for the client is finished. > > I would not expect that FreeBSD will provide more than this. Then you already have all you need-- RELEASEs use packages compiled at time of release if you use pkg_add -r, and the ports tree is tagged at release if you wish to get a 'snapshot'. Note that you will not get any official support if you choose to use a tagged tree :) Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 22:26:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D304106566B; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:26:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147368FC12; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52MQg5f073533; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:26:42 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q52MQg7g073517; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:26:42 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:26:42 GMT Message-Id: <201206022226.q52MQg7g073517@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:26:43 -0000 TB --- 2012-06-02 19:20:18 - 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cd /src TB --- 2012-06-02 19:21:51 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Sat Jun 2 19:21:52 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Sat Jun 2 21:59:15 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-02 21:59:15 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-06-02 21:59:15 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-02 21:59:15 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-06-02 21:59:15 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-02 21:59:15 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-06-02 21:59:15 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 21:59:15 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-02 21:59:15 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-02 21:59:15 - 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PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-02 22:20:30 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 22:20:30 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 22:20:30 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 22:20:30 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-02 22:20:30 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 22:20:30 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-02 22:20:30 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sat Jun 2 22:20:30 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/mp_cpudep.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch32.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-06-02 22:26:42 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-02 22:26:42 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 22:26:42 - 7802.51 user 1033.81 system 11184.12 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 23:14:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AE0106564A; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::6502:9b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06E78FC15; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q52NEbFv093433; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:14:37 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: (from tinderbox@localhost) by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q52NEbHA093432; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:14:37 GMT (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:14:37 GMT Message-Id: <201206022314.q52NEbHA093432@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: freebsd-stable.sentex.ca: tinderbox set sender to FreeBSD Tinderbox using -f Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Cc: Subject: [releng_9 tinderbox] failure on powerpc64/powerpc X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:14:38 -0000 TB --- 2012-06-02 19:55:20 - tinderbox 2.9 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2012-06-02 19:55:20 - FreeBSD freebsd-stable.sentex.ca 8.2-STABLE FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #4: Wed Sep 28 13:48:49 UTC 2011 mdtancsa@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/server amd64 TB --- 2012-06-02 19:55:20 - starting RELENG_9 tinderbox run for powerpc64/powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 19:55:21 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2012-06-02 19:56:10 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2012-06-02 19:56:10 - /usr/bin/csup -z -r 3 -g -L 1 -h cvsup.sentex.ca /tinderbox/RELENG_9/powerpc64/powerpc/supfile TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - building world TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-02 19:57:23 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Sat Jun 2 19:57:24 UTC 2012 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> stage 5.1: building 32 bit shim libraries >>> World build completed on Sat Jun 2 22:50:31 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - /usr/sbin/config -m LINT TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - building LINT kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-02 22:50:31 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Sat Jun 2 22:50:31 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for LINT completed on Sat Jun 2 23:09:33 UTC 2012 TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - skipping GENERIC kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - cd /src/sys/powerpc/conf TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - /usr/sbin/config -m GENERIC64 TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - building GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - CROSS_BUILD_TESTING=YES TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/obj TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - SRCCONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - TARGET=powerpc TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - TARGET_ARCH=powerpc64 TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - TZ=UTC TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - __MAKE_CONF=/dev/null TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - cd /src TB --- 2012-06-02 23:09:33 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC64 >>> Kernel build for GENERIC64 started on Sat Jun 2 23:09:33 UTC 2012 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/nexus.c cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/slb.c cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/swtch64.S cc -c -O -pipe -std=c99 -g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wmissing-include-dirs -fdiagnostics-show-option -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/src/sys/contrib/libfdt -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -msoft-float -Wa,-many -msoft-float -mno-altivec -mcall-aixdesc -ffreestanding -fstack-protector -Werror /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /src/sys/powerpc/aim/trap.c:77: ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'trap' [-Wredundant-decls] ./machine/trap.h:11: warning: previous declaration of 'trap' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/powerpc.powerpc64/src/sys/GENERIC64. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2012-06-02 23:14:37 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2012-06-02 23:14:37 - ERROR: failed to build GENERIC64 kernel TB --- 2012-06-02 23:14:37 - 8782.48 user 1215.70 system 11956.17 real http://tinderbox.freebsd.org/tinderbox-releng_9-RELENG_9-powerpc64-powerpc.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 2 23:53:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9923B106566C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:53:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fritz-bounce@frell.theremailer.net) Received: from frell.theremailer.net (unknown [IPv6:2002:d527:d23c:9:846c:3e7f:f601:33a5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09D78FC0C for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 23:53:56 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=frell.theremailer.net; s=remailer; h=Date:Message-ID:Subject:Comments:From; bh=GkgknF77W/fDDHWQshl7ZIHKJVJX+Uji0K8WO6bUvwc=; b=AvCIJZ88ppsKb0QSMaoCNw8g5739CrTEvSwh8aNhUmL4KjA+TllpUbKRSEhVFc7grtWW/AGOs59XieRUKf0hHo0XIGnQZ5euhOl4vx8+m59YWmxA6+WjDrex6B7TZTve2/8IMSbmQWBbP7PXkvQsiwHMKOdhbgIWrPZ7mwcFTAUIlSmpY7wb4rDPouCkcN3Pon+NN6l8THtKX0FjoYpcFNfJLIlEKqdN9/IiVOjZ0ul+I0GGJbo+392Q0QWrXZ6pCUZp3L70bB9dU34fVxPXazv97VgT2SPnOqIe0h3dOxmYhv1dp/CQ6raZ1GiBCraBrVJm7c2ZxXzDXeWJKPomT64=; Received: by frell.theremailer.net with local (Exim) id 1Saxyx-0002ul-7L for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org envelope-sender fritz-bounce@frell.theremailer.net; Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:43:43 +0200 From: Fritz Wuehler Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . Identifying the real sender is technically impossible. To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120602052228.GA6624@lonesome.com> Message-ID: Precedence: anon Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 01:43:43 +0200 Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 23:53:57 -0000 You wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:20:39PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > Maybe FreeBSD should consider migrating to pkgsrc? > > I'm not arguing that your other points are invalid (in particular, > I agree that the xorg change was really painful, and for a long time > amd64 lagged i386 badly), but there is one very major blocker for this > particular idea. If you browse the following URL: > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/PackageSystemsComparison > > You'll see that pkgsrc is around 12k packages. Although our graph > is stale, per the portsmon/FreshPorts URLs, we're approaching 24k > ports. > > So: while it's been suggested before, it's not really workable. I am not in a position to know, but it seems to me the number of ports at some point isn't that big of a deal vs. how well the ports build, and on how many architectures they're available. First, is it possible to automate the conversion of ports to pkgsrc? If not, how much of it could be automated? How many of those 24,000 ports are actively maintained and build correctly? If they're all active and work then yeah I think everyone would agree it would take a lot of convincing to get those maintainers to switch to another system, but does anyone know how many of those guys aren't *already* maintaining pkgsrc packages for the same app? Often one maintainer does packaging for multiple BSD and/or Linux distros. So there could be lots of overlap and just looking at the two numbers you posted doesn't really tell the whole story.