From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 00:40:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60616F0 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:40:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECA68FC08 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tp6xW-0002ih-FS for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:40:58 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:40:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1356828058000-5773225.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <50DF4903.9070006@FreeBSD.org> References: <50DED9BA.1000400@internecto.net> <50DEFF85.3030103@internecto.net> <50DF4903.9070006@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9 (amd64) buildworld stage 4.2 fails with clang: unknown target cpu i686 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:40:59 -0000 Humph, so it's not supported, then it's working then it's not supported again. How come it's working for most (I'm not being sarcastic, genuinely concerned, as setting to native is handy)? -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/FreeBSD-9-amd64-buildworld-stage-4-2-fails-with-clang-unknown-target-cpu-i686-tp5773068p5773225.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 00:49:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D647A43 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:49:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351228FC0C for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tp75g-00036v-Q1 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:49:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:49:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1356828564798-5773226.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1356828058000-5773225.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <50DED9BA.1000400@internecto.net> <50DEFF85.3030103@internecto.net> <50DF4903.9070006@FreeBSD.org> <1356828058000-5773225.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9 (amd64) buildworld stage 4.2 fails with clang: unknown target cpu i686 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:49:25 -0000 e.g. Penryn CPU: $ cc -march=native -E -v - &1 | grep cc1 "/usr/bin/cc" -cc1 -triple x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.0 -E -disable-free -main-file-name - -mrelocation-model static -mdisable-fp-elim -masm-verbose -mconstructor-aliases -munwind-tables -target-cpu penryn -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -v -resource-dir /usr/bin/../lib/clang/3.1 -fmodule-cache-path /var/tmp/clang-module-cache -fdebug-compilation-dir /home/Kuba -ferror-limit 19 -fmessage-length 0 -mstackrealign -fgnu-runtime -fobjc-runtime-has-arc -fobjc-runtime-has-weak -fobjc-dispatch-method=non-legacy -fdiagnostics-show-option -o - -x c - clang -cc1 version 3.1 based upon LLVM 3.1 default target x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.0 $ gcc47 -march=native -E -v - &1 | grep cc1 /usr/local/libexec/gcc47/gcc/x86_64-portbld-freebsd9.1/4.7.3/cc1 -E -quiet -v - -march=core2 -mcx16 -msahf -mno-movbe -mno-aes -mno-pclmul -mno-popcnt -mno-abm -mno-lwp -mno-fma -mno-fma4 -mno-xop -mno-bmi -mno-bmi2 -mno-tbm -mno-avx -mno-avx2 -mno-sse4.2 -msse4.1 -mno-lzcnt -mno-rdrnd -mno-f16c -mno-fsgsbase --param l1-cache-size=32 --param l1-cache-line-size=64 --param l2-cache-size=6144 -mtune=core2 -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/FreeBSD-9-amd64-buildworld-stage-4-2-fails-with-clang-unknown-target-cpu-i686-tp5773068p5773226.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 06:59:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C56E260 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:59:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from artemb@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com (mail-la0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CDE8FC08 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id fh20so2626581lab.20 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:59:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hqa9kOWvt1BOnO5ERXypbEe0Pt5X2R6nPr7W+poaGCc=; b=tVeahxzOcVO9bTxgDvl/gu8DqGi1I04QUQBYJPrQ+SiJigmWwlH7XRH4Yjj1mZt1am ZyC98pw6HkCNzLXfdznaA0EWbDB9ji4jwvV/OxA106L7yRYni8bR6HGskOeik+FCbqFD 0CpCwtKNzNly1B/x9fm9BpYMCulGQL3QsXNrzRcdAmYuCSI+b+Vv2mWVol87rIgglwQg NE45GhnwnD0IDTFLrHXg1OkdThrvNnD8s9LBTkjfTFY+AVYTiwlkT+JQxUeRIs3+l3MP QS+vHZ1KJRsFGj34XGtQJtX1+71eqvLaIYQjXyGOc60WQMarst926bWYlNyLSFQejo33 8m7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.110.18 with SMTP id hw18mr35976491lab.22.1356850786491; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:59:46 -0800 (PST) Sender: artemb@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.80.103 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:59:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:59:46 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: x5-ORv_LjGMnSF45Bt9BnWa09ys Message-ID: Subject: Re: how to destroy zfs parent filesystem without destroying children - corrupted file causing kernel panick From: Artem Belevich To: Greg Bonett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Scot Hetzel , FreeBSD Stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:59:48 -0000 On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Greg Bonett wrote: > > > > > Does: > > > > cat /dev/null > bad.file > > > > Cause a kernel panic? > > > > > > > ah, sadly that does cause a kernel panic. I hadn't tried it though, thanks > for the suggestion. It's probably a long shot, but you may try removing bad file using illumos (ex opensolaris) system (or liveCD). In the past it used to be a little bit more robust than FreeBSD when it came to dealing with filesystem corruption. In one case I had illumos printed out a message about corrupt pool and remained up and running while FreeBSD would just crash when I tried mounting the pool. --Artem From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 07:30:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6571661C; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg.bonett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DA98FC0A; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id e21so12010357vbm.34 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:30:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZNMOlWPqNSvHkTevEs6iVn6+zbe7Rss7C8DEDKUlcA4=; b=SjqfqJlLe/8RjXgVZsSh8XJHXAnPvbd9o+d/0EoWTW2GqkeEIaFdDXrd3czfBmbY0X nDWfYiQCLJRqP/0fZwJtsLs1FvassRbO9sHHV4fOA2txSbHhRVsW0vIon3kPuhPgQF/3 Hx8Zk7759phYkmfgC80dZvjFHqAg9d6rpppoGWArf0t8ESHetmDYTL+pT8ZmKGxDnBi6 atZZKEo1/RTiINUrUHDgzsV6zVzhyHW//3DBkHgsFZ28oZ987KIo4kREQlbaY76vvfe3 pqb8MYEG3SUorkfOG6nRQ8uMq+AsHtGssr1lqPBQ8ADV1zR3I02N9U6d1Ju46as6BKMY ECig== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.240.165 with SMTP id wb5mr51342367vdc.102.1356852648589; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.40.33 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:30:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:30:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how to destroy zfs parent filesystem without destroying children - corrupted file causing kernel panick From: Greg Bonett To: Artem Belevich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: Scot Hetzel , FreeBSD Stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 07:30:55 -0000 > It's probably a long shot, but you may try removing bad file using > illumos (ex opensolaris) system (or liveCD). In the past it used to be > a little bit more robust than FreeBSD when it came to dealing with > filesystem corruption. In one case I had illumos printed out a message > about corrupt pool and remained up and running while FreeBSD would > just crash when I tried mounting the pool. > > That's a good idea - but the zpool is made of geli devices. Illumos can't attached FreeBSD geli devices can it? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 12:05:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CAD9C5 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay03.ispgateway.de (smtprelay03.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDFE8FC13 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [78.35.145.209] (helo=fabiankeil.de) by smtprelay03.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1TpHdX-0002WZ-3o; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:05:03 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:32:13 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: Greg Bonett Subject: Re: how to destroy zfs parent filesystem without destroying children - corrupted file causing kernel panick Message-ID: <20121230123213.2312fb47@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/RQ9advsrE4Yeh6r1.LexZy."; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: Nzc1MDY3 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:05:11 -0000 --Sig_/RQ9advsrE4Yeh6r1.LexZy. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg Bonett wrote: > Many months ago, I believe some *very bad hardware* caused corruption of a > file on one of my zfs file systems. I've isolated the corrupted file and > can reliably induce a kernel panic with "touch bad.file", "rm bad.file", = or > "ls -l" in the bad.file's directory (ls in bad.file's dir doesn't cause > panic, but "ls bad.file" does). >=20 > This is a raidz zpool, but zpool scrub doesn't fix it - it eventually > creates a kernel panic. >=20 > My next plan is to attempt to get rid of this file by zfs destroy(ing) the > entire filesystem. The corrupted file is on /tank, and I've copied all of > the good data onto a new zfs file system, /tank/tempfs/. My next plan would be reporting the problem with sufficient information so the bug can be fixed. Destroying the dataset or the whole pool seems like papering over the real issue to me and you could still do it if the PR gets ignored for too long or a developer agrees that this is the only option. Fabian --Sig_/RQ9advsrE4Yeh6r1.LexZy. Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlDgJkEACgkQBYqIVf93VJ2Z1wCgnIo+kJ9OUxi3DTn7lgUqdnKH fXgAn1R2bsjOanhlAQZdAkORLdMgx6KS =Ej+3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/RQ9advsrE4Yeh6r1.LexZy.-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 14:04:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E025350 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 14:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org) Received: from smarthost1.greenhost.nl (smarthost1.greenhost.nl [195.190.28.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41F18FC08 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 14:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.greenhost.nl ([213.108.104.138]) by smarthost1.greenhost.nl with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TpJUd-0000JQ-8a for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:03:59 +0100 Received: from h253044.upc-h.chello.nl ([62.194.253.44] helo=pinky) by smtp.greenhost.nl with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TpJUd-0008VV-BC for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:03:59 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9 (amd64) buildworld stage 4.2 fails with clang: unknown target cpu i686 References: <50DED9BA.1000400@internecto.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:03:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Ronald Klop" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50DED9BA.1000400@internecto.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.12 (Win32) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 X-Scan-Signature: 4a4e1dd80dce9ac0d9378b25a0c059e8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 14:04:02 -0000 Just some kind of me-too-message. I had weird things with clang like top crashing as root (but not as another user) and various ports failing to run with 'illegal instruction' errors until I removed CPUTYPE?=native. CPU: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 I did not investigate further, but never had this problem with gcc. This all was on 9-STABLE/amd64. Ronald. On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:53:30 +0100, Mark van Dijk wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm running FreeBSD 9.1-PRERELEASE and today I synchronised my /usr/src > directory with the svn_stable_9 branch on gitorious [1]. I am using > ccache. > > My /etc/make.conf contains the following: > > -------------------------8<------------------------- > CPUTYPE?=native > CFLAGS=-O3 -pipe > COPTFLAGS=-O -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe > MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER=4 > CC=clang > CXX=clang++ > CPP=clang-cpp > NO_WERROR= > WERROR= > MAKE_SHELL?=sh > INSTALL=install -C > # from ccache-howto-freebsd.txt > .if (!empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/src*) || !empty(.CURDIR:M/usr/obj*)) > .if !defined(NOCCACHE) > CC:=${CC:C,^clang,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/clang,1} > CXX:=${CXX:C,^clang\+\+,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/clang++,1} > CCACHE_DIR:=/usr/sysccache > .endif > .endif > .if ${CC:T} == "clang" > CFLAGS+= -Qunused-arguments > .endif > -------------------------8<------------------------- > > The output from make is too long to post inline so you can find the > relevant portion here: > http://sprunge.us/BfWJ > > I suspect that the error is caused by -march=native, my CPU is an Intel > Core i5. > > I'll admit that I did modify my make.conf right before building. It > already *did* contain the CC/CXX/CPP lines for clang but the ccache > portion was slightly different. It used to contain the literal contents > of ccache-howto-freebsd.txt: > > CC:=${CC:C,^cc,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/cc,1} > CXX:=${CXX:C,^c\+\+,/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world/c++,1} > > Today I re-read that howto and it states: > "You can replace cc and c++ with the compilers of your choice. > (remember that only GCC and Clang can build world and kernel)" > > So I updated those two lines and replaced cc/c++ with clang/clang++. I > didn't get the make errors before. So I moved those two lines back, did > rm -rf /usr/obj/* and started another make buildworld which is still > running. > > I always thought that specifying 'CPUTYPE?=' in the Makefile is the > right way to prevent issues like this. So did I do something wrong, or > is this some kind of ccache issue, or is this a legitimate bug? > > Please shed some light on this, thanks. > > Mark van Dijk > the Netherlands > > [1] git://gitorious.org/freebsd/freebsd.git > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 16:03:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2538AEC1 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:03:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C148FC0C for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TpLLn-0005rG-MD for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:02:59 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:02:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1356883379642-5773336.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <50DED9BA.1000400@internecto.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9 (amd64) buildworld stage 4.2 fails with clang: unknown target cpu i686 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:03:07 -0000 I have no problems with CPUTYPE?=native with clang and 9-STABLE, on Penryn but I only use it for base. There is no correct CPUTYPE which would correspond to my CPU anyway. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/FreeBSD-9-amd64-buildworld-stage-4-2-fails-with-clang-unknown-target-cpu-i686-tp5773068p5773336.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 16:09:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98A919B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:09:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FA28FC0C for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TpLRq-0006CM-KC for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:09:14 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:09:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1356883754472-5773339.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <1356883379642-5773336.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <50DED9BA.1000400@internecto.net> <1356883379642-5773336.post@n5.nabble.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 9 (amd64) buildworld stage 4.2 fails with clang: unknown target cpu i686 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:09:15 -0000 And setting "incorrect" CPUTYPE?=native is arguably better than blindly forcing march flags for whole base build... There are plenty of parts that don't want any march stuff. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/FreeBSD-9-amd64-buildworld-stage-4-2-fails-with-clang-unknown-target-cpu-i686-tp5773068p5773339.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 21:50:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513EA82E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298478FC0A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TpQm3-0001GN-0w for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:50:27 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:50:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1356904227021-5773408.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1356218834151-5771583.post@n5.nabble.com> <87.5C.07640.028DED05@smtp02.insight.synacor.com> Subject: Re: 9.1 minimal ram requirements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:50:29 -0000 Well, now there is release, but -STABLE is still pre, while -STABLE code is already well past release builds ;) Eh, imperfect world... -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/9-1-minimal-ram-requirements-tp5771583p5773408.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 23:38:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3181F5C for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:38:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg.bonett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799AA8FC0C for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fy27so12466914vcb.27 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+zTWcnrSY7HKoG4U5k55foqzEjvdIFD6uq7qJIT5ojM=; b=kJcm6Uocw2XGI8sPHlnp9jebNQFJBPti+sG6QhJroQuexZbHeBIf7WHXF1opma0HhC dtwCNuPc6GpNAojl4o1SICcQwcGbqlQcIGRI9jzBuIAyWDEXDowCZNYfgzRO6JvqCpbB s/b+ZtRP9s4C3+wAojv2paMpIk51fMiG9dGap7VY6bSK0vM8IpySyZp8agHxm2arBM3n BQ1fAi0l0hSrCxYQgeVz8wrgIoDIzFE31D2hlGnIZ5RxmzeKYh1vyRrOfWfdmhcjfhmm sIri8fN7Yy2fT0rUMt1fUqagHU81d2T+h2g6wmfKUxYT+sYQDgS9gsjzfuw1K9E/G4qT 4C2g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.222.40 with SMTP id qj8mr63405317vec.36.1356910721228; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.40.33 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121230123213.2312fb47@fabiankeil.de> References: <20121230123213.2312fb47@fabiankeil.de> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:38:41 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: how to destroy zfs parent filesystem without destroying children - corrupted file causing kernel panick From: Greg Bonett To: Fabian Keil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 23:38:48 -0000 > > My next plan would be reporting the problem with sufficient > information so the bug can be fixed. > > Destroying the dataset or the whole pool seems like papering over the > real issue to me and you could still do it if the PR gets ignored for > too long or a developer agrees that this is the only option. > > ok, that's a good idea - do you know where I should report this problem? unfortunately, I don't know how I can provide the problematic file because any read, cp, or mv causes kernel panic. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 13:51:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B283AE23; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mail.feld.me (mail.feld.me [66.170.3.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694D68FC08; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:51:14 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=QAZzC3M5Bp9joy1/9FkM9iSe6T5odjpayJXbfuaCN70=; b=eGgHn7JHZH5SyxuooCEX+myyfBR2rHNJOjbRlSTfDPRSaT8RMIKbADZ1jrIE1s8DSp1nV2jmDk8bKUQ/Uc6tnYIMkmUCkgAVDLeVxjpv5+S7X4my9F14EglQ++sCrL7e; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mail.feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Tpfli-000L74-2T; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:51:07 -0600 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpa id 1356961860-75162-75161/5/1; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:51:00 +0000 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:51:00 -0600 From: Mark Felder To: Greg Bonett Subject: Re: how to destroy zfs parent filesystem without destroying children - corrupted file causing kernel panick Message-Id: <20121231075100.3f33b687@tech304.office.supranet.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Report: ALL_TRUSTED=-1, KHOP_THREADED=-0.5 X-SA-Score: -1.5 Cc: Artem Belevich , Scot Hetzel , FreeBSD Stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:51:15 -0000 On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 23:30:48 -0800 Greg Bonett wrote: > That's a good idea - but the zpool is made of geli devices. Illumos = can't =20 > attached FreeBSD geli devices can it? Export the raw geli devices over iSCSI and assemble the zpool on Illumos = that way :) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 14:32:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505A569E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:32:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay05.ispgateway.de (smtprelay05.ispgateway.de [80.67.31.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0447C8FC08 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [78.35.165.136] (helo=fabiankeil.de) by smtprelay05.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1TpgO0-0006ml-4l; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:30:40 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:30:21 +0100 From: Fabian Keil To: Greg Bonett Subject: Re: how to destroy zfs parent filesystem without destroying children - corrupted file causing kernel panick Message-ID: <20121231153021.0fa0e98c@fabiankeil.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20121230123213.2312fb47@fabiankeil.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/oiRmnI4.8rjQxKtRe9TAlz="; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Df-Sender: Nzc1MDY3 Cc: FreeBSD Stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:32:39 -0000 --Sig_/oiRmnI4.8rjQxKtRe9TAlz= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg Bonett wrote: > > My next plan would be reporting the problem with sufficient > > information so the bug can be fixed. > > > > Destroying the dataset or the whole pool seems like papering over the > > real issue to me and you could still do it if the PR gets ignored for > > too long or a developer agrees that this is the only option. > > > > > ok, that's a good idea - do you know where I should report this problem? I'd start with freebsd-fs@ and file a proper PR if there's still no response after a few weeks or so. If you haven't already, you might want to skim through: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?&text=3Dzfs first, to see if your problem is already known. > unfortunately, I don't know how I can provide the problematic file because > any read, cp, or mv causes kernel panic. Additional information about the panic itself will probably do at the beginning, you can always provide more later if someone asks for it. For details see: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html Fabian --Sig_/oiRmnI4.8rjQxKtRe9TAlz= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlDhoZUACgkQBYqIVf93VJ05ewCguLlQSLKacrY4j2I5sLovm/5k RxYAn2CtmhcehYw6g29ncNLPGtiSVucz =gntc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/oiRmnI4.8rjQxKtRe9TAlz=-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:41:50 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EC8CF5 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zkolic@sbb.rs) Received: from smtp1.sbb.rs (smtp1.sbb.rs [89.216.2.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F2D8FC0A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mycenae.localdomain (cable-178-148-113-24.dynamic.sbb.rs [178.148.113.24]) by smtp1.sbb.rs (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id qBVGXqR5004220 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:33:57 +0100 Received: by mycenae.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 18115301BC; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:33:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:33:43 +0100 From: Zoran Kolic To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 9.1 file content Message-ID: <20121231163343.GA1044@mycenae.sbb.rs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:41:50 -0000 I'm quite happy to see 9.1 out and want to ask polite and benevolent question: regarding times on the site, are iso and img files the same as 2 weeks ago? To remind noble readers. I installed on my computers what was release at that time and got it up and working perfectly. In other words, is it the same file? Best regards and happy new year Zoran From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:47:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2D8EC5 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:47:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from duck.symmetricom.us (duck.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2EC8FC15 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org (daffy.symmetricom.us [206.168.13.218]) by duck.symmetricom.us (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVGlsRF090248 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:47:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qBVGlqo1085834; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:47:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Subject: Re: 9.1 file content From: Ian Lepore To: Zoran Kolic In-Reply-To: <20121231163343.GA1044@mycenae.sbb.rs> References: <20121231163343.GA1044@mycenae.sbb.rs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:47:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1356972471.54953.123.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:47:56 -0000 On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 17:33 +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote: > I'm quite happy to see 9.1 out and want to ask polite and > benevolent question: > regarding times on the site, are iso and img files the same > as 2 weeks ago? To remind noble readers. I installed on my > computers what was release at that time and got it up and > working perfectly. In other words, is it the same file? > Best regards and happy new year > > Zoran There are md5 and sha256 sums posted at http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/announce.html for the official release. Just compare them to the sum for the image you downloaded and installed. -- Ian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:51:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1DF111 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zkolic@sbb.rs) Received: from smtp1.sbb.rs (smtp1.sbb.rs [89.216.2.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2CF8FC0C for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mycenae.localdomain (cable-178-148-113-24.dynamic.sbb.rs [178.148.113.24]) by smtp1.sbb.rs (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id qBVGpiLi014815; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:51:49 +0100 Received: by mycenae.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C7E2D301BC; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:51:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:51:23 +0100 From: Zoran Kolic To: Ian Lepore Subject: Re: 9.1 file content Message-ID: <20121231165123.GA1135@mycenae.sbb.rs> References: <20121231163343.GA1044@mycenae.sbb.rs> <1356972471.54953.123.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1356972471.54953.123.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:51:54 -0000 > There are md5 and sha256 sums posted at > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/announce.html for the official > release. Just compare them to the sum for the image you downloaded and > installed. I can't. That is the trouble. I downloaded an image on the job and set usb stick at now broken hdd. Both files are gone. That is the very reason I ask. Zoran From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:19:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA9E9B8 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:19:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jakub_lach@mailplus.pl) Received: from sam.nabble.com (sam.nabble.com [216.139.236.26]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2575B8FC08 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.236.26] (helo=sam.nabble.com) by sam.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tpj14-0000wX-2i for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:19:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jakub Lach To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1356974350078-5773676.post@n5.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <20121231165123.GA1135@mycenae.sbb.rs> References: <20121231163343.GA1044@mycenae.sbb.rs> <1356972471.54953.123.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <20121231165123.GA1135@mycenae.sbb.rs> Subject: Re: 9.1 file content MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:19:17 -0000 There were no changes in releng/9.1 since tagging... -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/9-1-file-content-tp5773668p5773676.html Sent from the freebsd-stable mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:49:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A72E389 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:49:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275DF8FC0C for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVHn67Z054438 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:49:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:49:06 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Problems with cvs - docs and www X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:49:14 -0000 (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I noticed that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? (No need to reply with "change to svn" - I am aware of that solution. But I still want to know what happened to cvs.) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:58:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57305628; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from onyx.glenbarber.us (onyx.glenbarber.us [IPv6:2607:fc50:1000:c200::face]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1B58FC0C; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from glenbarber.us (75.97.144.133.res-cmts.sewb.ptd.net [75.97.144.133]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gjb) by onyx.glenbarber.us (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DFB1823F763; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:58:11 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.7.1 onyx.glenbarber.us DFB1823F763 Authentication-Results: onyx.glenbarber.us; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (insecure policy) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:58:08 -0500 From: Glen Barber To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Subject: Re: Problems with cvs - docs and www Message-ID: <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 17:58:13 -0000 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) >=20 -doc@ is a better choice. > Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I noticed > that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this > intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And > if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? >=20 We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do so. Glen --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJQ4dIwAAoJEFJPDDeguUajn38H/3zqb/Px9XHsaK9/SxXQXASm ihMUeAR7imS69czel9fHM3wejpALKqVq/ek8zRFgmVcUnGx3Xrq0cHN9jPbnUVle GBmfJbgCuIa/sWT7TPW/PO4x43YVRx/ZXNiAmJrbguVsaa8tzUVpgRhqBDzGh7xT AXeiHzH8z+C76Rdj9F3RQv0pPyJc/v2CjLTZxUQktHWckuJNbvze0PU80+Dib2gI Rnxw92mw4P5UvrNc2jqYVhbwhSnWiawdxNoS74hOkLic9nZSr08OTQ3tAvV+lUZS M6Cx0hlCkZj4T/GI3uVw3+9NQaZs5hlnXwBk29/uU9A95uydqEfAfoo0fLa2RFU= =IT6z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 18:01:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B1873E; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 18:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3878FC0A; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 18:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVI1oJv055299; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:01:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <50E1D30E.5080909@missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:01:50 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Barber Subject: Re: Problems with cvs - docs and www References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> In-Reply-To: <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 18:01:52 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/31/2012 11:58 AM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith > wrote: >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) >> > > -doc@ is a better choice. Thanks. I thought of that moments after I sent my email. > >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I >> noticed that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been >> deleted. Is this intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program >> not working properly? And if it is the latter, are there plans >> to restore it? >> > > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to > do so. OK. Actually that makes my life easier. Thank you. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQ4dMOAAoJEC3xK9GaktgHSmsH/RJ4yXZdImTu6en1j47rM6y/ 5epcnudi4snuE+GQQzAIhAz9y3HN6tDK178518pm0WGR8r21YujKkdTAvLqfEBwX yVFkFzyBeowe+92cX5uW3UNuzWpyvtwObVR6ScECaf56X2S64LUkIR1hI+fLUzko buhh4vH+PTzDoASTLxJPFdodNfU+eQHF61803+a8iypGTi6nUeVJSGzvOslWUaz6 UPH5FVCwYCjYxMwp/d4ZLg6kJ1QCJ30hrkwWp52SYVFu9xHAdvXGPzjwJWbd3kkM rcFdSmTT2+TVTu9e+9+PyuYKSUvwYc37oX5LRjm0vi200tVhg6wskdKsyO2ov2A= =o0L9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 19:52:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD33659 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207348FC08 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVJqBMD030306 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:52:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qBVJq6dF030300; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:52:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:52:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:52:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:52:16 -0000 Greetings, The following is hijacked from another thread, which prompts me to post this question: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) >> > > -doc@ is a better choice. > >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I noticed >> that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this >> intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And >> if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? >> > > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do so. After more that 25yrs of enjoying *BSD, and all it has to offer. I find myself ever so resistant to change -- what with all the maintenance scripts, and procedures I've created/accumulated over the years. As I'm guessing I'm not the only one feeling this way, I'm wondering if there is still a CVS that's still current, that I might be able to mirror, and maintain, moving forward? Perhaps this is all folly, but this subject has been bugging me for some time, and reading this thread prompted me to attempt to address it. Thank you for all your time, and consideration. --Chris > > Glen > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 19:57:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99F0776 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-f174.google.com (mail-ia0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957338FC0C for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y25so10604860iay.5 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:57:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ieqk9MQt+AvuOs9gns9vCDRArJ9Spl3vNSv8rnsQsMo=; b=aP14Ua4gDOEbLHHI7NKINucTB6JtQz+LmvfHSnMCMog8eEPWhGbKAlUJaixgzbhJpv v7pFlQZyuPUi3mgo+Bu/io+wf0/Osk1mlzYKVaftQHA33PobRO+EipMa542RXISPXJF7 CHyEpjxpBx5KXJGWxneZCJ/QH6lpZEE7Zb6a4mxp0VumAxQ75u+3EzK3Nq5FaLWUh7c+ t3Gv+U+CDkyJR9WlJjdlDeVPYwQ5g9bUsycFFHami/erGwfJOG1GO0CG+QSYymKBvQrC Ebl9BDTs7sPgOFodCtQAmlPC4tOjsLQF3+D8L7YcodMKbD6jUifDEoMGdB+J1K9+Uw+h PgsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.178.10 with SMTP id cu10mr32220868igc.75.1356983864838; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:57:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:57:44 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Chris Rees To: Chris H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:57:45 -0000 On 31 Dec 2012 19:52, "Chris H" wrote: > > Greetings, > The following is hijacked from another thread, which prompts me to > post this question: > > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) > >> > > > > -doc@ is a better choice. > > > >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I noticed > >> that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this > >> intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And > >> if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? > >> > > > > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do so. > > After more that 25yrs of enjoying *BSD, and all it has to offer. I find > myself ever so resistant to change -- what with all the maintenance scripts, > and procedures I've created/accumulated over the years. As I'm guessing I'm > not the only one feeling this way, I'm wondering if there is still a CVS > that's still current, that I might be able to mirror, and maintain, moving > forward? Perhaps this is all folly, but this subject has been bugging me > for some time, and reading this thread prompted me to attempt to address > it. > > Thank you for all your time, and consideration. I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. Help is available for updating your scripts to use Subversion, please feel free to ask. Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 20:40:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7B6B2E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:40:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED00A8FC08 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVKeqtv031960; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:40:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qBVKelJs031954; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:40:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:40:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "Chris Rees" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:40:58 -0000 Greetings Chris, and thank you for your reply. > On 31 Dec 2012 19:52, "Chris H" wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> The following is hijacked from another thread, which prompts me to >> post this question: >> >> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith > wrote: >> >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) >> >> >> > >> > -doc@ is a better choice. >> > >> >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I > noticed >> >> that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this >> >> intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And >> >> if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? >> >> >> > >> > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do so. >> >> After more that 25yrs of enjoying *BSD, and all it has to offer. I find >> myself ever so resistant to change -- what with all the maintenance > scripts, >> and procedures I've created/accumulated over the years. As I'm guessing > I'm >> not the only one feeling this way, I'm wondering if there is still a CVS >> that's still current, that I might be able to mirror, and maintain, moving >> forward? Perhaps this is all folly, but this subject has been bugging me >> for some time, and reading this thread prompted me to attempt to address >> it. >> >> Thank you for all your time, and consideration. > > I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live without it. Sigh... IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel left out. Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are they? Thanks again for taking the time to reply, Chris. All the best. --Chris > > Help is available for updating your scripts to use Subversion, please feel > free to ask. > > Chris > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 20:50:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602A0C65 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94188FC15 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fe20so4363991lab.15 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:50:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=caayjnUN/CamRtbMCfEQ5e+lxoURskJTE/8LaQ0BQcQ=; b=ObBPYr6y5sO0iTQDw7lX4Oyzhj/tKlWbaSJp/NmS62J9kvFDdwvFtD1/kpviWCIXJW M4IorfDJ/cIesLSvKjDUzgCFHAUFvqHu3N+OmqyGx7Z3bPyA4YGd+jLUdYat01AFsUgN ucVivMBGhidkJfI62bO5FYkfZB+y2ye1LcV1I= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=caayjnUN/CamRtbMCfEQ5e+lxoURskJTE/8LaQ0BQcQ=; b=Z7sXYfZkx9cjh3LMMCSSwXRr77iEvZOPSZptXN11d08Y5f0kQp7B0dhHQ0Uq563XfE xI1PKsHLLM00bkgy5eEmxVeyem+Cw5xJrCiWGsAi+Obk9bUI+MH4v+AD87j05hQ0hCQR +yCZLqNkpnI4Qt6+n74vlqJpK1VSHIB9hcHvnOLadgMyaduYwd8762ljfhkTfpAYoR5v CtSVyPrl8VWCgCcifB4dj3Dh5/n140BP5ltbq2S6Vo5nfQbeM5/IoJ+lzw7LLWqsKmvs eoOFyj2ms6z+NAd5tJuC+5OUufM/7/2COq1QlToGiJenPS8HepI0NsTHTacZqq2FSwOr kIjA== Received: by 10.152.144.164 with SMTP id sn4mr39594259lab.57.1356987018362; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:50:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.87.102 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:49:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> From: Eitan Adler Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:49:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? To: Chris H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkXFl7uxkc6ib8SXz36Jatt1f5JsBHfrUC2ONckYczCelm3QJbCtt0x9zUMMCnWiTC24A9G Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:50:20 -0000 On 31 December 2012 15:40, Chris H wrote: > Sigh... > IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel > left out. SVN has a number of features which makes development much easier. What did you find easier to accomplish with CVS than with SVN? > Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are > they? Ports and Source currently have CVS trees. Ports has an explicit EoL on February 28th (2 months from today) Source does not have an explicit EoL though it *is* considered deprecated. -- Eitan Adler From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 20:50:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31778D56 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ia0-f180.google.com (mail-ia0-f180.google.com [209.85.210.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDF18FC08 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ia0-f180.google.com with SMTP id t4so10990905iag.11 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:50:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3Ad5S7lXNRMN1tYIAlkfYppq20SSnYLG/C4DWoUqCf8=; b=s8LQaKbjl7EmOUkrwMN4pZ8WTakT4+VO2altkK/WllmBIH4+GYPxm4w4wDS76rnW8v Yc4cpuxR+OcYaIlnWnDE5bi+81k286j++8h9el56BjcgLAOQ03sTL1WOf5ibui4CKEkg G5FdGwMaNah8teh722lfUPx3zfuJfOBPKJpg2j7OzzvzA3xjDqiUcYxJRQhVaLi7eEXm UE6pog+6vIC93w1pB800OOacAAsQQOHcQI+gJEHVkS1ULjusbBiNY7UiRyYvgL3T1Rfr 7As+VoqwH7DWWsKqr0uYMwxLqG/dotTpOcxqzCXkGgqBdMSbQ/uDG9sHf23fB+vEm8rq 6JXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.152.137 with SMTP id uy9mr35768445igb.62.1356987028996; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.65.132 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:50:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:50:28 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Chris Rees To: Chris H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:50:36 -0000 On 31 Dec 2012 20:40, "Chris H" wrote: > > Greetings Chris, and thank you for your reply. > > On 31 Dec 2012 19:52, "Chris H" wrote: > >> > >> Greetings, > >> The following is hijacked from another thread, which prompts me to > >> post this question: > >> > >> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith > > wrote: > >> >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) > >> >> > >> > > >> > -doc@ is a better choice. > >> > > >> >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I > > noticed > >> >> that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this > >> >> intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And > >> >> if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? > >> >> > >> > > >> > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do so. > >> > >> After more that 25yrs of enjoying *BSD, and all it has to offer. I find > >> myself ever so resistant to change -- what with all the maintenance > > scripts, > >> and procedures I've created/accumulated over the years. As I'm guessing > > I'm > >> not the only one feeling this way, I'm wondering if there is still a CVS > >> that's still current, that I might be able to mirror, and maintain, moving > >> forward? Perhaps this is all folly, but this subject has been bugging me > >> for some time, and reading this thread prompted me to attempt to address > >> it. > >> > >> Thank you for all your time, and consideration. > > > > I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. > > That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, > that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all > use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I > asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: > Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live > without it. > Sigh... > IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel > left out. > Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are > they? As far as I know, no FreeBSD CVS repos are current. > Thanks again for taking the time to reply, Chris. You can run your own CVS server should you wish; it's not that hard; there are instructions at [1] if you want something more fully-featured. I promise you that there are many good reasons to switch to something better; I was an avid CVS user at one point, but I sure wouldn't go back now. Chris [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/cvs-freebsd/article.html From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 21:40:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D206EF for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:40:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bright@mu.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982AF8FC0C for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Alfreds-MacBook-Pro-9.local (c-67-180-208-218.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.208.218]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E11901A3C1C for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:40:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:40:10 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:40:19 -0000 On 12/31/12 12:40 PM, Chris H wrote: > | I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. > That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, > that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all > use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I > asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: > Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live > without it. > Sigh... > IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel > left out. > Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are > they? > > Thanks again for taking the time to reply, Chris. > > All the best. > You still really haven't come forward with a concrete reason besides "my workflow" and "my scripts". Svn is a *near* drop in replacement for CVS. If instead of complaining and taking up bandwidth on the lists about old tech, you instead asked about how to move your archaic setup forward then someone would likely step forward and lend you a hand. The project's goal is to support a large user base and the developers in a manner that works with our resources. Supporting CVS (a 2nd gen VCS) while we have been on a 3rd gen (svn) and are finally looking into a 4th gen (git) is just unfair. If you took a few minutes you'd fine the svn command set intuitive and a simple switch over from CVS. -Alfred From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 21:59:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678DDB4A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Received: from wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271CA8FC0C for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (wilberforce.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by wilberforce.math.missouri.edu (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVLx25m070456 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:59:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@missouri.edu) Message-ID: <50E20AA6.9070407@missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:59:02 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> In-Reply-To: <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:59:05 -0000 On 12/31/2012 03:40 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > On 12/31/12 12:40 PM, Chris H wrote: >> | I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. >> That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by >> SF.NET, >> that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all >> use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I >> asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: >> Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live >> without it. >> Sigh... >> IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel >> left out. >> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >> they? >> >> Thanks again for taking the time to reply, Chris. >> >> All the best. >> > You still really haven't come forward with a concrete reason besides "my > workflow" and "my scripts". > > Svn is a *near* drop in replacement for CVS. > > If instead of complaining and taking up bandwidth on the lists about old > tech, you instead asked about how to move your archaic setup forward > then someone would likely step forward and lend you a hand. > > The project's goal is to support a large user base and the developers in > a manner that works with our resources. Supporting CVS (a 2nd gen VCS) > while we have been on a 3rd gen (svn) and are finally looking into a 4th > gen (git) is just unfair. > > If you took a few minutes you'd fine the svn command set intuitive and a > simple switch over from CVS. The reason I asked the original question about docs disappearing from cvs is because I maintain the CTM delivery system. I am in the process of switching CTM from cvs to svn, and IM(NS)HO svn is much, much nicer than cvs or cvsup. I am really looking forward to not having to deal with cvs any more. Give svn a try. My guess is that you will find it easier to work with than you expect. Stephen From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 22:39:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73020EBC for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ea0-f178.google.com (mail-ea0-f178.google.com [209.85.215.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F42348FC08 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f178.google.com with SMTP id k11so5432708eaa.37 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:39:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LgP+PwAujigFfPJocUA6Cr8gIUmxeBd2W/ignBRfD/g=; b=j3s0Kc2ypGemaB9rRF2GSPXw7yO1z9AJYcDrJTbKHf9PMO4LGpfYHIoDvsjGqNwKyO Blx8Q/nv+mgWbJIZGMBmaAh45RBruYnZVczdhw0es0EDZY/zIaOkQVUvPghE/NaZMPf3 1c5dhsciicofIv1gs9UYGR5gKUXCAfFtnRVAoyPjzd6A2pWmXgJl+sBuapQ1CFR2/aWx n0TOeHfzR68Lrm0ypJkfI5iB0Lo43JAsWcA+p77AQtd5tuhj26C5O38gKCAgeZ3a1fnv OVC35yMd9mxADmonAMPZ5R9eIl07AqtG1I82wQCBUZJev3eT8qGWi2LLfaoRtKVuPCln RH4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.184.134 with SMTP id s6mr112858302eem.43.1356993555450; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.170.193 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:39:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:39:15 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: Kevin Oberman To: Chris H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:39:17 -0000 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Chris H wrote: > Greetings Chris, and thank you for your reply. >> On 31 Dec 2012 19:52, "Chris H" wrote: >>> >>> Greetings, >>> The following is hijacked from another thread, which prompts me to >>> post this question: >>> >>> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith >> wrote: >>> >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) >>> >> >>> > >>> > -doc@ is a better choice. >>> > >>> >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I >> noticed >>> >> that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is this >>> >> intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? And >>> >> if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? >>> >> >>> > >>> > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do so. >>> >>> After more that 25yrs of enjoying *BSD, and all it has to offer. I find >>> myself ever so resistant to change -- what with all the maintenance >> scripts, >>> and procedures I've created/accumulated over the years. As I'm guessing >> I'm >>> not the only one feeling this way, I'm wondering if there is still a CVS >>> that's still current, that I might be able to mirror, and maintain, moving >>> forward? Perhaps this is all folly, but this subject has been bugging me >>> for some time, and reading this thread prompted me to attempt to address >>> it. >>> >>> Thank you for all your time, and consideration. >> >> I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. > > That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, > that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all > use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I > asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: > Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live > without it. > Sigh... > IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel > left out. > Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are > they? Have you actually looked at subversion? It is designed to be as close as possible to the CVS command structure. I can't imagine what it has to do with Windows. It was originally written by the same people responsible for CVS and I am reasonably certain it was written on a Unix/Linux system. I converted all of my scripts from csup to svn in a matter of minutes. Converting my source and ports trees to svn took a bit longer, but was almost all in the time it took to copy the files. An 'svn up /usr/ports' pretty much replaces 'csup ports-supfile', but runs much faster. All of that said, I still use CVS for on thing, RANCiD. (It is a system for managing router and switch configurations).It can use either CVS or SVN, but I keep the data is CVS as there is considerable advantage to being able to grep through the delta files to looks for some bit that has long been deleted. (We have about15 years worth of router configurations in our archive.) But this is a special case. I would never recommend anyone use CVS for general purpose code management, (Not sure I'd recommend svn, either, but others are far more of a change from CVS. Give it a try: rm -r /usr/src/* && rm /usr/src/.* && svn co svn://closest_mirror/base/stable/9 /usr/src Then replace csup with 'svn up /usr/src' Then, to update, ` R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 22:40:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EFAFB6 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:40:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBEB8FC16 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVMe0nx037364; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:40:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qBVMdtGf037361; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:39:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <76a7aa4b1baf918bf02734d3336e2b7f.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:39:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "Eitan Adler" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD , Chris Rees X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:40:08 -0000 Greetings Eitan, and thank you for your reply. > On 31 December 2012 15:40, Chris H wrote: >> Sigh... >> IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel >> left out. > > SVN has a number of features which makes development much easier. > > What did you find easier to accomplish with CVS than with SVN? I'm going to resist the temptation to respond to this, out of respect to you, and the list -- lest it turn into a "flame fest" || "bikeshed". I understand that in the core development teams opinion, that the project became too unwieldy to continue maintaining it under CVS. That's their opinion, it's really their project, and I must respect _their_ opinion. That doesn't mean I like it -- or even agree. But, as I am the recipient of the fruits of their labor, who am I to disagree. But, none-the-less, opinions are like ass...ahem... backsides; everyone has one. :) There are arguments on both sides; some (perhaps you) feel SVN has/ provides more options, others (maybe myself) feel the same can be accomplished with CVS, and that migration only causes more initial (and unnecessary) overhead. I'll leave it at that. :) > >> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >> they? > > Ports and Source currently have CVS trees. > Ports has an explicit EoL on February 28th (2 months from today) > Source does not have an explicit EoL though it *is* considered deprecated. Thank you for providing this information, and my apologies, for not having better researched it myself. I'll make an effort to provide a permanent CVS repo for both src && ports. Thanks again, for taking the time to respond. --Chris > > > -- > Eitan Adler > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 22:43:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4914E156 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9FE8FC0C for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVMhPGJ037588; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:43:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qBVMhKo2037582; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:43:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:43:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:43:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "Chris Rees" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:43:31 -0000 Greetings Chris, and thank you for your reply. > On 31 Dec 2012 20:40, "Chris H" wrote: >> >> Greetings Chris, and thank you for your reply. >> > On 31 Dec 2012 19:52, "Chris H" wrote: >> >> >> >> Greetings, >> >> The following is hijacked from another thread, which prompts me to >> >> post this question: >> >> >> >> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49:06AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith >> > wrote: >> >> >> (Not sure if this is the right mailing list, but here goes.) >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > -doc@ is a better choice. >> >> > >> >> >> Last night I did a csup to retrieve the whole cvs repository. I >> > noticed >> >> >> that huge numbers of files in doc and www have been deleted. Is > this >> >> >> intentional, or is it the svn to cvs program not working properly? > And >> >> >> if it is the latter, are there plans to restore it? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > We are not exporting docs from SVN to CVS. There are no plans to do > so. >> >> >> >> After more that 25yrs of enjoying *BSD, and all it has to offer. I find >> >> myself ever so resistant to change -- what with all the maintenance >> > scripts, >> >> and procedures I've created/accumulated over the years. As I'm guessing >> > I'm >> >> not the only one feeling this way, I'm wondering if there is still a > CVS >> >> that's still current, that I might be able to mirror, and maintain, > moving >> >> forward? Perhaps this is all folly, but this subject has been bugging > me >> >> for some time, and reading this thread prompted me to attempt to > address >> >> it. >> >> >> >> Thank you for all your time, and consideration. >> > >> > I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. >> >> That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, >> that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all >> use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I >> asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: >> Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live >> without it. >> Sigh... >> IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel >> left out. >> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >> they? > > As far as I know, no FreeBSD CVS repos are current. > >> Thanks again for taking the time to reply, Chris. > > You can run your own CVS server should you wish; it's not that hard; there > are instructions at [1] if you want something more fully-featured. > > I promise you that there are many good reasons to switch to something > better; I was an avid CVS user at one point, but I sure wouldn't go back > now. I'll try to be more objective -- I have my doubts, but maybe you're correct. :) > > Chris > > [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/cvs-freebsd/article.html Thank you for the link. I'll look into it. > Thanks again. --Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 23:14:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073C9616 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (24-113-197-158.wavecable.com [24.113.197.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDFF8FC08 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from udns.ultimateDNS.NET (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qBVNEhiM039386; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:14:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by udns.ultimateDNS.NET (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id qBVNEcij039383; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:14:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net ([24.113.197.158]) (UDNSMS authenticated user chrish) by ultimatedns.net with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:14:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> References: <50E1D012.1040004@missouri.edu> <20121231175808.GA1399@glenbarber.us> <6817fb4c15659b194cc658b1dfa58a31.authenticated@ultimatedns.net> <50E2063A.9070706@mu.org> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:14:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Does / Is anyone maintaining CVS for FreeBSD? From: "Chris H" To: "Alfred Perlstein" User-Agent: UDNSMS/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:14:48 -0000 Greetings Alfred, and thank you for the response. > On 12/31/12 12:40 PM, Chris H wrote: >> | I'm sorry, but the exporter scripts were always a stopgap. >> That's what I was afraid I would hear. Recently, I was informed by SF.NET, >> that my account would be upgraded, and all the projects I have, which all >> use CVS, would be "upgraded" to SVN (which renders them useless). When I >> asked why, they told me because CVS was so old. To which I stated: >> Indeed, CVS is _quite_ old, and so is TCP/IP. Yet no one can seem live >> without it. >> Sigh... >> IM(NS)HO; SVN is an inferior RCS created so Windows users wouldn't feel >> left out. >> Are there _any_ CVS servers/trunks/tree's left? If so, how _current_ are >> they? >> >> Thanks again for taking the time to reply, Chris. >> >> All the best. >> > You still really haven't come forward with a concrete reason besides "my > workflow" and "my scripts". > > Svn is a *near* drop in replacement for CVS. > > If instead of complaining and taking up bandwidth on the lists about old > tech, you instead asked about how to move your archaic setup forward > then someone would likely step forward and lend you a hand. I /believe/ I covered this in response to an earlier reply. So I'll try to respond, by quoting it here: > What did you find easier to accomplish with CVS than with SVN? I'm going to resist the temptation to respond to this, out of respect to you, and the list -- lest it turn into a "flame fest" || "bikeshed". I understand that in the core development teams opinion, that the project became too unwieldy to continue maintaining it under CVS. That's their opinion, it's really their project, and I must respect _their_ opinion. That doesn't mean I like it -- or even agree. But, as I am the recipient of the fruits of their labor, who am I to disagree. But, none-the-less, opinions are like ass...ahem... backsides; everyone has one. :) There are arguments on both sides; some (perhaps you) feel SVN has/ provides more options, others (maybe myself) feel the same can be accomplished with CVS, and that migration only causes more initial (and unnecessary) overhead. I'll leave it at that. :) > > The project's goal is to support a large user base and the developers in > a manner that works with our resources. Supporting CVS (a 2nd gen VCS) > while we have been on a 3rd gen (svn) and are finally looking into a 4th > gen (git) is just unfair. I won't contend, nor do I believe that you have not put adequate research/investigation into all of this. And I can see that given it's continued growth has prompted much -- if not all of these changes. I would only argue at this point, that making changes mid-stream makes it difficult for all concerned. I guess when it gets down to it, I just wish that all these "changes" could have been evaluated to a point that would require one one -- if any. Make no mistake, I am keenly aware that much has been done to help minimize the impact -- and I _greatly_ appreciate it, and _all_ of the work you all put into it. I guess I, like all humans, are resistant to change (unless it's one they choose). But I have a tremendous amount of "tweaked" ports && src I've been accumulating/maintaining over the years, and _any_ change will come at great cost. Sorry, maybe I'm just whining, but there it is. :/ > > If you took a few minutes you'd fine the svn command set intuitive and a > simple switch over from CVS. I'll take your advice. I must admit, it's been awhile, since I've had the need. I probably should look again. Thank you for the advice, and taking the time to respond. --Chris P.S. Happy New Year! :) > > > -Alfred > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >