From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 11:35:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF273106564A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (bird.sbone.de [46.4.1.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3738FC15 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5A4225D37D1 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB441BE8495 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:35:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MvLSf21rojMA for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nv.sbone.de (nv.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E6E2BE8494 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:35:51 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20120812172415.GB1301@glenbarber.us> Message-ID: References: <20120812172415.GB1301@glenbarber.us> X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Request for Review] Where to put SA texts and patches? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 11:35:56 -0000 On Sun, 12 Aug 2012, Glen Barber wrote: Hello, ok, here's step 2, which needs careful review by a person who understands the docs build framework some better than I do. > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 05:15:11PM +0000, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: >> Hey, >> >> assuming I'd love to put Security Advisory texts and patches into the >> dsvn for www access, where would they best fit? >> >> To be clear, I am talking about what is currently here: >> - http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/ >> - http://security.freebsd.org/patches/ >> >> Would it make sense to put it under >> head/share/security/{advisories,patches}/ >> so it could be shared between translations, or where would be a good >> fit? >> > > I think that suggested location makes sense. This patch starts to install the the texts and patches to data/security/{advisories,patches}/ and is custom Makefile logic in two places. http://people.freebsd.org/~bz/20120818-01-dsvn-security.diff -- Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 19 12:03:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF755106564A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:03:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693918FC0A for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CF314E7F54; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:53:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id TtM4Vx0P_i6q; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:53:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93A5714E7C30; Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:53:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5030D3A1.1040804@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 13:53:05 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" References: <20120812172415.GB1301@glenbarber.us> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Request for Review] Where to put SA texts and patches? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 12:03:01 -0000 Em 19-08-2012 13:35, Bjoern A. Zeeb escreveu: > > This patch starts to install the the texts and patches to > data/security/{advisories,patches}/ and is custom Makefile > logic in two places. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bz/20120818-01-dsvn-security.diff > +_FILES!= cd ${DATADIR} && ${FIND} . -type f > [...] > +.for f in ${_FILES} > + ${INSTALL_WEB} ${DATADIR}/${f} ${DOCINSTALLDIR}/${f:H}/ > +.endfor What if you do DATA!= cd ${DATADIR} && ${FIND} . -type f? I think it should work without extra code. > +# Things that went wrong in the past and had to be fixed. > +# Source Target > +FIXUPLINKS= > +FIXUPLINKS+= SA-04:04/tcp47.patch tcp47.patch > +FIXUPLINKS+= SA-04:04/tcp47.patch.asc tcp47.patch.asc > +FIXUPLINKS+= SA-04:04/tcp52.patch tcp52.patch > +FIXUPLINKS+= SA-04:04/tcp52.patch.asc tcp52.patch.asc > +FIXUPLINKS+= SA-10:05 SA-10-05 > +FIXUPLINKS+= SA-04:09/kadmin.patch SA-04:09/kadmind.patch Would you mind generalizing this and moving the code to share/mk? I think having support for general symlinks is a useful feature. And personally, I would call it simply SYMLINKS since using them is not necessarily bad. > +afterinstall: > +.if defined(DATADIR) && !empty(DATADIR) > + @${ECHO_CMD} "===> ${DATADIR} -> ${DOCINSTALLDIR}" > + @${INSTALL} -o ${WEBOWN} -g ${WEBGRP} -m ${WEBDIRMODE} -d ${DOCINSTALLDIR} > +.for d in ${_DIRS} > + @${INSTALL} -o ${WEBOWN} -g ${WEBGRP} -m ${WEBDIRMODE} -d ${DOCINSTALLDIR}/${d} > +.endfor > +.for f in ${_FILES} > + ${INSTALL_WEB} ${DATADIR}/${f} ${DOCINSTALLDIR}/${f:H}/ > +.endfor I think installing regular files should better be done in install, and afterinstall should be used for symlinks and such additional steps. Anyway, I think your solution is quite clean and simple. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 11:08:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAF2106568E for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:08:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76478FC0C for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:08:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KB89l3048285 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:08:09 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7KB88Pi048266 for freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:08:08 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:08:08 GMT Message-Id: <201208201108.q7KB88Pi048266@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:08:09 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o www/170687 www need to update entry on consulting page o www/170657 www Consulting Listing o www/170656 www New BSD users group in latin america o www/170607 www Listing submission for Consulting company o www/170053 www Mailing list sort options broken for svn lists o www/166496 www HP-UX manual pages are mangled o www/161174 www Make http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/search.cgi search GNAT o www/159291 www Error 404 - when I try to send-pr over freebsd.org/es/ s www/157076 www freebsd-wireless mailing list not shown on web All Lis o www/149446 www [patch] improve misleading title of "report a bug" f www/146089 www On www.freebsd.org some IPv6 mirror sites do not work o www/145917 www SVG at logo.html is broken s www/140580 www svnweb file logs are useless s www/129923 www Need stylesheet for FreeBSD Subversion DAV tree s www/111791 www FreeBSD website messes up while using "links" browser s www/103522 www Search interface oddity s www/73551 www [request] fix list archive 'quoted-printable' corrupti s www/51135 www Problems with the mailing-lists search interface 18 problems total. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 16:49:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19BD1065672; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:49:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0748FC17; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B66114E7F54; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:49:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id elUo7ql13rEn; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:48:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DD2714E7EFC; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:48:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:48:48 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org Subject: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:49:21 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Folks, I'm glad to announce that the first milestone of the XML migration is available for review in the projects/sgml2xml branch. To check it out, run the following: svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/doc/projects/sgml2xml sgml2xml The build process - from the end user perspective - works in the same way. In short, use make all at the proper place, to build only web, run make all WEB_ONLY=yes in the htdocs dir, etc. Then use make install with DESTDIR defined to install files to the proper place. A rendered version of the website is available here: http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/ For the documentation, you can directly go to: http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/doc/ This branch includes the following changes: - - Documentation is updated from DocBook 4.1/SGML to DocBook 4.2/XML - - Webpages are updated from HTML 4.01 Transitional to XHTML 1.0 Transitional - - Static webpages are now processed by XSLT behind the scenes - - Webpages are now built with less cycles; tidy has been removed and the date processing is now done by XSLT - - Generated webpages are now actually valid (they did not use to be) - - All XSLT stylesheets now pull in a main XSLT, which reduces duplicated markup - - Site map and index are converted to an XML format with an XSLT transformation that generates the output - - For docs, there is now only one entity set for both articles and books - - Some trademark/legalnotice entities have been merged to a cohesive single entity file - - Untranslated entity sets are now always pulled in from the English tree instead of redundant copies - - The base and enbase entities are already automatically generated so remove inline definitions from individual files - - Fetch the LEGAL file via http instead of depending on CVS - - Convert id names to lowercase to avoid mixing different styles and for better readability - - All PSGML comments are removed since they are mostly useless As it has been discussed, the character entities will be dropped. This is still in progress but it is already a good moment for the rest to be reviewed since it is a big change that needs proper review and testing. At the same time, this also means that it is not easy to maintain such a big changeset in a branch since merging so many files is really time-consuming so it would be beneficial not to spend more time with merging this back than necessary. I would like to ask you to review this changeset and let me know any type of problems you encounter or any type of doubts you have. It would be nice if all translator projects could check their translations to see if there is any locale-specific problem. Despite the big quantity of the changes, the modernization process of the doc tree is not complete with this change. First, we still use Jade and DSSSL to generate output, which is an SGML tool and works because of the fact that XML is a subset of SGML. But it does not really benefit of XML technologies and the DocBook DSSSL stylesheets are quite obsolete. In a second step, we should migrate to an XSL(T)-based toolset. Secondly, the DocBook 4.2 schema is quite old, the current DocBook version is 5.0. But 4.2 is the first XML version and it still works well with the old DSSSL stylesheets so this was a safe migration path that gives us more time for the migration and for QA. Once this branch is merged back, the migration of the toolset will be started in another branch. Thanks in advance for your review. Regards, Gabor (On behalf of doceng@) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAyanAACgkQkC3QTyNzprGWhACfVzoyEb/WvXkiFn3cGIaCdEdU GzIAoL9AUJzc8WtNPyxH6PZnNKbvwUXA =i60i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 21:24:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F64A106564A; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CF314F0D0; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5032AB02.2040608@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:24:18 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120728 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor Kovesdan References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:24:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Gabor, Thank you for doing this work, and thank you for your excellent project summary. I took a look at the pages rendered with the new system that I have either worked on or had problems with in the past, and it seems that there are some undesirable differences in the new stuff. 1. On http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/ the vertical separators on the location bar extend down below the grey background. Not sure if this is a byproduct of my default font setting being larger than normal or not. 2. Comparing http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/rc-scripts.html vs. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/rc-scripts.html it seems that many elements are missing. The backgrounds for the code and notes, and the colored text for literals are what stand out most to me. 3. On http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/security-notify.html vs. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/security-notify.html I see those same problems. I also noticed that the red square for the Important: section is gone, and that the text following the callouts starts on a new line, instead of following the callout image directly. I hope that this feedback is useful. Doug - -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJQMqsCAAoJEFzGhvEaGryEfeMH/2MShHydRq05dEBdPnSZOam/ XY43mDiV7DiPYBOVmE3zC6Rj5MmbQQKp2EidSVDgaiu6SpPNxMizSBDBcVybUAGA LR0TGKEfOKv6puDD3QHsTDLhiJvbaOX/QJU2YjezrAiZBlQYSP67U9SW/mjvCyQp 4OfW3KFB8PdwJx5/9AlZEW/yowchAu4CeUSYG9aVU2100YXbZ1b+Tq2OpWAmRqAY SX0FBe65eazrLHbruYIW8uzK73f8b4bziKoEme3e6FF5wuPEaiPO3TSQpqgdGXqs mHYs5S8kT4xZTMqWfXi7XTuUkP0Gyec5inYZYu8GUM72qSIpBDP6LfUw8U4pUAE= =eWz6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 21:48:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FEC1065670; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEE98FC0C; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FBB14E7F65; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:48:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id C17tV1hLyk0i; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:47:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A127614E7F61; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:47:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5032B08B.8060706@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:47:55 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <5032AB02.2040608@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <5032AB02.2040608@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:48:02 -0000 Em 20-08-2012 23:24, Doug Barton escreveu: > 1. On http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/ the vertical > separators on the location bar extend down below the grey > background. Not sure if this is a byproduct of my default font > setting being larger than normal or not. I think so because I tried in two different browsers (Firefox and Opera) and it seems normal to me. But if I click on the Large text option, it renders badly. But interestingly, if I only keep pressing Ctrl-+ it never goes wrong. I think that nowadays it is possible in any modern browser to adjust text size, so maybe we should rely on that feature and remove the text size setting and the associated JavaScript code. This is something I thought of earlier but haven't yet raised it on the lists. I'll raise it up when going for the next step of refactoring. > 2. Comparing > http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/rc-scripts.html > > vs. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/rc-scripts.html > > it seems that many elements are missing. The backgrounds for the code > and notes, and the colored text for literals are what stand out > most to me. > > 3. On > http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/security-notify.html > > vs. > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/security-notify.html > I see those same problems. I also noticed that the red square for > the Important: section is gone, and that the text following the > callouts starts on a new line, instead of following the callout > image directly. These both come from the fact that class names are now all in lower case. I don't know the exact reason since I only converted them to lower case in htdocs/ since these are generated with DSSSL. What I suspect is that whether they are generated upper or lower case has to do with tidy. It did such things like converting elements to upper case or messing up character sets, that's why I disabled it in the Hungarian translation from the beginning and now for the whole web. It is also planned to disable it entirely for all docs but the output that Jade generates isn't that fancy. I'll track this down. > I hope that this feedback is useful. Of course, it was very useful! I noticed that everything was readable but I didn't remember to visually compare the results. Thanks for the review! 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Mail: atencioncliente@pendulosoftware.com, infocorp@pendulosoftware.com >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 21:54:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C614C106566B; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:54:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from opti.dougb.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D37153CB2; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5032B21C.2060504@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 14:54:36 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120728 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor Kovesdan References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <5032AB02.2040608@FreeBSD.org> <5032B08B.8060706@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <5032B08B.8060706@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:54:36 -0000 On 08/20/2012 14:47, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Em 20-08-2012 23:24, Doug Barton escreveu: >> 1. On http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/ the vertical >> separators on the location bar extend down below the grey >> background. Not sure if this is a byproduct of my default font >> setting being larger than normal or not. > > I think so because I tried in two different browsers (Firefox and > Opera) and it seems normal to me. But if I click on the Large text > option, it renders badly. But interestingly, if I only keep pressing > Ctrl-+ it never goes wrong. Yes, my understanding is that that what I do (set the minimum default size) somehow works differently than what Ctrl-+ does. > I think that nowadays it is possible in > any modern browser to adjust text size, so maybe we should rely on > that feature and remove the text size setting and the associated > JavaScript code. This is something I thought of earlier but haven't > yet raised it on the lists. I'll raise it up when going for the next > step of refactoring. That location bar has traditionally been a thorn in my side because of the default font settings. If we could get the same utility with a different (and less fragile) back end construction that would be a fabulous result. :) [ examples snipped ] > These both come from the fact that class names are now all in lower > case. I don't know the exact reason since I only converted them to > lower case in htdocs/ since these are generated with DSSSL. What I > suspect is that whether they are generated upper or lower case has to > do with tidy. It did such things like converting elements to upper > case or messing up character sets, that's why I disabled it in the > Hungarian translation from the beginning and now for the whole web. It > is also planned to disable it entirely for all docs but the output > that Jade generates isn't that fancy. I'll track this down. Ok, I hope that this turns out to be an easy fix. >> I hope that this feedback is useful. > > Of course, it was very useful! I noticed that everything was readable > but I didn't remember to visually compare the results. Thanks for the > review! Glad to help. Doug -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do. -- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909) From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 22:46:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337B6106566B; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:46:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66228FC08; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7KMk8GI084815; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7KMk7Y9084812; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:46:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Gabor Kovesdan In-Reply-To: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:46:09 -0000 On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > I'm glad to announce that the first milestone of the XML migration is > available for review in the projects/sgml2xml branch. This is excellent work! First, a question: will the .sgml filenames be changed to .xml? Second, a note on related software: a couple of days ago, Steve Wills was gracious enough to make a port of Publican. Publican is the RedHat doc tool, which takes XML DocBook 4.5 and renders them to HTML or PDF or other formats. It has support for .po and .pot translation files. I have not given it a serious test, but it may be useful now that we have XML files. Thank you! From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 20 23:14:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68496106564A; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D448FC0A; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D9714E7F69; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:14:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Ur77P1NUAQX5; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BF8D14E7F6B; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:14:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5032C4BE.5080209@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 01:14:06 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:14:13 -0000 Em 21-08-2012 00:46, Warren Block escreveu: > First, a question: will the .sgml filenames be changed to .xml? Yes but maintaining a branch with full of renamed files is more messy than later renaming them in head. Probably we'll lock the tree for a very short time and do a bunch rename. > Second, a note on related software: a couple of days ago, Steve Wills > was gracious enough to make a port of Publican. Publican is the RedHat > doc tool, which takes XML DocBook 4.5 and renders them to HTML or PDF or > other formats. It has support for .po and .pot translation files. I > have not given it a serious test, but it may be useful now that we have > XML files. What benefits does it give us over directly calling the underlying tools? I see it uses XSLT to render HTML and it relies on FOP for PDF. This can be done with slight modifications of our Makefiles. Is it worth adding one more layer? It would mean more vendor dependency and performance penalty. From the documentation, my first impression is that it also introduces lots of proprietary things: directory layout, config files, commands and command-line parameters. [1] I think you can achieve the same things by our simple Makefile macros and direct editing of the XML files, which is not a high expectation towards doc committers but requiring to learn a totally proprietary system may not be that welcome. The translation support would be interesting but first we should evaluate if such a method is appropriate for us (having a small demo would be nice with a sample source and a sample translation file) and if so, we can very well "extract" the way it is done in Publican without having to adopt the whole system with the complexities and lots of dependencies. [2] Anyway, FOP is the best free renderer out for PDF but it depends on Java. Publican also uses FOP. Personally, I think we should get a compromise and depend on Java or otherwise we never will have modern features and outlook in our PDF documents. But some people will object so if we want quality we will have to convince them whether we use Publican or not. [1] http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/2.7/html/Users_Guide/chap-Users_Guide-Creating_a_document.html#sect-Users_Guide-Files_in_the_book_directory [2] https://fedorahosted.org/publican/wiki/Installing Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 00:16:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFAB106564A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:16:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBC28FC0C; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7L0GWn3085076; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7L0GWdo085073; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:16:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Gabor Kovesdan In-Reply-To: <5032C4BE.5080209@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <5032C4BE.5080209@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 00:16:33 -0000 On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Em 21-08-2012 00:46, Warren Block escreveu: >> First, a question: will the .sgml filenames be changed to .xml? > > Yes but maintaining a branch with full of renamed files is more messy > than later renaming them in head. Probably we'll lock the tree for a > very short time and do a bunch rename. > >> Second, a note on related software: a couple of days ago, Steve Wills >> was gracious enough to make a port of Publican. Publican is the RedHat >> doc tool, which takes XML DocBook 4.5 and renders them to HTML or PDF or >> other formats. It has support for .po and .pot translation files. I >> have not given it a serious test, but it may be useful now that we have >> XML files. > > What benefits does it give us over directly calling the underlying > tools? I see it uses XSLT to render HTML and it relies on FOP for PDF. > This can be done with slight modifications of our Makefiles. Is it worth > adding one more layer? It would mean more vendor dependency and > performance penalty. From the documentation, my first impression is that > it also introduces lots of proprietary things: directory layout, config > files, commands and command-line parameters. [1] I think you can achieve > the same things by our simple Makefile macros and direct editing of the > XML files, which is not a high expectation towards doc committers but > requiring to learn a totally proprietary system may not be that welcome. Agreed. I think the primary benefit would be taking advantage of a toolchain that someone else maintains. I don't know how well it would work for us. The nice thing is that with DocBook XML, the choice becomes available. > Anyway, FOP is the best free renderer out for PDF but it depends on > Java. Publican also uses FOP. Personally, I think we should get a > compromise and depend on Java or otherwise we never will have modern > features and outlook in our PDF documents. With OpenJDK, Java is a lot less of a hassle than previously. > But some people will object so if we want quality we will have to > convince them whether we use Publican or not. > > [1] > http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/2.7/html/Users_Guide/chap-Users_Guide-Creating_a_document.html#sect-Users_Guide-Files_in_the_book_directory > > [2] https://fedorahosted.org/publican/wiki/Installing > > Gabor > From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 07:24:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD35D106566C; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkois@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D9D8FC15; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 07:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7L7OHkd018662; 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Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B82C8FC0C; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788F714E7F7E; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:56:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ldTKmgGg1rn7; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6346314E7F7C; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50334D56.6020809@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:56:54 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <5032C4BE.5080209@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:57:01 -0000 Em 21-08-2012 02:16, Warren Block escreveu: > Agreed. I think the primary benefit would be taking advantage of a > toolchain that someone else maintains. I don't know how well it would > work for us. The nice thing is that with DocBook XML, the choice > becomes available. I'm not saying either that it is useless. It can be a good source of ideas, I just wouldn't adopt it as is. >> Anyway, FOP is the best free renderer out for PDF but it depends on >> Java. Publican also uses FOP. Personally, I think we should get a >> compromise and depend on Java or otherwise we never will have modern >> features and outlook in our PDF documents. > > With OpenJDK, Java is a lot less of a hassle than previously. I'm not following the OpenJDK development these days. Does it require any bootstrap JDK to build? And once built, can we distribute it freely as a normal package? Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 10:49:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20793106566B; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BDB8FC0A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E10014E7F7C; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:49:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id cxJlvqLkQjUc; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:49:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 524DE14E7F71; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:49:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <503367C2.1030305@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:49:38 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:49:55 -0000 Em 20-08-2012 18:48, Gabor Kovesdan escreveu: > I would like to ask you to review this changeset and let me know > any type of problems you encounter or any type of doubts you have. > It would be nice if all translator projects could check their > translations to see if there is any locale-specific problem. FYI, two reported bugs have been fixed: - Rendering of special characters, like ™ now seems correct. (Reported by: bcr) - CSS has been updated to match the now lower case class names so code snippets, important notices, etc. are now rendered correctly in HTML. (Reported by: dougb) The rendered docs are updated, as well. Also, please note that PDF versions are also available, you just have to edit the URL manually since there's an index.html in each directory. For articles, the pdf is called article.pdf and for books book.pdf. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 15:21:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F41A10657C1; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:21:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3857B8FC12; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7LFL1K7091302; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7LFL1TK091299; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:21:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Gabor Kovesdan In-Reply-To: <50334D56.6020809@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <5032C4BE.5080209@FreeBSD.org> <50334D56.6020809@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 09:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:21:02 -0000 On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Em 21-08-2012 02:16, Warren Block escreveu: >> Agreed. I think the primary benefit would be taking advantage of a >> toolchain that someone else maintains. I don't know how well it would >> work for us. The nice thing is that with DocBook XML, the choice >> becomes available. > > I'm not saying either that it is useless. It can be a good source of > ideas, I just wouldn't adopt it as is. > >>> Anyway, FOP is the best free renderer out for PDF but it depends on >>> Java. Publican also uses FOP. Personally, I think we should get a >>> compromise and depend on Java or otherwise we never will have modern >>> features and outlook in our PDF documents. >> >> With OpenJDK, Java is a lot less of a hassle than previously. > > I'm not following the OpenJDK development these days. Does it require > any bootstrap JDK to build? Apparently so. The java/openjdk6 port has a build dependency on diablo-jdk16. > And once built, can we distribute it freely as a normal package? >From http://openjdk.java.net/faq/ "GPL v2 for almost all of the virtual machine, and GPL v2 + the Classpath exception for the class libraries and those parts of the virtual machine that expose public APIs." From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 19:54:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934B81065670; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from emx.nitro.dk (leto.nitro.dk [178.63.52.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9688FC23; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFE72B753D; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emx.nitro.dk ([127.0.1.2]) by mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id KPPDsfhmSW_A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.24] (unknown [89.100.2.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D78CD2B7532; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:54:36 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1FDFD92B-36C6-4BE8-88FB-8C6D2A759954@FreeBSD.org> References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> To: Gabor Kovesdan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:54:46 -0000 On 20 Aug 2012, at 17:48, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Dear Folks, >=20 > I'm glad to announce that the first milestone of the XML migration is > available for review in the projects/sgml2xml branch. To check it out, > run the following: >=20 > svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/doc/projects/sgml2xml sgml2xml >=20 > The build process - from the end user perspective - works in the same > way. In short, use make all at the proper place, to build only web, = run > make all WEB_ONLY=3Dyes in the htdocs dir, etc. Then use make install = with > DESTDIR defined to install files to the proper place. We really should fix this (the magic of en/htdocs building other = languages too etc; DESTDIR not meaning what it does in base etc.), but = that can be done later. > A rendered version of the website is available here: > http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/ > For the documentation, you can directly go to: > http://people.freebsd.org/~gabor/xmlweb/data/doc/ >=20 > This branch includes the following changes: > - - Documentation is updated from DocBook 4.1/SGML to DocBook 4.2/XML > - - Webpages are updated from HTML 4.01 Transitional to XHTML 1.0 > Transitional I looked at a random page, and the identation for the header is a bit = funny. Is that just an artifact of an automatic conversion or? Example: = http://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc/projects/sgml2xml/en_US.ISO8859-1/htdocs/log= o.sgml?revision=3D39396&view=3Dmarkup > - - Static webpages are now processed by XSLT behind the scenes > - - Webpages are now built with less cycles; tidy has been removed and = the > date processing is now done by XSLT Yay. tidy die die die :-). > - - Generated webpages are now actually valid (they did not use to be) > - - All XSLT stylesheets now pull in a main XSLT, which reduces = duplicated > markup > - - Site map and index are converted to an XML format with an XSLT > transformation that generates the output > - - For docs, there is now only one entity set for both articles and = books > - - Some trademark/legalnotice entities have been merged to a cohesive > single entity file > - - Untranslated entity sets are now always pulled in from the English > tree instead of redundant copies > - - The base and enbase entities are already automatically generated = so > remove inline definitions from individual files > - - Fetch the LEGAL file via http instead of depending on CVS If you are going to change it, could you please change it to use svn and = with a REPO path we can set from the web build wrapper? I would REALLY = like if we could get the web build fixed to never try to get data from = the internet. > - - Convert id names to lowercase to avoid mixing different styles and = for > better readability > - - All PSGML comments are removed since they are mostly useless >=20 > As it has been discussed, the character entities will be dropped. This > is still in progress but it is already a good moment for the rest to = be > reviewed since it is a big change that needs proper review and = testing. > At the same time, this also means that it is not easy to maintain such = a > big changeset in a branch since merging so many files is really > time-consuming so it would be beneficial not to spend more time with > merging this back than necessary. I would like to ask you to review = this > changeset and let me know any type of problems you encounter or any = type > of doubts you have. It would be nice if all translator projects could > check their translations to see if there is any locale-specific = problem. >=20 > Despite the big quantity of the changes, the modernization process of > the doc tree is not complete with this change. First, we still use = Jade > and DSSSL to generate output, which is an SGML tool and works because = of > the fact that XML is a subset of SGML. But it does not really benefit = of Do that mean that the current build dependencies are unchanged? > XML technologies and the DocBook DSSSL stylesheets are quite obsolete. > In a second step, we should migrate to an XSL(T)-based toolset. > Secondly, the DocBook 4.2 schema is quite old, the current DocBook > version is 5.0. But 4.2 is the first XML version and it still works = well > with the old DSSSL stylesheets so this was a safe migration path that > gives us more time for the migration and for QA. Once this branch is > merged back, the migration of the toolset will be started in another > branch. Sure, I think it makes a lot of sense to do that separately later. = Smaller steps makes it much simpler to test verify etc. > Thanks in advance for your review. Thanks for working on this! We were talking on doing this when I was a = new doc committer :-). PS. sorry for not following up on the previous mails wrt. XHTML etc... = limited time unfortunately. --=20 Simon L. B. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 19:57:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61745106566C; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from emx.nitro.dk (leto.nitro.dk [178.63.52.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181038FC1E; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45F52B75A5; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emx.nitro.dk ([127.0.1.2]) by mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2F1IebfEMDV7; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.24] (unknown [89.100.2.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53A6B2B759F; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:57:17 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> To: Gabor Kovesdan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: doceng... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:57:23 -0000 On 20 Aug 2012, at 17:48, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > I'm glad to announce that the first milestone of the XML migration is > available for review in the projects/sgml2xml branch. To check it out, > run the following: [cut] > Regards, > Gabor > (On behalf of doceng@) [separate mail to not confuse different topics] Does that mean that the role of doceng has changed? In the past doceng = has not really been involved in stuff like this (as in, it was much more = limited what doceng did for doc compared to what portmgr does for = ports). If so, the charter should be updated. (and yes, my implicit hint = is that I don't see a point in doceng taking on this new role.) --=20 Simon L. B. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 21:18:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7571065670; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:18:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFA58FC15; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF1314E7F93; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:18:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id eEYoUxFZms2l; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 99E2514E7EF5; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5033FB1B.6070004@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:18:19 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <1FDFD92B-36C6-4BE8-88FB-8C6D2A759954@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1FDFD92B-36C6-4BE8-88FB-8C6D2A759954@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:18:31 -0000 Em 21-08-2012 21:54, Simon L. B. Nielsen escreveu: > > On 20 Aug 2012, at 17:48, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > >> Dear Folks, >> >> I'm glad to announce that the first milestone of the XML migration is >> available for review in the projects/sgml2xml branch. To check it out, >> run the following: >> >> svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/doc/projects/sgml2xml sgml2xml >> >> The build process - from the end user perspective - works in the same >> way. In short, use make all at the proper place, to build only web, run >> make all WEB_ONLY=yes in the htdocs dir, etc. Then use make install with >> DESTDIR defined to install files to the proper place. > > We really should fix this (the magic of en/htdocs building other languages too etc; DESTDIR not meaning what it does in base etc.), but that can be done later. Agreed. Besides, we have DOCDIR, WEBGRP, DOCGRP. They should just be DESTDIR and DOCGRP. But I think it comes from the times when doc and www were separated more physically. > I looked at a random page, and the identation for the header is a bit funny. Is that just an artifact of an automatic conversion or? Example: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc/projects/sgml2xml/en_US.ISO8859-1/htdocs/logo.sgml?revision=39396&view=markup Yes, it was a scripted conversion and because of the indentation of files is not consistent, I couldn't do it in a way that would match all files. > > If you are going to change it, could you please change it to use svn and with a REPO path we can set from the web build wrapper? I would REALLY like if we could get the web build fixed to never try to get data from the internet. I don't think it is (a) entirely possible and I'm not sure if it's (b) practical. (a) You cannot easily build INDEX as part of the doc build and there are some pages that already depend on remote resources. I remember that something fetches some .rdf files and the GNOME newsflash used to pull in some official GNOME news. This part stopped to work so I commented it out. (b) I think depending on having a local svn mirror of ports is worse than just fetching a simple file. Ok, you could set the repo path to the remote repo but that needs setup and fetching from http just works out of the box. What do others think? > Do that mean that the current build dependencies are unchanged? Yes. We went to DocBook 4.2 but it was already a dependency. And I could build everything on freefall. > Thanks for working on this! We were talking on doing this when I was a new doc committer :-). It is indeed quite overdue but the rest will be probably much easier. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 21:29:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABA81065749; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:29:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from emx.nitro.dk (leto.nitro.dk [178.63.52.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD248FC0A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB4E2B79FC; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emx.nitro.dk ([127.0.1.2]) by mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wZpJ3YE8_gJB; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.24] (unknown [89.100.2.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 15E862B79F9; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) From: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <5033FB1B.6070004@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 22:29:26 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8A0FB374-8843-4D85-A787-7DEE341C2EC9@FreeBSD.org> References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <1FDFD92B-36C6-4BE8-88FB-8C6D2A759954@FreeBSD.org> <5033FB1B.6070004@FreeBSD.org> To: Gabor Kovesdan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:29:31 -0000 On 21 Aug 2012, at 22:18, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Em 21-08-2012 21:54, Simon L. B. Nielsen escreveu: >>=20 >> On 20 Aug 2012, at 17:48, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: >>=20 >>> Dear Folks, >>>=20 >>> I'm glad to announce that the first milestone of the XML migration = is >>> available for review in the projects/sgml2xml branch. To check it = out, >>> run the following: >>>=20 >>> svn co http://svn.freebsd.org/doc/projects/sgml2xml sgml2xml >>>=20 >>> The build process - from the end user perspective - works in the = same >>> way. In short, use make all at the proper place, to build only web, = run >>> make all WEB_ONLY=3Dyes in the htdocs dir, etc. Then use make = install with >>> DESTDIR defined to install files to the proper place. >>=20 >> We really should fix this (the magic of en/htdocs building other = languages too etc; DESTDIR not meaning what it does in base etc.), but = that can be done later. >=20 > Agreed. Besides, we have DOCDIR, WEBGRP, DOCGRP. They should just be > DESTDIR and DOCGRP. But I think it comes from the times when doc and = www > were separated more physically. Well, to a degree - it shouldn't be DESTDIR IMO, as DESTDIR in src is by = default, and BINDIR etc. sets where things live relative to that... as = in, paths are basically: ${DESTDIR}${BINDIR}/ls (where BINDIR is /bin) and so on. So IMO, we should use something other than DESTDIR to say = where things live relative to the "root"... anyway, it wasn't that I = wanted to really disuss this now as I don't want to sidetrack the XML = work, I was just reminded that our build system really is a mess :-) (I = tried to rewrite it from scratch once... it's not trivial :-) ). >> I looked at a random page, and the identation for the header is a bit = funny. Is that just an artifact of an automatic conversion or? Example: = http://svnweb.freebsd.org/doc/projects/sgml2xml/en_US.ISO8859-1/htdocs/log= o.sgml?revision=3D39396&view=3Dmarkup >=20 > Yes, it was a scripted conversion and because of the indentation of > files is not consistent, I couldn't do it in a way that would match = all > files. OK, then I think that should just be cleaned up later as we go. >> If you are going to change it, could you please change it to use svn = and with a REPO path we can set from the web build wrapper? I would = REALLY like if we could get the web build fixed to never try to get data = from the internet. >=20 > I don't think it is (a) entirely possible and I'm not sure if it's (b) > practical. > (a) You cannot easily build INDEX as part of the doc build and there = are Eh, you don't need to. That's why we have an override to point the build = at the right INDEX file. We (as in, www.FreeBSD.org) don't fetch it now. > some pages that already depend on remote resources. I remember that > something fetches some .rdf files and the GNOME newsflash used to pull > in some official GNOME news. This part stopped to work so I commented = it Yes, I strongly disagree that we should have that due to the problems = whenever upstream doesn't work. > out. OK, good :-). > (b) I think depending on having a local svn mirror of ports is worse > than just fetching a simple file. Ok, you could set the repo path to = the > remote repo but that needs setup and fetching from http just works out > of the box. > What do others think? I'm fine if you do it for people who want it, but please make an = override which can be used for www.FreeBSD.org etc. Also, there is = nothing which says the the mirror has to be local. If you just make it a = repo path, it will be able to work via HTTP for normal users directly = from an svn mirror too. >> Do that mean that the current build dependencies are unchanged? >=20 > Yes. We went to DocBook 4.2 but it was already a dependency. And I = could > build everything on freefall. Great, that was mostly as we of course need to have any new dependency = installed on all the relevant FreeBSD.org servers. --=20 Simon L. B. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 21 21:54:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248F7106564A; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C659C8FC0C; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9850614E7F95; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:54:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2SxiNSatBkXW; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:54:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A6D014E7EF5; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:54:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50340388.6@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 23:54:16 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: doceng... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:54:24 -0000 Em 21-08-2012 21:57, Simon L. B. Nielsen escreveu: > Does that mean that the role of doceng has changed? In the past doceng has not really been involved in stuff like this (as in, it was much more limited what doceng did for doc compared to what portmgr does for ports). If so, the charter should be updated. (and yes, my implicit hint is that I don't see a point in doceng taking on this new role.) Well, the charter says doceng@ is responsible for the toolchain and the correct functioning of doc and www. It's subjective but I think that keeping the toolset modern and up to date with technology is also part of that functioning. And it seems that mostly hrs@ and I are pushing this stuff and I talked mostly to him about this apart from the public discussions so I associated the subject with doceng@. I don't care too much if I do it "individually" or on behalf of doceng, I just want to see progress. :) Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 11:06:34 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A3A1065748 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jesusr@voztele.com) Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62AA8FC1B for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so636191ggn.13 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:precedence :x-autoreply:auto-submitted:x-gm-message-state; bh=7e6mAHHuet53Q+B+DqD00Bk+3lrPrltgKWV+eM/vDU0=; b=MIm2Bs4Zgg/iTPL+4UtjrrjVC+f6RYVf10OBIytF6P1yMbiteFh/vyVxoR8m5+96ux jwKZscxnNWg3Pqw3DOOKW5CEekURYVITUYad3Z+ecRUv0Gm4C4rEnEKploeocJFo2i8M k1exwV3lcVHoJaNo1y7fY3CkcgE3YR4sV1P7Vi8+EqwKupgLFuL1uNO2lsoEFLYgGfAF x51NmUJRoLOHFHgLIjqS2L4rXz9fQnXZJ4fWjJ8XGelEaEfbhwX9Z4yCu+GCTiNnu/YG lwzJZdC8vT7GOMbNlJFj1W6cSHOfd+EA9mrYNsZDxTEUVmxuW+seaeWJZFEjxeYR8myz czrQ== Received: by 10.50.149.137 with SMTP id ua9mr1580838igb.65.1345633586544; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:06:26 -0700 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Rodr=EDguez?=" To: www@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk X-Autoreply: yes Auto-Submitted: auto-replied X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkg9KfJdcMJjfPoGmNZe+lGIu7iq+IvpKaUcbqhZtxhsEcioa7LW4JoxkBMS5CSXMg70N6W Cc: Subject: Fuera de la oficina / Out of office Re: Cron nice -5 env supfile=gnats-supfile lockf_option="-t 120" /usr/local/www/bin/cvsup-mirror X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:06:34 -0000 Estar=E9 fuera de la oficina hasta el 3 de Septiembre. 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If there is some urgent issue, please, contact with tech@voztele.com or +34931590800 Saludos / Regards. --=20 Saludos JesusR. ------------------------------------ Jesus Rodriguez VozTelecom Sistemas, S.L. jesusr@voztele.com http://www.voztele.com Tel. 902360305 ------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 23 12:10:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0BE106566B for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:10:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852888FC14 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7NCA2g0099243 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:10:02 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7NCA2KJ099242; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:10:02 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:10:02 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <201208231210.q7NCA2KJ099242@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Sean Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12084106564A for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from red.freebsd.org (red.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E007F8FC12 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by red.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7NC7W5d039493 for ; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:07:32 GMT (envelope-from nobody@red.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by red.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q7NC7Wga039492; Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:07:32 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <201208231207.q7NC7Wga039492@red.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:07:32 GMT From: Sean To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: www/170915: Out-dated dev links at http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:10:02 -0000 >Number: 170915 >Category: www >Synopsis: Out-dated dev links at http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Aug 23 12:10:01 UTC 2012 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sean >Release: N/A >Organization: >Environment: n/a >Description: Hi there, A few of the technote links are outdated. Where links are broken, I've located the archived articles at developer.apple.com, and where articles have vanished, I've provided links to Internet Archive links. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: "TN1061: Fundamentals of Open Firmware, Part 1 - The User Interface" https://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/#technotes/tn/tn1061.html "TN1062: Fundamentals of Open Firmware, Part 2 - The Device Tree" https://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/#technotes/tn/tn1062.html "Apple hardware developer docs" (not the ideal replacement link, as there's no longer a single home page for old hardware, but the hardware content is easily searchable) http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/navigation/ "TN2004: Debugging Open Firmware Using Telnet" http://web.archive.org/web/20080514111646/http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2004.html "TN2023: Open Firmware Ethernet Debugging II - Telnet Downloading" http://web.archive.org/web/20080509173539/http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn2023.html "TN2001: Running Files from a Hard Drive in Open Firmware" https://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/#technotes/tn/tn2001.html >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 09:36:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D258106566B for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelteagles03@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9439C8FC19 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so3177308pbb.13 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:36:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=cwaoYVuR2GwGG4ozS+u8s8r4th/L8uHwpAP9yIPUHVQ=; b=BV+TGDW2+pQMNk2uPFUCbdf3BU7SsW0ZoniwfZvE8Q5Y7dKHAE6Qi3vD3mfGhmOZn3 bDqkWqg6TEkaw+LVpYKdKOWgVtTvSMXfbOe+9FuainD4TQVkYFjpljQzs1uYQ/4OGdTm wd9KYdDgHdBhuR6byUsuMbaEQKlkAbZ09i0Hlo/0kpV2pyudt8oe/FmI3r5k5LmkuYQ6 82+TIGRYs9IVjE9scSnWkP1YKa5EN6RdqgghVnFWObeRLWN+j5cYJljrwi2yJ87OM+TU 9wqPOgwMmD6I6dTtZaxJbAHIAD9zMnDQevy97nnfVOIQIc+HKuJQ8Bu4S6ddOQW9d/Ec 6muA== Received: by 10.68.217.69 with SMTP id ow5mr11478319pbc.35.1345801004883; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from userPC ([120.56.159.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ty1sm7919830pbc.76.2012.08.24.02.36.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 24 Aug 2012 02:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50374b2c.c1e9440a.3bdf.3ae9@mx.google.com> From: "Shalu Singh" To: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:58:11 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ac2B2j0yILI/ysJ9SGu92cx3mKDhnQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7600.16385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Mobiles Application Development Proposal X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:36:46 -0000 Hi, My name is Shalu Singh. 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From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 15:00:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB15106566C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:00:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650808FC1C for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7OF09Iu028898 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:00:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7OF09en028897; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:00:09 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:00:09 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <201208241500.q7OF09en028897@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, JJ Fiasson Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB371065675 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:59:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from red.freebsd.org (red.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23578FC15 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by red.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7OEx9b5059949 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:59:09 GMT (envelope-from nobody@red.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by red.freebsd.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q7OEx9Dm059948; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:59:09 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <201208241459.q7OEx9Dm059948@red.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:59:09 GMT From: JJ Fiasson To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.1 Cc: Subject: www/170996: Submission has wrong URL set for title X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:00:09 -0000 >Number: 170996 >Category: www >Synopsis: Submission has wrong URL set for title >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-www >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Aug 24 15:00:09 UTC 2012 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: JJ Fiasson >Release: >Organization: Cloud B IT Support >Environment: >Description: Hey guys, We submitted our site for listing in the consulting section. Our entry is now there, but for some reason our business name - Cloud BT IT Support points to www.clue.com. It should point to www.it-support.com.au. If you could please amend this that would be great, thank you! Kind Regards, JJ Fiasson >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 24 23:16:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBBA106564A; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jkois@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CA28FC08; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7ONGjDx086972; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:16:45 GMT (envelope-from jkois@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jkois@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q7ONGjqU086967; Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:16:45 GMT (envelope-from jkois) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:16:45 GMT Message-Id: <201208242316.q7ONGjqU086967@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jkois@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, jkois@FreeBSD.org From: jkois@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/170996: Submission has wrong URL set for title X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:16:46 -0000 Synopsis: Submission has wrong URL set for title Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->jkois Responsible-Changed-By: jkois Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Aug 24 23:16:22 UTC 2012 Responsible-Changed-Why: Take. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=170996 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 15:36:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCC2106566B; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:36:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05D58FC0C; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.allbsd.org (p2214-ipbf2707funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [123.225.119.214]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7PFaeoS010560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:36:50 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7PFachK015645; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:36:40 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:28:45 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20120826.002845.1234591490988245305.hrs@allbsd.org> To: gabor@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 23.4 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug_26_00_28_45_2012_928)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:36:50 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.1 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, ONLY1HOPDIRECT, SAMEHELOBY2HOP, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:36:58 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug_26_00_28_45_2012_928)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabor Kovesdan wrote in <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org>: ga> - - For docs, there is now only one entity set for both articles and books ga> - - Some trademark/legalnotice entities have been merged to a cohesive ga> single entity file ga> - - Untranslated entity sets are now always pulled in from the English ga> tree instead of redundant copies ga> - - The base and enbase entities are already automatically generated so ga> remove inline definitions from individual files ga> - - Fetch the LEGAL file via http instead of depending on CVS ga> - - Convert id names to lowercase to avoid mixing different styles and for ga> better readability I am concerned about the impact of this change. There are many links to pages in www.freebsd.org and converting the ids can break them. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug_26_00_28_45_2012_928)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlA47y0ACgkQTyzT2CeTzy3AagCgrdhOIQxU7ygrI97ajhSIPLHC bkAAn1MxvgxA8GGof7n/g5k8DNIX+IZX =D2Fb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug_26_00_28_45_2012_928)---- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 16:58:19 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E71B106564A; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCB28FC15; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A92914E7FE1; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:58:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3m0eEmkNnsEc; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:58:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.117] (catv-80-98-232-12.catv.broadband.hu [80.98.232.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C48F314E7C30; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:58:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:58:14 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120604 Thunderbird/14.0a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiroki Sato References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.002845.1234591490988245305.hrs@allbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20120826.002845.1234591490988245305.hrs@allbsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:58:19 -0000 On 2012.08.25. 17:28, Hiroki Sato wrote: > ga> - - Convert id names to lowercase to avoid mixing different styles and for > ga> better readability > > I am concerned about the impact of this change. There are many links > to pages inwww.freebsd.org and converting the ids can break them. It is an important point but actually they are mostly header id and class names. There were a couple of other ones in these files: art.sgml logo.sgml java/howhelp.sgml The third one is extremely outdated and the first two is about logos and banners, which - I think - is not such type of content that usually people link from outside. With this in mind, do you think it is still a problem? If so, I can revert those files. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 17:59:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DFC106566B; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:59:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.allbsd.org (gatekeeper.allbsd.org [IPv6:2001:2f0:104:e001::32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107B28FC08; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from alph.allbsd.org (p2214-ipbf2707funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [123.225.119.214]) (authenticated bits=128) by mail.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7PHxYiS039625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 02:59:44 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by alph.allbsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7PHxXZZ017857; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 02:59:34 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 02:58:45 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> To: gabor@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.002845.1234591490988245305.hrs@allbsd.org> <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 23.4 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug_26_02_58_46_2012_262)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.4 at gatekeeper.allbsd.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.allbsd.org [133.31.130.32]); Sun, 26 Aug 2012 02:59:45 +0900 (JST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.1 required=13.0 tests=CONTENT_TYPE_PRESENT, ONLY1HOPDIRECT, SAMEHELOBY2HOP, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on gatekeeper.allbsd.org Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:59:53 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug_26_02_58_46_2012_262)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gabor Kovesdan wrote in <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org>: ga> On 2012.08.25. 17:28, Hiroki Sato wrote: ga> > ga> - - Convert id names to lowercase to avoid mixing different styles ga> > and for ga> > ga> better readability ga> > ga> > I am concerned about the impact of this change. There are many links ga> > to pages inwww.freebsd.org and converting the ids can break them. ga> It is an important point but actually they are mostly header id and ga> class names. There were a couple of other ones in these files: ga> art.sgml ga> logo.sgml ga> java/howhelp.sgml ga> ga> The third one is extremely outdated and the first two is about logos ga> and banners, which - I think - is not such type of content that ga> usually people link from outside. With this in mind, do you think it ga> is still a problem? If so, I can revert those files. Ah, what I wanted to point out is that not only in the headers the ids are converted to lower case in the new framework. I also think we can ignore the impact for the headers. As you know, the Jade program uses the upper case because it supports SGML general name normalization for the ids and NAMECASE GENERAL is YES in SGML declaration for HTML. The xsltproc program does not always do so because NAMECASE GENERAL is always NO in XML. -- Hiroki ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug_26_02_58_46_2012_262)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlA5ElYACgkQTyzT2CeTzy19GwCg2LtkLekAy90GC2BE78BBW7mg IukAoLixs79F8xYz0Q081yZ+sk7d3JxJ =MxzV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Aug_26_02_58_46_2012_262)---- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 25 19:16:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90DA106564A; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FFF8FC08; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D96214E7F3C; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:16:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id VcVQuIvaRqbm; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:16:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25E9814E7C30; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:16:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50392481.1070708@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:16:17 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiroki Sato References: <50326A70.5020009@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.002845.1234591490988245305.hrs@allbsd.org> <50390426.40604@FreeBSD.org> <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20120826.025845.2271349946315727916.hrs@allbsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doceng@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [CALL FOR REVIEW] doc and www converted to XML X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:16:26 -0000 Em 25-08-2012 19:58, Hiroki Sato escreveu: > Ah, what I wanted to point out is that not only in the headers the > ids are converted to lower case in the new framework. I also > think we can ignore the impact for the headers. > > As you know, the Jade program uses the upper case because it > supports SGML general name normalization for the ids and NAMECASE > GENERAL is YES in SGML declaration for HTML. The xsltproc program > does not always do so because NAMECASE GENERAL is always NO in > XML. Ok, now I see you are referring to docs not www. I was talking about www because I only did manual conversion there. A side effect of changing the SGML declaration used by Jade to enforce XML syntax is that NAMECASE GENERAL is NO as you said. For now, I don't know what to do with that. If we start using XSLT, we can customize the DocBook XSL stlyesheets to do such a normalization. I think it shouldn't be difficult but I'll have to see how the corresponding parts are written in DocBook XSL. Do you have any suggestions how to handle this for the interim period? Gabor