From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 07:40:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0F5106564A; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from emx.nitro.dk (leto.nitro.dk [178.63.52.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCE48FC14; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821F92D5BE2; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emx.nitro.dk ([127.0.1.2]) by mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id QbYRIGrSlPhY; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.24] (unknown [89.100.2.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 98B962D5BDA; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) From: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <505445FB.9020102@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:39:54 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <64F9D7B1-4D9E-4A3F-AEDB-A1F195C69CE6@FreeBSD.org> References: <505445FB.9020102@FreeBSD.org> To: Gabor Kovesdan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1486) Cc: FBSD Doc project , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: future directions of the documentation after the XML migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 07:40:00 -0000 On 15 Sep 2012, at 10:10, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > up. So I'd like to remove the following and all of their translations: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/5-roadmap/ This is historic, and people have in the past requested it be kept. = (Personally I don't care much either way.) > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/hats/ This doesn't look out of date, though does seem overkill for an article. Perhaps move to a web page under internal? As mentioned you should ask = imp@ before killing it. I suspect the article was created for a reason. > http://www.freebsd.org/smp/ That seem historic too, though it should perhaps be cleaned up. The = SMPng project was a major one in FreeBSD so I don't think we should kill = the record without good reason. > http://www.freebsd.org/y2kbug.html This should not be removed as it's linked of release announcements etc. --=20 Simon L. B. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 08:17:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CF3106564A; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:17:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (pancho.soaustin.net [76.74.250.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C368FC08; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C12B25623C; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:17:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:17:47 -0500 From: Mark Linimon To: Gabor Kovesdan Message-ID: <20120916081747.GB27859@lonesome.com> References: <505445FB.9020102@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <505445FB.9020102@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: FBSD Doc project , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: future directions of the documentation after the XML migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:17:49 -0000 I'm ambivalent about whether they should be deleted or archived intto some "historic/" subdirectory, but they don't need to be things that first-time users encounter. mcl From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 08:22:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D191065673; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from emx.nitro.dk (emx.nitro.dk [IPv6:2a01:4f8:120:7384::102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09098FC08; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312AC2D5D35; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emx.nitro.dk ([127.0.1.2]) by mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2nBd51giYV-G; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.24] (unknown [89.100.2.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7486A2D5D30; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) From: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <20120916081747.GB27859@lonesome.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 09:22:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0BEDD396-A379-4F8E-A1FD-355154041650@FreeBSD.org> References: <505445FB.9020102@FreeBSD.org> <20120916081747.GB27859@lonesome.com> To: Mark Linimon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1486) Cc: FBSD Doc project , Gabor Kovesdan , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: future directions of the documentation after the XML migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:22:04 -0000 On 16 Sep 2012, at 09:17, Mark Linimon wrote: > I'm ambivalent about whether they should be deleted or archived intto > some "historic/" subdirectory, but they don't need to be things that > first-time users encounter. At least for web pages, moving them makes them less useful as we break = links. But I agree that all historic documents should be made clearly historic = so new users don't get confused by them. --=20 Simon L. B. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 08:51:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B3D106564A; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A338FC12; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2925514E813C; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:51:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id w3AVA3W4zlJH; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:51:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C142014E810F; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:51:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5055930F.1040504@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:51:27 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" References: <505445FB.9020102@FreeBSD.org> <64F9D7B1-4D9E-4A3F-AEDB-A1F195C69CE6@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <64F9D7B1-4D9E-4A3F-AEDB-A1F195C69CE6@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FBSD Doc project , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: future directions of the documentation after the XML migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 08:51:33 -0000 Em 16-09-2012 09:39, Simon L. B. Nielsen escreveu: > On 15 Sep 2012, at 10:10, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > >> > up. So I'd like to remove the following and all of their translations: >> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/5-roadmap/ > This is historic, and people have in the past requested it be kept. (Personally I don't care much either way.) In some way or other, everything is historic and if it is a reason itself, we should never remove anything... Anyway, for historic purposes, isn't it enough that it is archived per-release as Marc pointed out? Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 10:00:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43230106564A; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:00:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from simon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from emx.nitro.dk (leto.nitro.dk [178.63.52.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86248FC08; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55832D50B9; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emx.nitro.dk ([127.0.1.2]) by mailscan.leto.nitro.dk (mailscan.leto.nitro.dk [127.0.1.4]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ps5kXXQk-fRM; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.24] (unknown [89.100.2.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by emx.nitro.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 997A02D50AE; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) From: "Simon L. B. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <5055930F.1040504@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:00:17 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9F85D168-2227-432C-A703-78B902CD1672@FreeBSD.org> References: <505445FB.9020102@FreeBSD.org> <64F9D7B1-4D9E-4A3F-AEDB-A1F195C69CE6@FreeBSD.org> <5055930F.1040504@FreeBSD.org> To: Gabor Kovesdan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1486) Cc: FBSD Doc project , "Simon L. B. Nielsen" , www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: future directions of the documentation after the XML migration X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:00:21 -0000 On 16 Sep 2012, at 09:51, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Em 16-09-2012 09:39, Simon L. B. Nielsen escreveu: >> On 15 Sep 2012, at 10:10, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: >>=20 >>>> up. So I'd like to remove the following and all of their = translations: >>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/5-roadmap/ >> This is historic, and people have in the past requested it be kept. = (Personally I don't care much either way.) >=20 > In some way or other, everything is historic and if it is a reason > itself, we should never remove anything... I think that's a bit too black and white. How to install java on FreeBSD = 4 is not worth keeping around. Keeping the records of major projects = like SMPng where it might be relevant later to see a bit about the = challenges etc. which may explain why some things are done as they are = even today, is IMO rather different. > Anyway, for historic purposes, isn't it enough that it is archived > per-release as Marc pointed out? Ah, I had forgotten about that one. Yes, for historic articles that's = fine. That said, that seems like a directory which we need to put into some = archive VCS... ah, so many TODO's :-). PS. what I forgot in my first mail on the topic: I really do appreciate = that people are trying to clean up old cruft! --=20 Simon L. B. Nielsen From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 10:06:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA729106566C; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from issyl0@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9BE8FC12; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8GA6H6H078148; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:06:17 GMT (envelope-from issyl0@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from issyl0@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q8GA6HZ4078125; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:06:17 GMT (envelope-from issyl0) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:06:17 GMT Message-Id: <201209161006.q8GA6HZ4078125@freefall.freebsd.org> To: phoffman@proper.com, issyl0@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org From: issyl0@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: www/171668: Broken link for list of mailing lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 10:06:18 -0000 Synopsis: Broken link for list of mailing lists State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: issyl0 State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 16 10:01:19 UTC 2012 State-Changed-Why: Hi, This link appears to be working again now. It not working was probably due to teething problems with the documentation recently switching formats to XML. Thanks for the report! Isabell. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=171668 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 17:00:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612D21065672 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (mx1.sbone.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:3ffc::401:25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEDB8FC08 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7EE225D3A00 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32384BE85C2 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:00:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7sKRGfDao8w for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nv.sbone.de (nv.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91131BE85AE for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:00:19 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20120812172415.GB1301@glenbarber.us> X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [Request for Review] Where to put SA texts and patches? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:00:25 -0000 On Sun, 19 Aug 2012, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On Sun, 12 Aug 2012, Glen Barber wrote: > > Hello, > > ok, here's step 2, which needs careful review by a person who > understands the docs build framework some better than I do. > >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 05:15:11PM +0000, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: >>> Hey, >>> >>> assuming I'd love to put Security Advisory texts and patches into the >>> dsvn for www access, where would they best fit? >>> >>> To be clear, I am talking about what is currently here: >>> - http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/ >>> - http://security.freebsd.org/patches/ >>> >>> Would it make sense to put it under >>> head/share/security/{advisories,patches}/ >>> so it could be shared between translations, or where would be a good >>> fit? >>> >> >> I think that suggested location makes sense. > > > This patch starts to install the the texts and patches to > data/security/{advisories,patches}/ and is custom Makefile > logic in two places. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bz/20120818-01-dsvn-security.diff based on some feedback I got back then to centralize SYMLINKS handling I also factored out hte BULKDATA stuff. The new patch (which I'd love to sommit really soon), can be found here: http://people.freebsd.org/~bz/20120916-01-dsvn-security.diff /bz -- Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 17:34:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CFD106566C for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233438FC08 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E358B14E815E; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:34:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id W9jhJTk67gmb; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:34:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60AD114E810F; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:34:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50560DA2.1040803@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:34:26 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" References: <20120812172415.GB1301@glenbarber.us> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Request for Review] Where to put SA texts and patches? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:34:23 -0000 Em 16-09-2012 19:00, Bjoern A. Zeeb escreveu: > based on some feedback I got back then to centralize SYMLINKS handling > I also factored out hte BULKDATA stuff. The new patch (which I'd love > to sommit really soon), can be found here: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bz/20120916-01-dsvn-security.diff Thanks for taking the time to refactor it, it looks much better! One more nit which I'd suggest is to make BULKDATADIR recursive by default, that is, if you set BULKDATADIR=patches, it should install patches recursively without having to manually deal with the subdirectories. I think it's the logical behavior and it would be better to hide that logic in the .mk file. Imo, it can easily be done with for cycles and find(1). Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 23:34:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490F8106566C; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:34:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mx1.sbone.de (bird.sbone.de [46.4.1.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B428FC0C; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.sbone.de (mail.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E584425D39FF; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B3BCBE85C6; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:34:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sbone.de Received: from mail.sbone.de ([IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:587]) by content-filter.sbone.de (content-filter.sbone.de [fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:2742]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yt9F0HY3QtEL; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nv.sbone.de (nv.sbone.de [IPv6:fde9:577b:c1a9:31::2013:138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.sbone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0549BE85C2; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:34:35 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" To: Gabor Kovesdan In-Reply-To: <50560DA2.1040803@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <20120812172415.GB1301@glenbarber.us> <50560DA2.1040803@FreeBSD.org> X-OpenPGP-Key-Id: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Request for Review] Where to put SA texts and patches? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:34:46 -0000 On Sun, 16 Sep 2012, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Em 16-09-2012 19:00, Bjoern A. Zeeb escreveu: >> based on some feedback I got back then to centralize SYMLINKS handling >> I also factored out hte BULKDATA stuff. The new patch (which I'd love >> to sommit really soon), can be found here: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~bz/20120916-01-dsvn-security.diff > > Thanks for taking the time to refactor it, it looks much better! One > more nit which I'd suggest is to make BULKDATADIR recursive by default, > that is, if you set BULKDATADIR=patches, it should install patches > recursively without having to manually deal with the subdirectories. I > think it's the logical behavior and it would be better to hide that > logic in the .mk file. Imo, it can easily be done with for cycles and > find(1). Something like this? http://people.freebsd.org/~bz/20120916-02-dsvn-security.diff -- Bjoern A. Zeeb You have to have visions! Stop bit received. Insert coin for new address family. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 07:58:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358BB106566C for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:58:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62FC8FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2C314E8165; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:58:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id BtkC20F0iSQK; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:58:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E196D14E8164; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:58:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5056D828.2030502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:58:32 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" References: <20120812172415.GB1301@glenbarber.us> <50560DA2.1040803@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Request for Review] Where to put SA texts and patches? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:58:37 -0000 Em 17-09-2012 01:34, Bjoern A. Zeeb escreveu: > Something like this? > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bz/20120916-02-dsvn-security.diff Looks very nice and clean, thanks for the effort! You can commit it with my approval. Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 08:16:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21744106564A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@mlwe177.servidoresdns.net) Received: from mlwe177.servidoresdns.net (mlwe177.servidoresdns.net [82.223.148.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50168FC08 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mlwe177.servidoresdns.net (Postfix, from userid 48) id E6FCB2453BD; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:40:59 +0200 (CEST) To: www@freebsd.org From: electronics store MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20120917073926.E6FCB2453BD@mlwe177.servidoresdns.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:40:59 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Quote request X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: electronicstore777@gmx.us List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 08:16:27 -0000 Good day, We would like to inquire if you have in stock or can special order any of the item described below, SOLAR PRODUCTS 1: SOLAR CHARGE CONTROLLER, Xantrex C-35amps charge controller ,Xantrex C-40amps charge controller, Xantrex C-60amps charge controller,MorningStar TriStar TS-60 Amp, TS-35 Amp 2: Grundfos SQ Flex 11 SQF -2 Submersible pump (part no 95027335) 3: 180watt or 235watt solar panel. 4: Shurflo Pumps ( Model 9325-043-101)9300 Submersible Pump 5: DC-AC POWER INVERTER 3000Watts - 5000Watts and it should be in 12vdc to 220/230/240vac HP TONER 1: HP C9731A (31A) OEM cyan 2: HP C9732A (32A) OEM yellow 3: HP C9730A (30A) OEM black 4: HP Designjet 130 Printer (HP part: C7791C#A2L) What are the type of payment your company accept when purchased from you. Regards, Bob Gaskie. ELECTRICAL ELECTRONICS STORE 7475 Charmant Drive; San Diego,CA, 92122-5000 619-489-7393 electronicstore777@gmx.us From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 10:52:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02771065673 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@mlwe177.servidoresdns.net) Received: from mlwe177.servidoresdns.net (mlwe177.servidoresdns.net [82.223.148.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7588FC12 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mlwe177.servidoresdns.net (Postfix, from userid 48) id CBE0316AC6F; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:39:39 +0200 (CEST) To: www@freebsd.org From: electronics store MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20120917102454.CBE0316AC6F@mlwe177.servidoresdns.net> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:39:39 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Quote request X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: electronicstore777@gmx.us List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 10:52:57 -0000 Good day, We would like to inquire if you have in stock or can special order any of the item described below, SOLAR PRODUCTS 1: SOLAR CHARGE CONTROLLER, Xantrex C-35amps charge controller ,Xantrex C-40amps charge controller, Xantrex C-60amps charge controller,MorningStar TriStar TS-60 Amp, TS-35 Amp 2: Grundfos SQ Flex 11 SQF -2 Submersible pump (part no 95027335) 3: 180watt or 235watt solar panel. 4: Shurflo Pumps ( Model 9325-043-101)9300 Submersible Pump 5: DC-AC POWER INVERTER 3000Watts - 5000Watts and it should be in 12vdc to 220/230/240vac HP TONER 1: HP C9731A (31A) OEM cyan 2: HP C9732A (32A) OEM yellow 3: HP C9730A (30A) OEM black 4: HP Designjet 130 Printer (HP part: C7791C#A2L) What are the type of payment your company accept when purchased from you. Regards, Bob Gaskie. ELECTRICAL ELECTRONICS STORE 7475 Charmant Drive; San Diego,CA, 92122-5000 619-489-7393 electronicstore777@gmx.us From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 11:07:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B63106568A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:07:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230B38FC20 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q8HB7K6f004639 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:07:20 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q8HB7JrW004637 for freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:07:19 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:07:19 GMT Message-Id: <201209171107.q8HB7JrW004637@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:07:20 -0000 Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o www/171578 www Company not listed on comercial page o www/166496 www HP-UX manual pages are mangled o www/161174 www Make http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/search.cgi search GNAT o www/159291 www Error 404 - when I try to send-pr over freebsd.org/es/ s www/157076 www freebsd-wireless mailing list not shown on web All Lis o www/149446 www [patch] improve misleading title of "report a bug" f www/146089 www On www.freebsd.org some IPv6 mirror sites do not work o www/145917 www SVG at logo.html is broken s www/140580 www svnweb file logs are useless s www/129923 www Need stylesheet for FreeBSD Subversion DAV tree s www/111791 www FreeBSD website messes up while using "links" browser s www/103522 www Search interface oddity s www/73551 www [request] fix list archive 'quoted-printable' corrupti s www/51135 www Problems with the mailing-lists search interface 14 problems total. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 18 08:08:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB561065676 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:08:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5B68FC0A for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8192414E8171 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:08:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yqZsNGV2DI3b for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:08:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F1EB14E809F for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:08:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <50582BFE.5040202@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:08:30 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: RFC: htdocs/multimedia improvements X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:08:45 -0000 Hi, I've heard complaints from other doc developers about the multimedia section because of the build process and I'm not very satisfied with the current solution either. It takes lots of time to build and if you run make all in htdocs/ it is always built whether there is any change in the corresponding files or not. Besides, the build process is quite messy. It is generated with an ad-hoc perl scripts and probably noone knows how it exactly work except the original author. My proposed improvement uses much simpler XSLT stylesheets to generate the output and they don't any more generate per-tag and per-source pages but a single page with tags that contains the tag cloud and per-tag sections and a single page for sources that contains a source list and per-source sections. In this way we can eliminate generating and installing gazillions of files. I estimate that this approach is fine, since the number of multimedia items aren't growing quickly and even if they grow, it's quite common that older items become unavailable or simply outdated. And nowadays the bandwidth isn't such a bottleneck any more as it used to be. But in case we need per-tag and per-source pages, now it is much easier to modify the XSLT templates to do that. And this solution drastically reduces the build time and files are only rebuilt if there's a change in the source files. The patch is here: kovesdan.org/patches/multimedia.diff And here's a rendered version: http://kovesdan.org/webtest/data/multimedia/multimedia.html Gabor From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 20 09:32:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31540106567B for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:32:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@FreeBSD.org) Received: from andxor.it (relay.andxor.it [195.223.2.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7F698FC12 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 74466 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2012 09:32:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alex.andxor.it) (192.168.2.30) by andxor.it with SMTP; 20 Sep 2012 09:32:51 -0000 Message-ID: <505AE2C3.9040303@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:32:51 +0200 From: Alex Dupre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120912 Firefox/15.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabor Kovesdan References: <50582BFE.5040202@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <50582BFE.5040202@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: htdocs/multimedia improvements X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:32:53 -0000 Gabor Kovesdan ha scritto: > And here's a rendered version: > http://kovesdan.org/webtest/data/multimedia/multimedia.html There's a problem with tags that are splitted into multiple lines. For the rest it's ok. -- Alex Dupre From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 20 09:39:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E4D106564A; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [87.229.73.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4788FC0A; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.mypc.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BED214E8201; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:39:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at server.mypc.hu Received: from server.mypc.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by server.mypc.hu (server.mypc.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id iqSVAqYRrQR6; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (D94162B4.catv.pool.telekom.hu [217.65.98.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.mypc.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B127114E81AD; Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <505AE457.8060207@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:39:35 +0200 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Dupre References: <50582BFE.5040202@FreeBSD.org> <505AE2C3.9040303@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <505AE2C3.9040303@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: htdocs/multimedia improvements X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:39:39 -0000 Em 20-09-2012 11:32, Alex Dupre escreveu: >> And here's a rendered version: >> > http://kovesdan.org/webtest/data/multimedia/multimedia.html > There's a problem with tags that are splitted into multiple lines. For > the rest it's ok. Do you mean they shouldn't be broken? I've fixed it now. Gabor